Speaker 1: Interesting peace out today from Sports Media Watch, discussing the
Speaker 1: declining TV ratings up pretty much every sport across the board,
Speaker 1: including the NFL. But some important contexts we'll get to
Speaker 1: because we talked a lot about being an NBA market.
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about the massive decline in NBA
Speaker 1: ratings and what it means, and from a local standpoint,
Speaker 1: I don't blame you for not watching this basketball team,
Speaker 1: believe me. But a lot of inside here I want
Speaker 1: to get to. We're gonna bring in Andy Larson coming
Speaker 1: up in a bit. We'll do some hockey today with
Speaker 1: Neil Smith, but we'll start things off with some college football.
Speaker 1: I never know where our next guest is, so I
Speaker 1: just asked him straight up, Dave Bartwo, where are you
Speaker 1: right now? And what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Shute? I'm I'm in the kitchen right now.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: It's it's Christmas cookie time. It's go time. So Bone
Speaker 2: is on speaker and uh it's it's a week full
Speaker 2: of Christmas cookies for the family and in coaching carousel.
Speaker 1: So are you yourself making these cookies? Of course that's
Speaker 1: the question.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I My wife's at
Speaker 2: work right now. So this is a I get a few,
Speaker 2: but we end up between her and me. There's about
Speaker 2: I think the list. It's like a draft board, dude.
Speaker 2: It's like fifteen different kinds of cookies and five dozen
Speaker 2: of each and they go everywhere. Even some of my
Speaker 2: head coach clients like, hey, can I get a box
Speaker 2: to those? We'll get out at as well. Well. That
Speaker 2: was been a long time credition and baking a lot
Speaker 2: of cookies in tow coming the same of year.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, very cool, Dave, very cool. Since it's been
Speaker 1: a minute since you and I last spoke, Dave, our
Speaker 1: college football situation in Salt Lake did not go the
Speaker 1: way we thought it would. As the University of Utah
Speaker 1: was the favorite to win the Big Twelve in Vegas,
Speaker 1: they were picked by the media to win the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve and stumbled this year. There were two and seven
Speaker 1: conference record five and seven overall. Let's start from a
Speaker 1: thirty thousand foot view as a guy that likes coach
Speaker 1: win an awful lot, how stunder you at where we
Speaker 1: find ourselves with Utah football after year one of the
Speaker 1: Big Twelve.
Speaker 3: Oh that was a stinker, wasn't it? Stumbled a Latin
Speaker 3: for something way worse than what I call stumble. Right, Hey,
Speaker 3: you know something is it's college football? Why we play
Speaker 3: the games?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I mean seriously, you know it's it's it's terrible when
Speaker 2: you're on the bad end of it, you know, like this,
Speaker 2: But you know with with the college rollercoaster, you know
Speaker 2: it is hammer to stay on top every single time.
Speaker 2: And what causes a clatchism as lands like this, I
Speaker 2: have no idea, right, nobody could have seen us coming.
Speaker 2: So you just hit the research button, right, is it
Speaker 2: a city, Is it still a very very good program, yes?
Speaker 2: Is it still well coached?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And I just see this as a giant anomaly on
Speaker 2: Watingham's career. But these things happen and I can't explain it.
Speaker 2: All we can do is look forward and go, Okay,
Speaker 2: what's the schedule next year? What talent do we have?
Speaker 2: Are we making any coaching changes? And are those guys
Speaker 2: any good coming in?
Speaker 1: And the answer to that as far as the coaching
Speaker 1: changes is yes. And we'll get to the new offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator in a moment. But the biggest piece of news
Speaker 1: is that coach went is back. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: a ton of conjecture conversation rumor that this was it
Speaker 1: for Kyle, and I have no idea whether or not
Speaker 1: the underwhelming nature of this season added his desire to
Speaker 1: come back. But you know, for our listeners that don't know,
Speaker 1: your main gig with college football really does involve coaches,
Speaker 1: and you've always been very high on coach with and
Speaker 1: just wanted to get your thoughts on Kyle coming back
Speaker 1: for your twenty one Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's for those of the you know
Speaker 2: listening out there that don't know what I do for
Speaker 2: a paycheck. We do analytics and recruiting and staff building
Speaker 2: for college football NFL, FCS, UFL. We simply try to
Speaker 2: reduce rifts and talent acquisition, performance and pay So when
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Kyle Whittingham or Alley or Beck or
Speaker 2: any of these guys, it is through the eyes of
Speaker 2: their performance relative to all their other peers. So with
Speaker 2: with coming back, I don't know, you know, if they're
Speaker 2: Borgan had taken over, I'd be like, Okay, we're turning
Speaker 2: over the new leave or he gets to start at
Speaker 2: the bottom, so expectations are low. So you know, either way,
Speaker 2: I think you win as a program and as a
Speaker 2: coaching staff. I'd probably like to have Kyle come back.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want him to leave on that note. I'm
Speaker 2: sure he doesn't want to leave on that note. So
Speaker 2: having that stability and coaching continuity in the program, I
Speaker 2: can't see it. It's not going to do anything but help.
Speaker 1: And ultimately to your point, if coach with left and
Speaker 1: they elevated Morgan, which is the plan, Morgan will take over,
Speaker 1: they would have replaced every single major coach offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: head coach, defensive coordinator. So with Kyle coming back, you
Speaker 1: do avoid that. But what are your thoughts? And I've
Speaker 1: asked you before, but radio is not linear, Dave. As
Speaker 1: you know, on this succession plan in place, after Kyle
Speaker 1: steps aside, Morgan slides over a seat and he will
Speaker 1: be the guy whatever that time comes.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, when it comes to head coaching changes,
Speaker 2: a lot of it is just timing. It's like the draft,
Speaker 2: do you get lucky or not? Who's available when it
Speaker 2: comes up. And when it comes down to coaching hires,
Speaker 2: there's from from our standpoint, we like reduce the risks, right,
Speaker 2: and so if we had a toy, we would like
Speaker 2: our ads to hire a proven head coach that has
Speaker 2: done well somewhere so that we have the numbers on him.
Speaker 2: But if you're not going to go that direction, then
Speaker 2: give me a guy with an elite ceiling offense defense.
Speaker 2: I don't care, right, I mean, look at our playoffs
Speaker 2: in my scoring efficiency nine of the top twelve and
Speaker 2: defensive scoring efficiency here in the brackets. This defensive football
Speaker 2: is going to win this title. And sudden a lot
Speaker 2: of people get caught up in that, well, we need
Speaker 2: the elite offensive coordinator. Say you don't. You need to
Speaker 2: google an elite coordinator, period. And so Morgan has obviously
Speaker 2: proved time and time again he has an elite ceiling defensively,
Speaker 2: so when he comes in you would expect the defense
Speaker 2: to be able to continue under his tutelage. The big
Speaker 2: question mark is going to be the offense. And after
Speaker 2: this year, well, everybody's gonna look.
Speaker 1: Good next year for sure. For sure. That does lead
Speaker 1: me to actually, you know what, let's start here, Dave,
Speaker 1: because last year, you know, nothing was going well and
Speaker 1: you can certainly be as reductive as saying it had.
Speaker 1: It all had to do with the lack of health
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position and yet another catastrophic injury to
Speaker 1: Cameron Rising. But Andy Ludwig is the one who fell
Speaker 1: on the sword, and I didn't think it was all
Speaker 1: that fair Mike. But Jakian takes over the play calling situation,
Speaker 1: and Mike, when he had his first media availability himself, said,
Speaker 1: this is Andy Ludwig's system. I'm just calling the plays.
Speaker 1: And so for me it's like, well, what is Mike
Speaker 1: and be able to do that Andy couldn't do in
Speaker 1: his own system? And the answer turned out to be nothing.
Speaker 1: But so give me, give me your thoughts on the
Speaker 1: decision to move on from Andy before we get to
Speaker 1: the new offensive coordinator, and your thoughts there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean it's uh, it's like that
Speaker 2: in national presidency end, somebody's got to go to prison, yep. Right,
Speaker 2: when you got a bad offense, you got a bad defense,
Speaker 2: somebody's got to get fired. Right. We got to have
Speaker 2: a blood lighting, We've got to have human sacrifice to
Speaker 2: appease the boosters and the fans. And that was Andy right,
Speaker 2: and there was there was no doubt about it from
Speaker 2: an offensive standpoint. Easily one of the bottom five in
Speaker 2: the entire country. Powerful wife this year, but overall for
Speaker 2: his career, I would still take Andy instead of Mike, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, if we if we were starting from scratch,
Speaker 2: he said, Okay, Dave, you got to pick offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: These are the two guys. I will take Andy over Mike.
Speaker 2: But you know that being said, there was no fixing
Speaker 2: it this year, and again going back to when things
Speaker 2: start to tumble, there's no rhyme or rean for it.
Speaker 2: It was probably more emotional and injury and psychologically driven
Speaker 2: than anything. You know. Now Andy's gone, pays his turner,
Speaker 2: and then you got a new guy comment.
Speaker 1: So that leads me to giving you know, giving you
Speaker 1: the space for our listeners to give us your thoughts
Speaker 1: on Jason Beck. According to reports, Dave this was kind
Speaker 1: of the third option for Utah. First went to Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: second went to Texas Tech. Third landed here in Salt Lake.
Speaker 1: He's a former b YU player, brings his quarterback with
Speaker 1: him and Devin Dampierre. So what's the Dave Bart to
Speaker 1: take on this new o c QB duo for Utah football. Oh?
Speaker 2: We like the risk, right, Like I talked about before,
Speaker 2: performance risks, salary risks. You know, what's the upside on
Speaker 2: this guy? So he's only been home place for two years.
Speaker 2: So in our system he's not fully graded up. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's got to have four years, but in our system
Speaker 2: he has labeled the rising star. He has one of
Speaker 2: the top five second year offensive four leaders in all
Speaker 2: college football. So bringing that with him plus his quarterback,
Speaker 2: you and I both know, we all know it's quarterback driven.
Speaker 2: You know, the league above and the league below, everything
Speaker 2: runs through that quarterback. So the fact that you have
Speaker 2: both guys is solid. But getting back I think that
Speaker 2: was a that is a really good risk. We still
Speaker 2: don't know what the downside is to him because both
Speaker 2: of the years have been progressive. He is he has
Speaker 2: a high archy, high ceiling kind of guy. The question
Speaker 2: is when he hits that four, when he has the
Speaker 2: bad year, we still don't know. That's kind of the risk.
Speaker 2: How far down.
Speaker 1: Will it go?
Speaker 2: But overall, I think the risk is pretty solid for Utah.
Speaker 1: What does your model and your experience say about, you know,
Speaker 1: the the sometimes difficult jump from you know, the G
Speaker 1: five situation of the P four situation a school like
Speaker 1: New Mexico to a school like Utah from a play
Speaker 1: caller and a quarterback standpoint, Because that's what Utah's banking
Speaker 1: on New Mexico was the four ranked offense in college
Speaker 1: football last year as far as yardage per game goes,
Speaker 1: but it was in a sorry lesser conference. Now the
Speaker 1: competition's better. What are some of the key dynamics, the
Speaker 1: secret sauce that make coaches and quarterbacks that make this
Speaker 1: jump successful next level?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and I agree with you. That's why
Speaker 2: it's always risk, right. We don't know what he's going
Speaker 2: to be able to do in the Big twelve relative
Speaker 2: to what he did in New Mexico. I always try
Speaker 2: to gravitate towards what did he do relative to the
Speaker 2: defense as he faced, right, relative to the talent that
Speaker 2: he had faced overall, And so at New Mexico, Beck's
Speaker 2: forty fourth in defense of dusted counts in terms of
Speaker 2: what he did out there. So I know, like, like
Speaker 2: you said, the yards are huge, but when you look
Speaker 2: at the scoring relative to the defense, I would say
Speaker 2: it's a little bit lower. But yes, it's New Mexico.
Speaker 2: You're talking bottom ten talent, put a finally in the country.
Speaker 2: Anything done at New Mexico should be you know, the
Speaker 2: should He should be really happy about that. So we
Speaker 2: don't have an exact number to say this guy at
Speaker 2: this level is now going to produce this. At this level,
Speaker 2: he may be better at Utah. He may be better
Speaker 2: because he has better players and a better offensive line
Speaker 2: and better running back. I don't think you can simply
Speaker 2: say just because he did at New Mexico it automatically
Speaker 2: transferred to a certain level at Utah. I think you
Speaker 2: have to take a risk on what he has done
Speaker 2: relative to the talent, and for two years at New
Speaker 2: Mexico he has drastically elevated that offense. It may not
Speaker 2: be elite numbers, but folks, look at where New Mexico
Speaker 2: was before he got there, and look what he did
Speaker 2: for two years. And then the big thing to look
Speaker 2: at is this is what we always do in the data.
Speaker 2: We'll look at New Mexico you next year and see
Speaker 2: where it goes. That's going to be part of our
Speaker 2: evaluation too, is how much impact did he have before, during,
Speaker 2: and afters.
Speaker 1: So there's been quite a bit of coaching news in
Speaker 1: the state. Dave and Bronco Menenhall once upon a time
Speaker 1: was tasked with turning Brigham Young around, and he did.
Speaker 1: He was tasked with turning Uva around, and he did,
Speaker 1: and he didn't stick in New Mexico for very long,
Speaker 1: but did a pretty good job down there. So it's
Speaker 1: been a chaotic year year and a half up in
Speaker 1: Logan for Utah staying in that football program. As Blake
Speaker 1: I Anderson lost his job, Nate Driling, he was hired
Speaker 1: as the defensive coordinator, took over as the head coach,
Speaker 1: and he kind of felt bad for Nate because he's
Speaker 1: a brad young guy, but he had no shots to
Speaker 1: do anything this year. Bronco Menenhall is now being asked
Speaker 1: to do in Logan what he did in Provo and
Speaker 1: what he did in Virginia. What's the Dave Bartwo take
Speaker 1: on Bronco Menenhall to Utah State.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great day. Hire, you know Blanco
Speaker 2: and our system. Breen a half star head coach. Like
Speaker 2: you said, he was solid at BYU. He was about
Speaker 2: plus one game of year. So whatever you fell up
Speaker 2: your talent, would you know be in six and sixty
Speaker 2: was a seven and five guys seven and five, he's
Speaker 2: a eighty four guy. So he coached above the talent
Speaker 2: at all the stops. Even in New Mexico. He turned
Speaker 2: it around. Really well in one year. So from a
Speaker 2: safety's standpoint, I like the risk. For the athletic director.
Speaker 2: I liked it for the program. He's a veteran and
Speaker 2: that program needs obviously some retooling because this was a
Speaker 2: lost year entirely. So I think it was probably probably
Speaker 2: best risk available. You know, when you account for everything,
Speaker 2: who you could get, the money you could pay, the
Speaker 2: quality of guys, the situation of the program, and this
Speaker 2: program has produced some wonderful seasons in the past years.
Speaker 2: You know, it is elevated a lot of guys, So
Speaker 2: the potential of the program, all of that, and all
Speaker 2: of that, I think the AD made a fantastic higher
Speaker 2: in terms of best available overall guys, of the situations.
Speaker 1: So the irony of where we found ourselves, Dave here
Speaker 1: in the state is that everything that we thought Utah
Speaker 1: would be this year BYU turned out be to be
Speaker 1: that team. You know, they put themselves really in the
Speaker 1: mix to win the Big Twelve. At one point after
Speaker 1: that nine to zero start, they were the favorite to
Speaker 1: win the Big Twelve, but they stumbled down the stretch,
Speaker 1: losing two of three. Still a really good year ten
Speaker 1: and two overall, seven and two in conference, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna get out the Alamo Bowl. Colorado is the opponent.
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be one of the more intriguing
Speaker 1: non CFP bowl games. But you a number of years
Speaker 1: ago on this show were really high on Kilani before
Speaker 1: a lot of people were high on him the way
Speaker 1: that they are now. And you know, given time you've
Speaker 1: proven to be correct. What do you make of what
Speaker 1: you saw down in Provo with BYU having the season
Speaker 1: that Utah thought they would have.
Speaker 2: I remember the pre season, I was on the I
Speaker 2: was on the radio BYU Radio, and there was people
Speaker 2: that were there was a lot of BYU fansy and
Speaker 2: we need to retool the staff. And I'm like, you
Speaker 2: guys are a bunch of you know, this is a
Speaker 2: this is a top thirty staff in college football. You
Speaker 2: are not getting any better than this at YU, You're not.
Speaker 2: And you're in a coach's conference. So the entire situation
Speaker 2: for BYU I felt the one end of this year. Now,
Speaker 2: did I expect them to win ten games? Oh? Have no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no no. But I expected them to be two
Speaker 2: to three games above their win total expectation. I expected
Speaker 2: an eight win team, maybe at nine win team, not
Speaker 2: what they did, but that staff is also very very good,
Speaker 2: and so again a little bit surprised what happened. But
Speaker 2: then if you look at the whole Big Twelve, most
Speaker 2: of it revolved around coaching. You had excellent coaching at
Speaker 2: Colorado surprising. I mean, I don't know how much it
Speaker 2: was coaching, because their standards made Pat Turmany look good
Speaker 2: and so he could just get the highpend for that alone.
Speaker 2: Nobody's ever done that. And you're good coaching at State State.
Speaker 2: You had surprising coaching at Arizona State. So you know,
Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned by you, is sitting just
Speaker 2: fine and going in the same direction.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the way Kenny dilling Ham
Speaker 1: has been able to turn things down around there after
Speaker 1: herm Edwards left him as led Zeppelin after party type mess.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty impressive in just a couple of
Speaker 1: seasons to see ASU and the CFP representing the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: I've never asked you about Kenny. What do you think, Dave?
Speaker 2: It's surreal to me, you know, because well if you
Speaker 2: had asked me about Kenny before it was you know,
Speaker 2: when he got hired obviously, He's got no head coaching experience,
Speaker 2: so I don't have a feel on him. He put
Speaker 2: up one elite year as an offensive coordinator at Oregon,
Speaker 2: so you have an asterisk there. He came into Arizona
Speaker 2: State pretty depleted on tenalent. The defensive coordinator Brian Ward,
Speaker 2: three and a half star guy, nothing special there. He
Speaker 2: brings in Marcus of Royo two and a half star guys,
Speaker 2: certainly nothing special there, and it all came together, so
Speaker 2: he must be a phenomenal culture guyhow maybe they just
Speaker 2: caught lightly in the bottle. I don't think we should
Speaker 2: get too far over her skis, but celebrate the year
Speaker 2: in general. I think my biggest takeaway right now is
Speaker 2: when I see something like this, a team winning so
Speaker 2: far above expectations, having the offense performing where it's at,
Speaker 2: having an offensive coordinator with the career Grady has Stam
Speaker 2: eleven should be being called by every NFL agent right
Speaker 2: now because that guy drove over the bus.
Speaker 1: Yeah he did. Let's stick in the conference. Another quarterback coach, Comba,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about and I honestly
Speaker 1: don't recall what you told me about Dion when the
Speaker 1: hire was made and maybe because there wasn't a ton
Speaker 1: of P four data, you weren't sure how that was
Speaker 1: going to go. And look, of course, the Dean effect
Speaker 1: is a real thing. We all have experienced it both
Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve and the Big twelve here in
Speaker 1: Salt Lake, And ultimately, I think there were questions early on,
Speaker 1: but I think it's really time to hit your cap
Speaker 1: to what Dion Sanders has done in Boulder over the
Speaker 1: course of just a couple of short seasons, turning a
Speaker 1: program that was irrelevant into something that most people pay
Speaker 1: attention to, whether you love it or not with the
Speaker 1: landscape of college football, and also looks like his boy
Speaker 1: is going to be the number one pick in the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. So the Dave Bars, you take on the
Speaker 1: quarterback coaching combo and Boulder Dion and Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2: Again, it's like it's like Arizona State. It's amazing. Now.
Speaker 2: Dion coming out of Jackson State, we had him at
Speaker 2: a three and a half star grade. He'd only been
Speaker 2: there two years, so we had him as a rising
Speaker 2: star head coach. So he was good at staffing, pretty
Speaker 2: good staffing. He was very good at results, and one
Speaker 2: of my big questions is how much of this is
Speaker 2: should go griven right. I think we all have that question.
Speaker 2: Is is this going to be replicable next year without
Speaker 2: that quarterback? Probably not because Sumer is not a good
Speaker 2: offensive four dator. You know, if you look at his
Speaker 2: history in the NFL, I have him in the bottom
Speaker 2: twenty of all his offensive coordinators since two thousand. So
Speaker 2: it wasn't that. I think it was quarterback driven. I
Speaker 2: think the one big mystery and the amazing hire that
Speaker 2: nobody talks about because it's always Standards, it's always Hunter,
Speaker 2: it's always Prime, it's our defensive coordinator, Livingston. He'd never
Speaker 2: been a defensive coordinator before, he wasn't in our system.
Speaker 2: Then he put up a top twenty scoring efficiency defense
Speaker 2: this year. While everybody focuses on everything else. That was
Speaker 2: the single most amazing, unpredictable part of Colorado. We knew
Speaker 2: what Prime would do, We knew what s Do would do.
Speaker 2: You no idea the defense would do what it did.
Speaker 2: And living Ston, for everybody out there that don't know
Speaker 2: who he is, just go little circle around that guy,
Speaker 2: because the data is saying this guy could be really good.
Speaker 2: If you can sweep up this art.
Speaker 1: I continue to chuckle. What I reminded that the most
Speaker 1: popular preseason Big Twelve Championship game pick was Utah or
Speaker 1: Oklahoma States, and the two teams combined to go two
Speaker 1: and sixteen in conference. What happened with Mike Gundy? He
Speaker 1: is coming back? They did not win a conference game,
Speaker 1: and they never lose at home, and they couldn't win
Speaker 1: it home this year? How did it go so wrong?
Speaker 1: Dave and stillwater to me?
Speaker 2: And well, who knows what the external intangible effects were?
Speaker 2: But I don't know if I said it on a
Speaker 2: miss Joe, but I said it on every single that
Speaker 2: I went on talking about Oklahoma State in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: That was the by far the worst offensive defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: pairing in the Big Twelve. To start seat by law,
Speaker 2: Dunlan and Nardo were both bottom ten coordinators in the FBS.
Speaker 2: I'm talking UMass, Akron, Matt Teams, Jacksonville State, you name it,
Speaker 2: bottom ten on both of them. So Gundy has even
Speaker 2: when he was top twenty, I think, weren't they like
Speaker 2: nine and three and top twenty five two years ago?
Speaker 2: It would still if you look at the numbers, dude
Speaker 2: built Oh did he do that? They were not good
Speaker 2: on offense, they were not good on defense. So they
Speaker 2: must have want a ton of one score games in
Speaker 2: the final seconds, a ton of them. And so I
Speaker 2: think it was kind of a fault positive that we
Speaker 2: saw in twenty twenty three. Twenty twenty four showed us
Speaker 2: exactly what that staff was, which is the worst staff
Speaker 2: in the Big Clowes. So that one was zero surprise
Speaker 2: at all, other than losing so many games by Gundhy.
Speaker 2: But from a staff standpoint, no shock here.
Speaker 1: So I know you don't have a lot of data
Speaker 1: on the Let me check the name here. The new
Speaker 1: North Carolina head coach. Not a college guy. I'm not
Speaker 1: really we don't know much about him, Bill Belichick to
Speaker 1: college football. I've got a couple of things here. How
Speaker 1: do you think this works? And is this the beginning
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say an accident, but the beginning
Speaker 1: of a trend because of the model now moving towards
Speaker 1: a professional model inevitably, whether you like it or not.
Speaker 1: Do you think we'll see other I don't know, former
Speaker 1: NFL guys taking college jobs. And what do you make
Speaker 1: of Belichick to Carolina?
Speaker 2: We might get we might see former NFL guys going
Speaker 2: into college. But the first thing is the NFL has
Speaker 2: got to turn that former guy down at all of
Speaker 2: his job try you know, all of the interviews he did,
Speaker 2: and believe me, North Carolina was not the only team
Speaker 2: he tried to pitch his four hundred page manifesto too.
Speaker 2: There was a bunch of people that was thrown at,
Speaker 2: and even at North Carolina getting the ad didn't even
Speaker 2: want it. You want to done some rom and Chairman
Speaker 2: Bard of the trustees got sold on the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And that's where we're at. So my concern is not
Speaker 2: everybody in North Carolina's on board with this idea, and
Speaker 2: if everybody is not in support of an idea, it
Speaker 2: will never be maximized. So I don't positive negative. I
Speaker 2: mean it's going to bring a ton of attention to
Speaker 2: the brand and bring a ton of attents to the program.
Speaker 2: Bill all he's got to do is go find one
Speaker 2: hundred at the basketball school. I mean, obviously they let
Speaker 2: Max sit there, lose a jillion games over the last
Speaker 2: half decade, didn't care about it. It is worried about
Speaker 2: basketball teams and so it's a great place to experiment.
Speaker 2: But as far as trying to prognosticate what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: I think that it was really difficult. I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to see more of the staffing as well.
Speaker 1: Gus Melzhon bounces for FSU. Scott Frost is back at
Speaker 1: UCF and he taps Alex Grinch to be his DC,
Speaker 1: a sentence that I didn't think i'd be able to say. Ever, again,
Speaker 1: how does our guy continue to keep a job? I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, go support your family. Congratulations on
Speaker 1: the gig. But from my uneducated I dave the Alex
Speaker 1: Grinch experiments, you know, experience on defense doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be very beneficial for the team who employs him. But
Speaker 1: what do you make of that higher came down yesterday?
Speaker 2: I'm I'm shocked, flat out shocked for reasons I can't
Speaker 2: even tell you why. I'm out shocked that that was
Speaker 2: the decision. But Alex Brinch, look, like I said, in
Speaker 2: our database, we have every coach in twenty ten in
Speaker 2: our database. We have over eleven hundred defensive coordinators in
Speaker 2: our database. Alex Grinch is five hundred and twenty first,
Speaker 2: five hundred and twenty first. His real market value is
Speaker 2: three hundred and nine thousand a year in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: He is the worst defensive coordinator in the Big twelve
Speaker 2: right now, basically replacing Nardo at Oklahoma State. He's probably
Speaker 2: going to get paid three times his value. I got
Speaker 2: nothing on that one. I have no idea other than
Speaker 2: Scott Now Alex must be really good.
Speaker 1: Buddies relationship business. Last one, Michael Vick is going to
Speaker 1: try his hand a coaching in Norfolk State. What do
Speaker 1: you what do you make out of this? Good look?
Speaker 2: Oh? You know something I'm not going to do because
Speaker 2: when Dion went to Jackson State, I poo pooed the
Speaker 2: heck out of it. I'm like, no way, not going
Speaker 2: to work not at stenance that guy. No, you know,
Speaker 2: And again with no data, I start popping off and
Speaker 2: sound stupid. So I'm not going to pop off about
Speaker 2: Michael Vick. Let's just see what he can recruit, Let's
Speaker 2: see how he staffs, see what happens there. But the
Speaker 2: cool thing is we're talking about it, right and so
Speaker 2: I think that's the best benefit that he brings right now.
Speaker 2: Is it just it's a good conversation and we'll just
Speaker 2: have to see where it goes. Because Deon todd up.
Speaker 2: Let's not be too judgmental about NFL superstars trying to
Speaker 2: be head coaches, no doubt.
Speaker 1: All right, Dave, I'll let you get back to making
Speaker 1: those cookies. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Happy holidays, have a good one.
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks Spencher taking these man.
Speaker 1: Dave bar two. The College Football Matrix does a really
Speaker 1: good job analyzing college football coaching staff. Does a lot
Speaker 1: on the recruiting side as well. At CFP Matrixes where
Speaker 1: you find him, it looks like he's cooking, baking, pardon me,
Speaker 1: baking coffee cakes and chocolate chip cookies right now for
Speaker 1: all of his clients. So appreciate Dave's time.