WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:05.160 Interesting peace out today from Sports Media Watch, discussing the 2 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:09.160 declining TV ratings up pretty much every sport across the board, 3 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:13.160 including the NFL. But some important contexts we'll get to 4 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:15.519 because we talked a lot about being an NBA market. 5 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:18.600 We've talked a lot about the massive decline in NBA 6 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:22.000 ratings and what it means, and from a local standpoint, 7 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:24.960 I don't blame you for not watching this basketball team, 8 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.839 believe me. But a lot of inside here I want 9 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:30.280 to get to. We're gonna bring in Andy Larson coming 10 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:31.839 up in a bit. We'll do some hockey today with 11 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:34.880 Neil Smith, but we'll start things off with some college football. 12 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:37.640 I never know where our next guest is, so I 13 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:40.119 just asked him straight up, Dave Bartwo, where are you 14 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:41.280 right now? And what are you doing? 15 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:43.759 Shute? I'm I'm in the kitchen right now. 16 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:44.000 Man. 17 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:48.079 It's it's Christmas cookie time. It's go time. So Bone 18 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:53.079 is on speaker and uh it's it's a week full 19 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:56.240 of Christmas cookies for the family and in coaching carousel. 20 00:00:57.039 --> 00:00:59.520 So are you yourself making these cookies? Of course that's 21 00:00:59.560 --> 00:00:59.960 the question. 22 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:04.680 Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I My wife's at 23 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:09.040 work right now. So this is a I get a few, 24 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:11.719 but we end up between her and me. There's about 25 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:13.879 I think the list. It's like a draft board, dude. 26 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:16.599 It's like fifteen different kinds of cookies and five dozen 27 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:19.640 of each and they go everywhere. Even some of my 28 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:21.760 head coach clients like, hey, can I get a box 29 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:24.439 to those? We'll get out at as well. Well. That 30 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:27.079 was been a long time credition and baking a lot 31 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:28.719 of cookies in tow coming the same of year. 32 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:32.480 Okay, okay, very cool, Dave, very cool. Since it's been 33 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:35.680 a minute since you and I last spoke, Dave, our 34 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:38.719 college football situation in Salt Lake did not go the 35 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:41.599 way we thought it would. As the University of Utah 36 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:44.040 was the favorite to win the Big Twelve in Vegas, 37 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.799 they were picked by the media to win the Big 38 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.480 Twelve and stumbled this year. There were two and seven 39 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:52.640 conference record five and seven overall. Let's start from a 40 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:55.159 thirty thousand foot view as a guy that likes coach 41 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.200 win an awful lot, how stunder you at where we 42 00:01:57.239 --> 00:01:59.599 find ourselves with Utah football after year one of the 43 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:00.000 Big Twelve. 44 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:04.920 Oh that was a stinker, wasn't it? Stumbled a Latin 45 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:09.919 for something way worse than what I call stumble. Right, Hey, 46 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:12.599 you know something is it's college football? Why we play 47 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:13.000 the games? 48 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:13.240 Right? 49 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:16.159 I mean seriously, you know it's it's it's terrible when 50 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:18.400 you're on the bad end of it, you know, like this, 51 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:24.120 But you know with with the college rollercoaster, you know 52 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:26.719 it is hammer to stay on top every single time. 53 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:31.000 And what causes a clatchism as lands like this, I 54 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:34.639 have no idea, right, nobody could have seen us coming. 55 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:39.120 So you just hit the research button, right, is it 56 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:41.560 a city, Is it still a very very good program, yes? 57 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:42.759 Is it still well coached? 58 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:43.400 Yes? 59 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:48.199 And I just see this as a giant anomaly on 60 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:53.039 Watingham's career. But these things happen and I can't explain it. 61 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:54.960 All we can do is look forward and go, Okay, 62 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:57.199 what's the schedule next year? What talent do we have? 63 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:00.919 Are we making any coaching changes? And are those guys 64 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:01.840 any good coming in? 65 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:04.960 And the answer to that as far as the coaching 66 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:08.360 changes is yes. And we'll get to the new offensive 67 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.479 coordinator in a moment. But the biggest piece of news 68 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:13.560 is that coach went is back. I mean, there was 69 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:17.360 a ton of conjecture conversation rumor that this was it 70 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:20.360 for Kyle, and I have no idea whether or not 71 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:24.080 the underwhelming nature of this season added his desire to 72 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:26.560 come back. But you know, for our listeners that don't know, 73 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:30.080 your main gig with college football really does involve coaches, 74 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:32.599 and you've always been very high on coach with and 75 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.120 just wanted to get your thoughts on Kyle coming back 76 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.039 for your twenty one Yeah. 77 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.000 Well, I mean it's for those of the you know 78 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.360 listening out there that don't know what I do for 79 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:46.840 a paycheck. We do analytics and recruiting and staff building 80 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:52.719 for college football NFL, FCS, UFL. We simply try to 81 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:57.039 reduce rifts and talent acquisition, performance and pay So when 82 00:03:57.039 --> 00:04:01.560 I'm looking at Kyle Whittingham or Alley or Beck or 83 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:04.280 any of these guys, it is through the eyes of 84 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:07.599 their performance relative to all their other peers. So with 85 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:11.960 with coming back, I don't know, you know, if they're 86 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:14.680 Borgan had taken over, I'd be like, Okay, we're turning 87 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:17.160 over the new leave or he gets to start at 88 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:21.959 the bottom, so expectations are low. So you know, either way, 89 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:26.439 I think you win as a program and as a 90 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:30.720 coaching staff. I'd probably like to have Kyle come back. 91 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.639 I wouldn't want him to leave on that note. I'm 92 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:37.759 sure he doesn't want to leave on that note. So 93 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:42.000 having that stability and coaching continuity in the program, I 94 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:43.959 can't see it. It's not going to do anything but help. 95 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:48.399 And ultimately to your point, if coach with left and 96 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.720 they elevated Morgan, which is the plan, Morgan will take over, 97 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:55.199 they would have replaced every single major coach offensive coordinator, 98 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:58.360 head coach, defensive coordinator. So with Kyle coming back, you 99 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.040 do avoid that. But what are your thoughts? And I've 100 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:03.319 asked you before, but radio is not linear, Dave. As 101 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:07.399 you know, on this succession plan in place, after Kyle 102 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:10.160 steps aside, Morgan slides over a seat and he will 103 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:12.040 be the guy whatever that time comes. 104 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:15.240 Well, you know, when it comes to head coaching changes, 105 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.360 a lot of it is just timing. It's like the draft, 106 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:20.120 do you get lucky or not? Who's available when it 107 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:23.720 comes up. And when it comes down to coaching hires, 108 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:29.000 there's from from our standpoint, we like reduce the risks, right, 109 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:32.000 and so if we had a toy, we would like 110 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:35.519 our ads to hire a proven head coach that has 111 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:40.160 done well somewhere so that we have the numbers on him. 112 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:43.079 But if you're not going to go that direction, then 113 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:47.160 give me a guy with an elite ceiling offense defense. 114 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:49.920 I don't care, right, I mean, look at our playoffs 115 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:52.720 in my scoring efficiency nine of the top twelve and 116 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:55.959 defensive scoring efficiency here in the brackets. This defensive football 117 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:58.920 is going to win this title. And sudden a lot 118 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:00.480 of people get caught up in that, well, we need 119 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:02.720 the elite offensive coordinator. Say you don't. You need to 120 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:07.279 google an elite coordinator, period. And so Morgan has obviously 121 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:10.480 proved time and time again he has an elite ceiling defensively, 122 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:15.279 so when he comes in you would expect the defense 123 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:18.199 to be able to continue under his tutelage. The big 124 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:21.160 question mark is going to be the offense. And after 125 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.480 this year, well, everybody's gonna look. 126 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:26.839 Good next year for sure. For sure. That does lead 127 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:29.480 me to actually, you know what, let's start here, Dave, 128 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:34.680 because last year, you know, nothing was going well and 129 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.439 you can certainly be as reductive as saying it had. 130 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:40.240 It all had to do with the lack of health 131 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.360 at the quarterback position and yet another catastrophic injury to 132 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:45.800 Cameron Rising. But Andy Ludwig is the one who fell 133 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:47.560 on the sword, and I didn't think it was all 134 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:51.279 that fair Mike. But Jakian takes over the play calling situation, 135 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.879 and Mike, when he had his first media availability himself, said, 136 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:57.600 this is Andy Ludwig's system. I'm just calling the plays. 137 00:06:57.600 --> 00:06:59.800 And so for me it's like, well, what is Mike 138 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:01.920 and be able to do that Andy couldn't do in 139 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:04.920 his own system? And the answer turned out to be nothing. 140 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:06.959 But so give me, give me your thoughts on the 141 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:09.279 decision to move on from Andy before we get to 142 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.519 the new offensive coordinator, and your thoughts there. 143 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:14.720 Yeah, you know, I mean it's uh, it's like that 144 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:18.439 in national presidency end, somebody's got to go to prison, yep. Right, 145 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:20.560 when you got a bad offense, you got a bad defense, 146 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:22.480 somebody's got to get fired. Right. We got to have 147 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:25.040 a blood lighting, We've got to have human sacrifice to 148 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:28.519 appease the boosters and the fans. And that was Andy right, 149 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:32.560 and there was there was no doubt about it from 150 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:35.480 an offensive standpoint. Easily one of the bottom five in 151 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:39.399 the entire country. Powerful wife this year, but overall for 152 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.920 his career, I would still take Andy instead of Mike, right, 153 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:44.759 I mean, if we if we were starting from scratch, 154 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:46.720 he said, Okay, Dave, you got to pick offensive coordinator. 155 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:49.240 These are the two guys. I will take Andy over Mike. 156 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:54.560 But you know that being said, there was no fixing 157 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.839 it this year, and again going back to when things 158 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.480 start to tumble, there's no rhyme or rean for it. 159 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:04.319 It was probably more emotional and injury and psychologically driven 160 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:09.040 than anything. You know. Now Andy's gone, pays his turner, 161 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:10.759 and then you got a new guy comment. 162 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:14.639 So that leads me to giving you know, giving you 163 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:16.920 the space for our listeners to give us your thoughts 164 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.199 on Jason Beck. According to reports, Dave this was kind 165 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:23.360 of the third option for Utah. First went to Oklahoma, 166 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:26.079 second went to Texas Tech. Third landed here in Salt Lake. 167 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:29.920 He's a former b YU player, brings his quarterback with 168 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.000 him and Devin Dampierre. So what's the Dave Bart to 169 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:36.320 take on this new o c QB duo for Utah football. Oh? 170 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:38.919 We like the risk, right, Like I talked about before, 171 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:42.519 performance risks, salary risks. You know, what's the upside on 172 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.039 this guy? So he's only been home place for two years. 173 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.759 So in our system he's not fully graded up. Okay, 174 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:51.279 he's got to have four years, but in our system 175 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:54.600 he has labeled the rising star. He has one of 176 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:58.120 the top five second year offensive four leaders in all 177 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:02.399 college football. So bringing that with him plus his quarterback, 178 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:05.039 you and I both know, we all know it's quarterback driven. 179 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:07.919 You know, the league above and the league below, everything 180 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:10.320 runs through that quarterback. So the fact that you have 181 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:14.440 both guys is solid. But getting back I think that 182 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:19.240 was a that is a really good risk. We still 183 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:21.480 don't know what the downside is to him because both 184 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:23.960 of the years have been progressive. He is he has 185 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:27.960 a high archy, high ceiling kind of guy. The question 186 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.120 is when he hits that four, when he has the 187 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:32.799 bad year, we still don't know. That's kind of the risk. 188 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:34.159 How far down. 189 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:34.720 Will it go? 190 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:39.519 But overall, I think the risk is pretty solid for Utah. 191 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:44.080 What does your model and your experience say about, you know, 192 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:49.279 the the sometimes difficult jump from you know, the G 193 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:52.399 five situation of the P four situation a school like 194 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:55.519 New Mexico to a school like Utah from a play 195 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:58.759 caller and a quarterback standpoint, Because that's what Utah's banking 196 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:02.120 on New Mexico was the four ranked offense in college 197 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:04.679 football last year as far as yardage per game goes, 198 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:07.799 but it was in a sorry lesser conference. Now the 199 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:11.120 competition's better. What are some of the key dynamics, the 200 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:14.840 secret sauce that make coaches and quarterbacks that make this 201 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:16.399 jump successful next level? 202 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:20.159 Well, you know, and I agree with you. That's why 203 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.080 it's always risk, right. We don't know what he's going 204 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:27.639 to be able to do in the Big twelve relative 205 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:31.200 to what he did in New Mexico. I always try 206 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:36.480 to gravitate towards what did he do relative to the 207 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:40.200 defense as he faced, right, relative to the talent that 208 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:44.919 he had faced overall, And so at New Mexico, Beck's 209 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:48.960 forty fourth in defense of dusted counts in terms of 210 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.080 what he did out there. So I know, like, like 211 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.919 you said, the yards are huge, but when you look 212 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:58.279 at the scoring relative to the defense, I would say 213 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:01.240 it's a little bit lower. But yes, it's New Mexico. 214 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.519 You're talking bottom ten talent, put a finally in the country. 215 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.559 Anything done at New Mexico should be you know, the 216 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:15.440 should He should be really happy about that. So we 217 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.159 don't have an exact number to say this guy at 218 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.559 this level is now going to produce this. At this level, 219 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:22.639 he may be better at Utah. He may be better 220 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:25.039 because he has better players and a better offensive line 221 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:27.879 and better running back. I don't think you can simply 222 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:31.360 say just because he did at New Mexico it automatically 223 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:35.200 transferred to a certain level at Utah. I think you 224 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.399 have to take a risk on what he has done 225 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:39.960 relative to the talent, and for two years at New 226 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:43.600 Mexico he has drastically elevated that offense. It may not 227 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:46.360 be elite numbers, but folks, look at where New Mexico 228 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:49.879 was before he got there, and look what he did 229 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:52.519 for two years. And then the big thing to look 230 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:54.399 at is this is what we always do in the data. 231 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:57.360 We'll look at New Mexico you next year and see 232 00:11:57.360 --> 00:11:59.080 where it goes. That's going to be part of our 233 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:03.960 evaluation too, is how much impact did he have before, during, 234 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:04.799 and afters. 235 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:08.000 So there's been quite a bit of coaching news in 236 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:11.000 the state. Dave and Bronco Menenhall once upon a time 237 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:13.759 was tasked with turning Brigham Young around, and he did. 238 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:17.240 He was tasked with turning Uva around, and he did, 239 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:19.639 and he didn't stick in New Mexico for very long, 240 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:22.320 but did a pretty good job down there. So it's 241 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:24.600 been a chaotic year year and a half up in 242 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:27.480 Logan for Utah staying in that football program. As Blake 243 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:31.399 I Anderson lost his job, Nate Driling, he was hired 244 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.679 as the defensive coordinator, took over as the head coach, 245 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:36.519 and he kind of felt bad for Nate because he's 246 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:39.399 a brad young guy, but he had no shots to 247 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:42.720 do anything this year. Bronco Menenhall is now being asked 248 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:45.000 to do in Logan what he did in Provo and 249 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.720 what he did in Virginia. What's the Dave Bartwo take 250 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:50.480 on Bronco Menenhall to Utah State. 251 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:54.519 I think it's a great day. Hire, you know Blanco 252 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:57.240 and our system. Breen a half star head coach. Like 253 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.639 you said, he was solid at BYU. He was about 254 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:03.720 plus one game of year. So whatever you fell up 255 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:06.000 your talent, would you know be in six and sixty 256 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:07.759 was a seven and five guys seven and five, he's 257 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:10.679 a eighty four guy. So he coached above the talent 258 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.440 at all the stops. Even in New Mexico. He turned 259 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:17.480 it around. Really well in one year. So from a 260 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:21.360 safety's standpoint, I like the risk. For the athletic director. 261 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:25.600 I liked it for the program. He's a veteran and 262 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:28.879 that program needs obviously some retooling because this was a 263 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:35.399 lost year entirely. So I think it was probably probably 264 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:38.159 best risk available. You know, when you account for everything, 265 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:40.320 who you could get, the money you could pay, the 266 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.279 quality of guys, the situation of the program, and this 267 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:47.000 program has produced some wonderful seasons in the past years. 268 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:49.720 You know, it is elevated a lot of guys, So 269 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.679 the potential of the program, all of that, and all 270 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:55.320 of that, I think the AD made a fantastic higher 271 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.559 in terms of best available overall guys, of the situations. 272 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.399 So the irony of where we found ourselves, Dave here 273 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:04.000 in the state is that everything that we thought Utah 274 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:06.879 would be this year BYU turned out be to be 275 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:10.080 that team. You know, they put themselves really in the 276 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.080 mix to win the Big Twelve. At one point after 277 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:14.399 that nine to zero start, they were the favorite to 278 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:16.600 win the Big Twelve, but they stumbled down the stretch, 279 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:19.360 losing two of three. Still a really good year ten 280 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:21.879 and two overall, seven and two in conference, and they're 281 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:25.320 gonna get out the Alamo Bowl. Colorado is the opponent. 282 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.759 I think that's gonna be one of the more intriguing 283 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:32.360 non CFP bowl games. But you a number of years 284 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:36.240 ago on this show were really high on Kilani before 285 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:38.840 a lot of people were high on him the way 286 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:41.720 that they are now. And you know, given time you've 287 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:43.320 proven to be correct. What do you make of what 288 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.039 you saw down in Provo with BYU having the season 289 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:47.519 that Utah thought they would have. 290 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.559 I remember the pre season, I was on the I 291 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:53.519 was on the radio BYU Radio, and there was people 292 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.080 that were there was a lot of BYU fansy and 293 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:59.080 we need to retool the staff. And I'm like, you 294 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:01.279 guys are a bunch of you know, this is a 295 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:03.759 this is a top thirty staff in college football. You 296 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:06.639 are not getting any better than this at YU, You're not. 297 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:11.960 And you're in a coach's conference. So the entire situation 298 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:14.600 for BYU I felt the one end of this year. Now, 299 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:17.519 did I expect them to win ten games? Oh? Have no, no, no, no, 300 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:19.559 no no no. But I expected them to be two 301 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:23.679 to three games above their win total expectation. I expected 302 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:25.879 an eight win team, maybe at nine win team, not 303 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:30.480 what they did, but that staff is also very very good, 304 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:35.120 and so again a little bit surprised what happened. But 305 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:37.720 then if you look at the whole Big Twelve, most 306 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:40.519 of it revolved around coaching. You had excellent coaching at 307 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:44.080 Colorado surprising. I mean, I don't know how much it 308 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:47.759 was coaching, because their standards made Pat Turmany look good 309 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.159 and so he could just get the highpend for that alone. 310 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.200 Nobody's ever done that. And you're good coaching at State State. 311 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.480 You had surprising coaching at Arizona State. So you know, 312 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:01.440 as far as I'm concerned by you, is sitting just 313 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:04.200 fine and going in the same direction. 314 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:07.200 What do you make of the way Kenny dilling Ham 315 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.639 has been able to turn things down around there after 316 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:13.240 herm Edwards left him as led Zeppelin after party type mess. 317 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:16.240 I mean, it's pretty impressive in just a couple of 318 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:20.200 seasons to see ASU and the CFP representing the Big Twelve. 319 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:22.840 I've never asked you about Kenny. What do you think, Dave? 320 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:26.600 It's surreal to me, you know, because well if you 321 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:28.720 had asked me about Kenny before it was you know, 322 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:32.240 when he got hired obviously, He's got no head coaching experience, 323 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:35.759 so I don't have a feel on him. He put 324 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:38.519 up one elite year as an offensive coordinator at Oregon, 325 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:42.120 so you have an asterisk there. He came into Arizona 326 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:46.840 State pretty depleted on tenalent. The defensive coordinator Brian Ward, 327 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:49.279 three and a half star guy, nothing special there. He 328 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.639 brings in Marcus of Royo two and a half star guys, 329 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:57.200 certainly nothing special there, and it all came together, so 330 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:01.480 he must be a phenomenal culture guyhow maybe they just 331 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:03.320 caught lightly in the bottle. I don't think we should 332 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.839 get too far over her skis, but celebrate the year 333 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:10.720 in general. I think my biggest takeaway right now is 334 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:13.359 when I see something like this, a team winning so 335 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:18.000 far above expectations, having the offense performing where it's at, 336 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:22.200 having an offensive coordinator with the career Grady has Stam 337 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.279 eleven should be being called by every NFL agent right 338 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.079 now because that guy drove over the bus. 339 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:35.279 Yeah he did. Let's stick in the conference. Another quarterback coach, Comba, 340 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:37.880 I want to talk to you about and I honestly 341 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:41.599 don't recall what you told me about Dion when the 342 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.680 hire was made and maybe because there wasn't a ton 343 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:47.319 of P four data, you weren't sure how that was 344 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:51.000 going to go. And look, of course, the Dean effect 345 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:53.640 is a real thing. We all have experienced it both 346 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:55.200 in the Pac twelve and the Big twelve here in 347 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:58.599 Salt Lake, And ultimately, I think there were questions early on, 348 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:00.880 but I think it's really time to hit your cap 349 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.119 to what Dion Sanders has done in Boulder over the 350 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:05.920 course of just a couple of short seasons, turning a 351 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.920 program that was irrelevant into something that most people pay 352 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:12.240 attention to, whether you love it or not with the 353 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:15.319 landscape of college football, and also looks like his boy 354 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:17.319 is going to be the number one pick in the 355 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:20.240 NFL Draft. So the Dave Bars, you take on the 356 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:24.319 quarterback coaching combo and Boulder Dion and Shador Sanders. 357 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:28.519 Again, it's like it's like Arizona State. It's amazing. Now. 358 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:31.599 Dion coming out of Jackson State, we had him at 359 00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:33.599 a three and a half star grade. He'd only been 360 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:35.559 there two years, so we had him as a rising 361 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:39.640 star head coach. So he was good at staffing, pretty 362 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:44.000 good staffing. He was very good at results, and one 363 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:46.240 of my big questions is how much of this is 364 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.240 should go griven right. I think we all have that question. 365 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:52.519 Is is this going to be replicable next year without 366 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:58.920 that quarterback? Probably not because Sumer is not a good 367 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:00.880 offensive four dator. You know, if you look at his 368 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:03.799 history in the NFL, I have him in the bottom 369 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:07.839 twenty of all his offensive coordinators since two thousand. So 370 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:10.599 it wasn't that. I think it was quarterback driven. I 371 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:13.759 think the one big mystery and the amazing hire that 372 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:17.319 nobody talks about because it's always Standards, it's always Hunter, 373 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:22.119 it's always Prime, it's our defensive coordinator, Livingston. He'd never 374 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:24.839 been a defensive coordinator before, he wasn't in our system. 375 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:29.279 Then he put up a top twenty scoring efficiency defense 376 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:33.200 this year. While everybody focuses on everything else. That was 377 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:37.240 the single most amazing, unpredictable part of Colorado. We knew 378 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:39.839 what Prime would do, We knew what s Do would do. 379 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:43.240 You no idea the defense would do what it did. 380 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:46.039 And living Ston, for everybody out there that don't know 381 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:48.720 who he is, just go little circle around that guy, 382 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.920 because the data is saying this guy could be really good. 383 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:53.319 If you can sweep up this art. 384 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:56.920 I continue to chuckle. What I reminded that the most 385 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.680 popular preseason Big Twelve Championship game pick was Utah or 386 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.799 Oklahoma States, and the two teams combined to go two 387 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:07.480 and sixteen in conference. What happened with Mike Gundy? He 388 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:10.319 is coming back? They did not win a conference game, 389 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:12.599 and they never lose at home, and they couldn't win 390 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:14.519 it home this year? How did it go so wrong? 391 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:17.319 Dave and stillwater to me? 392 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:21.400 And well, who knows what the external intangible effects were? 393 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:23.200 But I don't know if I said it on a 394 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:24.839 miss Joe, but I said it on every single that 395 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:27.200 I went on talking about Oklahoma State in the Big Twelve. 396 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:32.880 That was the by far the worst offensive defensive coordinator 397 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:36.880 pairing in the Big Twelve. To start seat by law, 398 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:43.119 Dunlan and Nardo were both bottom ten coordinators in the FBS. 399 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:49.119 I'm talking UMass, Akron, Matt Teams, Jacksonville State, you name it, 400 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:54.799 bottom ten on both of them. So Gundy has even 401 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:56.480