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That's half off at simplysafe dot com slash crooked. 28 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:37.079 There's no safe like simply Safe. Welcome to Applied Save America. 29 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:39.640 I'm John Favor, I'm John Love It Tommy Vetory. On 30 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:41.879 today's show, we'll talk about the news that Trump appears 31 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:44.560 to be giving up on his one point eight billion 32 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:48.400 dollar insurrectionist slush fund. He also seems quite uninterested in 33 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:51.599 ending the Iran war, saying he quote couldn't care less 34 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:54.920 whether talks breakdown. We're also going to talk about Tuesday's 35 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:58.000 big primaries this week in Iowa and here in California, 36 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:01.280 as well as more turbulence in Maine for Graham Plattner 37 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:04.040 and more turbulence for Jade Vance and his quest to 38 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:08.639 become Donald Trump's number one boy chosen successor. Then New 39 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:11.039 Jersey Senator Andy Kim talks to me about the horrifying 40 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:13.840 conditions he witnessed at the Ice Attention Center in Newark, 41 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:19.000 where the senator was pepper sprayed by federal agents. Before 42 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.639 we start, you guys see the uh that CBS is 43 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:25.680 Scott Pelley accused Barry Weiss of murdering sixty minutes. 44 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:28.479 That sounds like a really fun meeting to have attended. 45 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:32.159 It was an all staff meeting convened by Weiss's new 46 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:35.960 handpicked executive producer, Nick Bilton. No Weiss at the meeting 47 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:37.840 said him. 48 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:39.400 It's your first day at the office. You're trying to 49 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:41.599 find the bathrooms. You're seeing which where your badge works 50 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:43.560 and where your badge doesn't work. Next, Scott Pelly is 51 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.439 saying you piece of shit. I will fucking wreak your 52 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.240 dead corpse over the bones of Don Hewitt. 53 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:54.159 And obviously love It's was hyperbole, but not as much 54 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:58.759 as you might obviously close reading Oliver Darcy's status as 55 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:03.240 the whole transcript of the meeting was it was something anyway. 56 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:05.240 I just bring that up because if all of you 57 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:07.680 want to support the growth of an independent pro democracy 58 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:11.680 media company that Barry Weiss can't murder, at. 59 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:12.199 Least not yet. 60 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:15.039 Yeah, please consider becoming a friend of the pod subscriber 61 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.000 you get ad free episodes of this show, all your 62 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:20.639 favorite Crooked Pods, subscriber only shows like Polarcoaster with Dan Pfeiffer, 63 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.680 our secret extra episode of Pod Save America, and full 64 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:26.120 access to all of our substec newsletters like Open Tabs. 65 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:29.840 Check it out at criokeed dot com slash friends. All right, 66 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:32.400 let's get to the news. With the Middle East still 67 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:34.439 a mess and gas price is still high, the President 68 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:36.759 is once again working hard to communicate to the American 69 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:40.120 people how little he cares about these things. Here he 70 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:42.919 is during a hard hitting Fox interview with his daughter 71 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.000 in law Lara Trump, focused like a laser on his 72 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:47.919 true passion interior design. 73 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:51.520 This will be the entrance into the ballroom, and the 74 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:53.639 borough will be right here. No, the ballroom is a 75 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:55.800 gift to America from me and. 76 00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:58.560 From Apple and from lots of great people. And how 77 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:00.199 often are you coming out here to check. 78 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:01.120 The progress a lot. 79 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:04.319 We're gonna have the inauguration here. Oh wow, this stone 80 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:05.560 can last a million years. 81 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:05.840 You know. 82 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.240 Most people would put brass on top of a piece 83 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:10.759 of wood. It would be called laminading, and then in 84 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:12.039 about three years you see the. 85 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:14.400 Grass falling on the floor. You know, with laminated, this 86 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:15.840 is solid. 87 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:17.759 Same thing with this. 88 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.000 This is all solid, beautiful solid. 89 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:23.800 It's it's the putting. Look. 90 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.839 We've suffered a lot under this guy, the putting labels 91 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.680 on the rooms outside the office. You know, the whole 92 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:32.759 point of it, man, is we know it's a cool room. 93 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:34.639 It's actually a great thing. You don't need to label it. 94 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:37.160 Did you guys read Ashley Parker's story about Trump is 95 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:40.600 a gay icon in the Atlantic. You will love it. 96 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:42.439 It's made so funny. It's so good. 97 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:44.360 They're having the inauguration out there. 98 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.279 No, they're not, by the way Congress decided. 99 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.519 I was gonna say, yeah, what's the dream means like 100 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:49.759 the balls and some of the you know. 101 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:51.959 The balls that would happen around the inauguration. I mean, 102 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:55.639 says him. He's not there anymore. 103 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:56.040 Right, he won't be. 104 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.000 He shouldn't be that involved in the planning of it. 105 00:04:58.120 --> 00:04:59.759 You know, one would hope does he He's he's just 106 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:01.839 gonna stay on as like physical plant director. 107 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:05.800 It's a chaperone for JD. You're going home. 108 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:08.199 No. So that was on Fox over the weekend for 109 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:10.279 Fox viewers who wanted just a little more on what 110 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.519 the government is doing about this terrible economy. On Sunday morning, 111 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.120 they get to hear this from top White House economic 112 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:19.079 advisor slash a Democratic Party plant, Kevin Hassett. 113 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:21.800 People are spending more on gas, but they're also spending 114 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:26.319 more on everything else, not just groceries, but restaurants and 115 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:28.160 so on. And I think that that's a sign that 116 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.680 you would see when people are optimistic about the futures. 117 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:35.240 Now, Tommy, you put this in Slack yesterday, I think 118 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:39.079 on Sunday, and I was like, isn't that the clip 119 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:41.959 from last month when Kevin hasn't said this? And then 120 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:43.759 I had to click on it and realize that he 121 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:46.480 basically said the same thing again, but maybe worse this time. 122 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.160 No, they just keep putting Magga, Dennis and Menace on 123 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:50.920 TV to stay stupid shit. I mean, they just like 124 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.040 they could not seem more out of touch if they tried. 125 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:55.519 They spending more on gas and groceries does not suggest 126 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:57.839 that you're optimistic about the future. It suggests that you 127 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:00.279 need gas and groceries and those are non negotiable items. 128 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.600 They're not taking out loans to start a business, Like 129 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:03.360 what are you talking about? 130 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:06.399 It does like, oh, you know, hey, man, Like most 131 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:08.560 people are just they're just not really paying that close 132 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:12.040 attention to aggregate consumer spending, right, Like that matters to 133 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:13.120 you in your morning meeting. 134 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:15.600 Yes, yeah, But then like the Laura Trump interview, I mean, 135 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:19.759 Trump clearly wanted to talk about the brass thing he 136 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:22.000 put on the wall. He could he could write Laura 137 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:24.160 Trump's questions for her if he wanted. It's his daughter 138 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:25.959 in law doing the interview, and he like, they clearly 139 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:28.319 went out and they pitched this, like he just he 140 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.360 wants to tell us I don't give a shit about 141 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:33.319 anyone or anything about in a world except for myself, 142 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:36.519 my arch and like he seems annoyed almost that we 143 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:37.600 don't believe him at this point. 144 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:41.160 It's so funny because we also on Friday's pod covered 145 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:44.319 Bessent in the briefing room when some reporter asked him 146 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.720 about like people's savings being lot of people dipping into 147 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:50.920 their savings and he's like, well, according to the economic literature, 148 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.600 that could be two things. One the doomer view that 149 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:57.399 you just took, which is that people aren't confident or 150 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.240 they're spending so much because they are confident. That's why 151 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:01.399 they're dipping. They're saving. 152 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:03.959 Yes, people are people are wrecking, people are racking up 153 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:07.199 credit card debt because they're betting on themselves. That's what's 154 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:09.480 going on. That's what's going on. Just thought of it, 155 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:11.199 thought of it too late. Phantom of the ballroom, that's 156 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.519 what he's sort of aiming fans something like that. I 157 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:15.720 sort of imagine I said it earlier. 158 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.000 The University image. They made this joke earlier. The University 159 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:22.720 of Michigan's consumer Sentiment Index is at a record low 160 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:25.439 of forty four point eight in May of twenty twenty six. 161 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:27.680 That's lower than cos covidom. 162 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:30.560 So the biggest concern, by the way, is cost of 163 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:31.959 living and gas prices. 164 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:34.199 Yeah, well, you know what the solution is, turn that 165 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:37.639 frown upside down. All you doomers believe believe in Donald 166 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:40.480 Trump and his wild Look. If a man can can 167 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:42.560 do that with brass, imagine what he can do for 168 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:43.240 your savings. 169 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:45.360 Thatsn't going out there with the two hundred and fifty 170 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:48.560 dollars bill too. Like the whole thing it is crazy. 171 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:50.240 It is he wants to lose them. 172 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:52.879 You see him holding up the story being like, whoever 173 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:56.040 edited this or did a terrible job, A pissy cadavery. 174 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:00.199 He looks, so he has such a terrible like kind 175 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:04.839 of his whole facial expression, just like just it's so unlikable, 176 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.279 just the holding up the story with the money on it. 177 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:09.519 So obviously none of this is going too well politically 178 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:12.160 for Trump. But unfortunately for him, even his renovations and 179 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:15.920 corruption are running into some stiff headwinds. On Friday, a 180 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:18.720 federal judge blocked Trump's plan to close the Kennedy Center 181 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:21.560 for renovations and also ruled that he can't just rename 182 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:25.000 it for himself. There was a very long truth social 183 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.560 post where he was ranting about that that I have 184 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:29.319 to tell you, I honestly couldn't get through it all. 185 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:31.920 It's just he was very upset. Sorry, but basically he's like, 186 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:34.759 I'm giving up on the Kennedy Center. That's it, forget it. 187 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:36.399 It's like, all right, quat cool. 188 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:40.679 Yeah, hey man, yeah, leave her alone. 189 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:45.080 The same day, another federal judge in Florida reopened Trump's 190 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:47.440 IRS settlement with his own DOJ because of what she 191 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:50.559 called quote grievous allegations that the one point eight billion 192 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:54.279 dollar insurrectionist slush fund was quote premised on deception. Then 193 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.480 another federal judge in Virginia temporarily blocked the transfer of 194 00:08:57.519 --> 00:08:59.639 money in or out of the fund while she waits 195 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:02.360 to hear arguments in a lawsuit challenging it. Finally, after 196 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:04.840 all these reports that both Republicans in Congress and White 197 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.320 House aides were pushing Trump to just give up on 198 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.759 the slush fund altogether, it appears as if he's done 199 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:13.000 just that. Two senior administration officials told Axios that Trump 200 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:15.200 will dropped the slush fund, with one saying quote, it's 201 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.480 dead for now. D o J also posted a statement 202 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:21.519 saying it'll quote abide by the court ruling blocking it, 203 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:25.279 even though that block is only temporary. Do you guys 204 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:26.799 we haven't heard from Trump as of this record. 205 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:29.440 We got to hear from the big Boy before it's done. 206 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:30.799 It's not done till the big Boy speaks. 207 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.480 Yeah, and even then, But do you think he's backs 208 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:36.120 down this easily? And and I think more importantly, do 209 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:38.759 you guys think this is still a political issue for Republicans? 210 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:39.440 So? 211 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:40.240 Uh? 212 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:44.240 For Also, Senate Republicans actually were pretty bothered by this. 213 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:46.279 In a close to our meeting, of course, John Thune 214 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.440 was actually out there saying, you didn't like this very much, 215 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.279 which is impressive for him. Of course, the only thing 216 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:57.879 Senate Republicans could manage to do is quietly oppose it 217 00:09:57.960 --> 00:09:59.279 and then bravely leave town. 218 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:00.720 That was their way of protesting it. 219 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:02.080 It was we're not going to give him more money 220 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:03.679 for immigration that we don't need if we're going to 221 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:07.120 leave town to signal our our unhappiness with it. I 222 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.679 assume and hope that we'll still have votes on it 223 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:12.039 this week. I think there's no given that it's only 224 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:15.159 temporarily on hold, and Trump clearly wants to do this. 225 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:17.840 I think Democrats need to get Republicans on record that 226 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:20.399 they would oppose having this kind of a slush fund 227 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:23.039 be legal now or in the future, and so let's 228 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.879 get them voting on that, because even if they're privately 229 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:27.639 saying it, they'll have to publicly do something. 230 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:30.320 Yeah, the for now bothered me. For now, part of 231 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:32.519 that report bothered me. I'm hopeful that you know, when 232 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:35.399 you're primarying John Corny and you're primary and Bill Cassidy, 233 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:37.919 and when Tom Tillis hates you all Republicans in the Senate, 234 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:40.840 maybe they will prevent this from ever passing or coming 235 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:41.960 to be. I don't know. I don't know if you 236 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:43.440 guys read the big New York Times piece from over 237 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.000 the weekend about how the slush fund came together, but 238 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.000 it read like the blueprint for a future reco case. 239 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:53.360 It was like Boris Epstein on the outside, like coordinating 240 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:56.519 things the Trump kids want immunity for, like all IRS 241 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:00.559 audits for their tax returns in the future. The professional 242 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.240 staff at DJ are either horrified or quitting. And then 243 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:05.279 the White House political staff was just cut out of 244 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:08.120 the process because they probably knew that it was toxic 245 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:11.360 and it's like the most corrupt sounding shit imaginable, and 246 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:12.960 so I don't know, knowing Trump, it's probably not the 247 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:13.360 end of it. 248 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:17.679 Schumer is going ahead with, or he said he's going 249 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:19.559 ahead with making sure they have to vote on it 250 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:21.679 and do it. The vote is going to be on 251 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:23.559 you know. Originally, I think the first time we talked 252 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:27.720 about Democrats potentially proposing amendments on this, it was like 253 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:30.919 to restrict the fund or whatever. There was a couple 254 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:33.759 proposals out there to just ban the fund completely forever, 255 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:37.759 and that's what Schumer's going with, reportedly, he said today. 256 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:43.240 And I think that's great because like what Republican now 257 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.639 is going to vote against the ban now that Trump 258 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:49.240 has said, or at least the White House has signaled 259 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:51.200 that they're giving up on it, so Trump doesn't say 260 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.000 anything between now and the vote. Like, if you're a 261 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.679 Republican voting on this, you can either vote against the 262 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.200 ban and really fuck yourself in the midterms because now 263 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:02.720 that White House is abandoned it, but now you're on 264 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:05.360 record supporting it, or you can vote for the band 265 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:06.799 and then the band becomes law and then it doesn't 266 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.639 matter if Trump backs off because now it's against the law. Well, right, 267 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:11.559 there's a pretty good position that, Oh. 268 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:14.000 Democrats are great, this is ridiculous. There's no good vote 269 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:16.600 for the Republicans. They haven't in the past chosen this 270 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:18.919 is a political ploy because there is no fund So 271 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.799 I'm voting against this because Democrats are playing politics, just 272 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:24.799 giving them an option to be crazy, of course, just 273 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:29.360 giving that's another vote. It's another craven past there they're 274 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:31.799 Republicans have said this is not necessary or it is 275 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:33.679 too late. Those have been two positions they've taken in 276 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:34.919 the past, and trying to stop Trump. 277 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:35.399 Uh. 278 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:38.720 The the other part of this too is like in 279 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:41.440 fairness to Trump, you must be surprised that there's any 280 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:42.240 pushback whatsoever. 281 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:44.080 It sort of I think must have caught him up. 282 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:47.720 Guards that centate Republicans have found a line because they've 283 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:51.440 tolerated so much brazen corruption, the pardons and all the 284 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:54.080 rest that led to this moment. Even as we're speaking 285 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.000 ToJ is trying to vacate the convictions of the oathkeepers 286 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:00.720 that Trump only commuted but didn't part. And so they 287 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:04.399 still are kind of just going full speed ahead without 288 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:06.120 having to worry about the Republicans of Congress. 289 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:07.840 I love the Mike Pence was on the Sunday Shows 290 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:09.840 being like, please don't pay the people that tried to 291 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:13.720 hang me. Yeah, you know Donald's watch. I watched her 292 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.159 to hang me. They set up up stocks in a news. 293 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:18.720 He I watched part of that. Mike Pence, come on, 294 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:20.919 Meet the Press. I don't know why this doesn't sound 295 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:23.480 like me, but. 296 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:24.759 But it was. He's served to you by accident. 297 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.399 His book is about His book is about like the 298 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:29.679 need to take on the right wing populist. While he's 299 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.279 like up there just like praising Donald Trump and how 300 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:34.480 on so many things he's doing such a great job. 301 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:36.480 And then he's like, Now, I do have to say 302 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:38.879 I am a big critical of his continuing to support 303 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:39.720 the people that tried to. 304 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:42.519 Kill me, But nobody's perfect. So unbelievable that he's still 305 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:45.679 out here, out there like doing this thing. I think 306 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:49.559 that there's a very small but non zero chance that 307 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:52.480 the other all option for Donald Trump is saying, fine, 308 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:56.720 I'll just pocket the cash. Then well he remember, remember 309 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:59.080 he had that pissy post last week when there was 310 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.720 a lot of political lowback on the slush fund, and 311 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:03.559 he was like, I could have just kept the money. 312 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:06.480 Well, that's why he's annoyed, right, because he thought, I'm 313 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:07.919 going to do a ten million dollar lawsuit. 314 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:10.159 Yeah, and then I'm actually going to do something really. 315 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:13.159 Cool which is going to be like beloved by all 316 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:14.320 because I'm not going to keep the money. 317 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:17.879 It was like too clever by half? Yes, yes, And 318 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:18.200 then you. 319 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.720 Can feel that this is the White House staff being 320 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.960 annoyed at Todd Blanche for running this drug deal behind 321 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:25.480 their backs. 322 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.799 So good, amazing, All right, let's talk about around where 323 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:31.240 Trump can't even seem to get a bad deal, let 324 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.519 alone one that would justify the insane amount of money 325 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:36.519 and lives the war has already cost military strikes have 326 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:40.039 started again around state. Media said it was pausing negotiations. 327 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:43.159 Trump told CNBC on Monday morning that he quote couldn't 328 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:46.159 care less if the negotiations collapse, that they quote took 329 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.200 too much time and started to get very boring. This 330 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:52.840 was after he complained on truth Social about how negative 331 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:56.080 quote chirping about the war from political hacks is making 332 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.759 his job tougher and that we should all just sit 333 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:01.240 back and relax because it will all work out well 334 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:07.080 in the end. It always does. Trump then reverse course again, uh, 335 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.440 and said that talks between the US and Iran were 336 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:11.639 quote continuing at a rapid pace. 337 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:14.559 Taking too long and getting kind of boring. Is also 338 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:16.559 what he said the one and only time he went 339 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:22.240 down on Havana. Never never made it, Never gonna make 340 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:22.960 that mistake. 341 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:35.279 Where that came to sorry me, just catching catching strays 342 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:42.080 from the grave. Okay, Uh, Tommy, we were we were 343 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:45.600 reliably told by Scott Jennings last Thursday that Trump had 344 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:47.879 reached a deal with Iran that got us quote everything 345 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:51.519 we want. What happened? Is it possible that Scott let 346 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:52.039 us a stress? 347 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:53.720 Yeah? Before I get the Jennings, I want to just 348 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:56.200 read a little more of the transcript of the CNBC interview. 349 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:58.559 Is this what Trump told Aman Jabvers from CNBC about 350 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.279 the peace talks. I don't care if they're over. Honestly, 351 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:03.759 I really don't care. I couldn't care less. If they're over, 352 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:06.080 they're over. If they're not, you know, I think they 353 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.480 took too much time. Frankly, I thought they started to 354 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:13.480 get very boring again. Thirteen service members dead, hundreds more wounded, tire, 355 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:16.039 global economy is on the brink of collapse. Gas prices 356 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.879 are at fifty percent, So he's bored. It's just hard 357 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:20.320 to wrap your head around a politician and saying that, 358 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:22.480 a president saying that and then not being a career 359 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:25.120 ending moment kind of like on site. But here we are. 360 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:26.879 Fox News will never air it. This will never have 361 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:30.200 happened in the maga media world now. Scott Jennings, fuck 362 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.159 know him from CNN. You know him, you hate him, 363 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:35.240 And he's a hack. He's a fool. He mindlessly regurgitates 364 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.519 whatever talking points he gets sent from the White House, 365 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:42.240 including blatant disinformation. So I expect nothing better from him. 366 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:46.480 But i'd like, I do hope that this disaster makes 367 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.440 the Axios and some of other news outlets. They kind 368 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:53.039 of cut and paste whatever to some senior administration official 369 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:55.879 told them, whether it's Jared Kushner or the Press Office 370 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.919 or whomever, just help, like, rethink how you're doing your job, 371 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:01.279 because I get the journalism is very competitive. I get 372 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:04.160 that reporters are battling for every mini scoop these days. 373 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.920 But at best you look silly. At worst, uh, you 374 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:12.480 are upon in oil market manipulations, right, This happens every Sunday. 375 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:15.200 And then ultimately you're pumping out this information to the 376 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:18.279 entire world. Like I remember, economies in Southeast Asia like 377 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:20.960 have stopped because they have no oil and gas and 378 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:22.480 so on. The question of where do we stand on 379 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:26.240 a deal, I don't know, Like one the deal was off, 380 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.240 the deal was on. We're on the cusp of a deal. 381 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:31.680 Then we're bombing the Iranians again. Trump just said he 382 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:34.440 talked directly with a Hesbola representative. You guys see that today. 383 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:38.839 That's new, that's interesting, And then said and said that 384 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:40.599 that Hesbela and Israel they're cool. 385 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:42.839 There's a far and Lebanon. Now the Iron talks are 386 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:45.359 proceeding quickly. Then then I was like, no, what are 387 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:46.839 you talking about? So who knows? 388 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:48.839 I also, I mean, you tell me, Tommy. But like, 389 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:53.240 I don't think that all the pre spinning of what 390 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:55.880 the deal is going to include from the White House 391 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:59.079 is actually helping the negotiations that much, and in fact 392 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:01.279 maybe hurting them, because every time they get close to 393 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:04.599 a deal then and Around's probably thinking, okay, like we're 394 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:06.279 gonna do this, maybe you know, And then Trump goes 395 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:08.279 out and is like, we destroyed them. We got the 396 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:10.160 best deal ever, we got everything we ever wanted. And 397 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:12.359 then the Iranians are probably like, well, fuck no, I'm 398 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:12.839 not gonna do this. 399 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:14.799 Now. Trump is gonna have to give on something, whether 400 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:19.799 it's you know, the duration of the deal, like sanctions relief, 401 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:23.359 unfrozen assets, something, but he refuses to look weak. He 402 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:25.880 doesn't want to look like he gave a jcpoa like 403 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:28.599 agreement to the Iranians. So you're right, I mean, he 404 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:31.200 it sounds like his staff are kind of giving. And 405 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:33.480 then he goes out and says, actually, no, we're going 406 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:35.000 to take the dust to We're going to not give 407 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:37.039 him any money, like all the reports are bullshit and 408 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:38.920 running it's okay, okay, fuck you then yeah. 409 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:42.079 I felive there's two things happening. One is what an 410 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:45.319 actual deal will ultimately look like, if there is one, 411 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:48.279 and then there's how Trump, how the Trump administration talks 412 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:50.759 about the deal, and then what's reported. This has been 413 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:54.400 This has been sort of the media has been getting 414 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:58.519 led around by Trump from when Vance went to Pakistan, 415 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:02.519 because Vance goes to Pakistan, and then within tweight within 416 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:06.000 you know, eight hours, twelve hours, the reports are stalemate 417 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:09.319 talk and it talks at an impasse, talks are falling apart. 418 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:11.279 There haven't really been talks. 419 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:14.920 And we've spent the next last several weeks having deal 420 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.359 falls apart, verge of a deal. Deal falls apart, verge 421 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:20.839 of a deal, when what would be happening in a 422 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:24.880 normal administration is the long grinding negotiation of a complicated 423 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.119 deal in which which there gives and takes and and 424 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:30.079 like you know, and and and puts and whatever. And 425 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:33.079 instead it's the kind of through the Trump prism. And 426 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:34.960 so all these outlets are hearing, i guess, from the 427 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:37.400 administration officials from who knows, saying we're on the verge 428 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:39.599 of a deal. They report that out faithfully, and then 429 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:41.799 it falls apart. The very next day, the reality of 430 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:44.599 there will be hopefully there will be a deal. It 431 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.440 will look something like the jcpo A, and then Trump 432 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:50.440 will declare it the best, the best deal in history. 433 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:52.960 Like one hopes that that's what will eventually get to 434 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.759 and then this all this up and down shit will 435 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:58.319 have just been sort of like silly Trump chaos on 436 00:19:58.400 --> 00:19:58.880 the way there. 437 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:00.359 Well, I guess I think. 438 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:03.559 What's triggering the hell out of me though, is like, ultimately, 439 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:05.279 like there will be reporting on that will value with 440 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:07.920 the merits of any deal, but that deal could have 441 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:11.559 been gotten without a disastrous war that led to the 442 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:14.319 deaths of thousands of our onions, the service members, the 443 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:16.880 entire economy. And it's like, I'm not worried about this 444 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.039 table losing that context. I am worried about the broader 445 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:22.200 media like helping Trump sell a deal by like doing 446 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:26.920 this constant incremental reporting by retweeting, you know, Scott Jennings 447 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:29.279 saying this is a win for the Trump administration, et cetera. 448 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:31.400 It's like, no, this is a disaster, no matter what 449 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:32.079 happens next. 450 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:34.799 Yeah, because the honest thing to report on this or 451 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:37.559 if you were some kind of a conservative pundit, the 452 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:39.960 honest thing to even say is glad it's over now. 453 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:44.160 But that wasn't worth it, and not in exactly those words, 454 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:46.359 but like that is the tenor of whatever deal we're 455 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:48.599 going to get, is that, like there's no way we 456 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:50.240 came out better than we started. 457 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:53.559 Because the even like just on the on uranium enrichment, 458 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:56.559 what I saw over the weekend early today was what 459 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:58.920 was on the table was a twenty year moratorium, which 460 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:01.039 is what up from the ten year moratorium. 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As you're 531 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.400 listening to this, voters in Iowa and California are voting 532 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.039 in some very consequential elections. Let's start with Iowa, where 533 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:23.680 State Representative Josh Turk and State Senator Zach Walls are 534 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:26.000 in a tough primary fight for the state's open Senate seat, 535 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:29.039 which will be hugely important. This one has become yet 536 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:31.920 another meta commentary on Chuck Schumer and the d SEC 537 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:35.519 trying to influence key primaries, in this case in favor 538 00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:39.920 of Turrek. Schumer hasn't publicly endorsed Turk, but his like 539 00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:43.799 aligned pack has contributed, so his Jillibrands he was, you know, 540 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:46.319 it's reported that he was sort of a Schumer recruit, 541 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:53.279 much to Turk's dismay. Yeah, you should end indoors Walls, Tommy. 542 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:55.640 You interviewed both Turk and Walls on the show for 543 00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:57.799 people just catching up. What are each of them bringing 544 00:24:57.839 --> 00:24:59.440 to the table. What were your general impressions? 545 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:01.839 Yeah, I mean so Joshturk, he's a state rep in 546 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:05.039 Western Iowa and Council Bluffs. He was born with spina bifida, 547 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:07.839 uses a wheelchair. He's a two time Paralympic gold medal 548 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:11.359 winner in wheelchair basketball. And he's just like his life story, 549 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:14.960 he's just an incredibly gritty, determined guy. Like he got 550 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.000 cut from the men's team six times before he actually 551 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:19.960 won the gold medal. He just kept coming back and 552 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:22.119 come back and competing, and like there's videos of him 553 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:25.200 he literally like climbs out of his wheelchair, climbs up 554 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.960 the stairs with his hand, drags a wheelchair up after him, 555 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:29.599 and then knocks on doors like that's how he goes 556 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:33.039 door to door. So like gritty dude clearly benefiting from 557 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:36.960 being Schumer's pick and an associated nine million dollars vote 558 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:40.119 vets ad by that has drastically increased his name ID 559 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:41.880 because no one knew who any of these guys were. 560 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:44.039 And then Zach is a member. Zach wall is a 561 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:45.880 member of the Iowa State Senate. He's from Iowa City. 562 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:47.799 He was sent a minority leader for a couple of years. 563 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.680 Our listeners probably saw him speak in twenty eleven, even 564 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:52.599 though they don't remember it or knew it was him 565 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:54.440 at the time. He was a nineteen year old. He 566 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:57.359 delivered a speech asking Iowa legislators not to pass a 567 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:00.519 constitutional amendment banning gay marriage and civil unions that went 568 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.519 super viral back in what twenty eleven, And it was 569 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.319 a great speech, really powerful speech, like super charges his career. 570 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:08.839 So I interviewed both. I liked him both a lot. 571 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:11.799 Everyone seems to think that Josh is likely to win. 572 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:13.759 A lot of people I know who work in Iowa 573 00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:15.799 politics think he is more electable because he's one and 574 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:17.759 more conservative parts of the state. The what's gonna take 575 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.680 on Congressman Ashley hints in for Jony Ernstie because she's resigning, 576 00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:24.319 and no matter who wins, Iowa is like ground zero 577 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:26.599 for politics this next cycle, because you got Rob sand 578 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:29.400 who could be the next governor, you have this open 579 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.839 Senate seat, and then there's like three competitive House races, 580 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:34.559 a bunch of other state wide things. So like Iowa 581 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.160 is absolutely crucial. So this was one we're gonna be 582 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:37.880 watching going forward. 583 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.039 I will say that I've been impressed by both of them, 584 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:43.720 by both Josh Turk and Zach Walls. And you know, 585 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.200 some of these Senate primary fights are particularly intense, and 586 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.119 I know this one is two I do not, Like 587 00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:52.039 I was kind of joking about Josh hurt, probably wishing 588 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:56.279 that Schumer didn't spend some pack money on him or 589 00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:59.240 necessarily recruit him. But like, I think that I understand 590 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.240 why wall is. You know, Walls has tried to make 591 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:06.119 this a race about sort of an outsider versus the establishment, 592 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:08.400 as Turk is the establishment. I kind of think that, like, 593 00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:12.759 you know, Turk being picked by Chuck Schumer is not 594 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:15.480 quite the same as Turk being part of the establishment 595 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:17.319 or the establishment spending money on him. Like a lot 596 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:18.920 of the money that spent on him, his vote vets. 597 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.920 So it's like it's not, at least for me, it 598 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.720 doesn't worry me that he's some establishment pick necessarily. I 599 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:27.440 feel like the case for that isn't as strong as 600 00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:29.519 in some of these other cases. But I also, like, 601 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:31.599 you know, Zach Wallas was in here too. I thought 602 00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:33.759 he was very compelling as well, So I like both 603 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:35.480 of them, love it anything. 604 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:40.960 I think, Look, there's some races where being seen as 605 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:42.920 like the Schumer guy, the DC guy, I think has 606 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:46.519 been a real cross to bear. I think that happened 607 00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:48.200 in Nane, which we'll talk about in a second. I 608 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:50.559 just don't think it's been that in Iowa as much 609 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:52.680 this time, in part because this vote that's by has 610 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.319 been so big and so significant and helping push Josh Ford. Also, 611 00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:59.799 he's a known quantity in western Iowa. I think he's 612 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:02.160 ever been worked in DC. Yes, so I think it's 613 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.039 harder to lay that on him. But we'll see. 614 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:06.279 We should also say that for people wondering the reason 615 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:09.359 that votes vote Vets is spending money on him is 616 00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.559 not because he's a veteran, but his father was in 617 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.839 Vietnam and potentially exposed to Agent Orange, and that's why 618 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:16.839 they think Josh has spined a bit. But also I 619 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.599 think vote Vetts is seen as doing Tchumor's political getting 620 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:23.880 here also true, also true. All right, let's turn to California. 621 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:26.960 The big race, of course, is the Jungle primary for governor. 622 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:29.160 We have covered the campaign a lot. In between us. 623 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.640 We've interviewed Tom Steyer, Katie Porter, and Matt Mahon. We 624 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.200 also reached out over a dozen times to the apparent frontrunner, 625 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:38.920 Javier Bsera, and even though they expressed interest, they unfortunately 626 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:43.640 wouldn't commit to a time. Okay, same question for each 627 00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:45.279 of you who'd end up supporting him? 628 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:45.440 Why? 629 00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:49.039 And uh who else did you like? If this were 630 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.279 a ranked choice voting, who might you support? 631 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:52.640 After that? 632 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:54.279 Well, my ballot still hasn't been filled down. 633 00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:59.400 I'm still gettable, I'm still gettible. I am going to 634 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.920 vote for time Ston because I would like to see 635 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:05.559 if Psara, if the polls are to be believed, and 636 00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:08.000 they've been pretty consistent. Psara is going to move on 637 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.119 one other will There's a chance Tom Steyer can be 638 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.079 that second person. I would much rather have two Democrats 639 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:15.920 battling it out for the future of the Democratic Party 640 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:17.960 in this state than I would have Bisara versus a 641 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:22.079 Republican who has not passed the threshold question of opposing 642 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:23.880 Donald Trump's election lines like that, to me, is a 643 00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:26.519 threshold question. You could be frustrated with Democrats in the state. 644 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.160 You can believe that Democrats have fucked up in California, 645 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.799 but if you can't say that Donald Trump lost that election, 646 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:35.640 if you can't stand up to him, then that is 647 00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:38.400 so fucking dangerous, and he's a nut for that. So 648 00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.160 that's where I'm at. I also really liked my conversation 649 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:43.720 with Tom Steyer. I think he had good answers for 650 00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:45.799 some of the questions about where Democrats have gone wrong 651 00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:48.880 in California and some of the criticisms. I also really 652 00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.720 like Katie Porter, but she just hasn't risen to the 653 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.440 top of the polse like shekind of slowly fell behind, 654 00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:58.720 And I think it sucks because I really like her, 655 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.160 But I'm trying to be pragmatic with my vote. 656 00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:03.640 Yeah, I missed. So if I could wave a magic 657 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.079 wand and make some governor, would be Katie Porter. But 658 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.640 she is down in the polls, and I'm having the 659 00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.920 same I have the same rationale. I want to vote 660 00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:15.279 strategically because I think Styre and Beisarah going to a 661 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:17.680 runoff would be great. It would kind of be annoying 662 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.200 if we had to deal with, you know, running in 663 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.559 Steve Hilton, who's a random British short king who's like 664 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:25.200 deep in the tech community. I think it's tights a problem, 665 00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:26.920 but the uh, I do love that that triggers you 666 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.319 of all the all the criticies, but like, I also 667 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.240 love that Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco are calling on 668 00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:33.680 each other to drop out still even though Hilton is 669 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.160 like crushing Bianco and Trump is endorsed Hilton. But that's 670 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:37.599 where I was. 671 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:39.640 Yeah, I would if I were doing range choice, I 672 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:43.160 would be Katie number one, no question, because that that's 673 00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:45.000 that's who that's before. 674 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.599 But that's not the world we live in. I had 675 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:50.200 a real hard time with this, and I voted a 676 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:55.720 couple of days ago. I uh, I had California is 677 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.599 a big state with the it's hard to govern a 678 00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:00.920 lot of problems. I don't really feel I would think 679 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:04.279 I thought about Bassarah, but like I don't feel confident 680 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.000 giving the top job to someone who's had he said, 681 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.680 thirty five years in elected office to prove himself, but 682 00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:14.960 has received mainly bad reviews from his colleagues and the 683 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.759 one execut especially in the one executive job that he's had, 684 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:22.519 which was HHS secretary under Biden, and you know, just 685 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:24.279 an exim like I think his housing policy, which was 686 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:26.839 also like he's very late to introduce any kind of 687 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.480 housing policy whatsoever until after ballots dropped, and then even 688 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.119 then it was like more Nimbi than Styr or Porter 689 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:34.440 or anything else. And now like I hope I'm wrong, 690 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.440 and if he wins, then like great, maybe he'll be 691 00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:39.839 a great governor. But I was like, I just it 692 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:44.960 prevented me from from voting Besarah Stier, like I'm more 693 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.519 confident in Stire. But even then, like on the experience question, 694 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.920 there is just something for me. It was like the 695 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:55.559 combination of he's never had any experience in elected office 696 00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:59.880 or governing anything and is a billionaire who basically like 697 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.559 you know, ran for president first flamed out there then 698 00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:09.720 spent just the GDP of a small country on this race, 699 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:12.240 and like, I think he hit like I like his 700 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.119 positions better than Bassara and a lot of the other candidates. 701 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.440 But I'm just like, there's just something a little icky 702 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:20.079 to me about it. And I am not as worried 703 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.160 if it's Steve Hilton versus Bassara or Styr because the 704 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.079 state's registration is going to take care of itself, and 705 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:27.359 there's just I just I'm it's not a concern I 706 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.200 have that Steve Hilton's going to become governor. So I 707 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:31.920 just voted for Katie Porter because I like her, and 708 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.200 it's like I realized that she has it is the 709 00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.880 least strategic head. It is the least strategic thing I 710 00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.640 could do. But Katie to me is like like I've 711 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.200 known her a while. The temperament with her staff stuff 712 00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:44.759 is obviously like it bothered me a lot because like 713 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:46.680 we've known her forever and I actually didn't know that 714 00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:49.319 until those stories came up. And I also don't think 715 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:51.440 she's gonna win at this point, But I'm like, who 716 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.599 do I want to be governor? She's thought about the 717 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:57.039 job a lot. She has like a really well fought 718 00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.440 out policy platform. She's actually worked on passing legis and 719 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.400 getting things done when she was in Congress, and I 720 00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.279 feel like she's just like done the work for the 721 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:05.759 job more than anyone else. 722 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:07.880 But if you would rather Tom, I feel the same way, 723 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:09.720 But I would rather like as of right now, and 724 00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:11.920 I want to talk to Javierbasara if he's willing now, 725 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.559 Like I think Javierbasia has said he wants to come 726 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:16.319 on the show, but he's hoping that he and Hilton 727 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:17.880 get through the other side, right And then of course 728 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:19.680 we're doing an interview about a Democrat versus a Republican, 729 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:21.640 which is very different than a conversation about a Democrat 730 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:22.400 versus a Democrat. 731 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.279 But as of right now, I think Tom. 732 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.160 Stier has answered some of the harder questions better than 733 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:29.279 Javier Bisarah. And if Sarah, I'm voting for him, and 734 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.200 if I'm trying to get the best, because I believe 735 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:32.680 you don't think I don't think Hilt's gonna be governor 736 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:34.640 of the state. I want the best person to be 737 00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.079 the governor of California, and right now, if there's I 738 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.680 want to see, and maybe also Pisarah having to beat 739 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:41.440 Tom Starr would make him a stronger candidate too. So 740 00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:43.960 that's that's my kind of hope that we can get 741 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.680 Tom Stire through this thing so that we have a 742 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.480 better debate on howvier Sarah has to be put through 743 00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:49.599 his paces if he is going to win. 744 00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:52.519 Yeah, I do feel like, you know, as sort of 745 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:55.960 blah as this race has been for governor, I am 746 00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:59.599 very open and hopeful that both like that either Stire 747 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.960 or Sarah will prove me wrong and become a great governor. 748 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:04.759 And you're right, maybe if it's be Sarah and Steyer 749 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:06.519 and a runoff, then there's even more time for them 750 00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.840 to duke it out and show their show that they're 751 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.800 ready for the job. We also got a mayoral race 752 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:17.039 going on here in La Love It. Interviewed challenger Nythia 753 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:20.320 Rahman for the show who we all know and I 754 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.519 supported Nythia donated to her, known her a long time. 755 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:26.639 We also reach out to Karen Bass, who has come 756 00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:28.639 on the show before, but she opted not to come 757 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.639 on before the primary. Nythia and Bass are in a 758 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.280 close race with reality TV personality turned mayoral candidate Spencer Pratt, 759 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.079 a registered Republican quasi endorsed by Trump, who said, I 760 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.400 like him. I hear he's mag I like them, And 761 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:46.239 Pratt was in New York over the weekend closing the campaign. 762 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.480 Like this, Then, even testing your drugs on a dog 763 00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:51.840 is the least of the worst of what these demons 764 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.679 are doing to these poor animals. They're lighting them on fire, 765 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:58.320 They're raping these dogs, they're abusing them, they're breeding them 766 00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:01.559 to the point that they die because they've been so overbred. 767 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.280 Sir, this is a Wendy's. 768 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:05.159 Yeah. 769 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.559 I don't doubt that there's horrible things happening to animals 770 00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:10.280 in some of these places, but what is It's very 771 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:11.719 weird that he decided to go to New York for 772 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.599 several days, I think, dropped thirty four thousand dollars on 773 00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.480 his hotel rooms, and left the state the week before 774 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:17.800 the election. 775 00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.119 Yeah, there's billboards all around, or at least I saw. 776 00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:24.119 I think I saw these two in downtown LA of 777 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.599 him saying, if you're you know dogs, vote for Spencer Pratt. 778 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:28.079 So he's trying to make this like the closing thing. 779 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:31.159 Whatever reason they think this is something that's going to 780 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:32.079 break through for them, I don't know. 781 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:34.480 I just think of this race, what do you think 782 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:34.599 of that. 783 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.079 Apparently Spencer Prat has already sold the rights to do 784 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.440 a reality show if if he becomes the mayor. Here's 785 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.639 Here's I think this applies to both the governor's race 786 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.440 and to the LA Mayor's race, which is when you 787 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.559 watch the debates, there is a and like Steve Hilton, 788 00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:54.840 Bianco pet Pratt, they are capturing what is a very 789 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.280 real frustration with democratic governance in this state, with mismanagement, 790 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.079 with a kind of fecklessness and lack of emotion and 791 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.239 passion for good government and making shit work work better, 792 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:09.440 work faster, like answer people's concerns. I don't think the 793 00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:12.719 answers that these Republicans are offering, or that Spencer Proud 794 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.320 are offering are what we need. But the fact that 795 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:18.360 there's an opening speaks to the failure of Democrats, both 796 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:21.920 on policy but also just as candidates to rise to 797 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.920 the to meet what is like real and deep frustration 798 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.119 with people in Los Angeles. They are all Democratic voters, 799 00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:31.440 for almost all Democratic voters, and they have real anger 800 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:35.000 about what they feel is the decline in Los Angeles. Now. 801 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.480 Like I think Nithia uh cares deeply about the city. 802 00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.079 I think that she is thinking hard about how to 803 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:44.480 actually address these issues. I think what has been a 804 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.360 challenge in both in that debate. I think with her 805 00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:49.559 on the campaign trail is you know, when I talked 806 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.559 to her, she made this point which I really resonated 807 00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:53.199 with me that like, there's this feeling when you talk 808 00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:56.360 about Karen Bassik, where's the energy, Where's the hunger, Where's 809 00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.840 like the speed, where's the sense of urgency rights? That 810 00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.039 was about the fires, but every everything else, and I 811 00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:02.840 wanted to see more of that from Nythia, And to 812 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.159 be honest, I feel like as a candidate she hasn't 813 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:09.599 shown the same kind of spirit that she's promising to 814 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.079 bring if she becomes mayor. But I do think that 815 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:13.880 she has thought a lot about how to address her 816 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.400 housing issues. She's thought a lot about what is has 817 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.559 allowed production to leave Los Angeles. I am voting for Nythia, 818 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.800 and my hope is that bass and Nythia make it 819 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:25.480 out of the primary so that the two of them 820 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.320 can go head to head and then I think that'll 821 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:29.360 be like a great contest. 822 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.280 Yeah, so I'm full disclosure. I'm a Nythia donor, mostly 823 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:34.400 because your wife asked me to be. But I voted 824 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.280 for Nythia too at the reason I'm mad about the 825 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.280 status quo too, Like I share a lot of Spencer's 826 00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:41.519 rage about the fires, especially the communications issues after the 827 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:43.199 fires are during the fires. I don't think he's the 828 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.039 answer to those problems, but I share his anger at 829 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.760 the frustration and the problem. It wasn't just that Mayor 830 00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:49.559 Bass was out of the country when the fire started, 831 00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.199 although that was extremely bad and kind of in my view, 832 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:54.960 was hard to forgive. But it's I think hard to 833 00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:58.880 overstate how bad the communication was from the city during 834 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:00.800 that period and how scared it was to live here 835 00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:02.639 when the sun would go down and the winds would 836 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:04.280 pick up and you'd lie in bed being like, am 837 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.880 I endangering my children by sticking around the city? You know, 838 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.079 like that's where people's heads were, and there was just 839 00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:11.840 like the communication wasn't just bad. Remember that night when 840 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:14.800 there was like four mistaken like fake amber alerts telling 841 00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:16.519 people who evacuate when they didn't need to, right, Like 842 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:18.840 that shit is unforgivable. So that is why I voted 843 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.400 for change. But if we're being honest, like I do, 844 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.159 think Nithias has struggled in this race. She has struggled 845 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:27.920 to articulate like clearly what she would do. She seems 846 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:29.960 to struggle to connect with voters on the campaign trail, 847 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.800 and then the debate was quite bad. Like Spencer Pratt 848 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.639 I think defined her as like a co incumbent at 849 00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:38.840 the debate and she didn't seem like a challenger. And 850 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:40.519 so if she makes the runoff, and I really hope 851 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.840 she does, she's got a lot of work to do 852 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.039 to get things back on track and to you know, 853 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.360 run a lot harder against whoever her opponent is and 854 00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.159 take back that kind of like insurgent like I'm not 855 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:53.440 the status quot message. 856 00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.519 It has seemed to me like in this race, we've 857 00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:01.840 ended up with three archetypes of Canada. It's that we 858 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.559 see across the country and have for the last like 859 00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:09.039 decade now, which in Bass you have someone who's very 860 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.840 much establishment along with all of the lack of energy 861 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.039 that comes with that, and she's kind of just, you know, 862 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:19.239 exactly like you know, running around bragging that like we've 863 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:23.039 reduced homelessness by seventeen percent, and everyone's like walking around 864 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:26.320 and you can see like seventeen percent and doesn't look 865 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.199 like seventeen percent, And is that a big number? And 866 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:33.320 has also been more nimbiyond housing, has sort of gutted 867 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.760 a lot of the housing reforms or hasn't pursued them, 868 00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:39.440 hasn't been a great communicator, and you know, is just 869 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:42.360 kind of in the job and doesn't communicate well or 870 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:46.039 a lot. And then in Nythia you have someone who 871 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:47.880 was like she this is like what I was just 872 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.800 saying about Katie Porter, right, who has really thought about 873 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.199 these issues, who I think is a wonderful public servant 874 00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:56.000 and I think could be a really good public servant, 875 00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.679 but like has not met the sort of performance for 876 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:04.280 late requirements of a candidate. And it is unfortunate that 877 00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:06.400 you can't just be ready to be good at the 878 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.679 job and be really smart and into the policy and 879 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:10.159 stuff like that, and that you also need to perform. 880 00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:12.360 But we've said this a million times on this show forever, 881 00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:14.360 like that's what you need. And we also have like 882 00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:16.280 a lot of Democrats like that across the country. And 883 00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:18.519 then in Pratt you have someone who, when there is 884 00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:22.239 democratic governance and a person in power does not fix 885 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.000 the problems that an area is facing. It is fairly 886 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:27.400 easy for a right wing populist who's good at getting 887 00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:29.480 attention and no one's better at getting attention than a 888 00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.519 reality TV star to come in and tell everyone, yes, 889 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.000 you are pissed, I'm pissed too, and if you elect me, 890 00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.679 then you can like stick it to the people in charge. 891 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.519 Even though his plans are not just cruel, they're just 892 00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:42.920 stupid and that he can't do them. They're against the law, 893 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:44.760 Like he doesn't have the power to do a lot 894 00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.599 of the shit he's talking about. He's just making a 895 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:49.000 bunch of fucking, you know, empty promises that he's not 896 00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:50.880 going to be able to fulfill if he wins. But 897 00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:53.079 no one cares about that. People care about like, Okay, 898 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:54.920 he's angry and I'm angry and that's enough. 899 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.920 It was so cool Wrinititia just like you know what, 900 00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.679 fuck it and drove down and said I'm gonna run 901 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.280 for mayor. And that was it was so exciting because 902 00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:05.679 it was like, you know what, she's nobody else is 903 00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.519 stepping up. People, no one, everyone is frustrated with Karen Bass. 904 00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:11.239 There's a collective judgment that Karen Bass just like just 905 00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:15.639 didn't bring u like the the energy and direction that 906 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.199 the city needs. And she's going to jump in and 907 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.280 be the one to do it. And I've wanted that 908 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.480 same energy in the campaign but just hasn't been there, 909 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.559 like with Bass, Like you know she I when I 910 00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:26.880 talked to her, I love her. Leave it. A couple 911 00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.280 of weeks right before she came out, she she ran 912 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.199 claiming she was not going to be an MB. She 913 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:33.719 put out some housing policies that were pretty good, but 914 00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:35.440 then they got watered down through consensus. 915 00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:36.960 Also sounds like what the Sarah did. 916 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.000 Right and then you and then she comes out against 917 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.719 SB seventy nine because that's what the city council is doing. 918 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.079 U took her years to put to put in charge 919 00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:48.840 somebody to make someone the bizarre of filming and in 920 00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:50.360 La right like she's. 921 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.000 Just built deputy may for housing and so like that 922 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:54.800 that to me, And you know, part of. 923 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:56.480 Why I think the campaigning does matter and why we 924 00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:58.079 why I think I want to see Nithiap be a 925 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.800 stronger candidate and a stronger campaigner is because in this moment, 926 00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:06.039 like in our in politics today, how you campaign showing 927 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:07.559 that you can do it. That's a big part of 928 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.000 what it is to be a mayor, like someone who's 929 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.039 gonna be out there every day, like hitting the message 930 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.800 someone's going to be like making news all the time, 931 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.079 showing people what you're doing, showing people what matters, right, Like, 932 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.960 it's not just about a kind of performance. 933 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:20.679 It's not just a show. 934 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:21.079 Yeah. 935 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.519 Now, I will say there's been a ton of uh, 936 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:27.159 you know, commentary on this race and analysis people talking 937 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:28.960 about it. I have no fucking idea what's going to 938 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.280 happen because it knows what this selector looks like. I 939 00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.280 know it's just And for people who don't know LA, 940 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.880 it is fifteen percent registered Republican right, And so even 941 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.039 if you know Spencer Patten, some of these polls is 942 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:43.199 getting like twenty percent away, between twenty and even as 943 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.559 high as thirty percent, that's still like nowhere what you'd 944 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:48.920 need to win a general election, certainly, and maybe not 945 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.440 even to advance in the primary. Also, the way LA 946 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.920 is set up, Santa Monica has its own Like if 947 00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.800 you're in Santa Monica or West Hollywood or Beverly Hills 948 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.880 or Pasadena, like you're not voting for mayor of LA. 949 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:02.599 A lot of people think they're proud voters, and then 950 00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:04.039 they're going to get to the polls and figure out 951 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:05.880 that they're not eligibly going to be very. 952 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.199 They're in LA County. It could end up so he 953 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.239 could either surprise us and do really well, or it 954 00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:12.920 could be this election where just a bunch of people 955 00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.000 who don't pay attention to politics at all in other 956 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.519 parts of LA just like dutifully vote for Karen Bass 957 00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.239 or Nithia, Like I just I don't know, so pretending 958 00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:22.519 that I know what's going to happen, it is. 959 00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.039 Just yeah, crazy, It's just it is an interesting window 960 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.119 into just sort of the zeitgeist of the electric I mean, 961 00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:29.920 where there is an anti incumbent rage across the country 962 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:31.800 right now, but we're in California state where there's all 963 00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:34.599 democratic governance, and so Spencer Pratt is from channeling that 964 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.199 in a different direction. It's interesting to see. It's also 965 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:39.840 interesting the way he is kind of exposing the incoherence 966 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.480 of the MAGA and the MAHA agenda. Like I remember 967 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.159 when they were very mad about the COVID vaccine, and 968 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:48.880 now Spencer Pratt is like, I will take all the 969 00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.039 drug addicts and I will lock them up for five 970 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.960 days or whatever and force them into treatments Like oh okay, 971 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.719 well that's different than the freedom agenda that we were 972 00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.119 talking about under Robert f NN you But okay, well 973 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:01.480 they don't. 974 00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:04.039 Well the way it's a freedom for me. 975 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:05.400 Not for the not for them. 976 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:07.880 I don't know if you guys are excited or looking 977 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:11.119 into any other races in California, But Michael Tubbs for 978 00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:14.559 Lieutenant governor, remember Crooked contributor and Form Cricket guests is 979 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.400 running for the lieutenant governor. Love Michael and and her 980 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.519 buddy Jake Levine is running against Brad Sherman Congress from 981 00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.400 Brad Sherman in the California thirty second which is Palisades 982 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.960 and upwards towards Zino in that area. So yeah, and 983 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:27.400 that's why we're giving him a good challenge. 984 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:29.639 And the hope they're right is that that he can 985 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.639 keep Sherman because Sherman is well known in that district 986 00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:35.880 and is expected to like sort of a and old. 987 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:36.360 He's old. 988 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.039 But if Jay can get it to keep him under 989 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.400 fifty and then they can go on to a Oh 990 00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:44.639 one other thing for people watching the returns, A lot 991 00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.599 of Democrats, including John Lovett here, have held onto their 992 00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:51.679 ballots till the very end, and California is always notoriously 993 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:57.119 late in counting ballots and so it's a high probability 994 00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:01.880 that this will have a red mirage in the voting 995 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:04.880 as the returns come in. Especially this year, someone did 996 00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.480 a party breakdown. I think it was Galen Druke that 997 00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:13.039 in twenty twenty two the final party breakdown was fifty 998 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:16.360 percent d twenty nine point five percent are nineteen point 999 00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.599 nine percent other right now, the party breakdown and the 1000 00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:21.519 ballots that have come in, and this is like election 1001 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:25.199 day basically forty five point nine percent, thirty three point 1002 00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:28.679 five percent, twenty point six percent, So it's already like 1003 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.599 it's it's off. And so the first ballots that are 1004 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:33.400 gonna be countered the ones that are already in, and 1005 00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:35.840 so now the electric could also be more red. But 1006 00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.320 I am I am already worried about the Spencer Pratt 1007 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.679 and who knows. Donald Trump could jump into and be 1008 00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:44.280 like we won and then suddenly we're being overtaken as 1009 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.119 the ballots are counted later in the week. So everyone 1010 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:46.880 should prepare for that. 1011 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:48.920 One possibility I think is like pretty high on the 1012 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:52.000 list of possibilities is on election at you have Biserah one, 1013 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.440 Hilton two. Now for a couple of days, it goes 1014 00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:58.400 with Sarah Styre, and then all of a sudden, Hilton 1015 00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:00.639 is saying, I was knocked out by the Denver machine. 1016 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:03.559 The good news is yeah, that message I think will 1017 00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.760 resonate nationally. 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Meet your match on ZipRecruiter. 1068 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:26.599 We also had more news over the weekend in the 1069 00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:29.320 main Senate race, where Graham Plattner is likely to win 1070 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.960 the nomination in next week's primary. Stories in The New 1071 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:34.039 York Times in The Wall Street Journal reported that as 1072 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.559 his campaign began last year, Platner's wife, Amy Gertner, told 1073 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:41.119 a campaign staffer that Platner had exchanged sexual messages with 1074 00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:44.039 several women, and this was after Plattner and Gertner were 1075 00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:46.440 married in late twenty twenty three, but that they had 1076 00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:50.119 stopped before the campaign began, and Platner and Girtner had 1077 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.440 gone through therapy. The entire situation is very messy. The 1078 00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:58.559 staffer that Platner's wife told Genevieve McDonald has since left 1079 00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.880 the campaign, and and she was the one who originally 1080 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:03.679 talked to the Wall Street Journal, and she's talked to 1081 00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:05.519 the New York Times, and she's become a public critic 1082 00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.599 of Platner. Plattner said that at least some of what 1083 00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:11.400 McDonald told the New York Times wasn't true, but both 1084 00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:14.119 he and his wife, Amy Gertner, and the campaign have 1085 00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:18.320 all confirmed the existence of the messages. And then Janet Mills, 1086 00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:22.840 who suspended her campaign in April, said in an interview 1087 00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:25.519 on Sunday that actually she's still on the ballot. And 1088 00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:30.360 she also just posted the first tweet from her campaign 1089 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:33.639 account since the tweet where she suspended her campaign, and 1090 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.880 it was a happy Pride Month tweet. Well that's sort 1091 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:41.000 of neither here nor there. I tried try or don't. Yeah, yeah, 1092 00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:42.199 you can't half run for office. 1093 00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:43.639 Come on what are you doing here? 1094 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:45.840 Well, you could make the argument that she kind of 1095 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:46.400 half ran. 1096 00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:48.880 In the first sation of the status quoes. 1097 00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:50.440 All right, what do you guys think about this latest 1098 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:52.480 development and how it might impact the race? 1099 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.800 I mean, I think the main risk for Platiner is 1100 00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.559 the cumulative impact of these stories and scandals along with 1101 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.239 the reddits, because I think main voters were I have 1102 00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.760 shown to be quite willing to give him the benefit 1103 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.320 of the doubt for the past reddit posts and accept 1104 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:09.719 his explanation that I was in a bad place, this 1105 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.199 happened in the past. I've grown, I've changed and moved on. 1106 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.760 You know. I think voters like, Okay, we get that 1107 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:19.639 this latest what are we calling it sexting scandal like 1108 00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:22.079 just stuff was very recent. We're talking like twenty twenty three, 1109 00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:27.559 and so I think these days sexual allegations of where 1110 00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:31.679 it's just infidelity or infidelity adjacent like don't tend to 1111 00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:35.760 be campaign ending, especially when Amy Gertner said this is 1112 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.519 a private matter, we worked through it, I love him, 1113 00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:41.199 I have a great marriage, etc. But I do worry 1114 00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:45.039 that the cumulative nature of this stuff might make voters 1115 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.320 think one like, is this guy good guy? And two 1116 00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:50.960 what else do we not know about him? And so 1117 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:55.440 I think Plattner's campaign can weather this. They will likely 1118 00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:58.920 weather this. I would recommend less criticism of the media 1119 00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:02.400 for covering the story thin it's a valid story to cover, and. 1120 00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:04.840 The New York Times and Wall Street Journal ultimately got 1121 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:05.719 the story right. 1122 00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:07.280 Right, And I would just say, you know, I think 1123 00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:08.519 you have to own it. You have to own that 1124 00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:11.519 this was shitty behavior. It was a mistake that we've 1125 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:14.280 moved that the two of them have worked through privately, 1126 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.239 and then in a few days from now, that's when 1127 00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:20.159 you sort of pivot to the message about getting back 1128 00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.199 to issues, because that's right, that's is what voters want 1129 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:23.880 to talk about. But there's going to be a period 1130 00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:25.880 of time where folks talk about this because it just broke. 1131 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.320 And I think you can't scold the press for covering 1132 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:31.639 a thing that was valid enough that your spouse brought 1133 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:33.679 it forward to your campaign staff to talk to them about, 1134 00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:37.239 so you know, it's fair game. Obviously, if Susan Collins 1135 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.519 was slinging nudes on Snapchat, like, we'd be talking about it, 1136 00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:40.559 you know what I'm saying. 1137 00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:43.840 So by the fault we might be we uh sorry, 1138 00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.800 all that said, like, I do think what plants got 1139 00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:52.360 that hammer and sickle tattoo too, Jenevieve McDonald, the former 1140 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:56.840 Platner staffer, did here is really shitty on a human level. 1141 00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:02.119 It's unethical. If I were Amy Girdner, I would be furious, 1142 00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:05.159 and so you know that part of it's pretty gross. 1143 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.760 Yeah, like if it Canada just had the Reddit stories, 1144 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:10.639 like I was going through a really tough time in 1145 00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:13.679 my life and I posted some heinous shit. It was 1146 00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:17.480 like and I regret it, but I've been through a 1147 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:19.360 lot of therapy. It had to do with my PTSD 1148 00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:21.480 and I'm on the other side of it. You'd be like, okay, 1149 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.360 Like people grow and they change the tattoo. You'd say, 1150 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:27.079 this was stupid tattoo. I didn't understand what it meant 1151 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:31.599 at the time. I'm covering it up, Like, Okay, early 1152 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.719 in my marriage, I was really I was in a 1153 00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:36.360 really shitty place and I was having these I was 1154 00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:39.320 I don't know what he was doing, sexting whatever. But 1155 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:42.400 my wife and I have worked through it and it's 1156 00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:45.679 a private matter. She's with We're together because we love 1157 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:48.599 each other, and that's all that should really count. You'd 1158 00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:51.400 say Okay, I feel like you add them all up together, 1159 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.239 and then there's all these insinuations that there's more coming, 1160 00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.440 more coming, more coming. You see why people would be concerned. 1161 00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:00.639 What I find like sort of hard about my mind 1162 00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.559 abound this is that, like why do we care about 1163 00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:05.400 red flags? Right? 1164 00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:05.519 Like? 1165 00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:08.360 All these are not What kind of center is he 1166 00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:08.679 gonna be? 1167 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.360 Is he a good person? Does he have our values? 1168 00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:13.599 Does he have a good character at root? Or is 1169 00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.679 he a flawed person who's made terrible mistakes who's trying 1170 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:19.039 to become a better person. Or is the insinuation that 1171 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:21.719 all of this adds up to evidence that he will 1172 00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.119 be a bad senator who's actually not going to do 1173 00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:26.079 the things he is claiming he's going to do, That 1174 00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:27.719 he's going to be a fetterman, right, that he's gonna 1175 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.440 disappoint us in some way, that he has like fundamental 1176 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:33.440 flaws And I don't know the answer to that. What 1177 00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:36.239 I'm amazed by is how many kind of active, hyper 1178 00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:39.000 engaged democrats online who would do shape how we talk 1179 00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:42.639 about these things, claim to know with such certainty about this, 1180 00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.880 right like they know they know, and they're so shocked 1181 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:48.519 that other people don't agree with them, and I I'm 1182 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:51.239 not a main voter, but a lot of this is 1183 00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:53.679 do you think he's a bad person? Do you think 1184 00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:55.679 that he's going to lose because of these stories? Which 1185 00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:57.480 is just another way of saying you think the voters 1186 00:53:57.480 --> 00:53:59.679 of Maine will think he's a person of bad character. 1187 00:53:59.719 --> 00:53:59.960 I don't. 1188 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.679 I don't know, but I just I find that it's 1189 00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:07.039 a lot of people kind of fighting over not whether 1190 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:09.400 or not Graham Plattner is going to do the things 1191 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:10.920 he says he's going to do, and it's the person 1192 00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:14.440 he claims to be now more kind of re litigating 1193 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:19.599 their arguments and anger at the factions of the party 1194 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:20.840 that they're always in dispute with. 1195 00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.639 Yeah, I was in thinking about this. I was trying 1196 00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:27.559 to separate out like my personal feelings about this with 1197 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:30.760 like my political analysis of what it means. And personally 1198 00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:34.000 it's like, you know, I think infidelity is a mistake 1199 00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:37.440 and it shows poor judgment. I also for me, it's 1200 00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:40.000 like it's not a deal breaker if a candidate with 1201 00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:43.480 past infidelity issues has worked through those with their spouse 1202 00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.440 to their spouse's satisfaction, which is the case here. It's 1203 00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:48.599 like still not great, but it's not a deal breaker 1204 00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:51.199 if it's a deal breaker for other people. I don't 1205 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:54.039 judge that either, Like you make your own determinations. I 1206 00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:56.800 think in terms of like the timeline when everything happened, 1207 00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:59.039 it is very clear to me, and I think it's 1208 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:02.840 probably clear to everyone now that Graham Platner did not 1209 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:04.719 think he was going to be a candidate for office 1210 00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:06.920 up until the minute he was a candid for office 1211 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:10.440 and lived his life accordingly, and probably you know, other 1212 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:12.480 people say, well, I didn't make mistakes like he did, 1213 00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:14.559 and I didn't get that kind of debt too correct, right, 1214 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.519 Like he he lived his life not thinking he would 1215 00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:19.559 ever be a candidate for public office, and then he 1216 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:21.119 ran for office, and then they were like, all right, 1217 00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.280 what's in the past, and all the stuff's coming out, 1218 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:25.800 including at the time he decided to run for office, 1219 00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:29.639 these messages which his wife brought up to the campaign. 1220 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:33.360 So again, all of the accusations and all the stories 1221 00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:36.880 about Platner have been from about behavior and things he 1222 00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:39.199 did before he started running for office, right, And so 1223 00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:43.079 for me, I think, okay, the whole like I've changed 1224 00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:44.760 and I have grown. It's not about like I was 1225 00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:46.920 a kid and did crazy things. It was I was 1226 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:48.440 never going to run for office, and now I'm running 1227 00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:49.760 for office and I'm trying to be your senator. So 1228 00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:51.360 what kind of senator are you going to be? 1229 00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:51.760 Right? 1230 00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.880 Politically, my analysis of this is you're right that like 1231 00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:59.400 these things start stacking on top of each other, and 1232 00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.639 I think that the larger issue for people becomes trust, 1233 00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:05.760 right because and this is where the is more going 1234 00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:09.320 to come out? Or why didn't the campaign, Like first 1235 00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:10.920 of all, some people like, why didn't the campaign tell 1236 00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:12.800 us this if they knew this. I don't think campaigns 1237 00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:14.920 are necessarily in the business of dumping all of the 1238 00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:17.159 opposition research they do on their own candidate. 1239 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:19.400 It's not incredibly personal, painful stuff. 1240 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:21.880 Right into the public like that doesn't usually happenly. 1241 00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:22.039 Not on this one. 1242 00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:23.800 She came up, Hey, just so you know, this is 1243 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:24.719 something that happened in our past. 1244 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:25.159 But we're good. 1245 00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:27.440 It's on an issue, we're together, we're happy. That is 1246 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.639 never of course they don't come up. That's a private manner. 1247 00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:34.480 Right, But I think that Look Andrew Kaczinski on the 1248 00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:37.880 tattoo story, like who's reporting I trust a lot and 1249 00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.159 is a very good reporter, has the you know, the 1250 00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:44.800 story that maybe Platner knew what the tattoos signified sometime 1251 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:46.840 after he got up up before he ran and that, 1252 00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:49.800 and you know, Platner's been a little sort of sketchy 1253 00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:53.960 on just explaining that, and now this one, it was like, well, 1254 00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:56.840 I think that she she told the you know, she 1255 00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:59.000 lied to the Times, and the time story wasn't right, 1256 00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.519 but it was. So there is this What I worry 1257 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:03.159 about and what I think about if I was them, 1258 00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:05.360 is like, there is a trust issue now that could 1259 00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:07.880 become a bigger trust issue. And I do think that 1260 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.079 the campaign and Platinum might think these issues don't matter 1261 00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:14.599 or they're private or whatever, but he has to now 1262 00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.039 work to build people's trust and keep people's trust between 1263 00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:21.400 now in November, because people, even people who like him, 1264 00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:24.280 are going to start to question, well is he telling 1265 00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:25.440 the full truth about everything? 1266 00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:26.159 Is there more? 1267 00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:27.360 Are they transparent? 1268 00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:27.960 You know? 1269 00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:30.599 Like, and that to me does bear on what kind 1270 00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:32.760 of senator you are. So I think the most important 1271 00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:34.800 thing for them is to like go and do the 1272 00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:36.559 work and like earn people's trust and take all the 1273 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.760 tough questions and give all the explanations you need until 1274 00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:41.960 people are bored asking the questions. 1275 00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:44.199 Yeah, I think you gotta probably be a little more 1276 00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.400 transparent on this one. Also, you know, I hear what 1277 00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:48.000 you're saying on how you're sort of think about this. 1278 00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:49.920 I don't think most people, though, draw a line when 1279 00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:52.000 you decided to run to office for kind of like 1280 00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:54.480 when they judge your decision making or the morality of 1281 00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:57.159 the city. I think I think if like the tattoo 1282 00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.280 is a bridge too far to you, I understand that 1283 00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:02.840 I'm not to tell you otherwise. I mean what I 1284 00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:05.079 you know, when I talk to him about this when 1285 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.960 we sort of they showed us the video, The thing 1286 00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:11.679 that I always stuck with me was he took his 1287 00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:14.360 shirt off and sang that song at his was it 1288 00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.000 brother's wedding, and his sister in law is Jewish, So 1289 00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:19.239 like you have to be a real asshole to do 1290 00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:21.880 that and display that tattoo kind of knowing full well 1291 00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.320 and being fully cognizant of what it meant at that wedding. 1292 00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:26.719 That to me was a convincing explanation. But I've read 1293 00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:29.840 Andrew's reporting to that maybe there's some questions at the timeline. 1294 00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:32.599 I think that's a fully, a totally reasonable thing to 1295 00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:34.960 wonder about. I think the threshold question is are there 1296 00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:38.079 other things in this guy's past that suggest he ascribes 1297 00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.960 to Nazi or fascist ideology? And that's where the Reddit 1298 00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:43.320 archive is actually quite useful. Yes, is what it shows 1299 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.480 is the exact opposite. I know, right, And then that's 1300 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:47.920 where I think people kind of refuse to kind of 1301 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:51.840 engage with this broader body of factual information that we 1302 00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.960 have when we want to assess what this man believes. 1303 00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:57.800 And I will say this is why I personally and 1304 00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:00.639 people have seen me do this online. But this is 1305 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:05.119 why I get more frustrated with people people's uh with 1306 00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.679 people being upset at the at the tattoo thing more 1307 00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:11.480 than if you're upset with all the old Reddit stuff 1308 00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:14.000 and you feel like he's apologized for that, but the 1309 00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:16.679 apology not accepted, then like that's your decision. And I 1310 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:20.039 understand that. If you're upset about this, this sexting scandal, 1311 00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.840 then like I understand that, but you're right, the tattoo thing, 1312 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:26.880 the guy just posted on Reddit again like he was 1313 00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:30.559 never running for office anonymously, has all these things that 1314 00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:32.960 he said that he's now regretting that are some offensive 1315 00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:36.039 whatever else. None of them even hinted that he has 1316 00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.519 a subscribes to any of this kind of idea sounds 1317 00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:41.199 like a COMMI and everyone's like Nazi. I saw it 1318 00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:42.679 when we yeah, when we were when you were about 1319 00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:44.280 to interview him, Tommy, and we saw the video. I 1320 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:46.440 was like, what's the problem. It's a skull and crossbones. 1321 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:47.840 Now everyone now can be like, you didn't know it 1322 00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:51.079 was a buck and blae it was. It was a 1323 00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:53.800 skull and crossbones. And I'm sure maybe if Andrew's story 1324 00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:57.440 is correct, then at some point someone said to Platner, hey, 1325 00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:59.400 that's skull and crossbones you've got. Did you know that's 1326 00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:01.320 a Nazi tad To him, he's probably like, well, I've 1327 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.519 been screened for the Army twice and they screened tattoos 1328 01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:05.800 for this and no one ever said anything. And I 1329 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.360 have a Jewish family. No one ever said anything. So 1330 01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:09.719 maybe he then googled it and was like, oh, yeah 1331 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.480 it is. But again was probably like, well what do 1332 01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:13.960 I like, I'm gonna go cover it up. I'm not, 1333 01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:14.480 And then he does. 1334 01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:16.559 Clearly something changed in they're thinking between when I talked 1335 01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:17.920 to him and a couple days later. So when I 1336 01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:19.440 talked to him, he's like, no, I did this this 1337 01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:21.800 is the deal. It was a stupid tattoo as an infantryman, 1338 01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:23.400 I was in Croatia, I was a dumb kid whatever, 1339 01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:25.320 And a couple days later he got it covered up right, 1340 01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:27.760 so like something occurred to him that oh, actually this 1341 01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:29.320 is a real problem that I should fix it. 1342 01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:30.800 This is where it's like to be able to sort 1343 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:32.800 of call him a Nazi. And it's like and then 1344 01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:34.519 then it's like you say, well, hold on a second, Like, 1345 01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:38.000 no one, you don't have to listen to anyone. You 1346 01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:40.360 don't have to believe anyone, you don't have to take 1347 01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:42.599 more information in, you don't have to have a nuanced view. 1348 01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:44.960 You can just call somebody a Nazi if you want. 1349 01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:48.039 The reason symbols matters is because they supposed to symbolize something, right, Like, 1350 01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:51.239 we battle about symbols on social media because it's that's 1351 01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:53.639 what the medium is for. It's for taking little tokens 1352 01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:56.440 of something and drawing a conclusion about it. It's very 1353 01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:58.840 small space, so we do it with symbols. But the 1354 01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:00.840 symbol has to mean something. It has to be a 1355 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:03.440 red flag of something like do you think he's a Nazi? 1356 01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:05.920 Of course you don't. Of course you don't you think, 1357 01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:07.719 maybe think he's a stupid tido, maybe think he didn't 1358 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:09.599 care enough about it being a Nazi tattoo. That's a 1359 01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:12.079 fair argument. Maybe he was pointed out and take it 1360 01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:12.719 serious enough. 1361 01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:13.639 That's okay. 1362 01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:15.400 All of It's like just but like, can we just 1363 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.679 have an honest conversation about it rather than like it's 1364 01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:20.000 a no for me because. 1365 01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:20.920 Of the tattoo. 1366 01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.239 It's like, okay, you're free to do that. We're just 1367 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:25.199 gonna We're just gonna have the rest of the conversation 1368 01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:26.400 even if you don't want to have it. 1369 01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:30.480 Also, the other thing, and I think ultimately here, this 1370 01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:32.119 is up to the people of Maine, and this is 1371 01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:34.719 up to the voters of Maine. And if this whole 1372 01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:36.719 time he was going down and down and down and 1373 01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:38.400 down in the polls and people and people are not 1374 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:41.920 buying this, and I'm like, okay, then then he shouldn't 1375 01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:45.079 be the nominee. And like even Mills stayed in the 1376 01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:46.840 race because she wanted to fight it out. Well, so 1377 01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:49.159 even even Mills now saying like I'm technically still in 1378 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:51.079 the race and whatever, like that's fine if she wants 1379 01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:53.239 to campaign for the last week and and if she's 1380 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:55.159 on the ballot. We're gonna be talking about this race 1381 01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:57.920 on June ninth. If the people of Maine now decide 1382 01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.199 that they want Janet Mills instead of Graham plattin her 1383 01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:03.360 because of this last scandal and everything else, then like 1384 01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:05.920 they should do that, and then then the National Party 1385 01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:08.079 should get behind Janet Mills and will be off to 1386 01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:10.320 November problem which she quits going to. 1387 01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:12.159 Say because she saw the writing on the wall, because 1388 01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:13.719 because she because she didn't want to go down in 1389 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:15.119 her last race, which is fine. 1390 01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:17.320 But Planner gets a ton of votes in the primary 1391 01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:19.639 and still does really well, then like that's what the 1392 01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:22.480 people of Maine wanted, and they met him and they didn't, 1393 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:24.880 you know, it wasn't just online discourse, like they met him. 1394 01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:26.320 So we gotta we got to kind of take the 1395 01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:27.360 lead of the people in Maine. 1396 01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:29.639 Yeah, so there's a lot of like a, I know, 1397 01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:31.880 we're all used to losing and being fucking losers, and 1398 01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:34.360 we cook a loser mentality, and like a loser mentality 1399 01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:37.079 is like I like, this is bad. 1400 01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:38.519 We have to do something else. I'm scared. 1401 01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:39.000 I don't like this. 1402 01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:40.639 This is bad. I'm done with this. We can't do this. 1403 01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:42.239 We have to do something else, and it's like, guys, 1404 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:44.639 he's if there, if there was someone else running, you 1405 01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:46.239 could have a debate and maybe vote for somebody else. 1406 01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:47.840 He's right now the only person that's kind of putting 1407 01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:49.880 up a fight for this race. If you want to 1408 01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:51.360 say that Janet Mill should get back in, if you 1409 01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:53.559 want to say that he should drop out, whatever, say 1410 01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:55.400 what you want. But really what you're saying is I'm 1411 01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:56.559 worried he's going to lose. 1412 01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.039 Well, people are so comparing to like that. Well, people 1413 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:00.880 push Biden out and they thought that Biden di is 1414 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:03.239 a thron bound like but that was the opposite because 1415 01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:07.400 in that scenario, the whole country didn't want Biden, and 1416 01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:10.039 Biden and his campaign were saying, yes, yes, you will 1417 01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:12.400 get him no matter what. Well, that was this is 1418 01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:14.440 a this is a this is a flip thing where 1419 01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:16.480 where the voters of men are like, no, no, we 1420 01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:18.519 like him, and then other people are worried about it. 1421 01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:20.280 You know, it's just a different the Biden thing is. 1422 01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:23.159 So it could come to that when people when's their 1423 01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:24.159 minds when nobody. 1424 01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:26.519 Was challenging Biden and Biden was the nominee, and it 1425 01:03:26.599 --> 01:03:28.079 still seemed like there was a chance he could win. 1426 01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:30.360 That was actually when we when we would talk about 1427 01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:32.360 how we were concerned he wasn't addressing his age issues. 1428 01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:33.599 But he's going to be the person, so we've got 1429 01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:35.519 to do everything we can to help him win because 1430 01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:37.199 he's the only person that we're going to have. Then 1431 01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:39.320 he eats shit in that debate. Joe Biden thought he 1432 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:40.880 was having a stroke. Didn't tell us at the time. 1433 01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:41.920 Okay, babe, but. 1434 01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:45.199 But but then it was now clear that he could 1435 01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:46.960 not win, and so it was time to do something 1436 01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:50.119 in an emergency because it was pragmatic. It was crazy, 1437 01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:52.920 it was it was risky, but it was actually pragmatic 1438 01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.199 because it was the only hope of winning the election. 1439 01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:57.360 Nobody can make that argument right now, based on the 1440 01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:58.400 polls around Grand Platter. 1441 01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.360 They just can't. Yeah, all right, so that's that. I'm 1442 01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:03.559 sure we won't talk about that anymore between now. In November. 1443 01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.199 One more thing we couldn't resist. Over the weekend, The 1444 01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:09.960 New York Times published a brutal and hilarious report titled 1445 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:12.920 is jd Vance the twenty twenty eight front runner? Trump 1446 01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:15.960 has questions? According to the Times, Trump is quote not 1447 01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:18.280 so sure about Vance. Trump has pointed out that Vance's 1448 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:21.239 political success has largely depended on Trump's support, that Vance 1449 01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:24.079 takes too many vacations, that Vance opposed the war in Iran, 1450 01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:27.920 and that Vance frankly sometimes doesn't look or act very presidential. We, 1451 01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:30.239 of course, didn't want to be unfair to JD, so 1452 01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:32.280 we thought we'd checked the tape of some of the 1453 01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:33.079 moments in question. 1454 01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:37.840 Let's let's play JD budge into conversations I want to 1455 01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:39.480 have I want to have that for at least a 1456 01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:47.280 couple of days. Okay, okay. 1457 01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:52.920 My wife has the right to skydippe, but doesn't jump 1458 01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:53.199 out of. 1459 01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:55.280 An airplane because she and I have an agreement that 1460 01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:55.639 she's not. 1461 01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:57.199 Going to do that, because I don't want my wife 1462 01:04:57.280 --> 01:04:59.199 jumping out of an airplanefull. They say it's racist to 1463 01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:03.000 do anything. I had a diet mountain dew yesterday and 1464 01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:04.920 one today. I'm sure they're gonna call that racist too. 1465 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:05.760 But what is uh? 1466 01:05:06.039 --> 01:05:08.119 This? What is Zach? 1467 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:09.519 You're gonna have to help me out with her name here? 1468 01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:13.960 I lost my page here? Okay, all right now, you 1469 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:15.960 can't put me on the vice Press the United States. 1470 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:27.840 Oh yeah, great, Oh my god, that's so funny. 1471 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:29.039 What did you guys think of the story. 1472 01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:31.639 I love this story so much. JD Vance is just 1473 01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:34.039 the gimpt from pulp fiction. Trump wheels them out that 1474 01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:37.199 little box, humiliates, and puts them back in. The details 1475 01:05:37.239 --> 01:05:39.920 are so funny, Like the man who spends one third 1476 01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:42.079 of his time at mar a Lago thinks JD. Vance 1477 01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:46.599 takes too many vacations. Delicious. I love that Trump thought 1478 01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:50.639 the trophy incident that we just watched there twice was 1479 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:53.320 as embarrassing as we all did, and that it's just 1480 01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:56.599 like exposed. JD is just like a phony, non sports 1481 01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:57.159 fan loser. 1482 01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:57.840 I love this. 1483 01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:01.360 Susie Wiles took away JD's phone privilege and texting or 1484 01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:04.000 tweeting like he's some you know, like her teenage son 1485 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:04.679 got in trouble. 1486 01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:05.440 Uh. 1487 01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:09.360 That clip of Trump scolding JD for talking and meetings 1488 01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:13.920 and not acting like some like CCP commissar is beautiful, 1489 01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:16.320 like they set him up they would do, like his 1490 01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:19.639 failure tour. It was the Iran talks, the Victor orbon 1491 01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:23.719 campaign stop uh, and Theanna Republicans trying to job owned 1492 01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:26.320 them into redistricting failure failure failure. 1493 01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:26.960 Uh. 1494 01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:30.199 He killed Pope Francis. People forget about that, but Jade 1495 01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:33.440 Vance was so annoying to Pope Francis. Yeah, he did 1496 01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:36.239 get us a better pup, which who he then now 1497 01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:39.880 you a taxi, don't be a shut up and dribbled 1498 01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:43.400 and like ultimately, like this is a win win for Trump, 1499 01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:47.239 right because if whoever comes next to his jd or Rubio, whoever, 1500 01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:48.880 if they win, Trump will say that's because of me. 1501 01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:52.400 If they lose, he'll say, can't win without Trump. Right, 1502 01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:54.760 So he's pumped no matter what. But it is so 1503 01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:57.519 fun watching him just just fuck with these guys. 1504 01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:02.320 One other thing that jumped out to is, uh, the 1505 01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:04.880 article just states it as a fact that I didn't 1506 01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:06.480 really it wouldn't have occurred to me as a fact 1507 01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:09.000 that Trump is just spending more time with Rubio than 1508 01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:10.760 he is with Jade Vance because Rubio is, of course 1509 01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:14.119 not just Secretary of Sadies, he's he's National Security advisor. 1510 01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:15.000 And JD. 1511 01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.599 Vance can't ride on the plane with Trump because he's 1512 01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:19.440 vice president. Vice president can't go on Air Force one 1513 01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:21.880 with the President just doesn't happen, and so he's a 1514 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:23.199 little bit outside of things. 1515 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:26.559 I will say that the like the JD. Vance his 1516 01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:28.119 whole life just having fomo. 1517 01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:31.079 The Yeah, the Vance probably has more power in the 1518 01:07:31.119 --> 01:07:34.480 Trump administration than Kamala Harris did in the Biden administration. 1519 01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:37.519 I would say, uh, like he is more actively involved. 1520 01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:39.079 He's in the room for big decisions. 1521 01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:41.960 I think they've given him almost as annoying jobs though, 1522 01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:43.679 for sure, for sure, but I think they actually listen 1523 01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:44.280 when he says. 1524 01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:46.800 Stuff, I'm gorn that's true. 1525 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:48.239 Well, yeah, fair enough. 1526 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:50.719 But I mean even though he was by the end, 1527 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:52.880 Vance was saying he was in favor of doing if 1528 01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:55.320 we're going to big, big or go home, So even 1529 01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:56.519 he tried to stand on the right side of that. 1530 01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:59.360 But anyway, uh, I think like what Trump sees is 1531 01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:01.800 what we see is like Vance can't help but reveal 1532 01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:02.280 his nature. 1533 01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:04.000 He can't help it. He can't help it. 1534 01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:05.719 He can't go into a donut shop and be normal. 1535 01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:07.840 He doesn't know how to talk to people because he's 1536 01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:10.000 putting on a show. But they're like that, that like 1537 01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:14.239 ambitious little nerd, that kind of like that that that 1538 01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:17.039 thing inside of him, it just can't stop from coming out, 1539 01:08:17.079 --> 01:08:19.960 and it makes everyone, including Trump, uncomfortable. 1540 01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:20.840 And I love it. I just I just want to 1541 01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:24.439 zoom in again on the social media part with my 1542 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.800 my Twitter pen pal jad Vance. This is what the 1543 01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:31.800 Time says in meetings. Mister Vance frequently scrolls his phone 1544 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:33.960 and he uses social media to fight with his critics. 1545 01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:36.800 The President frequently posts a truth social but he does 1546 01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:39.720 not spend time replying to people online as mister Vance does. 1547 01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:43.039 I just love that they have separated out the kind 1548 01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:47.039 of poster. Yeah, like reply, guy Trump's out there. He's 1549 01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:51.680 posting like thirty times a night. Yeah, yeah, he's he's 1550 01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:53.920 a producer. Really, he's just putting it up, and mister 1551 01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:57.880 Vance is there just replying to people online. Susan Wilds 1552 01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:00.560 and the other staff have all gotten together to tell 1553 01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:03.359 him to have an intervention and say that that the 1554 01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:05.000 fighting was beneath his office. 1555 01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:07.039 See I did than anyone in that fucking building is 1556 01:09:07.039 --> 01:09:08.720 going to tell anyone what's beneath the office. 1557 01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:10.359 And yes they do. 1558 01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:10.720 I know that. 1559 01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:11.199 I believe it. 1560 01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:12.840 I know, I absolutely believe it. 1561 01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:14.159 But they made him say it was for lent. 1562 01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:14.920 Yeah, I know. 1563 01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:18.239 I liked it so much. I just kept it off 1564 01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:19.840 my phone, giving up for lent. 1565 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:22.239 Sure. I love that. I love that I took it 1566 01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:22.760 off my phone. 1567 01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:25.319 Finally, you did this weekend. I'm part of you. Yeah, 1568 01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:27.720 it was the Plantner stuff that did it. 1569 01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:29.479 I was like, yeah, that discourse is real. 1570 01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:32.279 I saw starting blowing up. It was like, I'm just 1571 01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:34.239 gonna I was going to save my thoughts for Monday. 1572 01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:36.800 I was like, I can't have a grand Platner thing. 1573 01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:40.199 And then and then two fights going on. Dave Portnoy 1574 01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.279 tweets at me and then Nira with like five tweets. 1575 01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:43.880 I was like, I'm done. 1576 01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:47.920 Yeah, it's like the quadrennial then phone quadrennial tweet review, 1577 01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:49.319 where like, you can't be fight. You have to be 1578 01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:51.560 able to hold one front and also win on another 1579 01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:52.520 front at the same. 1580 01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:53.880 But I've said this more. I was like the JD 1581 01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:55.880 Evans thing. Yeah, I'll fight with JD Vance only no, 1582 01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:57.960 not that this is the what I did this week. 1583 01:09:58.000 --> 01:09:58.520 I was not good. 1584 01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:00.479 Okay, not good. It's not fun nice to do, isn't 1585 01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:02.520 it that? When we come back New Jersey Senator Andy 1586 01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:04.119 Kim will talk to me about the conditions at an 1587 01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:06.640 iced detention center in Newark, where he was also pepper 1588 01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:16.840 sprayed by federal agents. Podze of America is brought to 1589 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:18.920 you by Quints. 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Some have 1622 01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:53.159 started a hunger strike over the conditions. You tried to 1623 01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:56.199 visit last Sunday, were turned away, got in on Monday, 1624 01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:58.279 Memorial Day, and then by the end of the day 1625 01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:01.159 you got pepper sprayed by federal agent. Can you just 1626 01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:04.079 walk us through that whole experience and what you saw. 1627 01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:07.279 Yeah, absolutely, Well, thanks for shying a light on this 1628 01:12:07.399 --> 01:12:09.039 because this is a problem not just for us in 1629 01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:12.560 New Jersey, but all over this country. This is a 1630 01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:15.720 facility it has about eight hundred right now, several hundred 1631 01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:19.319 of them participating in the hunger sprite and the broader protests. 1632 01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:21.960 But I has been able to go there a couple 1633 01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:24.039 of times, and look, you know, some of the things 1634 01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:27.760 that I've heard most recently. You know, these are people 1635 01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:31.439 that are, for instance, a man telling me that he's 1636 01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:34.399 got stage three lung cancer, doesn't want to be there anymore, 1637 01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:37.119 willing to go back to his home country, but not 1638 01:12:37.279 --> 01:12:39.479 being allowed to do so, not getting the medical care 1639 01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:42.239 that he needs. You know, there's a pregnant woman there 1640 01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.239 telling me that she's not getting the medical care that 1641 01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:47.880 she needs as she's gearing up to have a baby. 1642 01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:49.960 And she's literally looking me in the eye and she's saying, like, 1643 01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:51.680 do I need to be prepared to have a baby 1644 01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:55.760 here in Delaaney Hall? You know, she has no movement 1645 01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:58.920 on her case, you know, no understanding what's happened next 1646 01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:02.640 in the courts. You know. The woman that was translating 1647 01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:04.720 this for me, you know, turned out to be an 1648 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:08.239 eighteen year old high school senior who's in there by herself. 1649 01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:10.920 I actually talked to her mom outside of Delady Hall, 1650 01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:13.840 and she's worried, sick. You can imagine, you know, having 1651 01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:16.920 your daughter, an eighteen year old high school senior in 1652 01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:21.399 a detention facility by herself. You know, this is a 1653 01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:23.760 young woman who was telling me all she wanted to 1654 01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:26.119 do is go to the prom and graduate from high 1655 01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:29.199 school this year. And so like when Trump's telling you 1656 01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:31.680 these are the worst of the worst, telling you that 1657 01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:35.359 he's going after the violent criminals, you know, I wanted 1658 01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:38.199 the people across this country to just hear what I'm 1659 01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:43.399 hearing inside the facility. And sure they're complaining and raising 1660 01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:46.119 the concerns about the medical care or the lack of 1661 01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:49.960 medical care, about the you know, the horrible problems where 1662 01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:51.800 they're having with food. Like one man ran up to 1663 01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:54.199 me with a milk carton and showed me what was 1664 01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:57.279 inside and it was just congealed solid on the inside 1665 01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:01.560 and was disgusting. And you know, they're raising concerns about 1666 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:03.640 the extreme heat that they're feeling, and I felt it too, 1667 01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:06.720 as I'm sweating there in their room and it wasn't 1668 01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:10.079 even a particularly hot day. But what they were also 1669 01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:12.600 flagging is just like the lack of any movement on 1670 01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:14.560 their cases. I mean, some of them in there for 1671 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:16.840 eight months, some of them in there for over a year, 1672 01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:20.960 not having any movement forward in any credible way. You know, 1673 01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:23.199 one man ran to the hallway and grabbed a piece 1674 01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:26.640 of paper off the bulletin board and you know, showed 1675 01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:28.359 it to me. And they showed me that like on 1676 01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:30.359 one day, you know, when courts came back in the 1677 01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:32.680 session after the Memorial Day weekend. On one day, on 1678 01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:36.520 that Tuesday, this one Jaws had seventy four cases before 1679 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:40.479 her in you know, you know, in just one day, 1680 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.119 and like you know, like I did the back of 1681 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:45.039 the napemath, that's like about five minutes per case. I mean, 1682 01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:49.960 it's a farce of a legal process. That's just you know, 1683 01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:54.199 keeping them there while you know, while these conditions are terrible, 1684 01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:57.159 not moving anything forward. And who's paying the bill. It's us. 1685 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:01.399 It's a taxpayer dollars that are that are paid, you know, Geogroup, 1686 01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:05.279 you know, millions and millions of dollars to run these facilities. 1687 01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:07.119 So that's you know, that's that's at least what I 1688 01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:08.560 saw inside. 1689 01:15:08.720 --> 01:15:12.920 First of all. That is just horrific, And it seems 1690 01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:17.199 like the delay in hearing these cases is both a 1691 01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:21.840 function of how many people they are detaining. Clearly not 1692 01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:24.119 the worst of the worst, but a whole bunch of 1693 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:27.399 other immigrants, some of whom I imagine could be here 1694 01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:31.920 legally as well as just the sort of failure to 1695 01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:38.920 properly resource the immigration courts with enough judges and to 1696 01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:42.840 properly resource these facilities. Is that is that what you 1697 01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:43.800 took away from it as well? 1698 01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:46.199 Yeah? Absolutely, I mean, like, look, you know some of 1699 01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:49.119 this is absolutely just a lack of investment. I mean, 1700 01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:52.760 like where like as they're surging up ICE and CBP 1701 01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:55.199 through the reconciliation bill and I'm you know, down here 1702 01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:57.439 the Capitol now because they're about to try to push 1703 01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:01.680 another you know, sixties seventy billion dollar towards the enforcement side, 1704 01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:05.279 But where's the energy towards towards the courts. You know, 1705 01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:08.239 we already had millions of cases of backlog that was 1706 01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:10.279 going to take a decade or so just to be 1707 01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:12.640 able to get through. Like we all know that we 1708 01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:15.279 need to invest in the courts, that we can have 1709 01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:18.840 a judicial process that can hopefully take on these cases 1710 01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:22.880 in a matter of days and weeks rather than years 1711 01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:26.439 or even longer. And that should you know, that backlog 1712 01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:29.239 is what is putting so much strain on our system, 1713 01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:32.159 and it's costing us so much. So that's part of it. 1714 01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:34.119 But like, look, you can't help but think through I mean, 1715 01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:36.600 like this is Geogroup. You know, for those that don't 1716 01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:38.920 you know, may not be following this, Geogroup's a for 1717 01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:43.159 profit company that runs this facility, runs nineteen other facility, 1718 01:16:43.159 --> 01:16:47.000 about twenty facilities around this country in charge of detaining 1719 01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:51.640 over twenty thousand people for ICE. You know, this is 1720 01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:54.760 a group that you know, is just making money off 1721 01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:57.520 of this all. They're just printing money off of this all. 1722 01:16:57.840 --> 01:16:59.960 You know, they're getting paid by the bed, by the day. 1723 01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:02.920 You know, so they're not certainly complaining about this process. 1724 01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:06.039 And like when you you can't help but think like 1725 01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:10.039 look when Tom Holman comes from Geogroup into the White 1726 01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:13.159 House to run this process, when they just chose actually 1727 01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:15.079 today is the first day of the new head of 1728 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:18.479 ICE that they just picked and it came again straight 1729 01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:20.880 from Geogroup. You know, Like you can't help but think 1730 01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:26.239 like this revolving door of just profiting off of this, 1731 01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:29.479 you know, human misery. You can't help but think like 1732 01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:32.239 this is the point that they are trying to make 1733 01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:36.039 things so bad for the detainees there that detainees just 1734 01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:40.479 give up and sign whatever papers that they want or whatnot, 1735 01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:43.359 and you know, and I felt that they're like there 1736 01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:45.680 was just so little accountability, Like as you said, I 1737 01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:49.399 tried to get into the facility on Monday, early in 1738 01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:52.039 the day. I tried to get in. I actually even 1739 01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:54.439 let them know ahead of time and God approval to 1740 01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:56.520 be able to go into the facility. That day, I 1741 01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:58.960 show up the gates and the Geogroup guards are just 1742 01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:01.359 like Nope, like you're not allowed in. 1743 01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:06.720 And You're like, I'm a US Senator and I've had. 1744 01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:11.520 This this authorization by law as well as the permission 1745 01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:13.880 to come out. I literally had to call Secretary Mark 1746 01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:15.840 Wayne Mullett. I talked to him and told him, like, 1747 01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:18.600 let me inside, like I have a right to be inside. 1748 01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:22.159 And so finally they let me inside and I go inside, 1749 01:18:22.279 --> 01:18:24.119 and I talked to the head of Geogroup in the 1750 01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:26.239 facility and I told him, by the way, your guards 1751 01:18:26.479 --> 01:18:29.079 just told me that I can't come inside. And he 1752 01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:31.399 just looked at me. He said, you're a liar. He 1753 01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:34.279 just literally to my face called me a liar. I 1754 01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:35.880 mean like that, I give you that, not because it 1755 01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:37.760 was insulting to me, but I give you that because 1756 01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:41.680 I want you to understand, like that the kinds of 1757 01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:46.039 dynamics that there are, like that that that situation was 1758 01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:50.199 very indicative to me of the lack of just the 1759 01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:55.079 lack of care about any accountability or transparency, Like they 1760 01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:59.520 don't feel geog Group, doesn't feel beholden to the American people, 1761 01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:03.680 certainly doesn't feel beholden to Congress. And that is, you know, 1762 01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:07.880 that is because of just this dynamic between ICE and 1763 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:11.880 groups like Geogroup and cour Civic and these other companies, 1764 01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:14.640 like they're just in a world and a league of 1765 01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:17.119 their own. They're just like operating off on their own. 1766 01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:20.840 And because you know, Speaker Johnson and others are just 1767 01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:23.680 giving them that kind of carblanche. They were just in 1768 01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:26.640 some you know, in some world of their own and 1769 01:19:26.840 --> 01:19:29.760 feel nothing, you know. And then so when I and 1770 01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:33.279 then when I came out from that facility and was 1771 01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:35.920 alerted by my team and the people on the ground 1772 01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:38.439 that there was now like a standoff of people outside. 1773 01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:40.760 So not only is there chaos inside Delaneyal, but now 1774 01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:44.000 I come out and emerge outside and see that there's 1775 01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:47.239 a standoff between ICE agents. You know, they have a 1776 01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:50.000 row of ICE agents that are armed they have an 1777 01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:53.680 armored vehicle they and they're you know, just on a 1778 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:57.720 standoff with the protesters there. I mean, look, you know, 1779 01:19:57.920 --> 01:20:04.800 like my idiot concern was like this cannot become Minnesota. 1780 01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:07.720 We saw what happened to Renee Good and Alex pretty. 1781 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:11.479 I was terrified that, you know, we're gonna see that 1782 01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:17.600 type of violence and potentially bloodshed in the streets. So 1783 01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:19.520 I was trying to figure out, like, is there any 1784 01:20:20.119 --> 01:20:22.119 any way to be able to off ramp this. Is 1785 01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:25.960 there any way we can be able to the lower 1786 01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:30.600 the temperature? And I was talking to to the head 1787 01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:32.520 of ICE outside there, and at some point he just 1788 01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:34.720 told me, look, look, we're going to just drive these vehicles, 1789 01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:38.680 our vehicles out And I looked across the field there 1790 01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:41.640 and I said, like, you cannot just simply plow your 1791 01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:45.880 vehicles through a crowd of civilians, Like you have to 1792 01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:48.079 try to figure out, you know, how we can try 1793 01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:51.079 to do this without the violence. And look, I was 1794 01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:53.079 trying to see if there's any arrangement. But like again, 1795 01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:55.640 like it shouldn't be just on me, like when it 1796 01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:59.319 comes to de escalation, like what role are their officers 1797 01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:03.039 supposed to play? And that's what I think was so alarming. 1798 01:21:03.640 --> 01:21:06.840 John Is like there was just like, at some point, 1799 01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:11.119 just a feeling of inevitable violence, and it was just 1800 01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:16.079 so jarring to me, Like the ease with which I 1801 01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:20.640 just went out and drove their vehicles literally through a crowd, 1802 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:24.000 just not even like, not even putting effort to try 1803 01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:29.000 to avoid that circumstance. It shouldn't be that easy to 1804 01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:31.560 have violence in the streets of America, Like, it shouldn't 1805 01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:36.039 be that easy for federal agents that are supposed to 1806 01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:38.840 swear the same oath that I swear about protecting and 1807 01:21:38.920 --> 01:21:42.800 defending the Constitution and supporting the American people to find 1808 01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:45.159 themselves in a circumstance. So it's just like, you know, 1809 01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:47.960 I saw this unfold and immediately, you know, my instinct 1810 01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:51.680 was to run run into it and try to put 1811 01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:55.560 myself between the ICE agents and the crowd. I was 1812 01:21:55.600 --> 01:21:58.840 trying to keep that physical separation because that is where 1813 01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:03.880 we saw so much of of the violence escalate in Minnesota. 1814 01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:07.239 If I could at least keep them physically separated, you know, 1815 01:22:07.319 --> 01:22:10.479 perhaps we could avoid the worst. But it was, it was, 1816 01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:13.479 it was, it was so jarring. It was it was 1817 01:22:13.520 --> 01:22:17.720 really scary just to see that type of violence in 1818 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:21.720 my state, frankly anywhere in the country, and to know that, 1819 01:22:22.199 --> 01:22:24.800 you know, this is still could very well be, you know, 1820 01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:29.399 a problem that we see continue in my state and elsewhere. 1821 01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:33.199 And so because you put your body in between the 1822 01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:39.039 protesters and the ICE agents, the federal agents, eventually they 1823 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:43.119 started shooting pepper balls. I believe that there's one that 1824 01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:48.399 struck by your feet, and and you know you inhaled 1825 01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:54.159 it as well. Secretary Mullen and DHS are saying, uh, 1826 01:22:54.920 --> 01:22:56.920 just a number of things that that don't seem to 1827 01:22:56.960 --> 01:23:00.119 be true and certainly are not your account. That there 1828 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:03.760 is no hunger strike, that the complaints are about certain 1829 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:06.079 inmates not getting or certain people that are being held 1830 01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:09.239 by the facility not getting their ethnic food of choice, 1831 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:13.880 That the conditions aren't bad, that nobody was directly struck 1832 01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:17.279 by pepper balls. About you, what do you make of 1833 01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:20.399 just the what they're saying about all. 1834 01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:24.159 Of this, Well, well, first of all, just again, like 1835 01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:26.800 I saw what I saw, Like I talked to the people, 1836 01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:29.479 that there is a hunger strike going on inside and 1837 01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:34.039 a larger protest, and there are certainly people that are 1838 01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:38.199 not getting basic care, you know, like like again, they're not. 1839 01:23:38.439 --> 01:23:41.680 They're not asking for the moon. They're they're they're asking 1840 01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:47.640 for just a certain baseline of human dignity as as 1841 01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:51.159 we're going, especially as we're again keeping them there for 1842 01:23:51.560 --> 01:23:54.279 indefinite amounts of time. I mean, there was I was 1843 01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:56.760 in the medical isolation area and there was a man 1844 01:23:56.840 --> 01:23:59.279 there in a wheelchair. He hadn't left that room in 1845 01:23:59.439 --> 01:24:02.600 four months because like that facility is just not meant 1846 01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:05.279 to handle someone with a wheelchair. So they're like, you're 1847 01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:08.359 stuck in this room now, like you know, and like 1848 01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:11.800 not able to go to go and leave. He was like, 1849 01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:14.600 can I at least be at a hospital? And frankly, look, 1850 01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:16.760 there was actually someone who was sent to a hospital, 1851 01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:19.359 a woman that was sent to a hospital for quite 1852 01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:21.000 for no, quite a number of days. By the time 1853 01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:22.800 I got there was like day twelve or fourteen. The 1854 01:24:22.880 --> 01:24:25.680 family didn't even know where this woman was because Ice 1855 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:28.520 wouldn't tell her what hospital that she was at because 1856 01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:32.479 of security concerns. So you can't tell them where your hospital, 1857 01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:35.560 which hospital you're at. They can't tell them the nature 1858 01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:39.039 of the you know, the severity of the problem that 1859 01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:40.359 she had to be at a hospital. I mean, she 1860 01:24:40.479 --> 01:24:44.680 was there for like twelve to fourteen days. That's a 1861 01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:47.119 significant amount of time in a hospital and the family 1862 01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:50.000 has no idea they can't visit them. And so I asked, like, 1863 01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:52.079 like what can the family do to learn about this? 1864 01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:56.119 And literally, like it breaks my brain thinking about this. 1865 01:24:57.119 --> 01:24:58.840 Like Ice looked me in the eye and said, Oh, 1866 01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:02.199 the family can foil this information. You know, just like 1867 01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:07.039 thinking to myself, like what, like their family member could 1868 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:09.640 be in some life threatening situation at the hospital and 1869 01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:12.439 you want them to foida this information about their loved 1870 01:25:12.439 --> 01:25:15.199 one life. That's like the just the craziness of this. 1871 01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:18.399 So like when you know, when Secretary of Malin or 1872 01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:21.840 others say this, you know they're just in like damage 1873 01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:24.880 control mode. They saw what happened in Minnesota when the 1874 01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:30.279 American people actually saw what was happening, and the American 1875 01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:33.039 people they're smart about this. They understand that there are 1876 01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:36.479 just lines that should not be crossed, and whether that's 1877 01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:39.840 for American citizens or anybody in this country. And frankly, look, 1878 01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:42.199 a lot of the people I met with at Delaney Hall, 1879 01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:47.079 they are married to American citizens and parents of kids 1880 01:25:47.159 --> 01:25:49.119 that are American citizens. 1881 01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:49.840 You know. 1882 01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:52.640 So that's what I think they're afraid of They're afraid 1883 01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:56.720 that the American people will understand and learn the truth 1884 01:25:56.840 --> 01:26:00.600 about what is happening in that name with our money, 1885 01:26:01.239 --> 01:26:04.600 but without our say and without our approval. And that's 1886 01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:08.720 just you know, that's just wrong, and that's what needs 1887 01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:12.359 to be changed here. You know, we have the capacity 1888 01:26:12.479 --> 01:26:15.359 to do so, it's just a matter of political will 1889 01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:18.359 that since administration refuses to put towards this. 1890 01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:21.479 I know that Governor Cheryl sent in state police to 1891 01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:24.920 help set up protest zones and sort of ask demonstrators 1892 01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:27.880 to lower the temperature. Some of the activists outside Delaney 1893 01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:30.720 heard that is hurt policing them instead of the FEDS. 1894 01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:33.439 Where do you come down on some of the tension 1895 01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:39.520 between trying to conduct oversight, give people a safe space 1896 01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:46.159 to protest, while also trying to maintain safety in you know, 1897 01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:47.079 the general area. 1898 01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:49.079 Yeah, I mean, first of all, look, I mean this 1899 01:26:49.279 --> 01:26:53.159 is chaos that is inherited from ICE that they have 1900 01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:56.000 been filment and they look they've been threatening to bring 1901 01:26:56.439 --> 01:27:01.359 many many more ICE agents to New jerseysically threatening you know, 1902 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:04.520 a surge similar to Minnesota. So I understand, look like 1903 01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:07.319 you know, we're going to try to avoid that scenario. 1904 01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:11.600 But look, you know, there are legitimate concerns at Delaney Hall, 1905 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:14.840 and as a result, there are legitimate, you know, legitimate 1906 01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:16.800 reasons to be able to protest that, and I want 1907 01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:20.000 to make sure that we are trying to address that, 1908 01:27:20.159 --> 01:27:23.039 like we are allowing that kind of space. I get it, Like, 1909 01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:26.199 you know, we can't have this unrest continue on. In fact, 1910 01:27:26.239 --> 01:27:30.199 I'm hearing it from the families of the detainees saying 1911 01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:33.039 that it's been preventing them from being able to visit 1912 01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:36.359 their loved ones, That the attorneys are not able to 1913 01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:39.319 get access because you know, because of some of the 1914 01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:41.079 roads have been shut down and other things. So like, 1915 01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:43.199 look like we want to make sure we're not getting 1916 01:27:43.239 --> 01:27:45.520 in the way and losing sight of what we're really 1917 01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:49.119 trying to address, which is the the detainees and their conditions. 1918 01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:52.960 But like there's got to be a way that we 1919 01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:56.119 can do this, you know, while while we are also 1920 01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:59.439 making sure that you know, people have the rights afforded 1921 01:27:59.479 --> 01:28:02.600 to them and the Constitution, especially for free speech. So 1922 01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:05.159 like I'm I'm trying to work on this, trying to 1923 01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:08.479 address this. I talked with not only the governor's team, 1924 01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:11.520 but also you know, Mayor Baraka from Newark to try 1925 01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:13.720 to think through like what other steps, what other ways 1926 01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:16.960 can we do this that isn't going to just further inflame. 1927 01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:20.159 You know what is already this horrible situation that ICE 1928 01:28:20.359 --> 01:28:23.119 is you know, thrown our state into. But you know 1929 01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:26.800 it is it is difficult, but I'm trying my best 1930 01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:29.479 to be able to push forward and in a way 1931 01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:31.720 that is going to make sure that again we're keeping 1932 01:28:32.119 --> 01:28:35.479 the needs and apply to the detainees front and center here. 1933 01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:39.079 As you mentioned, you know, one opportunity to sort of 1934 01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:41.680 make some change here is, you know, the Senate schedule 1935 01:28:41.720 --> 01:28:45.279 to consider this seventy two billion dollar budget bill funding 1936 01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:47.720 for ICE that would fund ICE through the end of 1937 01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:51.359 Trump's term. Obviously, it doesn't seem like Democrats have the 1938 01:28:51.439 --> 01:28:54.079 votes to stop it in the Senate because it's it 1939 01:28:54.079 --> 01:28:58.399 would only require fifty one votes. But are you and 1940 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:01.840 or other Democrats plan to offer any amendments that you 1941 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:05.199 think might actually be able to pass with some Republican 1942 01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:08.239 support that might rein in some of the abuses we're 1943 01:29:08.279 --> 01:29:12.039 talking about, or or you know, make any kind of 1944 01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:14.720 corrections to some of the things that you saw. 1945 01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:17.439 Well, look, here here's what I lay layout for you. 1946 01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:19.720 I mean, there are a whole slew of problems that 1947 01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:22.880 are facing Delaney, and I want people to know, like 1948 01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:26.520 it's not that delay Delaney is not some bad apple 1949 01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:29.000 that is just you know, we just have to address that. 1950 01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:31.119 This is a system wide failure. 1951 01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:32.680 Yeah, and problem. 1952 01:29:33.079 --> 01:29:35.840 As I said, you know, Geogroup's got nineteen other facilities, 1953 01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:38.319 you know, cor Civic and other I mean, like and 1954 01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:40.560 then now you know, ICE is trying to build these 1955 01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:43.960 warehouse detention facilities, and hopefully we can push back and 1956 01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:47.800 stop this. But there's a broader problem, systemic, not just 1957 01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:50.760 in the culture, but just in the broader process. And 1958 01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:54.319 that's what I'm trying to expose, you know. And so 1959 01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:56.479 there's three things in particular I'm trying to push towards. 1960 01:29:56.560 --> 01:29:59.039 Both through the legislation, is through other means, you know, 1961 01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:03.760 like first like let's get let's surge some medical support 1962 01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:07.439 to DELAYY and these other facilities. Like there are clearly 1963 01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:09.640 people who are not getting the care that they need, 1964 01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:16.000 and Secretary Mullink can dispute that, but like again, it's 1965 01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:18.279 not what I'm hearing, it's not what I'm seeing, and 1966 01:30:18.720 --> 01:30:20.920 and I just don't see why anyone's going to stand 1967 01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:23.000 the way and say, like, look, let's just try to 1968 01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:27.760 see I mean, the DHS has a medical unit. You know, 1969 01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.079 we can be able to surge up there in that 1970 01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:32.960 kind of capacity right away. Like right now they have 1971 01:30:33.079 --> 01:30:35.640 one doctor for one full time doctor for about eight 1972 01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:39.760 hundred detainees. You know that many of them have significant 1973 01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:42.960 medical concerns. So like that's what I'm trying to do initially, 1974 01:30:43.119 --> 01:30:46.199 like let's surge up there. Let's have you know, number two, 1975 01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:49.960 like let's have like a real investigation into these different 1976 01:30:50.039 --> 01:30:52.640 claims that are about there, whether it's about the food 1977 01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:55.560 or the other conditions. And number three, the detainings were 1978 01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:59.079 very clear with me that it's not just about the conditions, 1979 01:30:59.159 --> 01:31:03.199 it's just it's about having that movement forward on their cases. 1980 01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:06.960 So I'm trying to again take what I'm hearing and 1981 01:31:07.119 --> 01:31:09.000 figure out how to put it into action. You know, 1982 01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:11.960 I've been talking to Secretary of Mullen this week, telling 1983 01:31:12.039 --> 01:31:14.239 him what I'm hearing on the ground, trying to see 1984 01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:16.000 what we can move forward, because they can do this 1985 01:31:16.119 --> 01:31:17.880 on their own if they want it to right now. 1986 01:31:18.319 --> 01:31:21.399 You know, they could demand you know, additional doctors, they 1987 01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:24.640 could demand you know, efforts to be able to surge this, 1988 01:31:25.119 --> 01:31:27.520 and that's what I hope people understand. Like Geo Group 1989 01:31:27.640 --> 01:31:31.560 got a nearly billion dollar contract for Delaney Hall, so 1990 01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:37.000 they could hire more doctors tomorrow today, but that's going 1991 01:31:37.079 --> 01:31:40.079 to be less profit for them, right, Like could they 1992 01:31:40.159 --> 01:31:43.279 could have better quality food or fix the extreme heat 1993 01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:46.600 that I'm hearing, But then again that's cutting into their profits, right, 1994 01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:49.960 so we can change that. So I have been and 1995 01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:53.319 will continue to be pushing for amendments along these lines. 1996 01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:56.760 Are just saying, like, let's have a baseline of medical 1997 01:31:56.840 --> 01:31:59.920 resources available. I hope we can all agree that regards 1998 01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:03.039 list of the circumstances that someone's in there, Like we 1999 01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:06.159 want to make sure that they're getting some semblance of 2000 01:32:06.279 --> 01:32:09.279 medical care for key needs. You know, I'm trying to 2001 01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:13.319 push forward on something that is about de escalation trade. 2002 01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:18.359 I literally submitted that amendment before I even went back 2003 01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:22.319 to Delaney, all about how we can ensure that there's 2004 01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:25.800 de escalation trading for ICE and CBP after what we 2005 01:32:25.880 --> 01:32:29.319 saw at Minnesota, and every single Republican on the Homeland 2006 01:32:29.359 --> 01:32:32.000 Security Committee voted against my amendment, you know, And then 2007 01:32:32.119 --> 01:32:34.600 I went back to the Lane and saw and experienced 2008 01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:38.479 what I did, so I'm pushing forward. But again, like 2009 01:32:39.079 --> 01:32:41.199 this is something where we really need the American people 2010 01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:43.279 to kind of come behind us on this. You know, 2011 01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:47.319 the only times we've seen this administration back down or 2012 01:32:47.439 --> 01:32:51.920 pullback has been when there's wide public outrage. You know, 2013 01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:55.520 we saw that with Minnesota. We see that. Actually just 2014 01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:58.359 today it looks like we're seeing it when Trump administration 2015 01:32:58.439 --> 01:33:00.640 seems to be backed and off that one point eight 2016 01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:06.119 billion dollars slush fund for January sixth rioters. I hope 2017 01:33:06.159 --> 01:33:09.359 that's true, that that they're backing off of that, but like, 2018 01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:12.079 you know, that's what we really need is for us 2019 01:33:12.159 --> 01:33:15.479 to say, like, you know, this cannot be what is 2020 01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:17.640 happening in our country and to be able to try 2021 01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:21.039 to stop it and I know, you know, reconciliation and 2022 01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:23.199 vote a Ramas in the Senate. This is not like 2023 01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:27.159 must watch TV, Like this is not something that's gonna 2024 01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:31.199 necessarily like you know, have people tuning in at whatever 2025 01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:33.680 got out god awful hour in the middle of the 2026 01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:36.520 night that you know, the Republicans forced us to vote 2027 01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:40.800 on these But like I ask people please, like like 2028 01:33:41.399 --> 01:33:43.760 for my stay for our country, like please tune in 2029 01:33:44.159 --> 01:33:46.239 to what is happening, because what they're trying to do 2030 01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:51.199 is give upwards of seventy billion dollars more for ICE 2031 01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:55.359 and CBP. Not only is there no reforms and accountability 2032 01:33:55.399 --> 01:33:58.840 in there like what Americans have been demanding since Minnesota, 2033 01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:02.079 but there's not a there for you to help you 2034 01:34:02.159 --> 01:34:04.840 with your healthcare. There's not a dollar in there for 2035 01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:07.319 you to help you with your groceries or for the 2036 01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:10.720 rising gas prices. There's nothing in it for you. It's 2037 01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:15.279 just more money that's going straight into geogroups pockets to 2038 01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:19.520 just continue this lawlessness that we see. This cannot stand 2039 01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:22.439 and this is something that we have to do everything 2040 01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:24.560 we can to let people know and try to push 2041 01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:26.000 back against this in Congress. 2042 01:34:26.439 --> 01:34:29.039 Senator, I know you have to run because you're working 2043 01:34:29.119 --> 01:34:31.479 on this issue, but I just wanted to say thank 2044 01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:34.000 you for joining us and thank you for everything you're 2045 01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:38.119 doing to highlight this issue and including literally putting your 2046 01:34:38.359 --> 01:34:43.880 body in the way at Delaney. So please please let 2047 01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:46.479 us know how we can help and thank you again. 2048 01:34:47.119 --> 01:34:49.000 Yeah, thanks so much for shining the light on this. 2049 01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:49.880 It's so important. 2050 01:34:57.439 --> 01:34:59.600 Thanks to Andy Kim for coming on, Alex Wagner and 2051 01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:06.680 I with a new show on Friday. Pods in America 2052 01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:08.600 is a Crooked media production. Our show is produced by 2053 01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:11.239 Austin Fisher, Saul Ruben, McKenna Roberts, and Ferris Safari, with 2054 01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:13.680 Reed Jerlin, Elijah Cone and Adrian Hill. Our team includes 2055 01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:16.640 Matt de Groate, Ben Hefcote, Jordan Cantor, Charlottelandis, Carol pel Avive, 2056 01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:19.279 David Tols, Mia Kelman, Ryan Young, and Naomi Single. 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