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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and we are not in Kansas anymore.

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We're taking a stroll down a Pandora. We are here

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for a very special Geek First review episode. I am

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one of your hosts, the drugged up Colonel Kirkland Patzer.

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Speaker 2: I'm the local tale taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, just the two of us. There's been

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some deaths along this Avatar review. No, not actually deaths.

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Travis and Dylan.

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Speaker 2: Chose side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they portrayed as the great Colonel would say. So yeah,

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just the two of us, We're gonna have a fun

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I think fun review. Episode just got out of the

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theater and we're just gonna get right into it because

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it's late and uh yeah so so so yeah, no

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plugs at all. We're just jumping right into the Avatar

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fire and ash spoilers review. Of course, we'll start with

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spoiler free at first, and then we'll take a little

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ad break and then a full deep dive into spoilers

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and unravel this James Cameron possible masterpiece. We don't know

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we'll get going with that, but uh, I guess I'll

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start with you, Taylor Fel, because I've no one else

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to really throw it to here. First off, I gotta

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ask you, did you rewatch the other movies in anticipation

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for this? Like how you didn't have to? Okay, you've

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probably seen them many times.

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Speaker 2: That first one is like Ingrain in my mind. Yeah,

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I know quite well. The second one I've I've watched

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it a few times, but it's it's the second one

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is it's not like as memorable like the first one is.

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I think it's just very simple that it's it's it's

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memorable in a simple way. But that first one is

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memorable and just like a wow and a ooh factor

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for different reasons.

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Speaker 1: Probably seen it a lot more, right, also because it's older.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I think said have not seen the

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other two not like you, but I'm nonetheless, I was

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excited getting into this one because it's Avatar. And yes,

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it's definitely a sooner than average release for this movie,

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because hey, they filmed them back to back, so we

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don't have to wait another ten, fifteen years or whatever

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for the sequel. This one had a would be a

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good way to pitch it now, Travis, if you're listening,

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you're not gonna like this, so just channel it out.

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you have your part one, which is Avatar one, and

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then you have your Part one, which is part of

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the care being cursed to Black Pearl. Then you have

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dead Man's Chest which is Part two. You have Avatar

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it's the sequel, it starts off on like this is

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a brand new story and it feels like a part one,

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World's End, and this one Fire and Ash, which feels

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like the part it's that part two to the part one.

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Does that make sense? Where you have the first one

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which is its own story, and you.

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Speaker 1: Have lost me half way. I'm sorry, all right, So

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here you.

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Speaker 2: Have the first movie, and then here you have movie

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two and three. Two and three are both like back

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to back like Part one and two kind of, I

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see what you're saying. And then Part one is just

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on on its own, its own story. It's own thing,

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right of course, and I don't know what it is.

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I like when the movies are more and I'm trying

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to think of another way to compare it, maybe again

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like it's obviously a continuation, but it stands up on

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its own. And I feel like if Avatar One maybe

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planted the seeds a little bit more for where this

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story is now, then i'd and I'm probably just really

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nippicking it. So I guess you're coming from though, Yeah,

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that's it, because when we get into this story, I

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second movie and just mushed it all together. I think, well,

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you know, we've seen all this before, We've seen them

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do this, we know what their plan is, we know

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like this is the exact same sequence, right, So yeah.

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theater there was a lot of movie magic, because like

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we're pulling the parking lot, I'm seeing tons of people

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had Wicked popcorn buckets, the Emerald City Castle popcorn buckets.

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than my kid, Like he was fucking huge. And so

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for bottles. They had two types of bottles. They had

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let's get it. It's twenty five dollars Canadian. Fuck me.

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it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool, and Madison's like playing

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around with them. She's like, oh, Taylor, there's a thing

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it on. So I pulled the tab and then it's

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like blows up. Yeah, like clicks on the Holy ship.

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Speaker 1: Like this was like, so was your theater just really bright?

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cop to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but.

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the movie concluded. People were applause oh yeah. And then

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of vodka empty, just on the seat, So.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people are getting sauced.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Funny. But I went and saw this with Hidalgo and

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he just came right from his Christmas party, so he

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p as in him. But uh, it was.

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Speaker 2: Three D right for you?

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Speaker 1: Yes it was three D. Did you not see in

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Speaker 2: No, we saw it in three D. Yeah. I don't

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the small theater on the west side. I think there

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the small theater. And yeah, I normally would have would

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have wanted to do that. And I can't believe I'm

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saying this, Taylor, but if you are listening to this

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it in three D. It is actually so fucking amazing.

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long way tailor from the red and blue lensed spy

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kids three D type movies where they're super gimmicky. You know,

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there's always people reaching through the screen and it's like, oh,

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look at that. It's three D. Like, we've come a

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long way from this where I don't think this movie

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really had any of those moments in it of like

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it's protruding out. But with three D lens, this was

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just such a fucking good looking movie. Like like, and

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while I was watching it, I couldn't remember if the

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second one look like this, if Waal the Water looked

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like this, but just like the actual like fps and

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saying this. I am a big hater of three D,

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but not when it comes to James Cameron Avatar three D.

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definitely think you should see it. And like just the

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depth of field and everything, like everything that was going on,

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like it just looked so amazing visually. I kind of

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them a really really like good job being three D oriented,

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and I think, oh, James Cameron is just personally limping

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the three D market along, you know, like, I don't

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think any other films are really doing three D much anymore.

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dealing with movies like this, the three D makes sense.

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it's that's.

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Speaker 1: The World at War equivalent, right.

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Speaker 2: Something like that. Yeah, that's a big three D push

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twenty five dollars Canadian. There jer one cup, which is

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an equivalent to eighteen dollars American.

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Speaker 1: So oh man, that's nothing. Let's jump change.

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a round. I don't want to kill the battery. I'm

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gonna be, yeah, savoring that this economy.

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Speaker 1: Come on, you spend twenty five bucks on night cantifoor batteries,

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I know.

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Speaker 2: Having a kid here by a dollar Navvy bottle cups. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Really like this overall.

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don't think anything comes to that that first one for me,

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I really don't.

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Speaker 1: But that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm just a sucker for macdau and

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all that shit. That's some good ship and good ship.

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two movies of him and Navi form. His human form

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heads in here that are just it's so good, like

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smile pitches and so all that ship that's just it's

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really just cracks me up. But there's a few things

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in this movie that I can see where if we

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get that fourth one, that these characters will come back.

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these characters just they they have major implications on the story,

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picked up. It'll be like halfway through the movie and

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they're just they're gone. They're out of there, and they

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their narrative and with the narrative of the other characters,

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the main characters. So that's also kind of a shame.

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very beautiful, and you got some fake outs too. There

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were some scenes which were emotional. I thought, holy fuck

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twice they got me twice where I thought they're fucking

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doing this shit. Holy shit. It went to a dark

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place and it really caught me off guard and that

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was not something I expected an avatar. So we'll bring

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up those in the the spoiler portion. But yeah, I

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think they took some bold swings and I think some

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stuff worked for me and other things, you know, like

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I can pass, I can I can get by because

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at the end of the day, I still had a

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good time in this, I will say, as far as

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Spider goes for a character, I liked him a lot

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more in this movie than the previous one.

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of Way of Water. And is that it? I'll that's

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it transition in my overall thoughts. Yeah, I where should

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I start? I guess I'll start with Spider because we

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were kind of talking about that. Yeah. I well, actually no,

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I'll start at the very beginning because today, I today

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was the start of my Christmas vacation. I wrote a

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quiz this morning at school and then I left. I

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was home by like nine o'clock in the morning, so

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it was a nice little start to my vacation. You know,

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I knew we were seeing this today, and I'm like, well,

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fuck it, I got time. Let's let's go to Pandora.

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Let's leave Kansas, Let's go to Pandora. And I did

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the double backtip, well triple actually I started with Avatar

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and then the Way of Water and then going into

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this and man, after I finished Way of Water, I

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was like, I shouldn't have done that. I have like

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a headache, I like felt awful, Like I don't know,

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to back. Like you said, though, I absolutely I stand

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by that first movie. I still really really love it.

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this world and there's just so much like world building

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set up, like every movie has world building is we

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kind of go to different areas, but specifically that first one,

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it's just introducing you to every concept, and I just

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think it does everything better than every other iteration. So

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thoughts here on this third movie does not top that

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first one. It's just yeah, I defend that movie. I

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think it is really really great, especially in comparison to

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these other ones. Way of Water. I was really hot

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on it initially. I hadn't rewatched it though since that

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first theater viewing, and man did that go down in

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rating overall, just on the rewatch. I think it was

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just like, because I just watched the first one and

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then watched the second one, there's just like, oh, let's

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do this again. But in my opinion, just lesser and

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I just didn't really love the characters. Jake, Suley and

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Natieri take like a really big back seat in that

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second movie. And I just, yeah, just want to rewatch.

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I don't think I'm really gonna rewatch that movie unless

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maybe I do the same thing again, like when the

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next one comes out, you know, if this doesn't bomb,

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which I don't think it will, and we do get

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another Avatar movie, I think that's when I would probably

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rewatch them again. But like, if I want to watch Avatar,

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I think I'll just throw on that first movie again.

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That's just kind of my thoughts that are on the

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way of the water. But yeah, doing that back to

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back and then going to this one, I was kind

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of like, not the best headspace because I think I

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was just too much, too much Pandora all at once.

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But honestly, I had a good time with this movie.

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I think I think it's very messy at times. I

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think the dialogue is god awful atrocious. Many times I

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was laughing out loud at scenes I shouldn't have been

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because it was just like what the fuck are we

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doing here? But I mean, I'm such a sucker for

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like a good looking the theater going experience, and this

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is the best looking movie I've ever seen, Like it

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just looked so spectacular. Austin in the Chad's asking who

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is this for? The there it goes for you, I

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mean this is for Avatar fans or if you just

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want like a big blockbuster eye candy type movie. I

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think it's definitely for those types of individuals. I did

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have a lot of fun with it. I think there

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is a lot of like the repetition of like, Okay,

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I feel like we've been here before, and let's just

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try it again, because this is like the Avatar way now,

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like this is the third movie, and it just seems

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like we're kind of doing the same shit over and

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over and over again. And for that reason, I think

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that's kind of what makes me not want to rewatch

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these specific ones, whereas the first one is just it

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just does that concept the best out of all of them.

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So that's kind of why I would lean just just

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rewatching that first one. But but yeah, visually, it was

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fucking amazing. I really liked this setup of a lot

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of things are new antagonists is kind of introduced, like

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I was really interested in this character. I feel like

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major mispotential though with it, Like I think, what else

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do I want to say? That kind of scurry around

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some spoilers here, I feel like we're maybe picking up

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like a certain plot point from the second movie, and

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we just stretched into this movie, and I really didn't

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think that was needed at all. Like I think if

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we just act that completely out and we spent a

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little bit more time maybe with the Ash people or

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like just just other threats that I feel like are

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a lot more important to the overall story of like Avatar,

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the sky People versus the nove Like, I just feel

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like we like threw in these side quests and it

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just showed up like an hour of run time, where

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I think we could have really spent that in better

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strategic areas that would have just improved the movie overall.

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the dialogue is so bad. There's many like extended dialogue sequences.

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It's supposed to be like rallying the troops, and I'm

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just like, God, like, what are we doing here? This

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is so ridiculous. I think Jake Souley peaked in the

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first movie, Like I just think he's a fucking idiot

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in in the second movie and the third movie. And

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I can say that with confidence because I just watch

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all of them today, so it's fresh in my mind.

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But I just feel like he learns some major lessons

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in that first movie and then he just kind of

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like drops them off and like in that first movie

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and he's just like a dumb jar head in the

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second movie. And then that happens, You're like, Okay, like

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some big moments have happened. Maybe he's gone through some

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growth and learned and uh, just just changed his ways

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from the second movie, even though I feel like he

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should have done it in the first movie. Same shit

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again in this movie, and like by the end of it,

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I'm like, oh, okay, Like like I don't know. I

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just think that characters for me at least peaked in

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the first movie just for like overall like like clean

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growth of the character. Like it just seems like, yeah,

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let's just forget all that just to tell this specific story.

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Naitiri is way better in this movie though, versus A

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Way of Water. I think there's just so much more

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for her to do, which is great. I was really

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interested in the new I'll have to pull up her name.

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I can't remember what it is for wrong. I think

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it's her name. And the ash Lady, the big antagonist

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on the cover, really cool character that I was really

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really interested in. But I feel like we just there's

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a lot of juice there that we just didn't really

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squeeze out of the Orange corych Man. I love Korach.

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I agree with you. I think the human version of

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him is is peak. It helps that that is the

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first from the first movie, which is like, I just

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think that movie is so much better than these other ones.

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But like he's just like a meme for me at

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this point, Like I just love him so really good

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stuff there. And for the other characters I don't really love.

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I don't want to say too much about them because

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that's when we kind of get into like the main

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plot and just yeah, like that juice there.

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Speaker 2: But.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I don't really want to say

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anything else beyond that. But I had a really fun

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time with this movie, even though it is like very

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dumb at times. I'm gonna be there absolutely day one

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for the next Avatar and the one after that, like

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I like, especially if they keep looking this good, like fuck, yeah,

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I'm down, I'm eating my popcorn, I'm drinking my large,

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my large drink like I'm I'm I'm having a good time.

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My theater overall was I feel like kind of all

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the same, Like I don't know, at least the people

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that I was sitting around, like it was a pretty

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bump in theater. Like like you said, I pulled up

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party lots absolutely packed and I'm like, oh yeah, I forgot,

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Like this is the turnout for Afturar movies, which is

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kind of fun, and like people were kind of giggling

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at the same stupid shit that I was giggling at.

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So like, overall, I feel like everybody was kind of

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having a good time with it. What else can I say? Uh, Yeah,

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I don't know. I think that's kind of it. So

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if you are a fan of these like, definitely I

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would recommend it to them, if you're really like, you know,

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there's a reason Travis and Dylan are not here for

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this review it they absolutely hated well, I don't know

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if I could speak fully for Travis, I feel like

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I can, But for Dylan specifically, he absolutely hates these movies.

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The dialogue, the script is just is just so off

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for him. Fair Enough, I can totally understand that, but

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I am a sucker for some good visuals and just

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some stupid eye candy and action sequences were really really good. Yeah,

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I don't know. I think the movie starts like pretty

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damn good, with like an awesome action sequence, and even

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in like the third act, like the final client, like

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it's just it looks fucking amazing. There's so many parts

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going on and it just looks phenomenal. So yeah, no,

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I'm definitely definitely, yeah, definitely positive overall on it. And uh,

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but I think the more I kind of think about

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what the potential could have been for this, it's a

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little bit upsetting just because yeah, it's just Christmas potential there.

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But that's all I say. We'll just head right into

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the spoiler spoiler section. Are you okay with that?

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Speaker 2: I'm good with it.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna take our first ad break here

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and then we'll be right back to unpack some some spoilers.

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All right, we are back, and before we jump into

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I'm just gonna do a very very quick shout out

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to our Patrion producers A Brady April of Darkness, Jack Grant,

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Sam super Bad, Mike Googga loves Me sixty nine, and

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Charlie Randell Cocktail Klay John with no ahe Sam Green.

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There at the very highest here of our Patreon. They're

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the ones keeping the lights on and then yeah, allowing

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us to do these shows and uh yeah, big shouts

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out of them, get everything early, every exclusive on the

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Patreon did it field? Where do you want to start?

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I feel like I had something, but then once I

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got railing on those Patreon shout outs, I kind of

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lost my train of thoughts.

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Speaker 2: So pick, I want to start with the the ash Klan.

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This psachk so yes talk about that was her title

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psych Yeah, talk about a toxic woman. Not to not

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to pull that card, but uh, you know, this is

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just Korch. He's getting there, he's interested. It's like this

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is just all the signs like, hey, this is good

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at the start, but man, it's gonna get fucking crazy.

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But hey, CORGI really liked her, and uh.

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Speaker 1: He you know he was getting that busting those come

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on I was not that was not on my Bengal card.

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I didn't think he was gonna be smashing some local

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tail like nope. Like he was giving Jake Suley ship

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for doing no back in that first movie.

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Speaker 2: And it just kept getting better because all of a sudden,

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he walks into this private meeting. He's like, I wasn't

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summoned and he's all fucking painted up with them too.

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Speaker 1: What a yeah, I mean well maybe I'll save the

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chorus stuff for afterwards. But yeah, that the Ash People.

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That was something like I will admit I feel like

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I did see like a teaser trailer for this, but

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I kind of went into it pretty blind, Like I

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didn't watch a trailer right before I went saw it. Obviously,

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I'd seen like the poster and like from the teaser,

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just like like this the psych Lady, like just cool

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looking visual. It's like, Okay, we're gonna have some antagonist

473
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nave now, so that's kind of cool, and like introduction wise,

474
00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:46,119
like when they ambush like our our wind convoy, like

475
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,680
that kind of opening main action sequence that was fucking awesome, man,

476
00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:52,519
And like like I just like their design. I like

477
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,240
this main character. I thought she was really cool, and

478
00:23:57,319 --> 00:23:59,319
like right off the hop, I was like, holy fuck,

479
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,000
Like this is gonna be way more of a step

480
00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:03,920
up from that second movie, just just because like we're

481
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,720
actually diving into some really fun new antagonists as opposed

482
00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:10,839
to just Quorich and the sky People just just just

483
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,720
being our main villains, which they still are of course,

484
00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:17,039
and as the movie went on, that was the focus

485
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,079
was the Sky people, and like the Ash People took

486
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,880
a major step step to the side, like back seat

487
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,440
of that, which that's my biggest disappointment, the biggest disappointment

488
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,599
overall with like those characters in the Villains. Now we're

489
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,559
in the spoiler section now, so I can safety say this.

490
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:39,519
She didn't die, So they're still out there and still

491
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,240
you know, they can come back, which I'm gonna hold

492
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,279
out hope that we do some some good stuff with

493
00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:47,200
them there. But I don't know, I kind of don't.

494
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,920
I don't have a lot of faith that they'll do.

495
00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:53,000
Like the next movie is gonna be where we really

496
00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:55,079
do the Ash people better, because like this one was

497
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:57,240
called Fire and Ash And if they don't, if like

498
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,400
if they're not the super main focus like they weren't

499
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,200
in this, I doubt it would be the same for

500
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,839
the for the next movie. Maybe I'm wrong.

501
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,839
Speaker 2: What's gonna happen. She's gonna be pregnant, you know, Spider versus.

502
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: Oh man, you're so righteous. That's one hundred percent gonna

503
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,680
be the fuck I'd pizza bet anyone on that. I

504
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,920
feel like that's guarantee is gonna happen a New Cords

505
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,079
little seedling is bruined in her belly. But because yeah,

506
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,640
they were smashing, I doubt they got pan uh navi

507
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,359
sized condoms and in those realms, And even if they did,

508
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,440
I doubt they would have.

509
00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:33,279
Speaker 2: Everyone just heard them out in there, the cameras out

510
00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:33,839
streaming it.

511
00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, we'll get there, We'll get there one

512
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,400
thing at a time. But yeah, no, I really love

513
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,160
the design. I liked her hutspa. I liked her gravitas

514
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,480
that she had in these scenes, like just commanding respect

515
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,599
amongst her people, and just like really interesting skill set

516
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,440
of like using her tail to just like paralyze people.

517
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,640
Like it's just really cool setup. But unfortunately, like once

518
00:25:57,079 --> 00:25:59,680
chorus just kind of took over and like like they

519
00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:02,240
just really like there's a big chunk she wasn't even

520
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:03,920
in the movie, and the next time you see her,

521
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,839
she's just like on course as side and just like

522
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,200
a new henchmen. It seems so really disappointed by that.

523
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:11,559
I really wish we had the version of the movie

524
00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:14,200
where like she actually was the main villain and then

525
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,799
the humans were more like the people on the side,

526
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,640
So a little bit disappointed with well not little bit

527
00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:22,119
majorly disappointed by that. I think that is one of

528
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,599
my bigger complaints overall with the movie, because yeah, the

529
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,039
dialogue is bad, but like I kind of know what

530
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:32,759
I'm getting into with these Avatar movies by now with that,

531
00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:35,880
Like even the first movie doesn't have stellar dialogue in it.

532
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,240
Second one, I think it's a step down, and this

533
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:40,319
one's just kind of more the same. So like I

534
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,680
wasn't really shocked by that, but like to have a

535
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,799
really cool introduction to this villain and then for her

536
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:48,279
to just like take a vaccines, Like, what are we

537
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:48,759
doing here?

538
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: Man?

539
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: Like why do we have to just be sky people

540
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,160
focused the entire fucking series? Like seriously, especially when we

541
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,640
go seven movies of Avatar, I don't want to see

542
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,319
fucking Phoebe's drugged up brother who I don't know who

543
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:01,240
that actor's name is, like the CEO guy, Like, I

544
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,240
don't want to see him being like the main guy

545
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,359
every single fucking movie, or a new general type character

546
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,480
coming in. Oh no, I'm running the show, like I

547
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,119
like I That's what kind of frustrates me because they

548
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,359
show us some cool stuff and then they just take

549
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,000
it away after the first act, And yeah, I disappointed

550
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,119
by that overall because I was really interested with his

551
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,920
villain and yeah, just just just just back sated her,

552
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,920
which was unfortunate. Now she is still alive, so potential,

553
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:30,279
but I kind of not gonna hold my breath for that.

554
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: I think that they they alluded slightly to Chortz just

555
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:38,359
kind of taking over her troops. It felt like because

556
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,279
when he's out there and he started drinking and partying

557
00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:41,680
with the grunts and.

558
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: What yes, yes he's got the super dick.

559
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah you hear that in that tent. Yeah, so I

560
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,599
think that they needed to maybe flush that out a

561
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,079
little bit more, showing that he's kind of taking over.

562
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:01,119
And but that being said, you don't ever feel like

563
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,799
she becomes less of a leader. It just kind of

564
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,039
feels like they become two one and the same. But

565
00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:08,599
they really usher him in quick to just reaffirm like, hey,

566
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,720
he's the main antagonist in this.

567
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: And she was really hoping that she was gonna be

568
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:17,160
like having like a I don't know, one up on him,

569
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,920
like actually have like her own motives, and then like

570
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,200
she she used them for the guns and everything, and

571
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,880
then like when they're supposed to be loyal, Like that's

572
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,480
when she just betrays them all. Like I was really

573
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,000
hoping for that to happen, but it didn't. They were

574
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,319
just fully loyal, you know. They like like when they

575
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,000
go to the city and she's like telling her people,

576
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,480
you know, like like like act tough, like like don't

577
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,039
be scared and like no like conniving, you know, like, Okay,

578
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:41,799
we're gonna take over the city now, and we're gonna

579
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,039
use their facilities to like make our own fire. Like

580
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,160
I was kind of expecting something like that to happen,

581
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,680
but like it didn't at all. It was just oh,

582
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:52,240
we have flamethrowers now that we use like literally once

583
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:53,640
at the at the last sequence.

584
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, it would have made more sense, to be honest,

585
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,319
And I really thought when they made a whole stink

586
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:00,240
about it, like oh, we've got a whole bunch of

587
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,960
like bogies flying in but they all have like ID tags.

588
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,759
We can't hit like attack them, and it's like that's

589
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,599
a big fucking red flag, Like Chords is just handing

590
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,720
out fucking hall passes to everyone out here. So yeah,

591
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:15,559
that would have been a really good setup for them

592
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,559
to turn it around and actually attack, but instead they

593
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,359
use it for the setup for Materirie to go in

594
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,279
there and go rogue undercover. So yeah, yeah, I would

595
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,279
have preferred them to take over everything because yeah, they

596
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,119
got the flame throwers and stuff like that was their goal.

597
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,480
That was their whole mo, just to put the whole

598
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,279
planet into fire, and so they were kind of stripped

599
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,200
of that because then Kords was like, Okay, we're not

600
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,000
going to destroy this space. We're not going to like

601
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:41,559
do this and whatnot. So they were kind of they

602
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:44,160
were grounded for quite some time, right.

603
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's also disappointing that we like even went through

604
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,319
the effort of kind of explaining her backstory and how

605
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:57,240
like these people like totally are against I. Yeah, Awa,

606
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,440
and like like like that's kind of badass, Like like

607
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:04,799
these people are so attached to the to the nature

608
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,119
of this world and Awa and like she was just

609
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,559
completely like her people were starving, they're begging for able

610
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,720
to help them. She didn't, so then they just completely

611
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,039
are against her, like like this is a cool setup,

612
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:22,039
especially for like this world, and that's not even our

613
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,200
main villain. Like it's literally just these people that want

614
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,359
fucking unobtaining it. They don't even want that anymore. Now

615
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,799
they want the fucking whale juice. God man, oh, don't

616
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:31,480
even get me start on the whales. I'm so fucking

617
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,960
pissed off about that again. But anyways, back to the

618
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:36,319
ash people. I think the last thing I kind of

619
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:39,720
want to say on that is when Quorage. Oh actually no,

620
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:42,599
the other badass thing that they do is like sever

621
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,240
their braids. I can't know what the actual term is

622
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,839
for them, but it's and then yeah, yeah essentially, and

623
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:51,559
they say it's like a fate worse than death because

624
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,119
when they die they go back to nature. But if

625
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,880
they lose that, like they're just in limbo. Essentially, it's

626
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,039
like you die without a soul.

627
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,559
Speaker 2: And I thought I thought that was having sexy and

628
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,839
connect the the hair together. So I when I saw that, like,

629
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:05,519
I thought, like it, she's just like making them climax

630
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:07,000
and then just cutting it off like.

631
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:10,759
Speaker 1: A way to go death by snoop snoop, you know

632
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:15,559
that reference. But yeah, so pretty fucked up way to

633
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,240
kill people. Cool set up, pretty obsessed with like the

634
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:21,640
thunder guns, like make make thunder out outs, you know,

635
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:24,519
so like some cool stuff there. But then I'll fast

636
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:28,000
forward to when Korich goes to their their camp here again,

637
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,519
really cool looking camp. I like the vibe of this.

638
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,119
It was kind of giving me some like Kong Skull

639
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,519
Island vibes or just just King calling in general, just

640
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:39,599
like their little bone effigies that they have set up.

641
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,400
But goes there. Uh, he's got his sniper doing lookouts, and.

642
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: Well that got me. I started laughing. When the snipers

643
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,119
started popping shots. I was like, man, I I started

644
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:53,200
thinking of you. I started thinking a war zone. I

645
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,400
don't know it, it made me laugh.

646
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely. There's a lot of scenes in here that I'm like,

647
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,839
I'm getting arc rave are craters vibes, like the big

648
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,240
big mech things that they're taking out, uh, just from

649
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,000
the gameplay I've seen. But uh, it goes with the

650
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:10,160
tent goes into the fucking peyote tent. She she gives

651
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,920
in like this, the the snort pipe thing. Oh that's

652
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,200
some strong shit, as my name suggests. The drugged up colonel,

653
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:20,920
he's just doing some some wild lines and just just

654
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,880
the crazy psychedelic effects that are going on. I did

655
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,839
like kind of like they're back and forth there, but

656
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,880
it was also just kind of goofy to me, like

657
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,799
like like, I'm.

658
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,319
Speaker 2: Gonna keep you as my slave and you'll pleasure mate.

659
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: That's where I was like, Okay, we're going right there.

660
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,680
We're not We're not even beating around the bush. And

661
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,640
then he brings in his people with the flame throwers,

662
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,480
the guns, they're popping off, they're having a good time.

663
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,000
And as that's all going on, that's when she like

664
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:48,480
brings them into the tent and I'm like, oh my god,

665
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:50,720
they're literally just going to smash right now, Like this

666
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:54,559
is so fucking ridiculous. I I was laughing. I was

667
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,720
laughing that sequence. I enjoyed that it was in there

668
00:32:56,759 --> 00:33:01,079
for entertainment purposes. And yeah, I wouldn't have even taken

669
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:03,480
it out because it's like whatever, let's just fucking get crazy.

670
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:08,400
I do kind of like this underlining storyline with Korch

671
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,519
of like is he jar head or is he still

672
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,640
or you know, like like he'd like that Miles Chorch

673
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,359
did die. So this is a type he's like he's

674
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:20,920
showing little cracks of like being a local, right, Like

675
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,720
even his attachment with Spider, the moments between him and

676
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,039
Jake Suley when they're like kind of neutral at times

677
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:31,359
and Jake keeps trying to like emphasize of like seeing

678
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,440
you know the world. I thought that's where we were

679
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,359
going like early on in the movie. But then he

680
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,119
goes back to the base and he's just completely back

681
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,039
to his mission. But then when he gets like his

682
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,079
mission on why he's there is to take out Jake

683
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:44,680
Sulei and he has so many opportunities to do that,

684
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,200
and then he just doesn't. And it's pretty much just

685
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,160
to stretch out the story because Jake Suey has plot

686
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,319
armer at this point, and it seems like Miles Korch

687
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:53,839
has plot armer. Now I was mentioning to hadalgo when

688
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,839
we're leaving. I'm like, man, there's two guarantees in these

689
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,720
Avatar movies. Jake Suey's not gonna die and fucking Miles

690
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,000
Korch isn't gonna die. Like the two are just gonna

691
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:05,279
live on tell movie nine, I swear to god. But yeah,

692
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:11,000
that whole sequence between him just smashing the ash lady

693
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,159
and from that point on, like that's really when she

694
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,000
takes a back seat, like she's not really like she's

695
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:19,159
just kind of like a henchman after that, which is unfortunate,

696
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,840
very like a domesticated version of herself, which is super

697
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,840
super unfortunate because I just feel like it was a

698
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,519
really cool setup of a cool looking character, cool looking

699
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,880
people that have their own kind of different take on.

700
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,000
Like it's just it's the Nave that we know, but

701
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,119
like spun one eighty because in way of the Water

702
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,239
we get introduced to the water nov but they're pretty

703
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,400
similar to the forest people, like okay, yeah, like like

704
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,320
they're just in the water now, and but they still

705
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:52,239
have like major attachments to Awa, and I guess we

706
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,679
kind of have like the Flyer people too, very very

707
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,639
briefly with Professor Remus, I swear to God that that

708
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,719
must be him. I didn't check the casting, but that

709
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,440
guy on the ship looked exactly like Remus from Harry Potter.

710
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 2: I think it's the same actor, to be honest.

711
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:09,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounded like him. Looked like him. I haven't double

712
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,280
checked that, but I'm pretty confident. But yeah, so just

713
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,320
to have like a completely different type of Nove and

714
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,480
then just show us some cool sauce and then of

715
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:23,840
course smashes the main lady and then they're just like

716
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,599
domesticated from that point, very disappointed. So yeah, that's that's

717
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,840
my big grievance with the ash people.

718
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you hit so many right on the

719
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,039
noggin with your points. I think it would have been

720
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,199
nice to just get a little bit more flushed out

721
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:42,480
with them, because I think at the end of the day,

722
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:44,440
them just kind of coming in at the end, it's

723
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:48,599
just this massive fleet with RPGs and whatnot. They just

724
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:51,199
come in and save the day sort of speak for

725
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,760
the jar Heads and the sky people, but it doesn't

726
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,400
really do anything because they get squashed by AWA and

727
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,079
all a was folks, And I mean, it's just weird

728
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:03,119
how AWA works because now you just have these people

729
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:05,360
prayed to Awa. Awa didn't come, and now it was

730
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,760
just fucking murdering them. Just uh, you know, there's a

731
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,079
weird imbalance to that.

732
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I don't there God love power and like, yeah,

733
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,280
why doesn't this happen in every other next movie, you know,

734
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,639
a which sends all of the creatures to just go

735
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:26,360
pop off whatever villain And maybe I'll say it now,

736
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,760
I was kind of disappointed by the AWA pop off,

737
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,679
especially when we like, actually, see didn't like the all

738
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,519
Mother or whatever, like the Giant Face. You didn't like it.

739
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: No, I was thinking, is that's the gourney Weaver's face?

740
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:38,519
Is that is that in there?

741
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: At first, I was like, why is it a human

742
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:42,440
like like it looks so weird. But then I'm like, okay, no,

743
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,280
it is. It is a nove looking individual. I was

744
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,199
honestly hoping for like one hundred foot Avatar to just

745
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,199
like start like just coming out through the water and

746
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,880
just smashing people up, kind of like if you've actually

747
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,079
seen you know, Avatar the Last Airbender in uh book one,

748
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,639
the water, like the giant water Avatar that comes out

749
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:02,880
and just off against the fire Nation. I wanted something

750
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,599
like that, but then it's just like, okay, we're just

751
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,400
getting the cephalopods, We're just getting the fucking squid things

752
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,960
to come out and pop off whatever. Could have been

753
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,599
way cooler if it was a giant entity, but they

754
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:14,800
were saving that for Avatar nine. Maybe maybe that's when

755
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,440
we'll actually see the full fucking mech type type a

756
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:24,559
wall popping off. I deviated there for some reason I

757
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:28,079
can't remember now. Oh, just the like, yeah, like the

758
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:30,519
super god power that comes in and pops off at

759
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:30,840
the end.

760
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,599
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, no, I think, uh, the god power.

761
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,880
We saw it in the first movie, so getting it

762
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,039
again here like it was familiar, But I don't know

763
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:42,159
if I necessarily needed it, because it's just say it's

764
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,679
it's a copo. When they can't do it themselves, well

765
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,360
we'll just get you know, all the animals to come

766
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,639
to our assistance here. So mm hmm, yeah, there's that.

767
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,599
I feel like that's just you can never lose with

768
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:57,159
that because the animals just totally beat all the sky

769
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,519
People's tack and everything every single step of the way.

770
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:04,079
But yeah, yeah, back to the Ash people, it would

771
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:05,639
have been so much cooler to get a little bit

772
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:09,239
more backstory in context on where things kind of went

773
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,639
wrong for them and why they really chose this path

774
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:15,599
after a what kind of abandoned them and whatnot, because

775
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:18,000
you have in that first movie where the sky People

776
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:22,239
destroy their home tree and you know, they're praying to Awa.

777
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,679
Awa didn't come and they're well, they still prayed to Awa,

778
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,320
and I guess there it was response to them was

779
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,239
Mactow shows up, you know, Jake Suley, So that was

780
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,960
their hope and so these the Ash People didn't have that.

781
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,039
Speaker 1: It was just what's her face for?

782
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 2: Wrong? Yeah? The psych Yeah, yeah, so yeah, and like

783
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,880
you said, she took a back seat near the second

784
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,079
bit of this movie. That was a shame because she

785
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,559
was terrifying. She was really really freaky, and she was

786
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:57,639
just like mesmerizing the way she was moving and she

787
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,000
was talking, and she was just so fascinating with the metal,

788
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,400
the guns and stuff like that. And again, speaking of

789
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:04,440
rush scenes, which this movie did have quite a few

790
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:08,039
rush sequences, when the kids were all held hostage and

791
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:11,559
we're in the woods and Jake Suley and Korich they

792
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:17,679
get detained and then she syncs up with him hair

793
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,320
braid to hair braid, and then immediately like the next scene,

794
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,920
he's like, all right, you put the magazine in here

795
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,800
and then you fire and all that. It's like, this

796
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,400
is a little preemptive.

797
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: I feel like, especially like I'm glad you brought that up,

798
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,480
because in that moment in my mind, I'm like Coorish

799
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,280
is like so against the nave and like, okay, he's

800
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,239
here to take out Jake Suley. Why is he here

801
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,599
to take out Jake Suley? Because he's leading, he's like

802
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,840
organizing all these clans to just pop off against the humans.

803
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,159
And well, if you just fucking load up another clan

804
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,719
of Nove with guns, Like, is that not worse because

805
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,800
they're also just gonna pop off on the humans when

806
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,400
they trying to domesticate or colonize this planet. Sorry, So

807
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,599
it it just seems so backwards with his motivation. But

808
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:05,360
I guess they were literally just sticking to the script

809
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,239
of well biack three, he's gonna be boning this lady.

810
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,840
So maybe this is just setting up that they have

811
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,840
some chemistry here. I don't know. It was just really

812
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,639
bizarre because it seems so backwards to what his motivation

813
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,280
should have been for what was set up because you

814
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,239
take Coorts from the first movie. He's like, they're fucking savages.

815
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,360
They're they're natives, like like like like we need to

816
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,599
take them out. And although he's like kind of working

817
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:32,159
with Jake Zulei in that first movie to have a

818
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:35,800
peaceful option air quote, he never really wanted to do that,

819
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,760
like like like he he wanted to just take out

820
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,360
the home tree and just pop off on on these

821
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,679
what he would call savages. So it just seems so backwards,

822
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:46,599
and I think you could still maybe have that moment

823
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,800
after he's had more time kind of becoming more one

824
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,199
with with Awa and just like the world because some

825
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,440
of those little breadcrumbs were sprinkled in here, but like

826
00:40:57,519 --> 00:40:59,559
they were breadcrumbs that were just blown away with the

827
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,760
wind because we like really didn't do any of that

828
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,119
at all. It's just like Jake Suley like, oh, yeah,

829
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:06,360
do you see. It's like no, I don't see, And

830
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,760
like that's all all that happens, because after that he

831
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,480
just just fucks off. Because Jake Suley's allies come so

832
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,119
very very not even half baked. It's like you take

833
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:20,719
out your cupcakes and they're literally just just just wet there.

834
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:23,880
You forgot to turn the oven on. That's what happened.

835
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,039
You took your cupcakes out after an hour and your

836
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:28,599
oven is not even on. That's how not even baked

837
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:32,519
that storyline was for me at least. And yeah, it

838
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,920
just like why even go through the effort. I probably

839
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,119
just just stretched us out over even more movies for

840
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,840
when you actually get that Korich purn I thought it

841
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,559
was gonna happen in this movie because of what was

842
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:48,119
set up. But we're playing the long game here, James Cameron.

843
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,760
You you want us to get that payoff in Avatar

844
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,440
six or seven, and I guarantee you like in Miles

845
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:57,519
Korich isn't gonna die in the next movie. He's gonna

846
00:41:57,559 --> 00:41:57,920
live on.

847
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:00,599
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I mean that that fall, I mean

848
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,920
he just yelled. I mean he could still be alive

849
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,920
in there for we know.

850
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:08,639
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely alive. Yeah, yeah, I'd make that bet.

851
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:15,039
Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah. I liked him more in the first movie.

852
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,360
I really really did his human form, and here, like

853
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,199
I feel like they gave him a little bit more

854
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,599
to work with because you really get to see his

855
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,920
achilles heel of his son. But you don't get enough

856
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,960
of him with his son either. You get one scene

857
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,440
that's very brief of him brought him, yeah, and then

858
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,440
that brought you a burger, and then another one where

859
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:36,480
he's hold on to him. He's like, you you know,

860
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,239
stab me and shot me in the arm. And then

861
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,960
they're up on the rock and then he just fucking.

862
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,599
Speaker 1: You know what's like the gift, the gift from the

863
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:50,960
first movie. He falls off the plane.

864
00:42:51,840 --> 00:43:00,079
Speaker 2: He's just like, so, no one's crying over.

865
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:05,519
Speaker 1: Except for no one's crying them. Yeah, O kyah, do

866
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:07,880
you have anymore? I have nothing else on the ash people,

867
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,679
because that's as much as we got Yeah.

868
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: No, I don't have much. It's just that they came

869
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:16,119
and then they were They were dissipated all too quickly.

870
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,960
I just wish that they did a little bit more

871
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,239
with them, because they really really promoted them.

872
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the movie is called fire and Ash.

873
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,599
It should have been called fucking quorch smashes Ash. Lady

874
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:31,360
we go was the big emphasis of the movie. Maybe

875
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,639
I understand why they didn't have that as the subtitle. Um, okay,

876
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:42,400
where to next? Uh? You brought up Spider actually, and

877
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,320
I agreed with your point. I really did not like

878
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,159
Spider in that second movie. It's actually funny, but like

879
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,159
the very last scene of this movie makes it feel

880
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,400
like Spider is the new protagonist and Jake Suit Jake

881
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,639
Suwly is literally not even in that scene, Like like

882
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,920
you have everyone in like the world tree all connecting,

883
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,719
they're all touching, arms, zooms out and it's all around Spider,

884
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,559
and like it just seems like this is such an

885
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:11,199
emphasis on this character major like plot Uh, what's the

886
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:16,360
word I'm looking for? Just just plot piece, I guess.

887
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,760
With Spider and just now the humans want to basically

888
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,559
reverse engineer his body because if we do that we'll

889
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,000
be able to just breathe this world, the air on

890
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:25,840
this world.

891
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 2: Man.

892
00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: One of my one of my fucking absolute favorite scenes

893
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,760
in this movie, for all the wrong reasons, is when

894
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,920
uh Naytiri, you know they want him if they get

895
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,400
them reverse engineering, we gotta just take this fucker out.

896
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,039
And then Jake Suley after after they rescue him, after

897
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:48,280
Spider literally rescues him, they get him out, it's like, hey, hey,

898
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:50,400
in a Tiri, I think you're right. I think we

899
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,280
gotta fucking murder this this boy right now. He's like, no,

900
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,039
I don't think we should do that. Likely Oh no,

901
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:59,039
that's the only way. He grabs your knife. Spider, come

902
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:04,000
with me. It's like the most fucking sus thing in

903
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:08,039
the world, like, uh okay, uh, what's going on, don't

904
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,000
talk to me, just come with me. It's like, oh

905
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:12,239
my god, this guy's gonna fucking murder you. Spider kick

906
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,119
him in the nuts and run for the wind. Right now,

907
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:17,079
all these red Flighters are going off. He's you know,

908
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:21,400
he's obedient. He's going with Jake Suley. Sully leads him.

909
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,800
Get on the fucking ground right now. I'm gonna fucking

910
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,239
kill you, Like like just getting super aggressive, and Spider

911
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,800
is just like you don't have to do this, Please

912
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,360
don't kill me, and like the back and forth is

913
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,199
just so ridiculous. The scene is just so ridiculous in

914
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:37,280
my mind, like like why are we even doing this

915
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,440
this This is so unneeded in my opinion, because at

916
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,440
the end, we don't fucking kill him and we never

917
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,800
even talk about this again. Like does Spider ever at

918
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,719
any moment, say, like when he's with Loak or Kiri, like, hey,

919
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,199
your dad tried to fucking murder me in the woods

920
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,880
and actually came so close to doing it. Nope, not

921
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,360
at all.

922
00:45:56,519 --> 00:45:59,039
Speaker 2: And he wasn't even scared in that scene, like he's

923
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:01,039
like I'm ready he was first.

924
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: And then and then yeah he's like you know, I'm

925
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,280
gonna go with a what It's fine, and then he

926
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,440
turns around you still love me, Papa? Like it's just man,

927
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:11,880
it is like an old yellow type satirical moment, and

928
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:16,039
like I was laughing hysterically, like I was trying to

929
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:17,960
like not be loud, That's how hard I was laughing

930
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,400
in this moment because it was just it seemed like

931
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,239
it was so long, it was so prolonged and while

932
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,840
it's happening, I'm like, obviously he's not gonna fucking murder

933
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,719
this kid right now, Like we know that's not gonna happen,

934
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,559
So why are we spending so much time doing this?

935
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:34,880
It was so goofy and yeah, he never says it

936
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,400
at any other point. It's uh, it was such a

937
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:45,599
fucking goofy scene to me, And uh, yeah, Pandora, that's true. Yeah,

938
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,400
that's what happens on Pandora. But Spider overall, I definitely

939
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:54,360
grew to like him more here. He's got a fucking

940
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:56,960
braid and everything. He's like becoming a n a V.

941
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:03,039
Of course, Kiri kinda hooks him up to the to

942
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,440
the to the world to Awa and that that's kind

943
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,440
of what happens there, Like that he no longer needs

944
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,079
the breathing apparatus and he's kind of actually like the

945
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:14,760
main pot device, a device that gets us going on this,

946
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,760
right because they wouldn't have even left the water people

947
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,559
if his mask wasn't crapping out. They had to get

948
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:23,920
him back to the other people, you know, so so

949
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,800
that that wouldn't happen anymore. So a lot of the

950
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,079
movies kind of centered around him. And I already mentioned

951
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,960
when the humans are trying to part of me reverse

952
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,039
engineer him, but I found her to be a lot

953
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:41,039
less annoying here. I still fucking hate his name Spider,

954
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,239
and Kiri calls a monkey boy. And it's just like

955
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:47,039
at the end when she's like hooking up to Awa

956
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:51,599
and like trying to get super what's the world like

957
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,159
just just just getting to Awa, like to to the

958
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:58,159
all mother and he and it's like a super intense moment,

959
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:00,719
you know, the score is hitting really heavy. He hooks up,

960
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,280
grabs her hand and it's like super intense, and she's

961
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,480
just like monkey buy. It's like fuck man, Like, I

962
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,039
hate this name so much. But all that aside, I

963
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:11,800
definitely like Spider.

964
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:12,079
Speaker 2: A lot more.

965
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,199
Speaker 1: The start of the movie, I wanted him. I wanted

966
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:16,840
that Spider to get squashed, but I'm kind of okay

967
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,719
that he's still around at this point in time.

968
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I again, I think he holding his own in

969
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,840
this movie really really made it it better for me,

970
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:28,000
I think to appreciate him because when he was on

971
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,199
the raft, for example, the flying ship and the fire

972
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,880
ash people jump down and he just pulls out his

973
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,840
bow and he fires one arrow into the guy's throat

974
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,920
and then throws another one into his arm, Like fuck,

975
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:42,679
this guy holds his own. He's doing pretty good fighting

976
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:43,440
one of these guys.

977
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:46,159
Speaker 1: Every time I see him pull out his little fucking

978
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,679
butter knife, though, with these like ten foot tall nave

979
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,880
running at him, And'm like, what's he gonna do? What

980
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,800
the fuck are you gonna like?

981
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: Seriously, there's nothing he can do. But yeah, he's just

982
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,559
his one liners and his bad jokes and stuff I

983
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:05,360
just I don't really jive with. And he's like, you can,

984
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,960
you know, eat my ass or whatever, and he's like

985
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:09,960
flipping them, giving them the bird and stuff like that.

986
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,280
I'm just thinking, like, I'm just not jiving with this.

987
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,400
This just feels like he's trying to embody everything with

988
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:19,880
like living in this spiritual world of Pandora, and then

989
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:25,599
he's just got excessively human traits. Like I feel like

990
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,000
the guy is I'm gonna say, he's very North American

991
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,119
with how he's with how he acts and what and whatnot.

992
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,639
So it's just it's it's too too much, too flamboyant,

993
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,679
even like like Jake Suley, he's a he's the marine,

994
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,119
he's the jar head and he's human obviously, but they

995
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:46,519
tone him down. He's not excessive with with all of it.

996
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:49,000
And I don't even know how old Spider is really,

997
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:55,679
so there's that too, but I digress. Oh my god,

998
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,119
that's old. Uh yeah, he I like to mour in

999
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,360
this movie though. I like that he definitely served more

1000
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,960
of a purpose. And I really thought that they, you know,

1001
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,039
they were killing him. When Jake Suley shanked the air,

1002
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:07,800
I thought, fuck.

1003
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,079
Speaker 1: They just didn't think he was going to do it.

1004
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:11,679
Speaker 2: I did, I really really did, because I thought, this

1005
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,800
is the last one of the trilogy. We're you know,

1006
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,960
making waves here, and that's this.

1007
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,119
Speaker 1: Is the last one of the trilogy.

1008
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: Well it depends. If this one doesn't do good, We're

1009
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,119
not getting Avatar four James Cameron. He's gonna put into

1010
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:22,760
a novelization.

1011
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: So I ain't reading that book. I'm here for the

1012
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:29,519
visuals and I don't think it's a fucking good looking

1013
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:30,199
graphic novel.

1014
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 2: Three D goggles, Yeah, you have to read the book

1015
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,480
with three D glasses. That would hurt. But yeah, no,

1016
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:41,840
I I think I feel like you brought up a

1017
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,159
good point where they did not really showcase Jake Suley

1018
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:47,400
at the end here, and I think, Okay, the whole

1019
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,639
movie was really narrated by his son, right and his

1020
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,800
and the kids. Yeah loak, and that you have Spider

1021
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,880
in the mix here. So I kind of feel like

1022
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,599
at the end of the day, maybe they're just gonna

1023
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:03,559
then Jake Suley off into the sunset and uh, we're

1024
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,400
just gonna carry forward here. Yeah, maybe, I think I

1025
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,079
think they'll be there, but I think they definitely would

1026
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:10,559
take a back seat and they would just kind of

1027
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,280
chill because how many more are these movies do you

1028
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,639
think they signed on for? Right, I think they definitely

1029
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:17,920
feel in the feeling.

1030
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,519
Speaker 1: The Blood Life contract, that's what they signed.

1031
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: You got to buld you hold your breath for twenty

1032
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,639
minutes underwater for a two minute scene and James Cameron's

1033
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:30,000
just making them bleed, you know, to do these roles

1034
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:30,559
and stuff.

1035
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:33,199
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't know either.

1036
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 2: I think with as far as Spider goes, there's there's

1037
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,000
more to his story because obviously he's alive. Humanity is

1038
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,440
very interested in him. The guy that who I can't

1039
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,079
remember his name, but he's from the first movie. He

1040
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:49,360
was playing golf, one of the unentertainingum He has an

1041
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,559
obsession with getting this kid alive, and you have I mean, yes,

1042
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,719
Humanity's forces got fucking decimated, their factory got fucking mass occurred.

1043
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:05,280
But like that, that fleet was obviously much bigger than

1044
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,199
the one we saw in the last movie, and way

1045
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,039
bigger than the one we saw in the first movie.

1046
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:11,920
So I don't know what kind of resources they have left,

1047
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,559
But there's there's still a story there they need to

1048
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:17,719
tell with them trying to get Spider, and we know

1049
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,000
in the Way of Water they were talking about colonization

1050
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:24,239
and moving everyone to Pandora to like live there because

1051
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,960
Earth was dying. So that's a whole nother story that

1052
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,880
I wish they touched upon a bit more in here,

1053
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,079
but they just kind of progressed it through Spider's narrative

1054
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:34,639
of him being able to breathe. And I thought, to

1055
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:36,599
be honest, that him breathing was going to be the

1056
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:40,079
result of them terraforming, but that caught me off guard

1057
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:42,320
when it's like, no, it's just because they took the

1058
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,079
seeds of the Sacred Tree and plucked them and just

1059
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:47,599
fucking shoved them down his throat and all that.

1060
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:53,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's take about that break and it'll be

1061
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,079
right back to keep going. All right, we are back,

1062
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:06,840
uh Spider, Yeah, the colonization stuff. I mean, I don't

1063
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,880
really have much more to add on that. I I

1064
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,559
don't know. It's like, I guess it's a reason for

1065
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,480
the humans to be after this certain character that we're

1066
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:17,800
trying to keep safe and away from them. I imagine

1067
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,039
that'll just be you know, if and when we get

1068
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:23,559
that next movie just gonna be more the same. I'm

1069
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:28,960
kind of curious how we evolve from that, like instead

1070
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,320
of just being like, oh, yeah, we're just picking up

1071
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,239
from where we were, that's where I was gonna go. Actually,

1072
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,760
is like the stuff that was introduced in Way of Water.

1073
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:37,920
It seems like this movie picks up right after the

1074
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,519
second one, essential like like definitely not like less than

1075
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:43,599
a month, I would say, if anything, like it seems

1076
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:47,519
like it's right there because like the family, the Suli's

1077
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:51,280
are still mourning the death of their one son. The

1078
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,840
opening sequence was between Loak kind of visiting his brother

1079
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:00,719
in the the just like the Awa realm by linking tails.

1080
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:03,000
I kind of like those moments, you know, although I

1081
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,920
don't really care too much for those characters, Like it's

1082
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,920
just cool world building stuff of like you can kind

1083
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,039
of just visit your fallen family members. It's kind of

1084
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,639
an interesting concept, especially that everything's so attached like to

1085
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,079
the world of Pandora and and like it's just like

1086
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:23,599
a living, breathing entity. It's also just because I watched

1087
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:25,679
that first movie this morning, like the the idea of

1088
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,840
like all of our life energy is just borrowed and

1089
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,039
then we just give it back like to the world.

1090
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,559
I feel like that's what makes the character of like

1091
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,880
ver Wrong, like the psychic so interesting. Of like when

1092
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,519
she just cuts like the braid, it's just such a

1093
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:42,599
like the scalping. It's just such like an intense thing

1094
00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:44,880
of like you could just never see your ancestors again,

1095
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,880
Like that's kind of a fate worse than death. So

1096
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,079
I kind of wish that was the main villain of

1097
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,039
the movie, but something like that that was the case.

1098
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:56,280
Where do you want to go next?

1099
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: I mean, there's one more thing with Spider I want

1100
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,679
to bring out, Yeah, because you know he's he's he's

1101
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,400
also getting some local tail.

1102
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: You know, he's Oh man, we're back, and.

1103
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:10,599
Speaker 2: Everyone in the theater gassed. It was audible, like like, oh.

1104
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: There's spooching oh yeah.

1105
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: Everyone in the theater was just like, whoa, So we

1106
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:17,400
don't like that.

1107
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: We don't like that. No inter breeding.

1108
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,559
Speaker 2: I was telling Madison, it's like, well, they're just you know,

1109
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:25,199
they're they're adopted siblings. It's okay, right, It's like, no,

1110
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,320
that's not it's not okay.

1111
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't really think they're siblings. Yeah, they have this, well,

1112
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,719
they're cousins, if anything, adopted.

1113
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,559
Speaker 2: Right, it's like dexter because Kiri.

1114
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: Kiri isn't even blood related to the Suli's right, and

1115
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,119
then Spider is Korg's son, so definitely not blood red.

1116
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,639
Jake dad adopted dad. Okay, yeah, I guess I guess

1117
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:57,159
you're right. I guess you're right. I mean those two

1118
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:59,639
were kind of a love dynamic, even from the way

1119
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:03,119
of the water of they're just doing some close tickling.

1120
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:06,039
You know. He doesn't do that with their cousins. I

1121
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:10,960
never did that. That's that's fair. I guess that's fair.

1122
00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:13,320
I was just giggling because of like the scene overall

1123
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,000
of him just smooching this eight foot lady. He's looking

1124
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:19,920
half bricked up in that moment of his little fucking loincloth,

1125
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,039
not really hiding anything.

1126
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:21,519
Speaker 2: Down there.

1127
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine that'll just keep going. If we keep

1128
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:32,199
getting these movies there, their level will just evolve. That's funny.

1129
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:35,079
We I don't think there's any reactions like that in

1130
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:37,920
my theater. I was just laughing at the idea of,

1131
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:41,360
like everyone's just fucking smashing everyone in this in this movie.

1132
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:46,239
Now we're getting the ash people boning Korich. Uh this

1133
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,559
scene later on when uh like this is when the

1134
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:53,119
teary's doing like her infiltration mission, and it's just like

1135
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:55,920
a shot of Korich and like the ash lady just

1136
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,360
like spooning in the tent. And then when he comes

1137
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,960
out afterwards after just giving her the best dick of

1138
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,599
her life because she's just knocked out in the tent

1139
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:07,880
and he comes out, he just like covered an ash

1140
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,960
oring his loin cloth. He's like sipping drinks around the

1141
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,679
fire with the other ash people. Just such a fucking

1142
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,840
goofy sequence. I I just I was eating all that up.

1143
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,800
But and then yeah, you get you get the little

1144
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,400
smooch between Kiri and actually not I'm talking about that.

1145
00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:28,599
Can we go to Kiri a little bit here? This

1146
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:32,000
character I didn't really love too much in the way

1147
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:36,639
of Water, And I don't mind like the setup and

1148
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:38,440
the concept of the character of like how she was

1149
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,480
a clone made from Grace, because Grace when she was

1150
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:47,039
dying was like really connected to the like the to

1151
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:51,119
Awa and and just like the world in general. So like,

1152
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:57,360
I don't mind like the what's the miraculous conception of

1153
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,519
the character of Kiri. I don't love the idea of

1154
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:05,880
it being Sigourney Weaver the voice. It's just I like

1155
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,599
Sigourney Weaver. I don't think I minded it. Like the

1156
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:12,360
first time watching The Way Water, but like on the rewatch,

1157
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,400
I hated that character's voice so much it was just

1158
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,519
so jarring to me. And then this one again it's

1159
00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:19,920
like more of the same. So really not a fan

1160
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,719
of that decision to have that. I kind of understand

1161
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,360
why we're doing it. We gotta have Sigourney Weaver signed

1162
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,079
that blood contract. We got to use her in some way,

1163
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:30,760
shape or form. But yeah, not a fan of that

1164
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:34,880
made it a lot worse to doing like the triple

1165
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,719
feature of going from Way of Water right into this.

1166
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,039
It was just like I've seen like six plus hours

1167
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:46,760
of Sigourney Weaver in this little Kiri character. She did

1168
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,800
kind of have some more powers here, which was kind

1169
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,039
of cool. Like at the end of course, she kinda

1170
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:56,559
does the one up on the ssayek that ash sayik.

1171
00:58:56,679 --> 00:58:58,840
But then also when she's like just connecting to the

1172
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,360
world and she takes of those plants that like shoot

1173
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,199
the needles and the projectiles, that was kind of cool.

1174
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,079
I was kind of hoping more of that would happen,

1175
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,280
Like in that blast battle she just swam down to

1176
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,440
take to go converse with a whata, But I thought

1177
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,360
she was gonna be like taking over like I don't know,

1178
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,639
floral in the water to just like start like engulfing

1179
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,360
some some ships and stuff. I could kind of see

1180
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,840
that happening if we kind of like she seems like

1181
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,719
that's kind of her her skill set. Now she keeps

1182
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,440
kind of getting stronger with it, maybe she can just

1183
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:30,320
start controlling more things in this world because everything is

1184
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:35,519
so interconnected. That's a cool like concept in this world

1185
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:37,559
that was introduced in the first movie. How like everything

1186
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,880
it's almost like U it's almost like electoral conductors, like

1187
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,239
just just everything is connecting and like just communicating that way.

1188
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,079
So I kind of liked how she was using that

1189
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:52,079
to her advantage. They don't really explain, like like they

1190
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:54,440
keep saying like something is very special about her and

1191
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,880
like she has these powers and that's all that happens,

1192
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,320
and then we see her like use the powers. We

1193
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:04,039
don't really get explanation. So yeah, I don't know. It's

1194
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:05,880
I liked it, and I didn't like a lot of

1195
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,840
this stuff around with kerrying this movie, and her voice

1196
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,079
is just weird. I think it's also like I know

1197
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:14,599
how old Sigourney Weaver is and hearing her just be

1198
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:17,920
like dad, dad, like trying to be this like I

1199
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,719
don't know, I don't know. I guess she's close to

1200
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:24,880
Spider's age. So fuck for the sake of argument, I'll

1201
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:30,039
say like seventeen eighteen nineteen in that range, Secournony Weaver's

1202
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:30,559
not that old.

1203
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,679
Speaker 2: No, you can hear it in the voice for sure.

1204
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1205
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:40,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think her character interesting, you know, getting a

1206
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:43,239
little bit more backstory on her being a clone and whatnot.

1207
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,760
But yeah, I didn't realize that they actually kept her

1208
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,840
origin a secret until now they told her. I thought

1209
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,760
she already knew, so that was interesting, but.

1210
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,719
Speaker 1: Because they knew that she was born from Grace's avatar,

1211
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,440
but then they never told her who the father was

1212
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,960
because in way of Water they kind of joke around

1213
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,920
with it. It's like, oh, your father's norm And then

1214
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,320
she has the god awful line of like I would

1215
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,400
actually kill myself if that was and like you, Sigourney

1216
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,599
Weaver's voice, this is a wave water. Again, I watched

1217
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:13,599
like five hours ago, so it's fresh in the noggin,

1218
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,599
but like, man, it's just such goofy, goofy lines there.

1219
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,639
But I kind of just assumed we knew that it

1220
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,400
was from like Awa to begin with. It didn't seem

1221
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,880
like it was a big shock. The biggest shock was

1222
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,559
like I didn't know that until now, like in the theater,

1223
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,480
just like just a couple hours ago. I was like

1224
01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:36,239
they didn't know this already, Like like like when you

1225
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,119
mean tell her this big secret? Like I feel like

1226
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:40,599
she's kind of smart, she gonna figure that out, but

1227
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:43,159
I guess not. Anyways, Yeah, you.

1228
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:46,079
Speaker 2: Know, her powers are growing. That's pretty cool, But I

1229
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:48,760
feel like there was still a lack there of execution

1230
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,800
and fulfillment on explaining exactly where she was supposed to

1231
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,639
reach with her abilities, because they're like, you can't use

1232
01:01:55,639 --> 01:01:57,559
your abilities, you it it's like a firewall. You gotta

1233
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:00,280
wait because if you keep trying to use them, you're

1234
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,480
gonna die. So you need to wait for this moment.

1235
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:04,480
And it's like, Okay, I get it. She needs to

1236
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:07,199
wait for a moment, and that would have been good

1237
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,880
like let's say Spider Man two, where it wasn't until

1238
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,039
MJ got taken. Then he finally he felt like his

1239
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,840
firewall went down, he got his web back, right, So

1240
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,159
I feel like, Okay, that's this case. Something needs to happen,

1241
01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:20,880
an external force needs to put her in the situation

1242
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:25,000
to do it. Instead, No, she just sees fucking ash

1243
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,639
people just nuke in all of her family and friends,

1244
01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:29,119
and so she just jumps in the water, goes back

1245
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:31,480
underwater and does the same thing, just sinks up, and

1246
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,079
it's gonna get fucking stroked out underwater and die until

1247
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:39,039
her friend her family comes Spider pulls her. Yeah that's right.

1248
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,039
So I didn't like that because I feel like they

1249
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,920
set her up for needing to overcome something when it

1250
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,960
presents itself to her. But she just kept doing what

1251
01:02:48,039 --> 01:02:49,639
she did to overcome it.

1252
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,119
Speaker 1: So yeah, she would have just died.

1253
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,159
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, that's right.

1254
01:02:54,639 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: But our friendship and family, Yeah, I guess.

1255
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:01,519
Speaker 2: We'll see hopefully Avatar four more of what's going on

1256
01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:03,519
with her character, because she still plays a very important,

1257
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,400
important role. Because she had that moment with the Kate

1258
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,599
Winslet Sahik where Kate Winslet just kind of like really

1259
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:15,920
opened up to her and was like are you I

1260
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,159
know where She's like, you know, where'd you come from?

1261
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,440
Or like why are you here? Yeah, something like that.

1262
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,559
Speaker 1: Am here to pray? No, why are you here?

1263
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: It was really weird exactly, so they all seem to

1264
01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:33,119
know that there's some deep connection here and obviously, like

1265
01:03:33,159 --> 01:03:35,320
we spoke to earlier, a what planted the seed in

1266
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,239
there instead of bringing Grace back?

1267
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: So mm hmmm yeah, yeah, no, really good points. I

1268
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,199
kind of forgot about that scene between her and Kate

1269
01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:49,960
Winslet character. It's just who does it was so weird.

1270
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,880
It was so yeah, pregnant lady gets fucking just shot up. Terrible,

1271
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,800
terrible idea to have this lady like man like, if

1272
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,000
you if you're the king in this situation, are you

1273
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:05,280
letting Madison as pregnant? She is right now on the

1274
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:06,199
first run.

1275
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:07,199
Speaker 2: On the Steed.

1276
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: She's just going and like no wing man or anything.

1277
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,079
She's just doing her solo missions Underwater.

1278
01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:16,599
Speaker 2: I was just one of my sons with her too.

1279
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,639
Speaker 1: Oh who just fucking dies because those characters are just

1280
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:23,320
completely unneeded now, which was kind of hilarious, But yeah,

1281
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,800
I was because before they even go out to battle.

1282
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,440
Uh it was actually in that scene, Carrie's like, you're

1283
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,639
having contractions and then she just kind of sucks it

1284
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,679
up and goes into battle. It's like, man, this is

1285
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:38,599
such a fucking bad idea. I kind of thought she

1286
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:40,599
had plot armored because she was pregnant, so I guess

1287
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:45,159
kudos to them for you know, going through that, and

1288
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:49,159
then they just shot her up. Because when she got shot,

1289
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:51,159
I was like, are they literally just not gonna let

1290
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:53,400
this baby be born? Like they're actually just gonna kill

1291
01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:56,920
this mother and the unborn child. That was pretty pretty dark.

1292
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,920
But then you have the nice moment between uh Natier

1293
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:02,760
in her the Tirie helps birth, which I kind of

1294
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,880
liked that dynamic between those two characters. They were like

1295
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,159
always just at each other's throat throughout the whole movie,

1296
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,199
and then like even this moment, she's like dying out

1297
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,639
and then it's like, oh, I'm gonna die, but after

1298
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:15,039
I get this baby, She's like what fucking bush and

1299
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:18,119
she's just like covering for her. So I actually I

1300
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:20,159
feel like that was like a joke that was supposed

1301
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:21,960
to hit that I actually laughed at, which was one

1302
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,920
of the few and rare ones. But I kind of

1303
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,760
liked their their dynamic other at each other's throats. But

1304
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,960
then like like she would still be patching up Natiri

1305
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:32,880
when she got fucked up in her shoulder, like I.

1306
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 2: Still do jackshit, just crapping all over her her medicine.

1307
01:05:37,519 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: You don't fucking rest and you blame my fucking medicine.

1308
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,400
Like they just were so angry at each other that

1309
01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:44,559
the whole movie, which is which is pretty fun.

1310
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. No, I thought that dynamic was really good.

1311
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,239
And again this kind of goes hand in hand with

1312
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,159
the Uh saeke from the Ash People. I think every

1313
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:56,679
female counterpart that was out there and the Tiri just

1314
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,800
kind of clashed heads with on different levels. And I

1315
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,960
like that. I think it was really good. And I

1316
01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:05,519
like Materia a lot. She's she's she's got a good

1317
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:07,639
comedic timing when she's not trying to be like when

1318
01:06:07,639 --> 01:06:10,639
she lands in the base and she's rescuing Jake and

1319
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:14,679
and uh spider and Sally's like, uh, I don't have

1320
01:06:14,719 --> 01:06:16,559
to kiss you or yell you right now, and she's

1321
01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:19,679
like you waste time. Oh It's like she just growls.

1322
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,440
Or even when she's like walking you know along the

1323
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:25,119
in cat like has the face paint on and the

1324
01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:29,280
guards like oh hey hey, sweet kids, and then she's

1325
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,920
like a man then just keeps walking. It's like what's

1326
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,480
going on here? But I like how she she acts,

1327
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:36,480
and she responds, what.

1328
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,199
Speaker 1: The fuck are we doing here? You have these fucking

1329
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,679
jar heads, like hey, look at this hot piece of

1330
01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:43,880
ass coming through this eight foot tall fucking blue alien lady.

1331
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,599
It's like, oh, I know she wants to smash me.

1332
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,599
It was just like, bro, what are we doing here?

1333
01:06:48,679 --> 01:06:51,920
Like this dialogue is so fucking bottom barrel. But no,

1334
01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:54,159
I that was a big highlight for me because in

1335
01:06:54,159 --> 01:06:56,480
a way of Water, she took a major back seat,

1336
01:06:56,519 --> 01:06:59,519
Like she was really not doing anything in that movie.

1337
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:02,760
Like I think the main battle she probably pops off

1338
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,320
a little bit with her with her bow and air,

1339
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,639
Like I really I just watched that movie and now

1340
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:10,039
it's all blended together. I can't even really remember. But

1341
01:07:10,599 --> 01:07:13,880
in this movie, like she's very she's mourning her son.

1342
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:16,119
So in the beginning, like she's really sad, she doesn't

1343
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:19,199
ever bow. She kind of pops off a little bit

1344
01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:21,000
in that main fight, and then she gets jacked up

1345
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:23,119
her shoulder, so she's kind of on the end. But

1346
01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:26,800
then yeah, like she's she's just almost back to her

1347
01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:30,280
her herself from the first movie when when she's truly

1348
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,559
popping off. And I love that sequence when she's like

1349
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:37,239
in Just Solo mission going undercover taking out the base.

1350
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:42,239
I kind of wish she wasn't so like, like I

1351
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,360
get it, she's there to get Jake. And then she

1352
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,559
she raids the camp. Uh you know, she she gets

1353
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:53,000
the the ash saychek lady like at the knife blade. Ready,

1354
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,199
I think in all reality she probably should have just

1355
01:07:56,199 --> 01:07:58,480
fucking slit her throat or scalped her right there, like

1356
01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:01,079
where's Jake Jake's being and then just fucking do it

1357
01:08:01,159 --> 01:08:02,960
right then and there. It's like, no, you're gonna take

1358
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,199
me there? Like, really, come on, that's kind of stupid.

1359
01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:06,559
Why do you even need to take your there? Like

1360
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:08,400
just go fly around on your on your thing. You

1361
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,599
have the iff chip like you like you're totally fine.

1362
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,239
Kind of stupid again, I guess plot armor for the

1363
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,119
ash Lady so that we can carry on her story

1364
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:18,720
maybe for next film, because she's carrying chorch a seed.

1365
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:20,560
I'd love that you said that, because now I'm just

1366
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,600
fully bought into that theory. But like, I kind of

1367
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,279
wish she went there, Okay, where's Jake. Perfect slits her

1368
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:29,319
throat and then she just goes around with the fucking

1369
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:31,840
frag arrows and just popping off on all the refineries.

1370
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,399
Like that's perfect, that's all you really have to do.

1371
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,680
For some reason, this base has zero fucking anti air

1372
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,279
missiles at all. They mentioned that they kind of do

1373
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,199
a little bit, but then they all have the iff chips,

1374
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:45,960
so then we're just not gonna use them because when

1375
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:49,560
when she gets Jake, Suey and Spider and they just

1376
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,720
fly away like really like they just I guess she

1377
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,079
still has the chip at that point, so the anti

1378
01:08:55,119 --> 01:08:58,680
aircraft missiles are just fucking useless. But like whatever, whatever,

1379
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,920
I kind of wish she was just going around the

1380
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,600
base and just popping off and just actually like like

1381
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,600
crippling the base, like destroying like eighty percent of like

1382
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,960
the refineries and everything. Like I just think that would

1383
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,319
have been plus like the eye candy. Like the sequence

1384
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,359
looked awesome of her flying around with like the blood

1385
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:20,319
paint and everything and then hiding from like the people

1386
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:23,439
looking for like under underneath, like when when when her

1387
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,840
and her little raptor thing are like like just in

1388
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,079
the water. It was awesome. It was like a little

1389
01:09:28,079 --> 01:09:31,119
covert just pop off Black Ops mission like it was.

1390
01:09:31,159 --> 01:09:33,560
It was really sick. So it was nice to get

1391
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,840
that coming from wave of water, which she was severely nerved.

1392
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,119
She she really wasn't used at all in that movie.

1393
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:41,239
M No.

1394
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,119
Speaker 2: I yeah, I agree. I got a bow back to

1395
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:46,800
her back, yeah, father's bow. I really liked her in

1396
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,560
this movie a lot. It was great, and I agree,

1397
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:49,920
I think she should have had a little bit more

1398
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,319
of a night Specops run in that base. And it

1399
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:54,880
is weird that they don't have any kind of proper

1400
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,000
air support or air turrets. I mean, they got the

1401
01:09:57,159 --> 01:09:59,920
drones flyinger out of the aircraft, but like when you

1402
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,000
look at what that first base had and Avatar one,

1403
01:10:02,039 --> 01:10:05,520
they had like huge fucking Matt cannons on their perimeter fence,

1404
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:10,119
like nothing was penetrating into that air airspace, right, So yeah,

1405
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:13,880
it just seems yeah, very simple here like and again too,

1406
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,079
you gotta be careful because the ash people were chasing her,

1407
01:10:17,079 --> 01:10:18,319
but they were doing a lot of damage too, and

1408
01:10:18,319 --> 01:10:20,840
they're finding their RPGs and blowing up all the local

1409
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,159
infrastructure and all that shit.

1410
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know, it was weird, Like it

1411
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,159
seemed like they had them ready, like Okay, we got

1412
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:30,960
a bunch of bogies coming in. Oh no, they have

1413
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,319
the ship or the chips, so don't shoot. They're with

1414
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:35,319
korych okay whatever. And then it was as if they

1415
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:37,840
like decommissioned every single antire missile from that point on,

1416
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,840
like they just they just didn't use them at all

1417
01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:45,000
since we're at the base. Actually, one of the goofiest

1418
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:49,359
fucking sequences of the entire movie for me is Jake

1419
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:53,880
Suey's captured and it's literally like you see Tom cruise

1420
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,439
downtown Kelowna and everyone has their phone out and they're

1421
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,960
just live streaming this fucking Jake Suey thing. And I

1422
01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:01,960
swear to god, dude, every single time that they went

1423
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,840
to Jake Sulei, there's just a crowd of people recording

1424
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,159
him and like I literally just turned to hidalgo to

1425
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,920
my right and I'm like, who are they live streaming

1426
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,560
to like in this moment, Like like they literally just

1427
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,840
look like NPC characters where all they're doing is recording

1428
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,640
this event right in front of them. They're doing absolutely

1429
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,600
nothing else. They're just standing there day and night recording

1430
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,640
Jake Suey in this fucking box. There's people taking selfies.

1431
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 2: It's probably just you.

1432
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 1: Know, commentary on like Today, like that's what people do

1433
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:33,479
in today's day and age. But it's just like on Pandora,

1434
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,199
really do we fucking care that much? Like, Okay, Jake

1435
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:39,000
Suley is in town Square, I think this the janitor

1436
01:11:39,079 --> 01:11:41,880
has to go fucking clean up the shitters like instead

1437
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:46,319
he's out here and just filming this. Like it was

1438
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:50,239
just so stupid and ridiculous, and like we went back

1439
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:53,600
to them like three or four times of just the

1440
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,359
crowd reaction and they're just recording and Spider escapes and

1441
01:11:57,359 --> 01:11:59,479
then he's just in the crowd and nobody fucking notices

1442
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,279
because everybody just live streaming Jake Suley. Like that was

1443
01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:06,359
the most NPC type behavior I've ever seen from characters

1444
01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:10,560
in this movie. So stupid, it was so ridiculous. I

1445
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:12,159
I just I couldn't get past it.

1446
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:21,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I uh yeah, I agree. It's uh, it's

1447
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,720
it's frustrating. Uh And it's something that I definitely was

1448
01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:28,840
kind of shaking my head at too. But I mean

1449
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,199
it's not the end of the world, I guess, and

1450
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:34,000
it's something that I'm just kidding. It's not going to

1451
01:12:34,039 --> 01:12:36,159
detract from from the experience for me, But it was

1452
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:37,479
definitely was just kind of annoying.

1453
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,359
Speaker 1: It's like why, like why you know, like like it's

1454
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,119
so stupid. Uh, what else was going on in that

1455
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:48,920
bass we had? Yeah, they're doing their tests on Spider

1456
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,239
we kind of already talked about, which is very.

1457
01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 2: Brutal when they're showing the cords down his throat and everything.

1458
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was like some clockwork Orange type moments too.

1459
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,159
We actually had that way of Water too, when they

1460
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:02,119
capture them and this is like they're torturing this poor

1461
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:06,600
fucker and then yeah, Buddy brings him the burger, gives

1462
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,439
him the tag. I kind of like that how it

1463
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,680
seems like he's getting through to him. There's just some

1464
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,039
like super half baked like oh yeah, your mother was

1465
01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:19,479
really awesome, who is in nothing character that we've never

1466
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,680
talked about before? And then here it's just like, yeah,

1467
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:22,560
she was a good soldier.

1468
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:23,119
Speaker 2: She died.

1469
01:13:23,279 --> 01:13:25,359
Speaker 1: She was very honorable, you know, like she died.

1470
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: She was in that battle in the first movie, which

1471
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:29,640
that's news to us.

1472
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like they yeah, they didn't name her or anything,

1473
01:13:33,039 --> 01:13:37,560
like she's just a completely unknown character. Chorus just smashed

1474
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,039
and u and passed, and I guess she had a

1475
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,720
baby at some point in time. But I it was

1476
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,399
just weird because it seemed like it was working at first,

1477
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,600
because like he's literally like in tears when he's like

1478
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,279
telling him this backstory, and it's like, all, can I

1479
01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:54,079
keep the dog tags? Which is also kind of counter

1480
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:58,199
because I feel like this qoruch didn't fucking care at

1481
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:01,119
all about his previous self, Like like he crushes his skull,

1482
01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:04,520
his own skull in way of water, he like gets

1483
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,600
the tags and he's not interested in at all, like

1484
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,680
Buddy just takes it for him, whereas here he's like, yeah,

1485
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,720
I'm your father, this is me, I'm that same guy,

1486
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,000
and it just seems so like we've already done this

1487
01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:16,439
and you were super against. Like it was just weird,

1488
01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:19,840
But I did like how he took the tag, thinking

1489
01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:21,680
that like I want to have it to remember him,

1490
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,039
but then he uses it as a key to get out,

1491
01:14:23,039 --> 01:14:26,920
So I again, that kind of boost up Spider's stock

1492
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,640
for me a little bit. It's like, Okay, he's actually

1493
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,479
he's clever, clever little girl or clever little monkey.

1494
01:14:32,199 --> 01:14:35,079
Speaker 2: Boy Madison College. She nudges me, She's like, oh yeah,

1495
01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:38,199
he's gonna use that to like screw the.

1496
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 1: She's a clever girl. She didn't way over my head.

1497
01:14:41,079 --> 01:14:43,720
I'm just like, okay, yeah, I guess Spider's just fully

1498
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,479
loyal to these humans. Now, Like that's where we're going

1499
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,479
with this writing. It's it's just so inconsistent, but yeah,

1500
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:53,239
I digress. The marine biologist guy who was introducing Way

1501
01:14:53,279 --> 01:14:55,439
of Water has a little pop off moment in here.

1502
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,319
I thought he was getting marked as soon as he

1503
01:14:58,359 --> 01:14:59,439
was running with Jake Suley.

1504
01:15:00,199 --> 01:15:01,239
Speaker 2: Uh.

1505
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad he he just.

1506
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 2: He just got out there. He's still around, so.

1507
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not arrested. And like, I don't think anyone

1508
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,439
really saw it was him that did it, so like

1509
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,800
really he could have just blended in with the crowd

1510
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,159
and then and then went on his day. He had

1511
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:18,680
his little hero moment to save Jake Suley. There so

1512
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:20,239
kudos to him.

1513
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,520
Speaker 2: And that's where I wish that we that's one of

1514
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,720
the plots where this character appears, he helps the main narrative,

1515
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,560
and then he just ups and disappears. It would have

1516
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,800
been nice to get some kind of scene with him

1517
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,920
at the end. But I'm assuming come Avatar four, that's

1518
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,319
when this character comes back in and he will probably

1519
01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:37,880
be like an eyes on bass kind.

1520
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: Of character, like a Max, like Max's Zacher movie. That's right, yeah, yeah,

1521
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,840
because he was he was introduced in the Way of Water.

1522
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,600
He was working with the fucking whale poacher guy. M

1523
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,319
let's just go there. I guess who. Like, he had

1524
01:15:53,359 --> 01:15:55,720
a robot arm in this one. I don't know how

1525
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,319
the fuck he survived the Way of Water because do

1526
01:15:58,359 --> 01:16:00,000
you remember he was like that cable on his own

1527
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:02,720
arm snaps off, so his arm was flying and then

1528
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,600
he goes flying into the water and then we just

1529
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,600
come here and he's just totally fine. He's the same

1530
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:07,399
piece of shit.

1531
01:16:07,319 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 2: Just poaching guy so much PTSD.

1532
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,560
Speaker 1: That was a holy shit moment, Like, like I gas

1533
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,159
when that happened in the theater because it was just

1534
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:22,279
so visceral of a visual to see that. But uh, Anyways, Yeah,

1535
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,199
he was back, and he's just he's just here to

1536
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:30,760
fucking mine some whales and just get billions of dollars. Like, man,

1537
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,000
we did this in the last movie. We had an extended,

1538
01:16:33,239 --> 01:16:36,800
disturbing scene of them just like hunting down these whale things,

1539
01:16:37,319 --> 01:16:40,359
and then we're doing that again and that it like

1540
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,920
it seems like that's a major reason why these humans

1541
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,760
are even here in the first place, like like Corgio's

1542
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,760
missions to hunt down Sulei, but then every other military

1543
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,399
person is here to get the fucking whale juice, and

1544
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:56,199
like it just yeah, I was so annoyed by this.

1545
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,279
H it kind of ties in with like the low

1546
01:16:58,319 --> 01:17:03,479
Ax stuff too, and just like it seemed like it

1547
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,359
seemed like we're just like, Okay, this is part two

1548
01:17:05,399 --> 01:17:08,239
of the way a water plot, but then also we're

1549
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:13,560
telling our fire and ash storyline between like like Qorch

1550
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,000
is still hunting down Suli, so that's like the main

1551
01:17:16,079 --> 01:17:18,600
story sort of. But then also over here we have

1552
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,159
Lowak who's just going on a side quest to go

1553
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,159
commune with his his his brother like the outcasts, and

1554
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:27,960
then you also have the humans coming in to just

1555
01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:31,199
mine these whales, which we get another scene of him

1556
01:17:31,279 --> 01:17:33,039
just like hunting down this whale and then and then

1557
01:17:33,119 --> 01:17:37,359
sucking out the juice. The I can't even remember what

1558
01:17:37,359 --> 01:17:37,880
they called it.

1559
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 2: The it's like it licks your of life stuff.

1560
01:17:43,279 --> 01:17:46,399
Speaker 1: Essentially, Yeah, essentially, it's probably just you know, it's like

1561
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:50,079
when people hunt rhinos for dick pills. It's probably the

1562
01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:54,279
same shit. Fuck yeah, dude, super rich people they poach

1563
01:17:55,039 --> 01:17:59,000
rhino horns and then they think that it'll enlarge their wieners.

1564
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:05,399
Billionaires and rich people do. Yeah. Mess, it's just that bad.

1565
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,960
But where was it going? Oh yeah, just it was

1566
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,439
just such a mixture of different little plot things coming

1567
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,159
together and I was so not interested in that whales

1568
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:17,479
storyline from the Way of Water and then just have

1569
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,880
it here and it be like really this big emphasis,

1570
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,840
Like I just hated it. I don't know, I hated

1571
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,239
Loak going out on his own.

1572
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,319
Speaker 2: You didn't like the blind whale like I'm blind and

1573
01:18:29,359 --> 01:18:31,039
I will take my revenge.

1574
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: Or what I was talking about. I didn't uh didn't

1575
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,960
love that. I didn't love like the when they're having

1576
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,800
the council, it's like, you will not speak here. You're

1577
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:42,920
an outside, You're not allowed to speak here because again

1578
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,279
this is just way of water stuff that we're just

1579
01:18:44,319 --> 01:18:48,880
picking up here in this movie. And then the Turuk

1580
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,159
Maktau is back. He's assembling all the clans. They're having this.

1581
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:55,119
Another council Loak shows up. They're like, you can't be

1582
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:58,199
here again. Uh well, no I must speak. It's like, okay,

1583
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:00,560
you're allowed to speak, and then he speaks, and then

1584
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,159
they're like, oh, okay, yeah, you're right. Like it's just

1585
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,359
why the fuck are we doing this? Seriously, like like

1586
01:19:06,399 --> 01:19:09,199
we could have cut an hour off this movie if

1587
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:11,359
we didn't do this, or we could have spent that

1588
01:19:11,399 --> 01:19:14,119
with the ash people and like like actually doing new,

1589
01:19:14,199 --> 01:19:17,439
interesting stuff that wasn't just picking up from the last movie.

1590
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,520
So that was another thing that was just really really

1591
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,560
really bugging me down. I think that's a major reason

1592
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,840
that would like like be my cons for this movie

1593
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,640
is just like, man, just know that that storyline is

1594
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:32,439
just dead and we don't care about that anymore. Like

1595
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,520
if the next movie comes out and we have more

1596
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,319
of these fucking whales, get in mind, Like I don't

1597
01:19:37,359 --> 01:19:39,600
give a shit about that at all. Let's go somewhere

1598
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,640
else with this. I was, yeah, super annoyed by that,

1599
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,079
and like it just and actually before you go with

1600
01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:49,399
that too. That was another thing that I was just

1601
01:19:49,399 --> 01:19:53,760
getting pissed off with Jake Sulei about because in the

1602
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,680
first movie he goes through like major growth of a character, right,

1603
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,600
like he's one with the people. Next movie, Wave of Water,

1604
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:04,000
father protects, that's his whole goal. Fucking hates Loak Loach,

1605
01:20:04,119 --> 01:20:07,560
never listens, He's always fucking shit up, gets his brother killed.

1606
01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:12,960
And then I feel like in that moment, Jake Suley

1607
01:20:13,039 --> 01:20:15,199
is like, oh, it's it's probably not my son's fault,

1608
01:20:15,279 --> 01:20:17,319
like I probably shouldn't blame him in this, But then

1609
01:20:17,359 --> 01:20:19,600
we just fucking scratched that because in this movie again

1610
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,720
he's like, your brother would still be around if you

1611
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,560
just fucking listen. You're such a terrible son. And then

1612
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,199
like the Teary's talking to him and he's like I

1613
01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:29,840
have nothing to talk to him about, and I'm like,

1614
01:20:30,319 --> 01:20:33,119
this is such a this is such a fucking jar head,

1615
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:35,640
stupid Jake Suley move. And that's where I think, like

1616
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,079
Jake Suey just peaked in that first movie because he

1617
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:42,560
just like he uh digressed, So that's where we'd regressed,

1618
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,520
I guess on his just growth of a character. It's

1619
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:46,640
just man.

1620
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,279
Speaker 2: Trying to pitch to Korich too earlier on like you know, yeah,

1621
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,520
you have new eyes, but you haven't opened them. You know,

1622
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,800
you gotta connect with something fred than yourself in this world.

1623
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,119
And it's like this is before he tries to slit

1624
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,439
Spider's throat and tries to, you know, let his son

1625
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:06,039
kill himself, like Jesus Christ, and like, man, his son.

1626
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 1: Is like what thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, let's say maybe sixteen

1627
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,600
at most, and he's like actually putting the blame on

1628
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:17,239
his like probably favorite son's death on this poor kid,

1629
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,880
and like he's just letting him fuck off, Like I

1630
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,359
have nothing to talk to him about it. There's the

1631
01:21:22,399 --> 01:21:27,000
guy like it son Jesus, oh my god, yeah, like

1632
01:21:27,039 --> 01:21:30,279
a near suicide, and like Jakes Lely wouldn't have even

1633
01:21:30,319 --> 01:21:33,199
fucking cared, like seriously, like okay, maybe it would have

1634
01:21:33,279 --> 01:21:35,199
to see any he would have cared, but like his

1635
01:21:35,319 --> 01:21:39,800
behavior is just so ass backwards, and it like it

1636
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,760
was just so frustrating because it just feels like we

1637
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,840
like he goes through such an evolution from that first movie,

1638
01:21:45,119 --> 01:21:47,520
but then second movie is just he's a marine and

1639
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,319
there's literally a line in here again where he's like

1640
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,960
I'm a marine, That's what I'll always be, Like, I'm

1641
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,199
a human. But the whole first movie is literally him

1642
01:21:55,239 --> 01:21:59,000
going from that to a full on novve like like

1643
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,439
fully with the people, and then no, he's just fucking

1644
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,680
jar head clan like ah, Like when we have scenes

1645
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,600
like that, like how am I supposed to believe that

1646
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,239
this guy is the fucking lea leasan al gaib, like

1647
01:22:10,279 --> 01:22:13,720
he's there to rock mak Tau, he's the chosen one,

1648
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,560
Like he fucking hates his son and lets his son

1649
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,159
almost go commit suicide because he's such a piece of

1650
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:22,800
shit father Like that was so frustrating for me. I'm sorry.

1651
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:24,359
I knew you were gonna go somewhere a little bit earlier,

1652
01:22:24,359 --> 01:22:25,479
but I just had to get that off my chest

1653
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,640
because I was just so upset with Jake suit Lee

1654
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,199
on that. And he's gonna be around for nine movies

1655
01:22:30,199 --> 01:22:32,439
and he's probably gonna be doing the same fucking thing

1656
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,960
because this guy never learns and he just he peaked

1657
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:35,840
in that first movie.

1658
01:22:36,319 --> 01:22:39,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember where I was gonna go.

1659
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry. We know we were talking about with

1660
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,880
like low Ac and and the whales, And.

1661
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was that. That was it, the whales.

1662
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,039
The whales. I didn't uh, I didn't necessarily need that

1663
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,399
on repeat again. Here, I feel like we've got a

1664
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,319
couple of scenes where they're like they're pouring the golden

1665
01:22:56,399 --> 01:22:57,960
juice in the vial and they're like close up with

1666
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,000
their faces, they're like salivating them, not in their head.

1667
01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:01,680
It's like, yeah, it's like, oh, yeah, we got to

1668
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,399
we're touching on this again. Okay is what they're after.

1669
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,319
But yeah, no, it wasn't something that I really was

1670
01:23:08,399 --> 01:23:11,760
looking for. And granted, like that first Avatar movie, you

1671
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,520
get usually that one big sentimental emotional scene, and that

1672
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,560
first one was when the home tree got destroyed and

1673
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,760
you're just thinking, oh wow, humans suck. These bastards, you know,

1674
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,239
betray our race. And then in this the second one,

1675
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:27,039
Way of Water, it's when you get that calm, quiet

1676
01:23:27,039 --> 01:23:28,960
scene of them hunting the whales and they kill them

1677
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:30,720
and you see the baby die and everything. It's like,

1678
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,960
oh wow, humans just fucking suck. Oh my god. And

1679
01:23:34,039 --> 01:23:35,720
I was waiting for that in this one, but we

1680
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,199
didn't really get it, and I was kind of hoping,

1681
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,640
you know, not that I hope to feel like a

1682
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:45,199
piece of shit, But I like seeing that big ultimate

1683
01:23:45,279 --> 01:23:49,279
scene in Avatar War. You get to see your antagonists

1684
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:52,960
make a play like that that kind of just really

1685
01:23:53,399 --> 01:23:55,600
sets the tone. And I don't think we really got

1686
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,760
that because it was just a quick fire whale hunt

1687
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:58,640
like we saw before.

1688
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, because I feel like we did have some

1689
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,680
of those moments, but they were just like lesser versions

1690
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,119
of what we got on Way of Water. Because Whale

1691
01:24:06,199 --> 01:24:08,439
Water there's the extended whale hunt scene. You get a

1692
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,239
really quick one here, and then you get them just

1693
01:24:11,319 --> 01:24:14,520
torturing more like they're just torching more villages, right, like

1694
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:19,399
like where is actually? I just got reminded when they're

1695
01:24:19,399 --> 01:24:22,359
looking for Spider and the same thing like uh Korich

1696
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,039
with the ash people they like has the monitor. It's

1697
01:24:25,039 --> 01:24:28,960
like Spider, where is he? They're like showing up photo Spider.

1698
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,600
It just was so goofy. But yeah, so I I

1699
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,079
see what you're what you're saying. It wasn't really anything

1700
01:24:35,119 --> 01:24:36,880
different from what we got from Wave Water, just a

1701
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:41,439
lesser version of that. Yeah, to emphasize, you know, humanity

1702
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:42,199
fucking sucks.

1703
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, That's all I got for whales.

1704
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let the whales be gone.

1705
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1706
01:24:51,279 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 1: I don't really have anything else to say on Jake Suley,

1707
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,760
Like he gets the Tucke Macto again at the very

1708
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,920
start of the movie. I think I can't remember who

1709
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,239
he's talking to. Maybe it's an A Tierri. They're like, oh, yeah,

1710
01:25:03,279 --> 01:25:06,880
like you're Turouck Macto and he's like no, He's like,

1711
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,000
that's not me anymore. I'm never gonna be that again.

1712
01:25:09,039 --> 01:25:10,920
And I literally and like this is probably less than

1713
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,720
twenty minutes, and I turn over my right. I'm like,

1714
01:25:13,039 --> 01:25:15,359
that's fucking bullshit. I guarantee you in this movie he's

1715
01:25:15,399 --> 01:25:18,239
gonna be to Rock Macto again. And then sure enough,

1716
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,319
end of the movie, he goes up to his cave. Hey,

1717
01:25:20,319 --> 01:25:23,760
old buddy, let's ride again. And okay, you know, you

1718
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:25,960
get your cool scene. It's like a slow most scene

1719
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,520
of him and the tiery like all war painted up.

1720
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,560
It's just a repeat it the first movie though here

1721
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,399
right like when he gets truck Macto. Okay, now, go

1722
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,119
to all the other clans, assemble them to tell them

1723
01:25:37,119 --> 01:25:39,760
that t Uck Macto wants them. He's literally like a

1724
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,880
word for word, the exact scor same score. He's wearing

1725
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,760
the exact same like war paint on. They have like

1726
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,640
the exact same gear. It was just, okay, let's do

1727
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,199
this again. And guess what the worst part is, I

1728
01:25:52,279 --> 01:25:54,720
fucking ate it up again. That that fight scene where

1729
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:56,840
they're ambushing up. I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's go.

1730
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,159
Speaker 2: This is awesome. You know why you like it, It's because

1731
01:25:59,159 --> 01:26:01,880
I feel like an art S game, it really does

1732
01:26:02,359 --> 01:26:04,199
popping units out and deploying.

1733
01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:06,520
Speaker 1: When you're like twenty five minutes into your RTS match

1734
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,279
where it's like, hey, I finally am in like the

1735
01:26:08,359 --> 01:26:11,840
last stage. I've got like the top tier units, everything's upgraded,

1736
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,319
and I'm just surrounding my enemies here the ambush sequence

1737
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:19,960
goes off. So yeah, that's definitely an accurate, accurate observation.

1738
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:20,520
I'd say.

1739
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,319
Speaker 2: The thing with Jake Silly here is to connect how

1740
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:25,279
I will say his beast that he was writing, I

1741
01:26:25,319 --> 01:26:28,760
feel like it was much smaller than its size in

1742
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:29,439
the first movie.

1743
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: I agree. Actually, yeah, okay, I.

1744
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 2: Just say that because like in the first movie when

1745
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,840
they're all at the Tree of Souls and like he lands,

1746
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,159
I feel like it looks fucking huge, and I get

1747
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:41,680
it has a good but it is. Yes, it's massive.

1748
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,399
And then here when he lands, it's like this thing

1749
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,119
just looks super tiny, much smaller. So maybe just with

1750
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:50,439
age he shrinks down. I don't know, but I will

1751
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,079
say too, he's pulling in weak numbers, you know, go

1752
01:26:53,159 --> 01:26:55,560
to the New York gleans nearby and bring everyone in,

1753
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:59,039
like fucking weak fucking numbers, because when you look at

1754
01:26:59,039 --> 01:27:01,279
what he had in that first movie, I think Korge

1755
01:27:01,319 --> 01:27:05,319
said that there was over twenty thousand. Like where those

1756
01:27:05,359 --> 01:27:06,319
fucking numbers at?

1757
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:11,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it was few and far between for sure.

1758
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,720
All Right, we're gonna take our will probably be our

1759
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:17,319
last ad break and we'll be way back. All right,

1760
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:23,479
we are back. Yeah, the big action scene. I don't

1761
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:29,399
really have anything else to like single out in that sequence. Yeah, no,

1762
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:31,880
it was I think we kind of touched upon little

1763
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,640
individual things. The whales you know, come in and pop off,

1764
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:39,119
they do their big breach. Just such a fucking stupid

1765
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:43,239
rule to me, honestly, it's like killing will bring more bloodshed. Well,

1766
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,279
like don't they already kill things? Because they kill like

1767
01:27:46,319 --> 01:27:49,760
those creatures like when low act, well.

1768
01:27:50,119 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 2: Fuck these squids, let's kill them.

1769
01:27:52,119 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they fuck them up. And like they say, like

1770
01:27:55,039 --> 01:27:57,239
only the outsider is the one that does that. But

1771
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:01,720
all these all these things were fucking them up. Stupid reasoning,

1772
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:05,359
absolutely stupid reasoning, and like it's only gonna cause more bloodshed. Well,

1773
01:28:05,399 --> 01:28:08,319
these guys are here to genocide you, so maybe kill

1774
01:28:08,319 --> 01:28:10,000
those guys and then you can be peaceful. Like it

1775
01:28:10,079 --> 01:28:13,520
was just stupid reasoning. And again it's all tied into

1776
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,880
the stupid fucking whales and their plot. And like we've

1777
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,479
just spent so long on like will we go to war?

1778
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:21,680
It's like we're doing I don't want to compare it

1779
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,359
to it, because Lord of the Rings is amazing and

1780
01:28:23,399 --> 01:28:25,000
I like that version so much more. But it's like

1781
01:28:25,039 --> 01:28:27,600
the ants doing their their ant moot will we go

1782
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,760
to war? Will we not? And like it fits that story,

1783
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,800
But here we're doing some action and then and then

1784
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:36,800
we just cut to these whales again and it's just like,

1785
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,439
fuck these whales, man, I don't know, I'm I'm I'm

1786
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,039
done with them. I'm done with them. Let's let them

1787
01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:46,720
be gone. But oh sorry, no, go ahead, I was

1788
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,159
just gonna go to the other Uh, just emphasize the

1789
01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:51,319
other action scene kind of the beginning with the with

1790
01:28:51,359 --> 01:28:55,600
the sales and everything. Just like the creature design was

1791
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,039
really cool, Like you have these like big blimp things,

1792
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:03,239
these like alien Manu.

1793
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:04,239
Speaker 2: Manta ray things.

1794
01:29:04,319 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Manta rays essentially, that's what they look like. Just

1795
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:11,399
really cool visuals, really really cool sequence. I really like,

1796
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:13,520
like the air raid coming in with their like their

1797
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,840
smoke trail, like the Ash people. Just a really cool

1798
01:29:17,119 --> 01:29:18,640
sequence that I was really eating up.

1799
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and on top of that, when the the Sahik

1800
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,760
flying with her companion there the Ash people and the

1801
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,159
one Ash guy like gets his little lighter like I

1802
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:31,439
am the fire and then she shoots him and he

1803
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:37,239
just fucking bursts into nap. He's a war boy. Caught

1804
01:29:37,279 --> 01:29:40,520
me off guard. I fucking gassed. Man, Holy shit.

1805
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,079
Speaker 1: I was so confused as to what the motivation was

1806
01:29:45,119 --> 01:29:47,399
because he's like he like holds up his thing like

1807
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,399
should I do this? Should I go to and she

1808
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,319
just fucking lights them up and then he just goes

1809
01:29:51,359 --> 01:29:53,680
right into the blimp. I was laughing because it was

1810
01:29:53,760 --> 01:30:00,359
just making me think of fucking Nicholas Yoker. They get

1811
01:30:00,359 --> 01:30:04,840
the chrome spray of their mouth, witness same same sort

1812
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,960
of energy, which I which I absolutely love.

1813
01:30:07,279 --> 01:30:09,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was visually that was That was really awesome.

1814
01:30:09,319 --> 01:30:10,800
I like when Jake Suley was on top and he

1815
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:12,640
was shooting at them and then he like go had

1816
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,920
to jump off and he's just like sliding down and

1817
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,760
it's just intense and everyone gets divided here and the

1818
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,520
tiary gets shot in the shoulder and then she falls

1819
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,159
down and yeah, just really really crazy sequence. But I

1820
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:28,199
really really liked it. And again, I feel like not

1821
01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:30,520
all the ships were destroyed, so some of them got away.

1822
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:31,880
It would have been cool to kind of see them

1823
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,720
maybe circle back. One thing to note too is those

1824
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,479
navi that were operating the ships, like the scaley Wag types,

1825
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:43,039
they were very well They were well off, well educated.

1826
01:30:43,119 --> 01:30:45,359
They're very different from any NAVI we've seen before. All

1827
01:30:45,359 --> 01:30:50,800
the other ones very they're very tribal, total village oriented,

1828
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,760
and these ones are like no, they more modern, very

1829
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,800
much more modern. Yeah, it was crazy and.

1830
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,239
Speaker 1: Like very I feel like like when we see other tribes,

1831
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:03,520
they're like super were like what's the word I'm looking for?

1832
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,119
Like like our way is our way? We don't really

1833
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:08,800
want to bring out like outsiders in but like these

1834
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,119
other ones were totally social, like they were totally fine

1835
01:31:11,119 --> 01:31:13,199
with taking Spider and like they weren't really thrown off

1836
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:15,840
that like Spider was there, Like they just seemed like yeah,

1837
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:20,359
like you said, like just more yeah, just more modern,

1838
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,800
which like we're using them for like ten minutes, so I.

1839
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:25,159
Speaker 2: Kind of.

1840
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:27,239
Speaker 1: Sale.

1841
01:31:27,359 --> 01:31:28,560
Speaker 2: It's like, what the fuck? How do they know all

1842
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:29,199
these terms?

1843
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:38,039
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I liked all that. What else? What was

1844
01:31:38,039 --> 01:31:38,560
I gonna say?

1845
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 2: Oh?

1846
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: Uh, the whale poatry guy. Last thing I'll say on

1847
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,239
this guy his his like right hand man in the

1848
01:31:45,359 --> 01:31:47,359
in the last sequence. I swear to god, he's like

1849
01:31:47,399 --> 01:31:49,680
the b rate Rock. He looked just like Dwayne the

1850
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,920
Rock Johnson, but just like b version. He looked the

1851
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:56,640
same tattoos, pretty jack dude bald, and we went to

1852
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,560
him like multiple times, and I'm just like, is this

1853
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,399
guy supposed to be Dwayne Johnson? Like like that's literally

1854
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:02,279
what they're going for here.

1855
01:32:02,319 --> 01:32:04,680
Speaker 2: It was a big shark tooth necklace or whale tooth

1856
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,000
like yeah, like.

1857
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: The Mawana MAUI like like shark tooth thing to get

1858
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,680
a ma Wana too trailer or a Moana one live

1859
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:16,119
action trailer at our screening. Oh I didn't, he didn't.

1860
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:17,319
I got Odyssey.

1861
01:32:18,079 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 2: I didn't get on Avengers got Avengers.

1862
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 1: Maybe I went in late actually because I walked in

1863
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,319
when the Anaconda trailer was going on.

1864
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 2: Didn't get into Conda. We got Mandalorian and then they

1865
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,880
added that actor Mandalorian. Did you and you saw the

1866
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,880
extra like fight sequence they threw in at the end

1867
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:32,399
of the trailer.

1868
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the first trailer i'd see.

1869
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,039
Speaker 2: It was the first trailer. Yeah, and I think they

1870
01:32:38,079 --> 01:32:40,239
because they added that him fighting the aliens at the

1871
01:32:40,359 --> 01:32:42,119
end is like, I think that yet I saw the

1872
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:42,640
game after.

1873
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, no, it was the It was the first

1874
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:49,239
time I'd seen any of those trailers actually Odyssey Avengers,

1875
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,960
which I kind of just chuckled at. It's just me

1876
01:32:53,039 --> 01:32:54,920
and hid allgo we're kind of laughing at that. It's

1877
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,119
just like, remember those characters from the last good Avengers

1878
01:32:58,119 --> 01:33:00,600
movie that we just that you guys love of, Well,

1879
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,760
they're back. People can see our movie.

1880
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,079
Speaker 2: People guess they saw that reveal. I heard someone.

1881
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: Drop a no way, like, oh, I wish I could

1882
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,039
be like that, you know, you know, I love covering

1883
01:33:13,079 --> 01:33:15,199
all these things. Obviously doing the podcast is fun, but

1884
01:33:15,279 --> 01:33:17,520
like I kind of missed that, Like, first time I

1885
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,520
see a trailers in the theater and like, oh my god,

1886
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,319
he's back, like they're doing another one with him. That's crazy.

1887
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,880
And the big countdown that happened, it was like one year.

1888
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:29,319
It was nice exactly. Yeah, And dude, the Odyssey, Holy fuck,

1889
01:33:29,319 --> 01:33:30,439
I'm excited for that movie.

1890
01:33:30,319 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 2: Didn't get a trailer, but I'm excited.

1891
01:33:32,399 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 1: For you, July, I believe released for that.

1892
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 2: Back to uh, the Whaler here, we don't.

1893
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,399
Speaker 1: Have to unless you have something to say on the Whaler?

1894
01:33:44,039 --> 01:33:45,159
Speaker 2: Did you have any more on the Whaler?

1895
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,600
Speaker 1: Just the Michael beat. Not Michael. This is his friend,

1896
01:33:49,039 --> 01:33:53,199
his buddy Rock. Yeah, that's fair.

1897
01:33:53,279 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 2: I liked it. When you know their whole fleet gets

1898
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,039
fucking decimating, he's like, all right, we got a drop

1899
01:33:58,079 --> 01:34:01,760
to do, let's go. Yeah, and e rate discount. John

1900
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:05,119
Johnson is just like, what are you seriously serious?

1901
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:10,239
Speaker 1: There's one hundred billion dollars in that code, which so

1902
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:11,239
fucking stupid.

1903
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:15,399
Speaker 2: When when the ship, their main capital ship, gets destroyed,

1904
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,960
I guess the general stays on board because she's like

1905
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:19,800
evacuate the ship because its getting sucked up into the

1906
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,560
like helium vortex thing. But then it cuts to the

1907
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,880
bridge and it shows her like doing a dolphin dive

1908
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:29,279
and fucking explodes, So she just died for no reason.

1909
01:34:30,039 --> 01:34:32,600
Speaker 1: But like there's like a scene too, like yeah, because

1910
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,880
she says like like abandoned ship and then everybody scatters,

1911
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:37,840
but the next scene is like them all just back

1912
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,840
on on. It was like that scene was like filmed

1913
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,039
out of order or something. It was really weird and bad.

1914
01:34:43,119 --> 01:34:44,680
But then it goes to like a like a shot

1915
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,880
of her and she like turns around and her face. Dude,

1916
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,520
it's like it's like Marvin Harry level like whole like

1917
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,560
like it is such a goofy reaction. I just I

1918
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,319
laugh so hard. And that general character I'm not a

1919
01:34:56,359 --> 01:34:58,600
fan of at all. I will not miss her way

1920
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,880
of water. She was annoying. Here you're less, so I

1921
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:03,800
guess because she has less scenes, but like still she

1922
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,359
was just so annoying. Not a fan of that character

1923
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,960
at all. And she has no power at all, Like

1924
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,000
like she she's like Boston around like the CEO guy.

1925
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:16,800
But then like Kortz just does whatever the fuck he wants.

1926
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:19,119
Like he's just like like he's like, yeah, I know,

1927
01:35:19,159 --> 01:35:21,039
we're not gonna do that. We're just gonna do my plan,

1928
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:24,079
and like nothing really happens weird.

1929
01:35:24,119 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's a repeat of the first movie, because

1930
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,399
that's CEO guy he comes in, which alludes to do

1931
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,479
I need to talk to the chairman. It's like, Okay,

1932
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,479
who's this big battie that's kind of pulling the strings

1933
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:37,560
and organizing everything here? I'm curious about that. But he

1934
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,520
comes in and he just like in the first movie,

1935
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,600
he's trying to, you know, establish the order of things

1936
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,159
and this is how it goes, shareholders whatever and money.

1937
01:35:45,319 --> 01:35:47,079
But then it's always the military. And the first one,

1938
01:35:47,159 --> 01:35:49,159
Korch takes control from him and just leads a whole

1939
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:51,520
military war, and then in this one it's the same thing.

1940
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,199
The military general is like, I'll have you in cuffs,

1941
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:57,359
and he's like and they drag him away because he's like,

1942
01:35:57,399 --> 01:36:00,640
you can't kill Spider like all this shit, right, The

1943
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:02,960
military just keeps taking control in these movies, and they

1944
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:08,199
keep getting fucking annihilated. Yeah, that's my friend.

1945
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,239
Speaker 1: It's fair Rance. I I mean, I don't really have

1946
01:36:13,279 --> 01:36:15,119
notes going off the top of my head, but uh,

1947
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,039
I've been kind of just looking at the poster and

1948
01:36:18,079 --> 01:36:20,279
going at like in order of all the characters, kind

1949
01:36:20,279 --> 01:36:21,760
of hitting my main points, and I feel like we've

1950
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:25,079
kind of covered all of them. Low Ac. We didn't

1951
01:36:25,079 --> 01:36:28,119
really talk about him a lot, but like I didn't really.

1952
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna kill you so much. I

1953
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,840
thought he was gonna let trigger and do himself in

1954
01:36:32,279 --> 01:36:32,920
I really did.

1955
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,520
Speaker 1: It's pretty fucked up too, because like he almost did

1956
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:38,640
it and then like three seconds later his girlfriend and

1957
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:40,520
his sister come around, so like they literally would have

1958
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,560
just found him brains blown out on the beach. Like

1959
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,000
that's how they would have found him. That's pretty fucking dark.

1960
01:36:46,119 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 2: And so magic healed him or something did.

1961
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 1: Like the moan thing which he's saving Spider. Oh, Like

1962
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,000
that scene went on way too long, man, that was

1963
01:36:58,079 --> 01:37:04,079
so weird. It's one thing to have like a couple,

1964
01:37:04,119 --> 01:37:07,199
but like I swear that scene like went from them

1965
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:09,239
to another scene and then back to them, and she's

1966
01:37:09,279 --> 01:37:11,520
still just doing her mones and they pass out.

1967
01:37:14,399 --> 01:37:16,159
Speaker 2: It means that she was doing at least for like

1968
01:37:16,199 --> 01:37:16,600
an hour.

1969
01:37:17,239 --> 01:37:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is very bizarre, very bizarre.

1970
01:37:25,079 --> 01:37:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1971
01:37:25,319 --> 01:37:27,039
Speaker 1: I think I'm getting tired, But I really don't have

1972
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:29,520
much more to say on this movie. What about you?

1973
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 2: I don't really have much else. No, that's it.

1974
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:36,359
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm gonna double emphasize this because I've been railing

1975
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:40,159
on it. Best fucking visuals I think I've seen on

1976
01:37:40,199 --> 01:37:44,119
a live action movie. It is that stellar highly recommended

1977
01:37:44,119 --> 01:37:44,399
three D.

1978
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 2: I like on par considering they were done back to back.

1979
01:37:48,279 --> 01:37:51,319
Say it again on par with two's visuals, considering that

1980
01:37:51,359 --> 01:37:51,960
they were filmed back.

1981
01:37:52,199 --> 01:37:55,039
Speaker 1: Well, like, I rewatched it obviously at home, not in

1982
01:37:55,079 --> 01:37:57,560
three D, so like it didn't look as good as

1983
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,520
what the theater experience would have been. And I was

1984
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,199
trying to remember, like if the second movie looked that good.

1985
01:38:02,279 --> 01:38:04,279
I'm sure it looked better than the first movie, maybe

1986
01:38:04,359 --> 01:38:07,600
less so than this one, just because you know time,

1987
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:11,000
I guess, but uh, they probably were on part but

1988
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:13,359
like just multiple times while I was watching it, I'm

1989
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:15,960
just like, I don't understand how it's so smooth looking,

1990
01:38:16,079 --> 01:38:18,800
Like when I go to movies, it's not that smooth,

1991
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,600
Like sometimes you get like the fps weird, like it

1992
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,800
just looks a little bit leggy, but like not like

1993
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:27,319
it looks so smooth and so clean, And with three

1994
01:38:27,399 --> 01:38:29,800
D it's always like, oh I just get nauseous watching

1995
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,359
a three D movie, But like it it looked so good,

1996
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:34,159
so I'll tip.

1997
01:38:34,039 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 2: Use a lot of waters Cameron to make this movie.

1998
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,520
Speaker 1: The water look gorgeous. Everything looks so good, and there's

1999
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:45,520
so much like you know, remember the great movie Morbius.

2000
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:47,520
There's so many moments in that, or even like the

2001
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:50,279
first Venom movie, there's so many moments where it's like

2002
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:53,159
a cement truck of just you can't see anything that's

2003
01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:56,640
going on. There's just cgi characters rolling around, and multiple

2004
01:38:56,640 --> 01:39:00,840
times in this movie there is action scene with like

2005
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,439
tens of thousands of moving parts. Whether it's the ships,

2006
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:09,039
whether it's the whales, whether it's the flyers on the water,

2007
01:39:09,319 --> 01:39:11,319
maybe it's the flyers under the water, maybe it's the

2008
01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:14,319
flyers in the air. There's so much stuff going on

2009
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:17,000
and I can still like discern everything that's going on.

2010
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:19,239
I'm not gonna say I know who's on which team

2011
01:39:19,319 --> 01:39:22,199
because there's a lot of different novie looking motherfuckers out there,

2012
01:39:22,199 --> 01:39:25,560
but like to just have all of those movie pieces

2013
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:27,840
and not be like, I have no idea what's going on?

2014
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:30,600
Come on, Like, even if you hate the script, you

2015
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,039
have to at least appreciate the visuals. I think of that,

2016
01:39:33,079 --> 01:39:35,199
and if you can't, I feel like you're just kind

2017
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:38,399
of lying to yourself. There you know, little minor shot there,

2018
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:42,439
dyl Muss maybe, but I really appreciate the visual of

2019
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:45,199
this movie, and I expect more of the same if

2020
01:39:45,199 --> 01:39:47,520
we get that next one, which I haven't checked, like

2021
01:39:48,319 --> 01:39:50,800
predictions for the box office or like what's it called?

2022
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:55,239
Like the what's it called when it's.

2023
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:57,159
Speaker 2: Projections?

2024
01:39:57,359 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 1: Projections? Thank you? Like I haven't looked at any of that,

2025
01:40:00,079 --> 01:40:03,359
but judge about my theater, and like the fact that

2026
01:40:03,359 --> 01:40:05,279
this is Avatar, I feel like this is just gonna

2027
01:40:05,279 --> 01:40:10,920
be a big money maker. Yeah, I don't know, I'm

2028
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:12,039
running spot on.

2029
01:40:12,119 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 2: No you said that spot On. The visuals are unmatched,

2030
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:17,640
especially in a day and age where CGI is very

2031
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:21,039
questionable and you run into a lot of very bad scenes.

2032
01:40:21,079 --> 01:40:22,720
Like I would love to get back to that era

2033
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,520
of two thousand early two thousand, thousand and five CGI,

2034
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:29,600
like Davy Jones and just all the other movies that

2035
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:32,800
were popping off then. That just looks so damn good,

2036
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:34,960
like they just knew what they were doing back then,

2037
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,640
and now there's just so.

2038
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 1: Much better than that bad.

2039
01:40:38,359 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, So I just think that we're on the

2040
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:45,840
right track. And if you're gonna do movies that explore

2041
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,199
fantastical things like this, you gotta have, you know, CGI

2042
01:40:49,319 --> 01:40:52,319
that is at least I know it's expensive technology, but

2043
01:40:52,359 --> 01:40:55,039
don't make it shitty. At least have it somewhat in

2044
01:40:55,119 --> 01:41:00,079
that same category of what is what Avatar produces. And

2045
01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:02,479
I'm not saying you need the high expensive cameras underwater

2046
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:04,840
and all that crazy shit, but just kind of match

2047
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,319
up because Avatar creates a beautiful world. When I see

2048
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,960
the grass and the water and everything, I just want

2049
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:13,079
to lay in that water and just fucking drink the

2050
01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:15,479
whole ocean. It just looks like it would just give

2051
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:19,279
me eternal youth and just roll around in the grass

2052
01:41:19,359 --> 01:41:22,840
and just climb the trees, like, oh, it just looks fantastic.

2053
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:26,920
So they definitely do a fantastic jump bringing the world

2054
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,079
to life. And you're right, all the moving parts, whether

2055
01:41:29,119 --> 01:41:32,319
it's them walking at nighttime and then they start to glow,

2056
01:41:32,399 --> 01:41:35,000
and then walking through the swamp and the swamp water's glowing,

2057
01:41:35,319 --> 01:41:40,960
or you know, you're in the courch's interrogation room with

2058
01:41:41,039 --> 01:41:43,560
Spider and he's just talking there and then his tail

2059
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:45,960
is like moving in the background doing his own thing.

2060
01:41:46,279 --> 01:41:49,880
It just there's so many little subtleties that they throw

2061
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:53,319
in there, which makes it worthwhile to watch not just

2062
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:55,439
like a second time, but a third time or a

2063
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:57,720
fourth time, because you're going to see things that you miss.

2064
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:01,119
And I still see things first movie and that second

2065
01:42:01,159 --> 01:42:04,119
movie that I miss when I rewatched them, So I

2066
01:42:04,119 --> 01:42:07,199
think that adds a lot more rewatchability totally.

2067
01:42:10,119 --> 01:42:15,600
Speaker 1: What do you think? Number wise? I kind of didn't

2068
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:17,199
think about this till now, So.

2069
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 2: I wish I knew I'm gonna judge one. I'm sorry,

2070
01:42:21,079 --> 01:42:22,439
I wish I knew what I gave the second one.

2071
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:25,159
Speaker 1: Do you know what you gave me to? Actually I don't.

2072
01:42:25,359 --> 01:42:27,239
I kind of meant to pop up the review to

2073
01:42:27,279 --> 01:42:32,479
listen to it because it's interesting because first movie. I

2074
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,800
still really love Second movie. I think just because it

2075
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:39,159
had been so much time from that first movie to

2076
01:42:39,239 --> 01:42:44,199
seeing an Avatar in theaters and like, like the visual

2077
01:42:44,279 --> 01:42:46,920
jump was just so spectacular. I was kind of just

2078
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,560
blown away by that, which I still am in this movie.

2079
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,640
Don't don't get me wrong, but I think I'm just

2080
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:53,680
giving it less of a pass on like some of

2081
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:55,600
the writing stuff, because I was just so blown away

2082
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:58,600
visually from that second one, and then also today looking

2083
01:42:58,600 --> 01:42:59,960
through all of them and then just kind of see

2084
01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:03,000
where we falter. I still have this movie higher than

2085
01:43:03,039 --> 01:43:06,359
the second movie, just because we spend a lot of

2086
01:43:06,359 --> 01:43:08,760
time like there's no intergory really in that second, like

2087
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,199
she's there but not really doing anything, and we spend

2088
01:43:11,239 --> 01:43:12,960
a lot of time with like the kids and stuff,

2089
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:15,600
which I just don't really care too much about. Unfortunately

2090
01:43:17,079 --> 01:43:20,159
this movie. I like stuff that's introduced, but like so

2091
01:43:20,279 --> 01:43:22,239
much waste of potential really brings it down for me.

2092
01:43:22,279 --> 01:43:24,119
But I would still put it above Way of Water.

2093
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:29,079
So all of that being said, I think I would

2094
01:43:29,079 --> 01:43:34,920
give Way of Water. I'm bringing this up just to

2095
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:38,760
have a comparison, I guess, but I think that would

2096
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,880
be maybe more in the sixth range, and this I

2097
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,760
would have, Like I think I'm gonna put it at

2098
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:47,479
clean seven just to seven out of ten. I think

2099
01:43:48,399 --> 01:43:49,920
I think that's a fine spot to put it now,

2100
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,640
because I maybe at most it would be like a

2101
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:54,640
seven point twenty five, but I'm gonna keep it at

2102
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:57,039
a seven right now, just because I was really frustrated

2103
01:43:57,079 --> 01:44:01,239
with with Jake Suley, really frustrated with the lack there

2104
01:44:01,279 --> 01:44:07,079
of ash people visuals obviously being like the biggest positive

2105
01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:11,640
of this movie for me and all of the goofy

2106
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:14,000
moments that are like you can you can just say

2107
01:44:14,119 --> 01:44:18,960
is terrible writing. I had fun with. I appreciated I

2108
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,960
I love that chorus was smashing this Ashley, that's that's

2109
01:44:22,039 --> 01:44:27,800
hilarious character. Yeah, Jake Suley almost murdering Spider like that

2110
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:31,439
was such a funny scene to watch. So yeah, overall

2111
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:34,840
scope of the movie, like the movie quality brings it down,

2112
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:40,279
but like enjoyment wise brings it up honestly in my mind,

2113
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:43,640
So I think I'm okay with that there. Fuck the whales.

2114
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:45,840
The whales would be like the biggest hit for why

2115
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:49,079
I don't go above a seven, I think, And honestly

2116
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:50,880
it could maybe sink a little bit lower than that,

2117
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:52,920
But I'm I'm pretty okay with leaving at the seven

2118
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,079
there because the visuals are just are just that good

2119
01:44:55,159 --> 01:44:58,039
and I like it's like a what three three and

2120
01:44:58,039 --> 01:45:00,760
a half hour movie. I we had a lot of

2121
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:02,840
fun with this, Like it was a fun movie going

2122
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:06,119
experience for me, and I would recommend it to people

2123
01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:09,279
that are not super deterred by by what the story is,

2124
01:45:09,279 --> 01:45:11,720
because there is those people out there that just they

2125
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:14,439
fucking hate the Nave, they hate the blue people, and

2126
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:17,039
I get that they hate the script of what these

2127
01:45:17,079 --> 01:45:19,640
movies are. It's totally okay. I wouldn't recommend the movie

2128
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:22,479
to those people because it's still that and it's a

2129
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:25,520
long movie. I do get that, but man visually, for

2130
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,359
a great movie going experience, I had a fun time

2131
01:45:28,399 --> 01:45:29,119
with this m.

2132
01:45:30,079 --> 01:45:33,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said I. Again. I couldn't remember what my

2133
01:45:33,279 --> 01:45:35,840
weir Water rating was, but I checked my letter box

2134
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:37,880
and I gave it a four and a half out

2135
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:40,520
of five stars. So I feel a lot of respect

2136
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:42,720
where Water. I feel like I gave that a little

2137
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,520
too high of a rating now after seeing this, and

2138
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:48,760
I feel like I would change things a bit because

2139
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,680
this was definitely above Way of Water. But this is

2140
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,720
not a ten out of ten movie. So I need

2141
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,960
to go in and I need to alter the dynamic

2142
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:56,560
there a little bit.

2143
01:45:58,239 --> 01:45:58,680
Speaker 1: That's fair.

2144
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:02,119
Speaker 2: I know that first one as a ten out of

2145
01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:04,319
ten for me. I love that first one, So I'm

2146
01:46:04,319 --> 01:46:08,039
gonna say that this one is going to be Tentively

2147
01:46:08,039 --> 01:46:12,239
I'm gonna go I'm gonna say an eight point five

2148
01:46:12,279 --> 01:46:14,640
out of ten. I want to go nine. But I

2149
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:16,800
think there's just a lot of things that they didn't

2150
01:46:17,039 --> 01:46:21,199
capitalize on that worked for me and I'm gonna have to,

2151
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:23,720
like I said, bring down My Way of Water score

2152
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:25,920
a little bit just to be under eight point five.

2153
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,840
Maybe I'll just say it's at an eight. But yeah,

2154
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:32,279
I think this movie. It had strong moments and had

2155
01:46:32,319 --> 01:46:34,199
things I really liked. I'm glad that we got certain

2156
01:46:34,239 --> 01:46:37,119
characters to be brought back into the limelight again. That

2157
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:40,279
was fantastic, But at its core, other characters got shafted.

2158
01:46:40,359 --> 01:46:42,920
Other moments that I wanted to see didn't happen, and

2159
01:46:43,039 --> 01:46:46,520
I feel like we didn't get a lot of exposition

2160
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:50,640
on certain certain things and themes that they established in

2161
01:46:51,039 --> 01:46:53,479
this movie that is just new to us, because you know,

2162
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:56,359
we're visiting Pandora, and every time you visit Pandora, you

2163
01:46:56,359 --> 01:46:58,600
get something new and exciting, and you need a little

2164
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:00,880
bit of context for that, not just a quick, little

2165
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:03,920
one sentence while you're hopped up on flute drugs in

2166
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:10,239
a tent. But it is some strong shit. Another thing

2167
01:47:10,239 --> 01:47:11,760
that I like, too with the jar Heads is when

2168
01:47:12,359 --> 01:47:15,119
like smile bitches and courts like what do you got here?

2169
01:47:15,159 --> 01:47:17,079
He's like, well, a guy from immaging. I promised him

2170
01:47:17,079 --> 01:47:19,560
a case of beer if you'd let you look at this.

2171
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:22,359
When just seeing the Navvy talk like this is just

2172
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,840
it just cracks me up. I love the Call of

2173
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:30,119
Duty Navvy. But yeah, I feel good about that review.

2174
01:47:30,359 --> 01:47:34,640
I feel good about that rating, and I do think, yeah, you,

2175
01:47:35,239 --> 01:47:36,960
this is definitely worth it to see in theaters. Like

2176
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:38,399
we already talked about, it was a good time. The

2177
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:43,079
visuals are unbelievable. I've not seen anything like really match

2178
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:45,239
with this. I wish that Jurassic World could come close

2179
01:47:45,279 --> 01:47:47,640
to visuals like this. I think it's a sin that

2180
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:50,000
Drastic World doesn't. I mean, the only way Dassic World

2181
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:51,760
could beat this is if they were to go back

2182
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:53,840
to practical effects and just get some of that nineteen

2183
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,920
ninety three CGI from the original Drastic Park sprinkle that

2184
01:47:57,039 --> 01:48:00,119
in there. But nope, we're just going full CGI ahead,

2185
01:48:00,279 --> 01:48:02,520
but not the same CGI that they used an avatar

2186
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:09,239
and it's noticeable, but I digress. So yeah, that's uh.

2187
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:10,880
I think that does it for me.

2188
01:48:11,359 --> 01:48:14,560
Speaker 1: All Right, gentlemen, we finished our avatar fire and ash

2189
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,399
suppose review. Let us know what you thought of this.

2190
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:19,920
Go join the discord link will be in description all

2191
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:25,199
that jazz and uh patroon until next time we will.

2192
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,039
We'll see you there. We won't be in Kansas. We'll

2193
01:48:28,039 --> 01:48:30,560
be on Pandora. Bye Bye,