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Speaker 1: This is Pet Life Radio. Let's Talk pets.

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Speaker 2: Hello eline friends, Welcome to Katatude. I'm your show host

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Michelle Byrne. There's so many of us that have cats

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have allergies, and some of us can get by with it,

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like me, but a lot of us can't. I have

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somebody to introduce you to and they're going to explain

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all about cats and allergies and maybe offer some tips

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on what you could do. So stay tuned, will be

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right back.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk pets on Petlife Radio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. I'd like to welcome Dr Evan Zao.

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He is the co founder of pack Again, So welcome

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doctor Zao.

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Speaker 5: Oh thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: So can you give us a little background on yourself.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my name's Evan. I'm a scientist by training. I

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use to specialize by technology, and for the last four

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years or so, I've been starting companies to create products

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that could help people, so that could really help impact

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people's lives. Around a year and a half ago we

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started packaging, which focuses on right now, a product that

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helps with reducing the amount of active cat allergens in

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an area.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about cat allergies. I'm allergic to cats,

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but it's more there for and the reason I did

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actually do that allergy test. I guess it's the old

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school one where you have dots that show up on

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your arms. It was a long time ago. Are there

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any other allergy tests?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's They can do blood work, there's different things

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that they can do try to figure out what you're

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allergic to. But all of them the premise is does

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your immune system react this specific allergen. So they'll take

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a specific allergen from that organism, so whether it's a

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plan or it's an animal, and they'll expose you to

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that allergen and then they'll see if you react to it.

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Speaker 2: Why is it that because a lot of people are

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allergic to cats. A friend of mine, her allergy is

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so extreme she's never seen my house and she just can't.

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So what does it seem among us that cat allergies

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are so much more traumatic than other allergies. And mine's

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not too bad. I just get like a wheezy and

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not itchy, but just wheezy because mind stems, I think

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from mild asthma, and I think it's you know, I

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have a lot. I have three of them, so that's

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a lot, but it's it's dealable, as I say. But

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some of people can't even go in a home where

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a cat, you know, even cats outdoors and they can't

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even still can't even come into the home. Why are

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cat allergies so extreme?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? So alas in general, they are your body's way

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of protecting itself from potential toxins, and naturally it's used

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to try to rid yourself, for example, viruses or bacteria

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that are trying to enter your body. If you think

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about allergies, symptoms, right, so like the you know, you know,

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teary eyes stuff, he knows, coughing, wheezing, right, trying it's

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trying to get whatever is in your body out of

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your body, right, it's trying to block the passages, trying

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to get it out. And you know, unfortunately, allergies to

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animals or allergies to plants, these are your body's immune

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system mistakenly recognizing something from that organism that it now

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thinks is a dangerous thing that it actually isn't a

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dangerous thing. Cat ouralogies are especially dangerous because there is

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one specific allergen from that cat. It's called it's called

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Feldy one. It's an extremely stable allergen, which means it

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doesn't really get broken down, so it stays around forever.

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So you probably have friends visited a house that had

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a cat like ten years ago and they still have

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the same reaction. And this thing, you know, sticks around forever.

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The cat releases it constantly, and it mostly releases it

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through its saliva, but sometimes it sweats it out. And

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what you're referring to standard or it's fur, it actually

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the cat actually licks itself, so the allergen will attach

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to it's fur, It'll attached to its standard and that's

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how it spreads. Otherwise, allergens are really tiny proteins. They

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can't actually spread through the air. So they need to

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attach itself to something, and the dander is just what

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it attaches to, but it actually stems from the cat's

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saliva and it needs to basically latch onto something to

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do so. And unfortunately for us, the cats do lick

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themselves frequently, and so the dander just is able to

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get everywhere. They're perfect sources of transportation for the allergy.

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Speaker 2: They sure are what is that called? It was it

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LD one.

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Speaker 5: LD one, So it's like feline fel d one.

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Speaker 2: And appropriately named. And yes, cats are groomers. I think

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kind of cat. He didn't like it, but the other

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cats i'd be clawed to pieces if I tried to

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even just try that. But with bathing your cat make

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a difference.

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Speaker 5: One hundred percent. Your goal is to try to get

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rid of this allergen, and in almost all cases, an

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allergen is a protein, and one really effective way is

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to bathe the cat showered a cat. Unfortunately, again, you

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know it's easy to do that with dogs, and dogs

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don't lick themselves as much as cats, and so for

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cats you have this really really stable protein, stable allergen,

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really dangerous. There are other biological issues why felty one

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specifically is a very good allergen, but it has to

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do with how it activates your immune system. And it's

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just a very unlucky circumstance.

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Speaker 2: So how does this fealdi one last? Even if a

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cat was in the home like years ago. Here's an

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example that came in my head, floated in my head.

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If you buy a house and there were cat owners

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maybe I don't know that lived in the home, not

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the recent cellar, but the seller, you know, the owner before,

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not the recent owner that's holding the house, but the

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one before. Or is a cat with could that affect someone?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? One hundred percent. Wow, Yeah, there are cases of

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ten years, twenty years, and it's just it just so

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happens to be an extremely stable protein. It's just something

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that like lasts a very long time and everything, you know,

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everything degrades constantly, but this one degrades very very slowly.

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very high temperatures, very high moisture or other crazy conditions. Yeah,

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that protein is probably gonna stay there. You know, it's

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not gonna all stay there. But for example, I don't

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know what the actual numbers would be, but you might

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have still like twenty percent of the amount of allergen

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that was in a house ten years later. It's a

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portion of it, but that twenty percent could still set

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off your allergies. That twenty percent could still give you

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really hard time.

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Speaker 2: Wow, And why are some of us so sensitive to

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certain things to fold one or you know, even other

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things that affect our allergies and some of us are

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just not bothered too much. So like, for example, I

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can stand being with my cats, but I get that wheezy,

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you know feeling, which is related to allergies. My friend

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can't even bother comme in. She would be itchy, blowing up. Whatever.

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it just I mean that will obviously people's bodies react differently.

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But is it just the chemical makeup of each person

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makes the change or how does this work?

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Speaker 5: Of course, the way that your body secures itself is

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through these bodyguard cells. So your body's made up of

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cells there are specific types of cells that are like

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bodyguards that are trying to prevent people from get into

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a club, and so these are called mass cells, but

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you can think of them as like, you know, these

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mostly bodyguards. They have little scanners, and the scanners basically

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scan everything that's trying to get through, and they've only

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let certain things through. Other things, they'll overreact and they'll

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have this you know, you can imagine instead of like

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you know, just punching the thing and you're trying to

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make sure it's out of the club, it will randomly

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combust and set off a set of allergic reactions to

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make sure this thing definitely doesn't get in. That's your

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body's natural immune system. The scanners themselves were obtained in

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a previous instance, So in order to have this allergic reaction,

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you had to have been exposed to this allergen at

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some point previously. And so every person is exposed to

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different allergens as a child, different things, and so every

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person has different sets of the little scanners that the

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bodyguards are holding. And so if you were exposed a

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bunch of cats earlier and your body your bodyguards picked

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up those scanners in which it said oh, if I

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see a cat allergim, I'm going to overreact. I'm going

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to explode and causes allergic reaction. Then you're going to

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have more serious allergic reaction. In fact, the way that

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you actually test for allergies is you test for those scanners.

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for the cat allergen, more likely than not they're going

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to have very serious cat allergies. So the scanners are

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called igeas. There are a certain type of immune protein,

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and if you have more of those, then you're probably

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more allergic to that thing. That's actually what all the

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allergy tests tests for, and those are the final readouts

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that you actually get. And so you know, that's how

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your body's immune system works. That all has to do

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with the history of your body, how your immune system adapted,

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how it learned what was bad and what was not bad,

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and unfortunately everybody has different ways of doing that and

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it's a very complicated process. And somehow, if your allergy cats,

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your body has now filled with these scanners that say,

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if you see a cat allergen overreact, it's a danger.

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Speaker 2: So I wasn't exposed to cats younger, we didn't have cats.

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My first cat was Dennis, which was thirteen years ago,

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but we did have dogs. So if you're exposed to

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not that allergen, but something close, does that make a difference.

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Speaker 5: Actually, there is a you know, it's generally believed that

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if you are exposed to an allergen is a child,

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potentially you might have less allergies to that thing later

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because the way that it works is as you mature,

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randomly start assigning these scanners and believe that something's dangerous

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for you, it depends on when you're exposed to that thing.

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your body is going to say, hey, this thing is

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around all the time. You know, it's probably not that

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bad for you, and therefore let's not have as many

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scanners for this thing around. And there's other methodology, there's

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other ways that your immune system is able to prevent

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that overreaction. So it's highly dependent on when you were exposed.

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a later time point in your life to a cat,

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and at that time point in your light. Your body

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was potentially overreacting to things, and so when it saw

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that cat, it was like, oh, okay, this is the

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first time we've seen this thing. It's probably bad for you.

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Let's get some scanners in there. Let's make sure this

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Speaker 2: Wow, this is fascinating information about allergies, way more than

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I ever expected to know about. So we're going to

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take a quick break and we're going to come back

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and talk about what led to the creation of packaging

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and what's it about. So we'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. We're talking to doctor Zoo about allergies

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and he also created a product. He's you're the co creator, right, yes,

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with my wife? Pack again with your wife?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So how did you decide note she's allergic to cats? Yes, yes,

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So tell the story. How did you come to create?

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product because my wife needs to be around cats.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I always say I'm a converted cat person because

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I think prior to twenty twenty, I never thought I

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was gonna get a I've always liked dogs more and which,

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you know, I don't know if I should be staying

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in this podcast.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, me too. I mean I'm from you know,

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maybe like two thousand and when did we get Dennis?

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probably the last fifteen years before that, I was dog

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in k.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I love cats now. So so you know,

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it was twenty twenty COVID hit. We were working from home,

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we should get a pet, because you know, I'd love

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to have someone to take care of you. Know when,

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especially because we're home so often, and you know, at

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the time, they basically said, if you exit your house,

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you will be killing people. So I felt like walking

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dogs were probably was probably not what I wanted to do,

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and so I just searched, like, you know, kittens available

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for adoption near me, and we found yamyao. It was

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our cat, and we brought them home. Who brought her home?

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she was having a asthma attack. She was really not

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reacting well, we had no idea she was allergic for

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we got Mayamiya. There was no way for us to know.

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it like like mild asthma.

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Speaker 5: She didn't have any of that. She uh run, yeah nothing.

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one because I'm allergic to seafood, and so we were

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really shocked that she was allergic. Wow. Yeah, life works

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in a mysterious ways.

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Speaker 2: It sure does, it shured does. Okay, So then then

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what happened? So you adopted a pretty short hair.

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fell in love. She's She's perfect and we we found

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out my wife had allergies. You know, it got to

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the point where my wife couldn't work out in the

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house because the instance she worked out, she would have

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an asthma attack. It was very, very intense. We tried everything,

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so we we were washing the sheets every day, we

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for her, and it just wasn't helping that much. She

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ended up just taking allergy pills, right, So she was

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taking clareiton every day, and I was looking into it,

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and my wife's got a phg malec topology, she was

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looking into it too, and we were like, this is

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such an odd problem that people really haven't come up

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with a solution from. It is this protein and proteins

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cause almost all of the issues in your body. So

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you know, when we're treating cancer, we're basically treating one protein.

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so there's this external protein. It is messing with your

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immune system and that's all it does. But this protein

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isn't that important for cats to be happy, Like, you know,

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you don't actually need it to be active in the

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cat's body. And also it doesn't do anything to you,

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like it actually has no reaction to your body. So

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we saw this and we were like, well, we know

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a lot of different ways to neutralize proteins to really

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try to make sure that they are not active in

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your body. One of the ways is we create a binder,

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meaning if you have a protein of interest and it's

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causing issues, we can have something that binds to it

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and it basically it's like duct tape. Duct tapes his

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mouth shut and says, shut up, you're causing issues in

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the body. Let's make sure you can go through the

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body and not cause any harm. So we found a

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lab that worked with outpacked us to try to discover

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these things. And I can go to more details. Are

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interested in how our pacists are involved. But we leverage

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out pactas to help us discover something new. Noa packas

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are really hurt, and we then manufacture it, create a

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product out of it, and create a spray so that

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you can spray the area in which you have a

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bunch of cat allergens. The spray duct tapes all the

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mouths and all of these allergens, and it makes it

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so that your body doesn't recognize it, so you don't

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have the reaction. And so that was the creation of it.

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We found some friends and we were able to get

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a little bit of funding. It costs a bunch of

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money for us to do and we got the product

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out and now a bunch of people can live with

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cats more easily.

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Speaker 2: I think that's incredible. So let's talk about how it

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works and for what extreme Because they there's people that

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are going to say, you know what, I'm allergic cats.

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I've been allergic forever. Nothing's going to change. So, yeah,

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we have those naysayers. Then you have some that are

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going to say, you know what, I want to give

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this a shot because I like you. They've always wanted

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a cat and they're more open minded. So how do

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you go about convincing someone. Sometimes it's someone in your

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home or friend. You know, you got to try this,

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or I'm going to try this and it works and

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you're not going to have a problem.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So there are a couple of reasons why we

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created this specific product. The first is everything else on

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the market. We saw there are many ways to destroy proteins,

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and unfortunately, cat allergens are a very stable protein like

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we were talking about, and so some of the other

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things people are selling. People are selling like bleach to

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bleach to basically spray bleach in their house so that

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it kills the protein. But yeah, yeah, that's one solution

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for cat allergens is I guess you can dispray bleach.

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Here's the problem with all those things is it's not

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specific to the cat allergen. And so if you are

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spraying something that kills proteins, you are made out of proteins.

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Everything that makes us work as humans, those are proteins,

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and so that's not going to be safe for you. Right,

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you can obviously imagine it probably shouldn't be spraying everything

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is concluding you, like your cat, with something that just

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degrades proteins. And so the thing that I love about

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our solution, or the reason we created it is we

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use it every day, is it's very specific. The duct

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tape only duct tapes the cat allergen. It does not

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work with anything else. So people are always like, hey,

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will this work for dog allergens? It will not work

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because the dog has a different allergen. And that's actually

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what makes it great. It does not work for any

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other protein and human body. It doesn't work for anything

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else in any living organism, so it's completely safe for

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somebody to use. So my wife and I just had

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a three month old newborn, and we use it around

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newborn because we know that the way that we developed it,

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it only binds that one thing, and it's very very

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good at duck taping that one thing to make it

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not work anymore.

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Speaker 2: Well, congratulations, you're a new parents.

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Speaker 5: So it's been rough, but uh.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So now let's go to the cat. As

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we know, not true for mine, but most cats are finicky,

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so you have the cat topper and a spray the topper.

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Cats are finicky. Are they gonna like this? Are they

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going to still eat? And how does it work? So?

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Do you just sprinkle a little I love the packaging

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by the way. You just sprinkle a little bit on

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their food and that's it. Once a day, twice a day.

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once every day during the meal. Just put a little

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bit on top while they're eating it. It will neutralize

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theologians in their mouths and therefore they't you know, and

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it also they'll spread it to the other places of

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their body right after they eat, and you'll you'll see

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very nice results for free allergies.

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Speaker 2: And what about flavors. There's chicken flavor. What other kind

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of flavors do you have? Or just this one for now?

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Speaker 5: There's chicken for now. We are working very hard on

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a fish flavor. We're trying to be very safe, and

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it just turns out that the supply chain, so trying

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to get fish and then trying to get fish powder

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is much more difficult than chicken. Chicken is much more commonplace,

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and so it's taken us a little longer for that.

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We should have that available in a couple of months.

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Speaker 2: And how does the spray work.

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Speaker 5: The spray it comes with a little powder packet. That

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powder packet has the secret ingredient has the whisker block,

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which is the special duct tape protein that will lock

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the active part of the allergen. And so you pour

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that into the spray bottle. You add our stabilizing solution,

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which is something that helps our duct tape lasts longer,

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and then you just spray the areas in which you want.

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Alligis virtualized. So, for example, my wife has a lot

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of issues because Meamil is a very naughty cat. She

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loves being on our bed. But if you're allergic to cats,

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having you know, all over fern dander in the area

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where you sleep not that great. So I actually use

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the spray mostly on our bed, so I, you know,

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of course, you use a roller roll up the fur,

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but then I'll spray it and spray the bed so

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that when my wife goes to sleep she doesn't have

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this reaction. But for example, if you have guests visiting

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the house and they're going to sit on your couch,

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you can spray a couch. You can unfortunately you can't

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a spray a cat. That would be a very great

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way of making things work. Another way you can do

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it is if you you know, if you've seen people

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put on perfume or cologne, you can spray it into

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the air and you can breathe it in and that

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will help line your lungs in different you know, the

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different airways so that if it if it ever comes

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in contact with the allergen, it will neutralize that a response.

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Speaker 2: So you can ingest it. Have you thought about making

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I don't know a dosage for humans.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we were working on it. We we want to

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be very careful with regulations, with testing all those things.

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We've done all the safeties. Doesn't know that it's safe

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for humans, but we want to do probably another clinical

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trial just to make extra certain, and then we need

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to make sure we work with the right regulatory bodies

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to make sure that it can be a good product.

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But we're working on it right now.

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Speaker 2: This has been such a fascinating show. What about other allergens? So,

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I know we're you know catitude. You have cats, so

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for some people, cats of course have the feline as

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you said, it's the feline feld one, and so that's

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much stronger than say, you know, if someone's allergic to dogs.

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I don't know if people are allergic to other things

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like bunnies or iguanas. I know cats and dogs are

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most common, but do you think you'd come out with

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a dog version.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So dogs have two different major allergens. There's actually

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two of them. They're called canine F one and canon

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F two. So can F one can F two makes

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it easier. Okay, yeah, they make it easy. I guess

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they're two different proteins and two different allergen. They are

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in the dogs saliva, and so there's there's less people

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allergic dogs. But you know, obviously you don't want to

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be allergic to dogs. We are going to be releasing

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a spray for dog allergens as well. We did the

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entire research process over again because it's a completely different allergen,

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and we're really you know, we're hoping that we can

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help people dog allergies as well. And then we're also

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working on dust allergies.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's much more gnarly than you could imagine. We're

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excited about it. Do you want to hear about the

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nastiness of dust allergens.

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Speaker 2: I did that allergy test, the one where they put

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the dots on your arm, and that lit up dots everywhere.

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I didn't think I had any allergies, and I lit up.

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And I'm allergic to grass dust, you know, dog fer

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I take them and you know, an allergy peal, but

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I just deal with it. You know, we're right. With

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the cats, it's a lot worse because I also have myodasma,

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so I find myself wheezing around them every so often.

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where they are. So there's tell us about dust is

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whether you have a dog or cat, or fish or bird,

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you have probably a dust in your house.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I apologize to everybody listening for ruining your lives.

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But you know the truth about dust is you're actually

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not allergic to dust. Dust, you're allergic to dust mites.

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And you're actually not allergic to the dust mites. You're

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allergic to two allergens in their poop. So if you're

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having dust allergic reactions, it's because you're reacting to their poop.

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It is uh and it just so happens that it's

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also a very dangerous reaction because remember what I said

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about other allergens. Other allergens are not actually harmful to you.

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They're not doing anything to you. You're just having an

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overreaction one of the dust mite allergens. So the thing

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in one of the dust mites poop is called d

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R so dust might's their name. Put starts with er,

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so it's DRP. One that is something that cuts things,

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So it's called the protease. It cuts other proteins, and

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the reason it's causing a reaction is because it's cutting

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up all of the linings in your lungs, all the

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linings to all of your airways, and it's a lot

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allowing other allergens to get into your system, and so

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it's actually super dangerous. If you are exposed to dust

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as a baby, you have five times higher likelihood to

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get asthma. So it's an extremely terrible allergen to be around.

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And we did entirely a different process to try to

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find something that neutralizes the allergen activity this time. So

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the actual ability of the dust might allergen to cut

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through things. And the thing that we found, which is

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going to be in the dust spray that we're going

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to release in February, it neutralizes the activity of that

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cutting by seventy six percent. So we're really hoping to

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help other people. Even if you are allergic to dust,

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by the way, it's still cutting things up. It cuts

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things up in everybody. It's just that for forty percent

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of people, you just happen to be overreactive to whatever

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it lets through.

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Speaker 2: So even if you and this is not sorry, not

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true me, I'll confess, even if you're spotless in your house,

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there's still dust existing.

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Speaker 5: So the study about the asthma, excessive amount of dust.

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So my guess is if you if you have a

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spotless house, you're not going to have enough of the

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allergen in order to set off the issue. But yeah,

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dust smite allergens also last a long time. The reason

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they're good allergens is because they're extremely stable and so

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they will cause issues. That's why people that's why people

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recommend air purifiers, air filters. They actually are very good.

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I actually recommend most people get them because you really

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don't want dust lying around. It's really bad for you.

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Speaker 2: That's good to know. And yes, I do have an

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air purifier. Time to get a new filter for that.

524
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So tell us where this has been fascinating, Thank you

525
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so much. Doctors out. Where can we find packagen right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Package in like generated generated right?

527
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Speaker 2: Where can we find packaging?

528
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Speaker 5: Sure? So we're available at some novelty pet shops, but

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you can find us as well on our website packaging

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dot com, E A C, A G N dot com

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and uh, you know, all of the products will be available.

532
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You can reach out to us on support. We're really

533
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excited to talk to people and just to help people.

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Speaker 2: This has been fascinating and you're a scientists, so did

535
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delve into there, but you made it very relatable to

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those that are not of us, that are not scientists.

537
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So thank you so much for all of these first

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being uncatituded and sharing this knowledge. I hope you all

539
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enjoyed the show. This has been fascinating for all of

540
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you cat lovers out there. You're going to want to

541
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check this out. We don't talk about products much on Catitude,

542
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but packaging it is simply incredible. I'm excited about it

543
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:39,599
having catalogies and having people that have catalogies can now

544
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come over, so check it out. I want to thank

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my guest today, doctor Evan Zau, Thank you so much

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for coming Oncatitude. I want to thank everyone that's listening.

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Thank you so much for being a loyal listener to Catitude.

548
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I appreciate it so much. I want to give thanks

549
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to my cat crew that you know allergy or not.

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Thank keep me on my toes and I love them,

551
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,000
so thank you, Dennis, Charlotte Mollie, and thanks to my

552
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amazing producer that works his magic and makes this show

553
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,359
sound amazing. So thank you, Mark Winter and you know

554
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follog you or not give your feline a hug? Why not?

555
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And hey, lose to attitude, have caatitude.

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