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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue now. About two or three weeks ago, the

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<v Speaker 1>governor vetoed some of the measures of public education here

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<v Speaker 1>in the state of Ohio, and I think one of

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<v Speaker 1>the vetos was over turned. The others not a man

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<v Speaker 1>with his finger on the pulls of what's happening in

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<v Speaker 1>New Richmond, the home of the Lions, and also Columbus

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<v Speaker 1>is state Representative Adam Bird. And Adam Bird welcome again

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bill Cunningham Show. As we sit here at

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<v Speaker 1>two twelve pm Eastern time. What happened this morning? If anything?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Bill. I am still in Columbus. We met

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<v Speaker 2>at eleven am a special session called by the Speaker

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<v Speaker 2>to consider a couple of property tax issues. You described

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<v Speaker 2>them just a second ago at school funding issues. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're more properly described as property taxes. And as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Bill, the property tax payer all over Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>is crying out for help. And that's what this was

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<v Speaker 2>about today, was to bring some property tax really to

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<v Speaker 2>to uh to own homeowners.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happened, goes media reporting, is that one of

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<v Speaker 1>the three was overturned, the emergency levees. The other two

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<v Speaker 1>not what was overturned.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, So the one. The one that was

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<v Speaker 2>overturned was the part about no new replacement property taxes,

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<v Speaker 2>no new emergency levees, no new substitute levees. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to put an expense levee on the ballot,

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<v Speaker 2>you cannot have carryover balance and access of one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent of your expenses. So this is uh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, an effort. There's so many different property

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<v Speaker 2>tax levies asks that are out there that that schools

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<v Speaker 2>and townships and villages and so forth can ask for,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're limiting the number of types of property taxes

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<v Speaker 2>that you can ask for in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>So if someone claims we have an emergency levee, the

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<v Speaker 1>the eers emergency levees are out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, emergency cannot use an emergency anymore. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>use a substitute levee anymore, you can't use a replacement levy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I would preface also that will it by reminding

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<v Speaker 2>you that that has to go through both chambers, and

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<v Speaker 2>since the budget built always originates in the House, the

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<v Speaker 2>House has to go first. We've overturned that today and

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<v Speaker 2>so now the Senate will get together in the next

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks and consider the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I would thank you and the House are not going

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<v Speaker 1>to involve yourself in some purative act. You would have

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<v Speaker 1>to have an understanding that the Senate's going to follow

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<v Speaker 1>the lead of the House. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so yeah. And you know, everybody knows who

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<v Speaker 2>their state senators are in southwestern Ohio, and I do

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<v Speaker 2>believe they'll be considering it. I think they'll will side

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<v Speaker 2>on the They will come down on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>property tax payers and will decide to override the governor's veto.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, people are crying out on this issue.

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<v Speaker 2>There's more left to do. Really, there is way more

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<v Speaker 2>to do on property taxes, and we got to get

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<v Speaker 2>to that and have some substantial conversations about property taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>But for today, we have taken the first small bite

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<v Speaker 2>of the apple.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the other thing is the Columbus dispatches reporting that

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<v Speaker 1>the House that means you punted overriding vetos and two

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<v Speaker 1>other proposals that would allow county budget commissions to lower

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<v Speaker 1>voter approve levies and secondly, change the formula known as

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty mil floor, which guarantees a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 1>moneys for districts. Did you punt on those other two issues.

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<v Speaker 2>We did, Willie, and so they're still on the table.

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<v Speaker 2>We're still going to consider them in the future. But

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<v Speaker 2>and you accurately described both of those vetos. One would

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<v Speaker 2>give the County Budget Commission the authority to reduce unnecessary

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<v Speaker 2>excessive property tax collection, and then the other one was

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<v Speaker 2>changing the twenty mili floor calculation. We're still going to

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<v Speaker 2>consider that. But we wanted to get moving on this,

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<v Speaker 2>and we could only get sixty two House Republicans in

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<v Speaker 2>Columbus today. Three of them were unable to be there,

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<v Speaker 2>and and then we had a couple of no votes.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have to be careful about making sure that

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<v Speaker 2>we can get sixty votes in the seats ready to vote.

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<v Speaker 2>And it takes a three fifths vote to overcome a

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<v Speaker 2>governor veto, and that means we've got to have sixty

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<v Speaker 2>out of ninety nine House members.

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<v Speaker 1>I would assume therefore the other two did not come

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<v Speaker 1>up because of the Speaker, Matt Hoffman, who may come

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<v Speaker 1>on with me tomorrow, didn't have the votes. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>fair to say?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's fair to say. Or we want to

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<v Speaker 2>have abundance of caution. We'll make sure that we've got

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<v Speaker 2>them later on when we can get a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>more House Republicans in Columbus, and we just an abundance

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<v Speaker 2>of caution. We knew we could get the one. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back and get the other ones later perhaps. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, right, like I said, there's that threshold of

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<v Speaker 2>sixty out of ninety nine that have to vote for this,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were several three Republicans that couldn't make it

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<v Speaker 2>to Columbus today, and we'll get the other ones hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>picked up later on. I wouldn't say that they're they're

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<v Speaker 2>off the table, but punting them and dealing with them later.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, Willie, remember the governor had sixty

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<v Speaker 2>seven line item vetos. We only doubt we're only talking

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<v Speaker 2>about three of them today. There's a lot more of

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<v Speaker 2>them that House Republicans would like to override his veto on.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've got a lot of work to cope, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Constitution allows us to do that for the next

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<v Speaker 2>year and a half. Anytime during the General Assembly, we

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<v Speaker 2>can override the governor's veto.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you pick this one in leadership because you knew

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<v Speaker 1>you had the votes and this does not. But on

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<v Speaker 1>the other hand, Adam Bird of New Richmond. This doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>reduce property taxes presently, but it may reduce it in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. But by overriding this particular veto, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>change present property taxes at all. Is that is that accurate?

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<v Speaker 2>You got it though. It's not a big step, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is a first step, and it's a first small

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<v Speaker 2>bite at the apple, and there's more less to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It does not reduce your property taxes yet, but it

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<v Speaker 2>will change and perhaps keep them from increasing in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean that a political subdivision like a village, township, school, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>they can't ask for new moneys in the future, but

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<v Speaker 2>we're limiting the types of levees that they can ask

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<v Speaker 2>for and makes we want to be transparent. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>this is about. Transparency with voters. And you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>can come pick up these other line night and veto's

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<v Speaker 2>later in the General Assembly and maybe as early as

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<v Speaker 2>this coming fall.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not do them all together in September? You're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to meete again, I guess until after Labor Day.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to wait and do all three together.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the plan on that really is because

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<v Speaker 2>a bill does not become long until ninety days after

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<v Speaker 2>it has the required signatures on it. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if we get this done, we've got it done today.

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<v Speaker 2>If the Senate comes back and gets this done at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of July or beginning of August, that the

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<v Speaker 2>ninety day window would start August, September, October, and then

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<v Speaker 2>that give you November and December to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>it was in place for the January twenty six fiscal year.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why we come back and do those now,

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<v Speaker 2>and hopefully we'll get some more property tax issues in

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<v Speaker 2>the future. It's pretty important. And you know there's another

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<v Speaker 2>there's several house builds that we're considering that would really

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<v Speaker 2>limit property tax growth. One of them is House Bill

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<v Speaker 2>one eighty six, which would limit property tax increases to

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<v Speaker 2>the rate of inflation. And I think property tax payers

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<v Speaker 2>would greatly appreciate that, especially light Willie. You and I

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<v Speaker 2>talked before about the abolition of property tax movement that's

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<v Speaker 2>coming in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>If that happens, all hell breaks loose. So the goal,

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<v Speaker 1>I think of Matt Hoffman and others the Governor included

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<v Speaker 1>is to try to slow down the momentum for the

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred thousand signatures because if that thing gets on

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<v Speaker 1>the ballot, I guess it won't be on this November,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in May or November of next year, all hell's

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<v Speaker 1>going to break loose because the voters of Ohio will

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<v Speaker 1>vote to eliminate the property tax in which you got

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<v Speaker 1>a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you're reading of the situation is that

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<v Speaker 2>on Willy it didn't get the requisite signatures, didn't make

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<v Speaker 2>it for the November twenty five ballot, But they've got

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<v Speaker 2>another three hundred and sixty five days to collect signatures.

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<v Speaker 2>There may be a wealthy benefactor at some point that

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<v Speaker 2>chips in and tries to help with the signature collection

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<v Speaker 2>to try to get it on the ballot in November

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six. And my reading of that really is is

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<v Speaker 2>similar to yours that if that gets on the ballot,

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<v Speaker 2>that there will be a lot of taxpayers that say, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to eliminate my property taxes. And when that happened,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to have to find a way to transition

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<v Speaker 2>some of these services to another form of tax if.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that the state of Ohio would pick

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<v Speaker 2>up that bill, but we would allow local entities to

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<v Speaker 2>increase their income tax or increase their sales tax to

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<v Speaker 2>cover that difference.

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<v Speaker 1>And that would be difficult. I've spoken to some township

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<v Speaker 1>officials who currently don't have the power to enact an

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<v Speaker 1>income tax. One of the glories of living in a township,

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<v Speaker 1>as you may know, is there's no township income tax.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons I moved to a township is

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<v Speaker 1>because I wouldn't have to pay two percent income tax.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea of residents in a township voting for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time ever in Ohio to have an income tax

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<v Speaker 1>would be an into fadda. That would be a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you know, okay, so yeah, people don't like income taxes,

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<v Speaker 2>but they don't like property taxes either, Bill, and so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's got to be a transition because there

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<v Speaker 2>are some necessary services that your county provides, that your

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<v Speaker 2>township provides, what's your village is to provide, and inner cities,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it would if left up to the local entity,

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<v Speaker 2>the local voter can decide if they want those services

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<v Speaker 2>or to what extent they want those services. How much

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<v Speaker 2>are they willing to provide because most people, especially I

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<v Speaker 2>would say in a place by Campbelton County, they're paying

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe close to ten thousand dollars a

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<v Speaker 2>year on their proper be taxes more and more, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more more, Yeah, So you know it's it's transitioning, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's what's required, if that's what the voters demand

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<v Speaker 2>come November twenty six, then we've got to find a

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<v Speaker 2>way to transition from a property tax to something else. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The fairest tax is a sales tax. It's paid for

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<v Speaker 1>by Kentuckians and Hoosiers as well as Buckeyes. We get

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<v Speaker 1>the benefit of them using Hamilton Counties roads and bridges.

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<v Speaker 1>They pay the sales tax plus. As an American, you

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<v Speaker 1>decide whether to pay it or not. I decide it

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<v Speaker 1>may be a difficulty to buy a car that you

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<v Speaker 1>can get one in Covington as well as in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course you have to register it here. Maybe people

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<v Speaker 1>become more residents of other states. But I would decide

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<v Speaker 1>whether to pay a sales tax based upon my volition

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<v Speaker 1>to buy an item. When it comes to income taxes

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<v Speaker 1>or real estate taxes, I really don't have control over

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<v Speaker 1>that because I have to live somewhere. And as far

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<v Speaker 1>as income taxes, very fortunate to have a nice income,

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<v Speaker 1>but I pay tax on that I don't mind paying taxes,

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<v Speaker 1>which are rents paid to live in the greatest country

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. That's fine with me. In fact, when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to the property tax, I'm very likely to

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<v Speaker 1>vote no. I do not want to get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>the property tax because it is a tax. What we

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<v Speaker 1>need is reform of the property tax, not the elimination

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<v Speaker 1>because it would mean the only way to get money

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<v Speaker 1>then would be income taxes or grossly increased sales taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>Either you or maybe Matt Huffman told me that if

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<v Speaker 1>you had to have a sales tax to take the

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<v Speaker 1>place of the property tax, it'd be twenty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know if it's going to be that

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<v Speaker 2>much or not. I would depend upon that local government

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<v Speaker 2>how much they're spending, and it would depend on how

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<v Speaker 2>much the local board, whether it's commissioner, city council, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>would decide to put on the ballot. But yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the sales tax is another stool legg in the stool,

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<v Speaker 2>and other other states are doing a lot more sales

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<v Speaker 2>tax than Ohio is, and so it would be up

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<v Speaker 2>to the taxpayer to decide if they want to abolish

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<v Speaker 2>property taxes. In November twenty six and it makes it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then how to replace that would be up to

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<v Speaker 2>the local governing.

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<v Speaker 1>But it'd be difficult to pass in a township income taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be impossible. That would be a fool's errand

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<v Speaker 1>and so I would hope that the property taxes actually

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<v Speaker 1>on the ballot, numerous organizations would come together and say,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the impact of your vote. All of us

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<v Speaker 1>want to pay as low taxes as possible, but damn it,

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<v Speaker 1>we need schools, we need police, we need fire, we

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<v Speaker 1>need road repair, we need the basics of government. In Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>it's handled at a low cost compared to other states.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just hope that the voters understand if you

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate property taxes, the schools need a new funding mechanism.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't imagine the city of Maderra, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is a one or one and a

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<v Speaker 1>half percent income to go to a four percent income tax,

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<v Speaker 1>or to go to a county wide twenty percent eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>percent sales tax would be confiscatory. But I will see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens down the road. You're predicting you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>vote again and on these other two proposals to limit it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then We'll see what happens, you know, Adam Bird

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<v Speaker 1>of New Richmond. I always say we get the government

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<v Speaker 1>we deserve, and at times that concerns me greatly. But

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Bird, good luck to you. We'll see what happens

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<v Speaker 1>down the road. Thanks for reporting this to the American people.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Bill, it's an honor to be with you again

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<v Speaker 2>and again. We're what we did today trying to protect

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<v Speaker 2>the rights and the values of property tax payers who

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<v Speaker 2>we are hearing from in great numbers. And yes, you

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<v Speaker 2>make some great points. So we've got to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that we're funding government of all kinds. We want to

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<v Speaker 2>have the services that we have and finding the fairst

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<v Speaker 2>way to pay for those with all of the different

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<v Speaker 2>people that would be benefited by That's that's where we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to go. We've got a lot of work to

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<v Speaker 2>do on This is State Rep.

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<v Speaker 1>Auten Bird, thanks for coming on this afternoon, and God

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<v Speaker 1>bless you and God bless America.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you, Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>God let's continue with more. There you gave it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's one thing to live in the city of Madeira

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<v Speaker 1>and to pay large, high property taxes for schools that

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<v Speaker 1>are functional, sometimes in the top five in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Ohio. Madeira schools. All right, You pay a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money and you get a lot of result. To

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<v Speaker 1>live in the city of Cincinnati and pay higher real

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<v Speaker 1>estate taxes than in the city of Madeira and not

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<v Speaker 1>be able to send your kids to the schools that

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<v Speaker 1>you pay for because they're so bad. That's another issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue with more. We never stop. We simply continue.

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<v Speaker 1>The river keeps on rolling on news radio seven hundred

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