WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:10.000 This is the story of Christine Jessup and the man 2 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:13.320 who was wrongfully accused of her murder. But this is 3 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:15.960 part two. Be sure to check out Part one that's 4 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:19.239 already released before you listen to this episode. But if 5 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:21.719 you're ready for part two, let's dive into it. 6 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:25.640 My name's Ben, I'm Nicole and you're listening to Wicked 7 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:30.359 Ingram true crime podcast. The following. 8 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:37.560 Material intend for a matial audience listener discretion. 9 00:00:57.960 --> 00:00:58.719 You're ready for this? 10 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:00.960 What am I ready for this? 11 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:05.760 It was like a solid b effort. 12 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:09.480 There no I'd give that a soliday really okay holiday. 13 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:14.959 It was suspenseful but not anti climactic, you know it was. 14 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:18.640 It wasn't bad. We're sharing a drink sharing a drink today. 15 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:20.319 Sharen, I might have actually taken more than half. 16 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:24.319 That's fine, it's fine. I think we kind of need 17 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:26.560 to share a drink today. Will not necessarily share drink. 18 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:29.599 It's right for the beverage that we have a beverage 19 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:33.120 today because this case is man oh man. We are 20 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:34.799 in for a good roller coaster and a wrap up 21 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:37.519 on part two of this. And not to mention that 22 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:42.280 right now it is Friday the thirteenth, Holy shit. It 23 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:46.519 is Happy December Friday, the thirteenth, leading up to Christmas, 24 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:50.200 so cheers. Hopefully you guys have some good luck here 25 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:53.280 on the Friday the thirteenth. Thirteenth my actual my lucky number, 26 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:54.239 so I. 27 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.000 Don't flew into that. Well. Actually, when I played sports 28 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:59.400 in high school often I was thirteen. Like I was like, 29 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:01.959 there's nothing with this number, no no one ever wanted it, 30 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:02.840 and I was like, I'll take it. 31 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:05.400 Yeah. That was the same as me. I had number 32 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.520 thirteen as playing soccer once and it was like my 33 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:10.599 best year on soccer ever. So I was like, okay, 34 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:11.680 thirteen is my lucky. 35 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:15.000 Number then, yeah, yeah, nothing against the number, that's for sure. 36 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:18.199 I've never had thirteen be unlucky for me, So Happy 37 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:22.039 the Friday thirteenth. Hopefully it's not unlucky for you out 38 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:27.159 there as well. But I do have to say my apologies. 39 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:29.599 I got in a lot of trouble. Oh yeah, for 40 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:33.080 not announcing that this trouble this case was a two parter. 41 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:36.919 In my defense, I kind of did tell you, well, 42 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:39.360 I didn't tell you. We did talk about it being 43 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:41.400 a part one and part two in our pre show 44 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:43.080 over on Patreon. 45 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:45.759 And then got confused that we hadn't announced it in 46 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:47.520 the legit like the actual show. 47 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:50.199 Yeah, so in my brain I had already announced it, 48 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.520 but no, we didn't announce it. We only announced it 49 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:56.199 on Patreon. So that's my apologies. But yeah, this is 50 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:59.319 now part two of this case, and going forward, I 51 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:01.840 will be in I will do my best to ensure 52 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:03.759 I continue with letting you know when it's part one 53 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:03.919 and not. 54 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.080 Well, I think you forgot to put in the title too. 55 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:06.639 So I did. 56 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:09.039 It was just we have a lot going on, and 57 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:11.759 it was it was it was just forgetting like it 58 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:13.240 wasn't It was just slipping else. 59 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.400 Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with the good, suspenseful episode 60 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:17.840 now and then hopefully you guys got to the end 61 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:19.919 of that episode and you're like no, and now you're 62 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:21.680 just amped for this part too. 63 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:24.360 I like, how was your few days? Were you feeling 64 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:25.759 that a lot of people cursing you? 65 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:27.759 There was a few. There was a few, for sure. 66 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:31.879 We had some messages and some comments and stuff. But 67 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.400 I think it's going to be worthwhile. I mean, hey, 68 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:36.960 it is Friday, it's the end of the week, and 69 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:39.960 now you're listening to the rest of the story. 70 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:44.280 Right, good old Friday the thirteenth. Yeah, that makes me happier. 71 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:46.000 I didn't even put that together. I love that. 72 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:48.800 Well, here we are, but let's get into this. So 73 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:52.680 if you remember part one at all, in that last episode, 74 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:57.240 we discussed the death of nine year old Christine Jess So. 75 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:01.520 She initially went missing on October first in nineteen eighty four. 76 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:05.120 Her family searched for her, but unfortunately to no avail. 77 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:08.840 That is until someone stumbled upon her remains on December 78 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:11.439 thirty first in nineteen eighty four as well. So that 79 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:14.560 was approximately ninety days later, I believe. Right now, the 80 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:18.800 investigation to find her murderer ensued. Police quickly honed in 81 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:21.560 on a neighbor by the name of Guy Paul Morin 82 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:24.360 so Ghee. I kept calling him Guy left's last episode. 83 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:26.199 I'm probably going to say it again this time it's 84 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:29.319 spelt Guy like guy, so it makes sense. Yep. So 85 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:31.240 my brain keeps wanting to do that. But his name 86 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.000 is Gee, and the only problem is there was no 87 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.439 evidence linking Gee to the scene, and he had a 88 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:40.439 solid alibi. It just seemed like the police were trying 89 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.399 to fit him to the murder rather than follow the evidence. 90 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:48.839 Sort of situation. So regardless, on July thirtieth, nineteen ninety two, 91 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:52.199 Ghee was arrested and went to trial. Now, the second 92 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.839 trial actually ran for nine months at the time, and 93 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:59.120 it was the longest trial murder trial in Canadian history 94 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:01.399 at that time, so I mean, I'm pretty sure it's 95 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:06.560 been superseded since, but the time, yeah, longest in Canadian history. Eventually, 96 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:09.720 he was convicted of the murder and he was locked 97 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:20.600 up in Kingston Penitentiary, penitentiary, penitentiary jail, in Kingston jail, Okay. Now, 98 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:24.439 behind bars, Gee was determined to prove his innocence not 99 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:27.279 only to the legal system but the public as well, 100 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:30.240 and he promised that he was going to be appealing 101 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.360 his sentence and conviction because. 102 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:35.040 Then even at when he was in jail, they were 103 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.879 setting him up too right to like admit it. Or 104 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.639 maybe that was the first time around, but they planted 105 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:43.519 someone in there to try to get him to confess. 106 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:45.279 So that was the first time around there. They planted 107 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:47.000 someone in there to try and get evidence out, and 108 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:48.439 the guy was twisting his words. 109 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:51.759 Yes, yeah, it was wild, oh okay. 110 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:54.759 Yeah, Now he's in there, and even the people in 111 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:56.639 the jail like they had that big, tough guy in 112 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:58.759 jail who's like, I followed your case. Yeah, I believe 113 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.519 you're innocent. No one harmed this guy, yeah, because you know, 114 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.560 he allegedly hurt a child, and people who hurt children 115 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:07.399 in jail don't generally do well. But he had the 116 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:10.120 back of someone who was big and bad in jail 117 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.639 believed he was innocent. So yeah, now that his way 118 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:14.800 to prove his innocence. 119 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.560 His only first string of lacke I guess. 120 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:20.240 No kidding. So in nineteen ninety three, Gee was well, 121 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:23.959 with the help of some new lawyers, was filing his appeal. 122 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.639 He was granted bail on February ninth, nineteen ninety three, 123 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.399 but by then he had spent years battling the justice 124 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.480 system already that seemed, of course, determined to label him 125 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:36.800 guilty despite the mounting questions about the case. So Gee, 126 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:39.199 on the other hand, was now on bail and readying 127 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:42.000 himself for the battle that would soon come in court 128 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.879 once again, and in nineteen ninety five, the new trial 129 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.439 was to begin. Now the ordeal cost a lot to 130 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.879 do this and to fund it all. Ghee's parents, believe, 131 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:55.600 who believed that their son was innocent helped pay half 132 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:59.480 a million dollars towards this trial, forcing them to remortgage 133 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:01.120 their home to fund this whole defense. 134 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.839 Wow, okay, those are some good parents, so hey. 135 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:08.399 Yes, no kidding. This time though, the court would not 136 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:11.800 rely on botched detective work. They were not going to 137 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:15.439 go along with claims that went alongside circumstantial evidence that 138 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:19.839 were like forced puzzle pieces jammed together. They weren't gone 139 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:24.319 with any of that this time. It was evidence. This 140 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:29.839 time there was something more coming to the trial. See, 141 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.160 there was a revolutionary new tool that came into play, 142 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:39.600 DNA testing. The idea of DNA testing the semen found 143 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:44.319 on Christine's underwear was proposed, but it caused some mixed reactions. 144 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:48.279 See Ghee's lawyers were hesitant at first. DNA testing was 145 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:51.040 still in its infancy stages at the time, and it 146 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:53.279 had only been used in the justice system for just 147 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.040 less than ten years, so not even a decade hasn't 148 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:59.720 been in play. And not to mention, what was there 149 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.639 actually guilty? What would this DNA prove if it did 150 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.199 go for testing, So they were a little bit hesitant. 151 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.319 Their job is to just defend, defend, defend, no matter 152 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:12.160 what right, So they were worried, like, what happens if 153 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:14.680 this actually does go through and it is your DNA? 154 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:16.759 Then were fucked right well, and. 155 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:18.120 It didn't go well at all when they did the 156 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.480 hair samples right now. 157 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:25.120 However, Ghee was not concerned one bit with this testing 158 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:30.399 being done. In fact, he actually began saying, no, test it. Yeah, 159 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:32.879 He's like, we need to test this one hundred percent 160 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:36.120 do it. He knew that it would prove his innocence 161 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:39.759 instead of proving him guilty. So he's determined to prove 162 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:42.159 his innocence once and for all, So let's do it. 163 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:45.120 So in January of nineteen ninety five, the DNA testing 164 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:50.399 came through and the new test conclusively told that Gee's 165 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:54.000 DNA was not a match found on the sample of 166 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:58.919 Christine's clothing. Okay, yes, I keep saying, guy, aren't I 167 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.440 It's okay. If I'm doing it, just ignore me. 168 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:06.519 It's a Gee guy, Like, it's like potato potato or 169 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:10.879 potato potato. You know what we mean here? Yeah, it's 170 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:11.799 the same thing kind of thing. 171 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.200 No, it's Ghee. I'm sorry, I keep messing it up. 172 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:16.000 I'm probably going to keep messing it up, but I'm 173 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:19.399 going to do my best, GhIE. So yes, the test 174 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:22.840 excluded Ghee as the murderer, and on January twenty third, 175 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:27.440 nineteen ninety five, the appeal trial concluded swiftly with a 176 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:32.120 judge delivering a verdict of acquittal on all charges. 177 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:32.759 Wow. 178 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:37.360 Yeah, the DNA evidence, which all parties agreed was accurate. 179 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:39.840 By the way, So it's not just like the defense 180 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.559 and the whole courtroom whatever. It is basically just like, yeah, no, 181 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:45.519 this is this is concrete. He didn't do it. There's 182 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:49.559 no one disagreeing. It's firm. It proved his innocence beyond 183 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:55.440 beyond doubt. Now side note, though, this whole decision inspired 184 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:59.240 what is it's a foundation for the Association in Defense 185 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:04.440 of the wrong Fleet Convicted or AIDWYC, which is an 186 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:08.960 organization organization dedicated to addressing miscarriages of justice and today 187 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:12.600 they're actually known as Innocence Canada and it continues to 188 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:15.080 actually advocate for those who have been wrongly convicted. So 189 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:19.559 there is actually an organization for those individuals now out 190 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.519 there today, which is fantastic, too okay. 191 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.480 For them to get help kind of once it is 192 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:25.879 proven that they were actually innocent. 193 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:29.679 Well I'm not too sure how much they actually work with. 194 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:33.559 Maybe there's individuals who are behind bars who believe they're 195 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:36.720 wrongfully convicted and they can seek help or advice or counseling. 196 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:41.000 I don't know. Maybe it's during trials, maybe it's during sentencing, 197 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:45.240 but it would most certainly be afterwards for sure. But anyways, 198 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:46.840 I digress. I thought it was a little piece of 199 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.480 information I wanted to include there that was kind of cool. Now, 200 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:55.600 in recognition of the immense trauma, let's say that Gee 201 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:58.679 had endured over the past nine years and nine months 202 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:02.559 that it had been since he was first actually arrested. 203 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.679 It's been that long. He lost that long of his life. 204 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:08.200 Yeah, so nearly ten years of his life since he's 205 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:14.639 been arrested, shit, convicted, re sentence. Sorry, it was he 206 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:17.440 went to trial twice because this third time when he 207 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.399 was actually appealing, the DNA came back just before the 208 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:23.679 third trial was set. Okay, so he'd actually gone through 209 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:26.080 the legal court system twice and about two on the 210 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.960 third time as well before Yeah, it all came crashing down. 211 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:30.399 So almost ten years. 212 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:34.440 So he's entitled to some money or something of sorts. 213 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:38.480 He did receive compensation one point twenty five million dollars, 214 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:40.720 so one and a quarter million dollars compensation from the 215 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:44.600 Ontario government, you know, on a partial attempt to rectify 216 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.360 the impact of the wrong conviction of him. 217 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:50.840 Right, I just have to say really quickly, like time though, 218 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.240 I feel like the majority of people, if they were 219 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:56.759 a million dollars verse ten years of their life, they 220 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:59.759 would probably choose the ten years of their life. Probably 221 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:02.840 a lot of people, the majority, I'm thinking, right. 222 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:04.960 So that well, if you talk to someone on their 223 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:07.799 deathbed or whatever, they probably trade that money for one 224 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:08.200 more day. 225 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:12.120 Yeah, So that just it doesn't seem good enough. 226 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:16.039 Yeah. Now, he also reportedly gave half a million dollars 227 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:19.399 to his parents to relieve that financial burden that they 228 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:22.320 dug themselves into to help him out as well. 229 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.080 Right, yeah, so that money is going like harly nowhere. 230 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:28.279 Then that's being paying for all the shit. 231 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:29.840 Yeah, right back to the government. 232 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:31.360 Wow. Wow. 233 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:36.320 Now he did have freedom, however, didn't come very easily, 234 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:39.960 of course, because you have whole ten years of his life, right, 235 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:42.639 But that also didn't mean that the life after those 236 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:45.600 ten years was very easy either. See the stigma of 237 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.919 the case that had lasted for nearly a decade followed him. 238 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.399 Wherever he went, he struggled to find work, and he 239 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:53.919 actually went on to eventually buy a farm, got married 240 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:57.440 and had two sons. But this past conviction never seemed 241 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:00.480 to leave him be In one instant, for example, a 242 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:06.000 kindergartener class or teacher or someone at the school in Barry, 243 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:08.279 Ontario asked his five year old son to leave the 244 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:10.759 school after discovering who their father was. 245 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:13.919 Oh so they're now taking it on his. 246 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:16.919 Children, his kindergartener, which is what a five year old? 247 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:18.879 Oh yeah, what? 248 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:23.080 Yeah, they're even feeling the repercussions of this wrong. That's fiction. 249 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:25.519 Insane though, because he got it was like proven that 250 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:28.720 he was innocent, So what the hell right? People aren't 251 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:29.480 letting him move on. 252 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:32.120 They're not well, I'm sure there's individuals out there who 253 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:34.639 still believe he actually did do it because they haven't 254 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:37.759 found the real killer yet. So meanwhile, the hunt for 255 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.960 Christine's killer did continue. In nineteen ninety eight, after three 256 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:46.080 years of investigating, the Toronto Police Superintendent Neil Tweety and 257 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:51.159 Detective Steve Rehill, they just kind of didn't know what 258 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:53.879 else to do. The case was just cold once again. 259 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:57.159 By then the police had collected over three hundred and 260 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:00.559 twenty five DNA samples from individuals focusing mainly on sex 261 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.720 offenders tied to the area where Christine was abducted and 262 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:06.559 where her body was found, but they just couldn't seem 263 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:10.200 to connect anything. However, with the new DNA testing being 264 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:13.440 able to prove Gie's innocence, the authorities were hoping now 265 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.879 it might be able to prove someone else's guilt. So 266 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.600 despite this extensive testing, they were just unable to find 267 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:24.399 a match. But in twenty nineteen, the case, current at 268 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.240 that time, still without any new leads, was handed to 269 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:31.720 Detective Steve Smith of Toronto Police. Now Smith had been 270 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:35.840 just thirteen years old when Christine's body was discovered, which 271 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:38.200 means he was only four years old older than Christine, 272 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.240 and this case it kind of struck a nerve with 273 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:43.480 him and it had stuck with him ever since. So 274 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:45.399 when he took it over, he decided to give the 275 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:48.080 investigation one last shot. 276 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:50.480 Okay, I just have to say, that's a good person 277 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:53.279 to take it over, though, no kidding, really good because 278 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:56.279 they're gonna, you know, it affected them and so they're 279 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:58.279 going to just have that extra likom to. 280 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.960 Try to get that investment investment into the case, right. 281 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:04.039 So that's one hundred percent what it was for him. 282 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:07.320 He was invested, not only of course with his job, 283 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:11.360 but there's this personal attachment of you know, she was 284 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:14.480 my age or whatever. I grew up hearing about this. 285 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:17.480 It was in the paper, My mom or neighbor whoever 286 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:20.600 was crying talking about it. I saw the posters as 287 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:23.799 she was missing. I attended Surge Park like things like that. Yeah, 288 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.080 and this is the individual who is now taking it over. 289 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:27.519 Okay, that's so good. 290 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:32.639 Yeah. So Smith had recently completed a forensic genology course 291 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:36.320 and saw an opportunity to apply this technique to Christine's case. 292 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:42.120 So you see, the Human Genome Project or HGP, launched 293 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:44.720 in nineteen ninety and completed in two thousand and three. 294 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.720 It was a monumental scientific endeavor that mapped all genes 295 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:52.399 in the human genome and determined the complete DNA sequence. 296 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:55.399 We've talked about this a few times on our podcast before, 297 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:58.440 and it was done. I mean, it has done wonderful 298 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:01.399 things for investigators in the world true crime. It's helped 299 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:06.159 find countless perpetrators, including identifying the infamous Golden State killer 300 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:08.480 in twenty eighteen, for example. 301 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:10.159 Right, yes, and we've done that one. 302 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:11.879 Yes, have we done the Golden State? 303 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:13.919 I thought we did? Didn't I do that one? 304 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:14.559 Maybe? 305 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:15.639 I'm pretty sure. 306 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:17.720 We're over two hundred and twenty five episodes and it's 307 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:18.679 hard to remember everything. 308 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:20.240 We've all hard to remember them all. 309 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.080 But I do know the case for sure, and yes, 310 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:25.840 this was something that helped actually identify the Golden State, 311 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:28.840 and this is what we're looking at now. So Smith 312 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:33.399 soon contacted the Texas based genetic genealogy company, offering to 313 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:39.200 collaborate on this case. However, they were willing, but they 314 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:42.679 were only going to allow him to submit one sample 315 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:49.240 for the project, just one. See, he had many cases 316 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.159 that we're going across his desk, right, Okay. 317 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:54.639 I was like, what's exactly the problem here? Okay? 318 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:57.799 Yeah, many cases, many individuals that he would like to 319 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:01.039 see take advantage of this opportunity, and he only is 320 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:06.079 allowed to submit one. So, after much thought, he chose 321 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:07.759 to submit Christine's. 322 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:09.759 Okay, that's tough. 323 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:12.400 Yeah, it wasn't a decision he made lightly by any means, No, 324 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:16.400 I'm sure not. Yeah, and especially considering like no Canadian 325 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:19.680 court had ever used forensic genealogy in a criminal case before, 326 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:21.759 so if this were to come back and be some 327 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:23.720 evidence that could go into court, it would be a 328 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:28.400 first in a Canadian criminal justice system. So, using the 329 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:32.319 DNA collected from Christine's clothing, the team uploaded the profile 330 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:37.039 to an ancestry platform called ged match. Using this platform 331 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:39.680 in its database, the DNA was analyzed and compared to 332 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:43.119 others that had been input around the world. It didn't 333 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:47.519 take long before they got three hits. It found distant 334 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:54.200 third cousins from this mysterious perpetrator. Investigators used this information 335 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:57.279 and began building a family tree from those connections and 336 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.000 through this match. Now it sounds like a big breakthrough, 337 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:02.400 and don't get me wrong, this is, but the reality 338 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:04.480 of the situation is that this led to a pool 339 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:07.960 of over thirty three thousand people who could potentially be 340 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:09.279 the one that they're after. 341 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:12.880 So that's narrowing it down quite a bit, but that's 342 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:16.079 that's still a bit. That's still a huge pool. 343 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:18.319 See, what they're doing is basically saying this could be 344 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.000 anyone in Ontario, and now you're like, it's anyone related 345 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.640 to this pool, and now it's a gene pool instead 346 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:28.279 of like a population pool, you know what I mean. 347 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:31.160 So it's narrowed it down, but that's still a lot 348 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:32.480 of people to look through. 349 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:36.079 So then you can narrow that down even more, I 350 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:39.200 feel like, potentially to people who are in that area 351 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:41.440 at the time and stuff you could. 352 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:44.279 You could potentially, but you also have to it's going 353 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:47.200 to take a lot of investigating to get that narrowed down, right. 354 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:49.519 It could take years to get that narrowed down to 355 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:53.240 even like half of its size, for example. So it's 356 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:55.400 a broad spectrum still, but it's a step in the 357 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:59.599 right direction. So Smith, though, decided that the time that 358 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:01.960 would take to do so was too great and he 359 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:04.960 wasn't willing to sit there and go through it all 360 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:07.839 for years on end in hopes of finding someone, right, 361 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:11.599 so he decided to try again, this time using a 362 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:15.880 different platform called family Tree DNA. The decision to try 363 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:18.400 again turned out to be the right move. 364 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:21.359 Oh man, this is giving me chills here. 365 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:26.799 So this attempt yielded an additional three third cousins. However, 366 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.359 these ones were reportedly much closer to the killer. Okay, 367 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:35.359 now this is one of the genetic hits from the genealogy. 368 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:37.920 It turned out that these were from the maternal side 369 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:42.480 of this killer. So this breakthrough actually allowed the detective 370 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:44.799 and his team to narrow that list down from the 371 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:49.119 potential thirty three thousand suspects down to about four hundred. 372 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:52.079 Okay, now we're talking here. 373 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.319 Now we're talking. That could have taken a decade to 374 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:59.400 do alone. Yeah, Instead he submitted to another platform and 375 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.720 here we are. So with newer information at hand, Detective Smith, 376 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.720 along with a Toronto police genealogist and a couple of 377 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:12.440 genealogy experts from the Texas based company, spent the next 378 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:16.319 eight months building an intricate family tree, you know, connecting 379 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:19.359 person from person to person and a family all over. 380 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:21.440 They call him through every piece of information that they 381 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:26.240 could find, burial records, birth certificates, town registries, even their 382 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.240 social media going online that way, And at the root 383 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:31.160 of this massive tree was a man by the name 384 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:34.240 of Henry Hoover Junior, who was born in eighteen oh 385 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:38.519 four in Lenox, Ontario. From there they worked backwards or upwards, 386 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:40.680 or whichever way you want to say. If it's family tree, 387 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:42.440 you start at the roots, I guess you go upwards. 388 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:46.799 So they populated this four hundred name family tree and 389 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:52.240 eventually coming to a great great grandson of Henry Hoover Junior. 390 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:57.119 The DNA found on Christine's clothes was a match to 391 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.680 a man by the name of Calvin Hoover. 392 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:05.480 Okay, have we been introduced to this person? I'm like 393 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:06.759 having trouble recalling that. 394 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:08.839 This is where you're going to have to recall back 395 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:09.440 to part one. 396 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:11.759 I know, and I can't remember this name. 397 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:14.359 And this is a really good reason why I'm so 398 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:19.119 happy this was a part two case because I almost 399 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:21.920 get to reintroduce you. So before we're going to talk 400 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:24.920 about who Calvin was. Okayt so. Calvin Hoover was born 401 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:28.519