WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.359 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. These guys, 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:12.919 are you faeve? It's so like say subscribe and rade 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:13.919 it five. 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:16.199 Star and. 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:25.320 Greatest on yesterday listening, oh watching Limb always keep it's watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Berckman and James Boobo Fay. 7 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:33.600 But but you heard about the tragedy of there's two 8 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:36.479 men dying to the elements up there in Scamania County. 9 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:38.920 Yeah, asn't asked you do you know who that was? Yet? 10 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:41.600 Not yet, not yet, we don't have The names are 11 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:43.560 not being released as of this recording, and of course 12 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:48.679 we are recording on New Year's Eve, so December thirty first, 13 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:51.679 twenty twenty four, that's when we're recording this. It comes 14 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:53.799 out in a couple more days here. But as of now, 15 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:56.759 the names have not been released. Although I spent a 16 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:00.000 good portion of my day yesterday oddly enough handling press staff, 17 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:03.200 I did a TV spot from the local news stations 18 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:07.599 of Willamitt Week reached out to me and kind of 19 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:09.640 a mixed bag there. One of the I'm not sure 20 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:11.400 what made the edit on the TV or what's going 21 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:13.280 to make the edit. When they released the Wilamite News. 22 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:15.840 But they actually asked me, do I think bigfoots are 23 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:17.959 responsible or at least one of the one of the 24 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:20.120 reporters asked me, and I said, no, of course not, 25 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:23.079 of course not, and just kind of tried to ground 26 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.840 the articles a little bit, you know, by just saying 27 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:29.920 bigfooting is going outside and looking around for an animal, 28 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.000 just like you're bird watching or you're going to look 29 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:34.680 for deer or something like that. It's it's like hunting 30 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:38.000 or skiing or any other outdoor pursuit. You leave your 31 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:42.040 you step out your door. It's very dangerous business sipping 32 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:42.599 out your door. 33 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:45.200 Yeah. My guess is that they were this is a 34 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:48.120 total guests, is that they're probably hard working dudes or 35 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:51.200 you know, busy guys, and this is like it was 36 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:52.840 obviously a bad time to be out there. 37 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:55.040 I mean, these giant storms rolling through. 38 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.439 They probably you know, they had this time blocked off 39 00:01:57.480 --> 00:01:59.879 and they and they had they just like we're doing it. 40 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.760 We're going to tough it out. That's what I'm imagining happened, 41 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:05.319 and it just got worse than expected. Yeah. 42 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.400 Yeah, and since both of them passed, so it came 43 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:10.159 to the elements there I have to assume some sort 44 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.400 of snow related thing. What little I did see there 45 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:15.400 was some snow on the ground. I'm assuming their car 46 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:18.000 got stuck, but I don't know what it is. Search 47 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:22.240 and Rescue commented that it was perhaps due to not 48 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:24.400 being prepared in some sort of way. So we're going 49 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:25.960 to try to address that a little bit because a 50 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:27.680 couple of our members have reached out to us and 51 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:31.199 suggested that we do episodes about what we bring and 52 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:33.879 why we bring it out bigfooting, and you know, safety 53 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:36.199 and survival is a big part of that in a 54 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:38.800 lot of ways. So we're gonna try to address some 55 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.319 of this in the upcoming episodes of Bigfoot and Beyond 56 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:45.759 here and also just just we're whatever it's worth. I mean, 57 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:49.319 there's nothing you can say when somebody that you love dies, 58 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:52.800 of course, but you know, over here Big Thing and Beyond, 59 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:56.400 we are thinking of the families because realistically, that could 60 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:59.039 be anyone of our families with just a little bit 61 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:02.120 going wrong at any given time. Because I was talking 62 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:04.280 to Nico about this, and of course Nico trains people 63 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:06.319 in survival skills, and he's a train tracker and all 64 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:08.360 that sort of stuff, and Nico is saying, like, you know, 65 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:12.319 even if you're completely prepared, it only makes the survival 66 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:16.599 situation easier and doesn't guarantee the outcome. Right, the woods 67 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:20.520 are no joke. There's a bottom line, So our thoughts 68 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:22.080 are with them. I me know that we're thinking of 69 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.719 those families because that could be our family if we're 70 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:25.280 not careful. 71 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:28.039 Yeah, I had tons of people going, do you know 72 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:29.800 who is it? Who is it? I'm like, I don't know. 73 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:32.080 I think I think we would have heard by now 74 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.159 if it was someone we were friends with, I think, 75 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:36.719 but who knows. We'll see. 76 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.479 Yeah, I don't think I would be friends with them 77 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:42.240 because again, like you said, I think I would have 78 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:46.080 been told by now. But I'm those people are from Portland. 79 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.840 I'm wondering if they're museum members. Right, you know, it's 80 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:51.639 a very real possibility, and you know what you know, 81 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:54.639 to add tragedy to tragedy. By the way, I caught 82 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:57.159 on the news this morning that while the search and 83 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:00.240 rescue team was out dealing with this or another case, 84 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:02.520 but I think it was actually this one, someone broke 85 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:06.439 into their compound and stole two of their supply trailers. 86 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:07.560 From the search and rescue. 87 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:11.000 I saw that dude. That's disgusting, absolutely terrible. 88 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:13.400 Yeah, and of course, so they're out a lot of money, 89 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:15.199 et cetera. But you know, I saw that on the news. 90 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:18.240 They started a go fund me, So, Matt Pru, why 91 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:21.360 don't you put the GoFundMe url the web web address 92 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:24.560 into the show notes in case any of us listening 93 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.000 out there want to help them out in some. 94 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:27.439 Sort of way. 95 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:29.680 So, because I saw the sheriff on the news this 96 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:33.279 morning in my newsfeed, and she was a sheriff was 97 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:36.680 down there. She was saying, yeah, well basically I'm summarizing here. 98 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:39.240 This isn't an exact quote, but she's saying basically, yeah, 99 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:42.079 don't get lost in Scamania County because these thieves took 100 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:43.560 the stuff and it's going to be a while till 101 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.120 we get to you. So yeah, that's an example of 102 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:50.560 a crime having real life and death consequences. So to if, 103 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:52.680 just in case people are listening and you're the one 104 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:56.399 who stole that stuff, you're a jackass, feel free to 105 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:57.399 return it. Yeah. 106 00:04:57.439 --> 00:04:59.399 That's one of those things, you know, like the not 107 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:01.800 a butterfly effect exactly, but I mean direct, it's a 108 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:05.160 direct effect. I mean people's there's search and rescue. I mean, 109 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:08.040 people could easily die due to this theft, you know, 110 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:11.199 some tweakers or whatever. You know, it's just that's stuff. 111 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:13.680 Just chest my ass to tenth degree. 112 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:16.079 Oh yeah, well, why don't we move on to something 113 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:19.000 slightly lighter, or actually a lot lighter, something that makes 114 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:22.480 my heart sore? Our guest, Bob, why don't you do 115 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:23.040 the honors? 116 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:26.839 All right, folks, we're very honored, proud, and in irreverent 117 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:28.839 mood because we have one of the greatest men on 118 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:31.639 earth here today to join us. He's been voted best 119 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:33.680 hair and big Footing in three or four times now, 120 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:37.600 and the guy's a legend. He's a good friend of ours. 121 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:42.079 We all love him to death. Mark Burcell from Washington, Slash, 122 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:47.160 Oregon and just out of the world. Yay, Mark. 123 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:50.439 Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know about the hair 124 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:53.959 a words. Really, I wasn't ever notified. I would have 125 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:56.240 like bragged about it more. I made a T shirt 126 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.680 or yeah, a whole line of T shirts. I knew 127 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.360 I had the best hair in big footing. So anyway, thanks, 128 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:05.600 pull on a hair products. Oh yeah, oh that's a 129 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:07.920 great idea. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna work. I'm going to 130 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:09.319 work on that anyway. 131 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:09.720 Thanks. 132 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:10.600 Thanks for having to me. 133 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:14.160 Back on you know, all of us, all of us 134 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:18.560 here are such great friends. I was thinking about coming 135 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:22.360 on today with you guys, and I realized that I 136 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:25.600 kind of like get confused about what we've talked about 137 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:28.600 in previous podcasts and what we've just talked about privately. 138 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.680 So I don't know if if I ramble on about 139 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.279 something I've already talked about on a previous podcast, just 140 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:37.199 let me know, because I don't know, I get confused. 141 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:39.439 I just saw all of you guys a few days ago, 142 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:40.959 so well, I think. 143 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:42.879 It's a gross oversight on our part to have you 144 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:45.600 only on every few years. But it's been a couple 145 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:47.279 of years at least, and I know that twenty twenty 146 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:50.720 four was a huge year for Ape Canyon, and we 147 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:53.199 haven't even had you once since you had your sighting either, 148 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:55.600 so I know that there's a lot to talk about here, 149 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:58.279 and of course, well, and we're such good friends, we 150 00:06:58.319 --> 00:06:59.639 have so much to say to each other. We'll be 151 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:02.319 doing a members episode after this as well, where our 152 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:07.079 members have actually contributed questions specifically for you, so we'll 153 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:09.240 be dealing with that later. But why don't we start 154 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:11.720 before we get into the sighting, because I want to 155 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.319 talk about that in the projects that we haven't seen 156 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:16.800 much of yet, the Thompson Flat stuff and all that jazz. 157 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:19.800 But twenty twenty four was a huge ear for Ape 158 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:22.240 Canyon in lots of ways. I mean, not only was 159 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.079 it the centennial, the one hundred year anniversary of the events, 160 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:29.120 but new discoveries were made, new contacts were made, We 161 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:32.199 have views that we've never seen before. Do you want 162 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.199 to tell us what twenty twenty four looked like for 163 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:35.319 the Epe Canyon project. 164 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:38.360 Yeah, it was a very very strange year. 165 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:38.759 You know. 166 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:43.439 The thing about what I feel is a good project, 167 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:46.399 not just big just not a Bigfoot project, but just 168 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:51.160 any research that you're doing. I don't I don't really 169 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:55.439 like to banter around the term science or scientists because 170 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:59.639 nobody is a licensed card carrying scientist. You're a chemical 171 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:04.680 gist specializing in basalt. You're a marine mammal researcher, you know, 172 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:08.839 so you have these specialties. But any good research project 173 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:13.560 that you're doing that's worth its salt is never ever done. 174 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:19.160 It's always something new. If you think that you have 175 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.800 come to conclusions and that this research project is done, 176 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:25.639 you're kind of making a mistake. You always have to 177 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:29.199 leave the door open for something new. So sometimes in 178 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:31.800 the Ape Canyon project, I think, yeah, it's kind of 179 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:34.639 coming down to the bitter end and there's not that 180 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:38.919 much more, and then suddenly, out of the blue, completely unexpected, 181 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.759 there's something new that shows up. So twenty four was 182 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:47.639 a massive year for Ape Canyon and it really opened 183 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:51.639 up literally literally opened up a lot on the project. 184 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:55.960 Early on, oh, I think it was late twenty three, 185 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:00.879 early twenty four. I was messing around the Devil's Magic 186 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:04.399 they called the Internet on Facebook, and someone had a 187 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:08.360 page about Mount Saint Helens before the eruption in nineteen 188 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:14.639 eighty and someone had contributed pictures of the fire lookout 189 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.200 up on top of Mount Saint Helens being built in 190 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:21.799 nineteen twenty four, and there are a couple of photos 191 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:25.080 of these rangers, and I look at the description and 192 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:28.600 it's like, holy smokes. The two guys and the photos 193 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:33.200 are Bill Welch and Jim Huffman, the two rangers who 194 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.799 were pretty important characters in the entire eight Canyon story. 195 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.240 There were important characters in the incident. Bill Welch was 196 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:44.480 the head ranger at sparent Lake and Jim Huffman was 197 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:47.720 the ranger down down south in the next district. They're 198 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:50.440 at the Lewis River. So I reached out to the 199 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.840 Facebook administrator and he put me on contact with the 200 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:58.759 woman who contributed these photos. Well, it turns out that 201 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:02.720 the women who contributed the photos were Bill Welch's great 202 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:06.919 grand niece. It was her grandfather's brother, and so I 203 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:10.480 reached out to her and she knew the entire Ape 204 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:13.320 Canyon story and she was like, oh, well, I have 205 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:17.360 some neat stuff in my family photo album and I'll 206 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:21.679 share it with you. And she sent me digitized copies 207 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:26.480 basically just like a photograph of the individual photos. And 208 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:32.240 these were amazing, amazing photos that had never been seen 209 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:35.879 outside of her family. It was just amazing photos. As 210 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:40.519 an example, we had before this, we only had one photo, 211 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:44.240 one known photo that was published in The Oregonian of 212 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:48.480 the cabin in nineteen twenty four, and I'd been looking 213 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:52.279 for the original and may have been destroyed, but it's 214 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:55.840 just a grainy newspaper photo. It helped a lot in 215 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:59.440 the project of finding the cabin site, but it was 216 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.559 still just kind of a funky, grainy photo. Well man, 217 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:07.519 these Sandy Moyer photos were so clear and so amazing 218 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:10.799 that actually I sent them to photographer friends just on 219 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:13.799 the off chance because it almost looked like AI generated. 220 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.799 They were so crystal clear, just to plug the North 221 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:19.639 American Bigfoot Center. You can see them on display at 222 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:23.440 the NABC right now. They were so good. I thought 223 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:26.240 they were AI generated, but no, my photographer friends said, no, 224 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:29.240 this is the real deal. So we ended up with 225 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:34.039 these tremendous, amazing photos of Fred and Leroy. These photos 226 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:38.559 were taken about a week after the attack when Fred 227 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:41.919 Beck and Leroy Smith went up to the cabin site 228 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:47.120 with reporters with Bill Welch and Jim Huffman, and that's 229 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:50.240 when the photo so we know exactly when those photos 230 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:55.080 were taken, and it was just tremendous. The photos are 231 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:59.559 just amazing. The other thing that literally opened up is 232 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:04.360 that you and I Cliff went up on the ninety 233 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:08.000 ninth anniversary and twenty twenty three, went up on the 234 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:10.720 mountain and hung out for two or three days, and 235 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:15.759 we were supposed to be joined by three fellows who 236 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.519 I call the Mitchell Brothers. Actually two of them are 237 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.080 brothers and one is a cousin. It's Jake, Jared and 238 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:25.360 Brayden Mitchell. They were going to join us, but there's 239 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.440 a mishap and they couldn't join us, and they ended 240 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.519 up going back up there after we came off the 241 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.000 mountain about two or three weeks later. I had given 242 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:39.679 them rough directions as best directions as I could to 243 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:42.279 get to the cabin site, which I don't give out, 244 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.360 but it's their family story. So I was like, Okay, 245 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:48.799 here's how you get to the cabin. Well, these guys 246 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.720 are young, and they're incredibly energetic. You know, people think 247 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.320 I'm nuts for what I do, you know, up at 248 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:59.200 eight Canyon, but you should see these guys. These guys 249 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.919 are like leave being down the rock face like Gazelle's 250 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.759 like antelope and I'm gonna flow down. Wow, geez, you know, 251 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:10.399 they're just amazingly energetic. Well, they after they did it 252 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:13.840 three times and they couldn't find the cabin site on 253 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:17.440 the third try, they finally, in one weekend, they got 254 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:19.759 to the they got to the cabin and figured it out. Okay, 255 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:22.919 this is that. Well they just went a little bit further. 256 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:27.639 Jake went down and Brandon and Jared are at the 257 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:31.440 top at the cabin site watching him, and they accidentally 258 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:35.200 kicked down just this little pubbly rock and they watched 259 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:38.159 this rock just skid her right past Jake into this 260 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:43.240 little trough in the rock, and that rock just was 261 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:47.000 just pointing and leading him right to the mine. And 262 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.759 they were able to find the mine on that trip, 263 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:53.600 which you and I, Cliff have been down there, and 264 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:56.840 you know, we were like within just feet just a 265 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.759 few feet of the mine entrance. But you can really 266 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:04.440 see the Mind entrance unless you're like right on top 267 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:07.279 of it, unless you're basically standing right in front of it. 268 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:10.399 So that was a that was just a tremendous discovery 269 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:13.840 that you know, it's just the gift that keeps on giving. Really, 270 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:16.960 there's all this new information coming out all the time. 271 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:22.240 So getting getting the Mind has opened up new leads, 272 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:26.639 have not not caving leads or underground leads, but have 273 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:32.240 opened up new leads to pursue regarding gold and essays 274 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:34.679 and and that kind of thing for the whole tip 275 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:35.679 of the whole story together. 276 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:40.120 Wow, and just how fantastic is it that actual family 277 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:41.639 members rediscovered the mind? 278 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:42.440 Oh? 279 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:47.440 Absolutely absolutely, And again it's their story and you know 280 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:49.799 the Mitchell guys and I've I've hung out with them 281 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:54.519 a lot, and they're not necessarily big footy bigfooters or anything. 282 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:56.759 You know, They're not those kind of people and have 283 00:14:57.039 --> 00:15:00.320 and they're great because they have high end skepticism about 284 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:03.200 the whole phenomenon, so they're really not interested. Well they 285 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:06.759 are interested in Bigfoot, but they're mainly interested in their 286 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:11.240 family history and for them, for the Mitchells to find it, 287 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:15.120 the great grandsons of Leroy Perry Smith, that's just fantastic. 288 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:17.399 It's their story. 289 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:21.240 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 290 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:30.080 Bobo will be right back after these messages. Well, we'll 291 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:31.639 get back to the Abe Canyon thing when we talk 292 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:34.000 to the members that during the member episode. And of course, 293 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:35.320 if you want to be a member, there's a link 294 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:38.080 in the show notes. Check it out. Maybe it's for you, 295 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:40.519 I don't know. But other things have been happening as well, 296 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:42.399 And I don't know what you have. You know in 297 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:46.759 your bonnet about cabins that are attacked by sasquatches, but 298 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:49.759 you had this whole project in southern Oregon with Bobo, 299 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:51.759 so you guys can talk about that but during that 300 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:54.960 adventure you actually had an observation of a sasquat or 301 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:59.000 two sasquatches. So fill us in on, you know, set 302 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:00.960 up the story there to what were you guys doing 303 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:03.559 down there? When can we expect to see the project? 304 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:05.720 And what happened? What did you observe? 305 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:11.440 Well, it was the strangest five seconds in my life. 306 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.000 This has been a long term project. I'm calling it 307 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:19.000 the Thompson Flat Monster Project. This is in southwest Oregon, 308 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:23.240 in Curry County, which is like the most southern southwesterly 309 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:26.519 county in Oregon. We're about sixty miles from the California 310 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:32.679 border and over the course of golly Man probably about 311 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:38.200 forty years or so down in this very very limited 312 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:43.440 small area in and around this area called Thompson Flat, 313 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:45.639 which is on the south fork of that Sixes River, 314 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:52.120 there were multiple sightings and encounters with a sasquatch like 315 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:58.360 creature creatures starting around eighteen seventy five eighteen seventy six, 316 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:03.320 and these have and quite often going into the nineteen 317 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:08.200 teens and early nineteen twenties. And some of these encounters 318 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:15.279 were not pleasant. It wasn't just like a fleeting, a 319 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.240 fleeting silhouette going across the road. Some of them were 320 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:23.240 incredibly aggressive. The reason why humans were down there to 321 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:27.480 have these encounters is that this was a gold mining area. 322 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:31.680 And the first encounter, first encounter in eighteen seventy five 323 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:36.160 was with the prospector and Tom said that he was 324 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:39.960 picked up by this hairy individual by the scraff in 325 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:42.640 the back, and it happened so quickly he couldn't get 326 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:46.279 a really good look at it. But Tom was throttled 327 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:51.680 and thrown down this hillside and knocked unconscious. His friends 328 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:54.559 came up a few days later, found him alive and 329 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:58.119 nursed him back to health. Well when Tom he did 330 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:01.960 find gold on that trip, and the word got out 331 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:05.440 and the whole area became known as the gold Rush 332 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:09.319 of Southwest Oregon, and there were many many people who 333 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:15.400 went up there to work on gold mines. At first 334 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:19.480 they were just doing load claims tunneling into the side 335 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:22.559 of the river, and then later they found out it 336 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:25.640 was a little bit easier to do plaster locations. So 337 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:29.400 at one point in the eighteen eighties there were about 338 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:35.200 forty people who lived in small tents and cabins up 339 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:39.160 around Thompson Flat on the river. And they were working 340 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:43.359 their own individual claims, but then they would come together 341 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:46.039 in it's sort of a communal kind of setting and 342 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.200 share food and share stories and that kind of thing. Well, 343 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:52.839 one at a time, over the period of about eighteen months, 344 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:57.599 four miners showed up dead, and it was a kind 345 00:18:57.640 --> 00:18:59.799 of thing of like, oh, well, where's John. He should 346 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:03.279 be by now, And they go up to his claim 347 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:06.640 and they find John dead. Each each of these four 348 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.400 individuals either had their heads bashed in or their bodies 349 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:14.880 beaten to just throttle and to a pulp. Well, people 350 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.759 got scared and they started vacating the area quite quickly. 351 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.839 There was only one fellow named Mike Madigan who was 352 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:26.000 living up there at his cabin and his claim. His 353 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:29.160 cabin is actually still standing and it's actually in very 354 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:33.359 very good shape. He had had a previous encounter where 355 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.519 he's he was. He had a gold he had a 356 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:39.440 golden mine. But he was sort of like the village huntsman, 357 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.680 and he would go out and hunt and bring back 358 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:46.720 food and and trade it for supplies and everything. And 359 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.960 he was out with his dogs one day and there 360 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:53.480 was this large creature. The interesting thing about Thompson Flat 361 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:58.799 are the are these encounters keep describing this individual as 362 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:03.240 not this monster ten foot tall, bigfoot like character. It's 363 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:06.880 like six or seven feet tall kid, just routinely, over 364 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:10.559 and over again described as being yellow or blonde in 365 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:14.839 hair color. One of Madigan's dogs takes after it, and 366 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:17.519 the creature picks up the dog, throbbles it and throws 367 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:21.319 it down the hillside. Madigan starts shooting at the individual, 368 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:25.839 and the second dog takes off to to the to 369 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:29.400 the bigfoot, and the bigfoot picks it up, and Madigan 370 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:33.519 shots going into this creature seemingly to be a seeming 371 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:38.000 completely unaffected, and so Madigan gets out of there. 372 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:40.960 He was famous to the mad what they call the 373 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:45.319 Mad Mike whatever, and Grizzly Mike. He he was famous 374 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:47.359 for hunting down and killing grizzly bears. And he had 375 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:51.279 these the dogs were big, huge stud dogs that he'd 376 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:55.000 used to take, you know, corner of the grizzlies. So 377 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:57.000 this guy was like he wasn't you know, it wasn't 378 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:59.440 like just some minor guy up there. This guy was 379 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:03.599 a lot legend, like big fearless stud guy he was. 380 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.079 And that's why they called him grizz Yeah, that's what 381 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:09.440 was his nickname Griz Madigan because he had had he 382 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:13.559 had had I had a little little close encounter with 383 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:16.599 with a with a bear, with a grizzly that left 384 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:19.640 these huge scratch marks. And in the previous issue with 385 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:22.519 his bear, the bear had gotten so close that it 386 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:24.720 was able to claw his face and he had this 387 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:28.440 series of scars across his face. The guy, the guy 388 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:31.640 was just like, you know, the guy was a monster outdoorsman. 389 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:33.920 He you know, it wasn't You're right, it wasn't just 390 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:35.920 some guy out there wandering with his out there with 391 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.440 his dogs with a baby gun. He really knew what 392 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:39.599 he was doing, right. 393 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:41.279 Yeah, he had a high caliber He had a high 394 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:42.640 caliber rifle for grizzlies. 395 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:45.839 Yeah, right, exactly, exactly. Yeah, you bring up a really 396 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:49.559 good point, and this this one encounter with his dogs 397 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:53.680 was not point blank range, but it was within seventy 398 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:57.160 seventy five feet one hundred feet or so of this individual, 399 00:21:57.160 --> 00:21:59.880 and he was like blasting this big foot like creature. 400 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.839 But like other encounters, sort of like the Ape Canyon story, 401 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.519