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Speaker 1: But but you heard about the tragedy of there's two
Speaker 1: men dying to the elements up there in Scamania County.
Speaker 2: Yeah, asn't asked you do you know who that was? Yet?
Speaker 1: Not yet, not yet, we don't have The names are
Speaker 1: not being released as of this recording, and of course
Speaker 1: we are recording on New Year's Eve, so December thirty first,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, that's when we're recording this. It comes
Speaker 1: out in a couple more days here. But as of now,
Speaker 1: the names have not been released. Although I spent a
Speaker 1: good portion of my day yesterday oddly enough handling press staff,
Speaker 1: I did a TV spot from the local news stations
Speaker 1: of Willamitt Week reached out to me and kind of
Speaker 1: a mixed bag there. One of the I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what made the edit on the TV or what's going
Speaker 1: to make the edit. When they released the Wilamite News.
Speaker 1: But they actually asked me, do I think bigfoots are
Speaker 1: responsible or at least one of the one of the
Speaker 1: reporters asked me, and I said, no, of course not,
Speaker 1: of course not, and just kind of tried to ground
Speaker 1: the articles a little bit, you know, by just saying
Speaker 1: bigfooting is going outside and looking around for an animal,
Speaker 1: just like you're bird watching or you're going to look
Speaker 1: for deer or something like that. It's it's like hunting
Speaker 1: or skiing or any other outdoor pursuit. You leave your
Speaker 1: you step out your door. It's very dangerous business sipping
Speaker 1: out your door.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My guess is that they were this is a
Speaker 2: total guests, is that they're probably hard working dudes or
Speaker 2: you know, busy guys, and this is like it was
Speaker 2: obviously a bad time to be out there.
Speaker 4: I mean, these giant storms rolling through.
Speaker 2: They probably you know, they had this time blocked off
Speaker 2: and they and they had they just like we're doing it.
Speaker 2: We're going to tough it out. That's what I'm imagining happened,
Speaker 2: and it just got worse than expected. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and since both of them passed, so it came
Speaker 1: to the elements there I have to assume some sort
Speaker 1: of snow related thing. What little I did see there
Speaker 1: was some snow on the ground. I'm assuming their car
Speaker 1: got stuck, but I don't know what it is. Search
Speaker 1: and Rescue commented that it was perhaps due to not
Speaker 1: being prepared in some sort of way. So we're going
Speaker 1: to try to address that a little bit because a
Speaker 1: couple of our members have reached out to us and
Speaker 1: suggested that we do episodes about what we bring and
Speaker 1: why we bring it out bigfooting, and you know, safety
Speaker 1: and survival is a big part of that in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. So we're gonna try to address some
Speaker 1: of this in the upcoming episodes of Bigfoot and Beyond
Speaker 1: here and also just just we're whatever it's worth. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can say when somebody that you love dies,
Speaker 1: of course, but you know, over here Big Thing and Beyond,
Speaker 1: we are thinking of the families because realistically, that could
Speaker 1: be anyone of our families with just a little bit
Speaker 1: going wrong at any given time. Because I was talking
Speaker 1: to Nico about this, and of course Nico trains people
Speaker 1: in survival skills, and he's a train tracker and all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, and Nico is saying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: even if you're completely prepared, it only makes the survival
Speaker 1: situation easier and doesn't guarantee the outcome. Right, the woods
Speaker 1: are no joke. There's a bottom line, So our thoughts
Speaker 1: are with them. I me know that we're thinking of
Speaker 1: those families because that could be our family if we're
Speaker 1: not careful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had tons of people going, do you know
Speaker 2: who is it? Who is it? I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I think we would have heard by now
Speaker 2: if it was someone we were friends with, I think,
Speaker 2: but who knows. We'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I would be friends with them
Speaker 1: because again, like you said, I think I would have
Speaker 1: been told by now. But I'm those people are from Portland.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they're museum members. Right, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a very real possibility, and you know what you know,
Speaker 1: to add tragedy to tragedy. By the way, I caught
Speaker 1: on the news this morning that while the search and
Speaker 1: rescue team was out dealing with this or another case,
Speaker 1: but I think it was actually this one, someone broke
Speaker 1: into their compound and stole two of their supply trailers.
Speaker 1: From the search and rescue.
Speaker 2: I saw that dude. That's disgusting, absolutely terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course, so they're out a lot of money,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But you know, I saw that on the news.
Speaker 1: They started a go fund me, So, Matt Pru, why
Speaker 1: don't you put the GoFundMe url the web web address
Speaker 1: into the show notes in case any of us listening
Speaker 1: out there want to help them out in some.
Speaker 4: Sort of way.
Speaker 1: So, because I saw the sheriff on the news this
Speaker 1: morning in my newsfeed, and she was a sheriff was
Speaker 1: down there. She was saying, yeah, well basically I'm summarizing here.
Speaker 1: This isn't an exact quote, but she's saying basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't get lost in Scamania County because these thieves took
Speaker 1: the stuff and it's going to be a while till
Speaker 1: we get to you. So yeah, that's an example of
Speaker 1: a crime having real life and death consequences. So to if,
Speaker 1: just in case people are listening and you're the one
Speaker 1: who stole that stuff, you're a jackass, feel free to
Speaker 1: return it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's one of those things, you know, like the not
Speaker 2: a butterfly effect exactly, but I mean direct, it's a
Speaker 2: direct effect. I mean people's there's search and rescue. I mean,
Speaker 2: people could easily die due to this theft, you know,
Speaker 2: some tweakers or whatever. You know, it's just that's stuff.
Speaker 2: Just chest my ass to tenth degree.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, why don't we move on to something
Speaker 1: slightly lighter, or actually a lot lighter, something that makes
Speaker 1: my heart sore? Our guest, Bob, why don't you do
Speaker 1: the honors?
Speaker 2: All right, folks, we're very honored, proud, and in irreverent
Speaker 2: mood because we have one of the greatest men on
Speaker 2: earth here today to join us. He's been voted best
Speaker 2: hair and big Footing in three or four times now,
Speaker 2: and the guy's a legend. He's a good friend of ours.
Speaker 2: We all love him to death. Mark Burcell from Washington, Slash,
Speaker 2: Oregon and just out of the world. Yay, Mark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know about the hair
Speaker 3: a words. Really, I wasn't ever notified. I would have
Speaker 3: like bragged about it more. I made a T shirt
Speaker 3: or yeah, a whole line of T shirts. I knew
Speaker 3: I had the best hair in big footing. So anyway, thanks,
Speaker 3: pull on a hair products. Oh yeah, oh that's a
Speaker 3: great idea. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna work. I'm going to
Speaker 3: work on that anyway.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having to me.
Speaker 3: Back on you know, all of us, all of us
Speaker 3: here are such great friends. I was thinking about coming
Speaker 3: on today with you guys, and I realized that I
Speaker 3: kind of like get confused about what we've talked about
Speaker 3: in previous podcasts and what we've just talked about privately.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if if I ramble on about
Speaker 3: something I've already talked about on a previous podcast, just
Speaker 3: let me know, because I don't know, I get confused.
Speaker 3: I just saw all of you guys a few days ago,
Speaker 3: so well, I think.
Speaker 1: It's a gross oversight on our part to have you
Speaker 1: only on every few years. But it's been a couple
Speaker 1: of years at least, and I know that twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four was a huge year for Ape Canyon, and we
Speaker 1: haven't even had you once since you had your sighting either,
Speaker 1: so I know that there's a lot to talk about here,
Speaker 1: and of course, well, and we're such good friends, we
Speaker 1: have so much to say to each other. We'll be
Speaker 1: doing a members episode after this as well, where our
Speaker 1: members have actually contributed questions specifically for you, so we'll
Speaker 1: be dealing with that later. But why don't we start
Speaker 1: before we get into the sighting, because I want to
Speaker 1: talk about that in the projects that we haven't seen
Speaker 1: much of yet, the Thompson Flat stuff and all that jazz.
Speaker 1: But twenty twenty four was a huge ear for Ape
Speaker 1: Canyon in lots of ways. I mean, not only was
Speaker 1: it the centennial, the one hundred year anniversary of the events,
Speaker 1: but new discoveries were made, new contacts were made, We
Speaker 1: have views that we've never seen before. Do you want
Speaker 1: to tell us what twenty twenty four looked like for
Speaker 1: the Epe Canyon project.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a very very strange year.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: The thing about what I feel is a good project,
Speaker 3: not just big just not a Bigfoot project, but just
Speaker 3: any research that you're doing. I don't I don't really
Speaker 3: like to banter around the term science or scientists because
Speaker 3: nobody is a licensed card carrying scientist. You're a chemical
Speaker 3: gist specializing in basalt. You're a marine mammal researcher, you know,
Speaker 3: so you have these specialties. But any good research project
Speaker 3: that you're doing that's worth its salt is never ever done.
Speaker 3: It's always something new. If you think that you have
Speaker 3: come to conclusions and that this research project is done,
Speaker 3: you're kind of making a mistake. You always have to
Speaker 3: leave the door open for something new. So sometimes in
Speaker 3: the Ape Canyon project, I think, yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 3: coming down to the bitter end and there's not that
Speaker 3: much more, and then suddenly, out of the blue, completely unexpected,
Speaker 3: there's something new that shows up. So twenty four was
Speaker 3: a massive year for Ape Canyon and it really opened
Speaker 3: up literally literally opened up a lot on the project.
Speaker 3: Early on, oh, I think it was late twenty three,
Speaker 3: early twenty four. I was messing around the Devil's Magic
Speaker 3: they called the Internet on Facebook, and someone had a
Speaker 3: page about Mount Saint Helens before the eruption in nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty and someone had contributed pictures of the fire lookout
Speaker 3: up on top of Mount Saint Helens being built in
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty four, and there are a couple of photos
Speaker 3: of these rangers, and I look at the description and
Speaker 3: it's like, holy smokes. The two guys and the photos
Speaker 3: are Bill Welch and Jim Huffman, the two rangers who
Speaker 3: were pretty important characters in the entire eight Canyon story.
Speaker 3: There were important characters in the incident. Bill Welch was
Speaker 3: the head ranger at sparent Lake and Jim Huffman was
Speaker 3: the ranger down down south in the next district. They're
Speaker 3: at the Lewis River. So I reached out to the
Speaker 3: Facebook administrator and he put me on contact with the
Speaker 3: woman who contributed these photos. Well, it turns out that
Speaker 3: the women who contributed the photos were Bill Welch's great
Speaker 3: grand niece. It was her grandfather's brother, and so I
Speaker 3: reached out to her and she knew the entire Ape
Speaker 3: Canyon story and she was like, oh, well, I have
Speaker 3: some neat stuff in my family photo album and I'll
Speaker 3: share it with you. And she sent me digitized copies
Speaker 3: basically just like a photograph of the individual photos. And
Speaker 3: these were amazing, amazing photos that had never been seen
Speaker 3: outside of her family. It was just amazing photos. As
Speaker 3: an example, we had before this, we only had one photo,
Speaker 3: one known photo that was published in The Oregonian of
Speaker 3: the cabin in nineteen twenty four, and I'd been looking
Speaker 3: for the original and may have been destroyed, but it's
Speaker 3: just a grainy newspaper photo. It helped a lot in
Speaker 3: the project of finding the cabin site, but it was
Speaker 3: still just kind of a funky, grainy photo. Well man,
Speaker 3: these Sandy Moyer photos were so clear and so amazing
Speaker 3: that actually I sent them to photographer friends just on
Speaker 3: the off chance because it almost looked like AI generated.
Speaker 3: They were so crystal clear, just to plug the North
Speaker 3: American Bigfoot Center. You can see them on display at
Speaker 3: the NABC right now. They were so good. I thought
Speaker 3: they were AI generated, but no, my photographer friends said, no,
Speaker 3: this is the real deal. So we ended up with
Speaker 3: these tremendous, amazing photos of Fred and Leroy. These photos
Speaker 3: were taken about a week after the attack when Fred
Speaker 3: Beck and Leroy Smith went up to the cabin site
Speaker 3: with reporters with Bill Welch and Jim Huffman, and that's
Speaker 3: when the photo so we know exactly when those photos
Speaker 3: were taken, and it was just tremendous. The photos are
Speaker 3: just amazing. The other thing that literally opened up is
Speaker 3: that you and I Cliff went up on the ninety
Speaker 3: ninth anniversary and twenty twenty three, went up on the
Speaker 3: mountain and hung out for two or three days, and
Speaker 3: we were supposed to be joined by three fellows who
Speaker 3: I call the Mitchell Brothers. Actually two of them are
Speaker 3: brothers and one is a cousin. It's Jake, Jared and
Speaker 3: Brayden Mitchell. They were going to join us, but there's
Speaker 3: a mishap and they couldn't join us, and they ended
Speaker 3: up going back up there after we came off the
Speaker 3: mountain about two or three weeks later. I had given
Speaker 3: them rough directions as best directions as I could to
Speaker 3: get to the cabin site, which I don't give out,
Speaker 3: but it's their family story. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: here's how you get to the cabin. Well, these guys
Speaker 3: are young, and they're incredibly energetic. You know, people think
Speaker 3: I'm nuts for what I do, you know, up at
Speaker 3: eight Canyon, but you should see these guys. These guys
Speaker 3: are like leave being down the rock face like Gazelle's
Speaker 3: like antelope and I'm gonna flow down. Wow, geez, you know,
Speaker 3: they're just amazingly energetic. Well, they after they did it
Speaker 3: three times and they couldn't find the cabin site on
Speaker 3: the third try, they finally, in one weekend, they got
Speaker 3: to the they got to the cabin and figured it out. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is that. Well they just went a little bit further.
Speaker 3: Jake went down and Brandon and Jared are at the
Speaker 3: top at the cabin site watching him, and they accidentally
Speaker 3: kicked down just this little pubbly rock and they watched
Speaker 3: this rock just skid her right past Jake into this
Speaker 3: little trough in the rock, and that rock just was
Speaker 3: just pointing and leading him right to the mine. And
Speaker 3: they were able to find the mine on that trip,
Speaker 3: which you and I, Cliff have been down there, and
Speaker 3: you know, we were like within just feet just a
Speaker 3: few feet of the mine entrance. But you can really
Speaker 3: see the Mind entrance unless you're like right on top
Speaker 3: of it, unless you're basically standing right in front of it.
Speaker 3: So that was a that was just a tremendous discovery
Speaker 3: that you know, it's just the gift that keeps on giving. Really,
Speaker 3: there's all this new information coming out all the time.
Speaker 3: So getting getting the Mind has opened up new leads,
Speaker 3: have not not caving leads or underground leads, but have
Speaker 3: opened up new leads to pursue regarding gold and essays
Speaker 3: and and that kind of thing for the whole tip
Speaker 3: of the whole story together.
Speaker 1: Wow, and just how fantastic is it that actual family
Speaker 1: members rediscovered the mind?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, And again it's their story and you know
Speaker 3: the Mitchell guys and I've I've hung out with them
Speaker 3: a lot, and they're not necessarily big footy bigfooters or anything.
Speaker 3: You know, They're not those kind of people and have
Speaker 3: and they're great because they have high end skepticism about
Speaker 3: the whole phenomenon, so they're really not interested. Well they
Speaker 3: are interested in Bigfoot, but they're mainly interested in their
Speaker 3: family history and for them, for the Mitchells to find it,
Speaker 3: the great grandsons of Leroy Perry Smith, that's just fantastic.
Speaker 3: It's their story.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 1: Bobo will be right back after these messages. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: get back to the Abe Canyon thing when we talk
Speaker 1: to the members that during the member episode. And of course,
Speaker 1: if you want to be a member, there's a link
Speaker 1: in the show notes. Check it out. Maybe it's for you,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But other things have been happening as well,
Speaker 1: And I don't know what you have. You know in
Speaker 1: your bonnet about cabins that are attacked by sasquatches, but
Speaker 1: you had this whole project in southern Oregon with Bobo,
Speaker 1: so you guys can talk about that but during that
Speaker 1: adventure you actually had an observation of a sasquat or
Speaker 1: two sasquatches. So fill us in on, you know, set
Speaker 1: up the story there to what were you guys doing
Speaker 1: down there? When can we expect to see the project?
Speaker 1: And what happened? What did you observe?
Speaker 3: Well, it was the strangest five seconds in my life.
Speaker 3: This has been a long term project. I'm calling it
Speaker 3: the Thompson Flat Monster Project. This is in southwest Oregon,
Speaker 3: in Curry County, which is like the most southern southwesterly
Speaker 3: county in Oregon. We're about sixty miles from the California
Speaker 3: border and over the course of golly Man probably about
Speaker 3: forty years or so down in this very very limited
Speaker 3: small area in and around this area called Thompson Flat,
Speaker 3: which is on the south fork of that Sixes River,
Speaker 3: there were multiple sightings and encounters with a sasquatch like
Speaker 3: creature creatures starting around eighteen seventy five eighteen seventy six,
Speaker 3: and these have and quite often going into the nineteen
Speaker 3: teens and early nineteen twenties. And some of these encounters
Speaker 3: were not pleasant. It wasn't just like a fleeting, a
Speaker 3: fleeting silhouette going across the road. Some of them were
Speaker 3: incredibly aggressive. The reason why humans were down there to
Speaker 3: have these encounters is that this was a gold mining area.
Speaker 3: And the first encounter, first encounter in eighteen seventy five
Speaker 3: was with the prospector and Tom said that he was
Speaker 3: picked up by this hairy individual by the scraff in
Speaker 3: the back, and it happened so quickly he couldn't get
Speaker 3: a really good look at it. But Tom was throttled
Speaker 3: and thrown down this hillside and knocked unconscious. His friends
Speaker 3: came up a few days later, found him alive and
Speaker 3: nursed him back to health. Well when Tom he did
Speaker 3: find gold on that trip, and the word got out
Speaker 3: and the whole area became known as the gold Rush
Speaker 3: of Southwest Oregon, and there were many many people who
Speaker 3: went up there to work on gold mines. At first
Speaker 3: they were just doing load claims tunneling into the side
Speaker 3: of the river, and then later they found out it
Speaker 3: was a little bit easier to do plaster locations. So
Speaker 3: at one point in the eighteen eighties there were about
Speaker 3: forty people who lived in small tents and cabins up
Speaker 3: around Thompson Flat on the river. And they were working
Speaker 3: their own individual claims, but then they would come together
Speaker 3: in it's sort of a communal kind of setting and
Speaker 3: share food and share stories and that kind of thing. Well,
Speaker 3: one at a time, over the period of about eighteen months,
Speaker 3: four miners showed up dead, and it was a kind
Speaker 3: of thing of like, oh, well, where's John. He should
Speaker 3: be by now, And they go up to his claim
Speaker 3: and they find John dead. Each each of these four
Speaker 3: individuals either had their heads bashed in or their bodies
Speaker 3: beaten to just throttle and to a pulp. Well, people
Speaker 3: got scared and they started vacating the area quite quickly.
Speaker 3: There was only one fellow named Mike Madigan who was
Speaker 3: living up there at his cabin and his claim. His
Speaker 3: cabin is actually still standing and it's actually in very
Speaker 3: very good shape. He had had a previous encounter where
Speaker 3: he's he was. He had a gold he had a
Speaker 3: golden mine. But he was sort of like the village huntsman,
Speaker 3: and he would go out and hunt and bring back
Speaker 3: food and and trade it for supplies and everything. And
Speaker 3: he was out with his dogs one day and there
Speaker 3: was this large creature. The interesting thing about Thompson Flat
Speaker 3: are the are these encounters keep describing this individual as
Speaker 3: not this monster ten foot tall, bigfoot like character. It's
Speaker 3: like six or seven feet tall kid, just routinely, over
Speaker 3: and over again described as being yellow or blonde in
Speaker 3: hair color. One of Madigan's dogs takes after it, and
Speaker 3: the creature picks up the dog, throbbles it and throws
Speaker 3: it down the hillside. Madigan starts shooting at the individual,
Speaker 3: and the second dog takes off to to the to
Speaker 3: the bigfoot, and the bigfoot picks it up, and Madigan
Speaker 3: shots going into this creature seemingly to be a seeming
Speaker 3: completely unaffected, and so Madigan gets out of there.
Speaker 2: He was famous to the mad what they call the
Speaker 2: Mad Mike whatever, and Grizzly Mike. He he was famous
Speaker 2: for hunting down and killing grizzly bears. And he had
Speaker 2: these the dogs were big, huge stud dogs that he'd
Speaker 2: used to take, you know, corner of the grizzlies. So
Speaker 2: this guy was like he wasn't you know, it wasn't
Speaker 2: like just some minor guy up there. This guy was
Speaker 2: a lot legend, like big fearless stud guy he was.
Speaker 3: And that's why they called him grizz Yeah, that's what
Speaker 3: was his nickname Griz Madigan because he had had he
Speaker 3: had had I had a little little close encounter with
Speaker 3: with a with a bear, with a grizzly that left
Speaker 3: these huge scratch marks. And in the previous issue with
Speaker 3: his bear, the bear had gotten so close that it
Speaker 3: was able to claw his face and he had this
Speaker 3: series of scars across his face. The guy, the guy
Speaker 3: was just like, you know, the guy was a monster outdoorsman.
Speaker 3: He you know, it wasn't You're right, it wasn't just
Speaker 3: some guy out there wandering with his out there with
Speaker 3: his dogs with a baby gun. He really knew what
Speaker 3: he was doing, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a high caliber He had a high
Speaker 2: caliber rifle for grizzlies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, exactly, exactly. Yeah, you bring up a really
Speaker 3: good point, and this this one encounter with his dogs
Speaker 3: was not point blank range, but it was within seventy
Speaker 3: seventy five feet one hundred feet or so of this individual,
Speaker 3: and he was like blasting this big foot like creature.
Speaker 3: But like other encounters, sort of like the Ape Canyon story,
Speaker 3: it just didn't seem to have any effects on the creature.
Speaker 3: The creature didn't care. So Madigan, you know, got back
Speaker 3: later on when this area called Butcher Golds, right next
Speaker 3: to right next to Thompson Flat. Everyone's gone and Madigan's
Speaker 3: up there by himself. He hasn't come back into town
Speaker 3: for a couple of weeks. So his friend Ramsey goes
Speaker 3: up there looking for him, goes up to his cabin,
Speaker 3: he's not there. Goes up up the hill up towards
Speaker 3: his claim and there's this odd sort of pile of
Speaker 3: rocks that seemed to be not naturally placed there, and
Speaker 3: he pulls the rocks away and there's Madigan dead. Ramsey
Speaker 3: recognized him by his gun and his knife. He wasn't
Speaker 3: he wasn't completely decomposed, but he had been there for
Speaker 3: a while oddly enough, seemingly to be buried in sort
Speaker 3: of this fashion who laid on the ground and covered
Speaker 3: with rocks. So there were still some people going up
Speaker 3: there for gold claims in the eighteen nineties late eighteen
Speaker 3: nineties there was a fellow who had a couple of
Speaker 3: claims up there named Harrison, and he had had a friend,
Speaker 3: a family friend, and another family friend helping him work
Speaker 3: on the claim. They had built a cabin at Thompson
Speaker 3: Flat and it was the Harrison cabin. And in nineteen
Speaker 3: oh four, the couple of the guys were in there
Speaker 3: at night and something had come and started beating the cabin.
Speaker 3: You know, it's really shaking it and beating it. They
Speaker 3: go through the door and they see this individual right
Speaker 3: there in front, in front of the door. They take
Speaker 3: shots at it again. The creature goes back into the
Speaker 3: tree line and ends up throwing rocks back at them.
Speaker 3: Just a few days later, one of the same individuals,
Speaker 3: of the same humans, along with two of Harrison's sons
Speaker 3: were in the cabin and the cabin gets attacked again.
Speaker 3: And at this point they were ready and they just
Speaker 3: start coming out of there shooting at this creature. At
Speaker 3: that point, there may have been I have to go
Speaker 3: back and look at it. There may have been more
Speaker 3: than one individual attacking the cabin. There were stories in
Speaker 3: they gave us clues about this cabin because they talked
Speaker 3: about opening the door, and the door faced a certain
Speaker 3: apple tree where this creature or creatures were coming and
Speaker 3: where they had exited. And so naturally, a cabin in
Speaker 3: the woods being attacked by sasquatch gold shooting these creatures
Speaker 3: seemingly to no effect. I was like, well, that's right
Speaker 3: up my alley. That's a crazy thing is that this
Speaker 3: was these had all the ear markings of Abe Canyon,
Speaker 3: but it occurred twenty years before Abe Canyon, hundreds of
Speaker 3: miles away in Oregon, And so I started three researching
Speaker 3: it to death. Given the fact that these encounters took
Speaker 3: place over the period of like thirty or forty years,
Speaker 3: it's going to take me a long long time to
Speaker 3: sift through all of this information. There's a lot more
Speaker 3: document research to do. I feel there's a lot more
Speaker 3: field research to do as well to look for field evidence.
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's that's how that's That was the basic
Speaker 3: story that really grabbed me. And then one day the
Speaker 3: phone rings and it's ring ring ring, and it's like Mark, dude,
Speaker 3: it's Bobo. Hey, I want to make a I want
Speaker 3: to make a documentary on Thompson Flat. And that's basically
Speaker 3: why we were up there work working on working on
Speaker 3: the Thompson Flat Monster project.
Speaker 1: Now, Bobo's in pretty tight lift about this entire project.
Speaker 1: So I know that you guys probably don't want to
Speaker 1: spill all the beans, so to speak. But it was
Speaker 1: during one of these filming sessions that you actually saw
Speaker 1: the Sasquatches, right, That is right.
Speaker 4: The story.
Speaker 3: Is that it was me and Bobo and Rowdy, Kelly
Speaker 3: and two production as Sam and Gordon I believe was
Speaker 3: with us that time, and also our friend Kim Christensen
Speaker 3: who grew up in band and Kim's really cool. She's
Speaker 3: very much a pioneer woman. She stands with like five
Speaker 3: feet and must be all of ninety pounds, and yeah,
Speaker 3: she's a true pioneer. She grew up without electricity for
Speaker 3: the longest time with her mom and dad, worked in
Speaker 3: the cranberry farms and stuff, and knows the woods really well.
Speaker 3: So we're done with the filming project. And by the way,
Speaker 3: at that d during that trip we ended up finding
Speaker 3: the location of the nineteen oh four Harrison cabin as well.
Speaker 3: It worked out really well, like Bobo said, when we
Speaker 3: were able to determine the actual cabin, Bobo was like,
Speaker 3: that almost seems staged because we found it so easily.
Speaker 3: But we're all done filming. We're kind of breaking up.
Speaker 3: The whole plan was was that Rowdy and Bobo and
Speaker 3: I had more filming to do at a local newspaper
Speaker 3: office in Myrtle Point, Oregon, and we're all going to
Speaker 3: drive down and we're going to meet on the highway
Speaker 3: and where we can get some reception and figure out
Speaker 3: where we're going to stay that night. So Sam and Gordon,
Speaker 3: the two production assistants, left. They went back home to
Speaker 3: northern California around Humboldt, and Kim is like, okay, well,
Speaker 3: I'm going to take off too. I'll see you guys later.
Speaker 3: And Bobo and Rowdy just had to load up the
Speaker 3: ATVs onto the trailer. So Kim takes off and I say, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm going to meet you guys down at the highway.
Speaker 3: And I take off too, and I'm driving and these
Speaker 3: four service roads are basically one lane roads, maybe a
Speaker 3: lane and a half, and up ahead. This is in
Speaker 3: the afternoon in November. Up ahead, I see Kim pulled
Speaker 3: off to the side and I stop and it's everything okay,
Speaker 3: and she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm just checking
Speaker 3: the map to go and visit a lake where Kim
Speaker 3: had had some encounters up there as well. She wanted
Speaker 3: to revisit the lake and was checking out the map
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, okay, see yeah. So I'm driving
Speaker 3: and this is a very very wooded area. Some of
Speaker 3: it had been logged previously, but not a lot because
Speaker 3: it's just very, very steep and rugged. It's sort of
Speaker 3: like a mini Rockies. So what I'm saying is is
Speaker 3: getting dark. It's about five o'clock at night in November,
Speaker 3: and the trees are around me, and so I'm driving
Speaker 3: maybe like twenty five thirty miles an hour, and I
Speaker 3: have my headlights on, and I have my brights on,
Speaker 3: and I have drives because I kind of drive like
Speaker 3: an old lady. And once in a while behind me,
Speaker 3: maybe about a mile or two, I can see Kim's
Speaker 3: headlights behind me, and I round around a curve and
Speaker 3: in front of me is the road has a slight
Speaker 3: incline and before it dips down kind of crests on
Speaker 3: a hill, and it's about two hundred two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty feet in front of me. And the cross section
Speaker 3: that we're talking about about the road is that down
Speaker 3: on my left it goes steep steep down into the
Speaker 3: riverbed of the sixs River flat roadbed, and then off
Speaker 3: to my rights incredibly steep going back up the hill
Speaker 3: to my right. When I round around the corner, up
Speaker 3: in front of me maybe about two hundred feet is
Speaker 3: this individual that's moving and when my headlights hit it,
Speaker 3: it pauses briefly and faces me face on about two
Speaker 3: hundred feet and my first thought is, you know, who's
Speaker 3: playing in the middle of the road at night. And
Speaker 3: it was obviously, you know, it was obviously a bipedal
Speaker 3: human like character, arms and legs and head and all that.
Speaker 3: And the split second other thought is like, why is
Speaker 3: it wearing a fireman's outfit? Because it was big, bulky,
Speaker 3: like a firefighter's outfit to actually fight fires. It was
Speaker 3: bulky arms, bulky legs, big, There was hardly any neck
Speaker 3: going on, you know, around its neck, and that's why
Speaker 3: I thought it was somebody wearing a fireman's outfit. Also,
Speaker 3: the reason why is because it was sort of beige,
Speaker 3: dirty blonde in color.
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Speaker 3: This individual pauses for a quick second and takes a
Speaker 3: step to continue to go uphill. The individual had come
Speaker 3: out of the river bed when it had hit the
Speaker 3: road coincidentally when I was rounding around, and it pauses
Speaker 3: for a second, keeps on going, but before it keeps
Speaker 3: on going. It turns and looks back into the woods
Speaker 3: from where it had come from. When it did that,
Speaker 3: there was a second individual coming from a crouching position
Speaker 3: onto the road, and these two just start booking it.
Speaker 3: They just are hauling it, and they're so incredibly fast.
Speaker 3: But also their movements were like a movement that I
Speaker 3: had never seen before. It was, you know, it was
Speaker 3: just like a normal like a human jogging in a
Speaker 3: runner's fashion with bent arms, and there was running like that,
Speaker 3: but it was fast, incredibly fast, jerky movements like it
Speaker 3: reminded me of of seeing five year old or six
Speaker 3: year olds on the playground in a fast game of chase.
Speaker 3: It was that kind of high energy, or like watching
Speaker 3: an insect, like a dragonfly take off. It was incredibly
Speaker 3: incredibly quick, jerky movements I had at this point. I
Speaker 3: had kept on driving, but I was slowing down. Where
Speaker 3: they came onto the road, I wasn't exactly sure, But
Speaker 3: where they exited the road I was. I was certain
Speaker 3: where they exited because I was within fifty feet of
Speaker 3: the time. The second individual went up the hill like
Speaker 3: in a flash. It was short hair, very short hair,
Speaker 3: not as short as like a like a Docson like
Speaker 3: or like soci the dog. It wasn't it wasn't that short,
Speaker 3: but it was short ish and it was yeah, a yellow,
Speaker 3: dirty blonde. And they just banned they could cook. They
Speaker 3: just like jump up the hill. It was amazing. Kathy's
Speaker 3: screen has a story of her encounter where she described
Speaker 3: it almost like this big fat bungee cord jump where
Speaker 3: its just buoying and it went up the hill. And
Speaker 3: that's the way they were. These two just flew up
Speaker 3: the hill practically, and there was no hair around the face,
Speaker 3: heavy brow and I almost keep going, but just in
Speaker 3: a split I decided to slam it on the brakes,
Speaker 3: put the car in park, and I jumped out of
Speaker 3: the car, and I'm looking up the hill and the
Speaker 3: only sound is my car engine, and I can hear
Speaker 3: the river behind me down and down the hill, and
Speaker 3: looking up the hill in the dark, I'm going to
Speaker 3: estimate that these guys may have been like seventy five
Speaker 3: one hundred feet up the hill. But the thing that
Speaker 3: totally freaked me out was that I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 3: I didn't hear any brush, I didn't hear any crunching,
Speaker 3: I didn't hear anything at all, and my brain flight
Speaker 3: or fight figured out that whatever I had seen was
Speaker 3: probably standing there looking at me, and all of this
Speaker 3: heat started raising up my neck and my ears started
Speaker 3: getting really hot, and I was getting I was getting
Speaker 3: very very disturbed and wigged out, not only by their
Speaker 3: movements and what they saw, but I was just assuming
Speaker 3: that they were up there, like back right there in
Speaker 3: the dark, checking me out too. So Kim Kim comes
Speaker 3: up by that point, and I was like, something across
Speaker 3: the road, something across the road, and Kim gets all
Speaker 3: excited and stuff, and Kim Kim is great. She's really
Speaker 3: new to like big footing at the time and very
Speaker 3: enthusiastic and everything is bigfoot right, and she's like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, and I tell her the whole story and everything.
Speaker 3: Bobo at that point had come in and parked behind
Speaker 3: Kim and I go up and you're like, Bobo, You're like, so,
Speaker 3: what is there an accident? I'm like, uh no, was
Speaker 3: there a flat tire? No, something cross the road? And
Speaker 3: you were like you saw a squatch And I like,
Speaker 3: hold up a couple of fingers and I'm like I
Speaker 3: saw two, and you're like, holy crap, and go back
Speaker 3: and go to Rowdy's car right behind you and Rowdy
Speaker 3: and you're like, tell Rowdy. It's like, yeah, I squatched
Speaker 3: us cross the road. And Rowdy was like, you know
Speaker 3: who saw it, Kim, and you were like, no, dude,
Speaker 3: it was Mark and it was Mark.
Speaker 4: Holy crap.
Speaker 3: And so the good thing is is that we're up
Speaker 3: there filming. Rowdy had his camera and it's Mike and
Speaker 3: he throws the mic on me and he starts the
Speaker 3: camera and he's like, start talking.
Speaker 4: And I was there able.
Speaker 3: To give my whole story, my whole experience, like within
Speaker 3: like about four minutes or five minutes after it happened.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I haven't seen the footage yet,
Speaker 3: but I know I was just babbling.
Speaker 4: I would I could. I could hardly talk.
Speaker 2: Man, you're not that good of an actor. I mean,
Speaker 2: you were blown away. And that was one thing I
Speaker 2: was gonna say is that if you were like, if
Speaker 2: you were to walk this road and look for crossing points,
Speaker 2: like where were stuff like that cross you would not
Speaker 2: pick this place. I mean it was like basically cliffs.
Speaker 2: It was just almost vertical. It was crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredibly incredibly steep, and so where they had
Speaker 3: exited the road. I was certain of where they exited
Speaker 3: the road. And it's pretty dark at that point, and
Speaker 3: three of us are on the edge of gravel. And
Speaker 3: if you were standing on the edge of gravel, and
Speaker 3: there's a slight dirt ditch, and then it starts going
Speaker 3: up really steeply, just for a few feet up to
Speaker 3: this rock escarpment. There's like an exposed hunk of rock
Speaker 3: that's like ten or twelve feet tall. And we all
Speaker 3: saw it at the same time. The three of us,
Speaker 3: Bobo and Kim and I were standing on the edge
Speaker 3: of gravel and Rowdy's up there with his camera and
Speaker 3: it's really really right light, and he's scanning this rock,
Speaker 3: and right at the top of the rock, Rowdy's light
Speaker 3: hits it, and we all see it at the same time.
Speaker 3: At the top of the rock. There's like detritus and
Speaker 3: moss and plants and stuff at the at the top
Speaker 3: of this sort of cliff, this small little cliff, and
Speaker 3: we all saw it at the same time. Where there
Speaker 3: was about a four or five inch fresh scrape right
Speaker 3: at the top, right where these two individuals left and
Speaker 3: went up the hill. And uh, it was if something
Speaker 3: was trying to gain a handhold or a foothold, and
Speaker 3: the moss or plants slipped and it was just this
Speaker 3: brand new, fresh scrape.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they launched up there like they had to
Speaker 2: have such incredible vertical jumping ability because they didn't leave
Speaker 2: a lot of evidence like where they were when we
Speaker 2: when we went through that, I like it was like
Speaker 2: a blind guy could have followed us, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we went We went back up there the
Speaker 4: next day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's us all go home, which we got
Speaker 2: hotels and stayed the night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Yeah, So we went back the next day
Speaker 3: and it was good because Rowdy got in my car
Speaker 3: and Bobo, you were up on the road where I
Speaker 3: saw these two individuals, and we kind of recreated it
Speaker 3: and were able to get like a scale for how
Speaker 3: tall these two were. And like the tallest one, judging
Speaker 3: by you, the tallest one may have been like six
Speaker 3: and a half seven feet tall. The second one, which
Speaker 3: was a little bit shorter, couldn't have been over six
Speaker 3: and a half. Maybe it was six feet taller. So
Speaker 3: and we scrambled up that hill a little bit where
Speaker 3: they had gone up the hill, which was not easy
Speaker 3: to do, and found a few impressions. Nothing really castable
Speaker 3: or anything like that, because it was like really really steep,
Speaker 3: but it looked as if something had been up there,
Speaker 3: and you know there was. There was the one thing
Speaker 3: about that area, because it's so steep, somebody individual can
Speaker 3: be very very close to you when you're on the
Speaker 3: road and like within seventy five one hundred feet, but
Speaker 3: you wouldn't know it. And it can there. You can
Speaker 3: we were up there, you could like have this perfect
Speaker 3: view of humans on the road looking down, but the
Speaker 3: humans would never know it. There was a strange thing
Speaker 3: that happened to us during that trip where something did
Speaker 3: cross the road where we heard it. We heard the
Speaker 3: footsteps crossing the gravel. This was about a night or
Speaker 3: two before. In the middle of the night, some of
Speaker 3: us heard this big sort of behind us, this big
Speaker 3: brush rush. Something had took taken off headed up the
Speaker 3: hill in the brush. And so we went back again
Speaker 3: on that on that incident. We went back the next
Speaker 3: day and I had climbed up to where all it
Speaker 3: was kind of figured where we heard that noise in
Speaker 3: the brush, and I found this bench, this small little
Speaker 3: bench where I could stand and I could I was
Speaker 3: looking at everybody right down on the road. It was
Speaker 3: like this perfect vantage point to take to take a
Speaker 3: look at us. So anyway, it's incredibly steep, steep, rugged
Speaker 3: territory out there, for sure.
Speaker 2: There were several of several of them came around us
Speaker 2: that night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Kim brought us to that swept to give Kim a
Speaker 2: little shout out. And then I was just going to
Speaker 2: correct from earlier. Gordon and Sam weren't production assistants. Border
Speaker 2: was the sound and Sam was camera.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, thanks man, Okay, I didn't know. I'm not a
Speaker 3: film guy. You're the TV guy. Hell, I don't know
Speaker 3: what a production assistant is.
Speaker 1: What we call him television bobes Hollywood bobo.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean when we were down there on
Speaker 3: the gravel road, when all of us were down there,
Speaker 3: not when I had seen those two individuals. It's like
Speaker 3: looking down into that into that lake, into that lake
Speaker 3: where where Kim had had encounters years before, and we
Speaker 3: can't see the lake, but we know it's down there
Speaker 3: in sort of a small valley and on one side
Speaker 3: of the lake is a hilly ridge, you know, because
Speaker 3: the lake is at the bottom in this valley. On
Speaker 3: one side of the lake is have a little bit
Speaker 3: of a ridge and on this on the other side
Speaker 3: of the lake is another ridge. And it was almost
Speaker 3: like there is something, some things down there messing with us,
Speaker 3: because on one ridge we could hear a knock and
Speaker 3: we all run down the road and we listen and
Speaker 3: we listen, and then from the other ridge we could
Speaker 3: hear this whoop and we all run over there, and
Speaker 3: it was almost like they're just having fun watching us
Speaker 3: back and running back and forth, running back and forth
Speaker 3: on the on the road.
Speaker 2: We're going black lights out. So because we didn't want
Speaker 2: to stay, we were trying to catch them on THRM
Speaker 2: and like that's what I was used to kill it
Speaker 2: about five big though, was bringing out those TV cameras
Speaker 2: with the infrared spotlights on. Like I always figured like
Speaker 2: that's just like you such a bitter shot if we
Speaker 2: just like I was like, you know, we're not trying
Speaker 2: to film us, We're trying to film big fast. I
Speaker 2: was always the point when we were in the field
Speaker 2: that like at night was not filming us getting our reactions,
Speaker 2: but it was us trying to actually get something on
Speaker 2: film our best chance. So yeah, that unfortunately, Yah that's
Speaker 2: one of the scenes that the audio just did not
Speaker 2: come out very well, but it was. It was pretty
Speaker 2: amazing to be And Larry was there that night, Larry,
Speaker 2: the guy that passed away, Larry was there also, and
Speaker 2: he was I mean, this guy's Larry was seventy year old,
Speaker 2: just a stud. I mean, he was the fittest guy
Speaker 2: there for sure.
Speaker 4: Oh he was man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. He grew up his whole life out in
Speaker 2: southern Oregon northern northern California, like on the border areas
Speaker 2: up there. His father was a miner and he grew
Speaker 2: up being a logger and a minor. He's you know,
Speaker 2: expllert hunter, outdoorsman, tracker, and he was blown away.
Speaker 3: He was also a long distance runner, I found out
Speaker 3: from his wife. Yeah, he was a tree faller. I
Speaker 3: had gotten a picture from Larry right after that trip.
Speaker 3: He sent me a picture and you have this huge
Speaker 3: tall tree and god, it must be like, you know,
Speaker 3: one hundred feet tall, and there's this little little thing
Speaker 3: in the tree and it's Larry and he's up there.
Speaker 4: He's climbing.
Speaker 3: He's climbed this tree to limit and I mean the
Speaker 3: guy was just a monster shape.
Speaker 4: He really was. I don't know how old that. Larry
Speaker 4: was like seventy something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was blown away because you had given
Speaker 3: me the therm and you're like, mark, here, hold this
Speaker 3: and pointed up the road and get it.
Speaker 2: Get it.
Speaker 3: Went acrosses the road and I stood there for a
Speaker 3: long time and I didn't get anything, and so I
Speaker 3: turned around. And as soon as I turned around and
Speaker 3: started walking, Larry said, that's when he heard three steps
Speaker 3: crossing the road right where the term was pointed. But
Speaker 3: I had just turned around and started walking down towards
Speaker 3: you guys, And that's when he said, across the road
Speaker 3: had gone up the hill and was apparently standing up
Speaker 3: there watching us in the woods.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they because we heard them coming from down below,
Speaker 2: like they're down the noises started down the lake and
Speaker 2: it was raining. I mean we went up there like
Speaker 2: it was massive storms because that winter was horrible for storms,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, my tent, Like I'm still frustrated about that.
Speaker 2: Remember when I started up my tent in that storm
Speaker 2: and it snapped it like the big pole like in
Speaker 2: the top.
Speaker 4: It was awful. It was nerd there, man, I know.
Speaker 3: We get up there the first night and we tried
Speaker 3: to build a fire and there was just no way,
Speaker 3: so we just climbed in the car and went to sleep.
Speaker 4: It was it was bad.
Speaker 3: It was really windy and it was pouring rain. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's Pacific Northwest rainforest.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: This is about like ten miles fifteen miles from the coast,
Speaker 3: so we're dealing with coastal storms up there, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 4: So it was bad.
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Speaker 3: This is this is why, this is why the Thompson
Speaker 3: Flat Monster project is not done. But that that thing
Speaker 3: that happened to us went across the road behind us,
Speaker 3: behind me. It really opened up like a new project
Speaker 3: for me down there, because when we went back the
Speaker 3: next day in the daytime, Browdie was checking out the
Speaker 3: aerial photos on his phone and he's like, look, look, look,
Speaker 3: so if you if you are at the lake and
Speaker 3: you're sort of headed easterly, you get to that road
Speaker 3: where we were standing, and you keep on going east
Speaker 3: headed up the hill, and you end up on this
Speaker 3: ridge line, this ridge line that runs north and south
Speaker 3: with no roads, no nothing, and this ridge line that
Speaker 3: runs north and south on the north end of the ridge.
Speaker 3: That's where we were camped and that's where all the
Speaker 3: Thompson flat Act toy happened. But if you follow that
Speaker 3: ridge line headed south for about two or three miles
Speaker 3: or so, bam when it crosses when it crosses the road,
Speaker 3: that's where I had my sighting with the two individuals.
Speaker 3: So I'm tending to think that this wooded ridge, which
Speaker 3: is quite massive and dense and really really rugged, I
Speaker 3: think that's their highway. I think that's where they're hanging
Speaker 3: out up above, you know, looking down. So it really
Speaker 3: got me going where I'm going to be headed back
Speaker 3: down there and see if I can plow my way
Speaker 3: through the woods and hang out there a lot more,
Speaker 3: because it made what Routy showed me suddenly made a
Speaker 3: whole heck of a lot of sense, you know.
Speaker 2: I So to add back to your sighting, was when
Speaker 2: the two cross the road, you got this was your impression,
Speaker 2: I remember you saying, because we got your on camera
Speaker 2: saying it was that it looked like a big brother
Speaker 2: and a little brother, Like how I feel like they'll
Speaker 2: run into each other and like kind of push each other.
Speaker 2: And then you got that kind of impression absolutely.
Speaker 3: You know, it was a big brother little brother, male
Speaker 3: and female something like that, because there were two individuals,
Speaker 3: one smaller than the other, and just by their shall
Speaker 3: I say behavior, they were obviously together as some sort
Speaker 3: of unit. Because the first one saw me, saw my headlights, stopped,
Speaker 3: turned and paused briefly, while the second individual came up
Speaker 3: and joined it, and they were both both hauling it together.
Speaker 3: You know, they were like you and I running a marathon.
Speaker 3: It's like they were basically shoulder to shoulder pretty much.
Speaker 3: So because of that behavior, it was almost like the
Speaker 3: first one was looking out for the second one and
Speaker 3: ensuring that it was going to join them where they
Speaker 3: could exit the road together in some sort of social
Speaker 3: dynamic in a way.
Speaker 1: What's the story with the project? I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: everybody would want to know about this, everybody would like
Speaker 1: to see it. Is there any news on any progress
Speaker 1: with this documentary being released?
Speaker 2: Well, we went. I went when I was up at
Speaker 2: your place. When I went up there with the whole
Speaker 2: trailer deal, I was went over to Flippies And this
Speaker 2: is the craziest part. Flippy Salm and I all have
Speaker 2: hard drive copies of we recaught, We copied and recopied things,
Speaker 2: like we had multiple We had like five hard drives
Speaker 2: with the footage on them. And the craziest thing is
Speaker 2: like it just like it disappeared, like certain segments disappeared
Speaker 2: on on all the hard drives. Like we just were
Speaker 2: like it was just nuts and then it wasn't like
Speaker 2: like tons of it, but there was like certain key
Speaker 2: points and then there was other parts where the audio
Speaker 2: was really bad or like the camera. Well. The big
Speaker 2: problem too, is that we had guys we had three
Speaker 2: or four editors working on all different platforms like app
Speaker 2: like you know, Apple and PC and one guy's using Adobe,
Speaker 2: the guys using Renaissance, you know, and that seemed to
Speaker 2: like cause a lot of a lot of issues. So
Speaker 2: we had to go back through and then there was
Speaker 2: partsy missing because I ended up going up there like
Speaker 2: five times total, you did. Yeah, we're trying to get stuff.
Speaker 2: We had to reshoot some stuff, and now we got
Speaker 2: to reshoot more stuff. And that was that was the
Speaker 2: problem with that whole thing. Was like when those the
Speaker 2: pandemics hit, like the like all those officers were closed.
Speaker 2: You couldn't go in, like we needed to shoot stuff.
Speaker 2: With the Forest Service because like I went through like
Speaker 2: a I mean, I was really trying to get this
Speaker 2: thing together. They wouldn't give any permits because of COVID.
Speaker 2: Like we're out in the middle of the woods, they're
Speaker 2: not going to give us permits. And then uh, as people,
Speaker 2: I'm sure our listeners are well aware, prices on everything
Speaker 2: went up like double so the budget got eaten up
Speaker 2: real quick, like uh, you know, just fuel, and I
Speaker 2: spent over like geese, like thirteen grand on it. Like
Speaker 2: with everything said and done, and it's totally salvageable. And
Speaker 2: there's been a couple of things income generating things I
Speaker 2: had on in the on the skillet, and there's one
Speaker 2: that's that's cooking right now and I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: it's coming through, but I'm hoping not too far into
Speaker 2: the summer. It's looking more like juneish is as you
Speaker 2: can get paid out on that hopefully.
Speaker 1: So does it come down to money? And basically is
Speaker 1: at it just like you need time and money to
Speaker 1: go reshoot a bunch of stuff that that was lost
Speaker 1: or corrupted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and stuff we didn't even lost some
Speaker 2: stuff we have. It's just that the sound is so
Speaker 2: like like this sound this sounds everything, you know, like
Speaker 2: in a lot of like those not everything, but it's
Speaker 2: it's a big factor. We just it's such a bitch
Speaker 2: and story and marks such a great character like we
Speaker 2: went up and filled with those family. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: it's the bones of it are awesome. I mean, like
Speaker 2: just you've heard what's going on. Just what you heard
Speaker 2: today like gives you a good look at it. And
Speaker 2: it was my first I'm doing stuff like this, so
Speaker 2: obviously I've made a bunch of mistakes. Goes without saying,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean it's it's we got we got
Speaker 2: the bones there. I got to say it. It's a
Speaker 2: lot more difficult to put a film together than it
Speaker 2: would seem.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's true. But yeah, I mean, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: you explained a lot to me because I was ready
Speaker 3: to like buy the project for it from you.
Speaker 4: It's like, God, let's get this thing done.
Speaker 3: But it sounds like, you know, you're in the middle
Speaker 3: of like ironing out like a lot of wrinkles too,
Speaker 3: Like you said, you know, stuff on different platforms and
Speaker 3: dealing with you know, dealing with recreating audio or you
Speaker 3: know that that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: But you're right.
Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't like my first film project.
Speaker 3: But you know, I had had a little bit of experience,
Speaker 3: but you've had a lot more experience than I have.
Speaker 3: But I got to say, the stuff that we shot
Speaker 3: up there was just incredible. It's a great, great story,
Speaker 3: it's a great project. But some of the stuff that
Speaker 3: that I know that was shot, it's just amazing. It's
Speaker 3: putting it all together. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's gonna come together. It's gonna be it's
Speaker 2: gonna be awesome. But yeah, I was hoping someone with
Speaker 2: big bucks that wants to go out and have fun
Speaker 2: and go out to like a real squatchy spot might
Speaker 2: want to, like, you know, just throw in on it
Speaker 2: to get it, get it finished up, and have a
Speaker 2: good time hanging out with me, Mark and finish up.
Speaker 2: We need to finish up.
Speaker 1: Attention potential sugar daddies.
Speaker 3: Pretty much or sugar mama's. Yeah, well, hell I'll be.
Speaker 3: I'll be the sugar daddy if I can afford it. Man,
Speaker 3: just tell me what you need and I'll chip in.
Speaker 3: I mean, i'll be I'll be the second executive producer.
Speaker 3: If we need to because it's like such a good
Speaker 3: story and honestly just going up there again and to
Speaker 3: you know, reshoot whatever we need to reshoot. I need
Speaker 3: to go up there anyway to continue on the project,
Speaker 3: you know, the Thompson Flat historical stuff. I need to
Speaker 3: go up there anyway. And the area is just gorgeous.
Speaker 3: I mean, the area is really really beautiful up there
Speaker 3: at the very top where we're camping and you have
Speaker 3: to go down into the into the river of the
Speaker 3: South Fork of the Sixes. This place had never been
Speaker 3: I know, that area had never been logged because it's
Speaker 3: just too damn steep. You're going basically straight down for
Speaker 3: about a mile and a half and with no like
Speaker 3: switchbacks or anything in this huge area of old growth.
Speaker 3: It's just gorgeous out there. It's amazing. And you get
Speaker 3: down to the bottom and you're you're in You're in
Speaker 3: living history. You're in living history of the of the
Speaker 3: eighteen eighties and eighteen nineties of these guys with apparently
Speaker 3: mules or something, took down these massive hunks of metal
Speaker 3: to deal with the hydraul hydraulogy hydraulics projects for their
Speaker 3: plaster mines and stuff. There's a couple of old cabins
Speaker 3: from the eighteen nineties down there. It's it's it's a
Speaker 3: gorgeous place. I'm in love with it. I could I
Speaker 3: could live down there.
Speaker 4: It's great.
Speaker 2: It's it is beautiful. Yeah, it's it's rugged, man like.
Speaker 2: Going in and out of that place is brutal. It's
Speaker 2: a it's quite a high. It gives you social respect
Speaker 2: for those I mean I already had it, but just
Speaker 2: you know those miners early in Timber guys, what they
Speaker 2: dealt with is like, oh my god, they packed all
Speaker 2: because you see these old you know, mining pieces of
Speaker 2: like this all came in by wheelbarrow and donkeys and
Speaker 2: mules and horses, you know, and people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and these these individual items, even if you're able
Speaker 3: to for all the hydraulics and stuff, even if you're
Speaker 3: able to unbolt them, I wouldn't be able to pick
Speaker 3: them up. I mean these are massive cast iron man
Speaker 3: huge hunts of stuff. It's amazing the development that they
Speaker 3: put into this place for mining in the eighteen eighties
Speaker 3: and eighteen nineties. And then when these four guys you know,
Speaker 3: shut up dead and there are a lot of people
Speaker 3: are having really aggressive encounters with these sasquatchs tearing up
Speaker 3: their camps and everything. I forget it, you know, it's
Speaker 3: just like Ape Canyon, like, forget it, We're out of here,
Speaker 3: and it never took off again. The gold, the gold operation,
Speaker 3: they just abandoned at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in each one of those circumstances, they left a
Speaker 1: small fortune behind, whether it's a producing gold mine as
Speaker 1: an Ape Canyon, or this massive amount of infrastructure down below,
Speaker 1: because you know, steel's not cheap, you know, for anybody,
Speaker 1: you know, and putting that much effort in time, that's
Speaker 1: a small fortune.
Speaker 4: For these people. That's right.
Speaker 1: Everything about this is fascinating just because it's it lives
Speaker 1: in the shadow of the Ape Canyon events, but it's
Speaker 1: still equally weird and spooky, and there's bigfoots and cabins
Speaker 1: and mines and all that sort of stuff involved. I
Speaker 1: think it's of interest that all the early reports that
Speaker 1: Mark mentioned earlier, the animals were a blondish color, and
Speaker 1: sure enough, that's the color of the animals that Mark saw,
Speaker 1: So there might you might be looking at the same
Speaker 1: gene pool just one hundred years later.
Speaker 2: We got three people in the last twenty years that
Speaker 2: have seen blondish gold ones there, you know, within a
Speaker 2: five mile radius.
Speaker 3: Also, it's true because right after we left, maybe about
Speaker 3: two well it was in springtime. If I remember, Kim
Speaker 3: had been talking. Kim Christensen had been talking with a
Speaker 3: friend and her friend had been up there around the
Speaker 3: Elk River on the other side of Thompson Flat and
Speaker 3: saw an individual And with that, Kim said, without any prompting,
Speaker 3: her friend said exactly that, Yeah, it was sort of
Speaker 3: yellow blonde. So we're talking about a regional variant, if
Speaker 3: you will, that's kind of limited to that, to that
Speaker 3: area that keeps all the reports keep coming back yellow blonde.
Speaker 4: It's interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, we have a lot more conversation to do. Let's
Speaker 1: move over to the members section. But before we do,
Speaker 1: I just want to remind everybody that squatch Fest is
Speaker 1: coming up. Matt pro is going to be speaking. I'm
Speaker 1: going to be speaking, and of course, Mark, you're going
Speaker 1: to be there, right or you're not speaking this year,
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 4: No, I'm not I'm not speaking this year.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I am planning to be there. Our good
Speaker 3: friend Eli from Small Town Monsters has some business to
Speaker 3: do there, so we're all planning. Not Matt's going to
Speaker 3: be there. You're going to be there, so we're all
Speaker 3: planning to meet there and kel so.
Speaker 1: Oh fantastic. Well, I look forward to seeing you in
Speaker 1: person once again always yep. All right, Bob, but why
Speaker 1: don't you pull us out of this one and we'll
Speaker 1: go jump into the members episode for those folks, And
Speaker 1: if you want to be a member again, hit that
Speaker 1: on the link down of the show notes. It's five
Speaker 1: bucks a month. You get this episode, regular sort of episodes,
Speaker 1: completely commercial free, and of course you get an extra
Speaker 1: about an hour content every single week.
Speaker 2: All right, Mark, thanks so much for joining us. Thank
Speaker 2: you listeners for joining us. We're gonna continue this over
Speaker 2: with the Patreon section for the members. Yeah, so Mark Bursel,
Speaker 2: the great Mark Burcell here thanks to a lot. Mark
Speaker 2: takes fun to know one. Thanks Bobs Man. Now, welcome
Speaker 2: back every week. I love you guys, all right, so
Speaker 2: hopefully we have some good news with you on the
Speaker 2: updates for the movie this summer. All right, So all right, folks,
Speaker 2: you know to do it until next week. Keep it squatchy.
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