WEBVTT

1
00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:16.280
<v Speaker 1>This episode maintained content of a graphic nature, including descriptions

2
00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:20.879
<v Speaker 1>of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.

3
00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:23.399
<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised.

4
00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:38.079
<v Speaker 2>Hi I'm Shannon. Hi I'm Tanya, and we are Crimes

5
00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:47.159
<v Speaker 2>and Consequences, a hardcore true crime podcast. Asanya ain Shannon,

6
00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:50.759
<v Speaker 2>how are you? I am doing well? How about yourself?

7
00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:52.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing good?

8
00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:56.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, live in a dream like I told you earlier.

9
00:00:56.439 --> 00:00:59.280
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's what we do. That's how we do,

10
00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:03.759
<v Speaker 2>how we do. And gosh at our weather update here

11
00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:09.719
<v Speaker 2>in Michigan. Would those with the cold and constant rain? Oh,

12
00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:14.120
<v Speaker 2>it storms later? It was terrible driving this morning, and it.

13
00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Was thunderstorming today, and it was snowing like.

14
00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Were thunder snow? Yes, thunder snow. I forgot there was

15
00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:25.439
<v Speaker 2>a name for it. Yeah. And there was some frozen hail,

16
00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:28.959
<v Speaker 2>small small bits of hail. Came home. I had taken

17
00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:34.120
<v Speaker 2>body to get groomed, to get his hand cut, and

18
00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:41.680
<v Speaker 2>those streets were atrocious, my mother would say, atrocious, atrocious,

19
00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:45.840
<v Speaker 2>speaking about atrocities. I got a story for us.

20
00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh that was a good lead in Thank you, You're welcome.

21
00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even plant it, just happened. There's God showing off.

22
00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.000
<v Speaker 2>But are you ready? This one comes from the Russia

23
00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Ukraine ear which is a hot topic. Oh yeah, but

24
00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.200
<v Speaker 2>this is something completely different and horrific happened years back.

25
00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm breathing myself, all right, and just to let everybody know,

26
00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:14.840
<v Speaker 2>wherever you're at, go ahead and hit subscribe and you'll

27
00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:20.360
<v Speaker 2>never miss us. So this week it's Andre Romanovitch Chikatilo,

28
00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:24.039
<v Speaker 2>also known as the Red Ripper, the Butcher of Rostoff,

29
00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:28.199
<v Speaker 2>the rostaf Ripper, the Forest strip Killer, the Mad Beast,

30
00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:33.039
<v Speaker 2>the Mistake of Nature killer X, and the shelter belt Killer.

31
00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Andre was one sick effort, to say the least.

32
00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:40.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah sounds like it. With all those nicknames, oh.

33
00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.599
<v Speaker 2>My goodness, he earned every single one of them. This

34
00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:48.879
<v Speaker 2>guy is the Boogeyman, definitely, So Andre Kikatilo. He was

35
00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:53.639
<v Speaker 2>born October sixteenth, nineteen thirty six, Libra. He was born

36
00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:58.120
<v Speaker 2>in a small Ukrainian farming village of Yeah Blutchnee. So

37
00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:01.039
<v Speaker 2>let me set the scene for Night teen thirty six

38
00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:05.479
<v Speaker 2>Yablutschnee farming village. During the time of Andre's birth, there

39
00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.560
<v Speaker 2>was a huge famine taking place and people were starving

40
00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.479
<v Speaker 2>Joseph Stalin was in power at the time, and he

41
00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:17.719
<v Speaker 2>had put into effect a period of forced collectivization. That's

42
00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:21.159
<v Speaker 2>where farmers were forced to hand in their entire crop

43
00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:25.840
<v Speaker 2>for statewide distribution. Okay, yeah, and these farmers, they are

44
00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:30.240
<v Speaker 2>poor farmers. You're not talking about acridges. You are talking

45
00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.599
<v Speaker 2>about families that live in huts and have a small

46
00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:35.319
<v Speaker 2>lot of land. Right.

47
00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:36.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

48
00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:39.879
<v Speaker 2>Those who didn't oblige, they were wiped out. Hundreds and

49
00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:44.400
<v Speaker 2>thousands of women, children, and the elderly were packed up

50
00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:48.400
<v Speaker 2>like cargo meat inside of unheated railway wagons and they

51
00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:51.560
<v Speaker 2>were set off to die. Oh. Those who didn't go,

52
00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:55.240
<v Speaker 2>they stayed back to fight, which led Stalin to send

53
00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:58.000
<v Speaker 2>in units of the Red Army and they were backed

54
00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:01.280
<v Speaker 2>by air power to subdue his own people. The ones

55
00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:04.639
<v Speaker 2>that chose not to fight decided to make a statement. Instead,

56
00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:08.439
<v Speaker 2>they killed their own cows, pigs, and sheep. As a result,

57
00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.479
<v Speaker 2>as many as one hundred and fifty million head of

58
00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:17.920
<v Speaker 2>cattle were destroyed, which he massively hit the country's food supplies. Wow,

59
00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:21.759
<v Speaker 2>you imagine at that time one hundred and fifty million

60
00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:22.600
<v Speaker 2>head of cattle.

61
00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:25.800
<v Speaker 3>That's craziness, and you know they needed it. For food.

62
00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, so Stalin, he had truly made a

63
00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:33.399
<v Speaker 2>mess of things. And as millions died during such famine,

64
00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:40.759
<v Speaker 2>the people they had resulted and turned to cannibalism. Oh no, right, Oh,

65
00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:47.240
<v Speaker 2>terrible periods to be alive area of the world. So

66
00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:50.439
<v Speaker 2>what Andre witnessed just outside of the windows of his

67
00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:54.399
<v Speaker 2>home in school at such a young age was bad enough.

68
00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.680
<v Speaker 2>But it didn't help that at five years old, his

69
00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:59.720
<v Speaker 2>mother told him the story that stayed with him for

70
00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:03.959
<v Speaker 2>a Apparently, in nineteen thirty four, just two years before

71
00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Andre was born, his four year old brother Stephen, disappeared

72
00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:12.920
<v Speaker 2>from the village. His mother told them told Andre that

73
00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:18.040
<v Speaker 2>he was kidnapped and the neighbors had eaten him. At five, Oh,

74
00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:20.360
<v Speaker 2>here's a story. You had a brother, yeah, and the

75
00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:23.120
<v Speaker 2>neighbors ate him, and you're living in this and they're

76
00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.839
<v Speaker 2>so poor, so they live in a hut in one bed.

77
00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Everybody sleeps in the same bed, and there's no food.

78
00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.439
<v Speaker 2>So and then your mother keeps talking about this brother

79
00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.959
<v Speaker 2>that you had, and now you're afraid of just being eaten.

80
00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:40.120
<v Speaker 2>If you see anybody that's not your own family.

81
00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:42.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no shit, You're gonna go outside and someone's gonna

82
00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:44.120
<v Speaker 1>steal you and then kill you.

83
00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:48.199
<v Speaker 2>You. Yes, this is nothing terrible. So no one knows

84
00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:51.120
<v Speaker 2>why his mother told him the story about his brother,

85
00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:55.279
<v Speaker 2>and no one even knows if Stephen even existed. So

86
00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.360
<v Speaker 2>there you have it. But it had a huge impact

87
00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:00.839
<v Speaker 2>on Andre, and it is all. I also believe that

88
00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Andre suffered from hydro syphilis, which is water on the

89
00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:08.879
<v Speaker 2>brain at birth, and this gave him So what that did,

90
00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:12.480
<v Speaker 2>they believe is caused him to have problems with his

91
00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.319
<v Speaker 2>urinary tract later in life. So he would be a

92
00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.120
<v Speaker 2>bed weder and his mother, you know, in the same

93
00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.959
<v Speaker 2>bed that they shared, you know, the bed wedding. He

94
00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.720
<v Speaker 2>would get beat for that. Not only that it would

95
00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:27.319
<v Speaker 2>later be discovered that he would it would affect his

96
00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:31.439
<v Speaker 2>ability to keep interaction even though he was able to ejaculate,

97
00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.240
<v Speaker 2>So that part's important. So from the first day he

98
00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:38.319
<v Speaker 2>started attending primary school, he had a hard time making friends.

99
00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.279
<v Speaker 2>Other children remembered a shy, introverted, and secretive little boy

100
00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.360
<v Speaker 2>who had a hard time fitting in with his classmates.

101
00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:48.279
<v Speaker 2>They saw him as a day dreamer. While Andre found

102
00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:51.279
<v Speaker 2>the other children to be unfriendly and prone to making

103
00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:53.879
<v Speaker 2>fun of him. He was mainly concerned that his fellow

104
00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:57.680
<v Speaker 2>classmates would discover his secrets bed wedding. I'm going to

105
00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.600
<v Speaker 2>fast forward now to the war. On June twenty second,

106
00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.680
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty one, Hitler's tanks they smashed into the Soviet

107
00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Union and as a result, millions of men were called

108
00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.399
<v Speaker 2>up by the Red Army to defend the front line.

109
00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Andre's father, Roman was one of them, and the war

110
00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:18.079
<v Speaker 2>was just outside their windows. I know how awful the

111
00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:22.319
<v Speaker 2>Ukraine was being occupied by Nazis and shootings and killings

112
00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:26.720
<v Speaker 2>were happening right before everybody's eye. Later Andre would talk

113
00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.680
<v Speaker 2>about those years and how he remembered seeing blood, corpses,

114
00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.839
<v Speaker 2>human body parts just scattered in the street. He also

115
00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:37.639
<v Speaker 2>witnessed his mother getting raped by a German soldier, which

116
00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:42.720
<v Speaker 2>resulted in the birth of his sister, Tadiana Ohnah So.

117
00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.959
<v Speaker 2>But aside from all of that gruesomeness, the boys, the

118
00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.879
<v Speaker 2>little young men, young boys, They were enthralled by the

119
00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:54.439
<v Speaker 2>stories and the acts of heroism for those that fought

120
00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:57.959
<v Speaker 2>on their behalf. There was even a game young kids

121
00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:01.839
<v Speaker 2>would play where they would act out young Soviet partisans

122
00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:05.120
<v Speaker 2>who harassed and lured the Nazis from their hideouts in

123
00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:08.480
<v Speaker 2>the woods. So once the Germans were driven away, the

124
00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:11.519
<v Speaker 2>media took hold and took all of the heroic stories.

125
00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:15.439
<v Speaker 2>As Andre grew older, he devoured these words and would

126
00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.519
<v Speaker 2>read anything he was able to find. His favorite book

127
00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:21.639
<v Speaker 2>was one written by Stalin himself after the war ended,

128
00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:24.879
<v Speaker 2>titled The Young Guard. It was actually a required reading

129
00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:27.240
<v Speaker 2>for all. It told of a story of a group

130
00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.800
<v Speaker 2>of young Communist partisans who ended up giving their lives

131
00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.840
<v Speaker 2>in the war against Germany. Andre was taken with the

132
00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.320
<v Speaker 2>stories of such heroism, and he often imagined himself in

133
00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.240
<v Speaker 2>their positions and fighting for his country. But that thought

134
00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:45.360
<v Speaker 2>alone also brought him great shame. You see, his father Roman,

135
00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.240
<v Speaker 2>he hadn't fought to the death like the heroes he

136
00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:51.240
<v Speaker 2>read about. Did Roman. He had been captured by the

137
00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Nazis very quickly after Russia had joined the war. He

138
00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:58.559
<v Speaker 2>was taken to a concentration camp before being liberated in

139
00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:02.440
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty five to see of American gis and he

140
00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:05.320
<v Speaker 2>was able to return home. Of course, he had his

141
00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:09.519
<v Speaker 2>own crazy, bloody stories, but that didn't really matter to Andrea.

142
00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:12.919
<v Speaker 2>He thought that his father brought great shame to the family,

143
00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.639
<v Speaker 2>and this is fuck. This is crazy. Yeah. Oddly enough,

144
00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:19.919
<v Speaker 2>the state seemed to share his same view. Do you see,

145
00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:23.000
<v Speaker 2>anyone who was a prisoner of war was made to

146
00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:26.519
<v Speaker 2>be a person of suspect. So had Roman died, he

147
00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:28.919
<v Speaker 2>would have been a hero, But this way he was

148
00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.639
<v Speaker 2>seen as an enemy of the people and a trader.

149
00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:35.039
<v Speaker 2>That's how they looked at people who were THEO W's Yes,

150
00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:40.039
<v Speaker 2>isn't that wow? So that's freaking awful awful?

151
00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

152
00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:43.759
<v Speaker 2>But how dare you even watching the skills of those

153
00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and what they've been through. I know what they've been through. Well,

154
00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:50.639
<v Speaker 2>thankfully he was lucky enough to be to avoid being

155
00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:55.320
<v Speaker 2>criminally punished, but that didn't stop Andre from resenting him.

156
00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:59.440
<v Speaker 2>And then Andrea's classmates they would fully bully him, and

157
00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:02.559
<v Speaker 2>they would call his father a coward. Isn't that? I

158
00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:10.879
<v Speaker 2>can't even, Lord, just I have no words. At this time,

159
00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Andrea was entering puberty and his interest in the opposite

160
00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:18.120
<v Speaker 2>sex grew, as it does. But now his classmates were

161
00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:21.480
<v Speaker 2>calling him baba, which is a derogatory word for a woman.

162
00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:24.360
<v Speaker 2>And I just I don't know anything about the that

163
00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.799
<v Speaker 2>area of language, but you know, in John Wick baba

164
00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:30.120
<v Speaker 2>yaga is I'll have to look at I don't know

165
00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:34.080
<v Speaker 2>the backstory. I thought Baba Yaga was Boogeyman, which is

166
00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:38.759
<v Speaker 2>definitely what I would call mister Andre here. Andre so

167
00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:41.399
<v Speaker 2>one time a boy next to him at the urinal

168
00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:46.000
<v Speaker 2>commented on this is I can't I'm not gonna even

169
00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:51.919
<v Speaker 2>commented on his foreskin being oddly shaped. Oh no, and

170
00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:55.399
<v Speaker 2>this too. You know how school is. You can't have

171
00:10:55.519 --> 00:11:00.919
<v Speaker 2>a freckle, a pimple now oddly shaped for skins. Hello,

172
00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:04.639
<v Speaker 2>that's going to hit the streets. So he dreamed of

173
00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:09.480
<v Speaker 2>studying at the Moscow State University, which was a very

174
00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:14.200
<v Speaker 2>prestigious school. His grades were there and his extracurricular activities,

175
00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:17.399
<v Speaker 2>such as the Communist youth League, set him aside from

176
00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:19.960
<v Speaker 2>the other boys. He went to Moscow, and even though

177
00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:23.200
<v Speaker 2>he had to sleep at the city's Kazinski railway station,

178
00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:26.279
<v Speaker 2>he didn't care. He was fascinated by the city and

179
00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:32.440
<v Speaker 2>he would explore it in between the various university entrance exams. However,

180
00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:35.200
<v Speaker 2>by the time he returned home, he learned that he

181
00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:38.919
<v Speaker 2>had not been accepted at the university. Instead of just

182
00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:42.799
<v Speaker 2>accepting that he didn't have what it takes for the

183
00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.879
<v Speaker 2>entrance exams, Andre believed he was rejected because of his

184
00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:52.679
<v Speaker 2>father's war record. Oh okay, So instead of applying elsewhere,

185
00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.840
<v Speaker 2>he decided to apply at the local Technical college for

186
00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:59.240
<v Speaker 2>a course in communications engineering. And it was during this

187
00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.759
<v Speaker 2>time that he had a love affair with Tatiana Nearsna,

188
00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:05.840
<v Speaker 2>and she was seventeen he was nineteen, and they were

189
00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.279
<v Speaker 2>both interested in having sex, and he had tried twice,

190
00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.159
<v Speaker 2>but to no avail. The relationship didn't even last two months.

191
00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:15.960
<v Speaker 2>He tried a few more times, but again he couldn't

192
00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:19.080
<v Speaker 2>get an erection, and he believed he was impotent and

193
00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:24.120
<v Speaker 2>became obsessed with masturbation. Girls were going behind my back.

194
00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:27.399
<v Speaker 2>Was spring that I was impotent, he later recalled. I

195
00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:30.440
<v Speaker 2>was so ashamed. I tried to hang myself. My mother

196
00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:33.600
<v Speaker 2>and some young neighbors pulled me out off of the noose.

197
00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:36.879
<v Speaker 2>I thought no one would want such a shamed man.

198
00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Andre was eventually called up for military service and drafted

199
00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:44.080
<v Speaker 2>into a communications unit, and he would go out with

200
00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:47.480
<v Speaker 2>the other soldiers and there were always plenty of girls around,

201
00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:50.960
<v Speaker 2>but his shyness and embarrassment kept him from making any

202
00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:55.039
<v Speaker 2>real connection. Besides, words started getting around that he couldn't

203
00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:58.519
<v Speaker 2>get it up, and so his fellow soldiers began calling

204
00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:04.360
<v Speaker 2>him gay. This is of course, yes, Oh my god,

205
00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:04.919
<v Speaker 2>he's gay.

206
00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:05.919
<v Speaker 1>He's gay.

207
00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:08.399
<v Speaker 2>He stopped going out with the boys and began losing

208
00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:11.360
<v Speaker 2>himself in books again. And there was one memory that

209
00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:14.399
<v Speaker 2>he had that definitely made a lasting impression on him.

210
00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:16.919
<v Speaker 2>It was when he was sitting with a girl and

211
00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.639
<v Speaker 2>cuddling her Once she suddenly made it obvious that she

212
00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:23.519
<v Speaker 2>was over it and attempted to push his arms away,

213
00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:25.759
<v Speaker 2>but just for a second, he didn't let her go.

214
00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:29.279
<v Speaker 2>He found he enjoyed the tension created between the two

215
00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:31.960
<v Speaker 2>as she tried to get out of his firm grasp.

216
00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:34.200
<v Speaker 2>He let her go after a few seconds, but not

217
00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:37.919
<v Speaker 2>before realizing he had ejaculated in his pants. It was

218
00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.519
<v Speaker 2>the first time the link he had made for him

219
00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:48.919
<v Speaker 2>being sexual, between sexual pleasure and his physical violence two together.

220
00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:53.279
<v Speaker 2>So and that's all it really took. So after serving,

221
00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:56.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty four year old Andre he initially went back to

222
00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:00.240
<v Speaker 2>his family in a Blitchnay, and he knew it was

223
00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:02.440
<v Speaker 2>time to start a career, but he felt that his

224
00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.679
<v Speaker 2>hometown in the Ukraine wasn't the place to begin, so

225
00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.960
<v Speaker 2>he decided to travel a few hundred miles east crossing

226
00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:13.639
<v Speaker 2>the border into Russia, and while there, Andre found a

227
00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:17.399
<v Speaker 2>job as a telephone engineer and a town called Rodeo

228
00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:21.559
<v Speaker 2>Novo Nesveta Nevsky. He only had a single room that

229
00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:24.279
<v Speaker 2>he lived in, but things were going pretty well for him,

230
00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.759
<v Speaker 2>so much so that he had asked his mother and

231
00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:29.120
<v Speaker 2>father and sister to move in with him, and at

232
00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:31.600
<v Speaker 2>first they all lived together in that one room unit.

233
00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.440
<v Speaker 2>That is until nineteen sixty two when his parents had

234
00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:37.559
<v Speaker 2>saved enough money to get a little house of their

235
00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.399
<v Speaker 2>own and they moved out. And after his sister Tadyana

236
00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:43.879
<v Speaker 2>fell in love and married a boy, she was out

237
00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:47.000
<v Speaker 2>as well. And as for Andre, he wouldn't dare approach

238
00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:50.559
<v Speaker 2>any of the girls he ever came into contact with. However,

239
00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:53.720
<v Speaker 2>the sexual urge was still there all the time. He

240
00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:57.360
<v Speaker 2>would masturbate frequently and whenever he got the chance. When

241
00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:00.600
<v Speaker 2>the urge hit, he had to wherever he was. And

242
00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:03.919
<v Speaker 2>one time, while working with a gang of fellow telephone

243
00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:06.159
<v Speaker 2>engineers who were a pair of line in the woods,

244
00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:09.080
<v Speaker 2>the gang found a clearing and they broke for launch

245
00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.039
<v Speaker 2>as they normally do. However, this time Andrea felt the

246
00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:15.600
<v Speaker 2>need to relieve himself, though he snuck off into the

247
00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.320
<v Speaker 2>wooded area that he believed was out of the view

248
00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.720
<v Speaker 2>of the rest of the gang, and proceeded to masturbate.

249
00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Once he emerged from the woods, the group leader yelled,

250
00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Andre goes into the woods to masturbate Uote. His short

251
00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:34.679
<v Speaker 2>sightedness had got him once again, and he was beyond embarrassed.

252
00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.120
<v Speaker 2>I think of something about Mary, her brother.

253
00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, freaks and bates he was master bating.

254
00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:51.120
<v Speaker 2>His sister began to get worried about him, seeing as

255
00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:54.639
<v Speaker 2>people in Russia have traditionally been married and with at

256
00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.840
<v Speaker 2>least their first child by the age of nineteen. Yet

257
00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:01.879
<v Speaker 2>here was Andre twenty seven and not a prospect in sight.

258
00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Then in nineteen sixty three, she introduced him to a

259
00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:10.840
<v Speaker 2>woman named Fina. So she set Andrea and her up

260
00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:13.080
<v Speaker 2>and they seemed to hit it off well enough, and

261
00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:16.600
<v Speaker 2>they ended up marrying later that same year. It didn't

262
00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:19.720
<v Speaker 2>take long for Fina to realize not only was Andre

263
00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:23.440
<v Speaker 2>not able to consummate their marriage, but he also had

264
00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:27.200
<v Speaker 2>no sexual desire. To that being said, she still managed

265
00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:29.960
<v Speaker 2>to coax him at least twice, and the result was

266
00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.879
<v Speaker 2>the birth of a daughter, lud Mila, in nineteen sixty

267
00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:37.799
<v Speaker 2>seven and a son Yuri two years later. Now in

268
00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.399
<v Speaker 2>his marriage, Andrea felt sex to be ature. He had

269
00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.720
<v Speaker 2>sexual fantasies that he wasn't willing to share with his wife,

270
00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.440
<v Speaker 2>which pulled them further apart. He couldn't stop thinking about

271
00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:51.000
<v Speaker 2>how he felt that one day he managed to ejaculate

272
00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.399
<v Speaker 2>during a struggle with a woman while in the army,

273
00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:57.080
<v Speaker 2>but he obviously couldn't speak to his wife of such things.

274
00:16:57.320 --> 00:16:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I get this woman, I think, Yeah, of

275
00:16:59.360 --> 00:16:59.879
<v Speaker 3>course he can.

276
00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:03.159
<v Speaker 2>So what did he do? He buried himself in his

277
00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.880
<v Speaker 2>school books. After starting a correspondence course at Rostoff University,

278
00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and finally, in nineteen seventy one, Andre's long hours of

279
00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:15.279
<v Speaker 2>study paid off and he received a degree in Russian

280
00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:19.160
<v Speaker 2>philosophy and literature. This allowed him to make the luxury

281
00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:21.559
<v Speaker 2>of looking for a new and better job, and he

282
00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:24.759
<v Speaker 2>found a job as a Russian teacher in no Low

283
00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:29.519
<v Speaker 2>Scheck Tints Novau Sheck Tints. That was my best. The

284
00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.599
<v Speaker 2>couple moved there and Andre couldn't wait to start this

285
00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.279
<v Speaker 2>new chapter in his life. The feeling of having a

286
00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:38.480
<v Speaker 2>class full of children under his power was something that

287
00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:42.200
<v Speaker 2>truly appealed to him. Unfortunately, he wasn't good at teaching

288
00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:47.319
<v Speaker 2>in the slightest in his intraed personality didn't help him

289
00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.200
<v Speaker 2>with such matters. On his first day, he was mocked

290
00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:52.799
<v Speaker 2>by his students, and no matter how hard he tried,

291
00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.640
<v Speaker 2>he could never regain discipline in the class. Even as

292
00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:58.319
<v Speaker 2>he stood right in front of them. The kids would shout,

293
00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:05.920
<v Speaker 2>run around the classroom and even openly smoked I'm gonna

294
00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:10.319
<v Speaker 2>burn one. Yeah. His need to dominate rolled over into

295
00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:13.720
<v Speaker 2>an unhealthy interest in the children. It started out as

296
00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:16.480
<v Speaker 2>him getting a little too close while he was pointing

297
00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.599
<v Speaker 2>to something in a book over a child's shoulder, or

298
00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:22.240
<v Speaker 2>sitting a little too close for comfort, and then his

299
00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:25.000
<v Speaker 2>hands would wander a little. Seeing as some of the

300
00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:28.440
<v Speaker 2>students boarded at the school, he took advantage in that

301
00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:31.039
<v Speaker 2>way as well. He would show up an announce without

302
00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:33.720
<v Speaker 2>even knocking at the girl's dorm as they were getting

303
00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:35.880
<v Speaker 2>ready for bed. He got off on the side of

304
00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:39.119
<v Speaker 2>them in their night dresses and whatnot. Years later, the

305
00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:42.759
<v Speaker 2>students would recall how they could clearly see him standing

306
00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:46.039
<v Speaker 2>there as he masturbated through the pockets of his pants.

307
00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:50.000
<v Speaker 2>New Oh my gosh.

308
00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Fucking creep.

309
00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:54.839
<v Speaker 2>Then another incident occurred in May of nineteen seventy three,

310
00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:58.519
<v Speaker 2>during a school walking tour, Andre had gone swimming in

311
00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:01.839
<v Speaker 2>the river with the students. Apparently, he swam over to

312
00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:05.720
<v Speaker 2>a fifteen year old girl named Liuba Tara and Tiva,

313
00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:09.400
<v Speaker 2>grabbed her around the hips and started bondling her breasts

314
00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:13.359
<v Speaker 2>and genitals. When she began a screen, he discovered he

315
00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:16.640
<v Speaker 2>was sexually aroused, so he kept touching her until a

316
00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:19.640
<v Speaker 2>group of students swam over to see what was happening.

317
00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:23.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, usually when the screaming starts, that's right the fleet,

318
00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:25.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, they'll stop at me and flee. But it

319
00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:27.400
<v Speaker 2>only gave him more fuel.

320
00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:29.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, Yeah, it turned him on more.

321
00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, his addiction to this is not even the tip

322
00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:36.000
<v Speaker 2>of the iceberg. Somehow, he wasn't disciplined for this matter

323
00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:39.559
<v Speaker 2>or for the next one day after school, Andre kept

324
00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:43.880
<v Speaker 2>a fourteen year old Anya Nkoliva behind for some tutoring.

325
00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.839
<v Speaker 2>As soon as the two were alone, he began hitting

326
00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:50.000
<v Speaker 2>her repeatedly on the small of her back with a ruler,

327
00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:53.640
<v Speaker 2>which got him sexually aroused. Then, as she protested and

328
00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:56.839
<v Speaker 2>struggled to get away from his forceful hold, he got

329
00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.519
<v Speaker 2>even more sexually aroused, until he finished once if he did,

330
00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.319
<v Speaker 2>he promptly stood up, zipped his pants, and walked out

331
00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:06.359
<v Speaker 2>of the classroom and locked the door behind him. Seeing

332
00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:09.480
<v Speaker 2>as the classroom was on the first floor. Anya hopped

333
00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:11.839
<v Speaker 2>out of the window and ran home. And she had

334
00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:14.960
<v Speaker 2>told her parents, but no action was taken. Terrible.

335
00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Right, Is this like the seventies sixties?

336
00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, seventy three terrible?

337
00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:21.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No one gave a fuck back then.

338
00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, every I bet her parents told her to shut up? Yeah?

339
00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh he didn't do that?

340
00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Right? Or what'd you do?

341
00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:29.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Would you yeah?

342
00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Or would you mean? So? Andre's actions they weren't limited

343
00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:35.559
<v Speaker 2>to just school either. Whenever he got a chance, like

344
00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:40.400
<v Speaker 2>on public transportation, he would rub up against the female passengers,

345
00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:44.839
<v Speaker 2>specifically young children and teenagers. His wife had a niece

346
00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:49.039
<v Speaker 2>named Marina, whom became everything he wanted. That summer of

347
00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:52.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy three, she was sixty years old, when she

348
00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.359
<v Speaker 2>was playing in the garden, Andrea came up to her

349
00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:58.759
<v Speaker 2>and put his hand in her underwear. Five years after that,

350
00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:01.960
<v Speaker 2>he would walk in on her while sleeping at his home.

351
00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:04.960
<v Speaker 2>He was naked and started masturbating in front of her.

352
00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Yena was said to have known about these things, but

353
00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:11.519
<v Speaker 2>she either ignored them or just laughed them off. Nothing

354
00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.319
<v Speaker 2>was done within the school until January of nineteen seventy four,

355
00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:19.359
<v Speaker 2>when he was told to either resign or be fired. However,

356
00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:22.960
<v Speaker 2>his work records didn't include anything that he had done,

357
00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:26.319
<v Speaker 2>so the problem wasn't fixed so much as MoU and

358
00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:31.119
<v Speaker 2>He easily found another job at another school in nearby Shakti,

359
00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:35.079
<v Speaker 2>except this time he was a warden. Additionally, Fayema became

360
00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:37.839
<v Speaker 2>a matron of the school and the couple were given

361
00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:41.359
<v Speaker 2>a flat. Even though the students didn't respect or like him,

362
00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:44.200
<v Speaker 2>and his fellow colleagues didn't care for him, he was

363
00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.559
<v Speaker 2>still considered to be polite and well educated. That is

364
00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:51.200
<v Speaker 2>until he made his debut in nineteen seventy eight. Andre

365
00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:54.359
<v Speaker 2>went into a dorm full of teenage boys while they

366
00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:58.000
<v Speaker 2>were sleeping, and he approached fifteen year old Sherbakov. He

367
00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:01.680
<v Speaker 2>pulled away his bed sheets and he began performing oral

368
00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:04.000
<v Speaker 2>sex on the boy, and when the kid woke up,

369
00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Andre took off. However, a few days later, when Andre

370
00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.079
<v Speaker 2>returned to the scene of the crime to try once more,

371
00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the boys were waiting for him and got him to leave.

372
00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:15.880
<v Speaker 2>What happened was the talk of the town among students

373
00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:20.200
<v Speaker 2>and staff members, which led people to question whether Andrea

374
00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:23.319
<v Speaker 2>was homosexual. Whether or not the story ever made it

375
00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:27.119
<v Speaker 2>to the director is unclear, but either way nothing happened

376
00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.599
<v Speaker 2>to him again. Word obviously made its way back to Faima,

377
00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:34.799
<v Speaker 2>who heavily questioned their marriage. She asked him to get counseling,

378
00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:38.279
<v Speaker 2>but he refused. A month later, a group of seniors

379
00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.160
<v Speaker 2>cornered him and kicked the shit out of him, and

380
00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:44.279
<v Speaker 2>ever since then he carried a pocket knife on him

381
00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:45.079
<v Speaker 2>for protection.

382
00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:50.599
<v Speaker 1>I love that the discussion wasn't like is here child

383
00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:52.119
<v Speaker 1>molester right?

384
00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:57.559
<v Speaker 2>And is the yay like that's them important issue exactly?

385
00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:03.359
<v Speaker 2>That is just so ignorant. Not long after moving to Shakti,

386
00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Andre bought a place that he didn't let his wife

387
00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:09.359
<v Speaker 2>or kids know about. There wasn't much to it. It

388
00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:12.160
<v Speaker 2>was a tiny, one room hut with a bed and

389
00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:15.200
<v Speaker 2>the bare minimum as far as furniture goes. It didn't

390
00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.279
<v Speaker 2>even have running water and was freezing in the winter

391
00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:21.720
<v Speaker 2>and sweltering in the summer. However, he hadn't bought this

392
00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:24.519
<v Speaker 2>little hut to live in. It was number twenty six

393
00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:28.640
<v Speaker 2>on Meshivoy Parallel that it didn't cost him up. He

394
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:31.799
<v Speaker 2>began to build a secret life away from his wife

395
00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:35.599
<v Speaker 2>and kids, while still maintaining the normal married man life

396
00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:38.160
<v Speaker 2>when he was home. When away, he was able to

397
00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:42.240
<v Speaker 2>let his imagination run wild, and he wanted to explore

398
00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:45.319
<v Speaker 2>his urge to dominate. This little hut allowed him to

399
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:48.240
<v Speaker 2>do just that. He started taking advantage of the time

400
00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:51.680
<v Speaker 2>off he was given and would prowl the town. Andre's

401
00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:56.000
<v Speaker 2>choice of victim mainly stemmed from the dropouts of society,

402
00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:01.759
<v Speaker 2>such as young runaways, orphans, prostitutesaholics, drug addict and the

403
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:06.559
<v Speaker 2>mentally handicapped. He would loiter around railway stations, bus stops,

404
00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and the suburban Electrica trains and wait for his prey.

405
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Once he found a target, he would entice them with

406
00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:17.039
<v Speaker 2>offers of alcohol or some food, whatever the poison may be.

407
00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:19.640
<v Speaker 2>He would then lure them into the closest park for

408
00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:22.839
<v Speaker 2>us and then have his way with them. Most times

409
00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:25.759
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't able to have sex, but these people would

410
00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:30.079
<v Speaker 2>perform other sexual acts on him as well. He particularly

411
00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.680
<v Speaker 2>liked the company of little girls, since he liked the struggle.

412
00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Older women didn't necessarily do it for him, after all,

413
00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:40.640
<v Speaker 2>they were too easy He liked the hunt the complication

414
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.880
<v Speaker 2>of it. One time, he managed to get two six

415
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:46.799
<v Speaker 2>year old girls to follow him back to his rape

416
00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:49.680
<v Speaker 2>hut and assault them, but this wasn't something that had

417
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.200
<v Speaker 2>happened regularly for him. Most times they would say no

418
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:55.680
<v Speaker 2>or run back to mom and dad for help. On

419
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:59.319
<v Speaker 2>December twenty second, nineteen seventy eight, he had come across

420
00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:02.960
<v Speaker 2>nine year old Lena zach Tavnova on the main road

421
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.839
<v Speaker 2>of his subdivision. He was coming back from the grocery

422
00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:08.920
<v Speaker 2>store and she was standing there all by herself in

423
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.880
<v Speaker 2>a red coat with a black furry collar, a rabbit

424
00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.359
<v Speaker 2>hat and felt boot. And when he asked why she

425
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:17.480
<v Speaker 2>was alone and where she had been, the girl said

426
00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:19.519
<v Speaker 2>that she had been visiting a friend, and they began

427
00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:23.039
<v Speaker 2>talking and walking, but suddenly she had a peek. Well,

428
00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Andre had the solution. She could just simply come back

429
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.519
<v Speaker 2>to his place and go to the bathroom, and the

430
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:31.720
<v Speaker 2>little girl obliged and they went off The walk alone

431
00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:36.119
<v Speaker 2>had him excited. He couldn't wait to get her into

432
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:38.279
<v Speaker 2>his hut. It was getting dark and he made sure

433
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.960
<v Speaker 2>no one could see them, not to mention all of

434
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:44.359
<v Speaker 2>the doors in the hut in his complex faced the

435
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.960
<v Speaker 2>same way, so that made it easier. Also, his address

436
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.359
<v Speaker 2>was partially covered by trees and kind of sheltered in

437
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:53.680
<v Speaker 2>a way. They walked in and he flicked down the light.

438
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Before she could even know what was happening, Andre flicked

439
00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 2>the light back off and jumped on the girl. He

440
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:02.440
<v Speaker 2>pushed her under the floor and she screamed. He quickly

441
00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:05.720
<v Speaker 2>covered her mouth, obviously worried about the neighbors, and began

442
00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:08.920
<v Speaker 2>removing her clothes. He started rubbing up against her, but

443
00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:13.440
<v Speaker 2>wasn't able to relieve himself. His frustration, coupled with wanting

444
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:17.400
<v Speaker 2>to rape this girl, consumed him, but he couldn't perform. Then,

445
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 2>when he tried to put it inside the girl with

446
00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:24.160
<v Speaker 2>his fingers, he broke her hymen and she started to blieve.

447
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Upon seeing this, he was so pleasured he began to

448
00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:32.200
<v Speaker 2>orgasm in a way he had never experienced before. It was,

449
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.000
<v Speaker 2>he said, it was the best he ever felt. He

450
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:38.839
<v Speaker 2>knew from that point he couldn't want for anything less.

451
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:42.160
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just the struggle and the pushback anymore. Now

452
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.559
<v Speaker 2>it was the blood too, and he knew he had it.

453
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.599
<v Speaker 2>In that moment, he took a small pocket knife out

454
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:50.920
<v Speaker 2>of his pocket, which he had been carrying around for

455
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.759
<v Speaker 2>weeks up until that moment, and he stabbed the little

456
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:56.920
<v Speaker 2>girl in the stomach. He lost control and began stabbing

457
00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.640
<v Speaker 2>her over and over. Then he began to choke her

458
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.119
<v Speaker 2>with her bare hands. He said afterwards that he felt

459
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.799
<v Speaker 2>he had at last been freed from the shackles which

460
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:10.960
<v Speaker 2>had bound him. After realizing what he had done, he

461
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:15.079
<v Speaker 2>looked down at the girl's body, which was unrecognizable after

462
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 2>what he had done to her. There was blood everywhere,

463
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.839
<v Speaker 2>and she was dead. This was his first kill, and

464
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:23.119
<v Speaker 2>he was freaking out. He knew he had to remove

465
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.640
<v Speaker 2>the body somehow. He covered her up with her own clothing,

466
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.599
<v Speaker 2>peeked out his front door to make sure the coast

467
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:32.680
<v Speaker 2>was clear, and then proceeded to walk across the street

468
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:35.680
<v Speaker 2>and into the wasteland just beyond, and when he reached

469
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>the river, he tossed Lena's remains into the river. He

470
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.119
<v Speaker 2>then threw in her bag, which missed the river and

471
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.880
<v Speaker 2>landed on the opposite side of the river on the bank. However,

472
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:49.079
<v Speaker 2>she was swept away with the current. Then he took

473
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:51.920
<v Speaker 2>off and went back home, where his wife wasn't home

474
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:54.359
<v Speaker 2>quite yet, and he was able to clean himself up

475
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:56.720
<v Speaker 2>and make it look like though he had been there

476
00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>the entire night. He ended up making two very important mistakes.

477
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.400
<v Speaker 2>One he had left the light on inside the hut,

478
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.759
<v Speaker 2>and two he had left behind a small drop of

479
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 2>Lena's blood, which landed on the snow just across the

480
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.559
<v Speaker 2>street from the hut. Lena's body was found two days later,

481
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:18.000
<v Speaker 2>on December twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight, in the river.

482
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.039
<v Speaker 2>It hadn't traveled nearly as far as Andre would have hoped.

483
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.880
<v Speaker 2>This kind of horrific crime never happened around these parts,

484
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:29.359
<v Speaker 2>so a special investigation team was set up right away.

485
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Police went door to door and when a neighbor was

486
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.799
<v Speaker 2>asked if she had seen anything out of the ordinary

487
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.119
<v Speaker 2>that day, he pointed in the direction of number twenty six.

488
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Over the last few months, she had seen Andrea coming

489
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.599
<v Speaker 2>and going with women and young girls, but she knew

490
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.759
<v Speaker 2>he never stayed there. She thought it was odd that

491
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:51.359
<v Speaker 2>he had left the light burning all night just a

492
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>few days before. On top of that being suspicious in

493
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:58.519
<v Speaker 2>and of itself, the police learned about the many stories

494
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:02.000
<v Speaker 2>circling around his name, and none of them were good. However,

495
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.880
<v Speaker 2>even though he was questioned eight or nine times. He

496
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>had an alibi for the night, and his wife had

497
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.519
<v Speaker 2>vouched for him and swore that he had been home

498
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:11.880
<v Speaker 2>all night, never mind the fact that there was another

499
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.920
<v Speaker 2>witness who had told police that she had saw the

500
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.680
<v Speaker 2>little girl earlier that day with a man whom she

501
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.240
<v Speaker 2>described as a middle aged man with glasses. She was

502
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:24.599
<v Speaker 2>too far away to hear their conversation, but she got

503
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:27.359
<v Speaker 2>the impression that the two didn't know each other. But

504
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 2>the police never even probably checked out this story because suddenly,

505
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty five year old Alexander Kripchenko was who the cops

506
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:39.000
<v Speaker 2>were scoping out as a teenager. This young man had

507
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 2>spent time in jail for the rape and murder of

508
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:45.680
<v Speaker 2>a young girl, so the cops arrested him instead. Surprisingly enough,

509
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.079
<v Speaker 2>he even confessed to killing Lena, although he would later

510
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 2>state that the confession was beat out of him and

511
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.839
<v Speaker 2>that he was innocent. Regardless, he was convicted and he

512
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:58.559
<v Speaker 2>was sentenced to fifteen years in prison, and he was

513
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:02.759
<v Speaker 2>eventually executed for Lena's murder in July of nineteen eighty three.

514
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Dang so yees Andre and it would be like another

515
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.319
<v Speaker 2>victim of his Yeah, even though Andrea was cleared of

516
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Lena's murder. The school he was working for found it

517
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:20.559
<v Speaker 2>hard to not take some kind of action, especially after

518
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:24.720
<v Speaker 2>knowing about his prior assault on Shrbakoff. So the director

519
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:28.119
<v Speaker 2>of the school finally decided to deal with Andre, but

520
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:31.519
<v Speaker 2>it took until nineteen eighty one. He was given the

521
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 2>option of resigning and walking away peacefully, which would once

522
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 2>again leave his record clean for his next job opportunity,

523
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:44.119
<v Speaker 2>which is messed up. Yeah, he was basically going to

524
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.759
<v Speaker 2>be the next person or company's problem and walking away

525
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:52.559
<v Speaker 2>without any punishment whatsoever. Thankfully, Andre in return to teaching,

526
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.000
<v Speaker 2>this time in March of nineteen eighty one, he began

527
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 2>working as a simple supply clerk in the Shakti offices

528
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Speaker 2>of Rasta, a heavy industrial Congoquan blomerate say that five

529
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>times fast, Andre and his wife were given a state

530
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:13.400
<v Speaker 2>apartment just a few streets away. In this position, he

531
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:16.440
<v Speaker 2>was made to travel often and to places all over

532
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.480
<v Speaker 2>the country. This was the ideal job for him. It

533
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:23.119
<v Speaker 2>allowed him the freedom he so desperately yearned for. On

534
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:28.839
<v Speaker 2>September third, nineteen eighty one, seventeen year old Larissa Kachenka

535
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.720
<v Speaker 2>was his second victim. Larissa was a rebellious teen who

536
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.640
<v Speaker 2>often defied her authorities, and being with an older man

537
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:40.359
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't hurt a reputation any more than it already was.

538
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 2>She was a runaway from a boarding school at a time,

539
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:47.359
<v Speaker 2>and being a bit older, she was experienced sexually. She

540
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:50.960
<v Speaker 2>was used to swapping sexual favors for a meal or

541
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 2>a drink, so this was no different for her. She

542
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:57.359
<v Speaker 2>went with Andre willingly, and once he got her alone,

543
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>he started to rip off her panty. She began to fight,

544
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:03.319
<v Speaker 2>but he was no match for Andre. He muffled her

545
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.000
<v Speaker 2>screams by pushing dirt in her mouth, and then he

546
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 2>punched her in her head repeatedly and began strangling her

547
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 2>with his hands. The more she struggled under his grasp,

548
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:16.599
<v Speaker 2>the more he got off. He ejaculated on her corpse

549
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 2>and bit off one of her nipples. He then danced

550
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.519
<v Speaker 2>around her, rejoicing at what he had just done. He

551
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:27.519
<v Speaker 2>then gathered himself, covered her with surrounding debris, and tucked

552
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:29.839
<v Speaker 2>her clothing in a ball and hid them in a

553
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:33.079
<v Speaker 2>thick part of undergrowth. Her body was found the next day.

554
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.640
<v Speaker 2>So Andre. He was forty five, and now he knew

555
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.720
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't at it well. He needed suffering. He wanted

556
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 2>to see the pain of his victims, to hear them

557
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 2>cry out in agony. That is how he got his kicks.

558
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.559
<v Speaker 2>He did not rape in the ordinary sense, knowing that

559
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:53.880
<v Speaker 2>failure was almost preordained, he often made no attempt to

560
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 2>have intercourse. Instead, he merely masturbated over their bodies, as

561
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:03.519
<v Speaker 2>if desperately trying to convince himself of his own adequacy.

562
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.599
<v Speaker 2>He tried to push his sperm into them with his hand.

563
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.359
<v Speaker 2>His satisfaction, however, came from the thrust of his knight

564
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 2>and the blows from his fists. It was no coincidence,

565
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.400
<v Speaker 2>either that he chose to kill in the woods. Here,

566
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:20.160
<v Speaker 2>of all places, he felt secure and at home, said

567
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Pete unquote. And that's from Peter CONRADI he's the author

568
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.839
<v Speaker 2>of The Red Ripper. On June twelfth, nineteen eighty two,

569
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:34.119
<v Speaker 2>while on a business trip to the town of zaslovskias

570
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>a thirteen year old lu Ubaid was next. They both

571
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.519
<v Speaker 2>missed the bus together. He heard right she had been

572
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.960
<v Speaker 2>walking home from a shopping trip, and Andre began making

573
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.839
<v Speaker 2>casual conversation as he normally does. He began walking with

574
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.119
<v Speaker 2>her down the sidewalk until the two were covered by

575
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:56.400
<v Speaker 2>the surrounding bushes. He took his opportunity to jump on

576
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:59.440
<v Speaker 2>her from behind and dragged her into the bushes. He

577
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:03.039
<v Speaker 2>began undressing her and she was screaming. He stabbed her

578
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:05.960
<v Speaker 2>in the stomach. He would do this twenty two more times,

579
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:09.679
<v Speaker 2>but all over her body neck, head, chest, pelvic region,

580
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.519
<v Speaker 2>and as he did that, he would continue to gyrate

581
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:16.039
<v Speaker 2>against her until the orgasm. After the deed was done,

582
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.719
<v Speaker 2>he gouged out her eyes and quickly covered her up

583
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:23.159
<v Speaker 2>with the underbrush. Then he grabbed her clothes and shopping

584
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.199
<v Speaker 2>bag and threw them into the woods before taking off.

585
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.000
<v Speaker 2>She was found a little less than two weeks later,

586
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:33.039
<v Speaker 2>her body badly decomposed by that time. But this incident

587
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.320
<v Speaker 2>here showed him how easy it is to cozy up

588
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:40.599
<v Speaker 2>to complete strangers while at public transportation stops, so he

589
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:44.639
<v Speaker 2>would use his charm, talkative nature, and non threatening looks

590
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 2>to his advantage. He also used the title of teacher

591
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:50.880
<v Speaker 2>as often as he could, seeing as that made him

592
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:55.000
<v Speaker 2>somehow more trustworthy and less of a threat. Before nineteen

593
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.599
<v Speaker 2>eighty two had come to an end, Andre took the

594
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:01.679
<v Speaker 2>lives of six more innocent people. Fourteen year old Luba

595
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Bolo boy Yea on July twenty fifth, nine year old

596
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:10.440
<v Speaker 2>old leg Posha div on August thirteenth, sixteen year old

597
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Olga Puprina on August sixteenth, nineteen year old Irena Karabelle

598
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Nuka on September eighth, fifteen year old Sergei Kuzman on

599
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:24.800
<v Speaker 2>September fifteenth, and ten year old Olga Thalma Chenok on

600
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:28.360
<v Speaker 2>December eleventh. And this is where I'm going to end

601
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:35.559
<v Speaker 2>this half Andre's story. I'm gonnachristy girl. Oh nice. If

602
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I went through the whole story today, I think it

603
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.719
<v Speaker 2>would it would just it's such a heavy cloud that

604
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:45.519
<v Speaker 2>you can't even wrap your head around someone so awful.

605
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 2>It's like a human beast, right, you know, like a

606
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 2>mad dog. You can't make a man a rabid dog regular.

607
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:53.159
<v Speaker 2>You gotta put it down.

608
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Right, right right? Yeah, So get ready for.

609
00:35:56.119 --> 00:36:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Some absolute or children. So thank you, she I pleasure.

610
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Thank you everyone for listening to this week's episode. If

611
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.599
<v Speaker 1>you haven't done so already, please subscribe because you will

612
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:13.719
<v Speaker 1>be alerted to when we release new episodes. If you

613
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:16.719
<v Speaker 1>would like to join our Patreon, you can go to

614
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Patreon dot com slash tnt crimes and why you want

615
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:25.280
<v Speaker 1>to do that is if you enjoy our podcast, if

616
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:28.280
<v Speaker 1>you join Patreon, you get an extra episode a week

617
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and for a very low fee of eight dollars a month.

618
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Steal.

619
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's a steal. You get one extra episode a week.

620
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:41.159
<v Speaker 1>You can also join on Apple podcasts. You can, so

621
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:45.039
<v Speaker 1>you can subscribe either way. They're the same episodes. You

622
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.360
<v Speaker 1>can go to our website crimesoconsequences dot com and you

623
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.360
<v Speaker 1>can also listen there if you'd like. We also have

624
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.239
<v Speaker 1>merch and such things like that. So I think that's

625
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>most everything we have. So I know, how did you

626
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:03.199
<v Speaker 1>put a little snippet out on our Instagram?

627
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:04.599
<v Speaker 2>How'd you like that?

628
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I like that? Yes, so we do have an Instagram.

629
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 1>It's hardcore true crime and on Instagram, so you can

630
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.679
<v Speaker 1>look at that too. Shannon's been working hard.

631
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:18.199
<v Speaker 3>I have word out. I'm impressed of.

632
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Our true crime fans and I'm a true crime fan.

633
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

634
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.639
<v Speaker 1>I know it's so fucking crazy, like the thing that

635
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:26.519
<v Speaker 1>gets me always, and I know this is true for

636
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:29.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people. It's always just the psychology behind it,

637
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Like how did you become this horrendous monster, Like what

638
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:34.679
<v Speaker 1>were you born that way? You know what happened in

639
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>the womb? Were you exposed to you know? Did your

640
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:38.199
<v Speaker 1>mom take too many tilana?

641
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Like?

642
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:40.199
<v Speaker 1>You know how they you know what I mean, Like

643
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 1>they warn you against don't eat tuna fish or at

644
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:45.639
<v Speaker 1>least when I was pregnant, right when we were pregnant,

645
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:48.960
<v Speaker 1>tony tuna fish. Don't change the cat litter? Like did

646
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.480
<v Speaker 1>his mom change the cat litter one too many times?

647
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.199
<v Speaker 1>And now he's a serial killer.

648
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:57.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's just yes, it's the butterfly effect.

649
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the littlest thing. I know.

650
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.519
<v Speaker 2>It could be the thing. I don't know, the rails

651
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Insteaan like.

652
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>It is what makes one person.

653
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.320
<v Speaker 2>I always think that too, because even with my daughter,

654
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I'll be like Brook, But what's your thinking process? I

655
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.199
<v Speaker 2>want to know what thought followed? What thought? What to

656
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>get you to this decision?

657
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Thought processes are funny, especially when you have ADHD, because

658
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:26.079
<v Speaker 1>you just come back to the left field, but it

659
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:28.920
<v Speaker 1>all made sense up in your head, Like I went

660
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:30.760
<v Speaker 1>from A to B to CDD and now I.

661
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Met Jay, and Jay is the one I come out

662
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:35.440
<v Speaker 3>with when we start were here?

663
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:41.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good times.

664
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, until our next episode, my friend until our next time, Friend,

665
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.039
<v Speaker 1>I love you, I love you too.

666
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:45.639
<v Speaker 3>I'll talk to you