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Speaker 2: But are you ready? This one comes from the Russia
Speaker 2: Ukraine ear which is a hot topic. Oh yeah, but
Speaker 2: this is something completely different and horrific happened years back.
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Speaker 2: never miss us. So this week it's Andre Romanovitch Chikatilo,
Speaker 2: also known as the Red Ripper, the Butcher of Rostoff,
Speaker 2: the rostaf Ripper, the Forest strip Killer, the Mad Beast,
Speaker 2: the Mistake of Nature killer X, and the shelter belt Killer.
Speaker 2: Andre was one sick effort, to say the least.
Speaker 3: Yeah sounds like it. With all those nicknames, oh.
Speaker 2: My goodness, he earned every single one of them. This
Speaker 2: guy is the Boogeyman, definitely, So Andre Kikatilo. He was
Speaker 2: born October sixteenth, nineteen thirty six, Libra. He was born
Speaker 2: in a small Ukrainian farming village of Yeah Blutchnee. So
Speaker 2: let me set the scene for Night teen thirty six
Speaker 2: Yablutschnee farming village. During the time of Andre's birth, there
Speaker 2: was a huge famine taking place and people were starving
Speaker 2: Joseph Stalin was in power at the time, and he
Speaker 2: had put into effect a period of forced collectivization. That's
Speaker 2: where farmers were forced to hand in their entire crop
Speaker 2: for statewide distribution. Okay, yeah, and these farmers, they are
Speaker 2: poor farmers. You're not talking about acridges. You are talking
Speaker 2: about families that live in huts and have a small
Speaker 2: lot of land. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Those who didn't oblige, they were wiped out. Hundreds and
Speaker 2: thousands of women, children, and the elderly were packed up
Speaker 2: like cargo meat inside of unheated railway wagons and they
Speaker 2: were set off to die. Oh. Those who didn't go,
Speaker 2: they stayed back to fight, which led Stalin to send
Speaker 2: in units of the Red Army and they were backed
Speaker 2: by air power to subdue his own people. The ones
Speaker 2: that chose not to fight decided to make a statement. Instead,
Speaker 2: they killed their own cows, pigs, and sheep. As a result,
Speaker 2: as many as one hundred and fifty million head of
Speaker 2: cattle were destroyed, which he massively hit the country's food supplies. Wow,
Speaker 2: you imagine at that time one hundred and fifty million
Speaker 2: head of cattle.
Speaker 3: That's craziness, and you know they needed it. For food.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so Stalin, he had truly made a
Speaker 2: mess of things. And as millions died during such famine,
Speaker 2: the people they had resulted and turned to cannibalism. Oh no, right, Oh,
Speaker 2: terrible periods to be alive area of the world. So
Speaker 2: what Andre witnessed just outside of the windows of his
Speaker 2: home in school at such a young age was bad enough.
Speaker 2: But it didn't help that at five years old, his
Speaker 2: mother told him the story that stayed with him for
Speaker 2: a Apparently, in nineteen thirty four, just two years before
Speaker 2: Andre was born, his four year old brother Stephen, disappeared
Speaker 2: from the village. His mother told them told Andre that
Speaker 2: he was kidnapped and the neighbors had eaten him. At five, Oh,
Speaker 2: here's a story. You had a brother, yeah, and the
Speaker 2: neighbors ate him, and you're living in this and they're
Speaker 2: so poor, so they live in a hut in one bed.
Speaker 2: Everybody sleeps in the same bed, and there's no food.
Speaker 2: So and then your mother keeps talking about this brother
Speaker 2: that you had, and now you're afraid of just being eaten.
Speaker 2: If you see anybody that's not your own family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no shit, You're gonna go outside and someone's gonna
Speaker 1: steal you and then kill you.
Speaker 2: You. Yes, this is nothing terrible. So no one knows
Speaker 2: why his mother told him the story about his brother,
Speaker 2: and no one even knows if Stephen even existed. So
Speaker 2: there you have it. But it had a huge impact
Speaker 2: on Andre, and it is all. I also believe that
Speaker 2: Andre suffered from hydro syphilis, which is water on the
Speaker 2: brain at birth, and this gave him So what that did,
Speaker 2: they believe is caused him to have problems with his
Speaker 2: urinary tract later in life. So he would be a
Speaker 2: bed weder and his mother, you know, in the same
Speaker 2: bed that they shared, you know, the bed wedding. He
Speaker 2: would get beat for that. Not only that it would
Speaker 2: later be discovered that he would it would affect his
Speaker 2: ability to keep interaction even though he was able to ejaculate,
Speaker 2: So that part's important. So from the first day he
Speaker 2: started attending primary school, he had a hard time making friends.
Speaker 2: Other children remembered a shy, introverted, and secretive little boy
Speaker 2: who had a hard time fitting in with his classmates.
Speaker 2: They saw him as a day dreamer. While Andre found
Speaker 2: the other children to be unfriendly and prone to making
Speaker 2: fun of him. He was mainly concerned that his fellow
Speaker 2: classmates would discover his secrets bed wedding. I'm going to
Speaker 2: fast forward now to the war. On June twenty second,
Speaker 2: nineteen forty one, Hitler's tanks they smashed into the Soviet
Speaker 2: Union and as a result, millions of men were called
Speaker 2: up by the Red Army to defend the front line.
Speaker 2: Andre's father, Roman was one of them, and the war
Speaker 2: was just outside their windows. I know how awful the
Speaker 2: Ukraine was being occupied by Nazis and shootings and killings
Speaker 2: were happening right before everybody's eye. Later Andre would talk
Speaker 2: about those years and how he remembered seeing blood, corpses,
Speaker 2: human body parts just scattered in the street. He also
Speaker 2: witnessed his mother getting raped by a German soldier, which
Speaker 2: resulted in the birth of his sister, Tadiana Ohnah So.
Speaker 2: But aside from all of that gruesomeness, the boys, the
Speaker 2: little young men, young boys, They were enthralled by the
Speaker 2: stories and the acts of heroism for those that fought
Speaker 2: on their behalf. There was even a game young kids
Speaker 2: would play where they would act out young Soviet partisans
Speaker 2: who harassed and lured the Nazis from their hideouts in
Speaker 2: the woods. So once the Germans were driven away, the
Speaker 2: media took hold and took all of the heroic stories.
Speaker 2: As Andre grew older, he devoured these words and would
Speaker 2: read anything he was able to find. His favorite book
Speaker 2: was one written by Stalin himself after the war ended,
Speaker 2: titled The Young Guard. It was actually a required reading
Speaker 2: for all. It told of a story of a group
Speaker 2: of young Communist partisans who ended up giving their lives
Speaker 2: in the war against Germany. Andre was taken with the
Speaker 2: stories of such heroism, and he often imagined himself in
Speaker 2: their positions and fighting for his country. But that thought
Speaker 2: alone also brought him great shame. You see, his father Roman,
Speaker 2: he hadn't fought to the death like the heroes he
Speaker 2: read about. Did Roman. He had been captured by the
Speaker 2: Nazis very quickly after Russia had joined the war. He
Speaker 2: was taken to a concentration camp before being liberated in
Speaker 2: nineteen forty five to see of American gis and he
Speaker 2: was able to return home. Of course, he had his
Speaker 2: own crazy, bloody stories, but that didn't really matter to Andrea.
Speaker 2: He thought that his father brought great shame to the family,
Speaker 2: and this is fuck. This is crazy. Yeah. Oddly enough,
Speaker 2: the state seemed to share his same view. Do you see,
Speaker 2: anyone who was a prisoner of war was made to
Speaker 2: be a person of suspect. So had Roman died, he
Speaker 2: would have been a hero, But this way he was
Speaker 2: seen as an enemy of the people and a trader.
Speaker 2: That's how they looked at people who were THEO W's Yes,
Speaker 2: isn't that wow? So that's freaking awful awful?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But how dare you even watching the skills of those
Speaker 2: and what they've been through. I know what they've been through. Well,
Speaker 2: thankfully he was lucky enough to be to avoid being
Speaker 2: criminally punished, but that didn't stop Andre from resenting him.
Speaker 2: And then Andrea's classmates they would fully bully him, and
Speaker 2: they would call his father a coward. Isn't that? I
Speaker 2: can't even, Lord, just I have no words. At this time,
Speaker 2: Andrea was entering puberty and his interest in the opposite
Speaker 2: sex grew, as it does. But now his classmates were
Speaker 2: calling him baba, which is a derogatory word for a woman.
Speaker 2: And I just I don't know anything about the that
Speaker 2: area of language, but you know, in John Wick baba
Speaker 2: yaga is I'll have to look at I don't know
Speaker 2: the backstory. I thought Baba Yaga was Boogeyman, which is
Speaker 2: definitely what I would call mister Andre here. Andre so
Speaker 2: one time a boy next to him at the urinal
Speaker 2: commented on this is I can't I'm not gonna even
Speaker 2: commented on his foreskin being oddly shaped. Oh no, and
Speaker 2: this too. You know how school is. You can't have
Speaker 2: a freckle, a pimple now oddly shaped for skins. Hello,
Speaker 2: that's going to hit the streets. So he dreamed of
Speaker 2: studying at the Moscow State University, which was a very
Speaker 2: prestigious school. His grades were there and his extracurricular activities,
Speaker 2: such as the Communist youth League, set him aside from
Speaker 2: the other boys. He went to Moscow, and even though
Speaker 2: he had to sleep at the city's Kazinski railway station,
Speaker 2: he didn't care. He was fascinated by the city and
Speaker 2: he would explore it in between the various university entrance exams. However,
Speaker 2: by the time he returned home, he learned that he
Speaker 2: had not been accepted at the university. Instead of just
Speaker 2: accepting that he didn't have what it takes for the
Speaker 2: entrance exams, Andre believed he was rejected because of his
Speaker 2: father's war record. Oh okay, So instead of applying elsewhere,
Speaker 2: he decided to apply at the local Technical college for
Speaker 2: a course in communications engineering. And it was during this
Speaker 2: time that he had a love affair with Tatiana Nearsna,
Speaker 2: and she was seventeen he was nineteen, and they were
Speaker 2: both interested in having sex, and he had tried twice,
Speaker 2: but to no avail. The relationship didn't even last two months.
Speaker 2: He tried a few more times, but again he couldn't
Speaker 2: get an erection, and he believed he was impotent and
Speaker 2: became obsessed with masturbation. Girls were going behind my back.
Speaker 2: Was spring that I was impotent, he later recalled. I
Speaker 2: was so ashamed. I tried to hang myself. My mother
Speaker 2: and some young neighbors pulled me out off of the noose.
Speaker 2: I thought no one would want such a shamed man.
Speaker 2: Andre was eventually called up for military service and drafted
Speaker 2: into a communications unit, and he would go out with
Speaker 2: the other soldiers and there were always plenty of girls around,
Speaker 2: but his shyness and embarrassment kept him from making any
Speaker 2: real connection. Besides, words started getting around that he couldn't
Speaker 2: get it up, and so his fellow soldiers began calling
Speaker 2: him gay. This is of course, yes, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: he's gay.
Speaker 1: He's gay.
Speaker 2: He stopped going out with the boys and began losing
Speaker 2: himself in books again. And there was one memory that
Speaker 2: he had that definitely made a lasting impression on him.
Speaker 2: It was when he was sitting with a girl and
Speaker 2: cuddling her Once she suddenly made it obvious that she
Speaker 2: was over it and attempted to push his arms away,
Speaker 2: but just for a second, he didn't let her go.
Speaker 2: He found he enjoyed the tension created between the two
Speaker 2: as she tried to get out of his firm grasp.
Speaker 2: He let her go after a few seconds, but not
Speaker 2: before realizing he had ejaculated in his pants. It was
Speaker 2: the first time the link he had made for him
Speaker 2: being sexual, between sexual pleasure and his physical violence two together.
Speaker 2: So and that's all it really took. So after serving,
Speaker 2: twenty four year old Andre he initially went back to
Speaker 2: his family in a Blitchnay, and he knew it was
Speaker 2: time to start a career, but he felt that his
Speaker 2: hometown in the Ukraine wasn't the place to begin, so
Speaker 2: he decided to travel a few hundred miles east crossing
Speaker 2: the border into Russia, and while there, Andre found a
Speaker 2: job as a telephone engineer and a town called Rodeo
Speaker 2: Novo Nesveta Nevsky. He only had a single room that
Speaker 2: he lived in, but things were going pretty well for him,
Speaker 2: so much so that he had asked his mother and
Speaker 2: father and sister to move in with him, and at
Speaker 2: first they all lived together in that one room unit.
Speaker 2: That is until nineteen sixty two when his parents had
Speaker 2: saved enough money to get a little house of their
Speaker 2: own and they moved out. And after his sister Tadyana
Speaker 2: fell in love and married a boy, she was out
Speaker 2: as well. And as for Andre, he wouldn't dare approach
Speaker 2: any of the girls he ever came into contact with. However,
Speaker 2: the sexual urge was still there all the time. He
Speaker 2: would masturbate frequently and whenever he got the chance. When
Speaker 2: the urge hit, he had to wherever he was. And
Speaker 2: one time, while working with a gang of fellow telephone
Speaker 2: engineers who were a pair of line in the woods,
Speaker 2: the gang found a clearing and they broke for launch
Speaker 2: as they normally do. However, this time Andrea felt the
Speaker 2: need to relieve himself, though he snuck off into the
Speaker 2: wooded area that he believed was out of the view
Speaker 2: of the rest of the gang, and proceeded to masturbate.
Speaker 2: Once he emerged from the woods, the group leader yelled,
Speaker 2: Andre goes into the woods to masturbate Uote. His short
Speaker 2: sightedness had got him once again, and he was beyond embarrassed.
Speaker 2: I think of something about Mary, her brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, freaks and bates he was master bating.
Speaker 2: His sister began to get worried about him, seeing as
Speaker 2: people in Russia have traditionally been married and with at
Speaker 2: least their first child by the age of nineteen. Yet
Speaker 2: here was Andre twenty seven and not a prospect in sight.
Speaker 2: Then in nineteen sixty three, she introduced him to a
Speaker 2: woman named Fina. So she set Andrea and her up
Speaker 2: and they seemed to hit it off well enough, and
Speaker 2: they ended up marrying later that same year. It didn't
Speaker 2: take long for Fina to realize not only was Andre
Speaker 2: not able to consummate their marriage, but he also had
Speaker 2: no sexual desire. To that being said, she still managed
Speaker 2: to coax him at least twice, and the result was
Speaker 2: the birth of a daughter, lud Mila, in nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: seven and a son Yuri two years later. Now in
Speaker 2: his marriage, Andrea felt sex to be ature. He had
Speaker 2: sexual fantasies that he wasn't willing to share with his wife,
Speaker 2: which pulled them further apart. He couldn't stop thinking about
Speaker 2: how he felt that one day he managed to ejaculate
Speaker 2: during a struggle with a woman while in the army,
Speaker 2: but he obviously couldn't speak to his wife of such things.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I get this woman, I think, Yeah, of
Speaker 3: course he can.
Speaker 2: So what did he do? He buried himself in his
Speaker 2: school books. After starting a correspondence course at Rostoff University,
Speaker 2: and finally, in nineteen seventy one, Andre's long hours of
Speaker 2: study paid off and he received a degree in Russian
Speaker 2: philosophy and literature. This allowed him to make the luxury
Speaker 2: of looking for a new and better job, and he
Speaker 2: found a job as a Russian teacher in no Low
Speaker 2: Scheck Tints Novau Sheck Tints. That was my best. The
Speaker 2: couple moved there and Andre couldn't wait to start this
Speaker 2: new chapter in his life. The feeling of having a
Speaker 2: class full of children under his power was something that
Speaker 2: truly appealed to him. Unfortunately, he wasn't good at teaching
Speaker 2: in the slightest in his intraed personality didn't help him
Speaker 2: with such matters. On his first day, he was mocked
Speaker 2: by his students, and no matter how hard he tried,
Speaker 2: he could never regain discipline in the class. Even as
Speaker 2: he stood right in front of them. The kids would shout,
Speaker 2: run around the classroom and even openly smoked I'm gonna
Speaker 2: burn one. Yeah. His need to dominate rolled over into
Speaker 2: an unhealthy interest in the children. It started out as
Speaker 2: him getting a little too close while he was pointing
Speaker 2: to something in a book over a child's shoulder, or
Speaker 2: sitting a little too close for comfort, and then his
Speaker 2: hands would wander a little. Seeing as some of the
Speaker 2: students boarded at the school, he took advantage in that
Speaker 2: way as well. He would show up an announce without
Speaker 2: even knocking at the girl's dorm as they were getting
Speaker 2: ready for bed. He got off on the side of
Speaker 2: them in their night dresses and whatnot. Years later, the
Speaker 2: students would recall how they could clearly see him standing
Speaker 2: there as he masturbated through the pockets of his pants.
Speaker 2: New Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Fucking creep.
Speaker 2: Then another incident occurred in May of nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 2: during a school walking tour, Andre had gone swimming in
Speaker 2: the river with the students. Apparently, he swam over to
Speaker 2: a fifteen year old girl named Liuba Tara and Tiva,
Speaker 2: grabbed her around the hips and started bondling her breasts
Speaker 2: and genitals. When she began a screen, he discovered he
Speaker 2: was sexually aroused, so he kept touching her until a
Speaker 2: group of students swam over to see what was happening.
Speaker 2: You know, usually when the screaming starts, that's right the fleet,
Speaker 2: you know, they'll stop at me and flee. But it
Speaker 2: only gave him more fuel.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it turned him on more.
Speaker 2: Right, his addiction to this is not even the tip
Speaker 2: of the iceberg. Somehow, he wasn't disciplined for this matter
Speaker 2: or for the next one day after school, Andre kept
Speaker 2: a fourteen year old Anya Nkoliva behind for some tutoring.
Speaker 2: As soon as the two were alone, he began hitting
Speaker 2: her repeatedly on the small of her back with a ruler,
Speaker 2: which got him sexually aroused. Then, as she protested and
Speaker 2: struggled to get away from his forceful hold, he got
Speaker 2: even more sexually aroused, until he finished once if he did,
Speaker 2: he promptly stood up, zipped his pants, and walked out
Speaker 2: of the classroom and locked the door behind him. Seeing
Speaker 2: as the classroom was on the first floor. Anya hopped
Speaker 2: out of the window and ran home. And she had
Speaker 2: told her parents, but no action was taken. Terrible.
Speaker 3: Right, Is this like the seventies sixties?
Speaker 2: Yeah, seventy three terrible?
Speaker 3: Yeah, No one gave a fuck back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every I bet her parents told her to shut up? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, Oh he didn't do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right? Or what'd you do?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Would you yeah?
Speaker 2: Or would you mean? So? Andre's actions they weren't limited
Speaker 2: to just school either. Whenever he got a chance, like
Speaker 2: on public transportation, he would rub up against the female passengers,
Speaker 2: specifically young children and teenagers. His wife had a niece
Speaker 2: named Marina, whom became everything he wanted. That summer of
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three, she was sixty years old, when she
Speaker 2: was playing in the garden, Andrea came up to her
Speaker 2: and put his hand in her underwear. Five years after that,
Speaker 2: he would walk in on her while sleeping at his home.
Speaker 2: He was naked and started masturbating in front of her.
Speaker 2: Yena was said to have known about these things, but
Speaker 2: she either ignored them or just laughed them off. Nothing
Speaker 2: was done within the school until January of nineteen seventy four,
Speaker 2: when he was told to either resign or be fired. However,
Speaker 2: his work records didn't include anything that he had done,
Speaker 2: so the problem wasn't fixed so much as MoU and
Speaker 2: He easily found another job at another school in nearby Shakti,
Speaker 2: except this time he was a warden. Additionally, Fayema became
Speaker 2: a matron of the school and the couple were given
Speaker 2: a flat. Even though the students didn't respect or like him,
Speaker 2: and his fellow colleagues didn't care for him, he was
Speaker 2: still considered to be polite and well educated. That is
Speaker 2: until he made his debut in nineteen seventy eight. Andre
Speaker 2: went into a dorm full of teenage boys while they
Speaker 2: were sleeping, and he approached fifteen year old Sherbakov. He
Speaker 2: pulled away his bed sheets and he began performing oral
Speaker 2: sex on the boy, and when the kid woke up,
Speaker 2: Andre took off. However, a few days later, when Andre
Speaker 2: returned to the scene of the crime to try once more,
Speaker 2: the boys were waiting for him and got him to leave.
Speaker 2: What happened was the talk of the town among students
Speaker 2: and staff members, which led people to question whether Andrea
Speaker 2: was homosexual. Whether or not the story ever made it
Speaker 2: to the director is unclear, but either way nothing happened
Speaker 2: to him again. Word obviously made its way back to Faima,
Speaker 2: who heavily questioned their marriage. She asked him to get counseling,
Speaker 2: but he refused. A month later, a group of seniors
Speaker 2: cornered him and kicked the shit out of him, and
Speaker 2: ever since then he carried a pocket knife on him
Speaker 2: for protection.
Speaker 1: I love that the discussion wasn't like is here child
Speaker 1: molester right?
Speaker 2: And is the yay like that's them important issue exactly?
Speaker 2: That is just so ignorant. Not long after moving to Shakti,
Speaker 2: Andre bought a place that he didn't let his wife
Speaker 2: or kids know about. There wasn't much to it. It
Speaker 2: was a tiny, one room hut with a bed and
Speaker 2: the bare minimum as far as furniture goes. It didn't
Speaker 2: even have running water and was freezing in the winter
Speaker 2: and sweltering in the summer. However, he hadn't bought this
Speaker 2: little hut to live in. It was number twenty six
Speaker 2: on Meshivoy Parallel that it didn't cost him up. He
Speaker 2: began to build a secret life away from his wife
Speaker 2: and kids, while still maintaining the normal married man life
Speaker 2: when he was home. When away, he was able to
Speaker 2: let his imagination run wild, and he wanted to explore
Speaker 2: his urge to dominate. This little hut allowed him to
Speaker 2: do just that. He started taking advantage of the time
Speaker 2: off he was given and would prowl the town. Andre's
Speaker 2: choice of victim mainly stemmed from the dropouts of society,
Speaker 2: such as young runaways, orphans, prostitutesaholics, drug addict and the
Speaker 2: mentally handicapped. He would loiter around railway stations, bus stops,
Speaker 2: and the suburban Electrica trains and wait for his prey.
Speaker 2: Once he found a target, he would entice them with
Speaker 2: offers of alcohol or some food, whatever the poison may be.
Speaker 2: He would then lure them into the closest park for
Speaker 2: us and then have his way with them. Most times
Speaker 2: he wasn't able to have sex, but these people would
Speaker 2: perform other sexual acts on him as well. He particularly
Speaker 2: liked the company of little girls, since he liked the struggle.
Speaker 2: Older women didn't necessarily do it for him, after all,
Speaker 2: they were too easy He liked the hunt the complication
Speaker 2: of it. One time, he managed to get two six
Speaker 2: year old girls to follow him back to his rape
Speaker 2: hut and assault them, but this wasn't something that had
Speaker 2: happened regularly for him. Most times they would say no
Speaker 2: or run back to mom and dad for help. On
Speaker 2: December twenty second, nineteen seventy eight, he had come across
Speaker 2: nine year old Lena zach Tavnova on the main road
Speaker 2: of his subdivision. He was coming back from the grocery
Speaker 2: store and she was standing there all by herself in
Speaker 2: a red coat with a black furry collar, a rabbit
Speaker 2: hat and felt boot. And when he asked why she
Speaker 2: was alone and where she had been, the girl said
Speaker 2: that she had been visiting a friend, and they began
Speaker 2: talking and walking, but suddenly she had a peek. Well,
Speaker 2: Andre had the solution. She could just simply come back
Speaker 2: to his place and go to the bathroom, and the
Speaker 2: little girl obliged and they went off The walk alone
Speaker 2: had him excited. He couldn't wait to get her into
Speaker 2: his hut. It was getting dark and he made sure
Speaker 2: no one could see them, not to mention all of
Speaker 2: the doors in the hut in his complex faced the
Speaker 2: same way, so that made it easier. Also, his address
Speaker 2: was partially covered by trees and kind of sheltered in
Speaker 2: a way. They walked in and he flicked down the light.
Speaker 2: Before she could even know what was happening, Andre flicked
Speaker 2: the light back off and jumped on the girl. He
Speaker 2: pushed her under the floor and she screamed. He quickly
Speaker 2: covered her mouth, obviously worried about the neighbors, and began
Speaker 2: removing her clothes. He started rubbing up against her, but
Speaker 2: wasn't able to relieve himself. His frustration, coupled with wanting
Speaker 2: to rape this girl, consumed him, but he couldn't perform. Then,
Speaker 2: when he tried to put it inside the girl with
Speaker 2: his fingers, he broke her hymen and she started to blieve.
Speaker 2: Upon seeing this, he was so pleasured he began to
Speaker 2: orgasm in a way he had never experienced before. It was,
Speaker 2: he said, it was the best he ever felt. He
Speaker 2: knew from that point he couldn't want for anything less.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just the struggle and the pushback anymore. Now
Speaker 2: it was the blood too, and he knew he had it.
Speaker 2: In that moment, he took a small pocket knife out
Speaker 2: of his pocket, which he had been carrying around for
Speaker 2: weeks up until that moment, and he stabbed the little
Speaker 2: girl in the stomach. He lost control and began stabbing
Speaker 2: her over and over. Then he began to choke her
Speaker 2: with her bare hands. He said afterwards that he felt
Speaker 2: he had at last been freed from the shackles which
Speaker 2: had bound him. After realizing what he had done, he
Speaker 2: looked down at the girl's body, which was unrecognizable after
Speaker 2: what he had done to her. There was blood everywhere,
Speaker 2: and she was dead. This was his first kill, and
Speaker 2: he was freaking out. He knew he had to remove
Speaker 2: the body somehow. He covered her up with her own clothing,
Speaker 2: peeked out his front door to make sure the coast
Speaker 2: was clear, and then proceeded to walk across the street
Speaker 2: and into the wasteland just beyond, and when he reached
Speaker 2: the river, he tossed Lena's remains into the river. He
Speaker 2: then threw in her bag, which missed the river and
Speaker 2: landed on the opposite side of the river on the bank. However,
Speaker 2: she was swept away with the current. Then he took
Speaker 2: off and went back home, where his wife wasn't home
Speaker 2: quite yet, and he was able to clean himself up
Speaker 2: and make it look like though he had been there
Speaker 2: the entire night. He ended up making two very important mistakes.
Speaker 2: One he had left the light on inside the hut,
Speaker 2: and two he had left behind a small drop of
Speaker 2: Lena's blood, which landed on the snow just across the
Speaker 2: street from the hut. Lena's body was found two days later,
Speaker 2: on December twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight, in the river.
Speaker 2: It hadn't traveled nearly as far as Andre would have hoped.
Speaker 2: This kind of horrific crime never happened around these parts,
Speaker 2: so a special investigation team was set up right away.
Speaker 2: Police went door to door and when a neighbor was
Speaker 2: asked if she had seen anything out of the ordinary
Speaker 2: that day, he pointed in the direction of number twenty six.
Speaker 2: Over the last few months, she had seen Andrea coming
Speaker 2: and going with women and young girls, but she knew
Speaker 2: he never stayed there. She thought it was odd that
Speaker 2: he had left the light burning all night just a
Speaker 2: few days before. On top of that being suspicious in
Speaker 2: and of itself, the police learned about the many stories
Speaker 2: circling around his name, and none of them were good. However,
Speaker 2: even though he was questioned eight or nine times. He
Speaker 2: had an alibi for the night, and his wife had
Speaker 2: vouched for him and swore that he had been home
Speaker 2: all night, never mind the fact that there was another
Speaker 2: witness who had told police that she had saw the
Speaker 2: little girl earlier that day with a man whom she
Speaker 2: described as a middle aged man with glasses. She was
Speaker 2: too far away to hear their conversation, but she got
Speaker 2: the impression that the two didn't know each other. But
Speaker 2: the police never even probably checked out this story because suddenly,
Speaker 2: twenty five year old Alexander Kripchenko was who the cops
Speaker 2: were scoping out as a teenager. This young man had
Speaker 2: spent time in jail for the rape and murder of
Speaker 2: a young girl, so the cops arrested him instead. Surprisingly enough,
Speaker 2: he even confessed to killing Lena, although he would later
Speaker 2: state that the confession was beat out of him and
Speaker 2: that he was innocent. Regardless, he was convicted and he
Speaker 2: was sentenced to fifteen years in prison, and he was
Speaker 2: eventually executed for Lena's murder in July of nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2: Dang so yees Andre and it would be like another
Speaker 2: victim of his Yeah, even though Andrea was cleared of
Speaker 2: Lena's murder. The school he was working for found it
Speaker 2: hard to not take some kind of action, especially after
Speaker 2: knowing about his prior assault on Shrbakoff. So the director
Speaker 2: of the school finally decided to deal with Andre, but
Speaker 2: it took until nineteen eighty one. He was given the
Speaker 2: option of resigning and walking away peacefully, which would once
Speaker 2: again leave his record clean for his next job opportunity,
Speaker 2: which is messed up. Yeah, he was basically going to
Speaker 2: be the next person or company's problem and walking away
Speaker 2: without any punishment whatsoever. Thankfully, Andre in return to teaching,
Speaker 2: this time in March of nineteen eighty one, he began
Speaker 2: working as a simple supply clerk in the Shakti offices
Speaker 2: of Rasta, a heavy industrial Congoquan blomerate say that five
Speaker 2: times fast, Andre and his wife were given a state
Speaker 2: apartment just a few streets away. In this position, he
Speaker 2: was made to travel often and to places all over
Speaker 2: the country. This was the ideal job for him. It
Speaker 2: allowed him the freedom he so desperately yearned for. On
Speaker 2: September third, nineteen eighty one, seventeen year old Larissa Kachenka
Speaker 2: was his second victim. Larissa was a rebellious teen who
Speaker 2: often defied her authorities, and being with an older man
Speaker 2: wouldn't hurt a reputation any more than it already was.
Speaker 2: She was a runaway from a boarding school at a time,
Speaker 2: and being a bit older, she was experienced sexually. She
Speaker 2: was used to swapping sexual favors for a meal or
Speaker 2: a drink, so this was no different for her. She
Speaker 2: went with Andre willingly, and once he got her alone,
Speaker 2: he started to rip off her panty. She began to fight,
Speaker 2: but he was no match for Andre. He muffled her
Speaker 2: screams by pushing dirt in her mouth, and then he
Speaker 2: punched her in her head repeatedly and began strangling her
Speaker 2: with his hands. The more she struggled under his grasp,
Speaker 2: the more he got off. He ejaculated on her corpse
Speaker 2: and bit off one of her nipples. He then danced
Speaker 2: around her, rejoicing at what he had just done. He
Speaker 2: then gathered himself, covered her with surrounding debris, and tucked
Speaker 2: her clothing in a ball and hid them in a
Speaker 2: thick part of undergrowth. Her body was found the next day.
Speaker 2: So Andre. He was forty five, and now he knew
Speaker 2: he wasn't at it well. He needed suffering. He wanted
Speaker 2: to see the pain of his victims, to hear them
Speaker 2: cry out in agony. That is how he got his kicks.
Speaker 2: He did not rape in the ordinary sense, knowing that
Speaker 2: failure was almost preordained, he often made no attempt to
Speaker 2: have intercourse. Instead, he merely masturbated over their bodies, as
Speaker 2: if desperately trying to convince himself of his own adequacy.
Speaker 2: He tried to push his sperm into them with his hand.
Speaker 2: His satisfaction, however, came from the thrust of his knight
Speaker 2: and the blows from his fists. It was no coincidence,
Speaker 2: either that he chose to kill in the woods. Here,
Speaker 2: of all places, he felt secure and at home, said
Speaker 2: Pete unquote. And that's from Peter CONRADI he's the author
Speaker 2: of The Red Ripper. On June twelfth, nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 2: while on a business trip to the town of zaslovskias
Speaker 2: a thirteen year old lu Ubaid was next. They both
Speaker 2: missed the bus together. He heard right she had been
Speaker 2: walking home from a shopping trip, and Andre began making
Speaker 2: casual conversation as he normally does. He began walking with
Speaker 2: her down the sidewalk until the two were covered by
Speaker 2: the surrounding bushes. He took his opportunity to jump on
Speaker 2: her from behind and dragged her into the bushes. He
Speaker 2: began undressing her and she was screaming. He stabbed her
Speaker 2: in the stomach. He would do this twenty two more times,
Speaker 2: but all over her body neck, head, chest, pelvic region,
Speaker 2: and as he did that, he would continue to gyrate
Speaker 2: against her until the orgasm. After the deed was done,
Speaker 2: he gouged out her eyes and quickly covered her up
Speaker 2: with the underbrush. Then he grabbed her clothes and shopping
Speaker 2: bag and threw them into the woods before taking off.
Speaker 2: She was found a little less than two weeks later,
Speaker 2: her body badly decomposed by that time. But this incident
Speaker 2: here showed him how easy it is to cozy up
Speaker 2: to complete strangers while at public transportation stops, so he
Speaker 2: would use his charm, talkative nature, and non threatening looks
Speaker 2: to his advantage. He also used the title of teacher
Speaker 2: as often as he could, seeing as that made him
Speaker 2: somehow more trustworthy and less of a threat. Before nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty two had come to an end, Andre took the
Speaker 2: lives of six more innocent people. Fourteen year old Luba
Speaker 2: Bolo boy Yea on July twenty fifth, nine year old
Speaker 2: old leg Posha div on August thirteenth, sixteen year old
Speaker 2: Olga Puprina on August sixteenth, nineteen year old Irena Karabelle
Speaker 2: Nuka on September eighth, fifteen year old Sergei Kuzman on
Speaker 2: September fifteenth, and ten year old Olga Thalma Chenok on
Speaker 2: December eleventh. And this is where I'm going to end
Speaker 2: this half Andre's story. I'm gonnachristy girl. Oh nice. If
Speaker 2: I went through the whole story today, I think it
Speaker 2: would it would just it's such a heavy cloud that
Speaker 2: you can't even wrap your head around someone so awful.
Speaker 2: It's like a human beast, right, you know, like a
Speaker 2: mad dog. You can't make a man a rabid dog regular.
Speaker 2: You gotta put it down.
Speaker 3: Right, right right? Yeah, So get ready for.
Speaker 2: Some absolute or children. So thank you, she I pleasure.
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Speaker 1: I know it's so fucking crazy, like the thing that
Speaker 1: gets me always, and I know this is true for
Speaker 1: a lot of people. It's always just the psychology behind it,
Speaker 1: Like how did you become this horrendous monster, Like what
Speaker 1: were you born that way? You know what happened in
Speaker 1: the womb? Were you exposed to you know? Did your
Speaker 1: mom take too many tilana?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: You know how they you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: they warn you against don't eat tuna fish or at
Speaker 1: least when I was pregnant, right when we were pregnant,
Speaker 1: tony tuna fish. Don't change the cat litter? Like did
Speaker 1: his mom change the cat litter one too many times?
Speaker 1: And now he's a serial killer.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just yes, it's the butterfly effect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the littlest thing. I know.
Speaker 2: It could be the thing. I don't know, the rails
Speaker 2: Insteaan like.
Speaker 1: It is what makes one person.
Speaker 2: I always think that too, because even with my daughter,
Speaker 2: I'll be like Brook, But what's your thinking process? I
Speaker 2: want to know what thought followed? What thought? What to
Speaker 2: get you to this decision?
Speaker 1: Thought processes are funny, especially when you have ADHD, because
Speaker 1: you just come back to the left field, but it
Speaker 1: all made sense up in your head, Like I went
Speaker 1: from A to B to CDD and now I.
Speaker 3: Met Jay, and Jay is the one I come out
Speaker 3: with when we start were here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, good times.
Speaker 1: Yes, until our next episode, my friend until our next time, Friend,
Speaker 1: I love you, I love you too.
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you