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<v Speaker 6>The all right, we're back for another open forum debate,

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<v Speaker 6>and the reason for today's open form is if we

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<v Speaker 6>had some interesting exchanges once again on X As you

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<v Speaker 6>can imagine. Basically, there was a statement that Daniel Kikachu,

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<v Speaker 6>who have already debated, wants to do the debate together

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<v Speaker 6>with I don't know who, presumably Jake, I'm not sure,

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<v Speaker 6>and Muhammed hit Job will not do it, so he

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<v Speaker 6>bowed out.

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<v Speaker 3>I will have.

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<v Speaker 6>Hanged this over to Jake and Hikikachu. I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>why he can't defend his position. I think isn't he

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<v Speaker 6>does any brag about memorizing the Quran or something, so

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<v Speaker 6>it seems like he would be able to debate it.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, maybe he doesn't do debates. I haven't

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<v Speaker 6>kept up, but we've already debated Daniel and Jake. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>if that's what we have to end up doing, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course Sam has already agreed to it, so they're

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<v Speaker 6>like Sam is running. So Daniel puts up a tweet

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<v Speaker 6>saying that everyone will run or excuse me, that Sam

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<v Speaker 6>will run and that I will run, even though I've

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<v Speaker 6>already debated both him and Jake. Of the comments in

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<v Speaker 6>the comments section of Modern Day Debate, which is like

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<v Speaker 6>thousands of comments that Daniel lost. But we're scared. I'm scared.

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<v Speaker 6>We're both scared. We're running, We're we're canceling. That's what

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<v Speaker 6>Daniel claims. Let me find Daniel's tweet here, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>they're like, there's such gas letters. They don't even like,

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<v Speaker 6>they're like, you made this up. The Sam slow backed

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<v Speaker 6>out of two debates. It's weird. He wets himself when

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<v Speaker 6>he hears my name. I think Jay Dyer one which

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<v Speaker 6>is not me, some other that's some black dude. And

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<v Speaker 6>Sam told Myron that they would not debate me and

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<v Speaker 6>Jake because it would be an instant loss. Now Daniel

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<v Speaker 6>knows he's just saying this for attention, because we all

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<v Speaker 6>know what the comments say. Underneath the modern day debate

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<v Speaker 6>channels debate that I had with Daniel, and they're ninety

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<v Speaker 6>nine percent laughing at Daniel. So they play these games

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<v Speaker 6>and they gaslight everybody as if they've dominated in every debate.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the same thing that the Romanchalvics do. Ready to

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<v Speaker 6>do this exact same thing. Even if the comments are

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<v Speaker 6>ninety nine percent that Daniel was demolished, the Muslims go

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<v Speaker 6>and cheer that they won the debate. And it's the

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<v Speaker 6>same with the Jake debate. Everybody's making fun of Jake,

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<v Speaker 6>getting it mad and yelling and gibbering and shaking like

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<v Speaker 6>he's got Parkinson's. And then they're all like, he won,

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<v Speaker 6>he wanted a bit, he wanted a.

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<v Speaker 2>Bit he want'.

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<v Speaker 6>That's my remix. That's the remix of it right there. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 6>we're gonna goead and open it up because there's not

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<v Speaker 6>much time because the entire world will be watching Elon

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<v Speaker 6>Musk and Donald Trump. I don't know if you guys

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<v Speaker 6>ever heard of them. Are you all familiar with those two?

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<v Speaker 6>Have you heard of Trump or Musquet? Many of you

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<v Speaker 6>probably have not. They will be interviewing here soon, so

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<v Speaker 6>we might as well get started, because I'm sure everybody

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<v Speaker 6>will be watching that instead. Andrew Meyer is in the mix.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh oh uh oh oh oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 6>I was hoping the Muslims would come. They're always so

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<v Speaker 6>loud and talking so much hot air bravado hutspa I

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<v Speaker 6>believe is the technical term, and it's so hard to

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<v Speaker 6>get them to come debate anyway. It's open for him.

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<v Speaker 6>That means the topics are listed as Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Arianism,

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<v Speaker 6>Hebrew Roots, et cetera. If a Jewish person would like

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<v Speaker 6>to debate, they can also call in a debate. It's

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<v Speaker 6>open for him. Just keep your topics to those topics.

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<v Speaker 6>That means that if you call in to ask me

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<v Speaker 6>about your favorite poetry reading, your whatever box wine you've

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<v Speaker 6>had as a wine mom, I'm not interested, don't care.

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<v Speaker 6>If you want to talk about basic FAQs, that's not

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<v Speaker 6>for tonight. I'm not doing faus. That happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 6>You can go find all your FAQs elsewhere the topics

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<v Speaker 6>are listed. If you want to talk about potential debates

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<v Speaker 6>with sneak O the circles of Tate hit Job who

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<v Speaker 6>has declined the debate, that's also a topic as well. Andrew,

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<v Speaker 6>what's up, Jay?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey man, I literally just debated Daniel on modern day debate. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that I did a screen.

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<v Speaker 7>Share of my document because I was reading off my

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<v Speaker 7>sources and such, and you know, I always thinking that

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<v Speaker 7>I would even be able to screen shair.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know I could do that.

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<v Speaker 7>So my document was called how Pikachu Debate because I

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<v Speaker 7>saw you call him Daniel, how Pikachu?

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<v Speaker 6>So wait, what did you two debate?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, we were.

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<v Speaker 2>Discussing the Talmud.

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<v Speaker 7>He was telling people that the Talmud gives Jews license

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<v Speaker 7>to rape anybody they want.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, that was a very educational bait for Daniel

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of his viewers.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, no matter how you debate with Daniel and Muslims,

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<v Speaker 6>they will immediately declare that you lost and they will

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<v Speaker 6>clip everything with twenty second clips. So it seems to

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<v Speaker 6>be really just kind of a means to clipping twenty

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<v Speaker 6>second clips is really what it ends up being.

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<v Speaker 7>I will say, you know, some of the people, like

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<v Speaker 7>the first major comment on the YouTube that got likes,

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<v Speaker 7>it's a guy with the Kaba the Islamic rock saying

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<v Speaker 7>Andrew the Jew completely cooked. And another comment was like

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<v Speaker 7>I followed Daniel. I love Daniel, but like Andrew creamed

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<v Speaker 7>and crammed him, is what the guy said.

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<v Speaker 3>So some of them are honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them are honest because it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much a shutout.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, well, I'm going over here. We'll look at the comments.

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<v Speaker 6>Anything you want to leave us with, people can go

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<v Speaker 6>check out your debate. I'm interested to watch that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, the Mohammed jab the guy said that it's worse

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<v Speaker 7>to be a Christian than a homosex and in his religion,

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<v Speaker 7>homosexuals deserve death.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's a pretty nasty.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing to say.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think anybody like that.

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<v Speaker 7>Not paying attention to those type of statements, Like I

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<v Speaker 7>think everybody that believes in God, there is an alliance

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<v Speaker 7>that can be made in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>But we have to sort out things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>First.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to be aware of who you're talking to.

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<v Speaker 7>Somebody thinks that you're worse than someone that deserves death,

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<v Speaker 7>you got to be aware of that.

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<v Speaker 6>So is this the debate, the one that's titled is

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<v Speaker 6>the Torah's treatment of non Jews? Ethical?

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<v Speaker 7>Is that it?

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<v Speaker 2>That's it?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay? Yeah, well, thank you Andrew I'll check that out.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it your religion, bro?

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 6>That is a debate we don't see often. Now, we

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<v Speaker 6>did have a Jewish individual debate the other day. He

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<v Speaker 6>and I were debating the passages in the Torah and

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<v Speaker 6>the prophets. So the accusation that I never debate anyone

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<v Speaker 6>who's Jewish is not true. We just don't simply have

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<v Speaker 6>We simply don't have that many Jews at calling to debate.

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<v Speaker 6>But we had one last week and it went on

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<v Speaker 6>for I don't know, thirty forty five minutes. So it's

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<v Speaker 6>just simply not true. I'm typically open to debating anybody

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<v Speaker 6>if they're sane. I don't debate like totally crazy wacko

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<v Speaker 6>people unless they're really entertaining than we do. So this

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<v Speaker 6>looks like an interesting debate. I would be interested to

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<v Speaker 6>see how this went down. Let's look at Let's see

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<v Speaker 6>what the reactions are, because I want to I want

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<v Speaker 6>to look really quickly at the We'll look at the

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<v Speaker 6>reactions between the debate that I had, not the Torah,

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<v Speaker 6>the Talmud, modern day debate, blah blah blah, Daniel Hikikachu.

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<v Speaker 6>So let's see a lot of Muslims Daniel's entertaining Daniel

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<v Speaker 6>one pleasant conversation Aqem Elijah on at least Jews don't

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<v Speaker 6>force their beliefs on each other. Well, this is a

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<v Speaker 6>difference that I think a lot of people don't take

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<v Speaker 6>into account because people are always saying, why don't you

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<v Speaker 6>debate more Jews. Jews are not really proselytizers, so their

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<v Speaker 6>faith is not centered on making as many converts. So

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<v Speaker 6>that's one reason why there's not a lot of Jewish debates.

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<v Speaker 6>All Daniel does is Gish gallop. I don't like either religion.

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<v Speaker 6>Daniel is a pdf all right, so we'll check that

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<v Speaker 6>one out. If I've ever seen him Muslim versus Jewish debate,

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<v Speaker 6>I've never ever seen that, So that's that will be

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<v Speaker 6>interesting to see. Now, let's see the comments between me

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<v Speaker 6>and Daniel, because those are quite a hoot. Never mind,

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<v Speaker 6>we don't have time for that. You can go read

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<v Speaker 6>those comments on your own if you want to, because

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<v Speaker 6>they're they're a hoot. Let's see, Zerky police be upon me.

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<v Speaker 6>You got on mute bro, all right, we lost we

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<v Speaker 6>lost him. Sam Shamun. Is he in that you're saying

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<v Speaker 6>he's in the quay? Let me see I don't see

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<v Speaker 6>him on here. How are you saying Sam wants to join?

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<v Speaker 6>Sam can join in on the Twitter? Is he not

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<v Speaker 6>use Twitter? If he wants to hop in, he can?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't care. Okay, I know I see your comments,

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<v Speaker 6>but I don't have a I have to switch it

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<v Speaker 6>over to tell Sam to join through the Twitter space,

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<v Speaker 6>and I'll have him on if he hops on the

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<v Speaker 6>Twitter space. But I've already set up this stream to

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<v Speaker 6>where my display is this and it's not collab cam.

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<v Speaker 6>I might could turn on collab cam.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me see. Let's see if Sam can join through

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<v Speaker 6>Twitter space first, that would be the easiest, and then

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<v Speaker 6>if he can't, I'll try to see if I can

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<v Speaker 6>change the window capture to collab cam. I Mike can

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<v Speaker 6>do that in the middle of a stream. I don't

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<v Speaker 6>know if I've tried that before. So, but the easiest

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<v Speaker 6>thing would be if Sam can just join the Twitter space.

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<v Speaker 6>He messages me on Skype, I can't play the If

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<v Speaker 6>I play Sam's message, it'll shut down the Twitter space.

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<v Speaker 6>So the easiest thing is if he just joins up.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's see Cody, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello Jay, Hey, how's it going, brother? What's up, man,

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<v Speaker 3>not much, man, thank you so much for having me on.

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<v Speaker 9>I just wanted to talk about Protestantism and I wanted

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<v Speaker 9>to just bring up what do you what do you

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<v Speaker 9>think about the one Bible verse that says that wherever

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<v Speaker 9>more than one and gather something like that, then I

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<v Speaker 9>shall be there too. A lot of Protestants used that

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<v Speaker 9>to justify the idea that the church felt a way

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<v Speaker 9>and that there was need for reformation.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about that?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, this actually goes back to the Jewish tradition because

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<v Speaker 6>Jews had this idea that you need a certain number

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<v Speaker 6>of people there to have what's the term that he's

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<v Speaker 6>But it still doesn't mean that there's not an appointed

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<v Speaker 6>place for worship to occur. Does that make sense? Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>So Sam's here, Sam, if you want to join, and

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<v Speaker 6>you're welcome to Let's see if I can invite him

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<v Speaker 6>to come on.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha? Okay, thank you, Jay, I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. I mean, in other words, you can't like take

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<v Speaker 6>the verses. So the same principle could be true, like

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<v Speaker 6>somebody's house to do prayers. Is God in our midst Sure,

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<v Speaker 6>like that would be a false either or because the

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<v Speaker 6>rest of the passages after that, you know, as we

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<v Speaker 6>get into the New Testament, Jesus explains that the church

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<v Speaker 6>is established around the bishops. So you see what I'm saying, Like,

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<v Speaker 6>the principle is true and it is also it's like

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<v Speaker 6>John four where Jesus says that worship will no longer

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<v Speaker 6>just be in Jerusalem when the Messiah. Now the messiahs comed,

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<v Speaker 6>he says to the woman in the well, worship will

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<v Speaker 6>be done to the Father all over the world. Right,

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<v Speaker 6>does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay? So in other words, the rest of the passage

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<v Speaker 6>will also informed this. It's not a denial of the

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<v Speaker 6>place for liturgical worship, like I mean, Jesus doesn't mention

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<v Speaker 6>the Lord's Supper in that passage, right, So when we

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<v Speaker 6>conclude from that, oh well, I guess the Lord's sawper

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<v Speaker 6>is not necessary because this verse doesn't mention that. It

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<v Speaker 6>just says get together and pray.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I feel like a lot of Protestants take an

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a little starstruck being here with you and Sam

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<v Speaker 3>as well, So anybody hear me.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, what's up?

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<v Speaker 5>Sam?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey?

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<v Speaker 3>Brother, what's up?

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<v Speaker 3>I was told you're calling out the Muslim so I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to come. Sure and you for that segment because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm also live streaming. But what's going on? Muslim's buddy

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<v Speaker 3>talk to me, Jake.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we got to open for him here. I don't

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<v Speaker 6>know how many Muslims are in the space. It's always

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<v Speaker 6>kind of a random thing as to who shows up.

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<v Speaker 6>I've invited multiple Muslims to come today. I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>if they will. Let's see if we got a Muslim here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I want to set the record.

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<v Speaker 6>Sweep because I know, yeah, please do you and me.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I gotta be careful what I say because

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<v Speaker 3>I got two strikes on YouTube and Daniel how key

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<v Speaker 3>could you is responsible for the first one. So if

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<v Speaker 3>I get a third one and the next ninety days,

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<v Speaker 3>my account will be Dolle. So I got to be

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<v Speaker 3>careful what I say because I'm on YouTube now because

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<v Speaker 3>they just told me your life for the set the

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<v Speaker 3>record straight. I have the receipts Donnie for standing for truth.

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<v Speaker 3>I reached out to him, and I even have the

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<v Speaker 3>receipts for modern day debate, a platform I will never

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<v Speaker 3>work with because he turned out to be dishonest. But

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<v Speaker 3>I challenge Daniel Hakikachu and I got the receipts, I

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<v Speaker 3>got the emails and Donnie can confirm. I challenge Daniel

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<v Speaker 3>Hakikachu to debate me on four topics. One topic was

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<v Speaker 3>Muhammed's view of the Bible, and I'm gonna explain why

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<v Speaker 3>I always start with that. Second topic would be the

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<v Speaker 3>Krawn is it filled with contradictions and errors? Third topic,

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<v Speaker 3>we would discuss whether the Trinity is fond and scripture.

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<v Speaker 3>Fourth topic, whether Stamp teaches pure monetism. So this is

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<v Speaker 3>my challenge. Now, I understand that Daniel is not the

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<v Speaker 3>sharpest tool in the shed, and I hope the Muslims

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<v Speaker 3>are hearing this because I would love to learn him

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<v Speaker 3>to show up now and put me in my place,

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<v Speaker 3>because he claims I'm running. He comes back and accepts

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<v Speaker 3>three and then he wants to debate about the authenticity

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<v Speaker 3>of scriptures. Now, Jay, you're a master of logic. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not I try to stay with scripture. I'm not that

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<v Speaker 3>good in logic. If I challenge you to debate me

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<v Speaker 3>Mohammed's view of the Bible and then you come back

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<v Speaker 3>and propose a topic the authenticity of the Christian scriptures?

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<v Speaker 3>Am I missing something here?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I like?

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a disconnect? Because if I'm debating you Mohammed's

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<v Speaker 3>view the Bible to show you that Mohammad taught that

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible is uncrumpt, but then you want to then

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<v Speaker 3>debate me again on the authenticity of scriptures, that means

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<v Speaker 3>either this man didn't get it or he wants to

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<v Speaker 3>do jihad against Muhammad. Because once I established that Muhammad

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<v Speaker 3>taught that the Bible's uncrrupt, he cannot attack the Bible

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<v Speaker 3>if he's going to stay I'm listener. Now, am I

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<v Speaker 3>missing something here? Help me with logic? J I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>that sure.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I wouldn't call even say I'm an expert in logic,

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<v Speaker 6>but I mean I know enough basic principles of you know,

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<v Speaker 6>fallacies that there's certain things that they won't. We know

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<v Speaker 6>that they're not going to debate you on anything textual.

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<v Speaker 6>They'll only debate what they think is a safe space. So,

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<v Speaker 6>for example, Jake, Jake's never going to debate anything textual,

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<v Speaker 6>nothing to do with anything revelation in scripture or anything

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<v Speaker 6>like that. He would they admittedly would not do well there.

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<v Speaker 6>So Jake's only interested in quote metaphysics. But I don't

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<v Speaker 6>even think Jake understands metaphysics very well based on what

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<v Speaker 6>we debated. Now, another thing I want to touch on

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<v Speaker 6>to Sam is that people were misunderstanding all the Muslims

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<v Speaker 6>today on Twitter because Myron's tweet ended up getting like

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<v Speaker 6>six hundred thousand views, and that they misunderstood that. They

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<v Speaker 6>thought that you were only calling out sneak O and Uthman.

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<v Speaker 6>You were offering one on one debates with all the

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<v Speaker 6>people that you called out, and you agreed to a

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<v Speaker 6>two versus two with me as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, let me set that straight, Jape. It's something he

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<v Speaker 3>put a video mocking me about my analogies for the Trinity. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I promise Jake, and I hope he's listening. I promise

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<v Speaker 3>Jake that I wouldn't attack him personally. Because Jake, it's public.

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<v Speaker 3>He has MS, so I want to extend grace to

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<v Speaker 3>him and pray for him that God will use that

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<v Speaker 3>to bring him to the truth, and that because he's young,

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<v Speaker 3>MS is not something to laugh at. So I promised him, Look,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to make it personal with you. We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to keep it professional. Well, he did a video,

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<v Speaker 3>brought up a clip mocking me about my Trinitian analogies,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know how it is being Middle Eastern Assyrian

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<v Speaker 3>hot blooded. May God constrain me so I don't send

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<v Speaker 3>him my anger. I said, Okay, Jake, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>I'll call you out. You and I got a debate,

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<v Speaker 3>Mono Imano. You and I are going to debate. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to contact Donnie for Standing for Truth. He's one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most fair moderators on the planet standing for truth,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm going to be doing a live stream where

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to call you out first. Now, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>that part they didn't put on Twitter, but it's on

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<v Speaker 3>my YouTube and rumble. I'm challenging tobate me Mohammed's view

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<v Speaker 3>of the Bible, and then whether the Bible teaches a

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<v Speaker 3>trinity and whether Slam teaches pure monotheism, but we have

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<v Speaker 3>to start with the foundational one Mohammed's view the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>I contact them, he goes Okay. Then in that video,

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<v Speaker 3>I said that I doubt Jake will have the courage

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<v Speaker 3>to debate me on that. He can then bring Daniel

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<v Speaker 3>Hakikachu to join him on these three topics, and I'll

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<v Speaker 3>do those two against me, and I go call my bluff,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm challenging Sneiko and Uthman and Muhammad to debate

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<v Speaker 3>me on these three. That's something different from you and I.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree to join you, and it can be anyone

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<v Speaker 3>on the planet. Let him bring shiverer Ali, I will

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<v Speaker 3>join you on fresh and fit I will follow your

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<v Speaker 3>lead to debate any of them. So now that it's clear,

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<v Speaker 3>stop the lies, Muslims, stop risk representing the facts. So Jay,

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<v Speaker 3>you let me know if anyone accepts. I know you're

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<v Speaker 3>already school Daniel Hakakachu and you already owned Jay. And

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<v Speaker 3>I saw that Muhammada Joab wants to run. But if

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<v Speaker 3>Muhammed a Job wants to bring Daniel, I don't mind him.

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<v Speaker 3>And Daniel, you and I, but you set the perimeters right.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think they said yeah, go ahead, Yes.

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<v Speaker 11>Sim I just don't see the issue. For I am Muslim,

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<v Speaker 11>so I'm biased.

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<v Speaker 5>But you are not accepting a two on two on

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<v Speaker 5>modern day debates, which is pretty much the debate platform.

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<v Speaker 3>That's actually a lie. Have you seen my emails when

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<v Speaker 3>I publish them or you're gonna lie like a good takiast?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you see the emails? Why did I make and.

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<v Speaker 11>I didn't even make a statement.

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<v Speaker 3>No, because you said modern day debate, I actually agree

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<v Speaker 3>to modern day debate to debate Danie hock Chu and

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<v Speaker 3>I propose the four topics.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not talking about what happened in the past. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>talking about this two v two that is being presented now.

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<v Speaker 6>Why would we do it on lot of the debate?

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<v Speaker 6>Why would we do that on modern day debate when

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<v Speaker 6>that's already going to be on myrons?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and let me let me correct you. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 3>didn't listen to the first ten times after Modern Day

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<v Speaker 3>Debate proved that he's not a man of integrity, I

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<v Speaker 3>won't go on his channel now if they want to

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<v Speaker 3>do it too on two Fresh and Fit? Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>what's wrong with fresh and Fit? Okay? I mean that

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<v Speaker 3>seems that seems you know that seems in your world

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<v Speaker 3>kissing of Blackstone seems like monotheism. We don't care what

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<v Speaker 3>it seems to you.

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<v Speaker 12>Get them onto on fresh and fit, amazing manner, dude,

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<v Speaker 12>I guess no much better matters than Muhammed whom mount

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<v Speaker 12>a nine year old and had you do muta and

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<v Speaker 12>had your captive women Blackstone young men.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Jay, you'll let me know when the Pagans are

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<v Speaker 3>bold enough to step up to the plate and debate

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<v Speaker 3>you and I. Yeah, and if you need me to

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<v Speaker 3>come back if they join, just let me know on Skype.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll join you because I just wanted to set the

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<v Speaker 3>record straight because I'm on a livestream. But I will

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<v Speaker 3>interrupted become if they come up.

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<v Speaker 6>And if you want me to join it, yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean there's we got Muslims coming in if they

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<v Speaker 6>want to debate.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, if they want to, yeah, but are they

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<v Speaker 3>gonna do it or they're gonna start whining and making excuses? So, Jay,

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 6>If that's okay, Well why can't you don't want to

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<v Speaker 6>talk to both of us? I'll bring another Muslim up.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean I guess this would this topic would

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<v Speaker 5>kind of not be for Sam Shampoo running from s Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you almost from Landing. Yeah, man, I'm running from Blackstone. Hey, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>click this up?

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<v Speaker 13>Hey, why did you run away from SnO Park?

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<v Speaker 14>It was three of you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the crook David would come on. I know

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<v Speaker 3>my people, I know, come on, why did you run away?

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<v Speaker 13>Your brother?

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<v Speaker 3>Tell you? Let me lick the Blackstone become a poor

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<v Speaker 3>collegies listening. I respect you, man, I'm sorry. I was

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<v Speaker 3>trying to in front of you run away, but everybody

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<v Speaker 3>else you your profit didn't run away. Why do you

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<v Speaker 3>like to run away and call Muslims out? Like Muhammed

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<v Speaker 3>who didn't do it from the front, but he went behind.

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<v Speaker 3>I wore her dress? What about your wife?

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<v Speaker 2>I heard about your wife? What about you?

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<v Speaker 6>So if we're gonna do it, how is he running?

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<v Speaker 6>How is he running? If we're gonna do it? This guy,

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<v Speaker 6>this guy is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>He ran away from.

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<v Speaker 2>J J.

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<v Speaker 5>So I kind of wanted to ask you some questions

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<v Speaker 5>that would you know, benefit the audience. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm here with sincerity because like I've like I view

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<v Speaker 5>you as somebody that's like relatively intellectual.

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<v Speaker 6>Like what's get to the question. What's the question?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so I'm trying. I'm trying to understand.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you have three persons.

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<v Speaker 5>With one nature, which is divine, and you have three

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<v Speaker 5>persons with one nature, which is you know, human, how

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<v Speaker 5>is that not three gods? The same way it is

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<v Speaker 5>it three humans?

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<v Speaker 6>Because it's an analogy, and all analogies break down at

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<v Speaker 6>certain points. The point precisely at which the analogy breaks

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<v Speaker 6>down is that the three persons are not separate beings,

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<v Speaker 6>like three humans are separate beings. So the analogy is

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<v Speaker 6>just between the relationship of nature to person, not three

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<v Speaker 6>separate beings. So in the same way you understand that

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<v Speaker 6>as a Muslim, you believe the same thing about the attributes.

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<v Speaker 5>Just one second, just before we get into that, I

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<v Speaker 5>kind of want to understand your view more so, is

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<v Speaker 5>the being.

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<v Speaker 3>Numerically identical?

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<v Speaker 5>Meaning object one and object two have every single thing

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<v Speaker 5>about them the same?

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<v Speaker 6>No, or, I'll say, wouldn't be distinct persons.

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<v Speaker 3>So the the being is not numerically identical to God.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't understand that something can be similar and different

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<v Speaker 6>in different ways. They don't have to all. It's not

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<v Speaker 6>an either or. That's what an analogy is. So you're

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<v Speaker 6>confusing the analogy as if everything in the created aspect

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<v Speaker 6>that's an analogy to what we're talking about, has to

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<v Speaker 6>match up one to one, and it's not that way.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't see what created has to do

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<v Speaker 3>with this.

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<v Speaker 6>Though you said three human beings, those are creatures.

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<v Speaker 11>No, no, no, no, I asked you about God and

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<v Speaker 11>the same being.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but your original question was an analogy to three

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<v Speaker 6>human beings and three divine persons. That's an analogy. Do

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<v Speaker 6>you understand what let's let's rewind. Do you know what

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<v Speaker 6>analogy is? First of all?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, sure, what it's comparing things to show the.

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<v Speaker 6>Same point or but there's also what is it a

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<v Speaker 6>one to one.

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<v Speaker 3>And an analogy should be one to one?

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<v Speaker 6>No, that's not an analogy. Okay, so you don't even

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<v Speaker 6>know basic grammar, so there.

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<v Speaker 5>So there isn't a way to represent with like you know,

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<v Speaker 5>a sound analogy what you're trying.

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<v Speaker 6>To So there's unifical predication, equivocal predication, and there's an

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<v Speaker 6>analogical predication. So what you said is that there's a

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<v Speaker 6>one to one, right, that's not analogy. That's different.

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<v Speaker 5>No, that's that's that's regarding numerical identity, right, I asked you,

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<v Speaker 5>is God numerically identical to the being?

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<v Speaker 2>The one being?

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<v Speaker 6>The word being is just like the word God. It

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<v Speaker 6>can pick out different things. It's a generic term. It's

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<v Speaker 6>not a proper noun. Okay. And that's your mistake is

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<v Speaker 6>that you think that it only picks out one thing.

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<v Speaker 6>But even in your own theology, it picks out different

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<v Speaker 6>things things because you think Allah has attributes and you

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<v Speaker 6>think that, and let me, I can just ask you

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<v Speaker 6>if you think the attributes are possessed a sayety.

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<v Speaker 3>And I have a question for him about that. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>you can define.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm still ask about my own theological schools. So

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<v Speaker 5>I don't really have a response. What I'm responding to, Jake.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you a question to see your consistency.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you want to run it's okay.

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<v Speaker 11>So how is saying that I don't have asked the question.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have enough knowledge regarding my own geological spending.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have enough knowledge of Jay's theological tradition.

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<v Speaker 11>But what you hear, that's why I'm asking him questions.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you're not asking questions to learn because every time

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<v Speaker 3>he tries to explain it. See, this is the problem, Jay.

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<v Speaker 3>They just want to talk over people. So the coward

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't want to defend his own politicism, pretending to know Sham,

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<v Speaker 3>I was having a good conversation with Jay. You're literally like, Jay,

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<v Speaker 3>are you having a good conversation I'm having You're having.

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<v Speaker 6>Like, Well, the conversation is. Look, I mean you're you're

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<v Speaker 6>confusing analogical predication with unifical predication. So unifical means in

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<v Speaker 6>the same sense. So if I said that the threeeness

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<v Speaker 6>of human beings is identical to the threness of divine persons,

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<v Speaker 6>that would be unifical predication. That's a one to one.

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<v Speaker 6>An Analogy is when there's aspects of it that are

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<v Speaker 6>similar and aspects that are not similar. Hence analogy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 6>do you understand that, But do you understand that you

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<v Speaker 6>do the same thing in Islam when you talk about

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<v Speaker 6>Allah having similarities to creatures, even though your Kuran says

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<v Speaker 6>in forty two that there's no similarities between alline creatures.

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<v Speaker 6>You do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Understand that, Yeah, but he's committing chirk. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>let me explain to you how he's committing shirk. God Sam,

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<v Speaker 3>You're you're why he's committing shirk. Why Jay, if he's

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<v Speaker 3>on your team, man, good luck on the deba. Yeah, okay, Jay,

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<v Speaker 3>let me explain to you as they try to tell

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<v Speaker 3>cover because that's what they do. They try to dominate

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<v Speaker 3>and bully. That's what narcissts do. In the Koran. Just

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<v Speaker 3>try and talk to j Well, you'd be not smart.

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<v Speaker 3>Chapter forty two, verse eleven. Chapter one, twelve four says

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<v Speaker 3>there's nothing comparable to a law. A form of shirk

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<v Speaker 3>is when you try to liken Allah to creatures. And

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<v Speaker 3>this is what you've been trying to hammer to him,

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<v Speaker 3>that when he used the analogy of three human beings

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<v Speaker 3>and somehow derived from that that the Trinity is identical.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you kept saying that analogy means there's similarities and differences.

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<v Speaker 3>He's now likening God to creation, which is a form

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<v Speaker 3>of shirk in Islamic theology. But he wouldn't know that

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<v Speaker 3>because memory pleaded ignorance.

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<v Speaker 5>About amazing argument, Sam, amazing Okay, Now tell me about

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<v Speaker 5>the Koran?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it uncreated or created?

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<v Speaker 15>Yo?

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<v Speaker 2>Ja?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, is there anything we're not going to answer that?

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<v Speaker 6>What about the Quran that I can talk to you,

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<v Speaker 6>is it uncreator created?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not. I'm not here to debate Islam.

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<v Speaker 6>Here you are, I'm talking about you. You're going attorney

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<v Speaker 6>in the question, of course you are.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying, dude, That's that's it. I'm I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to talk creative.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, what's wrong with Okay? Well do you want me

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<v Speaker 6>to ask you Sam's question about? How about? I just

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<v Speaker 6>asked you Sam's question?

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<v Speaker 16>Then?

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, yeah, good, I'm really not interested in that, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Why not?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean it's the same principle. Is all a one

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<v Speaker 6>or many?

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<v Speaker 3>So Jay asked for ask on my behalf, you'll be

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<v Speaker 3>my agent. Shelley is the creator, uncreator See if he's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna answer this.

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<v Speaker 6>Is this is so silly. He's right here. You can

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<v Speaker 6>hear what Sam saying. Come on, man, what what do

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<v Speaker 6>you think?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have someone else?

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<v Speaker 6>Because he's doctor. Let's see what doctor?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh he's this guy's a peace I like this guy?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he here? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I just want you gotta send me your notes.

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<v Speaker 3>I was still still getting this together, but I had

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<v Speaker 3>a comment for r J.

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<v Speaker 17>So, r J, you you just you can't go attacking

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<v Speaker 17>their theology when you don't have your own together.

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<v Speaker 3>I love you, man, You'll just hit a critical like if.

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<v Speaker 17>You if you believe that God's attributes are uncreated, eternal.

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<v Speaker 18>And they're not identical to God and they're not other

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<v Speaker 18>than God.

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<v Speaker 17>You can't go attacking a Trinitarian for believing something very

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<v Speaker 17>similar about his divine persons.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't do that, doctor Kelliam. Just so my audience

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<v Speaker 3>know who you are, doctor Khalil, and Danny. He is

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<v Speaker 3>an Ismaili, an Islamic philosopher. He actually debated Jake on

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<v Speaker 3>the incoherence of Toheed. This man is brilliant and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying it to say it. He is. I'm waiting

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<v Speaker 3>for your notes and it would be an honor if

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<v Speaker 3>you feel that I'm good enough to have you to

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<v Speaker 3>bring you on, because I know David had brought you

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<v Speaker 3>on because as in Ismaili, you actually believe that Christ

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<v Speaker 3>was crucified, did die, but as soul is alive? Am

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<v Speaker 3>I correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 17>Yes, okay, we're not the only ones who believe that

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<v Speaker 17>there are there Muslims historically minority will have you too.

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<v Speaker 3>You have my contact face because I reached out to

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<v Speaker 3>you for your notes. If you ever want to come

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<v Speaker 3>on and talk about your Ismayliism, your view of God

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<v Speaker 3>that it's nothing like the Athities and you have problems

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<v Speaker 3>with it. And if you want to talk about that,

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<v Speaker 3>the crowd does not categorically deny that Christ was killed

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<v Speaker 3>by a crucifixion, it'd be an honor for me to bring.

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<v Speaker 2>You on an interview.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, everyone should also watch Jake's debate with doctor Khalil too.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll watch that many times.

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<v Speaker 19>So that was a great debate, ye, speaking of debate

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<v Speaker 19>in the spirit off a friendly discourse and not not

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<v Speaker 19>at homing.

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<v Speaker 17>And I responded to your guised debate challenge, and I've

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<v Speaker 17>offered a three on three debate between three of you

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<v Speaker 17>and three of my people, again in a friendly academic spirit.

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<v Speaker 18>It's in a tweet.

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<v Speaker 17>And I've also proposed, because you guys don't know much

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<v Speaker 17>about our position and we don't know so much about yours,

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<v Speaker 17>so I've also proposed.

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<v Speaker 18>That bally, do we debate again in a proper way.

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<v Speaker 17>But I also have proposed a before the debate, long

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<v Speaker 17>before the debate, a public discovery session.

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<v Speaker 18>Where we would meet online and then we just.

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<v Speaker 17>Have like an open Q and A with each other

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<v Speaker 17>out Okay, what is your position on this? What is

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<v Speaker 17>your position on that?

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<v Speaker 18>I don't expect you to answer this right now, but

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<v Speaker 18>is doctor, that's no problem.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fine.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm open to anything. Like I'm always open to that

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<v Speaker 6>kind of stuff. I'm open.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I all for just one thing. Member of my

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<v Speaker 3>specialty fortee. Just so there in my background is scriptural exegesus.

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<v Speaker 3>The philosophical whiz would be Jay. So if I do discussions,

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<v Speaker 3>I prefer to make a textual based so I would

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<v Speaker 3>well be more than happy. Do you bring into others.

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<v Speaker 3>Jay's got me with him, he can bring someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do this.

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<v Speaker 17>So but yes, I understand that I don't know lich

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<v Speaker 17>debate because you guys have been proposing like three four topics.

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<v Speaker 17>I can't keep tracks. So I just responded to trinity

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<v Speaker 17>like your trinity model versus a Neil or Neil platonic

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<v Speaker 17>heat model. We can again think about it. We're happy

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<v Speaker 17>to discuss the specifics of what it would can what

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<v Speaker 17>it would cover, whether we just philosophy metaphysics, or whether

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<v Speaker 17>it be scripture and metaphysics, and we can we can

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<v Speaker 17>talk about that.

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<v Speaker 18>But it's just it's an open.

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<v Speaker 20>Call and it would be a debate in the technical sense,

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<v Speaker 20>but it won't be a debate in this popular sense

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<v Speaker 20>where everyone just you know, we're just trying to like

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<v Speaker 20>score points like WWE or something like.

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<v Speaker 18>We're not interested in that. What we're interested in.

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<v Speaker 17>It is sort of like a proper exchange of each

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<v Speaker 17>Each group's position is very clear, the arguments for and against.

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<v Speaker 17>And if you want an idea of what I'm talking about,

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<v Speaker 17>I've debated, and I put this in quotes. You know,

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<v Speaker 17>I've debated David Would a couple of times, right, yes,

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<v Speaker 17>And I've debated Joshua Side right also, And this is

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<v Speaker 17>what I have in mind. So, yeah, we have different views,

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<v Speaker 17>and I'm not going to pretend I have the same

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<v Speaker 17>view as you and vice versa. But you know, it

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<v Speaker 17>would be a proper sort of academic more of an

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<v Speaker 17>academic debate, like you know, when we see I'm sure

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<v Speaker 17>you've seen Christian philosophers debate each other on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 17>Pretty, they're pretty nice to each other. They're civil, nobody

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<v Speaker 17>insults the other person's mother or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 3>By way, just for the record, I was challenging the dies. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I understand that, I understand.

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<v Speaker 18>I totally see it. I know what you guys are doing.

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<v Speaker 18>And I'm not a part of that industry.

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<v Speaker 17>Exactly my agenda and from my colleaguesist we occasionally will

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<v Speaker 17>involve ourselves on this because we want to raise the discourse.

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<v Speaker 17>And frankly, we're tired of a marginal Celerfie theology, you know,

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<v Speaker 17>because celo fees are marginal, like their theology is marginal.

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<v Speaker 17>This is not even the majority of studies. But we're

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<v Speaker 17>sort of tired of this sort of like dominating the airwaves.

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<v Speaker 18>It sort of becomes old.

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<v Speaker 17>I mean, Jay already j beat Jake's celopism. I beat

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<v Speaker 17>Jake's celifism. It's just getting old now.

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<v Speaker 3>They just keep yeah and both person beat it too.

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<v Speaker 18>So how many losses are these guys going to take?

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<v Speaker 17>I think it's time for this, the more intellectually grounded

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<v Speaker 17>and philosophically.

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<v Speaker 18>Sophisticated positions to dialogue. And this is even what some

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<v Speaker 18>academics have said.

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<v Speaker 17>They've said that, look, if the dialogue partner of Christianity

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<v Speaker 17>was this spiritual philosophical Islam, you know, everything would be

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<v Speaker 17>quite different.

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<v Speaker 18>And I think that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with you, doctor, and I want people to

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<v Speaker 3>know you are not among these diies. You are respectful.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not just saying to say that I've seen your work.

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<v Speaker 3>You are professional.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 17>The irony of what you're saying is that the term

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<v Speaker 17>dae as a title was invented by the Ismileys.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow historical your language.

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, Dawa and die as formal titles of people at activity.

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<v Speaker 18>This is an ismili invention.

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<v Speaker 17>Nobody Smiley's called themselves dies and did die off our

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<v Speaker 17>dialogs different, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm sorry that they hijacked that term. But I

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<v Speaker 3>want people to know this man is a professional Islamic philosopher.

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<v Speaker 3>Watch his discussions. Very perfect. Fact my first introduction to you.

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<v Speaker 21>You may not know this.

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<v Speaker 3>Years ago you had a symposium on Christology. You were

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<v Speaker 3>representing a Smailism shiver Aali the sunny position, and he

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<v Speaker 3>had Tony Costa, and you had a Catholic representing the

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<v Speaker 3>Protestant Catholic view of Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 22>I remember it very well.

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<v Speaker 18>The video is still on my discussion.

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<v Speaker 3>It was excellent. That's kind of professional dialogue in debate,

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<v Speaker 3>superb because you gave your position, Shaver gave his position,

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<v Speaker 3>Tony Costa gave his position, and I forget the Catholic

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<v Speaker 3>man's name, but it was four perspectives on Jesus superb correct.

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<v Speaker 3>So my hat's off too. You are professional and you

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<v Speaker 3>are a gentleman.

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<v Speaker 18>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 3>The offers there.

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<v Speaker 18>Again, we take your time. We're happy to discuss specifics

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<v Speaker 18>at a later time. We're in no rush, so if

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<v Speaker 18>this doesn't happen for months, it's not a problem. But

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<v Speaker 18>we're just putting it out there.

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<v Speaker 3>You got so, Jay, it's in your court. If you

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<v Speaker 3>ever want me to join in this discussion, I'll do

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<v Speaker 3>the technical stuff. I'm here to do that because you're

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<v Speaker 3>the philosopher. I'm the textual guy that's saying that. I'm great,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 6>Sure, yeah, I appreciate that, Doctor Klow, appreciate that. Sam.

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<v Speaker 6>You guys are welcome to I'm happy to say something

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<v Speaker 6>up down the road for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, brother Jay, if you don't have any Muslims want

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<v Speaker 3>to debate us.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, there's all. There's a whole crew of Muslims.

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<v Speaker 3>But are they gonna talk or they're gonna insult in custom?

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<v Speaker 6>Let's say who's next. Let's say who's next? Right, go ahead, Hassan,

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<v Speaker 6>there here we go, gonna. I'm mute. Man, All we go, Hassan,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm mute.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want to talk as getting ready for the

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<v Speaker 3>attack and so it's guys.

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<v Speaker 6>Get ready, Hassan Shibley, un mute if you want to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, By the way, for those on my channels, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want you to confuse it with Sonny Islam. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Kott is more qualified to speak of his branch

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<v Speaker 3>of Islam. It comes out of the Shiat tradition solism, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and so sadly they've been persecuted by Sonny muscle. So

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<v Speaker 3>this is a group that's been targeted and persecuted by

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<v Speaker 3>Sunny Muslims. So he's not like these Sunney I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what to turn. I don't want to use you

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<v Speaker 3>anymore because it's from them.

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<v Speaker 12>They were persecuted and harassed by the larger Sudney community.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thank God for him because he puts them

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<v Speaker 3>in their place philosophically, textually.

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<v Speaker 6>But go ahead, hows on, I'm mute. Do you want

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<v Speaker 6>to talk? All right, we'll move on. If you're not

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<v Speaker 6>going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk, everyone, okay, we're on YouTube, man.

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<v Speaker 6>Go Stott, what's up? I'm mute. Stott. You want to talk,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm mute.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, oh salamlekum.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hm, ok.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we can hear you.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 23>To preface, I'm not a Muslim, I have perennials gleanings,

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<v Speaker 23>but I would like to ask your opinion on goofy tradition,

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<v Speaker 23>particularly the doctrine of debt we should or unity of

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<v Speaker 23>being a sort of atheist metaphysic put for it by I.

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<v Speaker 6>Just did a talk. I did a talk on that

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<v Speaker 6>the other day. Go ahead, no, no, I just.

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<v Speaker 3>Wanted to say, so people know what he's talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>Islamic panantheism. I but go ahead, yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 23>The core idea is that everything that exists is a reflection.

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<v Speaker 3>Of God's essence.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, that's a neo Patonic idea.

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<v Speaker 23>Well, it's derived from Neoplatonism. They had a great deal

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<v Speaker 23>of influence on the Arabic world at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why you should talk to doctor Khadid and Danny

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<v Speaker 3>because that's what's his position is.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, Okay, yeah, I would critique it by the traditional

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<v Speaker 6>critiques of neoplatonism, and many of the Church fathers actually

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<v Speaker 6>combated neoplatonism in various forms. So there's quite a few

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<v Speaker 6>of those basal critiques that affinaceous critiques it. In fact,

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<v Speaker 6>the Cappadocians argue that Neoplatonism is really the root of

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<v Speaker 6>most of the chrystological and trinitarian errors. There's a great

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<v Speaker 6>essay written by an Orthodox theologian, how Eunomius's position relies

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<v Speaker 6>on Neoplatonism. Let mess if I can find it.

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<v Speaker 23>Well, I'm shocked to hear that, because my existing notions

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<v Speaker 23>of Eastern Orthodoxy were like through you know, Pseudodonysis and

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<v Speaker 23>the like, who are greatly influenced by apathetic theology, which

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<v Speaker 23>is in turn derived from Platinis and such.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean, the fact that there's overlap at times

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<v Speaker 6>does not mean that ultimately that theology is derived from

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<v Speaker 6>that are based on that. In fact, Basil argues probably

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<v Speaker 6>more than any of them, against neoplatonism. I see, Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>and the paper I would recommend to you, Let me

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<v Speaker 6>see if I can find it. Let's see. I think

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<v Speaker 6>it's called something like Unomius's reliance on Platinus. Let me

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<v Speaker 6>see if I can find it. It's a really good

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<v Speaker 6>paper to make this point. It's got It's written by

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<v Speaker 6>a guy with the gigantic Greek, crazy Greek name. Let

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<v Speaker 6>me see, it's at Academia dot edu. So let me

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<v Speaker 6>go over there and search.

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<v Speaker 2>H h h, dang it.

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<v Speaker 6>What is the name of that paper? Let me think

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<v Speaker 6>for a.

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<v Speaker 23>Second here, Well, while you're occupied, I don't mean to

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<v Speaker 23>bombard you with questions, but what do you make of

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<v Speaker 23>the traditional school?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you're familiar with, say.

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<v Speaker 23>Seraph and rose and such, but what do you think

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<v Speaker 23>of that specific branch of perennial philosophy and a shoe

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<v Speaker 23>on coomber swelling and the like.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I have a shelf of their works back here

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<v Speaker 6>behind me. I had an interest in that in my twenties.

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<v Speaker 6>I read a few of their books. But no, I

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<v Speaker 6>think Orthodox Christianity is incompatible with with traditionalism printialism, although

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<v Speaker 6>I did just do a lecture on it the other day,

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<v Speaker 6>by the way, see.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, yes, m.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me look some more and I'll try to find

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<v Speaker 6>that paper and link it underneath this. Did you want

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<v Speaker 6>to say something else, doctor KLi, dang it, that's not it?

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<v Speaker 2>So that was it?

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<v Speaker 6>So that it's in our discord server. I know we

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<v Speaker 6>have the paper. I just can't find the public link

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<v Speaker 6>to it and I've read it three times. I can't

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<v Speaker 6>remember that Greek day's name though. All right, tell you what,

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<v Speaker 6>let me look really quick in the discord server in

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<v Speaker 6>the PDF bank and I can find it. Okay, here

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<v Speaker 6>we go, here we go. Here it is. The paper

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<v Speaker 6>is called Plotinus and Unomius, a parallel theology of three hypostases.

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<v Speaker 6>That's it.

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<v Speaker 18>I just cited that paper two weeks ago out of coal.

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, because I was trying to tell them that, okay

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<v Speaker 17>and Platinus that you know me and theology is very

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<v Speaker 17>similar to us.

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00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.039
<v Speaker 18>And somebody was like, no, it's not, and I was like, yes,

849
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:31.440
<v Speaker 18>it is, and then I cited the paper.

850
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:33.360
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, here's the paper. I finally found it. If you're

851
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:37.400
<v Speaker 6>looking for it right there, it is, and it's in

852
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.320
<v Speaker 6>the chat there, and then I'll try to put it

853
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.519
<v Speaker 6>underneath this chat later on. Did you want to say

854
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:43.800
<v Speaker 6>something else, doctor Koli.

855
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:49.920
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, just on this dropic of apple Fasis.

856
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.599
<v Speaker 17>But is it not the case that in Orthodoxy, like

857
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:58.440
<v Speaker 17>your position on the divine essence, like is apple Fasis correct?

858
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:02.199
<v Speaker 6>That's why we have the energies doctrine, because in the essence,

859
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:04.559
<v Speaker 6>we don't know the energies come down to us, as

860
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:05.519
<v Speaker 6>Basil says.

861
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.559
<v Speaker 18>But when when you say God is God essence plus

862
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:11.679
<v Speaker 18>energies or God is just essence.

863
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.880
<v Speaker 6>Energies are actions of God. So they're not composed, they're

864
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:19.960
<v Speaker 6>not composite parts. They're actions that God does or their attributes.

865
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.119
<v Speaker 18>Sorry, the energies are actions or attributes both.

866
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:29.360
<v Speaker 17>Okay, but then you know the son is the like

867
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:33.599
<v Speaker 17>dacheries and like they'll say openly because Ali says that, oh,

868
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:38.599
<v Speaker 17>the term allow referras to the essence and the attributes together.

869
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:41.679
<v Speaker 18>So for you like the term God, does it only

870
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:42.800
<v Speaker 18>refer to the essence?

871
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 6>No, it picks out any of those things. God picks

872
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:50.039
<v Speaker 6>out the word. God can pick out person, it can

873
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:54.199
<v Speaker 6>pick out essence, or it can pick out energy, attribute operation.

874
00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:58.679
<v Speaker 18>Does a pickout Does it ever pick out like like

875
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:03.639
<v Speaker 18>several of these things. It picks them all out but

876
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:05.719
<v Speaker 18>all at the same time? Or is it sort of

877
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:09.039
<v Speaker 18>just Sometimes essence sometimes.

878
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:11.760
<v Speaker 6>Mean well, I mean depending upon the context or the

879
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:14.840
<v Speaker 6>debate that's being had. For example, when pallet Must debates

880
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 6>with the Roman Catholics, it's typically you know, he's talking

881
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:20.679
<v Speaker 6>about it as an the word God as an energy

882
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.239
<v Speaker 6>or the work because God, if it refers to existence.

883
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:27.400
<v Speaker 6>The cappa Docians often say as an energy. Uh if

884
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:29.639
<v Speaker 6>it's picking out the divine essence even though we don't

885
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:31.880
<v Speaker 6>know it. And then it's picking out the essence, So

886
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:34.079
<v Speaker 6>it's it just depends on the context. There's no like

887
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:38.760
<v Speaker 6>one one to one only referring to this idea of

888
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:40.920
<v Speaker 6>what the word god is. In fact, that's why we're

889
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 6>always pointing out that in scripture it's even a rough

890
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.760
<v Speaker 6>it's it's even used of humans and angels. They're called

891
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:47.559
<v Speaker 6>gods at times.

892
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.920
<v Speaker 17>In your theology, is the do the deride? Essence is concrete, right,

893
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:55.480
<v Speaker 17>but it's not just abstract.

894
00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

895
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.920
<v Speaker 6>Yes, it only exists in the mode of the person's

896
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.239
<v Speaker 6>that have that essence. So it doesn't exist in any

897
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:05.639
<v Speaker 6>kind of higher abstract platonic idea or form or realm.

898
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:10.519
<v Speaker 6>So the essence only exists in the mode of the

899
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:13.119
<v Speaker 6>person of the Father and the son and the spirit.

900
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.960
<v Speaker 6>It doesn't exist like above them. They don't participate in it.

901
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:20.159
<v Speaker 6>It exists in them. As the word that we use

902
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:26.599
<v Speaker 6>is in hypostatic, in the mode of and we would

903
00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:28.920
<v Speaker 6>say the same thing for example of human nature as

904
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:32.119
<v Speaker 6>an analogy human nature, it doesn't exist in the abstract

905
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:35.559
<v Speaker 6>like in a platonic form, it exists in the mode

906
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:39.599
<v Speaker 6>of each individual person or hypostasis that possesses that human nature.

907
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:42.400
<v Speaker 6>But we think there is a distinction between nature and person.

908
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Is a real distinction, Yeah, we.

909
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:49.440
<v Speaker 6>Don't think distinctions entail composition or division.

910
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.480
<v Speaker 18>Nobody's a real distinction or is it just like a

911
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:54.400
<v Speaker 18>mental distinc No.

912
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:57.159
<v Speaker 6>It's a real distinction because for example, we don't believe

913
00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.519
<v Speaker 6>you can participate in God's essence, but we believe that

914
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:03.639
<v Speaker 6>grace is a participation in God's energies.

915
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:10.199
<v Speaker 17>And the energies there is attribute and energy just like

916
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:12.400
<v Speaker 17>two turns for the same Or are some of these

917
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:14.000
<v Speaker 17>energies that attributes.

918
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:15.800
<v Speaker 6>And some of them act well, It depends on Again,

919
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:18.400
<v Speaker 6>it depends on what the context is. For example, the

920
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:21.639
<v Speaker 6>action of God creating the world is a unique action

921
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.440
<v Speaker 6>at one point, and so God is not continually creating

922
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:26.320
<v Speaker 6>another world, at least as far as we know of

923
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.679
<v Speaker 6>other things. Like for example, in John seventeen, Jesus says

924
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:32.800
<v Speaker 6>that he came to give us a share in God's glory.

925
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:36.039
<v Speaker 6>So we would say God's glory is an uncreated energy

926
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:38.840
<v Speaker 6>that we really participate in. But it's distinct from the

927
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:40.039
<v Speaker 6>action of creating the world.

928
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:47.159
<v Speaker 18>Okay, so some of these energies are like temporal, No.

929
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:49.760
<v Speaker 6>The energy is the energies themselves are not temporal, but

930
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.840
<v Speaker 6>they have a once once, a one point in time reference,

931
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:56.880
<v Speaker 6>you could say. So, for example, in Genesis, has God

932
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:00.440
<v Speaker 6>wrested from his works? And so when Palamas has debate

933
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:04.840
<v Speaker 6>with the Latins, the debate ends up hinging on at

934
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.280
<v Speaker 6>one point, what does it mean for God to rest

935
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.000
<v Speaker 6>from creating? Well, Palamus argues that it means that God

936
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.360
<v Speaker 6>didn't have to keep creating. It wasn't an emanation. It

937
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:15.960
<v Speaker 6>was a decision that he did by will at one

938
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:18.880
<v Speaker 6>point at one time. And God can do many things.

939
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:21.079
<v Speaker 6>He doesn't have to just do one thing at all times.

940
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:25.559
<v Speaker 18>Okay, cool, thank you.

941
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

942
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:28.880
<v Speaker 6>I mean, if we have an open colloquium or whatever,

943
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.760
<v Speaker 6>I'm happy to you know, answer or explain any of

944
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.079
<v Speaker 6>those kinds of questions. Did you want to come back

945
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:38.519
<v Speaker 6>and speak. I forget what your name was, rd RJD.

946
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:42.199
<v Speaker 6>You know what up?

947
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Man?

948
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:42.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

949
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:46.719
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I just a quick response to Khalil.

950
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:51.239
<v Speaker 5>Can you explain how asking somebody what their position is

951
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:54.079
<v Speaker 5>is attacking their beliefs?

952
00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Well?

953
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:57.239
<v Speaker 6>I think he's saying that you came on to debate,

954
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:00.280
<v Speaker 6>and so it's a debate form debate.

955
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:02.360
<v Speaker 3>I literally just want to know what you believe.

956
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:05.800
<v Speaker 6>Well, but it's listed as a debate, so typically people

957
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:07.400
<v Speaker 6>that pop in, we assume it's a debate.

958
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

959
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:15.039
<v Speaker 5>I thought that was referring to, like just saying that

960
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:17.639
<v Speaker 5>you're going to have a debate to sneako takee.

961
00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:19.679
<v Speaker 6>Oh no, no, no, say I opened this up for

962
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:21.760
<v Speaker 6>everybody to call it debate typically.

963
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:27.599
<v Speaker 5>Okay, So yeah, Khalil, I'm not here to attack anyone's

964
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:33.239
<v Speaker 5>belief I'm here to understand their beliefs, which is exactly

965
00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:38.159
<v Speaker 5>why I did not want to defend my view of

966
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:40.960
<v Speaker 5>Islam because I don't even know if I'm an eschery

967
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:41.679
<v Speaker 5>or an ethery.

968
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:44.599
<v Speaker 11>So how could I defend something that I don't even

969
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:46.039
<v Speaker 11>have a position on it?

970
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:50.960
<v Speaker 6>Okay, anything else you want to say?

971
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:53.800
<v Speaker 2>No, I just yeah, that was it.

972
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:57.760
<v Speaker 6>Appreciate it, dude, Tack Blue, what's up?

973
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Man? Hi?

974
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:03.079
<v Speaker 3>How are you doing?

975
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:04.280
<v Speaker 6>What's up?

976
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:04.440
<v Speaker 21>Man?

977
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:06.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah? Sam can come back if he wants. Two people

978
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:07.880
<v Speaker 6>in the chat are saying that he left. I mean

979
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:09.599
<v Speaker 6>I thought he was just busy doing another stream. He

980
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:10.760
<v Speaker 6>can come back every once, So I don't care.

981
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I am in a park, so there's gonna be some noise.

982
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:18.000
<v Speaker 3>If that don't minds you, You sound good to me,

983
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:18.480
<v Speaker 3>to go ahead.

984
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So my first Christian is.

985
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:25.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't understand how Jesus fulfills the law.

986
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:27.840
<v Speaker 2>What does it mean?

987
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:31.199
<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean I would say there's a couple of

988
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:34.199
<v Speaker 6>senses to what it means. In one sense, it's a

989
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:38.639
<v Speaker 6>reference to his own divinity, and so by being the

990
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:41.760
<v Speaker 6>son of God, he can't do evil, He does no wrong.

991
00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:46.320
<v Speaker 6>He's a perfect being. And so by being the divine

992
00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:48.679
<v Speaker 6>son of God, every action that he does is virtuous.

993
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:50.880
<v Speaker 6>Every action that he does is righteous and according to

994
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:53.599
<v Speaker 6>the law. Because we believe that Jesus gave the law.

995
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.880
<v Speaker 6>We believe that the burning bush in Exodus three, if

996
00:58:56.920 --> 00:58:59.320
<v Speaker 6>you compare that to Exodus twenty three, that's actually Jesus.

997
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:01.519
<v Speaker 6>We think that he is the second person that God

998
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:04.679
<v Speaker 6>had present in the burning bush. He even makes this

999
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.280
<v Speaker 6>argument to the Phariseason John five through nine. So that's

1000
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.480
<v Speaker 6>our position on how he's just as a virtue of

1001
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:14.199
<v Speaker 6>being divine person a kind of living embodiment of the Torah.

1002
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.880
<v Speaker 6>He is the living embodiment of the divine word. He

1003
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.199
<v Speaker 6>is the divine word, and so when he's incarnate or

1004
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.119
<v Speaker 6>when he's often in the Old Testament, he just by

1005
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.320
<v Speaker 6>virtue of his divinity quote, fulfills the law. However, in

1006
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:27.880
<v Speaker 6>the sense of like the ceremonies that God gave. So

1007
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:31.880
<v Speaker 6>if you think about in the Torah, when Moses is

1008
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.840
<v Speaker 6>given the ceremonies of how to do the levitical law

1009
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:38.199
<v Speaker 6>with the temple, the altar, and the priesthood, the sacrifice,

1010
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:42.480
<v Speaker 6>the bronze, see where they would do the washings, all

1011
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:45.920
<v Speaker 6>that animal sacrifice stuff, or like the Passover and Exodus,

1012
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:49.559
<v Speaker 6>those are all fulfilled in the death, burial, and resurrection

1013
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.480
<v Speaker 6>of Christ. So in the sense of fulfilling the levitical

1014
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:56.480
<v Speaker 6>law in the ceremonies, we think Christ fulfills those by

1015
00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:59.719
<v Speaker 6>his death, uryal resurrection. He's the Pascal Lamb, He's the

1016
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:06.599
<v Speaker 6>fulfillment of Pentecost, all of those rituals and feast days

1017
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:09.960
<v Speaker 6>that the Jews had, we believe that that's all pointing

1018
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:11.760
<v Speaker 6>to what Christ would do. And so a lot of

1019
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:16.039
<v Speaker 6>the New Testament is devoted, for example, to explaining Christ's

1020
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:19.239
<v Speaker 6>fulfillment of those levitical laws and ceremonies, particularly like the

1021
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:21.880
<v Speaker 6>whole book of Hebrews is dedicated just to this. Even

1022
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:25.559
<v Speaker 6>the Sabbath is fulfilled, we think in the rest that

1023
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:28.719
<v Speaker 6>Christ did when he died. So when he died on

1024
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:33.480
<v Speaker 6>Good Friday, that's a fulfillment of the Sabbath rest. And

1025
01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:36.760
<v Speaker 6>then he rises to an eighth day resurrection, that's a

1026
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.440
<v Speaker 6>fulfillment of the eternal Sabbath. So in other words, every

1027
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:44.159
<v Speaker 6>one of those levitical ceremonial things, we think Christ for

1028
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:47.599
<v Speaker 6>the most part fulfilled in his lifetime and in his

1029
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:50.320
<v Speaker 6>death rown resurrection, and then in the establishment of the Church.

1030
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:53.519
<v Speaker 6>So that's why we think Old Testament Israel is a

1031
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:56.920
<v Speaker 6>type of the New Testament Church that exists throughout the world.

1032
01:00:58.000 --> 01:00:59.840
<v Speaker 2>But I still don't understand it.

1033
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:03.039
<v Speaker 24>So are you saying that because he was perfect and

1034
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:07.599
<v Speaker 24>he gave the law that in a sense he can choose, uh,

1035
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:09.679
<v Speaker 24>and it in some way.

1036
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:13.039
<v Speaker 6>Well, it's not ended, in the sense that the moral meaning,

1037
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:17.800
<v Speaker 6>even behind the ceremonial laws, continues on. For example, if

1038
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.280
<v Speaker 6>you read Paul's epistoles, he'll say stuff like, uh, you know,

1039
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.679
<v Speaker 6>when it says not to sew to garments onto the

1040
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:26.880
<v Speaker 6>sense two patches onto a garment or not to sow

1041
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:30.400
<v Speaker 6>two seeds in a field. He says, that's a spiritual

1042
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:34.920
<v Speaker 6>principle that still continues on. So the Old Testament, for example,

1043
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:40.760
<v Speaker 6>unclean animals, those were for us symbolic of vices and

1044
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:43.719
<v Speaker 6>the demonics. So we avoid the unclean animals in the

1045
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:47.679
<v Speaker 6>spiritual sense of avoiding the vices. So for us, even

1046
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:51.760
<v Speaker 6>the ceremonial laws continue on in their spiritual meaning. They're

1047
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:55.480
<v Speaker 6>just not continued on in their literal sense of everybody

1048
01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:58.400
<v Speaker 6>in the world having to submit to levitical ceremonies. Because

1049
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:00.920
<v Speaker 6>if you know Judaism, you know that Jews don't believe

1050
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:02.760
<v Speaker 6>that the law was made for everybody. It's not made

1051
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:05.679
<v Speaker 6>for the whole world. It's only made for Jews. And yeah,

1052
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:08.079
<v Speaker 6>so in our view agrees with that, and we say

1053
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:11.320
<v Speaker 6>that if Judaism was going to spread to the whole world,

1054
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.119
<v Speaker 6>and that's what we think Orthodoxtricianity is, it's the true

1055
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:17.719
<v Speaker 6>Judaism for the whole world, not rabbinical Judaism distinct, then

1056
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.679
<v Speaker 6>it has to adopt certain things that allow it to

1057
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.119
<v Speaker 6>spread to the whole world. And we think that Christ

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<v Speaker 6>absolutely decided upon that because he has that authority as

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<v Speaker 6>the divine Son of God. And this is partly the

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<v Speaker 6>logic of the reasoning of the Jerusalem Council in Acts

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<v Speaker 6>fifteen is that they realize that if this is going

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<v Speaker 6>to be Judaism for the whole world, then we might

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<v Speaker 6>want to look to a covenant where people were made

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<v Speaker 6>righteous before Abraham or before Moses. How has anyone made

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<v Speaker 6>righteous before Abraham or Moses. Well, let's look to Noah.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's why Acts fifteen specifically goes to the gentile

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<v Speaker 6>Noah to say, if Noah could be righteous before God,

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<v Speaker 6>then we ought not expect anything more for the gentiles

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<v Speaker 6>converting than what was expected of Noah. And that's the

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<v Speaker 6>whole of Acts fifteen.

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<v Speaker 24>Because just think that it's just all about the law,

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<v Speaker 24>and they don't, right, I think before it And my

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<v Speaker 24>other question is one argument I've seen that shaped which

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<v Speaker 24>man said, is that if Jesus has two like he

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<v Speaker 24>has a human part and divine essence when he died,

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<v Speaker 24>where did the human Did the human and the divine separate?

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<v Speaker 6>Right? So yeah, this is covered in John Damascus Book three.

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<v Speaker 6>If you go all the way down to the last

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<v Speaker 6>part of on the Orthodox Faith, the book three of

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<v Speaker 6>John Damascus, he gives a whole exposition of our position

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<v Speaker 6>on this in a very brief three or four paragraphs.

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<v Speaker 6>I highly recommend it for those who want to just

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<v Speaker 6>read a few paragraphs. But in short, we believe that no,

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<v Speaker 6>the divine person of the Sun was never separated from

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<v Speaker 6>the human nature because he's a divine person, so he's

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<v Speaker 6>he possesses his omniscience as a divine person. He descended

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<v Speaker 6>in the soul with the human soul that he assumed

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<v Speaker 6>into Hades. We believe Hades is a realm of the dead.

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<v Speaker 6>So when Christ descended into Hades as the divine person

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<v Speaker 6>to that human soul that he assumed, the human soul

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01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:20.679
<v Speaker 6>is separated from the human body. But Christ is the

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<v Speaker 6>divine person, divine subject, so there's not a human person.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a divine person with the human soul. And he

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<v Speaker 6>went into the realm of the dead to Hades to

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<v Speaker 6>preach the Gospel to the dead and then to raise

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<v Speaker 6>those people in the resurrection. And that's what we think

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<v Speaker 6>is that's why Peter says that he preached to the

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<v Speaker 6>spirits in Hades.

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<v Speaker 24>And finally, if you don't mind, yeah, it's a cushion

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<v Speaker 24>of both is I think on the website drew for

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<v Speaker 24>Judaism that they explained to ascendence, you are made a

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<v Speaker 24>priest forever by the other of Melchisedek. Right, that's Melchisidic.

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<v Speaker 24>It's just a title of a king. So when you

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<v Speaker 24>say you, like the son of David, are going to

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<v Speaker 24>be a priest priest forever and the order of Melchisidic

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01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:14.800
<v Speaker 24>is like you're going to be an administrator by the

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<v Speaker 24>like of a rifle king.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, Jews have all kinds of explanations to try

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<v Speaker 6>to get around passages that would make the Messiah prophet,

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<v Speaker 6>priest and king, and particularly with a person of Christ.

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<v Speaker 6>So I don't doubt they have all kinds of ways

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<v Speaker 6>to try to say that the Messiah when he comes,

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<v Speaker 6>will be like David and a descendative David, and that

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<v Speaker 6>he won't actually have a priesthood. Well, we think he

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<v Speaker 6>actually has a priesthood because the argument of Paul in

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<v Speaker 6>Hebrew seven about this passage is that Christ's priesthood is

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<v Speaker 6>superior to the ironic because Abraham in whose loins was

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<v Speaker 6>his descendant Levi and Aaron, right that he that he

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<v Speaker 6>gave allbeisments to Malchisedek. So Malchisedek is superior. So of

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01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:08.159
<v Speaker 6>course a Jew would want to downplay this passage because

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<v Speaker 6>this means that the Ironic priesthood is inferior to the Melchizedekian.

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<v Speaker 6>But the whole argument of Hebrew seven is that christ

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<v Speaker 6>priesthood is superior to the ironic.

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<v Speaker 24>But in a way, what the Jew will say is

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<v Speaker 24>that those statements are made after like the Jews at

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<v Speaker 24>the time, they didn't have this whole thing about Melchizedeic

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<v Speaker 24>and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to point to passages.

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<v Speaker 24>Like when the Peter didn't understand why Jesus had to die.

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<v Speaker 24>They're going to say that the Messiah at this time

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<v Speaker 24>wasn't understood to be a sacrifice.

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<v Speaker 6>No, but that's not true. That's why the Jews have

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<v Speaker 6>to That's why the Talmudic position is that there's two Messiahs,

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<v Speaker 6>Messiah ben Joseph and Messiah ben David. One of them dies.

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<v Speaker 11>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the majority statement.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the Talmudic rabbinical teaching, all right, I mean, I

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01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:10.880
<v Speaker 6>mean reform Jews won't believe that, but if they're Orthodox

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<v Speaker 6>or Rabbinic Jews they will, all right. So, yeah, those

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<v Speaker 6>are great questions, great questions. Appreciate that. Shout out to

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<v Speaker 6>John pro what's up man, and then we'll go to

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<v Speaker 6>Hamsa next. How you doing, dude, looks like I was

1144
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:36.320
<v Speaker 6>having a hard time connecting. If you want to pop out,

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01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:41.559
<v Speaker 6>pop back in, I'll go back to you John. Let's

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01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:44.679
<v Speaker 6>see hams up. What's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Hi?

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<v Speaker 21>Bro?

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<v Speaker 2>Is my voice clear?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh So.

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<v Speaker 15>I was watching the sub Chamon's life yesterday and he

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01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:07.119
<v Speaker 15>was given analogies about the trilogy, and one of the

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<v Speaker 15>analogies he gave is the car analogy.

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<v Speaker 2>And this analogy is saying that that, for example, the

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<v Speaker 2>trilogy is like a car.

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<v Speaker 15>A car has parts, and this part the engine, the wheel,

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<v Speaker 15>I don't know, and these parts are like the Son.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus and Jesus, the Holy spirits, and the Father. But

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<v Speaker 2>for me, this is a heresy.

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<v Speaker 15>This is a partialism because when you see the car

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<v Speaker 15>has engine and has will and has so on.

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<v Speaker 6>I understand part. I understand created things are composite. God

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<v Speaker 6>is not composite. We all believe that. So he's just

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<v Speaker 6>making an analogy between something could be one and many

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<v Speaker 6>at the same time, just like you believe about the attributes.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, but the engine is not the car, but Jesus

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<v Speaker 15>is God. So the persons mean the essence in the

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01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:05.239
<v Speaker 15>trinity is the nature being God. But the essence in

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<v Speaker 15>the car analogy must be also the car.

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<v Speaker 2>But the engine is not the car, the wheel is.

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<v Speaker 8>Not the car.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, he's just making it right. So the analogy breaks

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<v Speaker 6>down at the point you're talking about. But it's only

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<v Speaker 6>an analogy to one and many, not to parts.

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<v Speaker 15>I mean, gee, for me, this car analogy is for

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<v Speaker 15>the for the trinity is flawed.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, let me give an example. If it's the

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01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:32.439
<v Speaker 6>same principle. Okay, the number three, right, the Arabic number three?

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01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, turn out, so it's a tree.

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01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:37.520
<v Speaker 6>Okay, is that one or is it three?

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01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:42.119
<v Speaker 2>The essence is being a number.

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01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:45.800
<v Speaker 6>But if you not, my essence is just just just three,

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01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:47.520
<v Speaker 6>is it? Is it one thing or three things?

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01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:49.720
<v Speaker 15>Is the one thing?

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01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:51.640
<v Speaker 6>Of course, but it's also three.

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01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:56.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the essence is being a number. But if

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01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:57.800
<v Speaker 2>you do, but you cannot, you can.

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<v Speaker 6>See you're you're getting confused. Your confusing the mataphestic lesson.

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01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:07.119
<v Speaker 6>You're confusing the it's a limited analogy that's only referring

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01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:10.039
<v Speaker 6>to numerics. It's not talking about essences.

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<v Speaker 15>Let's stick with this example. So you said it's three

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01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:17.199
<v Speaker 15>one thing. Okay, So if you if we give this

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01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:18.960
<v Speaker 15>example as the trilogy.

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01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:20.640
<v Speaker 2>So the three is like.

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01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:24.039
<v Speaker 6>Three, not a tree. Three.

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01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:27.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes, three, I mean three, the number three, not the

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<v Speaker 2>three of course.

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<v Speaker 15>So the number three, if we compare it to the trilogy,

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<v Speaker 15>is the god head.

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01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:36.079
<v Speaker 2>The tree is the god Head.

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01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:39.439
<v Speaker 15>And if we separate the three, we have one one one.

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<v Speaker 15>One is not the tree, but in the trinity, Jesus

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01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:43.840
<v Speaker 15>is God.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

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01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:49.920
<v Speaker 2>So this is also flowed analogy. I don't understand it.

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<v Speaker 6>Explain to me how it's flowed analogy. I'm listening to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what explain it. I'll give you just one minute.

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<v Speaker 15>So in your example, we have three, it's three one thing.

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01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Of course, it's the one thing. But what is there

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01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:04.079
<v Speaker 2>is the number tree.

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<v Speaker 6>So this is where you're making a mistake. You're going

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01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:10.079
<v Speaker 6>into essences. The only thing that we're saying is is

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<v Speaker 6>an analogy is the numerics nothing to do with essences. Okay.

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01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:18.359
<v Speaker 6>It's just pointing out that something can be three and

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01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:21.399
<v Speaker 6>one at the same time and it doesn't involve a contradiction.

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01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:23.520
<v Speaker 6>That's all we're saying. That's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>A quick question a quick question. G what are the

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01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:29.640
<v Speaker 2>parts of three? Who has one? One? One? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, no, you're missing the point the number. Look,

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<v Speaker 6>I can make the same analogy to attributes. Okay, is

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01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:37.359
<v Speaker 6>all of ninety nine parts?

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<v Speaker 2>These are names?

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01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:40.479
<v Speaker 3>What?

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01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:45.119
<v Speaker 15>Well, the attribution of being all powerful is not We

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01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:46.479
<v Speaker 15>don't say all powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>This attribution of being all powerful is good.

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<v Speaker 15>No.

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<v Speaker 6>Wait, so all of his attributes, all all of us

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<v Speaker 6>attributes are Do they possess a saiety?

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<v Speaker 15>No, that's that's his nature is one means of being good.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, I know that, But I'm talking about the attributes.

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<v Speaker 6>So do the attributes have a dependence relationship on Allah's essence?

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<v Speaker 2>They are? They are Allah, They are Allah.

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<v Speaker 15>You cannot say the attribution for being know all knowledgeable

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01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:20.600
<v Speaker 15>is good. We don't all say that. But you say

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<v Speaker 15>Jesus is good. The Holy Spiritch is good.

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<v Speaker 3>So the hold on.

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<v Speaker 6>So wait a minute. So now you're so you're admitting

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01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:28.119
<v Speaker 6>that the attributes are dependent.

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01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:29.800
<v Speaker 15>I don't listen to anything.

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01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:30.399
<v Speaker 2>Let's sick with you.

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01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:32.159
<v Speaker 6>It was that not the argument you just made.

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01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:34.920
<v Speaker 2>No, No, let's stick with your example. It's very easy.

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<v Speaker 6>So you don't want to talk about the attributes because

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01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:38.720
<v Speaker 6>it's the same problem. You don't see that.

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01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:42.720
<v Speaker 15>No, your example was very easy and simple for all

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01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:43.560
<v Speaker 15>the people that are here.

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01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's stick with it.

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01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:46.840
<v Speaker 6>You see, the example is just talking about something being

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01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:48.920
<v Speaker 6>one and many. You don't understand that something could be

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01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:51.439
<v Speaker 6>one in many. You know, does all I have many attributes?

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<v Speaker 2>Just get you one minutes?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you let me just say so?

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<v Speaker 6>You won't? You guys are so like emotional You just

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01:12:58.239 --> 01:12:59.680
<v Speaker 6>spit out stuff without listenings.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, one minute?

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01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:07.399
<v Speaker 6>Is all a one in many? Is all one in many?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:14.479
<v Speaker 2>My god, he's allah when you okay?

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<v Speaker 6>So are they really different?

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<v Speaker 3>Look?

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<v Speaker 6>Is there a depend you understanding? This is a debate

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<v Speaker 6>in your own Akida's right? This is there's a dep

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<v Speaker 6>there's a debate. There's not a debate between different aquida's

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<v Speaker 6>about the attributes.

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<v Speaker 2>So you the one to me? So you just okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you speak because.

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<v Speaker 6>You're just spitting out stuff without even listening to what

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<v Speaker 6>I'm saying? Is that even a debate? Do they debate

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<v Speaker 6>the dependence relationship? So you want so you want to

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<v Speaker 6>answer these basic questions?

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01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:42.000
<v Speaker 2>What do you know?

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<v Speaker 6>Are Come on? Do the different akitas debate? Do the

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<v Speaker 6>different Akita's debate the relationship. Why are you saying my name?

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01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:52.760
<v Speaker 6>Every time somebody starts spitting out my name? We know

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01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:55.239
<v Speaker 6>that's the point at which they're losing the whole discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>I have many many points.

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<v Speaker 6>Do yours school's debate the relationship between Allah essence and

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<v Speaker 6>his attributes and dependence relationships?

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<v Speaker 2>So he won't.

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01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:09.720
<v Speaker 6>So he won't answer because the car analogy is only

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01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:11.119
<v Speaker 6>talking about the one in the miny? Do you know

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01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:12.920
<v Speaker 6>what the one the mini is? Do you know what

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01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:15.720
<v Speaker 6>the one the mini is? Agree with the So he

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01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:17.760
<v Speaker 6>won't even talk. So this is how silly these people are.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like talking to children. They think that an analogy

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<v Speaker 6>has to be one to one correspondence. Like the first

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01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:29.119
<v Speaker 6>guy they came on here didn't even know what he

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01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:32.800
<v Speaker 6>thought an analogy was unifical predication. They don't understand the

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<v Speaker 6>difference between basic grammar terms. They don't understand. Go ahead, man,

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01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:36.880
<v Speaker 6>what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Umah?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you there?

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<v Speaker 6>Yep?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me let me correct these Muslims who can't represent

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<v Speaker 3>anything anyone says. Now when I say Muslims, I'm talking

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01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:48.680
<v Speaker 3>about the suny Muslims. I don't want to put the

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<v Speaker 3>silent undoney.

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<v Speaker 5>And the same.

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<v Speaker 6>He's he left, it's all, it's all soon he's in here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. But I just want to clarify everyone, go watch

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01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:59.079
<v Speaker 3>the clip. I never said the carnalogy is the trinity.

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01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:01.840
<v Speaker 3>What I said was in context. Let me just explain

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01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:04.600
<v Speaker 3>for the people. See, this is why Muslims sinning. Muslims,

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01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:08.119
<v Speaker 3>you really make us despise religion because you can't be honest.

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01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:09.960
<v Speaker 3>This is why I treat you the way you do.

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01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:13.560
<v Speaker 3>Proverbs twenty six, verse five, answer full according to his folly.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's he become wise in his own mind.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is why I do it.

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<v Speaker 3>But look at the difference with Kinda than Danny. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>in that analogy, I never said the car is analogus trinity.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a lie I said in Creation. I have the clip,

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01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:28.079
<v Speaker 3>it's there on YouTube, and you guys want to lie.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, in Creation we see complex unity. It's all around, agreed.

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<v Speaker 6>Complex Yeah, we've made I've made that same analogy. I

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<v Speaker 6>agree with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So that's all one of us. That was all

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<v Speaker 3>the analogy was. Like in Creation you see complexity, diversity

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01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:48.560
<v Speaker 3>and unity, composite complex unity. If that's true of the

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01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:53.800
<v Speaker 3>finite temporal realm, why would we think that God his

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01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:55.439
<v Speaker 3>being would be any less complex.

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<v Speaker 2>That.

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01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:59.439
<v Speaker 6>That's all I said, right, And that's an analogy which

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<v Speaker 6>we have our you as well, which is just simply that.

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<v Speaker 6>To put this in philosophical terms for those who don't know,

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<v Speaker 6>this is called the problem of the one in the many.

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01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:09.720
<v Speaker 6>Something can be one and many at the same time.

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<v Speaker 6>That doesn't necessarily mean that it's composite. Muslims believe typically

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<v Speaker 6>that there's a dependence relationship between between Allah and his attributes,

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01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:26.039
<v Speaker 6>and between the attributes and the other attributes. They only

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01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:30.039
<v Speaker 6>exist independence upon one another in all his essence.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I'm jake, God bless you.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>You're more patient than me. I don't know how you

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01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:37.039
<v Speaker 3>handle them, because you see why I lost my hair.

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01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:39.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm looking at I said, I can't handle this. But anyway,

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01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:40.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm here, brother.

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<v Speaker 6>If you got any Muslims ring them up, no, there's

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01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:43.479
<v Speaker 6>a million of them in here, So let's go.

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<v Speaker 3>I bet you're gonna show what's up.

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01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:50.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you're here.

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01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:53.399
<v Speaker 3>I don't hear him.

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01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:55.920
<v Speaker 6>He's raising his hand and he's not talking.

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01:16:56.159 --> 01:17:02.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm mute, yep, okay, fantastic. We had some connection issues.

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<v Speaker 25>That's all right.

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01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:06.319
<v Speaker 2>We're Muslim.

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01:17:07.239 --> 01:17:10.119
<v Speaker 3>We want to let you know that.

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01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:13.439
<v Speaker 2>We believe.

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01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:18.319
<v Speaker 3>The Holy Or is the final testament of God. Okay,

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01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:22.239
<v Speaker 3>we know that you're okay, Okay, that's fine.

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01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:25.239
<v Speaker 26>So we believe in the Torah, we believe in the

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01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:29.039
<v Speaker 26>in Kiel, the Gospels, we believe in the Bibles.

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<v Speaker 6>So but but you don't because because the Quran actually

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01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:34.760
<v Speaker 6>confirms the prior revelation.

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<v Speaker 25>I just want to ask him, trying to say, we

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01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:41.239
<v Speaker 25>have to believe in the prior books.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I ask you a question about one second? Let

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01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:47.520
<v Speaker 3>me finish my sentence. Let me finish my sentence at least.

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01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:49.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to answer. They want to preach, but

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01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:51.600
<v Speaker 3>go ahead. No, I don't want to preach. I was

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01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:56.159
<v Speaker 3>talking for you. You don't have no idea. The middle

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01:17:56.159 --> 01:18:02.439
<v Speaker 3>of speaking, you can ask me question what you believe.

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<v Speaker 3>So what I was saying was, yeah, so you're very rude,

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01:18:07.640 --> 01:18:13.600
<v Speaker 3>very rude. No no, no, no, my profect.

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<v Speaker 11>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>They want to preach. Okay, I'm not preaching.

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01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:23.680
<v Speaker 6>No, we know your position here, So do you talking?

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01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:25.640
<v Speaker 11>I was talking, but you interrupted me.

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<v Speaker 3>You're very immoral, That's what I'm gonna say. Anyway, Well,

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01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:31.520
<v Speaker 3>I'll try to don't talk about manners when you follow

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01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:32.840
<v Speaker 3>Mohammed because I'll show you his son.

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<v Speaker 2>But he is the best profet.

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<v Speaker 6>Do not do not, do not, do not, do not

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01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:40.920
<v Speaker 6>do not.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want want profect? Okay, good, get to your point.

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01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:48.760
<v Speaker 3>Do not demonize my profect. My friend it was he

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01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:51.600
<v Speaker 3>thought he was even possessed. He said, no, no, you are.

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01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:55.239
<v Speaker 3>You are a very fine that's that's in your tradition.

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01:18:55.560 --> 01:18:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Did you not want to do thought he was even?

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01:18:58.319 --> 01:18:59.880
<v Speaker 3>You met that guy so I can talk on it.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't need a sermon. So if you have an

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01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:05.840
<v Speaker 6>argument for how you believe the Torah, which, by the way,

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01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:09.399
<v Speaker 6>the Koran says that the Torah is not corrupt, right.

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01:19:11.079 --> 01:19:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Right, I was going to say, okay, anything that I'm

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01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:19.560
<v Speaker 3>telling you, yes, I have better than you and your prophet.

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01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:22.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm not talking to you some No, he brought me

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01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:22.680
<v Speaker 3>up here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether you're like no, no, no, no, I'm talking to

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01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:28.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking to Jay the host answer me.

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<v Speaker 6>This is so, this is so ridiculous. They will talk

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01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:33.439
<v Speaker 6>to me and they won't talk to you, Like if

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01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:35.600
<v Speaker 6>you're not going to talk to Sam and then don't

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01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:37.640
<v Speaker 6>don't even come on. There's no point in talking through

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01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:39.439
<v Speaker 6>another person. Tanji, what's up?

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01:19:41.399 --> 01:19:43.279
<v Speaker 3>You know why jay right? They want to pick it

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01:19:43.399 --> 01:19:45.720
<v Speaker 3>up because they know they can't get away with lying

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<v Speaker 3>about the Koran and the deeds.

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<v Speaker 6>You know the deeds as well too. I'm mute, man,

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01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:57.840
<v Speaker 6>what's up? Tanji? I agree? Tanji? Un mute? Uh huh,

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01:19:57.960 --> 01:19:58.359
<v Speaker 6>what's up?

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01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:02.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not Muslim, but I've heard you.

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01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:05.600
<v Speaker 27>You never got to finish it, but I hear you

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01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:08.600
<v Speaker 27>start of this critique or you ask if the attributes

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01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:09.439
<v Speaker 27>have a sayety.

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01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:12.560
<v Speaker 6>Right, because it depends on how they're going to answer it,

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01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:14.720
<v Speaker 6>because they try to argue that if you think that

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01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:19.760
<v Speaker 6>there's distinctions, and for example, they'll say, does the sun

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01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:23.279
<v Speaker 6>possess a sayety? If he doesn't possess the power to cause,

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01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:26.640
<v Speaker 6>then he's diminished and he's less in their subordination. And

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01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:29.039
<v Speaker 6>then they'll turn around and say that the attributes have

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01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:33.000
<v Speaker 6>a dependence relationship upon Allah's essence and upon one another.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's a double standard. That's the whole reason I

1416
01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:37.000
<v Speaker 6>asked them that question. But they never even get to

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01:20:37.079 --> 01:20:37.840
<v Speaker 6>the point of answering it.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't believe in the absolute devinde simplicity, right.

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01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:44.479
<v Speaker 6>It just depends on which Muslim you're talking to, because

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01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:47.880
<v Speaker 6>Khalil does. But most of the Sonnies will try to

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01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:50.680
<v Speaker 6>argue for some kind of distinction between Allah and his attributes,

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01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:52.920
<v Speaker 6>which is the whole point of why they get stuck

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01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:54.760
<v Speaker 6>on this question. That's why I asked it.

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<v Speaker 27>What do you think like the strongest critique against uh

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01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:06.000
<v Speaker 27>like strict monotheism, unitarian God is There's.

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<v Speaker 6>A lot of different critiques. I mean, if you want

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01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:09.239
<v Speaker 6>to first of all, if they claim to be consistent

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<v Speaker 6>with the Bible, they're already shooting themselves in the foot

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<v Speaker 6>because the Bible doesn't teach their generic unitarianism, it teaches trinitarianism.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's why they have to immediately say once we

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01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:19.680
<v Speaker 6>start going to all these passages of whether the Theophanies

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01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:22.239
<v Speaker 6>and the Trinity throughout the Old Testament. By the way,

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<v Speaker 6>that's why they immediately say corrupt, but book is corrupt.

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<v Speaker 6>Book is corrupt, and then we point then we point

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01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:31.439
<v Speaker 6>out that their own book does not say the book

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01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:33.960
<v Speaker 6>is corrupt, and then they then they lose their mind.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's that's how every discussion goes.

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<v Speaker 27>Do you have a video where you like critique mostly

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01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:43.319
<v Speaker 27>just this unitarian guy.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, to add to what Jay said. You'll

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01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:48.079
<v Speaker 3>be shocked for me to say this. This is why

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01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:50.880
<v Speaker 3>if we do set up a discussion what's had it

1443
01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:53.720
<v Speaker 3>and Danny and the other two, You'll be shocked at

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01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:58.000
<v Speaker 3>me saying this. The Krawn does not teach pure unitarianism,

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01:21:58.319 --> 01:22:02.359
<v Speaker 3>pure forms to heat. The crime actually posits more than

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01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:06.960
<v Speaker 3>one deity. This is why I've always challenged Muslims debate

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01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:10.119
<v Speaker 3>me on whether the Koran teaches pure monotheism. So that's

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01:22:10.199 --> 01:22:13.960
<v Speaker 3>another problem with the Muslim claim. They'll tell you it

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01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:16.199
<v Speaker 3>teaches in the term they came up with this towheat

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01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:20.880
<v Speaker 3>right to unify absolutely won and yet the chron doesn't

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01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:23.920
<v Speaker 3>teach it. And this is why I've challenged Muslims, says,

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01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:27.239
<v Speaker 3>this is your bread and butter. Challenge me, does your Quran? Now,

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01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:31.640
<v Speaker 3>not everyone follows the Sunni Adith like Kali and Danny.

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01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:34.720
<v Speaker 3>He's not a Sunni. He doesn't really care what Buhati

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01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Muslim says, So with him, I would stick with the Koran,

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01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:40.359
<v Speaker 3>and even from there I would demonstrate the Koran does

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<v Speaker 3>not teach an absolute pure form of unitarianism.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But with the Sunnys it's even worse because they go

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01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:49.640
<v Speaker 3>with the churn in the sunnight, and yet they don't

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01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:51.680
<v Speaker 3>take me up on it. Why is that because I'm

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01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:54.119
<v Speaker 3>such a meani? That's why, Jay, because I'm not nice?

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<v Speaker 6>Good right. And we should also point out too, as

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<v Speaker 6>I made the point in my open aning statement to

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<v Speaker 6>Daniel Hokikichu in that debate, the Jews for the most

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<v Speaker 6>part were not unified in their unitarianism. So Jews were

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01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:13.840
<v Speaker 6>not unitarian. They taught multiple different views. They had a

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<v Speaker 6>quote fluid view of the fact that God believed that,

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<v Speaker 6>they believe that God had multiple powers, multiple hypostasies, and

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<v Speaker 6>modern Rabbis also are admitting this in many cases. So

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<v Speaker 6>this idea that there's this pure unitarianism that existed in

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<v Speaker 6>the Torah and in the Injeel, that's all made up.

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<v Speaker 6>That's all blogny.

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<v Speaker 27>Do you have a stream or a video on YouTube?

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<v Speaker 27>Were you critique thisly in depth?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, yeah, tons of them. I don't know specifically,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, but I mean we've been just go watch

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<v Speaker 6>my you know, Trinity the Old Testament. Sam's done, Trinity

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01:23:51.079 --> 01:23:52.840
<v Speaker 6>in the Old Testament talks. All of that will get

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<v Speaker 6>into that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And also if you want to see a critique

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01:23:56.279 --> 01:23:58.359
<v Speaker 3>of what the Crown teaches about unity. If you go

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01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:01.399
<v Speaker 3>to my YouTube channel, put in craw on trinity. I

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01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:07.079
<v Speaker 3>actually argue for a form of chronic trinitarianism, which is

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01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:10.680
<v Speaker 3>a counterfeit, but nonetheless it's there, so you can do them.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at That's why I'm asking Wilims here, refute me,

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01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Prove I'm lying, Prove that I'm misinterpreting the Crown. Come,

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01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:20.279
<v Speaker 3>it's here, book, bread and butter, to heat. Let's see

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01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:21.760
<v Speaker 3>if someone will take us up on the challenge.

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<v Speaker 6>Go ahead, Hamza, what's up, Hamsa? I'm trying to add you.

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01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:37.319
<v Speaker 6>Do you want to talk or not? You're the one

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01:24:37.399 --> 01:24:42.039
<v Speaker 6>critiquing Sam's car analogy, so we're at.

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<v Speaker 2>It.

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01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:45.479
<v Speaker 6>Won't let me add him?

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<v Speaker 3>So that's good. Now. I wonder if any because I

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01:24:50.279 --> 01:24:54.119
<v Speaker 3>have I want them to address their so called to heat.

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01:24:54.239 --> 01:24:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Let's see if anyone will do it. Let's see anyone.

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01:24:57.640 --> 01:24:59.399
<v Speaker 2>Else he left.

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<v Speaker 6>He won't do it. Wonderful, wonder why you left?

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder, Beauty Jay, I'm not as sharp dressed as

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01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:09.600
<v Speaker 3>you and nice as you.

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01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:11.880
<v Speaker 6>Jail, what's up?

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01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Hey?

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01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:18.600
<v Speaker 3>I was real I was trying to ask about right now.

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01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:24.159
<v Speaker 26>I'm more like in between of agnostic and trying to

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01:25:24.239 --> 01:25:26.800
<v Speaker 26>find my way into Christianity. But I came across your

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01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:30.319
<v Speaker 26>channelent scene like your orthodox Christian came across Sam as

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01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:31.439
<v Speaker 26>well independently.

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01:25:32.039 --> 01:25:32.279
<v Speaker 2>Muh.

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<v Speaker 26>I was being to ask like based off of because

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01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:38.199
<v Speaker 26>I had to discussed with my uncle because he's an

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01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:43.479
<v Speaker 26>ordained pastor at a Baptist church about solo and scriptur.

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<v Speaker 3>Doct and.

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<v Speaker 26>How do you how could I like conveyed, It's like

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01:25:52.399 --> 01:25:54.640
<v Speaker 26>not really because I kind of came across that it

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01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:55.800
<v Speaker 26>wasn't really making sense.

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01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:58.039
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know how to explain how those doctrines

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01:25:58.039 --> 01:26:01.880
<v Speaker 3>don't make sense. He said, there's no Protestant thinking about

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01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:02.520
<v Speaker 3>this doctrine.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, go watch my debate with uh Dale the Protestants,

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01:26:07.439 --> 01:26:10.720
<v Speaker 6>Me and doctor Bo Branson against Dale and his Protestant buddy.

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01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:13.760
<v Speaker 6>That whole debate will answer a lot of those questions

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01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:18.520
<v Speaker 6>if you're looking for a sol scripture of debate. Let's see,

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01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:19.800
<v Speaker 6>do we have any Muslims that want to come on

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01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:20.199
<v Speaker 6>the debate?

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01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:24.760
<v Speaker 3>By the way, since this is Jay's channel and he

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01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:27.560
<v Speaker 3>wants engage a variet of issues, I want to engage

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01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:30.680
<v Speaker 3>the Muslims. So Muslims come up and challenge us.

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01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:33.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we're going to get first place to Muslims exactly.

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01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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01:26:33.920 --> 01:26:35.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And then when he wants to continue to discuss

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01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:40.000
<v Speaker 3>with Catholics Protestants, God bless him, you know. But with me,

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01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:42.560
<v Speaker 3>I want to stick the Muslims. The reason why is

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01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:44.319
<v Speaker 3>because I don't want to add any bad blood between

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01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:47.600
<v Speaker 3>Orthodox and Catholic. I love them both. So I'm Jay's

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01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:48.279
<v Speaker 3>favorite heretic.

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01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:51.279
<v Speaker 6>I haven't called you heretic.

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01:26:52.399 --> 01:26:56.279
<v Speaker 3>I called myself that. Sorry, someone else calls me that.

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01:26:56.600 --> 01:26:58.880
<v Speaker 6>Jayl Vanni. Do you want to talk? We're asking for

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01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:00.840
<v Speaker 6>Muslims who want to come to go ahead.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, First of all, let me just say that I

1542
01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:11.079
<v Speaker 8>am very impressed. I was brought up as a Pentacles.

1543
01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:15.079
<v Speaker 8>I grew up and then it started Bronx New York,

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01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:18.920
<v Speaker 8>and I just wanted to ask one simple question.

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01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:22.359
<v Speaker 3>I watched one of your videos earlier.

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01:27:22.079 --> 01:27:25.199
<v Speaker 2>Today when you said that Jesus.

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01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:27.520
<v Speaker 6>Can me or Sam Sam.

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01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, you said that Jesus can via the seed

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01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:32.720
<v Speaker 3>of David.

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01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:39.560
<v Speaker 14>Okay, but hold on, and then I are telling me

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01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:41.760
<v Speaker 14>hold on, yeah please.

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01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:46.960
<v Speaker 3>So I know that Jesus came to the Virgin Mary

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01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:51.600
<v Speaker 3>via the Holy Spirit. So do you want to answer

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01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:54.800
<v Speaker 3>you now? So in Romans, one three, when Paul tells

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01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:57.760
<v Speaker 3>you Jesus of the seed of David according to the

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01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:02.600
<v Speaker 3>flesh Romans one three, two Timothy two eight, where Paul

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01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:05.479
<v Speaker 3>says that Jesus is of the seed of David according

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<v Speaker 3>to my Gospel two Timothy two eight, Romans one to three,

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01:28:10.359 --> 01:28:13.680
<v Speaker 3>or in Revelation twenty two sixteen, where Jesus says, I

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01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:16.399
<v Speaker 3>am the root and offspring of David. Do you want

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01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:18.119
<v Speaker 3>me to go on and show you that the Bible

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01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:20.920
<v Speaker 3>says he's of the seed of David. Let me repeat

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01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:24.239
<v Speaker 3>the verses again for you Romans one to three. Christ

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01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:28.960
<v Speaker 3>the seed of David according to the flesh tewod Timothy two,

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01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:32.520
<v Speaker 3>verse eight, that Jesus the seed of David according to

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01:28:32.600 --> 01:28:36.880
<v Speaker 3>My Gospel Revelation twenty two sixteen, Jesus speaking, I am

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01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:40.800
<v Speaker 3>the root and offspring of David. And then in Acts two,

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you're listening to the verses twenty four to

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<v Speaker 3>thirty two. We are told there, specifically in Acts two thirty,

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<v Speaker 3>that God had shown David that from his loins, from

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01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:55.520
<v Speaker 3>his physical lineage, he would raise up the Christ. So

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01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:58.079
<v Speaker 3>the Bible says he's of the seed of David. So

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01:28:58.119 --> 01:28:59.079
<v Speaker 3>where's the problem.

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01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:01.800
<v Speaker 6>Probably that the.

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<v Speaker 3>Good to know?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, the Bible says that he can.

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<v Speaker 3>He admits, Yeah, even says that you're that Jay. He's

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01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:12.079
<v Speaker 3>got a problem with the Bible.

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<v Speaker 6>He goes, Yeah, I mean the Dividic Covenant right requires

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<v Speaker 6>that the Messiah by of the seat of David two

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01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:21.880
<v Speaker 6>Samuel seven. So what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he didn't come through the via the Holy Spirit?

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01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Who said he didn't? He did? Yeah?

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01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:34.840
<v Speaker 3>Who said he didn't? Think a little deeply? You think

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01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:36.760
<v Speaker 3>that Jesus can only be the seat of David from

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01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:37.800
<v Speaker 3>a man, not from his mother.

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01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:41.000
<v Speaker 6>His human nature is from Mary. So that's how.

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 6>That in my case?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>Rest your case by admitting our point. Okay, good job. R.

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<v Speaker 2>D J.

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<v Speaker 6>Wants to come back. What's up, man? You gotta argument

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01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:54.119
<v Speaker 6>this time?

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01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know he is? I don't remember?

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<v Speaker 24>Yeah?

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01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:00.479
<v Speaker 3>Could I can I one on one?

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01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Sam? Real quick? Sure?

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01:30:02.479 --> 01:30:03.479
<v Speaker 3>If you don't want to beat me up?

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<v Speaker 2>What is it?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know who is it? Was he here earlier?

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01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:05.720
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah? So Sam, is it true that Yahweh ordered an

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01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:12.159
<v Speaker 13>army to murder babies?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, it's so true that Allah and chapter two,

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<v Speaker 3>verse two forty six fifty and chapter five of your

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01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:23.000
<v Speaker 3>front twenty twenty six a law order that Musa and

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<v Speaker 3>he said slaughter babies. It's also true. Show me, show me,

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<v Speaker 3>show me. Read the verse. Read the verse. Read stop parking,

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<v Speaker 3>take it easy, five twenty to twenty six. There your

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01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:42.640
<v Speaker 3>law set that told Musa to tell the Israelites to

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01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:46.159
<v Speaker 3>enter into the Promised Land Canaan. But they were afraid

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01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:49.960
<v Speaker 3>because of the giants. That means your Allah confirms he

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01:30:50.199 --> 01:30:54.520
<v Speaker 3>said Joshua into the land, the slaughter cattle and babies.

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<v Speaker 3>Where does it where does it say that in the

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01:30:57.000 --> 01:30:59.800
<v Speaker 3>verse to murder babies? Okay? So where does it say

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<v Speaker 3>in the Kuran five six, that's that war that was

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<v Speaker 3>carried out against the Amlakites. What's from Allah? Does it

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01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:08.600
<v Speaker 3>say it there?

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<v Speaker 13>So you're you're you're changing the topic from the world discussion.

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01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:17.600
<v Speaker 6>No, he brought up. They brought up the very thing

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01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:19.399
<v Speaker 6>from your book. Dude, I got it on the screen.

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<v Speaker 3>He's okay, read read the verse and let me know

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01:31:24.079 --> 01:31:25.319
<v Speaker 3>you want to murder some.

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01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:28.000
<v Speaker 13>Babies in that verse because he is the murder of

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01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:29.399
<v Speaker 13>babies in that verse, you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Or know the context is showed me, show me show

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01:31:32.279 --> 01:31:33.239
<v Speaker 3>me the word babies.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, so this here we go with the word expectation,

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01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:38.159
<v Speaker 6>which is not even you don't even hold to that.

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01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:41.359
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well still, look, let me ask you another thing,

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01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:45.720
<v Speaker 3>exactly exactly way your Michael, y'all, what instantly said to

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01:31:45.880 --> 01:31:49.319
<v Speaker 3>murder being Allah flooded the people of Noah? Did he

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01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:56.560
<v Speaker 3>drown babies? That's God doing that, not in or drown babies.

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01:31:56.720 --> 01:31:59.479
<v Speaker 6>Oh that's God doing it, not an army doing it. Okay, yeah,

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01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:02.000
<v Speaker 6>good art, Get on another question, Yeah exactly, that's not

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<v Speaker 6>That's how I see you, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you another questions when answer he murder babies?

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01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:16.439
<v Speaker 3>Yes or no? Are there are there baby? When Allah

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<v Speaker 3>pelted Sodom and go mora with in the word kill

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01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:25.760
<v Speaker 3>babies in the verse that you quoted, Are there babies?

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01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes or no?

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01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:28.880
<v Speaker 3>I want to see if you're honest, Sam, chapter Live

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01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Christianity will teach you to lie.

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01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:37.319
<v Speaker 6>You understand that the verse is about the death of babies.

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01:32:37.319 --> 01:32:40.840
<v Speaker 6>You don't understand that so an army is ordered to

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01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:44.840
<v Speaker 6>murder babies in that your own, your own God drowned

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01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:46.159
<v Speaker 6>babies in the flood.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, that's God doing it. That's okay.

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01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:53.039
<v Speaker 6>Exactly. So what's the difference.

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01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:56.800
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, there's a there's a difference, and it's what forcing

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01:32:56.880 --> 01:32:58.760
<v Speaker 13>another human to murder babies?

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01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:02.800
<v Speaker 3>That's that's ford to decide, not humans. Notice he said

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01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:04.359
<v Speaker 3>the God decided, So Allah.

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01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:08.600
<v Speaker 13>Decided that Mussa, he did not decide to murder babies.

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01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:13.439
<v Speaker 3>That's yahweh Allah, you're Satan.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, Where where's the word babies in the burden?

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<v Speaker 6>This is Muslim?

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<v Speaker 2>There sam.

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01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:27.439
<v Speaker 3>The god that ordering an army to murder is where

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01:33:27.520 --> 01:33:31.039
<v Speaker 3>is the word law chafon mama? Chathon ordered Musa to

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01:33:31.159 --> 01:33:33.640
<v Speaker 3>enter the promised then to kill them. It doesn't say

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01:33:33.680 --> 01:33:35.800
<v Speaker 3>don't kill babies. Where does the verse say that, don't

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<v Speaker 3>shift the burden?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, he's coming. They always do this. They come up

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01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:42.359
<v Speaker 6>with these arbitrary standards, and they say, well, but the

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<v Speaker 6>verse doesn't say this word. Where's trinity in the Bible?

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<v Speaker 6>Where's in the Bible?

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<v Speaker 3>See that's the thing. This is why they want to

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01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:51.560
<v Speaker 3>talk to you about me, because I know these arguments

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01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:53.840
<v Speaker 3>and turn against them. But you guys heard him admit

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<v Speaker 3>that his Allah was the one who drawn babies at

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01:33:57.399 --> 01:33:59.680
<v Speaker 3>the time of No, that's okay. If my Olah murders

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01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:01.159
<v Speaker 3>baby as long as humans.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't do it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's that silly. Well, this is the same point

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<v Speaker 6>when I asked Azra Rashid, he said that women's private

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<v Speaker 6>parts are nasty and God could never be near them.

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<v Speaker 6>And I said, well, who created them?

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<v Speaker 17>You know what you do it?

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<v Speaker 3>Next time, Jay, you know what you do? What when

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01:34:16.640 --> 01:34:19.279
<v Speaker 3>they say that about the private part? Says this is

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<v Speaker 3>chapter sixty six, verse twelve. Now the Muslims are ashamed

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<v Speaker 3>of this translation, but I'm going to give you a

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01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:26.920
<v Speaker 3>translation from a Muslim. Well, I don't know I can share.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll send it to you on Skype. It says about

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01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:33.520
<v Speaker 3>Mary Mediam vint Imaran. Now, guys, this is not the

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01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:35.920
<v Speaker 3>real Mary, so don't be offended. This is not the

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01:34:35.960 --> 01:34:41.439
<v Speaker 3>real Mary. It says she guarded senate for Jaha. Ask

1690
01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:46.199
<v Speaker 3>any Arabic reading Christian, the word fuage means private part.

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01:34:46.880 --> 01:34:49.840
<v Speaker 3>She guarded her private part and we blew into her

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01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:53.680
<v Speaker 3>private parts. So Allah loves to blow into women's private parts.

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01:34:54.560 --> 01:34:58.279
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but and I mean this is there's multiple examples.

1694
01:34:58.279 --> 01:35:00.960
<v Speaker 6>I've got it pulled up on the screen. It's making

1695
01:35:01.039 --> 01:35:03.600
<v Speaker 6>your point there. I agree. But what I'm saying is

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01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:06.560
<v Speaker 6>that I mean, if if God creates these things, like,

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01:35:07.359 --> 01:35:10.800
<v Speaker 6>obviously they can't be inherently unclean. That's kind of silly exactly.

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01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:11.760
<v Speaker 3>But that's my point.

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01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Jay.

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01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:15.119
<v Speaker 3>If they have a problem with God becoming human and

1701
01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:17.680
<v Speaker 3>coming out of the holy concent crated woman, a blessed virgin,

1702
01:35:18.079 --> 01:35:20.359
<v Speaker 3>then that means they must have a problem with their

1703
01:35:20.439 --> 01:35:22.199
<v Speaker 3>God blowing into a woman's private.

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01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:26.479
<v Speaker 6>Thing exactly, the JJ blower. And it's on the screen,

1705
01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:30.159
<v Speaker 6>by the way. Yep, So here we have another chrome.

1706
01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:31.680
<v Speaker 6>What's up there?

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01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:31.920
<v Speaker 2>We go?

1708
01:35:32.319 --> 01:35:38.560
<v Speaker 6>I'm mute, Chrome, you have to unmute to speak. I

1709
01:35:38.640 --> 01:35:39.800
<v Speaker 6>wasn't expecting ego sistem.

1710
01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:44.079
<v Speaker 9>I was listening to your Fabian and Milner conspiracy video

1711
01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:44.800
<v Speaker 9>the second part.

1712
01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, really very interesting question, not religious?

1713
01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:50.479
<v Speaker 3>How old?

1714
01:35:51.199 --> 01:35:54.359
<v Speaker 2>Like when was the book that you're referencing with all

1715
01:35:54.399 --> 01:35:58.199
<v Speaker 2>its truths? What was before that was? Like? When was

1716
01:35:58.239 --> 01:35:58.640
<v Speaker 2>that made?

1717
01:35:59.359 --> 01:36:00.319
<v Speaker 6>What are you talking about?

1718
01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Like, so you guys are referencing sorry this.

1719
01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:06.760
<v Speaker 6>Parble do so I'm not trying to be like that

1720
01:36:07.039 --> 01:36:09.039
<v Speaker 6>is this on the topic. We're not talking about conspiracy

1721
01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:09.560
<v Speaker 6>stuff today.

1722
01:36:10.840 --> 01:36:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I'm just saying that. That's the kind

1723
01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:14.439
<v Speaker 2>of first full video of yours I watched.

1724
01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:18.319
<v Speaker 6>Okay, yeah, yeah, I talked about Islam being a tool

1725
01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:19.880
<v Speaker 6>in the UK and the U. What about it?

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01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:23.119
<v Speaker 3>Sure, Yeah, I'm not that's not I wasn't making to

1727
01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:24.159
<v Speaker 3>jump into it in that way.

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01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:28.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying I don't follow any these books. I

1729
01:36:28.760 --> 01:36:30.800
<v Speaker 2>haven't read any of them. I don't really know anything.

1730
01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:32.319
<v Speaker 6>Okay, So what's the question.

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01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:36.680
<v Speaker 2>When the book? Is there a book that you follow

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01:36:36.760 --> 01:36:40.079
<v Speaker 2>that you think has like the master information?

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01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:43.239
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I don't know there's any one book that

1734
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.119
<v Speaker 6>has master information. I mean I listed many books. The

1735
01:36:46.159 --> 01:36:49.399
<v Speaker 6>book that you're talking about is this book Milner Fabian

1736
01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:52.199
<v Speaker 6>Conspiracy by Ratio, and that he's basing a lot of

1737
01:36:52.239 --> 01:36:54.479
<v Speaker 6>his information on the book Tragian Hope, which is a

1738
01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:57.840
<v Speaker 6>gigantic geopolitical text that I've lectured through. So you may

1739
01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:01.039
<v Speaker 6>be asking about Tragian Hope. MKG, what's up?

1740
01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:03.800
<v Speaker 3>Muslims come up, guys?

1741
01:37:04.079 --> 01:37:07.279
<v Speaker 6>Come on, yeah, I mean, there's one hundred and thirteen

1742
01:37:07.359 --> 01:37:11.279
<v Speaker 6>fourteen people here. We got another nine hundred online. So

1743
01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:13.039
<v Speaker 6>where's all the Muslims at.

1744
01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:15.720
<v Speaker 3>I happened too, I bought a nine hundred on mind.

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01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:17.760
<v Speaker 6>Okay, And Muslims come on in here. You got here's

1746
01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:20.039
<v Speaker 6>the link to the stream to the spaces.

1747
01:37:21.479 --> 01:37:23.319
<v Speaker 3>You're not going to get this offen. This brother is

1748
01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:25.399
<v Speaker 3>busy and I'm busy for me to be here. Come on,

1749
01:37:25.479 --> 01:37:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Muslims moving my place? Come on? Ye go ahead, Yeah,

1750
01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:31.640
<v Speaker 3>not a Muslim.

1751
01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:37.279
<v Speaker 16>But regarding the huge job issue, I think that what's

1752
01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:41.279
<v Speaker 16>happening here, it's pretty funny. They know that they don't

1753
01:37:41.279 --> 01:37:44.079
<v Speaker 16>want to do anything that's non They want to basically

1754
01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:47.239
<v Speaker 16>throw the Salafies at you and just put you away

1755
01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:51.119
<v Speaker 16>like they don't want to deal with you guys, because

1756
01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:55.600
<v Speaker 16>it's just it's so frustrating to see what's happening. I

1757
01:37:55.760 --> 01:37:59.640
<v Speaker 16>think Sam the snow offense to you, but I don't

1758
01:37:59.720 --> 01:38:00.479
<v Speaker 16>think he.

1759
01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:02.039
<v Speaker 3>Y'all will do it if you're there.

1760
01:38:02.680 --> 01:38:05.840
<v Speaker 6>I think Jaya, he's already, he's already declined.

1761
01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:08.640
<v Speaker 3>What do you mean? Yeah, no, I think Myron can

1762
01:38:08.680 --> 01:38:13.439
<v Speaker 3>get him to come. But it's you, young man. This

1763
01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:17.560
<v Speaker 3>is recorded. Actually we haven't recorded. Uh Mohammed jab said

1764
01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:20.359
<v Speaker 3>he'll only debate me if I agreed to fight him

1765
01:38:20.640 --> 01:38:25.119
<v Speaker 3>in a mixed martial arts No, I'm not lying. We've

1766
01:38:25.239 --> 01:38:28.279
<v Speaker 3>got to record it. He goes, he'll only debate me

1767
01:38:28.560 --> 01:38:31.760
<v Speaker 3>if I agree to fight him in a professional well

1768
01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:34.640
<v Speaker 3>not professional, he's amateur. But in a mixed martial arts service.

1769
01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:38.079
<v Speaker 3>So I said, Okay, tell you what, here, three debates.

1770
01:38:39.039 --> 01:38:41.720
<v Speaker 3>We'll do the three debates, and I promise you after

1771
01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:44.520
<v Speaker 3>the debates, I'll train to knock your teeth out in

1772
01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:48.439
<v Speaker 3>a MMA contest. Because he thinks this, hears me, he goes, no,

1773
01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:50.319
<v Speaker 3>We're going to do the fight first, then the debates.

1774
01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:53.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm not lying, Jay, we have recorded.

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01:38:53.399 --> 01:38:54.359
<v Speaker 6>I believe.

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01:38:54.720 --> 01:38:57.359
<v Speaker 16>Yeah, there's a lot of lines going on here. The

1777
01:38:57.439 --> 01:38:59.359
<v Speaker 16>reason I brought that up, I know you rejected it.

1778
01:38:59.439 --> 01:39:02.560
<v Speaker 16>But this thing is evolving because people are pushing back.

1779
01:39:02.600 --> 01:39:05.319
<v Speaker 16>They don't want Jake on Myron's being very attentive to

1780
01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:08.199
<v Speaker 16>this because he's very attentive on Twitter or ex whatever.

1781
01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:12.159
<v Speaker 16>So this thing is evolving. Nothing's fixed. Anything could change,

1782
01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:16.520
<v Speaker 16>that's my belief anyway, So the two v two could

1783
01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:19.079
<v Speaker 16>turn into a one v one. It could be Daniel,

1784
01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:21.159
<v Speaker 16>it could switch, that's my opinion.

1785
01:39:21.239 --> 01:39:22.840
<v Speaker 6>Well, I'm not going to have the same debate one

1786
01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:25.479
<v Speaker 6>on one with Daniel that I've already had one.

1787
01:39:25.920 --> 01:39:28.880
<v Speaker 3>I'll do that. I want him, okay, But one thing,

1788
01:39:29.560 --> 01:39:33.840
<v Speaker 3>why would Muslims not want Jay Dyer, who has become

1789
01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:39.760
<v Speaker 3>known as an orthodoxygitarian philosopher, extraordinary and me known for

1790
01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:42.880
<v Speaker 3>my knowledge of Ala. I'm not trying to boast and

1791
01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:46.920
<v Speaker 3>take us and then squash us in order to vindicate us.

1792
01:39:46.960 --> 01:39:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Not because you.

1793
01:39:48.720 --> 01:39:52.079
<v Speaker 16>Guys are on the offensive. Every other Christian debate, there's

1794
01:39:52.079 --> 01:39:57.159
<v Speaker 16>always the defensive. It's always defending the Trinity, defending you know, Christianity,

1795
01:39:57.239 --> 01:40:00.760
<v Speaker 16>defending what's in the Old Testament. It's never offensive, it's

1796
01:40:00.840 --> 01:40:03.840
<v Speaker 16>never is there any continuity with the.

1797
01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:07.479
<v Speaker 3>Right you saw when they attacked the Old Testament. I

1798
01:40:07.560 --> 01:40:09.640
<v Speaker 3>just go to the crowd to show that, according to Krawn,

1799
01:40:09.720 --> 01:40:12.000
<v Speaker 3>all ordered these wars in the Old Testament.

1800
01:40:12.880 --> 01:40:17.039
<v Speaker 16>Yeah, so they're not used to this, and I think

1801
01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:19.800
<v Speaker 16>it's just a demeanor thing. They want the more traditional

1802
01:40:19.880 --> 01:40:21.000
<v Speaker 16>and that's why when.

1803
01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:23.439
<v Speaker 3>You watch like Jay and Shabi Ali.

1804
01:40:24.039 --> 01:40:27.439
<v Speaker 16>Shaver Ali is in this very you know two five

1805
01:40:27.680 --> 01:40:30.640
<v Speaker 16>kind of demeanor of like oh, cordial back and forth

1806
01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:33.600
<v Speaker 16>and Jays just hitting him with everything. Is like Jay Jay,

1807
01:40:35.119 --> 01:40:37.239
<v Speaker 16>if you if you, if you don't mind that, please

1808
01:40:37.359 --> 01:40:40.560
<v Speaker 16>just wait, I'm going you know, like he's just stammering,

1809
01:40:40.640 --> 01:40:42.920
<v Speaker 16>he can't handle it. I think that's part of it.

1810
01:40:43.239 --> 01:40:46.640
<v Speaker 16>And what makes me really mad is that Mohammed head job.

1811
01:40:46.800 --> 01:40:49.319
<v Speaker 16>That's his style. That's what he did to David Wood.

1812
01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:54.199
<v Speaker 16>He was filibustering and dish galloping on that stage. I

1813
01:40:54.199 --> 01:40:55.199
<v Speaker 16>don't know how many years ago.

1814
01:40:55.520 --> 01:40:58.119
<v Speaker 3>See, this is why might like he could give it,

1815
01:40:58.239 --> 01:41:00.119
<v Speaker 3>but he can't take it. This is very short. This

1816
01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:03.239
<v Speaker 3>is why my brother, I know their mindset and I'm

1817
01:41:03.239 --> 01:41:05.680
<v Speaker 3>willing to stoop in the mud and stuff them in

1818
01:41:05.680 --> 01:41:08.560
<v Speaker 3>their mud because I'm willing to go there and treat

1819
01:41:08.600 --> 01:41:09.279
<v Speaker 3>them accordingly.

1820
01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1821
01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:11.399
<v Speaker 3>So this is probably why he doesn't want to be

1822
01:41:11.479 --> 01:41:13.319
<v Speaker 3>because he knows he won't get away with rhetoric with me,

1823
01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:15.439
<v Speaker 3>Sam and Jay.

1824
01:41:15.520 --> 01:41:17.800
<v Speaker 16>I don't know how close here are with James, but

1825
01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:21.840
<v Speaker 16>I'm based on the video that Daniel put out.

1826
01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:26.479
<v Speaker 3>It seemed pretty straightforward. So James lying like, yes, brother,

1827
01:41:26.680 --> 01:41:29.920
<v Speaker 3>what straightforward? He said that he changed the dates like

1828
01:41:31.960 --> 01:41:35.560
<v Speaker 3>if you did you watch, my brother, You're gonna make

1829
01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:39.279
<v Speaker 3>me want to hang myself with my shoes. Did you watch?

1830
01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:43.920
<v Speaker 3>When I published the email on my YouTube channel comnic

1831
01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:47.399
<v Speaker 3>post because James reached out to me and I said,

1832
01:41:47.479 --> 01:41:49.800
<v Speaker 3>here are the four topics. He came back and said

1833
01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:54.119
<v Speaker 3>Daniel Hakikachu accepted. I go great, I'm ready. Then he

1834
01:41:54.199 --> 01:41:56.800
<v Speaker 3>comes back and tells me here's what Danny wants to debate.

1835
01:41:56.880 --> 01:41:58.800
<v Speaker 3>So he confused me. I said, wait, I thought you

1836
01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:03.319
<v Speaker 3>said he accepted these four debates. No, he wants to

1837
01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:06.159
<v Speaker 3>debate these three with those three. And I said, now, James,

1838
01:42:06.199 --> 01:42:08.640
<v Speaker 3>and the emails are there, dude, I got the receipts.

1839
01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:11.680
<v Speaker 3>I said, I want to understand, because here's where I

1840
01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:12.359
<v Speaker 3>don't understand.

1841
01:42:12.479 --> 01:42:13.319
<v Speaker 2>And I said it to Jay.

1842
01:42:13.399 --> 01:42:15.199
<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to waste my time and breath again

1843
01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:18.039
<v Speaker 3>on this coward because now he can call out my bluff.

1844
01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:20.760
<v Speaker 3>I said, Daniel, let's do the debates. Now, who's running?

1845
01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:24.479
<v Speaker 3>I said, debate me? Muhammads do the Bible? Why do

1846
01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:27.399
<v Speaker 3>I do that? See what I did to that Muslim.

1847
01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:30.359
<v Speaker 3>If I show them that Muhammad confirmed the Bible, they

1848
01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:32.960
<v Speaker 3>can't attack the Bible anymore because they're going to bury

1849
01:42:32.960 --> 01:42:36.119
<v Speaker 3>their profit. But if they agree with Muhammad the Bible

1850
01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:39.239
<v Speaker 3>is not corrupted, then that still buries Mohammad because he

1851
01:42:39.359 --> 01:42:41.039
<v Speaker 3>contradicts the Bible down what they do.

1852
01:42:41.319 --> 01:42:43.239
<v Speaker 16>I just want to make one last point and that

1853
01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:44.239
<v Speaker 16>I'll get out of your ears.

1854
01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I know, But.

1855
01:42:50.520 --> 01:42:52.640
<v Speaker 16>One thing I really want to emphasize here is that

1856
01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:56.279
<v Speaker 16>I feel there's a momentum. There's a big snowball happening here,

1857
01:42:56.359 --> 01:42:57.600
<v Speaker 16>that's continuously rolling.

1858
01:42:57.720 --> 01:43:00.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't want us to lose this, That's what I'm saying.

1859
01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:03.159
<v Speaker 3>Whether whether who pulls out pulls in.

1860
01:43:03.319 --> 01:43:06.439
<v Speaker 6>Doesn't matter, we've already said.

1861
01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:10.279
<v Speaker 3>But I think that's very clear that I think and

1862
01:43:10.359 --> 01:43:11.680
<v Speaker 3>me as we speak, we appreciate you.

1863
01:43:13.159 --> 01:43:14.920
<v Speaker 6>We've already agreed to whoever we don't.

1864
01:43:17.079 --> 01:43:20.119
<v Speaker 16>So basically, I'm saying that for the last I've seen

1865
01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:23.479
<v Speaker 16>this the last five seven months, people are super chatting,

1866
01:43:23.560 --> 01:43:26.199
<v Speaker 16>fresh and fit people are super super chatting sneaker.

1867
01:43:27.279 --> 01:43:29.640
<v Speaker 3>Why aren't you having jay On? Why actually having sam On?

1868
01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:30.600
<v Speaker 3>Why actually having jay On?

1869
01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:34.000
<v Speaker 16>When they're ignoring, they're acting like they're they're not reading

1870
01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:34.600
<v Speaker 16>these things.

1871
01:43:34.680 --> 01:43:35.680
<v Speaker 3>It's very strange.

1872
01:43:36.159 --> 01:43:40.000
<v Speaker 16>So I'm just saying that the people are wanting this,

1873
01:43:40.239 --> 01:43:42.760
<v Speaker 16>and I just even if can I give you because you.

1874
01:43:42.760 --> 01:43:45.039
<v Speaker 3>Seem like really hurt and can I come and hug you?

1875
01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:48.920
<v Speaker 16>I mean, I want to see this, I really want

1876
01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:51.319
<v Speaker 16>to see this, and I don't want don't want this.

1877
01:43:52.760 --> 01:43:55.079
<v Speaker 3>Can I get in a word before you? I mean,

1878
01:43:55.079 --> 01:43:57.760
<v Speaker 3>you coming off to so you deserve it because you

1879
01:43:57.880 --> 01:44:01.600
<v Speaker 3>keep wanting can I know on your side? But okay, okayorry, okay,

1880
01:44:01.800 --> 01:44:03.560
<v Speaker 3>why don't you hit the door and make sure it's

1881
01:44:03.720 --> 01:44:04.600
<v Speaker 3>it's you on the way out.

1882
01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:09.880
<v Speaker 6>All right, we have I think we have a Muslim here. Uh,

1883
01:44:10.119 --> 01:44:10.760
<v Speaker 6>let's see.

1884
01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:14.359
<v Speaker 3>If you know that guy's address. I want to go

1885
01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:16.680
<v Speaker 3>give him a little hug and maybe buddy bike.

1886
01:44:17.399 --> 01:44:22.680
<v Speaker 6>Sounded like you want to, Zach, Zach Riah, what's up?

1887
01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Man?

1888
01:44:24.520 --> 01:44:26.720
<v Speaker 6>We had a Muslim? He dropped off Muslims if you

1889
01:44:26.840 --> 01:44:27.439
<v Speaker 6>like to come on, and.

1890
01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Uh, Jay's got other topics he wants to get to,

1891
01:44:31.680 --> 01:44:33.399
<v Speaker 3>so come almost ms put me in by place so

1892
01:44:33.439 --> 01:44:35.880
<v Speaker 3>I can leave him to his sessions.

1893
01:44:36.439 --> 01:44:37.319
<v Speaker 6>Zach Ryan, what's up?

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<v Speaker 28>Yes, sir, I just want to briefly say Sam schmou

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<v Speaker 28>and I just heard about you today and hear that

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<v Speaker 28>and uh yeah no, I I mean we need more

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<v Speaker 28>of you kicking Muslims asses because they really can't seem

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<v Speaker 28>to handle how articulate you are. And and just there

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<v Speaker 28>is not enough content and out there where articulate Christians

1900
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<v Speaker 28>are refuting Islam. So I'm going to get out of here,

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<v Speaker 28>but I just want to say you remember, I want

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<v Speaker 28>to see more of Jay and you freaking Mike. I

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<v Speaker 28>don't care who you're debating anytime.

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<v Speaker 3>J knows I'm here I got his back, not that

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<v Speaker 3>he needs me at any time, but I remember this.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that seeing in the radio ice here, We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to kick your ass all the way back to

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<v Speaker 3>Bagdad like that.

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<v Speaker 6>What's up, Doc Holliday, what's up man? I'm youute, my joy?

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<v Speaker 15>Hi Sam?

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<v Speaker 2>I just got like two short questions if I can.

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<v Speaker 2>The best question is in relation to Hell.

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<v Speaker 21>You know he's letting me friends all colleagues that come

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<v Speaker 21>on spices, I multodox Christian. But in relation to the

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<v Speaker 21>Holy Trinity, saying would they like follow the case principle?

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<v Speaker 21>A good enough example when I questioned the Holy Trinity.

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<v Speaker 21>If a person steps out said and says, the sun

1918
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<v Speaker 21>shining the little Jesus cross is the sun. The sun

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<v Speaker 21>provide us energy, warmth, and light. But the sun is

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<v Speaker 21>still one right, good initial example.

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<v Speaker 3>And the second let me comment on that. You gave

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<v Speaker 3>an example that was used even in early Christian fathers

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<v Speaker 3>with Jay would know more than me. But that example

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<v Speaker 3>actually is derived from Hebrews one three. What do I

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<v Speaker 3>mean if you look at the word Hebrew and Hebrews

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<v Speaker 3>one three, there's a word apple gosma. Excuse me for

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<v Speaker 3>butchering the Greek apple Gosma says, he is the radiance

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<v Speaker 3>of God's glory, radiance the outshining of God's glory. So

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<v Speaker 3>that imagery, that imagery itself evokes the image of the sun,

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<v Speaker 3>let's say, and then the rays of the sun. So

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<v Speaker 3>there the Lord is depicted as the rays, the radiance

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<v Speaker 3>of the sun. So that would be an apt analogy.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're gonna have to keep stressing an analogy is

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<v Speaker 3>not identical to God because those.

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<v Speaker 6>You get the point, Yeah, and I got heures one

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<v Speaker 6>pulled up here for those that are curious, we want

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<v Speaker 6>to see those texts there. And then we got a

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<v Speaker 6>Muslim here, Muslim. He's just conveniently named Muslim. Makes it easier.

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<v Speaker 3>Watcher's gonna attack. I'm mute, all ready for the attack.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's go, you got I'm mute Muslim?

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<v Speaker 3>Hello?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hello, hello, hello, yes, yes, hello, yes, that's before

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<v Speaker 2>we sold.

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<v Speaker 22>Like, I just want to say, I have a lot

1945
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<v Speaker 22>I have a lot of cool pick friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, go ahead, Okay, let's see I would just like.

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<v Speaker 2>We have now both the name of.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, how do you stead are going to prove the

1949
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<v Speaker 6>torres corrupted? Here we go?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you can't you please hold on listen to me.

1951
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<v Speaker 3>Please don't make the mistake. Are you listening you want

1952
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<v Speaker 3>to talk about? Please don't make the mistake of misquoting

1953
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<v Speaker 3>from a bus. Are you gonna make.

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<v Speaker 2>This set up? Wait?

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna give me who.

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<v Speaker 12>And Ben?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you gonna give me somewhere?

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<v Speaker 2>No love?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 6>Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 3>Now? Elbodi? What centuries of the body? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 3>I said, who oh Albani? You mean the twentieth century? Set?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 3>I well, I'm going the way Ja. If you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know he's appealing Albanie. Can let me explain to Jay

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01:49:04.640 --> 01:49:06.720
<v Speaker 3>who you're quoting. Dude, Okay, it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Hard to hear what's being said.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, he's referring to chef Albani. He was an

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<v Speaker 3>Albanian chef of the twentieth century.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the head.

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<v Speaker 3>He is going to quote you from some guy from

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01:49:16.800 --> 01:49:23.359
<v Speaker 3>the twentieth century. Remember that before I know?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's funny. Get to that da before the time

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01:49:31.199 --> 01:49:33.960
<v Speaker 3>for night prayer and then you're going to have to

1977
01:49:34.079 --> 01:49:35.800
<v Speaker 3>go to sleep and then flush out saying that if

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<v Speaker 3>you're not in the morning.

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<v Speaker 22>But yeah, I'm going to Okay, what's that good? I'm

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<v Speaker 22>I'm going to yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm the American Norman and Abbie Berta and Abbi call.

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<v Speaker 3>One.

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<v Speaker 5>Have this is a hood?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay translate, okay, one. We had a talk in private

1985
01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:14.960
<v Speaker 3>translated guy, because I give you from your pa.

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<v Speaker 25>If you are going to I want to already.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you translate, buddy before the rapture?

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<v Speaker 6>Come on, we don't need you to read the whole

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<v Speaker 6>Arabic thing. Just make the argument translated.

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<v Speaker 22>Guy, be patient.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It also great when he was with go ahead translated.

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<v Speaker 6>If you're going to come on, dude, stop?

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<v Speaker 3>Does this guy translate this year? Is he waiting for?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you translate? To the point that the pones of

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<v Speaker 3>Israel rut a book and left the Yeah, you just

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<v Speaker 3>embarrassed yourself, did you?

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<v Speaker 15>Guys?

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<v Speaker 2>Hear it?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me let me? Can I address your headeth that

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<v Speaker 3>now it's gonna to bury you. I'm going to do

2001
01:51:01.159 --> 01:51:03.840
<v Speaker 3>your jeniza. Guys that you hear what he said? The

2002
01:51:03.960 --> 01:51:07.000
<v Speaker 3>sons of Israel wrote a book. Can I address you?

2003
01:51:07.119 --> 01:51:10.079
<v Speaker 3>Or you want to keep reciting Kuran by Barkil? The

2004
01:51:10.239 --> 01:51:14.079
<v Speaker 3>Sons of Israel left the book, wrote a book, left

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01:51:14.119 --> 01:51:16.840
<v Speaker 3>the Torah. Now number one, that's the sons of Israel.

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01:51:16.840 --> 01:51:19.000
<v Speaker 3>But I know you're not too bright. The Toro is

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01:51:19.039 --> 01:51:20.800
<v Speaker 3>also in the hands of the Christians and they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>change it. So even if I agree with you, even

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01:51:24.359 --> 01:51:27.079
<v Speaker 3>if I agree with your perversion of that hadif even

2010
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<v Speaker 3>if I agree, all you're proving is that some Jews

2011
01:51:30.640 --> 01:51:33.079
<v Speaker 3>corrupt the Torah. But the Toro is also with the Christians,

2012
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<v Speaker 3>and your prophet didn't say the Christians corrupted the Torah,

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<v Speaker 3>so this tour is still preserved. Secondly, he didn't say

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01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:42.920
<v Speaker 3>they changed the Torah. He said they left the Torah

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<v Speaker 3>for another book. How can they leave the Torah if

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01:51:45.399 --> 01:51:47.199
<v Speaker 3>they don't know what the Torah is? Genius?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I've heard you make that argument too, on another

2018
01:51:53.279 --> 01:51:56.359
<v Speaker 6>h on another argument that you have with somebody else.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you want to make your second point?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the genius tell me, how can they abandoned the

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01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:07.359
<v Speaker 3>tour if they didn't have it? I'm you, Okay, I

2022
01:52:07.399 --> 01:52:08.359
<v Speaker 3>don't know why I left.

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<v Speaker 6>How did they leave the tour if they didn't have it?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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01:52:15.640 --> 01:52:15.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I get any reading?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you answer the read the rest of the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I know was insomnia, But can you I'll when when

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01:52:29.880 --> 01:52:31.640
<v Speaker 3>you go and get me when you when you read.

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<v Speaker 2>And you.

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01:52:35.079 --> 01:52:36.600
<v Speaker 6>Out of your nose, are you going to answer how

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01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:37.960
<v Speaker 6>they left at it? They didn't have it or not?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, as a certain they didn't have it. Oh

2034
01:52:43.640 --> 01:52:48.000
<v Speaker 3>they lost it? Yeah it, Oh they did, that's why.

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<v Speaker 3>And soon I'm not going to use a Albani against you.

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<v Speaker 3>You mentioned Albani right soon in a number forty four

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<v Speaker 3>thirty four, and I'll get you the link, j.

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<v Speaker 12>Son.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I wish the point you want to again? Let

2040
01:53:02.359 --> 01:53:08.000
<v Speaker 3>me finish the point. And soon a classified as hassan

2041
01:53:08.239 --> 01:53:12.800
<v Speaker 3>by Albani. Your prophets said to the Jews, bring me

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01:53:12.960 --> 01:53:15.760
<v Speaker 3>the torah. They brought the torah. He put it on

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01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:18.439
<v Speaker 3>the cushion. There torah, and he said, I believe in

2044
01:53:18.520 --> 01:53:25.239
<v Speaker 3>you and him who sent you. How did they if

2045
01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:31.960
<v Speaker 3>they brought the torah to your profit? This only is dying. No,

2046
01:53:32.319 --> 01:53:36.119
<v Speaker 3>it's I'm gonna no, no, no, I'm gonna get the idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't let him run stop presiding, Koran. We heard you.

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<v Speaker 3>Take it easy. Let me get you there, Jake, you're

2049
01:53:51.119 --> 01:53:59.279
<v Speaker 3>gonna change your position. It's happens. It's yeah. I hold

2050
01:53:59.319 --> 01:53:59.880
<v Speaker 3>on a bit t.

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01:54:04.279 --> 01:54:06.680
<v Speaker 6>Send you the link you can sent on Skype. I

2052
01:54:06.720 --> 01:54:07.319
<v Speaker 6>got skype up.

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<v Speaker 12>Okay, oh, I don't.

2054
01:54:08.840 --> 01:54:10.039
<v Speaker 3>Want to hear you recite.

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01:54:11.960 --> 01:54:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Let's let us bring.

2056
01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Let's bring the because you said they lost it. I

2057
01:54:21.840 --> 01:54:24.680
<v Speaker 3>think the only thing you was lost is the brainsails

2058
01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:26.800
<v Speaker 3>from kissing the black stone. Because here it says they

2059
01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:27.079
<v Speaker 3>had it.

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<v Speaker 6>I got it pulled up. I have it pulled up.

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01:54:32.840 --> 01:54:34.760
<v Speaker 3>Can you read jay? Can you read it?

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01:54:34.800 --> 01:54:37.680
<v Speaker 6>From a group of Jews came and invited the Messenger

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01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:41.159
<v Speaker 6>of a So he visited them in their school. They

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<v Speaker 6>said him, one of our men has committed for nication

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01:54:45.359 --> 01:54:47.720
<v Speaker 6>with a woman, so pronounced judgment upon them. They placed

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<v Speaker 6>a cushion for the Messenger of Allah, who sat on

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01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:52.640
<v Speaker 6>it and said, bring the Torah. It was then brought.

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<v Speaker 6>He then withdrew the cushion beneath him and placed the

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<v Speaker 6>Torah on it, saying, I believe THEE and in him

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01:54:58.880 --> 01:55:01.520
<v Speaker 6>who revealed the Then he said, bring me one who

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01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:03.920
<v Speaker 6>has learned among you. The young man was brought. The

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<v Speaker 6>transmitter then miss mentioned the rest of this tradition of stoning,

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<v Speaker 6>similar to the one transmitted about my league from Nafi.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the great there?

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01:55:12.680 --> 01:55:13.000
<v Speaker 15>What is it?

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01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:23.399
<v Speaker 3>What is the great hawsan? That means good? Now did

2077
01:55:23.479 --> 01:55:25.880
<v Speaker 3>you hear him, Jay, because then you can engage in logically.

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01:55:26.319 --> 01:55:28.640
<v Speaker 3>He said, they lost the Tora, right, that's what he said.

2079
01:55:30.359 --> 01:55:33.279
<v Speaker 3>What what torah then did they bring? If it was lost?

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01:55:35.079 --> 01:55:38.359
<v Speaker 3>Now you can engage them logically. Go ahead, I'll just okay.

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01:55:41.479 --> 01:55:47.119
<v Speaker 3>And is the only one who know you're lying? Yes,

2082
01:55:47.199 --> 01:55:52.520
<v Speaker 3>that's a lie. Ja, let me l Josie, you're a liar?

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01:55:56.439 --> 01:56:01.560
<v Speaker 3>Can I make my point? L Josie said that there

2084
01:56:01.680 --> 01:56:05.079
<v Speaker 3>was a group of Ulama that cited this headdeth as

2085
01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:07.479
<v Speaker 3>proof that the Torah has not been changed? Why are

2086
01:56:07.520 --> 01:56:09.279
<v Speaker 3>you lying? Let me get you that article?

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01:56:10.039 --> 01:56:13.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was about to Yeah this your answering isla article?

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01:56:14.479 --> 01:56:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Did you get fam?

2089
01:56:16.479 --> 01:56:16.840
<v Speaker 2>You have it?

2090
01:56:17.359 --> 01:56:19.359
<v Speaker 6>Is it the one about the Bible's not being corrupted?

2091
01:56:19.600 --> 01:56:19.920
<v Speaker 2>That one?

2092
01:56:20.159 --> 01:56:25.399
<v Speaker 3>This one is one specific. I'll get you. Okay, this guy,

2093
01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:29.199
<v Speaker 3>can I make them people see why you are Let

2094
01:56:29.279 --> 01:56:32.680
<v Speaker 3>me explain to that. The guy just lied, he said,

2095
01:56:32.760 --> 01:56:35.079
<v Speaker 3>El Albani is the only one who said Hassan. But Jane,

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01:56:35.119 --> 01:56:37.399
<v Speaker 3>did you hear earlier? Who did he quote Ellbani?

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<v Speaker 9>Right?

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01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:40.920
<v Speaker 3>But now all of a sudden, Al Albani is not

2099
01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:43.840
<v Speaker 3>good enough when it says it's Hassan. But now notice

2100
01:56:43.920 --> 01:56:47.680
<v Speaker 3>his lie. He said, it's only al Albani. You're lying

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01:56:47.880 --> 01:56:52.079
<v Speaker 3>because it paying Josiah said. Other Muslim scholars accepted this,

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<v Speaker 3>headef as good and use it as proof that Torah

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<v Speaker 3>has not been corrupted. So let me get the article

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<v Speaker 3>because we don't want to hear you. Let me get

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01:56:59.399 --> 01:57:01.479
<v Speaker 3>the article. Wait so people can see you're a liar.

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<v Speaker 3>Just one second, one second, buddy. See this is why

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<v Speaker 3>they don't want me to be with you, because they'll

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<v Speaker 3>see what happens. Now here, Jay, the article right here,

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<v Speaker 3>it's been paying El jos And for the people who

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, because I don't think this guy's going to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you. It's been paying El Josiah was the student

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<v Speaker 3>of Ibn tay Me, Ibbin tay Me. Uh why because

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<v Speaker 3>the cellafie those anthropomorphists believe that Ibn Tamy is one

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<v Speaker 3>of their greatest scholars and it's two premier students. It

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<v Speaker 3>been paying El Josia and it been k now Jay,

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<v Speaker 3>as you open it, remember he just said, only al

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<v Speaker 3>Albani accepted this. IDE's right.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I can't see your screen, but you're goodness, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>where do I see your screen? Here?

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<v Speaker 6>On YouTube?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? You're on YouTube. Okay, I'm sorry, man, I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me go to YouTube channel. But on the screen,

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<v Speaker 3>do you see that part says Abu da would Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me make you see it. Let me make it

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<v Speaker 6>to where everybody can see it here.

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<v Speaker 3>And you'll see Abudhou. Now for the context here, I

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<v Speaker 3>been famous saying there's a group of scholars that said

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<v Speaker 3>that the Tora has never been corrupted.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>He mentions, let me tell the people, because the Muslim

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<v Speaker 3>is going to know who these are. He mentions Imam

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<v Speaker 3>el Bukhari El Bukhari, the collector of the Hadiza Bukhari.

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<v Speaker 3>He's one of those that Iban Pam says, believe that

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<v Speaker 3>none of the books of a law can be corrupted.

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<v Speaker 3>The tour on the Gospel have never been corrupted. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>And then he quotes abudo this headith. What does it

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<v Speaker 3>say if you can read it?

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<v Speaker 6>A group of Jewish people invited the Messenger of Allah

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<v Speaker 6>to the house. When they came, they asked him, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>Abu Kasim, one of our men committed anulture with a woman.

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<v Speaker 6>What is your judgment against him? So they placed a

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<v Speaker 6>pillow and asked the Messenger of Allah to set on it.

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<v Speaker 6>The messenger of all oppursuit to say, bring me the torah.

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<v Speaker 6>When they brought it, he removed the pillow from underneath

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<v Speaker 6>him and placed the tour on it and said, I

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<v Speaker 6>believe in you and the one who revealed you. And

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<v Speaker 6>then he said, bring me one of you who have

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<v Speaker 6>the most knowledge. They brought him a young man who

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<v Speaker 6>to the story of the stony.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I'll notice what it says right after that?

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<v Speaker 3>What did they say?

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<v Speaker 6>The scholar said, if the tora was corrupted, he would

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<v Speaker 6>not have placed it on the pillow, and he would

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<v Speaker 6>not have said I believed in you and the one

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<v Speaker 6>who revealed you.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you catch that?

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<v Speaker 2>Jay?

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<v Speaker 6>Yep?

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<v Speaker 3>Scholars plural who accepted this narration as authenticness prove that

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<v Speaker 3>the tour is not corrupt. Why is he lying?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it seems to change based on what they need

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<v Speaker 6>at the time. The argument seemed to change based on

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<v Speaker 6>what they need to do at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>So you lied now now unless he has a better argument,

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<v Speaker 3>your arguments are pathetic and weak, like yourn.

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<v Speaker 2>So is he there?

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<v Speaker 6>Do you want to come back and speak?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So don't play anymore. He left because you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to embarrass all on his messenger. See the whole your

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<v Speaker 3>entire religion is weak, Dave, not just your ideas. Any

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<v Speaker 3>other Muslim want to come and put me in my

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<v Speaker 3>place now if you haven't no one else let me.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't want you want me to wrap it up for you, brother, because.

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<v Speaker 15>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we got a couple more people. See if there's

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<v Speaker 6>uscis go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm Muslim, but I did just have

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of questions for I Sam related to a topic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yess the topic.

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<v Speaker 6>Is Islam with Sam right now, so you can ask

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<v Speaker 6>me those questions about that stuff later. Witness, did you

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<v Speaker 6>want to talk to Go ahead?

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<v Speaker 3>Just want to make sure it. Jay's here to discuss

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<v Speaker 3>and debate with Catholics the difference Bee, they worth took Catholic.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm here to help him with Islam, so keep.

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<v Speaker 2>It on his slam.

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<v Speaker 6>Go ahead. I'm mute, Witness. Do you want to U mute? Witness?

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<v Speaker 6>Last chance? I'm mute. We're moving on.

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<v Speaker 29>Yeah, No, I was just wanting to understand what gentleman

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<v Speaker 29>was saying as far as Islam goes, like, what his

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<v Speaker 29>position was.

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<v Speaker 3>The Muslim the guy that came up right now a

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<v Speaker 3>couple minutes ago. Yeah, okay. He was trying to say,

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<v Speaker 3>there are hadiths, hadith are narrations attributed Mohammed. That's Momma

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<v Speaker 3>said that Torah has corrupted. It's not uncorrupt, and he

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<v Speaker 3>quoted a haditha actually backfired because the haditha that he

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<v Speaker 3>cited he said that the children of Israel wrote a

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<v Speaker 3>book and abandoned the Torah. Notice he didn't say they

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<v Speaker 3>corupted a Torah. They replaced the Torah and followed a

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<v Speaker 3>book that they wrote. In his mind, that means the

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<v Speaker 3>Torah has been corrupted. That was his argument right from

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<v Speaker 3>from minunderstanding. I have no religious.

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<v Speaker 29>I practiced and study all religious I practiced is I

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<v Speaker 29>believe Prophet Mohammad pieces on him, said that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the grammar that was.

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<v Speaker 2>Torah is.

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<v Speaker 3>Not listening. You said, you don't you practice origins. Then

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<v Speaker 3>he said, Prophet Muhammad saladdressing me upon him, why are

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<v Speaker 3>you praying for him?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you there?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Because you said can you talk to soul religions?

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<v Speaker 3>But you said, Prophet Mohammed Salary, you can keep interrupting

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<v Speaker 3>me because I don't because you just like you just

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<v Speaker 3>pray for Mohammed. So you're a Muslim, right, I pray

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<v Speaker 3>for everybody. So Mohammad fulfilled God. Are you Christian or

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<v Speaker 3>are you Jewish? What are you?

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<v Speaker 29>Because Mohammad, prophet Muhammad, was the only human beings that

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<v Speaker 29>actually fulfill the Covenant that's in the Torah.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, well, that's ignorance of the Torah to it has

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<v Speaker 6>been corrupt. Where's the proof of that. Where's the proof

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<v Speaker 6>of that? Where's your proof of that? Where's your proof

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<v Speaker 6>of that? Where's your proof of it? Saying it's true

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<v Speaker 6>is not argument? Where's your proof of that?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? So you follow Prophet Mohammad, Salad dressing be upon him.

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<v Speaker 3>You follow Mohammads you know I'm not going to follow him.

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<v Speaker 6>You said, he said, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Said Abraham.

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<v Speaker 29>Abraham's religion is come from to the DoD dodgeball.

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<v Speaker 3>Player, stop dodging. Do you follow Mohammed?

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<v Speaker 22>Yes or no?

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<v Speaker 3>Problem? Then your prophets said the Bible is uncrupt. You

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<v Speaker 3>said it's been changed. So that means you said, Momma

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<v Speaker 3>is a liar and he's in the pitovel. So make

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<v Speaker 3>up your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not saying that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying that to Torah and all the Christian Bibles.

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<v Speaker 3>They've had definitely, especially going back to the Torah.

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<v Speaker 2>Are.

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<v Speaker 3>Does the does the Koran say that it's all corrupted?

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<v Speaker 6>Where's your argument for that prefix? So you're just shouting,

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<v Speaker 6>no argument, no idea.

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<v Speaker 3>What they're uttering is actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Quantum physics.

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<v Speaker 6>Quantum physics.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're going to be the person, this is a

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<v Speaker 3>world prophet.

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<v Speaker 6>This, This guy's insane. He's talking about quantum physics. We're

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<v Speaker 6>moving on. Did you want to say something again? Muslim

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<v Speaker 6>in your back? What's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Your hot deth the hard death guy's back, what's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm you Yeah. Address even Thames saying you're a.

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<v Speaker 6>Liar because you don't let him reply. That's why you

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<v Speaker 6>just yap and you try to just read the hadith

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<v Speaker 6>NonStop in the Koran. We want to we want your

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<v Speaker 6>replies to the arguments.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, the argument. Even Thilliams said that a group of

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<v Speaker 3>scholars accepted sound and use it as proof that the

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<v Speaker 3>tour has not changed. So give me another argument that

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<v Speaker 3>the tour has changed. I did have a yeah, let me.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, No, we gonna understand what you're saying. Man, Prince,

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<v Speaker 6>what's up? I'm you.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi?

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<v Speaker 3>This is Princess Hannah, daughter of the Chosen People.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, you have you have an argument or listen. The

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<v Speaker 6>topics are Islam. You're not Muslim, right, I'm not Muslim?

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<v Speaker 6>But okay, well the argument is about Islam, not Jewish

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<v Speaker 6>suss Keith, what's up, Keith?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. That sounds like the must.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, all right, he can't connect. We'll try somebody else. Seth,

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<v Speaker 6>what's up? We're not looking for uh uh Lutherans, so

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not trying to be rude to you, Seth, but

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<v Speaker 6>it's not Lutheran hour. Uh email, what's up? Email? Go ahead? Email?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, come bye, guys, Come on, Muslims.

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<v Speaker 6>They can't. They're having a hard time connectings. So I'm

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<v Speaker 6>gonna I'm moving on. Let's see. I don't know. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 6>if they're on cell phone, it's just hard for them

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<v Speaker 6>to connect to Twitter space. What's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Man?

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<v Speaker 6>Go ahead, I'm mute. Gott I'm mute, man, Seth, I'm mute.

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<v Speaker 3>That isn't that doesn't even sound like I'm a But anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>most of them are come on, are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it Twitter aracking up because of the Trump or something?

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<v Speaker 6>It could be Yeah, it could be that. Johnny do

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<v Speaker 6>you want to try again? What's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Oah?

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<v Speaker 2>Hello?

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<v Speaker 30>Oh, I wanted to ask as well about I was

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<v Speaker 30>watching a video on sam where he was talking about

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<v Speaker 30>the muta muta.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wanted to ask if.

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<v Speaker 26>They're like evidence of that, like yes, it didn't lead

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<v Speaker 26>to like more conquests against Christians nations.

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<v Speaker 3>Mutah, this is the problem. You're going to have. The

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<v Speaker 3>largest branch of Islam are Sunni Muslims, and in Sunni

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<v Speaker 3>Islamic tradition, that's let me explain what zoji mutah is

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<v Speaker 3>for people don't know. It's pleasure marriages. Let me explain

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<v Speaker 3>for everyone, because you have an idea, but many people

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what it is. In the Sunni tradition and

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<v Speaker 3>the shi On tradition, they both agree. They both agree

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<v Speaker 3>on this. The Muhammad allowed his jihadis because they're at war,

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<v Speaker 3>and I got to keep it because I got to

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<v Speaker 3>be careful what I say on YouTube. Man, Lord haveing channel.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, they couldn't control their passions. They wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>be intimate, but their wives weren't there. So Muhammad said,

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<v Speaker 3>go find you a woman. Go find you a woman,

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<v Speaker 3>marry her for up to three days, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>can divorce her and pay her for her services. Sunni

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<v Speaker 3>Muslims admit Muhammad did this, they say, but then it

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<v Speaker 3>was abrogated, canceled out, so that Muhammad abrogated it, and

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<v Speaker 3>Sunni Wilslim say, you can't do that anymore. The Shia

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<v Speaker 3>say no, it was never abrogated because they don't follow

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<v Speaker 3>the Sunny tradition. They have their own traditions. So as

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<v Speaker 3>you and I speak today, there are Shia Muslim I

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<v Speaker 3>have a clip actually on my YouTube channel, three young

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<v Speaker 3>Shia men admitting that this form of marriage, which is

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<v Speaker 3>not marriage. You tell a woman, hey, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>marry you for three days. When I'm done, I'll pay

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02:08:32.159 --> 02:08:34.920
<v Speaker 3>you for your services. We don't call that marriage dewey,

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02:08:35.039 --> 02:08:37.640
<v Speaker 3>we call it something else. You can you can find

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02:08:37.680 --> 02:08:42.840
<v Speaker 3>plenty of them in Las Vegas. Right coming to the issue.

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<v Speaker 25>The Shia say no, it's still part of Islam, and.

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<v Speaker 3>They go around. I actually know this for a fact.

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<v Speaker 3>They will try to find a woman I had. She

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02:08:53.920 --> 02:08:56.760
<v Speaker 3>had tell me this on palatalk years ago, that he

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<v Speaker 3>had met some woman and he was in the UK,

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<v Speaker 3>that it read to this form of marriage. He goes,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go do mutah marriage so she al Muslims

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<v Speaker 3>do it. The sonny say, no, it's forbidden, but the

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<v Speaker 3>sonny have a different form of the same thing called monia.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, So to answer your question, Muhammad allowed it

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<v Speaker 3>at the beginning, but then the sonny say he canceled

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02:09:18.399 --> 02:09:21.439
<v Speaker 3>it in his lifetime. Did she all say, you never canceled?

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<v Speaker 26>So, because I also was very safe a lot of

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02:09:26.119 --> 02:09:29.439
<v Speaker 26>the like morality of Islam, I feel like I started

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02:09:29.439 --> 02:09:32.439
<v Speaker 26>to look into it once, like my friends started converting

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02:09:32.479 --> 02:09:34.479
<v Speaker 26>to it because in my city, I'm from Baltimore, it's

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<v Speaker 26>a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of people converting to Islam against Baltimore.

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<v Speaker 26>And Philly, and they would telling me like, it's so

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02:09:41.640 --> 02:09:44.199
<v Speaker 26>morally sound, and I'm starting to see it's really.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all.

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02:09:48.239 --> 02:09:50.960
<v Speaker 26>When I my friend he went to Gail and he

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02:09:51.039 --> 02:09:53.640
<v Speaker 26>told me a lot of people was converting to Islam

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02:09:54.079 --> 02:09:56.640
<v Speaker 26>just for protection because they were very like even vicious

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<v Speaker 26>in there.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was even saying, like some of the morality

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02:10:00.039 --> 02:10:02.800
<v Speaker 3>uh uh mesh as well with.

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<v Speaker 26>Like criminality, like people who are already criminals, they don't

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02:10:05.720 --> 02:10:06.319
<v Speaker 26>have to change.

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02:10:06.439 --> 02:10:08.800
<v Speaker 3>You can extort Christians and Jews to their knowledge.

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02:10:09.479 --> 02:10:11.800
<v Speaker 26>I do like and I wanted to see like with

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02:10:12.000 --> 02:10:14.039
<v Speaker 26>like the Jiza tags and the Demi text.

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<v Speaker 3>If Jay doesn't mind, I'll answer your question. I'll do

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02:10:21.000 --> 02:10:23.119
<v Speaker 3>so much tomorrow, God willing, because people want me to

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02:10:23.239 --> 02:10:27.239
<v Speaker 3>explain what's happening in the UK Chapter nine twenty nine

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<v Speaker 3>of the Crime. According to the Muslim sources, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the last chapters of not the last chapter that Muhammad composed,

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<v Speaker 3>is chapter nine called the Tobadah Chapter of Repentance champion

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<v Speaker 3>chapter of Annulman, where Mohammad told the Pagans, any covenants

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02:10:48.720 --> 02:10:51.800
<v Speaker 3>we have, I will terminate, or with those who didn't

2364
02:10:52.640 --> 02:10:55.760
<v Speaker 3>war against them, I will allow the covenants between us

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02:10:56.199 --> 02:11:02.720
<v Speaker 3>to remain intact until the stipulated period. But afterwards, you idolators,

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02:11:02.960 --> 02:11:05.600
<v Speaker 3>you'll either convert to Slam or be killed. Now that's

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02:11:06.119 --> 02:11:09.880
<v Speaker 3>the pagan idolators. But then he targeted a second group.

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02:11:10.600 --> 02:11:14.600
<v Speaker 3>The second group called people of the book. The Arabic

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02:11:14.720 --> 02:11:18.439
<v Speaker 3>terms Ahl kitab people of the book means Jews and

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02:11:18.560 --> 02:11:23.239
<v Speaker 3>Christians because the recognizes Jews and Christians were given scripture

2371
02:11:23.439 --> 02:11:26.880
<v Speaker 3>from a law Supanawakaada. They think Allah is the god

2372
02:11:26.960 --> 02:11:31.359
<v Speaker 3>of the Bible anyway, So with them, with them, they

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02:11:31.399 --> 02:11:33.760
<v Speaker 3>have three options. Chapter nine, verse twenty nine says this.

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<v Speaker 3>This is exactly the context. Now Muhammad has masked a

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02:11:38.880 --> 02:11:45.560
<v Speaker 3>large military force. He has enough manpower. He has enough

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02:11:46.439 --> 02:11:51.840
<v Speaker 3>military might to now spread Aslam offensively. Offensive Yeah, meaning

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02:11:51.920 --> 02:11:54.159
<v Speaker 3>goal and take over lands of people who will never

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02:11:54.279 --> 02:11:55.399
<v Speaker 3>threaten Muslims.

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<v Speaker 6>With sam which vers did you say, I've got the Koran?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Man, needlass And I'm going to break this down

2381
02:12:04.520 --> 02:12:07.119
<v Speaker 3>as you saying it too. Yeah. I'll just quote it

2382
02:12:07.159 --> 02:12:10.079
<v Speaker 3>from memory because I can't, Man, I need glasses. Brother. Eventually, anyway,

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02:12:10.119 --> 02:12:14.399
<v Speaker 3>ninety twenty nine says, fight those who believe not in

2384
02:12:14.479 --> 02:12:16.199
<v Speaker 3>a law nor the last day. Now, let's break it

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02:12:16.239 --> 02:12:19.800
<v Speaker 3>down for you. Fight those who believe not in law

2386
02:12:20.079 --> 02:12:22.359
<v Speaker 3>or nor the last day. Meaning if you don't believe

2387
02:12:23.640 --> 02:12:26.319
<v Speaker 3>a law of Islam is God, nor do you believe

2388
02:12:26.600 --> 02:12:30.720
<v Speaker 3>in the last day as prescribed by Islam, then Muslims

2389
02:12:30.720 --> 02:12:33.279
<v Speaker 3>are to fight you. It says, fight those who believe

2390
02:12:33.319 --> 02:12:37.920
<v Speaker 3>not in a law nor the last day, nor prohibit

2391
02:12:38.119 --> 02:12:42.920
<v Speaker 3>forbid what all in his messenger have prohibited, nor follow

2392
02:12:42.960 --> 02:12:45.119
<v Speaker 3>the religion of truth, even if they're from the people

2393
02:12:45.159 --> 02:12:47.680
<v Speaker 3>of the book, until they pay the Jesi and feel

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02:12:47.720 --> 02:12:53.960
<v Speaker 3>themselves subdued. That word subdued means humiliated, disgrace, degraded, debased.

2395
02:12:54.399 --> 02:12:57.640
<v Speaker 3>Now notice the reasons why Muslims are to fight people.

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02:12:58.399 --> 02:13:01.439
<v Speaker 3>If I tell you, do you forget what Muhammad forbids like,

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02:13:01.520 --> 02:13:07.279
<v Speaker 3>for example, do you refrain from eating swine? No, that's

2398
02:13:07.319 --> 02:13:10.680
<v Speaker 3>grounds to fight you. Wow, this is the yeah that says,

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<v Speaker 3>nor forbid what a Lah or his messenger not, or

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry Allah and his messenger have forbidden. Now, notice

2401
02:13:18.079 --> 02:13:21.239
<v Speaker 3>there's a partnership. It's not what Allah has, it's what

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02:13:21.399 --> 02:13:25.520
<v Speaker 3>Allah and his messenger have forbidden. Also another reason to

2403
02:13:25.560 --> 02:13:28.159
<v Speaker 3>fight you. If I say, hey, Islam teaches at the

2404
02:13:28.239 --> 02:13:30.039
<v Speaker 3>Last Day. I don't want to believe the one, but

2405
02:13:30.079 --> 02:13:31.960
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to show you how evil this religion is,

2406
02:13:32.319 --> 02:13:35.880
<v Speaker 3>how immoral and grotesque is Islam says, at the Last Day,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're a good Muslim, you good Muslim, you'll enter

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<v Speaker 3>Jenda paradise and you'll be given a pavilion of hoodie's

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<v Speaker 3>alain or are they maidens of pleasure? Wide eyed? And

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<v Speaker 3>the Koran says they have firm breasts Chapter seventy vers

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<v Speaker 3>three through the Koran says that their breasts are firm.

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<v Speaker 26>In other words, no saggy plus and this is verree.

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<v Speaker 3>Chapter seventy eight, verse thirty three. You can read thirty

2414
02:14:07.079 --> 02:14:10.560
<v Speaker 3>one to thirty three, and you will be spending all

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02:14:10.760 --> 02:14:14.640
<v Speaker 3>eternity deflowering them all eternity.

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<v Speaker 18>Yeah, yeah, this is it is where did get the

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<v Speaker 18>cause of a virgins?

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<v Speaker 26>They haven't so before they so regular mainstream is slum

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02:14:23.560 --> 02:14:24.520
<v Speaker 26>beliefs in it as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's in the Qur'an. They may so valorize it,

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02:14:28.319 --> 02:14:31.920
<v Speaker 3>spiritualize it. But the plane reading is these are maidens

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02:14:31.960 --> 02:14:34.039
<v Speaker 3>of pleasure. And by the way, what's interesting the word

2423
02:14:34.119 --> 02:14:37.079
<v Speaker 3>who is where you get your modern English word from?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what.

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02:14:38.800 --> 02:14:42.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, horry, you get it right. But anyway, Yeah,

2426
02:14:43.039 --> 02:14:45.239
<v Speaker 3>but now here's the thing. Now, if I say to you, hey,

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02:14:45.920 --> 02:14:47.600
<v Speaker 3>do you believe in that last day? Do you believe

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02:14:47.640 --> 02:14:53.800
<v Speaker 3>that you'll enter paradise with eternal erections deflowering virgins forever

2429
02:14:53.920 --> 02:14:56.680
<v Speaker 3>and ever and they'll go back being virginal again. If

2430
02:14:56.720 --> 02:14:59.600
<v Speaker 3>you say no, that sounds like Playboy mansion on steroids

2431
02:14:59.720 --> 02:15:03.279
<v Speaker 3>or with hormone, then that's wounds to fight you. But

2432
02:15:03.399 --> 02:15:06.159
<v Speaker 3>if you're a Jew or a Christian, you're giving this

2433
02:15:06.239 --> 02:15:11.359
<v Speaker 3>option become Muslim or you pay jiz summation as a

2434
02:15:11.439 --> 02:15:14.880
<v Speaker 3>sign that we've subjugated you, humiliated you, and brought you

2435
02:15:15.039 --> 02:15:17.560
<v Speaker 3>under the hedge of many of Islam. Or we fight

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02:15:17.720 --> 02:15:19.119
<v Speaker 3>and to the victor goes as spoils.

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<v Speaker 26>Okay, So with the jizia tags in history, like, is

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02:15:26.239 --> 02:15:30.640
<v Speaker 26>there like any like uh? Leaders of Islamic Califfe's day.

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02:15:30.640 --> 02:15:33.359
<v Speaker 3>All throughout that's unconducted Muslim.

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02:15:35.479 --> 02:15:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Part of it.

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02:15:37.039 --> 02:15:40.079
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, all of them. They told me he was

2442
02:15:40.159 --> 02:15:42.920
<v Speaker 3>the most just. He was known for his chivalry, chivalry,

2443
02:15:43.000 --> 02:15:46.239
<v Speaker 3>lea chivalry or whatever the hell they called it. There

2444
02:15:46.239 --> 02:15:48.880
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of stuff. Brother, Have you ever ran into

2445
02:15:49.039 --> 02:15:51.640
<v Speaker 3>Well you haven't. You have some mob bosses. There are

2446
02:15:51.680 --> 02:15:55.279
<v Speaker 3>some decent human beings. They're loved by the community. They

2447
02:15:55.520 --> 02:15:58.520
<v Speaker 3>feed the the hungry and take care of the homeless.

2448
02:15:58.920 --> 02:16:02.079
<v Speaker 3>But there's still a moai. You have to pay them protection.

2449
02:16:02.239 --> 02:16:04.680
<v Speaker 3>If not, then they'll end up slaughtery right, So you're

2450
02:16:04.760 --> 02:16:08.840
<v Speaker 3>paying them to you from them, right, Yeah, Well that's

2451
02:16:08.840 --> 02:16:10.760
<v Speaker 3>how it is. It's a mafiosa. It's like a gang.

2452
02:16:10.840 --> 02:16:13.439
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, this my boss was really sweet, all right,

2453
02:16:13.520 --> 02:16:14.880
<v Speaker 3>but he's still a my boss and if you don't,

2454
02:16:15.720 --> 02:16:16.159
<v Speaker 3>he'll kill you.

2455
02:16:18.319 --> 02:16:24.000
<v Speaker 6>Tell you what's up? Did you have a Muslim related issue? Question? Debate.

2456
02:16:27.159 --> 02:16:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I have a question or.

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02:16:30.760 --> 02:16:35.559
<v Speaker 3>Cheology of what's the difference between is I'm a.

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02:16:35.559 --> 02:16:40.399
<v Speaker 28>Gunning the Christian goal because our friend, he usually perverted

2459
02:16:40.520 --> 02:16:45.639
<v Speaker 28>to big Wall and me have a conversation.

2460
02:16:46.639 --> 02:16:49.799
<v Speaker 3>Or talk about the debates Christians and debases.

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<v Speaker 19>I yeah, all they argue, well, we both believe in.

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02:16:54.239 --> 02:16:57.559
<v Speaker 6>The same I was like, right, well that's not obviously

2463
02:16:57.639 --> 02:17:01.079
<v Speaker 6>not Drew. So the key is here, as Muslims do

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02:17:01.200 --> 02:17:04.159
<v Speaker 6>not believe in the Trinity. Muslims don't believe that Allah

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02:17:04.239 --> 02:17:07.760
<v Speaker 6>has any sons. Jesus is the son of God. Jesus

2466
02:17:07.840 --> 02:17:11.000
<v Speaker 6>came to make us sons of God. So clearly two

2467
02:17:11.040 --> 02:17:14.040
<v Speaker 6>different gods. Jesus said, God is his father, so that's

2468
02:17:14.239 --> 02:17:16.719
<v Speaker 6>not the God of Islam, who has no sons. So

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02:17:16.840 --> 02:17:19.559
<v Speaker 6>that's the key difference. No trinity and no deed of Christ,

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02:17:19.799 --> 02:17:22.959
<v Speaker 6>no saving work of Christ, no death or resurrection of Christ.

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02:17:23.000 --> 02:17:27.959
<v Speaker 6>It saves you. That's the key difference. Yep, excellent, Parker,

2472
02:17:28.879 --> 02:17:31.040
<v Speaker 6>what's up. We're looking for Muslims who want to It's

2473
02:17:31.079 --> 02:17:33.559
<v Speaker 6>not I'm not mad at that guy for asking question,

2474
02:17:33.639 --> 02:17:37.479
<v Speaker 6>but it's we're looking for Islamic arguments. Parker, what's up?

2475
02:17:38.360 --> 02:17:42.040
<v Speaker 3>But hey, guys, how you doing wonderful.

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<v Speaker 31>Hey, real quick, I wanted to first follow me kind

2477
02:17:46.440 --> 02:17:50.959
<v Speaker 31>of you know, induce myself real quick, huge fan. Been

2478
02:17:51.000 --> 02:17:53.559
<v Speaker 31>following you for a while, but I love that you're,

2479
02:17:54.120 --> 02:17:57.479
<v Speaker 31>you know, out there preaching the truth against uh, this,

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02:17:57.719 --> 02:17:58.360
<v Speaker 31>this religion.

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02:17:58.840 --> 02:17:59.360
<v Speaker 17>I have a question.

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02:17:59.440 --> 02:18:02.159
<v Speaker 31>I've been engaged with Muslims for quite a while here

2483
02:18:02.319 --> 02:18:06.719
<v Speaker 31>now on on spaces, and obviously I'm not as well

2484
02:18:06.799 --> 02:18:08.920
<v Speaker 31>versed in the Quran as as you have been.

2485
02:18:10.920 --> 02:18:13.239
<v Speaker 3>How do you I'm sorry I didn't hear you all

2486
02:18:13.280 --> 02:18:14.239
<v Speaker 3>all the what say it again?

2487
02:18:14.680 --> 02:18:16.280
<v Speaker 31>I said, I'm not as well versed in the Koran

2488
02:18:16.360 --> 02:18:19.319
<v Speaker 31>as as you are, obviously, but I had a question,

2489
02:18:19.360 --> 02:18:22.200
<v Speaker 31>because we get we get this a lot. Is it

2490
02:18:22.399 --> 02:18:25.639
<v Speaker 31>wrong for me to say when a Muslim says, you know, hey,

2491
02:18:25.680 --> 02:18:28.120
<v Speaker 31>we believe in you know, we believe.

2492
02:18:27.920 --> 02:18:30.079
<v Speaker 3>In that Jesus is coming back to judge us.

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02:18:30.239 --> 02:18:33.680
<v Speaker 31>Right to my understanding, if a Muslim is trying to

2494
02:18:33.799 --> 02:18:36.440
<v Speaker 31>make friends with someone who is actively committing shook, right,

2495
02:18:36.959 --> 02:18:37.399
<v Speaker 31>like that's the.

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02:18:37.479 --> 02:18:40.159
<v Speaker 3>Number one, that's like the most unforgivable sin in Islam.

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02:18:40.520 --> 02:18:43.879
<v Speaker 31>Yes, So if they're doing that, does that not make them,

2498
02:18:43.959 --> 02:18:45.600
<v Speaker 31>according to Islam, a bad Muslim?

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02:18:45.680 --> 02:18:48.000
<v Speaker 3>That's part number one, Part number Two.

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02:18:49.200 --> 02:18:49.799
<v Speaker 19>How far af.

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02:18:49.719 --> 02:18:53.639
<v Speaker 3>Fetched is it to call Islam a pagan religion?

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02:18:53.840 --> 02:18:56.559
<v Speaker 31>Because I in my beliefs, you know, as a Christian,

2503
02:18:56.920 --> 02:18:58.719
<v Speaker 31>I look at what they practice, I look at what

2504
02:18:58.799 --> 02:18:59.040
<v Speaker 31>they do.

2505
02:19:00.360 --> 02:19:03.120
<v Speaker 3>There's this some rituals they do, you.

2506
02:19:03.159 --> 02:19:04.959
<v Speaker 31>Know, they remind me of kind of what the profits

2507
02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:07.200
<v Speaker 31>of bail were doing in the Old Testament when Ezekiel was,

2508
02:19:07.360 --> 02:19:09.639
<v Speaker 31>you know, calling down fire, they were slicing their heads.

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02:19:13.079 --> 02:19:13.440
<v Speaker 6>That's right.

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02:19:13.479 --> 02:19:15.600
<v Speaker 31>I'm sorry, Eligi, I'm sorry, I got I got my

2511
02:19:15.639 --> 02:19:18.879
<v Speaker 31>problems to me saying yes, you know, the the uh,

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02:19:19.760 --> 02:19:24.799
<v Speaker 31>the paganistic you know, uh rituals that I see in Islam.

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02:19:24.879 --> 02:19:27.479
<v Speaker 31>I cannot help, you know, worshiping the rock, the rocket

2514
02:19:27.520 --> 02:19:30.840
<v Speaker 31>that's supposedly gonna forgive them with their sins. Why are

2515
02:19:30.920 --> 02:19:34.159
<v Speaker 31>we not as Christians able to call out Islam as

2516
02:19:34.200 --> 02:19:35.079
<v Speaker 31>a pagan religion?

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02:19:35.239 --> 02:19:36.440
<v Speaker 3>And why are we scared to do it?

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<v Speaker 18>And I don't know, I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I know.

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<v Speaker 31>And that's why I love watching your videos, brother, I

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02:19:42.600 --> 02:19:43.639
<v Speaker 31>really do appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, I'm mute out, but I'll let you take the

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02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:48.639
<v Speaker 3>poor I'm sorry if you want to add anything before

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02:19:48.639 --> 02:19:49.600
<v Speaker 3>I do, or whatever you want to do.

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02:19:50.200 --> 02:19:53.719
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I mean this is I don't have any problem.

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02:19:53.840 --> 02:19:56.799
<v Speaker 6>You know, you're the expert subject matter expert here. What

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02:19:56.879 --> 02:19:58.959
<v Speaker 6>are they? What are some of the reasons why you

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<v Speaker 6>would call Islam pagan?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, well, number one, my fundamental problem with Islam

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02:20:06.520 --> 02:20:09.319
<v Speaker 3>is the fact that what you said earlier, the God

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02:20:09.360 --> 02:20:12.000
<v Speaker 3>of Islam is not the God of the scriptures, not

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02:20:12.159 --> 02:20:15.440
<v Speaker 3>the God of the Church, the Trian God. So that's

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02:20:15.719 --> 02:20:19.319
<v Speaker 3>the most obvious, glaring contradiction. It claims to be the

2534
02:20:19.399 --> 02:20:22.760
<v Speaker 3>same God that sent the prophets of the Bible, sent

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02:20:22.959 --> 02:20:25.559
<v Speaker 3>Jesus and as followers, and it's not so that right

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02:20:25.639 --> 02:20:28.000
<v Speaker 3>there is a deal breaker for me. All of the

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02:20:28.079 --> 02:20:30.200
<v Speaker 3>kron is not the God of the Hebrew Scriptures, not

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02:20:30.280 --> 02:20:33.680
<v Speaker 3>the God of New test Now. I'm actually more consistent

2539
02:20:33.719 --> 02:20:36.879
<v Speaker 3>than some Christians. I actually don't think that the God

2540
02:20:36.920 --> 02:20:41.040
<v Speaker 3>of Rabbinic Judaism is the God of the Bible. I'm

2541
02:20:41.079 --> 02:20:43.600
<v Speaker 3>actually more consistent than some Christians will say that Allah

2542
02:20:43.639 --> 02:20:47.520
<v Speaker 3>is a pagan deity. Whereas the Jews, Rabbinic Jews, I'm

2543
02:20:47.520 --> 02:20:49.040
<v Speaker 3>not talking about the Jews that are not religious who

2544
02:20:49.040 --> 02:20:51.200
<v Speaker 3>don't know any better. Like Tovia's singer, well.

2545
02:20:51.120 --> 02:20:52.000
<v Speaker 25>His God is my God.

2546
02:20:52.120 --> 02:20:56.520
<v Speaker 3>No Tovias singer worships the false God. Rabbinic Judaism is

2547
02:20:57.799 --> 02:21:01.639
<v Speaker 3>a perversion of Gnostisism them you name it combined. Now

2548
02:21:01.680 --> 02:21:06.479
<v Speaker 3>with that said, so that's the number one major fundamental difference.

2549
02:21:06.799 --> 02:21:10.559
<v Speaker 3>Their God is not my God. Secondly, it's not it'steeped

2550
02:21:10.600 --> 02:21:13.280
<v Speaker 3>in paganism. It comes out of paganism. If I go

2551
02:21:13.520 --> 02:21:17.680
<v Speaker 3>with the Muslim sources, and I accept that the Muslim

2552
02:21:17.719 --> 02:21:25.479
<v Speaker 3>sources give me some historical facts regarding the situation of Muhammad,

2553
02:21:25.479 --> 02:21:28.239
<v Speaker 3>because you have revisionists who say, well, the moment of

2554
02:21:28.360 --> 02:21:31.120
<v Speaker 3>later tradition is not the Muhammad of the seventh century

2555
02:21:31.200 --> 02:21:33.120
<v Speaker 3>and that's all forgeries. All right, Well, if you take

2556
02:21:33.200 --> 02:21:37.239
<v Speaker 3>that position, fine, But if I take Muslim sources seriously,

2557
02:21:37.959 --> 02:21:42.959
<v Speaker 3>the Muslim sources admit that the Kaba was the shrine

2558
02:21:43.159 --> 02:21:47.000
<v Speaker 3>for Hubang or Hubble. I don't want to belabor the point.

2559
02:21:47.280 --> 02:21:48.680
<v Speaker 3>I want to be sensitive to your time. So let

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02:21:48.719 --> 02:21:51.879
<v Speaker 3>me know when you want to wind in down Hubble

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02:21:52.079 --> 02:21:54.600
<v Speaker 3>or Hubog. This isn't the Muslim sources. You'll find in

2562
02:21:54.680 --> 02:22:00.879
<v Speaker 3>Ebneskaki and Sunni Muslims know this. They know I'm not lying. Hubble. Now,

2563
02:22:00.959 --> 02:22:04.959
<v Speaker 3>Hubal was called the Lord of Mecca. He was the

2564
02:22:05.000 --> 02:22:07.680
<v Speaker 3>lord of the Kaba, and the Muslim sources say that

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02:22:07.879 --> 02:22:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Muhammad's own family, his tribe, the christ tribe, right his

2566
02:22:12.479 --> 02:22:16.799
<v Speaker 3>own clan, worshiped Hubble and prayed to Hubble or Hubal.

2567
02:22:17.479 --> 02:22:19.719
<v Speaker 3>Hubble was the chief deity. Now we have a problem.

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02:22:20.239 --> 02:22:23.239
<v Speaker 3>If anyone knows about anything about paganism, and Jay would know.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually when you have a shrine, a shrine is built

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<v Speaker 3>to one of the gods.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>You can correct me on the j Are you aware

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02:22:31.600 --> 02:22:35.639
<v Speaker 3>of any shrine built by Pagans for two gods at

2574
02:22:35.680 --> 02:22:42.079
<v Speaker 3>the same time where that so, Usually a shrine will

2575
02:22:42.120 --> 02:22:44.319
<v Speaker 3>be built for Zeus or Diana, but not both. That

2576
02:22:44.399 --> 02:22:47.159
<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean they didn't honor the other gods. But this shrine,

2577
02:22:47.479 --> 02:22:50.959
<v Speaker 3>this temple is dedicated to Zeuz. Well, the Muslim sources

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02:22:51.000 --> 02:22:56.600
<v Speaker 3>say the Kaba was built for Hubble Hubal Hubal was

2579
02:22:56.680 --> 02:22:59.520
<v Speaker 3>a moon deity. This is all from Muslim sources. I'm

2580
02:22:59.559 --> 02:23:03.239
<v Speaker 3>not making I've documented it from Muslim sources as well

2581
02:23:03.280 --> 02:23:04.600
<v Speaker 3>as Islamic scholars.

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02:23:04.600 --> 02:23:04.879
<v Speaker 6>Today.

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<v Speaker 3>Hubble was the moon deity because the chief god Hubble

2584
02:23:11.079 --> 02:23:13.840
<v Speaker 3>would have a planet identified with him. This is how

2585
02:23:13.879 --> 02:23:17.399
<v Speaker 3>the Pagans work. Fertility gods and goddesses as well as

2586
02:23:17.479 --> 02:23:20.520
<v Speaker 3>astral worship, and the planets would be associated with one

2587
02:23:20.559 --> 02:23:23.319
<v Speaker 3>of the gods or goddesses. So the moon god was

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02:23:23.440 --> 02:23:26.760
<v Speaker 3>considered the male deity. Why sorry, I don't want to

2589
02:23:26.760 --> 02:23:28.159
<v Speaker 3>bore you guys with the details, but I'm going to

2590
02:23:28.239 --> 02:23:30.840
<v Speaker 3>show you where I'm going with this. The word for

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02:23:31.079 --> 02:23:35.159
<v Speaker 3>moon in arab is Almara almar is a masculine noun.

2592
02:23:35.760 --> 02:23:39.079
<v Speaker 3>Because they are patriarchal society, the chief god has to

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02:23:39.159 --> 02:23:42.280
<v Speaker 3>be a male deity. So the moon was identified with

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02:23:42.680 --> 02:23:47.559
<v Speaker 3>Hubal Hubble, that was his planet, his sign, so he

2595
02:23:47.760 --> 02:23:51.280
<v Speaker 3>was the moon god. Now why is that interesting? Because

2596
02:23:51.319 --> 02:23:55.479
<v Speaker 3>the Muslim sources say that the idol of Hubble was

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02:23:55.680 --> 02:24:02.479
<v Speaker 3>imported from the Moabites. It was actually imported by an

2598
02:24:02.520 --> 02:24:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Arab name Ahmer Ebin Luei or Luei. He actually went

2599
02:24:07.639 --> 02:24:12.399
<v Speaker 3>to the levant Syria area Jordan, and he picked up

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02:24:12.559 --> 02:24:16.040
<v Speaker 3>the idol worshiped by the Moabites, and he brought it

2601
02:24:16.200 --> 02:24:20.479
<v Speaker 3>to Arabia cordium of Muslim sources, and he made Hubble

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02:24:20.559 --> 02:24:23.120
<v Speaker 3>the chief god. Now, if anyone knows their history, the

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02:24:23.280 --> 02:24:27.799
<v Speaker 3>chief god of the Mobites was Bail Baal. This is

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02:24:27.840 --> 02:24:31.319
<v Speaker 3>why many scholars believe the word who Bal is an

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02:24:31.440 --> 02:24:36.639
<v Speaker 3>Arab sized bastardization of the word ha baal he Brew.

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02:24:36.840 --> 02:24:40.479
<v Speaker 3>The bail or is actually Arabic vet he is bail.

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02:24:41.159 --> 02:24:45.959
<v Speaker 3>So Islam is centered in bail worship. Bah al worship.

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02:24:46.600 --> 02:24:50.879
<v Speaker 3>It stems from Badalism. It is a form of bail worship.

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<v Speaker 3>And if we read the Bible, one of the names

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<v Speaker 3>of Satan is Belyle. One of his names is Balzibub.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what our word tells us. So it's is centered

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02:25:00.680 --> 02:25:04.200
<v Speaker 3>in paganism, and it's centered and bow worship, and ball

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02:25:04.360 --> 02:25:06.120
<v Speaker 3>is identified with Lucifer or Satan.

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<v Speaker 31>I never knew that connection. That is it's wild because

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02:25:13.440 --> 02:25:15.719
<v Speaker 31>you know, like I said, just kind of what I've seen.

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02:25:15.760 --> 02:25:17.920
<v Speaker 31>I made the connection with bail, but I never knew

2617
02:25:18.440 --> 02:25:21.879
<v Speaker 31>that there was that physical connection from these cultures.

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<v Speaker 6>That is shocking.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, let me add sort of how

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<v Speaker 3>do we know it's pagan The Muslims will tell you

2621
02:25:28.000 --> 02:25:31.399
<v Speaker 3>that the Pagans would run around the kaba, circumambulate the

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02:25:31.479 --> 02:25:36.000
<v Speaker 3>kaba to off counterc clockwise seven times. They admit this.

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02:25:36.600 --> 02:25:39.239
<v Speaker 3>They also admit that the Pagans would run between the

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02:25:39.280 --> 02:25:42.159
<v Speaker 3>two hills sef On Morua seven times, and they would

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02:25:42.200 --> 02:25:45.280
<v Speaker 3>throw seven stones. That this is Muslim sources. Now here's

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02:25:45.319 --> 02:25:49.639
<v Speaker 3>what's interesting. As I've documented from Muslim sources, I didn't

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02:25:49.680 --> 02:25:54.040
<v Speaker 3>make this up. At that time, the Arabs thought there

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02:25:54.040 --> 02:25:56.920
<v Speaker 3>were seven planets, Sun and Moon and five others, and

2629
02:25:57.040 --> 02:26:01.280
<v Speaker 3>each planet represented a deity. So they ran around the

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02:26:01.399 --> 02:26:04.559
<v Speaker 3>shrine seven times in honor for each god and goddess.

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02:26:04.600 --> 02:26:08.959
<v Speaker 3>That's why they did it seven times. So that's also paganism,

2632
02:26:09.000 --> 02:26:12.440
<v Speaker 3>because the Muslims now have adopted that pagan practice. They

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02:26:12.559 --> 02:26:15.079
<v Speaker 3>run around the Kappa seven times, they run between the

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02:26:15.120 --> 02:26:17.920
<v Speaker 3>two hills, suffer the mantowas seven times, they throw seven

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02:26:17.959 --> 02:26:20.520
<v Speaker 3>stones at But you asked them why, they said, well,

2636
02:26:20.680 --> 02:26:25.120
<v Speaker 3>Ishmael and Abraham were the ones who instituted these rights

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02:26:25.159 --> 02:26:31.639
<v Speaker 3>of pilgrimage. There is absolutely no shred of pre Islamic textual, historical,

2638
02:26:31.799 --> 02:26:37.799
<v Speaker 3>archaeological evidence none that Abraham Ishmael ever went to Arabia

2639
02:26:37.959 --> 02:26:41.000
<v Speaker 3>and built a shrine there. But the evidence is clear

2640
02:26:41.200 --> 02:26:45.479
<v Speaker 3>the Pagans did do these things for the seven planetary deities.

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02:26:45.600 --> 02:26:48.280
<v Speaker 3>You don't get more pagan than that, especially kissing the Blackstone.

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02:26:49.680 --> 02:26:51.760
<v Speaker 6>Now do we have any Muslims that want to call

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02:26:51.799 --> 02:26:54.120
<v Speaker 6>it so this is not Christian time, it was not

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<v Speaker 6>Protestant time. Zeke, thank you for that, Sam, Actually I

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02:26:58.239 --> 02:26:58.840
<v Speaker 6>didn't know a lot of that.

2646
02:27:00.159 --> 02:27:01.639
<v Speaker 3>I'll send you articles later on Skype.

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<v Speaker 6>What's up, Zeke? I'm mute, Zeke. You want to talk,

2648
02:27:14.479 --> 02:27:18.200
<v Speaker 6>I'm mute. Faithful you want to come up?

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<v Speaker 32>Yeah, yeah, I just I just chimed in on this

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<v Speaker 32>space real quick, and I'm no Muslim scholar, but damn

2651
02:27:28.479 --> 02:27:32.760
<v Speaker 32>you speak one one word of truth in ninety nine bullshit?

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02:27:35.120 --> 02:27:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Right, nobody?

2653
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<v Speaker 32>Look, look, look, look, I don't care what little.

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02:27:39.600 --> 02:27:42.479
<v Speaker 6>Psy of your Okay, where's it wrong? What's your argument?

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02:27:44.360 --> 02:27:48.200
<v Speaker 32>We worship the creator, point blank period, The one who

2656
02:27:48.360 --> 02:27:50.639
<v Speaker 32>made us is who Muslims worship?

2657
02:27:51.479 --> 02:27:52.079
<v Speaker 3>Really call it?

2658
02:27:52.360 --> 02:27:55.159
<v Speaker 2>You want to call it bs and try to go around.

2659
02:27:54.959 --> 02:27:59.200
<v Speaker 32>In circles and do this and say that Muslims worship

2660
02:27:59.319 --> 02:28:00.920
<v Speaker 32>whoever made us?

2661
02:28:01.440 --> 02:28:02.280
<v Speaker 2>How simple?

2662
02:28:02.639 --> 02:28:03.680
<v Speaker 3>Jesus simple?

2663
02:28:04.040 --> 02:28:04.879
<v Speaker 2>Is that argument?

2664
02:28:05.040 --> 02:28:06.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay? Well let me answer you. You want to engage me.

2665
02:28:07.000 --> 02:28:10.479
<v Speaker 3>Jesus made you, so you worship Jesus. We don't believe

2666
02:28:10.520 --> 02:28:12.920
<v Speaker 3>in Jesus is God? No, so then that means my

2667
02:28:13.040 --> 02:28:13.879
<v Speaker 3>God is not your God.

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02:28:14.760 --> 02:28:17.399
<v Speaker 32>Well, because you decided to believe that a human being

2669
02:28:17.559 --> 02:28:22.559
<v Speaker 32>is God, let me tell you if the Qur'an never

2670
02:28:22.760 --> 02:28:23.239
<v Speaker 32>showed up.

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02:28:23.600 --> 02:28:25.360
<v Speaker 3>If the Qur'an never showed up.

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02:28:25.920 --> 02:28:29.760
<v Speaker 33>And said that much more Jesus is not God, then

2673
02:28:29.879 --> 02:28:31.799
<v Speaker 33>maybe we could fall under that and say, hey, you know,

2674
02:28:31.920 --> 02:28:36.280
<v Speaker 33>based on the Bibles, we can't believe that Jesus is God.

2675
02:28:36.520 --> 02:28:37.680
<v Speaker 3>But even though the Bible never.

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02:28:37.639 --> 02:28:39.840
<v Speaker 6>Says that, actually, you know it says that in every

2677
02:28:39.959 --> 02:28:41.319
<v Speaker 6>chapter of John, are you where of that?

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02:28:42.239 --> 02:28:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I want to just you want to preach, You

2679
02:28:44.040 --> 02:28:45.559
<v Speaker 3>can preach, but I want to gage you. Now. You said,

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02:28:45.840 --> 02:28:48.479
<v Speaker 3>I believe human is God. But according to your prophet,

2681
02:28:49.120 --> 02:28:53.159
<v Speaker 3>your God is a beardless, truly haired youth who wears

2682
02:28:53.200 --> 02:28:53.840
<v Speaker 3>a red garment.

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02:28:54.680 --> 02:28:57.360
<v Speaker 2>We don't where where did you find that in the Koran? Oh?

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02:28:57.440 --> 02:28:59.079
<v Speaker 25>You want to just go with the Koran, so you

2685
02:28:59.159 --> 02:29:04.520
<v Speaker 25>don't follow tell me in the Koran the Quran. The

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02:29:04.639 --> 02:29:08.159
<v Speaker 25>Koran is the text, the Quran is the is the

2687
02:29:08.280 --> 02:29:09.319
<v Speaker 25>word of text.

2688
02:29:11.479 --> 02:29:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Or not?

2689
02:29:12.000 --> 02:29:13.479
<v Speaker 3>Why can't you answer the question?

2690
02:29:13.559 --> 02:29:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Do you follow krown a own or the give give

2691
02:29:15.799 --> 02:29:16.239
<v Speaker 2>me Kuran?

2692
02:29:16.280 --> 02:29:17.319
<v Speaker 25>I told you I'm not a scholar.

2693
02:29:17.559 --> 02:29:19.680
<v Speaker 6>I can't sid It doesn't matter whether your scholar or not.

2694
02:29:19.799 --> 02:29:20.360
<v Speaker 6>What do you follow?

2695
02:29:21.399 --> 02:29:23.239
<v Speaker 25>I want you to tell me in the Kuran?

2696
02:29:23.559 --> 02:29:26.559
<v Speaker 12>Where does God tell you that he has this red

2697
02:29:26.680 --> 02:29:29.040
<v Speaker 12>roban and curly hair and all this nonsense.

2698
02:29:29.239 --> 02:29:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Can I now bury you in your argument, because if

2699
02:29:31.600 --> 02:29:33.079
<v Speaker 3>you want to go with the Koran, how do you

2700
02:29:33.200 --> 02:29:35.799
<v Speaker 3>justify the kron? How do you know the Koran was

2701
02:29:35.879 --> 02:29:38.079
<v Speaker 3>given through Mohammed? Where does the Koran show you that

2702
02:29:38.200 --> 02:29:41.040
<v Speaker 3>the entire one hundred fourteen chapters were sent from a

2703
02:29:41.120 --> 02:29:43.680
<v Speaker 3>law and only one hundred fourteen chapters and they're recited

2704
02:29:43.719 --> 02:29:45.280
<v Speaker 3>by Muhammad? Prove that from the Koran?

2705
02:29:47.000 --> 02:29:48.280
<v Speaker 2>He tells us that in the Koran?

2706
02:29:48.319 --> 02:29:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Where does the kron tell you one hundred fourteen chapters

2707
02:29:51.200 --> 02:29:53.639
<v Speaker 3>make up the Koran and they were transmitted through Muhammed?

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02:29:55.760 --> 02:29:59.000
<v Speaker 25>The Quran tells us that that a law spoke and

2709
02:29:59.159 --> 02:30:01.000
<v Speaker 25>he did profitable.

2710
02:30:01.440 --> 02:30:03.840
<v Speaker 6>Where does tell you specifically.

2711
02:30:03.280 --> 02:30:08.360
<v Speaker 3>That Muhammad never spoke? Or at the times you Mohammad

2712
02:30:08.360 --> 02:30:09.079
<v Speaker 3>mentioned in the Koran?

2713
02:30:10.399 --> 02:30:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Not that many times? Actually?

2714
02:30:11.760 --> 02:30:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so four times apart from those four references, how

2715
02:30:15.479 --> 02:30:18.879
<v Speaker 3>do you know and all the other times where the

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02:30:18.920 --> 02:30:20.319
<v Speaker 3>name of Muhammad does not appear?

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02:30:22.040 --> 02:30:25.120
<v Speaker 32>You do you do realize that just this Mohammad, You

2718
02:30:25.200 --> 02:30:28.159
<v Speaker 32>do realize that Prophet Muhammad was the one narrating this Koran?

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02:30:28.280 --> 02:30:28.399
<v Speaker 2>Right?

2720
02:30:28.440 --> 02:30:31.479
<v Speaker 6>So how do you know what is the justification for that?

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02:30:31.559 --> 02:30:32.079
<v Speaker 6>How do you know that?

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02:30:33.079 --> 02:30:35.719
<v Speaker 3>Have you, guys even read the Koran? Can you answer

2723
02:30:35.799 --> 02:30:36.159
<v Speaker 3>the question?

2724
02:30:36.520 --> 02:30:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever read the Koran? Or you just talking?

2725
02:30:38.319 --> 02:30:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes? Whenever I go to the toilet, I use the

2726
02:30:40.600 --> 02:30:45.200
<v Speaker 3>Koran and if I run law question, I'll talk.

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02:30:45.239 --> 02:30:46.079
<v Speaker 2>For shame on you.

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02:30:46.920 --> 02:30:48.200
<v Speaker 6>You can you answer the question?

2729
02:30:49.000 --> 02:30:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Listen to this, Listen to this.

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02:30:50.319 --> 02:30:51.360
<v Speaker 3>This is very simple.

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02:30:51.840 --> 02:30:54.239
<v Speaker 6>So you can't answer. So you can't answer it. You

2732
02:30:54.319 --> 02:30:54.799
<v Speaker 6>can't ask it.

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02:30:54.920 --> 02:30:55.680
<v Speaker 25>I can't answer.

2734
02:30:56.040 --> 02:30:56.719
<v Speaker 6>You can't know that.

2735
02:30:56.840 --> 02:30:58.840
<v Speaker 2>You guys have your mindset on something that you.

2736
02:30:58.840 --> 02:31:02.239
<v Speaker 6>Can't answer, right, So there's no answer exactly. He just

2737
02:31:02.319 --> 02:31:04.440
<v Speaker 6>wants to talk. Go ahead. The next one, we got

2738
02:31:04.440 --> 02:31:16.879
<v Speaker 6>another Musland. What's up? Go ahead? Have you even read

2739
02:31:17.559 --> 02:31:19.680
<v Speaker 6>have you even read Bubin? Have you even read babe?

2740
02:31:20.200 --> 02:31:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Exactly? I don't worry when I whenever I'm bored, I

2741
02:31:23.040 --> 02:31:25.440
<v Speaker 3>go to the toilet and I read the go ahead

2742
02:31:26.399 --> 02:31:29.600
<v Speaker 3>translation of my user as toilet paper. Sorry, Muslims, assume me.

2743
02:31:29.719 --> 02:31:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I know you're upset.

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02:31:32.920 --> 02:31:36.079
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you're up? Go ahead? Oh wife?

2745
02:31:37.920 --> 02:31:38.920
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, guys, how are Yeah?

2746
02:31:40.040 --> 02:31:40.399
<v Speaker 6>What's up?

2747
02:31:41.719 --> 02:31:41.879
<v Speaker 15>Yes?

2748
02:31:42.200 --> 02:31:42.399
<v Speaker 6>Mom?

2749
02:31:42.879 --> 02:31:45.879
<v Speaker 34>I haven't seen anyone that hell more than you, no

2750
02:31:46.200 --> 02:31:47.280
<v Speaker 34>more than Mohammed the.

2751
02:31:47.319 --> 02:31:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Stoley King pagans to me. You know, I don't listen

2752
02:31:54.879 --> 02:31:56.440
<v Speaker 3>to you because you call me ja doesn't know what

2753
02:31:56.479 --> 02:31:59.319
<v Speaker 3>you call me? Job means I'm making right jehead like

2754
02:31:59.479 --> 02:32:02.360
<v Speaker 3>you're probably it wasn't he ignorant? He was a numi right? Yeah,

2755
02:32:02.399 --> 02:32:06.200
<v Speaker 3>you mean doesn't mean hell No, that means he's he's uneducated.

2756
02:32:06.639 --> 02:32:09.799
<v Speaker 3>So today we call people are educated jah hell meaning idrant.

2757
02:32:10.479 --> 02:32:13.000
<v Speaker 3>So the company I'm like today today? Can you get

2758
02:32:13.040 --> 02:32:14.559
<v Speaker 3>today's today?

2759
02:32:14.680 --> 02:32:14.879
<v Speaker 2>The key?

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02:32:15.520 --> 02:32:17.920
<v Speaker 3>This man? Why didn't you pray for India? Okay? What's

2761
02:32:17.959 --> 02:32:20.680
<v Speaker 3>your objection? I'm not from India, bro Okay, where are

2762
02:32:20.719 --> 02:32:23.000
<v Speaker 3>you from? I love your Actually pray for India? Okay,

2763
02:32:23.040 --> 02:32:26.920
<v Speaker 3>God Pakistan even better? But was in Pakistan part of

2764
02:32:26.959 --> 02:32:28.760
<v Speaker 3>India and you Muslim stole it like you saw most

2765
02:32:28.760 --> 02:32:31.959
<v Speaker 3>of the lands of the Yeah, you you want to talk.

2766
02:32:32.719 --> 02:32:33.520
<v Speaker 6>You have an argument?

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02:32:35.319 --> 02:32:37.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? If it isn't the argument like I will present it.

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02:32:39.040 --> 02:32:43.120
<v Speaker 32>Yeah, he's homin on from the Okay, what's your argument?

2769
02:32:44.319 --> 02:32:47.760
<v Speaker 3>He's a that hormone against humanity. Get to the point. Okay,

2770
02:32:48.200 --> 02:32:51.840
<v Speaker 3>if you just stop the argument, not protect me. You've

2771
02:32:51.879 --> 02:32:55.719
<v Speaker 3>been making it herman against me hill? Okay, what's your

2772
02:32:55.959 --> 02:32:58.559
<v Speaker 3>if I would make a good hominem. Then I would

2773
02:32:58.799 --> 02:32:59.120
<v Speaker 3>quote you.

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02:32:59.760 --> 02:33:02.559
<v Speaker 6>I know you could. We know what's your argument?

2775
02:33:02.680 --> 02:33:04.719
<v Speaker 2>When she took seven is just big?

2776
02:33:05.159 --> 02:33:08.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, they're really good argument.

2777
02:33:08.920 --> 02:33:11.399
<v Speaker 3>You might like this, what, Muhamma, do you write the

2778
02:33:11.479 --> 02:33:16.959
<v Speaker 3>pony seven inch poonty? They took the stones from man?

2779
02:33:17.000 --> 02:33:19.120
<v Speaker 3>I like this? You like to write the rony pony?

2780
02:33:19.159 --> 02:33:19.319
<v Speaker 5>Man?

2781
02:33:19.399 --> 02:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Why you're like this?

2782
02:33:20.200 --> 02:33:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Jay? Why are you doing it to me?

2783
02:33:21.399 --> 02:33:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Man?

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02:33:24.000 --> 02:33:27.680
<v Speaker 6>They took the stones from anyone? Does anyone saying Temple

2785
02:33:27.680 --> 02:33:28.000
<v Speaker 6>of Doom?

2786
02:33:28.959 --> 02:33:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're hurting my feelings. I'm about to lose leep tonight.

2787
02:33:32.000 --> 02:33:38.959
<v Speaker 6>Know what's up? They took shivalinga.

2788
02:33:40.159 --> 02:33:40.360
<v Speaker 15>Like this?

2789
02:33:40.600 --> 02:33:40.760
<v Speaker 5>Man?

2790
02:33:40.799 --> 02:33:42.079
<v Speaker 3>You're sure now she blandly?

2791
02:33:42.159 --> 02:33:42.879
<v Speaker 2>You're very weary.

2792
02:33:43.000 --> 02:33:44.319
<v Speaker 3>Don't do my landry.

2793
02:33:46.559 --> 02:33:47.680
<v Speaker 6>T G what's up? Man?

2794
02:33:52.559 --> 02:33:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Hello?

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02:33:53.159 --> 02:34:00.120
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, yes, sir, Hello, I'm gonna collect to be in

2796
02:34:00.239 --> 02:34:05.440
<v Speaker 14>your life today. It's some months, like a few months.

2797
02:34:05.559 --> 02:34:12.840
<v Speaker 14>I'm listening to Shams Sam Sam salmons. Okay, yeah, sorry,

2798
02:34:14.680 --> 02:34:19.280
<v Speaker 14>I'm Muslim and the price God. Now it's six years

2799
02:34:19.360 --> 02:34:24.959
<v Speaker 14>and I given baptized by the Church. And because I

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02:34:25.040 --> 02:34:30.079
<v Speaker 14>have very hard experiences in Islam, because my father was

2801
02:34:30.159 --> 02:34:33.920
<v Speaker 14>Sunni and my mother was Shere, I have pretty much

2802
02:34:34.000 --> 02:34:39.559
<v Speaker 14>experiences in being lost in Islam and gone to the

2803
02:34:39.680 --> 02:34:45.280
<v Speaker 14>autist and seek for truth and after that finding finding Jesus.

2804
02:34:46.040 --> 02:34:49.559
<v Speaker 14>It's very sweet for me to share with you some

2805
02:34:49.760 --> 02:34:57.760
<v Speaker 14>other contradictions which you didn't mention. Sam as your as

2806
02:34:57.840 --> 02:35:05.280
<v Speaker 14>your as my teachers like to remind notified something fight too,

2807
02:35:06.719 --> 02:35:11.239
<v Speaker 14>can I what was it? Sorry for my bad English,

2808
02:35:12.879 --> 02:35:17.280
<v Speaker 14>but I would like to notify some other contradiction.

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02:35:16.799 --> 02:35:20.120
<v Speaker 3>Which let me say that your English is better than

2810
02:35:20.159 --> 02:35:20.840
<v Speaker 3>all Arabic.

2811
02:35:21.079 --> 02:35:26.600
<v Speaker 14>So thank you very much for the first you you

2812
02:35:26.760 --> 02:35:32.440
<v Speaker 14>told the guys before me, which Allah is not our God. Yes,

2813
02:35:33.040 --> 02:35:35.840
<v Speaker 14>as you told yes about our God. And I made

2814
02:35:35.879 --> 02:35:40.840
<v Speaker 14>a post about that which in the Old Testament and

2815
02:35:40.959 --> 02:35:46.879
<v Speaker 14>New Testament, God rebins himself and names himself to Moses, Moses,

2816
02:35:47.639 --> 02:35:52.319
<v Speaker 14>Abraham and other people who ask who are asking their

2817
02:35:52.399 --> 02:35:57.040
<v Speaker 14>name as Yahua. And as we know, God is not

2818
02:35:57.159 --> 02:36:01.959
<v Speaker 14>affected by time. And from here he was able to

2819
02:36:02.079 --> 02:36:05.079
<v Speaker 14>tell them, my name is Yahoa, but you shall.

2820
02:36:05.440 --> 02:36:06.639
<v Speaker 3>Call my name as Alah.

2821
02:36:07.280 --> 02:36:15.280
<v Speaker 14>So yeah, if our God was all Llah, so he

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02:36:15.360 --> 02:36:19.159
<v Speaker 14>would tell this to other people in before in past

2823
02:36:19.280 --> 02:36:23.479
<v Speaker 14>in Old Testament, my name is Yahoa, but you shall

2824
02:36:23.680 --> 02:36:26.959
<v Speaker 14>call my name as Allah or something else. But he

2825
02:36:27.079 --> 02:36:31.600
<v Speaker 14>specifically told them my name is yohoa, and you shall

2826
02:36:31.799 --> 02:36:35.440
<v Speaker 14>call my name forever and ever by this name. So

2827
02:36:35.920 --> 02:36:38.760
<v Speaker 14>this is a sign which you can.

2828
02:36:38.799 --> 02:36:40.799
<v Speaker 3>I give you some pushbacks so you use better arguments

2829
02:36:40.799 --> 02:36:42.040
<v Speaker 3>because I know how they're going to respond.

2830
02:36:43.719 --> 02:36:44.639
<v Speaker 2>I am not arguing you.

2831
02:36:47.079 --> 02:36:48.559
<v Speaker 3>I know I'm trying to help you. Your argument is

2832
02:36:48.639 --> 02:36:52.079
<v Speaker 3>not to help you, try to help you. You're young.

2833
02:36:52.280 --> 02:36:54.520
<v Speaker 3>I know you think these are good arguments. But because

2834
02:36:54.639 --> 02:36:57.120
<v Speaker 3>I've dealt the Muslims, I know how they're going to respond.

2835
02:36:57.239 --> 02:37:00.600
<v Speaker 3>So the word yahoa, that's in the Hebrew Old Testament.

2836
02:37:00.680 --> 02:37:04.520
<v Speaker 6>Right, go ahead. I muted him.

2837
02:37:04.520 --> 02:37:07.799
<v Speaker 3>I muted his go ahead, yeah, yeah, So that's in

2838
02:37:07.840 --> 02:37:09.600
<v Speaker 3>the Hebrew Testament because I'm trying to let you know

2839
02:37:09.680 --> 02:37:11.520
<v Speaker 3>how they're going to respond, so you can be like

2840
02:37:11.600 --> 02:37:14.360
<v Speaker 3>a chess player several moves in advance ahead of them.

2841
02:37:14.760 --> 02:37:16.920
<v Speaker 3>So the word yeahoa is in the Hebrewal Testament.

2842
02:37:17.000 --> 02:37:22.079
<v Speaker 6>Right, I muted at him. Go ahead, you there, Sam,

2843
02:37:22.159 --> 02:37:23.840
<v Speaker 6>you can go ahead. I muted that guy because he

2844
02:37:23.959 --> 02:37:24.440
<v Speaker 6>was kept talking.

2845
02:37:24.520 --> 02:37:27.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, I didn't know. I thought you said you.

2846
02:37:27.479 --> 02:37:29.200
<v Speaker 6>Unmuted him, So no, no, I'm muted at him so

2847
02:37:29.239 --> 02:37:30.760
<v Speaker 6>you could talk because he kept talking.

2848
02:37:31.559 --> 02:37:35.120
<v Speaker 3>Okay, here's the point for everyone. Yes, we know that

2849
02:37:35.239 --> 02:37:37.719
<v Speaker 3>in the Old Testament, the name that God gave is

2850
02:37:38.239 --> 02:37:41.479
<v Speaker 3>what they call the tetragrammaton. Some pronounce it yeahweah yeahaa.

2851
02:37:42.440 --> 02:37:45.440
<v Speaker 3>The only problem is the sharp Muslim will tell you, well,

2852
02:37:45.559 --> 02:37:48.040
<v Speaker 3>in the New Testament, Greek New Testament, because this is

2853
02:37:48.120 --> 02:37:51.079
<v Speaker 3>run brought up against me and other Christians, will say,

2854
02:37:51.559 --> 02:37:54.719
<v Speaker 3>when the Greek New Testament cites passages that have the

2855
02:37:54.760 --> 02:37:59.319
<v Speaker 3>divine name, they'll use the word katie us Greek for Lord.

2856
02:38:00.239 --> 02:38:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

2857
02:38:01.120 --> 02:38:04.239
<v Speaker 3>Now, in the Orthodox Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the

2858
02:38:04.319 --> 02:38:06.440
<v Speaker 3>official Old Testament, and Jay knows this better than me,

2859
02:38:06.600 --> 02:38:09.959
<v Speaker 3>is the septigen translation of the seventy the Greek translation

2860
02:38:10.000 --> 02:38:12.239
<v Speaker 3>of the Old Testament. Well, in the Greek translation of

2861
02:38:12.239 --> 02:38:15.440
<v Speaker 3>the Old Testament, you don't find a form of the

2862
02:38:15.520 --> 02:38:19.959
<v Speaker 3>divine name. In the Greek. It's gid use the word

2863
02:38:20.120 --> 02:38:23.479
<v Speaker 3>well like they're asked me in way Kutias kutiss All right,

2864
02:38:23.879 --> 02:38:28.040
<v Speaker 3>Gidi use Lord, meaning that a sharp Muslim if he's sharp,

2865
02:38:28.120 --> 02:38:31.920
<v Speaker 3>which you're rarely find sharp Muslims. Shabali is sharp. I

2866
02:38:31.920 --> 02:38:33.959
<v Speaker 3>got to give them credit because he studies liberal critical

2867
02:38:34.000 --> 02:38:37.200
<v Speaker 3>scholarship so well. In the New Testament, they use the

2868
02:38:37.280 --> 02:38:41.040
<v Speaker 3>word Lord in place of yahweh Gidi use in place

2869
02:38:41.120 --> 02:38:43.639
<v Speaker 3>of yahweh. Well, in Arabic kron it uses it up

2870
02:38:44.200 --> 02:38:46.159
<v Speaker 3>the Arabic word for lord in place of yahwei. So

2871
02:38:46.280 --> 02:38:48.200
<v Speaker 3>this is how they're going to catch you. So I

2872
02:38:48.280 --> 02:38:49.680
<v Speaker 3>know people think this is a good argument. I'm not

2873
02:38:49.719 --> 02:38:52.760
<v Speaker 3>saying it's bad. But you're gonna have to finesse it, fine,

2874
02:38:52.840 --> 02:38:55.559
<v Speaker 3>tune it to be prepared for that objection. You don't

2875
02:38:55.600 --> 02:38:57.280
<v Speaker 3>want to embarrass yourselves. You want to give the best

2876
02:38:57.399 --> 02:39:00.200
<v Speaker 3>arguments possible. So I muslimill tell you if you are

2877
02:39:00.239 --> 02:39:03.280
<v Speaker 3>okay with the Greek New Testament using the Greek word

2878
02:39:03.360 --> 02:39:06.920
<v Speaker 3>lord as a synonym substitute for yahweh, can you use

2879
02:39:07.000 --> 02:39:09.799
<v Speaker 3>meaning lord? Then that's what Allah does in the Crown.

2880
02:39:10.000 --> 02:39:13.600
<v Speaker 3>He uses it all Lord for Yahweh. Bad argument, but

2881
02:39:13.760 --> 02:39:16.200
<v Speaker 3>nonetheless you got to be prepared for that. That's all

2882
02:39:16.200 --> 02:39:16.760
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to say.

2883
02:39:20.319 --> 02:39:22.280
<v Speaker 6>Thank you. Let's say next up, do you have any

2884
02:39:22.280 --> 02:39:27.479
<v Speaker 6>more Muslims? I don't see many muslim looking. Let me

2885
02:39:27.520 --> 02:39:29.840
<v Speaker 6>see here. Let's see this guy two witness? What's up?

2886
02:39:30.440 --> 02:39:31.520
<v Speaker 6>Sounds like a total witness?

2887
02:39:34.079 --> 02:39:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Hello?

2888
02:39:34.719 --> 02:39:38.799
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, hi j what's up you me? Yeah?

2889
02:39:39.760 --> 02:39:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Awesome? So my name is Andrew Samuel Posemon.

2890
02:39:43.399 --> 02:39:45.319
<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to make the funerals.

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02:39:45.879 --> 02:39:48.559
<v Speaker 10>First of all, one of your speakers talked about the

2892
02:39:48.639 --> 02:39:52.040
<v Speaker 10>fact that why we call Jesus as moon if you

2893
02:39:52.159 --> 02:39:54.879
<v Speaker 10>read geness is one, verse sixteen, or if you read

2894
02:39:54.959 --> 02:39:58.959
<v Speaker 10>Matthew four, verse sixteen, or Isaiah nine, I.

2895
02:39:59.040 --> 02:39:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Think verse four.

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02:40:00.399 --> 02:40:02.840
<v Speaker 34>Uh, that you can see that we are talking about

2897
02:40:03.040 --> 02:40:08.159
<v Speaker 34>our lovely look is lamp. Lamp as the only light

2898
02:40:08.959 --> 02:40:12.000
<v Speaker 34>that rules over the darkness.

2899
02:40:11.840 --> 02:40:16.719
<v Speaker 10>Of the earth or the Abbees or Apron or Bagua

2900
02:40:16.920 --> 02:40:17.559
<v Speaker 10>or Malcot.

2901
02:40:18.079 --> 02:40:20.559
<v Speaker 3>And that's why, in fust for this.

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02:40:22.639 --> 02:40:24.280
<v Speaker 6>I can't understand what you're saying. I'm sorry.

2903
02:40:24.520 --> 02:40:27.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess he's a Persian who's maybe a convert,

2904
02:40:27.399 --> 02:40:30.879
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, he said that we call Jesus more. Does

2905
02:40:30.920 --> 02:40:33.360
<v Speaker 3>anyone call Jesus that means sly?

2906
02:40:33.559 --> 02:40:33.959
<v Speaker 6>What's up?

2907
02:40:36.079 --> 02:40:42.239
<v Speaker 4>Hey, guys, I just wanted to look him forth and

2908
02:40:42.680 --> 02:40:47.840
<v Speaker 4>helping Christians in general just push forward and be able

2909
02:40:47.879 --> 02:40:50.639
<v Speaker 4>to tools to combat because I've had trouble in the

2910
02:40:50.719 --> 02:40:53.239
<v Speaker 4>past with Muslims.

2911
02:40:53.280 --> 02:40:57.280
<v Speaker 3>Strength express my path and you know, watching you and

2912
02:40:57.360 --> 02:41:00.479
<v Speaker 3>learning from you has really helped. So thank you and sorry,

2913
02:41:00.479 --> 02:41:01.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm out of Muslim.

2914
02:41:01.319 --> 02:41:04.120
<v Speaker 6>Too, I appreciate that.

2915
02:41:05.520 --> 02:41:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Sorry for God.

2916
02:41:06.440 --> 02:41:09.280
<v Speaker 3>Please, So Jay, if you have no muscles. Brother, I'll

2917
02:41:09.360 --> 02:41:10.840
<v Speaker 3>let you get to you. Maybe you want to discuss

2918
02:41:10.920 --> 02:41:12.760
<v Speaker 3>with Protestants and Catholics. I'll let you be.

2919
02:41:13.719 --> 02:41:15.399
<v Speaker 6>I'm probably gonna call it a night. I mean, I

2920
02:41:15.600 --> 02:41:17.520
<v Speaker 6>thank you for coming on. I appreciate it. I've been going.

2921
02:41:17.760 --> 02:41:20.239
<v Speaker 6>We've been going for uh yeah, about three hours, so

2922
02:41:20.280 --> 02:41:20.879
<v Speaker 6>I appreciate that.

2923
02:41:21.040 --> 02:41:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Sam, thank you anytime. Brother, I got you back. When

2924
02:41:23.879 --> 02:41:26.159
<v Speaker 3>it comes to Slim set up that two for two brother.

2925
02:41:26.280 --> 02:41:30.399
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we're just waiting on who they want, all right, brother, brother,

2926
02:41:30.520 --> 02:41:31.120
<v Speaker 6>thank you you too.

2927
02:41:31.239 --> 02:41:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Man.

2928
02:41:31.760 --> 02:41:33.879
<v Speaker 6>Everybody that's Sam Shumun you can call him over on

2929
02:41:33.959 --> 02:41:36.719
<v Speaker 6>Shimunian channel on YouTube. I'll link his channel here in

2930
02:41:36.719 --> 02:41:43.799
<v Speaker 6>a little bit. Let's see we get some super chats.

2931
02:41:44.040 --> 02:41:46.040
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<v Speaker 6>Helward at to chalk dot com. Right now, use go

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<v Speaker 6>to J fifty to get fifty excuse me, J forty

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<v Speaker 6>four life you forty four percent off those great products

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<v Speaker 6>over there at Chalk Neo Gypsy three dollars. Does the

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<v Speaker 6>Orthodox Sam baptismal regeneration to be immediate? Yes? Why do

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02:42:04.840 --> 02:42:08.719
<v Speaker 6>we people struggle after baptism because we are battling the passions.

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<v Speaker 6>Noah M. I bought bitcoin in the recent recent dip.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you think it'll dip again the election? I have

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<v Speaker 6>no idea. I think there's any there's no way to

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<v Speaker 6>predict what's gonna happen with bitcoin. Regive it. Six thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm still blocked. I don't remember why or what what

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<v Speaker 6>are you talking about? Blocked on YouTube or Twitter? I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not sure. Thank you, Jay and all the Orthodox friends.

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02:42:29.319 --> 02:42:32.760
<v Speaker 6>I recommended that Sam Schumann contact you. Thank you appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 6>Regive itch again. Five dollars. Sam was asking for an

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<v Speaker 6>Orthodox scholar tell them under Sam Philly oquay Orthodox Catholic issues.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh yeah, I'm always open to have that discussion. Also,

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<v Speaker 6>doctor Branton is really good. Play up play at twenty dollars.

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<v Speaker 6>Come on, Jay, we need at least one or two

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02:42:48.399 --> 02:42:52.200
<v Speaker 6>yo mama jokes in a debate. I'll have to sit

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02:42:52.280 --> 02:42:54.799
<v Speaker 6>and write some good yo mama jokes. Farrella. The second,

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<v Speaker 6>five dollars, Thank you so much, hut. Five dollars. Here's

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<v Speaker 6>a cup of coffee for a Sam cool. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 6>Verrel the second, there's a missing talk on your Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I move I removed that talk for various reasons, but

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<v Speaker 6>thank you for that super chat. A cup of coffee

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<v Speaker 6>twenty dollars. Thank you, Jay, I appreciate your work. I

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02:43:10.200 --> 02:43:14.799
<v Speaker 6>found orthodoxy through three or four years ago through you.

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<v Speaker 6>Collab with Sam is great. Yeah, he's always welcome to

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<v Speaker 6>hop on. He drops the knowledge bombs. You should team

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<v Speaker 6>up in the future and make a great duo Dad

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<v Speaker 6>show a ten dollars. Would you be open to discussing

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<v Speaker 6>and debating with Warren McGrew? He does idle killer. He's

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<v Speaker 6>an open theist. He espouses a lot of EO doctrines. Well,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean it doesn't like you don't get to do

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<v Speaker 6>like half of them. And open theism is a denial

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<v Speaker 6>of divine omissions. So he says that Christ that could

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<v Speaker 6>have sinned. Paul says that it was impossible for God

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<v Speaker 6>to lie. Christ is a divine person, So no, it's

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<v Speaker 6>not possible for Jesus to do evil. You would only

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<v Speaker 6>think that if you didn't think that he was a

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<v Speaker 6>divine person. If you thought that he was if you

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<v Speaker 6>were an Aran or a Nestorian, there was only a

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<v Speaker 6>way you would think that Jesus could sin. Thank you

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<v Speaker 6>guys for all of that. If you want to get

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<v Speaker 6>my books, you can go to my website Jaysnelsons dot

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<v Speaker 6>com and in the shop you can find the text

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<v Speaker 6>signed copies in the shop and yeah fun wild Night.

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<v Speaker 6>Didn't expect Sammy Shaw