1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: They think they do the the the the the. 2 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: The the the the the. 3 00:00:48,079 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: The the the the the then they take them. 4 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: The the the the the the the the the the 5 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:59,599 the the the the the the the the the the 6 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:22,120 the the the the the the the the the. 7 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: The the. 8 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 2: The the the. 9 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 4: The the the the the the. 10 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: The the the the the the the the the the 11 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:31,120 the the the the the. 12 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 5: The the the the. 13 00:03:53,800 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 6: The all right, we're back for another open forum debate, 14 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:09,319 and the reason for today's open form is if we 15 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,120 had some interesting exchanges once again on X As you 16 00:04:13,159 --> 00:04:20,680 can imagine. Basically, there was a statement that Daniel Kikachu, 17 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:27,519 who have already debated, wants to do the debate together 18 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,319 with I don't know who, presumably Jake, I'm not sure, 19 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,800 and Muhammed hit Job will not do it, so he 20 00:04:35,079 --> 00:04:35,600 bowed out. 21 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 3: I will have. 22 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 6: Hanged this over to Jake and Hikikachu. I don't know 23 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,800 why he can't defend his position. I think isn't he 24 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,199 does any brag about memorizing the Quran or something, so 25 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:54,800 it seems like he would be able to debate it. 26 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,480 I don't know, maybe he doesn't do debates. I haven't 27 00:04:56,519 --> 00:05:01,759 kept up, but we've already debated Daniel and Jake. I mean, 28 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,480 if that's what we have to end up doing, that's fine. 29 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,399 Of course Sam has already agreed to it, so they're 30 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:13,399 like Sam is running. So Daniel puts up a tweet 31 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:20,519 saying that everyone will run or excuse me, that Sam 32 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,079 will run and that I will run, even though I've 33 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:30,360 already debated both him and Jake. Of the comments in 34 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,240 the comments section of Modern Day Debate, which is like 35 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:42,639 thousands of comments that Daniel lost. But we're scared. I'm scared. 36 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,639 We're both scared. We're running, We're we're canceling. That's what 37 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:53,240 Daniel claims. Let me find Daniel's tweet here, because I mean, 38 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,360 they're like, there's such gas letters. They don't even like, 39 00:05:55,759 --> 00:06:00,399 they're like, you made this up. The Sam slow backed 40 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:03,399 out of two debates. It's weird. He wets himself when 41 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:07,279 he hears my name. I think Jay Dyer one which 42 00:06:07,439 --> 00:06:10,160 is not me, some other that's some black dude. And 43 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:12,480 Sam told Myron that they would not debate me and 44 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,560 Jake because it would be an instant loss. Now Daniel 45 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,000 knows he's just saying this for attention, because we all 46 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,959 know what the comments say. Underneath the modern day debate 47 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,759 channels debate that I had with Daniel, and they're ninety 48 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,759 nine percent laughing at Daniel. So they play these games 49 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:37,519 and they gaslight everybody as if they've dominated in every debate. 50 00:06:37,879 --> 00:06:39,800 It's the same thing that the Romanchalvics do. Ready to 51 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,759 do this exact same thing. Even if the comments are 52 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,439 ninety nine percent that Daniel was demolished, the Muslims go 53 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,879 and cheer that they won the debate. And it's the 54 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,040 same with the Jake debate. Everybody's making fun of Jake, 55 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,360 getting it mad and yelling and gibbering and shaking like 56 00:06:56,439 --> 00:06:59,800 he's got Parkinson's. And then they're all like, he won, 57 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,800 he wanted a bit, he wanted a. 58 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,519 Speaker 2: Bit he want'. 59 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 6: That's my remix. That's the remix of it right there. Anyway, 60 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,600 we're gonna goead and open it up because there's not 61 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,600 much time because the entire world will be watching Elon 62 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:26,639 Musk and Donald Trump. I don't know if you guys 63 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,160 ever heard of them. Are you all familiar with those two? 64 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:31,199 Have you heard of Trump or Musquet? Many of you 65 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:35,480 probably have not. They will be interviewing here soon, so 66 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,360 we might as well get started, because I'm sure everybody 67 00:07:38,399 --> 00:07:42,959 will be watching that instead. Andrew Meyer is in the mix. 68 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,879 Uh oh uh oh oh oh. 69 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:47,439 Speaker 2: Oh. 70 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:55,639 Speaker 6: I was hoping the Muslims would come. They're always so 71 00:07:55,959 --> 00:08:02,639 loud and talking so much hot air bravado hutspa I 72 00:08:02,759 --> 00:08:07,000 believe is the technical term, and it's so hard to 73 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:12,600 get them to come debate anyway. It's open for him. 74 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:18,160 That means the topics are listed as Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Arianism, 75 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,639 Hebrew Roots, et cetera. If a Jewish person would like 76 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,319 to debate, they can also call in a debate. It's 77 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,040 open for him. Just keep your topics to those topics. 78 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,879 That means that if you call in to ask me 79 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:41,120 about your favorite poetry reading, your whatever box wine you've 80 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:43,960 had as a wine mom, I'm not interested, don't care. 81 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,440 If you want to talk about basic FAQs, that's not 82 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:55,240 for tonight. I'm not doing faus. That happens all the time. 83 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,399 You can go find all your FAQs elsewhere the topics 84 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,360 are listed. If you want to talk about potential debates 85 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:07,559 with sneak O the circles of Tate hit Job who 86 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,960 has declined the debate, that's also a topic as well. Andrew, 87 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:19,440 what's up, Jay? 88 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: Hey man, I literally just debated Daniel on modern day debate. Oh, 89 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:28,559 I don't know that I did a screen. 90 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:31,879 Speaker 7: Share of my document because I was reading off my 91 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,240 sources and such, and you know, I always thinking that 92 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,519 I would even be able to screen shair. 93 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: I didn't know I could do that. 94 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,159 Speaker 7: So my document was called how Pikachu Debate because I 95 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,080 saw you call him Daniel, how Pikachu? 96 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 6: So wait, what did you two debate? 97 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: Oh, we were. 98 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: Discussing the Talmud. 99 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:53,879 Speaker 7: He was telling people that the Talmud gives Jews license 100 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,559 to rape anybody they want. 101 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,799 Speaker 3: And yeah, that was a very educational bait for Daniel 102 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,440 and a lot of his viewers. 103 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 6: Well, no matter how you debate with Daniel and Muslims, 104 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:09,960 they will immediately declare that you lost and they will 105 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,240 clip everything with twenty second clips. So it seems to 106 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,879 be really just kind of a means to clipping twenty 107 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,759 second clips is really what it ends up being. 108 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 7: I will say, you know, some of the people, like 109 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,399 the first major comment on the YouTube that got likes, 110 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:31,159 it's a guy with the Kaba the Islamic rock saying 111 00:10:32,159 --> 00:10:35,399 Andrew the Jew completely cooked. And another comment was like 112 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,320 I followed Daniel. I love Daniel, but like Andrew creamed 113 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,480 and crammed him, is what the guy said. 114 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: So some of them are honest. 115 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: Some of them are honest because it was it was 116 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:46,600 pretty much a shutout. 117 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,039 Speaker 6: Okay, well, I'm going over here. We'll look at the comments. 118 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,759 Anything you want to leave us with, people can go 119 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:52,559 check out your debate. I'm interested to watch that. 120 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, the Mohammed jab the guy said that it's worse 121 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,759 to be a Christian than a homosex and in his religion, 122 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,080 homosexuals deserve death. 123 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: So that's a pretty nasty. 124 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: Thing to say. 125 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,759 Speaker 3: And I think anybody like that. 126 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 7: Not paying attention to those type of statements, Like I 127 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,039 think everybody that believes in God, there is an alliance 128 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,679 that can be made in the world. 129 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: But we have to sort out things like that. 130 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:22,639 Speaker 2: First. 131 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: You got to be aware of who you're talking to. 132 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,799 Speaker 7: Somebody thinks that you're worse than someone that deserves death, 133 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:29,799 you got to be aware of that. 134 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:32,759 Speaker 6: So is this the debate, the one that's titled is 135 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,919 the Torah's treatment of non Jews? Ethical? 136 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 7: Is that it? 137 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:36,879 Speaker 2: That's it? 138 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 6: Okay? Yeah, well, thank you Andrew I'll check that out. 139 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:43,039 Speaker 3: Is it your religion, bro? 140 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:43,399 Speaker 8: Thank you? 141 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,919 Speaker 6: That is a debate we don't see often. Now, we 142 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,000 did have a Jewish individual debate the other day. He 143 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,559 and I were debating the passages in the Torah and 144 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,200 the prophets. So the accusation that I never debate anyone 145 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,320 who's Jewish is not true. We just don't simply have 146 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,639 We simply don't have that many Jews at calling to debate. 147 00:12:06,039 --> 00:12:08,519 But we had one last week and it went on 148 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,480 for I don't know, thirty forty five minutes. So it's 149 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:15,279 just simply not true. I'm typically open to debating anybody 150 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,799 if they're sane. I don't debate like totally crazy wacko 151 00:12:19,919 --> 00:12:24,840 people unless they're really entertaining than we do. So this 152 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,919 looks like an interesting debate. I would be interested to 153 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,080 see how this went down. Let's look at Let's see 154 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,639 what the reactions are, because I want to I want 155 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:33,919 to look really quickly at the We'll look at the 156 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,960 reactions between the debate that I had, not the Torah, 157 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:42,399 the Talmud, modern day debate, blah blah blah, Daniel Hikikachu. 158 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:53,159 So let's see a lot of Muslims Daniel's entertaining Daniel 159 00:12:53,240 --> 00:13:09,960 one pleasant conversation Aqem Elijah on at least Jews don't 160 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,960 force their beliefs on each other. Well, this is a 161 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,879 difference that I think a lot of people don't take 162 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,519 into account because people are always saying, why don't you 163 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:22,559 debate more Jews. Jews are not really proselytizers, so their 164 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,600 faith is not centered on making as many converts. So 165 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:32,159 that's one reason why there's not a lot of Jewish debates. 166 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:44,200 All Daniel does is Gish gallop. I don't like either religion. 167 00:13:45,799 --> 00:13:57,480 Daniel is a pdf all right, so we'll check that 168 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,200 one out. If I've ever seen him Muslim versus Jewish debate, 169 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,639 I've never ever seen that, So that's that will be 170 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,639 interesting to see. Now, let's see the comments between me 171 00:14:10,879 --> 00:14:13,879 and Daniel, because those are quite a hoot. Never mind, 172 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:15,159 we don't have time for that. You can go read 173 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:17,919 those comments on your own if you want to, because 174 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:35,879 they're they're a hoot. Let's see, Zerky police be upon me. 175 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,799 You got on mute bro, all right, we lost we 176 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:54,159 lost him. Sam Shamun. Is he in that you're saying 177 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,039 he's in the quay? Let me see I don't see 178 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,960 him on here. How are you saying Sam wants to join? 179 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,039 Sam can join in on the Twitter? Is he not 180 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:04,679 use Twitter? If he wants to hop in, he can? 181 00:15:04,759 --> 00:15:08,919 I don't care. Okay, I know I see your comments, 182 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,720 but I don't have a I have to switch it 183 00:15:12,799 --> 00:15:20,600 over to tell Sam to join through the Twitter space, 184 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:26,559 and I'll have him on if he hops on the 185 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Twitter space. But I've already set up this stream to 186 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:34,360 where my display is this and it's not collab cam. 187 00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:36,120 I might could turn on collab cam. 188 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:36,559 Speaker 3: I don't know. 189 00:15:36,679 --> 00:15:38,879 Speaker 6: Let me see. Let's see if Sam can join through 190 00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:42,200 Twitter space first, that would be the easiest, and then 191 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:44,840 if he can't, I'll try to see if I can 192 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:50,759 change the window capture to collab cam. I Mike can 193 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:52,320 do that in the middle of a stream. I don't 194 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,440 know if I've tried that before. So, but the easiest 195 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,840 thing would be if Sam can just join the Twitter space. 196 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:17,559 He messages me on Skype, I can't play the If 197 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:22,440 I play Sam's message, it'll shut down the Twitter space. 198 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:24,399 So the easiest thing is if he just joins up. 199 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:39,480 Let's see Cody, I'm. 200 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:44,879 Speaker 3: Hello Jay, Hey, how's it going, brother? What's up, man, 201 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,159 not much, man, thank you so much for having me on. 202 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,519 Speaker 9: I just wanted to talk about Protestantism and I wanted 203 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,360 to just bring up what do you what do you 204 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:59,279 think about the one Bible verse that says that wherever 205 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:02,840 more than one and gather something like that, then I 206 00:17:02,919 --> 00:17:05,000 shall be there too. A lot of Protestants used that 207 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,200 to justify the idea that the church felt a way 208 00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:11,079 and that there was need for reformation. 209 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 2: What do you think about that? 210 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,759 Speaker 6: Well, this actually goes back to the Jewish tradition because 211 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,920 Jews had this idea that you need a certain number 212 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,759 of people there to have what's the term that he's 213 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:25,559 a minion or something like that, like a group to 214 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,000 make up a community. I forget the exact number that 215 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:32,880 they had as their idea, but the principle is true. 216 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,799 But it still doesn't mean that there's not an appointed 217 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,400 place for worship to occur. Does that make sense? Okay, 218 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,240 So Sam's here, Sam, if you want to join, and 219 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:45,240 you're welcome to Let's see if I can invite him 220 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:45,599 to come on. 221 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: Gotcha? Okay, thank you, Jay, I appreciate you. 222 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,279 Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, in other words, you can't like take 223 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,480 one verse kind of in exclusion to the rest of 224 00:17:54,559 --> 00:17:57,799 the verses. So the same principle could be true, like 225 00:17:58,839 --> 00:18:02,359 you know, with let's say we gather together, you know, 226 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:06,039 somebody's house to do prayers. Is God in our midst Sure, 227 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,920 but that doesn't mean that, oh well, then we don't 228 00:18:09,039 --> 00:18:12,480 need the you know, weekly liturgical worship of the church, 229 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:15,559 like that would be a false either or because the 230 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,000 rest of the passages after that, you know, as we 231 00:18:19,079 --> 00:18:22,960 get into the New Testament, Jesus explains that the church 232 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:26,880 is established around the bishops. So you see what I'm saying, Like, 233 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:31,319 the principle is true and it is also it's like 234 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,319 John four where Jesus says that worship will no longer 235 00:18:35,519 --> 00:18:39,359 just be in Jerusalem when the Messiah. Now the messiahs comed, 236 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,319 he says to the woman in the well, worship will 237 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,680 be done to the Father all over the world. Right, 238 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:45,720 does that make sense? 239 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:48,519 Speaker 2: Gotcha? 240 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 6: Okay? So in other words, the rest of the passage 241 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,160 will also informed this. It's not a denial of the 242 00:18:55,279 --> 00:18:59,799 place for liturgical worship, like I mean, Jesus doesn't mention 243 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:01,920 the Lord's Supper in that passage, right, So when we 244 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,680 conclude from that, oh well, I guess the Lord's sawper 245 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:05,799 is not necessary because this verse doesn't mention that. It 246 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:06,960 just says get together and pray. 247 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 248 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 9: Yeah, I feel like a lot of Protestants take an 249 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,240 engine run a mile with it. 250 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:15,039 Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. 251 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:18,559 Speaker 3: I'm a little starstruck being here with you and Sam 252 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,720 as well, So anybody hear me. 253 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:21,839 Speaker 6: Yeah, what's up? 254 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:22,079 Speaker 5: Sam? 255 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:22,799 Speaker 2: Hey? 256 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:23,519 Speaker 3: Brother, what's up? 257 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:23,759 Speaker 10: Yeah? 258 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:25,599 Speaker 3: I was told you're calling out the Muslim so I 259 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,319 wanted to come. Sure and you for that segment because 260 00:19:28,319 --> 00:19:31,240 I'm also live streaming. But what's going on? Muslim's buddy 261 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:32,039 talk to me, Jake. 262 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, we got to open for him here. I don't 263 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,519 know how many Muslims are in the space. It's always 264 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:39,640 kind of a random thing as to who shows up. 265 00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:42,720 I've invited multiple Muslims to come today. I don't know 266 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,400 if they will. Let's see if we got a Muslim here. 267 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I want to set the record. 268 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,279 Speaker 6: Sweep because I know, yeah, please do you and me. 269 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 3: I know, I gotta be careful what I say because 270 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,160 I got two strikes on YouTube and Daniel how key 271 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,559 could you is responsible for the first one. So if 272 00:19:57,599 --> 00:20:00,880 I get a third one and the next ninety days, 273 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,599 my account will be Dolle. So I got to be 274 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,839 careful what I say because I'm on YouTube now because 275 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,039 they just told me your life for the set the 276 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,160 record straight. I have the receipts Donnie for standing for truth. 277 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,640 I reached out to him, and I even have the 278 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,599 receipts for modern day debate, a platform I will never 279 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,039 work with because he turned out to be dishonest. But 280 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:23,039 I challenge Daniel Hakikachu and I got the receipts, I 281 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,839 got the emails and Donnie can confirm. I challenge Daniel 282 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,559 Hakikachu to debate me on four topics. One topic was 283 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,839 Muhammed's view of the Bible, and I'm gonna explain why 284 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,279 I always start with that. Second topic would be the 285 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:43,279 Krawn is it filled with contradictions and errors? Third topic, 286 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,599 we would discuss whether the Trinity is fond and scripture. 287 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,440 Fourth topic, whether Stamp teaches pure monetism. So this is 288 00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:54,160 my challenge. Now, I understand that Daniel is not the 289 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:56,559 sharpest tool in the shed, and I hope the Muslims 290 00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:58,079 are hearing this because I would love to learn him 291 00:20:58,079 --> 00:20:59,519 to show up now and put me in my place, 292 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,640 because he claims I'm running. He comes back and accepts 293 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,440 three and then he wants to debate about the authenticity 294 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,799 of scriptures. Now, Jay, you're a master of logic. I'm 295 00:21:09,839 --> 00:21:12,240 not I try to stay with scripture. I'm not that 296 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:14,759 good in logic. If I challenge you to debate me 297 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,519 Mohammed's view of the Bible and then you come back 298 00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:20,720 and propose a topic the authenticity of the Christian scriptures? 299 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,119 Am I missing something here? 300 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:24,519 Speaker 2: Am I like? 301 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: Is there a disconnect? Because if I'm debating you Mohammed's 302 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:29,519 view the Bible to show you that Mohammad taught that 303 00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:31,720 the Bible is uncrumpt, but then you want to then 304 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:35,759 debate me again on the authenticity of scriptures, that means 305 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,440 either this man didn't get it or he wants to 306 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,440 do jihad against Muhammad. Because once I established that Muhammad 307 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,519 taught that the Bible's uncrrupt, he cannot attack the Bible 308 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:47,640 if he's going to stay I'm listener. Now, am I 309 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,519 missing something here? Help me with logic? J I'm not 310 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:49,920 that sure. 311 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,319 Speaker 6: Well, I wouldn't call even say I'm an expert in logic, 312 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,759 but I mean I know enough basic principles of you know, 313 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:01,119 fallacies that there's certain things that they won't. We know 314 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,680 that they're not going to debate you on anything textual. 315 00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:07,920 They'll only debate what they think is a safe space. So, 316 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,000 for example, Jake, Jake's never going to debate anything textual, 317 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,039 nothing to do with anything revelation in scripture or anything 318 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,240 like that. He would they admittedly would not do well there. 319 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,839 So Jake's only interested in quote metaphysics. But I don't 320 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,400 even think Jake understands metaphysics very well based on what 321 00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:29,039 we debated. Now, another thing I want to touch on 322 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,599 to Sam is that people were misunderstanding all the Muslims 323 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:38,680 today on Twitter because Myron's tweet ended up getting like 324 00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:43,000 six hundred thousand views, and that they misunderstood that. They 325 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,359 thought that you were only calling out sneak O and Uthman. 326 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,480 You were offering one on one debates with all the 327 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,240 people that you called out, and you agreed to a 328 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,880 two versus two with me as well. 329 00:22:54,920 --> 00:23:00,599 Speaker 3: Yes, let me set that straight, Jape. It's something he 330 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,599 put a video mocking me about my analogies for the Trinity. Now, 331 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,400 I promise Jake, and I hope he's listening. I promise 332 00:23:09,519 --> 00:23:14,480 Jake that I wouldn't attack him personally. Because Jake, it's public. 333 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:17,920 He has MS, so I want to extend grace to 334 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:21,319 him and pray for him that God will use that 335 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,000 to bring him to the truth, and that because he's young, 336 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,720 MS is not something to laugh at. So I promised him, Look, 337 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,039 I'm not going to make it personal with you. We're 338 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,920 going to keep it professional. Well, he did a video, 339 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:36,359 brought up a clip mocking me about my Trinitian analogies, 340 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,480 and you know how it is being Middle Eastern Assyrian 341 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:42,039 hot blooded. May God constrain me so I don't send 342 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:44,039 him my anger. I said, Okay, Jake, I'm going to 343 00:23:44,079 --> 00:23:46,559 I'll call you out. You and I got a debate, 344 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,839 Mono Imano. You and I are going to debate. I'm 345 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,599 going to contact Donnie for Standing for Truth. He's one 346 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,759 of the most fair moderators on the planet standing for truth, 347 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,319 and I'm going to be doing a live stream where 348 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:02,160 I'm going to call you out first. Now, I guess 349 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:04,200 that part they didn't put on Twitter, but it's on 350 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:08,359 my YouTube and rumble. I'm challenging tobate me Mohammed's view 351 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,640 of the Bible, and then whether the Bible teaches a 352 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,759 trinity and whether Slam teaches pure monotheism, but we have 353 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:17,960 to start with the foundational one Mohammed's view the Bible. 354 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,359 I contact them, he goes Okay. Then in that video, 355 00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:24,640 I said that I doubt Jake will have the courage 356 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,319 to debate me on that. He can then bring Daniel 357 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,920 Hakikachu to join him on these three topics, and I'll 358 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,799 do those two against me, and I go call my bluff, 359 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,440 and I'm challenging Sneiko and Uthman and Muhammad to debate 360 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:41,039 me on these three. That's something different from you and I. 361 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,960 I agree to join you, and it can be anyone 362 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,640 on the planet. Let him bring shiverer Ali, I will 363 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:51,119 join you on fresh and fit I will follow your 364 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,319 lead to debate any of them. So now that it's clear, 365 00:24:56,039 --> 00:25:00,799 stop the lies, Muslims, stop risk representing the facts. So Jay, 366 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,039 you let me know if anyone accepts. I know you're 367 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:08,200 already school Daniel Hakakachu and you already owned Jay. And 368 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:10,920 I saw that Muhammada Joab wants to run. But if 369 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,960 Muhammed a Job wants to bring Daniel, I don't mind him. 370 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:17,839 And Daniel, you and I, but you set the perimeters right. 371 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,839 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they said yeah, go ahead, Yes. 372 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 11: Sim I just don't see the issue. For I am Muslim, 373 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:29,480 so I'm biased. 374 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 5: But you are not accepting a two on two on 375 00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:35,559 modern day debates, which is pretty much the debate platform. 376 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 3: That's actually a lie. Have you seen my emails when 377 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,960 I publish them or you're gonna lie like a good takiast? 378 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:43,599 Did you see the emails? Why did I make and. 379 00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 11: I didn't even make a statement. 380 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 3: No, because you said modern day debate, I actually agree 381 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,200 to modern day debate to debate Danie hock Chu and 382 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,559 I propose the four topics. 383 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,039 Speaker 5: I'm not talking about what happened in the past. I'm 384 00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:58,839 talking about this two v two that is being presented now. 385 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 6: Why would we do it on lot of the debate? 386 00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:03,720 Why would we do that on modern day debate when 387 00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:05,640 that's already going to be on myrons? 388 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, and let me let me correct you. Maybe you 389 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,079 didn't listen to the first ten times after Modern Day 390 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,319 Debate proved that he's not a man of integrity, I 391 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,640 won't go on his channel now if they want to 392 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,279 do it too on two Fresh and Fit? Right, Yeah, 393 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,079 what's wrong with fresh and Fit? Okay? I mean that 394 00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:25,359 seems that seems you know that seems in your world 395 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,720 kissing of Blackstone seems like monotheism. We don't care what 396 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:29,359 it seems to you. 397 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 12: Get them onto on fresh and fit, amazing manner, dude, 398 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,799 I guess no much better matters than Muhammed whom mount 399 00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:39,160 a nine year old and had you do muta and 400 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,519 had your captive women Blackstone young men. 401 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 3: Anyway, Jay, you'll let me know when the Pagans are 402 00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:49,599 bold enough to step up to the plate and debate 403 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,000 you and I. Yeah, and if you need me to 404 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:55,000 come back if they join, just let me know on Skype. 405 00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:56,599 I'll join you because I just wanted to set the 406 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,920 record straight because I'm on a livestream. But I will 407 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:00,480 interrupted become if they come up. 408 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 6: And if you want me to join it, yeah, Well, 409 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,359 I mean there's we got Muslims coming in if they 410 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:04,960 want to debate. 411 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if they want to, yeah, but are they 412 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,839 gonna do it or they're gonna start whining and making excuses? So, Jay, 413 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,359 I wanted to talk to you. 414 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 6: If that's okay, Well why can't you don't want to 415 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,640 talk to both of us? I'll bring another Muslim up. 416 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I guess this would this topic would 417 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:23,119 kind of not be for Sam Shampoo running from s Man. 418 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 3: Now you almost from Landing. Yeah, man, I'm running from Blackstone. Hey, hey, 419 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:30,799 click this up? 420 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 13: Hey, why did you run away from SnO Park? 421 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,079 Speaker 14: It was three of you guys. 422 00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 3: It was the crook David would come on. I know 423 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:39,480 my people, I know, come on, why did you run away? 424 00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:41,039 Speaker 13: Your brother? 425 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 3: Tell you? Let me lick the Blackstone become a poor 426 00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:49,680 collegies listening. I respect you, man, I'm sorry. I was 427 00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:53,960 trying to in front of you run away, but everybody 428 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,119 else you your profit didn't run away. Why do you 429 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,799 like to run away and call Muslims out? Like Muhammed 430 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,799 who didn't do it from the front, but he went behind. 431 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,640 I wore her dress? What about your wife? 432 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 2: I heard about your wife? What about you? 433 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 6: So if we're gonna do it, how is he running? 434 00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,000 How is he running? If we're gonna do it? This guy, 435 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,839 this guy is ridiculous. 436 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 3: He ran away from. 437 00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:25,839 Speaker 2: J J. 438 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 5: So I kind of wanted to ask you some questions 439 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,799 that would you know, benefit the audience. And you know, 440 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,599 I'm here with sincerity because like I've like I view 441 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,200 you as somebody that's like relatively intellectual. 442 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,279 Speaker 6: Like what's get to the question. What's the question? 443 00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:45,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm trying. I'm trying to understand. 444 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:49,799 Speaker 3: So if you have three persons. 445 00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 5: With one nature, which is divine, and you have three 446 00:28:53,759 --> 00:29:00,480 persons with one nature, which is you know, human, how 447 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,039 is that not three gods? The same way it is 448 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:04,519 it three humans? 449 00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 6: Because it's an analogy, and all analogies break down at 450 00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:11,680 certain points. The point precisely at which the analogy breaks 451 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,559 down is that the three persons are not separate beings, 452 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,480 like three humans are separate beings. So the analogy is 453 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,039 just between the relationship of nature to person, not three 454 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,319 separate beings. So in the same way you understand that 455 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:28,079 as a Muslim, you believe the same thing about the attributes. 456 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 5: Just one second, just before we get into that, I 457 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,799 kind of want to understand your view more so, is 458 00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:36,960 the being. 459 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:39,599 Speaker 3: Numerically identical? 460 00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:43,079 Speaker 5: Meaning object one and object two have every single thing 461 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,079 about them the same? 462 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,039 Speaker 6: No, or, I'll say, wouldn't be distinct persons. 463 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,759 Speaker 3: So the the being is not numerically identical to God. 464 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:55,559 Speaker 6: You don't understand that something can be similar and different 465 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,039 in different ways. They don't have to all. It's not 466 00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:02,279 an either or. That's what an analogy is. So you're 467 00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:05,960 confusing the analogy as if everything in the created aspect 468 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,200 that's an analogy to what we're talking about, has to 469 00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:11,160 match up one to one, and it's not that way. 470 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,359 Speaker 3: I don't I don't see what created has to do 471 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:13,680 with this. 472 00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 6: Though you said three human beings, those are creatures. 473 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,839 Speaker 11: No, no, no, no, I asked you about God and 474 00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:22,519 the same being. 475 00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, but your original question was an analogy to three 476 00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:30,359 human beings and three divine persons. That's an analogy. Do 477 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,279 you understand what let's let's rewind. Do you know what 478 00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:33,720 analogy is? First of all? 479 00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:38,759 Speaker 11: Yeah, sure, what it's comparing things to show the. 480 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:43,559 Speaker 6: Same point or but there's also what is it a 481 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:44,319 one to one. 482 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,279 Speaker 3: And an analogy should be one to one? 483 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,119 Speaker 6: No, that's not an analogy. Okay, so you don't even 484 00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,240 know basic grammar, so there. 485 00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:56,359 Speaker 5: So there isn't a way to represent with like you know, 486 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,440 a sound analogy what you're trying. 487 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 6: To So there's unifical predication, equivocal predication, and there's an 488 00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:06,839 analogical predication. So what you said is that there's a 489 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,000 one to one, right, that's not analogy. That's different. 490 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 5: No, that's that's that's regarding numerical identity, right, I asked you, 491 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,480 is God numerically identical to the being? 492 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:20,559 Speaker 2: The one being? 493 00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:24,319 Speaker 6: The word being is just like the word God. It 494 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,640 can pick out different things. It's a generic term. It's 495 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,359 not a proper noun. Okay. And that's your mistake is 496 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:32,079 that you think that it only picks out one thing. 497 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,319 But even in your own theology, it picks out different 498 00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:38,640 things things because you think Allah has attributes and you 499 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,119 think that, and let me, I can just ask you 500 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,160 if you think the attributes are possessed a sayety. 501 00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,079 Speaker 3: And I have a question for him about that. Hopefully 502 00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:47,599 you can define. 503 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 5: So I'm still ask about my own theological schools. So 504 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:59,400 I don't really have a response. What I'm responding to, Jake. 505 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,559 Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question to see your consistency. 506 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:04,000 I know you want to run it's okay. 507 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,759 Speaker 11: So how is saying that I don't have asked the question. 508 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 5: I don't have enough knowledge regarding my own geological spending. 509 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 3: You don't have enough knowledge of Jay's theological tradition. 510 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 11: But what you hear, that's why I'm asking him questions. 511 00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 3: No, you're not asking questions to learn because every time 512 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:24,480 he tries to explain it. See, this is the problem, Jay. 513 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,000 They just want to talk over people. So the coward 514 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,839 doesn't want to defend his own politicism, pretending to know Sham, 515 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,960 I was having a good conversation with Jay. You're literally like, Jay, 516 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,480 are you having a good conversation I'm having You're having. 517 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:41,559 Speaker 6: Like, Well, the conversation is. Look, I mean you're you're 518 00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:47,440 confusing analogical predication with unifical predication. So unifical means in 519 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,000 the same sense. So if I said that the threeeness 520 00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:53,640 of human beings is identical to the threness of divine persons, 521 00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:56,480 that would be unifical predication. That's a one to one. 522 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480 An Analogy is when there's aspects of it that are 523 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:03,759 similar and aspects that are not similar. Hence analogy. Yes, 524 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,359 do you understand that, But do you understand that you 525 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,279 do the same thing in Islam when you talk about 526 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:11,079 Allah having similarities to creatures, even though your Kuran says 527 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,759 in forty two that there's no similarities between alline creatures. 528 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:14,440 You do the same thing. 529 00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 3: Understand that, Yeah, but he's committing chirk. By the way, 530 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,200 let me explain to you how he's committing shirk. God Sam, 531 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,839 You're you're why he's committing shirk. Why Jay, if he's 532 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,279 on your team, man, good luck on the deba. Yeah, okay, Jay, 533 00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:30,880 let me explain to you as they try to tell 534 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,839 cover because that's what they do. They try to dominate 535 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,559 and bully. That's what narcissts do. In the Koran. Just 536 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,119 try and talk to j Well, you'd be not smart. 537 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,799 Chapter forty two, verse eleven. Chapter one, twelve four says 538 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,799 there's nothing comparable to a law. A form of shirk 539 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,599 is when you try to liken Allah to creatures. And 540 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,359 this is what you've been trying to hammer to him, 541 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:53,839 that when he used the analogy of three human beings 542 00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:59,200 and somehow derived from that that the Trinity is identical. 543 00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,400 Because you kept saying that analogy means there's similarities and differences. 544 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,839 He's now likening God to creation, which is a form 545 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,360 of shirk in Islamic theology. But he wouldn't know that 546 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,119 because memory pleaded ignorance. 547 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 5: About amazing argument, Sam, amazing Okay, Now tell me about 548 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:14,639 the Koran? 549 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 3: Is it uncreated or created? 550 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 15: Yo? 551 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:18,079 Speaker 2: Ja? 552 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 6: I mean, is there anything we're not going to answer that? 553 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,800 What about the Quran that I can talk to you, 554 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:25,360 is it uncreator created? 555 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,159 Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not here to debate Islam. 556 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,199 Speaker 6: Here you are, I'm talking about you. You're going attorney 557 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,599 in the question, of course you are. 558 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 3: I'm trying, dude, That's that's it. I'm I don't want 559 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:38,679 to talk creative. 560 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,679 Speaker 6: Well, what's wrong with Okay? Well do you want me 561 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,800 to ask you Sam's question about? How about? I just 562 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:46,800 asked you Sam's question? 563 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,039 Speaker 16: Then? 564 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,159 Speaker 13: I mean, yeah, good, I'm really not interested in that, right? 565 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 2: Why not? 566 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,559 Speaker 6: I mean it's the same principle. Is all a one 567 00:34:57,679 --> 00:34:58,039 or many? 568 00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 3: So Jay asked for ask on my behalf, you'll be 569 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:06,119 my agent. Shelley is the creator, uncreator See if he's 570 00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:06,679 gonna answer this. 571 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 6: Is this is so silly. He's right here. You can 572 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:14,760 hear what Sam saying. Come on, man, what what do 573 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,039 you think? 574 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:15,599 Speaker 8: Yeah? 575 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:17,519 Speaker 3: All right? 576 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 2: Do you have someone else? 577 00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 6: Because he's doctor. Let's see what doctor? 578 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 3: Oh he's this guy's a peace I like this guy? 579 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: Is he here? Yeah? 580 00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 3: Look, I just want you gotta send me your notes. 581 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:36,280 I was still still getting this together, but I had 582 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,159 a comment for r J. 583 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,599 Speaker 17: So, r J, you you just you can't go attacking 584 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,920 their theology when you don't have your own together. 585 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 3: I love you, man, You'll just hit a critical like if. 586 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 17: You if you believe that God's attributes are uncreated, eternal. 587 00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,119 Speaker 18: And they're not identical to God and they're not other 588 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:52,639 than God. 589 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 17: You can't go attacking a Trinitarian for believing something very 590 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,159 similar about his divine persons. 591 00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 3: You can't do that, doctor Kelliam. Just so my audience 592 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,280 know who you are, doctor Khalil, and Danny. He is 593 00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:12,039 an Ismaili, an Islamic philosopher. He actually debated Jake on 594 00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:16,079 the incoherence of Toheed. This man is brilliant and I'm 595 00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,440 not saying it to say it. He is. I'm waiting 596 00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:20,280 for your notes and it would be an honor if 597 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,599 you feel that I'm good enough to have you to 598 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,320 bring you on, because I know David had brought you 599 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,360 on because as in Ismaili, you actually believe that Christ 600 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:34,679 was crucified, did die, but as soul is alive? Am 601 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:35,159 I correct? 602 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:36,679 Speaker 2: Yes? 603 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 17: Yes, okay, we're not the only ones who believe that 604 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:44,000 there are there Muslims historically minority will have you too. 605 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 3: You have my contact face because I reached out to 606 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,639 you for your notes. If you ever want to come 607 00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:52,400 on and talk about your Ismayliism, your view of God 608 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,119 that it's nothing like the Athities and you have problems 609 00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:58,920 with it. And if you want to talk about that, 610 00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:02,159 the crowd does not categorically deny that Christ was killed 611 00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:04,880 by a crucifixion, it'd be an honor for me to bring. 612 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 2: You on an interview. 613 00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 6: Well, everyone should also watch Jake's debate with doctor Khalil too. 614 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,639 I'll watch that many times. 615 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 19: So that was a great debate, ye, speaking of debate 616 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,639 in the spirit off a friendly discourse and not not 617 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:20,880 at homing. 618 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 17: And I responded to your guised debate challenge, and I've 619 00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:29,280 offered a three on three debate between three of you 620 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,679 and three of my people, again in a friendly academic spirit. 621 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,119 Speaker 18: It's in a tweet. 622 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,559 Speaker 17: And I've also proposed, because you guys don't know much 623 00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:41,360 about our position and we don't know so much about yours, 624 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,840 so I've also proposed. 625 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 18: That bally, do we debate again in a proper way. 626 00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 17: But I also have proposed a before the debate, long 627 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,719 before the debate, a public discovery session. 628 00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 18: Where we would meet online and then we just. 629 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,199 Speaker 17: Have like an open Q and A with each other 630 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,280 out Okay, what is your position on this? What is 631 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,119 your position on that? 632 00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 18: I don't expect you to answer this right now, but 633 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,679 is doctor, that's no problem. 634 00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 3: It's fine. 635 00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:10,119 Speaker 6: I'm open to anything. Like I'm always open to that 636 00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:10,960 kind of stuff. I'm open. 637 00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I all for just one thing. Member of my 638 00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:17,480 specialty fortee. Just so there in my background is scriptural exegesus. 639 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,119 The philosophical whiz would be Jay. So if I do discussions, 640 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:24,880 I prefer to make a textual based so I would 641 00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:28,000 well be more than happy. Do you bring into others. 642 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,719 Jay's got me with him, he can bring someone else. 643 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 2: Let's do this. 644 00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 17: So but yes, I understand that I don't know lich 645 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,599 debate because you guys have been proposing like three four topics. 646 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:40,199 I can't keep tracks. So I just responded to trinity 647 00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:44,320 like your trinity model versus a Neil or Neil platonic 648 00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:48,480 heat model. We can again think about it. We're happy 649 00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,360 to discuss the specifics of what it would can what 650 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,400 it would cover, whether we just philosophy metaphysics, or whether 651 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,920 it be scripture and metaphysics, and we can we can 652 00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:57,679 talk about that. 653 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:00,559 Speaker 18: But it's just it's an open. 654 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,159 Speaker 20: Call and it would be a debate in the technical sense, 655 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,639 but it won't be a debate in this popular sense 656 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,800 where everyone just you know, we're just trying to like 657 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,280 score points like WWE or something like. 658 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,199 Speaker 18: We're not interested in that. What we're interested in. 659 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 17: It is sort of like a proper exchange of each 660 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,639 Each group's position is very clear, the arguments for and against. 661 00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:21,639 And if you want an idea of what I'm talking about, 662 00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:24,440 I've debated, and I put this in quotes. You know, 663 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,159 I've debated David Would a couple of times, right, yes, 664 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,639 And I've debated Joshua Side right also, And this is 665 00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:35,920 what I have in mind. So, yeah, we have different views, 666 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,039 and I'm not going to pretend I have the same 667 00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,400 view as you and vice versa. But you know, it 668 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,559 would be a proper sort of academic more of an 669 00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:48,000 academic debate, like you know, when we see I'm sure 670 00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:50,800 you've seen Christian philosophers debate each other on YouTube. 671 00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 672 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,599 Speaker 17: Pretty, they're pretty nice to each other. They're civil, nobody 673 00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,119 insults the other person's mother or whatever it is. 674 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 3: By way, just for the record, I was challenging the dies. Oh, 675 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,199 I understand that, I understand. 676 00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:09,199 Speaker 18: I totally see it. I know what you guys are doing. 677 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,119 And I'm not a part of that industry. 678 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:18,159 Speaker 17: Exactly my agenda and from my colleaguesist we occasionally will 679 00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:20,920 involve ourselves on this because we want to raise the discourse. 680 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,280 And frankly, we're tired of a marginal Celerfie theology, you know, 681 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,719 because celo fees are marginal, like their theology is marginal. 682 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,400 This is not even the majority of studies. But we're 683 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,920 sort of tired of this sort of like dominating the airwaves. 684 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,039 Speaker 18: It sort of becomes old. 685 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 17: I mean, Jay already j beat Jake's celopism. I beat 686 00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:44,000 Jake's celifism. It's just getting old now. 687 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 3: They just keep yeah and both person beat it too. 688 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,039 Speaker 18: So how many losses are these guys going to take? 689 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,760 Speaker 17: I think it's time for this, the more intellectually grounded 690 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,519 and philosophically. 691 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 18: Sophisticated positions to dialogue. And this is even what some 692 00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:02,159 academics have said. 693 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,519 Speaker 17: They've said that, look, if the dialogue partner of Christianity 694 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,840 was this spiritual philosophical Islam, you know, everything would be 695 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:10,480 quite different. 696 00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 18: And I think that's true. 697 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,599 Speaker 3: I agree with you, doctor, and I want people to 698 00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:17,519 know you are not among these diies. You are respectful. 699 00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:19,199 I'm not just saying to say that I've seen your work. 700 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,000 You are professional. 701 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 2: You know. 702 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 17: The irony of what you're saying is that the term 703 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,800 dae as a title was invented by the Ismileys. 704 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:29,559 Speaker 3: Wow historical your language. 705 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 17: Yeah, Dawa and die as formal titles of people at activity. 706 00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:36,159 Speaker 18: This is an ismili invention. 707 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,679 Speaker 17: Nobody Smiley's called themselves dies and did die off our 708 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,480 dialogs different, but yeah. 709 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry that they hijacked that term. But I 710 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,320 want people to know this man is a professional Islamic philosopher. 711 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,159 Watch his discussions. Very perfect. Fact my first introduction to you. 712 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 21: You may not know this. 713 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,760 Speaker 3: Years ago you had a symposium on Christology. You were 714 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,199 representing a Smailism shiver Aali the sunny position, and he 715 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,159 had Tony Costa, and you had a Catholic representing the 716 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,920 Protestant Catholic view of Jesus Christ. 717 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 6: Do you remember that? 718 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 22: I remember it very well. 719 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 18: The video is still on my discussion. 720 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,320 Speaker 3: It was excellent. That's kind of professional dialogue in debate, 721 00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:22,760 superb because you gave your position, Shaver gave his position, 722 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,320 Tony Costa gave his position, and I forget the Catholic 723 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,440 man's name, but it was four perspectives on Jesus superb correct. 724 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,280 So my hat's off too. You are professional and you 725 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,159 are a gentleman. 726 00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:37,360 Speaker 18: Thank you. 727 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,199 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. 728 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 3: The offers there. 729 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 18: Again, we take your time. We're happy to discuss specifics 730 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,159 at a later time. We're in no rush, so if 731 00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:49,760 this doesn't happen for months, it's not a problem. But 732 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,039 we're just putting it out there. 733 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,760 Speaker 3: You got so, Jay, it's in your court. If you 734 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,039 ever want me to join in this discussion, I'll do 735 00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:58,199 the technical stuff. I'm here to do that because you're 736 00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:00,679 the philosopher. I'm the textual guy that's saying that. I'm great, 737 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:01,360 but you know what I mean. 738 00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:04,519 Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, I appreciate that, Doctor Klow, appreciate that. Sam. 739 00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:08,440 You guys are welcome to I'm happy to say something 740 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:09,519 up down the road for sure. 741 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,159 Speaker 3: Now, brother Jay, if you don't have any Muslims want 742 00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:12,719 to debate us. 743 00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 6: Oh, there's all. There's a whole crew of Muslims. 744 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:17,599 Speaker 3: But are they gonna talk or they're gonna insult in custom? 745 00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:20,559 Speaker 6: Let's say who's next. Let's say who's next? Right, go ahead, Hassan, 746 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:27,880 there here we go, gonna. I'm mute. Man, All we go, Hassan, 747 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,280 I'm mute. 748 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,119 Speaker 3: If you want to talk as getting ready for the 749 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:32,599 attack and so it's guys. 750 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,639 Speaker 6: Get ready, Hassan Shibley, un mute if you want to talk. 751 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:44,039 Speaker 3: Man, By the way, for those on my channels, I 752 00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,440 don't want you to confuse it with Sonny Islam. In fact, 753 00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:49,559 doctor Kott is more qualified to speak of his branch 754 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:57,079 of Islam. It comes out of the Shiat tradition solism, right, 755 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,480 and so sadly they've been persecuted by Sonny muscle. So 756 00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,960 this is a group that's been targeted and persecuted by 757 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,239 Sunny Muslims. So he's not like these Sunney I don't 758 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,400 know what to turn. I don't want to use you 759 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,559 anymore because it's from them. 760 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 12: They were persecuted and harassed by the larger Sudney community. 761 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,119 Speaker 3: So I thank God for him because he puts them 762 00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:21,760 in their place philosophically, textually. 763 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,079 Speaker 6: But go ahead, hows on, I'm mute. Do you want 764 00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,920 to talk? All right, we'll move on. If you're not 765 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,159 going to. 766 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 3: Talk, everyone, okay, we're on YouTube, man. 767 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:49,519 Speaker 6: Go Stott, what's up? I'm mute. Stott. You want to talk, 768 00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:49,960 I'm mute. 769 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 2: Man, oh salamlekum. 770 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 3: Can you hear me? 771 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,679 Speaker 2: Mm hm, ok. 772 00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, we can hear you. 773 00:44:59,079 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 2: Man. 774 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 23: To preface, I'm not a Muslim, I have perennials gleanings, 775 00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:10,920 but I would like to ask your opinion on goofy tradition, 776 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:17,159 particularly the doctrine of debt we should or unity of 777 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:23,400 being a sort of atheist metaphysic put for it by I. 778 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 6: Just did a talk. I did a talk on that 779 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,559 the other day. Go ahead, no, no, I just. 780 00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 3: Wanted to say, so people know what he's talking about, 781 00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:34,920 Islamic panantheism. I but go ahead, yeah. Yeah. 782 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,159 Speaker 23: The core idea is that everything that exists is a reflection. 783 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,039 Speaker 3: Of God's essence. 784 00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 6: Right, that's a neo Patonic idea. 785 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 23: Well, it's derived from Neoplatonism. They had a great deal 786 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,440 of influence on the Arabic world at that time. 787 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,079 Speaker 2: Yep. 788 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 3: That's why you should talk to doctor Khadid and Danny 789 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,800 because that's what's his position is. 790 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:02,800 Speaker 6: Right, Okay, yeah, I would critique it by the traditional 791 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,679 critiques of neoplatonism, and many of the Church fathers actually 792 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,039 combated neoplatonism in various forms. So there's quite a few 793 00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:16,960 of those basal critiques that affinaceous critiques it. In fact, 794 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,320 the Cappadocians argue that Neoplatonism is really the root of 795 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,039 most of the chrystological and trinitarian errors. There's a great 796 00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:32,159 essay written by an Orthodox theologian, how Eunomius's position relies 797 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,159 on Neoplatonism. Let mess if I can find it. 798 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,760 Speaker 23: Well, I'm shocked to hear that, because my existing notions 799 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:47,039 of Eastern Orthodoxy were like through you know, Pseudodonysis and 800 00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:52,000 the like, who are greatly influenced by apathetic theology, which 801 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,239 is in turn derived from Platinis and such. 802 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, the fact that there's overlap at times 803 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,320 does not mean that ultimately that theology is derived from 804 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,159 that are based on that. In fact, Basil argues probably 805 00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:11,199 more than any of them, against neoplatonism. I see, Okay, 806 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,719 and the paper I would recommend to you, Let me 807 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:29,280 see if I can find it. Let's see. I think 808 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:36,360 it's called something like Unomius's reliance on Platinus. Let me 809 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,760 see if I can find it. It's a really good 810 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:46,599 paper to make this point. It's got It's written by 811 00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:51,239 a guy with the gigantic Greek, crazy Greek name. Let 812 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,840 me see, it's at Academia dot edu. So let me 813 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:57,639 go over there and search. 814 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:28,760 Speaker 2: H h h, dang it. 815 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 6: What is the name of that paper? Let me think 816 00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:37,199 for a. 817 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 23: Second here, Well, while you're occupied, I don't mean to 818 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:49,039 bombard you with questions, but what do you make of 819 00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:50,760 the traditional school? 820 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 2: I'm sure you're familiar with, say. 821 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 23: Seraph and rose and such, but what do you think 822 00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,360 of that specific branch of perennial philosophy and a shoe 823 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,360 on coomber swelling and the like. 824 00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:05,679 Speaker 6: Yeah, I have a shelf of their works back here 825 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,800 behind me. I had an interest in that in my twenties. 826 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,880 I read a few of their books. But no, I 827 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,400 think Orthodox Christianity is incompatible with with traditionalism printialism, although 828 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,039 I did just do a lecture on it the other day, 829 00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:21,679 by the way, see. 830 00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:51,760 Speaker 8: You know, yes, m. 831 00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 6: Let me look some more and I'll try to find 832 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,800 that paper and link it underneath this. Did you want 833 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:13,639 to say something else, doctor KLi, dang it, that's not it? 834 00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:16,039 Speaker 2: So that was it? 835 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,800 Speaker 6: So that it's in our discord server. I know we 836 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,800 have the paper. I just can't find the public link 837 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,599 to it and I've read it three times. I can't 838 00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:39,760 remember that Greek day's name though. All right, tell you what, 839 00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:42,880 let me look really quick in the discord server in 840 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:56,760 the PDF bank and I can find it. Okay, here 841 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:02,920 we go, here we go. Here it is. The paper 842 00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:07,599 is called Plotinus and Unomius, a parallel theology of three hypostases. 843 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:08,000 That's it. 844 00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:18,840 Speaker 18: I just cited that paper two weeks ago out of coal. 845 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,800 Speaker 17: Yeah, because I was trying to tell them that, okay 846 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,039 and Platinus that you know me and theology is very 847 00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:27,800 similar to us. 848 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,039 Speaker 18: And somebody was like, no, it's not, and I was like, yes, 849 00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:31,440 it is, and then I cited the paper. 850 00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:33,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, here's the paper. I finally found it. If you're 851 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,400 looking for it right there, it is, and it's in 852 00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:39,320 the chat there, and then I'll try to put it 853 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,519 underneath this chat later on. Did you want to say 854 00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:43,800 something else, doctor Koli. 855 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 18: Yeah, just on this dropic of apple Fasis. 856 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,599 Speaker 17: But is it not the case that in Orthodoxy, like 857 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:58,440 your position on the divine essence, like is apple Fasis correct? 858 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,199 Speaker 6: That's why we have the energies doctrine, because in the essence, 859 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,559 we don't know the energies come down to us, as 860 00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:05,519 Basil says. 861 00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,559 Speaker 18: But when when you say God is God essence plus 862 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,679 energies or God is just essence. 863 00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:15,880 Speaker 6: Energies are actions of God. So they're not composed, they're 864 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,960 not composite parts. They're actions that God does or their attributes. 865 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,119 Speaker 18: Sorry, the energies are actions or attributes both. 866 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,360 Speaker 17: Okay, but then you know the son is the like 867 00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:33,599 dacheries and like they'll say openly because Ali says that, oh, 868 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,599 the term allow referras to the essence and the attributes together. 869 00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:41,679 Speaker 18: So for you like the term God, does it only 870 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:42,800 refer to the essence? 871 00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:45,960 Speaker 6: No, it picks out any of those things. God picks 872 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,039 out the word. God can pick out person, it can 873 00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:54,199 pick out essence, or it can pick out energy, attribute operation. 874 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,679 Speaker 18: Does a pickout Does it ever pick out like like 875 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,639 several of these things. It picks them all out but 876 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,719 all at the same time? Or is it sort of 877 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,039 just Sometimes essence sometimes. 878 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,760 Speaker 6: Mean well, I mean depending upon the context or the 879 00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,840 debate that's being had. For example, when pallet Must debates 880 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,360 with the Roman Catholics, it's typically you know, he's talking 881 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,679 about it as an the word God as an energy 882 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,239 or the work because God, if it refers to existence. 883 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,400 The cappa Docians often say as an energy. Uh if 884 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,639 it's picking out the divine essence even though we don't 885 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,880 know it. And then it's picking out the essence, So 886 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,079 it's it just depends on the context. There's no like 887 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,760 one one to one only referring to this idea of 888 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,920 what the word god is. In fact, that's why we're 889 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,559 always pointing out that in scripture it's even a rough 890 00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:46,760 it's it's even used of humans and angels. They're called 891 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:47,559 gods at times. 892 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,920 Speaker 17: In your theology, is the do the deride? Essence is concrete, right, 893 00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:55,480 but it's not just abstract. 894 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:57,119 Speaker 2: Uh. 895 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,920 Speaker 6: Yes, it only exists in the mode of the person's 896 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,239 that have that essence. So it doesn't exist in any 897 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,639 kind of higher abstract platonic idea or form or realm. 898 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,519 So the essence only exists in the mode of the 899 00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:13,119 person of the Father and the son and the spirit. 900 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,960 It doesn't exist like above them. They don't participate in it. 901 00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:20,159 It exists in them. As the word that we use 902 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:26,599 is in hypostatic, in the mode of and we would 903 00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:28,920 say the same thing for example of human nature as 904 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,119 an analogy human nature, it doesn't exist in the abstract 905 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,559 like in a platonic form, it exists in the mode 906 00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:39,599 of each individual person or hypostasis that possesses that human nature. 907 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,400 But we think there is a distinction between nature and person. 908 00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:46,360 Speaker 3: Is a real distinction, Yeah, we. 909 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,440 Speaker 6: Don't think distinctions entail composition or division. 910 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,480 Speaker 18: Nobody's a real distinction or is it just like a 911 00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:54,400 mental distinc No. 912 00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:57,159 Speaker 6: It's a real distinction because for example, we don't believe 913 00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:00,519 you can participate in God's essence, but we believe that 914 00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:03,639 grace is a participation in God's energies. 915 00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:10,199 Speaker 17: And the energies there is attribute and energy just like 916 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,400 two turns for the same Or are some of these 917 00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:14,000 energies that attributes. 918 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,800 Speaker 6: And some of them act well, It depends on Again, 919 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,400 it depends on what the context is. For example, the 920 00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:21,639 action of God creating the world is a unique action 921 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,440 at one point, and so God is not continually creating 922 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:26,320 another world, at least as far as we know of 923 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,679 other things. Like for example, in John seventeen, Jesus says 924 00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:32,800 that he came to give us a share in God's glory. 925 00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:36,039 So we would say God's glory is an uncreated energy 926 00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:38,840 that we really participate in. But it's distinct from the 927 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,039 action of creating the world. 928 00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:47,159 Speaker 18: Okay, so some of these energies are like temporal, No. 929 00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:49,760 Speaker 6: The energy is the energies themselves are not temporal, but 930 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,840 they have a once once, a one point in time reference, 931 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,880 you could say. So, for example, in Genesis, has God 932 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,440 wrested from his works? And so when Palamas has debate 933 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:04,840 with the Latins, the debate ends up hinging on at 934 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,280 one point, what does it mean for God to rest 935 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,000 from creating? Well, Palamus argues that it means that God 936 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,360 didn't have to keep creating. It wasn't an emanation. It 937 00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,960 was a decision that he did by will at one 938 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,880 point at one time. And God can do many things. 939 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,079 He doesn't have to just do one thing at all times. 940 00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:25,559 Speaker 18: Okay, cool, thank you. 941 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 942 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,880 Speaker 6: I mean, if we have an open colloquium or whatever, 943 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,760 I'm happy to you know, answer or explain any of 944 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,079 those kinds of questions. Did you want to come back 945 00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:38,519 and speak. I forget what your name was, rd RJD. 946 00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:42,199 You know what up? 947 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:42,440 Speaker 2: Man? 948 00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:42,840 Speaker 6: Yeah? 949 00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:46,719 Speaker 11: Yeah, I just a quick response to Khalil. 950 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,239 Speaker 5: Can you explain how asking somebody what their position is 951 00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:54,079 is attacking their beliefs? 952 00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:55,280 Speaker 2: Well? 953 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,239 Speaker 6: I think he's saying that you came on to debate, 954 00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,280 and so it's a debate form debate. 955 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,360 Speaker 3: I literally just want to know what you believe. 956 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,800 Speaker 6: Well, but it's listed as a debate, so typically people 957 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,400 that pop in, we assume it's a debate. 958 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:09,079 Speaker 2: Okay. 959 00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:15,039 Speaker 5: I thought that was referring to, like just saying that 960 00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,639 you're going to have a debate to sneako takee. 961 00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:19,679 Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, say I opened this up for 962 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,760 everybody to call it debate typically. 963 00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:27,599 Speaker 5: Okay, So yeah, Khalil, I'm not here to attack anyone's 964 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:33,239 belief I'm here to understand their beliefs, which is exactly 965 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:38,159 why I did not want to defend my view of 966 00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:40,960 Islam because I don't even know if I'm an eschery 967 00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:41,679 or an ethery. 968 00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:44,599 Speaker 11: So how could I defend something that I don't even 969 00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:46,039 have a position on it? 970 00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,960 Speaker 6: Okay, anything else you want to say? 971 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,800 Speaker 2: No, I just yeah, that was it. 972 00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:57,760 Speaker 6: Appreciate it, dude, Tack Blue, what's up? 973 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 2: Man? Hi? 974 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,079 Speaker 3: How are you doing? 975 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:04,280 Speaker 6: What's up? 976 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:04,440 Speaker 21: Man? 977 00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:06,239 Speaker 6: Yeah? Sam can come back if he wants. Two people 978 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,880 in the chat are saying that he left. I mean 979 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,599 I thought he was just busy doing another stream. He 980 00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:10,760 can come back every once, So I don't care. 981 00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:14,880 Speaker 2: I am in a park, so there's gonna be some noise. 982 00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:18,000 Speaker 3: If that don't minds you, You sound good to me, 983 00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:18,480 to go ahead. 984 00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:21,599 Speaker 2: Okay. So my first Christian is. 985 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:25,960 Speaker 3: I don't understand how Jesus fulfills the law. 986 00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:27,840 Speaker 2: What does it mean? 987 00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:31,199 Speaker 6: Well, I mean I would say there's a couple of 988 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,199 senses to what it means. In one sense, it's a 989 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,639 reference to his own divinity, and so by being the 990 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,760 son of God, he can't do evil, He does no wrong. 991 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:46,320 He's a perfect being. And so by being the divine 992 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,679 son of God, every action that he does is virtuous. 993 00:58:48,719 --> 00:58:50,880 Every action that he does is righteous and according to 994 00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:53,599 the law. Because we believe that Jesus gave the law. 995 00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:56,880 We believe that the burning bush in Exodus three, if 996 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,320 you compare that to Exodus twenty three, that's actually Jesus. 997 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,519 We think that he is the second person that God 998 00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:04,679 had present in the burning bush. He even makes this 999 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,280 argument to the Phariseason John five through nine. So that's 1000 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,480 our position on how he's just as a virtue of 1001 00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:14,199 being divine person a kind of living embodiment of the Torah. 1002 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,880 He is the living embodiment of the divine word. He 1003 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,199 is the divine word, and so when he's incarnate or 1004 00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:22,119 when he's often in the Old Testament, he just by 1005 00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:25,320 virtue of his divinity quote, fulfills the law. However, in 1006 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,880 the sense of like the ceremonies that God gave. So 1007 00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:31,880 if you think about in the Torah, when Moses is 1008 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,840 given the ceremonies of how to do the levitical law 1009 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,199 with the temple, the altar, and the priesthood, the sacrifice, 1010 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,480 the bronze, see where they would do the washings, all 1011 00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:45,920 that animal sacrifice stuff, or like the Passover and Exodus, 1012 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,559 those are all fulfilled in the death, burial, and resurrection 1013 00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:52,480 of Christ. So in the sense of fulfilling the levitical 1014 00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:56,480 law in the ceremonies, we think Christ fulfills those by 1015 00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:59,719 his death, uryal resurrection. He's the Pascal Lamb, He's the 1016 01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:06,599 fulfillment of Pentecost, all of those rituals and feast days 1017 01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:09,960 that the Jews had, we believe that that's all pointing 1018 01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:11,760 to what Christ would do. And so a lot of 1019 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:16,039 the New Testament is devoted, for example, to explaining Christ's 1020 01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:19,239 fulfillment of those levitical laws and ceremonies, particularly like the 1021 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,880 whole book of Hebrews is dedicated just to this. Even 1022 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,559 the Sabbath is fulfilled, we think in the rest that 1023 01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:28,719 Christ did when he died. So when he died on 1024 01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:33,480 Good Friday, that's a fulfillment of the Sabbath rest. And 1025 01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:36,760 then he rises to an eighth day resurrection, that's a 1026 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,440 fulfillment of the eternal Sabbath. So in other words, every 1027 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:44,159 one of those levitical ceremonial things, we think Christ for 1028 01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:47,599 the most part fulfilled in his lifetime and in his 1029 01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:50,320 death rown resurrection, and then in the establishment of the Church. 1030 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,519 So that's why we think Old Testament Israel is a 1031 01:00:53,679 --> 01:00:56,920 type of the New Testament Church that exists throughout the world. 1032 01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,840 Speaker 2: But I still don't understand it. 1033 01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:03,039 Speaker 24: So are you saying that because he was perfect and 1034 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,599 he gave the law that in a sense he can choose, uh, 1035 01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:09,679 and it in some way. 1036 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,039 Speaker 6: Well, it's not ended, in the sense that the moral meaning, 1037 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,800 even behind the ceremonial laws, continues on. For example, if 1038 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,280 you read Paul's epistoles, he'll say stuff like, uh, you know, 1039 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,679 when it says not to sew to garments onto the 1040 01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:26,880 sense two patches onto a garment or not to sow 1041 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,400 two seeds in a field. He says, that's a spiritual 1042 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,920 principle that still continues on. So the Old Testament, for example, 1043 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:40,760 unclean animals, those were for us symbolic of vices and 1044 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,719 the demonics. So we avoid the unclean animals in the 1045 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,679 spiritual sense of avoiding the vices. So for us, even 1046 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,760 the ceremonial laws continue on in their spiritual meaning. They're 1047 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,480 just not continued on in their literal sense of everybody 1048 01:01:55,519 --> 01:01:58,400 in the world having to submit to levitical ceremonies. Because 1049 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,920 if you know Judaism, you know that Jews don't believe 1050 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,760 that the law was made for everybody. It's not made 1051 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,679 for the whole world. It's only made for Jews. And yeah, 1052 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,079 so in our view agrees with that, and we say 1053 01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:11,320 that if Judaism was going to spread to the whole world, 1054 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,119 and that's what we think Orthodoxtricianity is, it's the true 1055 01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:17,719 Judaism for the whole world, not rabbinical Judaism distinct, then 1056 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,679 it has to adopt certain things that allow it to 1057 01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:23,119 spread to the whole world. And we think that Christ 1058 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,000 absolutely decided upon that because he has that authority as 1059 01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:30,480 the divine Son of God. And this is partly the 1060 01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:33,639 logic of the reasoning of the Jerusalem Council in Acts 1061 01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:36,639 fifteen is that they realize that if this is going 1062 01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:40,320 to be Judaism for the whole world, then we might 1063 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,559 want to look to a covenant where people were made 1064 01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:48,480 righteous before Abraham or before Moses. How has anyone made 1065 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,320 righteous before Abraham or Moses. Well, let's look to Noah. 1066 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,440 And that's why Acts fifteen specifically goes to the gentile 1067 01:02:56,039 --> 01:02:59,199 Noah to say, if Noah could be righteous before God, 1068 01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:04,159 then we ought not expect anything more for the gentiles 1069 01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:06,760 converting than what was expected of Noah. And that's the 1070 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,000 whole of Acts fifteen. 1071 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,679 Speaker 24: Because just think that it's just all about the law, 1072 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:17,320 and they don't, right, I think before it And my 1073 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:22,239 other question is one argument I've seen that shaped which 1074 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:28,199 man said, is that if Jesus has two like he 1075 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:33,559 has a human part and divine essence when he died, 1076 01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:38,239 where did the human Did the human and the divine separate? 1077 01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:42,400 Speaker 6: Right? So yeah, this is covered in John Damascus Book three. 1078 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,360 If you go all the way down to the last 1079 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,000 part of on the Orthodox Faith, the book three of 1080 01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:48,440 John Damascus, he gives a whole exposition of our position 1081 01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:51,480 on this in a very brief three or four paragraphs. 1082 01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:53,199 I highly recommend it for those who want to just 1083 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,000 read a few paragraphs. But in short, we believe that no, 1084 01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:59,039 the divine person of the Sun was never separated from 1085 01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:01,400 the human nature because he's a divine person, so he's 1086 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,679 he possesses his omniscience as a divine person. He descended 1087 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,840 in the soul with the human soul that he assumed 1088 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,199 into Hades. We believe Hades is a realm of the dead. 1089 01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:15,440 So when Christ descended into Hades as the divine person 1090 01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:18,039 to that human soul that he assumed, the human soul 1091 01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:20,679 is separated from the human body. But Christ is the 1092 01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:24,480 divine person, divine subject, so there's not a human person. 1093 01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:27,079 It's a divine person with the human soul. And he 1094 01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:29,280 went into the realm of the dead to Hades to 1095 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,880 preach the Gospel to the dead and then to raise 1096 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,800 those people in the resurrection. And that's what we think 1097 01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,519 is that's why Peter says that he preached to the 1098 01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:38,639 spirits in Hades. 1099 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:45,519 Speaker 24: And finally, if you don't mind, yeah, it's a cushion 1100 01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:52,440 of both is I think on the website drew for 1101 01:04:52,519 --> 01:04:56,199 Judaism that they explained to ascendence, you are made a 1102 01:04:56,239 --> 01:05:01,079 priest forever by the other of Melchisedek. Right, that's Melchisidic. 1103 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,840 It's just a title of a king. So when you 1104 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,440 say you, like the son of David, are going to 1105 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,480 be a priest priest forever and the order of Melchisidic 1106 01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:14,800 is like you're going to be an administrator by the 1107 01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:16,119 like of a rifle king. 1108 01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:17,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1109 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,519 Speaker 6: I mean, Jews have all kinds of explanations to try 1110 01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:24,920 to get around passages that would make the Messiah prophet, 1111 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,679 priest and king, and particularly with a person of Christ. 1112 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,119 So I don't doubt they have all kinds of ways 1113 01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:34,199 to try to say that the Messiah when he comes, 1114 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:39,480 will be like David and a descendative David, and that 1115 01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:41,519 he won't actually have a priesthood. Well, we think he 1116 01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:44,519 actually has a priesthood because the argument of Paul in 1117 01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:49,119 Hebrew seven about this passage is that Christ's priesthood is 1118 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:55,119 superior to the ironic because Abraham in whose loins was 1119 01:05:55,320 --> 01:06:00,320 his descendant Levi and Aaron, right that he that he 1120 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,800 gave allbeisments to Malchisedek. So Malchisedek is superior. So of 1121 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,159 course a Jew would want to downplay this passage because 1122 01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:12,760 this means that the Ironic priesthood is inferior to the Melchizedekian. 1123 01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:15,360 But the whole argument of Hebrew seven is that christ 1124 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,360 priesthood is superior to the ironic. 1125 01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:22,079 Speaker 24: But in a way, what the Jew will say is 1126 01:06:22,199 --> 01:06:28,960 that those statements are made after like the Jews at 1127 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,760 the time, they didn't have this whole thing about Melchizedeic 1128 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:32,320 and everything. 1129 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,159 Speaker 2: They're going to point to passages. 1130 01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:40,199 Speaker 24: Like when the Peter didn't understand why Jesus had to die. 1131 01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:45,480 They're going to say that the Messiah at this time 1132 01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:48,639 wasn't understood to be a sacrifice. 1133 01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:50,559 Speaker 6: No, but that's not true. That's why the Jews have 1134 01:06:50,679 --> 01:06:54,000 to That's why the Talmudic position is that there's two Messiahs, 1135 01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:57,079 Messiah ben Joseph and Messiah ben David. One of them dies. 1136 01:06:59,159 --> 01:06:59,280 Speaker 11: Uh. 1137 01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:02,360 Speaker 2: Is that the majority statement. 1138 01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:07,360 Speaker 6: It's the Talmudic rabbinical teaching, all right, I mean, I 1139 01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:10,880 mean reform Jews won't believe that, but if they're Orthodox 1140 01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:15,880 or Rabbinic Jews they will, all right. So, yeah, those 1141 01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:21,920 are great questions, great questions. Appreciate that. Shout out to 1142 01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:23,760 John pro what's up man, and then we'll go to 1143 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:33,920 Hamsa next. How you doing, dude, looks like I was 1144 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,320 having a hard time connecting. If you want to pop out, 1145 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:41,559 pop back in, I'll go back to you John. Let's 1146 01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:44,679 see hams up. What's up? 1147 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:52,480 Speaker 3: Hi? 1148 01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:52,679 Speaker 21: Bro? 1149 01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:53,920 Speaker 2: Is my voice clear? 1150 01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:54,400 Speaker 6: Yeah? 1151 01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:56,239 Speaker 2: Uh So. 1152 01:07:57,519 --> 01:08:03,159 Speaker 15: I was watching the sub Chamon's life yesterday and he 1153 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,119 was given analogies about the trilogy, and one of the 1154 01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:10,599 analogies he gave is the car analogy. 1155 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:17,600 Speaker 2: And this analogy is saying that that, for example, the 1156 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,119 trilogy is like a car. 1157 01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:23,079 Speaker 15: A car has parts, and this part the engine, the wheel, 1158 01:08:24,199 --> 01:08:27,239 I don't know, and these parts are like the Son. 1159 01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:32,319 Speaker 2: Jesus and Jesus, the Holy spirits, and the Father. But 1160 01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:33,760 for me, this is a heresy. 1161 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:38,000 Speaker 15: This is a partialism because when you see the car 1162 01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:39,880 has engine and has will and has so on. 1163 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,199 Speaker 6: I understand part. I understand created things are composite. God 1164 01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,840 is not composite. We all believe that. So he's just 1165 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,640 making an analogy between something could be one and many 1166 01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,119 at the same time, just like you believe about the attributes. 1167 01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,960 Speaker 15: Yeah, but the engine is not the car, but Jesus 1168 01:08:56,159 --> 01:09:01,720 is God. So the persons mean the essence in the 1169 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,239 trinity is the nature being God. But the essence in 1170 01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:07,199 the car analogy must be also the car. 1171 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,560 Speaker 2: But the engine is not the car, the wheel is. 1172 01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:10,039 Speaker 8: Not the car. 1173 01:09:11,239 --> 01:09:14,239 Speaker 6: Well, he's just making it right. So the analogy breaks 1174 01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:17,000 down at the point you're talking about. But it's only 1175 01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:20,199 an analogy to one and many, not to parts. 1176 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,760 Speaker 15: I mean, gee, for me, this car analogy is for 1177 01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,560 the for the trinity is flawed. 1178 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,359 Speaker 6: I mean, let me give an example. If it's the 1179 01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:32,439 same principle. Okay, the number three, right, the Arabic number three? 1180 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, turn out, so it's a tree. 1181 01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:37,520 Speaker 6: Okay, is that one or is it three? 1182 01:09:40,039 --> 01:09:42,119 Speaker 2: The essence is being a number. 1183 01:09:42,199 --> 01:09:45,800 Speaker 6: But if you not, my essence is just just just three, 1184 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,520 is it? Is it one thing or three things? 1185 01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:49,720 Speaker 15: Is the one thing? 1186 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,640 Speaker 6: Of course, but it's also three. 1187 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the essence is being a number. But if 1188 01:09:56,399 --> 01:09:57,800 you do, but you cannot, you can. 1189 01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:02,199 Speaker 6: See you're you're getting confused. Your confusing the mataphestic lesson. 1190 01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:07,119 You're confusing the it's a limited analogy that's only referring 1191 01:10:07,279 --> 01:10:10,039 to numerics. It's not talking about essences. 1192 01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,920 Speaker 15: Let's stick with this example. So you said it's three 1193 01:10:14,199 --> 01:10:17,199 one thing. Okay, So if you if we give this 1194 01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:18,960 example as the trilogy. 1195 01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,640 Speaker 2: So the three is like. 1196 01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:24,039 Speaker 6: Three, not a tree. Three. 1197 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,439 Speaker 2: Yes, three, I mean three, the number three, not the 1198 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:28,159 three of course. 1199 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:33,239 Speaker 15: So the number three, if we compare it to the trilogy, 1200 01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:34,279 is the god head. 1201 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,079 Speaker 2: The tree is the god Head. 1202 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,439 Speaker 15: And if we separate the three, we have one one one. 1203 01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:43,359 One is not the tree, but in the trinity, Jesus 1204 01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:43,840 is God. 1205 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:45,359 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 1206 01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:49,920 Speaker 2: So this is also flowed analogy. I don't understand it. 1207 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,079 Speaker 6: Explain to me how it's flowed analogy. I'm listening to you. 1208 01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:56,239 Speaker 2: Okay, what explain it. I'll give you just one minute. 1209 01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,359 Speaker 15: So in your example, we have three, it's three one thing. 1210 01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,000 Speaker 2: Of course, it's the one thing. But what is there 1211 01:11:03,239 --> 01:11:04,079 is the number tree. 1212 01:11:04,119 --> 01:11:06,079 Speaker 6: So this is where you're making a mistake. You're going 1213 01:11:06,119 --> 01:11:10,079 into essences. The only thing that we're saying is is 1214 01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:13,920 an analogy is the numerics nothing to do with essences. Okay. 1215 01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:18,359 It's just pointing out that something can be three and 1216 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,399 one at the same time and it doesn't involve a contradiction. 1217 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,520 That's all we're saying. That's okay. 1218 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,239 Speaker 2: A quick question a quick question. G what are the 1219 01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:29,640 parts of three? Who has one? One? One? Yeah? 1220 01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,319 Speaker 6: No, no, no, you're missing the point the number. Look, 1221 01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,159 I can make the same analogy to attributes. Okay, is 1222 01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:37,359 all of ninety nine parts? 1223 01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:39,920 Speaker 2: These are names? 1224 01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:40,479 Speaker 3: What? 1225 01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,119 Speaker 15: Well, the attribution of being all powerful is not We 1226 01:11:45,239 --> 01:11:46,479 don't say all powerful. 1227 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,479 Speaker 2: This attribution of being all powerful is good. 1228 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:49,720 Speaker 15: No. 1229 01:11:51,039 --> 01:11:53,880 Speaker 6: Wait, so all of his attributes, all all of us 1230 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,920 attributes are Do they possess a saiety? 1231 01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:02,159 Speaker 15: No, that's that's his nature is one means of being good. 1232 01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:05,479 Speaker 6: Okay, I know that, But I'm talking about the attributes. 1233 01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,680 So do the attributes have a dependence relationship on Allah's essence? 1234 01:12:11,359 --> 01:12:14,319 Speaker 2: They are? They are Allah, They are Allah. 1235 01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:18,000 Speaker 15: You cannot say the attribution for being know all knowledgeable 1236 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,600 is good. We don't all say that. But you say 1237 01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,880 Jesus is good. The Holy Spiritch is good. 1238 01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,119 Speaker 3: So the hold on. 1239 01:12:24,279 --> 01:12:26,159 Speaker 6: So wait a minute. So now you're so you're admitting 1240 01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:28,119 that the attributes are dependent. 1241 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:29,800 Speaker 15: I don't listen to anything. 1242 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:30,399 Speaker 2: Let's sick with you. 1243 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,159 Speaker 6: It was that not the argument you just made. 1244 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,920 Speaker 2: No, No, let's stick with your example. It's very easy. 1245 01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,399 Speaker 6: So you don't want to talk about the attributes because 1246 01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:38,720 it's the same problem. You don't see that. 1247 01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:42,720 Speaker 15: No, your example was very easy and simple for all 1248 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:43,560 the people that are here. 1249 01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:44,560 Speaker 2: Okay, let's stick with it. 1250 01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,840 Speaker 6: You see, the example is just talking about something being 1251 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,920 one and many. You don't understand that something could be 1252 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,439 one in many. You know, does all I have many attributes? 1253 01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:53,279 Speaker 2: Just get you one minutes? 1254 01:12:53,319 --> 01:12:54,680 Speaker 3: Can you let me just say so? 1255 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,159 Speaker 6: You won't? You guys are so like emotional You just 1256 01:12:58,239 --> 01:12:59,680 spit out stuff without listenings. 1257 01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:02,760 Speaker 2: Come on, one minute? 1258 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:07,399 Speaker 6: Is all a one in many? Is all one in many? 1259 01:13:08,199 --> 01:13:08,359 Speaker 3: Oh? 1260 01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:14,479 Speaker 2: My god, he's allah when you okay? 1261 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:15,680 Speaker 6: So are they really different? 1262 01:13:17,359 --> 01:13:17,560 Speaker 3: Look? 1263 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,600 Speaker 6: Is there a depend you understanding? This is a debate 1264 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,760 in your own Akida's right? This is there's a dep 1265 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,640 there's a debate. There's not a debate between different aquida's 1266 01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:26,439 about the attributes. 1267 01:13:27,159 --> 01:13:29,119 Speaker 2: So you the one to me? So you just okay, 1268 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:30,680 you speak because. 1269 01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,600 Speaker 6: You're just spitting out stuff without even listening to what 1270 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,039 I'm saying? Is that even a debate? Do they debate 1271 01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:40,680 the dependence relationship? So you want so you want to 1272 01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:41,680 answer these basic questions? 1273 01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:42,000 Speaker 2: What do you know? 1274 01:13:42,039 --> 01:13:46,079 Speaker 6: Are Come on? Do the different akitas debate? Do the 1275 01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:50,359 different Akita's debate the relationship. Why are you saying my name? 1276 01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,760 Every time somebody starts spitting out my name? We know 1277 01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,239 that's the point at which they're losing the whole discussion. 1278 01:13:56,359 --> 01:13:57,680 Speaker 2: I have many many points. 1279 01:13:59,119 --> 01:14:03,479 Speaker 6: Do yours school's debate the relationship between Allah essence and 1280 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,439 his attributes and dependence relationships? 1281 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:06,399 Speaker 2: So he won't. 1282 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,720 Speaker 6: So he won't answer because the car analogy is only 1283 01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,119 talking about the one in the miny? Do you know 1284 01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:12,920 what the one the mini is? Do you know what 1285 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,720 the one the mini is? Agree with the So he 1286 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,760 won't even talk. So this is how silly these people are. 1287 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:24,199 It's like talking to children. They think that an analogy 1288 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,920 has to be one to one correspondence. Like the first 1289 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,119 guy they came on here didn't even know what he 1290 01:14:29,159 --> 01:14:32,800 thought an analogy was unifical predication. They don't understand the 1291 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,479 difference between basic grammar terms. They don't understand. Go ahead, man, 1292 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:36,880 what's up? 1293 01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:37,760 Speaker 2: Umah? 1294 01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:40,439 Speaker 3: Did you there? 1295 01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:40,920 Speaker 6: Yep? 1296 01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:42,039 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1297 01:14:42,119 --> 01:14:44,560 Speaker 3: Let me let me correct these Muslims who can't represent 1298 01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,199 anything anyone says. Now when I say Muslims, I'm talking 1299 01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:48,680 about the suny Muslims. I don't want to put the 1300 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,479 silent undoney. 1301 01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:51,119 Speaker 5: And the same. 1302 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,600 Speaker 6: He's he left, it's all, it's all soon he's in here. 1303 01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. But I just want to clarify everyone, go watch 1304 01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,079 the clip. I never said the carnalogy is the trinity. 1305 01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:01,840 What I said was in context. Let me just explain 1306 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,600 for the people. See, this is why Muslims sinning. Muslims, 1307 01:15:05,039 --> 01:15:08,119 you really make us despise religion because you can't be honest. 1308 01:15:08,359 --> 01:15:09,960 This is why I treat you the way you do. 1309 01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,560 Proverbs twenty six, verse five, answer full according to his folly. 1310 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,079 Let's he become wise in his own mind. 1311 01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:16,720 Speaker 2: So this is why I do it. 1312 01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,000 Speaker 3: But look at the difference with Kinda than Danny. Now, 1313 01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,720 in that analogy, I never said the car is analogus trinity. 1314 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,720 That's a lie I said in Creation. I have the clip, 1315 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,079 it's there on YouTube, and you guys want to lie. 1316 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:34,119 I said, in Creation we see complex unity. It's all around, agreed. 1317 01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,359 Speaker 6: Complex Yeah, we've made I've made that same analogy. I 1318 01:15:36,359 --> 01:15:36,760 agree with it. 1319 01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,800 Speaker 3: Okay, So that's all one of us. That was all 1320 01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:44,359 the analogy was. Like in Creation you see complexity, diversity 1321 01:15:44,359 --> 01:15:48,560 and unity, composite complex unity. If that's true of the 1322 01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:53,800 finite temporal realm, why would we think that God his 1323 01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,439 being would be any less complex. 1324 01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:55,680 Speaker 2: That. 1325 01:15:56,239 --> 01:15:59,439 Speaker 6: That's all I said, right, And that's an analogy which 1326 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,880 we have our you as well, which is just simply that. 1327 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,880 To put this in philosophical terms for those who don't know, 1328 01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,319 this is called the problem of the one in the many. 1329 01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,720 Something can be one and many at the same time. 1330 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:16,000 That doesn't necessarily mean that it's composite. Muslims believe typically 1331 01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:21,159 that there's a dependence relationship between between Allah and his attributes, 1332 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:26,039 and between the attributes and the other attributes. They only 1333 01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:30,039 exist independence upon one another in all his essence. 1334 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,199 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm jake, God bless you. 1335 01:16:33,239 --> 01:16:33,319 Speaker 2: Man. 1336 01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:34,680 Speaker 3: You're more patient than me. I don't know how you 1337 01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,039 handle them, because you see why I lost my hair. 1338 01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,760 I'm looking at I said, I can't handle this. But anyway, 1339 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:40,239 I'm here, brother. 1340 01:16:40,279 --> 01:16:42,199 Speaker 6: If you got any Muslims ring them up, no, there's 1341 01:16:42,199 --> 01:16:43,479 a million of them in here, So let's go. 1342 01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:47,520 Speaker 3: I bet you're gonna show what's up. 1343 01:16:50,199 --> 01:16:50,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, you're here. 1344 01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:53,399 Speaker 3: I don't hear him. 1345 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,920 Speaker 6: He's raising his hand and he's not talking. 1346 01:16:56,159 --> 01:17:02,600 Speaker 3: I'm mute, yep, okay, fantastic. We had some connection issues. 1347 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,640 Speaker 25: That's all right. 1348 01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:06,319 Speaker 2: We're Muslim. 1349 01:17:07,239 --> 01:17:10,119 Speaker 3: We want to let you know that. 1350 01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:13,439 Speaker 2: We believe. 1351 01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:18,319 Speaker 3: The Holy Or is the final testament of God. Okay, 1352 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,239 we know that you're okay, Okay, that's fine. 1353 01:17:22,319 --> 01:17:25,239 Speaker 26: So we believe in the Torah, we believe in the 1354 01:17:25,359 --> 01:17:29,039 in Kiel, the Gospels, we believe in the Bibles. 1355 01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:33,399 Speaker 6: So but but you don't because because the Quran actually 1356 01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:34,760 confirms the prior revelation. 1357 01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,920 Speaker 25: I just want to ask him, trying to say, we 1358 01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,239 have to believe in the prior books. 1359 01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,720 Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question about one second? Let 1360 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,520 me finish my sentence. Let me finish my sentence at least. 1361 01:17:48,279 --> 01:17:49,640 I don't want to answer. They want to preach, but 1362 01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,600 go ahead. No, I don't want to preach. I was 1363 01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:56,159 talking for you. You don't have no idea. The middle 1364 01:17:56,159 --> 01:18:02,439 of speaking, you can ask me question what you believe. 1365 01:18:03,119 --> 01:18:07,520 So what I was saying was, yeah, so you're very rude, 1366 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:13,600 very rude. No no, no, no, my profect. 1367 01:18:15,159 --> 01:18:15,319 Speaker 11: Right. 1368 01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,039 Speaker 3: They want to preach. Okay, I'm not preaching. 1369 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,680 Speaker 6: No, we know your position here, So do you talking? 1370 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,640 Speaker 11: I was talking, but you interrupted me. 1371 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,840 Speaker 3: You're very immoral, That's what I'm gonna say. Anyway, Well, 1372 01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,520 I'll try to don't talk about manners when you follow 1373 01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:32,840 Mohammed because I'll show you his son. 1374 01:18:36,279 --> 01:18:37,760 Speaker 2: But he is the best profet. 1375 01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,479 Speaker 6: Do not do not, do not, do not, do not 1376 01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:40,920 do not. 1377 01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,880 Speaker 3: Do you want want profect? Okay, good, get to your point. 1378 01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:48,760 Do not demonize my profect. My friend it was he 1379 01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,600 thought he was even possessed. He said, no, no, you are. 1380 01:18:52,079 --> 01:18:55,239 You are a very fine that's that's in your tradition. 1381 01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,920 Did you not want to do thought he was even? 1382 01:18:58,319 --> 01:18:59,880 You met that guy so I can talk on it. 1383 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,279 Speaker 6: We don't need a sermon. So if you have an 1384 01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:05,840 argument for how you believe the Torah, which, by the way, 1385 01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:09,399 the Koran says that the Torah is not corrupt, right. 1386 01:19:11,079 --> 01:19:15,640 Speaker 3: Right, I was going to say, okay, anything that I'm 1387 01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:19,560 telling you, yes, I have better than you and your prophet. 1388 01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,279 I'm not talking to you some No, he brought me 1389 01:19:22,399 --> 01:19:22,680 up here. 1390 01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:23,399 Speaker 2: I'm with him. 1391 01:19:23,399 --> 01:19:25,159 Speaker 3: Whether you're like no, no, no, no, I'm talking to 1392 01:19:25,279 --> 01:19:28,079 I'm talking to Jay the host answer me. 1393 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,239 Speaker 6: This is so, this is so ridiculous. They will talk 1394 01:19:31,319 --> 01:19:33,439 to me and they won't talk to you, Like if 1395 01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,600 you're not going to talk to Sam and then don't 1396 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,640 don't even come on. There's no point in talking through 1397 01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,439 another person. Tanji, what's up? 1398 01:19:41,399 --> 01:19:43,279 Speaker 3: You know why jay right? They want to pick it 1399 01:19:43,399 --> 01:19:45,720 up because they know they can't get away with lying 1400 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:47,840 about the Koran and the deeds. 1401 01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,640 Speaker 6: You know the deeds as well too. I'm mute, man, 1402 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:57,840 what's up? Tanji? I agree? Tanji? Un mute? Uh huh, 1403 01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:58,359 what's up? 1404 01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:02,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not Muslim, but I've heard you. 1405 01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,600 Speaker 27: You never got to finish it, but I hear you 1406 01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,600 start of this critique or you ask if the attributes 1407 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:09,439 have a sayety. 1408 01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:12,560 Speaker 6: Right, because it depends on how they're going to answer it, 1409 01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:14,720 because they try to argue that if you think that 1410 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:19,760 there's distinctions, and for example, they'll say, does the sun 1411 01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,279 possess a sayety? If he doesn't possess the power to cause, 1412 01:20:23,399 --> 01:20:26,640 then he's diminished and he's less in their subordination. And 1413 01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,039 then they'll turn around and say that the attributes have 1414 01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:33,000 a dependence relationship upon Allah's essence and upon one another. 1415 01:20:33,119 --> 01:20:35,239 So that's a double standard. That's the whole reason I 1416 01:20:35,359 --> 01:20:37,000 asked them that question. But they never even get to 1417 01:20:37,079 --> 01:20:37,840 the point of answering it. 1418 01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,720 Speaker 2: They don't believe in the absolute devinde simplicity, right. 1419 01:20:42,119 --> 01:20:44,479 Speaker 6: It just depends on which Muslim you're talking to, because 1420 01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,880 Khalil does. But most of the Sonnies will try to 1421 01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,680 argue for some kind of distinction between Allah and his attributes, 1422 01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,920 which is the whole point of why they get stuck 1423 01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:54,760 on this question. That's why I asked it. 1424 01:20:57,119 --> 01:21:00,920 Speaker 27: What do you think like the strongest critique against uh 1425 01:21:01,279 --> 01:21:06,000 like strict monotheism, unitarian God is There's. 1426 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,239 Speaker 6: A lot of different critiques. I mean, if you want 1427 01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:09,239 to first of all, if they claim to be consistent 1428 01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:11,279 with the Bible, they're already shooting themselves in the foot 1429 01:21:11,319 --> 01:21:15,119 because the Bible doesn't teach their generic unitarianism, it teaches trinitarianism. 1430 01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,399 So that's why they have to immediately say once we 1431 01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,680 start going to all these passages of whether the Theophanies 1432 01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,239 and the Trinity throughout the Old Testament. By the way, 1433 01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,800 that's why they immediately say corrupt, but book is corrupt. 1434 01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:28,800 Book is corrupt, and then we point then we point 1435 01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,439 out that their own book does not say the book 1436 01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,960 is corrupt, and then they then they lose their mind. 1437 01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:36,039 So that's that's how every discussion goes. 1438 01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,600 Speaker 27: Do you have a video where you like critique mostly 1439 01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,319 just this unitarian guy. 1440 01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,680 Speaker 3: By the way, to add to what Jay said. You'll 1441 01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,079 be shocked for me to say this. This is why 1442 01:21:48,359 --> 01:21:50,880 if we do set up a discussion what's had it 1443 01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:53,720 and Danny and the other two, You'll be shocked at 1444 01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:58,000 me saying this. The Krawn does not teach pure unitarianism, 1445 01:21:58,319 --> 01:22:02,359 pure forms to heat. The crime actually posits more than 1446 01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:06,960 one deity. This is why I've always challenged Muslims debate 1447 01:22:07,079 --> 01:22:10,119 me on whether the Koran teaches pure monotheism. So that's 1448 01:22:10,199 --> 01:22:13,960 another problem with the Muslim claim. They'll tell you it 1449 01:22:14,039 --> 01:22:16,199 teaches in the term they came up with this towheat 1450 01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:20,880 right to unify absolutely won and yet the chron doesn't 1451 01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,920 teach it. And this is why I've challenged Muslims, says, 1452 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,239 this is your bread and butter. Challenge me, does your Quran? Now, 1453 01:22:27,319 --> 01:22:31,640 not everyone follows the Sunni Adith like Kali and Danny. 1454 01:22:32,079 --> 01:22:34,720 He's not a Sunni. He doesn't really care what Buhati 1455 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,000 Muslim says, So with him, I would stick with the Koran, 1456 01:22:38,399 --> 01:22:40,359 and even from there I would demonstrate the Koran does 1457 01:22:40,399 --> 01:22:44,039 not teach an absolute pure form of unitarianism. 1458 01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:44,680 Speaker 2: Right. 1459 01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,279 Speaker 3: But with the Sunnys it's even worse because they go 1460 01:22:47,319 --> 01:22:49,640 with the churn in the sunnight, and yet they don't 1461 01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,680 take me up on it. Why is that because I'm 1462 01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,119 such a meani? That's why, Jay, because I'm not nice? 1463 01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,039 Speaker 6: Good right. And we should also point out too, as 1464 01:22:58,119 --> 01:23:00,760 I made the point in my open aning statement to 1465 01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:04,880 Daniel Hokikichu in that debate, the Jews for the most 1466 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:09,960 part were not unified in their unitarianism. So Jews were 1467 01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,840 not unitarian. They taught multiple different views. They had a 1468 01:23:14,199 --> 01:23:17,439 quote fluid view of the fact that God believed that, 1469 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,079 they believe that God had multiple powers, multiple hypostasies, and 1470 01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:24,880 modern Rabbis also are admitting this in many cases. So 1471 01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,840 this idea that there's this pure unitarianism that existed in 1472 01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,600 the Torah and in the Injeel, that's all made up. 1473 01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:33,319 That's all blogny. 1474 01:23:35,119 --> 01:23:38,079 Speaker 27: Do you have a stream or a video on YouTube? 1475 01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,920 Were you critique thisly in depth? 1476 01:23:42,399 --> 01:23:44,800 Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, tons of them. I don't know specifically, 1477 01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:47,560 I mean, but I mean we've been just go watch 1478 01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,920 my you know, Trinity the Old Testament. Sam's done, Trinity 1479 01:23:51,079 --> 01:23:52,840 in the Old Testament talks. All of that will get 1480 01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:53,159 into that. 1481 01:23:54,199 --> 01:23:56,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, And also if you want to see a critique 1482 01:23:56,279 --> 01:23:58,359 of what the Crown teaches about unity. If you go 1483 01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,399 to my YouTube channel, put in craw on trinity. I 1484 01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:07,079 actually argue for a form of chronic trinitarianism, which is 1485 01:24:07,159 --> 01:24:10,680 a counterfeit, but nonetheless it's there, so you can do them. 1486 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,840 Look at That's why I'm asking Wilims here, refute me, 1487 01:24:13,319 --> 01:24:16,920 Prove I'm lying, Prove that I'm misinterpreting the Crown. Come, 1488 01:24:17,039 --> 01:24:20,279 it's here, book, bread and butter, to heat. Let's see 1489 01:24:20,319 --> 01:24:21,760 if someone will take us up on the challenge. 1490 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:33,439 Speaker 6: Go ahead, Hamza, what's up, Hamsa? I'm trying to add you. 1491 01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,319 Do you want to talk or not? You're the one 1492 01:24:37,399 --> 01:24:42,039 critiquing Sam's car analogy, so we're at. 1493 01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:44,439 Speaker 2: It. 1494 01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:45,479 Speaker 6: Won't let me add him? 1495 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:50,239 Speaker 3: So that's good. Now. I wonder if any because I 1496 01:24:50,279 --> 01:24:54,119 have I want them to address their so called to heat. 1497 01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:57,920 Let's see if anyone will do it. Let's see anyone. 1498 01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,399 Speaker 2: Else he left. 1499 01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,479 Speaker 6: He won't do it. Wonderful, wonder why you left? 1500 01:25:04,279 --> 01:25:08,600 Speaker 3: I wonder, Beauty Jay, I'm not as sharp dressed as 1501 01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:09,600 you and nice as you. 1502 01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,880 Speaker 6: Jail, what's up? 1503 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:14,720 Speaker 2: Hey? 1504 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,600 Speaker 3: I was real I was trying to ask about right now. 1505 01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:24,159 Speaker 26: I'm more like in between of agnostic and trying to 1506 01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:26,800 find my way into Christianity. But I came across your 1507 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,319 channelent scene like your orthodox Christian came across Sam as 1508 01:25:30,399 --> 01:25:31,439 well independently. 1509 01:25:32,039 --> 01:25:32,279 Speaker 2: Muh. 1510 01:25:33,319 --> 01:25:36,439 Speaker 26: I was being to ask like based off of because 1511 01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,199 I had to discussed with my uncle because he's an 1512 01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:43,479 ordained pastor at a Baptist church about solo and scriptur. 1513 01:25:44,279 --> 01:25:45,319 Speaker 3: Doct and. 1514 01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,439 Speaker 26: How do you how could I like conveyed, It's like 1515 01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:54,640 not really because I kind of came across that it 1516 01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:55,800 wasn't really making sense. 1517 01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,039 Speaker 3: But I don't know how to explain how those doctrines 1518 01:25:58,039 --> 01:26:01,880 don't make sense. He said, there's no Protestant thinking about 1519 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:02,520 this doctrine. 1520 01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:07,359 Speaker 6: Well, go watch my debate with uh Dale the Protestants, 1521 01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,720 Me and doctor Bo Branson against Dale and his Protestant buddy. 1522 01:26:11,399 --> 01:26:13,760 That whole debate will answer a lot of those questions 1523 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:18,520 if you're looking for a sol scripture of debate. Let's see, 1524 01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:19,800 do we have any Muslims that want to come on 1525 01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:20,199 the debate? 1526 01:26:21,079 --> 01:26:24,760 Speaker 3: By the way, since this is Jay's channel and he 1527 01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,560 wants engage a variet of issues, I want to engage 1528 01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,680 the Muslims. So Muslims come up and challenge us. 1529 01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:33,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, we're going to get first place to Muslims exactly. 1530 01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:33,840 Speaker 2: Yes. 1531 01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. And then when he wants to continue to discuss 1532 01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:40,000 with Catholics Protestants, God bless him, you know. But with me, 1533 01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:42,560 I want to stick the Muslims. The reason why is 1534 01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,319 because I don't want to add any bad blood between 1535 01:26:44,359 --> 01:26:47,600 Orthodox and Catholic. I love them both. So I'm Jay's 1536 01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:48,279 favorite heretic. 1537 01:26:50,279 --> 01:26:51,279 Speaker 6: I haven't called you heretic. 1538 01:26:52,399 --> 01:26:56,279 Speaker 3: I called myself that. Sorry, someone else calls me that. 1539 01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,880 Speaker 6: Jayl Vanni. Do you want to talk? We're asking for 1540 01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:00,840 Muslims who want to come to go ahead. 1541 01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,680 Speaker 8: Hey, First of all, let me just say that I 1542 01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:11,079 am very impressed. I was brought up as a Pentacles. 1543 01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,079 I grew up and then it started Bronx New York, 1544 01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:18,920 and I just wanted to ask one simple question. 1545 01:27:20,039 --> 01:27:22,359 Speaker 3: I watched one of your videos earlier. 1546 01:27:22,079 --> 01:27:25,199 Speaker 2: Today when you said that Jesus. 1547 01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,520 Speaker 6: Can me or Sam Sam. 1548 01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:32,000 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you said that Jesus can via the seed 1549 01:27:32,079 --> 01:27:32,720 of David. 1550 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:39,560 Speaker 14: Okay, but hold on, and then I are telling me 1551 01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,760 hold on, yeah please. 1552 01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:46,960 Speaker 3: So I know that Jesus came to the Virgin Mary 1553 01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,600 via the Holy Spirit. So do you want to answer 1554 01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,800 you now? So in Romans, one three, when Paul tells 1555 01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,760 you Jesus of the seed of David according to the 1556 01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:02,600 flesh Romans one three, two Timothy two eight, where Paul 1557 01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,479 says that Jesus is of the seed of David according 1558 01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:09,840 to my Gospel two Timothy two eight, Romans one to three, 1559 01:28:10,359 --> 01:28:13,680 or in Revelation twenty two sixteen, where Jesus says, I 1560 01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,399 am the root and offspring of David. Do you want 1561 01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:18,119 me to go on and show you that the Bible 1562 01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:20,920 says he's of the seed of David. Let me repeat 1563 01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,239 the verses again for you Romans one to three. Christ 1564 01:28:25,119 --> 01:28:28,960 the seed of David according to the flesh tewod Timothy two, 1565 01:28:29,079 --> 01:28:32,520 verse eight, that Jesus the seed of David according to 1566 01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:36,880 My Gospel Revelation twenty two sixteen, Jesus speaking, I am 1567 01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:40,800 the root and offspring of David. And then in Acts two, 1568 01:28:41,399 --> 01:28:44,479 I hope you're listening to the verses twenty four to 1569 01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:48,560 thirty two. We are told there, specifically in Acts two thirty, 1570 01:28:49,279 --> 01:28:52,119 that God had shown David that from his loins, from 1571 01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:55,520 his physical lineage, he would raise up the Christ. So 1572 01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,079 the Bible says he's of the seed of David. So 1573 01:28:58,119 --> 01:28:59,079 where's the problem. 1574 01:29:00,319 --> 01:29:01,800 Speaker 6: Probably that the. 1575 01:29:04,119 --> 01:29:04,520 Speaker 3: Good to know? 1576 01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:08,439 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, the Bible says that he can. 1577 01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,279 Speaker 3: He admits, Yeah, even says that you're that Jay. He's 1578 01:29:11,279 --> 01:29:12,079 got a problem with the Bible. 1579 01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:17,800 Speaker 6: He goes, Yeah, I mean the Dividic Covenant right requires 1580 01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,319 that the Messiah by of the seat of David two 1581 01:29:20,399 --> 01:29:21,880 Samuel seven. So what are you talking about? 1582 01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:27,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he didn't come through the via the Holy Spirit? 1583 01:29:28,039 --> 01:29:30,239 Who said he didn't? He did? Yeah? 1584 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:34,840 Speaker 3: Who said he didn't? Think a little deeply? You think 1585 01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:36,760 that Jesus can only be the seat of David from 1586 01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:37,800 a man, not from his mother. 1587 01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,000 Speaker 6: His human nature is from Mary. So that's how. 1588 01:29:42,359 --> 01:29:42,680 Speaker 3: All right? 1589 01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:43,720 Speaker 6: That in my case? 1590 01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:44,279 Speaker 3: Thank you. 1591 01:29:46,119 --> 01:29:50,960 Speaker 6: Rest your case by admitting our point. Okay, good job. R. 1592 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:51,239 Speaker 2: D J. 1593 01:29:51,399 --> 01:29:53,720 Speaker 6: Wants to come back. What's up, man? You gotta argument 1594 01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:54,119 this time? 1595 01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:56,880 Speaker 3: I don't know he is? I don't remember? 1596 01:29:58,760 --> 01:29:58,960 Speaker 24: Yeah? 1597 01:29:59,239 --> 01:30:00,479 Speaker 3: Could I can I one on one? 1598 01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:01,600 Speaker 2: Sam? Real quick? Sure? 1599 01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:03,479 Speaker 3: If you don't want to beat me up? 1600 01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:03,880 Speaker 2: What is it? 1601 01:30:04,039 --> 01:30:05,399 Speaker 3: I don't know who is it? Was he here earlier? 1602 01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:05,720 Speaker 6: Yeah? 1603 01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:10,199 Speaker 13: Yeah? So Sam, is it true that Yahweh ordered an 1604 01:30:10,399 --> 01:30:12,159 army to murder babies? 1605 01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,000 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's so true that Allah and chapter two, 1606 01:30:15,239 --> 01:30:18,720 verse two forty six fifty and chapter five of your 1607 01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:23,000 front twenty twenty six a law order that Musa and 1608 01:30:23,239 --> 01:30:27,279 he said slaughter babies. It's also true. Show me, show me, 1609 01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:33,520 show me. Read the verse. Read the verse. Read stop parking, 1610 01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:38,760 take it easy, five twenty to twenty six. There your 1611 01:30:39,079 --> 01:30:42,640 law set that told Musa to tell the Israelites to 1612 01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,159 enter into the Promised Land Canaan. But they were afraid 1613 01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:49,960 because of the giants. That means your Allah confirms he 1614 01:30:50,199 --> 01:30:54,520 said Joshua into the land, the slaughter cattle and babies. 1615 01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:56,880 Where does it where does it say that in the 1616 01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,800 verse to murder babies? Okay? So where does it say 1617 01:31:00,079 --> 01:31:04,159 in the Kuran five six, that's that war that was 1618 01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:08,159 carried out against the Amlakites. What's from Allah? Does it 1619 01:31:08,199 --> 01:31:08,600 say it there? 1620 01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:15,119 Speaker 13: So you're you're you're changing the topic from the world discussion. 1621 01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:17,600 Speaker 6: No, he brought up. They brought up the very thing 1622 01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:19,399 from your book. Dude, I got it on the screen. 1623 01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,520 Speaker 3: He's okay, read read the verse and let me know 1624 01:31:24,079 --> 01:31:25,319 you want to murder some. 1625 01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,000 Speaker 13: Babies in that verse because he is the murder of 1626 01:31:28,079 --> 01:31:29,399 babies in that verse, you guys. 1627 01:31:29,279 --> 01:31:32,239 Speaker 3: Or know the context is showed me, show me show 1628 01:31:32,279 --> 01:31:33,239 me the word babies. 1629 01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,119 Speaker 6: Okay, so this here we go with the word expectation, 1630 01:31:36,319 --> 01:31:38,159 which is not even you don't even hold to that. 1631 01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:41,359 Speaker 3: Okay, well still, look, let me ask you another thing, 1632 01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:45,720 exactly exactly way your Michael, y'all, what instantly said to 1633 01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:49,319 murder being Allah flooded the people of Noah? Did he 1634 01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:56,560 drown babies? That's God doing that, not in or drown babies. 1635 01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,479 Speaker 6: Oh that's God doing it, not an army doing it. Okay, yeah, 1636 01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,000 good art, Get on another question, Yeah exactly, that's not 1637 01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:03,640 That's how I see you, guys. 1638 01:32:04,319 --> 01:32:11,920 Speaker 3: Let me ask you another questions when answer he murder babies? 1639 01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:16,439 Yes or no? Are there are there baby? When Allah 1640 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:21,800 pelted Sodom and go mora with in the word kill 1641 01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:25,760 babies in the verse that you quoted, Are there babies? 1642 01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:26,239 Speaker 2: Yes or no? 1643 01:32:26,319 --> 01:32:28,880 Speaker 3: I want to see if you're honest, Sam, chapter Live 1644 01:32:31,079 --> 01:32:33,000 Christianity will teach you to lie. 1645 01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:37,319 Speaker 6: You understand that the verse is about the death of babies. 1646 01:32:37,319 --> 01:32:40,840 You don't understand that so an army is ordered to 1647 01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,840 murder babies in that your own, your own God drowned 1648 01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:46,159 babies in the flood. 1649 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:50,319 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's God doing it. That's okay. 1650 01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:53,039 Speaker 6: Exactly. So what's the difference. 1651 01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,800 Speaker 13: Yeah, there's a there's a difference, and it's what forcing 1652 01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:58,760 another human to murder babies? 1653 01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:02,800 Speaker 3: That's that's ford to decide, not humans. Notice he said 1654 01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:04,359 the God decided, So Allah. 1655 01:33:04,199 --> 01:33:08,600 Speaker 13: Decided that Mussa, he did not decide to murder babies. 1656 01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:13,439 Speaker 3: That's yahweh Allah, you're Satan. 1657 01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,239 Speaker 13: Yeah, Where where's the word babies in the burden? 1658 01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:18,039 Speaker 6: This is Muslim? 1659 01:33:18,359 --> 01:33:19,920 Speaker 2: There sam. 1660 01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:27,439 Speaker 3: The god that ordering an army to murder is where 1661 01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:31,039 is the word law chafon mama? Chathon ordered Musa to 1662 01:33:31,159 --> 01:33:33,640 enter the promised then to kill them. It doesn't say 1663 01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,800 don't kill babies. Where does the verse say that, don't 1664 01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:36,479 shift the burden? 1665 01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,479 Speaker 6: Well, he's coming. They always do this. They come up 1666 01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,359 with these arbitrary standards, and they say, well, but the 1667 01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,039 verse doesn't say this word. Where's trinity in the Bible? 1668 01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:46,800 Where's in the Bible? 1669 01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:49,800 Speaker 3: See that's the thing. This is why they want to 1670 01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,560 talk to you about me, because I know these arguments 1671 01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:53,840 and turn against them. But you guys heard him admit 1672 01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:57,399 that his Allah was the one who drawn babies at 1673 01:33:57,399 --> 01:33:59,680 the time of No, that's okay. If my Olah murders 1674 01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:01,159 baby as long as humans. 1675 01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:01,159 Speaker 2: Don't do it. 1676 01:34:01,239 --> 01:34:04,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's that silly. Well, this is the same point 1677 01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:08,039 when I asked Azra Rashid, he said that women's private 1678 01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:10,880 parts are nasty and God could never be near them. 1679 01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:12,119 And I said, well, who created them? 1680 01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:14,079 Speaker 17: You know what you do it? 1681 01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:16,600 Speaker 3: Next time, Jay, you know what you do? What when 1682 01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,279 they say that about the private part? Says this is 1683 01:34:19,399 --> 01:34:22,840 chapter sixty six, verse twelve. Now the Muslims are ashamed 1684 01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:24,279 of this translation, but I'm going to give you a 1685 01:34:24,359 --> 01:34:26,920 translation from a Muslim. Well, I don't know I can share. 1686 01:34:27,119 --> 01:34:29,840 I'll send it to you on Skype. It says about 1687 01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:33,520 Mary Mediam vint Imaran. Now, guys, this is not the 1688 01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,920 real Mary, so don't be offended. This is not the 1689 01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:41,439 real Mary. It says she guarded senate for Jaha. Ask 1690 01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:46,199 any Arabic reading Christian, the word fuage means private part. 1691 01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,840 She guarded her private part and we blew into her 1692 01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,680 private parts. So Allah loves to blow into women's private parts. 1693 01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:58,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, but and I mean this is there's multiple examples. 1694 01:34:58,279 --> 01:35:00,960 I've got it pulled up on the screen. It's making 1695 01:35:01,039 --> 01:35:03,600 your point there. I agree. But what I'm saying is 1696 01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,560 that I mean, if if God creates these things, like, 1697 01:35:07,359 --> 01:35:10,800 obviously they can't be inherently unclean. That's kind of silly exactly. 1698 01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:11,760 Speaker 3: But that's my point. 1699 01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:12,000 Speaker 2: Jay. 1700 01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:15,119 Speaker 3: If they have a problem with God becoming human and 1701 01:35:15,239 --> 01:35:17,680 coming out of the holy concent crated woman, a blessed virgin, 1702 01:35:18,079 --> 01:35:20,359 then that means they must have a problem with their 1703 01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:22,199 God blowing into a woman's private. 1704 01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:26,479 Speaker 6: Thing exactly, the JJ blower. And it's on the screen, 1705 01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,159 by the way. Yep, So here we have another chrome. 1706 01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:31,680 What's up there? 1707 01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:31,920 Speaker 2: We go? 1708 01:35:32,319 --> 01:35:38,560 Speaker 6: I'm mute, Chrome, you have to unmute to speak. I 1709 01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:39,800 wasn't expecting ego sistem. 1710 01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:44,079 Speaker 9: I was listening to your Fabian and Milner conspiracy video 1711 01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:44,800 the second part. 1712 01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:49,760 Speaker 2: Yes, really very interesting question, not religious? 1713 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:50,479 Speaker 3: How old? 1714 01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:54,359 Speaker 2: Like when was the book that you're referencing with all 1715 01:35:54,399 --> 01:35:58,199 its truths? What was before that was? Like? When was 1716 01:35:58,239 --> 01:35:58,640 that made? 1717 01:35:59,359 --> 01:36:00,319 Speaker 6: What are you talking about? 1718 01:36:01,319 --> 01:36:03,920 Speaker 2: Like, so you guys are referencing sorry this. 1719 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,760 Speaker 6: Parble do so I'm not trying to be like that 1720 01:36:07,039 --> 01:36:09,039 is this on the topic. We're not talking about conspiracy 1721 01:36:09,039 --> 01:36:09,560 stuff today. 1722 01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I'm just saying that. That's the kind 1723 01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:14,439 of first full video of yours I watched. 1724 01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:18,319 Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, yeah, I talked about Islam being a tool 1725 01:36:18,399 --> 01:36:19,880 in the UK and the U. What about it? 1726 01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,119 Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, I'm not that's not I wasn't making to 1727 01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:24,159 jump into it in that way. 1728 01:36:25,159 --> 01:36:28,760 Speaker 2: I'm just saying I don't follow any these books. I 1729 01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:30,800 haven't read any of them. I don't really know anything. 1730 01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:32,319 Speaker 6: Okay, So what's the question. 1731 01:36:34,119 --> 01:36:36,680 Speaker 2: When the book? Is there a book that you follow 1732 01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:40,079 that you think has like the master information? 1733 01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,239 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know there's any one book that 1734 01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:46,119 has master information. I mean I listed many books. The 1735 01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:49,399 book that you're talking about is this book Milner Fabian 1736 01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:52,199 Conspiracy by Ratio, and that he's basing a lot of 1737 01:36:52,239 --> 01:36:54,479 his information on the book Tragian Hope, which is a 1738 01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,840 gigantic geopolitical text that I've lectured through. So you may 1739 01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:01,039 be asking about Tragian Hope. MKG, what's up? 1740 01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:03,800 Speaker 3: Muslims come up, guys? 1741 01:37:04,079 --> 01:37:07,279 Speaker 6: Come on, yeah, I mean, there's one hundred and thirteen 1742 01:37:07,359 --> 01:37:11,279 fourteen people here. We got another nine hundred online. So 1743 01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:13,039 where's all the Muslims at. 1744 01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:15,720 Speaker 3: I happened too, I bought a nine hundred on mind. 1745 01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:17,760 Speaker 6: Okay, And Muslims come on in here. You got here's 1746 01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,039 the link to the stream to the spaces. 1747 01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:23,319 Speaker 3: You're not going to get this offen. This brother is 1748 01:37:23,399 --> 01:37:25,399 busy and I'm busy for me to be here. Come on, 1749 01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:30,800 Muslims moving my place? Come on? Ye go ahead, Yeah, 1750 01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:31,640 not a Muslim. 1751 01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:37,279 Speaker 16: But regarding the huge job issue, I think that what's 1752 01:37:37,399 --> 01:37:41,279 happening here, it's pretty funny. They know that they don't 1753 01:37:41,279 --> 01:37:44,079 want to do anything that's non They want to basically 1754 01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:47,239 throw the Salafies at you and just put you away 1755 01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,119 like they don't want to deal with you guys, because 1756 01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:55,600 it's just it's so frustrating to see what's happening. I 1757 01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,640 think Sam the snow offense to you, but I don't 1758 01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:00,479 think he. 1759 01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:02,039 Speaker 3: Y'all will do it if you're there. 1760 01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:05,840 Speaker 6: I think Jaya, he's already, he's already declined. 1761 01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,640 Speaker 3: What do you mean? Yeah, no, I think Myron can 1762 01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:13,439 get him to come. But it's you, young man. This 1763 01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:17,560 is recorded. Actually we haven't recorded. Uh Mohammed jab said 1764 01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:20,359 he'll only debate me if I agreed to fight him 1765 01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:25,119 in a mixed martial arts No, I'm not lying. We've 1766 01:38:25,239 --> 01:38:28,279 got to record it. He goes, he'll only debate me 1767 01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:31,760 if I agree to fight him in a professional well 1768 01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,640 not professional, he's amateur. But in a mixed martial arts service. 1769 01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:38,079 So I said, Okay, tell you what, here, three debates. 1770 01:38:39,039 --> 01:38:41,720 We'll do the three debates, and I promise you after 1771 01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,520 the debates, I'll train to knock your teeth out in 1772 01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:48,439 a MMA contest. Because he thinks this, hears me, he goes, no, 1773 01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,319 We're going to do the fight first, then the debates. 1774 01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:53,640 I'm not lying, Jay, we have recorded. 1775 01:38:53,399 --> 01:38:54,359 Speaker 6: I believe. 1776 01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,359 Speaker 16: Yeah, there's a lot of lines going on here. The 1777 01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:59,359 reason I brought that up, I know you rejected it. 1778 01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:02,560 But this thing is evolving because people are pushing back. 1779 01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,319 They don't want Jake on Myron's being very attentive to 1780 01:39:05,399 --> 01:39:08,199 this because he's very attentive on Twitter or ex whatever. 1781 01:39:09,319 --> 01:39:12,159 So this thing is evolving. Nothing's fixed. Anything could change, 1782 01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:16,520 that's my belief anyway, So the two v two could 1783 01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,079 turn into a one v one. It could be Daniel, 1784 01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:21,159 it could switch, that's my opinion. 1785 01:39:21,239 --> 01:39:22,840 Speaker 6: Well, I'm not going to have the same debate one 1786 01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,479 on one with Daniel that I've already had one. 1787 01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,880 Speaker 3: I'll do that. I want him, okay, But one thing, 1788 01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,840 why would Muslims not want Jay Dyer, who has become 1789 01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:39,760 known as an orthodoxygitarian philosopher, extraordinary and me known for 1790 01:39:41,079 --> 01:39:42,880 my knowledge of Ala. I'm not trying to boast and 1791 01:39:43,039 --> 01:39:46,920 take us and then squash us in order to vindicate us. 1792 01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:48,680 Speaker 2: Not because you. 1793 01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:52,079 Speaker 16: Guys are on the offensive. Every other Christian debate, there's 1794 01:39:52,079 --> 01:39:57,159 always the defensive. It's always defending the Trinity, defending you know, Christianity, 1795 01:39:57,239 --> 01:40:00,760 defending what's in the Old Testament. It's never offensive, it's 1796 01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:03,840 never is there any continuity with the. 1797 01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:07,479 Speaker 3: Right you saw when they attacked the Old Testament. I 1798 01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,640 just go to the crowd to show that, according to Krawn, 1799 01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:12,000 all ordered these wars in the Old Testament. 1800 01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:17,039 Speaker 16: Yeah, so they're not used to this, and I think 1801 01:40:17,079 --> 01:40:19,800 it's just a demeanor thing. They want the more traditional 1802 01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:21,000 and that's why when. 1803 01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,439 Speaker 3: You watch like Jay and Shabi Ali. 1804 01:40:24,039 --> 01:40:27,439 Speaker 16: Shaver Ali is in this very you know two five 1805 01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:30,640 kind of demeanor of like oh, cordial back and forth 1806 01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,600 and Jays just hitting him with everything. Is like Jay Jay, 1807 01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:37,239 if you if you, if you don't mind that, please 1808 01:40:37,359 --> 01:40:40,560 just wait, I'm going you know, like he's just stammering, 1809 01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:42,920 he can't handle it. I think that's part of it. 1810 01:40:43,239 --> 01:40:46,640 And what makes me really mad is that Mohammed head job. 1811 01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,319 That's his style. That's what he did to David Wood. 1812 01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:54,199 He was filibustering and dish galloping on that stage. I 1813 01:40:54,199 --> 01:40:55,199 don't know how many years ago. 1814 01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,119 Speaker 3: See, this is why might like he could give it, 1815 01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:00,119 but he can't take it. This is very short. This 1816 01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:03,239 is why my brother, I know their mindset and I'm 1817 01:41:03,239 --> 01:41:05,680 willing to stoop in the mud and stuff them in 1818 01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:08,560 their mud because I'm willing to go there and treat 1819 01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:09,279 them accordingly. 1820 01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:09,760 Speaker 2: Right. 1821 01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:11,399 Speaker 3: So this is probably why he doesn't want to be 1822 01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:13,319 because he knows he won't get away with rhetoric with me, 1823 01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:15,439 Sam and Jay. 1824 01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,800 Speaker 16: I don't know how close here are with James, but 1825 01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:21,840 I'm based on the video that Daniel put out. 1826 01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:26,479 Speaker 3: It seemed pretty straightforward. So James lying like, yes, brother, 1827 01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:29,920 what straightforward? He said that he changed the dates like 1828 01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:35,560 if you did you watch, my brother, You're gonna make 1829 01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:39,279 me want to hang myself with my shoes. Did you watch? 1830 01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:43,920 When I published the email on my YouTube channel comnic 1831 01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:47,399 post because James reached out to me and I said, 1832 01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:49,800 here are the four topics. He came back and said 1833 01:41:50,079 --> 01:41:54,119 Daniel Hakikachu accepted. I go great, I'm ready. Then he 1834 01:41:54,199 --> 01:41:56,800 comes back and tells me here's what Danny wants to debate. 1835 01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:58,800 So he confused me. I said, wait, I thought you 1836 01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:03,319 said he accepted these four debates. No, he wants to 1837 01:42:03,359 --> 01:42:06,159 debate these three with those three. And I said, now, James, 1838 01:42:06,199 --> 01:42:08,640 and the emails are there, dude, I got the receipts. 1839 01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,680 I said, I want to understand, because here's where I 1840 01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:12,359 don't understand. 1841 01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:13,319 Speaker 2: And I said it to Jay. 1842 01:42:13,399 --> 01:42:15,199 Speaker 3: So I'm going to waste my time and breath again 1843 01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:18,039 on this coward because now he can call out my bluff. 1844 01:42:18,239 --> 01:42:20,760 I said, Daniel, let's do the debates. Now, who's running? 1845 01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:24,479 I said, debate me? Muhammads do the Bible? Why do 1846 01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:27,399 I do that? See what I did to that Muslim. 1847 01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:30,359 If I show them that Muhammad confirmed the Bible, they 1848 01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:32,960 can't attack the Bible anymore because they're going to bury 1849 01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:36,119 their profit. But if they agree with Muhammad the Bible 1850 01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:39,239 is not corrupted, then that still buries Mohammad because he 1851 01:42:39,359 --> 01:42:41,039 contradicts the Bible down what they do. 1852 01:42:41,319 --> 01:42:43,239 Speaker 16: I just want to make one last point and that 1853 01:42:43,279 --> 01:42:44,239 I'll get out of your ears. 1854 01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:48,680 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I know, But. 1855 01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:52,640 Speaker 16: One thing I really want to emphasize here is that 1856 01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:56,279 I feel there's a momentum. There's a big snowball happening here, 1857 01:42:56,359 --> 01:42:57,600 that's continuously rolling. 1858 01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,640 Speaker 3: I don't want us to lose this, That's what I'm saying. 1859 01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:03,159 Whether whether who pulls out pulls in. 1860 01:43:03,319 --> 01:43:06,439 Speaker 6: Doesn't matter, we've already said. 1861 01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:10,279 Speaker 3: But I think that's very clear that I think and 1862 01:43:10,359 --> 01:43:11,680 me as we speak, we appreciate you. 1863 01:43:13,159 --> 01:43:14,920 Speaker 6: We've already agreed to whoever we don't. 1864 01:43:17,079 --> 01:43:20,119 Speaker 16: So basically, I'm saying that for the last I've seen 1865 01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:23,479 this the last five seven months, people are super chatting, 1866 01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:26,199 fresh and fit people are super super chatting sneaker. 1867 01:43:27,279 --> 01:43:29,640 Speaker 3: Why aren't you having jay On? Why actually having sam On? 1868 01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:30,600 Why actually having jay On? 1869 01:43:31,079 --> 01:43:34,000 Speaker 16: When they're ignoring, they're acting like they're they're not reading 1870 01:43:34,079 --> 01:43:34,600 these things. 1871 01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:35,680 Speaker 3: It's very strange. 1872 01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:40,000 Speaker 16: So I'm just saying that the people are wanting this, 1873 01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:42,760 and I just even if can I give you because you. 1874 01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:45,039 Speaker 3: Seem like really hurt and can I come and hug you? 1875 01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,920 Speaker 16: I mean, I want to see this, I really want 1876 01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,319 to see this, and I don't want don't want this. 1877 01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,079 Speaker 3: Can I get in a word before you? I mean, 1878 01:43:55,079 --> 01:43:57,760 you coming off to so you deserve it because you 1879 01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:01,600 keep wanting can I know on your side? But okay, okayorry, okay, 1880 01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:03,560 why don't you hit the door and make sure it's 1881 01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:04,600 it's you on the way out. 1882 01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:09,880 Speaker 6: All right, we have I think we have a Muslim here. Uh, 1883 01:44:10,119 --> 01:44:10,760 let's see. 1884 01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:14,359 Speaker 3: If you know that guy's address. I want to go 1885 01:44:14,399 --> 01:44:16,680 give him a little hug and maybe buddy bike. 1886 01:44:17,399 --> 01:44:22,680 Speaker 6: Sounded like you want to, Zach, Zach Riah, what's up? 1887 01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:22,880 Speaker 2: Man? 1888 01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:26,720 Speaker 6: We had a Muslim? He dropped off Muslims if you 1889 01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:27,439 like to come on, and. 1890 01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:31,560 Speaker 3: Uh, Jay's got other topics he wants to get to, 1891 01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:33,399 so come almost ms put me in by place so 1892 01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:35,880 I can leave him to his sessions. 1893 01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:37,319 Speaker 6: Zach Ryan, what's up? 1894 01:44:38,199 --> 01:44:41,520 Speaker 28: Yes, sir, I just want to briefly say Sam schmou 1895 01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:45,479 and I just heard about you today and hear that 1896 01:44:46,119 --> 01:44:50,159 and uh yeah no, I I mean we need more 1897 01:44:50,199 --> 01:44:54,119 of you kicking Muslims asses because they really can't seem 1898 01:44:54,199 --> 01:44:58,600 to handle how articulate you are. And and just there 1899 01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:02,920 is not enough content and out there where articulate Christians 1900 01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:06,960 are refuting Islam. So I'm going to get out of here, 1901 01:45:07,039 --> 01:45:09,359 but I just want to say you remember, I want 1902 01:45:09,399 --> 01:45:12,079 to see more of Jay and you freaking Mike. I 1903 01:45:12,119 --> 01:45:14,319 don't care who you're debating anytime. 1904 01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:16,520 Speaker 3: J knows I'm here I got his back, not that 1905 01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:18,239 he needs me at any time, but I remember this. 1906 01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:21,319 I remember that seeing in the radio ice here, We're 1907 01:45:21,359 --> 01:45:23,079 going to kick your ass all the way back to 1908 01:45:23,239 --> 01:45:24,720 Bagdad like that. 1909 01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:33,720 Speaker 6: What's up, Doc Holliday, what's up man? I'm youute, my joy? 1910 01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:34,640 Speaker 15: Hi Sam? 1911 01:45:35,359 --> 01:45:38,359 Speaker 2: I just got like two short questions if I can. 1912 01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:40,600 The best question is in relation to Hell. 1913 01:45:41,079 --> 01:45:43,159 Speaker 21: You know he's letting me friends all colleagues that come 1914 01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:46,319 on spices, I multodox Christian. But in relation to the 1915 01:45:46,359 --> 01:45:50,279 Holy Trinity, saying would they like follow the case principle? 1916 01:45:51,039 --> 01:45:55,039 A good enough example when I questioned the Holy Trinity. 1917 01:45:56,079 --> 01:45:58,359 If a person steps out said and says, the sun 1918 01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:01,880 shining the little Jesus cross is the sun. The sun 1919 01:46:02,199 --> 01:46:06,159 provide us energy, warmth, and light. But the sun is 1920 01:46:06,199 --> 01:46:10,199 still one right, good initial example. 1921 01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:13,359 Speaker 3: And the second let me comment on that. You gave 1922 01:46:13,399 --> 01:46:17,680 an example that was used even in early Christian fathers 1923 01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:20,720 with Jay would know more than me. But that example 1924 01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,560 actually is derived from Hebrews one three. What do I 1925 01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:26,680 mean if you look at the word Hebrew and Hebrews 1926 01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:29,920 one three, there's a word apple gosma. Excuse me for 1927 01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:33,279 butchering the Greek apple Gosma says, he is the radiance 1928 01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:38,319 of God's glory, radiance the outshining of God's glory. So 1929 01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:43,600 that imagery, that imagery itself evokes the image of the sun, 1930 01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:46,680 let's say, and then the rays of the sun. So 1931 01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:51,159 there the Lord is depicted as the rays, the radiance 1932 01:46:51,239 --> 01:46:55,399 of the sun. So that would be an apt analogy. 1933 01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,399 But you're gonna have to keep stressing an analogy is 1934 01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:00,119 not identical to God because those. 1935 01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:05,680 Speaker 6: You get the point, Yeah, and I got heures one 1936 01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:07,439 pulled up here for those that are curious, we want 1937 01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:08,920 to see those texts there. And then we got a 1938 01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:13,159 Muslim here, Muslim. He's just conveniently named Muslim. Makes it easier. 1939 01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:20,560 Speaker 3: Watcher's gonna attack. I'm mute, all ready for the attack. 1940 01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:22,880 Speaker 6: Let's go, you got I'm mute Muslim? 1941 01:47:27,039 --> 01:47:27,279 Speaker 3: Hello? 1942 01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:40,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, hello, hello, hello, yes, yes, hello, yes, that's before 1943 01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:41,000 we sold. 1944 01:47:41,159 --> 01:47:42,439 Speaker 22: Like, I just want to say, I have a lot 1945 01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:45,000 I have a lot of cool pick friends. 1946 01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:55,439 Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, Okay, let's see I would just like. 1947 01:48:00,119 --> 01:48:01,640 Speaker 2: We have now both the name of. 1948 01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:03,960 Speaker 6: Okay, how do you stead are going to prove the 1949 01:48:04,039 --> 01:48:05,159 torres corrupted? Here we go? 1950 01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:09,079 Speaker 3: Oh you can't you please hold on listen to me. 1951 01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,680 Please don't make the mistake. Are you listening you want 1952 01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:14,920 to talk about? Please don't make the mistake of misquoting 1953 01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:17,680 from a bus. Are you gonna make. 1954 01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:24,960 Speaker 2: This set up? Wait? 1955 01:48:25,119 --> 01:48:26,680 Speaker 3: You're gonna give me who. 1956 01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:28,720 Speaker 12: And Ben? 1957 01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:31,239 Speaker 3: Are you gonna give me somewhere? 1958 01:48:32,119 --> 01:48:33,039 Speaker 2: No love? 1959 01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:35,239 Speaker 3: Can you hear me? 1960 01:48:35,319 --> 01:48:35,800 Speaker 6: Can you hear me? 1961 01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:39,079 Speaker 3: Now? Elbodi? What centuries of the body? No? 1962 01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:41,800 Speaker 2: Man? 1963 01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:51,920 Speaker 3: I said, who oh Albani? You mean the twentieth century? Set? 1964 01:48:56,199 --> 01:48:56,239 Speaker 2: What? 1965 01:48:56,399 --> 01:49:00,680 Speaker 3: I well, I'm going the way Ja. If you don't 1966 01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:04,600 know he's appealing Albanie. Can let me explain to Jay 1967 01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:06,720 who you're quoting. Dude, Okay, it's. 1968 01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:07,960 Speaker 6: Hard to hear what's being said. 1969 01:49:08,199 --> 01:49:12,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's referring to chef Albani. He was an 1970 01:49:12,159 --> 01:49:14,439 Albanian chef of the twentieth century. 1971 01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:15,079 Speaker 2: So that's the head. 1972 01:49:15,079 --> 01:49:16,800 Speaker 3: He is going to quote you from some guy from 1973 01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:23,359 the twentieth century. Remember that before I know? 1974 01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:26,800 Speaker 2: Right? 1975 01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:31,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's funny. Get to that da before the time 1976 01:49:31,199 --> 01:49:33,960 for night prayer and then you're going to have to 1977 01:49:34,079 --> 01:49:35,800 go to sleep and then flush out saying that if 1978 01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:36,680 you're not in the morning. 1979 01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:44,920 Speaker 22: But yeah, I'm going to Okay, what's that good? I'm 1980 01:49:46,199 --> 01:49:48,359 I'm going to yes, yes. 1981 01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:55,720 Speaker 5: And I'm the American Norman and Abbie Berta and Abbi call. 1982 01:50:00,079 --> 01:50:00,239 Speaker 3: One. 1983 01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:04,520 Speaker 5: Have this is a hood? 1984 01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:10,760 Speaker 3: Okay translate, okay, one. We had a talk in private 1985 01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:14,960 translated guy, because I give you from your pa. 1986 01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:19,720 Speaker 25: If you are going to I want to already. 1987 01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,720 Speaker 3: Can you translate, buddy before the rapture? 1988 01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:23,359 Speaker 6: Come on, we don't need you to read the whole 1989 01:50:23,399 --> 01:50:25,880 Arabic thing. Just make the argument translated. 1990 01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:27,760 Speaker 22: Guy, be patient. 1991 01:50:29,079 --> 01:50:33,079 Speaker 3: Yeah. It also great when he was with go ahead translated. 1992 01:50:34,319 --> 01:50:37,479 Speaker 6: If you're going to come on, dude, stop? 1993 01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:40,359 Speaker 3: Does this guy translate this year? Is he waiting for? 1994 01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:45,520 Can you translate? To the point that the pones of 1995 01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:51,079 Israel rut a book and left the Yeah, you just 1996 01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:52,199 embarrassed yourself, did you? 1997 01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:52,439 Speaker 15: Guys? 1998 01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:52,680 Speaker 2: Hear it? 1999 01:50:54,399 --> 01:50:59,479 Speaker 3: Let me let me? Can I address your headeth that 2000 01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:01,119 now it's gonna to bury you. I'm going to do 2001 01:51:01,159 --> 01:51:03,840 your jeniza. Guys that you hear what he said? The 2002 01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:07,000 sons of Israel wrote a book. Can I address you? 2003 01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:10,079 Or you want to keep reciting Kuran by Barkil? The 2004 01:51:10,239 --> 01:51:14,079 Sons of Israel left the book, wrote a book, left 2005 01:51:14,119 --> 01:51:16,840 the Torah. Now number one, that's the sons of Israel. 2006 01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,000 But I know you're not too bright. The Toro is 2007 01:51:19,039 --> 01:51:20,800 also in the hands of the Christians and they didn't 2008 01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:24,319 change it. So even if I agree with you, even 2009 01:51:24,359 --> 01:51:27,079 if I agree with your perversion of that hadif even 2010 01:51:27,119 --> 01:51:30,520 if I agree, all you're proving is that some Jews 2011 01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:33,079 corrupt the Torah. But the Toro is also with the Christians, 2012 01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:36,119 and your prophet didn't say the Christians corrupted the Torah, 2013 01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:39,960 so this tour is still preserved. Secondly, he didn't say 2014 01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:42,920 they changed the Torah. He said they left the Torah 2015 01:51:43,039 --> 01:51:45,399 for another book. How can they leave the Torah if 2016 01:51:45,399 --> 01:51:47,199 they don't know what the Torah is? Genius? 2017 01:51:51,039 --> 01:51:52,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've heard you make that argument too, on another 2018 01:51:53,279 --> 01:51:56,359 h on another argument that you have with somebody else. 2019 01:51:56,479 --> 01:51:57,680 Do you want to make your second point? 2020 01:51:58,279 --> 01:52:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, the genius tell me, how can they abandoned the 2021 01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:07,359 tour if they didn't have it? I'm you, Okay, I 2022 01:52:07,399 --> 01:52:08,359 don't know why I left. 2023 01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:12,720 Speaker 6: How did they leave the tour if they didn't have it? 2024 01:52:15,159 --> 01:52:15,479 Speaker 3: Okay? 2025 01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:15,880 Speaker 5: Yeah? 2026 01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:17,760 Speaker 2: Can I get any reading? 2027 01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:22,359 Speaker 3: Can you answer the read the rest of the you know, 2028 01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:29,840 I know was insomnia, But can you I'll when when 2029 01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:31,640 you go and get me when you when you read. 2030 01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:32,439 Speaker 2: And you. 2031 01:52:35,079 --> 01:52:36,600 Speaker 6: Out of your nose, are you going to answer how 2032 01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:37,960 they left at it? They didn't have it or not? 2033 01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:43,560 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, as a certain they didn't have it. Oh 2034 01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:48,000 they lost it? Yeah it, Oh they did, that's why. 2035 01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:50,880 And soon I'm not going to use a Albani against you. 2036 01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:55,520 You mentioned Albani right soon in a number forty four 2037 01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:57,039 thirty four, and I'll get you the link, j. 2038 01:52:59,159 --> 01:52:59,359 Speaker 12: Son. 2039 01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:02,279 Speaker 3: Can I wish the point you want to again? Let 2040 01:53:02,359 --> 01:53:08,000 me finish the point. And soon a classified as hassan 2041 01:53:08,239 --> 01:53:12,800 by Albani. Your prophets said to the Jews, bring me 2042 01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:15,760 the torah. They brought the torah. He put it on 2043 01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:18,439 the cushion. There torah, and he said, I believe in 2044 01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:25,239 you and him who sent you. How did they if 2045 01:53:25,279 --> 01:53:31,960 they brought the torah to your profit? This only is dying. No, 2046 01:53:32,319 --> 01:53:36,119 it's I'm gonna no, no, no, I'm gonna get the idea. 2047 01:53:36,399 --> 01:53:42,439 Don't let him run stop presiding, Koran. We heard you. 2048 01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:51,119 Take it easy. Let me get you there, Jake, you're 2049 01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:59,279 gonna change your position. It's happens. It's yeah. I hold 2050 01:53:59,319 --> 01:53:59,880 on a bit t. 2051 01:54:04,279 --> 01:54:06,680 Speaker 6: Send you the link you can sent on Skype. I 2052 01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:07,319 got skype up. 2053 01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:09,039 Speaker 12: Okay, oh, I don't. 2054 01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:10,039 Speaker 3: Want to hear you recite. 2055 01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:16,319 Speaker 2: Let's let us bring. 2056 01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:21,760 Speaker 3: Let's bring the because you said they lost it. I 2057 01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,680 think the only thing you was lost is the brainsails 2058 01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:26,800 from kissing the black stone. Because here it says they 2059 01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:27,079 had it. 2060 01:54:28,079 --> 01:54:31,359 Speaker 6: I got it pulled up. I have it pulled up. 2061 01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:34,760 Speaker 3: Can you read jay? Can you read it? 2062 01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:37,680 Speaker 6: From a group of Jews came and invited the Messenger 2063 01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:41,159 of a So he visited them in their school. They 2064 01:54:41,199 --> 01:54:45,239 said him, one of our men has committed for nication 2065 01:54:45,359 --> 01:54:47,720 with a woman, so pronounced judgment upon them. They placed 2066 01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:49,880 a cushion for the Messenger of Allah, who sat on 2067 01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:52,640 it and said, bring the Torah. It was then brought. 2068 01:54:53,079 --> 01:54:55,880 He then withdrew the cushion beneath him and placed the 2069 01:54:55,960 --> 01:54:58,840 Torah on it, saying, I believe THEE and in him 2070 01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:01,520 who revealed the Then he said, bring me one who 2071 01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:03,920 has learned among you. The young man was brought. The 2072 01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:07,479 transmitter then miss mentioned the rest of this tradition of stoning, 2073 01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:10,560 similar to the one transmitted about my league from Nafi. 2074 01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:12,600 Speaker 3: What's the great there? 2075 01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:13,000 Speaker 15: What is it? 2076 01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:23,399 Speaker 3: What is the great hawsan? That means good? Now did 2077 01:55:23,479 --> 01:55:25,880 you hear him, Jay, because then you can engage in logically. 2078 01:55:26,319 --> 01:55:28,640 He said, they lost the Tora, right, that's what he said. 2079 01:55:30,359 --> 01:55:33,279 What what torah then did they bring? If it was lost? 2080 01:55:35,079 --> 01:55:38,359 Now you can engage them logically. Go ahead, I'll just okay. 2081 01:55:41,479 --> 01:55:47,119 And is the only one who know you're lying? Yes, 2082 01:55:47,199 --> 01:55:52,520 that's a lie. Ja, let me l Josie, you're a liar? 2083 01:55:56,439 --> 01:56:01,560 Can I make my point? L Josie said that there 2084 01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,079 was a group of Ulama that cited this headdeth as 2085 01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:07,479 proof that the Torah has not been changed? Why are 2086 01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,279 you lying? Let me get you that article? 2087 01:56:10,039 --> 01:56:13,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was about to Yeah this your answering isla article? 2088 01:56:14,479 --> 01:56:15,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? Did you get fam? 2089 01:56:16,479 --> 01:56:16,840 Speaker 2: You have it? 2090 01:56:17,359 --> 01:56:19,359 Speaker 6: Is it the one about the Bible's not being corrupted? 2091 01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:19,920 Speaker 2: That one? 2092 01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:25,399 Speaker 3: This one is one specific. I'll get you. Okay, this guy, 2093 01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:29,199 can I make them people see why you are Let 2094 01:56:29,279 --> 01:56:32,680 me explain to that. The guy just lied, he said, 2095 01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:35,079 El Albani is the only one who said Hassan. But Jane, 2096 01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:37,399 did you hear earlier? Who did he quote Ellbani? 2097 01:56:37,479 --> 01:56:37,600 Speaker 9: Right? 2098 01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:40,920 Speaker 3: But now all of a sudden, Al Albani is not 2099 01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:43,840 good enough when it says it's Hassan. But now notice 2100 01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:47,680 his lie. He said, it's only al Albani. You're lying 2101 01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:52,079 because it paying Josiah said. Other Muslim scholars accepted this, 2102 01:56:52,199 --> 01:56:55,680 headef as good and use it as proof that Torah 2103 01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:57,600 has not been corrupted. So let me get the article 2104 01:56:57,600 --> 01:56:59,359 because we don't want to hear you. Let me get 2105 01:56:59,399 --> 01:57:01,479 the article. Wait so people can see you're a liar. 2106 01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:05,520 Just one second, one second, buddy. See this is why 2107 01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:07,800 they don't want me to be with you, because they'll 2108 01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:11,760 see what happens. Now here, Jay, the article right here, 2109 01:57:12,439 --> 01:57:14,439 it's been paying El jos And for the people who 2110 01:57:14,479 --> 01:57:16,119 don't know, because I don't think this guy's going to 2111 01:57:16,159 --> 01:57:19,199 tell you. It's been paying El Josiah was the student 2112 01:57:19,439 --> 01:57:24,840 of Ibn tay Me, Ibbin tay Me. Uh why because 2113 01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:29,399 the cellafie those anthropomorphists believe that Ibn Tamy is one 2114 01:57:29,399 --> 01:57:31,720 of their greatest scholars and it's two premier students. It 2115 01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:34,680 been paying El Josia and it been k now Jay, 2116 01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:37,600 as you open it, remember he just said, only al 2117 01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:39,119 Albani accepted this. IDE's right. 2118 01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:39,800 Speaker 6: Yeah. 2119 01:57:40,680 --> 01:57:43,880 Speaker 3: Now I can't see your screen, but you're goodness, okay, 2120 01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:45,000 where do I see your screen? Here? 2121 01:57:46,279 --> 01:57:46,880 Speaker 6: On YouTube? 2122 01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:50,359 Speaker 3: Oh? You're on YouTube. Okay, I'm sorry, man, I didn't know. 2123 01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:52,319 Let me go to YouTube channel. But on the screen, 2124 01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:56,399 do you see that part says Abu da would Yeah. 2125 01:57:56,319 --> 01:57:57,760 Speaker 6: Let me make you see it. Let me make it 2126 01:57:57,840 --> 01:57:59,279 to where everybody can see it here. 2127 01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:03,000 Speaker 3: And you'll see Abudhou. Now for the context here, I 2128 01:58:03,079 --> 01:58:05,560 been famous saying there's a group of scholars that said 2129 01:58:06,399 --> 01:58:08,199 that the Tora has never been corrupted. 2130 01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:09,079 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know. 2131 01:58:09,199 --> 01:58:11,359 Speaker 3: He mentions, let me tell the people, because the Muslim 2132 01:58:11,399 --> 01:58:14,279 is going to know who these are. He mentions Imam 2133 01:58:14,439 --> 01:58:19,600 el Bukhari El Bukhari, the collector of the Hadiza Bukhari. 2134 01:58:20,039 --> 01:58:23,359 He's one of those that Iban Pam says, believe that 2135 01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:25,840 none of the books of a law can be corrupted. 2136 01:58:26,279 --> 01:58:28,479 The tour on the Gospel have never been corrupted. Right, 2137 01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:31,600 And then he quotes abudo this headith. What does it 2138 01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:32,399 say if you can read it? 2139 01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:36,159 Speaker 6: A group of Jewish people invited the Messenger of Allah 2140 01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:38,239 to the house. When they came, they asked him, oh, 2141 01:58:38,359 --> 01:58:41,680 Abu Kasim, one of our men committed anulture with a woman. 2142 01:58:42,079 --> 01:58:44,199 What is your judgment against him? So they placed a 2143 01:58:44,319 --> 01:58:47,000 pillow and asked the Messenger of Allah to set on it. 2144 01:58:47,239 --> 01:58:49,279 The messenger of all oppursuit to say, bring me the torah. 2145 01:58:49,319 --> 01:58:51,319 When they brought it, he removed the pillow from underneath 2146 01:58:51,359 --> 01:58:53,239 him and placed the tour on it and said, I 2147 01:58:53,359 --> 01:58:55,479 believe in you and the one who revealed you. And 2148 01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:58,000 then he said, bring me one of you who have 2149 01:58:58,119 --> 01:58:59,800 the most knowledge. They brought him a young man who 2150 01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:01,359 to the story of the stony. 2151 01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:04,439 Speaker 3: And then I'll notice what it says right after that? 2152 01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:05,159 What did they say? 2153 01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:08,199 Speaker 6: The scholar said, if the tora was corrupted, he would 2154 01:59:08,199 --> 01:59:09,800 not have placed it on the pillow, and he would 2155 01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:11,399 not have said I believed in you and the one 2156 01:59:11,399 --> 01:59:11,960 who revealed you. 2157 01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:13,279 Speaker 3: Did you catch that? 2158 01:59:13,479 --> 01:59:13,640 Speaker 2: Jay? 2159 01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:14,119 Speaker 6: Yep? 2160 01:59:15,039 --> 01:59:19,279 Speaker 3: Scholars plural who accepted this narration as authenticness prove that 2161 01:59:19,439 --> 01:59:21,119 the tour is not corrupt. Why is he lying? 2162 01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:24,720 Speaker 6: Well, it seems to change based on what they need 2163 01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:27,319 at the time. The argument seemed to change based on 2164 01:59:27,399 --> 01:59:28,399 what they need to do at the time. 2165 01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:32,640 Speaker 3: So you lied now now unless he has a better argument, 2166 01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:36,760 your arguments are pathetic and weak, like yourn. 2167 01:59:39,079 --> 01:59:41,640 Speaker 2: So is he there? 2168 01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:43,840 Speaker 6: Do you want to come back and speak? 2169 01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:50,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, So don't play anymore. He left because you're going 2170 01:59:50,239 --> 01:59:52,920 to embarrass all on his messenger. See the whole your 2171 01:59:53,079 --> 01:59:57,399 entire religion is weak, Dave, not just your ideas. Any 2172 01:59:57,439 --> 01:59:58,880 other Muslim want to come and put me in my 2173 01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:02,760 place now if you haven't no one else let me. 2174 02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:04,520 Don't want you want me to wrap it up for you, brother, because. 2175 02:00:04,319 --> 02:00:04,600 Speaker 15: I don't know. 2176 02:00:05,279 --> 02:00:06,880 Speaker 6: Well, we got a couple more people. See if there's 2177 02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:07,520 uscis go ahead. 2178 02:00:08,479 --> 02:00:10,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm Muslim, but I did just have 2179 02:00:11,039 --> 02:00:14,399 a couple of questions for I Sam related to a topic. 2180 02:00:15,159 --> 02:00:19,800 Yess the topic. 2181 02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:21,920 Speaker 6: Is Islam with Sam right now, so you can ask 2182 02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:25,199 me those questions about that stuff later. Witness, did you 2183 02:00:25,239 --> 02:00:26,720 want to talk to Go ahead? 2184 02:00:27,039 --> 02:00:29,760 Speaker 3: Just want to make sure it. Jay's here to discuss 2185 02:00:29,800 --> 02:00:32,199 and debate with Catholics the difference Bee, they worth took Catholic. 2186 02:00:32,399 --> 02:00:34,920 I'm here to help him with Islam, so keep. 2187 02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:35,399 Speaker 2: It on his slam. 2188 02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:46,199 Speaker 6: Go ahead. I'm mute, Witness. Do you want to U mute? Witness? 2189 02:00:46,319 --> 02:00:47,840 Last chance? I'm mute. We're moving on. 2190 02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:52,159 Speaker 29: Yeah, No, I was just wanting to understand what gentleman 2191 02:00:52,319 --> 02:00:54,800 was saying as far as Islam goes, like, what his 2192 02:00:54,920 --> 02:00:55,600 position was. 2193 02:00:55,880 --> 02:00:59,119 Speaker 3: The Muslim the guy that came up right now a 2194 02:00:59,159 --> 02:01:03,319 couple minutes ago. Yeah, okay. He was trying to say, 2195 02:01:03,399 --> 02:01:07,560 there are hadiths, hadith are narrations attributed Mohammed. That's Momma 2196 02:01:07,600 --> 02:01:10,880 said that Torah has corrupted. It's not uncorrupt, and he 2197 02:01:11,359 --> 02:01:14,079 quoted a haditha actually backfired because the haditha that he 2198 02:01:14,199 --> 02:01:17,560 cited he said that the children of Israel wrote a 2199 02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:20,279 book and abandoned the Torah. Notice he didn't say they 2200 02:01:20,319 --> 02:01:23,800 corupted a Torah. They replaced the Torah and followed a 2201 02:01:23,880 --> 02:01:26,920 book that they wrote. In his mind, that means the 2202 02:01:27,039 --> 02:01:31,840 Torah has been corrupted. That was his argument right from 2203 02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:36,199 from minunderstanding. I have no religious. 2204 02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:40,600 Speaker 29: I practiced and study all religious I practiced is I 2205 02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:42,880 believe Prophet Mohammad pieces on him, said that. 2206 02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:45,680 Speaker 3: It's the grammar that was. 2207 02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:48,239 Speaker 2: Torah is. 2208 02:01:50,439 --> 02:01:54,000 Speaker 3: Not listening. You said, you don't you practice origins. Then 2209 02:01:54,039 --> 02:01:56,680 he said, Prophet Muhammad saladdressing me upon him, why are 2210 02:01:56,680 --> 02:01:57,279 you praying for him? 2211 02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:01,439 Speaker 2: Are you there? 2212 02:02:02,239 --> 02:02:06,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? Because you said can you talk to soul religions? 2213 02:02:06,039 --> 02:02:08,520 But you said, Prophet Mohammed Salary, you can keep interrupting 2214 02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:11,119 me because I don't because you just like you just 2215 02:02:11,239 --> 02:02:13,560 pray for Mohammed. So you're a Muslim, right, I pray 2216 02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:19,640 for everybody. So Mohammad fulfilled God. Are you Christian or 2217 02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:21,680 are you Jewish? What are you? 2218 02:02:22,079 --> 02:02:25,479 Speaker 29: Because Mohammad, prophet Muhammad, was the only human beings that 2219 02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:27,640 actually fulfill the Covenant that's in the Torah. 2220 02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:32,760 Speaker 6: Okay, well, that's ignorance of the Torah to it has 2221 02:02:32,840 --> 02:02:34,960 been corrupt. Where's the proof of that. Where's the proof 2222 02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:38,800 of that? Where's your proof of that? Where's your proof 2223 02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:41,720 of that? Where's your proof of it? Saying it's true 2224 02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:43,399 is not argument? Where's your proof of that? 2225 02:02:44,199 --> 02:02:47,399 Speaker 3: Okay? So you follow Prophet Mohammad, Salad dressing be upon him. 2226 02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:53,039 You follow Mohammads you know I'm not going to follow him. 2227 02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:55,279 Speaker 6: You said, he said, yes. 2228 02:02:55,239 --> 02:02:55,920 Speaker 3: Said Abraham. 2229 02:02:56,079 --> 02:03:01,239 Speaker 29: Abraham's religion is come from to the DoD dodgeball. 2230 02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:03,560 Speaker 3: Player, stop dodging. Do you follow Mohammed? 2231 02:03:03,640 --> 02:03:04,039 Speaker 22: Yes or no? 2232 02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:09,479 Speaker 3: Problem? Then your prophets said the Bible is uncrupt. You 2233 02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:11,600 said it's been changed. So that means you said, Momma 2234 02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:13,800 is a liar and he's in the pitovel. So make 2235 02:03:13,880 --> 02:03:14,359 up your mind. 2236 02:03:15,119 --> 02:03:15,960 Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that. 2237 02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:18,479 Speaker 3: I'm saying that to Torah and all the Christian Bibles. 2238 02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:21,119 They've had definitely, especially going back to the Torah. 2239 02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:21,760 Speaker 2: Are. 2240 02:03:23,279 --> 02:03:26,720 Speaker 3: Does the does the Koran say that it's all corrupted? 2241 02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:31,439 Speaker 6: Where's your argument for that prefix? So you're just shouting, 2242 02:03:31,560 --> 02:03:32,720 no argument, no idea. 2243 02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:34,439 Speaker 3: What they're uttering is actually. 2244 02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:36,359 Speaker 2: Quantum physics. 2245 02:03:37,319 --> 02:03:38,359 Speaker 6: Quantum physics. 2246 02:03:38,840 --> 02:03:40,760 Speaker 3: If you're going to be the person, this is a 2247 02:03:41,239 --> 02:03:42,319 world prophet. 2248 02:03:44,279 --> 02:03:46,960 Speaker 6: This, This guy's insane. He's talking about quantum physics. We're 2249 02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:49,199 moving on. Did you want to say something again? Muslim 2250 02:03:49,199 --> 02:03:49,920 in your back? What's up? 2251 02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:50,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? 2252 02:03:51,359 --> 02:03:53,680 Speaker 6: Your hot deth the hard death guy's back, what's up? 2253 02:03:54,439 --> 02:03:58,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm you Yeah. Address even Thames saying you're a. 2254 02:03:58,760 --> 02:04:06,279 Speaker 6: Liar because you don't let him reply. That's why you 2255 02:04:06,439 --> 02:04:08,600 just yap and you try to just read the hadith 2256 02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:10,920 NonStop in the Koran. We want to we want your 2257 02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:12,079 replies to the arguments. 2258 02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:15,199 Speaker 3: Yep, the argument. Even Thilliams said that a group of 2259 02:04:15,239 --> 02:04:18,439 scholars accepted sound and use it as proof that the 2260 02:04:18,479 --> 02:04:20,800 tour has not changed. So give me another argument that 2261 02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:26,039 the tour has changed. I did have a yeah, let me. 2262 02:04:28,199 --> 02:04:34,479 Speaker 6: Okay, No, we gonna understand what you're saying. Man, Prince, 2263 02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:40,439 what's up? I'm you. 2264 02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:42,680 Speaker 2: Hi? 2265 02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:46,479 Speaker 3: This is Princess Hannah, daughter of the Chosen People. 2266 02:04:49,319 --> 02:04:52,079 Speaker 6: Okay, you have you have an argument or listen. The 2267 02:04:52,199 --> 02:04:55,880 topics are Islam. You're not Muslim, right, I'm not Muslim? 2268 02:04:56,039 --> 02:04:59,199 But okay, well the argument is about Islam, not Jewish 2269 02:05:00,119 --> 02:05:02,720 suss Keith, what's up, Keith? 2270 02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:05,399 Speaker 3: I don't know. That sounds like the must. 2271 02:05:07,680 --> 02:05:14,920 Speaker 6: All right, all right, he can't connect. We'll try somebody else. Seth, 2272 02:05:15,199 --> 02:05:19,439 what's up? We're not looking for uh uh Lutherans, so 2273 02:05:19,479 --> 02:05:20,880 I'm not trying to be rude to you, Seth, but 2274 02:05:21,039 --> 02:05:32,199 it's not Lutheran hour. Uh email, what's up? Email? Go ahead? Email? 2275 02:05:38,399 --> 02:05:42,439 Speaker 3: All right, come bye, guys, Come on, Muslims. 2276 02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:45,800 Speaker 6: They can't. They're having a hard time connectings. So I'm 2277 02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:49,760 gonna I'm moving on. Let's see. I don't know. Sometimes 2278 02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:51,640 if they're on cell phone, it's just hard for them 2279 02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:54,119 to connect to Twitter space. What's up? 2280 02:05:54,199 --> 02:05:54,359 Speaker 3: Man? 2281 02:05:58,720 --> 02:06:11,279 Speaker 6: Go ahead, I'm mute. Gott I'm mute, man, Seth, I'm mute. 2282 02:06:13,439 --> 02:06:15,640 Speaker 3: That isn't that doesn't even sound like I'm a But anyway, 2283 02:06:15,800 --> 02:06:18,119 most of them are come on, are you? 2284 02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 2285 02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:22,680 Speaker 3: Is it Twitter aracking up because of the Trump or something? 2286 02:06:22,840 --> 02:06:25,720 Speaker 6: It could be Yeah, it could be that. Johnny do 2287 02:06:25,720 --> 02:06:26,840 you want to try again? What's up? 2288 02:06:34,199 --> 02:06:34,520 Speaker 3: Oah? 2289 02:06:35,399 --> 02:06:35,640 Speaker 2: Hello? 2290 02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:43,159 Speaker 30: Oh, I wanted to ask as well about I was 2291 02:06:43,199 --> 02:06:45,760 watching a video on sam where he was talking about 2292 02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:48,479 the muta muta. 2293 02:06:49,680 --> 02:06:53,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to ask if. 2294 02:06:53,439 --> 02:06:56,199 Speaker 26: They're like evidence of that, like yes, it didn't lead 2295 02:06:56,279 --> 02:06:59,800 to like more conquests against Christians nations. 2296 02:07:00,479 --> 02:07:04,439 Speaker 3: Mutah, this is the problem. You're going to have. The 2297 02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:08,399 largest branch of Islam are Sunni Muslims, and in Sunni 2298 02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:12,960 Islamic tradition, that's let me explain what zoji mutah is 2299 02:07:13,119 --> 02:07:16,279 for people don't know. It's pleasure marriages. Let me explain 2300 02:07:16,319 --> 02:07:18,640 for everyone, because you have an idea, but many people 2301 02:07:18,680 --> 02:07:22,840 don't know what it is. In the Sunni tradition and 2302 02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:25,199 the shi On tradition, they both agree. They both agree 2303 02:07:25,239 --> 02:07:30,560 on this. The Muhammad allowed his jihadis because they're at war, 2304 02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:33,039 and I got to keep it because I got to 2305 02:07:33,039 --> 02:07:36,880 be careful what I say on YouTube. Man, Lord haveing channel. 2306 02:07:37,239 --> 02:07:42,199 So yeah, they couldn't control their passions. They wanted to 2307 02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:46,520 be intimate, but their wives weren't there. So Muhammad said, 2308 02:07:46,680 --> 02:07:49,600 go find you a woman. Go find you a woman, 2309 02:07:50,479 --> 02:07:53,600 marry her for up to three days, and then you 2310 02:07:53,680 --> 02:07:56,960 can divorce her and pay her for her services. Sunni 2311 02:07:57,079 --> 02:08:00,680 Muslims admit Muhammad did this, they say, but then it 2312 02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:05,720 was abrogated, canceled out, so that Muhammad abrogated it, and 2313 02:08:06,039 --> 02:08:09,159 Sunni Wilslim say, you can't do that anymore. The Shia 2314 02:08:09,640 --> 02:08:13,880 say no, it was never abrogated because they don't follow 2315 02:08:14,119 --> 02:08:16,840 the Sunny tradition. They have their own traditions. So as 2316 02:08:16,920 --> 02:08:20,359 you and I speak today, there are Shia Muslim I 2317 02:08:20,399 --> 02:08:23,159 have a clip actually on my YouTube channel, three young 2318 02:08:23,239 --> 02:08:27,760 Shia men admitting that this form of marriage, which is 2319 02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:30,520 not marriage. You tell a woman, hey, I want to 2320 02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:32,159 marry you for three days. When I'm done, I'll pay 2321 02:08:32,159 --> 02:08:34,920 you for your services. We don't call that marriage dewey, 2322 02:08:35,039 --> 02:08:37,640 we call it something else. You can you can find 2323 02:08:37,680 --> 02:08:42,840 plenty of them in Las Vegas. Right coming to the issue. 2324 02:08:43,520 --> 02:08:47,920 Speaker 25: The Shia say no, it's still part of Islam, and. 2325 02:08:48,039 --> 02:08:50,479 Speaker 3: They go around. I actually know this for a fact. 2326 02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:53,800 They will try to find a woman I had. She 2327 02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:56,760 had tell me this on palatalk years ago, that he 2328 02:08:56,840 --> 02:08:59,159 had met some woman and he was in the UK, 2329 02:08:59,600 --> 02:09:02,479 that it read to this form of marriage. He goes, 2330 02:09:02,520 --> 02:09:05,600 I'm gonna go do mutah marriage so she al Muslims 2331 02:09:05,680 --> 02:09:08,880 do it. The sonny say, no, it's forbidden, but the 2332 02:09:09,479 --> 02:09:12,319 sonny have a different form of the same thing called monia. 2333 02:09:12,479 --> 02:09:15,600 But yeah, So to answer your question, Muhammad allowed it 2334 02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:18,359 at the beginning, but then the sonny say he canceled 2335 02:09:18,399 --> 02:09:21,439 it in his lifetime. Did she all say, you never canceled? 2336 02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:26,079 Speaker 26: So, because I also was very safe a lot of 2337 02:09:26,119 --> 02:09:29,439 the like morality of Islam, I feel like I started 2338 02:09:29,439 --> 02:09:32,439 to look into it once, like my friends started converting 2339 02:09:32,479 --> 02:09:34,479 to it because in my city, I'm from Baltimore, it's 2340 02:09:34,479 --> 02:09:34,800 a lot. 2341 02:09:34,680 --> 02:09:37,399 Speaker 3: Of people converting to Islam against Baltimore. 2342 02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:41,439 Speaker 26: And Philly, and they would telling me like, it's so 2343 02:09:41,640 --> 02:09:44,199 morally sound, and I'm starting to see it's really. 2344 02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:45,720 Speaker 2: Not at all. 2345 02:09:48,239 --> 02:09:50,960 Speaker 26: When I my friend he went to Gail and he 2346 02:09:51,039 --> 02:09:53,640 told me a lot of people was converting to Islam 2347 02:09:54,079 --> 02:09:56,640 just for protection because they were very like even vicious 2348 02:09:56,720 --> 02:09:57,039 in there. 2349 02:09:57,560 --> 02:09:59,520 Speaker 3: And I was even saying, like some of the morality 2350 02:10:00,039 --> 02:10:02,800 uh uh mesh as well with. 2351 02:10:02,920 --> 02:10:05,680 Speaker 26: Like criminality, like people who are already criminals, they don't 2352 02:10:05,720 --> 02:10:06,319 have to change. 2353 02:10:06,439 --> 02:10:08,800 Speaker 3: You can extort Christians and Jews to their knowledge. 2354 02:10:09,479 --> 02:10:11,800 Speaker 26: I do like and I wanted to see like with 2355 02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:14,039 like the Jiza tags and the Demi text. 2356 02:10:18,119 --> 02:10:20,880 Speaker 3: If Jay doesn't mind, I'll answer your question. I'll do 2357 02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:23,119 so much tomorrow, God willing, because people want me to 2358 02:10:23,239 --> 02:10:27,239 explain what's happening in the UK Chapter nine twenty nine 2359 02:10:27,239 --> 02:10:30,560 of the Crime. According to the Muslim sources, one of 2360 02:10:30,600 --> 02:10:35,600 the last chapters of not the last chapter that Muhammad composed, 2361 02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:42,640 is chapter nine called the Tobadah Chapter of Repentance champion 2362 02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:48,640 chapter of Annulman, where Mohammad told the Pagans, any covenants 2363 02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:51,800 we have, I will terminate, or with those who didn't 2364 02:10:52,640 --> 02:10:55,760 war against them, I will allow the covenants between us 2365 02:10:56,199 --> 02:11:02,720 to remain intact until the stipulated period. But afterwards, you idolators, 2366 02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:05,600 you'll either convert to Slam or be killed. Now that's 2367 02:11:06,119 --> 02:11:09,880 the pagan idolators. But then he targeted a second group. 2368 02:11:10,600 --> 02:11:14,600 The second group called people of the book. The Arabic 2369 02:11:14,720 --> 02:11:18,439 terms Ahl kitab people of the book means Jews and 2370 02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:23,239 Christians because the recognizes Jews and Christians were given scripture 2371 02:11:23,439 --> 02:11:26,880 from a law Supanawakaada. They think Allah is the god 2372 02:11:26,960 --> 02:11:31,359 of the Bible anyway, So with them, with them, they 2373 02:11:31,399 --> 02:11:33,760 have three options. Chapter nine, verse twenty nine says this. 2374 02:11:34,039 --> 02:11:38,720 This is exactly the context. Now Muhammad has masked a 2375 02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:45,560 large military force. He has enough manpower. He has enough 2376 02:11:46,439 --> 02:11:51,840 military might to now spread Aslam offensively. Offensive Yeah, meaning 2377 02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:54,159 goal and take over lands of people who will never 2378 02:11:54,279 --> 02:11:55,399 threaten Muslims. 2379 02:11:55,119 --> 02:11:57,520 Speaker 6: With sam which vers did you say, I've got the Koran? 2380 02:12:02,159 --> 02:12:04,439 Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, needlass And I'm going to break this down 2381 02:12:04,520 --> 02:12:07,119 as you saying it too. Yeah. I'll just quote it 2382 02:12:07,159 --> 02:12:10,079 from memory because I can't, Man, I need glasses. Brother. Eventually, anyway, 2383 02:12:10,119 --> 02:12:14,399 ninety twenty nine says, fight those who believe not in 2384 02:12:14,479 --> 02:12:16,199 a law nor the last day. Now, let's break it 2385 02:12:16,239 --> 02:12:19,800 down for you. Fight those who believe not in law 2386 02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:22,359 or nor the last day. Meaning if you don't believe 2387 02:12:23,640 --> 02:12:26,319 a law of Islam is God, nor do you believe 2388 02:12:26,600 --> 02:12:30,720 in the last day as prescribed by Islam, then Muslims 2389 02:12:30,720 --> 02:12:33,279 are to fight you. It says, fight those who believe 2390 02:12:33,319 --> 02:12:37,920 not in a law nor the last day, nor prohibit 2391 02:12:38,119 --> 02:12:42,920 forbid what all in his messenger have prohibited, nor follow 2392 02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:45,119 the religion of truth, even if they're from the people 2393 02:12:45,159 --> 02:12:47,680 of the book, until they pay the Jesi and feel 2394 02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:53,960 themselves subdued. That word subdued means humiliated, disgrace, degraded, debased. 2395 02:12:54,399 --> 02:12:57,640 Now notice the reasons why Muslims are to fight people. 2396 02:12:58,399 --> 02:13:01,439 If I tell you, do you forget what Muhammad forbids like, 2397 02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:07,279 for example, do you refrain from eating swine? No, that's 2398 02:13:07,319 --> 02:13:10,680 grounds to fight you. Wow, this is the yeah that says, 2399 02:13:11,039 --> 02:13:14,880 nor forbid what a Lah or his messenger not, or 2400 02:13:14,920 --> 02:13:17,920 I'm sorry Allah and his messenger have forbidden. Now, notice 2401 02:13:18,079 --> 02:13:21,239 there's a partnership. It's not what Allah has, it's what 2402 02:13:21,399 --> 02:13:25,520 Allah and his messenger have forbidden. Also another reason to 2403 02:13:25,560 --> 02:13:28,159 fight you. If I say, hey, Islam teaches at the 2404 02:13:28,239 --> 02:13:30,039 Last Day. I don't want to believe the one, but 2405 02:13:30,079 --> 02:13:31,960 I wanted to show you how evil this religion is, 2406 02:13:32,319 --> 02:13:35,880 how immoral and grotesque is Islam says, at the Last Day, 2407 02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:39,279 if you're a good Muslim, you good Muslim, you'll enter 2408 02:13:39,439 --> 02:13:44,840 Jenda paradise and you'll be given a pavilion of hoodie's 2409 02:13:46,439 --> 02:13:51,479 alain or are they maidens of pleasure? Wide eyed? And 2410 02:13:51,600 --> 02:13:55,159 the Koran says they have firm breasts Chapter seventy vers 2411 02:13:55,199 --> 02:13:57,960 three through the Koran says that their breasts are firm. 2412 02:13:58,039 --> 02:14:04,439 Speaker 26: In other words, no saggy plus and this is verree. 2413 02:14:04,880 --> 02:14:07,079 Speaker 3: Chapter seventy eight, verse thirty three. You can read thirty 2414 02:14:07,079 --> 02:14:10,560 one to thirty three, and you will be spending all 2415 02:14:10,760 --> 02:14:14,640 eternity deflowering them all eternity. 2416 02:14:15,119 --> 02:14:18,039 Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, this is it is where did get the 2417 02:14:18,159 --> 02:14:19,079 cause of a virgins? 2418 02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:23,479 Speaker 26: They haven't so before they so regular mainstream is slum 2419 02:14:23,560 --> 02:14:24,520 beliefs in it as well. 2420 02:14:25,199 --> 02:14:27,840 Speaker 3: Well, it's in the Qur'an. They may so valorize it, 2421 02:14:28,319 --> 02:14:31,920 spiritualize it. But the plane reading is these are maidens 2422 02:14:31,960 --> 02:14:34,039 of pleasure. And by the way, what's interesting the word 2423 02:14:34,119 --> 02:14:37,079 who is where you get your modern English word from? 2424 02:14:37,760 --> 02:14:38,159 Speaker 2: I don't know what. 2425 02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:42,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, horry, you get it right. But anyway, Yeah, 2426 02:14:43,039 --> 02:14:45,239 but now here's the thing. Now, if I say to you, hey, 2427 02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:47,600 do you believe in that last day? Do you believe 2428 02:14:47,640 --> 02:14:53,800 that you'll enter paradise with eternal erections deflowering virgins forever 2429 02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:56,680 and ever and they'll go back being virginal again. If 2430 02:14:56,720 --> 02:14:59,600 you say no, that sounds like Playboy mansion on steroids 2431 02:14:59,720 --> 02:15:03,279 or with hormone, then that's wounds to fight you. But 2432 02:15:03,399 --> 02:15:06,159 if you're a Jew or a Christian, you're giving this 2433 02:15:06,239 --> 02:15:11,359 option become Muslim or you pay jiz summation as a 2434 02:15:11,439 --> 02:15:14,880 sign that we've subjugated you, humiliated you, and brought you 2435 02:15:15,039 --> 02:15:17,560 under the hedge of many of Islam. Or we fight 2436 02:15:17,720 --> 02:15:19,119 and to the victor goes as spoils. 2437 02:15:20,199 --> 02:15:26,119 Speaker 26: Okay, So with the jizia tags in history, like, is 2438 02:15:26,239 --> 02:15:30,640 there like any like uh? Leaders of Islamic Califfe's day. 2439 02:15:30,640 --> 02:15:33,359 Speaker 3: All throughout that's unconducted Muslim. 2440 02:15:35,479 --> 02:15:35,840 Speaker 2: Part of it. 2441 02:15:37,039 --> 02:15:40,079 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, all of them. They told me he was 2442 02:15:40,159 --> 02:15:42,920 the most just. He was known for his chivalry, chivalry, 2443 02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:46,239 lea chivalry or whatever the hell they called it. There 2444 02:15:46,239 --> 02:15:48,880 a bunch of stuff. Brother, Have you ever ran into 2445 02:15:49,039 --> 02:15:51,640 Well you haven't. You have some mob bosses. There are 2446 02:15:51,680 --> 02:15:55,279 some decent human beings. They're loved by the community. They 2447 02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:58,520 feed the the hungry and take care of the homeless. 2448 02:15:58,920 --> 02:16:02,079 But there's still a moai. You have to pay them protection. 2449 02:16:02,239 --> 02:16:04,680 If not, then they'll end up slaughtery right, So you're 2450 02:16:04,760 --> 02:16:08,840 paying them to you from them, right, Yeah, Well that's 2451 02:16:08,840 --> 02:16:10,760 how it is. It's a mafiosa. It's like a gang. 2452 02:16:10,840 --> 02:16:13,439 Well yeah, this my boss was really sweet, all right, 2453 02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:14,880 but he's still a my boss and if you don't, 2454 02:16:15,720 --> 02:16:16,159 he'll kill you. 2455 02:16:18,319 --> 02:16:24,000 Speaker 6: Tell you what's up? Did you have a Muslim related issue? Question? Debate. 2456 02:16:27,159 --> 02:16:29,119 Speaker 2: Yes, I have a question or. 2457 02:16:30,760 --> 02:16:35,559 Speaker 3: Cheology of what's the difference between is I'm a. 2458 02:16:35,559 --> 02:16:40,399 Speaker 28: Gunning the Christian goal because our friend, he usually perverted 2459 02:16:40,520 --> 02:16:45,639 to big Wall and me have a conversation. 2460 02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:49,799 Speaker 3: Or talk about the debates Christians and debases. 2461 02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:54,200 Speaker 19: I yeah, all they argue, well, we both believe in. 2462 02:16:54,239 --> 02:16:57,559 Speaker 6: The same I was like, right, well that's not obviously 2463 02:16:57,639 --> 02:17:01,079 not Drew. So the key is here, as Muslims do 2464 02:17:01,200 --> 02:17:04,159 not believe in the Trinity. Muslims don't believe that Allah 2465 02:17:04,239 --> 02:17:07,760 has any sons. Jesus is the son of God. Jesus 2466 02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:11,000 came to make us sons of God. So clearly two 2467 02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:14,040 different gods. Jesus said, God is his father, so that's 2468 02:17:14,239 --> 02:17:16,719 not the God of Islam, who has no sons. So 2469 02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:19,559 that's the key difference. No trinity and no deed of Christ, 2470 02:17:19,799 --> 02:17:22,959 no saving work of Christ, no death or resurrection of Christ. 2471 02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:27,959 It saves you. That's the key difference. Yep, excellent, Parker, 2472 02:17:28,879 --> 02:17:31,040 what's up. We're looking for Muslims who want to It's 2473 02:17:31,079 --> 02:17:33,559 not I'm not mad at that guy for asking question, 2474 02:17:33,639 --> 02:17:37,479 but it's we're looking for Islamic arguments. Parker, what's up? 2475 02:17:38,360 --> 02:17:42,040 Speaker 3: But hey, guys, how you doing wonderful. 2476 02:17:42,680 --> 02:17:46,440 Speaker 31: Hey, real quick, I wanted to first follow me kind 2477 02:17:46,440 --> 02:17:50,959 of you know, induce myself real quick, huge fan. Been 2478 02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:53,559 following you for a while, but I love that you're, 2479 02:17:54,120 --> 02:17:57,479 you know, out there preaching the truth against uh, this, 2480 02:17:57,719 --> 02:17:58,360 this religion. 2481 02:17:58,840 --> 02:17:59,360 Speaker 17: I have a question. 2482 02:17:59,440 --> 02:18:02,159 Speaker 31: I've been engaged with Muslims for quite a while here 2483 02:18:02,319 --> 02:18:06,719 now on on spaces, and obviously I'm not as well 2484 02:18:06,799 --> 02:18:08,920 versed in the Quran as as you have been. 2485 02:18:10,920 --> 02:18:13,239 Speaker 3: How do you I'm sorry I didn't hear you all 2486 02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:14,239 all the what say it again? 2487 02:18:14,680 --> 02:18:16,280 Speaker 31: I said, I'm not as well versed in the Koran 2488 02:18:16,360 --> 02:18:19,319 as as you are, obviously, but I had a question, 2489 02:18:19,360 --> 02:18:22,200 because we get we get this a lot. Is it 2490 02:18:22,399 --> 02:18:25,639 wrong for me to say when a Muslim says, you know, hey, 2491 02:18:25,680 --> 02:18:28,120 we believe in you know, we believe. 2492 02:18:27,920 --> 02:18:30,079 Speaker 3: In that Jesus is coming back to judge us. 2493 02:18:30,239 --> 02:18:33,680 Speaker 31: Right to my understanding, if a Muslim is trying to 2494 02:18:33,799 --> 02:18:36,440 make friends with someone who is actively committing shook, right, 2495 02:18:36,959 --> 02:18:37,399 like that's the. 2496 02:18:37,479 --> 02:18:40,159 Speaker 3: Number one, that's like the most unforgivable sin in Islam. 2497 02:18:40,520 --> 02:18:43,879 Speaker 31: Yes, So if they're doing that, does that not make them, 2498 02:18:43,959 --> 02:18:45,600 according to Islam, a bad Muslim? 2499 02:18:45,680 --> 02:18:48,000 Speaker 3: That's part number one, Part number Two. 2500 02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:49,799 Speaker 19: How far af. 2501 02:18:49,719 --> 02:18:53,639 Speaker 3: Fetched is it to call Islam a pagan religion? 2502 02:18:53,840 --> 02:18:56,559 Speaker 31: Because I in my beliefs, you know, as a Christian, 2503 02:18:56,920 --> 02:18:58,719 I look at what they practice, I look at what 2504 02:18:58,799 --> 02:18:59,040 they do. 2505 02:19:00,360 --> 02:19:03,120 Speaker 3: There's this some rituals they do, you. 2506 02:19:03,159 --> 02:19:04,959 Speaker 31: Know, they remind me of kind of what the profits 2507 02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:07,200 of bail were doing in the Old Testament when Ezekiel was, 2508 02:19:07,360 --> 02:19:09,639 you know, calling down fire, they were slicing their heads. 2509 02:19:13,079 --> 02:19:13,440 Speaker 6: That's right. 2510 02:19:13,479 --> 02:19:15,600 Speaker 31: I'm sorry, Eligi, I'm sorry, I got I got my 2511 02:19:15,639 --> 02:19:18,879 problems to me saying yes, you know, the the uh, 2512 02:19:19,760 --> 02:19:24,799 the paganistic you know, uh rituals that I see in Islam. 2513 02:19:24,879 --> 02:19:27,479 I cannot help, you know, worshiping the rock, the rocket 2514 02:19:27,520 --> 02:19:30,840 that's supposedly gonna forgive them with their sins. Why are 2515 02:19:30,920 --> 02:19:34,159 we not as Christians able to call out Islam as 2516 02:19:34,200 --> 02:19:35,079 a pagan religion? 2517 02:19:35,239 --> 02:19:36,440 Speaker 3: And why are we scared to do it? 2518 02:19:36,520 --> 02:19:39,360 Speaker 18: And I don't know, I know, I know. 2519 02:19:39,479 --> 02:19:39,840 Speaker 2: Oh I know. 2520 02:19:39,959 --> 02:19:42,479 Speaker 31: And that's why I love watching your videos, brother, I 2521 02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:43,639 really do appreciate it. 2522 02:19:44,079 --> 02:19:45,920 Speaker 3: Again, I'm mute out, but I'll let you take the 2523 02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:48,639 poor I'm sorry if you want to add anything before 2524 02:19:48,639 --> 02:19:49,600 I do, or whatever you want to do. 2525 02:19:50,200 --> 02:19:53,719 Speaker 6: I mean, I mean this is I don't have any problem. 2526 02:19:53,840 --> 02:19:56,799 You know, you're the expert subject matter expert here. What 2527 02:19:56,879 --> 02:19:58,959 are they? What are some of the reasons why you 2528 02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:00,440 would call Islam pagan? 2529 02:20:01,159 --> 02:20:06,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, number one, my fundamental problem with Islam 2530 02:20:06,520 --> 02:20:09,319 is the fact that what you said earlier, the God 2531 02:20:09,360 --> 02:20:12,000 of Islam is not the God of the scriptures, not 2532 02:20:12,159 --> 02:20:15,440 the God of the Church, the Trian God. So that's 2533 02:20:15,719 --> 02:20:19,319 the most obvious, glaring contradiction. It claims to be the 2534 02:20:19,399 --> 02:20:22,760 same God that sent the prophets of the Bible, sent 2535 02:20:22,959 --> 02:20:25,559 Jesus and as followers, and it's not so that right 2536 02:20:25,639 --> 02:20:28,000 there is a deal breaker for me. All of the 2537 02:20:28,079 --> 02:20:30,200 kron is not the God of the Hebrew Scriptures, not 2538 02:20:30,280 --> 02:20:33,680 the God of New test Now. I'm actually more consistent 2539 02:20:33,719 --> 02:20:36,879 than some Christians. I actually don't think that the God 2540 02:20:36,920 --> 02:20:41,040 of Rabbinic Judaism is the God of the Bible. I'm 2541 02:20:41,079 --> 02:20:43,600 actually more consistent than some Christians will say that Allah 2542 02:20:43,639 --> 02:20:47,520 is a pagan deity. Whereas the Jews, Rabbinic Jews, I'm 2543 02:20:47,520 --> 02:20:49,040 not talking about the Jews that are not religious who 2544 02:20:49,040 --> 02:20:51,200 don't know any better. Like Tovia's singer, well. 2545 02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:52,000 Speaker 25: His God is my God. 2546 02:20:52,120 --> 02:20:56,520 Speaker 3: No Tovias singer worships the false God. Rabbinic Judaism is 2547 02:20:57,799 --> 02:21:01,639 a perversion of Gnostisism them you name it combined. Now 2548 02:21:01,680 --> 02:21:06,479 with that said, so that's the number one major fundamental difference. 2549 02:21:06,799 --> 02:21:10,559 Their God is not my God. Secondly, it's not it'steeped 2550 02:21:10,600 --> 02:21:13,280 in paganism. It comes out of paganism. If I go 2551 02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:17,680 with the Muslim sources, and I accept that the Muslim 2552 02:21:17,719 --> 02:21:25,479 sources give me some historical facts regarding the situation of Muhammad, 2553 02:21:25,479 --> 02:21:28,239 because you have revisionists who say, well, the moment of 2554 02:21:28,360 --> 02:21:31,120 later tradition is not the Muhammad of the seventh century 2555 02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:33,120 and that's all forgeries. All right, Well, if you take 2556 02:21:33,200 --> 02:21:37,239 that position, fine, But if I take Muslim sources seriously, 2557 02:21:37,959 --> 02:21:42,959 the Muslim sources admit that the Kaba was the shrine 2558 02:21:43,159 --> 02:21:47,000 for Hubang or Hubble. I don't want to belabor the point. 2559 02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:48,680 I want to be sensitive to your time. So let 2560 02:21:48,719 --> 02:21:51,879 me know when you want to wind in down Hubble 2561 02:21:52,079 --> 02:21:54,600 or Hubog. This isn't the Muslim sources. You'll find in 2562 02:21:54,680 --> 02:22:00,879 Ebneskaki and Sunni Muslims know this. They know I'm not lying. Hubble. Now, 2563 02:22:00,959 --> 02:22:04,959 Hubal was called the Lord of Mecca. He was the 2564 02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:07,680 lord of the Kaba, and the Muslim sources say that 2565 02:22:07,879 --> 02:22:12,280 Muhammad's own family, his tribe, the christ tribe, right his 2566 02:22:12,479 --> 02:22:16,799 own clan, worshiped Hubble and prayed to Hubble or Hubal. 2567 02:22:17,479 --> 02:22:19,719 Hubble was the chief deity. Now we have a problem. 2568 02:22:20,239 --> 02:22:23,239 If anyone knows about anything about paganism, and Jay would know. 2569 02:22:24,159 --> 02:22:26,920 Usually when you have a shrine, a shrine is built 2570 02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:28,319 to one of the gods. 2571 02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:30,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. 2572 02:22:30,159 --> 02:22:31,600 Speaker 3: You can correct me on the j Are you aware 2573 02:22:31,600 --> 02:22:35,639 of any shrine built by Pagans for two gods at 2574 02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:42,079 the same time where that so, Usually a shrine will 2575 02:22:42,120 --> 02:22:44,319 be built for Zeus or Diana, but not both. That 2576 02:22:44,399 --> 02:22:47,159 doesn't mean they didn't honor the other gods. But this shrine, 2577 02:22:47,479 --> 02:22:50,959 this temple is dedicated to Zeuz. Well, the Muslim sources 2578 02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:56,600 say the Kaba was built for Hubble Hubal Hubal was 2579 02:22:56,680 --> 02:22:59,520 a moon deity. This is all from Muslim sources. I'm 2580 02:22:59,559 --> 02:23:03,239 not making I've documented it from Muslim sources as well 2581 02:23:03,280 --> 02:23:04,600 as Islamic scholars. 2582 02:23:04,600 --> 02:23:04,879 Speaker 6: Today. 2583 02:23:05,079 --> 02:23:10,600 Speaker 3: Hubble was the moon deity because the chief god Hubble 2584 02:23:11,079 --> 02:23:13,840 would have a planet identified with him. This is how 2585 02:23:13,879 --> 02:23:17,399 the Pagans work. Fertility gods and goddesses as well as 2586 02:23:17,479 --> 02:23:20,520 astral worship, and the planets would be associated with one 2587 02:23:20,559 --> 02:23:23,319 of the gods or goddesses. So the moon god was 2588 02:23:23,440 --> 02:23:26,760 considered the male deity. Why sorry, I don't want to 2589 02:23:26,760 --> 02:23:28,159 bore you guys with the details, but I'm going to 2590 02:23:28,239 --> 02:23:30,840 show you where I'm going with this. The word for 2591 02:23:31,079 --> 02:23:35,159 moon in arab is Almara almar is a masculine noun. 2592 02:23:35,760 --> 02:23:39,079 Because they are patriarchal society, the chief god has to 2593 02:23:39,159 --> 02:23:42,280 be a male deity. So the moon was identified with 2594 02:23:42,680 --> 02:23:47,559 Hubal Hubble, that was his planet, his sign, so he 2595 02:23:47,760 --> 02:23:51,280 was the moon god. Now why is that interesting? Because 2596 02:23:51,319 --> 02:23:55,479 the Muslim sources say that the idol of Hubble was 2597 02:23:55,680 --> 02:24:02,479 imported from the Moabites. It was actually imported by an 2598 02:24:02,520 --> 02:24:07,600 Arab name Ahmer Ebin Luei or Luei. He actually went 2599 02:24:07,639 --> 02:24:12,399 to the levant Syria area Jordan, and he picked up 2600 02:24:12,559 --> 02:24:16,040 the idol worshiped by the Moabites, and he brought it 2601 02:24:16,200 --> 02:24:20,479 to Arabia cordium of Muslim sources, and he made Hubble 2602 02:24:20,559 --> 02:24:23,120 the chief god. Now, if anyone knows their history, the 2603 02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:27,799 chief god of the Mobites was Bail Baal. This is 2604 02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:31,319 why many scholars believe the word who Bal is an 2605 02:24:31,440 --> 02:24:36,639 Arab sized bastardization of the word ha baal he Brew. 2606 02:24:36,840 --> 02:24:40,479 The bail or is actually Arabic vet he is bail. 2607 02:24:41,159 --> 02:24:45,959 So Islam is centered in bail worship. Bah al worship. 2608 02:24:46,600 --> 02:24:50,879 It stems from Badalism. It is a form of bail worship. 2609 02:24:51,159 --> 02:24:52,959 And if we read the Bible, one of the names 2610 02:24:53,000 --> 02:24:58,040 of Satan is Belyle. One of his names is Balzibub. 2611 02:24:58,159 --> 02:25:00,639 That's what our word tells us. So it's is centered 2612 02:25:00,680 --> 02:25:04,200 in paganism, and it's centered and bow worship, and ball 2613 02:25:04,360 --> 02:25:06,120 is identified with Lucifer or Satan. 2614 02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:13,280 Speaker 31: I never knew that connection. That is it's wild because 2615 02:25:13,440 --> 02:25:15,719 you know, like I said, just kind of what I've seen. 2616 02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:17,920 I made the connection with bail, but I never knew 2617 02:25:18,440 --> 02:25:21,879 that there was that physical connection from these cultures. 2618 02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:23,120 Speaker 6: That is shocking. 2619 02:25:24,639 --> 02:25:26,159 Speaker 3: And by the way, let me add sort of how 2620 02:25:26,159 --> 02:25:27,920 do we know it's pagan The Muslims will tell you 2621 02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:31,399 that the Pagans would run around the kaba, circumambulate the 2622 02:25:31,479 --> 02:25:36,000 kaba to off counterc clockwise seven times. They admit this. 2623 02:25:36,600 --> 02:25:39,239 They also admit that the Pagans would run between the 2624 02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:42,159 two hills sef On Morua seven times, and they would 2625 02:25:42,200 --> 02:25:45,280 throw seven stones. That this is Muslim sources. Now here's 2626 02:25:45,319 --> 02:25:49,639 what's interesting. As I've documented from Muslim sources, I didn't 2627 02:25:49,680 --> 02:25:54,040 make this up. At that time, the Arabs thought there 2628 02:25:54,040 --> 02:25:56,920 were seven planets, Sun and Moon and five others, and 2629 02:25:57,040 --> 02:26:01,280 each planet represented a deity. So they ran around the 2630 02:26:01,399 --> 02:26:04,559 shrine seven times in honor for each god and goddess. 2631 02:26:04,600 --> 02:26:08,959 That's why they did it seven times. So that's also paganism, 2632 02:26:09,000 --> 02:26:12,440 because the Muslims now have adopted that pagan practice. They 2633 02:26:12,559 --> 02:26:15,079 run around the Kappa seven times, they run between the 2634 02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:17,920 two hills, suffer the mantowas seven times, they throw seven 2635 02:26:17,959 --> 02:26:20,520 stones at But you asked them why, they said, well, 2636 02:26:20,680 --> 02:26:25,120 Ishmael and Abraham were the ones who instituted these rights 2637 02:26:25,159 --> 02:26:31,639 of pilgrimage. There is absolutely no shred of pre Islamic textual, historical, 2638 02:26:31,799 --> 02:26:37,799 archaeological evidence none that Abraham Ishmael ever went to Arabia 2639 02:26:37,959 --> 02:26:41,000 and built a shrine there. But the evidence is clear 2640 02:26:41,200 --> 02:26:45,479 the Pagans did do these things for the seven planetary deities. 2641 02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:48,280 You don't get more pagan than that, especially kissing the Blackstone. 2642 02:26:49,680 --> 02:26:51,760 Speaker 6: Now do we have any Muslims that want to call 2643 02:26:51,799 --> 02:26:54,120 it so this is not Christian time, it was not 2644 02:26:54,360 --> 02:26:58,239 Protestant time. Zeke, thank you for that, Sam, Actually I 2645 02:26:58,239 --> 02:26:58,840 didn't know a lot of that. 2646 02:27:00,159 --> 02:27:01,639 Speaker 3: I'll send you articles later on Skype. 2647 02:27:02,840 --> 02:27:14,440 Speaker 6: What's up, Zeke? I'm mute, Zeke. You want to talk, 2648 02:27:14,479 --> 02:27:18,200 I'm mute. Faithful you want to come up? 2649 02:27:19,319 --> 02:27:22,159 Speaker 32: Yeah, yeah, I just I just chimed in on this 2650 02:27:22,760 --> 02:27:28,159 space real quick, and I'm no Muslim scholar, but damn 2651 02:27:28,479 --> 02:27:32,760 you speak one one word of truth in ninety nine bullshit? 2652 02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:36,559 Speaker 2: Right, nobody? 2653 02:27:36,920 --> 02:27:39,760 Speaker 32: Look, look, look, look, I don't care what little. 2654 02:27:39,600 --> 02:27:42,479 Speaker 6: Psy of your Okay, where's it wrong? What's your argument? 2655 02:27:44,360 --> 02:27:48,200 Speaker 32: We worship the creator, point blank period, The one who 2656 02:27:48,360 --> 02:27:50,639 made us is who Muslims worship? 2657 02:27:51,479 --> 02:27:52,079 Speaker 3: Really call it? 2658 02:27:52,360 --> 02:27:55,159 Speaker 2: You want to call it bs and try to go around. 2659 02:27:54,959 --> 02:27:59,200 Speaker 32: In circles and do this and say that Muslims worship 2660 02:27:59,319 --> 02:28:00,920 whoever made us? 2661 02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:02,280 Speaker 2: How simple? 2662 02:28:02,639 --> 02:28:03,680 Speaker 3: Jesus simple? 2663 02:28:04,040 --> 02:28:04,879 Speaker 2: Is that argument? 2664 02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:06,840 Speaker 3: Okay? Well let me answer you. You want to engage me. 2665 02:28:07,000 --> 02:28:10,479 Jesus made you, so you worship Jesus. We don't believe 2666 02:28:10,520 --> 02:28:12,920 in Jesus is God? No, so then that means my 2667 02:28:13,040 --> 02:28:13,879 God is not your God. 2668 02:28:14,760 --> 02:28:17,399 Speaker 32: Well, because you decided to believe that a human being 2669 02:28:17,559 --> 02:28:22,559 is God, let me tell you if the Qur'an never 2670 02:28:22,760 --> 02:28:23,239 showed up. 2671 02:28:23,600 --> 02:28:25,360 Speaker 3: If the Qur'an never showed up. 2672 02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:29,760 Speaker 33: And said that much more Jesus is not God, then 2673 02:28:29,879 --> 02:28:31,799 maybe we could fall under that and say, hey, you know, 2674 02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:36,280 based on the Bibles, we can't believe that Jesus is God. 2675 02:28:36,520 --> 02:28:37,680 Speaker 3: But even though the Bible never. 2676 02:28:37,639 --> 02:28:39,840 Speaker 6: Says that, actually, you know it says that in every 2677 02:28:39,959 --> 02:28:41,319 chapter of John, are you where of that? 2678 02:28:42,239 --> 02:28:44,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? I want to just you want to preach, You 2679 02:28:44,040 --> 02:28:45,559 can preach, but I want to gage you. Now. You said, 2680 02:28:45,840 --> 02:28:48,479 I believe human is God. But according to your prophet, 2681 02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:53,159 your God is a beardless, truly haired youth who wears 2682 02:28:53,200 --> 02:28:53,840 a red garment. 2683 02:28:54,680 --> 02:28:57,360 Speaker 2: We don't where where did you find that in the Koran? Oh? 2684 02:28:57,440 --> 02:28:59,079 Speaker 25: You want to just go with the Koran, so you 2685 02:28:59,159 --> 02:29:04,520 don't follow tell me in the Koran the Quran. The 2686 02:29:04,639 --> 02:29:08,159 Koran is the text, the Quran is the is the 2687 02:29:08,280 --> 02:29:09,319 word of text. 2688 02:29:11,479 --> 02:29:11,600 Speaker 2: Or not? 2689 02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:13,479 Speaker 3: Why can't you answer the question? 2690 02:29:13,559 --> 02:29:15,760 Speaker 2: Do you follow krown a own or the give give 2691 02:29:15,799 --> 02:29:16,239 me Kuran? 2692 02:29:16,280 --> 02:29:17,319 Speaker 25: I told you I'm not a scholar. 2693 02:29:17,559 --> 02:29:19,680 Speaker 6: I can't sid It doesn't matter whether your scholar or not. 2694 02:29:19,799 --> 02:29:20,360 What do you follow? 2695 02:29:21,399 --> 02:29:23,239 Speaker 25: I want you to tell me in the Kuran? 2696 02:29:23,559 --> 02:29:26,559 Speaker 12: Where does God tell you that he has this red 2697 02:29:26,680 --> 02:29:29,040 roban and curly hair and all this nonsense. 2698 02:29:29,239 --> 02:29:31,520 Speaker 3: Can I now bury you in your argument, because if 2699 02:29:31,600 --> 02:29:33,079 you want to go with the Koran, how do you 2700 02:29:33,200 --> 02:29:35,799 justify the kron? How do you know the Koran was 2701 02:29:35,879 --> 02:29:38,079 given through Mohammed? Where does the Koran show you that 2702 02:29:38,200 --> 02:29:41,040 the entire one hundred fourteen chapters were sent from a 2703 02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:43,680 law and only one hundred fourteen chapters and they're recited 2704 02:29:43,719 --> 02:29:45,280 by Muhammad? Prove that from the Koran? 2705 02:29:47,000 --> 02:29:48,280 Speaker 2: He tells us that in the Koran? 2706 02:29:48,319 --> 02:29:50,840 Speaker 3: Where does the kron tell you one hundred fourteen chapters 2707 02:29:51,200 --> 02:29:53,639 make up the Koran and they were transmitted through Muhammed? 2708 02:29:55,760 --> 02:29:59,000 Speaker 25: The Quran tells us that that a law spoke and 2709 02:29:59,159 --> 02:30:01,000 he did profitable. 2710 02:30:01,440 --> 02:30:03,840 Speaker 6: Where does tell you specifically. 2711 02:30:03,280 --> 02:30:08,360 Speaker 3: That Muhammad never spoke? Or at the times you Mohammad 2712 02:30:08,360 --> 02:30:09,079 mentioned in the Koran? 2713 02:30:10,399 --> 02:30:11,600 Speaker 2: Not that many times? Actually? 2714 02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:15,440 Speaker 3: Okay, so four times apart from those four references, how 2715 02:30:15,479 --> 02:30:18,879 do you know and all the other times where the 2716 02:30:18,920 --> 02:30:20,319 name of Muhammad does not appear? 2717 02:30:22,040 --> 02:30:25,120 Speaker 32: You do you do realize that just this Mohammad, You 2718 02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:28,159 do realize that Prophet Muhammad was the one narrating this Koran? 2719 02:30:28,280 --> 02:30:28,399 Speaker 2: Right? 2720 02:30:28,440 --> 02:30:31,479 Speaker 6: So how do you know what is the justification for that? 2721 02:30:31,559 --> 02:30:32,079 How do you know that? 2722 02:30:33,079 --> 02:30:35,719 Speaker 3: Have you, guys even read the Koran? Can you answer 2723 02:30:35,799 --> 02:30:36,159 the question? 2724 02:30:36,520 --> 02:30:38,200 Speaker 2: Have you ever read the Koran? Or you just talking? 2725 02:30:38,319 --> 02:30:40,520 Speaker 3: Yes? Whenever I go to the toilet, I use the 2726 02:30:40,600 --> 02:30:45,200 Koran and if I run law question, I'll talk. 2727 02:30:45,239 --> 02:30:46,079 Speaker 2: For shame on you. 2728 02:30:46,920 --> 02:30:48,200 Speaker 6: You can you answer the question? 2729 02:30:49,000 --> 02:30:50,200 Speaker 2: Listen to this, Listen to this. 2730 02:30:50,319 --> 02:30:51,360 Speaker 3: This is very simple. 2731 02:30:51,840 --> 02:30:54,239 Speaker 6: So you can't answer. So you can't answer it. You 2732 02:30:54,319 --> 02:30:54,799 can't ask it. 2733 02:30:54,920 --> 02:30:55,680 Speaker 25: I can't answer. 2734 02:30:56,040 --> 02:30:56,719 Speaker 6: You can't know that. 2735 02:30:56,840 --> 02:30:58,840 Speaker 2: You guys have your mindset on something that you. 2736 02:30:58,840 --> 02:31:02,239 Speaker 6: Can't answer, right, So there's no answer exactly. He just 2737 02:31:02,319 --> 02:31:04,440 wants to talk. Go ahead. The next one, we got 2738 02:31:04,440 --> 02:31:16,879 another Musland. What's up? Go ahead? Have you even read 2739 02:31:17,559 --> 02:31:19,680 have you even read Bubin? Have you even read babe? 2740 02:31:20,200 --> 02:31:23,000 Speaker 3: Exactly? I don't worry when I whenever I'm bored, I 2741 02:31:23,040 --> 02:31:25,440 go to the toilet and I read the go ahead 2742 02:31:26,399 --> 02:31:29,600 translation of my user as toilet paper. Sorry, Muslims, assume me. 2743 02:31:29,719 --> 02:31:30,440 Speaker 2: I know you're upset. 2744 02:31:32,920 --> 02:31:36,079 Speaker 6: Yeah, you're up? Go ahead? Oh wife? 2745 02:31:37,920 --> 02:31:38,920 Speaker 18: Yeah, guys, how are Yeah? 2746 02:31:40,040 --> 02:31:40,399 Speaker 6: What's up? 2747 02:31:41,719 --> 02:31:41,879 Speaker 15: Yes? 2748 02:31:42,200 --> 02:31:42,399 Speaker 6: Mom? 2749 02:31:42,879 --> 02:31:45,879 Speaker 34: I haven't seen anyone that hell more than you, no 2750 02:31:46,200 --> 02:31:47,280 more than Mohammed the. 2751 02:31:47,319 --> 02:31:54,840 Speaker 3: Stoley King pagans to me. You know, I don't listen 2752 02:31:54,879 --> 02:31:56,440 to you because you call me ja doesn't know what 2753 02:31:56,479 --> 02:31:59,319 you call me? Job means I'm making right jehead like 2754 02:31:59,479 --> 02:32:02,360 you're probably it wasn't he ignorant? He was a numi right? Yeah, 2755 02:32:02,399 --> 02:32:06,200 you mean doesn't mean hell No, that means he's he's uneducated. 2756 02:32:06,639 --> 02:32:09,799 So today we call people are educated jah hell meaning idrant. 2757 02:32:10,479 --> 02:32:13,000 So the company I'm like today today? Can you get 2758 02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:14,559 today's today? 2759 02:32:14,680 --> 02:32:14,879 Speaker 2: The key? 2760 02:32:15,520 --> 02:32:17,920 Speaker 3: This man? Why didn't you pray for India? Okay? What's 2761 02:32:17,959 --> 02:32:20,680 your objection? I'm not from India, bro Okay, where are 2762 02:32:20,719 --> 02:32:23,000 you from? I love your Actually pray for India? Okay, 2763 02:32:23,040 --> 02:32:26,920 God Pakistan even better? But was in Pakistan part of 2764 02:32:26,959 --> 02:32:28,760 India and you Muslim stole it like you saw most 2765 02:32:28,760 --> 02:32:31,959 of the lands of the Yeah, you you want to talk. 2766 02:32:32,719 --> 02:32:33,520 Speaker 6: You have an argument? 2767 02:32:35,319 --> 02:32:37,639 Speaker 3: Yeah? If it isn't the argument like I will present it. 2768 02:32:39,040 --> 02:32:43,120 Speaker 32: Yeah, he's homin on from the Okay, what's your argument? 2769 02:32:44,319 --> 02:32:47,760 Speaker 3: He's a that hormone against humanity. Get to the point. Okay, 2770 02:32:48,200 --> 02:32:51,840 if you just stop the argument, not protect me. You've 2771 02:32:51,879 --> 02:32:55,719 been making it herman against me hill? Okay, what's your 2772 02:32:55,959 --> 02:32:58,559 if I would make a good hominem. Then I would 2773 02:32:58,799 --> 02:32:59,120 quote you. 2774 02:32:59,760 --> 02:33:02,559 Speaker 6: I know you could. We know what's your argument? 2775 02:33:02,680 --> 02:33:04,719 Speaker 2: When she took seven is just big? 2776 02:33:05,159 --> 02:33:08,559 Speaker 6: Yeah, they're really good argument. 2777 02:33:08,920 --> 02:33:11,399 Speaker 3: You might like this, what, Muhamma, do you write the 2778 02:33:11,479 --> 02:33:16,959 pony seven inch poonty? They took the stones from man? 2779 02:33:17,000 --> 02:33:19,120 I like this? You like to write the rony pony? 2780 02:33:19,159 --> 02:33:19,319 Speaker 5: Man? 2781 02:33:19,399 --> 02:33:20,000 Speaker 2: Why you're like this? 2782 02:33:20,200 --> 02:33:21,280 Speaker 3: Jay? Why are you doing it to me? 2783 02:33:21,399 --> 02:33:21,559 Speaker 1: Man? 2784 02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:27,680 Speaker 6: They took the stones from anyone? Does anyone saying Temple 2785 02:33:27,680 --> 02:33:28,000 of Doom? 2786 02:33:28,959 --> 02:33:31,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're hurting my feelings. I'm about to lose leep tonight. 2787 02:33:32,000 --> 02:33:38,959 Speaker 6: Know what's up? They took shivalinga. 2788 02:33:40,159 --> 02:33:40,360 Speaker 15: Like this? 2789 02:33:40,600 --> 02:33:40,760 Speaker 5: Man? 2790 02:33:40,799 --> 02:33:42,079 Speaker 3: You're sure now she blandly? 2791 02:33:42,159 --> 02:33:42,879 Speaker 2: You're very weary. 2792 02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:44,319 Speaker 3: Don't do my landry. 2793 02:33:46,559 --> 02:33:47,680 Speaker 6: T G what's up? Man? 2794 02:33:52,559 --> 02:33:52,760 Speaker 3: Hello? 2795 02:33:53,159 --> 02:34:00,120 Speaker 14: Yeah, yes, sir, Hello, I'm gonna collect to be in 2796 02:34:00,239 --> 02:34:05,440 your life today. It's some months, like a few months. 2797 02:34:05,559 --> 02:34:12,840 I'm listening to Shams Sam Sam salmons. Okay, yeah, sorry, 2798 02:34:14,680 --> 02:34:19,280 I'm Muslim and the price God. Now it's six years 2799 02:34:19,360 --> 02:34:24,959 and I given baptized by the Church. And because I 2800 02:34:25,040 --> 02:34:30,079 have very hard experiences in Islam, because my father was 2801 02:34:30,159 --> 02:34:33,920 Sunni and my mother was Shere, I have pretty much 2802 02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:39,559 experiences in being lost in Islam and gone to the 2803 02:34:39,680 --> 02:34:45,280 autist and seek for truth and after that finding finding Jesus. 2804 02:34:46,040 --> 02:34:49,559 It's very sweet for me to share with you some 2805 02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:57,760 other contradictions which you didn't mention. Sam as your as 2806 02:34:57,840 --> 02:35:05,280 your as my teachers like to remind notified something fight too, 2807 02:35:06,719 --> 02:35:11,239 can I what was it? Sorry for my bad English, 2808 02:35:12,879 --> 02:35:17,280 but I would like to notify some other contradiction. 2809 02:35:16,799 --> 02:35:20,120 Speaker 3: Which let me say that your English is better than 2810 02:35:20,159 --> 02:35:20,840 all Arabic. 2811 02:35:21,079 --> 02:35:26,600 Speaker 14: So thank you very much for the first you you 2812 02:35:26,760 --> 02:35:32,440 told the guys before me, which Allah is not our God. Yes, 2813 02:35:33,040 --> 02:35:35,840 as you told yes about our God. And I made 2814 02:35:35,879 --> 02:35:40,840 a post about that which in the Old Testament and 2815 02:35:40,959 --> 02:35:46,879 New Testament, God rebins himself and names himself to Moses, Moses, 2816 02:35:47,639 --> 02:35:52,319 Abraham and other people who ask who are asking their 2817 02:35:52,399 --> 02:35:57,040 name as Yahua. And as we know, God is not 2818 02:35:57,159 --> 02:36:01,959 affected by time. And from here he was able to 2819 02:36:02,079 --> 02:36:05,079 tell them, my name is Yahoa, but you shall. 2820 02:36:05,440 --> 02:36:06,639 Speaker 3: Call my name as Alah. 2821 02:36:07,280 --> 02:36:15,280 Speaker 14: So yeah, if our God was all Llah, so he 2822 02:36:15,360 --> 02:36:19,159 would tell this to other people in before in past 2823 02:36:19,280 --> 02:36:23,479 in Old Testament, my name is Yahoa, but you shall 2824 02:36:23,680 --> 02:36:26,959 call my name as Allah or something else. But he 2825 02:36:27,079 --> 02:36:31,600 specifically told them my name is yohoa, and you shall 2826 02:36:31,799 --> 02:36:35,440 call my name forever and ever by this name. So 2827 02:36:35,920 --> 02:36:38,760 this is a sign which you can. 2828 02:36:38,799 --> 02:36:40,799 Speaker 3: I give you some pushbacks so you use better arguments 2829 02:36:40,799 --> 02:36:42,040 because I know how they're going to respond. 2830 02:36:43,719 --> 02:36:44,639 Speaker 2: I am not arguing you. 2831 02:36:47,079 --> 02:36:48,559 Speaker 3: I know I'm trying to help you. Your argument is 2832 02:36:48,639 --> 02:36:52,079 not to help you, try to help you. You're young. 2833 02:36:52,280 --> 02:36:54,520 I know you think these are good arguments. But because 2834 02:36:54,639 --> 02:36:57,120 I've dealt the Muslims, I know how they're going to respond. 2835 02:36:57,239 --> 02:37:00,600 So the word yahoa, that's in the Hebrew Old Testament. 2836 02:37:00,680 --> 02:37:04,520 Speaker 6: Right, go ahead. I muted him. 2837 02:37:04,520 --> 02:37:07,799 Speaker 3: I muted his go ahead, yeah, yeah, So that's in 2838 02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:09,600 the Hebrew Testament because I'm trying to let you know 2839 02:37:09,680 --> 02:37:11,520 how they're going to respond, so you can be like 2840 02:37:11,600 --> 02:37:14,360 a chess player several moves in advance ahead of them. 2841 02:37:14,760 --> 02:37:16,920 So the word yeahoa is in the Hebrewal Testament. 2842 02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:22,079 Speaker 6: Right, I muted at him. Go ahead, you there, Sam, 2843 02:37:22,159 --> 02:37:23,840 you can go ahead. I muted that guy because he 2844 02:37:23,959 --> 02:37:24,440 was kept talking. 2845 02:37:24,520 --> 02:37:27,399 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I didn't know. I thought you said you. 2846 02:37:27,479 --> 02:37:29,200 Speaker 6: Unmuted him, So no, no, I'm muted at him so 2847 02:37:29,239 --> 02:37:30,760 you could talk because he kept talking. 2848 02:37:31,559 --> 02:37:35,120 Speaker 3: Okay, here's the point for everyone. Yes, we know that 2849 02:37:35,239 --> 02:37:37,719 in the Old Testament, the name that God gave is 2850 02:37:38,239 --> 02:37:41,479 what they call the tetragrammaton. Some pronounce it yeahweah yeahaa. 2851 02:37:42,440 --> 02:37:45,440 The only problem is the sharp Muslim will tell you, well, 2852 02:37:45,559 --> 02:37:48,040 in the New Testament, Greek New Testament, because this is 2853 02:37:48,120 --> 02:37:51,079 run brought up against me and other Christians, will say, 2854 02:37:51,559 --> 02:37:54,719 when the Greek New Testament cites passages that have the 2855 02:37:54,760 --> 02:37:59,319 divine name, they'll use the word katie us Greek for Lord. 2856 02:38:00,239 --> 02:38:00,520 Speaker 2: Okay. 2857 02:38:01,120 --> 02:38:04,239 Speaker 3: Now, in the Orthodox Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the 2858 02:38:04,319 --> 02:38:06,440 official Old Testament, and Jay knows this better than me, 2859 02:38:06,600 --> 02:38:09,959 is the septigen translation of the seventy the Greek translation 2860 02:38:10,000 --> 02:38:12,239 of the Old Testament. Well, in the Greek translation of 2861 02:38:12,239 --> 02:38:15,440 the Old Testament, you don't find a form of the 2862 02:38:15,520 --> 02:38:19,959 divine name. In the Greek. It's gid use the word 2863 02:38:20,120 --> 02:38:23,479 well like they're asked me in way Kutias kutiss All right, 2864 02:38:23,879 --> 02:38:28,040 Gidi use Lord, meaning that a sharp Muslim if he's sharp, 2865 02:38:28,120 --> 02:38:31,920 which you're rarely find sharp Muslims. Shabali is sharp. I 2866 02:38:31,920 --> 02:38:33,959 got to give them credit because he studies liberal critical 2867 02:38:34,000 --> 02:38:37,200 scholarship so well. In the New Testament, they use the 2868 02:38:37,280 --> 02:38:41,040 word Lord in place of yahweh Gidi use in place 2869 02:38:41,120 --> 02:38:43,639 of yahweh. Well, in Arabic kron it uses it up 2870 02:38:44,200 --> 02:38:46,159 the Arabic word for lord in place of yahwei. So 2871 02:38:46,280 --> 02:38:48,200 this is how they're going to catch you. So I 2872 02:38:48,280 --> 02:38:49,680 know people think this is a good argument. I'm not 2873 02:38:49,719 --> 02:38:52,760 saying it's bad. But you're gonna have to finesse it, fine, 2874 02:38:52,840 --> 02:38:55,559 tune it to be prepared for that objection. You don't 2875 02:38:55,600 --> 02:38:57,280 want to embarrass yourselves. You want to give the best 2876 02:38:57,399 --> 02:39:00,200 arguments possible. So I muslimill tell you if you are 2877 02:39:00,239 --> 02:39:03,280 okay with the Greek New Testament using the Greek word 2878 02:39:03,360 --> 02:39:06,920 lord as a synonym substitute for yahweh, can you use 2879 02:39:07,000 --> 02:39:09,799 meaning lord? Then that's what Allah does in the Crown. 2880 02:39:10,000 --> 02:39:13,600 He uses it all Lord for Yahweh. Bad argument, but 2881 02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:16,200 nonetheless you got to be prepared for that. That's all 2882 02:39:16,200 --> 02:39:16,760 I wanted to say. 2883 02:39:20,319 --> 02:39:22,280 Speaker 6: Thank you. Let's say next up, do you have any 2884 02:39:22,280 --> 02:39:27,479 more Muslims? I don't see many muslim looking. Let me 2885 02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:29,840 see here. Let's see this guy two witness? What's up? 2886 02:39:30,440 --> 02:39:31,520 Sounds like a total witness? 2887 02:39:34,079 --> 02:39:34,319 Speaker 2: Hello? 2888 02:39:34,719 --> 02:39:38,799 Speaker 6: Yeah, hi j what's up you me? Yeah? 2889 02:39:39,760 --> 02:39:43,280 Speaker 2: Awesome? So my name is Andrew Samuel Posemon. 2890 02:39:43,399 --> 02:39:45,319 Speaker 3: I just wanted to make the funerals. 2891 02:39:45,879 --> 02:39:48,559 Speaker 10: First of all, one of your speakers talked about the 2892 02:39:48,639 --> 02:39:52,040 fact that why we call Jesus as moon if you 2893 02:39:52,159 --> 02:39:54,879 read geness is one, verse sixteen, or if you read 2894 02:39:54,959 --> 02:39:58,959 Matthew four, verse sixteen, or Isaiah nine, I. 2895 02:39:59,040 --> 02:39:59,840 Speaker 3: Think verse four. 2896 02:40:00,399 --> 02:40:02,840 Speaker 34: Uh, that you can see that we are talking about 2897 02:40:03,040 --> 02:40:08,159 our lovely look is lamp. Lamp as the only light 2898 02:40:08,959 --> 02:40:12,000 that rules over the darkness. 2899 02:40:11,840 --> 02:40:16,719 Speaker 10: Of the earth or the Abbees or Apron or Bagua 2900 02:40:16,920 --> 02:40:17,559 or Malcot. 2901 02:40:18,079 --> 02:40:20,559 Speaker 3: And that's why, in fust for this. 2902 02:40:22,639 --> 02:40:24,280 Speaker 6: I can't understand what you're saying. I'm sorry. 2903 02:40:24,520 --> 02:40:27,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess he's a Persian who's maybe a convert, 2904 02:40:27,399 --> 02:40:30,879 but yeah, he said that we call Jesus more. Does 2905 02:40:30,920 --> 02:40:33,360 anyone call Jesus that means sly? 2906 02:40:33,559 --> 02:40:33,959 Speaker 6: What's up? 2907 02:40:36,079 --> 02:40:42,239 Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I just wanted to look him forth and 2908 02:40:42,680 --> 02:40:47,840 helping Christians in general just push forward and be able 2909 02:40:47,879 --> 02:40:50,639 to tools to combat because I've had trouble in the 2910 02:40:50,719 --> 02:40:53,239 past with Muslims. 2911 02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:57,280 Speaker 3: Strength express my path and you know, watching you and 2912 02:40:57,360 --> 02:41:00,479 learning from you has really helped. So thank you and sorry, 2913 02:41:00,479 --> 02:41:01,520 I'm out of Muslim. 2914 02:41:01,319 --> 02:41:04,120 Speaker 6: Too, I appreciate that. 2915 02:41:05,520 --> 02:41:06,079 Speaker 2: Sorry for God. 2916 02:41:06,440 --> 02:41:09,280 Speaker 3: Please, So Jay, if you have no muscles. Brother, I'll 2917 02:41:09,360 --> 02:41:10,840 let you get to you. Maybe you want to discuss 2918 02:41:10,920 --> 02:41:12,760 with Protestants and Catholics. I'll let you be. 2919 02:41:13,719 --> 02:41:15,399 Speaker 6: I'm probably gonna call it a night. I mean, I 2920 02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:17,520 thank you for coming on. I appreciate it. I've been going. 2921 02:41:17,760 --> 02:41:20,239 We've been going for uh yeah, about three hours, so 2922 02:41:20,280 --> 02:41:20,879 I appreciate that. 2923 02:41:21,040 --> 02:41:23,840 Speaker 3: Sam, thank you anytime. Brother, I got you back. When 2924 02:41:23,879 --> 02:41:26,159 it comes to Slim set up that two for two brother. 2925 02:41:26,280 --> 02:41:30,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, we're just waiting on who they want, all right, brother, brother, 2926 02:41:30,520 --> 02:41:31,120 thank you you too. 2927 02:41:31,239 --> 02:41:31,360 Speaker 2: Man. 2928 02:41:31,760 --> 02:41:33,879 Speaker 6: Everybody that's Sam Shumun you can call him over on 2929 02:41:33,959 --> 02:41:36,719 Shimunian channel on YouTube. I'll link his channel here in 2930 02:41:36,719 --> 02:41:43,799 a little bit. Let's see we get some super chats. 2931 02:41:44,040 --> 02:41:46,040 I want to remind everybody that we have a show sponsor, 2932 02:41:46,159 --> 02:41:48,680 which is Chalk dot com, c cho q dot com, 2933 02:41:48,719 --> 02:41:51,159 Helward at to chalk dot com. Right now, use go 2934 02:41:51,200 --> 02:41:53,440 to J fifty to get fifty excuse me, J forty 2935 02:41:53,440 --> 02:41:56,799 four life you forty four percent off those great products 2936 02:41:56,840 --> 02:41:58,879 over there at Chalk Neo Gypsy three dollars. Does the 2937 02:41:59,000 --> 02:42:04,760 Orthodox Sam baptismal regeneration to be immediate? Yes? Why do 2938 02:42:04,840 --> 02:42:08,719 we people struggle after baptism because we are battling the passions. 2939 02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:12,000 Noah M. I bought bitcoin in the recent recent dip. 2940 02:42:12,559 --> 02:42:14,760 Do you think it'll dip again the election? I have 2941 02:42:14,879 --> 02:42:16,840 no idea. I think there's any there's no way to 2942 02:42:17,399 --> 02:42:20,159 predict what's gonna happen with bitcoin. Regive it. Six thirty eight. 2943 02:42:20,200 --> 02:42:23,280 I'm still blocked. I don't remember why or what what 2944 02:42:23,639 --> 02:42:26,159 are you talking about? Blocked on YouTube or Twitter? I'm 2945 02:42:26,200 --> 02:42:29,079 not sure. Thank you, Jay and all the Orthodox friends. 2946 02:42:29,319 --> 02:42:32,760 I recommended that Sam Schumann contact you. Thank you appreciate that. 2947 02:42:32,879 --> 02:42:35,319 Regive itch again. Five dollars. Sam was asking for an 2948 02:42:35,399 --> 02:42:39,520 Orthodox scholar tell them under Sam Philly oquay Orthodox Catholic issues. 2949 02:42:40,200 --> 02:42:42,280 Uh yeah, I'm always open to have that discussion. Also, 2950 02:42:42,399 --> 02:42:46,879 doctor Branton is really good. Play up play at twenty dollars. 2951 02:42:46,959 --> 02:42:48,360 Come on, Jay, we need at least one or two 2952 02:42:48,399 --> 02:42:52,200 yo mama jokes in a debate. I'll have to sit 2953 02:42:52,280 --> 02:42:54,799 and write some good yo mama jokes. Farrella. The second, 2954 02:42:54,879 --> 02:42:57,479 five dollars, Thank you so much, hut. Five dollars. Here's 2955 02:42:57,479 --> 02:43:00,879 a cup of coffee for a Sam cool. Thank you, 2956 02:43:00,959 --> 02:43:03,760 Verrel the second, there's a missing talk on your Yeah, 2957 02:43:03,760 --> 02:43:06,600 I move I removed that talk for various reasons, but 2958 02:43:06,719 --> 02:43:08,399 thank you for that super chat. A cup of coffee 2959 02:43:08,479 --> 02:43:10,159 twenty dollars. Thank you, Jay, I appreciate your work. I 2960 02:43:10,200 --> 02:43:14,799 found orthodoxy through three or four years ago through you. 2961 02:43:15,360 --> 02:43:18,520 Collab with Sam is great. Yeah, he's always welcome to 2962 02:43:18,559 --> 02:43:24,120 hop on. He drops the knowledge bombs. You should team 2963 02:43:24,200 --> 02:43:26,680 up in the future and make a great duo Dad 2964 02:43:26,799 --> 02:43:29,719 show a ten dollars. Would you be open to discussing 2965 02:43:29,760 --> 02:43:32,959 and debating with Warren McGrew? He does idle killer. He's 2966 02:43:33,000 --> 02:43:37,520 an open theist. He espouses a lot of EO doctrines. Well, 2967 02:43:37,559 --> 02:43:39,280 I mean it doesn't like you don't get to do 2968 02:43:39,440 --> 02:43:42,639 like half of them. And open theism is a denial 2969 02:43:42,799 --> 02:43:47,639 of divine omissions. So he says that Christ that could 2970 02:43:47,680 --> 02:43:51,239 have sinned. Paul says that it was impossible for God 2971 02:43:51,319 --> 02:43:54,879 to lie. Christ is a divine person, So no, it's 2972 02:43:54,920 --> 02:43:59,280 not possible for Jesus to do evil. You would only 2973 02:43:59,360 --> 02:44:01,040 think that if you didn't think that he was a 2974 02:44:01,079 --> 02:44:03,440 divine person. If you thought that he was if you 2975 02:44:03,479 --> 02:44:05,639 were an Aran or a Nestorian, there was only a 2976 02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:13,239 way you would think that Jesus could sin. Thank you 2977 02:44:13,360 --> 02:44:14,840 guys for all of that. If you want to get 2978 02:44:14,840 --> 02:44:16,760 my books, you can go to my website Jaysnelsons dot 2979 02:44:16,799 --> 02:44:18,559 com and in the shop you can find the text 2980 02:44:19,040 --> 02:44:23,799 signed copies in the shop and yeah fun wild Night. 2981 02:44:23,879 --> 02:44:24,840 Didn't expect Sammy Shaw