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welcome back, Thanks X.
Speaker 2: It good to be well.
Speaker 1: That's great having you for everyone listening. Marshall was featured
on episode four forty five, and on that episode he
shared some experiences with us about a near you or
here research is Dogmen in Ohio or He described the
dogmen as being almost docile, but since that episode aired,
unfortunately things have taking the change, I guess you could say.
Before we get to that though, For the people who
missed that episode, Marshall, please give us a brief bio
in yourself.
Speaker 2: I'm sixty four years old, a retired body man and painter.
I enjoyed the great outdoors tremendously and I've been a
dog man and bigfoot researcher for about thirty years and
I really enjoy it. It's been a great thirty years.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people who get into this, they
don't last long doing it. The fact that you've done
it for so long. That just tells me you really
know what you're doing out there. Yeah, that's impressive. It
really is, Vick.
Speaker 2: It's about staying safe, and it's about staying focused in
what your objective is when you're out there, and not
to provoke a wild animal into doing something that you
don't want it to do. And what I'm going to
talk about tonight, some of the things that I've witnessed
out there and seen I think is changed the way
these animals have been peaceful, which now seems to be
turning the other direction. And I believe it has to
do a lot with the way people's been out there
and the way they've been basically treating the wildlife out there.
And I've noticed that they're getting more and more aggressive
or protective of that area that I've been researching in.
Speaker 1: That really is a shame. Sounds like it was a
great area to investigate in. But yeah, definitely that's not
the case now. But before we get into that, for
the people who missed episode four forty five, please tell
them about those prior encounters that you talked about on
that show, just if you can breathe over them to
bring us up to speed. That'd be great.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we had the incident where my grandson and
I were chased out when they were hunting or whatever
the situation was, but they never offered to harm us.
And then I've been talking about how docile the animals
had been, and I go out there all the time.
I was able to take photographs and such as all this,
and we were talking also about what would be causing
the animals to be so non aggressive, and so things
have changed now, and that's what I've been going to
bring to light here today, I hope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure sounds like things have changed. But before
we get to that, though, on that episode, you told
us about an encounter you had with something that wasn't
a dog man though, Please tell us about that experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was in Jeffersonville, Indiana. I lived in apartments
that were close to railroad tracks and wood and it
was a real strange, foggy night that night, and I
got up about one something any morning. I can't remember
the exact time now, that I was on the phone
with a friend of mine who has now passed away,
but he was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam and we
were talking and my blinds were vertical and they were
half open. And as I approached it, come into the
livingy from my room and the bedroom light was only
light on, I saw a creature walking by. I had
a tail about three feet long, had a head like
a German shepherd, had humongous shoulders, and built like a weightlift.
I mean really, The back was v'd about i'd say
eight nine feet maybe, and it was a light brown,
but the head was more of a yellow and I
wasn't ready for that. That absolutely terrified me, and so
I pulled a gun and as I told in the
first episode, and go down beside my bedroom. Wintered because
I thought it was going to come around the corner
and come in through the window. Don't because I told
I'd been in the military and the only thing you
remember your training and things like that. But that's basically
what it was. So yeah, it was pretty It was
pretty scary.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it was. I can only imagine what
must have been going through your head that night. That
is intense. And from the way you described it, it
doesn't sound like a normal dog man, but it kind
of checks off a lot of the boxes for still
being a dog man. If you don't think that's what
it was. What do you think it was then?
Speaker 2: Where Wolf? I guess I don't know. It was just
walking down the sidewalk like you wouldn't broad daylight. I mean,
there were lights on, but the fog was so unusual
that night. Vic the big lights that were on the
across the parking lot from the other building, and then
the fog, it just looked like a big white curtain
and this thing stud You couldn't have missed it if
you tried. It's just walking down the sidewalk right in
front of my window.
Speaker 1: I had to be awfully creepy, especially on a fog
night like that.
Speaker 2: It was strange that the thought was really weird. I've
never seen thing like it. It was really strange.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was. If you've had a dog mean
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to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. All right, now that
you've brought us up to speed. Let's talk about these
recent experiences you've had. Please give us every last detail
that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: All right, First of all, you know I told in
the first episode that the interview that I had my
grandkids with me, which I don't do anymore, and my
grandson and I were out and we were walking along
beside the little road deck goes down through the woods
and off to the side of the road in the
bushes there my grandson goes, look that he picked up
a T shirt. This shirt, This shirt wasn't tore by
a human being, it was it was it looked like
it had been clawed off of somebody. It was absolutely shredded,
and it kind of made me, you know, put me
on guard. Like, you know, I know they're out there,
and I've been dealing with them for years, but when
you know, seeing something like this, you can't help but think,
you know, what's going on here, and where are the rangers,
and why isn't you start thinking if they know about
anything like this, why isn't there signs up or something
to warn people. But I think as we go on,
VIC it'll be self explanatory. Some of the other things
that that I'm going to bring out, so if you
don't mind, I'd like to. The t shirt was the
first incident that got us put on guard. The second
was we were out and we were we hiked through
the woods and they love to do that, and we
were hiking through the area that has been the most
sightings since I've been going out there for nearly thirty years,
and we come across the tent thick and the tent
looked newer, but it was smashed to the ground. It
was a large one, and it looked like somebody out
our body was inside the tent, And so I told
my grandkids stay back because I didn't want them to
see that if that's what the case was, some homeless
man or something had died out there. But Vic, that
wasn't the case at all. And so I went over
there and it was water soaked and everything, and I
lifted up where the door was, and I took some
of the tent props and I propped it up and
stick so I could get inside. VIC. Inside of the
tent was all brand new hunting gear, which we calculated
at around seven hundred dollars including the tent. What was
so alarming about it is I noticed that in the
very right hand corner inside the tent, as you would
be facing out, somebody had discharged a twelve gage shotgun
out the door, and the shotgun had discharged the casing
off to the right. And why, the question I asked
is why would somebody be in that tenth to begin
with out there? And second of all, what was he
shooting at me? Knowing the area like I do, I
believed that this gentleman or whoever it was, had spent
the night out there and he was strength you had
been collecting bones. We found a bunch of bones that
the guy had been collecting inside the tent. For what reason,
I don't know, but I have reason to believe that
if those bones had anything to do with the dog
man are at all, or these things, they had caught
him in the mill of the night. He had to
fight his way out, and that's what it looked like.
And with some of the other things that about the
T shirt and now this that it seems that the
dog men are just getting more aggressive. They're not like
they were, They're not at all docile like they were,
And I don't see very many people out there anymore
in this area. Used to see people out walking their
dogs in the afternoon, and met a few friends out there,
made friends, But there's nobody out there. And I noticed
even during hunting season, there weren't that many people out there,
which I find to be unusual. And it's a recreational area.
People getting you know, bring their canoes or however they
and they come down the river, and dog men and
bigfoot of course usually stay around areas that have rivers
or a good water source because as you know, deer
and everything, they got a water and they use that
for honey grounds. But I went back into that area.
I'm going to slip this in between some of the
whatever what I tell you what happened with the rangers,
I begin to go out back into that area again,
and in my opinion, I think that maybe the thing
that happened in the tent, and I think there's been
violence towards these things to the point that I think
they're starting to get either they're getting more aggressive. Either
they could be because of that or because there's other
dog men maybe packs moving into the area. It could
be a thing over territory. I don't know. Being honest,
I'm a truthful man. If I don't know, I don't know,
but everything is pointing to aggression. And to the point
now that I've limited my time going out there, I
don't go out like I did after seeing all this.
I did report what I've been seeing. A man was
out there with two women that are wildlife people that
study wildlife in the area, and you know, I guess
do talents on the animals I see and sign and
so on and so on. But they they told me
the man looked like he was dressed like a ranger,
but I don't think he was. He just belonged to
some other department. But he strictly told me to call
the rangers and tell them what I had told him.
And you know, so the things that I mentioned in
this interview are are enough to make a person understand
that this is not a place that I think they
want to go, and if they if the aggression content
continues to escalate like it is VIC, I don't recommend
anybody going there for their own safety. And this brings
up another discussion point I had talked to you earlier
about these websites and my issue, my reason for being
on if it's okay with VIC is safety and things
I've been seeing it worries me and Vic. You know,
as I said before, the only reason I chose this
chance was because he had a heart for the people,
and I put that on my last comment on the
first interview and I still feel the same, and so
I thought Vic would be the perfect person to do
this with again, and I liked also, if it's okay, Vic,
I appreciate the comments that people said about you and
your show and asking me to come back. I really
appreciate that. But I think people need to understand what
we're dealing with here. This is an animal that was calm,
cool and collective and now is getting on the dangerous side.
And I believe that people have been hurt and there's
nothing being said about it. And as I mentioned a
moment ago about these websites, Vic, I have been watching
some of this stuff and people, these lies creepypasta, as
I heard you say once, are giving people the idea
that Bigfoot and dog Man or pets. That is a
very danger US way of looking at this and saying,
you know, people make up these stories and I know
there's not truth to it because I've been in the
woods with these animals for thirty years. Bigfoot and dog man,
and I've been studying them and I'm very, very honest person.
I do not write to people, And like I said,
I am concerned that if it's not just this area,
but other areas, there's getting more and more of them,
and it could be that there's territorial fights over these
areas that are good hunting grounds, water and such. And
I believe there would be because these things are violent normally,
and either another pack has moved into this area or
they're sick and tired of people. And I guess there
could be. What I said before, it could have to
do with maybe what we talked about people releasing sounds
or what's the word I used before. Well, you know,
I can't think of it off here, but they're releasing
things sound waves and frequencies into the air that could
be causing some of this. And I don't know what
it is, but the whole situation is getting bad. And
that's my point in coming here today and sharing some
of these things with people. Whatever happened to that man
in that tent, because I picked up all the year
and it's fine that they let me keep it, but
the point is that person never came back for it.
And that tent had been in that condition for at
least six months. What it looked like to me, it
would be completely abandoned. This person either didn't make it
out or they ran out and never came back. So
whatever it was, either killed them or it scared them
some bad that they didn't want to come back. And
all of us know that, if it's all right to
say this that sometimes I think the authorities are not
exactly honest when people disappear. I think that some of
the other things I've read seeing on the internet where
officers have told people off to the side what actually
done the killing, I think for reasons of money or whatever,
the reason is, they don't want people to know. And
I think it's important that they should at least post
these areas and let people know that there are dangers there,
because as I said on the first episode, there were
little cameras that were like twenty feet apart. They know
they've got to know about these things. And when I
did contact the rangers, they got very stern about me.
I told them I've been out there for years. I've
seen things out there that people wouldn't believe, and they
got very stern with me and told me that if
I ever see anything else like I have all of
these things that I'm going to tell you that they
need to know. So I told them I would. And
the next thing I'd like to bring up is, this
was kind of unusual. Uh the last time I was
out there and I was on the Blacktop road where
it's I can bring they used to that used to
be an area where they bought out all the they
bought out properties and turned it into a dump and
then they replanted the area and turned it into a
wildlife resource resort or reserve. And that's why, you know,
they turned into a place where people can come out.
And they've got areas where you can't hunt, areas where
you can. And it's the areas where you can't hunt
that are the worst out in this particular area. And
the thing that I'm going to say next is I
must I must have been one of the first people
that came out there after this incident because the person
they were running, they were it looked like they were
you know, I know, detective, but they were running for
their life there. It's what it looked like. The they
were water bottles, brand new ones, like somebody had left
their backpack unzipped and were running. And when they came
out of the wood path, they made a left real fast,
heading toward the parking lot, and there were water bottles,
unopened water bottles. There were like six seven of them,
maybe know strong, for about thirty feet, especially on the
turn where they had came out, and there were a
pair of women's white underwear was hanging on a little
small tree thing that but bushs you make that turns.
So it told me that, you know, probably a bunch
of teenagers were out there messing around, and when they
came out, she must have been carrying her underclothes and
maybe got her pants on it. I don't know, or
she ran out of their naked, but whatever the situation was,
they seen something and whatever they saw terrified him. In
all the years that I've been out there, VIC never
have I seen this, but the things that I've been
seeing and the behavior of these animals, I believe that
they seen a dog man and I think they were
very lucky to get out of there. But they were moving,
they were really moving. And that was the one thing
that because it was so recent and they sent rangers
out there to investigate it, because I left the water bottles.
I didn't touch anything, VIC, except for off the underwear
off the bush with my foot because it kind of
looked bad. But Vic, they went out there right after
I told them to investigate it. But I'm sure you
wouldn't hear anything about it. There's something else that I
would like to bring up that I did bring up
in the first episode, if I may. Out in the
area out east from here to Shaka County, I was
informed by a guy told me that they had somebody
had taken head found an arm and it looked like
the arm of a monkey, and which the reason that
I'm throwing this in it's to prove my point. And
they took it to the ranger station out there, and
they asked them if it would be all right for
us to contact you in a week or so when
you find out what it is. Well, we know it
was a bigfoot arm of a young bigfoot, and the
people had called back to the ranger station a week
later and they simply told them, we don't know what
you're talking about. So after, you know, we had heard
that in the rangers, they had told me that, like
I said, they were alarmed about it. But I don't
look to hear anything back from him, Vic, And like
I was saying, the young people going after that want
to be researchers, and I advised the extreme caution. These
animals are getting very unpredictable. Whether like I said, it's
frequencies are or other animals, other packs that moved in
these areas, I don't know. But all the years I've
been out there, Vic, I have never seen anything like this,
and a change that's so sudden and the behavior is unreal.
It's just unreal. And I want to if it's okay
to you, after I tell this other one here, I'll
go back into that subject if I can. I was
out there a little bit before then the thing with
the water bottles and the couple running out. I went
out there and I had my cameras on, and I
went into the area that I had described before was
a very very very good areas where we were chased
out of and heard the howling, and I went out
there by myself and sat and I sat out there
for about two hours, and I started hearing them coming,
sticks breaking some larger ones. You can tell when they're coming.
They're first they're going to investigating and see what and
who you are. And as I sat there with my cameras,
I noticed to my right and normally they try to
stay right out of side, VIC, but you can't help
but hear them. But they try to stay out of
sight like Bigfoot does, just out of your site range. Well,
this one just messed up a little bit. He was
a little too close. His upper body was completely covered
by brush, but I saw his legs walking and it
was a dog man. It was a dog and I
watched him as they came around, trying to be as
quietly as they possible, but I could hear the sticks breaking.
They completely surrounded me, and I took a photo of
two of them, and my back was to the first
one that I didn't hear anything behind me or anything. VIC.
I don't believe I did, but I was. I had
the video going from over my shoulder because I'd know
from prior dealings with with Bigfoot and such they will
come up behind you. And I was right and it did.
And it was about well, let's say, thirty feet, and
it was looked like a younger one coming up behind me.
He was brown. You can he's perfectly in view, and
he's behind a fallen dead log that didn't have any
leaves on it, that was partially sticking up in the air,
and he had just got to the end of that
and he was looking straight at me. So I had
a forty five on me. And then the second one
that I noticed, not the one that was walking, but
another one, which whether it was the same animal, I
don't know. The legs were going in the same direction,
but it was solid white and it was much bigger
than the one that I had seen coming up behind me,
and I kind of got a feeling that something wasn't right.
And the things that I've been seeing VIC and going
on in there and such as that I started. Instead
of getting that good feeling, I got a little bit afraid.
I sensed that something wasn't right, and knowing what I've
told you so far, it give me good reason to
be and I didn't want to end up a statistic,
so I went ahead and left. So my feeling on
this is VIC it demands some deeper research. I think
it's just getting too dangerous for me. I've been at
it for a long time, and I'm sixty four and
I want to call it a day. I've been around
them for a long time, and they know my smell, Vic,
they knowed me for years. I'm out there quite frequently,
and when I was younger, I was out there every week,
every week, sometimes a couple of times a week, and
so I know good and well they know my sin.
Like I told you, I saw that that one in
the first episode interview that I saw the mother sitting
on a log. She had blue eyes, and she had
pups around her. But she was fall enough away, but
she never bothered me, Vic. She didn't even even act
like she was going to get up. But now, all
of a sudden, I wouldn't want to be in that
predicament again, even as far away as I was, with
the way these animals are acting now, Vicky, I wouldn't
want to be there. I wouldn't want to do it again.
I just wouldn't. Like I said, the reason I would,
I'm doing this is to warn our young people and
a lot of you people that are not very good researchers.
I guess is the word are inexperienced. Be very careful,
be very careful, because it could mean your life. I've
got a pretty good understanding. I'm not out on the internet.
I didn't put up a site I could have. I
could have put photos up that you wouldn't even believe,
but I'm not going to do it because I want
to encourage our young people to end up living a
very short life. Inexperience could mean your death. You're talking
about an animal that's literally capable of ripping you men
from limb without even breaking a sweat. And it's getting
to the point that you know, people go out there
for recreation and they're either being killed or they're running
out of there for their life. And exactly as I
have told you and Dick I liked another episode, all right,
excuse me. Another incident that happened with my granddaughter. She
used to go out. This was the last time she
went out with me. We've been out walking through the
place and had a pretty good day and nothing bothered
us as as usual until we started coming up to
the last hill, which an area that we nicknamed Ambush Alley.
And the reason that we did is the road is
so thin and the woods are so dark and black
on each side. If they're going to get you, that's
where I would think they would get you. And we
started we got about oh fifty feet from entering into
that to get to the vehicle, and we heard that
the off was carrying on right out in front of us,
off into the woods about twelve feet. We had to
get past this thing VIC to get to the car.
So I told Zoe, I said, just just be quiet,
and I let it know that we were there. I
simply said, look, we're just going to her car. Would
need no harm. I just were just leaving and we went.
And as we got beside this thing VIC, it couldn't
have been the more ten or twelve feet to our left,
and my granddaughter happened to she wanted to walk on
that side. So, but if it's going to get us,
it's going to get it. It don't matter what side
you're standing on. But I wanted to get her out
of there. And it just started hailing VIC and she
started shaking like a like a a wet dog and
an ice storm, and she I kept confident her. I said,
so it's gonna be all right, It's not going to
hurt you. And that was the last time she ever
wanted to go out ask the last time I ever
took them. The whole atmosphere of the place is changing
for the worst. So they never went with me again.
But I just want to constantly caution people. I said,
I've read some of the reviews over the last interview
VIC had with me, and people have made a lot
of good comments and a lot of good concerns, and
I appreciated all of them, and I actually answered some
of this. I want everybody to understand this. My motive
been objective for this interview is public safety, and even
to our experienced explorers on this subject, I recommend complete
be on your those be aware of what's around you,
be very aware of what's around you, and don't do
anything stupid to take no chances. People, you know, they
put this stuff on the internet, VIC, like they're puppies
and you can go out there. If people say they
find them and they raise them in this stuff that happens,
you know what, I kind of I don't call anybody
a liar. I wouldn't do that, but I don't believe it.
And I'm going to tell you why. These are pack animals.
They're not going to abandon their young. If one animal
leaves them, the pack is going to take care of them.
And I just don't think that's the case with these animals.
And like I say, wolves take care of their own.
If you ever studied woop behavior, it's something were to
happen to a mother the other females. I believe, if
I understand this correctly, take over mothering that them pups
because they are very wolves. They're very close knit animals,
very close knit, and they're a family. And I'm sorry,
I can't swallow that. I don't swallow that. And I
think some of these things, I'd ask these people if
you're doing that, you might be doing it to make money,
but you could be putting some young person in danger
that believes that stuff, and they go out looking for
these things and they end up in an area like
I'm describing with packs. This could be in very badly
for somebody. This could be very and I'm telling you
from a professional point of view. I have been at
there all these years. I don't understand the change. Whether
people have been shooting at them or whether it's something
like frequency, I don't know, because I was so shocked
and the two years since I did that interview, they
for about a year after that they stayed mellow. Then
all of a sudden, this change I've seen and I
don't understand it that but I want to folks as folks,
and I love people, and I know that's why I
chose this channel. Vic. After I talked to you, you
were all for doing this because I chose Vic to
do these interviews because as I said at the ending
up of the last interview, he's a man as a
heart for the people, and I believe this is a
smart thing to say, and I believe Vic would be
the channel to say it on. It's not because I'm
trying to get him reviews or anything. It's because this
is the truth and the man has a good heart,
and I talked to him about this before I said it.
I'm not running anybody's site down or anything like that,
but I think a lot of it is Creek prepostors.
I heard somebody say before, I don't believe this stuff
that they're even putting out there, and you could be
endangering young people. Young you know, young men take days
and I was a young man at one time. We
all work, and this is something you don't want to
take a day on because you may not live. These
animals are not friendly normally, even like they were with me.
I did not approach them. I did not do that.
I stayed away from them I took pictures from the distance.
I never bothered them. I've been run out of their
areas during either they had young or breeding or they
were hunting, whatever the reason was, and they did they
broke off the chase. But now something's happening, and this
has flipped me around because I was so concerned and
so distraught over how in the world that these animals
before could be so dull, was so nice. I mean,
for what they are, they were not bothering anybody. They
stayed in the mind of their own business. And then
all of a sudden everything flips over and this is
you know, I never got the questions answered on the
first round. It's my curiosity why they were like that.
But now I've got a whole hupan questions now is
why did they turn? That's the whole thing that's just
really I don't understand. I mean, I can't even begin
other than saying this, people have been shooting at them.
Something's turning these animals against people. And normally animals are
not after you unless they're hungry or they feel threatened,
and wolves, when they feel threatened, they could be pretty mean.
And I'll give you an example. My daughter just got
a husky today. This morning. We picked her up. She's
been abused and we're very kind to animals. We took
her in and she bit me on the hand. She
didn't break the skin, but I got too close to
her food and I was warned about this, but she
didn't bite me. She likes me well. She didn't break
the skin, but she got her point. And these dogs
are part of wolf. She's a Siberian husky and these
dog men have a full nature of a wolf. And
they've not been around people. They don't, they don't. They
don't make good pets. Anybody wants to try that one,
you better think of in These animals are not good paths,
and so vic I think it is so important that
this message gets out over the internet to young researchers
and people that like to go in the woods exploring.
I would recommend not to do it in areas at
all like this. I highly recommend if you've got any
feeling at all, follow your instincts. That's what I do,
and my instincts told me the day they circled me
get out, and I listened to them. I'm here today
to tell about it, and I have two photographs from
those animals surrounding me and Vic. They could have killed me,
but I think the only thing that saved me is
that they've known me, they know my sin. But I
was getting the strong feeling that the friendship is ending,
and I don't like I said, I don't know why.
I've never had any issues like this before, but finding
this gear. This man shot his way out of there,
shooting a twelve gay shotgun out the door of your
tent in the middle of the night, because you're not.
Nobody's gonna be out there shooting during the day, because
the rangers to be on him. This was done at night.
That man was out there at night camping out, and
something so horrible happened that he either got killed fighting
his way out or he never came back for his
gear and something terrified him so bad. And all these
things that I'm pointing to you, a shirt that shredded,
women running out with their underwear on, terrified, and the
water bottles scattered for thirty feet thirty yards, whatever it was,
and my granddaughter and I coming out of there with
hearing this thing howling right beside his ten or twelve
feet from us. These are definite warning signs. I believe
that changing. They're changing for the worst. And Vic, I
don't know. I don't. You may have something you want
to add here. After talking to the rangers and seemed
how how stern they were about this and wanting to
know everything that's going on. But here's the thing. They
already knew. They already knew about a lot of this stuff.
And if anybody's ended up that, of course they know
about it. And I had brought something up years ago
about Bigfoot being out there. If they played it off
and they asked if I had pictures and stuff like that,
of course I'm not going to tell him that because
they'd comfiscated them. So listen to everybody out there. Listen, listen,
Please listen to me. Dog If you're researching Bigfoot, dog
Man is out there too, and in this area, they
are there together. And a lot of times people say
Bigfoot saved them from dog Man. I wouldn't count on it.
I wouldn't count on it in this area. I just
I wouldn't try it or any area like it. This.
I believe this should be left to the professionals. If
even then, I believe that they should use extreme caution
and concern before going out in areas like this, don't
go go go with some heavy duty protection. Listen to
your instincts, but this is definitely not for the young
and inexperienced. This is definitely not I plead with them,
please don't do it. These animals will not spare your life.
They won't do it. They're wild and they mean business,
and they're territorial and for whatever reason, if there's another
pact moved in on our territory which caused them to
be like this against humans. Like I said, Vic, there
has been a very people have stopped going out there,
which is so unusual, thirty years going out there, and
I've never seen this before, and I think people are
getting bad feelings or have they seen things. I've seen
a baby bigfoot run on old fords, come out into
the path that was that nothing on fords for about
ten feet and run right back in the woods. And
I wasn't attacked. This was early on when things for friendly.
But now something like that could cost you your life.
Like I said, I'm party Indian and I listened to
my instincts. I'm a kind man. I believe in respecting nature,
and I believe nature is telling you a story, and
if you listen to it, you learn something. Be very
aware of your surroundings. You know. People say that, well,
you know when the birds stop, Yeah, that's probably when
you're about to get it. But when I've been out there,
the birds didn't stop. During the times that they recircling me,
I still heard birds. So I wouldn't bank on that
if I were you. Listen to your instincts that the
Good Lord gave everyone, Listen to them because they will
save your life. An animal trust in those, and we're
nothing but a very intelligent animals. And I think we
need to do the same. I think we need to
follow the example out there. Listen to your instincts and
don't walk over the top of them. I don't, I
don't ever do that. If I told in the first episode,
I told y'all, Vick, I've got out of my truck
and start to go in and I get bad. Something
tell you I can't run go back to my truck.
But strangely enough, I knew something was wrong, but I
didn't feel the urge to leave. But I could tell
by the woods that the woods was telling me a story.
There was the absence of people and the grown up
grass where people usually keep the trample down was gone.
The grass had grown up. And I don't run into
hardly nobody anymore out there. I just I don't want
to say that I know everything that's going on, but
I do use extreme caution. Now. It's shocking to me.
Like I said, they didn't try to kill me. Obviously,
they tried to hurt these people, but they didn't try
to hurt me. And I think that's only because I've
respected it. I respect nature, and nature has respected me back.
But because of the stupid stuff that other people do,
which could be the cause of shooting them or shooting
at them, is going to cause innocent people that are
out there, maybe take a walk that don't know the area,
go out there with children, could cause a bloody disaster
to innocent people that have done nothing wrong. And that's
my point in this interview is to caution people. The
stuff now needs to be left to the professionals and
these internet channels. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
I couldn't believe that the stuff that they put on
there for money you can get somebody killed. And I
would like to say a friendly thing to these people,
if I might please think about if you're not telling
the truth, think about the young people that go in
the woods. Look at these young couple that come tearing
out of there, and I think that that would be
something that would cause people to what if it was
your son or daughter? You know, if we think like
that and have a love for one another and a
deep concern about others, because you may not ever know
till the day of judgment what you caused, and you
may not know that because of your website that somebody
got hurt or killed. You know, these are not these
These are animals that I feel vic should be taken
very seriously, very seriously. And again, your platform is the
one that I believe is the one to use because
of your concerned for people. And I think that we've
spoke about this. I'm not running anybody's website down. I
wouldn't do that. But some of the stuff that I've
seen out there is just pure nonsense and it's dangerous.
It's very dangerous to inexperience researchers. Please people, if you
listen to this, listen to If you want to go
in the woods, that's up to you, that's fine, but
listen to your instincts. If you get the slightest equaling
something is wrong, go back to your vehicle, go back,
don't even go, don't even try it. Good Lord's got
a way to warn you. And as animals trust their instincts.
They don't have a brain like we do. They're not
smart as we are, but they trust their instincts and
that's what keeps them alive. And I do believe Vic
that's what we should do, is trust our instincts in
these situations. Don't listen to what other people tell you.
That make this thing look like it's a puppy in
the park. It's not. And it's Bigfoot's even changing. I've
noticed things about him. But being this is a dog
man interview, I'll keep it with that. But I'm very,
very worried, and I've cut down my visits out there
a lot. I don't go like I did because when
I get out of my vehicle, I feel uneasy, especially
after they surrounded me and I got pictures of it,
and I just I don't recommend people because there's a
reason why, whether it's people shot at them or whatever,
the reason is that they're that these general, these animals
were gentle. Something has turned them against people, against man,
and now we've become a threat all of a sudden,
when that never was the case out here never. So
whatever people are doing, I would recommend they stop it.
If you're out there hunting dog man and you've got
an ekland to shoot them, that suicide. You're not going
to drag a body in alive. You're just not going
to do it. And no doubt, people with families and
children don't do that to your wife and kids. Don't
even take the chance. I know a lot of kids
that have been orphaned and kids that have grown up
without dads. It's not nice, it's not fair to the kid.
And I think as adults, it's time to take this
subject more serious. I think it's time that the warning
bells are wrong. That this is not a walk in
the park or going to pet Mark to pet the puppies.
This is not what this is. Something's happening to these
animals to turn general animals to vicious killers in just
two years. Vic Something is going on, and I would
like to hear people's comments on this, what others think
about this, even researchers, if they've been in similar situations.
I talk about more serious researchers, people that take the
serious and know what they're doing. I would love to
read comments on that, because we owe it to our
fellow man to say things like this warned them because
I got kids, and last thing I would want Vickers
to see one of them ripped apart by something like this.
You know, there wouldn't be enough to put back in
a casket. I mean, this is the reality of it, folks.
This is not I'm a Christian man and I wouldn't lie.
And even with the way I am and with animals
and things, even being part Indian helps me, I'm sure.
And I've never had problems with wild animals before, but
now I am. You know an animal that in an
area I've gone into. I told you I thought I
was going to get my neck broke. I didn't go
to that area a lot, but this area I have
visited weekly for almost thirty years, and I know it.
I know every inch of it. But I'm very Here's
another thing, think Vic. The paths that people used to
take hiking have growed over and game trails have grown over,
and this is the stuff that I've never seen in
thirty years of going out there and I'm just I'm
just overtaken by the change so quickly from from good
to bad, from from this type of protection or being
vicious like they are, and this amount of time, something
has turned them. And you know, people go out there
and mess around and do things in their territory, and
I think it's I think that's why the rangers, I believe,
should put up signs that these you know, there are
animals out here that are vicious, be cautious. They're not
doing it. And if you get killed or nobody gonna
know about it, you just disappeared. And I know that
happens for a fact. Best friends that were comps, I know.
And it's even been on the internet where people that
new police officers after facts that somebody killed by these things,
and they tell their friend, their friend puts it on
the internet. This is stuff they're not allowed to talk about.
That's all over. You could find out just about every
case where it's involved rangers or the law enforcement, they're
not allowed to talk. And I found out that's the
case here. I don't care whether they like this or not.
I've got a love for people, and I love children,
and I don't want to be responsible after knowing this,
and some father go out there, maybe just to walk
around without warning them first, you know, don't go unarmed.
And in this state you can carry without a permit.
I highly recommend you carry something of a high caliber.
And if you're in danger, shoot him in the head,
get aheadshot don't shoot him in the chest because they
ain't can do you any good. And didn't run because
I don't know, Vic, I don't hear people telling people this.
They're not People are not being honest. As a matter
of fact. It's all about money and popularity, and it's
about subscriptions. It's about being on the internet and being heard.
But man, we got to worry about what human beings here.
These are wild animals and the way this inner net
thing is moving, Vic, I'm not killing anybody. I'm not
talking about anybody particular website. I wouldn't do that, That's
not right. But I have seen things that can cause
people to get killed. And I sit and go through
these things all night long. I've said, all night long, Vic,
going from one state one to another, to another to another,
and I've got a very good view and understanding of
what people are doing. Money is not above human life.
It's not. And anybody that thinks like that, you don't care.
They not think you need to get off the internet.
You're going to get somebody killed. I think these animals
deserve respect and a lot of it, and give them
a lot of room. Give them a lot of room.
I mean me going into that area, I admitted I
wanted to see after seeing all this, I wanted to
see their behavior. And I found out they didn't kill me.
But I had a good hard feeling in my heart
not to come back and do this. They let me go, Vic,
They let me go, but that other fellow they didn't.
And I was right there within rocks distance from where
that tent was, sitting on a log, and it was
in the evening. They knew I was there, Vic, their
nose don't lie. They knew I was there. And why
didn't they kill my granddaughter and me when we left.
I think it's because I have been respectful and because
I've been there so long. I believe they let us go.
They let us go. Vic. There's no other way to
look at it, Buddy, they just let us go ten
feet away. It's not they're gonna get you. They're gonna
get you. Buddy, they're gonna get you. I've always had
respect for wildlife, but I just plead with people listen
to me. I've been doing this for a long time
and something's turning these animals vicious, and I don't want
children killed, somebody's wife or son or husband. We got
to think. I think this subject should be left to
the professionals VIC and people that are putting out this creepypasta.
I think you ought to think twice about putting lies
on the air to make people think that these animals
are friendly. That's a lie, the or not.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't doubt a lot of your experiences. I won't
call you nobody a liar, but I'm telling you from
hard research and my experiences. I can't speak of what
the other fellow is. I can go by what you're
right and what you put out that tells what's in you.
I'm a very good I was born with a gift
they called a gift to discernment. I can tell somebody's
spirit when I'm around them. I guess I got it
from the Indian side. And this stuff gives me the creeps. Fick.
It's cold hearted and it's wrong. It's wrong I know
a lot of people wouldn't say what I'm saying right now,
but I think it's simple. I think people ought to
get a lot more feeling for other people, a lot
more care and concern. You know, it may not be
your family, but what if you've called somebody else's family
to be broken up? Something You wouldn't want to go
look at your little kid and put that on there
and keep putting it on here, thinking well, your little
boy in the hands of one of those things. This
is not a joke, and this is not something you know.
These these experiences I told you were real. I'm not
a liar. I wouldn't do such a thing, but I've
got a heart like VIC. I got a heart for
the people. Man, you got to care about your neighbor.
You can't let somebody walk blindly into something like this suicide.
You get them killed. I think that I think that
this subject needs to turn on the internet.
Speaker 1: VIC.
Speaker 2: I believe that researchers need to put up more caution
when they put these things out, with a warning to
inexperienced people that you shouldn't do this, and it's dangerous.
It's getting very dangerous. VIC. And I'm sorry. I don't
mean to get worked up or sound like a sissy.
But I love people. I do. I deal with people
every day and I've counseled people people because of me,
for counseling people that have been through a lot, but
this subject, I think a lot of people need counseling, VIC,
And that's what that brings me back to you. You
have done exactly that. When I hear you your compassion
to people that have seen this, you know it's it's
your worst nightmare unfolding. Now I've been around him, it
doesn't bother me to see them. I haven't stood, you know,
right in front of them. You know, I've seen one
didn't feed away and it ran, thank god. But that
was stupid thing to do on my part, and I
wouldn't do it again, but I learned. But I wouldn't
want to stand in the distance that that one ran
that time that are retaording me. I wouldn't want to
stand in front of one and turned around facing me
at ten feet. I would know that I'm going to
get in trouble. I mean trouble, I mean big troubles.
And I was fortunate that it ran, and that's the truth.
It did. But things. I wouldn't go back out to
that area out east anymore. I wouldn't do it in
this area where they were behaving. They're not behaving anymore. Vic.
I think those days are over. I think it is
frequencies to some point. I think it's a combination of
all the things that's been made mentioned here. Frequencies people
shooting them and somebody would have warned him about camping
in areas where dog Man is living, especially when they
got pups or they're honey. It's suicide, Vic, It's just
plain suicide or murder. If they're putting this stuff out,
you know.
Speaker 1: You were.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to make something clearer. I'm not here
to make Vic money. I'm here because Vic has a
heart for the people. That's why I chose this channel.
And I recommend it to anybody that likes to hear
somebody that's got a heart for the people instead of
out making money. This is not what this is about.
And we talked before this episode and Vic. I told
Vic the same thing I told him then I told
him after that episode he's got a heart for the people.
And I can't you couldn't say this on just anybody's
side because they might think it's going to hurt their
their popularity, or their their subscriptions or whatever it is,
or ring the bell and say, you go out there
like this, you're going to get your bell rung. This
is some serious, serious stuff, folks. It's we are not
I do not believe vic that we are prepared. I
know the government has taken these things and weaponized them.
I've known that for years. And I and those you
don't want to meet, But these are not that kind.
These are the kind that I think are natural, natural
animals that are like I said, they're not hybrids. If
they're able to reproduce, they're not a hybrid. And they
are having pups and they are they are growing in
numbers at a rate that is phenomenal, and it makes
me think that they're spreading out into other areas where
they weren't before or weren't too many, and they're reproducing
so fast. Vicked. They've got to have territory, and I know,
I know here it's not wise to be out there
at night or by yourself during the day. Anybody that
might happen to know the area in which I speak,
that live in this area, that know by the signs
that I've said. I'm not going to tell people where
it's at. I'm not going to do that. But if
anybody recognizes the things that I've said, do not go
out there alone. Go out there in three or four
or five people. Go to group. Go to group. If
you want to go out their sight seeing, go out
there in a group, but they'll go along. Do not
go alone, because nobody's going to know what happened. You
just took off and left your family or vanished. They're
not going to bring your remains back if there is
any and frankly, I don't think anybody would want to
see it. So this is the last interview I'm going
to do, and I told vict this, I'm not doing
any more interviews, but I would like to solemnly exhort
you people. Please, if you're going to do this extreme cautume,
but I'd rather you didn't. In any areas where you
do not feel right, stay out of them. It could
mean your life. I don't know what's causing these animals
to turn vicious, which goes along with other areas where
people have been honest and put out that they have
been getting more vicious, and now it's happening here. And
I would just like to encourage everyone. If you got chilled,
stay out of these areas. Please stay out of them.
Stay in areas where they got swing sets and where
people got barbecue grills, stay in those areas. But don't
get out here in these wildlife areas where it's very
very the woods are deep, and you go and get
out of your car and a bad feeling strikes you,
get back in your car. Get back in your car.
That's the best advice I could give you. But please
don't get yourself killed. There's no heroes here. This is
not about being a hero. This is certainly not about money.
It's not about making views. VIC is not doing this
for the views we already talked. He's doing this allowing
me to do this for the people. Please. I won't
I won't be on any more channels, and I won't
make any more interviews with Vic. But I would like
to encourage everyone to please use extreme caution, dream cautions.
And we don't know how these I don't know how
these animals are going to act five years from now,
wheating people are stilling, I don't know. And if the
king's growing at the rate that it is nobody's gonna
be able to go in the woods. Too many people
are coming up, missus. Sooner or later, this is going
to hit the books and they're going to have to
put it out. And if they keep growing at the
rate that they are, and deaths keep coming like what
I've seen out here, if that stuff like this keeps happening,
and I was extremely, very seriously warned and told to
tell them about what was going on, if I see
any more of this, they're obviously have been aware of it,
and I'll say it. I don't care. They got my name.
I don't care. I care more for people, not money,
not how much revenue I could make by having people
come out there and fish all night and turn up missus. No,
that's not loving your neighbor. That's called getting people killed
for money. And I don't care. I think the system
needs a tune up. It's exactly how I feel. I
think they need a tune up. And I think they
need to put up warning signs in areas where people
have been killed or hurt, or where they even feel
like I gave these reports where they should put up
warning signs, at least warn people who let somebody they
wouldn't let their kids out there by theirself. And I'm
very serious about this. Folks, Please let me I beg you.
I'm exhorting you. Please take a large group if you
decide to go in the woods, and if you get
any sense you start hearing sticks breaking around you, get out.
Just get out. Don't wait for something to go down.
Get out. I'm not going back again by myself. I'm
going back one more time and I'm not going back there.
But I believe that this should be left to the professionals.
Now I'm not a professional. I'm only a woodsman. I've
studied them. I'm glad to turn my research research over
and I would if I ever find somebody that I
think is worthy of it, that's got a heart for people.
And Vic, you've been You've been a wonderful host. I've
got to I've got to credit you that I don't
I'm doing all the talking. I'm sorry, I get carried away.
Speaker 1: No, don't apologize. I think it's just admirable that you're
so passionate about trying to warn people, trying to keep
them safe. So I'm impressed, I really am.
Speaker 2: It's got to be this way, Vic, People's got so
many sights. You need to warn people, not encouraging to
go out there and raise their curiosity. You know this
is danous or hey, a couple of young guys get together.
I was young, take the day. Or man, you know,
jump off the bridge that's got water under there, not
even knowing how deep it is. That's about what this is.
You don't know if you're coming back, and I would,
I would really really hope that what I've said here today.
I don't know how much time we have left, but
please listen to what's being said on this site. If
that's not doing this, I assure you for money, he's
not doing it for for uh subscriptions. I told him
why I was doing it, and he told me that
I could. And I just pray that nobody else gets
killed by these things. I know they are. That's the
sad part. Think. I know people are not going to
some people are not going to listen or they won't
hear this, but I just pray they do. And women
that like to walk their dogs take a man with you.
If you're a single woman, don't do it. Your dog
is going to die very quickly if it decides to attack.
And they're packs. They're going to get you too. Don't
trust that that's not enough protection. Go in groups. I
would recommend the less than five. There's a good chance
that they're not going to attack in that many people.
And if you are, if you are confronted, do not
be threatening at all, like back up slowly, don't turn
your back to it, just slowly, be very sweet and
move backwards with a very sweet tone of voice. I'm sorry,
I come in your territory. I'm leaving you, and pray
to God that that thing don't decide that it's hungry.
And please, I don't have to do this. I don't
have to do this, and a lot of people wouldn't
let me do it because it's going to mean. They
might think it means. If anything, vic I think the
people that have a good underst I'm going to ask
the people to spread the word to people that you know,
If you know anybody that's doing this stuff, that's researching,
please warn them to take extra protection. Go in large
groups and don't provoke them. Please. They're getting worse, they're
getting more agitated. And I wouldn't lie for nothing, but
I've got to sleep at night, and I've known this
these episodes that I just told you, and I've got
to sleep at night and knowing that I didn't put
this out. It's not for money. You got made that clear.
I'm doing this for the care and love for people. Look,
I got family. How would I feel my wife? My
wife died here on my kitchen floor and I got
her back. She died from stress and I got her back.
And I know what that would feel like to lose
somebody you love. And the main thing is, folks, don't panic.
If you do, you're in trouble. They feed off of fear.
Stay straight, stay strong, don't be threatening, don't look them
in the eyes, but do not be afraid. Just simply leave.
Don't show any sign of fear because they're not going
to let you go. Now, that's why, maybe why they
don't bother me, Smike Belus, I'm not afraid of them.
I'm just not. I guess I'm stupid, but I'm not.
And they've never attacked me. But they've been attacking people
out here now and I'm ringing the warning bells like
a lot of people shouldn't be up here putting lies
on the internet and encouraging people by their They say well,
I do encourage anybody. Yeah, but your story does what
you're putting out does? I know if I was a
young man, i'd be raring to go. But some of
the stuff I've read and some of us believable, but
I know it ain't. I watched program them after program
about Bigfoot and dog Man, and all of it was lies.
Because I know the animals. I've researched them. These animals
don't behave that way. They're not your buddy. Oh a
bigfoot come up and handed a man his baby, a
woman his baby, or a man and had praying hands
like this and bent over for help. I don't think
so that's nonsense. You're going to get somebody killed. How
about the truth, folks, how about the solid truth. It's dangerous.
These are not These animals are known for their ferocity.
They are worse than a grizzly bear, and they don't en.
They're smart people. May you may not be as lucky
as I was. I think the only reason they say
it's spared me my granddaughter is because they knew me.
But listen, that was a little too close for comfort.
Why was it? How over to another one, and it answered,
I got a feeling. It was because we were there,
and I certainly wouldn't want to be going the other direction,
going into the woods hearing that, because I got a
good feeling that you would not come out, or I
would not. I don't go back anymore. They're getting out
of hand. They surrounded me, and that is hunting behavior.
That's not curiosity, that's intent. And I saw the legs
walking folks. They thought that I was far enough that
I couldn't see it, but I saw them, just like
I'm looking at this glass on my table, and he
would They weren't probably thirty feet if that, but it
was so thick in there, I couldn't see the upper body.
And they moved with stell if you can't hear them
except for occasionally stepping on a stick. But I know
what dog legs look like, and these were, and the
feet were huge. And I feeled the one behind me,
as I said, and then the one in front of
me to my left, and then I heard the sticks
around me. I was surrounded. They let me go. Vic,
they let me go, But anybody else that they had
not known, I don't think they would have been I
think they ended up like the man in the tent.
All those people running out there without their underwear on,
and that's not I don't mean that as a joke.
That girl was terrified. I don't know whether she had
her pants on, but she was running. Both of them
were running for their lives. I know what that looks like.
And I reported the incident, all of it. I reported
everything I told here except where it howled with me
and my granddaughter about ten or twelve feet away. I
had taken my granddaughter because they had nothing but peace.
But as I said, I had not had any aggression
that they let us go. That's too close. She never
came out again, none of them did. But folks, please
heed my warning. Warn other people. You that know about
dog men, warn other people. Don't be afraid. If confronted,
just humbly back away. If you're in that situation, don't
shoot at him, don't provoke them. And there's a good
chance they're going to leave you alone. But they are territorial,
and I think that's that. What they showed me wasn't hunger.
It was letting me know, this is our territory. Leave.
I got the message, queer, leave, You're not welcome here anymore.
And so I don't know how much time we have.
Vic I don't want to keep repeating myself, but the
torn t shirt, shredded, the dog men circling me, and
seeing them their nature's changing. My granddaughter and I leave
in the tent utterly destroyed, and the man shot his
way out. That is a good indication that something evil
is going on. So please everybody, how much time do
we have? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, we're about out of time. But before we do
get out of here, there are two things I wanted
to ask you about. But yeah, please continue making your
point and then I'll ask those two questions.
Speaker 2: My point is, please listen to what I told you.
Don't go into woods that you don't know what's in there,
and if you do decide to do that, trust your instincts.
If you feel something isn't right, get back in your
car and even go somewhere else. I encourage people with
families just stay out of areas that are wooded like this.
Stay in the family areas, whether it's swimming or barbecue grills,
swings and fitness. Keep your kids there. Be wise, be
smart because these animals are watching you, and a child
is a very easy target and to see a mother
lose your baby by a monster. That would be unbearable
for me. That would be unbearable for me to know.
And I couldn't live with myself if I heard that
that happened in that area and I didn't tell people,
I couldn't live with myself. I know this is odd
for me. You heard my This is completely the opposite
of what I've said before. But I've noticed this change,
and I want to be honest with vic's viewers, and
I want you all to understand something. I'm a pretty
good judge of folks, and I love this guy here.
He loves people, He cares about him. He seems to
really honestly has a concern for people, and he's proved
it by letting me do this. And I think people
ought to listen to his channel, not because of money,
but because of VIC, not because of subscriptions, but because
of VIC, and all listen to this. He is a
wealth of information. How many stories has this man heard
stuff like this? He's a good man to talk to,
good man to listen to. And I think you ought
to and he's proved that by allowing me to bring
out these truths here today on his platform. I highly
recommend them, folks, I really do, and I mean that
from my heart. I'm not saying that it's because I
like the guy. I'm saying that because it's needful. It's
very needful. People. We are curious. It's our nature to
be curious. But don't let your curiosity kill you. Don't
let it do that. Be safe. Whatever you do, be safe.
Please remember what I said. They are getting more vicious
all the time, more and more truth are being told.
I don't know what's going on, but protect yourself. Whatever
you do, protect yourself and keep a good spirit about it.
Like I said before, keep it, don't fear things, but
be wise. Listen to your instincts. Best for you. With children,
listen to your motherly instincts. They're strong and they won't
need you wrong. They won't please. That's about it, because
that's all I need to say.
Speaker 1: I think well, like I said before, I think it
says everything about your character. The fact that you wanted
to come back on to put this warning out here,
because you could have kept it to yourself, but you didn't. So,
like I said, that says everything. Marshall. I know you
said that this was going to be your last show
that you ever do on this But I've got a
lot of questions I'd like to ask you about these
experiences and your findings. Is there any way you'd be
interested in coming back for a Q and A and
then that could be the last show that you.
Speaker 2: Do because you let me do this thing. Yeah, for you,
I'll do it.
Speaker 1: Oh good, I'll do it.
Speaker 2: I'll do it for you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Idea. Well, yeah, I'll get with you
after we finish here to schedule that Q and A
in We'll just have you come back on and I've
got a laundry list of questions for you, And of
course i'd love to be able to ask you these questions.
Speaker 2: Sure, but you've got review People like to leave replies,
leave them, leave whatevery questions, you know, for vic, whatever
you have, I'm going to read it myself because I'd
like to see who is listening. And it makes me
feel good to see that people listen and are going
to take heed to these simple things like this, because
it can save your life. It really can.
Speaker 1: Marshall. I really hope you never change because you're a
good man. You're one of the good ones. And yeah,
I can't say that enough. But having said that, thanks
again so much for coming on and of course I'm
looking forward to having you come back to do.
Speaker 2: That Q and a sure any time for you, anytime
it's appreciated.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, like I said, thanks again so much and
have a great nights.
Speaker 2: English