1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. I think that many of you at this 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,039 point will have seen a video clip going around with 3 00:00:08,439 --> 00:00:12,720 John Heares interviewing Tucker Carlson. It's part of a project 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,919 to make a movie called Christianity's and I'm happy to 5 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:18,839 announce that I will be participating in that project. I'll 6 00:00:18,879 --> 00:00:22,000 also be one of the people being interviewed. But I 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,000 was really kind of shocked and surprised to see John 8 00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:29,679 and the team published this one clip of Tucker Carlson 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,159 talking about how he was attacked in the night by 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,200 a demon and how that attack in some ways woke 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,320 him up to spiritual realities in a way that he 12 00:00:40,359 --> 00:00:44,079 had never been before. It's funny because I actually knew 13 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:46,719 about that story. It had been told to me by 14 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:49,079 someone about a year and a half ago, maybe close 15 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:51,799 to when it had happened. Someone had told me the story, 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,399 and I didn't think that Tucker would talk about it 17 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:58,479 in public, But it seems like there it is. There 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,280 is talking about it public, and so it's brought up 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,000 a lot of questions for people, because especially the way 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,040 that I talk about the notion of principalities or the 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,599 idea of spirits, and how in fact there is a 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:17,000 cask a chasm between you know, let's say principalities in 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,159 the physical world, and that the principalities can't touch the 24 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,920 physical world, you know, just like ideas can't touch the 25 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,560 physical world, or how you know, things that don't have 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,920 bodies can't touch the physical world. And the question is 27 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,239 what's going on? How is it possible that he might 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,200 wake up in the middle of the night and have 29 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:42,200 massive claw marks on his body and have this dreadful 30 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:44,920 sense because you had this nightmare about not being able 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,359 to move if I remember correctly, you know, being kind 32 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:50,959 of frozen there and this pressure on him, you know, 33 00:01:51,239 --> 00:02:06,920 before he woke up to how is this possible? This 34 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:22,639 is Jonathan Peeshel, Welcome to the symbolic world. You know, 35 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,599 for those of you who haven't watched it, I did 36 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,879 a video a little bit about called the Witches when 37 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,400 that I had recorded in twenty twenty where I talk 38 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:32,759 about this a little where we talk about what we 39 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,759 call secondary causes and the idea that once you see 40 00:02:37,759 --> 00:02:41,719 the purpose of something or the symbolism something or the 41 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:45,159 reason for something, you can talk about how they happen 42 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:48,159 through secondary causes. What that means is that there's no 43 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:55,879 direct relationship between the mechanical causes that bring about the 44 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:01,319 phenomena and the ultimate impetus vertical cause you could call, 45 00:03:01,439 --> 00:03:05,479 or the meaning cause that makes it happen. And that 46 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:08,240 might seem strange to people at the outset, but in 47 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:14,560 fact it's actually how all phenomena that finds its origin 48 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:20,560 in meaning making happens. Because any type of thing that 49 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:24,680 happens in the world which originates in meaning, you can't 50 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,120 trace the relationship between the meaning or the purpose that 51 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,599 is being given, the order or the suggestion or the 52 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:41,840 question that's being asked, and the mechanical causes that make 53 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:44,080 it happen. Okay, and so let me give you a 54 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:49,080 simple example, which is I ask my son to go 55 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:51,840 get you something in my room. I like, could you 56 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:54,199 go get this for me in my room? And then 57 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:57,719 he goes upstairs, goes into my room and finds the 58 00:03:57,759 --> 00:04:02,199 thing brings it to me. And so that's an exact example. 59 00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:09,039 There's absolutely there's absolutely no connection direct mechanical connection between 60 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:13,479 the meaning making aspect of it and the actions that 61 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,000 he took in the world. You know, him moving his 62 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:19,240 knees and the blood pulsing through his vein and you know, 63 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,639 getting things out of the way, opening the door of 64 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:25,600 the room, going in, getting the thing, bringing it down, 65 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:28,720 and giving it to me. If you only analyze the 66 00:04:28,759 --> 00:04:31,720 mechanical causes of it, you could never find that I 67 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,879 asked him to bring that to me, you know. And 68 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,839 it's the same with any kind of meaning making structure 69 00:04:37,879 --> 00:04:41,199 that manifests itself from the world. So, how, for example, 70 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:46,879 does passing a law affect the world, Well, it affects 71 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,439 it through secondary causes. And so the person that's passing 72 00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:57,480 the law that creates the constraint on society at the 73 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,560 top of the ladder, you could say, of meaning doesn't 74 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,959 predict like which police officer or which judge will act 75 00:05:07,079 --> 00:05:10,920 on what day, you know, next to this or that phenomena. 76 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,720 They don't have to because those are secondary causes. The 77 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:19,560 formal cause that the first cause, which is the meaning cause, 78 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,040 doesn't have to take into account the secondary cause elements. 79 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,040 Those secondary cause elements have their own mechanical reality at 80 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:33,399 the level they do, you know, inspired by the formal cause. Okay, 81 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,759 and so that is how actually all reality works. And 82 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,399 so we have to just remember that as we look 83 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:43,079 at the more extreme examples, which are the ones that 84 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,879 you see in the case of what Tucker is describing. Now, 85 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,600 in the case of what Tucker is describing, what your note, 86 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,160 what you can see is something like we could call 87 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:58,639 it a reverse miracle. You know, I've talked about miracle before. 88 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,720 It tried to explain them the best that I could 89 00:06:03,519 --> 00:06:08,319 as the way in which you could call it strong emergence, 90 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:11,279 you could call it. You could use different words. You 91 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:15,120 could talk about how there are sometimes even in the 92 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,120 biological world or in the physical world, where there's absolutely 93 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:23,720 no way of accounting between the two, like there's there 94 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:29,680 seems to be a complete disjunct between the the the 95 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:32,920 you can't even trace the line. So like in the 96 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:36,399 case of, for example, me telling my son to go 97 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,680 get my shoes, let's say at the entrance of the door, 98 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:45,279 you can you can still kind of trace the idea 99 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:48,920 of the original cause or the meaning making cause, the 100 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:52,319 formal cause, and then you know, you can kind of 101 00:06:52,759 --> 00:06:57,040 see how there's how can I say this that the 102 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:00,279 actions are at least aimed at that cause through other 103 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:03,759 meaning making structures, Right, So you have in order for 104 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,480 that to happen, like in a city or the way 105 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,160 that I talk to my son, you need other meaning 106 00:07:08,199 --> 00:07:13,079 making beings to be involved that are implementing the order 107 00:07:13,279 --> 00:07:16,040 or the meaning at the higher level. So we pass 108 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:20,560 a law in the town, and then we need people 109 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:23,800 to hear or to read the law, and then those 110 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:29,439 people to then act according to the law and enact 111 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,800 it at the level where they are. And so there 112 00:07:31,879 --> 00:07:35,120 is this sense that there's a kind of meaning making 113 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:39,480 meaning making agents that are there all along the way 114 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:43,480 of the causality chain, you could call it. But in 115 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:49,160 the case of miracles, you absolutely cannot account or you 116 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:53,720 don't have a way of accounting for the relationship between 117 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:57,319 the meaning making and the effect that it has in 118 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:02,680 the world. Now, this is something that happens more than 119 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:08,279 you think, right, because we don't think that it functions 120 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:11,839 that way only when we think that meaning making agents 121 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:15,600 are completely separate from all other types of causalities, that 122 00:08:15,639 --> 00:08:18,839 there's absolutely no relationship between the meaning making agents and 123 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,240 other types of causes. But when you realize that these 124 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:24,879 are all integrated together, and that in fact, meaning is 125 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,920 part of the universe and meaning meaning meaning making agents 126 00:08:27,959 --> 00:08:31,759 are types of causes in some ways the most important 127 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,919 types of causes that bring about reality. You can notice that, 128 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:41,559 for example, there are many many example of scientists that 129 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:46,279 dream of something, that have a dream of a type 130 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,000 of causality, and then down the line that thing is 131 00:08:51,039 --> 00:08:53,639 found to be true, or that they think it up 132 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,240 in their mind and they kind of have a vision 133 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,799 of something of something that can happen, and then it happens. 134 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,759 It's shown to be true in the future, even though 135 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:08,519 they don't have the mathematical proofs, they don't have the 136 00:09:08,799 --> 00:09:12,159 empirical you know, proofs, They just have this kind of 137 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,039 intuition that this is true. And then then then later 138 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:18,960 we discovered that it is in fact, in fact true. 139 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,919 And so in miracles, this is what you're always seeing, 140 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,000 is that in some ways there seems to be a 141 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,720 direct relationship or at least there's no at all accounting 142 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,000 for the way that the causes happen in any way, 143 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:37,679 Like you can't even trace it through meaning making agents 144 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:44,240 at how something happens based on meaning making. And you know, 145 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,519 you you know, if you read the stories of the miracles, 146 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,720 they're always a reflection of a higher order meaning. Right, 147 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:56,879 It's like you're seeing a higher order meaning imprint itself 148 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:05,679 onto reality and order reality directly or seemingly directly, and 149 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:08,000 it doesn't mean that how can I say this? It 150 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,240 doesn't mean that the idea or the purpose or or whatever. 151 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:15,960 How can I say this? It doesn't mean that the 152 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:18,919 idea or the purpose or whatever has a way to 153 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:23,200 touch physically the mechanical things, just in the same way 154 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:28,240 that me telling my son to go get something isn't 155 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:33,559 like me physically bringing him to do it. But nonetheless, 156 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:39,840 this is what miracles manifest, and they manifested, like I said, 157 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,440 in a way that points to higher forms of order. 158 00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:45,519 You know. Now, The thing is is that it doesn't 159 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,679 mean that there aren't mechanical causes. That means it is 160 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,480 that even if there's a miracle, it doesn't mean that 161 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,960 you couldn't at the at the you know, at the outset, 162 00:10:55,080 --> 00:11:00,320 look at what is happening at the mechanical level. You could, 163 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,879 You probably could, And sometimes sometimes the desire for people 164 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:07,639 to do that has sometimes led to them invalidating things which, 165 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,759 in my estimations, are really miracles, you know, because the 166 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:15,360 mechanical causes don't seem to function the way they do. 167 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,879 I'll give you an example that I saw a while ago, 168 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,600 you know. It was that there was a Catholic church 169 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,360 in which the statue of the virgin Mary started to 170 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:32,840 cry and and so drops of red liquid when we're 171 00:11:32,879 --> 00:11:36,440 appearing on her cheeks and we're kind of strolling, you know, 172 00:11:36,519 --> 00:11:41,200 streaming down her face. And people were saying, she's crying blood. 173 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,600 An it's crazy because imagine you're standing there and you're 174 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:45,480 you're in at church and you're praying, and you look 175 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,919 up and there's a statue of Mary, and then all 176 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,919 of a sudden, there are like tears, red tears that 177 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,679 are streaming down her face. And so and I remember 178 00:11:56,759 --> 00:11:59,440 that I read an article that was debunking this because 179 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,919 they said, well, they looked into it and they analyze it, 180 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,159 and it realized that there was a hole in the 181 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:12,279 roof exactly in the right spot above you know, the statue, 182 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:17,000 and that that there was rusty water in that hole, 183 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,039 and then that rusty water fell exactly right next to 184 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,039 her eye and then would come down as a tear drop, 185 00:12:25,159 --> 00:12:29,159 you know, on her face. And therefore that's not a miracle. 186 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,919 And you're like, do you know what, maybe you don't 187 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,440 know what a miracle is, you know, maybe you don't 188 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,159 understand how a miracle are. These are exactly like that. 189 00:12:40,279 --> 00:12:42,879 It's not that there isn't any mechanical causes that those 190 00:12:42,919 --> 00:12:48,600 mechanical causes come together to reveal meaning, you know, that 191 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:52,000 can't be accounted for in those mechanical causes. And so 192 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:54,159 I would say that something like that that actually is 193 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,039 a miracle right in the sense that there it is, 194 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,639 you stand in front of the virgin and she's crying, 195 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,399 and there's nobody trying to trick you, Like, there's no 196 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,120 one who is doing it out of malicious intent and 197 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,840 is like putting drops there in order to to to 198 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,159 manipulate you or to get money from you, or to 199 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,240 do something that is off. It's actually just happening in 200 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:17,279 front of you, and you have a you have a 201 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:23,399 statue of the virgin that's crying. Now, is it possible 202 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,799 that you could have let's say, mechanical causes that would 203 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:32,440 be even more or even less directly you know, collated 204 00:13:32,519 --> 00:13:36,279 to the meaning that's even possible. You know, there are 205 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,840 all kinds of events that happen in our lives and 206 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:42,360 stories that we hear from people that we love and 207 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,879 care about that seem to manifest, you know, this type 208 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:50,919 of thing. And so this seems to be that, you know, 209 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,440 in the case of what Tucker is explaining, you know, 210 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,279 the question is what happened to him. Let's look at 211 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:03,080 it at the moment, most basic element. Right, So, he 212 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,399 had a very horrible dream in which he felt a 213 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:11,320 deep spiritual oppression and felt way down and held down, 214 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,799 and that he couldn't move and that he couldn't do anything. 215 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,320 And then when he finally woke up, he had huge 216 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:24,720 claw marks on his body and everybody else was fast asleep. 217 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,519 It's like, does that mean something? And the answer is yes, 218 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:35,080 it means something, And in his case, it meant a lot. 219 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:40,440 It meant that it connected him to a world of 220 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,120 principality that could affect him, make him feel a certain way, 221 00:14:44,919 --> 00:14:49,320 that could make him suffer in a certain manner, and 222 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,759 that it not only that, but being in contact with 223 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:57,879 that transformed his perspective and made him start to believe 224 00:14:57,919 --> 00:14:59,720 in God, for example, or start to read the Bible 225 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,399 and a move in that direction. Now, once again, does 226 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,120 it mean that there are no mechanical causes? I mean, 227 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,440 you know, you could say, well, you know, you're sleeping 228 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,720 with his dogs in his bed. Maybe that's the origin 229 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:15,960 of it. Maybe maybe not. I don't know. There probably 230 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,200 are mechanical causes that brought about the scratch marks that 231 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,159 are on his body or the claw marks that are 232 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:27,120 on his body. But the idea is, just like when 233 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,200 can I say that, Just like when I ask my 234 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,559 son to go get things for me, I am not 235 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,200 preoccupied by what shoes he's wearing, or like you know, 236 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,399 or I'm not preoccupied by I don't know what obstacle 237 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:46,960 he'll have to move in order to get the thing 238 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,960 that I'm asking him to get at the time, you know, 239 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:52,799 and when he comes back, I'm not curious that curious 240 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:56,559 about all the secondary causes, you know, and how many 241 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,639 neurons fired in his brain, and how many muscles moved 242 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:02,440 in his body, and you know, how what quantity of 243 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,240 blood left his heart and went into his arteries in 244 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,519 the time that he was getting that thing for me. 245 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:09,679 All those are mechanical causes for him to be able 246 00:16:09,679 --> 00:16:13,679 to do that. But I'm not that preoccupied, uh, you know, 247 00:16:13,879 --> 00:16:18,120 by the mechanical causes, because what interests me is the meaning. 248 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,120 What interests me is the way in which a phenomena 249 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:25,320 came together, you know, because if if if Tucker had 250 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,720 only let's say, if Tucker Carlsond only woken up with 251 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,879 scratch marks on his body, would he have had the 252 00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:34,559 same experience? And the answer is no. If he had 253 00:16:35,039 --> 00:16:38,399 woken up after that sense of like oppression and pressure 254 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,600 on his chest and and and and uh, that's a 255 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:44,519 just the pressure on his chest, would he have had 256 00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:46,799 the same experience. No. If it had just had been 257 00:16:46,799 --> 00:16:49,639 a bad dream where he's dreaming and and he feels 258 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:51,440 like something is attacking him for something, and he would 259 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,759 have woken up, he would he have felt the same thing, 260 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:56,519 And the answer is no. Now, it's all of those 261 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:02,960 coming together, you know, that made the event, let's say, 262 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:07,640 a curse, or made the event a reverse miracle, or 263 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,599 a dark moment, a moment where he encountered principality that 264 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:19,000 was trying to hurt him, you know. And so therefore 265 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,319 that is a way to kind of understand, you know, 266 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,240 how it is that events like that can happen, and 267 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:30,160 how they they're real and they are a way in 268 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:35,680 which wills are purposes, can touch us and can affect us, 269 00:17:37,279 --> 00:17:42,599 even though we don't know how to account for all 270 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:48,960 the mechanical causes that made it happen in reality. But that, 271 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,759 like I said, it's important to remind us of that's 272 00:17:51,799 --> 00:17:56,880 how all meaning making causality functions, all causes that are 273 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,599 produced by meaning have that same problem. It's just that 274 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:05,920 some you could say, are more stretched than others, you know, 275 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:13,880 and some are that's say, less difficult to believe in 276 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:20,279 or less difficult to see through the meaning making causes 277 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:24,960 how something like that could have happened, And so, yeah, 278 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,319 I think it's important to kind of understand that. That 279 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:31,000 is in some ways you could say how also how 280 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:35,119 blessings and curses function, you know, And so blessing and 281 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:40,440 curses can and do affect other people, and sometimes you 282 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,519 can trace, you could trace more easily the meaning making 283 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,519 causalities in order to understand that. Right, So think about 284 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:54,680 it again in a way that it's closer to the 285 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:01,440 idea of the of a placebo effect, for example, right 286 00:19:01,519 --> 00:19:04,279 where you could understand that a placebo effect could help 287 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:08,799 you understand how a blessing could affect someone because you know, 288 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:12,599 the doctor has authority, and the doctor tells the patient, 289 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,880 I'm going to give you this thing that's going to 290 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,480 heal you. And even though they give them a sugar pill, 291 00:19:20,039 --> 00:19:25,079 the person experiences a healing, and so you can see 292 00:19:25,079 --> 00:19:27,480 that this is a kind of blessing. Right, it's not 293 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,240 exactly a blessing, but it can at least help you 294 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:33,240 understand how blessing functions, which is that it is possible 295 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:38,640 to affect someone's well being through meaning making by encouraging them, 296 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,599 by by you know, let's say, using your authority in 297 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:49,160 order to change their physical even their physical state, you know. 298 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,119 And so the question is, can you do that also negatively? 299 00:19:54,799 --> 00:19:56,720 And the answer is, of course you can. Of course 300 00:19:56,759 --> 00:19:59,519 you can do that negatively. You know. Of course you 301 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:02,559 can look at someone in a way that can make 302 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:05,160 them sick if you know what you're doing. You can 303 00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:11,799 say things to someone that will make them physically ill, right, 304 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:14,319 that would make them lose their confidence, that will make 305 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,920 them trip, they'll make them fall, you know. And it's 306 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,960 not like a just like all meaning making causalities, it's 307 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,680 not direct, right, If I throw a baseball at a 308 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,319 certain strength and a certain direction, you can predict how 309 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,160 it's going to fall. But if I ask my son 310 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:34,640 to go get to go get my shoes, for example, 311 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,599 you know, then he might decide that he changes his 312 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,519 mind on the way there. He might you know, he 313 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:42,960 might get distracted by something else. It might not happen. 314 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,039 And that's the problem with all types of causalities that 315 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:47,880 happen to meaning like you could pass a law and 316 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,880 it doesn't mean that everybody's going to follow the law. 317 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,359 There are all kinds of things that can happen that 318 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,200 would prevent it from happening. But it's also ridiculous to 319 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,839 say that those types of causalities don't exist. Of course 320 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:00,319 they exist because we see them experience them all the time. 321 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,799 It's just that they don't have the same kind of 322 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,319 mechanical predictability as like I said, just measuring the arc 323 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,279 of a projectile, for example. But we can't discount them 324 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:13,279 because they're part of the world and we use them 325 00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:17,000 all the time. And so can you curse someone and 326 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:19,960 that this will affect them, and that this would make 327 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,799 them have bad dreams, or that it would make them 328 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,920 have all kinds of bad effects on them. Of course 329 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:31,559 that's possible. Now the question is how much is it possible, 330 00:21:31,759 --> 00:21:37,799 Like how far can that go? You know? And how 331 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:41,960 many like layers of secondary meanings could you go through 332 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:48,799 in order to do good to someone or to harm them, 333 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:52,559 you know? For example, like can I make you sick 334 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,519 by saying bad things about about cursing you through others, like, 335 00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:58,960 could I do that? Could I say bad things about 336 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,599 you to other people to make you, to put you 337 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,000 in trouble? And the answers, of course, you know that 338 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,680 that's true, you know, and you can do it positively too. 339 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:13,519 Can I bless you by going around and let's say, 340 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,960 blessing you through others? And the answer is, of course 341 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,799 I can. Now what's the extent to which that's possible. 342 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,160 That's a harder one to delimit, right, It's a harder 343 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,759 one to know how far it goes. But when you 344 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:35,160 see something like that, like when you see someone like Tucker, 345 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,640 who is a very honest person who he he's constantly 346 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,200 telling the truth, and this happened to him like a 347 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,039 year and a half ago, and he finally said it 348 00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:46,319 to someone. You know, he's been keeping this private for 349 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,839 a very long time. Is it possible that he was 350 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:56,079 being attacked by someone or by the principality directly? And 351 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,759 the answer is, I think it is possible. You know. Now, 352 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,759 I kind of hesitate to talk about this kind of stuff, 353 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:06,720 as you can tell. It's the first time that I 354 00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:14,920 actually talk about this directly, because because just because something 355 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,599 is possible doesn't mean it's happening all the time. And 356 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,359 this is again one of the issues with meaning making 357 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:31,079 causalities is that sometimes it's bullshit. Sometimes people who say 358 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,559 they have influence or think they have influence are lying 359 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:37,960 to you and they don't have what it takes to 360 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,359 make it happen. And sometimes people say that things have 361 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,920 happened to them that aren't true. And that's what makes 362 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,559 it difficult, is that there is such a thing as 363 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:56,359 someone who is becomes paranoid and sees demons attacking them 364 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,319 all the time and sees you know, all people that 365 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,319 want ill of them, cursing them or sending things to them, 366 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,559 or you know, like, there are people that are delusional, 367 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:11,240 and that is completely possible. But just because people are 368 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:15,200 delusional doesn't mean that it can't happen. It's the same 369 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,960 with miracles, by the way. You know, people will tell 370 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,960 you that miracles don't exist by pointing to people who 371 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,079 lied about miracles, and it's like the fact that people 372 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,720 lie about miracles doesn't mean the miracles don't exist. That's 373 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,680 a ridiculous that's a ridiculous thing, you know, you know, 374 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:39,599 just like fraudulent you know, vaccines doesn't mean that, oh, 375 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,559 they're therefore all vaccines are impossible, or that you know, 376 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,880 fraudulent medicines or people who lie about certain certain effects 377 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,440 that certain medicines would have, doesn't mean that then medicine 378 00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:54,440 is invalid. And it's the same with these types of events. 379 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,839 It's the same with things that are caused by meaning. 380 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,559 They are all kinds of delusions and illusions and people 381 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,319 pretending and lying. All of this exists, but you know, 382 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,880 there are moments when these things also happen for real. 383 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,359 And so I know that I might be pushing the 384 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:18,039 more kind of secular types, maybe beyond beyond my reach, 385 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,880 and I might get criticism that I haven't gotten yet before, 386 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,680 because I am trying to suggest that meaning really does 387 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:31,440 it really does cause reality, and some people can do 388 00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:33,960 it in ways that it's difficult to account for how 389 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,400 it is that the connection between the meaning and the 390 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,720 event is. But I also believe that to be true. 391 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:48,559 I also believe that these things are possible, and you know, 392 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:50,839 and I've seen it happen, and we don't see these 393 00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:55,799 things happen as much here, but there are certain places 394 00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:58,720 in the world where these types of actions are still 395 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,559 very much available. To people, and people engage in them 396 00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:09,039 all the time and others actually feel the consequences of that. 397 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:14,000 So anyways, hope this was helpful. It's kind of like 398 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:18,480 a post Halloween maybe a post a video. Hope it 399 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:20,759 was helpful to kind of help you understand a little 400 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:24,079 bit of how it is that these things are possible 401 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,119 or maybe not. 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