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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. On last week's show,

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episode six thirty nine, tonight's guest came on and talked

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about a really traumatic Dogman encounter he and his friend

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Chris had in Montgomery Bell State Park in Tennessee. Due

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to how much he had to share about his encounter,

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I didn't have time to ask him any of the

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questions I wanted to ask about his experience, so I

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asked him about coming back this week to do a

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Q and A. He agreed, So here we are, Harvey,

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welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: It's good to be back.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's good having you. We appreciate your time, Harvey.

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For anyone who missed episode six thirty nine last Friday night,

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please tell us about yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've lived in Nashville all my life and I'm

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forty eight years old.

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Speaker 2: I'm a musician.

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Speaker 1: I play a lot downtown Nashville and the surrounding areas.

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I went to high school Stretford High School in East Nashville,

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and you know, I'd like to, you know, do a

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lot of things when it comes to activities. I liked,

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you know, to jog, go on camps, hiking, fishing. I

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love karaoke, anything musical, you know. I like to watch movies,

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just you know, just normal things that a lot of

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people like to do. I'm a very simple person. I

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try not to be very complex, you know, as for

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you know, some of my friends, like Chris, you know,

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he was a very complex person even to begin with.

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Speaker 2: But that's about it. With me. I'm just a simple person.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what's ironic. I wouldn't be surprised if

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someone listening to the show right now is listen to

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you perform in public. You said you're a drummer and

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you're in a band. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody

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listening actually was there present when you're performing with the

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band sometime.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I mean, you know, like with the video

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of the last show, I've kind of, you know, told

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all my friends about it and you know, and told them,

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you know, you need to watch this because this is

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exactly what I had to go through back in the day,

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and it was a big shock to them that I

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had to go through such an old deal. But yeah,

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a lot of my fans, you know, they listened to it.

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And the word gets around very quickly. In Nashville. It's

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a big town, but it's also small as well, especially

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when you're a musician. All the musicians kind of know

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each other or they know someone that new the other person.

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So the word gets around very very quickly. So I'm

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pretty sure this video will also.

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Speaker 3: Yeah just might you never know. And now that you've

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done that, please give us a brief flyover if your encounter.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, to make everything short as I can,

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but make more sense, you know. We it was my

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birthday that weekend, and you know, we decided to go

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to Montgomery Bell State Park and we went just to

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have a good time, just to get away. I just

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graduated that year that May, and well, we went to

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the park and we hung out. And then the next day,

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this was a Saturday. This was actually my birthday, the

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twenty seventh, Actually, no, the twenty seven was the Friday.

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The twenty eighth was Saturday. David had to go back

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home because he had to go to work. So after

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he left, we went to lunch at the restaurant that

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was there on on.

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Speaker 1: Was it would have been too far to walk, so

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we drove the twenty minutes to the edge of the

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gate that's where the hotel in the restaurant was from

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our campain spot. So we went to eat lunch and

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then we went hiking, which wasn't my idea because I'm

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not a hiker.

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Speaker 2: At the time, I was not a hiker, but Chris was.

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Speaker 1: He was a very you know, he was always in sports,

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very tough guy, and he loved to go hiking and

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that was one of his past times.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we went and then.

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Speaker 1: The park had ten different paths you know that you

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could go down, you know, different areas of the trails

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that you could you could pick. Well, he picked one

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of the worst ones, which is a big hill that

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went very far up and not you know, I tried

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and I we went like almost a quarter of away

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and I had to rest. So I told him, hey,

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hike and I either I I'll catch up with you

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or I'll meet you back at the camp, which he

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was okay with. So I saw him just walking around

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and he was walking around the bend around the trail

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went like a big bend and there was a lot

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of bushes and trees. So I saw his head but

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not his body at the time when he went so

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far and he stopped and I saw his face and

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he just like was staring for like a minute or two,

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you know, it was like but it seemed like forever.

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knowing what was going on until we got back to

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the camp and he told me all about it, and

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then I'm like, ah, it could have been it could

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have been anything. I guess it could have been a

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bear or or raccoon or since we don't have you know,

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I don't believe because I don't believe we have wolves here.

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I believe we have like foxes, but they're very big foxes.

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until that night when it came out of the woods

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and there was a creak and then he kind of

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like the thing would just splashing water, and I thought, Okay,

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maybe it was a deer or something. Then it went

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around and it came into view from the campfire. So

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the thing was awful. It was black It stood about

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six foot six foot five.

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Speaker 1: Even the hair that it did have, it was very

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thin and was like an older dog man it was.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't young.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of old looking wrinkles, and then it

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some of the hair was missing from the side of

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his face, which looked like it was scarred up. So

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But the whole time it was growling. It gave a

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few howls at that time. Then it was just growling,

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and then it was staring it right into our eyes

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with the emerald green eyes and had a long snout.

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A couple of its teeth canin teeth. There was a

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kN on tooth and there was a tooth next to it.

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I think that was missing, so it was missing some teeth.

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But it was growling, and it was you know, salava

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was coming from its mouth and like foaming.

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Speaker 2: It was just very very aggressive, very mean looking.

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Speaker 1: But it was going back and forth like like a

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line would go in the cage. We'll go back and forth.

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But it was staring at us the whole time, and

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they would look at me, they would look at Chris,

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and we're thinking you know, it's just trying to pick

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which one it wants to get first or whatever it's

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about to attack, you know, That's what we thought. And

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the whole time Chris was crying and I was like

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just frozen solid. I couldn't do anything. I couldn't scream.

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It was a bad situation all the way through and through.

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So to make the story really short, we after it left,

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it went back into the woods. Then we got what

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we could and we, let you know, got into the

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truck and the truck wouldn't start, so we jump started

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it with this little charger that we had. It was

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only good for one charge. So we finally got that

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thing started. So we got in roll the windows up,

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and by the time we did that, the thing jumped

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on the back of the truck, on the bed of

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the truck, and then uh, it was was clawing at

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the back windshield. Not not the not the windows on

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each side of the truck. No, it was on the

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back windshield. It was trying to get in. It was scratching,

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and it was scratching on top of the top of

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the truck, on top of the roof of the truck,

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and I could feel it like every time it scratched.

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Speaker 2: It hit the truck.

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Speaker 1: Real hard, you know, and and it was growling and

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it was constantly growling and you know, and just howling,

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and it wanted end.

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Speaker 2: It warned us.

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Speaker 1: I think that's when it you know, you never run

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away from you know, when when when the animals pray runs,

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it wants it's going to chase that prey. So that's

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why I thought we were pray at the time. But

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once we once Chris stepped on it and he floored it,

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it jerked and that thing fell off. So and then

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after that we went to David's house the next day

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told him he didn't believe us.

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Speaker 2: There was a big fight, there.

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Speaker 1: Was some chosen words, and we quit being friends with

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David because of this. So even to this day, when

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I talked to David, I actually called him last night

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to tell him about you know, you know, he needs

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to watch the video. And he says, not this again,

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you know, you need to stop, not this again. You

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know that never happened.

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Speaker 2: Stop it. Well, he's in denial.

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Speaker 1: That anything could even possibly happen, you know, And he said,

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you know, Chris, you know, Chris died because it was stupidity.

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After this whole ordeal, Chris was never the same after that.

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It destroyed his life. Even Chris even said it, this

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experience destroyed his life. He was depressed all the time,

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he was suicidal. He was this It was that there

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was a lot of things that he took too many chances,

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like you know, jumping onto a train and then jumping

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off of it, you know once it slowed down. You know,

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this man had a death wish because of this thing.

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It did something to him. It drained his personality. He

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was never the same.

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Speaker 2: And then you.

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Speaker 1: Know, he died in two thousand, August tenth of two

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thousand from a dirt bike accident. So yeah, he was

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always playing with death. Like after that happened. Before that happened,

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he was just awesome, you know, he was. He was

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never like that until afterwards. So it really changed his

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life for the worst. But it changed I believe it

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changed mind for the better because I've.

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Speaker 2: Learned a lot, you know, in the recent week.

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Speaker 1: And this past week has been a lot to take in,

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and the show Friday really helped me to make note

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of it and make sense of what just happened. You know,

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even if it was twenty five years ago, it felt

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like it just happened again. It was DAJRV because it's

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like I'm reliving this whole thing again, you know. And

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last night I had a dream about it and I

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Speaker 2: In CoA sweats and.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was just like reliving that whole thing

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again with Chris, and I wanted to break down. Seriously,

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I wanted to break down. It's like, should did I

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make a mistake coming out with this because I didn't.

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I didn't feel like this before, but now feeling guilty

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like I shouldn't have done it. But I know I

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have to do it because Chris would have wanted me

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to do it. You know, tell the story, and the

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people out there, the listeners that's been through this with

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dog Man or any experience, would know that this thing

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could happen, and you know, trauma could happen to anyone

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at any given minute.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just happy that. I'm just glad that people see.

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Speaker 1: The truth behind the story and understand the story and

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take something out of it and make it their own

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or make make it a positive thing instead of saying

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poor me, poor me, or poor Chris yes, poor Chris,

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but you know Chris will want someone to learn from

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that instead of being like poor Chris or feel sorry

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Speaker 3: Good man for him to feel that way. And you know,

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that in mind, if Chris was still here, do you

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think he'd want to come on the show with you

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and talk about the encounter or do you think he'd

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avoid it?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think he would. He's just that kind

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of person. I don't think he would. You know, even

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back then, you know, a lot of time has passed since,

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you know, from ninety from ninety seven to two thousand

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when he died. Those years he didn't talk about He

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didn't even talk about it.

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Speaker 2: He didn't mention it. He didn't even movies.

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Speaker 1: About vampires and where was he stopped watching them. He

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didn't want anything to do with anything like that. He

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just wanted to stay away from it. And Halloween, that

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was his favorite time of the year. He didn't even

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celebrate Halloween. It really turned him around in a negative way.

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I don't think he will open up like I have.

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I don't think you would. No, I know he wouldn't.

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That's just not who he was. But I'm pretty sure

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he will accept what I did, accept me coming out

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and telling my story. Basically, that's what I did, and

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I decided to do that. But I picked your show

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because out of all the shows I all the broadcast

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shows online, I picked you for a reason because I

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I pretty much trust what you were all about, and

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you were there to help instead of making a big deal,

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you know, making a spectacle about it, or or just

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having a show. You really mean what you say and do,

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and you really care about the people involved.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks so much of the kind words. I don't

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think enough credit can go out to the listeners either,

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because they play a huge part in all the help.

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They really do. They help more than they're ever going

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to realize. They definitely do.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they help with all the great comments. Keep

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it coming, guys. It makes me feel better about what

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I did, And thank you that there's a lot of

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comments in that I've helped them in some way or

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another with my story and I pretty much appreciate that.

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And I'm just here to help just like anyone else.

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Speaker 3: You're a good man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The fact you have that concern that says everything about

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your good character. It really does. And you touched on

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this a moment ago. I'm sure Chris is just smiling

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down on you, and he's so proud you mustered the

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courage to come forward and put this experience out there.

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Like you said, if you was here, he wouldn't want

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to do it himself. But I'm sure he's still smiling.

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Speaker 1: Nonetheless, Yeah, Chris was just the sweetest guy, and I

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was very lucky to have him in my life since

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I'm the only child.

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Speaker 2: He was like a big brother. You know.

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Speaker 3: That sounds to me like you're lucky to have each other.

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So that goes two ways. If you've had a dog

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mean encounter that you need help dealing with, or if

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you'd like to be a guest on the show, please

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go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If

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you've had a bigfoot sighting, we'll like to be a

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guest on one of my two big foot podcasts, Please

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go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Considering the fact

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that your encounter happened the night after your birthday and

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considering what happened to Chris, has your birthday forever been tarnish?

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Store is still a good day for you when it happens.

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Speaker 2: It would never be the same. I don't really separate anymore.

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I really don't. As a matter of fact.

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Speaker 1: A couple of years back, a friend of mine wanted

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me to go on a hike withh them. I forgot

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where it was at. It was in Kentucky somewhere, and Louisville, Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: Make a trip of it. But I said, I can't

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do it. I couldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: And then you know what, and this is the funniest thing,

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This is so crazy. I forgot to mention this earlier.

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A friend of mine named Bobby, he lives like three

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blocks from me. He wanted because he knows my story,

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because you know, I'll let him see the video. He said, Uh,

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why don't we go next weekend to Montgomery Bell State

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Park and camp out just for one night, and so

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you could face your fear just in case, just just

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face it, just do it and just face it. And

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then if nothing happens, then you know, hey, you conquered,

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you know, you conquer that fear, that fear, and you know,

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just and I'll be with you. He's got a gun,

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he says, if anything happens, I'll be right here. He

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just relax and just you know, and I know exactly

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where we were, I mean, like where we camped, so

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I could go back there if I wanted to. But

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I'm like, I don't think I could do it. I

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don't think I could do it. But I want to

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ask you that, would you do it? No?

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Speaker 3: No, that's too much weight on young back. It's been

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all these years that have gone by since the experience.

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But yeah, I mean you're really just starting your recovery

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now and you're not ready for that, especially if something happened.

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So no, i'd definitely wait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought so, I thought that's what you

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were saying.

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Speaker 3: Well you thought, right, Yeah, that's what I would tell you.

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How far were you and Chris from camp when you

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continued on and wound up seeing that dog me in.

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Speaker 1: There's about half a mile because it's a whole mouth

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of trail, so we was like a half a quarter

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of a mile from the from that I.

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Speaker 3: See, okay, so not really far away, but a decent distance.

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Speaker 1: Then Yeah, yeah, I didn't know really, I just let's say,

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three quarters of away off the trail, you know, from

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the beaten path of the camp.

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Speaker 3: Well that's a decent distance. When you two headed back

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to camp, though, could you hear it following you?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: No, I heard some noise, but you know, I didn't

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think too much of it. I thought it would be

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like a an animal.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think anything of it. That's time.

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Speaker 3: Well you had no reason too. You can't be folded for.

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Speaker 2: That, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: Plus you have to understand it's been twenty five years too,

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so uh, you know, it's it's kind of blurry some spots,

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you know. But the more I think about, the more

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I come up with. Okay, this is I forgot, you know,

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this is coming into mind or that's coming into mind.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but it at.

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Speaker 1: The time, I didn't take too much of it before

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it before I saw it. I Chris saw it before

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I did. He saw it was he was standing there

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and he saw the thing, and then he froze and

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then he ran back, you know, and he failed and

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I had to pick him up and we ran back

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to the and it seemed like forever.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure it did seem like forever. Yeah, I

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don't doubt that at all. There's something I just don't

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understand about your encounter at all though, RV. And that is,

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if Chris saw it standing there, it sounds like you

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got a pretty darn good look at it. Why didn't

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he insist upon you, guys, blowing the heck out of

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there the moment you got back to camp instead of

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sitting down and winding up listening to music and business

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as usual. I just don't understand that at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't either.

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Speaker 1: He thought it was something like a bear or something,

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because he didn't. He just saw something standing there and

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he had scared him. And I try to tell him

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and convince him it was just a bear, a black

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bear or something like that. I didn't, you know, the

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way he thought.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If he was here, I'll ask him, but I don't know.

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I'm just going to buy what his reaction was and

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what he told me last week.

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Speaker 3: You told us that you told him it was a wolf.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said it could have been a wolf or

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a bear or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure would have been nice if that's what it was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't see anything at that time, so

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I wasn't there with him, like standing there with him

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when he saw something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in my mind, it was probably a.

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Speaker 1: Wolf or katy or or a big bear or something,

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you know, because we do have black bear here, so

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but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But knowing what I know.

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Speaker 1: Now, it was that thing, of course, but he could

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make sense of it. He didn't know what he saw,

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and I was just trying to calm him down and say,

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hey man, you just saw something else. You know, you

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don't really know what you saw. Try to just get

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his mind off of it, and I did for a while.

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It took his mind, I guess, off of it until

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this whole thing happened when it came into our view,

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which my experience started.

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Speaker 3: About five minutes ago. You said that certain aspects of

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the encounter are blurry. It probably is going to come

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as a surprise deal when I say this, but I'm

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glad that's the case. I mean, if certain aspects are blurry,

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then I mean, it's not like this encounter has been

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haunting you as much as it could have. So thank goodness,

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we'll play the glad game anyway we can. When it

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comes to an experience.

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Speaker 2: I'll try to forget.

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Speaker 1: I mean I forgot about it for many years. I

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mean I try not to think. The oird time I

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ever thought about it is like my birthday, of course,

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was the worst time, you know, and then his his

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went the day that he died, I think about him,

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and I think about not why he died, but what

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what helped that come alone, you know, which which is

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very sad to me.

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, you understandably. So how loud were you guys

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playing that music after you got back to camp?

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Speaker 1: I mean, we was playing it loud. It was a

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Sony boon box back in the day. It was really nice.

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It had two cassette players and had a CD player,

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big speakers, and it went off of.

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Speaker 2: Batteries.

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Speaker 1: So and I remember having CDs and Earth were playing CDs,

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and for some reason, I don't know why, but we

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played that metallic CASD twice in a row. I mean,

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we just played that thing out. We're just rocking it,

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you know, and then that's when that thing, I guess.

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And there was a comment on here someone mentioned it,

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and I believe this too, that it could have been

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it because the noise that we were making and the

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loud music, and it kind of it kind of upsetted it,

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you know, it kind of made it mad that you know,

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you're in my woods and you're playing this loud music

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and this heavy metal music and you're loud, you're unoxious.

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I think that could be it too. I think we

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bothered it somehow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that could easily be the case, because they don't

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seem to like that. You're probably spot on. You said

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Unforgiven was playing when the dog Man made its presence

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known to you present day. How do you respond whenever

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you hear that song?

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Speaker 1: Well, it was Unforgiven was less song. That's that's that's

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when it was chasing us into the truck, because I

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remember hearing because it was so loud.

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Speaker 2: It was still playing.

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Speaker 1: But there's Unforgiven was playing the first time, the first

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encounter when it came into view, Unforgiven was planned, and

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then that was playing afterwards. But those I don't listen

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to Metallica anymore because of that. It brings back, It's

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like a it sets it off.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's understandable. When the dog Men came into camp,

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did it seem to have any fear of your campfire

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or was it pretty much indifferent?

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Speaker 1: Well, like I said before, it was just standing there

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and then it started walking back. It was pasting back

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and forth in front of the fire like but it

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was at a little distance. Where you can still see

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it with the fire, but it's not too close, you know,

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so you could still see it.

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Speaker 2: But it was going.

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Speaker 1: It was pacing back and forth, and it could be

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the fire why it didn't attack. It could be the

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music because the music was still blaring, you know, and

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it kind of turned its head a little bit, you know,

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it was looking at us, and that's part while I

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start howling. Maybe the music made it howl. Maybe this

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the loudness of it, you know, the noise. Yeah, man,

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it was kind of crazy.

477
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Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy doesn't do it any justice. Holy cow.

478
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: I really wish I knew what it was thinking when

479
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,480
it when when it was doing all that.

480
00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:42,799
Speaker 2: We would love to know what its thought was, its

481
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:43,680
thought process.

482
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:47,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, if we can know that, it would probably be

483
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:50,359
pretty interesting. I don't doubt that at all. So as

484
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,039
it was pacing back and forth, from how you saw it,

485
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:56,079
it didn't seem to be mindful of the fire.

486
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,119
Speaker 1: I don't think it mined seruly, but I doubt it

487
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,720
was going to go closer, you know, to the fire

488
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,039
than that. But you know, but it knew the fire

489
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,759
was there, and it was pacing because I guess it

490
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,680
was waiting for us to move or run, you know,

491
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,920
like like a wild animal. You know, when they catch

492
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,839
their prey, their prey are normally running from it, and

493
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,279
they will play a game with it before they kill it.

494
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking, you know, a much later.

495
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: Well, you had every reason to think that was going on.

496
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,319
How far was your camp from where you'd expect other

497
00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:42,920
people to be.

498
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: Well, okay, someone made a comment last night about that too.

499
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: It's it's on.

500
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,079
Speaker 1: It's on there on the comments saying, well, you know,

501
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:59,720
it's funny how it happened around camp other camps. But

502
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,480
here's the thing about that. We wasn't around other camps.

503
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,359
We're at a distance. We was twenty almost fifteen to

504
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,720
twenty minutes from the gate. The gate, there's after you

505
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,599
entered the gate, there's the hotel room the hotel, there's

506
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,200
the restaurant, and on each side there's cabins okay, and

507
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,640
then there's other like picnic areas and whatnot, you know,

508
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,119
And then there's RV park, like an RV park where

509
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:32,720
you can park RV, hook up everything you need right there.

510
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,680
So you have trails. Then you have this big road

511
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,559
that goes down okay, so many miles. Then that's nothing

512
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:49,359
but wooded area. There's no other camps around, so there

513
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,240
was no one around except for us at that time,

514
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:55,079
you know. And it was late at night, you know,

515
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:58,799
and I could have screamed as loud as I could

516
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:02,039
and no one would never hit hear me, you know.

517
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,960
So it's like you're when we got up to the gate,

518
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:11,839
there was no one around either way, because it's not summertime,

519
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,880
and summertime it's packed full of people.

520
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: This was September.

521
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,599
Speaker 1: This this was just you know, normal, you know, this

522
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:26,279
was the the down time of the campground. We had

523
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,200
a few RVs that were there camping out or whatever.

524
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,200
Then we had like a few tents here and there.

525
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,880
We had uh uh, there was some people uh in

526
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,400
the cabins, but there was really no one there. It

527
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:47,480
wasn't packed at all. It was out of season. It

528
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:50,119
wasn't during the summer summer season.

529
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,839
Speaker 3: I'll bet you guys were really remote that night when

530
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:57,279
the dog men started howling, did you start to feel

531
00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:00,920
nauseous to notice any other unexpected sensations.

532
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,799
Speaker 1: Yes, I felt sick to my stomach, but not to

533
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,680
the point of throwing up. I just felt sick because

534
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,640
of the vibrations of its howling and it is growling

535
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,880
and just being just scared to death.

536
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: I bet you were, understandably, So why do you think

537
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,440
the dog man waited until between nine and ten that

538
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:26,799
night to really ram things up? He could have done

539
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:27,759
that a lot earlier.

540
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: Well, he could have done that right then.

541
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: He could have attacked us both, but for some reason

542
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,680
he wasn't ready or you know, he was waiting for

543
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,880
us to run, but he went back into the woods.

544
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,160
But I could still hear him howling, and I can still,

545
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:47,480
you know, hear the trees, you know, the the the

546
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:52,519
noise that he was making, and you know, over you know,

547
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,880
there's the creek and it was the wooded area.

548
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 3: I guess that's an unfair question because you just can't

549
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,319
think for these things anymore than you can think for

550
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:01,960
a person.

551
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't understand it.

552
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I could think about it all

553
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,720
I want, but I can't pinpoint why it did what

554
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,880
it did and the way it acted.

555
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: It acted kind of funny.

556
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like that, and I haven't seen

557
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:23,039
anything like that since. But yeah, the only time it

558
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:25,119
attacked attacked that truck, you know.

559
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure sounds like it did. Unfortunately, you wind up

560
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:34,079
getting a really good look at it in a way,

561
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,400
do you wish you wouldn't have seen it so well?

562
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:37,839
Or are you glad that you did?

563
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,519
Speaker 2: You know, Chris, I wished he would never even been there.

564
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: I think he'd said, well, we made a mistake coming here,

565
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:52,519
which I totally agreed at the time. But at the

566
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,880
same time, I wish it would have just been me

567
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,200
by myself there because if I would have seen it,

568
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:02,720
I could debt with it better, and Chris wouldn't have

569
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:06,599
been going through all that, and he wouldn't have been.

570
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: And all that, you know, had to face that.

571
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: I can appreciate you saying that and feeling that way,

572
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,599
but yeah, if you have to have an experience like that,

573
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,079
I'm just glad that Chris was there with you. I

574
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,599
hate the fact that he's gone is a direct result

575
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,320
of the fallout, but yeah, I'm just so glad you

576
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,480
weren't there alone to have to deal with that. I

577
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:29,079
really am.

578
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

579
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean I was more intrigued than anything after it happened.

580
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,960
I was more intrigued, you know, instead. You know, at

581
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,360
the time I was scared to death, but after that

582
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,119
I was like more like intrigued of what it was like,

583
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,559
I would like to know more about it, or I'm

584
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,679
just wondering what that thing was for real?

585
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: You know, well, speaking of that, you saw it so, well,

586
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,360
what do you think it was a flesh and blood creature,

587
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:57,960
a spiritual entity or something else.

588
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: Oh? I knew it was flesh and blood.

589
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: I mean I spelled it, you know, because the wind

590
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,079
was blowing towards us and I smelled like a wet dog.

591
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: I knew it was real.

592
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,639
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way that thing could have been

593
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:13,880
spiritual or a ghost or our entity.

594
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 2: That thing was totally real.

595
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,679
Speaker 1: If it was real enough to jump on a truck

596
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:27,960
and physically attack the truck, it had to be real.

597
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:32,039
Speaker 3: I can appreciate you feeling that way, but we don't

598
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:34,239
know if a spiritual being could do that, if they

599
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,440
have weight when they're here or not. So it just

600
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,800
makes me wonder if it would have been a spiritual being,

601
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,599
if it could have done the same thing, jump onto

602
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:44,760
the back of the truck and cause it to go down.

603
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,039
And speaking of that, when you consider how far in

604
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,400
the back of the truck dropped when it jumped in,

605
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,239
how much do you think it weighed?

606
00:35:55,159 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: That thing had to weigh four hundred pounds maybe or

607
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,559
five hundred pounds. I mean that thing was heavy. I

608
00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:06,639
mean when it hit because when I when I jump

609
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:09,280
on a truck, I you know, it bury your moves

610
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:14,719
because those old trucks have really good shocks. But that thing,

611
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,280
when that thing jumped, it was like somebody dropped a

612
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,000
whole bed of bricks on that truck.

613
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:24,199
Speaker 2: You know, It's just it was heavy, all I bet

614
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:24,639
it was.

615
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: And I could hear the nails like on top of

616
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:32,679
the truck, on the on the uh the uh very

617
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,360
top of the roof of the truck.

618
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: I could I could hear the clowing that the nails.

619
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,599
Speaker 3: Well, like I told you before, these guys I know

620
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,599
exactly what they're doing. They know how to push your

621
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,559
buttons and when they forced an encounter to happen in

622
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:49,760
a lot of cases, that's exactly what they do. So

623
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,039
that doesn't surprise me.

624
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was wondering, like just last night, what

625
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,760
would have happened if I would have like got out

626
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,800
of the truck try to face it, like you got

627
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,039
out of the truck trying to fight it or or whatever.

628
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,719
Would have probably would have attacked me rotten in.

629
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,519
Speaker 3: It's only natural to have questions like that bouncing around

630
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:14,800
in your head. But if it was in the back

631
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,400
of the truck, it had access to you. It wasn't

632
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,639
like it didn't have access to you before you got

633
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:23,199
into the truck. If it really wanted to take you out,

634
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,360
it had every opportunity to just run into your camp

635
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,000
and dispose of you too. But that didn't happen because

636
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,639
it didn't want to take you too out. It just

637
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:36,280
wanted to push your buttons. So yeah, maybe the act

638
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,360
of you getting out of the truck and standing right

639
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,400
there in front of it, it might have caused certain

640
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,000
things to happen. In its head. It might have thought

641
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,199
that you were challenging it or something like that, and

642
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,239
then maybe it would have hurt you. We don't know.

643
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,159
We can't think for these things. But yeah, the big

644
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:54,239
thing I want you to never forget about that experience

645
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,800
is this is not a case of limited access. It

646
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,719
had all the access to you guys it would have wanted,

647
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,039
So please keep that in mind.

648
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we was open. I mean we was you know,

649
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:10,599
we was just standing ducks. I mean, anything could have

650
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:12,679
happened that he he could have done anything.

651
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: He wanted at that time. Oh sure, I mean there was.

652
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:23,079
Speaker 3: There, definitely was. It's good you understand that. When it

653
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:26,199
could see clearly that Chris was crying and that you

654
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,320
were so rattled, did it seem to be enjoying that

655
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:31,360
or did it seem to be indifferent?

656
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:35,199
Speaker 1: Well, when when Chris was crying, and he was crying

657
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:40,000
pretty hard and loud, like oh no, oh god, no, no, no,

658
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,559
like I've never seen a man crying like that day

659
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:48,760
in my life. But he was crying. I mean, he

660
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,679
knew it could have been it, but I was just

661
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:52,920
I was frozen solid.

662
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,679
Speaker 2: I couldn't even make a sound. But he was.

663
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,519
Speaker 1: It was very vocal about it. But this thing was

664
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,440
just staring, going back and forth, pacing, and but he

665
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,719
was looking more at him because he was crying, and

666
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,280
I kind of said stop it like that, like please

667
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:12,719
like that. And when that thing grabbed real loud and

668
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,079
he hold, Chris stopped. Like I said in the last story,

669
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:18,000
he stopped.

670
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he stopped.

671
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: Because he knew that maybe this, by me crying, maybe

672
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,559
this is going to set him off even more, you know,

673
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,639
or upset this thing more. I don't want to upset

674
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:33,639
this thing. I don't want to do anything that's going

675
00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:40,119
to make this thing want to attack, so we didn't

676
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:45,320
want to trigger it. So we were trying to stay quiet,

677
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:50,239
you know. But with me, I was stationary. I was quiet.

678
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:55,440
I couldn't say anything really, but it was a scary moment. Man,

679
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:02,119
it was a really scary moment, even to I. You know,

680
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,239
I think about it, you know, every once in a while,

681
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,239
but mostly on my birthday.

682
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 2: It's really bad. I know.

683
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,639
Speaker 1: If I did ever go back to Montgomery Belle, it

684
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,159
probably in the daytime and it would probably just probably

685
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,159
be up to the gate like in that area.

686
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,079
Speaker 2: But I would never go back down into the woods.

687
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 3: Well that's understandable. You two really need to be commended

688
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,880
for how you held it together. Of course, Chris was

689
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,559
crying almost inconsolably, and you were so rattled, but you

690
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:41,440
two still held it together. You did what you needed

691
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,960
to do, and I think you should be commended. I

692
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:47,880
really do. Again, Chris passed away because of the trauma

693
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,159
from that experience, but when all the bullets were flying,

694
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,519
you two held it down.

695
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he you know, I think by it

696
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,039
happening to both of us, we was both there, so

697
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,840
we kind of had each other's back, you know, and

698
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,800
We kept each other accountable from that experience, like, Okay,

699
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,960
this is what we need to do. We need to

700
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,679
get this truck started. So while he was hooking that

701
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,079
up trying to start it, I was kind of like

702
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:19,320
a lookout, you know, like mines was stuck on that area.

703
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,199
But after I attacked the truck, after we got back

704
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,280
the next day, that truck was all scarred up, scratched up,

705
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,480
you know, not the size of the truck, just from

706
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,360
the top of the roof of the truck, all the

707
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,159
ready down to the bed, especially the bed was tore up,

708
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,320
all scratched up.

709
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,599
Speaker 2: So we had proof.

710
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: But David, we showed him that and he's like, uh, y'all,

711
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,800
just y'all did that? I said, why would he Why

712
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,400
would he do it to his truck that? I don't understand?

713
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:48,599
What sense would that?

714
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: What? What would what would that make? You know?

715
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: So, David, you couldn't tell that man anything. You couldn't

716
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,199
you couldn't make him understanding thing. He was very cocky

717
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,000
and just.

718
00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's unfortunate.

719
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: And I really wish he would have been there that night,

720
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,079
like he didn't leave that day.

721
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 2: Earlier. I wish he would have stayed and saw this

722
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:16,559
thing with us.

723
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,519
Speaker 3: He probably wouldn't have been able to handle it. Then

724
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,400
it's unfortunate, you know it is though you can't put

725
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,280
any water in a cup that's already full, and I

726
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,119
say his cup already was full. It really is unfortunate.

727
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:33,599
Is it was pacing back and forth, back and forth.

728
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,800
It sounds to me like it might have been doing

729
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,320
that because it didn't know what to do next. Was

730
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,760
that the impression that you got or did you get

731
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:41,400
a different one?

732
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: Well, the impression was that he was trying to make

733
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,000
up his mind which one he's going to kill first, Like,

734
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,719
you know, do I want to take this one that's

735
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,159
crying and making this noise, or do I want to

736
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,199
just get this one that's stationary that's not making any noise.

737
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,159
Plus the music wasn't helping, you know. I think it

738
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,320
was pissing him off even more. It was upsetting this

739
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,039
thing even more.

740
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:05,599
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure it was. I should have been more

741
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:09,679
clear with that question. I think these guys would expect,

742
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,159
after doing what it did for people to just run

743
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,320
to pick up and run. But when you two didn't,

744
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,840
I wonder if that kind of put it off of

745
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,159
its game. And earlier about five to ten minutes ago,

746
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:25,159
you said something that gave me the impression that you

747
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,440
might have been thinking that way.

748
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,639
Speaker 1: No, I wanted to run, but I couldn't get myself

749
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,639
the courage to run. And plus, why would you want

750
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:34,000
to run?

751
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: Why?

752
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: Why would anybody run from an animal that's about to

753
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,000
tack like a big animal like that. You know, that's

754
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,519
the least thing I want to do is run, because

755
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,039
I know it's going to outrun me, and there's nothing

756
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:50,400
that I could do. I'd rather just stand there and

757
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,679
see what it would do. Maybe it will just go

758
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:53,519
off on its own.

759
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:57,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might That might be the case. We're never

760
00:43:57,559 --> 00:43:59,360
going to know. All we can do is yes, but

761
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:03,400
it might be. So if you have the opportunity to

762
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,719
go on a dog me in field investigation, Harvey, would

763
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,320
you or are you good on that?

764
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 2: You know what I might be able to doubt?

765
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: Like I said before, I was a treed and now

766
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:23,039
right now I'm really a treed about I really want

767
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:26,480
to know what this thing is truly is, and I

768
00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:27,480
probably would do it.

769
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,079
Speaker 3: I know some good dog mean investigators. In my opinion,

770
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:33,960
is way too soon for you to even think about

771
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,320
doing something like that. But down the road. I mean,

772
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,159
if you want to see that through, I think I

773
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,199
could make that happen. So just something to keep in mind.

774
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,199
Speaker 1: If anybody wants to do it with me, we'll take

775
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:49,480
a trip out there and we'll do it. You know,

776
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,760
we'll go to that safe spot and stay overnight and

777
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,519
see what happens.

778
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 3: Truth be told, I hope you never see another dog,

779
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,880
mean as long as you live. But who's to say

780
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,159
if you went back to that spot, you just might

781
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:05,480
have another encounter. You never know, you know what.

782
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,159
Speaker 1: I doubt this thing is still alive. It's been twenty

783
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:12,440
five years. I think was old looking. I doubt that

784
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,000
thing is still there. Well, you never know. It's hard

785
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,280
to say how long they live. Part of a fair

786
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,960
amount of time passed between the moment when you first

787
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,320
noticed it it come to your camp and when you left.

788
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:28,599
Between noticing it being there and when you left, did

789
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:31,960
you ever notice any screened urine smell? A strong smell

790
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,760
of urine.

791
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: No, No, just like a wet dog smell, Just.

792
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: That wet dog smell. Sometimes eyewitnesses report that wet dog smell.

793
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:45,320
Sometimes they report a really strong smell of urine. Sometimes

794
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,119
they report rotting meat. The smell of rotting meat, all

795
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:52,360
sorts of things like that. Sometimes all of those smells together.

796
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,159
So yeah, that's why I asked about that.

797
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was just the funk and wet dog smell.

798
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty common for these cases. When it jumped

799
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,320
into the bed of your truck and was clawing at

800
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,960
the back window like you were telling us, I'm sure

801
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,199
you were convinced it was trying to end you too.

802
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,440
But if it really wanted to end you, why do

803
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,679
you think it waited until you two got back into

804
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,679
the truck to come after you. We've touched on this earlier,

805
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,719
but just for clarity, I wanted to ask you that

806
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:24,639
pointed question.

807
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: Yes, well, you know, it depends on the person asked

808
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,840
the question. I means it could have happened both ways.

809
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,320
It could have been just playing with us and just

810
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,599
wanted us out of that area.

811
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,199
Speaker 2: You know, since we were making all this noise.

812
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: Maybe we were in its area and it wanted us away.

813
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:50,360
It wanted us out, which makes a lot of sense.

814
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:54,159
But at the same time, on the other flip of

815
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:57,719
the coin, it could have easily be like, hey, it

816
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,800
was about to attack because we ran from it, and

817
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:05,639
it's found its chance to attack. And another thing when

818
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:10,000
it was clawing at the top of the truck, the arms,

819
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,559
like the weight of the arms hit the truck and

820
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:18,320
you could hear it like like hitting. You know, if

821
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,880
you take your hand and hit the hood of a

822
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,320
car or a truck, it would have that sound to it.

823
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: Is those up there doing all that? Did it puncture

824
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,559
the roof of the truck? And that's how it was

825
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,559
holding on and avoided being thrown out of the bed

826
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:35,679
or if not, how did it hold on?

827
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:41,159
Speaker 1: Well, it held on until we went real fast. We

828
00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:46,159
floored it. It didn't latch onto anything, I don't think,

829
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,440
but I know it didn't crunch your light with its claws,

830
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:54,760
but it did dand up the top or a little

831
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,239
bit when it was hitting it, and it was, you know,

832
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:03,199
just scratching it. But like I said in the main story,

833
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,199
once he floored it, it tried to catch on, tried

834
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,199
to hold on, but it couldn't, so we threw it off.

835
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: I hope it hit a tree trunk when it fell out.

836
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.

837
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,599
Speaker 1: When it fell out, it kind of rolled a little bit,

838
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:22,119
and it stood up and it ran a little bit,

839
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:24,719
and then I guess it figured day this thing is

840
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,119
going too fast, so he ran back to the camp

841
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,559
because the rito was still on and this thing and

842
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:34,480
just went crazy. You know, the sound of the music,

843
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,159
the sound probably bothered it, and.

844
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: You know it probably set it off somehow.

845
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure they have sensitive ears, so you might

846
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,880
be onto something in there. As hard to believe as

847
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,639
it might be, Harvey, you actually feel lucky in a

848
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:53,519
way they have had that encounter. Please talk us through that.

849
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

850
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: You know, anytime you go through a dramatic experience like

851
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,079
a car accident or a lot of times a plane

852
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:07,760
accident that you actually survive, you really feel like you're

853
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,960
a lucky person to survive it. And I've known, like

854
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:17,079
I've read that some people that that been attacked by

855
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:21,559
animals like like a bear and they actually survive it,

856
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,679
that they have that kind of momentally we survived this,

857
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,360
and I'm a I'm a I'm a survivor because of it,

858
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,719
not because I want to be. It's because that's the

859
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:40,760
just the experience that I have. And uh, that's why

860
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,280
I'm so into telling my story now more than ever,

861
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,440
because there's listeners that will listen, there's a platform, and

862
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,800
there's people that are willing to listen to it and

863
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:56,400
and understand that anybody could go through this, anybody could

864
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,760
be a survivor. And you can't survive something like this,

865
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:04,760
you know. You have to be level headed and you

866
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,000
have to be very smart enough to know that running

867
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,960
is not the best way out of it. Sometimes you

868
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,360
just have to stand still and wait for this thing

869
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:18,840
to you know, because this thing is wait for you

870
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:19,280
to move.

871
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,559
Speaker 2: That's why it was pacing. It was waiting for someone

872
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:23,039
to move.

873
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:27,519
Speaker 1: But while we weren't moving, it kind of got bored,

874
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:30,079
I guess, and it left, but its stayed in the air.

875
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:32,880
It stayed right there in the area because we heard it.

876
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:36,079
But we decided to leave that it was either now

877
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:39,320
or never, because we knew if this thing came back

878
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,519
and we were still sitting there, chances are in might attack,

879
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,719
so we took our chances.

880
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 3: Well, it goes without saying I'm so glad you left.

881
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:51,519
I really am. Well, it's about time for us to

882
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:53,880
get out of here at Harvey. But before we do,

883
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,599
do you have any closing comments you want to put

884
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:57,119
out there for us?

885
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:58,639
Speaker 2: Oh?

886
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much, Vic for this opportunity.

887
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: Again, and.

888
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: It's not easy, especially for someone like me. To come

889
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:19,639
out and tell the story, even though sometimes it could

890
00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:24,039
be hard. Sometimes it could be easy, but it's easier

891
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:26,960
now than if I would have done it, let's say

892
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:31,559
ten years ago or fifteen years ago. I decided recently

893
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:34,960
it was time. So thank you so much for you

894
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,960
to take the time to help me with this and

895
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:43,679
get this out there. The more I get this thing

896
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,559
out there, the story out there, the more it's going

897
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:48,760
to help other people that's going through the experience or

898
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:55,840
went through the experience years later to get through this.

899
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:03,119
And everyone that's listening, you're not alone. Everyone that's been

900
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:07,760
through this, we have to stick together as a community.

901
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,639
We should help each other get through it, to cancel

902
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:17,400
each other. And that's what I'm here for now, is

903
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,159
to help other people that's been through it as the

904
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:27,079
only person that's going to understand you as people that

905
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:29,480
has been through it themselves.

906
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:34,119
Speaker 3: That's all well said. It really is and softly impressive

907
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:36,880
that after all this you've been through, you're so focused

908
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,119
on trying to help other eyewitnesses. I'm really impressed. I

909
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:43,960
really am. But having said that, thanks again so much

910
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,400
for coming back on to do this Q and A. Harvey.

911
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,639
I really do appreciate it, and please never forget the

912
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:51,559
fact that you're never going to be alone in this.

913
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,760
If you ever need help down the road, all you

914
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,679
have to do is just let me know and I'll

915
00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:56,400
be there for you.

916
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Vic for everything you've done, and

917
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,880
thank you for what you're doing. What you're doing is awesome.

918
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,039
Speaker 3: Oh you're welcome, you know. Like I told you before,

919
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:09,800
I thought wouldn't have it any other way. But having

920
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,119
said that, thanks again so much for your time and

921
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:26,440
have a great night.