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Speaker 2: Book.
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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. On last week's show,
episode six thirty nine, tonight's guest came on and talked
about a really traumatic Dogman encounter he and his friend
Chris had in Montgomery Bell State Park in Tennessee. Due
to how much he had to share about his encounter,
I didn't have time to ask him any of the
questions I wanted to ask about his experience, so I
asked him about coming back this week to do a
Q and A. He agreed, So here we are, Harvey,
welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: It's good to be back.
Speaker 3: Well, it's good having you. We appreciate your time, Harvey.
For anyone who missed episode six thirty nine last Friday night,
please tell us about yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I've lived in Nashville all my life and I'm
forty eight years old.
Speaker 2: I'm a musician.
Speaker 1: I play a lot downtown Nashville and the surrounding areas.
I went to high school Stretford High School in East Nashville,
and you know, I'd like to, you know, do a
lot of things when it comes to activities. I liked,
you know, to jog, go on camps, hiking, fishing. I
love karaoke, anything musical, you know. I like to watch movies,
just you know, just normal things that a lot of
people like to do. I'm a very simple person. I
try not to be very complex, you know, as for
you know, some of my friends, like Chris, you know,
he was a very complex person even to begin with.
Speaker 2: But that's about it. With me. I'm just a simple person.
You know.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what's ironic. I wouldn't be surprised if
someone listening to the show right now is listen to
you perform in public. You said you're a drummer and
you're in a band. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody
listening actually was there present when you're performing with the
band sometime.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I mean, you know, like with the video
of the last show, I've kind of, you know, told
all my friends about it and you know, and told them,
you know, you need to watch this because this is
exactly what I had to go through back in the day,
and it was a big shock to them that I
had to go through such an old deal. But yeah,
a lot of my fans, you know, they listened to it.
And the word gets around very quickly. In Nashville. It's
a big town, but it's also small as well, especially
when you're a musician. All the musicians kind of know
each other or they know someone that new the other person.
So the word gets around very very quickly. So I'm
pretty sure this video will also.
Speaker 3: Yeah just might you never know. And now that you've
done that, please give us a brief flyover if your encounter.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, to make everything short as I can,
but make more sense, you know. We it was my
birthday that weekend, and you know, we decided to go
to Montgomery Bell State Park and we went just to
have a good time, just to get away. I just
graduated that year that May, and well, we went to
the park and we hung out. And then the next day,
this was a Saturday. This was actually my birthday, the
twenty seventh, Actually, no, the twenty seven was the Friday.
The twenty eighth was Saturday. David had to go back
home because he had to go to work. So after
he left, we went to lunch at the restaurant that
was there on on.
Speaker 2: Campus, which was you know it.
Speaker 1: Was it would have been too far to walk, so
we drove the twenty minutes to the edge of the
gate that's where the hotel in the restaurant was from
our campain spot. So we went to eat lunch and
then we went hiking, which wasn't my idea because I'm
not a hiker.
Speaker 2: At the time, I was not a hiker, but Chris was.
Speaker 1: He was a very you know, he was always in sports,
very tough guy, and he loved to go hiking and
that was one of his past times.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we went and then.
Speaker 1: The park had ten different paths you know that you
could go down, you know, different areas of the trails
that you could you could pick. Well, he picked one
of the worst ones, which is a big hill that
went very far up and not you know, I tried
and I we went like almost a quarter of away
and I had to rest. So I told him, hey,
just go ahead and leave, go ahead and finish the
hike and I either I I'll catch up with you
or I'll meet you back at the camp, which he
was okay with. So I saw him just walking around
and he was walking around the bend around the trail
went like a big bend and there was a lot
of bushes and trees. So I saw his head but
not his body at the time when he went so
far and he stopped and I saw his face and
he just like was staring for like a minute or two,
you know, it was like but it seemed like forever.
And then he screamed and we ran back without even
knowing what was going on until we got back to
the camp and he told me all about it, and
then I'm like, ah, it could have been it could
have been anything. I guess it could have been a
bear or or raccoon or since we don't have you know,
I don't believe because I don't believe we have wolves here.
I believe we have like foxes, but they're very big foxes.
So uh yeah. I didn't believe him at the time
until that night when it came out of the woods
and there was a creak and then he kind of
like the thing would just splashing water, and I thought, Okay,
maybe it was a deer or something. Then it went
around and it came into view from the campfire. So
the thing was awful. It was black It stood about
six foot six foot five.
Speaker 2: It had little hair.
Speaker 1: Even the hair that it did have, it was very
thin and was like an older dog man it was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't young.
Speaker 1: It was kind of old looking wrinkles, and then it
some of the hair was missing from the side of
his face, which looked like it was scarred up. So
I don't, I don't. It's been through a lot physically.
But the whole time it was growling. It gave a
few howls at that time. Then it was just growling,
and then it was staring it right into our eyes
with the emerald green eyes and had a long snout.
A couple of its teeth canin teeth. There was a
kN on tooth and there was a tooth next to it.
I think that was missing, so it was missing some teeth.
But it was growling, and it was you know, salava
was coming from its mouth and like foaming.
Speaker 2: It was just very very aggressive, very mean looking.
Speaker 1: But it was going back and forth like like a
line would go in the cage. We'll go back and forth.
But it was staring at us the whole time, and
they would look at me, they would look at Chris,
and we're thinking you know, it's just trying to pick
which one it wants to get first or whatever it's
about to attack, you know, That's what we thought. And
the whole time Chris was crying and I was like
just frozen solid. I couldn't do anything. I couldn't scream.
It was a bad situation all the way through and through.
So to make the story really short, we after it left,
it went back into the woods. Then we got what
we could and we, let you know, got into the
truck and the truck wouldn't start, so we jump started
it with this little charger that we had. It was
only good for one charge. So we finally got that
thing started. So we got in roll the windows up,
and by the time we did that, the thing jumped
on the back of the truck, on the bed of
the truck, and then uh, it was was clawing at
the back windshield. Not not the not the windows on
each side of the truck. No, it was on the
back windshield. It was trying to get in. It was scratching,
and it was scratching on top of the top of
the truck, on top of the roof of the truck,
and I could feel it like every time it scratched.
Speaker 2: It hit the truck.
Speaker 1: Real hard, you know, and and it was growling and
it was constantly growling and you know, and just howling,
and it wanted end.
Speaker 2: It warned us.
Speaker 1: I think that's when it you know, you never run
away from you know, when when when the animals pray runs,
it wants it's going to chase that prey. So that's
why I thought we were pray at the time. But
once we once Chris stepped on it and he floored it,
it jerked and that thing fell off. So and then
after that we went to David's house the next day
told him he didn't believe us.
Speaker 2: There was a big fight, there.
Speaker 1: Was some chosen words, and we quit being friends with
David because of this. So even to this day, when
I talked to David, I actually called him last night
to tell him about you know, you know, he needs
to watch the video. And he says, not this again,
you know, you need to stop, not this again. You
know that never happened.
Speaker 2: Stop it. Well, he's in denial.
Speaker 1: That anything could even possibly happen, you know, And he said,
you know, Chris, you know, Chris died because it was stupidity.
And I told him I said, no, David, you don't understand.
After this whole ordeal, Chris was never the same after that.
It destroyed his life. Even Chris even said it, this
experience destroyed his life. He was depressed all the time,
he was suicidal. He was this It was that there
was a lot of things that he took too many chances,
like you know, jumping onto a train and then jumping
off of it, you know once it slowed down. You know,
this man had a death wish because of this thing.
It did something to him. It drained his personality. He
was never the same.
Speaker 2: And then you.
Speaker 1: Know, he died in two thousand, August tenth of two
thousand from a dirt bike accident. So yeah, he was
always playing with death. Like after that happened. Before that happened,
he was just awesome, you know, he was. He was
never like that until afterwards. So it really changed his
life for the worst. But it changed I believe it
changed mind for the better because I've.
Speaker 2: Learned a lot, you know, in the recent week.
Speaker 1: And this past week has been a lot to take in,
and the show Friday really helped me to make note
of it and make sense of what just happened. You know,
even if it was twenty five years ago, it felt
like it just happened again. It was DAJRV because it's
like I'm reliving this whole thing again, you know. And
last night I had a dream about it and I
woke up.
Speaker 2: In CoA sweats and.
Speaker 1: You know, it was just like reliving that whole thing
again with Chris, and I wanted to break down. Seriously,
I wanted to break down. It's like, should did I
make a mistake coming out with this because I didn't.
I didn't feel like this before, but now feeling guilty
like I shouldn't have done it. But I know I
have to do it because Chris would have wanted me
to do it. You know, tell the story, and the
people out there, the listeners that's been through this with
dog Man or any experience, would know that this thing
could happen, and you know, trauma could happen to anyone
at any given minute.
Speaker 2: So I'm just happy that. I'm just glad that people see.
Speaker 1: The truth behind the story and understand the story and
take something out of it and make it their own
or make make it a positive thing instead of saying
poor me, poor me, or poor Chris yes, poor Chris,
but you know Chris will want someone to learn from
that instead of being like poor Chris or feel sorry
for him.
Speaker 3: Good man for him to feel that way. And you know,
obviously you knew him as well as pretty much anyone.
So when you say that about him, I believe with
that in mind, if Chris was still here, do you
think he'd want to come on the show with you
and talk about the encounter or do you think he'd
avoid it?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think he would. He's just that kind
of person. I don't think he would. You know, even
back then, you know, a lot of time has passed since,
you know, from ninety from ninety seven to two thousand
when he died. Those years he didn't talk about He
didn't even talk about it.
Speaker 2: He didn't mention it. He didn't even movies.
Speaker 1: About vampires and where was he stopped watching them. He
didn't want anything to do with anything like that. He
just wanted to stay away from it. And Halloween, that
was his favorite time of the year. He didn't even
celebrate Halloween. It really turned him around in a negative way.
I don't think he will open up like I have.
I don't think you would. No, I know he wouldn't.
That's just not who he was. But I'm pretty sure
he will accept what I did, accept me coming out
and telling my story. Basically, that's what I did, and
I decided to do that. But I picked your show
because out of all the shows I all the broadcast
shows online, I picked you for a reason because I
I pretty much trust what you were all about, and
you were there to help instead of making a big deal,
you know, making a spectacle about it, or or just
having a show. You really mean what you say and do,
and you really care about the people involved.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks so much of the kind words. I don't
think enough credit can go out to the listeners either,
because they play a huge part in all the help.
They really do. They help more than they're ever going
to realize. They definitely do.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they help with all the great comments. Keep
it coming, guys. It makes me feel better about what
I did, And thank you that there's a lot of
comments in that I've helped them in some way or
another with my story and I pretty much appreciate that.
And I'm just here to help just like anyone else.
Speaker 3: You're a good man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The fact you have that concern that says everything about
your good character. It really does. And you touched on
this a moment ago. I'm sure Chris is just smiling
down on you, and he's so proud you mustered the
courage to come forward and put this experience out there.
Like you said, if you was here, he wouldn't want
to do it himself. But I'm sure he's still smiling.
Speaker 1: Nonetheless, Yeah, Chris was just the sweetest guy, and I
was very lucky to have him in my life since
I'm the only child.
Speaker 2: He was like a big brother. You know.
Speaker 3: That sounds to me like you're lucky to have each other.
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Speaker 2: It would never be the same. I don't really separate anymore.
I really don't. As a matter of fact.
Speaker 1: A couple of years back, a friend of mine wanted
me to go on a hike withh them. I forgot
where it was at. It was in Kentucky somewhere, and Louisville, Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Make a trip of it. But I said, I can't
do it. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: And then you know what, and this is the funniest thing,
This is so crazy. I forgot to mention this earlier.
A friend of mine named Bobby, he lives like three
blocks from me. He wanted because he knows my story,
because you know, I'll let him see the video. He said, Uh,
why don't we go next weekend to Montgomery Bell State
Park and camp out just for one night, and so
you could face your fear just in case, just just
face it, just do it and just face it. And
then if nothing happens, then you know, hey, you conquered,
you know, you conquer that fear, that fear, and you know,
just and I'll be with you. He's got a gun,
he says, if anything happens, I'll be right here. He
just relax and just you know, and I know exactly
where we were, I mean, like where we camped, so
I could go back there if I wanted to. But
I'm like, I don't think I could do it. I
don't think I could do it. But I want to
ask you that, would you do it? No?
Speaker 3: No, that's too much weight on young back. It's been
all these years that have gone by since the experience.
But yeah, I mean you're really just starting your recovery
now and you're not ready for that, especially if something happened.
So no, i'd definitely wait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought so, I thought that's what you
were saying.
Speaker 3: Well you thought, right, Yeah, that's what I would tell you.
How far were you and Chris from camp when you
continued on and wound up seeing that dog me in.
Speaker 1: There's about half a mile because it's a whole mouth
of trail, so we was like a half a quarter
of a mile from the from that I.
Speaker 3: See, okay, so not really far away, but a decent distance.
Speaker 1: Then Yeah, yeah, I didn't know really, I just let's say,
three quarters of away off the trail, you know, from
the beaten path of the camp.
Speaker 3: Well that's a decent distance. When you two headed back
to camp, though, could you hear it following you?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: No, I heard some noise, but you know, I didn't
think too much of it. I thought it would be
like a an animal.
Speaker 2: I didn't think anything of it. That's time.
Speaker 3: Well you had no reason too. You can't be folded for.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Plus you have to understand it's been twenty five years too,
so uh, you know, it's it's kind of blurry some spots,
you know. But the more I think about, the more
I come up with. Okay, this is I forgot, you know,
this is coming into mind or that's coming into mind.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but it at.
Speaker 1: The time, I didn't take too much of it before
it before I saw it. I Chris saw it before
I did. He saw it was he was standing there
and he saw the thing, and then he froze and
then he ran back, you know, and he failed and
I had to pick him up and we ran back
to the and it seemed like forever.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure it did seem like forever. Yeah, I
don't doubt that at all. There's something I just don't
understand about your encounter at all though, RV. And that is,
if Chris saw it standing there, it sounds like you
got a pretty darn good look at it. Why didn't
he insist upon you, guys, blowing the heck out of
there the moment you got back to camp instead of
sitting down and winding up listening to music and business
as usual. I just don't understand that at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't either.
Speaker 1: He thought it was something like a bear or something,
because he didn't. He just saw something standing there and
he had scared him. And I try to tell him
and convince him it was just a bear, a black
bear or something like that. I didn't, you know, the
way he thought.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: If he was here, I'll ask him, but I don't know.
I'm just going to buy what his reaction was and
what he told me last week.
Speaker 3: You told us that you told him it was a wolf.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said it could have been a wolf or
a bear or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure would have been nice if that's what it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't see anything at that time, so
I wasn't there with him, like standing there with him
when he saw something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in my mind, it was probably a.
Speaker 1: Wolf or katy or or a big bear or something,
you know, because we do have black bear here, so
but I don't know.
Speaker 2: But knowing what I know.
Speaker 1: Now, it was that thing, of course, but he could
make sense of it. He didn't know what he saw,
and I was just trying to calm him down and say,
hey man, you just saw something else. You know, you
don't really know what you saw. Try to just get
his mind off of it, and I did for a while.
It took his mind, I guess, off of it until
this whole thing happened when it came into our view,
which my experience started.
Speaker 3: About five minutes ago. You said that certain aspects of
the encounter are blurry. It probably is going to come
as a surprise deal when I say this, but I'm
glad that's the case. I mean, if certain aspects are blurry,
then I mean, it's not like this encounter has been
haunting you as much as it could have. So thank goodness,
we'll play the glad game anyway we can. When it
comes to an experience.
Speaker 2: I'll try to forget.
Speaker 1: I mean I forgot about it for many years. I
mean I try not to think. The oird time I
ever thought about it is like my birthday, of course,
was the worst time, you know, and then his his
went the day that he died, I think about him,
and I think about not why he died, but what
what helped that come alone, you know, which which is
very sad to me.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, you understandably. So how loud were you guys
playing that music after you got back to camp?
Speaker 1: I mean, we was playing it loud. It was a
Sony boon box back in the day. It was really nice.
It had two cassette players and had a CD player,
big speakers, and it went off of.
Speaker 2: Batteries.
Speaker 1: So and I remember having CDs and Earth were playing CDs,
and for some reason, I don't know why, but we
played that metallic CASD twice in a row. I mean,
we just played that thing out. We're just rocking it,
you know, and then that's when that thing, I guess.
And there was a comment on here someone mentioned it,
and I believe this too, that it could have been
it because the noise that we were making and the
loud music, and it kind of it kind of upsetted it,
you know, it kind of made it mad that you know,
you're in my woods and you're playing this loud music
and this heavy metal music and you're loud, you're unoxious.
I think that could be it too. I think we
bothered it somehow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that could easily be the case, because they don't
seem to like that. You're probably spot on. You said
Unforgiven was playing when the dog Man made its presence
known to you present day. How do you respond whenever
you hear that song?
Speaker 1: Well, it was Unforgiven was less song. That's that's that's
when it was chasing us into the truck, because I
remember hearing because it was so loud.
Speaker 2: It was still playing.
Speaker 1: But there's Unforgiven was playing the first time, the first
encounter when it came into view, Unforgiven was planned, and
then that was playing afterwards. But those I don't listen
to Metallica anymore because of that. It brings back, It's
like a it sets it off.
Speaker 3: You know, that's understandable. When the dog Men came into camp,
did it seem to have any fear of your campfire
or was it pretty much indifferent?
Speaker 1: Well, like I said before, it was just standing there
and then it started walking back. It was pasting back
and forth in front of the fire like but it
was at a little distance. Where you can still see
it with the fire, but it's not too close, you know,
so you could still see it.
Speaker 2: But it was going.
Speaker 1: It was pacing back and forth, and it could be
the fire why it didn't attack. It could be the
music because the music was still blaring, you know, and
it kind of turned its head a little bit, you know,
it was looking at us, and that's part while I
start howling. Maybe the music made it howl. Maybe this
the loudness of it, you know, the noise. Yeah, man,
it was kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy doesn't do it any justice. Holy cow.
Speaker 1: I really wish I knew what it was thinking when
it when when it was doing all that.
Speaker 2: We would love to know what its thought was, its
thought process.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if we can know that, it would probably be
pretty interesting. I don't doubt that at all. So as
it was pacing back and forth, from how you saw it,
it didn't seem to be mindful of the fire.
Speaker 1: I don't think it mined seruly, but I doubt it
was going to go closer, you know, to the fire
than that. But you know, but it knew the fire
was there, and it was pacing because I guess it
was waiting for us to move or run, you know,
like like a wild animal. You know, when they catch
their prey, their prey are normally running from it, and
they will play a game with it before they kill it.
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking, you know, a much later.
Speaker 3: Well, you had every reason to think that was going on.
How far was your camp from where you'd expect other
people to be.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, someone made a comment last night about that too.
Speaker 2: It's it's on.
Speaker 1: It's on there on the comments saying, well, you know,
it's funny how it happened around camp other camps. But
here's the thing about that. We wasn't around other camps.
We're at a distance. We was twenty almost fifteen to
twenty minutes from the gate. The gate, there's after you
entered the gate, there's the hotel room the hotel, there's
the restaurant, and on each side there's cabins okay, and
then there's other like picnic areas and whatnot, you know,
And then there's RV park, like an RV park where
you can park RV, hook up everything you need right there.
So you have trails. Then you have this big road
that goes down okay, so many miles. Then that's nothing
but wooded area. There's no other camps around, so there
was no one around except for us at that time,
you know. And it was late at night, you know,
and I could have screamed as loud as I could
and no one would never hit hear me, you know.
So it's like you're when we got up to the gate,
there was no one around either way, because it's not summertime,
and summertime it's packed full of people.
Speaker 2: This was September.
Speaker 1: This this was just you know, normal, you know, this
was the the down time of the campground. We had
a few RVs that were there camping out or whatever.
Then we had like a few tents here and there.
We had uh uh, there was some people uh in
the cabins, but there was really no one there. It
wasn't packed at all. It was out of season. It
wasn't during the summer summer season.
Speaker 3: I'll bet you guys were really remote that night when
the dog men started howling, did you start to feel
nauseous to notice any other unexpected sensations.
Speaker 1: Yes, I felt sick to my stomach, but not to
the point of throwing up. I just felt sick because
of the vibrations of its howling and it is growling
and just being just scared to death.
Speaker 3: I bet you were, understandably, So why do you think
the dog man waited until between nine and ten that
night to really ram things up? He could have done
that a lot earlier.
Speaker 2: Well, he could have done that right then.
Speaker 1: He could have attacked us both, but for some reason
he wasn't ready or you know, he was waiting for
us to run, but he went back into the woods.
But I could still hear him howling, and I can still,
you know, hear the trees, you know, the the the
noise that he was making, and you know, over you know,
there's the creek and it was the wooded area.
Speaker 3: I guess that's an unfair question because you just can't
think for these things anymore than you can think for
a person.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't understand it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I could think about it all
I want, but I can't pinpoint why it did what
it did and the way it acted.
Speaker 2: It acted kind of funny.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like that, and I haven't seen
anything like that since. But yeah, the only time it
attacked attacked that truck, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure sounds like it did. Unfortunately, you wind up
getting a really good look at it in a way,
do you wish you wouldn't have seen it so well?
Or are you glad that you did?
Speaker 2: You know, Chris, I wished he would never even been there.
Speaker 1: I think he'd said, well, we made a mistake coming here,
which I totally agreed at the time. But at the
same time, I wish it would have just been me
by myself there because if I would have seen it,
I could debt with it better, and Chris wouldn't have
been going through all that, and he wouldn't have been.
Speaker 2: And all that, you know, had to face that.
Speaker 3: I can appreciate you saying that and feeling that way,
but yeah, if you have to have an experience like that,
I'm just glad that Chris was there with you. I
hate the fact that he's gone is a direct result
of the fallout, but yeah, I'm just so glad you
weren't there alone to have to deal with that. I
really am.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I was more intrigued than anything after it happened.
I was more intrigued, you know, instead. You know, at
the time I was scared to death, but after that
I was like more like intrigued of what it was like,
I would like to know more about it, or I'm
just wondering what that thing was for real?
Speaker 3: You know, well, speaking of that, you saw it so, well,
what do you think it was a flesh and blood creature,
a spiritual entity or something else.
Speaker 2: Oh? I knew it was flesh and blood.
Speaker 1: I mean I spelled it, you know, because the wind
was blowing towards us and I smelled like a wet dog.
Speaker 2: I knew it was real.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way that thing could have been
spiritual or a ghost or our entity.
Speaker 2: That thing was totally real.
Speaker 1: If it was real enough to jump on a truck
and physically attack the truck, it had to be real.
Speaker 3: I can appreciate you feeling that way, but we don't
know if a spiritual being could do that, if they
have weight when they're here or not. So it just
makes me wonder if it would have been a spiritual being,
if it could have done the same thing, jump onto
the back of the truck and cause it to go down.
And speaking of that, when you consider how far in
the back of the truck dropped when it jumped in,
how much do you think it weighed?
Speaker 1: That thing had to weigh four hundred pounds maybe or
five hundred pounds. I mean that thing was heavy. I
mean when it hit because when I when I jump
on a truck, I you know, it bury your moves
because those old trucks have really good shocks. But that thing,
when that thing jumped, it was like somebody dropped a
whole bed of bricks on that truck.
Speaker 2: You know, It's just it was heavy, all I bet
it was.
Speaker 1: And I could hear the nails like on top of
the truck, on the on the uh the uh very
top of the roof of the truck.
Speaker 2: I could I could hear the clowing that the nails.
Speaker 3: Well, like I told you before, these guys I know
exactly what they're doing. They know how to push your
buttons and when they forced an encounter to happen in
a lot of cases, that's exactly what they do. So
that doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was wondering, like just last night, what
would have happened if I would have like got out
of the truck try to face it, like you got
out of the truck trying to fight it or or whatever.
Would have probably would have attacked me rotten in.
Speaker 3: It's only natural to have questions like that bouncing around
in your head. But if it was in the back
of the truck, it had access to you. It wasn't
like it didn't have access to you before you got
into the truck. If it really wanted to take you out,
it had every opportunity to just run into your camp
and dispose of you too. But that didn't happen because
it didn't want to take you too out. It just
wanted to push your buttons. So yeah, maybe the act
of you getting out of the truck and standing right
there in front of it, it might have caused certain
things to happen. In its head. It might have thought
that you were challenging it or something like that, and
then maybe it would have hurt you. We don't know.
We can't think for these things. But yeah, the big
thing I want you to never forget about that experience
is this is not a case of limited access. It
had all the access to you guys it would have wanted,
So please keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we was open. I mean we was you know,
we was just standing ducks. I mean, anything could have
happened that he he could have done anything.
Speaker 2: He wanted at that time. Oh sure, I mean there was.
Speaker 3: There, definitely was. It's good you understand that. When it
could see clearly that Chris was crying and that you
were so rattled, did it seem to be enjoying that
or did it seem to be indifferent?
Speaker 1: Well, when when Chris was crying, and he was crying
pretty hard and loud, like oh no, oh god, no, no, no,
like I've never seen a man crying like that day
in my life. But he was crying. I mean, he
knew it could have been it, but I was just
I was frozen solid.
Speaker 2: I couldn't even make a sound. But he was.
Speaker 1: It was very vocal about it. But this thing was
just staring, going back and forth, pacing, and but he
was looking more at him because he was crying, and
I kind of said stop it like that, like please
like that. And when that thing grabbed real loud and
he hold, Chris stopped. Like I said in the last story,
he stopped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he stopped.
Speaker 1: Because he knew that maybe this, by me crying, maybe
this is going to set him off even more, you know,
or upset this thing more. I don't want to upset
this thing. I don't want to do anything that's going
to make this thing want to attack, so we didn't
want to trigger it. So we were trying to stay quiet,
you know. But with me, I was stationary. I was quiet.
I couldn't say anything really, but it was a scary moment. Man,
it was a really scary moment, even to I. You know,
I think about it, you know, every once in a while,
but mostly on my birthday.
Speaker 2: It's really bad. I know.
Speaker 1: If I did ever go back to Montgomery Belle, it
probably in the daytime and it would probably just probably
be up to the gate like in that area.
Speaker 2: But I would never go back down into the woods.
Speaker 3: Well that's understandable. You two really need to be commended
for how you held it together. Of course, Chris was
crying almost inconsolably, and you were so rattled, but you
two still held it together. You did what you needed
to do, and I think you should be commended. I
really do. Again, Chris passed away because of the trauma
from that experience, but when all the bullets were flying,
you two held it down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he you know, I think by it
happening to both of us, we was both there, so
we kind of had each other's back, you know, and
We kept each other accountable from that experience, like, Okay,
this is what we need to do. We need to
get this truck started. So while he was hooking that
up trying to start it, I was kind of like
a lookout, you know, like mines was stuck on that area.
But after I attacked the truck, after we got back
the next day, that truck was all scarred up, scratched up,
you know, not the size of the truck, just from
the top of the roof of the truck, all the
ready down to the bed, especially the bed was tore up,
all scratched up.
Speaker 2: So we had proof.
Speaker 1: But David, we showed him that and he's like, uh, y'all,
just y'all did that? I said, why would he Why
would he do it to his truck that? I don't understand?
What sense would that?
Speaker 2: What? What would what would that make? You know?
Speaker 1: So, David, you couldn't tell that man anything. You couldn't
you couldn't make him understanding thing. He was very cocky
and just.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: And I really wish he would have been there that night,
like he didn't leave that day.
Speaker 2: Earlier. I wish he would have stayed and saw this
thing with us.
Speaker 3: He probably wouldn't have been able to handle it. Then
it's unfortunate, you know it is though you can't put
any water in a cup that's already full, and I
say his cup already was full. It really is unfortunate.
Is it was pacing back and forth, back and forth.
It sounds to me like it might have been doing
that because it didn't know what to do next. Was
that the impression that you got or did you get
a different one?
Speaker 1: Well, the impression was that he was trying to make
up his mind which one he's going to kill first, Like,
you know, do I want to take this one that's
crying and making this noise, or do I want to
just get this one that's stationary that's not making any noise.
Plus the music wasn't helping, you know. I think it
was pissing him off even more. It was upsetting this
thing even more.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure it was. I should have been more
clear with that question. I think these guys would expect,
after doing what it did for people to just run
to pick up and run. But when you two didn't,
I wonder if that kind of put it off of
its game. And earlier about five to ten minutes ago,
you said something that gave me the impression that you
might have been thinking that way.
Speaker 1: No, I wanted to run, but I couldn't get myself
the courage to run. And plus, why would you want
to run?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Why would anybody run from an animal that's about to
tack like a big animal like that. You know, that's
the least thing I want to do is run, because
I know it's going to outrun me, and there's nothing
that I could do. I'd rather just stand there and
see what it would do. Maybe it will just go
off on its own.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might That might be the case. We're never
going to know. All we can do is yes, but
it might be. So if you have the opportunity to
go on a dog me in field investigation, Harvey, would
you or are you good on that?
Speaker 2: You know what I might be able to doubt?
Speaker 1: Like I said before, I was a treed and now
right now I'm really a treed about I really want
to know what this thing is truly is, and I
probably would do it.
Speaker 3: I know some good dog mean investigators. In my opinion,
is way too soon for you to even think about
doing something like that. But down the road. I mean,
if you want to see that through, I think I
could make that happen. So just something to keep in mind.
Speaker 1: If anybody wants to do it with me, we'll take
a trip out there and we'll do it. You know,
we'll go to that safe spot and stay overnight and
see what happens.
Speaker 3: Truth be told, I hope you never see another dog,
mean as long as you live. But who's to say
if you went back to that spot, you just might
have another encounter. You never know, you know what.
Speaker 1: I doubt this thing is still alive. It's been twenty
five years. I think was old looking. I doubt that
thing is still there. Well, you never know. It's hard
to say how long they live. Part of a fair
amount of time passed between the moment when you first
noticed it it come to your camp and when you left.
Between noticing it being there and when you left, did
you ever notice any screened urine smell? A strong smell
of urine.
Speaker 2: No, No, just like a wet dog smell, Just.
Speaker 3: That wet dog smell. Sometimes eyewitnesses report that wet dog smell.
Sometimes they report a really strong smell of urine. Sometimes
they report rotting meat. The smell of rotting meat, all
sorts of things like that. Sometimes all of those smells together.
So yeah, that's why I asked about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was just the funk and wet dog smell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty common for these cases. When it jumped
into the bed of your truck and was clawing at
the back window like you were telling us, I'm sure
you were convinced it was trying to end you too.
But if it really wanted to end you, why do
you think it waited until you two got back into
the truck to come after you. We've touched on this earlier,
but just for clarity, I wanted to ask you that
pointed question.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, you know, it depends on the person asked
the question. I means it could have happened both ways.
It could have been just playing with us and just
wanted us out of that area.
Speaker 2: You know, since we were making all this noise.
Speaker 1: Maybe we were in its area and it wanted us away.
It wanted us out, which makes a lot of sense.
But at the same time, on the other flip of
the coin, it could have easily be like, hey, it
was about to attack because we ran from it, and
it's found its chance to attack. And another thing when
it was clawing at the top of the truck, the arms,
like the weight of the arms hit the truck and
you could hear it like like hitting. You know, if
you take your hand and hit the hood of a
car or a truck, it would have that sound to it.
Speaker 3: Is those up there doing all that? Did it puncture
the roof of the truck? And that's how it was
holding on and avoided being thrown out of the bed
or if not, how did it hold on?
Speaker 1: Well, it held on until we went real fast. We
floored it. It didn't latch onto anything, I don't think,
but I know it didn't crunch your light with its claws,
but it did dand up the top or a little
bit when it was hitting it, and it was, you know,
just scratching it. But like I said in the main story,
once he floored it, it tried to catch on, tried
to hold on, but it couldn't, so we threw it off.
Speaker 3: I hope it hit a tree trunk when it fell out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: When it fell out, it kind of rolled a little bit,
and it stood up and it ran a little bit,
and then I guess it figured day this thing is
going too fast, so he ran back to the camp
because the rito was still on and this thing and
just went crazy. You know, the sound of the music,
the sound probably bothered it, and.
Speaker 2: You know it probably set it off somehow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure they have sensitive ears, so you might
be onto something in there. As hard to believe as
it might be, Harvey, you actually feel lucky in a
way they have had that encounter. Please talk us through that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, anytime you go through a dramatic experience like
a car accident or a lot of times a plane
accident that you actually survive, you really feel like you're
a lucky person to survive it. And I've known, like
I've read that some people that that been attacked by
animals like like a bear and they actually survive it,
that they have that kind of momentally we survived this,
and I'm a I'm a I'm a survivor because of it,
not because I want to be. It's because that's the
just the experience that I have. And uh, that's why
I'm so into telling my story now more than ever,
because there's listeners that will listen, there's a platform, and
there's people that are willing to listen to it and
and understand that anybody could go through this, anybody could
be a survivor. And you can't survive something like this,
you know. You have to be level headed and you
have to be very smart enough to know that running
is not the best way out of it. Sometimes you
just have to stand still and wait for this thing
to you know, because this thing is wait for you
to move.
Speaker 2: That's why it was pacing. It was waiting for someone
to move.
Speaker 1: But while we weren't moving, it kind of got bored,
I guess, and it left, but its stayed in the air.
It stayed right there in the area because we heard it.
But we decided to leave that it was either now
or never, because we knew if this thing came back
and we were still sitting there, chances are in might attack,
so we took our chances.
Speaker 3: Well, it goes without saying I'm so glad you left.
I really am. Well, it's about time for us to
get out of here at Harvey. But before we do,
do you have any closing comments you want to put
out there for us?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much, Vic for this opportunity.
Speaker 2: Again, and.
Speaker 1: It's not easy, especially for someone like me. To come
out and tell the story, even though sometimes it could
be hard. Sometimes it could be easy, but it's easier
now than if I would have done it, let's say
ten years ago or fifteen years ago. I decided recently
it was time. So thank you so much for you
to take the time to help me with this and
get this out there. The more I get this thing
out there, the story out there, the more it's going
to help other people that's going through the experience or
went through the experience years later to get through this.
And everyone that's listening, you're not alone. Everyone that's been
through this, we have to stick together as a community.
We should help each other get through it, to cancel
each other. And that's what I'm here for now, is
to help other people that's been through it as the
only person that's going to understand you as people that
has been through it themselves.
Speaker 3: That's all well said. It really is and softly impressive
that after all this you've been through, you're so focused
on trying to help other eyewitnesses. I'm really impressed. I
really am. But having said that, thanks again so much
for coming back on to do this Q and A. Harvey.
I really do appreciate it, and please never forget the
fact that you're never going to be alone in this.
If you ever need help down the road, all you
have to do is just let me know and I'll
be there for you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Vic for everything you've done, and
thank you for what you're doing. What you're doing is awesome.
Speaker 3: Oh you're welcome, you know. Like I told you before,
I thought wouldn't have it any other way. But having
said that, thanks again so much for your time and
have a great night.