WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What what's going to happen? 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:28.480 I'll think what a Welcome to the Occult Rejects. Tonight 4 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:35.280 we are talking tichi luck, superstition, cairos and how it 5 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.880 affects you and how integrated it is in your society 6 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:42.039 and you just don't even know it. Tonight we got 7 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:45.920 Nick that they called reflex and ethan indigo. Guys, why 8 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:49.159 don't you introduce yourselves and talk about what you're thinking about? 9 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:53.960 Oh, thank you Nick from the Occult Rejects. I was 10 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:57.520 very happy that you hit you with this topic because 11 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:00.560 I don't know anything about it, So again I appreciate you. 12 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:02.840 Let me jump on and learn something with you there, buddy. 13 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:04.159 Thank you. 14 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:07.319 Absolutely tell them where they can find you. 15 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:10.840 Yeah, fascinating topic. This is going to be fun. I'm 16 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:13.120 looking forward to what I have this has got to say. 17 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:18.319 And I'm a writer, and you know frequent the Cole 18 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:24.120 Rejects and had this podcasts as well. And I have 19 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:28.079 got some writing about sacred geometry and so forth. Several 20 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:32.280 articles on a col reject site. 21 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:34.840 Oh yeah, that's right. Let me let me plug that 22 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:38.439 real quick. A cult research Institute dot org. Yes, got 23 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:40.480 a bunch of stuff over there, Yeah, what's some thank you? 24 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:42.439 And several other people. 25 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:48.040 Well, I hope this is the boat that launches one 26 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:51.200 hundred more ships in this direction. Because Taiki is one 27 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:58.640 of the fundamental principles of Greek religion and Roman religion 28 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:04.000 that has really gotten the translation into English. Yet despite 29 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.239 the fact that we constantly use their symbols, we constantly 30 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:12.159 use their themes, we constantly have these things sitting in 31 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:18.199 the background without acknowledgment and understanding that is going to 32 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:20.199 make you understand this topic a lot more. 33 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:20.639 So. 34 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:28.479 There's this great Latin poem about fortune and how fickle 35 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:34.680 it is, and the Greeks understood Taiki or Tiki to 36 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:39.280 be this goddess that was fickle. She was said to 37 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:42.639 be blind, and she represents fortune and fate and she's 38 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:46.800 the reason why you have the cornucopia, right, So the 39 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:50.479 cornucopia is one of her symbols, and everybody uses it for, 40 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:54.000 you know, Thanksgiving, and they have no idea what they're posting. 41 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.280 This is a pagan goddess, that's her symbol, and it's 42 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:00.560 transferred perfectly over into Thanksgiving and everybody it's like, oh yeah, 43 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:02.719 it's a corner copy it's the horn of plenty, but 44 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:06.240 they don't realize that it comes from this source. So 45 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:10.800 to start off with, let's see if we can get 46 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:15.919 Karl Orlov's O Fortuna, and there should be an English 47 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:19.360 translation on the screen as well, because this was written 48 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:21.680 in Latin. You might not know the words, but you've 49 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:22.879 definitely heard the song before. 50 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:12.520 As to gus so chip and get some contes something 51 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:25.000 so infl uchi. So s's has been it's not to. 52 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:32.360 Follows sis fons fund of. 53 00:04:32.639 --> 00:06:01.120 Songs STI so asists not to s people So sad 54 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:21.600 pass a uppy talking or something. Seven sepo cons. 55 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:37.000 That's that xtap that back happen, go back up, bout. 56 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:58.040 Eat one food and so does fall. 57 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:13.000 Oh it's it's a foods up. So hope group. 58 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:26.879 Up as a blacks pot foot. 59 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:57.800 Bob people us I tell me, oh it's sexus en excellent. 60 00:07:58.839 --> 00:07:59.120 Deep. 61 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:38.600 What did you guys think of the lyrics? 62 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.879 It's pretty interesting. It seems very alchemical to me in 63 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:43.360 a sense. 64 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.679 It really has that feel, especially with Latin, and it 65 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:54.240 was just all about the ill turn of fortune. So 66 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:59.879 in addition to the cornucopia, another symbol of Tychi is 67 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:06.919 the wheel of fortune, She's often associated with Hecita because 68 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:11.080 Hecate's wheel is also associated with this wheel of fortune idea. 69 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:15.679 So Hecate's wheel is where we get the game show 70 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:20.279 Wheel of Fortune from, right, So, uh, Heckuita's wheel looks 71 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.360 a little bit different than what you normally think of. 72 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:26.759 It's got these I believe it's three stars on it, 73 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:32.080 and it is supposed to be put between these two strings, 74 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:34.720 and you're supposed to pull the strings, so the wheel 75 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:39.360 spins and spins and then lands on a fortune. Right, 76 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:42.000 it was kind of a fortune telling device back then. 77 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:46.360 And this Hecates wheel is, you know, often associated with 78 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:51.759 gambling and everything else. Well, Taiki the first dice in Greece, 79 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:56.600 we're actually devoted to Taiki so or tiki, you know, 80 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:58.879 it's the Greek pronunciation versus how you want to say 81 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:02.960 it in English. So all of these symbols that we 82 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:05.720 have with luck and fortune telling and all the rest 83 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:09.120 of this stuff come directly from the worship of this goddess. 84 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:16.159 And tik Taiki is all often seen with Nemesis, and 85 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:23.000 Nemesis is the goddess of you know, vengeance also justice. 86 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:28.919 So what they were hoping is that Nemesis would govern 87 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:34.559 Taichi and not give good things to bad people. So 88 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:36.600 you can understand why this would be kind of a 89 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:43.840 suppressed goddess, because if you're wishing nemesis on somebody, then 90 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:47.080 they're gonna get this bad taichi like in Oh Fortuna, 91 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.679 which is all about bad luck, and how bad luck 92 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:52.720 is this tyrant ruling from this iron throne that you 93 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:55.720 can't get out of, and you're just under this oppressive 94 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:59.639 force of never having good luck. And in a lot 95 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:04.080 of ways, this also goes into the aspect of TIChE 96 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:09.879 with her consort, which is Kaitos, and Kaitos is this 97 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:18.399 Greek concept of subjective time, right, so kitos would be 98 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:24.480 in a sort of opposition or maybe I guess balance 99 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.679 with the concept of chronos, and chronos would be the 100 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:32.039 mechanical times taking away on the clock. You know, you've 101 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:35.039 got so many hours left in the day, You've got 102 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:38.279 so many hours left in the uh, you know, at work, 103 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:42.480 all the rest of these mechanical concepts of time. Kitos 104 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:46.240 would be subjective time, right, So this would be the 105 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.679 quality version of quantitative time. So are you doing what 106 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:53.480 you want to do? Are you doing what makes you happy? 107 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.279 And Kitos is kind of an interesting character. Let me 108 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:02.879 see if I can say you link to well, let 109 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:05.720 me see. Can I send you a picture or can 110 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.960 you look up Kaidos on your Google machine? There, Nick, 111 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:15.960 I was gonna put it out there. K A I 112 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:21.600 R O S. This is a really interesting looking character 113 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:26.080 because he's got these really long locks of hair in 114 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:30.639 the front, and he's got this razor blade that he's 115 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:35.840 holding in his hand that's balancing this scales, right, and 116 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:40.120 he's got winged feet like Hermes, and also wings on 117 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:43.080 his back. And you can find this really great relief 118 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.399 of him where he's got wings and it looks like 119 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:48.919 he's in motion and he's holding on his fingertip this 120 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:54.240 razor blade that's balancing the scales. Now, the reason why 121 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:57.399 he's got these really long hairs in the front is 122 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:01.600 because this concept of subject of time can only be 123 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:05.200 grabbed from the front right. The back of his head 124 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.240 is bald, so as soon as those moments slip away 125 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:12.399 from you, there's no grabbing them. So it's very very 126 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:14.679 clear with the symbol means you have to be able 127 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:17.240 to plan for this quality time. You have to be 128 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:21.080 able to embrace the amount of time that you're spending 129 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:22.840 doing the things that you love and you have to 130 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:28.759 value it. There you go, Yeah, so that's Chiros right there. 131 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:31.159 He's only got the hair in the front. He's got 132 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:34.879 these wings and he's balancing the scales on this razor 133 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:39.639 thin edge. And this was used in a lot of coins, 134 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:44.080 and this was meant to represent the time that you 135 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:48.039 have with your family, the time that you have doing 136 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:52.320 the things you love. It's obvious why he would be 137 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:55.960 so closely associated with luck, because as you're doing the 138 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:02.679 things that you love, you then that you are lucky. Right. 139 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:08.120 You then feel that Tihi and Tiki and Kaidos are 140 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:12.399 so very closely associated in the Greek mind that they were. 141 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:15.720 She was the consort of him and he was the 142 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:19.039 consort of her, and they always came together. And so 143 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:22.360 when you understand this, you can really start to understand 144 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.399 the pagan perspective on gods and goddesses. Right, These aren't 145 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:29.600 things that have to be believed in, These aren't things 146 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:34.600 that have to be confessed to. These are things that 147 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:40.440 just are. This is the unity of both human consciousness, 148 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.320 the human soul. Psyche right, Psyche is you know it 149 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:49.600 sounds like Tiki because that Tiki would come along with 150 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:53.480 the ideas of this Kaidos as well. 151 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:54.440 So you have to be. 152 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:58.879 Looking towards this character of Kidos so that you can 153 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:01.600 catch him by the hair and know that that is 154 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:06.480 when you are having a good time. And so once 155 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:08.679 once you kind of get into this mode of thinking, 156 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:12.399 you can really start to understand why the cornucopia is 157 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:17.639 associated with Thanksgiving and these families coming together, because this 158 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:20.200 is the time, This is your quality time. This is 159 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:22.279 supposed to be where your memories are formed. This is 160 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:24.919 supposed to be your your strength and your basis for 161 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:30.600 for understanding. So it's not just about gambling. It's also 162 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:36.360 about feeling lucky because the luckier you you feel, the 163 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:38.879 less it matters whether you win or lose, and the 164 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:42.039 more like that fool card you can be. Now again, 165 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:46.159 you see a lot of that fool imagery in that Kaidos, right. 166 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:49.519 So he's he's dancing on the razor thin edge of 167 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:54.840 that cliff, right, and he's he's carrying the pack on 168 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:56.600 his back, which kind of looks a lot like that 169 00:15:57.080 --> 00:16:02.320 that that uh that scale, right, and he's you know, 170 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:06.080 he's followed by this dog character, which is kind of 171 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:12.080 associated with Hecata right, the dog of Hekata, And you 172 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.600 can see all of these symbols coming together to show 173 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:18.320 you that unless you have that fool like mentality where 174 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.399 you're just going out there and you're having a good 175 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:23.840 time and you don't care about the rest of the 176 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:28.279 world's burdens, that's when you you can really embrace that kaidos. 177 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.279 And so from the most positive aspect of this tiki 178 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:36.639 instead of that negative aspect of uh, you know, tiki 179 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:43.720 nemorensis or Tiki nemesis, you've really got the understanding of 180 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:48.080 what it means to have this quality of life right, 181 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:50.799 And I think that's that's what goes into a lot 182 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:52.519 of this luck. I don't know about you guys, but 183 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:56.679 I've known some pretty stupid people who are pretty stupid 184 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:01.200 lucky right, like they just fall into I mean, I 185 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:02.840 hate to bring this up, but I knew this guy 186 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:08.359 who kept getting scammed by people who would you call 187 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:11.160 them up and promise him things, but he always made 188 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:15.839 out the winner, even though they were scams. So he 189 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:20.000 got a call from this scammer guy who wanted him 190 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:24.559 to take these MacBook pros. Right. This was back in 191 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:27.799 the day MacBook pros were thousands of dollars and everything else, 192 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:31.279 and he was supposed to then send them off to 193 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:32.960 this guy. So I'm sure it was like a credit 194 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:35.240 card scam where they were using somebody else's credit card 195 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:39.839 and then they wanted to funnel this stuff to them 196 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:43.359 so they could resell it. And so as soon as 197 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:46.640 he got this package full of the MacBooks, the cops 198 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:49.759 came to his door and they're like, you've been involved 199 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:51.680 in a scam. Do you realize that? And he's like, no, 200 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:54.839 I had no idea, and they're like, don't worry about it, 201 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:58.799 just keep the MacBooks. So he's involved in the scam, 202 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:01.720 and the police him keep all of the ill gotten 203 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.759 wares because you know, he didn't know what he was doing. 204 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.079 And so you've got this kind of angle there, like 205 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:11.799 he foolishly got involved in a scam. Normally the people 206 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:15.440 who do that, you know, have everything taken from him. 207 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:19.119 But he was so innocent and like kinda kind of 208 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:23.640 dumb that he actually made out the better for being scammed. 209 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:29.920 And there's right, right, So if you know like that, 210 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:32.359 you should bet on their horses. If they pick a horse, 211 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:36.480 bet on that horse, because they're not overthinking it. They're 212 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:39.119 more in tune with like the vibrations of the planet 213 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:42.319 because there's nothing else going on upstairs. They're just they're just. 214 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:51.200 I was when I was looking at the cornucopia relationship, 215 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:58.759 I was thinking about a Dallist tale and uh, that 216 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:03.079 really kind of of actually has a dynamic where it 217 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:07.400 splits between two thieves. It might be called two Thieves 218 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:12.400 or something. It's one of these really rich little metaphors 219 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:18.960 to learn morality and opportunity, and really it metaphor depicts luck. 220 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:23.039 So well, there's the rich man and the poor man 221 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:27.720 in this little village, and naturally, of course, the poor 222 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:33.480 man observes the rich man, and he sees that he 223 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:38.799 has all these people exchanging things with him, and he 224 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:41.559 does work, but he doesn't really do that much work, 225 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:46.519 and has all these resources and all this wealth, and 226 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:52.440 he goes to ask him how can he become rich? 227 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:58.240 And the rich man sees him and and he says, 228 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:01.519 and he answers him he has the question and he 229 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:05.000 and the rich man laughs and he says, I'll tell 230 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:10.359 you a secret. I steal everything. Ha ha ha, and 231 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:16.559 and the poor man kind of goes, are you are 232 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:19.240 you kidding me? Are you serious and and and leaves, 233 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:27.240 and he actually does steal the property of another and 234 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:32.720 gets in trouble and goes to prison, and as as 235 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:36.839 it happens, he happened, he gets out. However long it 236 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.160 is later and he's kind of angry at the rich man, 237 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:45.920 and because he followed his advice, he thinks, and he's like, 238 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:48.599 this guy, this guy's a total thief. He should be 239 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:50.839 in jail, like I had to go to jail. And 240 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:54.039 he goes to see the rich man again and he 241 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.880 tells him what happened to him. He said, I took 242 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:00.599 your advice, and I stole a necklace from at this 243 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:05.640 woman's place, and she got me in trouble, and I 244 00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:09.279 just spent the last year in prison. And the rich 245 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:15.000 man says, what you fool, You actually stole from someone. 246 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:19.000 Here's what I do. None of this stuff you see 247 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:23.519 in here is mine. In the spring, I find turtles 248 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:27.400 and I get their shells, and I exchange the turtle 249 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:31.119 meat for soup to make soup. And in the summer 250 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:34.839 I harvest vegetables and I exchange this for that, and 251 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:38.799 I get pheasants and so forth, and then et cetera. 252 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:41.319 In the fall, I do my major harvest in the winter, 253 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:43.440 I go to get big game because I can track 254 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:46.160 them in the snow. So he goes through this seasonal 255 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:50.400 explanation of how he works with nature and harvest off 256 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:53.400 the land that is indeed none of it's his, and 257 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:57.279 he ends up exchanging the resources for things that might 258 00:21:57.359 --> 00:21:57.799 become his. 259 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:00.279 And that's what he meant by. 260 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:04.960 The bye that he stole it, not that he actually 261 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:08.640 stole property. And so we see this kind of distinction 262 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:13.240 I think, in a lot of different mindsets and cultures 263 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:21.240 and given you know, what's what's a proper medium of abundance, 264 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:27.880 rather to the kind of materialistic approach you know that 265 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:31.680 is so commonplace now, where it's an over abundance and 266 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:35.640 it doesn't matter how you got it so much as 267 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:40.319 is important in that story, because you must pay consequences 268 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:44.880 if you got it through a morale immoral paths, whereas 269 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.039 if you're working with the land and so forth, all 270 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:50.920 of a sudden you do have this cornucopia, and it's 271 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:55.079 very much like you know, you stole one turtleshell and 272 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:56.359 then started trading things. 273 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:02.880 Right. Well, the idea there, I think, is that all 274 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:06.880 this stuff belongs to the gods and we're constantly stealing 275 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:12.640 from their realms to make something. And this was a 276 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:15.720 big part of the I guess you would call it 277 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.759 the pagan religion, is that you didn't have to believe 278 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:21.960 in these gods, but you did have to pay them 279 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:25.880 in return for what you're taking from their realms. 280 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:27.400 Right, So. 281 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:32.160 What you'll find in all of these orphic hymns is 282 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:36.200 that they'll always talk about being blameless. Right, let me 283 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:39.960 live a blameless life. Because what they wanted to avoid 284 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:42.039 was getting jinxd. 285 00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:43.279 Right. 286 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:48.680 We know that term, right, jinxd, but that jinx it 287 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:51.880 was originally a Greek term. It was yanks and that 288 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:57.400 yinks was Hecate's wheel, and Hecate's wheel is sort of 289 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:01.759 that symbol of this wheel of fortune that is associated 290 00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:06.680 with tiki. And so the you know, the constant turning 291 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:10.440 of the seasons, the constant changing of these different things 292 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:16.279 requires you to bring offerings and say thanks for all 293 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:20.000 of the stuff that you've stolen throughout the year. And 294 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:24.440 so they really didn't care which gods or goddesses you 295 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:27.799 were making sacrifices too, just as long as you were 296 00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:31.359 doing it, because they didn't want to get the blame 297 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:35.000 or the responsibility or the collective punishment if you were 298 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:40.759 taking from nature and not giving back, you know. And 299 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.880 so that sort of recognition was a way of keeping 300 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:51.160 the idea of humoris in check, because it's really easy 301 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:55.559 for you to be this masterful hunter, take all the 302 00:24:55.680 --> 00:25:00.400 game and leave none for everybody else. But it takes 303 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.480 a little bit more forethought and a little bit more 304 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.160 humility to understand that you take enough for yourself and 305 00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:14.279 not too much. And basically, you don't get caught, right, 306 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:17.279 You don't want to get caught, and getting caught would mean, 307 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:24.079 you know, obviously overstepping your boundaries, knowing your place, knowing 308 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:27.599 how you fit the world. So I threw up there 309 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:33.079 in the comment section the picture of Hecate's wheel, if 310 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:35.839 you could bring that up. And what I found out 311 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:39.359 a while ago is the guy who invented wheel of 312 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.799 Fortune the game show was this guy named MERV Griffin, 313 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:49.359 and MERV Griffin was a I believe he was initiated 314 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:51.880 into the mysteries because. 315 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:52.359 All of his. 316 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:57.640 Game shows all seem to have this Greek origin. And 317 00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:02.759 so this hecatas wheel right here represented you know, this 318 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:07.200 is the constant turning of the seasons, the constant you know, 319 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:10.880 flicker of the light as it goes around our skies 320 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:14.920 and as it's turning. This wheel of fortune is associated 321 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.559 with luck and superstition and everything else. And so, you know, 322 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:23.079 Hecata is one of those interesting characters that really did 323 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:30.559 get carried over into the the later Catholic sort of religion, 324 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.519 because you could see on the Catholic flag these two 325 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:37.200 big old keys coming into the middle. And those two 326 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:42.480 keys where Hecate's keys before they were the Pope's keys, 327 00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:45.680 but they represent the same thing. So Hecita has the 328 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.319 keys to Hell, and the Pope is supposed to have 329 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:50.559 the keys to Hell, and you can open it up 330 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:52.839 and you know, see the underworld and all the rest 331 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.759 of these things. And now those keys are being transferred 332 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:59.559 over to the Catholic Church, and so the keys to 333 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.480 having her hell. She moves between the world. She's got 334 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:08.839 a lot of characteristics like Aramis or Hermes, and so 335 00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:12.519 you've got these ideas that are all wrapped up in 336 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:17.480 this sort of Hecates wheel and so wheel of fortune. Again, 337 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:21.079 the Greeks were really really into their language, and so 338 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:25.240 their language and their numbering system were also the same. 339 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:29.480 They didn't have separate numerals for their numbers. They would 340 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.160 just use their letters for those numbers as well, which 341 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.119 is where you get this concept of isopsaphy or isopsaphy 342 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.680 in Greek, which was their form of numerology. So all 343 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:43.279 of the letters and all of the numbers were all 344 00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:45.279 coming together in these things. And what do you see 345 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.079 in a wheel of fortune. You've got the numbers representing 346 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:51.319 all this money that you can win, and you've got 347 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.319 all these letters scrambled up on the board that you've 348 00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.920 got to figure out what the meaning is between all 349 00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:04.720 these puzzles, right, And so merv. Griffin was part of 350 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:10.160 a you know, Greek society coming up through college, and 351 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.680 I believe he took a lot of what he learned 352 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:16.359 in those Greek societies with him to make these game shows. 353 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:20.440 And you know, I think the Greeks would love those 354 00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:22.960 game shows. If you had the same kind of thing 355 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:25.720 for the ancient Greeks, I think they would absolutely dig 356 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:28.720 it because they were really deep into this concept of 357 00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:33.279 tiki and into the concept of kaidos. And as you're 358 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.000 up there on the stage doing your thing, you know, 359 00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:39.720 that's you know, kind of represents a lot of their 360 00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:43.680 gaming prowess because you know, the first pair of dice 361 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:48.839 came through the concept of tiki. It was dedicated to 362 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.400 tiki before everything else. And you've got these Romans who 363 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.319 were constantly playing dice. They had what they called a 364 00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.799 dice tower, and so you know in the Bible they 365 00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.920 talk about the casting of lots. They had different ways 366 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.519 of gambling, but one of the ways was to throw 367 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:06.240 these dice into a Roman dice tower so that you 368 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:09.759 couldn't cheat as the dice are falling down, and so 369 00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:12.240 it would scramble up the numbers as it's coming through. 370 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:17.359 So the casting of lots, the you know, idea of fortune, 371 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.799 it was everywhere in the ancient world. I mean, how 372 00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.000 many times did you hear it? And you know the 373 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:26.759 Bible talking about, you know, being associated with Jesus' stuff 374 00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:29.880 as he was dying, like the soldiers were casting lots 375 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:32.960 for his robes and stuff. They would cast lots all 376 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.119 the time. This was part of the ancient world and 377 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.240 how they divvy things up, because if you can't make 378 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.839 the decision right there, you've always got a guy with 379 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:42.799 a pair of dice ready to go, you know, And 380 00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:46.880 gambling and everything else was a major part of how 381 00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:50.200 they sought that now again, you know you've got gambling 382 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:56.759 sort of being made to be banal. You've got cards, right. 383 00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:01.839 The tarot is a perfect example of this kind of 384 00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:10.839 tiki associated with both gaming and fortune telling. And it's 385 00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:14.640 hard to deny the link between regular old playing cards 386 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.680 and this idea of tiki. And this is the is 387 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.119 the crossover, this is the linkage between it all, and 388 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:25.680 they don't have to say it. It's right there in 389 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.559 the cards. You know, you've got the Wheel of Fortune 390 00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:31.680 right there as a prominent feature. 391 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.319 So you know, I want to ask you, I hate 392 00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:37.079 to kind of go backwards, but I mean you mentioned 393 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:39.839 wheel of Fortune now, and that's kind of like you know, 394 00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:43.880 on the taro you mentioned the fool. You think it's 395 00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:46.039 quite possible that the scales in his hand was even 396 00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:47.319 Going back to the judgment. 397 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:51.640 Corde absolutely well. That goes to the idea of this 398 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:57.319 tiki nemesis, right. So what you have to do is 399 00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:01.200 you have to create this good balance between work and play. 400 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:05.240 You have to create this good balance between you know, 401 00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:11.720