1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Picture this. It's the year nine sixty six a d. 2 00:00:03,879 --> 00:00:06,960 We're in the Susa Valley, deep in the Italian Alps, 3 00:00:07,599 --> 00:00:09,759 and I mean this is the dark Agent, truly. 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: It's a time of stone of swords, mud. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: And candle light exactly. So you have this Catholic bishop, 6 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:20,160 a man completely steeped in the the rigid theology of 7 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:21,280 the tenth century, right. 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,559 Speaker 2: His whole world is defined by scripture. 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,879 Speaker 1: And he's making this grueling ascent up a mountain called Pucheriano. 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,359 Maybe he's looking for solitude, maybe a sign from God. 11 00:00:29,399 --> 00:00:33,000 He's climbing higher and higher, the valley floors to shrinking 12 00:00:33,079 --> 00:00:36,119 below him, and then he stops. He looks up. 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: And this is where the history books, if they mention 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,240 it at all, tend to get a little vague. They 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,200 smooth it over with religious metaphor. 16 00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:48,719 Speaker 1: But the specific records from this event they are startlingly clear. Yeah, 17 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:51,320 and they're very, very strange, they really are. He isn't 18 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:53,880 met by a choir of angels playing harps on a cloud. 19 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,240 He doesn't see a burning bush on the ground. No, 20 00:00:56,479 --> 00:00:58,880 he is met by what he describes as strange lights. 21 00:00:59,039 --> 00:01:01,600 But it's more specific that he talks about planks and 22 00:01:01,759 --> 00:01:05,079 globes made of fire. And here's the kicker. They aren't 23 00:01:05,159 --> 00:01:07,359 just sitting there, They are performing maneuvers. 24 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: That description is just it's the key that unlocks this 25 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:17,280 whole thing. Planks and globes, not angels, not chariots, right, I. 26 00:01:17,239 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: Mean he sees them first appearing on the mountain, almost 27 00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:21,519 like they're docked, you know, sitting right there on the ridge, 28 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:23,640 and then right in front of his eyes they rise up. 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,879 They start flying around the sky in these complex geometric patterns. 30 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,519 Speaker 2: Could you just imagine this poor bishop standing there in 31 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,519 his ruspund robes. Yeah, in the tenth century is watching 32 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,959 what sounds for all the world like a fleet of 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,560 spacecraft conducting a tactical drill. 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: It forces you to just completely shift your perspective. If 35 00:01:45,159 --> 00:01:46,959 you look at it through the religious lens of the time, 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,560 sure it's a miracle, it's angels. 37 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,239 Speaker 2: But if you look at it through a modern technological lens, 38 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,840 you strip away the bias of the era. It's a sighting. 39 00:01:55,079 --> 00:01:56,680 It is a classic UFO encounter. 40 00:01:57,319 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling Threads. I'm your host, and I have 41 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:01,799 to say I am ready to have my perception of 42 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:04,280 history completely dismantled today. 43 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: And I'm here to try and help make sense of 44 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,640 the pieces, or at least help pick them up off 45 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,919 the floor. It's good to be here. 46 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: So today we are pulling on a massive thread, a 47 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,439 thread that suggests the world's most sacred mountains. We're talking 48 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:19,719 from the jagged peaks of Italy to the Himalayas and Tibet, 49 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,080 all the way to the legendary Mount Olympus in Greece. 50 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,639 Aren't just geological formations. 51 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,479 Speaker 2: No, we're not talking about nice views and hiking trails 52 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:30,719 or even spiritual metaphors. 53 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: Not at all. We are looking at sources today that 54 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:37,520 suggest these locations are actually ancient high tech infrastructure. 55 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: Command posts, storage facilities, power plants. 56 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,319 Speaker 1: Left behind by extraterrestrial. 57 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:45,479 Speaker 2: Visitors, or as the ancients call them, the gods. 58 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: I just love this concept, the idea that all this 59 00:02:48,159 --> 00:02:50,639 magic we read about is just technology we haven't figured 60 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,919 out yet, or maybe technology we've forgotten. 61 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,599 Speaker 2: That's the term for it, the technological signature, and that's 62 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:57,680 what we're hunting for today. We've got a whole stack 63 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:01,639 of sources. We're pulling from historians, archaeological accounts, from the 64 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:06,840 History Channel archives and the very specific research of ancient 65 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:08,479 astronaut theorists. 66 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: People like William Henry, David Childress, Philip Coppins exactly. 67 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,759 Speaker 2: And for anyone who doesn't know these guys like Childress 68 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:18,000 and Henry, they're not your typical armchair historians. 69 00:03:18,159 --> 00:03:19,759 Speaker 1: No, they're out there, they're in the field. 70 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: They're the ones climbing into the caves looking at the 71 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,840 weird anomalies that you know, mainstream archaeology sometimes just swoops 72 00:03:26,879 --> 00:03:27,400 under the rug. 73 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: And their whole premise is that if you really look 74 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:32,840 at the architecture, at the linguistics of the myths, the 75 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,800 weird physical evidence at these sites, you stop seeing temples. 76 00:03:37,719 --> 00:03:39,479 Speaker 2: And you start seeing functional machinery. 77 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go back to our bishop. He's on 78 00:03:41,759 --> 00:03:44,400 Mount Prichuriano. It's nine hundred and sixty six a d. 79 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:48,159 He sees the globes of fire, he sees the planks. 80 00:03:48,639 --> 00:03:51,599 What happens next, because usually in these stories people either 81 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,159 run away screaming or they fall in their face and 82 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:55,319 start speaking in tongues. 83 00:03:55,759 --> 00:03:59,159 Speaker 2: But he didn't run. That's what's so fascinating. The sighting 84 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:02,520 seems to have had a consequence. It came with a directive. 85 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,199 Speaker 1: Almost you're a directive. What do you mean? 86 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:09,479 Speaker 2: The bishop claimed that this, this aerial display, it prompted him, 87 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:11,840 or maybe compelled him, to say, this will be the 88 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:13,840 site on which we will build the new. 89 00:04:13,719 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: Abbey, and that became the socriti San mckelly, Saint Michael's Abbey, 90 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,959 the very sense. But it's still there today. It's that massive, imposing, 91 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,639 fortress like building sitting right on the peak of the mountain. 92 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:27,759 You can't miss it. 93 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: You really can't. And David Childress in his work makes 94 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:34,839 a really interesting point here. He suggests this wasn't just 95 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:38,240 a random light show. It wasn't aliens just you know, 96 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:39,800 buzzing the tower for fun. 97 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:40,759 Speaker 1: It had a purpose. 98 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,959 Speaker 2: It was a beacon. It was whoever was piloting those 99 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,560 globes giving a display specifically to attract attention, to make a. 100 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: Point, like firing off a flare in the dark, or 101 00:04:51,519 --> 00:04:52,519 planting a flag on. 102 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: A hill, exactly that, inspiring human beings to build a 103 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,639 very specific structure at a very specific set of coordinates. 104 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: Aliens give you a light show, you build them a house. 105 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,040 That's the rule, I guess curently so. But hold on 106 00:05:05,079 --> 00:05:07,439 a second, let's play Devil's advocate. It's nine hundred and 107 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,920 sixty six AD. This is a guy who probably spent 108 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:12,920 his entire life reading scripture by candlelight. Couldn't globes of 109 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,879 fire just be I don't know, ball, lightning, a meteor shower. 110 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,759 Speaker 2: It's a fair question, and it's the first one you 111 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:19,560 should ask. 112 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: Right, So why do our sources jump straight to technological craft. 113 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:26,199 Speaker 2: Well, if it were just lights zipping by in the distance, 114 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:28,639 you absolutely could write it off as a meteor or 115 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,639 some kind of atmospheric phenomenon. But it's the behavior of 116 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,160 the lights that rules out nature. 117 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: Okay. 118 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: Meteors fall down, they streak across the sky and they're gone. 119 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,480 Lightning strikes and vanishes in an instant. And these things 120 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,839 they were stationary at first. The bishop describes them as 121 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,160 appearing on the mountain docked, essentially parked, parked. Yeah, and 122 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:52,920 then they rise up in a controlled descent. Nature doesn't 123 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,240 do control descents. Nature doesn't fly in formation. 124 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:57,319 Speaker 1: Okay, So something was sitting on the peak and then 125 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,120 it took off. That's a different story. 126 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: And the word plan is so interesting. 127 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:02,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking that. 128 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:06,079 Speaker 2: He didn't say chariot or bird, which are the usual 129 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,759 metaphors that pre industrial people use to describe things they 130 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:09,399 don't understand. 131 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: The sky no plank sounds structural, flat, metallic, like a 132 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,639 fuselage or a classic flying saucer seen from the side. Huh. 133 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,959 Speaker 2: And then there's the reaction. In most medieval miracle stories, 134 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,639 the witness falls to their knees and praise glory to God. 135 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:28,839 You know that sort of. 136 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,519 Speaker 1: Thing, right, It's all about piety. 137 00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: But here the reaction was so pragmatic. The sighting conveyed 138 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,319 a specific construction build Here it wasn't but a spiritual revelation. 139 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:41,879 It was. It was a zoning permit from the sky. 140 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: That puts a very very different spin on it. But 141 00:06:44,519 --> 00:06:48,519 it brings up the next question, why there Why that 142 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:52,120 specific piece of rock in the Susa Valley? What's so 143 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,279 special about that particular real estate. 144 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: This is where we have to zoom out and look 145 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,480 at the geography. The abbey is on Mount Pucheriano, but 146 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,480 directly across the valley, about twenty five miles west of Turin, 147 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,360 there's another important mountain, Mount Muzine. 148 00:07:07,079 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: The twin peaks in a way. 149 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the sources, especially the historian Nomo Orzo, point this out. 150 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,319 You've got the Sacra on one peak and Musina on 151 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,399 the other, and they sit on what is known as 152 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:18,639 the Saint Michael Line. 153 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: I've heard of this. That's a lay line, isn't it correct. 154 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: It's a supposed energy line, a straight line that runs 155 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:26,800 right through Italy, connecting various sacred sites, all dedicated to 156 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:27,920 Saint Michael, the archangel. 157 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: And the theory is what that ancient people knew about 158 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,319 these lines and built on them. 159 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: That's the idea, and specifically that this entire valley between 160 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,839 these two peaks was home to a highly advanced civilization 161 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,120 thousands of years before the Romans, a civilization that knew 162 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,519 how to tap into this this telluric energy. 163 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:52,319 Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this advanced civilization idea, because we're not 164 00:07:52,319 --> 00:07:55,839 talking about Romans yet. We're going way, way further back there. 165 00:07:55,879 --> 00:07:57,920 And our sources bring up a name that sounded really 166 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,120 familiar to me, but in a totally different context. Faith 167 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,720 on the Greek myth, right, faithOn the kid who borrowed 168 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,319 the sun cheryate from his dad, Helios couldn't handle the 169 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:10,199 horsepower and just crashed it. Total catastrophe. 170 00:08:10,279 --> 00:08:13,199 Speaker 2: But here's the twist. The sources we're looking at connect 171 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:14,480 him directly to Egypt. 172 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,879 Speaker 1: This is where it gets into like mythological detective work. 173 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: It really is. The theory suggests that faith On, this 174 00:08:21,279 --> 00:08:24,040 figure who came down from the sky in a fiery chariot, 175 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,959 is actually the same entity known in Egypt. 176 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: As ta Ha Pa. 177 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: Yes, and William Henry's research is what really highlights this connection. 178 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:34,759 Speaker 1: All right, walk me through the logic here, because that 179 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:37,799 feels like a massive leap We're connecting a Greek myth 180 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,720 about a cosmic joy ride gone wrong to a major 181 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:46,039 Egyptian creator God. How do the sources justify bridging that gap. 182 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: It starts with linguistics. It's what philologists might call a 183 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:53,159 cognate situation. You have the Greek name faithOn faith and 184 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,679 the Egyptian name ta Now say them fast faithOn Fathon. 185 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,159 The root sounds are in incredibly. 186 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: Similar faith on Ta I can sort of hear it. 187 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,759 Speaker 2: William Henry argues that the Greek story of faith On 188 00:09:07,159 --> 00:09:10,840 is essentially a retelling a different cultural memory of the 189 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,000 arrival of taw. 190 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: Okay names can be coincidental. I'm going to need a 191 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,480 little more than sound alikes to be convinced. 192 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: Then let's look at the geography. The myth of faith 193 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:22,559 On specifically ends with him crashing in the river Po. 194 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,879 Speaker 1: Which is right there in that valley near Turin exactly. 195 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: Now, what's the symbol of the city. 196 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: Of Turin bull? The bull? 197 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: Correct? Turin or Turino literally means the city of the bull. Okay, Now, 198 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:36,720 let's go back to Egypt. Taw was the central deity 199 00:09:36,879 --> 00:09:39,919 of the city of Memphis, and the living avatar of Taw. 200 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,080 The physical manifestation of the god on earth that people 201 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,720 could see and worship was the APIs. 202 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:48,279 Speaker 1: Bull whoa Okay, hang on, So you have a bull 203 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,720 city in Italy supposedly founded by this sun Chariot guy, 204 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,919 and in Egypt, the most sacred animal the imparnation of 205 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,840 their god is a bull, and the god's name sounds 206 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,240 like sun Chariot Guy. 207 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,399 Speaker 2: The symbolism lines up perfectly. It's too neat to be 208 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,720 a coincidence, and it begs the next question. If Taw 209 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,759 and faith On are the same entity, what was his job? 210 00:10:10,039 --> 00:10:10,279 Speaker 1: Right? 211 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: Taw wasn't just a generic sky father like Zeus throwing 212 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,279 lightning around. He had a specialty. 213 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: He was the blue collar god right in a way. 214 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:20,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was the master craftsman, the lord of architects, 215 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:23,960 the god of technology used the chief engineer of the gods. 216 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,799 Speaker 1: So if we follow this threat all the way, we 217 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:29,480 have a god of technology landing in a fiery chariot, 218 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,799 which sounds an awful lot like a space ship. In 219 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:34,679 the Susa Valley. He founds a city, the City of 220 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,000 the Bowl, and now thousands of years later, in that 221 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,519 exact same spot, people are seeing planks of fire and 222 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,360 globes flying around the mountains. 223 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: It suggests continuity. It suggests there's something about that location. 224 00:10:47,759 --> 00:10:50,960 If Ta was a flesh and blooed extraterrestrial, as the 225 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,159 theory proposes, and he established a base of operations here, 226 00:10:54,639 --> 00:10:55,799 what was that base for? 227 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,799 Speaker 1: Well, if you're the god of smithcraft, what are you 228 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:00,720 building to alchemy? 229 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: So William Henry poses the question. Was Mountain Musine the 230 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,919 other peak a storage facility? Was it a vault for 231 00:11:08,039 --> 00:11:11,519 cosmic knowledge? Was this where they kept the secrets of metallurgy? 232 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,399 Speaker 1: It makes you wonder. We always think of alchemy as 233 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:16,639 this mystical wizards and a tower trying to turn. 234 00:11:16,519 --> 00:11:18,399 Speaker 2: Lead into gold, right, hocus pocus. 235 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,159 Speaker 1: But if you look at it through the lens of taw, 236 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,639 the engineer. Is alchemy just advanced chemistry we don't understand? 237 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,039 Is it material science? 238 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,639 Speaker 2: That is precisely the implication the phrase used is cosmic 239 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,879 knowledge of metallurgy. That doesn't just mean making better swords. 240 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,320 That implies creating alloys or materials that humans at the 241 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,000 time couldn't possibly manufacture. 242 00:11:38,399 --> 00:11:42,879 Speaker 1: Stuff that might be superconductive or incredibly durable or something else. 243 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,039 Speaker 2: Entirely and interestingly, the sources claimed the energy, that special 244 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,600 quality of a valley is said to still be there. 245 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:54,639 Speaker 1: But the civilization is gone. The city faithOn slash Taw built, 246 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:56,360 it's gone. Who took it? 247 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: The Romans? 248 00:11:57,399 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: Of course, it's always the Romans. 249 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: In the first century, Rome conquered the area. They established 250 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:07,960 their own city, Augusta tour Noorum, which eventually became modern Turin. 251 00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:11,639 But the mystery is that the original inhabitants and their 252 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,399 city they just vanished. 253 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: Vanish like packed up and moved or vanish like wiped 254 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:18,120 off the map. 255 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: It's unclear, but the sources leaned toward a total displacement, 256 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:25,399 a complete takeover. And this is where the speculation from 257 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,480 William Henry gets really interesting. He asks, did Rome conquer 258 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,679 this specific valley just to expand the empire, or were 259 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:32,600 they hunting for something? 260 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:34,519 Speaker 1: They were hunting for the tech exactly. 261 00:12:34,799 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: We know what you have buried in that mountain. We're 262 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,279 going to take your knowledge, We're going to take your secrets. 263 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,279 Speaker 1: We're going to weaponize the tools of the gods. 264 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: It's a compelling motive, isn't it. If you were a 265 00:12:44,039 --> 00:12:47,639 Roman general and you had credible intelligence that there was 266 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,799 a repository of alien metallurgy or advanced weaponry, you know, 267 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,799 a valley in the Alps, wouldn't you march your legions 268 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:55,399 there first? 269 00:12:55,519 --> 00:12:58,799 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's the ancient world's version of the Space Race 270 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:01,879 or the Manhattan Project. Seize the ultimate. 271 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: Weapon, for sure. 272 00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: But here's the thing that always gets me with these stories. 273 00:13:04,799 --> 00:13:07,000 If the Romans took the tech, or if the tech 274 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:10,159 is still buried there, Yeah, that's a lot of potential 275 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,200 energy just sitting around, right, and that kind of energy, 276 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:14,679 if you don't know how to handle it, it isn't 277 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,840 always safe. No, it can bite back hard. 278 00:13:17,759 --> 00:13:20,399 Speaker 2: It absolutely can. And that brings us to the darker 279 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,159 side of this whole discussion, because while the SUSA Valley 280 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,159 might have been a storage facility or a laboratory, other 281 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,960 sites on this ancient grid look less like warehouses and 282 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:33,919 more like well, more like crash sites or crime scenes. 283 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: Which takes us from the mountains of Italy halfway across 284 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,279 the world, to the Indus Valley in modern day. 285 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,159 Speaker 2: Pakistan to the ruins of Mahinjo Darl. 286 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: This place, I have to say, this place will always 287 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,840 creep me out a little bit. It was discovered in 288 00:13:44,919 --> 00:13:45,799 nineteen twenty two. 289 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 2: Right correct, by the Indian Archaeological Survey, and what they 290 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:54,639 found was staggering a mass of metropolis dating back about 291 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:56,080 four th six hundred. 292 00:13:55,879 --> 00:13:59,279 Speaker 1: Years, and it was incredibly advanced for its time. We're 293 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:05,879 talking sophisticated plumbing, grid based streets, multi story brick buildings. 294 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,519 This was a thriving urban center. 295 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:10,399 Speaker 2: It was one of the jewels of the ancient world. 296 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: But it's not the plumbing that gets people whispering. 297 00:14:12,799 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: It's the bodies, the skeletons, that's the anomaly. They were 298 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,919 found scattered in the streets in their homes. They weren't 299 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,360 buried in graves or tombs. They were just lying there 300 00:14:21,879 --> 00:14:23,799 as if they'd been struck down where they stood. 301 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: That's the image that's so haunting. The sources talk about 302 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,159 a group found holding hands, a family, maybe just walking 303 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:33,919 down the street holding hands, and then instant death. Whatever happened, 304 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:34,840 it happened in a blink. 305 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: It wasn't a slow decline from famine or plague. It 306 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:41,039 was instantaneous. And the condition of the remains, the condition 307 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,120 of the site itself tells a really puzzling story. The 308 00:14:44,159 --> 00:14:47,679 sources repeatedly mentioned reports of radioactive ash being found in 309 00:14:47,679 --> 00:14:48,159 the area. 310 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: Radioactive ash in a city that's over four thousand years old. 311 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,159 That shouldn't be possible. 312 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: It shouldn't, And they talk about radioactive people. The skeletons 313 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,000 themselves purportedly showed levels of radiation that you would only 314 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:04,600 expect to find in a person from say Hiroshima or Nagasaki. 315 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,679 Speaker 1: So the conventional historical explanation is maybe a plague or 316 00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:12,679 a sudden invasion, right, But plagues don't leave radiation, and 317 00:15:12,919 --> 00:15:16,240 an army with swords and spears doesn't leave radioactive ash 318 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:17,440 covering the city. 319 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: Precisely, and it's not just the bodies the stones of 320 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:25,360 the city itself. There are reports of widespread vitrification. 321 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:26,759 Speaker 1: The terrification reminding what that is. 322 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: It's when sand or rock is heated to such an 323 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:33,600 extreme temperature that literally melts and turns into glass. We 324 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:35,559 saw this at the Trinity Test site in New Mexico 325 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,159 after the first atomic bomb test. 326 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,279 Speaker 1: They called it trinotite. 327 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,519 Speaker 2: That green glass, that's the stuff. And to get that 328 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,120 you need temperatures in the thousands of degrees. A normal 329 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:48,600 city fire can't do it. A volcano could, but there's 330 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,480 no volcano anywhere near Mahinjo Daro. 331 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,559 Speaker 1: So to achieve that kind of heat and that level 332 00:15:53,559 --> 00:15:56,360 of radiation, you need high energy physics, you need a 333 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:57,240 nuclear reaction. 334 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: That's the theory that the ancient astronaut off is put 335 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,559 forward that Malhendro Daro wasn't just a city, it was 336 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,720 what ground zero for something careful. 337 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: The sources suggest it might have been the residue of 338 00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:15,399 an ancient power plant, an extraterrestrial power facility that suffered 339 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:17,039 a catastrophic. 340 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: Meltdown Utu'renobyle in twenty five hundred BC or and. 341 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: This is another possibility they raised. Maybe it was a 342 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,320 target if there was a war, and we'll definitely get 343 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,240 to that later with the Greek myths, perhaps the city 344 00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:31,440 and its power source were deliberately bombed the strategic strike, 345 00:16:31,559 --> 00:16:34,240 but that Meltdow theory is so interesting because it links 346 00:16:34,279 --> 00:16:38,240 directly back to this idea of infrastructure. If these extraterrestrial 347 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,559 gods were here, they needed power, right. 348 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,639 Speaker 2: You don't fly globes of fire on triple A batteries. 349 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,240 You need a massive, stable energy output. If you're running 350 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,679 a global operation with mining, building, interstellar travel, you need 351 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:52,440 a power grid. 352 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:54,799 Speaker 1: And if you have a nuclear style power plant, well 353 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,440 things can go wrong, spectacularly wrong. 354 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: It's terrifying to think about. We have the image of 355 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:04,440 ancient people living in fear of you know, saber tooth 356 00:17:04,519 --> 00:17:08,039 tigers or starvation. We don't imagine them living in fear 357 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:10,519 of radiation poisoning from the local power station. 358 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: It completely changes the story of humanity. It makes you 359 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,880 realize that maybe maybe we weren't the first ones on 360 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,279 this planet to split the atom. 361 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: We're just the first ones to do it again. 362 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, this brings up the logical issue for me. 363 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:27,079 If the reactor, the substation, whatever it was, blew up 364 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,160 in Pakistan, where was the main generator? Good question, Where 365 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,519 was the heart of the grid. If you're running a 366 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:36,680 global operation, you don't just have one power plant, you 367 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,559 have a central hub. You need the main source. 368 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,799 Speaker 2: And for that our sources tell us we have to 369 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:44,200 look to the place they called the center of the universe, 370 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,200 Kaylash in western Tibet. 371 00:17:46,279 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: This mountain I've seen pictures and it just doesn't look real. 372 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:52,160 It's incredibly high, twenty two thousand peeces, but it's the 373 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,920 shape that gets you. It stands out completely from the 374 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,480 surrounding Himalayan Range. It's so perfect. 375 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,799 Speaker 2: Philip coppins Is research really highlights this. He points out 376 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:05,720 that from one angle it's a perfect cone shape, and 377 00:18:05,839 --> 00:18:08,759 from another it's a perfect four sided pyramid. 378 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:11,599 Speaker 1: A pyramid in the middle of the Himalayas, a shape. 379 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 2: That we see associated with power and the gods everywhere 380 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:20,279 else in the ancient world Egypt, Sumeria, Mesoamerica. The pyramid 381 00:18:20,319 --> 00:18:23,039 isn't just a tomb. The theory is that it's a machine, 382 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,039 a structure designed a channel and focus energy. 383 00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: And Kylosh isn't just a mountain to climbers. I mean 384 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,359 it's sacred to four different religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism. 385 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:36,559 They all agree on this one thing. This spot is 386 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:39,839 the center. This is the axis Mundi, the pillar of 387 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:40,319 the world. 388 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,599 Speaker 2: The spiritual center of the entire universe. Cogrims travel from 389 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,680 all over the world just to walk the thirty two 390 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,359 mile circuit around its base. It's this incredible ritual of 391 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,599 connecting with the divine and it's strictly forbidden to even 392 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:52,559 try to climb. 393 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:55,759 Speaker 1: It, which our sources are asking, Why why this mountain, 394 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,200 out of all the thousands of peaks in the Himalayas, 395 00:18:58,519 --> 00:19:01,839 Why is everyone from all these different traditions completely obsessed 396 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,400 with this one. 397 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: Is it possible that gods physically took up residence there, 398 00:19:06,839 --> 00:19:09,240 not in his spiritual sense, but physically. 399 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: Well. There's a clue, and it comes from a cave, 400 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,359 believe it or not, about six hundred miles away from Kylash. 401 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: The Magau Caves, also known as the Cave of the 402 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:19,200 One Thousand. 403 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: Buddhists, yeah discovered in nineteen oh seven by an explorer 404 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,440 named oral Stein. It had been sealed shut for centuries. 405 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,200 He opens it up and it's a library, a lost library, 406 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:33,599 fifty thousand ancient manuscripts. 407 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,319 Speaker 2: Including the Diamond Sutra, which is the oldest printed manuscript 408 00:19:36,319 --> 00:19:38,480 in the history of the world. This is a time 409 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:41,039 capsule of knowledge sealed the way to protect it from 410 00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:41,920 war and destruction. 411 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: But tucked away in this incredible library was a diagram, 412 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,039 a Buddhist diagram from the second century AD, depicting something 413 00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:50,039 called Mount. 414 00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 2: Meru, which is the mythological name for this cosmic mountain, 415 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,400 the one that connects heaven and Earth. It's the archetype 416 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,200 of Mount Kailash. 417 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: So before we get to the Northrop, Grumm and scientist, 418 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,119 which is the wild part part of this story, paint 419 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,799 a picture for me. If I'm unrolling this ancient Buddhist scroll, 420 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,119 what am I actually looking at? 421 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: Okay, So you're seeing a top down view schimanic. In 422 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,839 the center, there's a central axis which is the mountain itself, 423 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:15,960 and surrounding it you have these perfect concentric rings and squares. 424 00:20:16,759 --> 00:20:20,759 In Buddhist philosophy, these rings represent different oceans and continents, 425 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,559 different planes of existence. It's all very geometric, very symmetrical, 426 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:25,720 almost like a mandala. 427 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: So it looks like a sacred geometry chart, you know, 428 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:31,880 standard spiritual artwork from that period exactly. 429 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 2: To an art historian or a theologian, it's a map 430 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,279 of the cosmos. It's a spiritual blueprint. But then you 431 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,799 hand that same ancient drawing to a guy whose job 432 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:44,039 it is to design particle being weapons for a living. 433 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: Is the scientist from Northrop Grumman that the History Channel 434 00:20:47,519 --> 00:20:48,400 archives mentioned. 435 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:50,559 Speaker 2: That's the one. He's a specialist in high energy physics. 436 00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:54,160 And he looks at this second century diagram and he 437 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,960 doesn't see oceans and continents. 438 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,079 Speaker 1: What does he see? 439 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,279 Speaker 2: He looks at those concentric rings, the central funnel ccific 440 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,039 geometric layout, and he recognizes a very specific piece of 441 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,799 mechanical architecture. He overlays it with the blueprints of a cyclotron. 442 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: A cyclotron. Okay, for those of us who didn't major 443 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,920 in high energy physics, break that down. What does a 444 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,519 cyclotron actually do? 445 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:19,279 Speaker 2: Think of it as a particle racetrack. You use a 446 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:23,599 powerful magnetic field to spin charged particles protons, usually in 447 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,920 a spiral. They go round and round inside a vacuum chamber, 448 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,039 getting faster and faster with each rotation, getting massive amounts 449 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:32,839 of energy, until bam, you smash them into a target 450 00:21:32,839 --> 00:21:33,640 to split atoms. 451 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,839 Speaker 1: The machine that was crucial to the Manhattan Project, an 452 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,240 atom smasher. 453 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: The very same and the physical shape required to make 454 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,519 one work. It needs a very specific structure. You need 455 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:47,880 these two D shaped allo electrodes called d's and a 456 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,240 central gap for the particles to accelerate across. 457 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,599 Speaker 1: And when you look at the Mount Meru diagram. 458 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: The placement of the continents in the oceans in the 459 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:58,440 Buddhist drawing aligns perfectly with the vacuum chambers, the magnets, 460 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,440 and the D shaped electrodes of a nineteen forty style 461 00:22:01,519 --> 00:22:02,240 atom smasher. 462 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:05,559 Speaker 1: Is that is uncomfortably specific. That can't be a coincidence. 463 00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: It's hard to see how it could be. And the 464 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:11,160 scientist argument is simple. How does a Buddhist monk in 465 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,559 the second century AD accurately draw the internal schematics of 466 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:18,279 a machine that human science wouldn't invent for another seventeen 467 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:19,160 hundred years. 468 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: Unless he wasn't drawing a metaphor for the cosmos. 469 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,559 Speaker 2: He was drawing what he saw, or more likely, he 470 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,480 was copying a much older schematic that he himself didn't 471 00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:29,839 understand but knew was. 472 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:33,039 Speaker 1: Sacred, which implies that the myth of Mount Meru and 473 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:36,920 by extension, the real Mount Kailash, wasn't about spiritual energy 474 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:37,279 at all. 475 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: It was about raw technological energy. 476 00:22:39,759 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm remembering a line from the sources the Mongolian myths. 477 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:48,200 They say that celestial beings dwelled around Maru to feed 478 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:49,640 on its emitted energy. 479 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,519 Speaker 2: Right, and we've always interpreted that phrase feed on energy 480 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:55,920 as you know, basking in the divine glory of the mountain. 481 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, feeling the good vibes, meditating, absorbing the holy new. 482 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,559 Speaker 2: But if Kaylash is a cyclotron, if it's to a 483 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:05,519 particle accelerator, they weren't getting good bye. They were literally 484 00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:08,960 recharging their batteries. It's a gas station, it's a power plant, 485 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:14,359 the main generator, a transmitter of cosmic power, built to 486 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,799 sustain these extraterrestrial beings, maybe even keep them alive. 487 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:24,079 Speaker 1: Wow, So Mount Kylash is the generator. Mohenja Dardo was 488 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,440 maybe a substation down the line that blew up, and 489 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,079 the Susa Valley in Italy was the parts department, the 490 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,200 tech lab. You're starting to see the grid a global infrastructure. 491 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,920 But that raises another question. If you have a grid 492 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,960 and you have that much power, and you have all 493 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,599 this valuable technology, you need defense. You absolutely do you 494 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:45,519 need a command center, You need a headquarters, because if 495 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:47,359 you have that kind of power, you can be sure 496 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,960 someone else is going to want to take it from you. 497 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: And for the headquarters of the gods, we go to 498 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,720 the most famous mountain in all of mythology, Mount Olympus 499 00:23:54,759 --> 00:23:57,240 in Greece, home of the Olympians. 500 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: Zeus, Apollo, Hermes, Athena, the whole crew, rising almost ten 501 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,799 thousand feet above the agency. You know, we grew up 502 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:07,759 think of Olympus as this like mythical cloud City. It's 503 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,079 a fantasy realm from Disney movies and cartoons, a metaphor, 504 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,599 a metaphor exactly. But the city at the base of 505 00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:17,240 the mountain, Dion, that was a real place. It's an 506 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:18,559 archaeological site now. 507 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,799 Speaker 2: Very real and a very important one. Alexander the Great 508 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,480 himself visited Dion to make sacrifices before he launched his 509 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,160 conquest of. 510 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: Asia, so he saw it as a power spot. He 511 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,480 wanted to get close to the source to get the 512 00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:32,279 god's blessing. 513 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: He wanted that juice, as you said, and historically, we 514 00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:38,839 have to remember something important here. For a very long time, 515 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:41,480 modern scholars thought the city of Troy was. 516 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,799 Speaker 1: A myth, right, just a setting for the story in 517 00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:45,279 the Iliad, a fable. 518 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: Then this guy, Heinrich Schlimann, goes out in eighteen seventy 519 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,480 with a copy of Homer in one hand and a 520 00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:54,559 shovel in the other, and he digs, he finds it. 521 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,759 Speaker 1: He proved it was a real physical place. 522 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: An archaeologist later found the actual seat of the oracle 523 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:04,000 at Delphi. These weren't fairy tales. They were real locations 524 00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:06,079 that played a huge role in the ancient world. 525 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,079 Speaker 1: So the expert argument from our sources is, if the 526 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,079 locations are real, if the cities at the base of 527 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,279 the mountains are real, why do we automatically assume the 528 00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:15,640 inhabitants at the top were fake. 529 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 2: If the house is real, maybe the homeowner was real too. 530 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:23,559 The ancient Greeks absolutely believe the Olympians were real. They 531 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,160 described them as huge sky beings who descended to Earth. 532 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,200 They didn't think they were metaphors for thunderstorms or agriculture. 533 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,079 They thought they were powerful physical entities living up. 534 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: On that mountain, and they had a headquarters. Olympus wasn't 535 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,799 just their home. It was a base of operations. 536 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,759 Speaker 2: And a fortress, a heavily defended one because they weren't alone, 537 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,200 and they weren't always. 538 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,279 Speaker 1: At peace the Titans. 539 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: The War of the Titans, the Titanomiki. You had the 540 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,599 Titans based on one mountain, Mount Authrus, fighting the Olympians 541 00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:55,440 on their mountain. 542 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,559 Speaker 1: Mount Authorus versus. 543 00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: Mount Olympus, a ten year war. 544 00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: This is my favorite part of Greek mytho. But when 545 00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,920 you actually read the descriptions of the battles and the 546 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,480 old texts, it doesn't sound like God's throwing magic spells 547 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:07,960 at each other. 548 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. 549 00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: It sounds like artillery. 550 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: Well, think about it. What is a lightning bolt to 551 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,640 a primitive observer. If I'm standing on a mountain peak, 552 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,559 and I fire a directed energy weapon, a laser, a 553 00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:24,119 particle beam, and it streaks across the sky and vaporizes 554 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,200 a rock on the mountain across the valley, and what 555 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:26,799 do you call that? 556 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: You call it a bolt of lightning from the hand 557 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:30,599 of the god Zeus exactly. 558 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 2: The texts say that gods hurled mountains at each other. 559 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:37,039 They describe the earth shaking, the sky is screaming. It 560 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:41,480 sounds like high tech warfare. The sources specifically say the 561 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:44,279 main battles took place on the plains between the two mountains, 562 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,440 while the command was issued from the peaks. 563 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,279 Speaker 1: So you've got General Zeus on Mount Olympus and General 564 00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:53,079 Cronus on Mount Authree's, and they're launching these devastating attacks 565 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,000 across the valley at each other's armies. 566 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,839 Speaker 2: And look at the description of Olympus itself. This is 567 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,640 a point that Giorgio Suclos really highlights in the source material. 568 00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:05,480 The ancient texts describe it as a magnificent palace. 569 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: With walls gleaming of gold and silver. 570 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 2: And this is the detail. It had blinking lights, jewels 571 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:13,559 that flashed and pulsed with their own light. 572 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:16,519 Speaker 1: Blinking lights in ancient Greece. That's the detail that just 573 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,039 stops me in my tracks, right. 574 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a shepherd in five hundred BC 575 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,799 and you somehow get a glimpse inside this forbidden fortress 576 00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:26,920 on the mountain and you see a command console with 577 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,240 LED indicators and fiber optic cables, what worse do you 578 00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:32,160 even have for that? 579 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: You don't have the vocabulary. You'd call them blinking jewels, 580 00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:37,039 living gems. 581 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,039 Speaker 2: You don't have the word for interface or monitor or 582 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,920 circuit board. No, you describe it the best you can, 583 00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:48,960 gleaming metal walls, blinking lights. It sounds exactly like a 584 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,240 modern military command post. A high tech bunker. 585 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,599 Speaker 1: It completely reframes that whole rebellion. The Titanomichy wasn't some 586 00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,480 mythic family squabble over who gets to sit at the 587 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,640 head of the day table. This is a technological civil 588 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,200 war between two advanced factions of extraterrestrials. 589 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 2: A war for control of the planet maybe, or for 590 00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:12,160 control of the very energy infrastructure. We've been talking about, 591 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,079 control of the grid. 592 00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm just stuck on that quote from the sources. Zeus 593 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,640 wasn't throwing lightning bolts. He was firing a particle beam 594 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,279 from the mountain. 595 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,279 Speaker 2: It changes everything. It turns Greek mythology into a sci 596 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:23,400 fi war documentary. 597 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,599 Speaker 1: It really does. And if Olympus was the main command center, 598 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:29,440 the Pentagon of its day, it makes perfect sense why 599 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,880 it was so defended, why it was so high up, 600 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,200 so inaccessible, why it. 601 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 2: Was always said to be shrouded in. 602 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: Clouds, artificial cloud. 603 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: Cover, camouflage. It's possible. 604 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: Okay, let's zoom out for a second. Let's look at 605 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,440 the map we've drawn today. Based on these threads. We 606 00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:47,359 have Italy, the Siusa Valley, a manufacturing and storage hub 607 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:51,720 for smithcraft for alien alloys, founded by the engineer Godta 608 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,519 and later guarded by these globes of fire. 609 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: Then we have Pakistan Mohenjo Daro, a site of what 610 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,680 looks like nuclear devastation, possibly a reactor meltdown, which proves 611 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,200 this technology had immense power and immense danger. 612 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: Then we go to Tibet Mount Kailash, a massive pyramid 613 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:14,799 shaped particle accelerator disguised as a mountain, generating the raw 614 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,000 power to run this entire global system. 615 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,279 Speaker 2: And finally we have Greece, Mount Olympus, the military command center, 616 00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:24,559 the headquarters, monitoring the grid and fighting off rival factions 617 00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:25,359 for control of it. 618 00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: It's a global network. These aren't just isolated myths from 619 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,240 different cultures that happen to sound a little similar. They're connected. 620 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,839 Speaker 2: That's the thrilling thread, isn't it. When you pull on it, 621 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,920 you realize these cultures, separated by thousands of miles and 622 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,359 thousands of years, might all be describing different components of 623 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,599 the exact same planetary scale machine. 624 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,359 Speaker 1: It makes you look at every mountain on Earth differently. 625 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,759 You don't just see rock and snow anymore. You start 626 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:52,160 to wonder what's inside, and. 627 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:55,319 Speaker 2: That leads to the most provocative thought of all, remember 628 00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:58,200 how the sources mentioned that in the SUSA Valley the 629 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,079 special energy is said to still be. 630 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: Right, said it remains. 631 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,519 Speaker 2: So if these mountains were power plants and military bases, 632 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:10,480 and the physical mountains are obviously still there, is the 633 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:11,920 machinery just dormant? 634 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,359 Speaker 1: Is it just in standby mode? 635 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: What happens if we accidentally find the on switch? 636 00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:18,079 Speaker 1: What happens if someone figures out how to fire up 637 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:19,200 Mount Kaylash again? 638 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,519 Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a spiritual awakening. It might be a 639 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,759 global restart of a technological system we don't even begin 640 00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:26,559 to understand. 641 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: And with the way our own technology is advancing, with AI, 642 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:34,480 with quantum computing, maybe we're getting closer to understanding those 643 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,839 ancient blueprints better than. 644 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 2: We think, which is both an exciting and a genuinely 645 00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:39,000 terrifying thought. 646 00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: That's the sweet spot. That's why we do this. Indeed, 647 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,480 so I have to ask you, the listener. We've laid 648 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,920 out four incredible locations today, four potential pieces of this 649 00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:53,240 ancient alien puzzle. If you were in Indiana, Jones type 650 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,359 or maybe a sci fi engineer, and you could get 651 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,960 a grant to visit just one of these sites to 652 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:01,039 hunt for the tech. Where would you go? 653 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 2: Ooh, that is a tough choice, right. 654 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,759 Speaker 1: Would you go to Mount Muzinet in Italy to look 655 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:10,960 for Pete Ta's alchemy vault? Would you go to Mohenjo 656 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:14,160 Daro with a Geiger counter? Would you make the trek 657 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,599 to Kilash to find the blueprints for the particle accelerator? 658 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,599 Or would you try and climb Olympus to find Zeus's 659 00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:21,319 captain's chair. 660 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: You know my first instinct. I think I'd go for Kilash, 661 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,440 the source of the power. If you can understand the 662 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,119 power plant, you can understand the whole grid. 663 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: See. I think I'm Team Olympus. I want to see 664 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,640 the blinking lights. I want to find the console. I 665 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,319 want to see the view from the command center. 666 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 2: Fair enough a different approach, but we want. 667 00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:38,039 Speaker 1: To hear from you. Leave a comment below, let us 668 00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:41,200 know which mountain you would explore and why, and tell 669 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,839 us what you think. Do you believe mythology is just 670 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,920 creative writing or is it misinterpreted history. 671 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 2: It's a question worth asking yourself next time you look 672 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,559 at a mountain range. 673 00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:54,079 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on thrilling threads. Keep looking up 674 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,640 and keep pulling the streams.