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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back in O t B. Hour number
two of the Show. Tuesday Show is brought to you
by Commutnet Steal again. Glad to have them back on
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to get them back, but hey, we got to do
what we got to do to have community to steal
back on the squad. Saints are making moves all over
the place. Also, this is from Kat Arrell. Shout out
el Shugret. The Nuanced Saints have restructured Eric McCoy's contract,
adding a voyage year, so his eight point seven million
dollar base salary plus his five hundred thousand dollars roster
bonus was converted into a signing bonus, which turns like
Flynn get sometimes save them seven point three million dollars
against the twenty twenty six salary cap. What I do
you got? You got one of those one time, and
I never did so I was better the other day.
Ever got like thirteen years ago yeah, so still really
good money, you know. Wow, like and you got it
all like that next time, I don't.
Speaker 3: Hope for success to your loved ones and friends.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean you pretty much said at them this
morning for the U High Golf Tournament.
Speaker 5: To be fair, you did, that's.
Speaker 4: Where my kids go. So true.
Speaker 5: You can't even deny that, like you really you said that.
Speaker 4: He kind of did.
Speaker 6: Hey, Michael Jordan said it. I can yourself.
Speaker 3: I mean basically same guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always said it. I've always said it. Uh
So that's a good move. And McCoy is such a
good player when he's healthy. You just got to keep
him healthy. And if you do with the move that
you made to bring in Edwards, you love what you've
done up front. Also, the Saints have signed tight end
No Offense to a two year deal. No fan got
two year deal, correct, Yeah, two year deal for no
offense and the tight end position for you had to
get an upgrade because you have some free agents like
Falshom Morow, Taysom Hill free agents. Juwan Johnson certainly not
a complete tight end. He is a receiver that is
playing tight end and look in some ways it gives you,
you know, some benefit and some pros and cons to
the but you needed like a real tight end somebody's
played his entire life.
Speaker 6: Did somebody Certainly the Saints have had their eye on
for a while. I don't know if he goes back
with Kellim Moore, whatever it is, but he was rumored
to Did he visit New Orleans before it was something
at the trade deadline? I believe this year that the
Saints were close to getting him, and maybe it was
at some point, but he was rumored to be a
Saint this past season at some point.
Speaker 3: So it's somebody that's been on their radar.
Speaker 7: And like you said, he visited last July during training camp.
Speaker 6: Okay, sorry before yeah, okay, there was not the trade
deadline before the actual season. So certainly it's a I'm
not going to sit here and say it like the
greatest tight end to ever played the position, but certainly
a person that fits the need.
Speaker 3: What would you call him, Jake? A Y tight end?
Speaker 4: He could be either one. I think he could be
a Y R N F to be honest with you,
where Juwan's only going to be an F. If he's
a Y, you're licking your chops a yackle No, it's
definitely not.
Speaker 3: That nobody knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 4: A yackle would be somebody like Will Disley, who's a
free agent. He was with the Chargers. Like he's a yackle.
He was just called Johnson.
Speaker 3: John Johnson's receiving tight end that sometimes chooses not to receive.
Speaker 4: True that that part's face.
Speaker 8: He runs the route in fairness.
Speaker 6: He does fair Sometimes he chooses to receive the ball
very well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then sometimes he decides not to, Like he's like, yep,
I think my chest needs a ball to hit.
Speaker 3: It real quick.
Speaker 6: Sometimes he decides to miss time is jump a little
bit at an alligator arm it. But sometimes he also
catches over three people's heads and scores a touchdown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you need it. Look, you needed to add some
tight ends. Now, I don't know what the plant like.
False Tomorrow is a free agent. We keep saying that
last year he made four million dollars the expected market
value for Foster's two point six this this time around.
So even if you added falsterim Morrow to your roster,
like that would give you three tight end options and
he's only gonna cost you two point six million dollars.
If you want to sign a one year deal. I mean, well,
you just got seven years of service time.
Speaker 6: So let me tell you there's some really good tight
ends in this draft as well that are going to
be fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh rounders.
Speaker 3: We saw it at at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 4: Like there was Cozil from Houston who just caught another
ball against LSU in the Texas Bowl. He's every bit,
He's six six and some change. With some real receiving,
he's a really good player. You might get him to
your point, Matt in the fifth, sixth, seventh rounds exactly.
Speaker 3: You could get that.
Speaker 6: It's just that there's an evolution of tight end happening
in the NFL. And there's a lot of guys that
were probably role players in college. Didn't get a lot
of I didn't have a lot of yards, didn't wasn't
that sexy player, didn't have games like Cozell had with
at Houston versus LSU.
Speaker 4: But like init a year at ball State where he
had ninety six catches, You're gonna.
Speaker 6: Get some guys in college and this is I'm just
I'm just making it like like a just a nice
even number here. I'm not basing this on any one
person You're gonna have some guys that get drafted in
the sixth seventh round that are gonna make immediate impacts
in a big way. Offensively, You're gonna have guys that
had thirty two catches and three hundred and ten yards
in college and then they're gonna go to someone like
the Rams and score seven touchdowns next year. Like You're
good because there's good players of that position and they're
being utilized in a way that I haven't really seen before. Like,
of course, the tight end's been out there, like you
saw it with the Patriots with broken You've seen these
great tight ends play. I'm not saying that, but the
way they're being used, like thirteen personnel as being like
one of the top personnel groups for the best at
one of the best offenses in the National Football League
is unheard of. But that's what's being done because they
create such bad They create matchup problems when you have
guys that can block but also run routes, and that's
what get it. It used to be like Jake likes
to put like the the why and the F tag on,
like you used to have like the blocker or the
pass catching but now you're starting to get like these
guys that are pass catchers but can also stick their
nose in there, right, and like that's why you see
the best offenses running thirteen personnel. And so they're they're
dressing out four or five tight ends every game because
not only are they really good there, they can play
a lot of different things on special teams as well.
Ward they're ward like, they they're versatile. So you're you
can catch another tight end in this draft late Yep,
that's gonna make a really good impact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I think this tight end classes. It might not have
the brock Bowers in it, but that's okay. From the
third to the sixth round, it's got some starters in it.
To your point, And because if you're the second tight
end in twelve person l in the NFL today, you're
a starter, like you can play. If you're a third
tight end, you're you're for something for sure.
Speaker 6: You could get your name announced before the game, run
out the tunnel by yourself as a starter.
Speaker 9: Think about a think about a guy like Jared Camp
from Oklahoma, but you're in a four to five to
two with the combine. People don't talk about him because
he played the linebacker for three years at Oklahoma. You
think that guy's not gonna stick his nose in there
and block for you. And he had over five hundred
receiving yards his loan years at tight end. Like that
guy's not getting drafted before were like round five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just Titans and you got Oscar delt from Georgia.
I know he's got the fracture in his foot that
he's like, I don't care. I want to go run
as a combine even players.
Speaker 6: Like that, and he hadn't had the success certainly like
a Sean mcfay or Shanahan or now with the guns. Yeah,
like they hadn't had that success, so you can't put
them in the same category. But I would put Kellen
Moore like offensive minded, Yeah, like I would put him
in that realm of like he could get to that point.
Speaker 3: I just said, realm, real like country.
Speaker 1: I like.
Speaker 6: And I believe that he's going to follow those trends,
And I would say tight end is a big thing
that he wants to implement more and more. He just
has to have the personnel to do it, and they
got to be healthy, of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do that.
Speaker 4: That is something they can get their third tight end
if they don't bring a veteran player in like Foston
Morro back to the fold, they can certainly get in
the later rounds of this draft, because it's deep when
you're talking about the middle rounds coming up here in April.
All right, let's go to mike linebacker though, right there
in the middle of your defense.
Speaker 3: Right there in the middle.
Speaker 4: To Mario Davis two years with Jets, talked about it earlier,
twenty plus million dollars. So you draft Danny Stutsman out
of Oklahoma in the fourth round. Last year, you got
Jalen Ford out of Texas, who you got in the
fifth round a couple of years ago. All right, Pete
Warner obviously is a will linebacker. You can need somebody
in that three to four to be right there in
the middle of your defense playing mike. Is that Danny Stutsman?
Have we seen enough from him to get the opportunity,
or let's take a look at who's available still a
free agency. Do you go get a veteran linebacker. Maybe
it's a two year deal, maybe it's a one year deal.
To say, you know what, I don't want an off
the ball rookie linebacker replacing Tomorrio Davis. It's a lot
of pressure. Let's sign this veteran player for this year
and then maybe next year we dive back into the draft.
Do you go say, hey, Levante David, you know us,
we know you. You've been in the league fourteen years.
We've played against you in the division every year. Do
you say, hey, Bobby Wagner, you've played fourteen years. I
need you for one. Hey, Kaate Nellis, you've played here before.
That was cool, I want to do it again, right,
Kate Nellis is somebody who's going to cost you probably
eight and a half million dollars for a one year deal,
maybe nine. Devin Bush is probably going to cost you
a little bit more. You have a decision, mate, Just
don't bring in Kenneth Murray. Don't don't do that. Don't
bring in Kenneth Murray. That's not what you need right now.
Matt Milano from Buffalo had a lot of injuries, so
that's always a concern. But on a one year, four
and a half million dollar deal, Matt Milano from Buffalo
can be in the middle of your defense. There's a
ton of options that you can have a one year
deal to try to replace the Mario Davis for one
year year, maybe two. I just think if you go
out and you get somebody in the third round off
theotball linebacker to replace somebody that potentially could be a
Hall of Famer, I'm not sure that's the best case
scenario for you. But I love the idea of bringing
in a Bobby Wagner Levonte David. I like the Bobby
kayen Nell. It's one of those guys that's free right
now that you can bring in for a year or two.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, certainly it's like Stutsman's chance to step up,
step in, prove that he can be the guy, right
But you would certainly like a little veteran blood in
there to kind of guide and lead and help form that.
I really like the Bobby Wagner move, Like I personally
like I was a teammate when he was a rookie.
Speaker 3: Like he's been in the league a long time. Oh god,
you're old. He was a rookie in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4: And see I don't uh huh, he's fourteen years in.
Speaker 6: Matthew Well, yeah, that heaby math And oh I do
remember he used to have a backpack and it was
a ninja turtle backpack. Well, Bob made him go up
in my book. Yeah it was awesome. No, seriously, I
love it. He had an inja turtle backpack you would
wear all the meetings. I had liked them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the shell on its alarms shell. Yeah did, Yeah,
I did.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That's really my only scouting report on Bobby Wagner.
Speaker 4: He got played fourteen years in the league. Yep, and
your scouting reporters, he had a ninja turtle backpack as
a rookie. You're not gonna get that anywhere else, folks.
Speaker 3: Right here on off the bench.
Speaker 4: Oh god, I am a little worried that. Brandon Staley,
who's the Saint Stevens the coordinator, did coach Kenneth Murray
when he was the head coach of the Chargers. And look,
I'm not just trying to be here be throwing shade
at Kenneth Murray. He's just he's not the kind of
linebacker you're gonna want. He's he's a sidelined sideline guy
in a three four defense man.
Speaker 3: So who is it?
Speaker 4: Who Kenneth Murray? So he played for Dallas last year
but got drafted by the Chargers in the first round
when Staley was the head coach there. But when you
play right in the middle of a three four defense,
you're gonna have guards that have a free path to
you immediately, because that's just the way when you play
an odd front, that's the way that it's going to happen.
He's not the guy I won't taken on a guard
right there in the middle of your defense. So, like again,
there's places for him. I don't think New Orleans is
that place. That's why I'd rather have Bobby Wagner, Levonte,
David Kayden Ellis. I'll take Devin Bush over that. I
take Matt Milano over that. Devin White's out there. Devin
White just had one hundred and forty five tackles for
the Raiders.
Speaker 3: Leo's I don't know what he's really talking about.
Speaker 4: I don't think Devin in a in a three four
is the best case for either one either, though.
Speaker 9: Leo played a lot of football for the Chiefs. He's
a solid linebacker.
Speaker 8: That's if you want to go cheap cheap.
Speaker 4: Like if you bargain Ben Hunting, that's gonna cost you
about four and a half million.
Speaker 8: Dollars one year deal in channel. Let me what twenty six?
So like a veteran but still young.
Speaker 3: They got it.
Speaker 4: They have to add somebody. Danny Stutsman. I think he say, good,
change his pace player, bring him in corps for war
Daddy that that's great. I don't know that he can
be your every down linebacker. So bring in a veteran player,
fare him with Danny Stutsman who can give you some
snaps on the defensive side, not just special teams, and
try to replace some of the leadership you lose with
to Mario Davis as.
Speaker 6: Well, how do you feel about the Let's talk about
the draft a little bit, like, how do you feel
about replacing via the draft? Because I know there's a
couple of linebackers that you like, certainly the one from
Ohio State.
Speaker 4: And then if you take Sunny Styles at eight, I'll
go turn in the car to the commissioner myself.
Speaker 6: I'll be there and what about I'll do it. How
about a second round pick Jazah Jaco Rodriguez, who will
be the defensive rookie of the year next year.
Speaker 4: It would You're probably right, I think we agree there.
It would have to be certain guys because like I
just said, like to take one to replace Damrio Davis,
it's going to take a strong mentality, and you might
be like, what do you mean, It's just football. I'm
just telling you. And you know this too. You been
in enough locker rooms. When you get drafted to replace
a legend, that brings in an added pressure not everybody
can handle. I was drafted to replace Lorenzo O'Neil, right,
different player, the offense was changing, but in fans minds
like I was brought in to replace Lorenzo O'Neil, who
might one day wear a gold jacket.
Speaker 6: So like I know, I get it. I was brought
in and replaced Brett Favre, so I get it, like
I get the pain guys. So there's there's things that
come with that, and you've got to be able to
handle that. So of the guys I think can handle
that sunny styles without question. I'm telling you, Like I
walked away.
Speaker 5: So can Jacob Martinez Rodriguez.
Speaker 4: Oh he called it Martinez. I was like, wait a minute,
but I think he could about say. I thinks I
think C J. Allen from Georgia and I think Jacob Bardriguez,
all three could handle that pressure that I'm talking about
after having conversations with him at the combine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with you, but I think you're putting
a lot on this pressure situation to replace something.
Speaker 4: I've just I've been through it.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 6: No one would have picked you to be able to
handle it, but you did. I don't know, I'm just
mess a captain, but like, yeah, I mean, especially this sage,
these guys are going to go in there and just
want they just want to play football.
Speaker 4: Not saying it's the only thing, but I'm telling you
it is something that is talked about, thought about. Again,
I've gone through this. I remember the feelings of people
talking about replacing the Legend, and they're always going to
compare you to that guy. There's people in this draft
that can handle that. I don't think everybody can handle that.
Speaker 6: I would agree with you, but that Legend decided to
sign with an irrelevant organization. He didn't like retire, he
didn't like lay his jersey down on the fifty, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He decided to go sign. Was like, there's gonna be pressure.
Speaker 4: He sounds a Jets and I was kind of like, well,
if he sounds a Jets. Is it really that hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a lot of pressure. I mean that
got left you. I mean, I'm not saying left.
Speaker 6: I don't want to say that the guy decided the
opportunity was better to play for the Jets.
Speaker 5: Look, I get money, but that's just.
Speaker 3: It's state income tax is going to be off the charts.
Speaker 9: Well, Jake mentioned, you know, he knows the situation. That's
why I wouldn't assigned to with them exactly. And he
knows the situation like he's been with the Jets. Did
you not remember you played for the Jets.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean yeah. The facility's nice. They got a
nice cafeteria. Domlets were really good.
Speaker 4: I was there.
Speaker 9: Maybe that's you know what I'm bad if tomorrow is honest,
there's like guys, it was. It was the Omelet and
they did like you could.
Speaker 3: Get it like a smoothie shake anytime you wanted to.
It was nice.
Speaker 8: I got it, and I'm actually kind of actually kind
of agree with the decision now for.
Speaker 4: What you just put in the chat. That's our coal.
Speaker 3: For them.
Speaker 5: No, I'm right.
Speaker 6: One thing I do remember about being in New Jersey
when I was with the Jets, I was there for
a while, is okay?
Speaker 3: If you in a Jersey correct me if I'm wrong.
You cannot pump your own gas?
Speaker 7: Right, So I drove from Philadelphia to New York and
my uncle was like, hey can I because they get
offended if you start pumping your own gas.
Speaker 3: You just can't do it. Like it's actually I think
it's a law. You can't pump your own.
Speaker 6: Full service station there's gas attendance because like the gas
station will close, and you got to get your gas
before the gas station closes, Like how fast Awkwards?
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 6: And then that's what Damario Davis. He chose to go
to a place where you can't get gas like after eight.
Speaker 5: Pmre in Jersey? Did you live in hobo?
Speaker 3: That's an indictment?
Speaker 8: It is that like that you don't want to pump
your own gas like silver spoon in hand idea by
the Saints.
Speaker 3: Yeah, move on.
Speaker 8: You know, you get older, sometimes you get cranky, Like
maybe that's.
Speaker 6: It there is like if you're in the chata, let
me know, is there any other state in the country
that doesn't let you pump your own nookie?
Speaker 8: Says a organ?
Speaker 6: Or well that checked that that tracks organ is soft objectively.
California is surprise shocking. They let you pump your own
guests there.
Speaker 4: Anyways, Uh, the Saints very well could go linebacker at eight.
I don't know any style is gonna make it, make
it to them. If he doesn't, we'll talk about maybe
the guy that we would select for the New Orleans
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the squad. We were talking a little bit before we
went to break about the Saints and what they could
do in the draft, and they lose to Mario Davis.
So maybe the linebacker position could be something that they
hit on in the first, the second, the third round.
The first round depends on if Sonny Styles is a
player that is still available. If he's not, well, where
did the New Orleans Saints go? And I think they go.
Speaker 3: Across the street.
Speaker 4: To the LSU football facility, and so like Monsieur de
Laine corner, Stop shaking your head. You just lost to
Lante Taylor. He lost post the debo last year. You
need a corner. He's the best corner in the draft.
You're picking at eight. The Chiefs desperately need a corner now.
They lost two to the Rams and lost the safety
to the Bengals. They need dvs. They're picking right behind you.
They could be aggressive and moving up to get ahead
of you for the same player I've seen marsh Monster fourth,
I think is the highest I've seen him in some
mock drafts. So Monster a laying somebody that everybody was
impressed with the combine. I was impressed with him. I
never had the chance to interview him until the combine
blew me away. Great football, like you, very well spoken,
hell of a player. If the Saints selecd him with
the eighth overall pick, how was feeling you were shaking
your head?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't like it.
Speaker 4: Why I like him?
Speaker 3: Okay? Well great?
Speaker 6: I mean it's the same thing as overpaying and free
agency for a corner. You're overpaying in your draft capital
for a corner like yeah, you gotta. You have to
find you have to have good corners to be successful
in the NFL as a defense.
Speaker 4: I got it. But you can't overpay for you think
selecting the top corner in the draft at eight.
Speaker 6: Is overpaying with the amount of needs you knit you
have and you have a first year or you have
a franchise quarterback that's in her a second year, you
have a second year your offensive minded head coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 6: Now if you can, if you can pick him like
later in the first round, you think it could be later, No,
he's not. He's gonna not. So Yeah, I don't. I
don't pass. I personally do not like to pick.
Speaker 4: Uh tite.
Speaker 9: I think this is the obvious pick at this at
this point. I didn't think that going into yesterday. But
I mean the moves you made, it's kind of your
biggest need as far as depth in the draft. Like
you need a receiver, tons of great receivers, you need
an ed rusher, tons of great ed rushers. Corner is
kind of your biggest need. Look, I don't think kool
Aid mcintree is a one at all. Quincy Riley maybe
you can have him as a cornerback two. You don't
have a top corner on this team right now.
Speaker 8: It's kind of your biggest spot, Miss Villa Reale.
Speaker 5: I would be for it.
Speaker 7: I understand what you're saying, Matt, but with I agree
with Taylor, like with the moves that you made yesterday,
I think that you can get what you need left
in the later rounds.
Speaker 6: There's two types of capital out there. There's actual capital,
there's money, and there's draft capital. And you can't overspend
on either one of those things for a corner. I
just show me where it's worked out. Show me where
a team has won a championship with doing that. Maybe
there's an example out there, but you're gonna have to search.
You're gonna have to look and be like, oh, yeah,
that's right. I think like, yeah, you can draft the
top ten cornerback and have a really good corner. But
tell me when that has equaled a championship.
Speaker 4: I think when Jalen Rams got traded for that was
kind of a missing piece. But look, I get your point.
Speaker 9: It almost worked in Jacksonville, like they had the game one,
Portals just couldn't throw the ball that day.
Speaker 4: I do hear what you're saying, and I'm agreeing with you,
and I think he's an incredible player. I think he's
not knock on. I think he's good enough to be
able to change the rules a bit on what you're
talking about. He graded out as the highest corner in
college football last year. There was teams that said, we're
not even looking your way when we game plan, and
you know, like you've played those guys, Lane Kippens said,
it's like, dude, we're not throwing to you. Stop asking.
Speaker 3: I don't even need to warm up.
Speaker 4: So for other corners in this draft, and this isn't
because he's an LSU guy. This is like actual analytics
and data saying, like McCoy from Tennessee is a good player.
He's hurt, so we got to see that Hood from
Tennessee is a good player. See Safe from South Carol
is a good player. Chris Johnson from San Diego State
is a good player. I don't even remotely think about
those guys early. I think Monsur is a different beast
than those guys. So if you selected him at eight,
it would not be a doomsday from me. I think
he's a really good player that would be deserving of
being a top eight pick. My first choice would be
Sunny Styles because I think the versatility he gives you.
I just don't know that he's going to be there.
If he is, again, I'll go turn in the card
for Mickey. I'll be set up right next to the stage,
just handed to me, and I would be very happy.
You see glee on my face if I got to
turn that in for the Saints.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like I would prefer if I have my Saints
had on Yeah, like I would prefer them to go
and find a corner and the like it's one day
of free agency, like the new league you hadn't even
technically opened yet.
Speaker 3: Go find secure guys.
Speaker 6: Don't overpay for them. Find you some good guys. Take
you take your corner in the draft, but don't overpay
for him. Now, do I have a replacement for you?
Like I understand what y'all are saying, Like he's a
deserved top ten pick, He's going to be a great
corner in the NFL, But like I don't and and
and y'all can make the argument for it, I don't
have and I can and I can disagree with you.
I don't have a replacement for him because I still
like this is the draft. This is a perfect draft
if they don't have the opportunity for sunny style, like,
this is the opportunity to trade back and get more
get more picks.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna keep right. I'm gonna keep saying it.
Speaker 6: I don't really know if anybody else is saying it,
maybe just because it's like against what me has always done.
But as Mickey limis ever done this well in the
first day of free agency either, So maybe he's a
new guy. Maybe he can change.
Speaker 7: Oh you kind of feeling like Kellen has a lot
more say than Yeah, we might be giving Ellen did
some of this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I think.
Speaker 7: Kellen needs a little bit of this. But I also
just I don't know what's going on in their front office.
It's just it hasn't been that way until he got here.
Speaker 4: Right as far as like the corners that maybe you
could afford in free agency, Cam Taylor Britt from Cincinnati,
he's going to cost you about nine per Greg Newsom
from Jacksonville is going to cost you about nine. Marshaun Lattimore,
it's gonna be available. He's out there.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: Dreike Willing from Seattle, he's a really good players about
eight point one is projected, he's gonna cost you per year.
After that, it gets a little dicey. Then you start
getting into Trayvon Diggs territory. He's gonna cost you about
seven and a half per year.
Speaker 8: So it's not some would be over nine.
Speaker 4: It's not the best free agent market for corners.
Speaker 8: I just I think there's a better line backers than
there are corners.
Speaker 4: Certainly like stop gap options for a year. So bring
back Marshall a lot of more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4: I think I think he's gonna be the pick. Now
if you select one of the Tennessee guys at eight,
Tennessee who volunteers, Okay, we got two corners, Sam, if
you select them at eight, then me and Mickey gotta.
Speaker 3: Have a combo. We got we got problems, we got
throw hands.
Speaker 4: But I think because of the player that we're talking
about and the need.
Speaker 5: That you have there, I think Delane is good enough
to be the exception.
Speaker 4: To the r Yeah, me too. What do you think
if you're if you don't want to go corner, if
you're at eight, well you signed the running back trade?
Yeah right?
Speaker 3: So e t N. Well, you know Mickey.
Speaker 8: Trading back actually like if you if you let me pick,
that's what I would do.
Speaker 6: But he's not so but he has also never done
this well in free agency. Like so we got to say,
maybe he's doing things.
Speaker 4: That are you gonna but who you're gonna trade with?
Because the team that needs corner as bad as anybody's
right behind you. Yeah, so where they're like, you know,
like who they're gonna get, they're gonna.
Speaker 8: Get with what prospect to jump there is.
Speaker 4: They're gonna try to get to six or seven. They're
not gonna try to get with you, like because they
think you are going to be the guy that selects
the corner. So you've got to find a team that
is willing to give up some real assets.
Speaker 6: Now, there's a lot of teams with real assets. I
was about saying, the Dallas Cowboys, the Raiders, now the Jets.
Speaker 4: The Raiders are probably gonna go offensive line at fourteen
after selecting Windows at one, even though they just signed Linderbaum.
They need a lot of help on the offensive line still,
and a guard at fourteen. You can make that justified.
Now the Cowboys is where it gets interesting, because they
like monsor de Laine, they got they need to help.
They can move up.
Speaker 8: They're a team that could jump up for Caleb Downs too.
Speaker 4: If they got the they got the draft treasure chance
to be able to do so.
Speaker 6: But again, guys, if any teams looking for a new
available we're talking about Mickey Loomis trading back in a draft.
Speaker 3: He's gonna do it. He's gonna do it. I believe
it's plus four fifty.
Speaker 5: I've just been burned too much from him.
Speaker 3: Well, he's starting to heal those burn winds.
Speaker 8: As long as he didn't take a line, I'm good.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 6: He had the best draft last year in the NFL.
It wasn't good draft, he got an award. More.
Speaker 4: If you're the New Orleans Saints and Dallas calls you
and says, hey, for number eight, we'll give you twelve,
a third and a sixth rounder. Yeah, because that's about
what it would take. Yeah, you'd move up.
Speaker 9: I would because would because you might not get delayed.
But you can still get a top flight receiver if
that's what you want. You could still get an edge
Druscher if you wanted that and you got more draft pick.
Speaker 6: If like if these if if their conversations or anything
like media conversations like our conversation and like you're not
convicted on one person. Absolutely, you got so many needs,
like you said you could. You could get a great
receiver and Edgdresser in the third round, you got a
linebacker on this Like, there's so many things you can
do with those extra picks. You could even trade them.
Could be a vote, could be a vote.
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Speaker 6: We've talked a lot about, certainly the Saints moves yesterday.
Speaker 4: Yep, golf clap to Mickey, good job, good job, good job,
keep it up.
Speaker 5: I'm not doing that yet.
Speaker 3: What you done for lately? What have you done for
me lately?
Speaker 4: Let's standing ovation, It's just say we see you.
Speaker 5: I'll give a like a hesitant like.
Speaker 6: Let's just say Mickey Loomis has been the best GM
in the NFL since I've been on the show.
Speaker 4: Do you believe that because he had the best draft
class and he's doing.
Speaker 6: Because you can tell the best draft class after one year?
Obviously the hardware says you can. Matt we're talking about
about the Saints. But let's let's stay within their division.
Let's check in one. Can we check in on the
Falcons how they're doing this off season?
Speaker 8: This is your quarterback room?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh that's good?
Speaker 3: Perfect?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Wrong?
Speaker 7: That for those listening not watching, it is a picture
of Michael Pinnox in a wheelchair. Looks like he just
up and then and then Tua getting carded on a
gurney off the field.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 5: That's the Falcons quarterback room for two thousand and Also,
isn't Kirk Cousins still there?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 5: Missed that one?
Speaker 8: You left?
Speaker 3: These pretty cool at days? It is pretty cool. So
the Falcons, Yes, they signed to turn the ball over
and to.
Speaker 5: Win the NFC South.
Speaker 4: They also got Eastern Stick.
Speaker 5: Oh, a cousin of Western Branch.
Speaker 8: Yeah, former Chargers legend.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 6: So I'm looking at this move and I'm thinking about
I'm thinking about a comp for this move for the Falcons.
Speaker 3: So two, it goes he's signing with the Falcons.
Speaker 6: And like I think those was it like an easy
move for them just because he's a lefty, Like I
don't know, like, but they see it seemed to be
his destination before this whole week even started, right, Uh,
that was the rumor that I was at least reading,
and I was trying to find a comp like, is
this a good move? Like who's actually going to be
the starterst to going in there to be the starter?
Is Michael Pennock's going to be healthy? He's had like
thirty five knee injuries in his career, his one year career.
And I was trying to think of a comp and
I started looking at the Colts. If you had to
say who his career to this point, Who's is better
to his career or Daniel Jones before he went to
the Colts.
Speaker 3: Has had a better career. And I don't even think
it's close.
Speaker 6: So could this be the same situation Daniel Jones came
in last year and they're like, well, Anthony Richardson is here,
He's going to be the starter, Daniel Jones is going
to like Who's Like? I feel like it's a very
comparable situation in Atlanta than it was with the Colts.
Now was that a one off?
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 6: We've seen it happen with a lot of quarterbacks. We've
seen it happen with Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, We've seen
it happen with all these different quarterbacks reviving their career
somewhere else.
Speaker 3: Right now, Tua has.
Speaker 6: Didn't look great a couple of times in the quarter
of public opinion because he kind of threw his teammates
under the bus. Sometimes there's a way to do that.
He didn't do it the right way. I don't think
like there is a way to do what he did
as a leader. Certainly coaches do it. Quarterbacks can do
it in the public eye throw throw people under the bus,
But there's a you gotta do it, like, it has
to be the right tone.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you also yourself when you're like one of the
problems and you're doing that, You you can't just blame
it on everybody else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 6: And you never know who empowered him to do that himself?
Was it was it the head coach? Like did somebody
empower him to do like? I don't know, because the
head coach didn't like it very much. I remember him
coming out and being like, uh the heill, Well somebody did,
But anyway, is it gonna work out? But let's just
say the deal for the Falcon has had these streaks
of greatness at Miami good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been times he's been good in the intermediate stuff.
He's very accurate. Yeah, and you like if I am
somebody like Tua Tongue Baiala and I just got released
and the Dolphins are paying me so I can go
sign a one million dollar contract, which is what he
got from Atlanta. And I look up and I've got
Bijeon Bromson. I've got Coyle Pits on the franchise. Tag
Johan and signed there yesterday. Zakia signed back there yesterday.
I've got Drake London. I'm looking at him. Austin Hooper
just signed. He was really good. You got weapons, they
got a lot of talent. So I'd be like fired up.
I would do everything I possibly could to be at
my very best to try to prove everybody wrong. This
is his last opportunity to get a chance to like this.
And you got dudes around you. If you don't work
out in Atlanta, that's on you. You also got Kevin Stefanski, who,
regardless of what you think of him, he's been an
NFL Coach of the Year twice.
Speaker 6: You really don't have any excuses. Yeah, and I get it,
he's had these bad streaks. Let's can't what what percentage
of that can you blame on the organization, Probably a
decent amount of it, but for a decent of like
a big period of time when two is, if he's conscious,
he's been pretty good.
Speaker 8: What I mean, it did go downhill after that to
your point, like.
Speaker 3: It's such a turd. It's true he got knocked out a.
Speaker 5: Lot, but he got knocked out a lot.
Speaker 3: It's a fair point.
Speaker 6: And then after he got knocked out a lot, he
wasn't that good, rightfully, so as brain wasn't.
Speaker 5: Working him to throw his teammates under the bus.
Speaker 9: About intermediate stuff like the Falcons last year invested a
lot into their own line and you could say, well,
got sacked a lot. Penix held into the ball a
lot too, like if if we can get the ball
out of his hands quick like their line was actually
pretty good, La.
Speaker 6: I was pretty high. Michael Pennix too, you will, I
mean you were hoping. I was, Yeah, you had card game.
You know you were vested hard out here in the
streets at the card game.
Speaker 4: Uh, let's do this. Let's take a break on time
ish and uh when we come back, that's ad ish,
when we come for us. When we come back, we'll
talk about the panthers, because the panthers and bucks if
we're standing in South. They also made some moves that
I like, and we'll talk about them when we jump
back here on o TV.
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Community steel co dot com. Well, tam Bay Buccaneers aren't
gonna have Mike Evans. He's on their team anymore. He's
three year deal with the San Francisco forty nine ers.
He loves base cities. He loves base cities. I did
not think he was gonna get a three years, but
shout out to him. He's been to Green Bay. He
said there's a not a building tall enough for him,
So he's going to San Francisco building. I mean, he
just likes big cities.
Speaker 3: I think you know.
Speaker 4: There's David Busters though.
Speaker 3: That's a good move for.
Speaker 4: It's a great Dave and Busters. Yeah, when they're in
the draft last year.
Speaker 3: AnyWho.
Speaker 4: Uh so he's going to the forty nine ers. I
love that move for them. It gives them actually a
receiver they can trust and not Brandon Ayuk or you
know Ricky Piersaw who has been good when he hadn't
been heard but he's shot. Yeah, it has got in
the street. The thing that that's wild about it, that
actually didn't keep him out for as long as some
of the ankles.
Speaker 8: Right, he splayed more games than Brandon.
Speaker 6: I you that, like Mike Evans not like read about
the electromagnetic fields around their practice.
Speaker 3: Issues.
Speaker 9: Somebody was like Evans around the electromagnetic field is not
great because he was hurt all last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not good. I did like to move though.
Speaker 4: Speaking of the Tampa Bay Bucks, the other Bay in
the game, weell, I like that great, great pickup for them.
We talked about him Tampa Bay. Oh yeah, he talked
about what he was for the Steelers at the end
of last year. He was there off, he was their
player MVP voted their m v P of their team. Yeah,
like he was incredible. I wanted him to be the same.
Speaker 9: He's a good change of bays for Bucky Irvy last
year for Shad why it fits to him, which just
kind of a poor man's Bucky Irvy. You didn't really
get anything different. Kenneth Walker is a good change of
base said. He's a little bit different than Bucky Irvy.
Speaker 6: He's a lot different. Like he can he can catch
them all down the field. You split him out a
receiver and he can run. I saw him. Oh, there
was that one play towards the end. I don't know
if it was like the game to get in the
playoffs or right, it was a game that mattered. He
made an unbelievable yeah catch he was to get him
in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 4: Helloy player Jaylen Phillips goes to the Carolina Panthers edge
rusher one hundred and twenty million dollars, big.
Speaker 3: Moves, can you pick it? Goes to the Panthers as well.
Speaker 4: He did say a half million dollars. Memphis wasn't very
excited about that one. All right, We'll talk more New
Orleans Saints where I got Nick Underhill New Orleans, not football.
When we come back, our number three OTV off the bench,