Speaker 1: It's nice time with Dan Ray. I'm going you Mazy
Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Kyle. I hope you have a great weekend.
Speaker 2: Going to be a busy weekend for everybody in the
Speaker 2: newsroom for sure, with all of the two hundred and
Speaker 2: fiftieth anniversary activity as well as the marathon coming up
Speaker 2: on Monday. My name's Dan Ray, Host of Nights. I'd
Speaker 2: heard every Monday through Friday night right here on w
Speaker 2: b Z from eight until midnight. We have a really
Speaker 2: interesting show for you coming up tonight, but I want
Speaker 2: to jump right into the eight o'clock hour. First, doll again,
Speaker 2: remind you that I'm Dan Ray. I'm the host of
Speaker 2: the show. Rob Brooks is back in the control room.
Speaker 2: Rob will set you up with phone calls. Once we
Speaker 2: start taking phone calls in the nine, ten or eleven
Speaker 2: o'clock hours. We will do our grind your gears tonight
Speaker 2: in the twentieth hour of the week at eleven. I
Speaker 2: know a lot of people are happy about that, but
Speaker 2: we have we have really four interesting guests here in
Speaker 2: this hour, and I don't want to cut short anyone
Speaker 2: for their time. And my first guest is someone who
Speaker 2: is no strength to New England, that is for sure.
Speaker 2: Andrew Nixon and O Nixon who is involved with the group.
Speaker 2: He's the founder of Wings of America, but he also
Speaker 2: has he has certainly a lot of experience in Boston.
Speaker 2: He was part of the very popular nineteen eighties New
Speaker 2: England based band Duke and the Drivers that also included
Speaker 2: Henry Eaton, a his fellow bandmate and a fellow reporter
Speaker 2: of mine at WBZTV. So I've known Henry a long
Speaker 2: time and a pleasure to make your acquaintance tonight. How
Speaker 2: are you welcome back to Boston.
Speaker 3: Well, yall, I'm so happy to be here. Dan, I
Speaker 3: thank you for getting me on board tonight with the
Speaker 3: help of our mutual friend Peggy Rose. Yes, I did
Speaker 3: hang with Duke and the Drivers under a different m O.
Speaker 3: I've transferred all of that energy, which I will never
Speaker 3: forget and always remember fondly to Wings of America Dot org.
Speaker 3: This was a native American.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it's a foundation that that you were the
Speaker 2: founder of. Tell how does a guy get from being
Speaker 2: a a There was a big band back in the day,
Speaker 2: Duke and the Drivers. I think anyone who was around
Speaker 2: Boston was very familiar with Duke and the Drivers. How
Speaker 2: do you end up, you know, a few couple of
Speaker 2: decades later, you're really hanging in another part of the country,
Speaker 2: and you're you're bringing back to New England a culture
Speaker 2: that perhaps some people are not as familiar with as
Speaker 2: they should be, which is the Native American culture. In
Speaker 2: the context of the marathon, you have really brought your
Speaker 2: worlds together.
Speaker 3: That that's really true. Dan, After the Drivers, I needed
Speaker 3: some r and R away from the metropolitan world of
Speaker 3: rock and roll and the rhythm and blues here in Boston,
Speaker 3: by the way, to find a city in this count
Speaker 3: Wings of America I was interested in. I'm not the
Speaker 3: only founder. I met another chap who changed the trajectory
Speaker 3: of my life towards the Southwest, towards Native American lore
Speaker 3: and history, and I've just felt an affinity for Native
Speaker 3: Americans because of the way all of the history evolved.
Speaker 3: It was a pretty messy situation. So Wings of America
Speaker 3: is an Indian youth program. It's a youth development program.
Speaker 3: Catalyst is running the Southwest happens to have a really
Speaker 3: strong history and presence for running distances, So we affect
Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of youths since our inception in the eighties,
Speaker 3: and it's been a great transition for me. Wings of
Speaker 3: America is reaching out and coming to New England and
Speaker 3: we're looking to make friends, expand our programs and move
Speaker 3: into the New England area with the tribal people that
Speaker 3: are here. There's a very strong tribal element here in
Speaker 3: New England. We would like to join forces with them
Speaker 3: as well as those people in the Southwest.
Speaker 2: I just want to mention you co found his name,
Speaker 2: Will Channing. Want to give him an acknowledgment. An acknowledgment.
Speaker 3: I'd like to acknowledge Will Channing, and I'd like to
Speaker 3: acknowledge Orrin Lyons, who is a fire keeper of the
Speaker 3: hod of the Iroquois Confederacy. He is our mentor and
Speaker 3: he's ninety five plus now. He lives up in Upstate
Speaker 3: New York and he really drove us to start Wings
Speaker 3: of America back in the eighties. And we've started it
Speaker 3: with a ten thousand dollars check from a family member
Speaker 3: and we've burgeoned from them into a really solid Native
Speaker 3: American program really designed to enhance Native American opportunity.
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to hit a couple of the highlights
Speaker 2: of this weekend. First of all, two Native charity runners
Speaker 2: have raised funds to help pay for this trip. These
Speaker 2: are what's called Pursuit students. The trip chaperones Sky Izzo
Speaker 2: and Josava Christman. That's right, they're going to run in
Speaker 2: the race, correct, that's right.
Speaker 3: The chaperones are there to keep an eye on the kids.
Speaker 3: There are five kids. Yeah, there are three girls and
Speaker 3: two boys, and they're running in the five k BAA
Speaker 3: event and the chaperones will then turn around and run
Speaker 3: in the major in the marathon, and we'll be there
Speaker 3: to share them on and everything else. And this is
Speaker 3: a really A lot of these kids have never been
Speaker 3: out of New Mexico or Arizona. Some of them have
Speaker 3: never been off the reds, so Wings offers them the
Speaker 3: opportunity to see the world in a light day they
Speaker 3: are unfamiliar with. We get to go see people at
Speaker 3: Harvard and different universities around the area, and it's a
Speaker 3: real eye opener of our trademark move.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My understanding is that these five students, all who
Speaker 2: apparently academically are highly qualified. They need a high school
Speaker 2: a GPA of at least three point zero, and they
Speaker 2: also have to be a member of a federal or
Speaker 2: state recognized tribe. They have to have letters of recommendations
Speaker 2: from their teachers, and they will get tours of Harvard.
Speaker 2: I think it's Boston College and Northeastern, which will give
Speaker 2: them a real taste of what it would be like
Speaker 2: to go to college here. Whether or not they'll end
Speaker 2: up applying, who knows. But they will experience Boston in
Speaker 2: a way that very few people, even people who live here,
Speaker 2: will will experience. All a result of this, my understanding
Speaker 2: that a mutual friend, Ernie Back Junior, is also very
Speaker 2: much involved in the activity. He's hoping he's hosting an
Speaker 2: event tomorrow which is not a public event. Make that clear,
Speaker 2: but as I understand that, and people who might not
Speaker 2: remember Duke and the drivers, and I guess there are
Speaker 2: some people who might have been going after you're out there.
Speaker 2: You guys opened for a lot of big bands. You
Speaker 2: had a great reputation, but you opened. I believe you've
Speaker 2: opened for arrow Smith And I'm going to note here
Speaker 2: that says you might have opened once for the Rolling Stones?
Speaker 3: Is that true? We we've opened for a lot of them,
Speaker 3: and as as a lot of our guests and fans
Speaker 3: can't remember. I'm having a difficult time remembering all but
Speaker 3: about thirty minutes of that three year stretch.
Speaker 2: Well, I understand.
Speaker 3: It was with a lot of people, and we were
Speaker 3: We started in the club scene. We started at the
Speaker 3: Western Front which is now long gone, Marvin Gilmore over
Speaker 3: on Western Avenue, and we played Paul Samall, We played
Speaker 3: the Garden, we played the cow Palace, we played the
Speaker 3: Salt Palace. We got to the point where we either
Speaker 3: had to carry on or disperse, and dispersed seemed to
Speaker 3: be the more courageous thing to do for us at
Speaker 3: the time. And that's what it's all about, is giving
Speaker 3: it back. And we were good. We were considered sort
Speaker 3: of the legendary party band of all time here in Boston.
Speaker 2: Well, let's just say this without each other. Let's just
Speaker 2: without casting any sort of dispersions. It was. It was
Speaker 2: a time here in New England where there was a
Speaker 2: great rock and roll seeing you guys were a big
Speaker 2: part of it. The fact that you don't remember everything specifically,
Speaker 2: we can understand that. But you now have channeled that
Speaker 2: immense energy to help some people who need some help
Speaker 2: and have been sort of kind of dismissed and out
Speaker 2: of the spotlight for centuries here in this country. And
Speaker 2: how can folks if they want to help you the
Speaker 2: website you gave it to me before give it to
Speaker 2: me one more time.
Speaker 3: Wings of Americas, we're talking. We're calling Wingsofamerica dot org
Speaker 3: and we're on Instagram. We have a web page. We're
Speaker 3: on I like to say Facebook, but it's meta whatever
Speaker 3: that is. Yes, we are looking for people to back
Speaker 3: us up here and to join the force. And the
Speaker 3: force is good, and you're right, it's it's a very
Speaker 3: important situation because out of all the iliumascenari philanthropic dollars
Speaker 3: that come out of people's pockets every year in the
Speaker 3: United States, only a very small quarter of one percent
Speaker 3: gets the Indian country, as I call it. But the
Speaker 3: Native Americans so more money. We need to raise more money,
Speaker 3: and we need to get these kids into college, and
Speaker 3: we need to get these kids into the workforce in
Speaker 3: any way we can. All the people are just unbelievable,
Speaker 3: really connected, lovely people that we've been working with.
Speaker 2: And all I can say is that anyone who can
Speaker 2: use the word eliomwsnary as you just did in the
Speaker 2: context of the sentence correctly. I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Dan. I appreciate it for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. There's a few words out there that
Speaker 2: I love, Elia Morsonary, I love peripatetic. There's there's a
Speaker 2: few of those adjectives that that just can be used perfectly.
Speaker 2: The French would say libermal press or lib prism, which
Speaker 2: I forget where the very true the down comes and
Speaker 2: where the adjective comes. I think it's libo press if
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken anyway. And on Nixon, welcome back to Boston.
Speaker 2: You are the wings of many people, the Wings of
Speaker 2: America dot org. Best of what. I hope to run
Speaker 2: into you at some point this weekend. Thanks Ando, I
Speaker 2: really do appreciate it. When you see our mutual friend
Speaker 2: and I can say our coke, our colleague Henry eat
Speaker 2: and play, our cadillact Jack as he was known.
Speaker 3: Tell me thank you very much. I appreciate the time.
Speaker 3: Keep looking for Wings of America dot org. Check it
Speaker 3: out on the on the computer feeds. We are ready
Speaker 3: for more and more and more. We are ready to go,
Speaker 3: all right. Thanks so happy to be here for the marathon.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much.
Speaker 2: Congratulations, welcome home. When that's a great, great organization to
Speaker 2: get behind. When we get back, we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about that two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Battle
Speaker 2: of Lexington. Two members, one a journalist, one a historian,
Speaker 2: both of whom play important roles in the reenactment. This weekend,
Speaker 2: we'll be back on Nightside. My name is Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: This is WBZ in Boston.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: It's a big weekend two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. Amongst
Speaker 2: others of the Battle of Lexington, and with us is
Speaker 2: Rashid Walters, friend and a journalist Alex Kane, who has
Speaker 2: been on this show before, local historian, member of the
Speaker 2: Lexington Minute Men. Both Received and Alex are going to
Speaker 2: participate in the big battle. And Alex, let's start with you.
Speaker 2: What time do people have to arrive on the Lexington
Speaker 2: Green And again I assume that this is in actuality.
Speaker 2: This is tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1: Right it is?
Speaker 4: And even Dan, it's great to chat with you again,
Speaker 4: it's probably it's the original fight was five five point
Speaker 4: thirty in the morning, and we're doing it at that time,
Speaker 4: so it's only a few hours away from now. My
Speaker 4: advice is if you were going to go to the
Speaker 4: Lexington Green, if you want to get a good seat,
Speaker 4: you probably want to get there by about three.
Speaker 3: In the morning.
Speaker 4: They're anticipating record numbers to attend this two hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty three enactment, so it's best advice to get there
Speaker 4: as early as possible and use public trans inspectation of
Speaker 4: it's available.
Speaker 2: Give us, if you will, the hits runs and eras,
Speaker 2: if you will from the battle, almost like a baseball
Speaker 2: box score. How many people were, how many folks were
Speaker 2: on each side of the battle, and when the smoke cleared,
Speaker 2: how many we're no longer with us?
Speaker 4: Sure, So you had Captain John Parker's Lexington Company at
Speaker 4: the Battle of Lexington. You had roughly seventy to seventy
Speaker 4: seven men on the green. Facing off against them were
Speaker 4: roughly seven hundred British infantry soldiers, about three point fifty
Speaker 4: who were light infantry, in three fifty who were grenadiers.
Speaker 4: By the time the battle was over, and it was
Speaker 4: a very quick battle, it was under five minutes in time,
Speaker 4: eight militiamen were dead, an additional ten were wounded. Only
Speaker 4: one British soldier was lightly wounded and a horse also
Speaker 4: had its hide grazed with a musketball.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what stopped the battle? And it seemed to
Speaker 2: me that you out number ten to one. Why didn't
Speaker 2: the British just keep firing away and kill as many
Speaker 2: people as many minute men as they could.
Speaker 4: Well, it came down to I don't think the British
Speaker 4: intended to open fire until that mysterious shot took place,
Speaker 4: and then the soldier sort of lost control and fired
Speaker 4: point blank into Parker's company and then rushed forward. The
Speaker 4: British officers at that point in command scramble to regain
Speaker 4: control of their men as Parker's company was being swept
Speaker 4: from the field. I think the only thing that saved
Speaker 4: them was the officers were able to regain control. The
Speaker 4: casualties could have been much much higher. I had the
Speaker 4: British been allowed to pursue beyond the Lexington Green. But
Speaker 4: also keep in mind their main objective was not Lexington.
Speaker 4: It was conquered where the provincial ammunition was stored, so
Speaker 4: they had a mission to pick up on and so
Speaker 4: as a result, they had to basically keep going to conquered.
Speaker 2: Gotcha Rashid, I know that you have a very interesting
Speaker 2: role tomorrow. Explain to my audience who you represent and
Speaker 2: do you survive the battle?
Speaker 5: Rashid, sure, so, I represent a man named Prince Esterbrook,
Speaker 5: and Prince the Brook was an enslaved man in Lexington
Speaker 5: who was part of Parker's militia group. He was actually
Speaker 5: one of the first veterans of our country and one
Speaker 5: of the first wounded in the American Revolution, the first wounded.
Speaker 5: He survived the Green He was shot in his elbow
Speaker 5: and he actually did end up going back into the
Speaker 5: fight with Captain Parker as they en Bush the British
Speaker 5: retreating back to Boston's.
Speaker 2: Wow, boy, that's that is that is quite a legacy.
Speaker 2: Now here's how much, Rashid do you folks practice during
Speaker 2: the year? I mean, this is a huge moment. There
Speaker 2: won't be another fiftieth anniversary. I mean the next one
Speaker 2: will be the three hundredth innniversary fifty years from now.
Speaker 2: How much effort and practice in anticipation of tomorrow morning
Speaker 2: a little more than six and a half hours from
Speaker 2: now or so, well, that's actually would be more about
Speaker 2: eight hours from now. How much practice have you folks done?
Speaker 2: In preparation for this, well, I.
Speaker 5: Know Alex could kind of chime in as well, but
Speaker 5: a lot of preparations started last year, especially you know,
Speaker 5: Alex did a lot of work with their reenactment itself,
Speaker 5: making sure it's historically accurate, creating scripts and as the men,
Speaker 5: we had numerous drills where you know, we would travel
Speaker 5: to Lexington and we would be in our period uniforms
Speaker 5: and outfits and kits drilling on the green. And we've
Speaker 5: been doing that since I think maybe October, so every Saturday,
Speaker 5: most of us would come out and train and rehearse
Speaker 5: and just we want this to be perfect because obviously
Speaker 5: it's notes to two fifty if it's honoring the men
Speaker 5: who really sacrifice their lives for us to enjoy this country.
Speaker 5: The shot heard around the world happened in Lixington. That
Speaker 5: was the start, and if it wasn't for those men
Speaker 5: who made that stand, we wouldn't have America. So you know,
Speaker 5: we have been very invested for quite some time in
Speaker 5: honoring their legacy and also making sure that we are
Speaker 5: a good representation of those who have sacrificed.
Speaker 2: Well, again, thank you for both of you for what
Speaker 2: you do and for anyone who's going to be fortunate
Speaker 2: enough to be out there tomorrow morning, it's going to
Speaker 2: be a historic moment. It will have been two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty years to the day and to the hour
Speaker 2: when the revolution which this country has founded upon occurred.
Speaker 2: I must tell you, I work till midnight, so I'm
Speaker 2: not going to be there. But anyone who's lucky enough
Speaker 2: to be there or even within the sound of my voice,
Speaker 2: can get there. Uh. It's a moment not to be missed. Rashid,
Speaker 2: thank you for your friendship, Thank you for your commitment
Speaker 2: of this. And Alex, thank you for being back on
Speaker 2: the program and also being this historian of such an
Speaker 2: important moment in time for not only the United States
Speaker 2: of America, but for the entire world when you think
Speaker 2: about it. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: I am here all right.
Speaker 2: Best of luck tomorrow morning. Wow. That's that's one that
Speaker 2: if you're going to be lucky enough to see that,
Speaker 2: I'll go another year when maybe I'm retired, because this
Speaker 2: is one that I wouldn't that I want to see
Speaker 2: before before I pass on. We are going to take
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Speaker 2: from wherever you are anywhere in the world. My name
Speaker 2: is Dan Ray. Be back right after the news at
Speaker 2: the bottom of the hour, and we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about this crazy woodpecker that's wreaking havoc up in Rockport, Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: one of the prettiest towns in all of New England.
Speaker 1: You're on light Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
Speaker 1: news Radio.
Speaker 2: Think by now most of us have heard about the
Speaker 2: story of this woodpecker, not woody woodpecker, but this crazy
Speaker 2: woodpecker who is really having quite a time up in
Speaker 2: Rockport smashing car windows and mirrors with us. Is Tia Pinny, Tia.
Speaker 2: I hope I pronounced the last name correctly. It's Penny correct,
Speaker 2: not Penny Penny.
Speaker 3: That is correct.
Speaker 2: Great, you're a senior naturalist with mass Audubon. I think
Speaker 2: I know what a senior naturalist is, so therefore, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you're very qualified to explain the the characteristics of
Speaker 2: this crazy woodpecker. Where were woodpeckers in the winter time?
Speaker 2: Because I hear them in the spring, and I can
Speaker 2: hear them in the summer. I occasionally hear them in
Speaker 2: the winter where I live, but they're not nearly as
Speaker 2: active in the winter. Where did they spend the winter?
Speaker 2: Not in Florida?
Speaker 6: Correct, Correct, not in Florida. They pretty much most of
Speaker 6: our most of our woodpeckers spend the winter either with
Speaker 6: us or near us. They might go a little further south,
Speaker 6: but they they don't. They are not particularly migratory. But
Speaker 6: in the winter, they got nothing to talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing else, okay, nothing.
Speaker 6: Well, they're not they're not into it, you know, they're
Speaker 6: not they're not trying to set up nests. They're not
Speaker 6: trying to set up territories. They got they you know,
Speaker 6: they're just they're just surviving winter. And then comes spring.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, well, well so they're reading the newspapers like
Speaker 2: the most of us. They read about the Red Sox
Speaker 2: at spring training and they realize, Okay, it's it's going
Speaker 2: to get warm pretty soon. I know the drill. I
Speaker 2: know the drill is native New Englanders, and so now
Speaker 2: they're getting a little active. So have we got close
Speaker 2: enough to this woodpecker to know if this woodpecker is
Speaker 2: a male or a female?
Speaker 6: Well, it's definitely a male.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, it's got to be.
Speaker 6: I mean, they.
Speaker 2: Always cause trouble, you know, I mean we realize that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So what's the deal here? What what the heck is that?
Speaker 2: What's going on with this this guy?
Speaker 6: So what's going on is that, you know, for most
Speaker 6: of the year, they have absolutely no no interest in reproduction,
Speaker 6: in any of that. They're they're you know, even their
Speaker 6: their organ systems that are that they're not using shrink.
Speaker 6: You know, they're they're hardly you would hardly even find them,
Speaker 6: if you you know, when.
Speaker 2: You say that hurts me to hear you say that.
Speaker 3: By the way, I understand that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's the way it is for a bird.
Speaker 6: And so so comes spring, you know, come late winter spring,
Speaker 6: the hormones start flowing, and uh and there you go.
Speaker 6: You're you just got to get out there and establish
Speaker 6: a territory. So that when the when the females come around,
Speaker 6: you can you can impress her with your territory and
Speaker 6: impress her with the sounds that you make.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, so why cars, why mirrors, why windshields, what's
Speaker 2: going on there?
Speaker 6: It's because it's because birds don't really see mirrors or windows.
Speaker 6: They see themselves. If there's you know, if there's a
Speaker 6: if there's enough dark behind a window, and or if
Speaker 6: it's a mirror, they will see them. They will see
Speaker 6: another They don't see themselves. I apologize for that. They
Speaker 6: don't see themselves. They see another bird. So when he's
Speaker 6: establishing a territory, when he's establishing a territory, he doesn't
Speaker 6: want that other bird.
Speaker 2: Okay, So they actually in actuality see themselves, but they
Speaker 2: see what they think inaccurately is it another bird. And
Speaker 2: they peck away and they have powerful little beaks. I've well,
Speaker 2: I've had I had a woodpecker. I had a woodpecker
Speaker 2: who was pecking the heck out of my house and
Speaker 2: I would hear him. We live in an older home. Uh,
Speaker 2: and he was he just loved to peck away. I'm
Speaker 2: told that the woodpecker was looking for Oh i guess
Speaker 2: some sort of little bugs or something that might have
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 6: That's a myth. That's a myth. He was pecking, he
Speaker 6: was practicing. That was that was probably in the fall,
Speaker 6: more likely than in the spring.
Speaker 2: And I think it was that. I think it was
Speaker 2: the spring. That I could be wrong on that when
Speaker 2: it was a couple of years ago. And so he
Speaker 2: was practiced on my house.
Speaker 6: Correct, Is it a dark house.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a more of a light gray, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you.
Speaker 6: Well there you go, but yeah, no they're not. They're
Speaker 6: rarely if they really aren't looking for bugs. It's no
Speaker 6: sign that there are bugs under your shingles or your
Speaker 6: collapse or any of that. It's just that they're just
Speaker 6: it's usually young ones, you know, that are practicing.
Speaker 2: And then I had another woodpecker who for some reason
Speaker 2: was interested in hitting the flashing around the chimney, which
Speaker 2: to me so yeah, unsatisfying. And I would hear a
Speaker 2: very different sound on a different side of the house.
Speaker 2: And I'm convinced he was going after the flashing around
Speaker 2: the chimney. Does that make sense?
Speaker 6: He may have just been making He may have liked
Speaker 6: it because of the quality of the sound that he made.
Speaker 6: I once lived I once lived in a house that
Speaker 6: was near a street sign, you know, a metal street sign,
Speaker 6: and a woodpecker discovered that street sign and used that
Speaker 6: to drum on because it was really impressed. The noise
Speaker 6: was very different and very loud.
Speaker 2: Okay, So name have they named the woodpecker in Rockport
Speaker 2: with a name like creative, like Rocky or something like.
Speaker 6: That, Not that I've heard. I haven't heard any creative names.
Speaker 6: I've heard some. I've heard some referrals that we we
Speaker 6: can't say.
Speaker 3: On the radio.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know exactly those words absolutely. George Carlin mentioned
Speaker 2: those words on several occasions that we're not allowed to say.
Speaker 2: I get that. So what is the latest status on this?
Speaker 2: Has this woodpecker moved on? Is he still uh pecking
Speaker 2: up there?
Speaker 6: As long as I know he's still around, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know if he's still having as much impact
Speaker 6: because I believe and and uh. John Herbert, our chief
Speaker 6: bird person, was interviewed earlier in the week, and he's
Speaker 6: convinced it's just one male who has just discovered this
Speaker 6: and it's and it appiliated. Woodpeckers are huge and that's
Speaker 6: why he can break the mirrors because he don't.
Speaker 2: This This is a word that struck me. It was
Speaker 2: interesting you just used the word affiliated.
Speaker 6: Was that the word affiliated? P I L E A
Speaker 6: T ed. That's the name of this particular that's the species,
Speaker 6: that's the that's the English name, the common name of
Speaker 6: this species of woodpecker.
Speaker 2: Which derivation if you know of piliated, because they're not.
Speaker 2: I'm also fascinated by words.
Speaker 6: I am too, But you know, I've never looked affiliated
Speaker 6: and some people say piliated. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Well that's okay. The next time that we talk, I
Speaker 2: will have figured that word out one one way or
Speaker 2: the other. Do we have do we have account at
Speaker 2: this point?
Speaker 3: I e.
Speaker 2: X numbers of mirrors or x numbers of windshields?
Speaker 5: I heard.
Speaker 6: The numbers that I have heard, which I have not verified,
Speaker 6: are one wind she field or or possibly one window
Speaker 6: like a bat maybe even a back window, a rear windshield.
Speaker 6: And then maybe more than a dozen, but less than
Speaker 6: two dozen mirrors. And the recommendation. And I think what
Speaker 6: a number of people have done who live in the
Speaker 6: immediate area is they put bags over their side of
Speaker 6: their side mirrors.
Speaker 2: Now I've seen that. I've seen that. Will they come
Speaker 2: a point in time where that woodpecker will discover that
Speaker 2: they're a female woodpeckers in the area, and he will
Speaker 2: lose his interest in trying. He will focus his his
Speaker 2: correct his prowess, if you will.
Speaker 6: Right, he will this This will last at the most
Speaker 6: a few weeks. I would, I mean it should you know? Yeah, well,
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 2: How long do woodpeckers live? What's their life? Expect their life?
Speaker 6: That's a good question, I you know, but yeah, will
Speaker 6: he come back next year? No, he will soon move
Speaker 6: on to uh to to actually nesting and and uh
Speaker 6: and and and getting it finding himself a female woodpecker
Speaker 6: to uh to set up, to set up housing with.
Speaker 2: But he he could still be around next year, is
Speaker 2: the point. I mean, it's you know, he.
Speaker 6: Could yeah, yeah, come back.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, well that is good to know. You know.
Speaker 2: It's funny in the wintertime. In the wintertime, on the
Speaker 2: like a cold, brisk, clear day where I live, we
Speaker 2: have some trees, uh and tall trees, and on one
Speaker 2: of those days when the snow crunches under your feet
Speaker 2: and it's the nature is still, I can hear someone,
Speaker 2: I can hear a woodpecker, and from I know, he's
Speaker 2: not near, but he sounds like he's in the in
Speaker 2: the tree above. And they're a beautiful they make a
Speaker 2: beautiful sound. Again, it like if you pick, just pick
Speaker 2: a date January ninth of any winter, if it's a clear, crisp, cool,
Speaker 2: cold day, and if you listen, you'll be able to
Speaker 2: hear a woodpecker if you live anywhere in New England.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I really enjoyed this conversation.
Speaker 6: Good for you, I enjoyed it. Also, Thank you Dan,
Speaker 6: and good for you for listening for those woodpeckers. They're important,
Speaker 6: they're important birds.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, if well, woody woodpecker. I grew up with
Speaker 2: the cartoon characters.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, how can folks get more information from mass Audubon,
Speaker 2: since you've been kind enough to spend some time with
Speaker 2: us tonight.
Speaker 6: More information on woodpeckers for mass Audubon, I would more.
Speaker 2: Into the website, more information about mass audible. Maybe there's
Speaker 2: some people.
Speaker 6: Who would like more information about mass Audubon. Absolutely, the
Speaker 6: mass audubon dot org. You know, just go there and
Speaker 6: we have all kinds of things to find out. They're
Speaker 6: more information. Perfect ways you can help ways you can
Speaker 6: help woodpeckers, even if they do even if they do
Speaker 6: attack your car.
Speaker 2: The one thing what I say is, if there is
Speaker 2: a woodpecker that is pecking on your your side mirror
Speaker 2: of your car, don't make the mistake of grabbing a
Speaker 2: gun and trying to shoot the woodpecker because yeah, getting
Speaker 2: the way well, well not only get would you get
Speaker 2: in trouble. The woodpecker might might might get hit, but
Speaker 2: your car would get hit. So that's the one thing
Speaker 2: I would advise people. And I'm not a naturalistic, not
Speaker 2: an expert in this area, but I think that that
Speaker 2: advice is solid advice. Would you agree, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I totally agree with you. Dan, Absolutely, you very much.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Ah, we get back. Thanks for talking again. Mass
Speaker 2: Audubon dot org a great organization. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about a very interesting study that says eighty two percent
Speaker 2: of working women women in the workforce change their speaking
Speaker 2: style while they're on the clock. We'll find out right
Speaker 2: after this one Night Side.
Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: We're joined by Suzanne Castle. She is a leadership expert
Speaker 2: who helps women entrepreneurs. Susanne Castle Welcome to Nightside. How
Speaker 2: are you.
Speaker 7: I'm fadulous. Thanks for having me this evening.
Speaker 2: Always love to speak to fabulous people. You have. Going
Speaker 2: to comment on a study that says eighty two percent
Speaker 2: of women in the workforce change their speaking style when
Speaker 2: they're on the clock. Fascinating statistic, fascinating study. Don't know
Speaker 2: how it was conducted, but tell us what it means.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the bottom line first and then we
Speaker 2: can work our way backwards. I'm kind of surprised from that.
Speaker 2: I've worked with a lot of women in television and
Speaker 2: radio O for a long career, and I've known most
Speaker 2: of them on and off the job. Is this a
Speaker 2: new phenomenon or is this something that has been around forever.
Speaker 7: Oh, it's definitely not a fresh phenomenon. But the emotional
Speaker 7: cost is real. In fact, there was a study done
Speaker 7: in the Journal of Applied Psychology a couple of years ago,
Speaker 7: and it's called code switching, and what they found is
Speaker 7: it has cognitive and emotional costs because when a person
Speaker 7: feels like they can't be themselves or talk like they
Speaker 7: want you, whether they're having to mask their emotions, it
Speaker 7: leads to emotional exhaustion. And lower job satisfaction and greater burnout.
Speaker 7: And like you know, as you've worked with a lot
Speaker 7: of women, if you want them to be at their
Speaker 7: peak performance and be their brilliant selves, then you want
Speaker 7: them to be themselves, no question.
Speaker 2: I've been in the business for fifty well close to
Speaker 2: fifty years thirty one years. Is an on air television
Speaker 2: reporter with the CBS affiliate here in Boston, WBZ, and
Speaker 2: now working originally for w for CBS Radio at WBZ
Speaker 2: now iHeart. We're in iHeart Media station. And I have
Speaker 2: known dozens of women, and there are certain times when
Speaker 2: I think everyone in the workplace will probably tighten up
Speaker 2: a little bit when the boss walks down on a
Speaker 2: Monday morning. You know, instead of hey, how you doing,
Speaker 2: good morning, maybe everybody's gonna say good morning, sir, how
Speaker 2: are you today, and all of that sort of you know,
Speaker 2: take on the more precise intonations if you will. I
Speaker 2: work in a business where speaking is very important. Working
Speaker 2: in radio, it's all My entire presentation is now audio.
Speaker 2: It used to be obviously visual and audio. And I
Speaker 2: will tell you that when I started in this business
Speaker 2: a long time ago, I made a conscious effort you
Speaker 2: heard I said effort to get rid of my New
Speaker 2: England and Boston accent because I had grown up here.
Speaker 2: So I've, i guess, made a conscious effort to change
Speaker 2: my way of speaking, but it's because of what I
Speaker 2: do for a living. This is a survey of women
Speaker 2: in a variety of jobs, from I'm sure CEOs right
Speaker 2: down to women who are starting their careers. Has there
Speaker 2: ever been a study of men in the workforce on
Speaker 2: this issue, because that would be an interesting statistic to compare.
Speaker 7: I think it would be an interesting statistic to compare.
Speaker 7: I don't have that in front of me if it
Speaker 7: has been done. And I think you're onto something when
Speaker 7: you say there is a professionalism tone that we carry
Speaker 7: with us, right, And I don't think it's necessarily that
Speaker 7: women are being reckless. I think it's about giving women
Speaker 7: the same emotional freedom to lead with edge or passion
Speaker 7: or authority without being punished for it. So an example
Speaker 7: that I give is, let's say that in a meeting
Speaker 7: there's a lot of ideas flying around, and a man
Speaker 7: might swear because he's very passionate about that, and he
Speaker 7: gets a lot of head nods, and a woman does
Speaker 7: it and suddenly she's unprofessional, right, So same words, but
Speaker 7: there's different consequences. And so I think a lot of
Speaker 7: what the study gets at is that professionalism should just
Speaker 7: be consistent across the board. So it shouldn't be about
Speaker 7: the man gets a head nod and the woman now
Speaker 7: seems unprofessional. Do you allow that kind of language in
Speaker 7: your workplace or not? And so I think that's where
Speaker 7: the understanding of what professionalism is or isn't is going
Speaker 7: to be crucial, especially as we have Generation Z in
Speaker 7: the workforce and they have had different kinds of social
Speaker 7: interaction happening, and so we have to learn what does
Speaker 7: it mean to communicate and how are we doing it
Speaker 7: at a level where everyone feels like they're unequal footing.
Speaker 2: I will tell you I've worked in television in the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies and eighties and a big market Boston, and
Speaker 2: I got to tie you back at those days had
Speaker 2: a rough time because the language that was used. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was a different world of people, both men and
Speaker 2: women smoked, for example, you will not see that today
Speaker 2: in a television news room. The old image of people,
Speaker 2: you know, chain smoking as they read the newscast, or
Speaker 2: even chain smoking, so they could get their voices to
Speaker 2: be a little deeper and more more more tonality in
Speaker 2: their voice. Today, it is a very different workplace, at
Speaker 2: least in my business, which is the media, and it
Speaker 2: has been that way for a number of years. A
Speaker 2: lot of the I guess stupidity that men were willing
Speaker 2: to engage in in terms of telling jokes irrespective of
Speaker 2: who was present. That just doesn't fly anymore. I mean
Speaker 2: that those are the changes in the workplace that that
Speaker 2: I have seen of the years, and it's I just
Speaker 2: I hope someone does this study of men as well,
Speaker 2: because this would be a shame if women, that high
Speaker 2: percentage of women feel they have to somehow change their
Speaker 2: presentation in order to be more accepted in the workplace.
Speaker 2: That's what would bother me the most.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, from a neuroscience standpoint, self monitoring, think
Speaker 7: about that all day long. All it does is overload
Speaker 7: your prefrontal cortex. And so when you're in that mode,
Speaker 7: you're in burnout mode, you're in doubt mode, you shut down,
Speaker 7: you can't make decisions as effectively as you could. And
Speaker 7: so what I find really wild here in this discussion
Speaker 7: that we're having is that these women that answered in
Speaker 7: this study aren't just doing the job. They are assuming
Speaker 7: or they're feeling like they have to manage their voice
Speaker 7: and their face and their tone and their outfit and
Speaker 7: their volume. And so that's an emotional labor piece, and
Speaker 7: I do think it's straining leadership capacity. Now do men
Speaker 7: feel the same way. I don't know, because the staid
Speaker 7: you didn't talk about that, But it really is interesting
Speaker 7: to me that we don't want to dim down any
Speaker 7: kind of leadership, right, and that kind of leadership isn't
Speaker 7: sustainable and it sure isn't strategic. And so I really
Speaker 7: think that coach switching does have this kind of cognitive
Speaker 7: and emotional cost to it. And I hope that really
Speaker 7: environments choose to level up rather than ask anyone to,
Speaker 7: you know, really dumb down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll also tell you that in my career,
Speaker 2: and primarily talking about my career in television, the most
Speaker 2: effective leaders that I had bosses were often women. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe television news was ahead of the
Speaker 2: curve in the workplace. Never never worked in a factory,
Speaker 2: never worked in an office setting. I remember when I
Speaker 2: first started working as a lawyer, the lawyer who was
Speaker 2: training me I graduated from law school and was working
Speaker 2: with a group of attorneys. One of the first things
Speaker 2: that my dear friend John Ducas did was he called
Speaker 2: me the officers, Dan, Now, one thing you have to
Speaker 2: do is dictate your letters to miss Linda. And when
Speaker 2: he left the room, I said, Linda, I type, really well,
Speaker 2: I'll put your initials down to the corner. And it
Speaker 2: used to drive my boss crazy because we'd go in
Speaker 2: the conference room and he could tell I wasn't dictating.
Speaker 2: It was like, we're just having a little chat and
Speaker 2: conversation and I would say, this is little letter that
Speaker 2: I'm sending, make sure this goes out, whatever. But I
Speaker 2: just felt really uncomfortable sitting there dictating in what was
Speaker 2: common in law offices back in the nineteen seventies to
Speaker 2: somebody who was just going to sit there and be
Speaker 2: in effect with a stenographer Amanu Wency's maybe it may
Speaker 2: be uncomfortable anyway. Anyway, thank you for this information. We'll
Speaker 2: have to look at it. When you get that report
Speaker 2: on working men, come on back and let's see, let's
Speaker 2: see how close the numbers are. Okay, thanks Suzie.
Speaker 7: I would love to do that. Thanks for having me tonight.
Speaker 2: All right, we come back. We are going to talk
Speaker 2: about a student questionnaire, a middle school student questionnaire in
Speaker 2: the town of Burlington that has royal parents up there
Speaker 2: waiting to hear about this questionnaire for kids in the sixth, seventh,
Speaker 2: and eighth grade. Whoa back on Night's side right after
Speaker 2: the nine o'clock news