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<v Speaker 1>It's nice time with Dan Ray. I'm going you Mazy

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much, Kyle. I hope you have a great weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to be a busy weekend for everybody in the

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<v Speaker 2>newsroom for sure, with all of the two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fiftieth anniversary activity as well as the marathon coming up

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<v Speaker 2>on Monday. My name's Dan Ray, Host of Nights. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>heard every Monday through Friday night right here on w

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<v Speaker 2>b Z from eight until midnight. We have a really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting show for you coming up tonight, but I want

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<v Speaker 2>to jump right into the eight o'clock hour. First, doll again,

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<v Speaker 2>remind you that I'm Dan Ray. I'm the host of

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<v Speaker 2>the show. Rob Brooks is back in the control room.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob will set you up with phone calls. Once we

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<v Speaker 2>start taking phone calls in the nine, ten or eleven

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock hours. We will do our grind your gears tonight

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<v Speaker 2>in the twentieth hour of the week at eleven. I

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot of people are happy about that, but

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<v Speaker 2>we have we have really four interesting guests here in

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<v Speaker 2>this hour, and I don't want to cut short anyone

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<v Speaker 2>for their time. And my first guest is someone who

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<v Speaker 2>is no strength to New England, that is for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Nixon and O Nixon who is involved with the group.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the founder of Wings of America, but he also

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<v Speaker 2>has he has certainly a lot of experience in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>He was part of the very popular nineteen eighties New

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<v Speaker 2>England based band Duke and the Drivers that also included

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<v Speaker 2>Henry Eaton, a his fellow bandmate and a fellow reporter

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<v Speaker 2>of mine at WBZTV. So I've known Henry a long

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<v Speaker 2>time and a pleasure to make your acquaintance tonight. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you welcome back to Boston.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yall, I'm so happy to be here. Dan, I

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for getting me on board tonight with the

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<v Speaker 3>help of our mutual friend Peggy Rose. Yes, I did

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<v Speaker 3>hang with Duke and the Drivers under a different m O.

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<v Speaker 3>I've transferred all of that energy, which I will never

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<v Speaker 3>forget and always remember fondly to Wings of America Dot org.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a native American.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, it's a foundation that that you were the

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<v Speaker 2>founder of. Tell how does a guy get from being

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<v Speaker 2>a a There was a big band back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>Duke and the Drivers. I think anyone who was around

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<v Speaker 2>Boston was very familiar with Duke and the Drivers. How

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<v Speaker 2>do you end up, you know, a few couple of

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<v Speaker 2>decades later, you're really hanging in another part of the country,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're you're bringing back to New England a culture

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<v Speaker 2>that perhaps some people are not as familiar with as

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<v Speaker 2>they should be, which is the Native American culture. In

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<v Speaker 2>the context of the marathon, you have really brought your

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<v Speaker 2>worlds together.

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<v Speaker 3>That that's really true. Dan, After the Drivers, I needed

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<v Speaker 3>some r and R away from the metropolitan world of

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<v Speaker 3>rock and roll and the rhythm and blues here in Boston,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, to find a city in this count

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<v Speaker 3>Wings of America I was interested in. I'm not the

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<v Speaker 3>only founder. I met another chap who changed the trajectory

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<v Speaker 3>of my life towards the Southwest, towards Native American lore

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<v Speaker 3>and history, and I've just felt an affinity for Native

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<v Speaker 3>Americans because of the way all of the history evolved.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a pretty messy situation. So Wings of America

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<v Speaker 3>is an Indian youth program. It's a youth development program.

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<v Speaker 3>Catalyst is running the Southwest happens to have a really

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<v Speaker 3>strong history and presence for running distances, So we affect

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<v Speaker 3>thousands and thousands of youths since our inception in the eighties,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's been a great transition for me. Wings of

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<v Speaker 3>America is reaching out and coming to New England and

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<v Speaker 3>we're looking to make friends, expand our programs and move

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<v Speaker 3>into the New England area with the tribal people that

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<v Speaker 3>are here. There's a very strong tribal element here in

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<v Speaker 3>New England. We would like to join forces with them

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<v Speaker 3>as well as those people in the Southwest.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to mention you co found his name,

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<v Speaker 2>Will Channing. Want to give him an acknowledgment. An acknowledgment.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to acknowledge Will Channing, and I'd like to

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<v Speaker 3>acknowledge Orrin Lyons, who is a fire keeper of the

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<v Speaker 3>hod of the Iroquois Confederacy. He is our mentor and

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<v Speaker 3>he's ninety five plus now. He lives up in Upstate

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<v Speaker 3>New York and he really drove us to start Wings

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<v Speaker 3>of America back in the eighties. And we've started it

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<v Speaker 3>with a ten thousand dollars check from a family member

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<v Speaker 3>and we've burgeoned from them into a really solid Native

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<v Speaker 3>American program really designed to enhance Native American opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I want to hit a couple of the highlights

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<v Speaker 2>of this weekend. First of all, two Native charity runners

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<v Speaker 2>have raised funds to help pay for this trip. These

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<v Speaker 2>are what's called Pursuit students. The trip chaperones Sky Izzo

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<v Speaker 2>and Josava Christman. That's right, they're going to run in

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<v Speaker 2>the race, correct, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>The chaperones are there to keep an eye on the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>There are five kids. Yeah, there are three girls and

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<v Speaker 3>two boys, and they're running in the five k BAA

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<v Speaker 3>event and the chaperones will then turn around and run

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<v Speaker 3>in the major in the marathon, and we'll be there

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<v Speaker 3>to share them on and everything else. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>a really A lot of these kids have never been

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<v Speaker 3>out of New Mexico or Arizona. Some of them have

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<v Speaker 3>never been off the reds, so Wings offers them the

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to see the world in a light day they

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<v Speaker 3>are unfamiliar with. We get to go see people at

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<v Speaker 3>Harvard and different universities around the area, and it's a

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<v Speaker 3>real eye opener of our trademark move.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My understanding is that these five students, all who

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<v Speaker 2>apparently academically are highly qualified. They need a high school

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<v Speaker 2>a GPA of at least three point zero, and they

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<v Speaker 2>also have to be a member of a federal or

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<v Speaker 2>state recognized tribe. They have to have letters of recommendations

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<v Speaker 2>from their teachers, and they will get tours of Harvard.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's Boston College and Northeastern, which will give

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<v Speaker 2>them a real taste of what it would be like

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<v Speaker 2>to go to college here. Whether or not they'll end

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<v Speaker 2>up applying, who knows. But they will experience Boston in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that very few people, even people who live here,

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<v Speaker 2>will will experience. All a result of this, my understanding

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<v Speaker 2>that a mutual friend, Ernie Back Junior, is also very

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<v Speaker 2>much involved in the activity. He's hoping he's hosting an

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<v Speaker 2>event tomorrow which is not a public event. Make that clear,

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<v Speaker 2>but as I understand that, and people who might not

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<v Speaker 2>remember Duke and the drivers, and I guess there are

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<v Speaker 2>some people who might have been going after you're out there.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys opened for a lot of big bands. You

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<v Speaker 2>had a great reputation, but you opened. I believe you've

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<v Speaker 2>opened for arrow Smith And I'm going to note here

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<v Speaker 2>that says you might have opened once for the Rolling Stones?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that true? We we've opened for a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 3>and as as a lot of our guests and fans

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<v Speaker 3>can't remember. I'm having a difficult time remembering all but

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<v Speaker 3>about thirty minutes of that three year stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>It was with a lot of people, and we were

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<v Speaker 3>We started in the club scene. We started at the

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<v Speaker 3>Western Front which is now long gone, Marvin Gilmore over

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<v Speaker 3>on Western Avenue, and we played Paul Samall, We played

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<v Speaker 3>the Garden, we played the cow Palace, we played the

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<v Speaker 3>Salt Palace. We got to the point where we either

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<v Speaker 3>had to carry on or disperse, and dispersed seemed to

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<v Speaker 3>be the more courageous thing to do for us at

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<v Speaker 3>the time. And that's what it's all about, is giving

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<v Speaker 3>it back. And we were good. We were considered sort

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<v Speaker 3>of the legendary party band of all time here in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's just say this without each other. Let's just

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<v Speaker 2>without casting any sort of dispersions. It was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a time here in New England where there was a

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<v Speaker 2>great rock and roll seeing you guys were a big

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<v Speaker 2>part of it. The fact that you don't remember everything specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>we can understand that. But you now have channeled that

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<v Speaker 2>immense energy to help some people who need some help

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<v Speaker 2>and have been sort of kind of dismissed and out

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<v Speaker 2>of the spotlight for centuries here in this country. And

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<v Speaker 2>how can folks if they want to help you the

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<v Speaker 2>website you gave it to me before give it to

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<v Speaker 2>me one more time.

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<v Speaker 3>Wings of Americas, we're talking. We're calling Wingsofamerica dot org

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<v Speaker 3>and we're on Instagram. We have a web page. We're

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<v Speaker 3>on I like to say Facebook, but it's meta whatever

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<v Speaker 3>that is. Yes, we are looking for people to back

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<v Speaker 3>us up here and to join the force. And the

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<v Speaker 3>force is good, and you're right, it's it's a very

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<v Speaker 3>important situation because out of all the iliumascenari philanthropic dollars

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<v Speaker 3>that come out of people's pockets every year in the

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<v Speaker 3>United States, only a very small quarter of one percent

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<v Speaker 3>gets the Indian country, as I call it. But the

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<v Speaker 3>Native Americans so more money. We need to raise more money,

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<v Speaker 3>and we need to get these kids into college, and

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<v Speaker 3>we need to get these kids into the workforce in

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<v Speaker 3>any way we can. All the people are just unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 3>really connected, lovely people that we've been working with.

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<v Speaker 2>And all I can say is that anyone who can

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<v Speaker 2>use the word eliomwsnary as you just did in the

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<v Speaker 2>context of the sentence correctly. I'm a huge fan.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Dan. I appreciate it for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's great. There's a few words out there that

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<v Speaker 2>I love, Elia Morsonary, I love peripatetic. There's there's a

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<v Speaker 2>few of those adjectives that that just can be used perfectly.

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<v Speaker 2>The French would say libermal press or lib prism, which

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<v Speaker 2>I forget where the very true the down comes and

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<v Speaker 2>where the adjective comes. I think it's libo press if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not mistaken anyway. And on Nixon, welcome back to Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>You are the wings of many people, the Wings of

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<v Speaker 2>America dot org. Best of what. I hope to run

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<v Speaker 2>into you at some point this weekend. Thanks Ando, I

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<v Speaker 2>really do appreciate it. When you see our mutual friend

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<v Speaker 2>and I can say our coke, our colleague Henry eat

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<v Speaker 2>and play, our cadillact Jack as he was known.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me thank you very much. I appreciate the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep looking for Wings of America dot org. Check it

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<v Speaker 3>out on the on the computer feeds. We are ready

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<v Speaker 3>for more and more and more. We are ready to go,

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<v Speaker 3>all right. Thanks so happy to be here for the marathon.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations, welcome home. When that's a great, great organization to

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<v Speaker 2>get behind. When we get back, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Battle

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<v Speaker 2>of Lexington. Two members, one a journalist, one a historian,

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<v Speaker 2>both of whom play important roles in the reenactment. This weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be back on Nightside. My name is Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>This is WBZ in Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big weekend two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. Amongst

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<v Speaker 2>others of the Battle of Lexington, and with us is

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<v Speaker 2>Rashid Walters, friend and a journalist Alex Kane, who has

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<v Speaker 2>been on this show before, local historian, member of the

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<v Speaker 2>Lexington Minute Men. Both Received and Alex are going to

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<v Speaker 2>participate in the big battle. And Alex, let's start with you.

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<v Speaker 2>What time do people have to arrive on the Lexington

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<v Speaker 2>Green And again I assume that this is in actuality.

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<v Speaker 2>This is tomorrow morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Right it is?

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<v Speaker 4>And even Dan, it's great to chat with you again,

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<v Speaker 4>it's probably it's the original fight was five five point

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<v Speaker 3>In the morning.

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<v Speaker 4>They're anticipating record numbers to attend this two hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>as early as possible and use public trans inspectation of

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<v Speaker 2>Give us, if you will, the hits runs and eras,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will from the battle, almost like a baseball

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<v Speaker 2>box score. How many people were, how many folks were

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<v Speaker 2>on each side of the battle, and when the smoke cleared,

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<v Speaker 2>how many we're no longer with us?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, So you had Captain John Parker's Lexington Company at

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<v Speaker 4>who were light infantry, in three fifty who were grenadiers.

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<v Speaker 4>By the time the battle was over, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>a very quick battle, it was under five minutes in time,

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<v Speaker 4>eight militiamen were dead, an additional ten were wounded. Only

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<v Speaker 4>one British soldier was lightly wounded and a horse also

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<v Speaker 4>had its hide grazed with a musketball.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what stopped the battle? And it seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>me that you out number ten to one. Why didn't

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it came down to I don't think the British

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<v Speaker 4>intended to open fire until that mysterious shot took place,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the soldier sort of lost control and fired

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<v Speaker 4>point blank into Parker's company and then rushed forward. The

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<v Speaker 4>British officers at that point in command scramble to regain

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<v Speaker 4>control of their men as Parker's company was being swept

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<v Speaker 4>from the field. I think the only thing that saved

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<v Speaker 4>them was the officers were able to regain control. The

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<v Speaker 4>casualties could have been much much higher. I had the

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<v Speaker 4>British been allowed to pursue beyond the Lexington Green. But

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<v Speaker 4>also keep in mind their main objective was not Lexington.

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<v Speaker 4>It was conquered where the provincial ammunition was stored, so

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<v Speaker 4>as a result, they had to basically keep going to conquered.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha Rashid, I know that you have a very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>role tomorrow. Explain to my audience who you represent and

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<v Speaker 2>do you survive the battle?

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<v Speaker 5>Rashid, sure, so, I represent a man named Prince Esterbrook,

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<v Speaker 5>and Prince the Brook was an enslaved man in Lexington

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<v Speaker 5>who was part of Parker's militia group. He was actually

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<v Speaker 5>one of the first veterans of our country and one

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<v Speaker 5>of the first wounded in the American Revolution, the first wounded.

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<v Speaker 5>He survived the Green He was shot in his elbow

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<v Speaker 5>and he actually did end up going back into the

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<v Speaker 5>fight with Captain Parker as they en Bush the British

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<v Speaker 5>retreating back to Boston's.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, boy, that's that is that is quite a legacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's how much, Rashid do you folks practice during

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<v Speaker 2>the year? I mean, this is a huge moment. There

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<v Speaker 2>won't be another fiftieth anniversary. I mean the next one

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<v Speaker 2>will be the three hundredth innniversary fifty years from now.

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<v Speaker 2>How much effort and practice in anticipation of tomorrow morning

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<v Speaker 2>a little more than six and a half hours from

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<v Speaker 2>now or so, well, that's actually would be more about

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<v Speaker 2>eight hours from now. How much practice have you folks done?

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<v Speaker 2>In preparation for this, well, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Know Alex could kind of chime in as well, but

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of preparations started last year, especially you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Alex did a lot of work with their reenactment itself,

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<v Speaker 5>making sure it's historically accurate, creating scripts and as the men,

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<v Speaker 5>we had numerous drills where you know, we would travel

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<v Speaker 5>to Lexington and we would be in our period uniforms

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<v Speaker 5>and outfits and kits drilling on the green. And we've

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<v Speaker 5>been doing that since I think maybe October, so every Saturday,

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<v Speaker 5>most of us would come out and train and rehearse

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<v Speaker 5>and just we want this to be perfect because obviously

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<v Speaker 5>it's notes to two fifty if it's honoring the men

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<v Speaker 5>who really sacrifice their lives for us to enjoy this country.

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<v Speaker 5>The shot heard around the world happened in Lixington. That

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<v Speaker 5>was the start, and if it wasn't for those men

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<v Speaker 5>who made that stand, we wouldn't have America. So you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we have been very invested for quite some time in

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<v Speaker 5>honoring their legacy and also making sure that we are

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<v Speaker 5>a good representation of those who have sacrificed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, again, thank you for both of you for what

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<v Speaker 2>you do and for anyone who's going to be fortunate

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<v Speaker 2>enough to be out there tomorrow morning, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a historic moment. It will have been two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty years to the day and to the hour

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<v Speaker 2>when the revolution which this country has founded upon occurred.

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<v Speaker 2>I must tell you, I work till midnight, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be there. But anyone who's lucky enough

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<v Speaker 2>to be there or even within the sound of my voice,

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<v Speaker 2>can get there. Uh. It's a moment not to be missed. Rashid,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for your friendship, Thank you for your commitment

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<v Speaker 2>of this. And Alex, thank you for being back on

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<v Speaker 2>the program and also being this historian of such an

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<v Speaker 2>important moment in time for not only the United States

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<v Speaker 2>of America, but for the entire world when you think

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Gentlemen, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 5>I am here all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Best of luck tomorrow morning. Wow. That's that's one that

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<v Speaker 2>if you're going to be lucky enough to see that,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go another year when maybe I'm retired, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is one that I wouldn't that I want to see

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<v Speaker 2>before before I pass on. We are going to take

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of the hour, and we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this crazy woodpecker that's wreaking havoc up in Rockport, Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the prettiest towns in all of New England.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on light Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's

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<v Speaker 2>Think by now most of us have heard about the

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<v Speaker 2>story of this woodpecker, not woody woodpecker, but this crazy

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<v Speaker 2>woodpecker who is really having quite a time up in

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<v Speaker 2>Rockport smashing car windows and mirrors with us. Is Tia Pinny, Tia.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope I pronounced the last name correctly. It's Penny correct,

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<v Speaker 2>not Penny Penny.

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<v Speaker 3>That is correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, you're a senior naturalist with mass Audubon. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I know what a senior naturalist is, so therefore, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure you're very qualified to explain the the characteristics of

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<v Speaker 2>this crazy woodpecker. Where were woodpeckers in the winter time?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I hear them in the spring, and I can

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<v Speaker 2>hear them in the summer. I occasionally hear them in

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<v Speaker 2>the winter where I live, but they're not nearly as

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<v Speaker 2>active in the winter. Where did they spend the winter?

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<v Speaker 2>Not in Florida?

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<v Speaker 6>Correct, Correct, not in Florida. They pretty much most of

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<v Speaker 6>our most of our woodpeckers spend the winter either with

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<v Speaker 6>us or near us. They might go a little further south,

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<v Speaker 6>but they they don't. They are not particularly migratory. But

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<v Speaker 6>in the winter, they got nothing to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's nothing else, okay, nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, they're not they're not into it, you know, they're

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<v Speaker 6>not they're not trying to set up nests. They're not

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<v Speaker 6>trying to set up territories. They got they you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they're just they're just surviving winter. And then comes spring.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, well, well so they're reading the newspapers like

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<v Speaker 2>the most of us. They read about the Red Sox

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<v Speaker 2>at spring training and they realize, Okay, it's it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to get warm pretty soon. I know the drill. I

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<v Speaker 2>know the drill is native New Englanders, and so now

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<v Speaker 2>they're getting a little active. So have we got close

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<v Speaker 2>enough to this woodpecker to know if this woodpecker is

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<v Speaker 2>a male or a female?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it's definitely a male.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, it's got to be.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Always cause trouble, you know, I mean we realize that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So what's the deal here? What what the heck is that?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on with this this guy?

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<v Speaker 6>So what's going on is that, you know, for most

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<v Speaker 6>of the year, they have absolutely no no interest in reproduction,

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<v Speaker 6>in any of that. They're they're you know, even their

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<v Speaker 6>their organ systems that are that they're not using shrink.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, they're they're hardly you would hardly even find them,

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<v Speaker 6>if you you know, when.

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<v Speaker 2>You say that hurts me to hear you say that.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, I understand that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but that's the way it is for a bird.

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<v Speaker 6>And so so comes spring, you know, come late winter spring,

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<v Speaker 6>the hormones start flowing, and uh and there you go.

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<v Speaker 6>You're you just got to get out there and establish

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<v Speaker 6>a territory. So that when the when the females come around,

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<v Speaker 6>you can you can impress her with your territory and

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<v Speaker 6>impress her with the sounds that you make.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So, so why cars, why mirrors, why windshields, what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on there?

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<v Speaker 6>It's because it's because birds don't really see mirrors or windows.

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<v Speaker 6>They see themselves. If there's you know, if there's a

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<v Speaker 6>if there's enough dark behind a window, and or if

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<v Speaker 6>it's a mirror, they will see them. They will see

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<v Speaker 6>another They don't see themselves. I apologize for that. They

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<v Speaker 6>don't see themselves. They see another bird. So when he's

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<v Speaker 6>establishing a territory, when he's establishing a territory, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>want that other bird.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So they actually in actuality see themselves, but they

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<v Speaker 2>see what they think inaccurately is it another bird. And

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<v Speaker 2>they peck away and they have powerful little beaks. I've well,

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<v Speaker 2>I've had I had a woodpecker. I had a woodpecker

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<v Speaker 2>who was pecking the heck out of my house and

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<v Speaker 2>I would hear him. We live in an older home. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was he just loved to peck away. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>told that the woodpecker was looking for Oh i guess

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of little bugs or something that might have

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<v Speaker 6>That's a myth. That's a myth. He was pecking, he

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<v Speaker 6>was practicing. That was that was probably in the fall,

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<v Speaker 6>more likely than in the spring.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it was that. I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>the spring. That I could be wrong on that when

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<v Speaker 2>it was a couple of years ago. And so he

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<v Speaker 2>was practiced on my house.

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<v Speaker 6>Correct, Is it a dark house.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's a more of a light gray, to

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<v Speaker 6>Well there you go, but yeah, no they're not. They're

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<v Speaker 6>rarely if they really aren't looking for bugs. It's no

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<v Speaker 6>sign that there are bugs under your shingles or your

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<v Speaker 6>collapse or any of that. It's just that they're just

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<v Speaker 6>it's usually young ones, you know, that are practicing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I had another woodpecker who for some reason

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<v Speaker 2>was interested in hitting the flashing around the chimney, which

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<v Speaker 2>to me so yeah, unsatisfying. And I would hear a

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<v Speaker 2>very different sound on a different side of the house.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm convinced he was going after the flashing around

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<v Speaker 2>the chimney. Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 6>He may have just been making He may have liked

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<v Speaker 6>it because of the quality of the sound that he made.

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<v Speaker 6>I once lived I once lived in a house that

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<v Speaker 6>was near a street sign, you know, a metal street sign,

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<v Speaker 6>and a woodpecker discovered that street sign and used that

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<v Speaker 6>to drum on because it was really impressed. The noise

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<v Speaker 6>was very different and very loud.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So name have they named the woodpecker in Rockport

435
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<v Speaker 2>with a name like creative, like Rocky or something like.

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<v Speaker 6>That, Not that I've heard. I haven't heard any creative names.

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<v Speaker 6>I've heard some. I've heard some referrals that we we

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<v Speaker 6>can't say.

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<v Speaker 3>On the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I know exactly those words absolutely. George Carlin mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>those words on several occasions that we're not allowed to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that. So what is the latest status on this?

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<v Speaker 2>Has this woodpecker moved on? Is he still uh pecking

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<v Speaker 2>up there?

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<v Speaker 6>As long as I know he's still around, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if he's still having as much impact

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<v Speaker 6>because I believe and and uh. John Herbert, our chief

448
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<v Speaker 6>bird person, was interviewed earlier in the week, and he's

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<v Speaker 6>convinced it's just one male who has just discovered this

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<v Speaker 6>and it's and it appiliated. Woodpeckers are huge and that's

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<v Speaker 6>why he can break the mirrors because he don't.

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<v Speaker 2>This This is a word that struck me. It was

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<v Speaker 2>interesting you just used the word affiliated.

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<v Speaker 6>Was that the word affiliated? P I L E A

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<v Speaker 6>T ed. That's the name of this particular that's the species,

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<v Speaker 6>that's the that's the English name, the common name of

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<v Speaker 6>this species of woodpecker.

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<v Speaker 2>Which derivation if you know of piliated, because they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also fascinated by words.

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<v Speaker 6>I am too, But you know, I've never looked affiliated

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<v Speaker 6>and some people say piliated. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's okay. The next time that we talk, I

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<v Speaker 2>will have figured that word out one one way or

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<v Speaker 2>the other. Do we have do we have account at

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<v Speaker 2>this point?

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<v Speaker 3>I e.

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<v Speaker 2>X numbers of mirrors or x numbers of windshields?

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<v Speaker 5>I heard.

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<v Speaker 6>The numbers that I have heard, which I have not verified,

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<v Speaker 6>are one wind she field or or possibly one window

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<v Speaker 6>like a bat maybe even a back window, a rear windshield.

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<v Speaker 6>And then maybe more than a dozen, but less than

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<v Speaker 6>two dozen mirrors. And the recommendation. And I think what

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<v Speaker 6>a number of people have done who live in the

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<v Speaker 6>immediate area is they put bags over their side of

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<v Speaker 6>their side mirrors.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I've seen that. I've seen that. Will they come

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<v Speaker 2>a point in time where that woodpecker will discover that

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<v Speaker 2>they're a female woodpeckers in the area, and he will

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<v Speaker 2>lose his interest in trying. He will focus his his

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<v Speaker 2>correct his prowess, if you will.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, he will this This will last at the most

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<v Speaker 6>a few weeks. I would, I mean it should you know? Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 6>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>How long do woodpeckers live? What's their life? Expect their life?

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<v Speaker 6>That's a good question, I you know, but yeah, will

487
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<v Speaker 6>he come back next year? No, he will soon move

488
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<v Speaker 6>on to uh to to actually nesting and and uh

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<v Speaker 6>and and and getting it finding himself a female woodpecker

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<v Speaker 6>to uh to set up, to set up housing with.

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<v Speaker 2>But he he could still be around next year, is

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<v Speaker 2>the point. I mean, it's you know, he.

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<v Speaker 6>Could yeah, yeah, come back.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, well that is good to know. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny in the wintertime. In the wintertime, on the

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<v Speaker 2>like a cold, brisk, clear day where I live, we

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<v Speaker 2>have some trees, uh and tall trees, and on one

498
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<v Speaker 2>of those days when the snow crunches under your feet

499
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<v Speaker 2>and it's the nature is still, I can hear someone,

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<v Speaker 2>I can hear a woodpecker, and from I know, he's

501
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<v Speaker 2>not near, but he sounds like he's in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the tree above. And they're a beautiful they make a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful sound. Again, it like if you pick, just pick

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<v Speaker 2>a date January ninth of any winter, if it's a clear, crisp, cool,

505
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<v Speaker 2>cold day, and if you listen, you'll be able to

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<v Speaker 2>hear a woodpecker if you live anywhere in New England.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, I really enjoyed this conversation.

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<v Speaker 6>Good for you, I enjoyed it. Also, Thank you Dan,

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<v Speaker 6>and good for you for listening for those woodpeckers. They're important,

510
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<v Speaker 6>they're important birds.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, if well, woody woodpecker. I grew up with

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<v Speaker 2>the cartoon characters.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, how can folks get more information from mass Audubon,

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<v Speaker 2>since you've been kind enough to spend some time with

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<v Speaker 2>us tonight.

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<v Speaker 6>More information on woodpeckers for mass Audubon, I would more.

518
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<v Speaker 2>Into the website, more information about mass audible. Maybe there's

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<v Speaker 2>some people.

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<v Speaker 6>Who would like more information about mass Audubon. Absolutely, the

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<v Speaker 6>mass audubon dot org. You know, just go there and

522
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<v Speaker 6>we have all kinds of things to find out. They're

523
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<v Speaker 6>more information. Perfect ways you can help ways you can

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<v Speaker 6>help woodpeckers, even if they do even if they do

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<v Speaker 6>attack your car.

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing what I say is, if there is

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<v Speaker 2>a woodpecker that is pecking on your your side mirror

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<v Speaker 2>of your car, don't make the mistake of grabbing a

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<v Speaker 2>gun and trying to shoot the woodpecker because yeah, getting

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<v Speaker 2>the way well, well not only get would you get

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble. The woodpecker might might might get hit, but

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<v Speaker 2>your car would get hit. So that's the one thing

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<v Speaker 2>I would advise people. And I'm not a naturalistic, not

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<v Speaker 2>an expert in this area, but I think that that

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<v Speaker 2>advice is solid advice. Would you agree, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I totally agree with you. Dan, Absolutely, you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, Ah, we get back. Thanks for talking again. Mass

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<v Speaker 2>Audubon dot org a great organization. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about a very interesting study that says eighty two percent

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<v Speaker 2>of working women women in the workforce change their speaking

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<v Speaker 2>style while they're on the clock. We'll find out right

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<v Speaker 2>after this one Night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're joined by Suzanne Castle. She is a leadership expert

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<v Speaker 2>who helps women entrepreneurs. Susanne Castle Welcome to Nightside. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm fadulous. Thanks for having me this evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Always love to speak to fabulous people. You have. Going

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<v Speaker 2>to comment on a study that says eighty two percent

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<v Speaker 2>of women in the workforce change their speaking style when

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<v Speaker 2>they're on the clock. Fascinating statistic, fascinating study. Don't know

552
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<v Speaker 2>how it was conducted, but tell us what it means.

553
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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to the bottom line first and then we

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<v Speaker 2>can work our way backwards. I'm kind of surprised from that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've worked with a lot of women in television and

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<v Speaker 2>radio O for a long career, and I've known most

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<v Speaker 2>of them on and off the job. Is this a

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<v Speaker 2>new phenomenon or is this something that has been around forever.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, it's definitely not a fresh phenomenon. But the emotional

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<v Speaker 7>cost is real. In fact, there was a study done

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<v Speaker 7>in the Journal of Applied Psychology a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's called code switching, and what they found is

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<v Speaker 7>it has cognitive and emotional costs because when a person

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<v Speaker 7>feels like they can't be themselves or talk like they

565
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<v Speaker 7>want you, whether they're having to mask their emotions, it

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<v Speaker 7>leads to emotional exhaustion. And lower job satisfaction and greater burnout.

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<v Speaker 7>And like you know, as you've worked with a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of women, if you want them to be at their

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<v Speaker 7>peak performance and be their brilliant selves, then you want

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<v Speaker 7>them to be themselves, no question.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in the business for fifty well close to

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<v Speaker 2>fifty years thirty one years. Is an on air television

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<v Speaker 2>reporter with the CBS affiliate here in Boston, WBZ, and

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<v Speaker 2>now working originally for w for CBS Radio at WBZ

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<v Speaker 2>now iHeart. We're in iHeart Media station. And I have

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<v Speaker 2>known dozens of women, and there are certain times when

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<v Speaker 2>I think everyone in the workplace will probably tighten up

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit when the boss walks down on a

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<v Speaker 2>Monday morning. You know, instead of hey, how you doing,

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<v Speaker 2>good morning, maybe everybody's gonna say good morning, sir, how

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<v Speaker 2>are you today, and all of that sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>take on the more precise intonations if you will. I

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<v Speaker 2>work in a business where speaking is very important. Working

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<v Speaker 2>in radio, it's all My entire presentation is now audio.

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<v Speaker 2>It used to be obviously visual and audio. And I

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<v Speaker 2>will tell you that when I started in this business

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<v Speaker 2>a long time ago, I made a conscious effort you

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<v Speaker 2>heard I said effort to get rid of my New

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<v Speaker 2>England and Boston accent because I had grown up here.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've, i guess, made a conscious effort to change

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<v Speaker 2>my way of speaking, but it's because of what I

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<v Speaker 2>do for a living. This is a survey of women

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<v Speaker 2>in a variety of jobs, from I'm sure CEOs right

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<v Speaker 2>down to women who are starting their careers. Has there

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<v Speaker 2>ever been a study of men in the workforce on

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<v Speaker 2>this issue, because that would be an interesting statistic to compare.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it would be an interesting statistic to compare.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't have that in front of me if it

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<v Speaker 7>has been done. And I think you're onto something when

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<v Speaker 7>you say there is a professionalism tone that we carry

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<v Speaker 7>with us, right, And I don't think it's necessarily that

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<v Speaker 7>women are being reckless. I think it's about giving women

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<v Speaker 7>the same emotional freedom to lead with edge or passion

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<v Speaker 7>or authority without being punished for it. So an example

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<v Speaker 7>that I give is, let's say that in a meeting

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<v Speaker 7>there's a lot of ideas flying around, and a man

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<v Speaker 7>might swear because he's very passionate about that, and he

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<v Speaker 7>gets a lot of head nods, and a woman does

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<v Speaker 7>it and suddenly she's unprofessional, right, So same words, but

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<v Speaker 7>there's different consequences. And so I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>what the study gets at is that professionalism should just

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<v Speaker 7>be consistent across the board. So it shouldn't be about

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<v Speaker 7>the man gets a head nod and the woman now

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<v Speaker 7>seems unprofessional. Do you allow that kind of language in

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<v Speaker 7>your workplace or not? And so I think that's where

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<v Speaker 7>the understanding of what professionalism is or isn't is going

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<v Speaker 7>to be crucial, especially as we have Generation Z in

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<v Speaker 7>the workforce and they have had different kinds of social

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<v Speaker 7>interaction happening, and so we have to learn what does

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<v Speaker 7>it mean to communicate and how are we doing it

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<v Speaker 7>at a level where everyone feels like they're unequal footing.

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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you I've worked in television in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies and eighties and a big market Boston, and

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<v Speaker 2>I got to tie you back at those days had

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<v Speaker 2>a rough time because the language that was used. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a different world of people, both men and

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<v Speaker 2>women smoked, for example, you will not see that today

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<v Speaker 2>in a television news room. The old image of people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, chain smoking as they read the newscast, or

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<v Speaker 2>even chain smoking, so they could get their voices to

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<v Speaker 2>be a little deeper and more more more tonality in

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<v Speaker 2>their voice. Today, it is a very different workplace, at

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<v Speaker 2>least in my business, which is the media, and it

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<v Speaker 2>has been that way for a number of years. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the I guess stupidity that men were willing

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<v Speaker 2>to engage in in terms of telling jokes irrespective of

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<v Speaker 2>who was present. That just doesn't fly anymore. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that those are the changes in the workplace that that

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<v Speaker 2>I have seen of the years, and it's I just

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<v Speaker 2>I hope someone does this study of men as well,

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<v Speaker 2>because this would be a shame if women, that high

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<v Speaker 2>percentage of women feel they have to somehow change their

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<v Speaker 2>presentation in order to be more accepted in the workplace.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what would bother me the most.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, you know, from a neuroscience standpoint, self monitoring, think

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<v Speaker 7>about that all day long. All it does is overload

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<v Speaker 7>your prefrontal cortex. And so when you're in that mode,

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<v Speaker 7>you're in burnout mode, you're in doubt mode, you shut down,

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<v Speaker 7>you can't make decisions as effectively as you could. And

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<v Speaker 7>so what I find really wild here in this discussion

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<v Speaker 7>that we're having is that these women that answered in

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<v Speaker 7>this study aren't just doing the job. They are assuming

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<v Speaker 7>or they're feeling like they have to manage their voice

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<v Speaker 7>and their face and their tone and their outfit and

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<v Speaker 7>their volume. And so that's an emotional labor piece, and

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<v Speaker 7>I do think it's straining leadership capacity. Now do men

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<v Speaker 7>feel the same way. I don't know, because the staid

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<v Speaker 7>you didn't talk about that, But it really is interesting

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<v Speaker 7>to me that we don't want to dim down any

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<v Speaker 7>kind of leadership, right, and that kind of leadership isn't

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<v Speaker 7>sustainable and it sure isn't strategic. And so I really

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<v Speaker 7>think that coach switching does have this kind of cognitive

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<v Speaker 7>and emotional cost to it. And I hope that really

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<v Speaker 7>environments choose to level up rather than ask anyone to,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, really dumb down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'll also tell you that in my career,

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<v Speaker 2>and primarily talking about my career in television, the most

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<v Speaker 2>effective leaders that I had bosses were often women. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe television news was ahead of the

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<v Speaker 2>curve in the workplace. Never never worked in a factory,

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<v Speaker 2>never worked in an office setting. I remember when I

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<v Speaker 2>first started working as a lawyer, the lawyer who was

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<v Speaker 2>training me I graduated from law school and was working

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<v Speaker 2>with a group of attorneys. One of the first things

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<v Speaker 2>that my dear friend John Ducas did was he called

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<v Speaker 2>me the officers, Dan, Now, one thing you have to

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<v Speaker 2>do is dictate your letters to miss Linda. And when

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<v Speaker 2>he left the room, I said, Linda, I type, really well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll put your initials down to the corner. And it

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<v Speaker 2>used to drive my boss crazy because we'd go in

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<v Speaker 2>the conference room and he could tell I wasn't dictating.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, we're just having a little chat and

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<v Speaker 2>conversation and I would say, this is little letter that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sending, make sure this goes out, whatever. But I

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<v Speaker 2>just felt really uncomfortable sitting there dictating in what was

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<v Speaker 2>common in law offices back in the nineteen seventies to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who was just going to sit there and be

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<v Speaker 2>in effect with a stenographer Amanu Wency's maybe it may

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<v Speaker 2>be uncomfortable anyway. Anyway, thank you for this information. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>have to look at it. When you get that report

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<v Speaker 2>on working men, come on back and let's see, let's

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<v Speaker 2>see how close the numbers are. Okay, thanks Suzie.

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<v Speaker 7>I would love to do that. Thanks for having me tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we come back. We are going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about a student questionnaire, a middle school student questionnaire in

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<v Speaker 2>the town of Burlington that has royal parents up there

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<v Speaker 2>waiting to hear about this questionnaire for kids in the sixth, seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>and eighth grade. Whoa back on Night's side right after

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<v Speaker 2>the nine o'clock news