Speaker 1: Any quick predictions Dared Devil moments, people are going to die,
you're looking forward to that starts next Tuesday. I asked us,
where are you feeling on Dared Devil?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe it starty next Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, five days now.
Speaker 2: Uh well, that's a shock.
Speaker 3: Even though I feel like you just told me this
like less than a week ago, and I said the
exact same thing. I'm like, I can't believe it's coming
so fast Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I am excited for it tonight. What can't be.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited for it.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm I'm just peeking on this universe,
even though I'm not like rewatching Dared Devil. I feel
like Punishers kind of an adjacent you know, like some
crossover characters.
Speaker 2: Turk was in the season of.
Speaker 1: Characters. You better be in this season born again.
Speaker 2: You know that'd be cool. That'd be cool for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think Fisk is going to be
the mayor anyway.
Speaker 2: That'll be my starting prediction.
Speaker 1: So I guess with what I can expand upon that.
Do you think he dies jail Lee's Country? What do
you think?
Speaker 2: I think he's doing stuff. I think he's like preoccupied.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think like even if he like lost his mayorship,
I don't think he's like down and out and like defeated, Like,
oh man, how am I ever going to get back
on my toes again? Like it's like a move, like
he's not the mayor because he's got he's got to
do kind of other things or maybe whatever.
Speaker 2: Like like I I.
Speaker 3: I think he kind of has his finger on the
pulse anyways with the managing of I mean he always does.
He's the kingpin, right, like, even even if he's not
the mayor, he's still like pulling the strings, it seems
for the majority of the city.
Speaker 1: But had problems before, you know, sometimes you think his
plans are too big.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, at least like the way that it's executed.
I've had some issues with it. But I mean I
still love the Vincent Donafrio or however he's saying his
name these days. But so yeah, I'm so excited to
just see kind of what he's unraveling.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Vanessa, there you go.
Speaker 1: That's so she get any more hands from different guys
in the season.
Speaker 3: I myself for Adam, I don't know, I don't think
they'll find a new Adam for her. But yeah, I'm
just curious to see what's going on with those two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think fisk will I guess it's tied together.
There is a story arc I can't remember what the
technical name of it, but it's one of the best
story arcs ever. I'm really hoping that Matt Murdoch ends
up in prison at the end of season because I
think there's so much juice for to imagine you, as
Daredevil get any exposed and then you go to prison
with all those people he helped fucking put away and
what I would say, though I would love him and
Fists to be in there together. I don't know how
you get there because in that storyline, fisk is not
in there with them as far as I can remember,
so that's not in the comic books. I'm just thinking
of way how you can get rid of fib Mayor.
Don't think he should ever kill fisk Off. He should
either be in a coma away or in prison. Think
you should always seem there's a bad thing until they
ever go. Like if they were to say, hey, Secret
Wars is the full reset and we aren't doing anything
more with Fit like this version of Phisican then and
Matt than sure, you can kill him off, but right now,
I think you always gotta keep him around because he's
a great character. That's why I'd love is for them
both to end up in prison, and especially Matt. I
would love Matt to end up in prison. And there's
other heroes coming back. You have Jessa Jones. I feel
like we're gonna see other Netflix characters. I'd love to
see Turk, but I could see maybe get Luke Cage. Maybe.
I think Luke Cage is more likely because you've got
Jessica Jones in there. But I'm very excited to see
Christian Ritchard Jessica Jones back. I love that first season,
but that shows very rocky, but she's never rocky. She's
one of the best castings they did in that era,
and I guess I actually say, like probably the second
best next to or it's sounding bad, it's probably fourth
best now because I feel like it's like Berthall Donofrio
Cox then her. But so she's in the Mount Rushmore,
That's what I'll say, right and I'll still say she's
want the best moral castings, So I'm interesting what they
do with her and if they spin on her off
to something. But that's why I would like Matt. I'd
like him to uh to end up in prison and
maybe doing something a little bit different. I'm not looking
too forward to him and Karen because I'm not Karen
and Matt TV show shipper. I'm a Punisher and Karen
TV show shipper. But uh, you know, we'll see what happens.
Do you think, because people speculate this is Foggy he's
back in the season right now just flashbacks, do you
think he stays dead or is there a is there
a way back for him?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Sorry, they showed him in the street. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's They've prefer those back for flashbacks. But some
people go like, oh, are they just because there's one
story in the com books where they did fake Foggy's death.
So because remember we talked about in the reviews that
can't Yeah, so do you think they'll go with that route?
Do you think they're gonna keep him dead?
Speaker 2: I can see both avenues.
Speaker 3: I personally hope they keep them dead, and I am
gonna lean that way with my prediction as well. I
think flashbacks is totally fine, especially when Matts down and
out and you can have like little inner dialogue with Foggy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just bring him back.
Speaker 3: It just seems like a lazy way to just to
just yeah, well we kind of reckon our idea. We
don't actually want to kill him off, so we're just
going to bring him back. And even if there was
a comic book version of that, I just don't think
it fits for how they executed the whole Foggy death
from the from the previous season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's for me, it's a double where I don't
I'm not the biggest fan of that Foggy characters. Fine,
if he dies and we got a lot of characters
going on, right, if they're going to bring back I
think they bring They're bringing back one of the cops.
I can't remember his name from the Daredevil show, so
the one that always helped like Matt Foggy, So he's back.
You got Cherry, you're gonna have Jessica Jones. So I'm cope.
Other than flashbacks, even if they want to make him
like the hairy to his dexter, like, sure, if you
have Foggy Nelson give him advice that way. Sure, I
don't want too much of it, but I don't really
want that flashback. Okay, let's do that and then where
it is you can reminiss about him. What about your
boy here? You know? So I see and I got
to warn you because I and I fucking call this
in the finale and I called this another time too,
And the show winner's even talked about it that he's
on like he's trying to do a redemption arc like
Bullseye is like to himself, like they're saying it's very
like Rocky. But I said the way when he went
back to fucking Nelson Murdoch and he just like was
all moping, like, oh my god, they're trying to make
this guy like have a babyface term and I don't.
I actually don't know how I feel about that. I
don't mind him and Daredevil working together because they have to.
I don't know if I ever really want him like
with the good guys. I don't think he can even
buddy up with them because like he killed Foggy, right,
So I don't want everyone to see that, but I
just I would rather him just be the chast I
love Bullseye. I'm a big bull Eye defender. I think
this is a great adaptation of him. I think Wilson
Bethel does an amazing job, something like a hater like Kirkland.
But I don't want a moment where it's like I
forgive you bulls Like I don't ever want that. And
there's definitely a scene in one of those trailers where
he's like picking bulls Eye up like they like link arms,
and he pulls him up. So I I don't know.
I I hope, I hope that's handled well. But I
am very excited to see bulls Eye again. I just
that's gonna be an interesting plot throw to pull on. So,
how how you feel about your favorite spoon thrower?
Speaker 3: Man? It's so funny, especially you know, I'm fresh off
season two Punish Her.
Speaker 2: This character and Billy Russo are like very similar of
a tear for me. You know.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Jigsaw on season two? Huh?
Speaker 2: Tune in for episode He fucking sucks.
Speaker 1: He sucks the Big One man, be like, yeah, I
think when this is over, I'm gonna put this show over. Dared.
I'm like, yeah, I just wait for season two, like like,
I know you're gonna get to it. But the fact
that I did this whole build up and then what
they do. Frank just walks up too when he's down,
out shoots him and then walks away. No, no, no converronation, no,
nothing like jig saw some the biggest one. But I'm saying,
have you we didn't talk this in the retro. Have
you ever seen Parish or war Zone?
Speaker 2: Never?
Speaker 1: Okay, Jigsaw is the bad guy. Okay, nice, so it'll
be fun for you to compare. But yeah, man, I just.
Speaker 2: It is still like Billy Russo.
Speaker 1: Like, no, the Netflix version completely different origins. He's just
like a moobster and that they gave this whole like
he's the friend of Frank and the family and all
that stuff. And it sucks because I like that guy
who plays on the Netflix show. But that season two stuff,
it's just like and we're there he and he's a
he's saying, am anachistic, right, He's all into the sex
with like touching awi's and everything like that and bruises.
Speaker 2: It's therapist for sure.
Speaker 1: That was like we got thirteen episodes. When do we
do with Billy this year?
Speaker 2: Anyways? Why was I talking to a Billy? Oh? Yeah,
because fucking Bullseye. Yeah, I don't love the character. I don't.
Speaker 3: I definitely don't love if we're gonna try and do
some sort of redemption thing, I I hope he's just
used as a tool to like things out of out
of Matt, whether it's emotion or just just I don't know,
just just make Matt question his own religion. I mean,
he's had to do that a couple times throughout the show,
so it might just be rehashing what we've kind of
already seen before. I don't want to just say that
I'll never not hate this guy, but like, it's just
it's just a goofy character to me.
Speaker 1: And the redemption will be for you this year. Maybe
it'll be on band, it could be.
Speaker 2: I obviously won't knock it till I till I try it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, well we'll see. Hopefully it's it's used
to a lesser degree for my own sake.
Speaker 1: And I said that I'm hoping Matt ends in prison
something like that. Where do you because they're already filming
season three in March, where you answered for Fisk, where
do you think Matt ends up? It's just be the
bad Yeah? Do you think they just be the bad guys?
And okay on to season three, new new team, or
you think it is a good even then do you
think it's like a soul ending to these stories or
you think it's a cliffhanger of some sort.
Speaker 3: I think it's definitely leading somewhere. I don't think it'll
be like a closing of the book like Super just yeah,
his story's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna be really like focusing on
the law stuff, like it'll be more to the Daredevil side.
Don't really have like a thought of like what that
would be setting up, like if he's just focusing more
on the Daredevil stuff.
Speaker 2: But that's I don't know. It just seems like we've
done a lot of the lawyer things and.
Speaker 3: I don't know it's It's not a not a weighted
weighted guess, but that's my prediction.
Speaker 1: Do you think him and Karen are still together by
the end of the season.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I kind of forgot that was the thing until
you reminded me. Yeah, when we brought this up, Yeah,
I could. I don't think Karen's gonna die or anything
like that.
Speaker 2: So it just seems like the easy, easy thing to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think they're like together together now, Like,
why else would you put like if the season's starting
their dance sing and they're kissing, when you kind of
have this season end with them and in the next season.
So it's like I feel like, like what, Like, I
guess the only thing is and that's why I guess
I gotta ask you. The only thing I think you
could set up is the reason they're together, so we
can fucking kill her. I think with Foggy just dying,
I don't think you do that. I think you could
have her death in the future, but it won't feel
maybe redundant. But I just like almost two samesies, you know,
like so much. And I also feel like for the
people that did really like Foggy, I think you and
me are kind of like all right on Foggy, But
the people that love Foggy, I think those same people
love Karen. And I feel like those og Netflix stands
would feel really disenfranchised with the show. Is if like
you killed Foggy and then the next season you killed Karen.
I think it would be I think they'd just be
a group like I wouldn't person. And I don't get wrong,
I like Karen. I don't think you should kill her off.
I'm interested in the dynamic and sure this is they've
never really fully like had to go right because when
they dated in season two, Electric came to town and
that was all fucked up. So like that was they
had like two episodes where we Careen and Matt were
happy and then all went to shit, right, and even
then they're not gonna be happy. They're on the run.
I don't think. I think I've said this many times.
I still fucking love all this black suit Dared all
this stuff I'm seeing looks great. But yeah, I think
I think that's why I think my drama is if
it's Matt somewhere else or in prison, that's where it's like,
oh they're happy together, but they're split apart like something
like that. That's where I think it could go where.
I just don't think this season, I don't see it
ending with like Fisca's behind bars and now we're buying
a house and and Matt I'm pregnant. Like, I just
don't think that's the dared A way. I think stories
canna end, but there's always like, uh, Matt Sills this
fucking shit to deal with, you know, like there's never
he can never get that happy ending, especially if they're
already they plan to shoot a season three. I think
they said in May. I'm not saying it's a cliff air.
I just think they know that, Okay, we kind of
have an idea of where we might want to go
with some of these characters. So yeah, we'll see. I'm
very I'm I'm pretty excited. Some of the early reactions
have got me a bit more excited, but I want
to wait till actual reviews come out. They come out
the day of which I didn't love, but I'm hoping
that the stuff that I did love last year or
the last season is the majority this season, because obviously
we talked about a million times that season was very messy,
and for me, there was a couple of episodes that
were close to fail, whether it was just the lack
of excitement with that episode at execution and especially some
of those characters. I'll still never forgive Matt Murder for
exposing fucking white tiger in a courtroom to everybody, like
what a fucking piece of shit, man, Like, there's stuff
that did happen in that show where it's like that
really hurt some things going forward, but I hope that
it is uh one of the better seasons and uh yeah,
I hopefully went from their mistakes. So all right, finally, Kirkland,
let's do this. I'm sorry that took a longer, but
you know, blamespier Man, you know, thank god this was
on a four man panel. We've being only an eight
hour cast right now, Okay, I'm gonna do this quickly
because I didn't want to, but I