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Speaker 1: Any quick predictions Dared Devil moments, people are going to die,

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you're looking forward to that starts next Tuesday. I asked us,

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where are you feeling on Dared Devil?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe it starty next Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, five days now.

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Speaker 2: Uh well, that's a shock.

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Speaker 3: Even though I feel like you just told me this

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like less than a week ago, and I said the

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exact same thing. I'm like, I can't believe it's coming

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so fast Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: I am excited for it tonight. What can't be.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited for it.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm I'm just peeking on this universe,

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even though I'm not like rewatching Dared Devil. I feel

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like Punishers kind of an adjacent you know, like some

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crossover characters.

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Speaker 2: Turk was in the season of.

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Speaker 1: Characters. You better be in this season born again.

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Speaker 2: You know that'd be cool. That'd be cool for sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think Fisk is going to be

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the mayor anyway.

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Speaker 2: That'll be my starting prediction.

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Speaker 1: So I guess with what I can expand upon that.

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Do you think he dies jail Lee's Country? What do

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you think?

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Speaker 2: I think he's doing stuff. I think he's like preoccupied.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't think like even if he like lost his mayorship,

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I don't think he's like down and out and like defeated, Like,

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oh man, how am I ever going to get back

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on my toes again? Like it's like a move, like

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he's not the mayor because he's got he's got to

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do kind of other things or maybe whatever.

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Speaker 2: Like like I I.

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Speaker 3: I think he kind of has his finger on the

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pulse anyways with the managing of I mean he always does.

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He's the kingpin, right, like, even even if he's not

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the mayor, he's still like pulling the strings, it seems

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for the majority of the city.

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Speaker 1: But had problems before, you know, sometimes you think his

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plans are too big.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, at least like the way that it's executed.

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I've had some issues with it. But I mean I

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still love the Vincent Donafrio or however he's saying his

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name these days. But so yeah, I'm so excited to

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just see kind of what he's unraveling.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Vanessa, there you go.

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Speaker 1: That's so she get any more hands from different guys

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in the season.

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Speaker 3: I myself for Adam, I don't know, I don't think

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they'll find a new Adam for her. But yeah, I'm

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just curious to see what's going on with those two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think fisk will I guess it's tied together.

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There is a story arc I can't remember what the

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technical name of it, but it's one of the best

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story arcs ever. I'm really hoping that Matt Murdoch ends

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up in prison at the end of season because I

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think there's so much juice for to imagine you, as

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Daredevil get any exposed and then you go to prison

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with all those people he helped fucking put away and

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what I would say, though I would love him and

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Fists to be in there together. I don't know how

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you get there because in that storyline, fisk is not

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in there with them as far as I can remember,

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so that's not in the comic books. I'm just thinking

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of way how you can get rid of fib Mayor.

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Don't think he should ever kill fisk Off. He should

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either be in a coma away or in prison. Think

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you should always seem there's a bad thing until they

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ever go. Like if they were to say, hey, Secret

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Wars is the full reset and we aren't doing anything

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more with Fit like this version of Phisican then and

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Matt than sure, you can kill him off, but right now,

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I think you always gotta keep him around because he's

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a great character. That's why I'd love is for them

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both to end up in prison, and especially Matt. I

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would love Matt to end up in prison. And there's

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other heroes coming back. You have Jessa Jones. I feel

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like we're gonna see other Netflix characters. I'd love to

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see Turk, but I could see maybe get Luke Cage. Maybe.

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I think Luke Cage is more likely because you've got

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Jessica Jones in there. But I'm very excited to see

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Christian Ritchard Jessica Jones back. I love that first season,

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but that shows very rocky, but she's never rocky. She's

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one of the best castings they did in that era,

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and I guess I actually say, like probably the second

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best next to or it's sounding bad, it's probably fourth

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best now because I feel like it's like Berthall Donofrio

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Cox then her. But so she's in the Mount Rushmore,

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That's what I'll say, right and I'll still say she's

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want the best moral castings, So I'm interesting what they

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do with her and if they spin on her off

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to something. But that's why I would like Matt. I'd

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like him to uh to end up in prison and

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maybe doing something a little bit different. I'm not looking

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too forward to him and Karen because I'm not Karen

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and Matt TV show shipper. I'm a Punisher and Karen

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TV show shipper. But uh, you know, we'll see what happens.

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Do you think, because people speculate this is Foggy he's

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back in the season right now just flashbacks, do you

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think he stays dead or is there a is there

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a way back for him?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, they showed him in the street. I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's They've prefer those back for flashbacks. But some

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people go like, oh, are they just because there's one

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story in the com books where they did fake Foggy's death.

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can't Yeah, so do you think they'll go with that route?

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Do you think they're gonna keep him dead?

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Speaker 2: I can see both avenues.

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Speaker 3: I personally hope they keep them dead, and I am

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gonna lean that way with my prediction as well. I

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think flashbacks is totally fine, especially when Matts down and

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out and you can have like little inner dialogue with Foggy.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I just bring him back.

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Speaker 3: It just seems like a lazy way to just to

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just yeah, well we kind of reckon our idea. We

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don't actually want to kill him off, so we're just

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going to bring him back. And even if there was

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a comic book version of that, I just don't think

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it fits for how they executed the whole Foggy death

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from the from the previous season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's for me, it's a double where I don't

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I'm not the biggest fan of that Foggy characters. Fine,

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if he dies and we got a lot of characters

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going on, right, if they're going to bring back I

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think they bring They're bringing back one of the cops.

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I can't remember his name from the Daredevil show, so

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the one that always helped like Matt Foggy, So he's back.

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You got Cherry, you're gonna have Jessica Jones. So I'm cope.

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Other than flashbacks, even if they want to make him

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like the hairy to his dexter, like, sure, if you

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have Foggy Nelson give him advice that way. Sure, I

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don't want too much of it, but I don't really

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want that flashback. Okay, let's do that and then where

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it is you can reminiss about him. What about your

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boy here? You know? So I see and I got

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to warn you because I and I fucking call this

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in the finale and I called this another time too,

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And the show winner's even talked about it that he's

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on like he's trying to do a redemption arc like

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Bullseye is like to himself, like they're saying it's very

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like Rocky. But I said the way when he went

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back to fucking Nelson Murdoch and he just like was

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all moping, like, oh my god, they're trying to make

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this guy like have a babyface term and I don't.

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I actually don't know how I feel about that. I

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don't mind him and Daredevil working together because they have to.

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I don't know if I ever really want him like

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with the good guys. I don't think he can even

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buddy up with them because like he killed Foggy, right,

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So I don't want everyone to see that, but I

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just I would rather him just be the chast I

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love Bullseye. I'm a big bull Eye defender. I think

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this is a great adaptation of him. I think Wilson

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Bethel does an amazing job, something like a hater like Kirkland.

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But I don't want a moment where it's like I

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forgive you bulls Like I don't ever want that. And

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there's definitely a scene in one of those trailers where

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he's like picking bulls Eye up like they like link arms,

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and he pulls him up. So I I don't know.

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I I hope, I hope that's handled well. But I

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am very excited to see bulls Eye again. I just

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that's gonna be an interesting plot throw to pull on. So,

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how how you feel about your favorite spoon thrower?

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Speaker 3: Man? It's so funny, especially you know, I'm fresh off

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season two Punish Her.

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Speaker 2: This character and Billy Russo are like very similar of

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a tear for me. You know.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about Jigsaw on season two? Huh?

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Speaker 2: Tune in for episode He fucking sucks.

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Speaker 1: He sucks the Big One man, be like, yeah, I

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think when this is over, I'm gonna put this show over. Dared.

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I'm like, yeah, I just wait for season two, like like,

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I know you're gonna get to it. But the fact

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that I did this whole build up and then what

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they do. Frank just walks up too when he's down,

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out shoots him and then walks away. No, no, no converronation, no,

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nothing like jig saw some the biggest one. But I'm saying,

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have you we didn't talk this in the retro. Have

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you ever seen Parish or war Zone?

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Speaker 2: Never?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Jigsaw is the bad guy. Okay, nice, so it'll

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be fun for you to compare. But yeah, man, I just.

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Speaker 2: It is still like Billy Russo.

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Speaker 1: Like, no, the Netflix version completely different origins. He's just

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like a moobster and that they gave this whole like

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he's the friend of Frank and the family and all

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that stuff. And it sucks because I like that guy

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who plays on the Netflix show. But that season two stuff,

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it's just like and we're there he and he's a

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he's saying, am anachistic, right, He's all into the sex

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with like touching awi's and everything like that and bruises.

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Speaker 2: It's therapist for sure.

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Speaker 1: That was like we got thirteen episodes. When do we

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do with Billy this year?

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Speaker 2: Anyways? Why was I talking to a Billy? Oh? Yeah,

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because fucking Bullseye. Yeah, I don't love the character. I don't.

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Speaker 3: I definitely don't love if we're gonna try and do

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some sort of redemption thing, I I hope he's just

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used as a tool to like things out of out

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of Matt, whether it's emotion or just just I don't know,

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just just make Matt question his own religion. I mean,

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he's had to do that a couple times throughout the show,

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so it might just be rehashing what we've kind of

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already seen before. I don't want to just say that

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I'll never not hate this guy, but like, it's just

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it's just a goofy character to me.

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Speaker 1: And the redemption will be for you this year. Maybe

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it'll be on band, it could be.

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Speaker 2: I obviously won't knock it till I till I try it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, well we'll see. Hopefully it's it's used

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to a lesser degree for my own sake.

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Speaker 1: And I said that I'm hoping Matt ends in prison

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something like that. Where do you because they're already filming

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season three in March, where you answered for Fisk, where

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do you think Matt ends up? It's just be the

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bad Yeah? Do you think they just be the bad guys?

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And okay on to season three, new new team, or

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you think it is a good even then do you

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think it's like a soul ending to these stories or

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you think it's a cliffhanger of some sort.

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Speaker 3: I think it's definitely leading somewhere. I don't think it'll

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be like a closing of the book like Super just yeah,

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his story's done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna be really like focusing on

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the law stuff, like it'll be more to the Daredevil side.

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Don't really have like a thought of like what that

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would be setting up, like if he's just focusing more

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on the Daredevil stuff.

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Speaker 2: But that's I don't know. It just seems like we've

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done a lot of the lawyer things and.

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weighted guess, but that's my prediction.

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Speaker 1: Do you think him and Karen are still together by

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the end of the season.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I kind of forgot that was the thing until

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you reminded me. Yeah, when we brought this up, Yeah,

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I could. I don't think Karen's gonna die or anything

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like that.

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Speaker 2: So it just seems like the easy, easy thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think they're like together together now, Like,

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why else would you put like if the season's starting

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their dance sing and they're kissing, when you kind of

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have this season end with them and in the next season.

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guess the only thing is and that's why I guess

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could set up is the reason they're together, so we

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can fucking kill her. I think with Foggy just dying,

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I don't think you do that. I think you could

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have her death in the future, but it won't feel

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maybe redundant. But I just like almost two samesies, you know,

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like so much. And I also feel like for the

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people that did really like Foggy, I think you and

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me are kind of like all right on Foggy, But

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the people that love Foggy, I think those same people

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love Karen. And I feel like those og Netflix stands

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would feel really disenfranchised with the show. Is if like

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you killed Foggy and then the next season you killed Karen.

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I think it would be I think they'd just be

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a group like I wouldn't person. And I don't get wrong,

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I like Karen. I don't think you should kill her off.

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I'm interested in the dynamic and sure this is they've

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never really fully like had to go right because when

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they dated in season two, Electric came to town and

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that was all fucked up. So like that was they

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had like two episodes where we Careen and Matt were

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happy and then all went to shit, right, and even

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then they're not gonna be happy. They're on the run.

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I don't think. I think I've said this many times.

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I still fucking love all this black suit Dared all

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this stuff I'm seeing looks great. But yeah, I think

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I think that's why I think my drama is if

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it's Matt somewhere else or in prison, that's where it's like,

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oh they're happy together, but they're split apart like something

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like that. That's where I think it could go where.

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ending with like Fisca's behind bars and now we're buying

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a house and and Matt I'm pregnant. Like, I just

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don't think that's the dared A way. I think stories

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canna end, but there's always like, uh, Matt Sills this

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fucking shit to deal with, you know, like there's never

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he can never get that happy ending, especially if they're

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already they plan to shoot a season three. I think

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they said in May. I'm not saying it's a cliff air.

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I just think they know that, Okay, we kind of

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have an idea of where we might want to go

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with some of these characters. So yeah, we'll see. I'm

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very I'm I'm pretty excited. Some of the early reactions

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have got me a bit more excited, but I want

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to wait till actual reviews come out. They come out

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the day of which I didn't love, but I'm hoping

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that the stuff that I did love last year or

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the last season is the majority this season, because obviously

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we talked about a million times that season was very messy,

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and for me, there was a couple of episodes that

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were close to fail, whether it was just the lack

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of excitement with that episode at execution and especially some

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of those characters. I'll still never forgive Matt Murder for

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exposing fucking white tiger in a courtroom to everybody, like

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what a fucking piece of shit, man, Like, there's stuff

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that did happen in that show where it's like that

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really hurt some things going forward, but I hope that

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it is uh one of the better seasons and uh yeah,

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I hopefully went from their mistakes. So all right, finally, Kirkland,

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let's do this. I'm sorry that took a longer, but

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you know, blamespier Man, you know, thank god this was

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on a four man panel. We've being only an eight

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hour cast right now, Okay, I'm gonna do this quickly

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because I didn't want to, but I