WEBVTT 1 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:30.399 Welcome back, midnight viewers. Oh my god, it's Star Trek Fest. 2 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:35.119 It is the Star Trek Fest. How do we know? 3 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:36.399 Here's the trailer. 4 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:55.200 Beyond the Darkness, beyond the human evolution is Con a 5 00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:01.200 genetically superior tyrant, exiled to a barren play in it, 6 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:04.760 banished by a starship commander. He is destined to destroy. 7 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:12.480 Left for dead, he has a browed chase him around 8 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:17.319 the moose of Nibi, and round the Antaris Maelstrom, and 9 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:19.719 round Tradition's flames. 10 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:21.040 Before I gave him up. 11 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:31.120 There she is. 12 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:49.400 A s collapsing captain, a new shot sun not. 13 00:01:49.599 --> 00:02:01.319 Enough against their shields, and in three minutes we're all dead. 14 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:08.800 I've gone far worse than kill you. I've hurt you, 15 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:13.159 and I wish to go on hurting you. I shall 16 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:17.960 leave you as you left me, my room for all eternity. 17 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:21.520 Wearing a line, marrying a line. 18 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:25.280 Shine sh. 19 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:30.360 At the end of the universe lies the beginning of 20 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:37.159 Vengeance Star Trek two, The Wrath of Con. 21 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:44.840 Yes, con see, that would be the easy thing would 22 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.319 be to try to do the kind of approximation which 23 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:50.800 is the signature moment. I prefer to think of the 24 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.319 needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few 25 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:54.560 or the one. 26 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:56.680 I'm not a drama. 27 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:59.159 Critic, except of course, Happy Birthday. 28 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:01.879 Oh my god, we're just gonna spiral here. We're watching 29 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:05.280 Star Trek two. Everybody, Star Trek two, The Wrath of Khn. 30 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.560 Initial title Star Trek two Vengeance of Cohn. 31 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:11.120 That was why did change it. 32 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:15.960 Because they thought Return of the Jedi, originally titled Revenge 33 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:19.400 of the Jedi, would be too confusing for audiences, so 34 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:25.719 Vengeance became Wrath. And then years later David Fincher and 35 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:30.439 Andrew Kevin Walker would call Anger wrath for seven and 36 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:32.840 now that's all anyone thinks of in the Seven Deadly 37 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:35.319 Sins as Wrath, when initially it was all anger. 38 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:37.680 He reminded me, when I was a kid, father Malone, 39 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:40.680 it was like a Wrathfule or something Carnival that I 40 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:45.280 went to as a kid. I acquired a Star Wars poster. 41 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:48.479 It was Revenge of the Jedi. It was the original 42 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:51.000 Revenge of the Jedi poster, which would probably be worth 43 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:55.240 a ton of money now, but I was a fucking kid. 44 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:57.280 I put it up on my wall. It got all 45 00:03:57.319 --> 00:03:59.599 messed up, it ripped. I don't even know where it 46 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:00.319 is anymore. 47 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.840 I remember seeing one for sale at a Spencer's Gifts 48 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:07.439 and thinking, there's gonna be so many of them, I'll 49 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:08.120 get one later. 50 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:11.319 I wonder what they're worth now, Probably. 51 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.120 A lot, however, Star Trek two The Wrath of KHN 52 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.720 screenplay credited to the story by Harve Bennett and Jack B. 53 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:21.800 Sewards screenplay credited solely to Jack B. Sewards and directed 54 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:26.199 by Nicholas Meyer. We all know Nicholas Meyer wrote this screenplay, 55 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:31.240 starring guess who everybody, William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, DeForest, Kelly, 56 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:35.199 James Dowin, Walter Kanig, George t Kay, Nachelle Nichols, bb 57 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:39.759 besch Merritt buttrick straight from Square Pegs. Paul Winenfield is 58 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:43.240 in this movie. Kirsty Ally is in this movie, and 59 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:47.560 of course he's here to answer the question, is that 60 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:52.480 a real chest? Ricardo montalbon as I read that to 61 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:56.519 Cohn and Nudians sing yes, there is a frequent rumor 62 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:01.560 that's a molded plastic chest, whereas everyone else who was 63 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:04.079 involved with the production of the movie says, no, that's 64 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:08.040 just Ricardo Montabon, even at age sixty, was a buff 65 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:09.000 fucking dude. 66 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:13.120 I can believe it. He seemed like a very vital guy. 67 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:15.920 It never occurred to me that they would. It's not 68 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.399 as if his whole chest is bared. You only see 69 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:23.680 a little bit of his upper torso it's not like 70 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.439 he's bare chested for the whole movie or anything. 71 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:30.600 Costume designer claims they redid the costume specifically to feature 72 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.319 his chest. Now, critics are saying that the placement of 73 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:37.959 his necklace is where the seam is much like you 74 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:42.439 would see like on a drag race, for like the 75 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.399 false front with the boobies, where that you could cover 76 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.040 the neck line with a necklace or something. So they're saying, 77 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.600 from the neck up, he looks really old, and from 78 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:52.879 the neck down he looks really young, So there can't 79 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:55.639 there's a disconnect there. And I say, yeah, he's got 80 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.720 an old man head and a fucking still fit body. 81 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:01.439 Are you talking about dummies? 82 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:03.560 That's the thing I can't say. I know for sure. 83 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:06.120 I don't believe it's the case, but who the fuck cares. 84 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:09.040 It's like, it's like this dumb conspiracy theory. I don't 85 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:09.399 get it. 86 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:13.120 Star Trek was released on June the fourth, nineteen eighty two, 87 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:17.120 but the budget of twelve million went down far down 88 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:20.120 from the forty five million for Star Trek the Motion Picture, 89 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:22.519 and they have so much more to do in this 90 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:26.519 film with so much less. Nevertheless, I didn't night, well, 91 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:27.240 that's that's the. 92 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.040 Story of every Star Trek movie. Though they were already 93 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:33.639 slashing budgets. That was a common complaint even by the 94 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:37.160 time they got to Star Trek four. It was like 95 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:40.680 the uniforms were we used, the models were we used, 96 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:44.040 sets were reused. So that doesn't make any sense to me, 97 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:49.920 because Star Trek two looks so much, it's so much more. 98 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:54.199 I don't ground it. It doesn't look like they're pinching 99 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.240 pennies to make that movie. It doesn't have the ooh 100 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:01.600 and eye of the most picture, but it looks fantastic. 101 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:04.040 Even now I'm watching it, I'm thinking, this is a 102 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:05.399 great fucking looking movie. 103 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:09.319 Oh they were cost cutting and penny pinching every which away, 104 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.839 Like Carol Marcus's Space Station Regular is just the space 105 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.560 doc from Star Trek the Motion Picture turned upside down. 106 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:20.800 And I know, I think they reuse some of the 107 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:23.759 shots of the Enterprise in dry dock and all that 108 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.680 kind of stuff. It still looks great to me. It's 109 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:30.480 still again watching it again after all these years, I 110 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:33.240 was like, this looks fantastic. You could have made this 111 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:36.160 movie last year with a few exception. 112 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:38.800 HB. When's the first time you saw Star Trek to 113 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:41.560 Wrath of con Was it in the theater? By chance? 114 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:44.480 It was not in the theater. I saw it the 115 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:47.519 first time, undoubtedly would have been on cable, first run 116 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.040 on cable, which would have been made it probably either 117 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:52.240 late eighty two or eighty three more than likely. 118 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:55.199 Yeah, I did manage to see this in the theater. 119 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.399 I've seen every Star Trek film, fantrically, really Star Trek film. 120 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.279 I've seen it in the theater now. I remember it 121 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:06.639 vividly because we I was taken. This is nineteen eighty 122 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:10.279 two June. So what we're nine ten nine, we're just 123 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:15.360 nine and we went to the Low's in Summerville. My 124 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.480 cousins took me and we were going to see Star 125 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:21.639 Trek two. That's why I went with them. And Star 126 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:24.240 Trek two was sold out. So do you know what 127 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:25.360 we went to see. 128 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:28.399 In eighty two? Was it another movie or did you 129 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:29.360 sneak in or something? 130 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:31.399 It was another movie. They bought tickets for another movie. 131 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.720 They said, Star Trek two was sold out. Michael, We're 132 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:35.600 going to go see this movie instead. 133 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:38.240 Jeez, I can't think of it. What did you see instead? 134 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:39.840 Or what did you buy tickets for instead? 135 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:45.320 Polter Geist? Oh okay, yeah, yep, fucked me up, fucked 136 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:47.960 me up for years, thanks cousin. That was I was 137 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:50.320 just I just wanted to see mister Spock. Instead, I 138 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.840 had a man ripping his own face off and demons 139 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:55.559 coming out of closets. 140 00:08:55.720 --> 00:09:00.200 Skeletons, and the pool horrifying. It's still amazing. This is 141 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:01.919 me what they got away with that movie. That is 142 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:06.000 one intense picture. No Star Trek two, that's for sure. 143 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:08.399 Anyway, the next weekend I got to see Star Trek, 144 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:11.759 but still I was scarred. Anyway, Star Trek the motion 145 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:15.200 picture isn't unqualified success. They do want a sequel, but 146 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:20.639 they do not want Gene Roddenberry. So the brass at 147 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:23.279 Paramount that we're talking about, Michael Eisner and Jeffrey Katzenberg 148 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:27.360 instead turned to veteran TV producer Harve Bennett. HP, you 149 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:28.519 have something to add. 150 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.000 I was just going to say it was a financial success, 151 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.200 but critically it was not successful, and from what I've read, 152 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.200 that's the reason why they wanted to cut Roddenberry out 153 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:42.039 of it, because they wanted somebody who could actually make 154 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.879 a good picture. They didn't want the same sort of 155 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:49.279 issues to befall this picture that befell the first one. 156 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:53.000 That's definitely one of the reasons they cut out Roddenberry. 157 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:55.720 But they had done away with Roddenberry before they even 158 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:58.480 lensed Star Trek the motion picture. They had already banished 159 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.120 him to his offices and at his memos. 160 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:06.200 But which I gathered something similar happened with the Next Generation. 161 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:08.440 I don't think he was very involved in that after 162 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:13.639 the first season, and not coincidentally, that's when it became good. 163 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:17.440 I'm sorry anybody who you know is like a fanboy 164 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.759 for Roddenberry. You wouldn't have Star Trek without Roddenberry. But 165 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:23.720 I think his time had come and gone. 166 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.919 I say that he maintained control of that series until 167 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.159 the third season, and that's when that series actually became good. 168 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:32.840 And he lost control of that series not because he 169 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:34.600 was replaced, but because he died. 170 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:37.639 He was the one, by the way, and that not 171 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:39.480 that this is what we're talking about Next Generation, but 172 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:43.279 He was the one who was responsible for those terrible 173 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:45.639 uniforms that all the actors complained about in the first 174 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:50.720 couple of seasons, because his reasoning was every shot of 175 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.600 the uniform had to be perfectly wrinkle free and had 176 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:56.879 to look as sharp as could be. So they had 177 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.559 these uniforms that were one piece that had stirre ups 178 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:03.159 in the feet that would drag, that would basically pull 179 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:07.279 their shoulders down, and some of the actors actually developed 180 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:10.039 back problems as a result. So they were thrilled when 181 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:14.120 they finally moved to the really slick two piece uniforms. 182 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:17.919 The early don all the early seasons of Next Generations 183 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:21.919 seemed really awkward after after the innovation of separates. 184 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:25.039 Oh yeah, oh yeah, but you're right, it wasn't until 185 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:27.759 that third season that it really found its footing and 186 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:30.240 became its own thing. I agree. 187 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:34.240 So anyway, so Paramount turns to Harve Bennett. Harve Ben 188 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:38.039 got his start producing The Mod Squad. He went on 189 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:40.360 to do six Million Dollar Man in The Bionic Woman, 190 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:43.480 rich Man poor Man, remember that series? That was him. 191 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:47.120 He also produced a series about gold in my Air 192 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:49.919 called a Woman called golda starring co starring. 193 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:53.799 I remember that it was very popular. 194 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:56.919 Yeah, Harv has an end with mister Spock, and he's 195 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:00.679 gonna need it because once again, Leonard Nimo wants nothing 196 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:02.759 to do with this production anyway, so they bring in Harv. 197 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:05.960 Harv is a casual viewer of Star Trek, as most 198 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:08.159 people were. He knew of the series but wasn't a 199 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:10.919 hardcore fan. So his first order of business is to 200 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.519 sit down and watch every single episode of the series, 201 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:17.679 looking for something to tie the movies back to the 202 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:21.519 original series, because the first film was such a fucking 203 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:25.360 out there nothing to do with anything the picture. And 204 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:31.240 what he finds is season one's Space Seed about Khan 205 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:37.799 Noonian Sing, a twentieth century Eugenics war conqueror who was 206 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:42.080 frozen with his followers in space. Thought out by the Enterprise, 207 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:45.120 tries to take the Enterprise over. Rather than court marshaling him, 208 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:48.039 they give him the opportunity to be marooned on a 209 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.279 planet which he can act as king on and that 210 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.240 that's where we left him. What a ripe opportunity to revisit. 211 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:59.960 So Harve Bennett he comes up with his original story. 212 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.240 Let me see, I have it in my notes. Oh no, 213 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.399 these are my wrong notes. There are my notes. So 214 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:08.840 Bennett writes a treatment called the War of the Generations, 215 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:15.720 which is basically a bunch of space hippies are causing 216 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.759 a revolution and taking over planets, and they have to 217 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:21.360 go out to fight them. They send out the Enterprise 218 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:23.919 and they discover that the leader of the rebels is 219 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:28.159 in fact Kirk's son David, who is being pumpeted by 220 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:32.159 Kirk's old enemy Khan and Noonian Saying. Needless to say, 221 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:36.600 everyone hated that treatment, so he turned screenwriting duties over 222 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:40.759 to Jack B. Sourd. He refocused it onto Khan only 223 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:47.799 and had Khan stealing the Omega device, the Starfleet's weapon 224 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:51.399 of mass destruction. Everyone really liked this script. They thought 225 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:55.159 it was almost totally there, but not quite. When somebody 226 00:13:55.200 --> 00:14:00.559 suggested the screenwriting wondercund Nicholas Meyer, who had done the 227 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.759 seven Percent Solution and then written and directed Time after Time, 228 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:07.919 one of the greatest time travel Jack the Ripper stories 229 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:09.600 ever committed to film. 230 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:12.960 It's fantastic, that's the thing. This was only his second 231 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:17.399 major motion picture and now he's at the helm of 232 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:21.200 this big science fiction franchise. It's amazing. 233 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:25.440 Nicholas Meyer, like Harve Bennett is only a casual fan 234 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:28.720 of Star Trek. He is more of a classicist when 235 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:32.360 it comes to literature, and does not understand Star Trek 236 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:35.559 from a science fiction perspective, but really gets it from 237 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:40.080 its actual inspiration, which are the Horatio Hornblower books. So 238 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:44.679 his take is, oh, this is a naval warfare film. 239 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.120 I'll write it from that perspective, and also, let me 240 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:52.600 add in all this gravitas between Cohn and Kirk, and 241 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:55.559 let me add in all these layers where sequences are 242 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:57.600 going to be. Let me make this a great screenplay. 243 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:02.320 Nicholas Meyer decides and and becomes the directors. 244 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:05.279 Yeah. He The quote that I read was Nicholas Meyer 245 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:10.480 called his approach Hornblower in outer space, and that is 246 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.879 completely apt for this. We've talked about this a little 247 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:17.159 bit offline for the Malonea and your contention is one 248 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:19.320 of the one of the best things about this we'll 249 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:22.279 get into is that this is a naval picture. These 250 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:25.080 are naval battles happening, but they just happen to be 251 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:30.320 happening in outer space, which is really it's almost it's 252 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:34.159 even a departure from a lot of the original series episodes. 253 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:37.399 There wasn't a lot of tactical stuff happening like we 254 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:40.840 see here, but it's almost spoiler alert. Kirk and Kahn 255 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:45.679 never occupy the same physical space. Everything is con spaceship 256 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:49.840 versus Kirk's ship, the Enterprise. It's amazing. What a what 257 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:52.440 an innovative approach to the movie. 258 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:55.919 Right, did you say spoiler alert for Star Trek to 259 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:00.840 the Wrath of Con Yeah, somewhere good. 260 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:05.440 I don't look. We live in a I don't want 261 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:07.879 to give anybody any reason to go wood. I didn't 262 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.080 see yet. I guess if you haven't seen this forty 263 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.879 year old movie, then you're listening at your own. 264 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:15.679 Risks at the end. 265 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:21.440 That's what's interesting about that. I've I dove into a 266 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:26.039 lot of Leonardiemoy interviews and things like that, and Leonard 267 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:28.639 Nimoy one of the reasons why he agreed to do 268 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:32.519 this picture was a he got the chance to do 269 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:35.279 a death scene with Spock, because by then he was 270 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:38.120 really sick of the character and he was always trying 271 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:42.159 to break free of that. But number two, he thought 272 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:44.480 this was going to be the last Star Trek movie, 273 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:46.960 so why not go out with a bang. 274 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:51.559 Also, I much like Jeffrey Canzenberg, who made the pilgrimage 275 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:54.159 from Los Angeles to New York to see Leonard Nimoy 276 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:56.759 on stage and convince him to do Star Trek. Harve 277 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:58.240 Bennett did the exact same thing. 278 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:02.559 Yeah, you can have nothing but love and admiration for 279 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:06.119 Leonard Nimoy. The more that I see interviews and read 280 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.359 about him, and I read his books and everything, and 281 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:12.279 I think all of his grievances with Star Trek are 282 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:16.000 completely for lack of a better word, they're logical. He 283 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:23.200 wanted to be compensated for. He knew his value, and 284 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.759 he knew that the leverage that he had the longer 285 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:29.880 this series went on, which is why he eventually is 286 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:33.480 able to transition into directing the pictures. Because at that 287 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.559 point he's irreplaceable. How do you have a Star Trek 288 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.559 movie without Spock? You can't. So I have nothing but 289 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:44.079 admiration for the guy. Plus he's a local guy. He's 290 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:46.440 from Boston. How can you not love him from Maldon? 291 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:49.559 See I thought he was from from actual Boston. 292 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.759 No, his temple was in Maldon. I apologize. 293 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:55.799 Ah, yes, that's where he learned how to do the live, 294 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:57.079 long and prosper. 295 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:00.319 Oh man, hey, folks, you listened to the fucking biggest 296 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:05.440 nerds on planet Earth. I just realized, let's talk about 297 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:06.240 those uniforms. 298 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:09.920 I think we agree that these might be the best uniforms, 299 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:13.759 at least for the classic Original series movies, because they've 300 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:19.000 moved away from the dull, white, pale blue hospital looking 301 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.440 uniforms from the first movie. Now we have these are 302 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.279 much more in line with kind of almost militaristic in 303 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:30.119 a way. They are these kind of maroon uniforms with 304 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:34.359 a little latch in the top right hand corner that 305 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:38.680 you can unbutton it and the flap comes down so 306 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:40.720 you can open it up if you're looking more casual. 307 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.720 They're great. But what I read is a lot of 308 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.240 these were reused from the first picture. The reason why 309 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:51.720 they went with red was because that was the dye 310 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:55.240 that could handle the material the best was this deep 311 00:18:55.440 --> 00:19:00.359 red color. I read that somewhere God bless it works 312 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.240 so well. Those are the quintessential. 313 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:06.359 Yeah, anything was going to be step above the uniforms 314 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:09.319 from the SS Pajama Party that we got the last 315 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:13.079 As far as I'm concerned, we go from the traditional 316 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:19.039 shirt slack boot combo of the sixties straight to Starfleet 317 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:22.079 is now a military organization. Lookout, Gene. 318 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:27.240 These look like I would imagine an organization like Starfleet. 319 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.839 They look like you can actually discern ranks. They look 320 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.920 more formal. They remind me of dress uniforms that you 321 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.599 would see in the armed services. Now they just they 322 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:40.839 work in. The color scheme is a little more exciting, 323 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:45.400 the reds. The everything just seems a little darker and 324 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:49.359 more edgy and more grounded look wise in. 325 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:51.480 This, including the look of the ships. We get the 326 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:56.920 Reliant here, which is my favorite Starfleet ship ever. That's 327 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.640 including up to now everything they've come up with since then. 328 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.839 Thing is cool is the fucking Reliant. And the great 329 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.279 hilarious bit of that is they sent those plans to 330 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:09.880 Harm Bennett, who was in Israel, I believe making The 331 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:13.640 golda movie, and he looked at the blueprints for the 332 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:16.920 Reliant upside down and approved it and sent it back 333 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:18.279 and they were like, what do we do? And I 334 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:21.119 guess we do it that way. So originally it was 335 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:24.160 supposed to be a mini version of the Enterprise, just 336 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:27.359 squat and compact, and then when they got it back, 337 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:29.720 they flipped it upside down and now it's a badass, 338 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:30.680 little fucking fighter. 339 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:33.200 It is so good looking, the way in the cells 340 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:36.519 are underneath the main saucer section, and the thing of 341 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:40.920 it is, as we get into these tense naval battles 342 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:45.839 with the Enterprise, the Reliant almost has its own character. 343 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:48.759 When you see this thing zooming around, this little squat 344 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:53.599 ship that's really kicking ass. It's great. It just it 345 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.680 looks different enough where because I think up to this point, 346 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.240 I don't know how many other ships in the fleet 347 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:02.720 we'd see before in the original series, did we see 348 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:04.559 a lot of different You know, this is an Enterprise 349 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:06.880 class vessel or whatever, but did we see other ones 350 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:07.200 like this? 351 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:10.880 No, we saw other ships. Basically, it would just be 352 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:14.440 other versions of the Enterprise. They just used other shots 353 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:17.720 of the Enterprise flipped or they changed the insignia or something. 354 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:21.319 But no, we didn't get any real other classes of ships. 355 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:23.960 Certainly not like this. Certainly not what we know now. 356 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:25.799 Back in the day, you could pick up the technical 357 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:29.880 manuals which had like dozens of variations of Starfleet ships, 358 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:31.799 but we never got to see any of them in 359 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:34.640 the flesh. We just got to look at the blueprints. 360 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:35.119 I remember the. 361 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:37.480 Nerds because I still have my I still have my 362 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:38.400 technical manual. 363 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:42.440 I remember those were those like Michael Lukuda books. Was 364 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:44.079 he the one who did all those I think he 365 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:46.839 and his wife actually were responsible for doing all that stuff. 366 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:49.039 That was all. Yeah, they took over for next generation. 367 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:52.960 Surprisingly, the more thought about this as some are you're 368 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.799 watching this, there's a lot of firsts in this movie. 369 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:58.240 Like you said, we have our first look at a 370 00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:01.880 vessel that's not the Enterprise, and it's so cool. 371 00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:06.480 They decided early on, obviously that this may It isn't 372 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:08.440 just Leonard Nimoy who thinks this might be the last movie. 373 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:10.440 Harve Bennett thinks this is going to be the last movie. 374 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:13.119 Knowing the budget that they've cut him down to. They 375 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:14.839 think they're going to go out with a bang here, 376 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:18.920 but they'll leave it hopeful obviously with the ending that 377 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:21.880 we eventually got. Oh no, now I forgot what I 378 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:26.279 was saying, Harve Bennett, so not only did okay, So 379 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:28.200 they decided that they're going to kill Spock at the 380 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:31.480 end of this movie. That's the big secret. And then 381 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:35.759 Star Trek fan groups find out and start freaking out 382 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:39.799 and revealing and starting letter writing campaigns about how fucking 383 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:42.079 angry they are and spreading the word that Spock is 384 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:44.079 going to die to all the fan groups and all 385 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:50.839 the conventions everywhere. And who leaked that information Nimoy Gene Roddenberry. 386 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:53.720 Oh Let figures, and it does hamp. 387 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:58.200 To derail the production. Leaks that information, which is, by 388 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:01.400 the way, the movie begins with the Kobeashi Maru scenario 389 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:05.039 and Spock is killed, as are most of the crew members. Yeah, 390 00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:08.720 that is because the leak got out, so they thought 391 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:10.720 let's give it to the audience in the opening scene. 392 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:13.319 They'll forget all about it, and then we'll kill them 393 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:16.880 again at the end. Well, exactly what happened. It was genius. 394 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:21.000 Yeah, because Kirk says when he sees Spock on the turbolift, 395 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:25.279 aren't you dead? And I remember watching it going they're 396 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:28.480 trying to throw people off the scent of Spock dying. 397 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.599 This is their way of saying, yeah, you might have 398 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:35.960 heard that Spock dies. It's just this Kobyashi Maru simulation thing. 399 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:38.079 By the way, this is what I was surprised by. 400 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:40.400 So as we get into this, I think everybody by 401 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:45.759