Speaker 1: Mirrors and incense and drugs, and then the revelation at the.
Speaker 2: End of the ancient mystery. I think.
Speaker 1: All reality is just one. It is being itself. Look
within you or that game. That's the great mystery that
at the end of your by the way, to be
one of the misty Eye, you study for like twenty
or thirty years.
Speaker 2: What if it's like a giant.
Speaker 1: It's like an ancient super scam, right, Like you studied
for twenty thirty years to become one of the initiates
of the ancient mystry, and then the mystery is literally
the same ship that Gur just says, uh the other.
Speaker 3: Letters, it's amazing, just like whoa bro, Just just look
in the mirror, bro, just look in the mirror. You're
literally everything like some surfer ship.
Speaker 4: You are everything. You are everything. So that's it. Got
you were Johnny Utah? Are you kidding me? Well, you
don't even know his name Johnny Utah. Yeah, except it
was what literally me said to literally me, because I'm
everything and everyone, I'm everything and everyone based and you're
everything and everyone cringed, and I just manifested you to
I only manifested you to make Yeah, I only I
only manifested you so that I could remind myself of
my base cringe. The cosmic baseness is what they call me.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm gonna I'm invoking Ali against you, so
Ali will strike you from the heavens. You're gonna have
like Iranian simpters raining down on you from the heavens. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I would have manifested that too, and I'll just
unmanifested so you can't do anything about it. Bye bye,
unmanifested that All right, We're good now, Jay's unmuted. Jay
was just preaching to me from his his new his
new books. He's kind of working. He's where he's running
his script for the new cult he's building. It's going
to be based on the works of Gerchief, which a
little with a little bit of Terrence McKenna, I was.
I was pitching him on how he has to use
our newly discovered Terrence McKenna psychological manipulation technique of convincing
the women that all the men in the world are
toxic and that we need to get rid of them
in order that we can be the only men so
that we can be in charge of of course, lovingly
and philanthropically helping to service all of the.
Speaker 2: Lazers roundabout way of spitting game. But I'll give Terrence
McKenna some credit for that. He's got that death cult
game going on, right, He's like he's spitting game and
he realizes that I can just get rid of all
the men. Bro it's me and like a zillion women.
Speaker 5: All of the people that make me feel uncomfortable should
not exist because I am the center of the I
am in the center of the eye of the third
eye of the cosmic Buddha in the universe.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, obviously, Yeah, I'm here evident until now and
I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's show self evident. I'm here with Jay Dier
a K A body, a k A Johnny Utah a
k A young boomer you all you all know Jay Dyer,
right you titled titles, many titles. He is a he
is a Bondologist. He's a James Bondologist. He did his
seventh or eighth PhD. I forget which one in in
bondology under doctor Gregor. Correct, yeah, under doctor Gregor in
Advanced Bond Studies. Also uh, Bond Girl Studies, which is
now Bond Women's Studies.
Speaker 1: UH.
Speaker 4: With an X instead of an oh.
Speaker 2: Obviously you want to know what's funny about that? Is?
I kid you not? Because I had to buy a
whole lot of bondology studies. You can, as you can imagine,
as we get more and more contemporary, the Bond studies
turn in more and more into queer theory and Bond
male toxic masculinity and Bond that's all.
Speaker 4: About for sure. Well you see you see this in
the media dialogue concerning the new Bond films when they
come out. That's always a part of it of like
when are we going to get a black man? Like
when are we going to get a black woman? And
the last one I didn't see the last one, did
you like the most recent one that was released.
Speaker 2: I mean, as a movie, it was a it was
an okay film, But I mean the whole purpose of
No Time to Die was like, hey, old white man
in your colonization, it's time for you to die, bro.
That was That's the meaning.
Speaker 4: So as Terence McKenna wrote that, and I will be
in charge of all the Bond ladies and they will
be be badonka dunk wielding black ladies.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And his poly poly cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah is what was it a quintuple or an octople
or something. Yeah, that's that's what I was gonna say.
It seemed it seemed like the dialogue was all about, well,
out with you and out with the old and with
the new. We need a we need a black woman
to be the book.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, the lead female character in I mean they
had two or three Bond girls as usual in in
the the new one. Who's that Latino chick that everybody
thinks is hot, you know, the girl from A Blade
Rounder twenty forty nine. She's the operating system girlfriend of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, literally mean's girlfriend and there she and a Dharmas.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's her, she's in it. But then the other
Bond girl is the black girl that you're talking about,
and she's the new double oh seven in the story.
So yeah, story, long story short, Bond dies and then
it passes on to baysed black woman.
Speaker 4: Is she even? Does she have redeeming qualities in the field? Like,
what are her supposed She's not like sassy or something?
Speaker 2: Is she she's sassy? Black woman?
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? They made her sassy? She's English?
Speaker 2: She talked ship to James Bond.
Speaker 4: But she's English or she like an American.
Speaker 2: She's British or she's from.
Speaker 4: Botswana.
Speaker 2: He goes to. Uh it's there's a nod to GoldenEye,
which is Ian Fleming's estate in Jamaica.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's actually what he called is a state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bond, my mom's been to. It's pretty cool. Uh
So she Bond goes in the movie to Jamaica as
a nod to that, and then that's where he meets her.
I can't remember she's Jamaican or British. I think she's British.
Speaker 4: That'd be so funny if she was Jamaican. But she
would like big up, big up to the James Bond. James,
but why you be up?
Speaker 6: She was like a aster assassin, James Bond, James Bomber
clad more like a James Bomber clap.
Speaker 2: We say, me only killing the people that Barbylon tells
me to kill. Even though I'm working for Barbylon, I'm
also gonna fight.
Speaker 6: We got you call him James Bond, We call him
James Barbylon man, James b Bobbylon system. They keep James Bond.
They make James Bond and white devil a bald head.
You're the bald head, white devil, James Bond were the
true black, were the true black queen of this place,
Queen Elizabeth, she really a black woman.
Speaker 4: She's black exactly all the hair and.
Speaker 2: Was sharing the old the classic icons or black people
stuff today.
Speaker 3: Look at it.
Speaker 2: What that is? That's a that's bank radio.
Speaker 4: That's a black man. Hey yeah, yeah, wool and here
wood hair is wooly? Who has wooly hair? Dude, He's
like two steps away from like, you're gonna be my slave,
Jay Die, you can be my slave in the after
Life's white devil, we take over. You be my slave,
kiss my boot jay Dayah pledge allegiance to the to
the Black Hebrew is reeal lights.
Speaker 2: The one is that you can tell like his extreme
arrogance is what keeps him so stupid. He's like the
greatest Dunning Krigger of all time.
Speaker 4: I love it. Got a character here, guys, We got
a fun show tonight. Uh thanks for coming on, Jay.
I always appreciate it. The biggest figots always demand this.
They demand the man these more, almost more than anything.
So we gotta do some more movie reviews soon too.
Speaker 2: And I'd like to talk about more than words more
than words to show you how I fee you that
show love for me? You re remember? Extreme?
Speaker 4: What what say? Is just like one of these night
teen thirty songs from your childhood? Jay, more than words?
Speaker 2: You don't know that song? I don't know. Oh my goodness,
you're a faget millennial. You know that song?
Speaker 4: You actually know who is that is? Like ninety eight
degrees or something?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: You have to know this.
Speaker 4: I literally don't.
Speaker 2: You know all these nineties songs, and then whenever I
start singing them, you're like, never heard of it?
Speaker 4: Just gaslight you into thinking acting no. It's like an
automatic reaction. It's you know, my my as the as
the what was that the sex positive psychotherapist we saw
last night? I was a full body no. When Jay
thinks full body no, I legit have never heard that
song though.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean it only has almost one billion views.
Extreme more than words. Those two long haired nineties dudes.
Speaker 4: I'm a trad millennial. I know two bands, Creed and Creed.
Speaker 2: Okay, this would be like ninety ninety one, ninety two.
How old were you even? Were you like four nineteen
ninety one? I don't even know, No, Jay, I was
four and a half. Probably many of the audience will
know more than words by extreme. I guarantee that.
Speaker 4: Extreme. That's wait, No, I would, I would. I wouldn't
remember songs from when I was actually when I was four,
but like mid nineties, when we get to ninety six
ninety seven, I'd remember a lot of the pop songs.
Speaker 2: This is like ninety one, two three, when there it was.
Speaker 4: Before my before my days, my friend that was my
you know, I was, I was. I was watching Sesame Street.
Speaker 2: Freaking.
Speaker 4: What else was I I don't know what I was
consuming media. I was consuming what.
Speaker 2: I will assure you that if you you you will
probably like that song. I don't care for it, but
I it's a it's a Tristan.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this song sucks. But you'll probably know this
song is awful and everybody that likes it sucks, so
you'd probably really like it. You're the only thing you
would say, this is exactly what the type of thing
that you would say. Well, so, on orders from my
r KGB handlers, we are here to discuss the recent
revelations and how these kind of tie in with historical
use of mass media for psychological operations. Cultural engineering, steering
people socially politically, and you know who better to have
on to talk about some of this stuff than mister
j Di er KGB sorcerer himself. So yeah, we got
Did you get a chance to read any of that indictment?
The indictment which was not actually levied at Tim Poole
or even Lauren Chen. The indictment was of two people,
two Russians that were going under pseudonyms and allegedly funding
that YouTube channel called Tenet Media, the fund of this
YouTube channel called Tenant Media, and apparently allegedly the owners
of these companies of this company. I think there were
actually two companies that were being used to push money
into this YouTube channel, which actually when you look at
the channel didn't have that many views considering the people
that were involved with it. Tim Poole came out today.
He talked to Ben Shapiro. He's one of Jay's heroes.
Speaker 2: He's like Jay models his whole I call it benj.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's Jay's north star, so he's he really looks
up to him, and so he was. He talked to
Ben's Shaphro, a shape hero as Jay calls him, and
he said that well, all we did was actually licensed
content that we already had on our Culture War channel
that would then be also on the Tenet Media channel,
and they got a certain amount of money for it,
which seems like for what Tim Poole's doing and for
what his operation has is scaled at, it was kind
of minuscule. From what Pool said, It's like it was
kind of inconsequential money now to somebody, like not somebody
like Jay, because Jay, I mean, I mean, look at
look at the guy. Look at the shirt. I mean
this he's wearing. I mean that that shirt. Yeah, look
at that Rolex he's got. Like we don't look at
at the shirt.
Speaker 2: Is the AOC model of a Movado that is not
a Rolex AOC fud Look it up, I have the
same watch as AOC. I'm proud of that. I'm very
proud of that.
Speaker 4: I'm proud of you as well, my friend. So, yeah,
it was it was inconsequential amount of money for for
mister Tim Poole. But allegedly the owners of the company
that were funding this YouTube channel, Tenant Media, were getting
Russian money. We're told this is Russian money, and apparently
this is enough to make somebody a Russian agent. Right,
So if you if you got money from any Russian
for any business dealing at all, apparently you're you're now
a Russian agent. We've got people jumping all over this,
anybody who's got an ax to grind with Tim Poole.
And I'm not here like trying to like show for
Tim Poole, nor am I here to hate on Tim Poole.
But uh, you know, everybody, you got guys like Hassan, Destiny.
If you search, you know Tim Poole Russian on YouTube,
the top videos that are popping up are you know Vouch,
Hassan and Destiny saying, oh he knew it. He's a
Russian agent. He's a Russian agent. We gotta you know,
we got to back Ukraine. You know Slava Ukrainey, you
know Glori. It is reel. So this is this is
the narrative that's coming out now. There's this DJ indictment
that is causing a big hullabaloo, and we've got essentially
a new Russia Gate. So I think that's that's a
basic outline of it. Most of the details that I'm
familiar with. I was looking at the indictment earlier. It
seems rather tame. There are some d ms from Discord
included there which the media is trying to portray this
as all they're openly shilling for Russia, and uh yeah,
I to me it seems a little bit ridiculous, but
well away for more information to come out and see
what I'd like to see what Chen has to say,
what Lauren Chen has to say. Everybody, not everybody, but
a lot of people are jumping all over and acting like, oh, well,
she's clearly a subversive agent, and the people who are
on the some of the people who are on the
right are saying, well, she was put in there to
create division right before the election and try and sway
certain voters using single issue wedges to not vote at
all and abstain from voting for Trump, which would then
in turn benefit Kamala. The people like Vausch and all
these other vous destiny Hassan MSNBCCNN type people are saying, well,
this is clearly showing that everybody on the right wing,
anybody that opposes US sending seven trillion dollars to Ukraine
every month, and anybody who's vaguely critical of the actions
of Israel. These people are all Russian shills, and the
Russians are directly paying them in order to get Donald
Trump elected. It's just a whole new Russian gate thing.
So those that's a basic overview of the narrative. There
anything I forgot there?
Speaker 2: Jay?
Speaker 4: Then you've seen about this.
Speaker 2: No, I think that covers the overview. Do you want
to get into the specifics or do anything else?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Either way? I mean, as this whole case is
somewhat interesting, but I think it really illustrates kind of
the broader mechanisms for discrediting, creating disunity among certain political fronts,
and you know, swaying the behavioral people.
Speaker 2: Let's think back to say, ten twelve years ago, maybe
even fifteen years ago, in terms of what was allowed
for American media. If there was this serious threat, why
did the West? Why did the US allow RT to
operate so freely and so widely, giving it a massive
platform on YouTube for many many years? If and everyone
knew that RT was Russian state media. I mean it's
almost like this was allowed to happen, and then they
kind of let it sit there, and they let the
influence happen as far as they perhaps wanted it to
be there, so that then they could crack down on
it and then use it as an excuse because if
you remember, over the years, everybody from Larry King Larry
King had a show. You had people who left CNN
who would go to the anchors at RT. Youah, people
leave our t to go be in American pro American media.
I can think of tons and tons of Alice Jones
has been on our team many times over the years.
So this was never an issue until it became politically
useful to say when they concoct the whole Russian hoax
narrative in twenty sixteen that Donald Trump had been at
some point compromised. And we know that the Steele dossier
was drawn up by former British intelligence people as a
complete hoax. It was entirely fabricated. The original story actually
related to a place, a hotel that the Obamas had
stayed in. Now that doesn't mean that Obama was involved
in some peace situation, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 4: We don't know, Yeah, yeah, well we were. Remember the
details were incredibly degenerate, right, It was kind of it
was like this this crazy, you know, twisted fan fiction,
highly pornographic of Trump doing gross stuff in a hotel
room with some with some ladies of a night as.
Speaker 2: And this was admitted eventually to be wholly concocted by
Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence oppert who was obviously
just working with Democrats in the US to concoct this
kind of a nonsense.
Speaker 4: And that goes back to the shows the international collusion there.
I mean, so you've got you got collusion of British intelligence,
you know, us the law enforcement. So now that's not
foreign interference though, right when you've got British agents, that's fine.
These are our friends. They're you know, we've got our
greatest ally who's also you know, beyond reproach as far
as funding media operations. You know, it's very hypocritical the
way that this is being that this is being selectively
used for selective outrage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that will tie in, uh to the espionage
side of this, because the entire apparatus of the OS
S and c A are set up by British intelligence operators.
It's set up by literally Ian Fleming, Bill Donovan, Noel Coward,
the playwright, and other people who came over WILLIAMS Stevenson
from Canadian British intelligence who came and basically told Bill
Donovan how to set up this British version of an
intelligence apparatus. So again, the CIA has this long standing
special relationship, as it's called, with the UK. But again,
like you said, that's not foreign interference when other nation
states that you can think of in the Middle East,
and I don't just mean Israel, the Arab States also
the Saudis promote, for example, Islam at a very wide
scale in America and on social media. That's not for
an event. Remember all the pay to play scandals for
Hillary's campaign. It came out that all these dictators, Katari dictators,
basically paying into Hillary's campaign. And then when Hillary took
the office, she was going to divide up whatever country
she went into destroy and you know, piece milhend it
out to these these various Arab states.
Speaker 4: So you know, this is like there are are allies.
Speaker 2: So that's okay, right, okay, So if you're an ally,
then it's fine. You can totally, you know, interfere in
the elections all you want. And that's the point.
Speaker 4: That's that's real. Hold on, let me let me reinforcing
democracy exactly correct, reinforcing the democracy.
Speaker 2: But wait a minute, Saudi Arabia, I'm pretty sure isn't
a democracy, but.
Speaker 4: You know, like, wait a minute, well I thought it's
not racist, all right, let's we don't have to be
racist about it. I mean, there's cultural differences and yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Those are the good Muslims, the good Salafi Muslims like
Jake and Daniel over in Saudi Arabia, they're the good guys.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, they help fight the Soviets in nineteen seventy nine,
even though they're also the bad guys in World Trade
Center nineteen ninety three in the Big nine event, they're
also still the good guys at the same time, right,
help me understand that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, Uh, I don't even know what the
excuse would be there, like a high level of cognitive
dissonance there. I can't even I can't even.
Speaker 2: Role plays, right because the Goldstein is like a hero,
but then he's a terror man and then he's a course.
Speaker 4: It's like, of course, yeah, I've bin Laden was very
much very much that character.
Speaker 2: M I got way too ahead of him.
Speaker 4: That was good. That's It's all actually very relevant here.
I mean you mentioned the Saudist I mean what about well,
now what we're seeing with this setup of what we're
supposed to be. First of all, we're supposed to believe
that we're mortal enemies with Russia, right Russia. We're basically
there's this underlying assumption and this kind of presupposition that
we're basically at war with Russia, like as like the
whole of the West is at war with Russia. Ukraine,
you know, we're acting almost like Ukraine. It's like some
sort of a vassal state of the US and nay
to a block. So I think that's pretty interesting. And
then also he't goet the son of the sitting president
involved in massive billions and billions of dollars of business
deals with Barismo over there in Ukraine. You've got Biden
bragging before the Council and was a Council on Foreign Relations,
and that infamous clip where he brags about uh saying
he's gonna stop this IMF money from getting to Ukraine
unless they fire the prosecutor. That was kind of sniffing
up the bomb of of of Hunter concerning the sketchy
stuff that they were involved in. But yeah, in front
of camera fired. Yeah, So but no, this is not collusion.
This has nothing, you know, that's that's reinforcing.
Speaker 2: There's nothing going on. Why would you think there's something
going on there.
Speaker 4: No, I'm saying that's not I'm saying this is normal,
this is good, It's clearly fine. He also his his
dealings with China, with Jina, you know, I mean the
business dealings with China that are being done, with the
back room stuff with certain political families, you know, the
sitting president and his son as well. So there this
stuff is supposed to be overlooked. I mean, I guess
we're also supposed to pretend that China is somehow a
mortal enemy of the US, and that China, you know,
there's this imminent war with China that's been kind of
the neocons have been pushing for this idea for a
long time.
Speaker 2: But you'll know that this is ok. There once again
the DNC, and you know, going through Whitney Webb's book
that the chapter on the relationship of the DNC going
back to the Clinton period in what many people have forgotten,
or if they're too young, they don't know about Chinagate.
Chinagate was a big deal in the nineties during Clinton
administration because all these scandals were coming out that at
that time the Clinton circles had already well established themselves
with Chinese spies, Chinese operatives, Chinese people coming over here
and pushing scams, Ponzie scenes, all this kind of stuff.
And I remember at the time there was like neo
con outlets and conservative outlets that didn't like the Clinton's
talking about how Bill Clinton's transferring our technology to China
and sending it, and which I don't doubt. But when
you really dig into it, if you read that chapter
in Whitney's book about the DNC in China and China Gate,
now that a lot of this makes sense because it's
the same situation with the what you see with Hunter
and all these people in not just China, but also,
like you said, in Ukraine with Barisma.
Speaker 4: So it's a really good boat man. And then when
you look at the cultural the downstream cultural engineering effects
of this, I mean, mass media didn't really cover China
Gate to a great extent, right, I mean, there wasn't
much criticism of the Clinton's.
Speaker 2: Actually no, I mean it's just different because it's hard
to say. I don't remember I remember it being discussed
on CNN stuff, And when I went and looked at
some the other day. I did find old CNN articles,
old BBC articles, But like in nineteen ninety seven, eight
ninety nine, like not many people were reading the internet.
Speaker 4: You know, the Watergate, The whole Watergate situation was not Watergate.
What was the other one? Not Watergate? With that hotel property?
Speaker 2: Are you talking about the Clinton property scandals?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but there was a they had a there was
a gate behind it.
Speaker 2: It was a name.
Speaker 4: I think about it, I'm thinking Watergate, not Watergate.
Speaker 2: I thought that that had to do with like Clinton
in Arkansas, land deals, right, yeah.
Speaker 4: Land deals, and there was some resort type thing or
hotel there. It was there was that took up a
lot more media attention. And then I don't know if
that was at the same time as China Gate, but
that that was a big deal in the nineties. And
it's you know, sometimes these little scandals that actually get
focused on are kind of just there to distract you
from things that you maybe would be a big deal,
right like when you think about China Gate and the
repercussions of this for the American middle class with Walmart, uh,
the the massive explosion of Walmart Costco Sam's Club, all
these things with huge imports from China with very low
import duties, the offshore manufacturing that really started kickstarting NAFTA,
the NAFTA super Highway, stuff that they were trying to
get pushed through. This had huge effects of the US
economy on the way of life in America. And just.
Speaker 2: Ring was to be really precise, the nineteen ninety six
campaign finance controversy that China was giving money to the
Clintons to help get them elected. I mean, talk about
like scandal.
Speaker 4: That's crazy, right, that's insane, But it makes a lot
of sense when you see like what happened with the
whole NAFTA deal and what a shift we saw on
the culture.
Speaker 2: I mean, you.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't have had You wouldn't have You probably wouldn't have never,
would have never had the opioid crisis, you know, if
it weren't for Afghanistan obviously in the Iraq War, but
also Whitewaters, wide Water, not Watergate, Whitewater, the Whitewater scandal.
But yeah, you wouldn't have had the opioid epidemic and
it wouldn't have been nearly as bad if the American
jobs hadn't been thrown off shore during the nineties, right,
So I mean.
Speaker 2: Now this was a time, this was to the period
for those that remember. And I was talking to doctor
James Lindsay about this at the event that was at
He had a really good insight on this. He said,
if you think about it, this was the time when
you remember in the nineteen eighties if you go to Walmart,
the big sales pitch that they had was by American,
made in America. It's all American. And this is right
before when the Clintons come in then it all switches
to everything goes over to China. There's a book written
by this published by the Spotlight. I forget the name
of the book, but that's who did the Builderberg coverage
and they did the guy that wrote the JFK but
Michael Collins Piper alleging that a certain medieval for certain
Middle East nation was behind the assassination of JFK. That's
a very famous book.
Speaker 4: So final what is it? What was it?
Speaker 2: Book? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I remember my grandma got me that book in like.
Speaker 2: The same publisher. They did a book about how the
deals were set up to sendel manufacturing over to China,
specifically for the Waltons and Walmart. So this this, I
think that the Clinton period is probably key period for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crucial. And look how much our lives have
changed because of this. I mean we've you wouldn't have
the world yet today. So many of the issues that
we had economically in the US and the West direct
repercussions of this, and these same you know, these same
people are still wielding power to a great extent.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And to bring it back to the sort of
inconsistency of this, I think, as like I said on Twitter,
when it comes to foreign nations and attempts to buy
media influence and to have people this is well known.
Remember some years ago there's some kerfluffle about Al Jazero.
Al Jazeera is Arab owned, and they're pushing you know,
Arab pro Arab, pro Muslim, anti Israel rhetoric in the West.
So when it's convenient, it's a necessary thing to fuss about, right,
you follow me, It's.
Speaker 4: Absolutely this is well known.
Speaker 2: Right other medieval I keep saying medieval. Other Middle Eastern
countries do the exact same thing by influencing media people
in America.
Speaker 4: Right right, Well, you know, the APAC lobby, like this,
I mean all this, the Israel lobby is huge, but
we're you know, that's that's okay, they're an ally right,
But clearly when with these other countries, you know, China
is okay as long as it's benefiting you know, some
of the people that are powerful within the US government,
But China is not okay in other context when it's
convenient to make them the book man that we must
you know, prepare for war with and build up our
surveillance state domestically. No, it's good. It's completely inconsistent in
every way exactly.
Speaker 2: So that what that shows you is that it's rolled
out when it's politically useful, because at any point, like
they could have said a long time ago, these are
foreign influence agents, right, and we can't have if we
and if we can't have that, then we're not going
to have Chinese foreign influence. We shouldn't have, you know,
pick any other what's the They went after press TV
too some years back, because that's Iran, right, Yeah, so
they really just sort of pick the ones that they
allow for a while and then decide, oh, now you're
a problem, so we're going to ban press TV. We're
gonna ban our Tea, but no banning of other opera
other entities that are obviously hostile to the West.
Speaker 4: Again, not not just even talk about you even talk
about their influence. And then you're you know, you're you're
a bad man. You want to you want to literally
bring about the death and destruction of entire people. You're
you're racist, your anti you know, you're anti Amish.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's very inconsistent.
Speaker 2: Just think about the mainstream narrative. Let's just go with
mainstream narratives. Right, So the Big nine event was Saudi.
Speaker 7: This has been admitted, right, Well, the Saudis that were
dancing on the grit. Well, no, no, I'm saying that
just the mainstream exactly. We know those other narratives and
background stuff.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, let's just go with what the mainstream
has admitted about the Saudi hijackers, right, being involved in
that event. Wouldn't that constitute those people in that ideology
being contrary to American values into the West?
Speaker 4: And yet a few bad apples, There are a few
bad apples.
Speaker 2: There's no complaints right about you know, Islam being pushed
everywhere in America. So anyway, but yeah, the excuse of
course will be as you said, well that they're allies
right now.
Speaker 4: So yeah, what maybe the neocons are down with the
Saudis now too. I mean that, well, Saudi Arabia has
made a major shift in their policy and they've been
very you know, they've been super soft and really buddied
up with you know, with our greatest ally. So I
guess you know there there there seems to have been
a major shift there. I don't really know the ins
and outs of what goes on in Saudi Arabian politics.
Something teams that have happened, you know, something happened under
the Trump administration. Those are there are a lot a
lot of strange issues, a lot of weird events that
did go down, including well the certain events you don't
really can't talk.
Speaker 2: Abou'm just saying that based on the mainline narrative, wouldn't
that make them a an entity hostile to American interests?
Speaker 4: Of course? But like you said before, it's like it's complete,
you know, it's completely nineteen eighty four at this point,
you don't you don't even try to be consistent. You
just roll with the punches and then just pragmatically take
whatever position at the time will benefit you and help
you to wield more power, you know, I mean it's
just a you see it in the way that these
leftists debate, you know, like they're they're the inconsistencies. They
don't care about it the truth, No, that doesn't matter, right,
They're they're in this post post truth reality where you know,
it's not about truth, it's about power.
Speaker 2: It's pure power. Yeah, I mean, even debate, even interactions,
it's only about gaining the upper hand and optics and
and displays of spectacle. Nothing to do with you know,
determining or delineating truth, which.
Speaker 4: You know, of course, the displays of spectacle. It's a
major espionage and you know it's a it's a major
tactic used in espionage. But then also kind of has
its roots in what we were talking about in the
very beginning, you know, before we started here, you were
talking about that that book on Western occultism and Western
esotericism and the roots of espionage are really are kind
of coming from that, right, John d talk about this
a lot is in your book as well, you know,
John de being the Queens, you know, top spy guy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a book that your buddy dun Duncan
Trussell recommend.
Speaker 4: He's on the back of it, Duncan Trussel detrip.
Speaker 2: Buddy Duncan tell it's called Uh John d Empire of Angels,
Enochian Magic and the Occult Roots of the modern world.
Speaker 4: Where did he go? Where duncan Trussell go? That dude
used to be everywhere like three years ago you've gone now.
Speaker 2: But this is interesting because I haven't read this yet.
I've just got it pretty recently. But it's pretty much
positive kind of what you're getting at that the way
that we think of the modern world kind of kind
of spins out of these occult movement movements, who also
oftentimes were tied into espionage spy operations. And some people theorize,
for example, that the Enochian magic symbols that John d
was all into really might have just been ways to
write spy code to send it to Elizabeth. Of course,
he was Elizabeth's chief spy. Queen Elizabeth, So if you
see the pictures, the paintings of her with eyes all
over her, those famous paintings are her spies. She had
a bass By network. And this included I mean not
just him, but other I think Sir Walter Raleigh and
other people that, by the way, is where the term
the world is not enough. The bond phrase that comes
from Sir Walter Raleigh. The double oh seven symbol comes
from John D. It's his two balls and a cane
to bulcane.
Speaker 4: That's what the ladies call me. Two ballcane they called you.
Speaker 2: Nevermind, go ahead, two.
Speaker 4: Small ball canes. What they call you two balls too,
smalls they call it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so you know there's a fascinating relationship between
these two worlds that I know you know about now
having known me the expert in this field.
Speaker 4: Yeah, bondologists James James, James James, is it James, Jim
Jim Dyer, Jim Dryer, I forget. I'm here with Jim Dryer, bondologist,
the boomer fashion expert.
Speaker 2: This is a joke, I'm not. But there is a
field called bondology.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. Well, if if there's anybody that should get
an honorary PhD in bondology, I mean, you definitely know
more about the bond flicks, and it definitely studied the
whole subject more than anyone.
Speaker 2: The history part of it's interesting. But like I was
saying earlier, like when when it gets into queer theory.
Speaker 4: And toxic I know, that's like my that's my stuff,
that's my bad.
Speaker 2: That's where you would step in as an expert.
Speaker 4: Obviously obvious. You have to tell me, dude, I know. So, yeah,
you mentioned, you know, going back to John D. This
this occult influence in Western thought. You know, it goes
back to even pre Enlightenment, right, I mean John D
is kind of this like you know, what would you
call like Victorian era figures. The Victorian era of the
John D was Elizabethan era. And before this you've got
the Renaissance. And I've got a copy of the book
and I've yet to delve into it, but the cult
roots of the Renaissance or what is what is the
book called the Occult History of the Renaissance.
Speaker 2: I forget, there's the Occult Enlightenment.
Speaker 4: The occult Enlightenment, but there's another one about the Renaissance.
I think that I've got a copy of that have
yet to delve into. But you know, I mean, you've
got this this resurgence of of paganism in the West
that came with the Renaissance, that ended up leading to
the Enlightenment. The Father Sarah from Rose and his Orthodox
Survival course is a good job and kind of tracing
the roots of all these movements to the Great Schism
and schism leading to the enlighten schism leading to the Renaissance.
The Renaissance leading to the Reformation, and of course many
of the enlighten Enlightenment thinkers and then the later revolutionaries
that came out of the Enlightenment loving and revering the
Protestant Reformation as being a sort of many Enlightenment and uh,
and of course this leading us to where we are today.
Where you've got you know me as an expert in
bond study, bond gender studies.
Speaker 2: Well, uh, Dame Francis Yates and her famous book Rosa
Cruscian Enlightenment. She begins the book with a chapter on
John D. So she points out John D is a
key figure. Uh. And since reading this book, I kind
of overlooked the influence of Jacob Bowen, who is, by
the way, Nicholas Cage's favorite esotericis those who are interested
out there?
Speaker 4: Whoa wait, how do we know that he talks about
an interview? How did that come up? Who's your who's
your favorite esotericist?
Speaker 2: Really been an interested in reading Jacobillame and the Theologia
Germanic just a wild guy, dude. Anyways, he really did
talk about that interview. So Jacob Boween is sort of
the father of this idea of Christian what's called Christian theosophy,
and he posits this God in process, so process philosophy
from him then influences Hegel, who influences Marx. So a
lot of the Western philosophers that we might not think
of as being directly connected this actually are especially Hegel.
So Hegel, there would be no Hegel without Jacob Oween
in some of these other renaissances from Medicis and as
you pointed out, the Neoplatonists of the Renaissance as well.
So that's a big, you know, pathway to where we
are today. As these figures they play into the Enlightenment
or the Find the Minds of Men book that you've covered,
a lot of those characters who were revolutionaries were also
into the occult. There's that great chapter in Firing the
Minds of Men on the Pythiagoreans and the Neoplatonists that
influenced by Shop to you know, create his group in
a lot of that, Yeah, a lot a lot of
that involved spycraft and espionage. These revolutionary characters were were
spies too, So really no different today, I guess, because
to move it up into the modern period, you have Blovatski,
who is pretty clearly some type she was. She was
even believed by the multiple British investigators and whatnot at
the time to be some kind of spy. They thought
she might be a Russian spy. But I think it's
more makes more sense, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I assume that it was confirmed that she was,
you know, deeply steeped in espionage circles.
Speaker 2: But well, there the the accusation comes from people who
were connected with the British government, who were in the
Psychical Research Society. So the problem is that Psychical Research
Society is not the most credible organist, say, because they're
but they have people in it who were connected the
British government. But so what happens is Blavatski says that
she channeled all of these messages from the assented masters
of course, and then the people at the Psychic Research Society.
This guy who was like a UK investigator guy was like,
wait a minute, this all sounds like her.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And by the way, what she doing when she goes
on these missions to the Himalayas and she's meeting with
KGB operatives, Like, uh, what that guy temple Roorick ror
she went she would go and meet with Rorrick not
temple and uh. She is then accused of being a
Russian spy. But in reality, I think Rotziu's analysis makes
more sense that no, she was going and meeting with
KGB guys because the Fabian Socialists and the Rothschild circles
liked the KGV. They weren't against the Soviets and the
Bolsheviks and all them. Hmmm, So I think she was
a Milner Fabian spy, not a Russian spy.
Speaker 4: We got a super chat here from Big Boss super
chatting through through the stream labs. Thanks a lot, Big
Boss to fifteen bucks. Is how exactly would Russia even
subvert the US weird now as degen as it gets,
or would the subversion be the opposite of what we
are You will participate in sex after marriage, you will
marry a natural born woman as a natural born man. Yeah. Well,
I mean the narrative from the media is that, well,
the Russians clearly want Trump in because Trump is you know,
Trump's a Russian Agent's been the thing that they've been
spouting since twenty sixteen. And the other one now is
that well, the Russians want you to not be pro
Ukraine and the Russians want you to be anti Israel, right,
So this is they're kind of tying all their little
pet issues in with like just throwing that all in
one basket.
Speaker 3: It seems.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, I mean, you know, if you think
about it, well, the New York Times had a long
article that I reported on back at the twenty eighteen
or nineteen. I think everybody's forgotten this, but Hillary had
huge deals in Russia with certain energy companies. So the
actual monetary interests of Hillary were way more than any
kind of deals that Trump had relation in relation to
any Russian people.
Speaker 4: So it actually amazing how much money they've generated through
all these deals since the nineties. I mean, the Clintons
are they're very powerful people. I mean they're very they're
very really adept at doing these you know, shady gangster
level business deals internationally. I mean with their don't they
also have a big Saudi connection to d or they
did I'm not.
Speaker 2: Sure what sort of beula the pay for play stuff
was Saudi Qatar various royals giving Hillary vast sums of
money for when she was elected that they would get hey,
they would get paybacks.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that? Remember they're not going to get
a DOJ indictment about that anytime soon.
Speaker 2: No, exactly. Do you remember the twenty fifteen payer.
Speaker 4: Play, yep, I'm remembering, And now that you say it,
it's it's amazing the sheer magnitude and and frequency with
which this has been happening since to.
Speaker 2: Think how silly this is. Right, The only thing that
they could find on Trump is a made up thing
about being peede on which was fake. But Hillary and
Bill and all of them have like literally taken zillions
of dollars from China, Saudi's qataris like all of it,
and other countries.
Speaker 4: Is there like it Israel connected. I mean, you know,
the Apex pretty dangn powerful everywhere.
Speaker 2: But absolutely, I mean, like a half of uh winning
Webb's book is uh Epstein's connections there and with with China.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, I mean Epstein he's he's there
are our greatest allies. You know these are well.
Speaker 2: But he gave money to the Clinton campaign back in
at that time philanthropy.
Speaker 4: He was for science. The guy likes science. The Clinton's
are pro science.
Speaker 2: What's your problem? I mean at that time, Look, all
Bill Clinton knew at that time was that he was
getting philanthropic donations from a science man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and his young girls. They were giving him philanthropic
we don't know, happy ending.
Speaker 2: Rubdowns, allegedly allegedly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, exactly, Well you have to say allegedly, don't
don't not say allegedly. I mean, it's it's so crazy.
It's like, it's it's insane the level of corruption that
has been normalized now. And I think, you know, if there,
if there is a syop, and then you know there's
levels and levels and layers and layers of syops. One
of the biggest syops out there is clearly to just
demoralize us through us knowing all of this, right, I mean,
it's it's so incredibly it's amazing how much corruption there
is that's just right out there in the open, and
nothing gets stun about it. You know, it's it's just
really right in front of your face. And I think
one of the major syops in in mass media has
been to well, just cover this stuff up with spectacle.
Right whenever there's something coming out, there's a new spectacle
that it's just oh, look over there, you know, like
it's you know, start a dumpster fire and point the
cameras at the dumpster fire, and people are going to
focus on that. And you know, the manipulation of consciousness
is something that these westerness terists have always been really
interested in, the nature of consciousness, probing into the depth
of the human soul, which they'll usually call the psyche
or something. But this is of seminal importance to these,
you know, to the Western necessary esotericists that you were
discussing earlier. And I was talking a little bit about
psychoanalysis and Freud, Young and Reich and all of these guys.
The framework with which we that we look at the
world through has been changed so much over the years,
but has really led us into this almost like hall
of mirrors U and mass media now with social media
has become kind of like the ultimate opioid for for
the masses, because you know, you can anybody can just
jump into the little hall of mirrors and just spend
endless hours on TikTok on Instagram, you know, following their
favorite uh, their favorite influencers, influencing them to you know,
behave in ridiculous ways doing TikTok dances and all this stuff.
But you know, but that's so that's fine. That's okay.
What what is a problem is general people who are
slightly to the right of center on some issues, like Timpoole,
Lauren Chen and some of these people who are you know,
very moderate in all regards, like these are not extreme
far right, you know, Timpoole extreme far right. You know,
he's really far on the right side of his bum
when he's sitting on the fence on most issues. I mean,
he's he's notorious as being like a fence sitter. And
I'm not trying to just slag on Tim Poole, but
like he'll admit this himself that he's a fence sitter
on a lot of these things, and that's what he's
known for. But now, oh no, he's he's far right
because he's critical of spending billions of dollars on this
war in Ukraine that is going to benefit all these
you know, oligarchic families who have been ripping off the
country and ripping off the people in Ukraine for so long. It's, uh,
this is a problem him being vaguely critical of certain
actions that Israelist taking while being really apologetic for Israel
in general on most things. Him Russians must be paying
him to do this, and this is a major problem.
You know, it's not only fans polluting the minds of
you know, entire generations young men and turning people's daughters
into literal whors. That's okay, that's fine, But you know,
Tim Poole's saying some stuff that maybe the Russians would
the Russians maybe that they would agree with. Well, we
better shot that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the accusation not too long ago was that
he was being funded by the CIA. I remember that
accusation a while back. And the more he moved into
this sort of libertarian and sort of conservative on some
issues takes, then the heat gets turned up. Now it
flips over into this and like you pointed out, I mean,
I'm not I didn't. I didn't follow a lot of
Lauren Chen's content, but what I have seen from her
seemed to be fairly middle of the I mean, there
wasn't anything super edgy.
Speaker 4: That's not that I've seen. I don't follow her either,
just the clips I've seen. It's just basic takes like
oh look at look at the the woke mob is
kind of crazy, don't you think, guys, like maybe we
shouldn't give a bunch of money to Ukrainians, and you know,
it seemed like normal stuff that you maybe see some
of it on Fox News.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean she debated Andrew and they had
this debate over you know, she had a very kind
of standard approach to what Christian marriage is. Nothing radical
or over the edge.
Speaker 4: Definitely not a far right extremist or extreet you know, Like.
Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. Like the I think what
they're doing is they're sort of right, they're going down
the line of anyone anti establishment, whether you're far right,
whether you're you know, middle of the road libertarian conservative,
Like they're sort of just going down the list, I think,
sort of going after anyone that can can have any
kind of influence or called rucus. And so seemed to
be a timely thing that they rolled out, particularly because
probably this is my analysis, Temple was saying that he
was going to try to take legal action against Kamala
for editing the videos of him to make him say
something else. The very next day, Kamala and her crew
roll this out. So they might have been sitting on
this for a while to use at the opportune time.
And if you recall going all the way back to
twenty sixteen. It wasn't just Trump, but Alex was called
Russian agent for a couple of years. Of course, Soccer
was Russian agent for several years. Rogan was Russian agent
at one point. So essentially, this is what they do
to anyone in alternative media that is in any way
anti DNC and perhaps even uniparty RNC Rhino establishment. So
it's just a thing they constantly roll out. But I
mean it's not that extreme because, like you pointed out,
I don't think Temple really needed tenant media. It's not
like it was some massive thing that he was was,
uh that was gonna take it to the next level.
Speaker 4: I mean, like yeah, like Timpoole's operation is not the
you know, the house that Russia built or something like that.
But well I.
Speaker 2: Remember, so you know, uh Tim was on there and
he debated with Rollo and and uh Tim Poole, Tim
Gordon Rachel was on there debating with people two or three.
I mean I've I've seen.
Speaker 4: Maybe like all those people are clearly a few of those.
Speaker 2: Debates and like and the but the they had maybe
ten twenty thirty thousand views on something. It's like it
wasn't even like you know, I can get that on
my channel, So you know, like you said, sixty million
views in two years is not even that big of
a deal.
Speaker 4: So this was not I mean it is it seemed
like it was a lot of money considering the amount
of views, right, Like, I mean, considering the amount of views,
that is a lot of money.
Speaker 2: But maybe the fault. I mean, if all that stuff
is accurate or true, maybe the thought was it would
grow into something more.
Speaker 4: But of course, of course, and and to take that money. Yeah,
you know again, like I I haven't read the entire indictment,
which is not indicting Chen Timpoole. None of these people
are actually being indicted.
Speaker 2: These are two people will never be indicted.
Speaker 4: So I mean, look, in all reality, this could be
an indictment against two pseudonyms of people that don't even exist, right,
like it because it is so easy to fund any
alt media operation through a shell game of you know,
essentially you know, anonymous.
Speaker 2: With the vegans in the Saudis, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well we've talked about I've talked about this even
with just alt media in general. How it's so easy
for somebody to just start making anonymous bitcoin donations, or
get contact somebody through email and say hey, I like
your content, you know, let me drop you a couple
will BETC bro like I got rich off BTC I bought,
you know, I bought. I bought in early at two
cents and I got all this sitting around these There
are ways that you can influence content, fun content, promote
content very easily through who.
Speaker 2: Was it that was paying like earthling ed and all
those people who.
Speaker 4: Was Yeah, a lot of the vegans and the vegan
activists are all funded by the Saudi guy called Prince
Alwalid beIN Tallal. He's this major Saudi prince's son, and
he's got all these little Silicon valley startups and it's
really involved in some some projects for like smart City
twenty thirty type stuff. And his dad was actually arrested
under during the Trump administration. His father was arrested by
the current Saudi regime for some sort of intrigues that
he had. His ex wife can actually accused him of
being a human trafficker. I mean, these are like super
shady Saudi guy and his he his going back to
bond his yacht that he has sold to Donald Trump
in like the eighties or nineties was actually used. Is
that the.
Speaker 2: Yacht?
Speaker 4: I think it might have gone to Koshogi, but originally Prince.
Speaker 2: It was in the Bond movie. Yeah, that's it. In
Whitney's book, she has the first chapter where she talks
about how Koshogi was using the yacht as a kind
of floating mini Epstein situation.
Speaker 4: Interesting, I don't it might have been the same one.
It might have gone through Koshogi, but this yacht was
used in a Bond film, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that. Yeah, so on an old
streaming and you did it. So I think you're right
about that.
Speaker 4: So he would openly fund like all these vegan YouTube
channels and then also be kind of a secret funder, right,
But you know, of course nobody's concerned about you know,
Saudi Prince funding vegan activists throughout the West to influence uh,
you know, behavior dietarily and culturally and you know, attack
small family farms and all this. Nobody's concerned about that
at all. But it's all it's really easy to just
set up, you know, some pseudonyms or have I mean,
in any intelligence agency, you can get in there fund
any operation they want. And maybe like you know, fed
jacket it and make it look like it's some Russians.
Then blame the person receiving the money or you know,
fed jacket them and make it seem like it's some
sort of you know, Chinese, even any any country you
want it can you can make it seem like they are,
you know, funding in operation. It's not very hard. You
don't have to be that intelligent to do it.
Speaker 2: This is an eighty six million dollar yacht, and uh,
at one time Trump was the owner of it.
Speaker 4: Most of the nut yacht's name, it's a funny name.
Speaker 2: It's called the Yes, it's right here, it's called the
the Nobila.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's right. I thought it was something else.
I thought it was like an English name that was
that was.
Speaker 2: Pretty his eighty six million dollars super yacht, The Nobila
nearly broke the shipyard. But you said there was and
it's this, Yes, this is it because when you search
for it, all while bintil all comes up. The Nabila
yacht was named the Trump Princess when he took it over.
It was in Never Say Never Again, the nineteenth three
James Bond movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, it's funny, we go full circle. The
vegan activists can connect to the Stein operation in some way.
Speaker 2: That's great if you if you look up the first
chapter or first or second chapter of Whitney's book, the
second volume, it deals with they were bringing in like
foreign I forget which nationality prostitutes and it was rigged
up with like cameras. The yacht had like cameras to
film because Kashowgi was working for the establishment to to
blackmail people basede and he he was he was connected
to Epstein like they were frea. They had some connection.
Oh man based did you say Based?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Sorry, how's the connection? Guys? I think I'm YouTube on
the back end is saying I got a poor connection
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Sultan of Brune was Epstein's Jeff Stiny
McCaffrey's landlord during this time period, and this I think
is the means by which he's introduced to add non koshogi.
And it says that Jeff Stein may have been first
exposed to this idea of blackmail operations through the proximity
to Kohne Gray and Koshogi. In fact, he was in
close proximity to Koshogi himself. And this is a possibility
that is linking. This links then Epstein to the BCCI
affair in the nineteen It doesn't say what year this is,
but the John Kerry Hank Brown investigation too, the BCCI
uncovered that the bank, which was located in Pakistan, was
utilized in blackmail operations through the yacht and the bringing
in of Pakistani women and men for parties on the
yacht where it could be filmed. And these are Pakistani
guys and girls ages sixteen to twenty. This is before
Trump owns the yacht. This is back in the late
seventies early eighties. Trump, by the by, he got in
nineteen eighty eight from Kashoge. But anyway, so there is
basically the mini pre Jeff Stin McCaffrey operation on this
famous yacht.
Speaker 4: That crazy as wow, well it's it's amazing to you
look at.
Speaker 2: How nineteen Yeah and weapons he's a weapons uh dealer
for this?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, we didn't we didn't mention that big
international weapons dealer, super sketchy guy involved with tons of
very powerful people. He's, uh, how do you how do
you die?
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 4: I think you get murdered.
Speaker 2: He also comes up as drug I think the drug
trafficker in the famous McCoy book on c in the
drug trade, well.
Speaker 4: The drug trade, weapons trade, and the trade in humans,
right in human trafficking.
Speaker 2: Closely the Whitney web book correct.
Speaker 4: Closely linked and very much uh you know tools of
black ops type stuff. I mean these are known to
be used to fund black ops type actions, the crack
cocaine stuff that was happening in the eighties, the Ali
North stuff. Ye yeah, so yeah, Wow. It's just it's incredible.
It's staggering just the level of interconnectedness with so much
of so many of these operations. And you know, back
to the Epstein op, this is something that was used
to influence people in media in academia and his Glenne
Maxwell and the sisters and the Promise software and all
of their connections to with getting back doors in software
that was used for interagency communication through out intelligence agencies
in the US.
Speaker 2: Did you know they invented what was the Netscape navigator
and the Karda isn't that crazy.
Speaker 4: Oh that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a Gislaine invention. Well, her, her sister
and her brother. I think we're all connected on that
and they sold it to gil Bates.
Speaker 4: Wow, there you go, there you go. So I mean,
but yeah, all this stuff, you know, and remember these
are you know, not foreign agents, these are these are
good people. They're just you know, business people. And this
is all okay, it's all okay. Now, I'm not trying
to you know, if there is influence from any foreign country,
you know, in order to propagandaize, I'm not We're not
running apologetics for this, just simply pointing out that shouldn't
we be consistent, shouldn't we be consistent in uh, you know,
who's being called out prosecuted for, you know, illegal activity.
And yeah, it's it's pretty crazy the level of interference
that's happened from certain countries in the in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: Well, it's fascinating too to think about. Like the origin
of search engines, Netscape, Navigator, online Encyclopedia, the idea was
originally hatched by people working in intelligence and blackmail. All right,
to have quick access for files and presumably I need
to access all the dirt I've got on Tristan right,
which you have none on me if it would come
up under the queer theory chapters like vast volumes of
black mail.
Speaker 4: Right there, I go clean my Netscape navigator.
Speaker 2: Clear.
Speaker 4: Wait if I delete my cookies on Netscape Navigator, Glene
Maxwell won't know, right, go back.
Speaker 2: To the Nescape act. That's unfortunate because she already sold
all your cookies to Bill Gates from Escape. So now
Bill Gates, that's a good one.
Speaker 4: So my freaking girl scout cookies at Bill Gates, My
thin mince? What this is what the ladies call my cookies?
Thin mince? The oh? I had another another idea, but
just just skipped my mind of those dumb jokes. But yeah,
what were you gonna say? So your flipping to a page.
Speaker 2: Johnny Chung, That's who I was trying to think of.
One of the key characters in the Clinton the China
Gate scandal was a Chinese operative working with the Clinton's
Al Gore went and visited China and at this time
as well, So basically they were working with all these
entities that I think this is probably why. Yeah, the
Confucian Society and all this set up that was allowed
for so long, and that was one of the controversial
things Trump did was to shut down a lot of
these foreign Chinese operations. I mean, confused society may still
be here, but it was a big deal twenty seventeen
somewhere in there when Trump banned all of the Chinese
foreign exchange stuff, which.
Speaker 4: Was, ah, yeah, I was wondering what you're talking about.
I remember that now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was Trump trying to reverse some of
this like Clinton stuff that they had put in place there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it seems like there was at least a
level of that rivalry that was that was legitimate. I
mean a lot of people speculated, oh, you know, he
was just saying lock her up just to get elected.
He was just trying to get it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Whitney rebbed. She lists Clinton's connections to Charlie Tree,
the Tati Group, the Lippo group, ing Lap Singh, all
of which were connected to People's Republic of China fronts.
So they're like they're deeply into.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised, you're.
Speaker 2: Like an FBI like chart board to draw, you know
what I mean, Like how.
Speaker 4: They have like all the yeah, the conspiracy theory thing
from whatever show that's from. I'm surprised your web book
held up the binding on the physical copy held up
so well, because mine, like, I don't know, like the
publisher apart. Yeah. Yeah, the glue was really bad and
it started falling apart just when I was in like
the first few chapters. I haven't even gotten to the
second book, but it's Yeah, it's dense, it's really well done.
Webb's book there, we've covered a lot. Man, you got
any other thoughts on how you know, We've talked about Bond,
We've talked about you know, social engineering and the role
of mass media. We didn't get too much into that,
but I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I can go anywhere you want. I mean, I
got this history of Tavistock that's an academic publication, which
is pretty wild, has a lot of admissions in that.
But I recently obtained I've got a book on mocking Bird.
We didn't go too deep into the mocking Bird.
Speaker 4: But we should do a whole Let's do a whole
show on Tavistock. I'd love to. I've got a book
on Tavistock that I've yet to delve into. Also, No,
there's the old Stulan book. But I don't know if
that one's any good.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it's a lot of resetting what's
in the John Coleman book. But I branched out and
I've actually gotten some of that.
Speaker 4: Coleman wrote a book on Tavistok or his committee in
three hundred. It's separate from the Committee three hundred book.
Speaker 2: Interesting, it was out of print forever, no never, and
I finally got it. So it's back in print.
Speaker 4: It's back at all. I have to get a copy
of that. Is the comedy book in print?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 4: Is it the other the Committee of three hundred book
in print?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 4: It's kind of fallen apart. It was expensive for a while.
Speaker 2: Now I've crossed reference because a lot of people complain
that Coleman didn't do very good with footnotes and references,
which is a fair critigue. But in this official history
of Tavistock, I have been able to back up a
lot of the claims.
Speaker 4: Who's the publisher of that one? That hard to get?
Is it hard to find? O?
Speaker 2: No, it's a famous academic it's Retligh, which is a
famous academic culture.
Speaker 4: Okay, so those are always kind of expensive too, though.
Was it like seventy bucks for the No, this more
like forty or fifty. But okay, that's funny. All all
the all the university books, they're like one hundred bucks
for a soft right soft back.
Speaker 2: Also, I mean this is uh Tavistoka jacent. So I've
only got Walter Littman's book.
Speaker 4: Ah, yeah, I've got a printed copy of that. It's
not nice and bound. That's a good one. Sweet, I do.
I'd like to I'd like to do a Tavistoking Institute
one soon. I actually I started reading Public Opinion. It's
a little bit drab, like it's kind of like, it's
kind of you know, it's good, but it's you're looking
at the early days of of PR And I don't
like how Litman writes. He kind of writes in an
annoying way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, read, but there's all yeah, we can't forget. Did
you ever read this classic? Oh?
Speaker 4: Brene is of course? Yeah, brenees and Litman. That'd be
better to do those together, because Litman is not as
fun as Brene's.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: You know, his nephew is his nephew or his grandson
that owns Netflix, yeah, or former CEO or the founder
of Netflix. So yeah, yeah, Matt, mass media espionage, social engineering, bondology. Clearly,
you know these are all I.
Speaker 2: Can always go off in the Bond stuff for a
long time. You want to wrap it up or do
you want to keep going? I don't care the way,
whatever you wants.
Speaker 4: Either way, man, either way, I'm just getting a little
tired here. I feel like we could wrap it. Sometimes
I go way too long, and I feel like I
could have just split that up into some you know,
leave some, leave some for.
Speaker 2: Dessert, so we can say some more stuff for specific
Bond They could do a whole h I've done like
probably thirty Bond streams on this or that Bond movie, novel, whatever. Right,
there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff packed
in those that's pretty fascinating. Nice man, And actually one
of the key operatives that not many people know who
is one of the big influences, the most famous, one
of the most famous Jewish operatives out there, was Sidney Riley.
Speaker 4: I'd never heard of Huh, never heard of Sidney Riley?
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, he's he's key because he comes up
in the Rakovsk interrogation as sort of the right hand
operative of Ralph Chold. And so there's a lot of
literature out there. But doctor Richard Spence, who's public published
at trin Day. Before he was at trin Day, he
wrote this whole history of Sidney Riley and there's other ones.
This is a pretty kind of pop pop book on him.
He's again famous influence on James Bond. But well he's
important because he's famous.
Speaker 4: Wait, why does it have the couples in the background?
Is he he's Russian?
Speaker 2: No? Well, that's the thing is like, was the British
intelligence operative or was he a Soviet Bolshevik communist?
Speaker 4: A much like Victor Victor Rosschild.
Speaker 2: And that's what the recopsk interrogation alleges about him. I've
not yet read uh, doctor Spencer's book on him, but
I think it's probably the case. I don't know what
Spencer's thesis is, but yeah, he's a character, and they'd
made a whole movie or a whole series about him. Uh,
who's that? Who's that? Who's the guy in un't it?
It's the guy in Jurassic Park? Remember him?
Speaker 4: Which one?
Speaker 2: Original one? The doctor in the original one, the British guy. No, not.
Speaker 4: The doctor.
Speaker 2: Which doctor the paleontologist?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Grant, doctor Graham. What's his name?
Speaker 2: He plays Sidney Riley and the British show.
Speaker 4: He's an easy Is he actually British or is he Americans?
He's pretty he's got an accent in that film.
Speaker 2: Sam Neil, Yes, Sam Neil plays Sidney Riley in an
entire series that the British BBC made.
Speaker 4: What year was that made?
Speaker 2: Eighties? It's called Riley as Spies. It's pretty famous spy series.
But people don't know, like, wait a minute, this is
actually like this is the real Illuminati, right, because this
is the people are working for, like Rachel.
Speaker 4: So right, and and also you know, crossing the crossing
over into the Soviet influenced blog, playing both sides exactly. Well,
there seemed to be aspects of this with with this current.
You know, there's always a stamp of that of like this,
you know, you're always unsure or well, what's the what's
even the intention here?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: So like you I think that's kind of a signature
of these intelligence operations and that like you know, you
can't make it too blatantly obvious, and you can sometimes
they'll cast a wide net and you know, the different
things that they're trying to influence. But yeah, that were
living in that gray area. You know, it's a good movie.
Uh it's maybe. What do you think about The Good Shepherd?
You like The Good Shepherd?
Speaker 2: Well, it has it has the at the beginning, is
it Stephen fry In He the gay handler, one of
the one of the handlers. Maybe it's not the price
of the other British actor, but well.
Speaker 4: There's what's his face? Oh my goodness, Caine. Michael Kaine's
in there too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the other guy who is the one that
trains Matt Damon and spycraft.
Speaker 4: The British intelligence guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's making this this point that oss is set
up by British intelligence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And there's some reference in there. He calls it,
you know, the Dark Arts. I think Michael Kaine uses
the term the Dark Arts, the use its training in
the dock rots. That's I know. I enjoyed The Good Shepherd.
I think I watched it a few times, like the
revisit that it's a little long, not yeah, is a.
Speaker 2: Little long and slow, but it's pretty accurate.
Speaker 4: I do like I kind of like long films though,
you know, I mean the extended versions of the Lord
of the Ring trilogy like those are did you're not
going to say? For four hours and watch?
Speaker 2: I liked those too. I mean I like the long
Dune films. Did you be the new Mad Max? It
was pretty long? No?
Speaker 4: You, both you and my brother said that it was
that it was good.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you filter out like the feminist stuff.
Speaker 4: Otherwise, yeah, just as like an entertaining film, like a
Mad maxim But I guess Mad Max always the what's
his name, frank, uh, what's a good? George Miller? He
said that the original Mad Max were also feminist. You know,
he's made the claim that these were it was always feminist.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's true, because the villains in one
and two are clearly skittles. There's nothing feminist in part
one or two. You could argue that maybe Tina Turner
is the first emergence of something quasi feminist.
Speaker 4: I don't know what his justification was, but yeah, he's
just revising. He's like, no, I promise, I'm always I'm
not ant.
Speaker 2: Remember jk Rowling did this too, where it's like, oh,
by the way, okay, fine, Dumbledore was gay.
Speaker 4: Yeah he was trans Harry Potter's trans It's okay. I'm
not a big nothing at.
Speaker 2: The time that suggested that. I'm not even that I
don't care about defending Harry Potter. I just I think
a lot of these people retroactively will say this for
social justice.
Speaker 4: I thought it was just the actor that was gay.
She actually legit said that he himself, the character Dumbledore
was was a gay.
Speaker 2: I don't know something like that, but I mean people
do this retroactively where they're like, you know, I mean
they said SpongeBob supposed to be gay, right, we see that.
Speaker 4: I always thought that show was pretty gay.
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny. But I'm just saying like
there was nothing at the time that was explicitly showing
that they're retroactively going back and saying right for i
think for virtue signaling social justice reasons. Oh everyone and
they're all gay. Everyone was gay, right, I'm serious. They're
going to start saying like they're doing this with Star Wars, right,
they're rewriting Star Wars now to be all of these
you know, women characters and whatnot, which is failing.
Speaker 4: There was another one recently too, where they tried to like,
oh yeah, these these trends are gay, by the way. No,
that's a that's a huge trend.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: We were always we were always this progressive. We promise
we were.
Speaker 1: We were.
Speaker 4: We were trying, we were smashing the fash and fighting
the patriarchy.
Speaker 2: James Bond was always secretly gay. I'm serious.
Speaker 4: I mean that's like, that's coming, right, that's coming now.
He was compensating. He was hyper compensating. Oh, you know
what masculinity now that I think of it.
Speaker 2: When I had a Shakespeare class in office of grad
school or undergrad, but the professor who was total shit
live like, he was trying to argue that, oh, this
is you know, Shakespeare's repressed, you know, queer whatever. I mean,
they just do this about everything. Everything is repressed, queer
writing Hamlet was gay, Yeah, exactly, this kind of stuff
that's true. But they'll say it. I mean, they're blasphemous.
And they'll say about the Bible too, be like, oh,
I mean, I don't mean to be blasphemous, but they'll say, well,
when Jesus rests on John, the disciples breast, that's a
clear sign of this is snuggling.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're so gay, Like the professor are so gay
that they'll they'll everything is gay.
Speaker 4: That's a giant becomes a giant projection. What's that becomes
a huge projection.
Speaker 2: Right, exactly, That's what I'm trying.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that kind of relates to to the well,
everybody's everyone's a fed, everyone's a you know, look at
these people. They're they're Russian bots, They're they're taking money
from Russia.
Speaker 2: Remember Kinsey too, Remember when Kinsey put out his studies
that vindicated the claim supposedly through quote science, which turns
out it was all like fraudulent, But that allowed academia
to say, oh, actually turns out everyone is gay. It's
just a spectrum. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, like, well, Jim Jones, everyone is gay. Jim Jones
whole thing was everyone is gay except him. Every man
in the world is gay except Jim Jones. And he
would help to prove this to them by sodomizing the
men to prove the It was like the most twisted thing,
everyone else is gay, sent me, and I'll prove it
to you by doing gay acts to you. I'll condescend
to you because I'm such a good guy, and I'll
prove to you that you're gay, but I'm not. But
I'll do the gross. It's really gross, but I'll do it.
It's like what right, Yeah, yeah, well hey man, let's uh,
I'm gonna wrap it up. I don't want to take
too much your time here, it's getting a little late.
But yeah, i'd love to do some Uh you know
that we got that way with Walter Littman and and
Burnet's you. We have to tie that into something fun too,
Tavistock and tie that we can maybe do Beatles Tavistock.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of connections there.
Speaker 2: If you don't have a a physical copy. I did
find somebody uploaded the entire audio of Coleman's Tavistoc book.
Speaker 4: If you want that, let me check if I got
the physical copy, I'll let you know. I think I
do have.
Speaker 2: It is out by the way it is reprinted, so
you can't get the physical copy.
Speaker 4: I think I have a lot of books that are
at my mother in law's house still that we want
to get shipped. But yeah, I have stored stored a
lot of books there unless she got rid of them.
She might won't be mad if she got rid of them.
Boxes and boxes of them. But yeah, we'll do that.
We'll do the thing. We do the thing. Maybe we
should do some some movie reviews to coming up.
Speaker 2: Absolutely great chat Man, Thanks for cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got to you've got a show coming up
tomorrow night or when you when are you gonna do
your debate? Stream You set up a debate today.
Speaker 2: Afternoon because Cotel was streaming, and then I think Sunday
I'll be on a show with Shane Cashman.
Speaker 4: For that name, who's Shane Cashman?
Speaker 2: It sounds familiar, Temple buddy libertarian guy.
Speaker 4: Oh you get those get them rubles? Huh.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure we wants to talk about.
Speaker 4: But you wear your KG beanie on that one too.
I like that Jay's handler. Jay's handler's out there. Anybody
that has ever met Tim Poole, Now, I'm sure that
people Tim Poole associate rushouldn't bought Yeah, through six, you're
gonna get six degrees of separation. I'm now a Tim Poole.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, I I probably have a whole closet full
of KG beanies because I know Jay and Jay has
personally met and been on Tim pool.
Speaker 2: That was pretty funny. Mark Dice put up a picture
of him wearing a beanie with like the Soviet.
Speaker 4: That that's funny. That's why I've got on the thumbnail here.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to Soviet beanie now that'll
be funny, like next time if I go back on Tim, I.
Speaker 4: Don't even you can't even see it. But yeah, that's
the background of the of our thing right here. We
got James Bond from the from Russia with love with
a with a KGB beanie on in honor of In
honor of comrade pool tim Well bro brother brother j Danovich.
We thank you very much for coming.
Speaker 2: I'll send you the Dugan coin I owe you after this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, three three d g N coin three point zero
DGN equals one beat DC in mal Ussia. Uh La
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