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Speaker 1: Mirrors and incense and drugs, and then the revelation at the.

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Speaker 2: End of the ancient mystery. I think.

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Speaker 1: All reality is just one. It is being itself. Look

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within you or that game. That's the great mystery that

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at the end of your by the way, to be

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one of the misty Eye, you study for like twenty

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or thirty years.

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Speaker 2: What if it's like a giant.

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Speaker 1: It's like an ancient super scam, right, Like you studied

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for twenty thirty years to become one of the initiates

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of the ancient mystry, and then the mystery is literally

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the same ship that Gur just says, uh the other.

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Speaker 3: Letters, it's amazing, just like whoa bro, Just just look

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in the mirror, bro, just look in the mirror. You're

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literally everything like some surfer ship.

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Speaker 4: You are everything. You are everything. So that's it. Got

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you were Johnny Utah? Are you kidding me? Well, you

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don't even know his name Johnny Utah. Yeah, except it

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was what literally me said to literally me, because I'm

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everything and everyone, I'm everything and everyone based and you're

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everything and everyone cringed, and I just manifested you to

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I only manifested you to make Yeah, I only I

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only manifested you so that I could remind myself of

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my base cringe. The cosmic baseness is what they call me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm gonna I'm invoking Ali against you, so

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Ali will strike you from the heavens. You're gonna have

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like Iranian simpters raining down on you from the heavens. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I would have manifested that too, and I'll just

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unmanifested so you can't do anything about it. Bye bye,

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unmanifested that All right, We're good now, Jay's unmuted. Jay

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was just preaching to me from his his new his

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new books. He's kind of working. He's where he's running

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his script for the new cult he's building. It's going

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to be based on the works of Gerchief, which a

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little with a little bit of Terrence McKenna, I was.

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I was pitching him on how he has to use

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our newly discovered Terrence McKenna psychological manipulation technique of convincing

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the women that all the men in the world are

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toxic and that we need to get rid of them

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in order that we can be the only men so

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that we can be in charge of of course, lovingly

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and philanthropically helping to service all of the.

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Speaker 2: Lazers roundabout way of spitting game. But I'll give Terrence

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McKenna some credit for that. He's got that death cult

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game going on, right, He's like he's spitting game and

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he realizes that I can just get rid of all

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the men. Bro it's me and like a zillion women.

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Speaker 5: All of the people that make me feel uncomfortable should

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not exist because I am the center of the I

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am in the center of the eye of the third

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eye of the cosmic Buddha in the universe.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, obviously, Yeah, I'm here evident until now and

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I do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's show self evident. I'm here with Jay Dier

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a K A body, a k A Johnny Utah a

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k A young boomer you all you all know Jay Dyer,

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right you titled titles, many titles. He is a he

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is a Bondologist. He's a James Bondologist. He did his

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seventh or eighth PhD. I forget which one in in

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bondology under doctor Gregor. Correct, yeah, under doctor Gregor in

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Advanced Bond Studies. Also uh, Bond Girl Studies, which is

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now Bond Women's Studies.

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Speaker 1: UH.

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Speaker 4: With an X instead of an oh.

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Speaker 2: Obviously you want to know what's funny about that? Is?

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I kid you not? Because I had to buy a

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whole lot of bondology studies. You can, as you can imagine,

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as we get more and more contemporary, the Bond studies

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turn in more and more into queer theory and Bond

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male toxic masculinity and Bond that's all.

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Speaker 4: About for sure. Well you see you see this in

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the media dialogue concerning the new Bond films when they

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come out. That's always a part of it of like

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when are we going to get a black man? Like

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when are we going to get a black woman? And

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the last one I didn't see the last one, did

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you like the most recent one that was released.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as a movie, it was a it was

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an okay film, But I mean the whole purpose of

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No Time to Die was like, hey, old white man

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in your colonization, it's time for you to die, bro.

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Speaker 4: So as Terence McKenna wrote that, and I will be

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in charge of all the Bond ladies and they will

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be be badonka dunk wielding black ladies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And his poly poly cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah is what was it a quintuple or an octople

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the new. We need a we need a black woman

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to be the book.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, the lead female character in I mean they

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had two or three Bond girls as usual in in

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the the new one. Who's that Latino chick that everybody

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thinks is hot, you know, the girl from A Blade

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Rounder twenty forty nine. She's the operating system girlfriend of.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, literally mean's girlfriend and there she and a Dharmas.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's her, she's in it. But then the other

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Bond girl is the black girl that you're talking about,

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and she's the new double oh seven in the story.

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it passes on to baysed black woman.

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Speaker 4: Is she even? Does she have redeeming qualities in the field? Like,

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what are her supposed She's not like sassy or something?

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Speaker 2: Is she she's sassy? Black woman?

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? They made her sassy? She's English?

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Speaker 2: She talked ship to James Bond.

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Speaker 4: But she's English or she like an American.

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Speaker 2: She's British or she's from.

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Speaker 4: Botswana.

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Speaker 2: He goes to. Uh it's there's a nod to GoldenEye,

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which is Ian Fleming's estate in Jamaica.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's actually what he called is a state.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bond, my mom's been to. It's pretty cool. Uh

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So she Bond goes in the movie to Jamaica as

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a nod to that, and then that's where he meets her.

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I can't remember she's Jamaican or British. I think she's British.

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Speaker 4: That'd be so funny if she was Jamaican. But she

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would like big up, big up to the James Bond. James,

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but why you be up?

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Speaker 6: She was like a aster assassin, James Bond, James Bomber

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clad more like a James Bomber clap.

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Speaker 2: We say, me only killing the people that Barbylon tells

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me to kill. Even though I'm working for Barbylon, I'm

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also gonna fight.

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Speaker 6: We got you call him James Bond, We call him

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James Barbylon man, James b Bobbylon system. They keep James Bond.

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They make James Bond and white devil a bald head.

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You're the bald head, white devil, James Bond were the

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true black, were the true black queen of this place,

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Queen Elizabeth, she really a black woman.

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Speaker 4: She's black exactly all the hair and.

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Speaker 2: Was sharing the old the classic icons or black people

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stuff today.

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Speaker 3: Look at it.

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Speaker 2: What that is? That's a that's bank radio.

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Speaker 4: That's a black man. Hey yeah, yeah, wool and here

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wood hair is wooly? Who has wooly hair? Dude, He's

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like two steps away from like, you're gonna be my slave,

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Jay Die, you can be my slave in the after

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Life's white devil, we take over. You be my slave,

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kiss my boot jay Dayah pledge allegiance to the to

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the Black Hebrew is reeal lights.

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Speaker 2: The one is that you can tell like his extreme

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arrogance is what keeps him so stupid. He's like the

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greatest Dunning Krigger of all time.

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Speaker 4: I love it. Got a character here, guys, We got

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a fun show tonight. Uh thanks for coming on, Jay.

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I always appreciate it. The biggest figots always demand this.

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They demand the man these more, almost more than anything.

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So we gotta do some more movie reviews soon too.

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Speaker 2: And I'd like to talk about more than words more

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than words to show you how I fee you that

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show love for me? You re remember? Extreme?

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Speaker 4: What what say? Is just like one of these night

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teen thirty songs from your childhood? Jay, more than words?

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Speaker 2: You don't know that song? I don't know. Oh my goodness,

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you're a faget millennial. You know that song?

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Speaker 4: You actually know who is that is? Like ninety eight

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degrees or something?

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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: You have to know this.

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Speaker 4: I literally don't.

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Speaker 2: You know all these nineties songs, and then whenever I

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start singing them, you're like, never heard of it?

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Speaker 4: Just gaslight you into thinking acting no. It's like an

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automatic reaction. It's you know, my my as the as

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the what was that the sex positive psychotherapist we saw

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last night? I was a full body no. When Jay

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thinks full body no, I legit have never heard that

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song though.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean it only has almost one billion views.

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Extreme more than words. Those two long haired nineties dudes.

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Speaker 4: I'm a trad millennial. I know two bands, Creed and Creed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this would be like ninety ninety one, ninety two.

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How old were you even? Were you like four nineteen

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ninety one? I don't even know, No, Jay, I was

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four and a half. Probably many of the audience will

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know more than words by extreme. I guarantee that.

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Speaker 4: Extreme. That's wait, No, I would, I would. I wouldn't

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remember songs from when I was actually when I was four,

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ninety seven, I'd remember a lot of the pop songs.

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Speaker 2: This is like ninety one, two three, when there it was.

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Speaker 4: Before my before my days, my friend that was my

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you know, I was, I was. I was watching Sesame Street.

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Speaker 2: Freaking.

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Speaker 4: What else was I I don't know what I was

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consuming media. I was consuming what.

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Speaker 2: I will assure you that if you you you will

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probably like that song. I don't care for it, but

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I it's a it's a Tristan.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this song sucks. But you'll probably know this

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song is awful and everybody that likes it sucks, so

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you'd probably really like it. You're the only thing you

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would say, this is exactly what the type of thing

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that you would say. Well, so, on orders from my

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r KGB handlers, we are here to discuss the recent

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revelations and how these kind of tie in with historical

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use of mass media for psychological operations. Cultural engineering, steering

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people socially politically, and you know who better to have

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on to talk about some of this stuff than mister

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j Di er KGB sorcerer himself. So yeah, we got

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Did you get a chance to read any of that indictment?

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The indictment which was not actually levied at Tim Poole

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or even Lauren Chen. The indictment was of two people,

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two Russians that were going under pseudonyms and allegedly funding

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that YouTube channel called Tenet Media, the fund of this

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YouTube channel called Tenant Media, and apparently allegedly the owners

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of these companies of this company. I think there were

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actually two companies that were being used to push money

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into this YouTube channel, which actually when you look at

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the channel didn't have that many views considering the people

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that were involved with it. Tim Poole came out today.

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He talked to Ben Shapiro. He's one of Jay's heroes.

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Speaker 2: He's like Jay models his whole I call it benj.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's Jay's north star, so he's he really looks

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up to him, and so he was. He talked to

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Ben's Shaphro, a shape hero as Jay calls him, and

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he said that well, all we did was actually licensed

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content that we already had on our Culture War channel

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that would then be also on the Tenet Media channel,

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and they got a certain amount of money for it,

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which seems like for what Tim Poole's doing and for

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what his operation has is scaled at, it was kind

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of minuscule. From what Pool said, It's like it was

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kind of inconsequential money now to somebody, like not somebody

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like Jay, because Jay, I mean, I mean, look at

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look at the guy. Look at the shirt. I mean

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this he's wearing. I mean that that shirt. Yeah, look

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at that Rolex he's got. Like we don't look at

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a Rolex AOC fud Look it up, I have the

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same watch as AOC. I'm proud of that. I'm very

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it was it was inconsequential amount of money for for

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mister Tim Poole. But allegedly the owners of the company

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that were funding this YouTube channel, Tenant Media, were getting

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Russian money. We're told this is Russian money, and apparently

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this is enough to make somebody a Russian agent. Right,

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for any business dealing at all, apparently you're you're now

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a Russian agent. We've got people jumping all over this,

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anybody who's got an ax to grind with Tim Poole.

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And I'm not here like trying to like show for

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Tim Poole, nor am I here to hate on Tim Poole.

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But uh, you know, everybody, you got guys like Hassan, Destiny.

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Hassan and Destiny saying, oh he knew it. He's a

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Russian agent. He's a Russian agent. We gotta you know,

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we got to back Ukraine. You know Slava Ukrainey, you

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know Glori. It is reel. So this is this is

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the narrative that's coming out now. There's this DJ indictment

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that is causing a big hullabaloo, and we've got essentially

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a new Russia Gate. So I think that's that's a

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basic outline of it. Most of the details that I'm

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familiar with. I was looking at the indictment earlier. It

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seems rather tame. There are some d ms from Discord

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included there which the media is trying to portray this

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as all they're openly shilling for Russia, and uh yeah,

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well away for more information to come out and see

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what I'd like to see what Chen has to say,

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what Lauren Chen has to say. Everybody, not everybody, but

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a lot of people are jumping all over and acting like, oh, well,

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she's clearly a subversive agent, and the people who are

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on the some of the people who are on the

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right are saying, well, she was put in there to

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create division right before the election and try and sway

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certain voters using single issue wedges to not vote at

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all and abstain from voting for Trump, which would then

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in turn benefit Kamala. The people like Vausch and all

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these other vous destiny Hassan MSNBCCNN type people are saying, well,

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this is clearly showing that everybody on the right wing,

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anybody that opposes US sending seven trillion dollars to Ukraine

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every month, and anybody who's vaguely critical of the actions

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of Israel. These people are all Russian shills, and the

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Russians are directly paying them in order to get Donald

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So those that's a basic overview of the narrative. There

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anything I forgot there?

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Speaker 2: Jay?

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Speaker 4: Then you've seen about this.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that covers the overview. Do you want

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to get into the specifics or do anything else?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Either way? I mean, as this whole case is

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somewhat interesting, but I think it really illustrates kind of

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the broader mechanisms for discrediting, creating disunity among certain political fronts,

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and you know, swaying the behavioral people.

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Speaker 2: Let's think back to say, ten twelve years ago, maybe

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even fifteen years ago, in terms of what was allowed

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for American media. If there was this serious threat, why

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did the West? Why did the US allow RT to

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operate so freely and so widely, giving it a massive

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platform on YouTube for many many years? If and everyone

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knew that RT was Russian state media. I mean it's

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almost like this was allowed to happen, and then they

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kind of let it sit there, and they let the

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influence happen as far as they perhaps wanted it to

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be there, so that then they could crack down on

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it and then use it as an excuse because if

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you remember, over the years, everybody from Larry King Larry

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who would go to the anchors at RT. Youah, people

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leave our t to go be in American pro American media.

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I can think of tons and tons of Alice Jones

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has been on our team many times over the years.

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So this was never an issue until it became politically

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useful to say when they concoct the whole Russian hoax

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narrative in twenty sixteen that Donald Trump had been at

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some point compromised. And we know that the Steele dossier

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was drawn up by former British intelligence people as a

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complete hoax. It was entirely fabricated. The original story actually

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related to a place, a hotel that the Obamas had

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stayed in. Now that doesn't mean that Obama was involved

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in some peace situation, but I wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 4: We don't know, Yeah, yeah, well we were. Remember the

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details were incredibly degenerate, right, It was kind of it

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was like this this crazy, you know, twisted fan fiction,

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highly pornographic of Trump doing gross stuff in a hotel

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room with some with some ladies of a night as.

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Speaker 2: And this was admitted eventually to be wholly concocted by

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Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence oppert who was obviously

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just working with Democrats in the US to concoct this

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kind of a nonsense.

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Speaker 4: And that goes back to the shows the international collusion there.

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I mean, so you've got you got collusion of British intelligence,

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you know, us the law enforcement. So now that's not

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foreign interference though, right when you've got British agents, that's fine.

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These are our friends. They're you know, we've got our

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greatest ally who's also you know, beyond reproach as far

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as funding media operations. You know, it's very hypocritical the

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way that this is being that this is being selectively

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used for selective outrage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that will tie in, uh to the espionage

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side of this, because the entire apparatus of the OS

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S and c A are set up by British intelligence operators.

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It's set up by literally Ian Fleming, Bill Donovan, Noel Coward,

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the playwright, and other people who came over WILLIAMS Stevenson

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from Canadian British intelligence who came and basically told Bill

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Donovan how to set up this British version of an

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intelligence apparatus. So again, the CIA has this long standing

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special relationship, as it's called, with the UK. But again,

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like you said, that's not foreign interference when other nation

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states that you can think of in the Middle East,

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and I don't just mean Israel, the Arab States also

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the Saudis promote, for example, Islam at a very wide

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scale in America and on social media. That's not for

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an event. Remember all the pay to play scandals for

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Hillary's campaign. It came out that all these dictators, Katari dictators,

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basically paying into Hillary's campaign. And then when Hillary took

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the office, she was going to divide up whatever country

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she went into destroy and you know, piece milhend it

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out to these these various Arab states.

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Speaker 4: So you know, this is like there are are allies.

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Speaker 2: So that's okay, right, okay, So if you're an ally,

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then it's fine. You can totally, you know, interfere in

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the elections all you want. And that's the point.

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Speaker 4: That's that's real. Hold on, let me let me reinforcing

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democracy exactly correct, reinforcing the democracy.

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Speaker 2: But wait a minute, Saudi Arabia, I'm pretty sure isn't

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a democracy, but.

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Speaker 4: You know, like, wait a minute, well I thought it's

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not racist, all right, let's we don't have to be

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racist about it. I mean, there's cultural differences and yeah, yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: Those are the good Muslims, the good Salafi Muslims like

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Jake and Daniel over in Saudi Arabia, they're the good guys.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, they help fight the Soviets in nineteen seventy nine,

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even though they're also the bad guys in World Trade

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Center nineteen ninety three in the Big nine event, they're

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also still the good guys at the same time, right,

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help me understand that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, Uh, I don't even know what the

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excuse would be there, like a high level of cognitive

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dissonance there. I can't even I can't even.

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Speaker 2: Role plays, right because the Goldstein is like a hero,

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but then he's a terror man and then he's a course.

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Speaker 4: It's like, of course, yeah, I've bin Laden was very

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much very much that character.

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Speaker 2: M I got way too ahead of him.

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Speaker 4: That was good. That's It's all actually very relevant here.

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I mean you mentioned the Saudist I mean what about well,

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now what we're seeing with this setup of what we're

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supposed to be. First of all, we're supposed to believe

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that we're mortal enemies with Russia, right Russia. We're basically

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there's this underlying assumption and this kind of presupposition that

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we're basically at war with Russia, like as like the

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whole of the West is at war with Russia. Ukraine,

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you know, we're acting almost like Ukraine. It's like some

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sort of a vassal state of the US and nay

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to a block. So I think that's pretty interesting. And

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then also he't goet the son of the sitting president

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involved in massive billions and billions of dollars of business

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deals with Barismo over there in Ukraine. You've got Biden

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bragging before the Council and was a Council on Foreign Relations,

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and that infamous clip where he brags about uh saying

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he's gonna stop this IMF money from getting to Ukraine

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unless they fire the prosecutor. That was kind of sniffing

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up the bomb of of of Hunter concerning the sketchy

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stuff that they were involved in. But yeah, in front

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of camera fired. Yeah, So but no, this is not collusion.

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This has nothing, you know, that's that's reinforcing.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing going on. Why would you think there's something

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going on there.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm saying that's not I'm saying this is normal,

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this is good, It's clearly fine. He also his his

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dealings with China, with Jina, you know, I mean the

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business dealings with China that are being done, with the

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back room stuff with certain political families, you know, the

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sitting president and his son as well. So there this

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stuff is supposed to be overlooked. I mean, I guess

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we're also supposed to pretend that China is somehow a

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mortal enemy of the US, and that China, you know,

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there's this imminent war with China that's been kind of

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the neocons have been pushing for this idea for a

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long time.

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Speaker 2: But you'll know that this is ok. There once again

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the DNC, and you know, going through Whitney Webb's book

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that the chapter on the relationship of the DNC going

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back to the Clinton period in what many people have forgotten,

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or if they're too young, they don't know about Chinagate.

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Chinagate was a big deal in the nineties during Clinton

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administration because all these scandals were coming out that at

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that time the Clinton circles had already well established themselves

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with Chinese spies, Chinese operatives, Chinese people coming over here

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and pushing scams, Ponzie scenes, all this kind of stuff.

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And I remember at the time there was like neo

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con outlets and conservative outlets that didn't like the Clinton's

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talking about how Bill Clinton's transferring our technology to China

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and sending it, and which I don't doubt. But when

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you really dig into it, if you read that chapter

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in Whitney's book about the DNC in China and China Gate,

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now that a lot of this makes sense because it's

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the same situation with the what you see with Hunter

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and all these people in not just China, but also,

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like you said, in Ukraine with Barisma.

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Speaker 4: So it's a really good boat man. And then when

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you look at the cultural the downstream cultural engineering effects

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of this, I mean, mass media didn't really cover China

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Gate to a great extent, right, I mean, there wasn't

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much criticism of the Clinton's.

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Speaker 2: Actually no, I mean it's just different because it's hard

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to say. I don't remember I remember it being discussed

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on CNN stuff, And when I went and looked at

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some the other day. I did find old CNN articles,

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old BBC articles, But like in nineteen ninety seven, eight

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ninety nine, like not many people were reading the internet.

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Speaker 4: You know, the Watergate, The whole Watergate situation was not Watergate.

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What was the other one? Not Watergate? With that hotel property?

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about the Clinton property scandals?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but there was a they had a there was

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a gate behind it.

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Speaker 2: It was a name.

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Speaker 4: I think about it, I'm thinking Watergate, not Watergate.

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Speaker 2: I thought that that had to do with like Clinton

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in Arkansas, land deals, right, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Land deals, and there was some resort type thing or

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hotel there. It was there was that took up a

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lot more media attention. And then I don't know if

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that was at the same time as China Gate, but

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that that was a big deal in the nineties. And

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it's you know, sometimes these little scandals that actually get

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focused on are kind of just there to distract you

470
00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:53,359
from things that you maybe would be a big deal,

471
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:55,079
right like when you think about China Gate and the

472
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,920
repercussions of this for the American middle class with Walmart, uh,

473
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the the massive explosion of Walmart Costco Sam's Club, all

474
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,799
these things with huge imports from China with very low

475
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:13,559
import duties, the offshore manufacturing that really started kickstarting NAFTA,

476
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,559
the NAFTA super Highway, stuff that they were trying to

477
00:27:16,599 --> 00:27:20,519
get pushed through. This had huge effects of the US

478
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:24,079
economy on the way of life in America. And just.

479
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Speaker 2: Ring was to be really precise, the nineteen ninety six

480
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,799
campaign finance controversy that China was giving money to the

481
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Clintons to help get them elected. I mean, talk about

482
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like scandal.

483
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 4: That's crazy, right, that's insane, But it makes a lot

484
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,480
of sense when you see like what happened with the

485
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:47,200
whole NAFTA deal and what a shift we saw on

486
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:47,759
the culture.

487
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Speaker 2: I mean, you.

488
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Speaker 4: Wouldn't have had You wouldn't have You probably wouldn't have never,

489
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,920
would have never had the opioid crisis, you know, if

490
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,119
it weren't for Afghanistan obviously in the Iraq War, but

491
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:03,880
also Whitewaters, wide Water, not Watergate, Whitewater, the Whitewater scandal.

492
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,079
But yeah, you wouldn't have had the opioid epidemic and

493
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,799
it wouldn't have been nearly as bad if the American

494
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,440
jobs hadn't been thrown off shore during the nineties, right,

495
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So I mean.

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Speaker 2: Now this was a time, this was to the period

497
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for those that remember. And I was talking to doctor

498
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,400
James Lindsay about this at the event that was at

499
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,160
He had a really good insight on this. He said,

500
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if you think about it, this was the time when

501
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you remember in the nineteen eighties if you go to Walmart,

502
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the big sales pitch that they had was by American,

503
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made in America. It's all American. And this is right

504
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,640
before when the Clintons come in then it all switches

505
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,960
to everything goes over to China. There's a book written

506
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by this published by the Spotlight. I forget the name

507
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:55,039
of the book, but that's who did the Builderberg coverage

508
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:01,400
and they did the guy that wrote the JFK but

509
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:05,119
Michael Collins Piper alleging that a certain medieval for certain

510
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,960
Middle East nation was behind the assassination of JFK. That's

511
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a very famous book.

512
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Speaker 4: So final what is it? What was it?

513
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Speaker 2: Book? Yeah?

514
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:14,519
Speaker 4: I remember my grandma got me that book in like.

515
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:19,519
Speaker 2: The same publisher. They did a book about how the

516
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:23,119
deals were set up to sendel manufacturing over to China,

517
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,720
specifically for the Waltons and Walmart. So this this, I

518
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:30,759
think that the Clinton period is probably key period for that.

519
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:33,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crucial. And look how much our lives have

520
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,519
changed because of this. I mean we've you wouldn't have

521
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:39,200
the world yet today. So many of the issues that

522
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,920
we had economically in the US and the West direct

523
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,519
repercussions of this, and these same you know, these same

524
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:47,960
people are still wielding power to a great extent.

525
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:52,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. And to bring it back to the sort of

526
00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:55,279
inconsistency of this, I think, as like I said on Twitter,

527
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,279
when it comes to foreign nations and attempts to buy

528
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,000
media influence and to have people this is well known.

529
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,240
Remember some years ago there's some kerfluffle about Al Jazero.

530
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,400
Al Jazeera is Arab owned, and they're pushing you know,

531
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,799
Arab pro Arab, pro Muslim, anti Israel rhetoric in the West.

532
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,839
So when it's convenient, it's a necessary thing to fuss about, right,

533
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:24,799
you follow me, It's.

534
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 4: Absolutely this is well known.

535
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: Right other medieval I keep saying medieval. Other Middle Eastern

536
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,880
countries do the exact same thing by influencing media people

537
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:36,079
in America.

538
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:38,759
Speaker 4: Right right, Well, you know, the APAC lobby, like this,

539
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,240
I mean all this, the Israel lobby is huge, but

540
00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:45,240
we're you know, that's that's okay, they're an ally right,

541
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:49,799
But clearly when with these other countries, you know, China

542
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,640
is okay as long as it's benefiting you know, some

543
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:55,319
of the people that are powerful within the US government,

544
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:58,680
But China is not okay in other context when it's

545
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,960
convenient to make them the book man that we must

546
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:03,160
you know, prepare for war with and build up our

547
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:09,240
surveillance state domestically. No, it's good. It's completely inconsistent in

548
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:10,400
every way exactly.

549
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: So that what that shows you is that it's rolled

550
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,880
out when it's politically useful, because at any point, like

551
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,680
they could have said a long time ago, these are

552
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:24,920
foreign influence agents, right, and we can't have if we

553
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,640
and if we can't have that, then we're not going

554
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,160
to have Chinese foreign influence. We shouldn't have, you know,

555
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,759
pick any other what's the They went after press TV

556
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,920
too some years back, because that's Iran, right, Yeah, so

557
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,119
they really just sort of pick the ones that they

558
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,759
allow for a while and then decide, oh, now you're

559
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:47,200
a problem, so we're going to ban press TV. We're

560
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,200
gonna ban our Tea, but no banning of other opera

561
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,799
other entities that are obviously hostile to the West.

562
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: Again, not not just even talk about you even talk

563
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,880
about their influence. And then you're you know, you're you're

564
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,839
a bad man. You want to you want to literally

565
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,200
bring about the death and destruction of entire people. You're

566
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,319
you're racist, your anti you know, you're anti Amish.

567
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:14,039
Speaker 2: Uh.

568
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:16,039
Speaker 4: I mean, it's very inconsistent.

569
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: Just think about the mainstream narrative. Let's just go with

570
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,759
mainstream narratives. Right, So the Big nine event was Saudi.

571
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:26,039
Speaker 7: This has been admitted, right, Well, the Saudis that were

572
00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:28,839
dancing on the grit. Well, no, no, I'm saying that

573
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:32,039
just the mainstream exactly. We know those other narratives and

574
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:34,079
background stuff.

575
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,519
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, let's just go with what the mainstream

576
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,720
has admitted about the Saudi hijackers, right, being involved in

577
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,880
that event. Wouldn't that constitute those people in that ideology

578
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,799
being contrary to American values into the West?

579
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: And yet a few bad apples, There are a few

580
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:51,799
bad apples.

581
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,119
Speaker 2: There's no complaints right about you know, Islam being pushed

582
00:32:57,119 --> 00:33:01,559
everywhere in America. So anyway, but yeah, the excuse of

583
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:03,519
course will be as you said, well that they're allies

584
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:03,920
right now.

585
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: So yeah, what maybe the neocons are down with the

586
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:10,759
Saudis now too. I mean that, well, Saudi Arabia has

587
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:14,039
made a major shift in their policy and they've been

588
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,440
very you know, they've been super soft and really buddied

589
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:19,400
up with you know, with our greatest ally. So I

590
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,359
guess you know there there there seems to have been

591
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,720
a major shift there. I don't really know the ins

592
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,039
and outs of what goes on in Saudi Arabian politics.

593
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:29,880
Something teams that have happened, you know, something happened under

594
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,319
the Trump administration. Those are there are a lot a

595
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:35,480
lot of strange issues, a lot of weird events that

596
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,799
did go down, including well the certain events you don't

597
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,119
really can't talk.

598
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: Abou'm just saying that based on the mainline narrative, wouldn't

599
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,440
that make them a an entity hostile to American interests?

600
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,319
Speaker 4: Of course? But like you said before, it's like it's complete,

601
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,920
you know, it's completely nineteen eighty four at this point,

602
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,759
you don't you don't even try to be consistent. You

603
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,559
just roll with the punches and then just pragmatically take

604
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,279
whatever position at the time will benefit you and help

605
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:05,359
you to wield more power, you know, I mean it's

606
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,319
just a you see it in the way that these

607
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,000
leftists debate, you know, like they're they're the inconsistencies. They

608
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,760
don't care about it the truth, No, that doesn't matter, right,

609
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,480
They're they're in this post post truth reality where you know,

610
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:19,800
it's not about truth, it's about power.

611
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: It's pure power. Yeah, I mean, even debate, even interactions,

612
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,760
it's only about gaining the upper hand and optics and

613
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,920
and displays of spectacle. Nothing to do with you know,

614
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:35,039
determining or delineating truth, which.

615
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: You know, of course, the displays of spectacle. It's a

616
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,159
major espionage and you know it's a it's a major

617
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,679
tactic used in espionage. But then also kind of has

618
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,320
its roots in what we were talking about in the

619
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,559
very beginning, you know, before we started here, you were

620
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:51,199
talking about that that book on Western occultism and Western

621
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esotericism and the roots of espionage are really are kind

622
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,440
of coming from that, right, John d talk about this

623
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:02,480
a lot is in your book as well, you know,

624
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,920
John de being the Queens, you know, top spy guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a book that Scooter got me to get

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let me grab it really quick. I haven't read it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a book that your buddy dun Duncan

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Trussell recommend.

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Speaker 4: He's on the back of it, Duncan Trussel detrip.

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Speaker 2: Buddy Duncan tell it's called Uh John d Empire of Angels,

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Enochian Magic and the Occult Roots of the modern world.

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Speaker 4: Where did he go? Where duncan Trussell go? That dude

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used to be everywhere like three years ago you've gone now.

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Speaker 2: But this is interesting because I haven't read this yet.

694
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I've just got it pretty recently. But it's pretty much

695
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positive kind of what you're getting at that the way

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that we think of the modern world kind of kind

697
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of spins out of these occult movement movements, who also

698
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oftentimes were tied into espionage spy operations. And some people theorize,

699
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,800
for example, that the Enochian magic symbols that John d

700
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was all into really might have just been ways to

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write spy code to send it to Elizabeth. Of course,

702
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,039
he was Elizabeth's chief spy. Queen Elizabeth, So if you

703
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:08,239
see the pictures, the paintings of her with eyes all

704
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,159
over her, those famous paintings are her spies. She had

705
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:14,639
a bass By network. And this included I mean not

706
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,079
just him, but other I think Sir Walter Raleigh and

707
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:19,840
other people that, by the way, is where the term

708
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:24,239
the world is not enough. The bond phrase that comes

709
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,840
from Sir Walter Raleigh. The double oh seven symbol comes

710
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,199
from John D. It's his two balls and a cane

711
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,000
to bulcane.

712
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 4: That's what the ladies call me. Two ballcane they called you.

713
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: Nevermind, go ahead, two.

714
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,679
Speaker 4: Small ball canes. What they call you two balls too,

715
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,039
smalls they call it.

716
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, so you know there's a fascinating relationship between

717
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,280
these two worlds that I know you know about now

718
00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:57,840
having known me the expert in this field.

719
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, bondologists James James, James James, is it James, Jim

720
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,199
Jim Dyer, Jim Dryer, I forget. I'm here with Jim Dryer, bondologist,

721
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,199
the boomer fashion expert.

722
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: This is a joke, I'm not. But there is a

723
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,280
field called bondology.

724
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:16,559
Speaker 4: That's crazy. Well, if if there's anybody that should get

725
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:19,639
an honorary PhD in bondology, I mean, you definitely know

726
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,559
more about the bond flicks, and it definitely studied the

727
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:23,920
whole subject more than anyone.

728
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: The history part of it's interesting. But like I was

729
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,159
saying earlier, like when when it gets into queer theory.

730
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:32,159
Speaker 4: And toxic I know, that's like my that's my stuff,

731
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:32,719
that's my bad.

732
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: That's where you would step in as an expert.

733
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: Obviously obvious. You have to tell me, dude, I know. So, yeah,

734
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,679
you mentioned, you know, going back to John D. This

735
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,760
this occult influence in Western thought. You know, it goes

736
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,880
back to even pre Enlightenment, right, I mean John D

737
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:56,400
is kind of this like you know, what would you

738
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,159
call like Victorian era figures. The Victorian era of the

739
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,960
John D was Elizabethan era. And before this you've got

740
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:10,239
the Renaissance. And I've got a copy of the book

741
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,400
and I've yet to delve into it, but the cult

742
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,119
roots of the Renaissance or what is what is the

743
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:19,199
book called the Occult History of the Renaissance.

744
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,679
Speaker 2: I forget, there's the Occult Enlightenment.

745
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,039
Speaker 4: The occult Enlightenment, but there's another one about the Renaissance.

746
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:26,880
I think that I've got a copy of that have

747
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:29,360
yet to delve into. But you know, I mean, you've

748
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,400
got this this resurgence of of paganism in the West

749
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,519
that came with the Renaissance, that ended up leading to

750
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:39,280
the Enlightenment. The Father Sarah from Rose and his Orthodox

751
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,320
Survival course is a good job and kind of tracing

752
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,719
the roots of all these movements to the Great Schism

753
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:49,800
and schism leading to the enlighten schism leading to the Renaissance.

754
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,519
The Renaissance leading to the Reformation, and of course many

755
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:58,000
of the enlighten Enlightenment thinkers and then the later revolutionaries

756
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:01,840
that came out of the Enlightenment loving and revering the

757
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,559
Protestant Reformation as being a sort of many Enlightenment and uh,

758
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,960
and of course this leading us to where we are today.

759
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,119
Where you've got you know me as an expert in

760
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,760
bond study, bond gender studies.

761
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: Well, uh, Dame Francis Yates and her famous book Rosa

762
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,239
Cruscian Enlightenment. She begins the book with a chapter on

763
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:26,559
John D. So she points out John D is a

764
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:30,679
key figure. Uh. And since reading this book, I kind

765
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,800
of overlooked the influence of Jacob Bowen, who is, by

766
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,400
the way, Nicholas Cage's favorite esotericis those who are interested

767
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:39,760
out there?

768
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,679
Speaker 4: Whoa wait, how do we know that he talks about

769
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,960
an interview? How did that come up? Who's your who's

770
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,159
your favorite esotericist?

771
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:55,599
Speaker 2: Really been an interested in reading Jacobillame and the Theologia

772
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:01,719
Germanic just a wild guy, dude. Anyways, he really did

773
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,079
talk about that interview. So Jacob Boween is sort of

774
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:09,960
the father of this idea of Christian what's called Christian theosophy,

775
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:15,159
and he posits this God in process, so process philosophy

776
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:20,159
from him then influences Hegel, who influences Marx. So a

777
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:23,800
lot of the Western philosophers that we might not think

778
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,239
of as being directly connected this actually are especially Hegel.

779
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,159
So Hegel, there would be no Hegel without Jacob Oween

780
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:33,360
in some of these other renaissances from Medicis and as

781
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,679
you pointed out, the Neoplatonists of the Renaissance as well.

782
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,880
So that's a big, you know, pathway to where we

783
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,559
are today. As these figures they play into the Enlightenment

784
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,719
or the Find the Minds of Men book that you've covered,

785
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,960
a lot of those characters who were revolutionaries were also

786
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,159
into the occult. There's that great chapter in Firing the

787
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:59,599
Minds of Men on the Pythiagoreans and the Neoplatonists that

788
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,880
influenced by Shop to you know, create his group in

789
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,480
a lot of that, Yeah, a lot a lot of

790
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:13,599
that involved spycraft and espionage. These revolutionary characters were were

791
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:18,679
spies too, So really no different today, I guess, because

792
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,679
to move it up into the modern period, you have Blovatski,

793
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:29,199
who is pretty clearly some type she was. She was

794
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,920
even believed by the multiple British investigators and whatnot at

795
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,719
the time to be some kind of spy. They thought

796
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,719
she might be a Russian spy. But I think it's

797
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,360
more makes more sense, you.

798
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,519
Speaker 4: Know, I assume that it was confirmed that she was,

799
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,159
you know, deeply steeped in espionage circles.

800
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:50,559
Speaker 2: But well, there the the accusation comes from people who

801
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,079
were connected with the British government, who were in the

802
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,960
Psychical Research Society. So the problem is that Psychical Research

803
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:02,119
Society is not the most credible organist, say, because they're

804
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,079
but they have people in it who were connected the

805
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:08,480
British government. But so what happens is Blavatski says that

806
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:12,880
she channeled all of these messages from the assented masters

807
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,840
of course, and then the people at the Psychic Research Society.

808
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,880
This guy who was like a UK investigator guy was like,

809
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,960
wait a minute, this all sounds like her.

810
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

811
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,519
Speaker 2: And by the way, what she doing when she goes

812
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:27,039
on these missions to the Himalayas and she's meeting with

813
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:36,760
KGB operatives, Like, uh, what that guy temple Roorick ror

814
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,119
she went she would go and meet with Rorrick not

815
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:49,280
temple and uh. She is then accused of being a

816
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,800
Russian spy. But in reality, I think Rotziu's analysis makes

817
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,159
more sense that no, she was going and meeting with

818
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,920
KGB guys because the Fabian Socialists and the Rothschild circles

819
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:06,360
liked the KGV. They weren't against the Soviets and the

820
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,599
Bolsheviks and all them. Hmmm, So I think she was

821
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:12,000
a Milner Fabian spy, not a Russian spy.

822
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 4: We got a super chat here from Big Boss super

823
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,960
chatting through through the stream labs. Thanks a lot, Big

824
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,719
Boss to fifteen bucks. Is how exactly would Russia even

825
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,840
subvert the US weird now as degen as it gets,

826
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,880
or would the subversion be the opposite of what we

827
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,880
are You will participate in sex after marriage, you will

828
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:43,519
marry a natural born woman as a natural born man. Yeah. Well,

829
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,920
I mean the narrative from the media is that, well,

830
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:52,440
the Russians clearly want Trump in because Trump is you know,

831
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:54,920
Trump's a Russian Agent's been the thing that they've been

832
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,599
spouting since twenty sixteen. And the other one now is

833
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:04,239
that well, the Russians want you to not be pro

834
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,440
Ukraine and the Russians want you to be anti Israel, right,

835
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:11,199
So this is they're kind of tying all their little

836
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,280
pet issues in with like just throwing that all in

837
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:14,920
one basket.

838
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: It seems.

839
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, I mean, you know, if you think

840
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:21,920
about it, well, the New York Times had a long

841
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:25,280
article that I reported on back at the twenty eighteen

842
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,000
or nineteen. I think everybody's forgotten this, but Hillary had

843
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,440
huge deals in Russia with certain energy companies. So the

844
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:38,719
actual monetary interests of Hillary were way more than any

845
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,239
kind of deals that Trump had relation in relation to

846
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,360
any Russian people.

847
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 4: So it actually amazing how much money they've generated through

848
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,000
all these deals since the nineties. I mean, the Clintons

849
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:52,079
are they're very powerful people. I mean they're very they're

850
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:55,360
very really adept at doing these you know, shady gangster

851
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:59,880
level business deals internationally. I mean with their don't they

852
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,639
also have a big Saudi connection to d or they

853
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,360
did I'm not.

854
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,079
Speaker 2: Sure what sort of beula the pay for play stuff

855
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:16,880
was Saudi Qatar various royals giving Hillary vast sums of

856
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,760
money for when she was elected that they would get hey,

857
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,199
they would get paybacks.

858
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 4: Do you remember that? Remember they're not going to get

859
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,320
a DOJ indictment about that anytime soon.

860
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: No, exactly. Do you remember the twenty fifteen payer.

861
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,599
Speaker 4: Play, yep, I'm remembering, And now that you say it,

862
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,519
it's it's amazing the sheer magnitude and and frequency with

863
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:40,280
which this has been happening since to.

864
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,159
Speaker 2: Think how silly this is. Right, The only thing that

865
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:44,760
they could find on Trump is a made up thing

866
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,960
about being peede on which was fake. But Hillary and

867
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:52,480
Bill and all of them have like literally taken zillions

868
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:57,800
of dollars from China, Saudi's qataris like all of it,

869
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,400
and other countries.

870
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 4: Is there like it Israel connected. I mean, you know,

871
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,639
the Apex pretty dangn powerful everywhere.

872
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:08,639
Speaker 2: But absolutely, I mean, like a half of uh winning

873
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:16,039
Webb's book is uh Epstein's connections there and with with China.

874
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, I mean Epstein he's he's there

875
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:22,280
are our greatest allies. You know these are well.

876
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: But he gave money to the Clinton campaign back in

877
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,960
at that time philanthropy.

878
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:31,159
Speaker 4: He was for science. The guy likes science. The Clinton's

879
00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:31,880
are pro science.

880
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 2: What's your problem? I mean at that time, Look, all

881
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,079
Bill Clinton knew at that time was that he was

882
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:40,159
getting philanthropic donations from a science man.

883
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:43,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, and his young girls. They were giving him philanthropic

884
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,199
we don't know, happy ending.

885
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:49,639
Speaker 2: Rubdowns, allegedly allegedly.

886
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:52,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, exactly, Well you have to say allegedly, don't

887
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:56,760
don't not say allegedly. I mean, it's it's so crazy.

888
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,039
It's like, it's it's insane the level of corruption that

889
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:03,000
has been normalized now. And I think, you know, if there,

890
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,400
if there is a syop, and then you know there's

891
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,960
levels and levels and layers and layers of syops. One

892
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,960
of the biggest syops out there is clearly to just

893
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:16,280
demoralize us through us knowing all of this, right, I mean,

894
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,880
it's it's so incredibly it's amazing how much corruption there

895
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,800
is that's just right out there in the open, and

896
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:26,920
nothing gets stun about it. You know, it's it's just

897
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:29,559
really right in front of your face. And I think

898
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,519
one of the major syops in in mass media has

899
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,960
been to well, just cover this stuff up with spectacle.

900
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,760
Right whenever there's something coming out, there's a new spectacle

901
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,880
that it's just oh, look over there, you know, like

902
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:45,639
it's you know, start a dumpster fire and point the

903
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,360
cameras at the dumpster fire, and people are going to

904
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,400
focus on that. And you know, the manipulation of consciousness

905
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,000
is something that these westerness terists have always been really

906
00:50:56,039 --> 00:50:59,920
interested in, the nature of consciousness, probing into the depth

907
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,960
of the human soul, which they'll usually call the psyche

908
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:08,159
or something. But this is of seminal importance to these,

909
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:11,920
you know, to the Western necessary esotericists that you were

910
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,159
discussing earlier. And I was talking a little bit about

911
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:20,320
psychoanalysis and Freud, Young and Reich and all of these guys.

912
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,119
The framework with which we that we look at the

913
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:28,360
world through has been changed so much over the years,

914
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,199
but has really led us into this almost like hall

915
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,760
of mirrors U and mass media now with social media

916
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:41,679
has become kind of like the ultimate opioid for for

917
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,719
the masses, because you know, you can anybody can just

918
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,760
jump into the little hall of mirrors and just spend

919
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,840
endless hours on TikTok on Instagram, you know, following their

920
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:55,960
favorite uh, their favorite influencers, influencing them to you know,

921
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:59,679
behave in ridiculous ways doing TikTok dances and all this stuff.

922
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,719
But you know, but that's so that's fine. That's okay.

923
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,719
What what is a problem is general people who are

924
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,199
slightly to the right of center on some issues, like Timpoole,

925
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:15,599
Lauren Chen and some of these people who are you know,

926
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,199
very moderate in all regards, like these are not extreme

927
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,280
far right, you know, Timpoole extreme far right. You know,

928
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,599
he's really far on the right side of his bum

929
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:27,599
when he's sitting on the fence on most issues. I mean,

930
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:30,000
he's he's notorious as being like a fence sitter. And

931
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:32,280
I'm not trying to just slag on Tim Poole, but

932
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,159
like he'll admit this himself that he's a fence sitter

933
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,519
on a lot of these things, and that's what he's

934
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:39,639
known for. But now, oh no, he's he's far right

935
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,920
because he's critical of spending billions of dollars on this

936
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,400
war in Ukraine that is going to benefit all these

937
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,760
you know, oligarchic families who have been ripping off the

938
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:53,199
country and ripping off the people in Ukraine for so long. It's, uh,

939
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,440
this is a problem him being vaguely critical of certain

940
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:02,400
actions that Israelist taking while being really apologetic for Israel

941
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,639
in general on most things. Him Russians must be paying

942
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,280
him to do this, and this is a major problem.

943
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:12,599
You know, it's not only fans polluting the minds of

944
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:18,719
you know, entire generations young men and turning people's daughters

945
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,960
into literal whors. That's okay, that's fine, But you know,

946
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,840
Tim Poole's saying some stuff that maybe the Russians would

947
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,119
the Russians maybe that they would agree with. Well, we

948
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:30,960
better shot that.

949
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the accusation not too long ago was that

950
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,239
he was being funded by the CIA. I remember that

951
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,920
accusation a while back. And the more he moved into

952
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,639
this sort of libertarian and sort of conservative on some

953
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,880
issues takes, then the heat gets turned up. Now it

954
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,800
flips over into this and like you pointed out, I mean,

955
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:54,039
I'm not I didn't. I didn't follow a lot of

956
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:57,119
Lauren Chen's content, but what I have seen from her

957
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,159
seemed to be fairly middle of the I mean, there

958
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,760
wasn't anything super edgy.

959
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 4: That's not that I've seen. I don't follow her either,

960
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,119
just the clips I've seen. It's just basic takes like

961
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:10,159
oh look at look at the the woke mob is

962
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,800
kind of crazy, don't you think, guys, like maybe we

963
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,039
shouldn't give a bunch of money to Ukrainians, and you know,

964
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:18,440
it seemed like normal stuff that you maybe see some

965
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:19,599
of it on Fox News.

966
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean she debated Andrew and they had

967
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,119
this debate over you know, she had a very kind

968
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:30,920
of standard approach to what Christian marriage is. Nothing radical

969
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:31,840
or over the edge.

970
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 4: Definitely not a far right extremist or extreet you know, Like.

971
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. Like the I think what

972
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,199
they're doing is they're sort of right, they're going down

973
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:45,519
the line of anyone anti establishment, whether you're far right,

974
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:50,559
whether you're you know, middle of the road libertarian conservative,

975
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,000
Like they're sort of just going down the list, I think,

976
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:56,880
sort of going after anyone that can can have any

977
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,440
kind of influence or called rucus. And so seemed to

978
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,039
be a timely thing that they rolled out, particularly because

979
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:07,039
probably this is my analysis, Temple was saying that he

980
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:09,119
was going to try to take legal action against Kamala

981
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,519
for editing the videos of him to make him say

982
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:15,920
something else. The very next day, Kamala and her crew

983
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:19,079
roll this out. So they might have been sitting on

984
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:21,880
this for a while to use at the opportune time.

985
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:25,880
And if you recall going all the way back to

986
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:33,079
twenty sixteen. It wasn't just Trump, but Alex was called

987
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,840
Russian agent for a couple of years. Of course, Soccer

988
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:41,000
was Russian agent for several years. Rogan was Russian agent

989
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,559
at one point. So essentially, this is what they do

990
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:48,440
to anyone in alternative media that is in any way

991
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:55,519
anti DNC and perhaps even uniparty RNC Rhino establishment. So

992
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,199
it's just a thing they constantly roll out. But I

993
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,800
mean it's not that extreme because, like you pointed out,

994
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,320
I don't think Temple really needed tenant media. It's not

995
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,039
like it was some massive thing that he was was,

996
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,079
uh that was gonna take it to the next level.

997
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 4: I mean, like yeah, like Timpoole's operation is not the

998
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:23,039
you know, the house that Russia built or something like that.

999
00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:23,519
But well I.

1000
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 2: Remember, so you know, uh Tim was on there and

1001
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:32,440
he debated with Rollo and and uh Tim Poole, Tim

1002
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,000
Gordon Rachel was on there debating with people two or three.

1003
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:38,199
I mean I've I've seen.

1004
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 4: Maybe like all those people are clearly a few of those.

1005
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 2: Debates and like and the but the they had maybe

1006
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:46,119
ten twenty thirty thousand views on something. It's like it

1007
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,599
wasn't even like you know, I can get that on

1008
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:51,920
my channel, So you know, like you said, sixty million

1009
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,960
views in two years is not even that big of

1010
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:54,360
a deal.

1011
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:56,599
Speaker 4: So this was not I mean it is it seemed

1012
00:56:56,639 --> 00:56:58,840
like it was a lot of money considering the amount

1013
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,639
of views, right, Like, I mean, considering the amount of views,

1014
00:57:01,679 --> 00:57:02,559
that is a lot of money.

1015
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 2: But maybe the fault. I mean, if all that stuff

1016
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,480
is accurate or true, maybe the thought was it would

1017
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:09,679
grow into something more.

1018
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,599
Speaker 4: But of course, of course, and and to take that money. Yeah,

1019
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,039
you know again, like I I haven't read the entire indictment,

1020
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:22,559
which is not indicting Chen Timpoole. None of these people

1021
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:24,079
are actually being indicted.

1022
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: These are two people will never be indicted.

1023
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:29,639
Speaker 4: So I mean, look, in all reality, this could be

1024
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:34,400
an indictment against two pseudonyms of people that don't even exist, right,

1025
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:37,960
like it because it is so easy to fund any

1026
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:42,400
alt media operation through a shell game of you know,

1027
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:45,079
essentially you know, anonymous.

1028
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,039
Speaker 2: With the vegans in the Saudis, right.

1029
00:57:48,199 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well we've talked about I've talked about this even

1030
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,480
with just alt media in general. How it's so easy

1031
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,800
for somebody to just start making anonymous bitcoin donations, or

1032
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,000
get contact somebody through email and say hey, I like

1033
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:00,000
your content, you know, let me drop you a couple

1034
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,679
will BETC bro like I got rich off BTC I bought,

1035
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:04,519
you know, I bought. I bought in early at two

1036
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:07,320
cents and I got all this sitting around these There

1037
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,000
are ways that you can influence content, fun content, promote

1038
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:14,920
content very easily through who.

1039
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,119
Speaker 2: Was it that was paying like earthling ed and all

1040
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:17,800
those people who.

1041
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,559
Speaker 4: Was Yeah, a lot of the vegans and the vegan

1042
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:21,719
activists are all funded by the Saudi guy called Prince

1043
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:28,760
Alwalid beIN Tallal. He's this major Saudi prince's son, and

1044
00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:32,159
he's got all these little Silicon valley startups and it's

1045
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:35,679
really involved in some some projects for like smart City

1046
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:40,000
twenty thirty type stuff. And his dad was actually arrested

1047
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:42,960
under during the Trump administration. His father was arrested by

1048
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:46,599
the current Saudi regime for some sort of intrigues that

1049
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:51,400
he had. His ex wife can actually accused him of

1050
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,679
being a human trafficker. I mean, these are like super

1051
00:58:54,760 --> 00:59:00,880
shady Saudi guy and his he his going back to

1052
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:06,119
bond his yacht that he has sold to Donald Trump

1053
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:10,840
in like the eighties or nineties was actually used. Is

1054
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:11,360
that the.

1055
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:13,199
Speaker 2: Yacht?

1056
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:18,239
Speaker 4: I think it might have gone to Koshogi, but originally Prince.

1057
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: It was in the Bond movie. Yeah, that's it. In

1058
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,960
Whitney's book, she has the first chapter where she talks

1059
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,400
about how Koshogi was using the yacht as a kind

1060
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,960
of floating mini Epstein situation.

1061
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,559
Speaker 4: Interesting, I don't it might have been the same one.

1062
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:35,320
It might have gone through Koshogi, but this yacht was

1063
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,880
used in a Bond film, like.

1064
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:41,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that. Yeah, so on an old

1065
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,880
streaming and you did it. So I think you're right

1066
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:43,199
about that.

1067
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 4: So he would openly fund like all these vegan YouTube

1068
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,039
channels and then also be kind of a secret funder, right,

1069
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:51,079
But you know, of course nobody's concerned about you know,

1070
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:56,119
Saudi Prince funding vegan activists throughout the West to influence uh,

1071
00:59:56,599 --> 01:00:00,920
you know, behavior dietarily and culturally and you know, attack

1072
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,360
small family farms and all this. Nobody's concerned about that

1073
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,719
at all. But it's all it's really easy to just

1074
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,239
set up, you know, some pseudonyms or have I mean,

1075
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,800
in any intelligence agency, you can get in there fund

1076
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,519
any operation they want. And maybe like you know, fed

1077
01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:18,840
jacket it and make it look like it's some Russians.

1078
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,599
Then blame the person receiving the money or you know,

1079
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:24,320
fed jacket them and make it seem like it's some

1080
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,960
sort of you know, Chinese, even any any country you

1081
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:31,960
want it can you can make it seem like they are,

1082
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,840
you know, funding in operation. It's not very hard. You

1083
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,800
don't have to be that intelligent to do it.

1084
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 2: This is an eighty six million dollar yacht, and uh,

1085
01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:43,119
at one time Trump was the owner of it.

1086
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 4: Most of the nut yacht's name, it's a funny name.

1087
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 2: It's called the Yes, it's right here, it's called the

1088
01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:51,360
the Nobila.

1089
01:00:57,679 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's right. I thought it was something else.

1090
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,760
I thought it was like an English name that was

1091
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:04,679
that was.

1092
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:08,239
Speaker 2: Pretty his eighty six million dollars super yacht, The Nobila

1093
01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:15,719
nearly broke the shipyard. But you said there was and

1094
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,920
it's this, Yes, this is it because when you search

1095
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:26,519
for it, all while bintil all comes up. The Nabila

1096
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:29,039
yacht was named the Trump Princess when he took it over.

1097
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:34,639
It was in Never Say Never Again, the nineteenth three

1098
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:35,519
James Bond movie.

1099
01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:43,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, it's funny, we go full circle. The

1100
01:01:44,159 --> 01:01:49,880
vegan activists can connect to the Stein operation in some way.

1101
01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:53,159
Speaker 2: That's great if you if you look up the first

1102
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,800
chapter or first or second chapter of Whitney's book, the

1103
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,400
second volume, it deals with they were bringing in like

1104
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:09,239
foreign I forget which nationality prostitutes and it was rigged

1105
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,320
up with like cameras. The yacht had like cameras to

1106
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:16,320
film because Kashowgi was working for the establishment to to

1107
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,840
blackmail people basede and he he was he was connected

1108
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:25,599
to Epstein like they were frea. They had some connection.

1109
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,480
Oh man based did you say Based?

1110
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Sultan of Brune was Epstein's Jeff Stiny

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McCaffrey's landlord during this time period, and this I think

1157
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:07,079
is the means by which he's introduced to add non koshogi.

1158
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And it says that Jeff Stein may have been first

1159
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:13,679
exposed to this idea of blackmail operations through the proximity

1160
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:17,719
to Kohne Gray and Koshogi. In fact, he was in

1161
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,480
close proximity to Koshogi himself. And this is a possibility

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01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:25,960
that is linking. This links then Epstein to the BCCI

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affair in the nineteen It doesn't say what year this is,

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01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,880
but the John Kerry Hank Brown investigation too, the BCCI

1165
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:40,840
uncovered that the bank, which was located in Pakistan, was

1166
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:45,480
utilized in blackmail operations through the yacht and the bringing

1167
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:51,000
in of Pakistani women and men for parties on the

1168
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:55,679
yacht where it could be filmed. And these are Pakistani

1169
01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:01,679
guys and girls ages sixteen to twenty. This is before

1170
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Trump owns the yacht. This is back in the late

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01:06:05,679 --> 01:06:09,239
seventies early eighties. Trump, by the by, he got in

1172
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,400
nineteen eighty eight from Kashoge. But anyway, so there is

1173
01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:17,679
basically the mini pre Jeff Stin McCaffrey operation on this

1174
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:18,719
famous yacht.

1175
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 4: That crazy as wow, well it's it's amazing to you

1176
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:24,239
look at.

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01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:31,679
Speaker 2: How nineteen Yeah and weapons he's a weapons uh dealer

1178
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:32,159
for this?

1179
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,559
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, we didn't we didn't mention that big

1180
01:06:34,639 --> 01:06:38,800
international weapons dealer, super sketchy guy involved with tons of

1181
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,079
very powerful people. He's, uh, how do you how do

1182
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:42,519
you die?

1183
01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:44,119
Speaker 2: I don't remember.

1184
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:45,559
Speaker 4: I think you get murdered.

1185
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:47,519
Speaker 2: He also comes up as drug I think the drug

1186
01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:51,880
trafficker in the famous McCoy book on c in the

1187
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,000
drug trade, well.

1188
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:57,079
Speaker 4: The drug trade, weapons trade, and the trade in humans,

1189
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right in human trafficking.

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Speaker 2: Closely the Whitney web book correct.

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01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:06,679
Speaker 4: Closely linked and very much uh you know tools of

1192
01:07:08,199 --> 01:07:10,639
black ops type stuff. I mean these are known to

1193
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:16,800
be used to fund black ops type actions, the crack

1194
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,960
cocaine stuff that was happening in the eighties, the Ali

1195
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:27,039
North stuff. Ye yeah, so yeah, Wow. It's just it's incredible.

1196
01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:33,280
It's staggering just the level of interconnectedness with so much

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01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,599
of so many of these operations. And you know, back

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01:07:36,679 --> 01:07:40,800
to the Epstein op, this is something that was used

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01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:47,679
to influence people in media in academia and his Glenne

1200
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:52,000
Maxwell and the sisters and the Promise software and all

1201
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:56,639
of their connections to with getting back doors in software

1202
01:07:56,679 --> 01:08:01,239
that was used for interagency communication through out intelligence agencies

1203
01:08:01,239 --> 01:08:01,719
in the US.

1204
01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 2: Did you know they invented what was the Netscape navigator

1205
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:07,480
and the Karda isn't that crazy.

1206
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 4: Oh that's hilarious.

1207
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a Gislaine invention. Well, her, her sister

1208
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,360
and her brother. I think we're all connected on that

1209
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,319
and they sold it to gil Bates.

1210
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,119
Speaker 4: Wow, there you go, there you go. So I mean,

1211
01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:24,800
but yeah, all this stuff, you know, and remember these

1212
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:30,000
are you know, not foreign agents, these are these are

1213
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:32,960
good people. They're just you know, business people. And this

1214
01:08:33,159 --> 01:08:35,600
is all okay, it's all okay. Now, I'm not trying

1215
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:39,600
to you know, if there is influence from any foreign country,

1216
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,319
you know, in order to propagandaize, I'm not We're not

1217
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:47,199
running apologetics for this, just simply pointing out that shouldn't

1218
01:08:47,239 --> 01:08:50,920
we be consistent, shouldn't we be consistent in uh, you know,

1219
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:55,960
who's being called out prosecuted for, you know, illegal activity.

1220
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:01,880
And yeah, it's it's pretty crazy the level of interference

1221
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,479
that's happened from certain countries in the in the Middle East.

1222
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 2: Well, it's fascinating too to think about. Like the origin

1223
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:17,760
of search engines, Netscape, Navigator, online Encyclopedia, the idea was

1224
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:22,680
originally hatched by people working in intelligence and blackmail. All right,

1225
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:27,079
to have quick access for files and presumably I need

1226
01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:30,359
to access all the dirt I've got on Tristan right,

1227
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,920
which you have none on me if it would come

1228
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,479
up under the queer theory chapters like vast volumes of

1229
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:37,960
black mail.

1230
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:44,279
Speaker 4: Right there, I go clean my Netscape navigator.

1231
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 2: Clear.

1232
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,079
Speaker 4: Wait if I delete my cookies on Netscape Navigator, Glene

1233
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:51,159
Maxwell won't know, right, go back.

1234
01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:56,560
Speaker 2: To the Nescape act. That's unfortunate because she already sold

1235
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:01,159
all your cookies to Bill Gates from Escape. So now

1236
01:10:01,279 --> 01:10:02,319
Bill Gates, that's a good one.

1237
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,199
Speaker 4: So my freaking girl scout cookies at Bill Gates, My

1238
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:11,640
thin mince? What this is what the ladies call my cookies?

1239
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:20,039
Thin mince? The oh? I had another another idea, but

1240
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:24,159
just just skipped my mind of those dumb jokes. But yeah,

1241
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:25,680
what were you gonna say? So your flipping to a page.

1242
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,520
Speaker 2: Johnny Chung, That's who I was trying to think of.

1243
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:32,680
One of the key characters in the Clinton the China

1244
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,800
Gate scandal was a Chinese operative working with the Clinton's

1245
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:39,239
Al Gore went and visited China and at this time

1246
01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:42,840
as well, So basically they were working with all these

1247
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:48,720
entities that I think this is probably why. Yeah, the

1248
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,239
Confucian Society and all this set up that was allowed

1249
01:10:51,319 --> 01:10:54,039
for so long, and that was one of the controversial

1250
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:56,159
things Trump did was to shut down a lot of

1251
01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:02,039
these foreign Chinese operations. I mean, confused society may still

1252
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:05,079
be here, but it was a big deal twenty seventeen

1253
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,159
somewhere in there when Trump banned all of the Chinese

1254
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:11,000
foreign exchange stuff, which.

1255
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,159
Speaker 4: Was, ah, yeah, I was wondering what you're talking about.

1256
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:14,000
I remember that now.

1257
01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was Trump trying to reverse some of

1258
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:21,079
this like Clinton stuff that they had put in place there.

1259
01:11:23,039 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it seems like there was at least a

1260
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,960
level of that rivalry that was that was legitimate. I

1261
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,640
mean a lot of people speculated, oh, you know, he

1262
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,960
was just saying lock her up just to get elected.

1263
01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:33,000
He was just trying to get it, you know.

1264
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:39,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, Whitney rebbed. She lists Clinton's connections to Charlie Tree,

1265
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:43,319
the Tati Group, the Lippo group, ing Lap Singh, all

1266
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:47,399
of which were connected to People's Republic of China fronts.

1267
01:11:48,119 --> 01:11:50,239
So they're like they're deeply into.

1268
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:52,560
Speaker 4: I'm surprised, you're.

1269
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 2: Like an FBI like chart board to draw, you know

1270
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:56,479
what I mean, Like how.

1271
01:11:56,439 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 4: They have like all the yeah, the conspiracy theory thing

1272
01:12:01,119 --> 01:12:05,159
from whatever show that's from. I'm surprised your web book

1273
01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:07,720
held up the binding on the physical copy held up

1274
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:09,640
so well, because mine, like, I don't know, like the

1275
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,680
publisher apart. Yeah. Yeah, the glue was really bad and

1276
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,439
it started falling apart just when I was in like

1277
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,319
the first few chapters. I haven't even gotten to the

1278
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:20,560
second book, but it's Yeah, it's dense, it's really well done.

1279
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:27,560
Webb's book there, we've covered a lot. Man, you got

1280
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:31,119
any other thoughts on how you know, We've talked about Bond,

1281
01:12:31,279 --> 01:12:35,359
We've talked about you know, social engineering and the role

1282
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,439
of mass media. We didn't get too much into that,

1283
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:39,239
but I.

1284
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:42,159
Speaker 2: Mean, I can go anywhere you want. I mean, I

1285
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:46,800
got this history of Tavistock that's an academic publication, which

1286
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:48,680
is pretty wild, has a lot of admissions in that.

1287
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:53,359
But I recently obtained I've got a book on mocking Bird.

1288
01:12:53,399 --> 01:12:55,039
We didn't go too deep into the mocking Bird.

1289
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 4: But we should do a whole Let's do a whole

1290
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,359
show on Tavistock. I'd love to. I've got a book

1291
01:13:01,399 --> 01:13:06,439
on Tavistock that I've yet to delve into. Also, No,

1292
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,880
there's the old Stulan book. But I don't know if

1293
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:09,720
that one's any good.

1294
01:13:11,079 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it's a lot of resetting what's

1295
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,720
in the John Coleman book. But I branched out and

1296
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:18,680
I've actually gotten some of that.

1297
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,279
Speaker 4: Coleman wrote a book on Tavistok or his committee in

1298
01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:24,399
three hundred. It's separate from the Committee three hundred book.

1299
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: Interesting, it was out of print forever, no never, and

1300
01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:29,880
I finally got it. So it's back in print.

1301
01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 4: It's back at all. I have to get a copy

1302
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,439
of that. Is the comedy book in print?

1303
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 3: Again?

1304
01:13:34,359 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: What is it?

1305
01:13:35,119 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 4: Is it the other the Committee of three hundred book

1306
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:37,159
in print?

1307
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 2: Again?

1308
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 4: It's kind of fallen apart. It was expensive for a while.

1309
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,279
Speaker 2: Now I've crossed reference because a lot of people complain

1310
01:13:45,399 --> 01:13:48,880
that Coleman didn't do very good with footnotes and references,

1311
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:53,159
which is a fair critigue. But in this official history

1312
01:13:53,159 --> 01:13:56,960
of Tavistock, I have been able to back up a

1313
01:13:57,079 --> 01:13:57,880
lot of the claims.

1314
01:13:58,319 --> 01:14:00,359
Speaker 4: Who's the publisher of that one? That hard to get?

1315
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:01,039
Is it hard to find? O?

1316
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 2: No, it's a famous academic it's Retligh, which is a

1317
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:05,880
famous academic culture.

1318
01:14:06,119 --> 01:14:08,520
Speaker 4: Okay, so those are always kind of expensive too, though.

1319
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,039
Was it like seventy bucks for the No, this more

1320
01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:14,720
like forty or fifty. But okay, that's funny. All all

1321
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,319
the all the university books, they're like one hundred bucks

1322
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:20,640
for a soft right soft back.

1323
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: Also, I mean this is uh Tavistoka jacent. So I've

1324
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:27,279
only got Walter Littman's book.

1325
01:14:27,359 --> 01:14:29,399
Speaker 4: Ah, yeah, I've got a printed copy of that. It's

1326
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:37,079
not nice and bound. That's a good one. Sweet, I do.

1327
01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:40,000
I'd like to I'd like to do a Tavistoking Institute

1328
01:14:40,039 --> 01:14:43,399
one soon. I actually I started reading Public Opinion. It's

1329
01:14:43,399 --> 01:14:46,159
a little bit drab, like it's kind of like, it's

1330
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:48,239
kind of you know, it's good, but it's you're looking

1331
01:14:48,279 --> 01:14:51,720
at the early days of of PR And I don't

1332
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:53,880
like how Litman writes. He kind of writes in an

1333
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:54,960
annoying way.

1334
01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, read, but there's all yeah, we can't forget. Did

1335
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,199
you ever read this classic? Oh?

1336
01:15:04,279 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 4: Brene is of course? Yeah, brenees and Litman. That'd be

1337
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,520
better to do those together, because Litman is not as

1338
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:10,439
fun as Brene's.

1339
01:15:12,119 --> 01:15:12,279
Speaker 2: Right.

1340
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 4: You know, his nephew is his nephew or his grandson

1341
01:15:16,039 --> 01:15:21,159
that owns Netflix, yeah, or former CEO or the founder

1342
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:31,800
of Netflix. So yeah, yeah, Matt, mass media espionage, social engineering, bondology. Clearly,

1343
01:15:32,199 --> 01:15:33,239
you know these are all I.

1344
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,560
Speaker 2: Can always go off in the Bond stuff for a

1345
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,199
long time. You want to wrap it up or do

1346
01:15:38,199 --> 01:15:39,359
you want to keep going? I don't care the way,

1347
01:15:39,399 --> 01:15:40,119
whatever you wants.

1348
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:42,279
Speaker 4: Either way, man, either way, I'm just getting a little

1349
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:44,039
tired here. I feel like we could wrap it. Sometimes

1350
01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:45,840
I go way too long, and I feel like I

1351
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,560
could have just split that up into some you know,

1352
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:49,840
leave some, leave some for.

1353
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,520
Speaker 2: Dessert, so we can say some more stuff for specific

1354
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,520
Bond They could do a whole h I've done like

1355
01:15:56,079 --> 01:16:00,680
probably thirty Bond streams on this or that Bond movie, novel, whatever. Right,

1356
01:16:01,239 --> 01:16:02,600
there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff packed

1357
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,199
in those that's pretty fascinating. Nice man, And actually one

1358
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:09,640
of the key operatives that not many people know who

1359
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,479
is one of the big influences, the most famous, one

1360
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,079
of the most famous Jewish operatives out there, was Sidney Riley.

1361
01:16:18,359 --> 01:16:22,159
Speaker 4: I'd never heard of Huh, never heard of Sidney Riley?

1362
01:16:22,399 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, he's he's key because he comes up

1363
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:30,439
in the Rakovsk interrogation as sort of the right hand

1364
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,239
operative of Ralph Chold. And so there's a lot of

1365
01:16:35,119 --> 01:16:39,640
literature out there. But doctor Richard Spence, who's public published

1366
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,399
at trin Day. Before he was at trin Day, he

1367
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:47,720
wrote this whole history of Sidney Riley and there's other ones.

1368
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,800
This is a pretty kind of pop pop book on him.

1369
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:55,760
He's again famous influence on James Bond. But well he's

1370
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,039
important because he's famous.

1371
01:16:58,079 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 4: Wait, why does it have the couples in the background?

1372
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:00,840
Is he he's Russian?

1373
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,279
Speaker 2: No? Well, that's the thing is like, was the British

1374
01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:09,560
intelligence operative or was he a Soviet Bolshevik communist?

1375
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:16,319
Speaker 4: A much like Victor Victor Rosschild.

1376
01:17:19,319 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 2: And that's what the recopsk interrogation alleges about him. I've

1377
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:26,720
not yet read uh, doctor Spencer's book on him, but

1378
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,720
I think it's probably the case. I don't know what

1379
01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:33,000
Spencer's thesis is, but yeah, he's a character, and they'd

1380
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,920
made a whole movie or a whole series about him. Uh,

1381
01:17:37,039 --> 01:17:42,000
who's that? Who's that? Who's the guy in un't it?

1382
01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:45,760
It's the guy in Jurassic Park? Remember him?

1383
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:46,600
Speaker 4: Which one?

1384
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:52,359
Speaker 2: Original one? The doctor in the original one, the British guy. No, not.

1385
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 4: The doctor.

1386
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 2: Which doctor the paleontologist?

1387
01:17:58,279 --> 01:18:01,039
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Grant, doctor Graham. What's his name?

1388
01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:04,199
Speaker 2: He plays Sidney Riley and the British show.

1389
01:18:05,319 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 4: He's an easy Is he actually British or is he Americans?

1390
01:18:09,239 --> 01:18:10,840
He's pretty he's got an accent in that film.

1391
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 2: Sam Neil, Yes, Sam Neil plays Sidney Riley in an

1392
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:24,000
entire series that the British BBC made.

1393
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 4: What year was that made?

1394
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 2: Eighties? It's called Riley as Spies. It's pretty famous spy series.

1395
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,000
But people don't know, like, wait a minute, this is

1396
01:18:34,079 --> 01:18:37,640
actually like this is the real Illuminati, right, because this

1397
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,520
is the people are working for, like Rachel.

1398
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,359
Speaker 4: So right, and and also you know, crossing the crossing

1399
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over into the Soviet influenced blog, playing both sides exactly. Well,

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01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,640
there seemed to be aspects of this with with this current.

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01:18:55,319 --> 01:18:57,880
You know, there's always a stamp of that of like this,

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01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,079
you know, you're always unsure or well, what's the what's

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01:19:01,159 --> 01:19:02,279
even the intention here?

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01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 2: Right?

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01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,520
Speaker 4: So like you I think that's kind of a signature

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01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,760
of these intelligence operations and that like you know, you

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01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,680
can't make it too blatantly obvious, and you can sometimes

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01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,960
they'll cast a wide net and you know, the different

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01:19:16,399 --> 01:19:20,439
things that they're trying to influence. But yeah, that were

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living in that gray area. You know, it's a good movie.

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01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,119
Uh it's maybe. What do you think about The Good Shepherd?

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01:19:27,359 --> 01:19:28,279
You like The Good Shepherd?

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01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:33,039
Speaker 2: Well, it has it has the at the beginning, is

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01:19:33,079 --> 01:19:36,800
it Stephen fry In He the gay handler, one of

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01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,640
the one of the handlers. Maybe it's not the price

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01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,439
of the other British actor, but well.

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01:19:40,359 --> 01:19:44,520
Speaker 4: There's what's his face? Oh my goodness, Caine. Michael Kaine's

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01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:44,920
in there too.

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01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the other guy who is the one that

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01:19:48,039 --> 01:19:51,159
trains Matt Damon and spycraft.

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01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 4: The British intelligence guy.

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01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's making this this point that oss is set

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01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,199
up by British intelligence.

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01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And there's some reference in there. He calls it,

1425
01:20:01,359 --> 01:20:04,079
you know, the Dark Arts. I think Michael Kaine uses

1426
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:08,279
the term the Dark Arts, the use its training in

1427
01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:10,880
the dock rots. That's I know. I enjoyed The Good Shepherd.

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01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,880
I think I watched it a few times, like the

1429
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,279
revisit that it's a little long, not yeah, is a.

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01:20:16,279 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 2: Little long and slow, but it's pretty accurate.

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01:20:19,119 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 4: I do like I kind of like long films though,

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01:20:21,119 --> 01:20:24,239
you know, I mean the extended versions of the Lord

1433
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:26,640
of the Ring trilogy like those are did you're not

1434
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,079
going to say? For four hours and watch?

1435
01:20:29,239 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 2: I liked those too. I mean I like the long

1436
01:20:32,119 --> 01:20:36,720
Dune films. Did you be the new Mad Max? It

1437
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,159
was pretty long? No?

1438
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 4: You, both you and my brother said that it was

1439
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:41,560
that it was good.

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01:20:43,399 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 2: I mean, if you filter out like the feminist stuff.

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01:20:47,399 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 4: Otherwise, yeah, just as like an entertaining film, like a

1442
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,840
Mad maxim But I guess Mad Max always the what's

1443
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:58,600
his name, frank, uh, what's a good? George Miller? He

1444
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,399
said that the original Mad Max were also feminist. You know,

1445
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:05,520
he's made the claim that these were it was always feminist.

1446
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 2: I don't think that's true, because the villains in one

1447
01:21:10,039 --> 01:21:19,720
and two are clearly skittles. There's nothing feminist in part

1448
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,720
one or two. You could argue that maybe Tina Turner

1449
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,039
is the first emergence of something quasi feminist.

1450
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 4: I don't know what his justification was, but yeah, he's

1451
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,600
just revising. He's like, no, I promise, I'm always I'm

1452
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:34,800
not ant.

1453
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 2: Remember jk Rowling did this too, where it's like, oh,

1454
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,880
by the way, okay, fine, Dumbledore was gay.

1455
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:46,039
Speaker 4: Yeah he was trans Harry Potter's trans It's okay. I'm

1456
01:21:46,039 --> 01:21:47,079
not a big nothing at.

1457
01:21:47,039 --> 01:21:49,039
Speaker 2: The time that suggested that. I'm not even that I

1458
01:21:49,079 --> 01:21:51,039
don't care about defending Harry Potter. I just I think

1459
01:21:51,079 --> 01:21:53,520
a lot of these people retroactively will say this for

1460
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:54,640
social justice.

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01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,279
Speaker 4: I thought it was just the actor that was gay.

1462
01:21:56,359 --> 01:21:59,680
She actually legit said that he himself, the character Dumbledore

1463
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:00,520
was was a gay.

1464
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 2: I don't know something like that, but I mean people

1465
01:22:03,079 --> 01:22:07,760
do this retroactively where they're like, you know, I mean

1466
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:13,079
they said SpongeBob supposed to be gay, right, we see that.

1467
01:22:13,239 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 4: I always thought that show was pretty gay.

1468
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,199
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny. But I'm just saying like

1469
01:22:19,319 --> 01:22:24,399
there was nothing at the time that was explicitly showing

1470
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:28,720
that they're retroactively going back and saying right for i

1471
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,159
think for virtue signaling social justice reasons. Oh everyone and

1472
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:35,880
they're all gay. Everyone was gay, right, I'm serious. They're

1473
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,000
going to start saying like they're doing this with Star Wars, right,

1474
01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:42,399
they're rewriting Star Wars now to be all of these

1475
01:22:43,159 --> 01:22:46,119
you know, women characters and whatnot, which is failing.

1476
01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:48,359
Speaker 4: There was another one recently too, where they tried to like,

1477
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:51,880
oh yeah, these these trends are gay, by the way. No,

1478
01:22:52,039 --> 01:22:53,079
that's a that's a huge trend.

1479
01:22:53,159 --> 01:22:53,279
Speaker 3: Now.

1480
01:22:54,119 --> 01:22:57,119
Speaker 4: We were always we were always this progressive. We promise

1481
01:22:57,279 --> 01:22:57,560
we were.

1482
01:22:58,079 --> 01:22:58,359
Speaker 1: We were.

1483
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,399
Speaker 4: We were trying, we were smashing the fash and fighting

1484
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:02,119
the patriarchy.

1485
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:08,159
Speaker 2: James Bond was always secretly gay. I'm serious.

1486
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,560
Speaker 4: I mean that's like, that's coming, right, that's coming now.

1487
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,359
He was compensating. He was hyper compensating. Oh, you know

1488
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,159
what masculinity now that I think of it.

1489
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,279
Speaker 2: When I had a Shakespeare class in office of grad

1490
01:23:19,319 --> 01:23:22,600
school or undergrad, but the professor who was total shit

1491
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,000
live like, he was trying to argue that, oh, this

1492
01:23:25,239 --> 01:23:32,800
is you know, Shakespeare's repressed, you know, queer whatever. I mean,

1493
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,840
they just do this about everything. Everything is repressed, queer

1494
01:23:36,039 --> 01:23:39,720
writing Hamlet was gay, Yeah, exactly, this kind of stuff

1495
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:45,479
that's true. But they'll say it. I mean, they're blasphemous.

1496
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,520
And they'll say about the Bible too, be like, oh,

1497
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,960
I mean, I don't mean to be blasphemous, but they'll say, well,

1498
01:23:51,039 --> 01:23:54,439
when Jesus rests on John, the disciples breast, that's a

1499
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,760
clear sign of this is snuggling.

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01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:57,039
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1501
01:23:57,079 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're so gay, Like the professor are so gay

1502
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,439
that they'll they'll everything is gay.

1503
01:24:03,319 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 4: That's a giant becomes a giant projection. What's that becomes

1504
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:10,640
a huge projection.

1505
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,239
Speaker 2: Right, exactly, That's what I'm trying.

1506
01:24:13,399 --> 01:24:17,199
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that kind of relates to to the well,

1507
01:24:17,239 --> 01:24:21,720
everybody's everyone's a fed, everyone's a you know, look at

1508
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,640
these people. They're they're Russian bots, They're they're taking money

1509
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:25,239
from Russia.

1510
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 2: Remember Kinsey too, Remember when Kinsey put out his studies

1511
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:36,439
that vindicated the claim supposedly through quote science, which turns

1512
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:39,319
out it was all like fraudulent, But that allowed academia

1513
01:24:39,399 --> 01:24:42,520
to say, oh, actually turns out everyone is gay. It's

1514
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,439
just a spectrum. Yeah.

1515
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,560
Speaker 4: Well, like, well, Jim Jones, everyone is gay. Jim Jones

1516
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:51,000
whole thing was everyone is gay except him. Every man

1517
01:24:51,039 --> 01:24:53,479
in the world is gay except Jim Jones. And he

1518
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:57,239
would help to prove this to them by sodomizing the

1519
01:24:57,359 --> 01:25:02,199
men to prove the It was like the most twisted thing,

1520
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,239
everyone else is gay, sent me, and I'll prove it

1521
01:25:05,279 --> 01:25:09,199
to you by doing gay acts to you. I'll condescend

1522
01:25:09,279 --> 01:25:11,920
to you because I'm such a good guy, and I'll

1523
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,479
prove to you that you're gay, but I'm not. But

1524
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:16,920
I'll do the gross. It's really gross, but I'll do it.

1525
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:23,439
It's like what right, Yeah, yeah, well hey man, let's uh,

1526
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:25,800
I'm gonna wrap it up. I don't want to take

1527
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,039
too much your time here, it's getting a little late.

1528
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:31,000
But yeah, i'd love to do some Uh you know

1529
01:25:31,039 --> 01:25:33,800
that we got that way with Walter Littman and and

1530
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,520
Burnet's you. We have to tie that into something fun too,

1531
01:25:38,399 --> 01:25:41,520
Tavistock and tie that we can maybe do Beatles Tavistock.

1532
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:42,039
Speaker 5: Uh.

1533
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,039
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of connections there.

1534
01:25:44,319 --> 01:25:49,159
Speaker 2: If you don't have a a physical copy. I did

1535
01:25:49,319 --> 01:25:53,800
find somebody uploaded the entire audio of Coleman's Tavistoc book.

1536
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 4: If you want that, let me check if I got

1537
01:25:56,039 --> 01:25:59,479
the physical copy, I'll let you know. I think I

1538
01:25:59,640 --> 01:25:59,880
do have.

1539
01:26:00,039 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 2: It is out by the way it is reprinted, so

1540
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:03,880
you can't get the physical copy.

1541
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:05,520
Speaker 4: I think I have a lot of books that are

1542
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:09,520
at my mother in law's house still that we want

1543
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,640
to get shipped. But yeah, I have stored stored a

1544
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,079
lot of books there unless she got rid of them.

1545
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:16,039
She might won't be mad if she got rid of them.

1546
01:26:16,279 --> 01:26:19,600
Boxes and boxes of them. But yeah, we'll do that.

1547
01:26:20,039 --> 01:26:21,760
We'll do the thing. We do the thing. Maybe we

1548
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,720
should do some some movie reviews to coming up.

1549
01:26:24,079 --> 01:26:26,079
Speaker 2: Absolutely great chat Man, Thanks for cool.

1550
01:26:26,119 --> 01:26:28,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got to you've got a show coming up

1551
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,479
tomorrow night or when you when are you gonna do

1552
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,880
your debate? Stream You set up a debate today.

1553
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,520
Speaker 2: Afternoon because Cotel was streaming, and then I think Sunday

1554
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,880
I'll be on a show with Shane Cashman.

1555
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,359
Speaker 4: For that name, who's Shane Cashman?

1556
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:46,079
Speaker 2: It sounds familiar, Temple buddy libertarian guy.

1557
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 4: Oh you get those get them rubles? Huh.

1558
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 2: I'm not sure we wants to talk about.

1559
01:26:52,119 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 4: But you wear your KG beanie on that one too.

1560
01:26:57,079 --> 01:27:01,600
I like that Jay's handler. Jay's handler's out there. Anybody

1561
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,479
that has ever met Tim Poole, Now, I'm sure that

1562
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:08,840
people Tim Poole associate rushouldn't bought Yeah, through six, you're

1563
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,359
gonna get six degrees of separation. I'm now a Tim Poole.

1564
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 3: Uh.

1565
01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 4: You know, I I probably have a whole closet full

1566
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,039
of KG beanies because I know Jay and Jay has

1567
01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:20,119
personally met and been on Tim pool.

1568
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:22,520
Speaker 2: That was pretty funny. Mark Dice put up a picture

1569
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,039
of him wearing a beanie with like the Soviet.

1570
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 4: That that's funny. That's why I've got on the thumbnail here.

1571
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,199
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to Soviet beanie now that'll

1572
01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:35,319
be funny, like next time if I go back on Tim, I.

1573
01:27:35,319 --> 01:27:37,079
Speaker 4: Don't even you can't even see it. But yeah, that's

1574
01:27:37,079 --> 01:27:39,520
the background of the of our thing right here. We

1575
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,199
got James Bond from the from Russia with love with

1576
01:27:43,399 --> 01:27:48,279
a with a KGB beanie on in honor of In

1577
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:54,119
honor of comrade pool tim Well bro brother brother j Danovich.

1578
01:27:54,279 --> 01:27:56,119
We thank you very much for coming.

1579
01:27:58,079 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 2: I'll send you the Dugan coin I owe you after this.

1580
01:28:01,039 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, three three d g N coin three point zero

1581
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:09,800
DGN equals one beat DC in mal Ussia. Uh La

1582
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,359
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