Speaker 1: Baby, you're a gangstato.
Speaker 2: It takes a little tangle.
Speaker 3: You don't want to mess with me.
Speaker 2: Mess with me, baby, I'm a gangstato.
Speaker 3: Pach baby, you're a game.
Speaker 4: Statue for the warning.
Speaker 5: This podcast is designed to take you outside of your
Speaker 5: comfort zone and make you question reality. Listener discretion is
Speaker 5: a vibe, fellas.
Speaker 6: This ain't my first time at the Rodeosh.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need you to walk me through it happened.
Speaker 4: Part of this process is the two of you reconnecting,
Speaker 4: growing closer as brothers.
Speaker 2: Eric and I killed our parents together, so I'd say
Speaker 2: that makes us pretty close. It's up to us now, right,
Speaker 2: and they would be proud of us. They would be
Speaker 2: proud of us.
Speaker 6: I don't then getting rid of that.
Speaker 4: It's gonna make me feel better.
Speaker 1: I'm having these nightmares.
Speaker 3: You're not getting it. You don't fucking get it.
Speaker 2: Eric, we did it. We fucking did it. Hold on,
Speaker 2: she's sort of a girl. Cheese and tapwater.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how many shrimp do you have?
Speaker 7: Like an actual number?
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 7: Our life was one thing, and we decided we weren't
Speaker 7: gonna take that anymore. Starting right now, we're gonna demand
Speaker 7: more out of life and we are never gonna fucking
Speaker 7: go back.
Speaker 1: You don't murder your parents like way. It's literally defacing them.
Speaker 1: That's not about money, that's about some things deeper and darker.
Speaker 2: Eric, I know that they would be proud of us.
Speaker 8: And Welcome to the Menindez Brothers Part two. So in
Speaker 8: the first episode, we covered a lot of ground discussing
Speaker 8: the basics of the investigation, and we watched a lot
Speaker 8: of trial footage with my commentary, today's the fun part.
Speaker 8: Today we're going to address some of the more conspiratorial points. Okay,
Speaker 8: it's absolutely, in my opinion, a complete setup. The Menindez
Speaker 8: Brothers didn't stand a fucking chance, dudent. They were made
Speaker 8: an example out of everything about this story, down to
Speaker 8: the black and white tile floors throughout the Menindaz mansion,
Speaker 8: which I will show you in a minute scream satanic
Speaker 8: ritual abuse from yet another Hollywood elite Scumback at the
Speaker 8: end of this episode for you Patreon subscribers, we are
Speaker 8: also going to take a look at the possibility this
Speaker 8: was all fake and staged in some curious numbers that
Speaker 8: keep popping up throughout this case that might point in
Speaker 8: that direction, because what kind of conspiracy theory podcast host
Speaker 8: would I be if we didn't look at all the
Speaker 8: possible options. But right now we're gonna go with the
Speaker 8: second scenario that I laid out in the first episode,
Speaker 8: which is these boys got screwed in more ways than one,
Speaker 8: starting with the fact that the trial was absolutely, in
Speaker 8: my opinion, railroaded. So, like I said, it's my opinion,
Speaker 8: but it seems that these boys were going to be
Speaker 8: made an example out of and the fucking da succeeded
Speaker 8: in that endeavor. Everything you heard from the last episode
Speaker 8: was in the first trial, the trial that got railroaded.
Speaker 8: It was declared a mistrial due to a hung jury. Now,
Speaker 8: according to the show Monsters and Wikipedia, the women on
Speaker 8: the panel wanted to go for manslaughter, which was a
Speaker 8: significantly lesser sentence, and the men on the jury wouldn't
Speaker 8: budge saying boys can't get raped, quote unquote. I understand
Speaker 8: that this was all before the meet viewers and the
Speaker 8: overly sensitive blue hairs who made the act of giving
Speaker 8: someone a hug some form of fucking rape. But really,
Speaker 8: to my male listeners out there, when you listen to
Speaker 8: the testimony of Lyle and Eric, did you think to yourself. Well,
Speaker 8: I bet they secretly liked it. This is my first problem,
Speaker 8: because I'm not buying it. The DA at the time
Speaker 8: of the Menindez brothers trial, gil Garcetti, also the DA
Speaker 8: for the OJ case, but we'll get to that in
Speaker 8: a minute, was up for reelection and stated several times
Speaker 8: that he needed a win. I believe he played a
Speaker 8: significant part in the hung jury for the first trial,
Speaker 8: and he personally recommended a retrial for the brothers. But
Speaker 8: the second trial was a complete and total fucking scam.
Speaker 8: None of the abuse testimony was allowed in the second trial.
Speaker 8: Lyle was not allowed to testify at all in the
Speaker 8: second trial, and the option of manslaughter was completely taken
Speaker 8: off the table. It was literally designed to bring about
Speaker 8: first degree murder charges, and the DA was certainly pushing
Speaker 8: for the death penalty. Again, I believe this was designed
Speaker 8: to make them Menindez Brothers an exampole. Hey all you
Speaker 8: kids out there who think the justice system works for
Speaker 8: people like you, when you come out against the pedaphocracy,
Speaker 8: this is what we have for you, right, That's the message,
Speaker 8: which is why maybe it was so highly sensationalized, right, like, Hey,
Speaker 8: look what happens when you decide to talk about your
Speaker 8: executive dad rape it on you. Look what happens if
Speaker 8: you just can't take one more ass rape from your
Speaker 8: dad and you have to blow his fucking face off
Speaker 8: to get it to stop. We'll railroad your trial and
Speaker 8: give you life in prison accompanied by more ass rape.
Speaker 8: I'm sure, thanks Justice System. You guys are the best.
Speaker 8: But so, as I mentioned earlier, how does the OJ
Speaker 8: connection play into all of this? So the initial connection
Speaker 8: was a professional one and began long before the murders
Speaker 8: that would make them infamous. Jose Menendez, top executive CFO
Speaker 8: and general manager at the Hurtz rental car company at
Speaker 8: the time, signed fucking OJ Simpson to a made Your
Speaker 8: Advertising endorsement deal, and the business relationship led to personal
Speaker 8: interactions because OJ visited the Menindez house on several occasions
Speaker 8: when Lyle and Eric were kids, and Lyle actually talked
Speaker 8: about how he played catch in their backyard with OJ
Speaker 8: Simpson and got an autographed football. So it's gonna get
Speaker 8: a little murky here, but let's just get through the basics.
Speaker 8: These three men cross paths again years later, under extraordinary
Speaker 8: or maybe not so extraordinary circumstances at the Los Angeles
Speaker 8: County Ben's Central Jail. So Eric Menindez and Oj became
Speaker 8: fucking sell neighbors. Shortly after OJ got arrested after the
Speaker 8: whole low speed chase in June nineteen ninety four. Eric
Speaker 8: had already been in jail for several years and was
Speaker 8: awaiting his retrial and told ojh, you know, some advice
Speaker 8: on jail life and handling the media or whatever he said.
Speaker 8: And Eric even claimed he helped OJ connect with the
Speaker 8: lawyer Johnny Cochrane, who became the key figure in Simpson's
Speaker 8: dream team. So Lyle Menndez also had numerous conversations with
Speaker 8: Oj in the attorney meeting room. He says they spoke
Speaker 8: over one hundred times, and Lyle advised Simpson to consider
Speaker 8: a plea bargain, believing the public might understand if the
Speaker 8: murders were presented as a crime of passion rather than
Speaker 8: premeditating acts. And OJ didn't take the advice because he
Speaker 8: was a concerned about his reputation and be convinced he
Speaker 8: would be acquitted. And I'm sure his confidence was coming
Speaker 8: from somewhere if you listened to mine. In JJ's episode
Speaker 8: the OJ Debate, OJ did not do it. I think
Speaker 8: that plays a part in this whole thing with the
Speaker 8: Menendez brothers, but I'll expand on that in a minute.
Speaker 8: The outcomes of both of their trials were highly publicized
Speaker 8: and called the trials of the century, but they were
Speaker 8: drastically different. Right, Simpson was acquitted of criminal murder charges
Speaker 8: October nineteen ninety five. Everybody was shocked, but he was acquitted. Okay,
Speaker 8: glove don't fit the whole thing. The Menendez brothers there
Speaker 8: in the show Monsters, at least their catchphrase was if
Speaker 8: you have been abused, you cannot be accused, which, hey,
Speaker 8: I like it. I wish they would have went with it.
Speaker 8: They should have put it on a fucking T shirt.
Speaker 8: They should have fucking done anything they can to draw
Speaker 8: attention to themselves, because that's essentially what oj did. And
Speaker 8: it was a whole public fiasco. And yeah, he was acquitted,
Speaker 8: But the Menindez brothers had their second trial began just
Speaker 8: eight days eight days after Simpson's acquittal. Both Eric and
Speaker 8: Lyle believed that the public outrage over the Simpson verdict
Speaker 8: negatively impacted their case, as prosecutors were determined to secure
Speaker 8: convictions to restore faith in the justice system and the
Speaker 8: reelection of the fucking dee and to send a message.
Speaker 8: They were convicted of first degree murder in nineteen ninety
Speaker 8: six and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Now,
Speaker 8: there are more than a few bizarre connections between these cases.
Speaker 8: OJ and the Menindez brothers, including the same coroner worked
Speaker 8: on both cases. The same defense lawyer was initially hired,
Speaker 8: Robert Shapiro, and it seems like both of the cases
Speaker 8: are at this intersection of fame, wealth, Los Angeles and
Speaker 8: the corrupt justice system. Now, this Robert Shapiro guy, I
Speaker 8: think he could be a setup guy. This is the
Speaker 8: guy that slips his way in there when somebody's about
Speaker 8: to get set the fuck up. He got fired from
Speaker 8: the Menindez brother and from OJ because he was literally
Speaker 8: he's supposed to be defending them and he's getting them
Speaker 8: set the fuck up. If OJ really didn't do it
Speaker 8: right in his initial defense attorney was Robert Shapiro, and
Speaker 8: the Menindez brothers initially hired Robert Shapiro, and they both
Speaker 8: fired him. You might start thinking that this guy pops
Speaker 8: up when it's time for a setup. But luckily they
Speaker 8: got other people to represent them, because this guy is
Speaker 8: no fucking good now because OJ was acquitted, the DA
Speaker 8: did everything in his power to get the Menindez brothers convicted.
Speaker 8: But what about some more points of contention, Because you
Speaker 8: can be an asshole and still get raped by your dad, right,
Speaker 8: people talk about how maybe Lyle and Eric were spoiled
Speaker 8: rich boys after all, and they did some shady shit
Speaker 8: during their trials and it made them look like fucking
Speaker 8: pieces of scum. And sure, it's just like with the
Speaker 8: Scott Peterson case, like we talked about with JJ Vance,
Speaker 8: you can be a scumbag without murdering your wife, and
Speaker 8: you can be a spoiled rich boy without having made
Speaker 8: everything up about the abuse. You can get raped by
Speaker 8: your dad and still be a spoiled brat. That shit
Speaker 8: could really be happening. So all the points of contention
Speaker 8: really focus around Lyle. Honestly. Maybe you know, we can
Speaker 8: look at some clips from Monsters to demonstrate this, but
Speaker 8: the main ones are that Lyle was asking people to
Speaker 8: lie for him, and Lyle was recorded saying he was
Speaker 8: practicing crying. Now let's just have honest hour right now, okay,
Speaker 8: because neither of these things actually bother me first off,
Speaker 8: the abuse that happened to Lyle happened between the ages
Speaker 8: of six and eight. The dude's almost thirty, and he's
Speaker 8: probably disassociated and blocked a lot of that shit out.
Speaker 8: It's possible, Okay, it's possible that when he talks about
Speaker 8: these things, it's hard for him to connect with those
Speaker 8: emotions because he's spent a large part of his life
Speaker 8: trying to disconnect from them. Listen, the worst thing that's
Speaker 8: ever happened to me was when I watched my mom
Speaker 8: take her last breath. It took me a long time
Speaker 8: to be able to talk about it or even think
Speaker 8: about it without having an actual breakdown, not like metaphorically
Speaker 8: a breakdown, but a literal breakdown. She died in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 8: In a lot of ways, it feels like it was yesterday,
Speaker 8: and in a lot of ways it feels like a
Speaker 8: long time ago, which hurts my feelings to admit. But
Speaker 8: sometimes I have to really try to remember certain things, memories,
Speaker 8: what life was like with her. But one day I
Speaker 8: just woke up and it was the new normal, and
Speaker 8: I was able to talk about her and talk about
Speaker 8: her death and life and I didn't cry. It's part
Speaker 8: of the healing process. Okay, that's natural. We're talking about
Speaker 8: something that happened eight years ago. For me, wile is
Speaker 8: talking about something that happened to him when he was
Speaker 8: six to eight years old, and the dude was like
Speaker 8: twenty five by the time they got their sentences. Again,
Speaker 8: he's probably disassociated from those memories a lot. Maybe he
Speaker 8: does need to practice crying. His fucking life is on
Speaker 8: the line and they're trying to give him the gas chamber.
Speaker 8: You might want to make sure you can convey some
Speaker 8: heavy emotions. You might want to connect with the jury
Speaker 8: as much as you can. Tell me you wouldn't feel
Speaker 8: that way. Yes, it could still happen, and he could
Speaker 8: still have to practice crying. Those things can exist. At
Speaker 8: the same time, people act like they're retarded. Think about
Speaker 8: this shit. It happened when he was six to eight
Speaker 8: years old, and he probably has dis a fucking associated
Speaker 8: from all that, and he's got to bring that back
Speaker 8: up in himself. Maybe he was practicing crying. Okay, nobody
Speaker 8: wants the gas chamber, all right, Eric, Sure the fuck
Speaker 8: didn't have a problem crying. He experienced it all the
Speaker 8: way up until a few months before his father's and
Speaker 8: mother's death. Okay, he had no problem tuning into those emotions,
Speaker 8: they were still fresh for him. But how about Lyle
Speaker 8: asking people to lie for him to the extent they
Speaker 8: portrayed in Monsters. I'm not sure, But again, yeah he
Speaker 8: fucked up. Okay, but he's literally fighting for his life.
Speaker 8: No one but maybe one or two people ever knew
Speaker 8: what was going on in that house. Okay, so he's
Speaker 8: asking people so maybe, you know, make some shit up
Speaker 8: so he doesn't have to get the gas chamber. Hello. Again,
Speaker 8: understandable in my opinion. All right, yeah, he shouldn't have
Speaker 8: done that. He fucked up. He let people record him,
Speaker 8: and he wrote shit in letters that he definitely needed
Speaker 8: to keep to his back him self. But two things
Speaker 8: can exist at the same time. Maybe not a lot
Speaker 8: of people knew about the abuse, and you're up for
Speaker 8: the gas chamber and you're asking some people to consider
Speaker 8: making up some shit. All right, so you have a case.
Speaker 8: But let's actually take a look at his body language
Speaker 8: and Eric's body language from this psychologist. He's some kind
Speaker 8: of an analyst on deception and body language and whatever else.
Speaker 8: Maybe he's a sack of shit. It's like, oh, you're
Speaker 8: a psychologist, so therefore you can tell me if they're
Speaker 8: lying or not. You know, that might be a nice
Speaker 8: party trick, or he could be you know, there could
Speaker 8: be something to it. I don't know, Okay, but he
Speaker 8: says he's an expert on the shit. I get exactly
Speaker 8: what he's talking about in the clips that he uses
Speaker 8: as examples. I can understand where that's coming from, and
Speaker 8: I thought that you all might think it was interesting.
Speaker 8: So before we jump right into these clips, I also
Speaker 8: want to show a few other clips and interesting things
Speaker 8: that I have found about the trial. And then we're
Speaker 8: gonna look at some numbers and some weird coincidences that
Speaker 8: may actually point in the direction of all this being
Speaker 8: a fucking Hollywood production. But only those Cosmic Peach listeners
Speaker 8: true of heart may continue beyond this point. Oh yeah,
Speaker 8: we're just getting to the good part.
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