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<v Speaker 1>Baby, you're a gangstato.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes a little tangle.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't want to mess with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Mess with me, baby, I'm a gangstato.

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<v Speaker 3>Pach baby, you're a game.

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<v Speaker 4>Statue for the warning.

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<v Speaker 5>This podcast is designed to take you outside of your

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<v Speaker 5>comfort zone and make you question reality. Listener discretion is

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<v Speaker 5>a vibe, fellas.

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<v Speaker 6>This ain't my first time at the Rodeosh.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna need you to walk me through it happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Part of this process is the two of you reconnecting,

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<v Speaker 4>growing closer as brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric and I killed our parents together, so I'd say

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<v Speaker 2>that makes us pretty close. It's up to us now, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and they would be proud of us. They would be

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<v Speaker 2>proud of us.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't then getting rid of that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gonna make me feel better.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having these nightmares.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not getting it. You don't fucking get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric, we did it. We fucking did it. Hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>she's sort of a girl. Cheese and tapwater.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, how many shrimp do you have?

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<v Speaker 7>Like an actual number?

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<v Speaker 1>M hm.

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<v Speaker 7>Our life was one thing, and we decided we weren't

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<v Speaker 7>gonna take that anymore. Starting right now, we're gonna demand

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<v Speaker 7>more out of life and we are never gonna fucking

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<v Speaker 7>go back.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't murder your parents like way. It's literally defacing them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not about money, that's about some things deeper and darker.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric, I know that they would be proud of us.

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<v Speaker 8>And Welcome to the Menindez Brothers Part two. So in

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<v Speaker 8>the first episode, we covered a lot of ground discussing

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<v Speaker 8>the basics of the investigation, and we watched a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of trial footage with my commentary, today's the fun part.

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<v Speaker 8>Today we're going to address some of the more conspiratorial points. Okay,

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<v Speaker 8>it's absolutely, in my opinion, a complete setup. The Menindez

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<v Speaker 8>Brothers didn't stand a fucking chance, dudent. They were made

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<v Speaker 8>an example out of everything about this story, down to

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<v Speaker 8>the black and white tile floors throughout the Menindaz mansion,

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<v Speaker 8>which I will show you in a minute scream satanic

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<v Speaker 8>ritual abuse from yet another Hollywood elite Scumback at the

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<v Speaker 8>end of this episode for you Patreon subscribers, we are

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<v Speaker 8>also going to take a look at the possibility this

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<v Speaker 8>was all fake and staged in some curious numbers that

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<v Speaker 8>keep popping up throughout this case that might point in

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<v Speaker 8>that direction, because what kind of conspiracy theory podcast host

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<v Speaker 8>would I be if we didn't look at all the

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<v Speaker 8>possible options. But right now we're gonna go with the

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<v Speaker 8>second scenario that I laid out in the first episode,

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<v Speaker 8>which is these boys got screwed in more ways than one,

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<v Speaker 8>starting with the fact that the trial was absolutely, in

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<v Speaker 8>my opinion, railroaded. So, like I said, it's my opinion,

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<v Speaker 8>but it seems that these boys were going to be

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<v Speaker 8>made an example out of and the fucking da succeeded

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<v Speaker 8>in that endeavor. Everything you heard from the last episode

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<v Speaker 8>was in the first trial, the trial that got railroaded.

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<v Speaker 8>It was declared a mistrial due to a hung jury. Now,

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<v Speaker 8>according to the show Monsters and Wikipedia, the women on

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<v Speaker 8>the panel wanted to go for manslaughter, which was a

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<v Speaker 8>significantly lesser sentence, and the men on the jury wouldn't

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<v Speaker 8>budge saying boys can't get raped, quote unquote. I understand

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<v Speaker 8>that this was all before the meet viewers and the

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<v Speaker 8>overly sensitive blue hairs who made the act of giving

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<v Speaker 8>someone a hug some form of fucking rape. But really,

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<v Speaker 8>to my male listeners out there, when you listen to

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<v Speaker 8>the testimony of Lyle and Eric, did you think to yourself. Well,

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<v Speaker 8>I bet they secretly liked it. This is my first problem,

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<v Speaker 8>because I'm not buying it. The DA at the time

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<v Speaker 8>of the Menindez brothers trial, gil Garcetti, also the DA

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<v Speaker 8>for the OJ case, but we'll get to that in

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<v Speaker 8>a minute, was up for reelection and stated several times

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<v Speaker 8>that he needed a win. I believe he played a

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<v Speaker 8>significant part in the hung jury for the first trial,

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<v Speaker 8>and he personally recommended a retrial for the brothers. But

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<v Speaker 8>the second trial was a complete and total fucking scam.

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<v Speaker 8>None of the abuse testimony was allowed in the second trial.

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<v Speaker 8>Lyle was not allowed to testify at all in the

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<v Speaker 8>second trial, and the option of manslaughter was completely taken

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<v Speaker 8>off the table. It was literally designed to bring about

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<v Speaker 8>first degree murder charges, and the DA was certainly pushing

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<v Speaker 8>for the death penalty. Again, I believe this was designed

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<v Speaker 8>to make them Menindez Brothers an exampole. Hey all you

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<v Speaker 8>kids out there who think the justice system works for

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<v Speaker 8>people like you, when you come out against the pedaphocracy,

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<v Speaker 8>this is what we have for you, right, That's the message,

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<v Speaker 8>which is why maybe it was so highly sensationalized, right, like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 8>look what happens when you decide to talk about your

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<v Speaker 8>executive dad rape it on you. Look what happens if

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<v Speaker 8>you just can't take one more ass rape from your

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<v Speaker 8>dad and you have to blow his fucking face off

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<v Speaker 8>to get it to stop. We'll railroad your trial and

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<v Speaker 8>give you life in prison accompanied by more ass rape.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm sure, thanks Justice System. You guys are the best.

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<v Speaker 8>But so, as I mentioned earlier, how does the OJ

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<v Speaker 8>connection play into all of this? So the initial connection

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<v Speaker 8>was a professional one and began long before the murders

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<v Speaker 8>that would make them infamous. Jose Menendez, top executive CFO

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<v Speaker 8>and general manager at the Hurtz rental car company at

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<v Speaker 8>the time, signed fucking OJ Simpson to a made Your

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<v Speaker 8>Advertising endorsement deal, and the business relationship led to personal

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<v Speaker 8>interactions because OJ visited the Menindez house on several occasions

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<v Speaker 8>when Lyle and Eric were kids, and Lyle actually talked

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<v Speaker 8>about how he played catch in their backyard with OJ

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<v Speaker 8>Simpson and got an autographed football. So it's gonna get

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<v Speaker 8>a little murky here, but let's just get through the basics.

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<v Speaker 8>These three men cross paths again years later, under extraordinary

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<v Speaker 8>or maybe not so extraordinary circumstances at the Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 8>County Ben's Central Jail. So Eric Menindez and Oj became

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<v Speaker 8>fucking sell neighbors. Shortly after OJ got arrested after the

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<v Speaker 8>whole low speed chase in June nineteen ninety four. Eric

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<v Speaker 8>had already been in jail for several years and was

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<v Speaker 8>awaiting his retrial and told ojh, you know, some advice

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<v Speaker 8>on jail life and handling the media or whatever he said.

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<v Speaker 8>And Eric even claimed he helped OJ connect with the

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<v Speaker 8>lawyer Johnny Cochrane, who became the key figure in Simpson's

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<v Speaker 8>dream team. So Lyle Menndez also had numerous conversations with

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<v Speaker 8>Oj in the attorney meeting room. He says they spoke

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<v Speaker 8>over one hundred times, and Lyle advised Simpson to consider

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<v Speaker 8>a plea bargain, believing the public might understand if the

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<v Speaker 8>murders were presented as a crime of passion rather than

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<v Speaker 8>premeditating acts. And OJ didn't take the advice because he

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<v Speaker 8>was a concerned about his reputation and be convinced he

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<v Speaker 8>would be acquitted. And I'm sure his confidence was coming

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<v Speaker 8>from somewhere if you listened to mine. In JJ's episode

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<v Speaker 8>the OJ Debate, OJ did not do it. I think

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<v Speaker 8>that plays a part in this whole thing with the

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<v Speaker 8>Menendez brothers, but I'll expand on that in a minute.

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<v Speaker 8>The outcomes of both of their trials were highly publicized

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<v Speaker 8>and called the trials of the century, but they were

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<v Speaker 8>drastically different. Right, Simpson was acquitted of criminal murder charges

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<v Speaker 8>October nineteen ninety five. Everybody was shocked, but he was acquitted. Okay,

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<v Speaker 8>glove don't fit the whole thing. The Menendez brothers there

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<v Speaker 8>in the show Monsters, at least their catchphrase was if

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<v Speaker 8>you have been abused, you cannot be accused, which, hey,

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<v Speaker 8>I like it. I wish they would have went with it.

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<v Speaker 8>They should have put it on a fucking T shirt.

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<v Speaker 8>They should have fucking done anything they can to draw

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<v Speaker 8>attention to themselves, because that's essentially what oj did. And

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<v Speaker 8>it was a whole public fiasco. And yeah, he was acquitted,

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<v Speaker 8>But the Menindez brothers had their second trial began just

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<v Speaker 8>eight days eight days after Simpson's acquittal. Both Eric and

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<v Speaker 8>Lyle believed that the public outrage over the Simpson verdict

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<v Speaker 8>negatively impacted their case, as prosecutors were determined to secure

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<v Speaker 8>convictions to restore faith in the justice system and the

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<v Speaker 8>reelection of the fucking dee and to send a message.

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<v Speaker 8>They were convicted of first degree murder in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 8>six and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Now,

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<v Speaker 8>there are more than a few bizarre connections between these cases.

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<v Speaker 8>OJ and the Menindez brothers, including the same coroner worked

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<v Speaker 8>on both cases. The same defense lawyer was initially hired,

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<v Speaker 8>Robert Shapiro, and it seems like both of the cases

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<v Speaker 8>are at this intersection of fame, wealth, Los Angeles and

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<v Speaker 8>the corrupt justice system. Now, this Robert Shapiro guy, I

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<v Speaker 8>think he could be a setup guy. This is the

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<v Speaker 8>guy that slips his way in there when somebody's about

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<v Speaker 8>to get set the fuck up. He got fired from

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<v Speaker 8>the Menindez brother and from OJ because he was literally

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<v Speaker 8>he's supposed to be defending them and he's getting them

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<v Speaker 8>set the fuck up. If OJ really didn't do it

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<v Speaker 8>right in his initial defense attorney was Robert Shapiro, and

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<v Speaker 8>the Menindez brothers initially hired Robert Shapiro, and they both

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<v Speaker 8>fired him. You might start thinking that this guy pops

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<v Speaker 8>up when it's time for a setup. But luckily they

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<v Speaker 8>got other people to represent them, because this guy is

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<v Speaker 8>no fucking good now because OJ was acquitted, the DA

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<v Speaker 8>did everything in his power to get the Menindez brothers convicted.

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<v Speaker 8>But what about some more points of contention, Because you

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<v Speaker 8>can be an asshole and still get raped by your dad, right,

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<v Speaker 8>people talk about how maybe Lyle and Eric were spoiled

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<v Speaker 8>rich boys after all, and they did some shady shit

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<v Speaker 8>during their trials and it made them look like fucking

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<v Speaker 8>pieces of scum. And sure, it's just like with the

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<v Speaker 8>Scott Peterson case, like we talked about with JJ Vance,

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<v Speaker 8>you can be a scumbag without murdering your wife, and

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<v Speaker 8>you can be a spoiled rich boy without having made

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<v Speaker 8>everything up about the abuse. You can get raped by

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<v Speaker 8>your dad and still be a spoiled brat. That shit

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<v Speaker 8>could really be happening. So all the points of contention

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<v Speaker 8>really focus around Lyle. Honestly. Maybe you know, we can

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<v Speaker 8>look at some clips from Monsters to demonstrate this, but

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<v Speaker 8>the main ones are that Lyle was asking people to

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<v Speaker 8>lie for him, and Lyle was recorded saying he was

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<v Speaker 8>practicing crying. Now let's just have honest hour right now, okay,

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<v Speaker 8>because neither of these things actually bother me first off,

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<v Speaker 8>the abuse that happened to Lyle happened between the ages

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<v Speaker 8>of six and eight. The dude's almost thirty, and he's

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<v Speaker 8>probably disassociated and blocked a lot of that shit out.

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<v Speaker 8>It's possible, Okay, it's possible that when he talks about

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<v Speaker 8>these things, it's hard for him to connect with those

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<v Speaker 8>emotions because he's spent a large part of his life

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<v Speaker 8>trying to disconnect from them. Listen, the worst thing that's

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<v Speaker 8>ever happened to me was when I watched my mom

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<v Speaker 8>take her last breath. It took me a long time

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<v Speaker 8>to be able to talk about it or even think

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<v Speaker 8>about it without having an actual breakdown, not like metaphorically

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<v Speaker 8>a breakdown, but a literal breakdown. She died in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 8>In a lot of ways, it feels like it was yesterday,

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<v Speaker 8>long time ago, which hurts my feelings to admit. But

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<v Speaker 8>sometimes I have to really try to remember certain things, memories,

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<v Speaker 8>what life was like with her. But one day I

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<v Speaker 8>just woke up and it was the new normal, and

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<v Speaker 8>I was able to talk about her and talk about

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<v Speaker 8>her death and life and I didn't cry. It's part

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<v Speaker 8>of the healing process. Okay, that's natural. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 8>something that happened eight years ago. For me, wile is

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<v Speaker 8>talking about something that happened to him when he was

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<v Speaker 8>six to eight years old, and the dude was like

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<v Speaker 8>twenty five by the time they got their sentences. Again,

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<v Speaker 8>he's probably disassociated from those memories a lot. Maybe he

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<v Speaker 8>does need to practice crying. His fucking life is on

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<v Speaker 8>the line and they're trying to give him the gas chamber.

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<v Speaker 8>You might want to make sure you can convey some

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<v Speaker 8>as much as you can. Tell me you wouldn't feel

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<v Speaker 8>that way. Yes, it could still happen, and he could

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<v Speaker 8>still have to practice crying. Those things can exist. At

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<v Speaker 8>the same time, people act like they're retarded. Think about

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<v Speaker 8>this shit. It happened when he was six to eight

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<v Speaker 8>years old, and he probably has dis a fucking associated

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<v Speaker 8>from all that, and he's got to bring that back

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<v Speaker 8>up in himself. Maybe he was practicing crying. Okay, nobody

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<v Speaker 8>wants the gas chamber, all right, Eric, Sure the fuck

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<v Speaker 8>didn't have a problem crying. He experienced it all the

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<v Speaker 8>way up until a few months before his father's and

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<v Speaker 8>mother's death. Okay, he had no problem tuning into those emotions,

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<v Speaker 8>they were still fresh for him. But how about Lyle

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<v Speaker 8>asking people to lie for him to the extent they

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<v Speaker 8>portrayed in Monsters. I'm not sure, But again, yeah he

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<v Speaker 8>fucked up. Okay, but he's literally fighting for his life.

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<v Speaker 8>No one but maybe one or two people ever knew

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<v Speaker 8>what was going on in that house. Okay, so he's

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<v Speaker 8>asking people so maybe, you know, make some shit up

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<v Speaker 8>so he doesn't have to get the gas chamber. Hello. Again,

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<v Speaker 8>understandable in my opinion. All right, yeah, he shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 8>done that. He fucked up. He let people record him,

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<v Speaker 8>and he wrote shit in letters that he definitely needed

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<v Speaker 8>to keep to his back him self. But two things

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<v Speaker 8>can exist at the same time. Maybe not a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of people knew about the abuse, and you're up for

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<v Speaker 8>the gas chamber and you're asking some people to consider

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<v Speaker 8>making up some shit. All right, so you have a case.

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<v Speaker 8>But let's actually take a look at his body language

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<v Speaker 8>and Eric's body language from this psychologist. He's some kind

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<v Speaker 8>of an analyst on deception and body language and whatever else.

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<v Speaker 8>Maybe he's a sack of shit. It's like, oh, you're

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<v Speaker 8>a psychologist, so therefore you can tell me if they're

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<v Speaker 8>lying or not. You know, that might be a nice

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<v Speaker 8>party trick, or he could be you know, there could

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<v Speaker 8>be something to it. I don't know, Okay, but he

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<v Speaker 8>says he's an expert on the shit. I get exactly

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<v Speaker 8>what he's talking about in the clips that he uses

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<v Speaker 8>as examples. I can understand where that's coming from, and

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<v Speaker 8>I thought that you all might think it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 8>So before we jump right into these clips, I also

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<v Speaker 8>want to show a few other clips and interesting things

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<v Speaker 8>that I have found about the trial. And then we're

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<v Speaker 8>gonna look at some numbers and some weird coincidences that

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<v Speaker 8>may actually point in the direction of all this being

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<v Speaker 8>a fucking Hollywood production. But only those Cosmic Peach listeners

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<v Speaker 8>true of heart may continue beyond this point. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>we're just getting to the good part.

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