Speaker 1: You see somethings are going to happen?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What's going to happen?
Speaker 2: I'll take you one?
Speaker 3: What help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 4: This episode, we got myself, and we got the Headless Giant,
Speaker 4: and we got jewels, we got Branch, and we got
Speaker 4: Chris from Channel.
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Speaker 5: Thank you. I'm the Headless Giant. You can find me
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Speaker 4: jewels from Gray Pilled Podcasts joined us today as well.
Speaker 4: Always love having you on my man, What's up and
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Speaker 6: Please always love joining you guys. Man. It's always a
Speaker 6: good conversation and we always end up kind of learning
Speaker 6: something or getting something out of it as well. Guys.
Speaker 6: I'm Jewels, host of the Gray Pilled Podcast. I have
Speaker 6: a few shows I do. I run production for Austin
Speaker 6: Pacard and Jose Gallison show Already Dead every Tuesday eight
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Speaker 4: That's what's up man. Awesome, Yes, and I will include
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Speaker 7: All the shows are on my one page. Okay, so awesome,
Speaker 7: very easy to find. Yes, and uh, finally to a
Speaker 7: branch show. Sorry about that to branching Chris from Channel
Speaker 7: k okay.
Speaker 3: Uh. I guess maybe we'll start with you first, Chris.
Speaker 4: Why don't you introduce yourself so let us know what
Speaker 4: is up with you guys.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm Chris or As my moniker for my channel
Speaker 2: is King. Today you guys can come and King Weird
Speaker 2: since we'll be talking about with spiders and all the
Speaker 2: weirdness of weaving. But yeah, I do a channel called
Speaker 2: Channel Koka. We're alternative force against all the three letter
Speaker 2: network agencies. So you know, we're going up against scene
Speaker 2: in and ABC, NBC, A, MC, TN, T, HBO, you know,
Speaker 2: doing all those mombetic magics of pop culture and film
Speaker 2: and all the occult side of things and all the
Speaker 2: esoteric and exoteric. And then my co hosts for my
Speaker 2: channel of course is is There brands and we have
Speaker 2: a awesome kind of back and forth and we try
Speaker 2: to balance each other out, as the King of Cup does.
Speaker 2: It's all about balance. So check us out. And we
Speaker 2: have all kinds of step on chain of all kinds
Speaker 2: of different topics.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll have to say, you guys have covered some topics.
Speaker 4: I was like, that's actually interesting to think of to
Speaker 4: even cover the topic. It's definitely gonna be different stuff.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for coming on. And finally branch,
Speaker 4: just to let people know, I did have this man
Speaker 4: on the show probably about two years ago, so it's
Speaker 4: actually it's very nice to have this man back on.
Speaker 4: I had a great time with him the first time
Speaker 4: he was on, so it was a pleasure. Thank you
Speaker 4: very much, sir, and let everybody know what you deal
Speaker 4: with and stuff.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's nice to meet you all, and it's
Speaker 1: nice to be back Nick. Thank you for hosting. So
Speaker 1: I just do a lot of this stuff for fun.
Speaker 1: I collaborate a lot. So I did create a link
Speaker 1: tree that I can share with him and you can
Speaker 1: put in the description or something. But yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot to even mentioned. So if you want
Speaker 1: to collaborate or whatever, you can reach out to me.
Speaker 1: On Twitter, Instagram, I'm Apocalyptic Aesthetic on Instagram, and William
Speaker 1: Burke and there on Twitter. Thank you very much for
Speaker 1: having me. It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 4: Awesome, awesome, And today we're going to get into spider symbolism,
Speaker 4: which I think is a great topic to bring up.
Speaker 4: I myself, in certain logos I've used the spider. I
Speaker 4: don't think it probably may not necessarily be for the
Speaker 4: same reasons why we're going to talk about it today.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I have used the spider for symbolism
Speaker 4: myself and logos, but I'm normally taking it back to
Speaker 4: the optic nerve or the racketid layer of your brain.
Speaker 4: I'm more of using it for physiology. But I do
Speaker 4: think the spider is huge symbolism used for many different reasons.
Speaker 4: So we got Chris, and we got Branch, and I
Speaker 4: got Jules and Headliss to talk about this for like
Speaker 4: the next hour and a half.
Speaker 3: It's well, I'll have how long it takes.
Speaker 4: So I guess Chris, if you want Maybe or Branch,
Speaker 4: whichever one of you just want to start this off first,
Speaker 4: what got you into even doing it?
Speaker 3: Maybe?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I used to be in the at the
Speaker 2: dawn of twenty twenty, when you know everything that happened
Speaker 2: with the scamdemic and everything happened. I I was introduced
Speaker 2: to a community that referred to each other as as
Speaker 2: spiders and everything, and I just went head first into
Speaker 2: mametic magic and spider symbolism and weaving symbolism and everything,
Speaker 2: and I just I found my own synchronicities with the spiders,
Speaker 2: with spider symbolism. I just before we started the show, Nick,
Speaker 2: I told you I need a review on my channel
Speaker 2: of this Spider Verse movie. And as I was reviewing
Speaker 2: the movie, uh, spider hopped onto my computer screen for
Speaker 2: the hung out with me for the entire interviews, and
Speaker 2: then left as soon as I got done going live.
Speaker 2: Right before I joined you guys today, a spider crawled
Speaker 2: on my on my world right before I hopped on
Speaker 2: the stream with you guys. So it's it's all, it's all,
Speaker 2: it's all interconnected and everything. So and that's actually how
Speaker 2: I met the brand. So we met through the Spiders community.
Speaker 2: That's how we got introduced to each other, and and
Speaker 2: we do shows together all the time. And so I
Speaker 2: just I got really fascinated into this work and the
Speaker 2: work of the art of weaving, and it really it
Speaker 2: gets into you know, I know you guys talked about
Speaker 2: occult topics. Really chaos magic and mimetics is ancient weaving,
Speaker 2: and so I think that that would be an interesting
Speaker 2: place to start. Some A good example would be, of course,
Speaker 2: to the norns in as the Norse mythology goes, or
Speaker 2: in Greek you have the Mora, which is similar to
Speaker 2: the norms. It's a trinity of essentially goddesses and they
Speaker 2: represent past, present and future or fate, destiny and will.
Speaker 2: And really when you're when you're manifesting. And I don't
Speaker 2: practice chaos magic, I'm not a Chaostan magician. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: not promoting that. I'm just describing to you guide what
Speaker 2: what I understand. It's about when when you when you're
Speaker 2: when you're manifesting things, it you're essentially you're you're weaving.
Speaker 2: There's an interesting book called Weaving Fate Hypersiduals. It's it's
Speaker 2: called Weaven Think Hypersiduals, Changing Fate and telling true lies
Speaker 2: and essentially what it is, Yeah, what the true like
Speaker 2: the true lies thing is really interesting. Basically anything that
Speaker 2: doesn't exist in our reality is a lie. So when
Speaker 2: you're manifesting, you're turning something that's a lie into truth.
Speaker 2: You're bringing truth into our reality by creating something. And
Speaker 2: so that's a balancing of the fates you are you're
Speaker 2: going into with this. You know, your your headspace, your
Speaker 2: imaginal realm is what I like to refer to it as.
Speaker 2: And what a lot of new eager to get stuck
Speaker 2: at is that imaginal realm. It's all they just want
Speaker 2: to set in this imaginal realm and you know, meditate
Speaker 2: and have everything get created around them. What we're that's
Speaker 2: not that's only half of the process. They're not doing
Speaker 2: the second half. The second half is the physical work,
Speaker 2: because we are bridges of the the spirit world in
Speaker 2: the physical world. So when if you're really wanting to
Speaker 2: manifest with with chaos, magic or New Aids, manifesting whatever
Speaker 2: you're going to call it, or weaving, I would refer
Speaker 2: to it as as weaving. To weave your fate, you
Speaker 2: have to balance the whole visualization aspect of it and
Speaker 2: with the physical work. You have to bring your visualization
Speaker 2: into the physical by doing some kind of physical activity
Speaker 2: or laboring. Right, So, and that gets into mimetics as well,
Speaker 2: and that's what hyperstiduals are. So if you create art,
Speaker 2: you're hyperstitualists, you're creating mo medics. There's an interesting documentary
Speaker 2: called You Can't Kill Meme, and it's all about how
Speaker 2: chaos magicians help Donald Trump win his seventeen presidency. Maga,
Speaker 2: I see that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I've said before that Trump is probably, uh
Speaker 6: the most powerful chaos magi out there right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Even yeah, for his latest presidency, he even talked
Speaker 2: about weaving at one of his speeches and it turned
Speaker 2: into I don't know if you guys saw it, but
Speaker 2: everyone was making fun of him because he was like,
Speaker 2: it's the art of weaving, and he was like, you know,
Speaker 2: he was being a trumble about it and everything. But
Speaker 2: for me, it's just think Initially I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: he's talking about weaving. He's talking about bending his own
Speaker 2: reality to his will, and that's really what it is
Speaker 2: is you have to balance your fates. To weave with
Speaker 2: weaver hands, you have to balance the fates. You can't
Speaker 2: be living in the past, you can't be always looking
Speaker 2: to the future and to be if you're just stagnant
Speaker 2: in the present all the time, then you're not planning
Speaker 2: anything ahead and you're not learning from your past, so
Speaker 2: it's like balancing the fates. And to me, that's when
Speaker 2: you're talking about nostalgia, that it's an imbalance of the
Speaker 2: fates because you're always focusing on the past. And I
Speaker 2: think that's what nine eleven was all about because prior
Speaker 2: to ninety eleven, where everything was about the future and
Speaker 2: futuristic and after what after ninety eleven? Now it all
Speaker 2: this retro future mimmoibarites, you know, creating reboots and all this.
Speaker 2: So I think whatever energetic thing happened with ninety eleven
Speaker 2: was there had to do with some kind of chaos,
Speaker 2: kind of magic or the fates got disbalance, so that
Speaker 2: it's an interesting place to talk to start out, I
Speaker 2: feel like, is this idea of what weaving really is
Speaker 2: from a spiritual, magical perspective.
Speaker 5: To back you up on that, King, think about fashion
Speaker 5: since nine to eleven, right, fashion has been stuck in
Speaker 5: the same perpetual place ever since then, for you know,
Speaker 5: twenty five years now, there hasn't been a real big
Speaker 5: fashion trend that has taken off in all these decades
Speaker 5: from nine to eleven forward, seem like they're all collapsed.
Speaker 5: That doesn't seem like there's a big difference in fashion
Speaker 5: styles back to weaving since that time period. I think
Speaker 5: when people do these magical workings, there has to be
Speaker 5: an offset, there has to be a displacement of energy,
Speaker 5: and we see that when it comes to creativity since
Speaker 5: nine to eleven having to do with people's fashion. Before
Speaker 5: then you would have new innovations, new technologies, and new
Speaker 5: materials used in all of this fashion type endeavors. But
Speaker 5: now we're kind of stuck. It's the only innovations that
Speaker 5: we have is what new apps you can put on
Speaker 5: these phones. You know, nothing's really changed.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I did want to tell something to King that,
Speaker 6: you know. I know that Nick has had William Ramsey
Speaker 6: on the show before, and I've been reading his book
Speaker 6: on Crowley and how this nine to eleven basically was
Speaker 6: I think the final work for a ritual to bring
Speaker 6: about the aon of Horus, right, and you see it
Speaker 6: in the twin Towers representing eleven, right, and you know
Speaker 6: you have the famous picture of Crowley doing his you know,
Speaker 6: his I don't know what sign that is that that, yeah,
Speaker 6: which I think does represent the Towers in a way,
Speaker 6: as as well as eleven being a thelemic number two, right,
Speaker 6: So I definitely think it's tied into chaos magic more
Speaker 6: and more than a lot of people know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I never have thought about his pots being
Speaker 2: connected to eleven and the Twin Towers, So think you
Speaker 2: bring that up. Yeah, man, that's fascinating. That also makes
Speaker 2: me think of that deleted scene from the Kobygliss Spider
Speaker 2: Man movie that they promoted it with with Spider Man
Speaker 2: catching bad guys in the helicopter in his web that
Speaker 2: was between the twin towers and they had to remove
Speaker 2: it because ninety eleven happened. Uh so, yeah, there's there's
Speaker 2: definitely weaving and spiders going on here for sure.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that about the deleted scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still in the trailer. If you look up
Speaker 2: the original trailer for that first Spinal movie, they still
Speaker 2: you can still watch it. Yeah, it was a helicopter
Speaker 2: caught in his web between the Twin towers and it
Speaker 2: was it's it's such a poignant kind of symbol to
Speaker 2: use the movie, and it's it's so interesting, but yeah,
Speaker 2: they removed it.
Speaker 5: This is an interesting symbol that comes from Norse mythology.
Speaker 5: They don't really have a good name for it because
Speaker 5: it didn't really become accompanied with any sort of explanation.
Speaker 5: But this is the vault nut, and the vultnut is
Speaker 5: these three triangles that make this not right. And so
Speaker 5: the vult nut represents not only the nine worlds and
Speaker 5: each one of those different triangles, but it's also under
Speaker 5: the legs of sleep near Odin's horse, right, So you've
Speaker 5: got this idea of movement of mind, you know, associated
Speaker 5: with Odin, and also the idea of sacrifices also included
Speaker 5: in sacrifice depictions. So you've got this idea of the
Speaker 5: three fates sort of coming together producing these these different worlds,
Speaker 5: the nine worlds of the Norse mythology. So the idea
Speaker 5: of weaving is so central to these sort of pre
Speaker 5: Christian faiths, as you were talking about with the Greek
Speaker 5: mythology too, you've got the three fates, the one who measures,
Speaker 5: the one who cuts, the one who weaves. So these
Speaker 5: symbols are so central to the core of their understanding
Speaker 5: of fate and how to interact with the world around
Speaker 5: them that I think it's shouldn't be something that's passed up.
Speaker 5: We don't really have an equivalent in today's society, but
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are taking advantage of
Speaker 5: that fact because if you can't see it, you can't
Speaker 5: recognize what's going on. You can't see the weaving as
Speaker 5: it's happening. And we can see this with numbers too, especially.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: The idea of understanding a weave is called topology. And
Speaker 5: so by intersecting a lot of these different numerical values
Speaker 5: and these different ideas into a weave, what you're doing
Speaker 5: is you're changing the course of fate using will. So
Speaker 5: I thought that was kind of relevant there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think you for bringing that up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's and that stayed, you know, post Christianity. That's why
Speaker 2: the Celtic crosses still have nots in them. And they
Speaker 2: did that just got moved on to a different trinity, right.
Speaker 2: But es, since we're talking about as fireman, to bring
Speaker 2: up you know what is how it's still in our
Speaker 2: pop culture that guy today. Uh uh. I'm going to
Speaker 2: write on a kind of be a comic book nerd
Speaker 2: for a second year, but it's it's you know, we
Speaker 2: we in communities like ours. We talked about how the
Speaker 2: new uh pantheon of God's is superheroes, and it's not
Speaker 2: there's not any better example than that than the Spider
Speaker 2: Man character. I think so the spie the Spider Man
Speaker 2: mythos takes and harnesses everything that we're talking about with
Speaker 2: the Spider Man symbol. So in uh, this Spider Verse mythology,
Speaker 2: we have this idea of a a spider verse, any
Speaker 2: interconnected webs, right of mostly verses, and well, I think
Speaker 2: it's it's interesting is if you watch the Latest Across
Speaker 2: the Spider Verse film, Uh, there's a character refer to
Speaker 2: Mogrel Miguel O'Hara or Spider Man twenty ninety nine. He's
Speaker 2: like a play runner futuristic Spider Man. He brings all
Speaker 2: the Spider society to his hollow deck kind of ar room,
Speaker 2: and he goes over this idea of a multiverse, and
Speaker 2: there's this it's all black, and then a single drop
Speaker 2: like dot falls from the what the ceiling would be
Speaker 2: and is in the center of the room, and Spider
Speaker 2: Man twenty ninety nine goes, this is everything, and that
Speaker 2: gets into this whole idea of a primordial you the
Speaker 2: stoics and Stoic physics, they would refer to it as
Speaker 2: the logo spermatica, and he goes, this is everything, and
Speaker 2: this seed, this original seed source continues to fall and
Speaker 2: then gets planted, and so that's the wendy and metaphysics,
Speaker 2: that's your one D dimension the dot or in Taoism
Speaker 2: that that's the non duality of everything, right, And then
Speaker 2: when it gets planted, it turns into a tree, which
Speaker 2: of course, like time wines and trees and everything, that's uh,
Speaker 2: you just sell. That's the tree in the Garden of Eden,
Speaker 2: of course, but that's like lineal time. That's the two D.
Speaker 2: And then from that two D perspective, that tree goes
Speaker 2: out in any direction and becomes a spider web and
Speaker 2: gets interconnected with itself, and that's where they get nexus points.
Speaker 2: And in this in the Spider Man mythos, they referred
Speaker 2: to as canon events, and those are events that have
Speaker 2: to happen. These are these pillars of moments that have
Speaker 2: to happen so time could exist, so can exist, and
Speaker 2: that it's like Uncle Ben dying of course is a
Speaker 2: big one, right. He has to give a Spider Man
Speaker 2: the whole. With great power comes great responsibility, moment like
Speaker 2: he has to have that moment. So that's the next
Speaker 2: event because that has to happen. And uh, Miguel o'harah
Speaker 2: tells Miles, the Miles Morales Spider Man, that he has
Speaker 2: to let certain people die. He can't stop his certain events.
Speaker 2: And it's all going back to this whole do we
Speaker 2: have free will? So the whole conflict in the latest
Speaker 2: Spider Verse movie is Miguel O'Hara says the Spider the
Speaker 2: Spider people are supposed to maintain the web. What they
Speaker 2: refer to the Spider version of the comic is the
Speaker 2: webs of fade and destiny. They have to maintain the
Speaker 2: faith the webs of fade and destiny by making sure
Speaker 2: these cannon events, these next points happen and nothing prevents
Speaker 2: them from happening. And they don't have any free wheel
Speaker 2: to go on beyond that. And Miles Morales's character, who
Speaker 2: I mean, his last name is Larry Moral. So he's
Speaker 2: talking about the morality that he can't morally let stand
Speaker 2: by and let someone die, right, So he's all about, oh, no,
Speaker 2: we do have free wheel. And so that's how this
Speaker 2: this fighter team gets split up because half of this
Speaker 2: fire people say that they have free wheel and the
Speaker 2: other half say they're only the doers of fate and
Speaker 2: the brainch and I talk about we have these Lightning
Speaker 2: and the Bardle moments where the idea is going to
Speaker 2: get done. No matter who it is is, you're the
Speaker 2: contuent for whatever God has planned. We refer to it
Speaker 2: in our God to Play Right series as scripture, like
Speaker 2: you have to you know, God gives you a script
Speaker 2: and then you have to go by it. And yeah,
Speaker 2: you can improve, which is free will, but you have
Speaker 2: a script. You have a fate or destiny that you're
Speaker 2: you're entangled with. And I think stan Lee when he
Speaker 2: was creating the Spider Man character, he was tapping into
Speaker 2: this ancient symbol of the Spider and he wasn't fully
Speaker 2: consciously aware of it, and it's just grown through over
Speaker 2: time as they keep on evolving the character. And even
Speaker 2: Madam Webb, who is the of female Grandmother's elderly wise
Speaker 2: woman who's at the center of the webs of feed
Speaker 2: and destiny in the comics. She's a blind seer, the
Speaker 2: blind Oracle. She has roots in Hopey mythology with the
Speaker 2: Grandmother Spider and even in the in they tried to
Speaker 2: do a matter of web movie, but they completely inverted
Speaker 2: the fate in that movie and sexualizes it and everything.
Speaker 2: And we actually have a video on our channel where
Speaker 2: we go over that. It's called Webs of Desire. So
Speaker 2: if anyone wanted to hear us talk about that fiasco
Speaker 2: of a movie, we we do talk about it. But
Speaker 2: in that movie, one of the it was very meanable
Speaker 2: of a movie because how bad it was. In that movie,
Speaker 2: they bring in this idea of uh South American tribe
Speaker 2: of people who were spiders, and that also has roots
Speaker 2: in our reality with I am probably pronounturing this wrong.
Speaker 2: There's a South American tribe called the Praya. Again I'm
Speaker 2: probably butchering that pronunciation, but it's a native tribe in
Speaker 2: South America who their shamans used transha of venom to
Speaker 2: go on their shamanistic journeys and there. So there's a
Speaker 2: documentary about them and that's really fascinating and they commune
Speaker 2: with this like this this spider entity. So whether it's
Speaker 2: North America or South America, there's this idea of a
Speaker 2: grandmother spider and that's what mountam Web is for the
Speaker 2: Spider society. So there Stanley is was tapping into something.
Speaker 2: And to finish up here about this Spider Man connection.
Speaker 4: You know, one thing I did want to add just
Speaker 4: real quick, that you had mentioned there's something that was
Speaker 4: going to bring up you're talking about like the venom
Speaker 4: and stuff that is like that has been I think
Speaker 4: like an idea about some spider symbolism that sometimes it
Speaker 4: could be being used for knowledge because you know, most venoms,
Speaker 4: if you do actually use it at a certain dose,
Speaker 4: can actually heal. So and that's like the unknown knowledge
Speaker 4: about the venom, you know what I'm saying, unknown understandings.
Speaker 4: So I have you know, you mentioned it before, I
Speaker 4: have heard of that idea of that understanding that venoms
Speaker 4: can actually heal is a reason to use Spider's a symbolism.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's why, like the idea of you taking
Speaker 6: a certain like poison or venom over and over in
Speaker 6: small doses can build up your resistance to that being
Speaker 6: used against you as as well. Yeah. I think there's
Speaker 6: a a tribe of spider people I just looked it
Speaker 6: up in Peru that apparently gained a racknid abilities from
Speaker 6: the venom of a species of spots that are native
Speaker 6: to that region. You have the Lakota people as well
Speaker 6: who actually talk about this spider deity being a trickster god.
Speaker 6: His name is Iktomi. I think represents both good and bad.
Speaker 6: You mentioned duality earlier. You see that a lot in
Speaker 6: this in animal symbolism. A lot of the symbolism has
Speaker 6: to do with our animal natures of ourselves, right, Like
Speaker 6: our lower natures are carnal. I guess you could say
Speaker 6: animalistic desires and stuff. So yeah, I've seen that a
Speaker 6: bunch with spiders just being known as like a kind
Speaker 6: of trickster deity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're very much tricksters. And the two things
Speaker 2: that I've gathered from spider mythology is one, like you said,
Speaker 2: they're tricksters, and to the the always and this connects
Speaker 2: to the whole fate idea always in guard of some
Speaker 2: kind of faith or script. A lot of these. I
Speaker 2: believe it's the African an uh mythology missing up with
Speaker 2: another one. I believe it's ann that's African. Yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the one. And this is a common where there.
Speaker 8: They're painted like a great book or a great script
Speaker 8: of or comb of how the story of the world, and.
Speaker 2: They're there and there they have this knowledge, this this
Speaker 2: no how supposed to go and there're the guardians of that.
Speaker 8: And then usually the trip where the trick shut part
Speaker 8: comes in is we that notice kind of go off the.
Speaker 2: Relative power, right, they don't they don't have the Uncle
Speaker 2: Ben to tell them where the great power comes. Grace responsibility. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they really be super really yeah. Yeah, and they will
Speaker 2: usually fall from grace in a trick shorty way by
Speaker 2: thinking that they can control faith because they have this
Speaker 2: access to the knowledge, to this, they can weave their
Speaker 2: own webs, that they can weave their own they can
Speaker 2: weave their own webs, and they usually get cursed by
Speaker 2: becoming some kind of mythological spider creature.
Speaker 6: Monster like Neith in Egypt. Yeah, or neath, I don't
Speaker 6: know how you pronounce it. That's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: In this book Ovid's Metamorphosis, which was like seventy seventeen AD, right,
Speaker 5: it was really early on, he goes into the it
Speaker 5: of Minerva or Athena and a Rockney and a Rockney.
Speaker 5: This is in book six of Metamorphosis. He talks about
Speaker 5: how this this woman who was bragging about how much
Speaker 5: she was the best weaver in the world, and so
Speaker 5: she challenged Minerva or Athena to a weaving competition and lost.
Speaker 5: And then Athena, as a a rockney is about to
Speaker 5: hang herself, Athena transforms her into a spider. And what
Speaker 5: was really interesting is I was painting the other day
Speaker 5: and if you can kind of see that on the cover,
Speaker 5: my stencil got on there, and it looks like there
Speaker 5: are webs tying this person who's staring into the into
Speaker 5: the void to some sort of fate. So it kind
Speaker 5: of matched up pretty well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, Branch, there's there's a biblical aspect
Speaker 2: to the spider. Two do you want to hop in
Speaker 2: here and we to the biblical aspect of it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Bright, Yeah, sure. The most popular reference would probably probably
Speaker 1: be in Proverbs, chapter thirty, verse twenty eight. And so
Speaker 1: I think I have that here. Yeah, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: instantly prepared. My apologies, but I do have it.
Speaker 9: Actually, I'll have to look for it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, what it basically says is the spider makes
Speaker 1: its web in king's palaces. So it's to imply that
Speaker 1: no matter how many servants the king has toiling away
Speaker 1: in his castle keeping it spotless, there's going to be
Speaker 1: that you know, somewhere that can't be easily reached, and
Speaker 1: the spider's there and it's able to basically enjoy hearing
Speaker 1: what's going on in the court right, which is a
Speaker 1: very privileged space. And so it's almost got this concept
Speaker 1: of eaves dropping because the term east dropping comes from
Speaker 1: hanging from the eaves right like a spider does. And
Speaker 1: in fact, that's kind of tied to the lure of
Speaker 1: shooting stars too, because in Solomon's Testament, when he's talking
Speaker 1: to the demons in the dialogues, they some of them
Speaker 1: will explain the nature of falling stars and that they're
Speaker 1: actually eaves dropping, but fall from heaven because they have
Speaker 1: no they don't have the strength to remain up there
Speaker 1: and listen in on what's going on in the court
Speaker 1: of heaven. So when I read that verse and proverbs,
Speaker 1: I kind of imagine it as being like analogous to
Speaker 1: you know, lower order spirits that maybe are trying to
Speaker 1: eavesdrop on heaven or the king's court as it were.
Speaker 1: That that was one of the verses that really jumped
Speaker 1: out of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have I pulled it up here so I
Speaker 2: can read it for you. It says the spiders take
Speaker 2: get hold with her hands, and on the thread she spins,
Speaker 2: or on the flies and bees she catches in her web.
Speaker 2: This is a small creature, very yet very wise. What
Speaker 2: a curious thread does she spin? What a fine web
Speaker 2: does she weave?
Speaker 3: With?
Speaker 2: What extensions and proportions? Is it framed as if she's
Speaker 2: understood the role of mathematics and architecture. Yeah, it's all
Speaker 2: about this fire tickets hold of her hand in the
Speaker 2: King's palace. Yeah, so's it's talked about in God's court.
Speaker 2: There's this eaves dropping spider.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have never really made the connection between
Speaker 1: shooting stars, how I saw that in the Testaments Solomon,
Speaker 1: that they both have that eavesdropping quality, which in the
Speaker 1: masonry they were to those as cowens. So the tyler
Speaker 1: at the door, you know, he probably would be cleaning
Speaker 1: cobwebs and stuff too, I'd imagine. But there's some figures
Speaker 1: sometimes whose job is to keep those est droppers away.
Speaker 1: So whether it be Heimdahl on the Byfrost bridge or
Speaker 1: the tyler at the Masonic door or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: you got a bodyguard at the velvet rope for the
Speaker 1: nightclub anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that also gets us to of course Bohemian
Speaker 2: grove and breathing spiders come out here.
Speaker 6: They That was perfect, Yeah right, Yeah, I was going
Speaker 6: to say something to what Headless said about Minerva also
Speaker 6: being represented as the al in Bohemian Grove directed right
Speaker 6: to the spiders as well. So I kind of find
Speaker 6: that a little interesting. How you know, you got both
Speaker 6: those symbolisms at one place.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, But the idea there is that you've got
Speaker 5: this wisdom on one hand and then you've got the
Speaker 5: hubris on the other. Right between the two, that's when you,
Speaker 5: you know, you find this trickster entity is are you
Speaker 5: exercising wisdom or are you exercising hubris?
Speaker 1: Dude, well, you brought up the bohemian growth things. So
Speaker 1: if you think about it, Alex Jones was very much
Speaker 1: like a spider. They don't want those folks around, and
Speaker 1: so if you're hanging out spying on them, I mean
Speaker 1: you kind of embodying what they don't want around, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like Proverbs really captures that because
Speaker 1: in a way, when they're all there gathered, that's like
Speaker 1: the king's court, right, and the owl is speaking to
Speaker 1: them and all, So it kind of contrasts symbolism of
Speaker 1: the owl to the spider there too, because spiders aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily diurnal or nocturnal.
Speaker 6: They just choose to stay in dark corners. Going back
Speaker 6: to what Nick said earlier, Yeah, I have this Manly
Speaker 6: Palmer Hall little book that I've reviewed before on occult
Speaker 6: symbolism of animals and has an insect chapter and it says, uh, yeah,
Speaker 6: it shape makes it an appropriate emblem of the nerve
Speaker 6: of the nerve nerve flexus and the ganglia and the
Speaker 6: human body. Yeah, Nick, so you had something there.
Speaker 4: It definitely starts to look like certain things that you
Speaker 4: can look at under a microscope.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah that also makes me think of, you know, we're
Speaker 2: talking about Bohemian grove, so you know, we can get
Speaker 2: you through this idea of you know, celebrity worship and everything.
Speaker 2: And when I was when I would working on my
Speaker 2: spider symbolism a video on a channel Kokay around around
Speaker 2: that time there you had American horror story had a
Speaker 2: season called a Delegate and it had the Kardashians on it,
Speaker 2: and it was there like third adaption of Rosemary's Baby,
Speaker 2: Like they adapted this story like three times in that
Speaker 2: series for some reason, but they used spiders to promote
Speaker 2: that season, and her pregnant belly was a spider, and
Speaker 2: then the doctor's goggles with the spider's eyes and everything,
Speaker 2: and they so they interconnected this whole idea of, you know,
Speaker 2: a child's sacrifice with controlling your fate. So I think
Speaker 2: that's interesting.
Speaker 6: And then.
Speaker 2: Around that same time, you had ujah Cat who went
Speaker 2: fully demonic, and while she was going fully demonic, her
Speaker 2: Instagram profile was of a spider. And then she went
Speaker 2: to some awards show in the really scantly dress of
Speaker 2: cobweb dress and everything. And then you had Dune and
Speaker 2: they had that weird bdsm bdsm spider creature on the
Speaker 2: Harkenin's planet that the Baron had. It was really weird.
Speaker 2: And around the same time, so he had all this
Speaker 2: dark spider symbolism and pup culture.
Speaker 6: Was this at the same time that that movie came
Speaker 6: out with Adam Sandler and He's in space.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was shortly before that happened. Yeah, he had
Speaker 2: he had all this stuff happening in pup culture where
Speaker 2: they was they was kind of tipping their hat to
Speaker 2: weaving fate in a way in the dark kind of
Speaker 2: with this sense. It was the dark side of the trickster,
Speaker 2: you could say for sure, Well you could.
Speaker 5: Almost say that in the story of Peter Parker when
Speaker 5: he gets bit by the Spider, he's being bitten by fate, right,
Speaker 5: and that's weaving a new fate for him. So it's
Speaker 5: almost like the call to adventure is coming through the
Speaker 5: Spider symbolism.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, definitely, and part of that as well after
Speaker 2: he gets bit by the Spider, and the Spider Verse
Speaker 2: movie does this shows this so well, And that's why
Speaker 2: I love the anime Spider Verse movie because they have
Speaker 2: it's such a good example of it. Once once they
Speaker 2: get bit by the Spider, they get no sic where
Speaker 2: they can they can hear the narration. They're the internal dialogue,
Speaker 2: and he's like freaking out because he's just like, what
Speaker 2: is that voice and everything and that that is that
Speaker 2: plays into the Spider the Spider sense, you know, the
Speaker 2: spiy senses is he refers to it, and so he's like,
Speaker 2: where's that voice coming from, and it's like he's hearing
Speaker 2: then their narrator of his story of his fate that's
Speaker 2: being being woven.
Speaker 6: Couldn't be interpreted as our lower or higher selves as
Speaker 6: well talking to us and kind of being our conscious.
Speaker 3: Uh, somebody just had a magical experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know I've always always interested with Peter Parker too.
Speaker 4: Is his girlfriend Mary Jane.
Speaker 3: I've always looked at her as the scarlet horror.
Speaker 6: Oh she does have red hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And you know if you listen to if you listen
Speaker 4: to Mega Death's song Mary Jane, and you think of
Speaker 4: the horror Babylon, it's the same fucking thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. So that because it's He's something that the
Speaker 2: brain tren I talked about quite a bit, and that's
Speaker 2: we talk you know, we talk about archetypes and tropes
Speaker 2: and film and stories and everything on our chinel and
Speaker 2: then we bring uh bridge between writing and young this
Speaker 2: whole youngie youngie and idea to more of a uh
Speaker 2: metaphysical kind of a cult kind of uh synthesis. And
Speaker 2: we talked about uh this modern trope of the man
Speaker 2: pixie dream girl, which uh, I got to admit when
Speaker 2: I was a teenage teenager and a preteen, I devoured
Speaker 2: a lot of coming of as films and they always
Speaker 2: have that manic pixie dream girl trope in those films
Speaker 2: and kind of looking back at it, I realized that
Speaker 2: manic picture dream girl aspect, that's uh the brainch referred
Speaker 2: to as a horror Babylon. I refer to it as
Speaker 2: like a little like kind of character.
Speaker 6: Same archetype.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it's like this this dark, dark feminine kind.
Speaker 6: Or other yep K talked about yep, yep.
Speaker 2: So there's definitely an aspect to that.
Speaker 3: And what that does.
Speaker 2: That's all connecting to UH initiations and the reason why
Speaker 2: manic picture ging girls are risen in present day from
Speaker 2: my understanding is UH in the sixties and seventies when
Speaker 2: the hippie kind of age kind of started because all
Speaker 2: the male initiators was either at war or fighting at
Speaker 2: war fighting or in the office spaces, and they wasn't
Speaker 2: present for their kids. So kids would after school just
Speaker 2: be you know, wandering the streets and everything. And then
Speaker 2: we seek initiation into adulthood, whether it's consciously or subconsciously.
Speaker 2: So they're looking for initiator. There's no male initiators around,
Speaker 2: but there were these these hippie women. There was these
Speaker 2: manic picture ging girl hippie wilder woman archetype, right, and
Speaker 2: there they give pseudo initiations of boys to make not
Speaker 2: full men, not healthy men, but like pseudo initiations into
Speaker 2: a pseudo kind of half asked manhood kind of thing.
Speaker 2: And that's what maybe Jane kind of does for Peter.
Speaker 2: That's the that's the duality of the relationship is that
Speaker 2: he's kind of that nerd and everything, and she's like,
Speaker 2: you know, her first line in the in the comics
Speaker 2: was you just hit the jack pop tiger like, and
Speaker 2: she's always testing him. She's that fiery aspect, so she
Speaker 2: she definitely is that that archetype for sure.
Speaker 5: Well, it's important to note the colors too, So he's, uh,
Speaker 5: spider Man is red, white, and blue, and that seems
Speaker 5: to be one of the themes in all of these things.
Speaker 5: Do you have any information on how relevant these colors
Speaker 5: are to the spider symbolism?
Speaker 1: I could take that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, go Branch.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's alchemical because if you look at the
Speaker 1: key of the tarot, dude, the teeth of the key
Speaker 1: are red, white and blue blues. The law red is
Speaker 1: blood and white is the purity or the stone, which
Speaker 1: another name for that is Peter Petra is what it
Speaker 1: means stone, and so of course if you want to
Speaker 1: look at it fallicly, Peter is a Peter as well,
Speaker 1: and of course you get your stones. So tubalcane maybe
Speaker 1: relates to that a little bit, but anyway, that's how
Speaker 1: I would relate it. So maybe he's analogous to the
Speaker 1: full pre transformation. And then at some point he becomes
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he can't live a normal life, so
Speaker 1: in a way he's a hermit as well.
Speaker 2: Right. Also something to add in to that, red and
Speaker 2: blue together creates purple, and the purple that's the vela
Speaker 2: of illusion. That's the fabric of our reality. So that
Speaker 2: is that's your faith, that's the web. The purporle is
Speaker 2: the webs. And when you bring the red and blue
Speaker 2: to say two alchemical process you know, when the divine masculine,
Speaker 2: divine does the does the outcomeical marriage, you get the purporal,
Speaker 2: you get the web. So I I see the fabric
Speaker 2: of reality as like a purple kind of web. And
Speaker 2: that in science you have string theory, and string theories
Speaker 2: is all broken down into webs. And so when we're
Speaker 2: even in science they even agnow it's this kind of
Speaker 2: primordial web substance. Dude.
Speaker 6: The fact that y'all just brought all that up. I
Speaker 6: did all on my Patreon this morning, me and my
Speaker 6: buddy's subliminal messager. He's in the chat. I think we
Speaker 6: reviewed chapter three of Initiates of the Flame, and it's
Speaker 6: the mystery of the Alchemists. Literally everything y'all just covered
Speaker 6: I touched on this morning. I just find these synchronicities
Speaker 6: on Candy Man.
Speaker 2: It's wild spider symbolism. I'm gonna yeah, it's definitely. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's when you know that weaving working as
Speaker 2: synchle mysticism. Yeah, exactly, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to check that that you're you're work into that out.
Speaker 2: That makes me think of one of my favorite books
Speaker 2: is uh Iron John, a book about man by Robert
Speaker 2: Bly and it's all it's all about the wild masculine
Speaker 2: and mel initiation.
Speaker 3: And he.
Speaker 2: He weaves this idea of the grind fairy tale of
Speaker 2: Iron Hans or Iron John as a symbol of initiation
Speaker 2: and and but it's not an initiation of the divine
Speaker 2: sank me hero. It's not ascension initiation. It's a decent
Speaker 2: in initiation and then the ascension. It's like it's the Phoenix,
Speaker 2: it's as sentient through uh the ash the fire read
Speaker 2: the Rebirth e'zactly. That's exactly. And I love that book.
Speaker 2: I love that work. I love talking about that topic.
Speaker 2: So I'm definitely gonna have to check out what you
Speaker 2: have to say about it.
Speaker 6: For su Yeah, dude, and I'm gonna have to have
Speaker 6: you on sometime to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 6: I love that. I still have to get headless on
Speaker 6: sometime too, but yeah, you'll make it happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5: Well, nick Uh, I'm sure there's a lot of Kabbalistic
Speaker 5: references in the red, white, and blue, especially like the
Speaker 5: masculine feminine and then the white eyes having to do
Speaker 5: with Keather.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had you even thought that too, even with
Speaker 4: you know, with Spider Bay, you get like the power
Speaker 4: of the glory and then like the white In my opinion,
Speaker 4: I can see that kind of being. I wouldn't say
Speaker 4: necessarily the middle pillar, but I mean you get the
Speaker 4: power in the glory, and then once you cross over
Speaker 4: you do get After that, you into the abyss. I
Speaker 4: would say you'd be going to Keather, which could be white.
Speaker 4: I do think there is a definitely cabalistic symbolism in
Speaker 4: there with a spider.
Speaker 6: They're always usually is and a lot of these ancient mysteries.
Speaker 6: It all stems back to that. You brought up the
Speaker 6: wild woman archetype dude, and my my wife has actually
Speaker 6: read this book on it. She went through this spiritual
Speaker 6: cleanse uh and apparently had a spider entity attached to
Speaker 6: her and removed.
Speaker 1: So there's that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those those definitely I've heard stories, you know
Speaker 2: in studio Ghibli make another film reference to aid us
Speaker 2: here think of the sprites from my neighbor Todo. I
Speaker 2: often have heard that there there are some kind of
Speaker 2: like in between entities that are kind of like not
Speaker 2: not they can be bad, they can be good. They're
Speaker 2: just kind of like in between unities like the spike
Speaker 2: side or kind of spider like that just hang around.
Speaker 1: Okay when the diacal terms that would be mutable perhaps right,
Speaker 1: like they could be one way or the other perhaps.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and you go back, you go back to
Speaker 6: the dualistic nature of a lot of it, a lot
Speaker 6: of the symbolism as as well. I have a funny
Speaker 6: story that I'll tell real fast. Chris Matthew from Forbidden
Speaker 6: Knowledge News Shout out Chris. First time he came on
Speaker 6: my show, he told this story of this one time
Speaker 6: where he had dosed with psilocybin and basically met this
Speaker 6: entity trying it was a female entity, trying to tell
Speaker 6: him that she was God, and like you know, they
Speaker 6: always call God a man, this and that, and he
Speaker 6: was talking to her in his mind's eye, but you know,
Speaker 6: having this experience, and then he said, all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: he sees her head of this old lady on the
Speaker 6: body of this spider trying to like tangle him up
Speaker 6: in this web, and he immediately calls out, uh, you know,
Speaker 6: calls out for Christ and it it's gone, you know,
Speaker 6: untangles and fucking shoots off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard stories of like like
Speaker 2: I guess you could say dream kind of creatures or
Speaker 2: dream weaverers. I guess you can refer to them as
Speaker 2: or uh, sleet prowess kind of creatures, being kind of
Speaker 2: like a or inky biss and the succubist kind of
Speaker 2: tacking like a spider like form. There's a but called
Speaker 2: Saga and there's a huntress in that comic and she's, uh,
Speaker 2: she has a spider body and then she's a kind
Speaker 2: of female torso and so, and she like she's up,
Speaker 2: so she's kind of like that fulterriss. But then she
Speaker 2: also will, like you know, will hunt you down and
Speaker 2: kill you. Kind of thing going on there for sure.
Speaker 2: And then you got in what are the rings you got?
Speaker 2: Is it slab or slab?
Speaker 6: I don't know how you have it in Harry Potter too. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we have the spiders that are in there. Yeah man, Yeah,
Speaker 6: see somebody said something, don't kill spiders. Yeah, apparently back
Speaker 6: in the medieval days that was considered bad luck to
Speaker 6: kill spiders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't kill spider if it's
Speaker 2: not if it's not invasive, I'm just like you.
Speaker 6: Can hang out, brown recluse, he's gone, he's cooked.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a stot to share because when Nick was
Speaker 1: talking about the kedder and that symbolism, I couldn't help
Speaker 1: but seek a lot. I know not all the time,
Speaker 1: of course, but how often do you see spider webs
Speaker 1: around bright lights? And so in a way, a web
Speaker 1: of a spider almost does kind of represent that someway, yeah,
Speaker 1: or a trap you know, the ketterers beyond it. But
Speaker 1: you got to get through the trap to get there, right,
Speaker 1: And so it makes me think also the way we
Speaker 1: refer to the Internet as the web, and we're all
Speaker 1: in the web right now, whether you're in the chat
Speaker 1: or here in the room with us now all in
Speaker 1: the web, and so just a tangential thing. It makes
Speaker 1: me think of Stephen King's it because he takes on
Speaker 1: the form of a spider at one point, and I
Speaker 1: see information technology it as being that spider and that
Speaker 1: trap and all that, because it's like they need it
Speaker 1: for their new world order. But in the process of
Speaker 1: building it, they are it's like they're creating the very
Speaker 1: tower that's going to fall, so we get enlightened alongside
Speaker 1: their progression to a new world order. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: part of how it falls. And in the Spider Tower
Speaker 1: King kind of stuff maybe comes back together because in
Speaker 1: that Tower card, it is the king and the Pope
Speaker 1: falling from the tower, right of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Rudolph Steiner actually talked about he Rudolf Steiner had a
Speaker 2: prophecy that a great spider would come out of America
Speaker 2: and devour the world in a in a huge web.
Speaker 2: He basically predicted you know, the Internet, what you're describing
Speaker 2: and so we and that's another aspect of it is
Speaker 2: these techno spiders, So there's this whole other kind of weave.
Speaker 2: We can go on about techno spiders and the techno
Speaker 2: rachnets and getting into like the web brainch is talking about,
Speaker 2: like the Tower of Babbel or the paint Opticon and
Speaker 2: technocracy and all this and that. But also to bring
Speaker 2: it back to another reference to something in pop culture,
Speaker 2: there's a show called Final Space created by Owen Rogers,
Speaker 2: and the whole idea is they're trying to get to
Speaker 2: inner space, and innerspace is what is the final front tilt.
Speaker 2: So that's why it's called Final Space, and that's where
Speaker 2: the Titans are frozen, and the Titans are wanting to
Speaker 2: get out and just destroy the universe, and so they're
Speaker 2: they're they're trying to find final Space, this inner space
Speaker 2: kind of nexus point, and once they find the gateway
Speaker 2: to inner space. In that series, there's what they refer
Speaker 2: to as there are racknet texts and they're the Guardians
Speaker 2: of the Threshold. So there's definitely is is like Guardian
Speaker 2: of the Threshold kind of aspect to it as well. Also,
Speaker 2: you have the red strings of fate in Chinese culture,
Speaker 2: and one of my favorite saying is I'm really into
Speaker 2: stoicism and a lot and one of my favorite Stoic
Speaker 2: Latin phrases is more fotty, which means love fate, And
Speaker 2: is you get supposed to be this idea of loving
Speaker 2: your fate no matter what it is, whether it's good
Speaker 2: or bad, just giving appreciation that you're still drawing breath.
Speaker 5: Right. And there's also the idea that you need the
Speaker 5: wisdom to make it out of the trap, and so
Speaker 5: wisdom on one hand, spider on the other, and going
Speaker 5: towards that white light, there's a big possibility you could
Speaker 5: get caught up in it before ever reaching that light.
Speaker 5: The moss don't have the wisdom to avoid the trap well.
Speaker 1: And it reminds me too of how we're told to
Speaker 1: not straight to the left or the right, but for
Speaker 1: the middle. If you go through the middle of the web,
Speaker 1: you're not going to get caught right. So it's like
Speaker 1: the way out is through. You don't want to stay
Speaker 1: in that, you want to go through that right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think someone in the in the chat a little
Speaker 2: while ago asked if there was a connection to threading
Speaker 2: the needle in the eye. And that's exactly the answer
Speaker 2: answer that question.
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, and we're told, you know, by Christ
Speaker 1: that the way is narrow, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bingo. I think there's a lot of North Pole
Speaker 5: symbolism too in regards to the way out, and the
Speaker 5: agents always associated the North Pole with sort of like
Speaker 5: the way out of this place, and you know, being
Speaker 5: like the top wrong, above the above the mountain merw
Speaker 5: but getting there you had to sort of make it
Speaker 5: through the soul trap idea, and so there's a lot
Speaker 5: of things that sort of compound and add to that.
Speaker 5: But also you've got the Van Allen radiation belt. The
Speaker 5: only way out of the Van Allen radiation belt is
Speaker 5: through the north or South Pole. How could they have
Speaker 5: known that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I think it's off. There's a synchnicity here.
Speaker 2: As soon as you said that symbolic studies, Mario guards
Speaker 2: are popping to the chat and that's that's his whole work.
Speaker 2: Does this whole stick right, it's northern symbolism, polar symbolism, right,
Speaker 2: I love it. But yeah, you're right to borrow a
Speaker 2: little bit from from Mario. Actually, there's this whole idea
Speaker 2: of the North Pole being referred to as a will
Speaker 2: that turned right, and you can also say that will
Speaker 2: is a will to a loom. So it's like the
Speaker 2: loom of fate. And so you're you're you're definitely onto
Speaker 2: something hellless about that. And what what I find so
Speaker 2: interesting about that is this loom of fate idea. It's
Speaker 2: ash He's seen in Hall Again. I like drawing connection
Speaker 2: to Hollywood because it's a middle ground for people. In
Speaker 2: the movie Wanted, there's movie with the caving bullets and everything,
Speaker 2: but if you actually watch that movie, the whole premise
Speaker 2: is these assassins are uh go after people that this
Speaker 2: loom that they called the loom of fate is weaving
Speaker 2: the names up. So if your name is woven into
Speaker 2: the fabric, then these assassins are going to go after you.
Speaker 2: And so these assassins are doing the bidding of this loom,
Speaker 2: but it's been taken over, it's been tampered with. There
Speaker 2: it's only given names that's been approved by Oh what's
Speaker 2: that Morgan Freeman's character. He tampered with the machine, he
Speaker 2: tampered with the Great Loomb. So yeah, there's this whole
Speaker 2: idea of Polish symbolism and really quickly another connect to
Speaker 2: a pulp culture that it's one of my favorite well
Speaker 2: I researched as one of the great modern mythologies, and
Speaker 2: that's I've heard the Last Airbender and it's story this
Speaker 2: the Avatar Aura. She lifts the veil by opening the
Speaker 2: portals and that's when everyone can see the stationary in
Speaker 2: the game. She opened uh portals. There's this whole idea
Speaker 2: here of what you're talking about hellas that I find
Speaker 2: it so interesting.
Speaker 5: Right, and it's it's the bipolarity, and then you know,
Speaker 5: it becomes the the weave of this spiritual dimension. And
Speaker 5: in that show specifically, it was all about these two
Speaker 5: different good and evil entities wrestling for eternity, and it
Speaker 5: was once she was able to, you know, overcome the opposites,
Speaker 5: that she was able to re release this this sort
Speaker 5: of spiritual nature onto the world that was before. You've
Speaker 5: also got the idea of the Golden Age in there too,
Speaker 5: and I'm sure a lot of this stuff has to
Speaker 5: do with, you know, what's what's preventing the Golden Age,
Speaker 5: What's what's getting in the way of it? And again
Speaker 5: back to that web, there's some sort of web preventing
Speaker 5: that from Happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, Rudolph Seiner, so many other modern people say
Speaker 2: that the the entity for this modern age could most
Speaker 2: likely be a spider.
Speaker 5: So yeah, was it there, branch? Wasn't there a free
Speaker 5: Masonic deity that had spider legs and like three heads?
Speaker 5: Was that debulant?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the frog, I'll say, But you're not taught that
Speaker 1: in lodge. I mean that you just have to believe
Speaker 1: in God, but it's not you're not told what to believe.
Speaker 1: But if you don't don't believe, you're not omitted into
Speaker 1: the lodge. But yeah, some people say at the top,
Speaker 1: like you know, the illuminated degrees and all the jobby On,
Speaker 1: which is a three syllable name. So it's if that
Speaker 1: is indeed the case, then it would probably be like
Speaker 1: the token or pass in three syllables or something like that.
Speaker 1: But that particular entity that you're referring to, to me
Speaker 1: looks like the depictions I think from the ad diction. Now,
Speaker 1: if we're all of ball, which looks a lot like Putin.
Speaker 1: If you ask me which I like Putin bat Mouth,
Speaker 1: and I'm just saying it does look a lot like Putin.
Speaker 6: I know exactly what picture you're talking about that does
Speaker 6: look like Putin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a spider with a cat head a toad
Speaker 1: head and putin.
Speaker 6: Then yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Not to get confused
Speaker 6: with balls and bull, who is represented by the fly,
Speaker 6: right yeah yeah, uh well yeah, you know, they don't
Speaker 6: know that ball just means lord and that these are
Speaker 6: lords of certain you know.
Speaker 1: I would suggest it's probably related, however, because Bales above
Speaker 1: could be related to the constellation Musca, which is the fly,
Speaker 1: and we find that in Aries, which is where Bail
Speaker 1: resides in the Shimham forsh he's in the spring. He's
Speaker 1: like the first entity. So I would argue that they're
Speaker 1: probably even the same one and the same, or that
Speaker 1: one's slightly above the other because they're hierarchies. So one
Speaker 1: because bals above is king in terms of hierarchy, okay,
Speaker 1: whereas Lord, I don't know, you could maybe lord is
Speaker 1: something in his steady.
Speaker 6: It comes from balls zibyl uh and then translated to
Speaker 6: be bl zibub.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 6: Over time. You know you have baal hamon balls ziphon uh.
Speaker 6: You know you got a few balls.
Speaker 1: But again, that's going back to the alchemy of taking
Speaker 1: niagretto and turning it into something else. So there is
Speaker 1: that pattern again and again and again. I got you.
Speaker 5: I found out something interesting about spiders. So there's a
Speaker 5: certain species of spider that will actually make pets out
Speaker 5: of frogs. They have seen this, and that to me
Speaker 5: is like it just screams a cult symbolism all over it.
Speaker 5: So you've got this figure of transformation being taken under
Speaker 5: the wing of this spider character like all these different
Speaker 5: symbols that we've associated with it, and somehow this symbol
Speaker 5: of transformation is very closely linked to this spider of fate.
Speaker 5: So transformation and fate being sort of linked together in
Speaker 5: some sort of a pet master relationship.
Speaker 1: Well that's a lot like a familiar then, because when
Speaker 1: you see symbiosis occur in nature, you might it might
Speaker 1: be the birds on the back of an alligator or
Speaker 1: you know whatever, or the lamp praise on a shark.
Speaker 1: You often see like a dependent or some type of
Speaker 1: relationship like that. So there probably are spiritual implications to that.
Speaker 5: I would imagine the spider will feed insects to this
Speaker 5: frog and they're like, you know, pets. It kind of
Speaker 5: gave me a weird feeling about like what if spiders
Speaker 5: were massive and they had humans as pets, Like that
Speaker 5: would be kind of an interesting book there, because it's
Speaker 5: like they formed this dependency network that keeps you informed,
Speaker 5: Like if we're talking about the spiritual spider and then
Speaker 5: we keep going back to it to get our nourishment
Speaker 5: instead of, you know, looking to ourselves and being independent.
Speaker 1: Well, and I mean I kind of think that that's
Speaker 1: probably how the spirits that influence things and on earth
Speaker 1: or you view us as pets, right, they can only
Speaker 1: influence so many of us at a time, I guess.
Speaker 1: But that's the thought that kind of came into my mind.
Speaker 1: But that's what's actually going on there, is it's the
Speaker 1: spiders allowing the frog to basically eat the insects that
Speaker 1: would otherwise attack the spiders young and eggs and things
Speaker 1: like that. So it's interesting to me that the spider
Speaker 1: is able to subdue its instinct and acknowledgment of the
Speaker 1: symbiotic relationship. So it implies some type of intelligence is
Speaker 1: actually happening here. And they're doing this nonverbally, I suppose, right,
Speaker 1: So is it chemical? Like how do they know? Right?
Speaker 5: So I think it's very weird because you don't think
Speaker 5: of these creatures as being capable of this high form
Speaker 5: of communication. But then you look around and realize, hey, no,
Speaker 5: everything's talking.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: The squirrels are talking to the birds, the birds are
Speaker 5: talking to the you know, insects. It's all talking, and
Speaker 5: we're just not aware of it because we're so inundated
Speaker 5: with our own lives and our own selves that we
Speaker 5: can't even see the symbolism playing out around us.
Speaker 1: Or in the case of web.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also you can get back with Dark Mother if you
Speaker 2: watch the stop motion film core Line. The Other Mother
Speaker 2: in it, its true form is a is a is
Speaker 2: a spider, and she is that kind of you.
Speaker 6: Mike was cutting out for a second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we lost shakes of the motorcycle. Sorry about that one.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry whatever, that was America.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's that corner line that the Other Mother
Speaker 2: is that dark Cansrian's mother mother Dark Mother kind of motif.
Speaker 2: So there again, there there is there is wisdom, but
Speaker 2: then there there is also this idea of desire, like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're desiring inflammation and like are you going to get
Speaker 2: bit by the hand that feeds you? Kind of motif.
Speaker 2: So there's definitely this kind of tricky balance between all
Speaker 2: of it. And the last culture reference I wanted to
Speaker 2: bring up was in Stranger Things, the mind Flair is
Speaker 2: a spider, you know, the big bad Vecna. He was
Speaker 2: obsessed with spiders, and so that's when he created the
Speaker 2: the bond with the mind Flare do stuff. He made
Speaker 2: it take a form of a giant spider, and so
Speaker 2: you know it's why the mind Flare, the final boss
Speaker 2: is a giant spider.
Speaker 5: Well, the optad is always associated with intelligence, right, and
Speaker 5: so you've got spiders which are way more intelligent than
Speaker 5: they appear. You've got octopuses way more intelligent.
Speaker 6: Than they super out of this intelligence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually connect. I'm glad you say that because
Speaker 2: I actually connect octopuses octopy with spiders. I think that
Speaker 2: they're the oceanic spider. I think there there's so much
Speaker 2: relative relating to one another for sure.
Speaker 5: Right, and you know, eight legged things can't have a spine,
Speaker 5: so there's sort of this difference in mentality that goes
Speaker 5: all the way back to the cephalopods versus the vertebrates,
Speaker 5: you know. And one thing that comes up for me
Speaker 5: is Charlotte's Web, Right, She's writing in that web. There's
Speaker 5: an intelligence there that really can't be comprehended by people,
Speaker 5: and it's and it's fascinating to people. It's a pig
Speaker 5: and a spider writing to people.
Speaker 6: She's like telling this pigs stuff, and he's telling all
Speaker 6: the other barn animals like, hey, this is what Charlotte says,
Speaker 6: and they basically all follow her instructions on everything.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So if that were animal farm, does that make her
Speaker 1: a propagandist or something like? I don't understand.
Speaker 6: I don't know, man.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that brand because I would actually
Speaker 2: thinking the same thing, and then you said my thought out.
Speaker 1: Like this is this is some pig. Well, it's like
Speaker 1: when the news tells me to vote for a politician,
Speaker 1: it's like, this guy's really great. You've seen that on
Speaker 1: the web. Right.
Speaker 3: One interesting thing I do I did fine with that movie.
Speaker 4: Maybe I think a little bit more of it it
Speaker 4: should be, But it does introduce the idea of death
Speaker 4: to a rather young job.
Speaker 3: The idea of love. I think that's a huge thing.
Speaker 3: I actually believe.
Speaker 1: I think that's what having a pet is really good for.
Speaker 1: Two is it initiates you into that understanding because it's
Speaker 1: very abstract prior to that experience, and of course if
Speaker 1: it happens and you're removed from it, then it's not
Speaker 1: very impactful, right. So I think that's probably why it's
Speaker 1: good for people to own pets, so that you learn
Speaker 1: responsibility and that you're you can have consequences from your
Speaker 1: actions or inaction.
Speaker 4: One thing I did want to bring up, even with
Speaker 4: the Spider again was even with the venom, have you
Speaker 4: ever thought about like the idea of maybe like the
Speaker 4: death and half the birth, I mean the half the life,
Speaker 4: you know as being a civilism.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, so you know we're talking about the
Speaker 2: restings of fate and everything. I I from my understanding
Speaker 2: from a lot of people who who have had obe
Speaker 2: out of our experiences, they will see like a golden
Speaker 2: red between their spirit body and their physical body. So
Speaker 2: it's like a spiritual umbilical cord. So I think that
Speaker 2: is connected to these stings of fate that interconnect all
Speaker 2: of us. So I definitely think that there is a
Speaker 2: like a death and rebirth aspect of the Spider.
Speaker 1: I could add to that too, because technically a scorpion
Speaker 1: is also interacted, and that is a very common symbol
Speaker 1: for death and resurrection. But more to the point though,
Speaker 1: whether it be the fang. I've never seen like a
Speaker 1: figure really of the priestess holding a spider, But when
Speaker 1: we see her holding a snake in her left hand,
Speaker 1: or the sword or something like that, that's the sting
Speaker 1: of death. So I suppose if your culture was you
Speaker 1: had a very venomous spider, you know, the sting of
Speaker 1: death could be administered with a spider perhaps, But that
Speaker 1: venom is associated with judgment Day, which occurs in the fall,
Speaker 1: according to the Jewish traditions Yam kapur. So you got
Speaker 1: mercy on the right hand and spring right, and then
Speaker 1: fall you got the judgment day that comes, that's the left.
Speaker 1: And so if you didn't, if you weren't fruitful enough
Speaker 1: to balance the scales, so to speak, of Libra that
Speaker 1: she holds, then you get the sting of deaths right.
Speaker 1: So in Egyptian it was your heart was lighter than
Speaker 1: a feather, right, But in you know, Judaic or Christian terms,
Speaker 1: it's how fruitful were you?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Well, that brings up Parmenides and his little spirit voyage
Speaker 5: to the Queen of the Knight. Parmanides was a philosopher
Speaker 5: way way way back before, I think it was like
Speaker 5: six hundred BC. And his poem on Nature brought up
Speaker 5: the idea of traveling to this palace of the Queen
Speaker 5: of the Knight or Nicks, and in front of the
Speaker 5: queen's palace there was this figure who was holding this
Speaker 5: sword and the scales. Now, Parmanides on Nature is what
Speaker 5: brought us into the idea of philosophy. From him you
Speaker 5: get the idea of in no contradictions like contradictions are
Speaker 5: not allowed, and so from that you have science springing
Speaker 5: off of philosophy in the idea that you cannot resolve
Speaker 5: these contradictions, therefore you should disregard them. But in that
Speaker 5: poem he talks about Alethia, which is the idea of
Speaker 5: this revealed truth. And from Alethia you get this goddess
Speaker 5: in Greek mythology that they made because of his poem.
Speaker 5: And this Alethia is the reverse of what the Greeks
Speaker 5: considered the fate of the afterlife. So in this picture
Speaker 5: right here, she's holding the cup of Letha to the
Speaker 5: person who is returning to this river of souls right here,
Speaker 5: and by handing you this a cup of letha, it
Speaker 5: would cause you to forget your other lives and then
Speaker 5: return back into this world of the living. And you
Speaker 5: see the red flowing through the background here, that would
Speaker 5: be the indication of this blood knowledge. Right you see
Speaker 5: these little golden specks in that river right there, which
Speaker 5: would be this ancestral knowledge that you would gain as
Speaker 5: you would return back into the world of the living.
Speaker 5: That was a painting by a guy named Gustav Klimpt,
Speaker 5: and that full painting was burned by the Nazis as
Speaker 5: they were treating from this palace where they had amassed
Speaker 5: all of these great works of art, So this thing
Speaker 5: doesn't really exist anymore. So it's almost the perfect symbol
Speaker 5: of this afterworld reincarnation idea. So check that out. It's
Speaker 5: called medicine by Gustav Klimt, and the idea is you
Speaker 5: have to have the revealed truth which overcomes that forgetfulness
Speaker 5: of the afterlife.
Speaker 1: Me I comment real quick, because as you were talking,
Speaker 1: it reminded me of the Crucifixion of Christ when they
Speaker 1: offer him the bitter vinegar cup and he denies it
Speaker 1: right then he goes and returns and then goes again
Speaker 1: to heaven. So there might have been some something there
Speaker 1: going on, and he's like, no, I'm not coming back.
Speaker 1: I'm not forgetting that or something. You know, maybe there's
Speaker 1: something there that that I'll have to look at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that made me think of the faith Bolk of course,
Speaker 2: because you don't drink their drink, you don't eat eat
Speaker 2: their food, or communion for that matter, yea.
Speaker 1: Born again those sorts.
Speaker 5: Of symbolisms Hades and Persephone. Persephone eats the six pomegranate
Speaker 5: seeds and for six months out of the year she's
Speaker 5: to go to the underworld hip right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that is actually interesting that you're bringing up
Speaker 2: Persephony because there I just did uh of episode where
Speaker 2: I reviewed UH Severance with Brightly and Raised by Giants
Speaker 2: and UH Severance and the o A or both modern
Speaker 2: TV shows that are inspired by Orpheus, and Uh, there's
Speaker 2: this whole idea of this journey to the the underworld
Speaker 2: and then back again for for knowledge. A lot of
Speaker 2: your like Hellenistic and pseudo Luciferian mystery schools, even that
Speaker 2: a lot of like your Bohemian grove freemasonry is all
Speaker 2: kind of centered around all kind of can be traced
Speaker 2: back to orphic traditions because after Orpheus came back, he
Speaker 2: started a bunch of mystery schools and cults where he
Speaker 2: swore off the gods, and he swore off women, and
Speaker 2: he became homosexual.
Speaker 3: And he was.
Speaker 2: Initiating all these men into all these different kind of
Speaker 2: you know, inverse practices you could say it as and
Speaker 2: the like kind of gets to the the Theotical Society.
Speaker 2: And there was actually a book written by a guy
Speaker 2: named Edward L. Gardner. He was part of the Theoptical Society.
Speaker 2: He wrote a book called The Play of Consciousness within
Speaker 2: the Web, and it was all about consciousness being this
Speaker 2: interconnected web interface basically like a like a human supercomputer, right,
Speaker 2: and having to weave your your fate with yournosis and everything.
Speaker 2: The synthesis of what the theatro Society was talking about.
Speaker 1: Even that word state contains eight.
Speaker 2: I just noticed, yep, eighty eight. That's why in Back
Speaker 2: to the Future they had to go through eighty eight
Speaker 2: miles per hours so they could time travel.
Speaker 5: Eighty eight keys on the keyboard. And it was well
Speaker 5: known back in the day that Moses, of all people
Speaker 5: was considered to be the tutor of Orpheus, and so
Speaker 5: Orpheus learned music through Moses, and so there was that
Speaker 5: big cross over there between the two of them, because
Speaker 5: you know, the teacher of the law is the one
Speaker 5: teaching music, and that is how this resonance sort of happens.
Speaker 5: It's through the laws of nature, and so Orpheus was
Speaker 5: said to be, uh, the you know, student of Moses
Speaker 5: of all people.
Speaker 1: Another biblical figure known for his harp harp stability was
Speaker 1: King David.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and his his his mother was the amuse, was
Speaker 2: one of the muses of music. That's right. He was
Speaker 2: so good at it as well. And I think there's
Speaker 2: definitely a connection between the muses in the faith. For sure,
Speaker 2: there's this because when you think about it, if you're weaving,
Speaker 2: you're creating art, you're creating a life of foundation for life.
Speaker 2: You need amuse, and that's that's going back to the
Speaker 2: whole masculine and feminine. You know, the man needs amuse
Speaker 2: a reason why he's creating the life he's creating. And
Speaker 2: a lot of times that that is as women as
Speaker 2: the duality and beautiful the beauty of masculine and the feminine.
Speaker 1: And you got eighty eight constellations, I think, right, So
Speaker 1: that is that correct?
Speaker 3: Pretty sure?
Speaker 1: Well, that's at least according to the officials such and such.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's changed in number of the years.
Speaker 5: Right, the eighty eight official ones. But before that you
Speaker 5: had different constellations for the Greeks, different constellations for the Romans.
Speaker 5: They all had their own spin on it, but they
Speaker 5: would try to keep those twelve normalized so that you
Speaker 5: could have communication between these different cultures based off of
Speaker 5: the astro theological symbolism of those twelve zodiac signs which
Speaker 5: the sun would travel through during the year, and the
Speaker 5: sun makes a giant eight in the sky the yeah,
Speaker 5: an a lima.
Speaker 6: Interest.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also something that I didn't bring up earlier then,
Speaker 2: one of the Nasca lines is a spider of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I saw somebody put that in the chatter that you
Speaker 6: can only see it from up high, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Interesting. So I think what's what's coming together here is
Speaker 5: that if you don't mess with fate, if you don't
Speaker 5: mess with the spider, the spiders won't mess with you,
Speaker 5: and pretty normalized in uh, this idea of going on
Speaker 5: the hero's journey is that you can reject the kind
Speaker 5: of call to action, right, but you do so it's
Speaker 5: your own peril and in a lot of cases. This
Speaker 5: is this is what we see happening over and over again,
Speaker 5: is you have to accept that call to action so
Speaker 5: that you can be useful. And that's that's really what's
Speaker 5: at the heart of the spider symbolism because even though
Speaker 5: you know you may feel trapped by it, unless you're
Speaker 5: willing to play out your role, you're not going to
Speaker 5: have a role. And that's going to change your entire
Speaker 5: life from that point onward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that I love that we're talking about this.
Speaker 2: One of the Brandon mindis uh ongoing series on our
Speaker 2: channel that we were to as God as a playwright,
Speaker 2: and it's it's all about this whole world stage scripture.
Speaker 2: Uh to play your part, to go on your your
Speaker 2: hero's journey and uh, of course how you will, but
Speaker 2: you have to do you have to dance with the faiths. Right,
Speaker 2: there's there's a very delicate dance. Don't camp them. That's
Speaker 2: why you don't you know, you don't, Uh, you don't
Speaker 2: they are utter the words. Uh you know, it can't
Speaker 2: get any worse than this or something like that, Right,
Speaker 2: you don't, you don't cant Oh you want to bet
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 3: Get a lot worse it's happened to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So yeah, you don't want to them
Speaker 2: because you know you're you're putting if the whole back
Speaker 2: and forth, whatever you put out in the universe, you'll
Speaker 2: get back at you. So if you if you utter
Speaker 2: those words, if you timpt them, then I'm gonna be like, well,
Speaker 2: that's what you're asking for. And that's that's why the
Speaker 2: Stoics was like, you know this, appreciate what you have.
Speaker 2: You only can control your inner world, you can't control
Speaker 2: the outer world. I mean, I think that's why I
Speaker 2: think that this the Stokes had had the right mindset,
Speaker 2: because if you practice Sicism, you're practicing dancing with the fates,
Speaker 2: and you're you're practicing weaving in a sense. And it's
Speaker 2: the same thing with Middle Path and Jesus, You're you're
Speaker 2: doing that. Finally, ants aligned dance if you will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, David was said to have danced for God actually
Speaker 1: and it pleased him.
Speaker 5: I found out that Stoichia is Greek for the elements,
Speaker 5: and Stoichia and the Stoicism is like elementalism, and so
Speaker 5: there's a big crossover between these two ideas.
Speaker 1: There's stocheometry and chemistry as well. I wanted to mention
Speaker 1: something about the weave of tempting fate. A lot of
Speaker 1: times master artisans or whatever, they would leave imperfections in
Speaker 1: their arts not to tempt quote unquote the gods or
Speaker 1: whatever they are. So there was just something else on
Speaker 1: an ad.
Speaker 5: The Native Americans when they're doing these masterful bead works
Speaker 5: would always include an off color bead, so it hap
Speaker 5: to tempt the gods again, same idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's also something to do with you
Speaker 2: going back to the whole incubus thatchibist, sultry aspect of
Speaker 2: the spider and like the uh, you know, this whole
Speaker 2: kind of uh desire aspect of the spider. You you know,
Speaker 2: you don't can't fate. And also one of man's greatest
Speaker 2: obstacles in life his that someone when one of his
Speaker 2: main trials in his her journey oftentimes is temptation. So
Speaker 2: there's definite connection between your temperament and soakism and you know,
Speaker 2: mastering your temperament and temptation and tempting fate. There's there's
Speaker 2: this whole thread all the way through all those ideas.
Speaker 3: Might let's see that you see, like going along with
Speaker 3: the lost card.
Speaker 2: Yeah, extent, Yeah, I think I think it's brands that
Speaker 2: that tell me it be weary of women with you know,
Speaker 2: spider tattoos.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm if she's got a dagger or a
Speaker 1: spider just or a scorpion, just leave it alone.
Speaker 2: Makes me think of we're talking the relation between scorpions
Speaker 2: also being a rackmans and you brought up that story
Speaker 2: about frogs taking or spiders taking frogs as their pets.
Speaker 2: That makes me think of the of the fable the
Speaker 2: frog and the scorpion, you know, and the whole lesson
Speaker 2: of you know, be careful your trust, like if the
Speaker 2: you know, you have to judge the book by its cover,
Speaker 2: because if a scorpion is coming out to you and
Speaker 2: oh I'm not gonna seeing you, it's still a scorpion.
Speaker 2: A spade is still a spade.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's like Trump going on about his snake speech, telling
Speaker 4: everybody what I was just about.
Speaker 1: To say that thank you, you're right. He told us
Speaker 1: that story a lot, hadn't he.
Speaker 5: What's the snake speech? I want to hear it.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 4: He goes on about like I think some like basically
Speaker 4: some old lady helps a snake and then eventually it
Speaker 4: just bites her ass and she's like, why'd you do that?
Speaker 3: He's like, Mitch, you knew I was a snake, and what.
Speaker 5: I as got to tell his audience, you know, go
Speaker 5: forward to get award.
Speaker 1: Well, that's part of the karmic implications magic, right, is
Speaker 1: that you got to tell them or whatever. And if
Speaker 1: they just go along with it, well you're comically released
Speaker 1: from that.
Speaker 3: They love what he says.
Speaker 5: Right, you knew I was a snake, you know.
Speaker 3: Uh, even with the with the this this again with
Speaker 3: the the spider that you mentioned, and then you mentioned
Speaker 3: the scorpion.
Speaker 4: Just one weird thing that I did think of real
Speaker 4: quick is that, you know, the spider has eight eyes,
Speaker 4: and it was something I didn't know about the scorpion
Speaker 4: util Headless mentioned it. The shellosically one right now, So
Speaker 4: I mean there is something even different with those two
Speaker 4: and isolated.
Speaker 5: Well, you've also got the crab, the horseshoe crab, right,
Speaker 5: the entire membrane is like this eyeball, and you know
Speaker 5: the the quote unquote eye stalks that they have one
Speaker 5: of the most primitive forms of seeing, are underneath that shell.
Speaker 5: So the whole thing is sort of looking up, and
Speaker 5: it's one of the oldest animals there is. It's looking
Speaker 5: up with its entire shell.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: One one thing that I have mentioned, but I think
Speaker 2: you guys will will like this. There is a movie
Speaker 2: called The Adjustment Bureau. This is based off of a
Speaker 2: Philip Dick short storage called The Adjustment Team, and it's
Speaker 2: all about the fate. Essentially. It's this this bureaucracy of
Speaker 2: essentially angels. You could you could refer to them as
Speaker 2: agent of fate who make sure everything goes as planned.
Speaker 2: And is this whole corporate, uh angelic, spiritual bureaucracy and
Speaker 2: a man whole journey of trying to go against that
Speaker 2: and get what he wants, which in this case is
Speaker 2: like this man picture dream girl moment where she was
Speaker 2: just supposedting firing him once and he was never supposed
Speaker 2: to see it again. But he's like, I gotta marry
Speaker 2: this girl. I gotta marry this girl. And the whole,
Speaker 2: the whole story behind it is that God has rewritten
Speaker 2: the script so many times that in previous iterations they
Speaker 2: was married, but he rewrote it to where they don't
Speaker 2: get married because he didn't see the need for them
Speaker 2: to get married. Anymore is what they allude to. There's
Speaker 2: not really a reason. It's just like, well, God just
Speaker 2: rewrote it. Guy's not supposed to get married anymore. She's
Speaker 2: just not your fire and then disappeared from your life.
Speaker 2: And he's like, no, I am, I will marry this
Speaker 2: this this woman. And so he goes and goes up
Speaker 2: against these agents of fate. And the reason why he's
Speaker 2: able to is because they refer to it as there's
Speaker 2: also chance, and they have no domain over chance, which
Speaker 2: is just pre will essentially, and so he's it's it's
Speaker 2: this whole like Romeo and Juliet kind of duality of
Speaker 2: two people from you know, different worlds kind of colliding.
Speaker 2: And I think there was something very alchemical about Romeo
Speaker 2: and Juliet, and going back to the whole out chemical marriag.
Speaker 2: So I think that's another connection between the two. Is
Speaker 2: this story that because Philip K. Dick was a very
Speaker 2: mystical person. He was he had all kinds of crazy
Speaker 2: experiences and dreams and you know, all kinds of different things.
Speaker 1: So well, my buddy told me he ingested high amounts
Speaker 1: of vitamin C on purpose to try and induce schizophrenia.
Speaker 1: So that he could tap into the spirit realm more easily. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: in the movie you were describing reminds me of Dark
Speaker 1: City as well, because there's like these entities in there
Speaker 1: doing what they call queueing, where they changed the environment
Speaker 1: and they would come in when people were asleep and
Speaker 1: put everything back the way it was or whatever, and
Speaker 1: they'd plant memories in people's heads. So, like you're talking
Speaker 1: about the manic Pixie dream girl thing, Well, this guy
Speaker 1: in the movie had like this image of a beach
Speaker 1: vacation that he had never had, but they had put there,
Speaker 1: and so that was like his fire that kept him going, you.
Speaker 5: Know, Aldy's fire to get the shell beach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I see that. Man.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that reminds me really quick. I've talked about this
Speaker 2: with the Brains before. There was a movie called Paris,
Speaker 2: Texas Is by a director named Wim Winters. And this
Speaker 2: is probably what references this movie all the time. It's
Speaker 2: it's a movie that everyone has never seen but has
Speaker 2: always seen because your favorite movies and directors and actors
Speaker 2: invoke this film all the time. It's just it's an Americana, shamanistic,
Speaker 2: American kind of film about this guy named Travis going
Speaker 2: on this shamanistic journey to have his American dream and
Speaker 2: reunite his family union. He goes to the desert and
Speaker 2: everything goes on this whole psychedelic trip and everything he
Speaker 2: wears a red hat. Beyonce invoked it in her in
Speaker 2: her Country out her quote country album Lonad Delray Hasn't
Speaker 2: invoked it multiple times in music and her song Paris Texas.
Speaker 2: It was also Curtical Bain's favorite film. Curtical ban went
Speaker 2: on and on and on about this film. It spoke
Speaker 2: him a lot. It's very it's a very it's the
Speaker 2: American mynthod it's really and what the American dream is?
Speaker 2: It all have to do with this this red hat
Speaker 2: Travis Shawman going on this sharmanistic journey, and yeah, Malga
Speaker 2: hat has a deep connection throughout history. But another thing
Speaker 2: that they're kind of weaving into their symbolism is this
Speaker 2: film using the red hat Shamans and this whole idea
Speaker 2: of American dream, because what is you know, what does
Speaker 2: Maga's hand for make American great again? This idea of
Speaker 2: the bringing back the American dream. So there's something to
Speaker 2: weave on that really quick, and I turned it through
Speaker 2: ad because I find that fascinating.
Speaker 5: Well, you've also got the hat of the French Revolution,
Speaker 5: which was this connection, way way, way, way way way.
Speaker 1: Back to the what are they called frigging cap.
Speaker 5: Frygian cap. There you go, and it just weaves all
Speaker 5: throughout time and space, this Frygian cap, and it's it's
Speaker 5: back with the maga, you know, the magas the magician,
Speaker 5: and we're all putting on the magician's cap. You know,
Speaker 5: there's something to that.
Speaker 1: And two presidential terms is how many years?
Speaker 5: Eight years?
Speaker 6: Wow?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 2: And when tempting fate, I'll say one more kind of
Speaker 2: short story here about tempting fate in America. There was
Speaker 2: a story I heard about George Washington and that I
Speaker 2: find super interesting, and that that he had essentially plot armor,
Speaker 2: he had spiritual armor. And there's this story of I
Speaker 2: guess it used to be in our history of books,
Speaker 2: but they took it out because it's not invoked to
Speaker 2: talk about this story anymore. And that is that George
Speaker 2: Washington he had you know, he fought multiple wars battles
Speaker 2: before he became president, and later in his life he
Speaker 2: had this Native American I believe, which was the chief
Speaker 2: who came promised he really wanted to meet him. He goes,
Speaker 2: Sir Geers Washington, I'm on my deathbed and I really
Speaker 2: wanted to meet you because I fought you a multiple battle.
Speaker 2: Then I'm an expert marksman, and.
Speaker 10: I hate you multiple times, and my men hit you
Speaker 10: multiple times and you never took damage, and to the
Speaker 10: point where I told my man to stop wasting their
Speaker 10: ammunition on you, because.
Speaker 2: I believe that you are protected by the great force
Speaker 2: above for something greater in life. So it's this idea
Speaker 2: that you know when someone is destined for something that
Speaker 2: they're they're they're they're going they're going to have I
Speaker 2: guess you can say good luck, right, because you have
Speaker 2: like luck as another opponent of fates and everything. So
Speaker 2: if you if you have something faded for you, if
Speaker 2: you're destined for something greater, I should say you're going
Speaker 2: to have good luck. You're going to have some kind
Speaker 2: of what seems like spiritual plot arm or.
Speaker 5: Well. That's interesting too because in the basement of the
Speaker 5: Capitol Building they have a huge mural on the ceiling
Speaker 5: which is called the Apotheosis of George Washington. So they
Speaker 5: were including some kind of godlike symbolism around this character,
Speaker 5: and it's yeah.
Speaker 6: I think it's him being like in dust it into heaven.
Speaker 5: Right right now, all of the Greek gods around him.
Speaker 5: So there was a very very potent symbol of what
Speaker 5: they were trying to create with this idea of George Washington.
Speaker 5: And you've got all these stories surrounding his fate, surrounding
Speaker 5: his destiny, and you know, we've lost a lot of
Speaker 5: that and they don't teach it anymore because we're all
Speaker 5: supposed to believe that we're bad. We're bad people. We're
Speaker 5: all white, we're bad, we've got white privilege and all
Speaker 5: the rest of this crime. But I think it goes
Speaker 5: back to the idea that they're taking down the destiny
Speaker 5: angle of America, and we're not supposed to have that destiny.
Speaker 5: We're not supposed to think of ourselves like this. We're
Speaker 5: supposed to be brought down to the to the level
Speaker 5: of mortals and spit upon all the rest of this stuff.
Speaker 5: So I don't know, maybe these script writers are looking
Speaker 5: for a third act, you know, maybe that's what they're
Speaker 5: going for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're not only can you rewrite history, and
Speaker 2: you know, you can impact generations to come. I mean
Speaker 2: the way, uh, A good way of putting it is,
Speaker 2: if you a way to weave alternative, if you're not
Speaker 2: gonna be working with fate and flowing with fate and
Speaker 2: you entering that flow state, if you're not working up
Speaker 2: the current, and you're working down the current away from
Speaker 2: the current, and then you're gonna have to find an
Speaker 2: alternative source. And usually from what I think, that alternative
Speaker 2: source is of course, rewriting history, because if you rewrite
Speaker 2: history and then teachs your version, your narrative to future generations,
Speaker 2: and then there whatever they do for their future is
Speaker 2: going to be in line to what the read written
Speaker 2: past that they rewrote. So to stop that, to break
Speaker 2: from that cycle, you know, you have to go back
Speaker 2: and learn true history, your true roots, good you know,
Speaker 2: and all that. And I think that that's how they're
Speaker 2: why these bohemian growth people are scared of the spider,
Speaker 2: because they know that they're working against fate in everything
Speaker 2: that they do. So when they say weave inspiders come
Speaker 2: not here, they're saying, fait, stay away from us, because
Speaker 2: we're working against you, because it's our will, you know,
Speaker 2: alis Curley's whole thing is right, is will. They're saying
Speaker 2: stay away. You know, we have minervers owl with us.
Speaker 2: Stay away from us, so we can rewrite our history
Speaker 2: and write our own future.
Speaker 1: Kind of like the villains of Spider Man. Right, it's
Speaker 1: just like Spider Man. Now, it's just like never.
Speaker 5: Something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for bringing that up. Something that I
Speaker 2: didn't bring up about Spider Man is the movie Spider
Speaker 2: Verse is different from the comics. The movie is cool,
Speaker 2: but they bring out way too much sci fi kind
Speaker 2: of stuff and techy, kind of transhuman this kind of
Speaker 2: side of things. The comics, it's all magical. In the
Speaker 2: comics of Spider Verse, the villain isn't Spot or Spider
Speaker 2: Man twenty nine to nine. In the comics, it's interdimensional
Speaker 2: vampires called the Inheritors that feed on not blood but
Speaker 2: energetic agegoric toll bug like figures that they call totems,
Speaker 2: and they are feeding on the Spider cotem because the
Speaker 2: Spider symbol in the Marvel universe is like one of
Speaker 2: the largest symbols, right, And so they come up with
Speaker 2: this occult ritual to take the bride, which is Silk,
Speaker 2: the first Spider Woman, and do this a cult ritual
Speaker 2: to feed on the oldest Spider people at once across
Speaker 2: the webs of Fate and devour the energy from their
Speaker 2: from the great hyperstitual of the Spider. So you know
Speaker 2: there is something to that, especially when you going back
Speaker 2: to the whole Bohemian Grove and then working against Fate
Speaker 2: sort of aspect. There is this kind of warning factions
Speaker 2: that seems like.
Speaker 5: Right, they have to kind of destroy the past so
Speaker 5: that they can shape their future, and the whole Bohemian
Speaker 5: Grove people are like, well, if we destroy the past,
Speaker 5: we can keep fade away from us. But I don't
Speaker 5: think it's working anymore, and it's all sort of going
Speaker 5: down the tubes. So all of these different stories are
Speaker 5: basically having to die along with their systems. So there's
Speaker 5: there's this huge, sort of concerted effort to take everything
Speaker 5: down with them, and unfortunately that includes us. So these
Speaker 5: these stories that they're they're taking down are now you know,
Speaker 5: basically including them as well.
Speaker 6: So yeah, well you.
Speaker 1: Even see that in pop culture, like, look how many
Speaker 1: times are what the most recent disaster was Snow White.
Speaker 1: I Mean, I know that's not like a huge cultural thing,
Speaker 1: but it's the first animated movie, right, just like they
Speaker 1: want to attack all these stories and drag them down
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 2: I guess right, yeah, well, so, yeah, thank you for
Speaker 2: bringing that up branch snow White. Well, I think it's
Speaker 2: interesting with that was snow White was released, that this
Speaker 2: new iteration of snow White was released on the alleged
Speaker 2: last day of the Cali Yuga. And so I joke
Speaker 2: that snow White was gonna We're gonna end the Cali
Speaker 2: Yuga and bringing a new age. And of course, uh,
Speaker 2: Cali is often depicted on a white horse, right, and
Speaker 2: uh what the snow white ride?
Speaker 3: And what is.
Speaker 2: A white horse exactly? And which is crazy because you know,
Speaker 2: everyone's talking about the vibe shift in the zeit guy
Speaker 2: since Trump won, and it's like the you know where
Speaker 2: it's kind of the pendulum is swinging in the in
Speaker 2: the other way a little bit energetically, and it's what
Speaker 2: is it? Is it swinging away from it? It seems
Speaker 2: like all the this woke crap is going kind of
Speaker 2: coming out of vogue a little bit. And what what
Speaker 2: is a good example of that that woke garbage failing?
Speaker 2: Snow White is a good example of that of all
Speaker 2: the woke ism failing, and so I think it's it's
Speaker 2: interesting that Snow Snow White being released on the last
Speaker 2: day of the Caliyuga, ending this whole woke era, right,
Speaker 2: And so I think what the vibe shift is is
Speaker 2: we're entering this this other age, this age of I
Speaker 2: think what Branch would talk about as like dark maga
Speaker 2: of course, right, which is its only thing. But we're
Speaker 2: it's so we're going towards this dark mega thing, but
Speaker 2: we're going away from this woke thing. And so I
Speaker 2: think Snow White was like this, this last kind of
Speaker 2: you have this death throw of of the woke age.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have Trump, who is known as like the
Speaker 6: Great White Hope or whatever, being the you know, the
Speaker 6: light side. Then you have the dark maga, very cabbalistic
Speaker 6: as well, especially when you look into who Trump is
Speaker 6: taking a lot of these orders from, right. Uh, he
Speaker 6: has to go and kiss the wall and do do
Speaker 6: all that all that fun stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you think he'll build Do you think he'll build
Speaker 1: a third Temple?
Speaker 6: Sorry to cut you off, Oh, absolute, absolutely, dude. I
Speaker 6: think I mean they're all they're already calling him the
Speaker 6: King Cyrus, right, right, So I mean they they've made
Speaker 6: a coin for him, and they're they're creating this image
Speaker 6: for him, and uh and yeah, I think he is
Speaker 6: definitely involved. I think Elon Musk is a moon child
Speaker 6: as as well. So there's there's a lot tied in there.
Speaker 6: Like you said earlier, you know, the Maga, the magus,
Speaker 6: all this great work that's happening right in front of
Speaker 6: our faces on this world stage, and then you really
Speaker 6: have to dig into some of this stuff to kind
Speaker 6: of get a grasp of what's really going on.
Speaker 1: You know, well, imagine being a fly on the wall
Speaker 1: or dare I say, a spider in the corner of
Speaker 1: one of these rooms.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: The Wokism sort of represented the controlled demolition of the
Speaker 5: American culture, right. It was just everything American has to die.
Speaker 5: Everything is racist, everything is bad. And then you know
Speaker 5: you see kind of the eleven the Towers that they've
Speaker 5: been trying to destroy since two thousand and one. It's
Speaker 5: not taken. People aren't taking to it. It's you know, again,
Speaker 5: like in that fashion, Dearth, you don't have this progression,
Speaker 5: but since you've got a little bit of a energetic insurgence, right,
Speaker 5: that's that's kind of what the Trump represents in modern
Speaker 5: society is this energetic insurgence. It's like, we're not going
Speaker 5: to go to bed quiet. We're not going to be
Speaker 5: the easily destroyed kind of culture that you want us
Speaker 5: to be. We're not going to shift the way that
Speaker 5: you want us to. So in a lot of ways,
Speaker 5: you could say that the controlled demolition people have now
Speaker 5: sort of taken a backfoot. Well, at the same time,
Speaker 5: there's an undercurrent that you see happening with the Trump
Speaker 5: thing that's sort of leading us back into that destruction.
Speaker 5: You know, he wants to bring about that end of
Speaker 5: the world that eschatology, and people aren't having it. You
Speaker 5: can see it all around him. People are not having it.
Speaker 5: So that's a good thing. I think in a lot
Speaker 5: of ways, spiritually, it's a rejection of this controlled demolition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you buy that. Yat.
Speaker 11: I just says, he said, what about sexually blackmail and
Speaker 11: wealthy your mom sorry that's his name, your mom? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 11: And that's a black window program, right you you impay
Speaker 11: ultra these these women to be.
Speaker 2: Assassins into honey pot, you know, of course, that's all.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a lot of of movies and like
Speaker 2: Marvel movies and everything as well, but in modern times,
Speaker 2: it's just the Internet, right. Everyone knows you have your
Speaker 2: browser history, and then like they want to blockmail you
Speaker 2: with that, and you know, and who owned all the
Speaker 2: VPNs right that's supposed to you know, protect us and
Speaker 2: everything and and all that. Who you, hugh really owns
Speaker 2: this free domain of the Internet.
Speaker 6: Yea, well me, me and my buddy Jose just did
Speaker 6: a deep dive on Michael Lokino in the Temple of
Speaker 6: Set and how they worship the Psyche. And when you
Speaker 6: look into the word psyche, it comes from uh Psyche,
Speaker 6: which is a I think a Greek goddess represented by
Speaker 6: a butterfly right headless. Now you see butterflies in monarch programming,
Speaker 6: MK ultra all that stuff, and it's like, well, what
Speaker 6: the fuck is going on here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: This the symbolism is used a lot more than I
Speaker 6: think we know guys.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: So it's good to have these kind of certain discussions
Speaker 6: on it, man, I think we can learn a lot
Speaker 6: from each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 1: Game.
Speaker 5: Mythology around Psyche is her love affair with arrows. Arrows
Speaker 5: love and Psyche and so these things are really late,
Speaker 5: especially when you're talking about sexual blackmail. Yeah, to have
Speaker 5: this love between the psyche and back to that, you know,
Speaker 5: the pace.
Speaker 1: But here's another layer to it. She wasn't allowed to
Speaker 1: look at him. And so with these blackmail operations there's
Speaker 1: always a camera they don't know as they're watching them
Speaker 1: and recording, and that's.
Speaker 2: So wid Yeah, it's an orphic. Yeah, it's an orphic tradition.
Speaker 2: Blackmail could be seen as an orphic tradition. I'm glad
Speaker 2: you brought this full like artemist angle of it up
Speaker 2: because Artemis is the wild woman, so that gets back
Speaker 2: to the whole like wild aspect of it. And I
Speaker 2: also I think it's interesting that you brought up butterflies
Speaker 2: because the branch we talked about cryptids a lot, and
Speaker 2: he he likes talking. He he likes bringing up mothmane and.
Speaker 9: And from the area where yeah, man, it's crazy, bro,
Speaker 9: I Canmelia some moth Man memorabilia I got, I gotta
Speaker 9: get you guys on man.
Speaker 2: And and my and I come from more mid Midwest
Speaker 2: area area. And what I referred to as the polar
Speaker 2: opposite speaking of post symbolism other than Offman and that
Speaker 2: is the drop on butterfly people. And what I think
Speaker 2: the drop on butterfly people are are just angels, because
Speaker 2: you know, there's the hierarchy of angels. There are angels
Speaker 2: with eyes in their wings. So if you're not familiar
Speaker 2: with the man, if you're not if you're not familiar
Speaker 2: with what happened in Droplin a few years ago, there
Speaker 2: was one of the largest recorded tornadoes in history. It
Speaker 2: wiped out the entire town, and there all these people
Speaker 2: all had a similar story of being saved by butterfly people.
Speaker 2: And you say, well, maybe they're yes, and and they're
Speaker 2: You could say, well, maybe they're they're talking about of angels,
Speaker 2: well yeah, and which I think they are in a way,
Speaker 2: But why aren't they referring to them as angels? Because
Speaker 2: this is the Bible Belt, and so a lot of
Speaker 2: people are still Christians, still have a Christian viewpoint of
Speaker 2: what the angel looks like, but it's not typically accurate,
Speaker 2: of course, So when you look at butterfly wings, you
Speaker 2: have all those patterns sim more to a peacock feather
Speaker 2: and which often look like eyeballs. So if they're seeing
Speaker 2: these angels with eyes on their wings and they're and
Speaker 2: the only but they can't comprehend it because it's not
Speaker 2: in their uh modern day Christianity kind of outlook on
Speaker 2: what they look like their dogma. They're the only way
Speaker 2: that they can translate it is saying that it's butterfly people.
Speaker 2: And so now that now that the towns rebuilt those
Speaker 2: moral morals and uh, statues of butterflies and these butterfly
Speaker 2: people all over this town and it's like part of
Speaker 2: the war now. And so I think it's interesting, Uh
Speaker 2: math Man, you know, is a harboraging of dirm He
Speaker 2: comes before the contrast contrastrophe, these butterfly people came after
Speaker 2: the catastrophe. So it's like the light side of these
Speaker 2: of this highest.
Speaker 6: Strangeness of the mall that also, sorry headless, keep interrupting,
Speaker 6: you say, the math that also represents death, right, like
Speaker 6: in the symbolism that we're talking about, So Silence of
Speaker 6: the Lambs, that's was.
Speaker 1: Also in West Virginia, same as the math.
Speaker 5: Man, right, So the math Man is is linked to
Speaker 5: the idea of its destruction, right, So the web of destruction,
Speaker 5: it's led right to that web of destruction. And then
Speaker 5: the butterfly is like transformation, merging out of you know,
Speaker 5: a bad situation that Chrystal is into a greater form,
Speaker 5: but you've still got the same sort of wing eye
Speaker 5: symbolism on either one. So they're kind of like two
Speaker 5: sides of the same coin.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think when I said to often them, I
Speaker 6: think those are the angels with with the wheels with
Speaker 6: the eyes sera or the fiery serpents with the eyes
Speaker 6: on their wings, right, yes? Or is that the chair
Speaker 6: of them? No, that's not the chair of them, that
Speaker 6: the eyes on the wings. Yeah, yeah, yeah seraph.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, since you're talking about butterflies and consciousness. Uh, something
Speaker 2: that I find interesting is, uh the word reality has
Speaker 2: the same linguistic root as the word war tea. And
Speaker 2: so when you're thinking about your kingdom, it's it's it's
Speaker 2: your what your reality is, Well, it's your kingdom isn't
Speaker 2: just your domain, your house, but it's everything that's in
Speaker 2: your perspective. And so it's uh so when we have
Speaker 2: so when you you know, when you align your chalkas
Speaker 2: and you get your crown chakra and all that and
Speaker 2: you stevente your your your your masculine or or your
Speaker 2: feminine and you you you're fully realized human. You can
Speaker 2: weave your faith, so to speak, you're the king of
Speaker 2: your reality and uh to reference Lion King, which is,
Speaker 2: of course, it's just adapted from Hamlet with Hamlet is
Speaker 2: adapted from the Viking tell of Hamlet, so it which
Speaker 2: is interesting that this story has gone on throughout time
Speaker 2: from the Vikings to Shakespeare to now your Disney. But
Speaker 2: there's a moment in Disney's version of this telle in
Speaker 2: The Lion King where Simba is on pipe rock with
Speaker 2: Mufassa and they're overlooking their kingdom and Mufoster says, everything
Speaker 2: that's in the light is ours, and everything that's in
Speaker 2: the darkness is not, and that speaks to the Mascal
Speaker 2: word of no right saying the uh no, this is
Speaker 2: I'm not welcoming this into my kingdom. I'm not welcomed
Speaker 2: welcoming this into my own reality. And if you can
Speaker 2: do that, then you are You're You're the head, You're
Speaker 2: the king. And that's where you get this idea of
Speaker 2: controlling your fate, controlling your raality, controlling your perspective, and
Speaker 2: the reason why they wanted to force these narratives onto us.
Speaker 2: Whether this is woke crap or whatever you want to
Speaker 2: terminology you want to refer to, it as is because
Speaker 2: we're we're like antainers, right, we're like satellites, So we're
Speaker 2: manifesting our own reality in a way all around us.
Speaker 2: And if they get enough people to go around go
Speaker 2: on with their narratives, then they're then we're helping them
Speaker 2: weave their reality. So because we're all tapping into their signal, Well,
Speaker 2: if you're your own king, then you're like you're and
Speaker 2: you're weaving your own fate. You're projecting your own reality,
Speaker 2: and you're saying, no, I am not working welcoming these
Speaker 2: narratives into my own reality. So that's the other part
Speaker 2: of it as well.
Speaker 5: They could tell us what to believe, but it's up
Speaker 5: to us to believe them. That's the choice that we
Speaker 5: have to make.
Speaker 3: Absolutely the free will.
Speaker 6: And like what you said about this controlled demolition of
Speaker 6: our society, I mean Albert Pike said, and morals and dogma.
Speaker 6: When they need a hero, we will give.
Speaker 5: Them, right, But we don't have to accept it.
Speaker 6: You know, we don't know, we don't headless.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: It feels good to not accept it.
Speaker 5: It's empowering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, was there anything else that of you just wanted
Speaker 3: to talk about?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Before we wrap it up. It's almost a banger, dude. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: this was fond.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you. I mean the past.
Speaker 6: You know, a few times me and you have been
Speaker 6: on uh and it's it's always been a very uh
Speaker 6: interesting conversation, something that I look forward to again. So
Speaker 6: thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 3: Always love getting you on, bro for real.
Speaker 5: When we started, the clouds were just oppressive. It was
Speaker 5: all rainy, and now it is a clear blue, sunny.
Speaker 6: Sketty ship, headless hens headless the same here, nice man. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's funny outside.
Speaker 3: Now the morning, Like I don't want a podcast anymore.
Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Was there anything that that you guys wanted to at
Speaker 4: least mention before we wrap it up that you thought
Speaker 4: was important or are you guys good?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I think I'm good. I made through all
Speaker 2: my nose. I'm surprised I was actual enemy rattle on
Speaker 2: so long. I know I'm long winded.
Speaker 3: You're also totally fine, totally fine.
Speaker 2: I didn't have you on.
Speaker 6: I did want to read one thing, Nick, go for it.
Speaker 6: For the magicians of the Middle Ages surrounded themselves with
Speaker 6: such creatures as bats, spiders, cats, snakes, and monkeys. Because
Speaker 6: they were able to appropriate the life forces of these
Speaker 6: species and use them to the attainment of their own ends.
Speaker 6: Some ancient schools of wisdom taught that all poisonous insects
Speaker 6: and reptiles are germinated out of the evil nature of man,
Speaker 6: and that when intelligent human beings no longer breed hate
Speaker 6: in their own souls, there will be no more for
Speaker 6: animals loasome diseases, or poisonous plants and insects. So I
Speaker 6: thought that was a little something that ended.
Speaker 1: Off with add to that a little bit, unless you
Speaker 1: were going to say something happened. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: This book called the Golden Ass It's often overlooked. It's
Speaker 5: from second century a d. It is a babble by Apulius,
Speaker 5: and in there he's got like thirty six pages of
Speaker 5: the myth of Psyche and Arrows. So if you really
Speaker 5: want to get to know their perspective on this whole
Speaker 5: thing and see the symbolism, it's in this book that.
Speaker 6: I'm about to buy it headless. I know I said
Speaker 6: it last time, but.
Speaker 3: At this time, sorry he did mentioned the last of
Speaker 3: you are right, Yeah, yeah, that's like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, I think he's that's funny.
Speaker 6: Thanks, sorry, branch.
Speaker 1: What what were you going to say, brother, Well, I
Speaker 1: actually don't remember, but what I was going to say
Speaker 1: it I didn't. But one thing I can say though,
Speaker 1: is spiders can be good to add to your gardens
Speaker 1: and such, because I try to practice integrated pest management,
Speaker 1: so using wasps, frementous spiders. They do have a niche
Speaker 1: same with snakes. So you know, I totally understand not
Speaker 1: letting poisonous snakes or spiders or whatever be around, but like,
Speaker 1: they do have a niche purpose. So if you're seeing
Speaker 1: spiders around your house, it's all some people in the
Speaker 1: chat asking like, well what does this mean? Well, if
Speaker 1: you have spiders, you have bugs, because I'm not going
Speaker 1: to stick around if there's no bugs, right right, right,
Speaker 1: So and you know, maybe meditate the next time you meditate,
Speaker 1: think about the spider because it does have some redynion
Speaker 1: qualities like, for instance, they're very patient, right and resilient.
Speaker 1: That all animals live outside, you know, and dure the
Speaker 1: elements the way they do, so you know, every animal's
Speaker 1: got something we can learn from it. And I find
Speaker 1: that the twilight language, you know, like the Bible and
Speaker 1: a lot of other books use there's a lot of
Speaker 1: animals and trees and things like that and them. So
Speaker 1: if we take time to outside the text to study
Speaker 1: up on the ecology of the creature, the horticulture of
Speaker 1: the plant, you know, we can oftentimes get a lot
Speaker 1: of insights. So I'd just like to encourage folks to
Speaker 1: remember the spider isn't all bad, because if it weren't
Speaker 1: for spiders, we'd be overrun with bugs for sure. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure we can all agree that we hate bugs
Speaker 1: more than spiders. You're right.
Speaker 6: I think that has to do with the duality of
Speaker 6: all these creatures, right right, as well as the intention
Speaker 6: of you know, your relationship with these spiders, like are
Speaker 6: they guarding your house from other bugs that could get
Speaker 6: in there and you know, tear shit up or you
Speaker 6: know more dangerous spiders. I don't know, but definitely no,
Speaker 6: there's you know, people look at a lot of this,
Speaker 6: A lot of this knowledge is just being bad because
Speaker 6: it is hidden, right. They fear what they don't know,
Speaker 6: but definitely many ways to look at them.
Speaker 5: If we are masters of our own fate, webs, then
Speaker 5: it's up to us what bugs we're letting live in
Speaker 5: our webs. So you've got to be conscious of that
Speaker 5: and get rid of the garbage that's blocking up your web,
Speaker 5: because that's why you read that faith that you're supposed
Speaker 5: to be at.
Speaker 1: There, I say, you're going to knock out the cobwebs.
Speaker 1: I actually remember what I was gonna say. It was
Speaker 1: on the tail end of what you said, jewels, I think,
Speaker 1: or maybe it was headless, but the spiritual authority, Oh
Speaker 1: it was jewels. The spiritual authority we're given with Christ
Speaker 1: just to tread upon scorpion, snakes, the creeping thing, right,
Speaker 1: So each of these, Yeah, they occupy the lower kingdoms
Speaker 1: of the earth, of which man is at the top,
Speaker 1: you know, and lion, of course is below man. But
Speaker 1: the creeping thing is something that we're given authority to
Speaker 1: tread over. It says, so like you were saying there,
Speaker 1: little bit Ago, I think there could be something to that,
Speaker 1: absolutely spiritual analogous analogous spirits associated with them. And this
Speaker 1: goes back to like the concept of cleanliness with animals
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing too. I think parasites and
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, Joel, as he was talking you, you made
Speaker 2: me have a realization. Yeah, we're you know earlier you mentioned,
Speaker 2: uh the spire taking a frog in as a pet.
Speaker 2: I realized so in uh that his family, the family
Speaker 2: with comments was created to be a commentary on the
Speaker 2: American dream and the white pickup French kind of family
Speaker 2: archetype and their pet is thing which is a hang
Speaker 2: but it walks like a spider and it does it
Speaker 2: does their bidding. So I made I made that little
Speaker 2: small connection.
Speaker 1: I thought that was, well, you here something to add
Speaker 1: to that, because just last week this girl shows up
Speaker 1: online with the robotic arm and she can detach the
Speaker 1: hand and and she's like, oh, it even has bluetooth.
Speaker 1: Since she was taking her hand crawl across the table
Speaker 1: with wild she's got her own technological thing.
Speaker 2: Now yeah. Yeah. But some books on spiders, like I
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, there was a book on the Theophical Society,
Speaker 2: which again I'm not promoting these necessarily. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: these are books that I've looked at that that have
Speaker 2: some knowledge into spiders. And that's to play on consciousness
Speaker 2: in the Web by Edward L. Garner, Weaving Fate, hypersiduals,
Speaker 2: changing fate and telling true lies by getting a watch
Speaker 2: that's all about chaos magic, because if you want the
Speaker 2: more scientific like string theory aspect of it, there is
Speaker 2: a book called The Fabric of Reality by David Ducet.
Speaker 2: It's all about the scientific aspect of of what we're
Speaker 2: talking about. And then if you want to talk get
Speaker 2: into the Celtic knots and everything. Symbolism of the of
Speaker 2: the Cross by rene Ganon gets into cross symbolism and
Speaker 2: the crossroads and culture, knots and all this and that
Speaker 2: in the physics sense, in fact the brand. And I
Speaker 2: just went over to that book by Reneganon with Mario
Speaker 2: Guards of Symbolic Studies on my yeah, yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: if you want more that that also get into Celtic
Speaker 2: not it's in this idea of of webs and weaving.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. Nice. Uh all right, uh branch, did you
Speaker 3: have anything you want today? You want to plug anything before?
Speaker 1: Oh no, just remind everybody that it's Saturday, so sebat
Speaker 1: shalom and just uh, you know, pay respect to your
Speaker 1: deity today and read your scriptures whatever culture you're from.
Speaker 3: All right, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: All right, so headless, we'll just go around and let
Speaker 4: you plug yourself, plug the show. You'll plug your show.
Speaker 4: Let everybody know where they can find you. Oh you
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Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 5: I'm the Headless Giant and you can find me on
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Speaker 6: We're doing a show tomorrow night with John Lee Chowbeck.
Speaker 6: I think later tomorrow night, so I haven't confirmed it.
Speaker 6: Yet we're reviewing Crowley's liber Odds, doing a read through
Speaker 6: of it and kind of our interpretation of it. So yeah, yeah, y'all, y'all,
Speaker 6: I'll look out for that. Got a bunch of shows
Speaker 6: coming up, a bunch of good stuff over on Gray
Speaker 6: Pill to everybody. So yeah, thank you again Nick for
Speaker 6: having me on.
Speaker 3: Brother Hell yeah, of course, of course, thank you and
Speaker 3: Branch and I guess of Chris.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if you guys have separate
Speaker 4: things to plug separately besides the channel.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but I guess we'll go with you.
Speaker 1: Branch fir Us, Well, I do have a link tree,
Speaker 1: so I'll provide that to you.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, please, yeah, I'll lay that after the show
Speaker 3: if you like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can include that, So that's I'm trying to.
Speaker 1: I guess what I'll end up having to do is
Speaker 1: probably create a channel and just mirror all the content
Speaker 1: on it. But for now, that's what I got and
Speaker 1: it'll have to do. But there's like thirty different collaborations
Speaker 1: on there. I tried to include a link to every
Speaker 1: person I've collaborated with on there so that you can
Speaker 1: find their stuff, and then there might be multiple other
Speaker 1: videos have done with them, but I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: keep it organized because I never really wanted I just
Speaker 1: kind of do this stuff for fun. But I guess
Speaker 1: after a few years starting to get flutterard, so I
Speaker 1: gotta start organizing it. Lust die for you lose track
Speaker 1: of it. But yeah, if you want to find me
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Speaker 1: you want to find me on Instagram, I'm Apocalyptic Aesthetic
Speaker 1: with two p's as in the phone app. So you
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Speaker 3: Sure, for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a pretty interesting like a Robbie Marks. He's
Speaker 4: he's on the on the Cole Reject. He doesn't have
Speaker 4: his own podcast, but he has a show that's overall
Speaker 4: one hundred episodes of him being on other shows. So
Speaker 4: I get what you're saying, and yeah, that's interesting. Good
Speaker 4: for you, thank you, and Chris go ahead, sorry please.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can follow me on Instagram at you know,
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Speaker 2: my episodes. Coming up, we have ah a new series
Speaker 2: we are I'm going to be watching called Archetypes. Every
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Speaker 2: The first one up is the Messiah archetype with the
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Speaker 2: Maga updates. And then I have a film review series
Speaker 2: called Kingdom Reviews that I do as well, So we
Speaker 2: have we have a bunch of stuff aren't on on
Speaker 2: the books. And then last night, like I said, I
Speaker 2: just released my severance video with Raised by Giants and
Speaker 2: that that was a really fun discussion. You know, Seventh
Speaker 2: is such an interesting show to talk about and it
Speaker 2: was fun having writer on and talking about it. So
Speaker 2: you can go check that out. Chaining. Okay, okay, thanks
Speaker 2: for having us on, Nick and I'm glad to meet
Speaker 2: you guys.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, it was my pleasure.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: That was a great person, great talk, great talk. Glad
Speaker 4: to have you back on again. Uh yeah, and thank
Speaker 4: you everybody in the chat. There's a lot of people
Speaker 4: in the chat, even in the other chats over on
Speaker 4: Juesus side, and I don't know he less with you
Speaker 4: streaming out too, that was pretty sure. There's proble of
Speaker 4: people on your runs as well commenting. Thank you everybody
Speaker 4: who jumped in and had, you know, had something to say.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it, and that's why that's why we went live.
Speaker 4: And that is the end of another recalled Rejects and
Speaker 4: until the next one, everybody be well later.