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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the five hundred

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and fifty ninth episode of the Keepers podcast. No wor

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it's is that mindscript? Yeah? Sorry, the six hundred and

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fifty ninth episode of the key First podcast My Bab

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Speaker 2: Here, I am the Puwboy five and fifty nine asterisks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I'm the Pewboy Captain Tress

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now and I'm joined by.

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Speaker 3: I'm the midfield pooper kirkln Pat Sir, I am the

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full and the Fields unless.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Ladia, maybe haven't guessed by your nicknames. We are

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talking about you know, MSU's back, much anticipated. We only

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got a couple movies until doomsday, and this is one

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of them. We're talking about Thunderbolts AK thunderbolts asterisk. So

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uh yeah. As usual, we're gonna break it down. We're

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gonna have you, gonna give you our nonsport thoughts, so

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in case you're seeing it later or maybe you're undecided,

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this whole portion will just be our thoughts, surface level stuff,

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nothing too specific, give anything away. We'll take a break

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and then we'll tell you a little bit about ourselves

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and where you might find some other stuff that we

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do and then we'll get full into spoil So do

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you have an ample amount of time to back out

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or just pause and come back, because we're always here.

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That's why you should subscribe because at any point, you know,

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someone like myself, I listened to podcasts today that reviewed Craven.

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I still not seeing Craven, but at some point you

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can come back to it, you know. So maybe you're

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not gonna see thunderbustl Disney. Plus, we'll be here waiting

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for those ear holes. But mister patz Er, what did

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you think of Thunderbolts overall? Non spoilers?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, easy answer. Did I have a better time with

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this one? Yes?

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 1: Also, that's worried me for a second.

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Speaker 3: I went to the Craven, you know, side tangent. I

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went to Craven with someone that really enjoyed it. So

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it was it was an interesting because I was sitting

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next to someone that was thoroughly enjoying it, laughing at

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all the jokes, and I was just completely into a

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different ball camp there. I was not having a good time,

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But here we are with Thunderbolts Asterix. Yeah, No, I

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had a really good time with this film. I think

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coming into it, my expectations were, you know, at the

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end of day, I just wanted to enjoy the chemistry

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of these people together, of this band of misfits. I

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feel like that's really what they were promoting, like it

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to be is just like a rag tag rag tag crew,

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and I think they completely passed the assignment there. I

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thought it was really fun. There was a lot of

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jokes that were obviously shown in the trailers, and I

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was surprised some of them, like they actually got me

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even though I was like so done with them by

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the trailer viewing. I just feel like the build up

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of the actual scene or maybe I just maybe it

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was just the atmosphere of the crowd because I a

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pretty full crowd, and I want to say, like eighty

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five percent of the jokes were just hitting so hard

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with my theater, Like it was a really lively crowd.

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overall a fun time. There was clapping and cheering like

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in the credit, so I was, uh, yeah, it was.

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It was It's good to be back in this like

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you know, positive MCU sphere, where like the just certain

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energy in the theater. So yeah, no, I really really

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had a good time with this one. I do recommend

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it to people. It's funny just talking about uh, you know,

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no spoilers, of course, but just comparing this to something

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like Captain America, where in my mind I feel like

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Captain America should have been so much more significant than

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what it was. You know, people I went with tonight,

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Speaker 1: Catch up in the first ten minute center bolt thing

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Speaker 4: Everything they missed so like and then happened.

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there's no answers left out or anything like. It's yeah,

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it's uh, it's a little bit sad actually the insignificance

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of that movie just in retrospective, but uh, I think

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there's yeah, there's a lot of good just build up

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stuff in this film moving forward in the MCU and uh,

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cas was great. Pew was just man like so fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Okay, don't spoil what happened.

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Speaker 1: It's not like Disney would hopefully advertise what's happening with

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that character. Uh. Yeah, No, it's funny if we're doing Goes.

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mister Muss, did you enjoy this war in Craven?

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Speaker 2: I did, and I you know, Craven's fine. It's a

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fine enough movie. I suppose. Yeah. Uh the Bolts where

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this this is like Thor's movie or Endgame, this is

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this is Tony's movie, and you know, this kind of

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this and this one's smaller than Avengers, of course, it's

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not gonna be like equitable between all the characters. And

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that's fine because if it was like evenly spliced between

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all of them, then you would just get like half

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step growth for each of them, and we wouldn't really

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get that far. But it's better to you know, focus

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them them time to shine. And for me, this was

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Elaine's movie, This was Florence Pugh's movie, and I could

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not be happier about that. You know, I didn't really

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know what to expect from this. It seemed like, you know,

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she's front and center on the poster, which you can

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like connections that she made has with you know, a

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and Florence Pugh is obviously just outstanding actress and she's

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nail all that. She goes to some I don't know,

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darker or more like personal places that we don't often

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would be, to Kirklin's point, like a ragtag maybe more silly,

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silly movie, you know, less serious, less meaningful in the

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bothered by. It's more just like in hindsight, I'm trying

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to piece the puzzles together and they don't fit quite right.

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like ninety five percent of it really landed, which for

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an MCU movie, that's like a really high ratio. And

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there are a lot of swings in here, and you

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stuff like not a Red Guardian fan. I don't like

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this kind of humor, but you know what, he worked

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it is intentional that he's an annoying character. But I

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action's like really great in this movie. You know, we

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of this movie that makes it really exciting for the

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really enjoyed this movie. It's not perfect. There's just so

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under baked, but like, honestly, I don't really have any

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car like Caramels. Every Marvel comic con we do a

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cheap plug for July when that happens. I remember it

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was announced and I think we were there, Taylor and

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this ross. This fucking sucks, like all the powers and whatnot.

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cast a couple of weeks ago, I just remember being like, yeah, like,

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Dylan talked about like I always say, like she is.

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the ranking wise, but in the world she's up there,

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and she's one thing that even if this movie was

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Craven Morbius level, she could carry a great performance out

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of it, right where maybe you know, some of those

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getting there. So I sat down, Ye I got seventy

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these two gentlemen right here, because this was a fucking

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fantastic time. I don't believe in the you know, like

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it's a meme, right the ms us back. We see

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since No Way Home, that happened, right, And then every

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to course correct and that's where it's funny creaking you're

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talking about Captain America. That's where you can see a

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it feels like we'll talk of the n Chris, but

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to what we're getting definitely feels like when the strike

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but they were working and they were going, yeah, we

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really got to fix some shit here. And I'm not

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saying with Captain America they fixed it. I think that

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was an attempt to try and fix it. We talked

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about how choppy that movie was, right, but I think

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the strike, and it's one of these things that it

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had time to settle on. I'm hoping, as I'm somebody

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always as Avengers as fucked. I'm really hoping between Daredevil

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and this shows hey, they can kind of course correct.

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that's his own separate beast, you know, Like I feel like,

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even if I he was involved, I would have trust

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Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynels to make a great combo movie,

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right cut Figy of course green lit it. But this

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for me is a much bigger win. And even with

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like cap it's like, okay, that's a past dared Devil.

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It's like, Okay, there's some great stuff here, maybe season two.

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that is just start to finish in the MCU, Like,

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oh man, this is just a great time. It works

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the third act. I can't wait to talk about just

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incredible stuff. When the MCU has had so many ship

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end of the World like blaw third acts that really

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mean nothing, Like can you guys, I guess, like, what's

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the third act of Captain America?

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Speaker 3: They get the red guy?

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about it there, right, and it's okay, he's gonna and

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I like that battle.

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Speaker 2: To leader, he's a yeah, leaders walking around, He's like zapping.

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to wait till I don't know when this will be.

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five to me. Reminds me of Civil War, where it's like, Okay,

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yes there's fighting, but it's in a much different context.

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the scene. It is the characters motivations, their emotions driving

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the scene. And that Civil War, right, that is, Tony

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finds out that Bucky killed his mom and dad, and

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now it's happened. Tony in a fight for Bucky's life,

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and there's all these dynamics, right, and this doesn't have

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the weight of that, but it's in a similar ilk

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the team dynamics were great, the chemistry was great. I

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think this I wish this movie was longer. I think

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we're missing out on a few more scenes of the

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team together. I think it is comparable, and I think

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people are right when people compare this to like this

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is if you have the Infinity saga and the Multiverse saga.

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is a bunch of ragtape people, but it works most

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of the jokes. I think I agree Dell, and I'm

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in the ninety five percent. My theater was loved the

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whole time, So for me, I think you could have

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used a little more because with Guardians it was also

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just like two hours, same run time. But the thing is,

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this one's introducing a lot more characters and just a

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lot more things because Doomsday is right around the corner

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right where Guardians is really just hey, it's a solo ventresce.

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two twenty five because there's just certain scenes where there's

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a scene of because it was a scene where it's

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John Walker, y Elena and Ghosts, they're just around talking.

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It's like, oh, I could use even more of this

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in a good way. Right if it felt like The

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Three Spider Mans where it's like all this stuff is

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all working, it just feels like cause they've been promoting

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this movie and you can see it. It just feels

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like these actors, whether it's true or they're just great actors,

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feels like there's a genuine connection here right where I

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feel like there's so many times we've seen team ups

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where people put together it's like, ah, this isn't really working.

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And my last week before we get into spoilers is

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like Captain America or I think some other projects from

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adult problems, but it's really just surface level, like a

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couple lines are given to it and that's it. This

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feels like it's actually more again in the Wanta vision Elko,

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like it's dealing with mental health and depression and even

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like suicidal thoughts in a very superhero round about way

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where it's not gonna look at you and say hey, kids,

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like get some help call this line, but it means something.

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Black Panther the way it tackled like racism and colonization

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all that stuff. But I think it's like just a

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couple tears low that which is great because like look

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at Captain America, they try and do the whole like

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Bucky comes and makes a speech about like, yeah, you

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know you gotta black man. Being cap is tough, you know,

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and then like Bucky leaves you know whatever frame and

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they have one scene where Isaiah says something and then

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Isaiah's locked away for a whole movie. Right, So I

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feel like, and there's other projects like that where this

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really dives into that aspect, And yeah, this is a

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movie I think for multiple reasons, we're gonna spoilers. I

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get we had COVID, I get we had the strike.

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This should have been way way earlier, in my opinion,

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we should have Thunderbolts too. By now. I think even

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stuff like Julie Luise Dreyfus, who's a great actress, I've

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not cared about the vow character at all up until now,

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and this movie is like, oh, I'm actually not invested

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where I need a Vowel show or a TV show

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or a movie. But it's just like, oh, I would

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like to see this character again. The movations make a

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bit more sense here, where the past like three years

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has just been her popping into a show for five

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minutes and that's all we get. Right, So this definitely

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feels like this should have been a like Phase five

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number one movie, like even earlier than that, because they

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know we had Black Widow. But there's no argument, right,

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because we had fucking Phase one had all Ironman thor

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Captain America, and then we got Avengers movie. Right, there's

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no reason you could have done Black Widow, felt win

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you Soldier and then right away do this movie. I

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think this movie should have came a lot early, especially

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for like task Master and Ghosts, like you think the

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GA remembers who ghost is probably not. But uh I

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this gives me great hope, and I really hope that

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I hope that I hope if I have issues with

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this movie, I think my other thing is some pacing.

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Sometimes it feels like we're going on like a slow

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back up and to a lot of speed and it

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doesn't feel like it's a natural shift. So it's not

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a perfect movie. But even if Avengers is around this quality,

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call me a pig and shit because like obviously we've

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gone a lot of iffy stuff the past couple of years,

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and no, this was great and it blew my expectations away,

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where like Cap was like, eh, I'm semi excited for

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this and like that was like, yeah, this is all

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right where this movie was going. In felt all right

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about it and it was fantastic. So h S Bubbs

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and the chat saying you love the third act and

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all the main crew had a great chemistry, and yeah,

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I agree. So yeah, it's gonna be a fun time

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and I'm very well. I was almost gonna say spoiler.

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We go S Bubbs and couple of the chat for

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spoilers right now of course. Yeah, if you're live, don't

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look in there, and we won't talk about that stuff

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too in spoilers, you know. And that's what we're gonna

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do right now, unless you guys have anything to say.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: No. I like the music. That was good song locks.

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I had some good music stuff in there. Great that

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we had the writers. Keep this team whatever you do, phase,

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whatever the next song is, director writers from Beef, keep

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this team around, whether it's Thunderbolts two or something like. Yeah,

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they got the juice here. So I want to say

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and stream, We're gonna take our first at.

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Speaker 4: For it twice. Now you've almost done. That's cool.

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Speaker 1: On this is the Twins, I play in the Twins.

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Speaker 2: Big red button looks too.

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Speaker 1: It is. It's like totally that button. But all right,

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to everybo about this movie. Can't wait to talk to

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she's gonna be like, there's gonna be a storm brew

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in that theater as a big Sebastian stan fan, because man,

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she is like he's looking alone. Yeah, there's that kitchen

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scene where he's in the tank. Top's like, man, he's

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looking good.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, in this movie, I'll say that.

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Speaker 1: But we'll wait. But the end credit hair that.

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Speaker 3: Was got like when it comes all sequence, all of.

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Speaker 2: Them except you know, maybe right Guardian Valentina knows how

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to recommend a haircut apparently exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we will get there. But yeah, go check

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that out and if not, just describe on video or audio.

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We very much appreciate it. We review all this type

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If you like this review and you're like, man, I

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hope they review, you know, we'll be around for Doomsday.

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We'll be there for all that. So yes, let's get

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Go check those out. So Thunderbolts, where did we even

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actually begin in this film? I'm trying to think.

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Speaker 2: You're laying on her little heist up on the rooftop,

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standing on the ledge.

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Speaker 1: Yes, which I'm gonna say this right away before I

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forget it, did you guys when you're watching it, catch

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like the the background void kills in the scene in

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that scene. Yeah, so later so later on when they're

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in like the big dream sequence thing and Ylane is like,

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I've been here before. When she's talking that scientist, it's

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all taped up. She's looking at the gerbil in the

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background on the wall, you can see the like the

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people that yeah, yeah, sorry, I don't know how to discribe.

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Speaker 2: I think even when she's up on the building roof,

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void floating there.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy but very nice to touch right away, so like, oh, okay,

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that that's cool and that's gonna come back later. So

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which I think this movie.

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Speaker 2: Which I wish I like. Obviously there was shown in

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the trailer and that's a cool thing to show because

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that shot looks great when it's just like the silhouette

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version and he's doing a little powers. But yeah, I

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think that, you know, it was almost like a precursor

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because we've seen the trailers. But if not, I'd be like,

471
00:20:53,079 --> 00:20:56,160
what the heck is going on in that room?

472
00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean I just want to shut that up.

473
00:20:58,599 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, just since you're talking about it, I feel like

474
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,440
all of the just the power set of what was

475
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,200
shown with Century in the Void was just outstanding. I Like, yeah,

476
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:12,839
we had seen people just turning into darkness in the trailers,

477
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,000
but to actually get it with like the audio effects

478
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,799
and even like before, he's really utilizing the power fully

479
00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:22,000
when they're having those little glimpses of like whether it's

480
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,519
like Elena and him like touching hands and then there's

481
00:21:25,559 --> 00:21:27,880
just like a little bit of darkness shadow like creeping in.

482
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,119
I thought all of that was just expertly done. And yeah,

483
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,440
just like the whole thing around this character of the

484
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,400
Century and being like the Villa or you know, the

485
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,519
opposing force for our heroes in this film, Like, I

486
00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:41,599
just think they tackle it in such a good way.

487
00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:45,720
For you have like a basically Superman power set, right,

488
00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:47,599
like how do you tackle those characters? So you enter

489
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,880
the psyche realm and I thought all that stuff was

490
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,799
super super fantastic. But yeah, definitely shout out of just

491
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,880
all of the effects on like how it's being utilized.

492
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 4: I think I had a little bit of.

493
00:21:59,799 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 3: Mike feelings around the character because I wanted to just

494
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,559
learn more about what the character even is, Like why

495
00:22:04,599 --> 00:22:06,279
is he the Century? Why is the void attached to

496
00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:09,079
this character? They they they throw in there that it's

497
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,880
he obviously is like a victim of abuse and like

498
00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:16,640
all of those things coming in so we're a math addict. Yeah,

499
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,759
I kind of forgot about that detail, but like it's

500
00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:22,519
it's just the way it's showcased in the film is

501
00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:25,720
that that void is kind of just coming from inside

502
00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:27,960
of him. But is that like is that just a

503
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,240
I don't know anything about the Century other than Marvel

504
00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:34,000
snap and this now and I yeah I knew ter.

505
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so I can't answer those, but I I

506
00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:40,240
don't know if it works say way in the comic books.

507
00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:42,079
I imagine it does, or it's just like you know,

508
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,799
comic book gibberish, But in here I took it when,

509
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,000
which I feel like we've gone this line so many

510
00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:49,279
times when I was like, you know, but the super

511
00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:52,880
Soldiers hereim Steve Rodgers, get Captain Erica Man. How many

512
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,880
comparisons have been made. But I think that's what they're

513
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,640
trying to show is the void just exists because he's

514
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,079
a broken person and he's like try to like dis

515
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,720
a show, disassociate himself from the pain. And I think

516
00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:06,119
that's what the void represents. So I feel like, sure,

517
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,960
that's like an OPI God to your power of like, man,

518
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,599
you just put some super so juice with some depression,

519
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,799
look what happens. But I think that that they're trying

520
00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:16,160
to stretch to is because he does suffer from this

521
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,759
mental state, it's created this dark realm, which is, you know,

522
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,079
not good for the other people.

523
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: That's definitely how I read it too. And on top

524
00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:25,519
of that, it's like, oh yeah, this he was not

525
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,039
like the finished product, right, Like he was still like

526
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,720
just one of the test subjects and so like this

527
00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:32,440
was not perfected. And you know, given that he's like

528
00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:35,720
a meth addict, Like there's clearly like a cocktail going

529
00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:37,720
on here that they probably weren't expecting, Like I don't

530
00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:40,079
think they were thoroughly vetting people, right, they were just

531
00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:41,799
it seems like they were maybe just taking anyone off

532
00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:43,839
the street. But I wonder if that was like part

533
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,960
of the idea, is that somehow the seium that they

534
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,279
were giving these test subjects was supposed to like enhance

535
00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:52,039
their features. So if you're like a good person, you

536
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,759
become like an all good person, you know, in that

537
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,000
godlike sort of way. But then when you have someone

538
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,319
who has this like deep depression of this dark side

539
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,400
of them, and how he talks about how it's something

540
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,319
that he like kind of comes back and forth from

541
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,640
where like he has a couple of good days and

542
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,400
he has like long stretches of bad days and then

543
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,519
he just forgets everything, and like, yeah, you know, you

544
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:09,000
catch them on like a bad day, you're gonna get

545
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,759
that too. But like the way I was reading it,

546
00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:13,160
and I think, you know why this movie is one

547
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,079
of the reasons it's so great, is like the similarities

548
00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:19,599
they're drawing between Elena and him, and then you know

549
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,079
the other characters have that too, but you get a

550
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,680
lot more depth of those two characters. But like the

551
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,880
way I read it is like, yeah, if you pump

552
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,000
that into Elena, like the very same thing would have happened.

553
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,559
Like I didn't see it as like some other worldly

554
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,680
like what is that from the from X Men animated show,

555
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,599
like the Shadow the Shadow King or something like. I

556
00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:37,160
don't think it's like a shadow King type entity, right, Like,

557
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,680
I think it is just that part of your humanity.

558
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,480
But when you, you know, put these insane level of

559
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:45,000
drugs and then it's like the science is not very good.

560
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,279
You come up with this like really messed up creation.

561
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,440
But to me, I was reading as like, yeah, other

562
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,119
people could have this void inside them too, And I

563
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,359
think Elena, you know, at the start of this movie

564
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,119
or like in her past also that would have happened

565
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,039
to her at that time, but maybe she's a bit

566
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,240
more well just so now if even if she's still

567
00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:02,119
kind of recovering.

568
00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's where I said the nonsplos, that's where

569
00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:09,359
it's literally an allegory for depression, but just using superhero jargon, right,

570
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,720
Like the void is literally just the way when he's like, oh,

571
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,240
I'll have a good day, but then like lots of

572
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,359
bad days, and Elena's expression both times when at first

573
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,839
it's like oh, just push it down. But then when

574
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,839
you go to full circle, like that's the wrong way

575
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:23,039
you need to let out talk about be with people,

576
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,640
And he's like, oh, is that gonna make go a way? No,

577
00:25:24,759 --> 00:25:27,680
but it's a little lighter and man, I like the

578
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,599
whole third act we talk I guess we can talk

579
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,039
about because kind of time with that. I I don't

580
00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:35,359
I know Dylan hasn't Kirkland. You never played Arkham Knight,

581
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,440
did you? I don't think I can't remember the third

582
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,759
one that's the third one played, but that it's not

583
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:43,599
the same like the Void everything, but that's the same

584
00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:45,839
thing where it's bad versus Joker, but it's just purely

585
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,279
mine mental stuff and it has that good combination of action,

586
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,559
thrill and horror. I loved everything about as far as

587
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,759
seeing like you know, Elena's whole journey. But again, the

588
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,640
last shot where you can literally look at it's like, Okay,

589
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,720
it's Bob about lose himself and they stop him from

590
00:26:01,759 --> 00:26:03,920
beating himself down. But it's not that. It's about these

591
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,720
people helping raise him up and be with him. Right,

592
00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:09,000
So it's like you look deeper into it, and I'm

593
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,680
not saying it's like a super cell move. I'm just

594
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,960
saying that if you're not watching out for you might

595
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,759
just go, oh, they stop Bob from committing act of murder.

596
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:17,519
It's like, no, it's not that it's all of them

597
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,000
because it's not like they're even holding him back. They're

598
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:22,160
hugging this dude, you know. It's it's not like a

599
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,960
like Civil War where they're trying to space apart. It's

600
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,440
and that's what I loved about it, And it just

601
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,160
felt like man, and it did like, you know, honestly

602
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,799
similar Guardians where they like, you know, grab hands and stuff.

603
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,440
But I think it did in a way where it

604
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,119
didn't feel like, oh, this is a rip off of

605
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,599
Guardians and they're trying to evoke that. It feels like

606
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,480
it is similar to that, but in a different version.

607
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:43,759
That was about a bunch of losers finding each other

608
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:45,400
and being like, oh, I could have some friends. This

609
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:47,640
is a bunch of people that have like the same

610
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,359
are similar afflictions, right because like you said, Don like

611
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,519
ghosts and John like we get some stuff, but we

612
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:57,160
know enough, Like Okay, Walker's clearly depressed and deflecting because

613
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,000
he lies about everything. And then once it's the Truce review,

614
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,400
he flips to be in a nice guy. Even Elan's like,

615
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,200
oh you're mister nice guy now. But the second everyone

616
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,200
knows about his wife and kid, his guard's completely down

617
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,480
and he is more like I can't remember something happens

618
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:14,559
to Red Guardian and he's like standing up for him

619
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,680
or he's trying to look out for me. I can't remember.

620
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,279
It's just super like and I get it because they're

621
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:20,079
both Discount Captain America's but it's.

622
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: Like Caleen is like shit talking all of them and

623
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,880
she's like we all suck, you all suck and then

624
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,319
yeah that's when and then she like lashes out.

625
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 4: It's like my wife and kids, they don't like you.

626
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,720
It's like Jesus Christ.

627
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, John Walker there is like a good guy there,

628
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,000
but he's a similar thing of like there's some PTSD

629
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:41,039
and some other stuff, so he is that you know

630
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:42,119
void per se.

631
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think like that that you know, coming

632
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,119
into this movie, even beforehand, it's like how these guys

633
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,480
can't possibly fight him in a one on one or

634
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,160
even you know where it's five six on one fight,

635
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,039
Like they're just not powerful if no one, like you know,

636
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:58,200
even the Vengers aren't powerful enough according to Valentine, I'm

637
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,839
sure they would find a way if they tried hard enough. Yeah,

638
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:02,559
but you know they're not powerful enough, so they have

639
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:05,960
to like dig into something else. And obviously Elena, through

640
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:08,079
those like dynamically had with him, was able to kind

641
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:09,599
of get a read on how he is as a person,

642
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:11,319
and they shared some of that stuff like way back

643
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,759
when they first recovered and like got it blasted through

644
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:15,680
the you know, when they were trying to get when

645
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:17,559
Valentino was trying to kill them in that room, and

646
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:20,039
then like we're sharing that dream that void space together.

647
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:21,599
So obviously, like all the way back then they were

648
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,920
kind of building those connections. But I think that's like

649
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000
such a that's such a great arc for her as

650
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,960
a character. Who's this character who just has such a

651
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,039
troubled past. It's kind of like lost her humanity, you know,

652
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:34,079
obviously has gone through a lot of these depressive spells

653
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:36,200
as well. And then like it's great that Red Guardian

654
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,359
Alexa was able to like pull some of that out

655
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:41,519
of her where he's like, oh, you were like as

656
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:44,680
a kid, you were such a bright, positive, fun person

657
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,079
to be around, and then like you know, just life,

658
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,759
you know, putting getting put through the Red Room and

659
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:52,759
all that terrible training, losing your sister, all these things

660
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:54,880
have like brought these things out of you. But like,

661
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,839
deep down you are this person. You have this humanity,

662
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,519
this positive force, and you got to bring it out.

663
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:01,640
The fact that she was able to like use that

664
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,119
as the tool to get him back was really great.

665
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,200
And you know, no one else really gets like we

666
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:08,720
kind of sort of get that arc with them, Like

667
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:10,480
it's almost like assumed that the rest of them are

668
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,480
having the same arc as well, because like even when

669
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,839
they're in the dream void space, like they all like

670
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,200
went through their different stuff and they're like, yeah, it

671
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:18,880
was kind of like this, but like we don't actually

672
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,039
get a scene of like what John Walker's rooms look like.

673
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:23,960
All we saw, you know, one of his with like

674
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,000
this family.

675
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: All timerligne from Bucky though, like oh yeah, I got

676
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,799
no bad memories. I was completely fine. Yeah, like yeah,

677
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,160
this is probably the worst out of like I'm not

678
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,720
saying again bet as a child's dad, but like Bucky

679
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,240
was forced to kill hundreds of innocent people. You know,

680
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,680
he's he's back talking about Civil War. He's back there

681
00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:42,839
right now in that movie. He's see he's seeing Stephen

682
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,400
Tony fight over his arm and stuff.

683
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just it's just so great that, you know,

684
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,440
we're so deep in the MCU now that like, yeah,

685
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:52,519
the final fight does not need to end with some

686
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,000
big heroic victory where we kill the enemy. Like it

687
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:57,079
can just be a deeply emotional thing and there is

688
00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:59,039
still action around it. There's still like high octane and

689
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,960
they're like getting blasted back with steel and like they're

690
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240
flying through walls and all this stuff. But there's a

691
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,960
lot more to it, and like there's just so many

692
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,559
great dynamics of like that whole void sequence and like

693
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,599
the use of mirrors and not being like the doorway,

694
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,680
and like the kind of reflection of looking at yourself

695
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,519
and considering yourself and who you are. I just feel like,

696
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:16,640
god damn, there's so much a good imagery in there

697
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,319
as well, just such a freaking great sequence.

698
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,839
Speaker 1: And you're gonna remember that way more than if they

699
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,000
just fought Sentry and beat them, you know, like and

700
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:24,440
I'm not.

701
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: Saying you got that too, Like you got that sin

702
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:28,519
and they all get messed up and you still get

703
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:29,240
like ten minutes of.

704
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,559
Speaker 1: That and like, again I'm not saying you can't have that.

705
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:33,599
I've always said, just like lead that for the like

706
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,240
that's what I expect for Doomsday. I expect the Avengers

707
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:38,599
versus Doom, big fight, you know. But when these like

708
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,799
it's not a solo movie, but like in these movies

709
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:42,839
that aren't the main events, that's when you can like

710
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,200
experiment do something different, because I feel like people will

711
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,079
remember talk about this end or the third act way

712
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:51,839
more than over half of the MCU because it is

713
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,799
just big being the sky, big CGI guy. We gotta

714
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:56,599
find a way to punch him harder, and we do,

715
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:57,920
you know, congrats.

716
00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: So I will say to Kirkling, You're point, like I

717
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,599
did want maybe a little bit more of some of

718
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,759
Bob's backstory, like seeing like like seeing more of it, right,

719
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:08,400
I'm just being told about a lot of it. Now

720
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,200
I can, like I totally understand the motivation in the

721
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:13,480
arc of the character, like enough of it is implied

722
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:15,079
that I can pick up on it. But like, yeah,

723
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:17,640
we got that one scene when he's like Rubuscuban on

724
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,319
the ground, He's like looking through the floorboards and we

725
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:20,759
can kind of get a shot there and then he

726
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,519
shares like a little bit of information. But for like

727
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,039
the first half of this movie, he's like really guarded

728
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:27,400
not sharing any information. Whether he actually can't remember or

729
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,680
he's just choosing not to share it. It's probably a

730
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,599
little bit of both, because he's waking up from who

731
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,279
knows how long he's been inside that like cryotube thing.

732
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:36,720
But I, yeah, I don't know if I wanted like

733
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,400
super depressing scenes with like more of this abuse or

734
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,720
drug abuse or anything like. I don't know what it

735
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,559
would be if you'd need to implem more characters than

736
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:45,160
they don't want to cast more people. I'm not sure

737
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,160
what it is, but I do think one or two

738
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,160
more scenes there, because Travis, to your point two, like

739
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,039
I think we could use a couple more scenes here,

740
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:52,319
or we could have cut back on a couple of

741
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:54,200
other things, which you can talk about later. But yeah,

742
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,960
I think I wanted maybe a little bit more of

743
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:58,480
his backstorre. Once again, it all makes sense, but I

744
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,480
think a little bit more visual of it could have been.

745
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm I'm right there with you. I I

746
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:07,440
think just I I'm completely in the camp. I think

747
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,480
this could have been a longer film because I wanted

748
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,000
more scenes with John Walker, and like I feel like, yeah,

749
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,680
we got a quick glimpse of him and like his

750
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:18,359
daughter and his wife in that moment, which was like

751
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,680
a powerful scene, like it really just made you feel awful,

752
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,039
like especially through his eyes. But it just seemed like

753
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:27,759
we like scratch the surface there and we just never

754
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:31,160
really go back to that. And each character has their

755
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,039
own type of like I could have gotten a Red

756
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,720
Guardian like flashback of something that he like really regretted,

757
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:39,160
right like, And of course there's BUCkies, who was probably

758
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,720
the worst room out of out of all of them.

759
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,599
So I definitely at least that we've seen, you know, yeah,

760
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:48,480
fair enough. I I just would have appreciated that a

761
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:51,680
lot more to add to the overall We're all like,

762
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,799
we've all gone through these these moments, and I think

763
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:55,960
it would have just added a little bit more to

764
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,000
that moment when they're bringing Bob back from the void.

765
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,880
But it it still worked, but I think it just

766
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,200
it could have been a little bit better, you know,

767
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:08,720
the classic uh Waterwoman eighty four Pedro Lane, Yeah.

768
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:11,119
Speaker 1: Like even Ghost you know, it's like I guess since

769
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,640
ant Man two or uh yeah no, yeah, am Manto,

770
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,720
she's just been a contracted killer. But it's just like

771
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,359
and I'm not saying that's not bad, but she also

772
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,400
like chose to do like there's I just I guess

773
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,440
I just don't know the trajectory like a man two

774
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:26,279
she gets out of there. I don't think there's anything

775
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,559
that she had to be a criminal, like she was

776
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:31,160
the humanizer in the way that she was in the

777
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,559
tube and all that stuff or whatever lived like grew

778
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,319
up in a laboratory. So and yeah, just even some

779
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:39,559
stuff like I was hoping to get just just a

780
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:41,680
few I know, I don't want to be like a

781
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:47,480
callback movie, but like Bucky, Bucky fucking shot Natasha. Like

782
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,759
they didn't talk once about Natasha with Yolayna really, you know,

783
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,440
like her Red Guardian did And that makes sense right

784
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:56,240
like father daughter connection. But I was kind of hoping

785
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,480
when her because this is what what was weird is

786
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:02,640
the way Ylena was talking to Bucky felt like they

787
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,319
had met before and not that this was the first time.

788
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:07,880
And I want a little more newness to this as

789
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,079
far as like, hey, this is a big deal, like Bucky,

790
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,599
someone that did like sure was the red who's the

791
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,400
Winter Soldier, but like they fought side by side. They

792
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,159
also fond a couple movies like there's some history there.

793
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,679
I like the ones saying we got a Red Guardian

794
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,480
and Winter Soldier, But again, I think we could have

795
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:24,519
used more of those, and I don't think that would

796
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:27,519
have hurt the movie of more stuff of backstories, because

797
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:29,880
the same thing, like, so does John Walker? Did he

798
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,760
get his wife and kid back? You know? Like, I

799
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,159
don't think we're gonna pause in Doom's day to answer

800
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,480
that question. I could be wrong. Maybe we pick up

801
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,920
and he's at home and he picks on the phonies

802
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,119
with this kid, right, but I would have liked to

803
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,599
have seen that. My fingers crossed, because who knows how

804
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:46,880
this is gonna do. My fingers crossed is that we

805
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,119
do get a Thunderbolts too, and we can spend more

806
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,559
time and like, sure he could add some people too,

807
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,400
but I really don't like maybe one new member, but

808
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,280
I don't really want that because I feel like there's

809
00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:59,000
I'm not saying they didn't completely scratch the surface with this,

810
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:01,199
but I feel like there's stuff they left on the

811
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,079
table that could have even been in this movie, which

812
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:04,480
I think they should do because you never know what

813
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:06,559
if this movie makes two dollars and we never see

814
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,760
the thunderbolts again, and it's like, oh, that was our

815
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,880
one shot, you know, because even with Guardians, it felt like, oh,

816
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,199
there's more ventures. But it felt like after Guardians won, okay,

817
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,199
I got a sense of all these people, and I've

818
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:21,079
seen Rocket interact with everybody. I've seen interact with everybody,

819
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:24,159
where this still felt like there's lots of stuff on

820
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,480
the table in a negative way, not a huge negative way,

821
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:29,800
but just in things that feel a little empty, and

822
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,039
like I said, some of that pacing where it just

823
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:33,920
feels like we kind of jump very quickly to set

824
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,039
up stuff like we're not gonna get there yet because

825
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:38,039
the end Chris, but just stuff like the huge thing

826
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:41,039
happens in Valatina has the whole press behind like a

827
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:43,840
fucking curtain, and it's like this feels weird, like why

828
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,440
is no one like what did I just go? All

829
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,800
these people are on the void? Why aren't they freaking out?

830
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,960
Why is it like like they would have had these

831
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,519
experiences right that they're seeing bad shit in their life.

832
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,199
I imagine it just feels weird that literally five seconds

833
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:56,880
I was like no, no, no, get the cameras and like

834
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,320
we're gonna beat you up, like here they are. It's

835
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,599
just like, oh, like there's no other way you could

836
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:03,519
have done the scene, like the next day or something.

837
00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:05,719
So there's multiple kind of cuts in the movie that

838
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,119
fuel that they they were just rushing a bit. So

839
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:09,639
mm hmm.

840
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,039
Speaker 2: And yeah, I to see more on Ghost a little

841
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:14,960
bit because unfortunately I don't think there's like much to

842
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,239
say about her, you know, just wanting to have her back.

843
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,159
I think the actress does a good job, but yeah,

844
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:21,519
I think we could have used a scene or two

845
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:25,519
and like, once again, you can't you know, the more

846
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:27,519
you add like every character if you flush them out

847
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,199
as much as like Elena or Bob, like your movie's

848
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,360
gonna be like four hours long, which we wouldn't want.

849
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:35,000
Maybe we would want that, but not everyone would want that.

850
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,639
Speaker 1: Release the Bolts cut.

851
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:38,639
Speaker 2: But yeah, I feel like I feel like I need

852
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:40,639
a little bit more, whether that's like filling in the

853
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:42,800
gaps a little bit, seeing like a little bit more dynamic,

854
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,159
because yeah, we know that she was like a test subject,

855
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:46,719
and we know that she was pretty much being like

856
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:49,880
just physically tortured by her own body for years and years,

857
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,480
so we can like understand where this stuff is coming from.

858
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:53,960
But I think a little bit more of like what

859
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,760
she's been doing since then orright, it was like I

860
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,039
was a bit surprised at like was that a super

861
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,360
public event? Some of the things in that too, like

862
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,800
everyone knew who she was and like I was kind

863
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,079
of surprised about that as well.

864
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess it has been like six seven

865
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:09,480
years since then, like an MCU time, right, because the

866
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:12,239
endgame five year jump. So I guess like it's just

867
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,920
known that she's a assassin hit man person like she's been.

868
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,199
I guess she's been operating for almost a deck, Like

869
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:21,760
I said, seven years, three years, shy of a decade,

870
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,239
but again, there'd be it'd be nice to have some

871
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,920
That's why I just wish again this movie was earlier,

872
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,760
because if this movie happened relatively right after him and

873
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,599
be like, Okay, well, actually, I guess I wouldn't answer

874
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:34,400
your question Dylan with like how would they know her?

875
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,639
Speaker 2: So I mean, yeah, like it's I can, you know,

876
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,400
piece together enough and it's not like a huge leap

877
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,199
of logic to try and understand that, But it's just

878
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,920
something I would like to see, and that's you know,

879
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,679
that's like good grounds for a sequel thing, like maybe

880
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:48,199
she could really step up and be a bigger part

881
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,679
of it of a sequel if we get that and

882
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:52,159
focus more on her character. And I would be down

883
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:54,159
for that because I think she does a good job.

884
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

885
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:59,599
Speaker 3: Oh, my interest definitely peaked on the ghost character. I

886
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,639
I it's been a long time, you know, coming, but

887
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,880
I finally care about this character. I also had no idea.

888
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,599
Her name was Ava star Star with two RS, which

889
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,800
I feel like is borderlining, like a little bit of

890
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,519
a porn star name.

891
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:16,639
Speaker 1: It's a porn for sure. Search a star right now

892
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:18,800
in X videos and see what comes up. I won't

893
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,360
screen share.

894
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 3: It could be like Thunderbolts trailer. Yeah, but no, I

895
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:28,880
I I thought just showcasing like her, her power, like

896
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,800
her kit. I guess here was just it was just

897
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:32,559
pretty badass.

898
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:33,039
Speaker 4: And I don't know.

899
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:35,079
Speaker 3: It was just she had good chemistry, like I like

900
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,880
the back and forth that she had with everyone was an.

901
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: A right, yea, yeah, there's an Ava Rachel Star.

902
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,559
Speaker 3: So there you go, shouts out to her.

903
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, go check her out.

904
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:49,039
Speaker 2: I wonder if she can go invisible to.

905
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,199
Speaker 1: Support the sex workers while she should do a parody

906
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:54,400
of Thunderbolts. Perfect casting right there.

907
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,119
Speaker 3: Right there, right off the success title exactly.

908
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:03,079
Speaker 1: I should I picked the wrong industry. God.

909
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:06,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the the chemistry because you know, going back

910
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:09,360
to Hawkeye of all things, like we everyone loved Elena

911
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,559
and Kate Bishop like that duo. The chemistry is so

912
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:15,039
much fun. These two girls just like really great dynamic together.

913
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,239
And I feel like Ghost definitely picked up that slack

914
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,159
and that was my favorite stuff, even if that wasn't

915
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:21,559
like super deep character backstory stuff, but the two of

916
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:23,559
them and how they kind of like butted up and

917
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,000
were like picking on John Walker, like like tell tell

918
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:29,400
us about your your helmet or your hat and or yeah,

919
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,079
tell us about your hat and he's like, you mean

920
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:33,599
you mean my helmet and you think it's good, right,

921
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:36,440
Oh you think so? Yeah, that's great, or like talking

922
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,320
about like his gun and like I don't know, just

923
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,800
like little barrel.

924
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: Right, like just.

925
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: So sarcastic, and he's like not able to pick up

926
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,079
on a lot of it. But I think those two

927
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:48,360
had like a particularly fun dynamic together.

928
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: And this is why too, because when they did the

929
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,400
whole chairs thing and everyone's mad about all these names

930
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,880
still being alive, right, except one we'll get there. But

931
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,159
I was like, oh, they're probably doing that because like

932
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,760
I bet Red Guardian Ghost, they're probably gonna eat it

933
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,840
in Doomsday. Now, I really don't want that to happen.

934
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,559
I hope they get like snap killed or taken off

935
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,159
the board, but I hope my prediction was wrong that

936
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:12,840
oh we're gonna lose. They established the Thunderbolts so we

937
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,599
could lose them in Doomsday. And I really don't even

938
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:18,360
John Walker like, and I continue to love John Walker.

939
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,599
I watched Falcon Were Soldier like for Cap. But man,

940
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,719
this is good because like the first like the first act, Okay,

941
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,800
in the show he is an asshole, but the first

942
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,280
act he's like mega asshole. He's never that way in

943
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,400
the show. He's the guy like things go over his head,

944
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,800
he says some stuff out of context that doesn't sound good,

945
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,800
but like he's trying to do well. But the first

946
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,960
act's like, no, this guy is like piece of shit

947
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000
type of villain. But then you can see why again,

948
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,880
like we talked about earlier, he's just kind of deflecting

949
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,239
and he just he just feels bad about everything. He's

950
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,599
just there, Yeah, exactly right, because everyone just looks at

951
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:52,559
him like worse than Red Guardian as far as like, well,

952
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,039
unfortunate for a Guardian. Half the people don't know who

953
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:56,599
he is, and a good in a good way, like

954
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,440
when in val it's like who are you? He's like

955
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:03,119
the red already and she looks legimly is just so confused.

956
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,639
Good job on Dreyfus there, But yeah, so that's just

957
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:10,000
my point. I really hope that they don't just kill

958
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,880
off these people, like I do want to see more

959
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,239
of the team and I'm I am worried, come next me.

960
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,199
Speaker 3: One of those goos, I would say one of them.

961
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,559
Speaker 2: For sure, it goes to Red Guardian because Red Guardian

962
00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:25,159
making a sacrifice for the team.

963
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:28,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see John Walker thing happening, but I

964
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,239
I would I would only want that if we get

965
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,239
like a follow up with his family, like I would.

966
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,159
I would like to be like at the funeral, it's

967
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,360
they do too late.

968
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 4: That'd be so sad.

969
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: They do the Tony funeral from endgame, but it's for

970
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,760
John Walker and all the heroes are standing there and

971
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,000
like hath them don't know who John Walker is. He

972
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:48,320
brings Steve back. But that's what I really fucking want man,

973
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,400
I want Rod, I want I've always pitched this old

974
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,000
man Steve to go through the time machine and be

975
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,360
young again. And I need a scene of Steve Rogers

976
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,679
and John Walker. I fucking want that so bad now,

977
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,199
especially because he's more on the hero side. But and yeah,

978
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:04,320
I didn't, like you said on spoilers, I was really

979
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,760
worried about Red Guardian, and I think just Red Guardian

980
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,679
works better in live action when David Hater who is

981
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:12,199
David Hater?

982
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:17,159
Speaker 2: Who the David Hater is a guy for sure, So

983
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,639
David Harber isn't Isn't David Hater like the voice of

984
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:22,679
Solid Snake or something?

985
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:26,159
Speaker 1: Wow? I don't know, like it would make sense because

986
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:27,559
I played that game a bunch of as kid, But

987
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:28,480
that just doesn't.

988
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: Sound David Hayter is the voice of Salid Snakes.

989
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,039
Speaker 1: Okay, so there you go. My something was baked in

990
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,519
my mind. So good job. So David Harbor, shout it,

991
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:38,360
David Hater. That great voice. Dave Harbor. Though Red Guardian

992
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,320
for me, just works so much better in live action

993
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,360
because I feel like Harbor can bring the nuance to

994
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,800
that character that lot like the animation stuff We talked

995
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,079
about and what if and other stuff you just you

996
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,880
just can't and he does get to the point of

997
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,880
being too annoying. And not that the what if writing

998
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,199
is the best, right, but this reminded me of oh yeah,

999
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,760
I did love him in Black Widow, where stuff like

1000
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,880
when we got Korg again in Love and Thunder, it

1001
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,960
was like, oh yeah, I don't want any more Cork,

1002
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,960
Like I'm good of Doom like kills Cork right away, right,

1003
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:08,159
But with this, I was like, no, I do like

1004
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,840
his relationship with Elena, and I do like Harbor in

1005
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,679
this role, especially that scene when he does give this speech, Dylan,

1006
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:15,760
your tell about the light thing, like that was so

1007
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:17,960
good by Harbor of just like when she's like, my

1008
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:20,679
first mission was killing a kid and he's like he's like, oh,

1009
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,719
I know, because he like, he didn't select them for

1010
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,840
that program, but he didn't not help them, right, like

1011
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:27,960
fuck those kids up because he was there to train

1012
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:29,639
them to be assassins, right, and he just thought he

1013
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,400
was doing good for his country. But you can just

1014
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,559
see the regret on his face when she's talking about

1015
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,880
having to have another killed, another kid killed, and it's

1016
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,599
just that scene was fantastic, And again even the beginning,

1017
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:44,079
the humor was working there for me. So yeah, Red

1018
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,599
Guardian back in my good books, and I'm happy because

1019
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,800
for a while I was like, Oh, this is gonna

1020
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,320
be the tipping point where it's like I don't need

1021
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,119
to see like kay Downy Doom just destroy Red Guardian

1022
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:56,840
from everybody. Now. It's like and even in the car

1023
00:43:57,039 --> 00:43:58,400
we saw something on the trailer, but he's just like,

1024
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:00,400
we could be a team on the wee box. That

1025
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,199
works so much better in the movie than it did

1026
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:04,280
in the trailer. In the trailer, it's like this feels

1027
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,320
so forced, and I get what they're going for. But

1028
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,159
every time when like Bucky's about to say something and

1029
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:12,880
Ghosts like what does that mean, He's like gory, Like

1030
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,880
it's just like he's so forcing the team dynamic. It's

1031
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:19,960
it's fucking so well done all around writing and his acting.

1032
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, the line that was just shown so much in

1033
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,760
the trailers was when him and Bucky are driving's like,

1034
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,760
what type of superhero seom did you get?

1035
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 4: These? Like a hydra?

1036
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: Like I've seen that scene so many times, but in

1037
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,840
this like element of sitting down in the theater, man,

1038
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,320
I that sequence got me. It got me going good.

1039
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,239
And then the other one that really got me was, uh,

1040
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,679
He's like, don't drink out the big gulp.

1041
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 4: It's just this mysterious bottle.

1042
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 3: On the floor of his limo, Like I don't even

1043
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,360
want to know which is.

1044
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: A clean shot. And then they pan up the ghosts

1045
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
and Walker and they're just like, oh god.

1046
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,199
Speaker 2: You know it's good random fun fact. So David Hayry,

1047
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,519
once again the voice of Snake, also the writer of

1048
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,400
X X men and X Men and X two. Isn't

1049
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,440
that crazy? What the voice actor of Solid Snake is

1050
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:07,519
the writer for X Men and X two.

1051
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,599
Speaker 1: The games are the movies the movies. That makes no

1052
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:12,559
fucking sense.

1053
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: I'm IMDb could be wrong. Maybe there's multiple writers on

1054
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,840
X Men, but that's what That's what I'm looking at

1055
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:20,239
right now.

1056
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 3: That's what a career shift. That's impressive.

1057
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be wild.

1058
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,079
Speaker 2: My goodness, writer watchman. Okay, now this is getting out

1059
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:30,400
of hand.

1060
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: No, it's it's there. He also wrote The Scorpion King

1061
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:35,519
with the Rocks.

1062
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: He directed a couple of movies as well.

1063
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: Are you sure it's like this is the Snake guy though?

1064
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:45,000
That's what I think I'm.

1065
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:48,119
Speaker 2: Is it? Yeah?

1066
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,639
Speaker 3: That's crazy. That is that is something that we wouldn't

1067
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:54,960
have if Travis didn't just randomly drop that name.

1068
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:56,039
Speaker 2: That's a good trivia.

1069
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: At some point, he's best known for Snake. That is fun.

1070
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:01,840
What a what a career. You got to write some.

1071
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,559
Speaker 2: Super cool movies and that's the most iconic video game characters.

1072
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, good, good for man. They should get an

1073
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:09,880
MCU hell yeah.

1074
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I think my last thought on Red

1075
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,760
Guardian is like, you know, even back to like the

1076
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,519
start of this movie, he's in his apartment, he's watching

1077
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:21,360
like the good old Days videos all this stuff, and

1078
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:24,119
he has that yeah are you are you fulfilled right now?

1079
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,119
I'm full? I'm filled, which I love that line. But

1080
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,360
then it's like, yeah, by the end of the movie, okay,

1081
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:31,880
you have the post post credit, the lady doesn't recognize

1082
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,119
him at the store, but like he's say, well he

1083
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,239
first he saved a girl and then she got fucking

1084
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,239
vank quished, And I was like.

1085
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,679
Speaker 1: Holy, just huge gaps in my theater when that happened,

1086
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:43,079
because I think at that point we didn't know they

1087
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:44,880
were still live, so it's like they just killed a

1088
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:45,519
fucking kid.

1089
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: It was like the second kid in this movie, by

1090
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,880
the way, because another one in the in the Forest

1091
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,880
as well. But yeah, then like he gets that moment,

1092
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,519
he gets to be a bit of a hero. And yeah,

1093
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:57,599
he's maybe not you know, on the same fame level

1094
00:46:57,639 --> 00:46:59,960
as some of these other characters, but like he's building

1095
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:01,679
up towards that, and he might get And that's where

1096
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:04,360
I'm feeling like it actually could be a good way

1097
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,519
to like close out Avengers if he does like some

1098
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:09,320
big sacrifice for Elena, you know, specifically something like that.

1099
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,719
But yeah, I was surprised at how much I enjoyed

1100
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,199
his humor.

1101
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:14,519
Speaker 1: It worked for me.

1102
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: Of course he is obnoxious. He he is annoying. Uh,

1103
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:19,199
but you know, I also I think that once again

1104
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,639
it's just like lens to why everyone else was so

1105
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,960
good here, especially Elena and just kind of the classic

1106
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:27,800
like annoyed at her dad kind of reactions, like when

1107
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,599
they're when they're crawling in the sand and they see

1108
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:31,679
the limo and like her face the way she's looking

1109
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,280
away just so good. So obviously like Florence p once again,

1110
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,360
just you know, rises all tides kind of thing. Or yeah,

1111
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,519
so I just I enjoyed his uh contribution here.

1112
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: Your father Yolena, it's your father, like all this stuff

1113
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,800
like like who is this guy? Yeah, again, that's somewhere

1114
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,119
if I was on trailers on paper like all this

1115
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,360
might not work. But yeah, that sand calling scene was great.

1116
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,679
It's like how do you find the specifically? Who knows?

1117
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,440
But I just throw that off the side, you know.

1118
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,679
Speaker 2: Yeah that that that was the only thing I didn't

1119
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,280
love that he just was the limo driver for Valentina

1120
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,199
on that one night and then like heard all this stuff.

1121
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,760
Was like, Okay, that's a that's a little goofy. I

1122
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,639
feel like I would be surprised if Valentine uses random

1123
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:15,199
limo surfaces. I feel like she would have her own crew,

1124
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,760
consider she has like a huge militia, Like shouldn't she

1125
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,079
have her own cru It's like that guy and not

1126
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:22,119
to spoil an episode of Daredevil, but like the chief

1127
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,159
the police commissioner who uses like you know, a random

1128
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,519
guy who's like corrupt him.

1129
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, as like his driver and like she's talking about

1130
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,800
classified stuff that could send her to prison. You know

1131
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,039
that's the thing too or I and I said that

1132
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:36,199
in the Nonspers. I think this movie does that a lot,

1133
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,960
where it's like how do we get there. We just

1134
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,719
get there and it's like okay. And it's because the

1135
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,599
character and the emotional stuff is so good you throw

1136
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:44,880
it aside. But in a weaker movie, because I feel

1137
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,880
like that happened in Captain America too, where some stuff

1138
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,119
would just happen and you just go okay. I guess

1139
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,360
that's the case, and I think that happens quite a

1140
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,599
few times in this movie. I think when I rewatch,

1141
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:58,039
like even stuff with like pullman's up there, they kill them,

1142
00:48:58,079 --> 00:48:59,519
all right, let's walk away from the spot. I send

1143
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,480
up the crew. It's like really and then like literally

1144
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:04,039
it's been twenty seconds and she's like the cleanup crew

1145
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,519
since there's no body, it's like what like this Like

1146
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:08,880
that's where it feels like this is chopped to shit,

1147
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:11,320
Like I don't know why. So there's multiple times in

1148
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,280
this movie where it's like you it's like when you

1149
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,000
replay a video game and you hit skip cut scene.

1150
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,519
That's what happens in this movie. You know a handful

1151
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:20,079
of times.

1152
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, never skip a cut scene with David Hayer though,

1153
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,239
because his voice foreso yeah, I know, it's it's like,

1154
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,400
you're right, there are those moments. However, compared to like

1155
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:31,239
other recent MCU stuff like Dareduvil, which I do enjoy

1156
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,960
a world, but like there's some things in there Captain

1157
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,320
America like those you can smell the reshoots. At at

1158
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,760
least with this it was like, Okay, if you really

1159
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,920
pay closet attention, you can see, Okay, that's maybe a

1160
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,320
little bit weird, but it wasn't as egregious as some

1161
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,719
of these other recent times ones. And I think CGI

1162
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,840
the only CGI beef I had with this movie was

1163
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,280
and it's two bad because I really like the scene

1164
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,840
overall is a little bit the the fight with all

1165
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,800
of them against Century when he's got the blonde hair. Yeah, yeah,

1166
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:01,880
like uh well John Walker in particular, Yeah, he's looking

1167
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:04,320
a little jello, a little jello fed in some of

1168
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,599
these movements. And so that was the only spot that

1169
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:08,719
stock up a little bit. Wasn't even that bad. It

1170
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,559
was just like a little nitpicks here there. But otherwise,

1171
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:13,119
like Stellar, like the visual effects are really great.

1172
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially the third act too, Like there's a lot

1173
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,280
of like weird stuff popping off there. I mean, I

1174
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,079
mention because I I'm gonna forget this for sure. Loved

1175
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:21,960
in the third act when the Ryan Health of Visions

1176
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,840
and fucking Bob's abusive dad is like talking to them,

1177
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,239
Oh well yeah, and John Walker just fucking knocks him

1178
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,960
out with the shield. Oh my god. I was like,

1179
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:31,880
I love John Walker so much.

1180
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,119
Speaker 3: Like one of the moment we're like, sorry Tacos with

1181
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:36,760
his fucking taco shield.

1182
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, fantastic moment, but yeah, that, uh what? And

1183
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,400
I guess we haven't talked about him. Uh, but I'll

1184
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,760
say this before we continue. I did really like when

1185
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,440
he he dispatches of them easily, right. We talked about

1186
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,960
that that's your end fight scene, but it's not really

1187
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,480
fight scene. It's just like the you know, one hundred

1188
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:57,360
men versus a gorilla, right, and centuries the gorilla, and

1189
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:00,079
so he takes care of them all. And then and

1190
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:01,960
him and Val are talking and she's like, oh, you're

1191
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:04,360
keep you keep using this god word, like I don't

1192
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,679
think you have the right to use that, and I

1193
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:08,760
love it. To me, it was like such a chilling

1194
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,599
comeback of well, you said I'm more powerful than all

1195
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:13,960
the Avenders and there's at least one god on that team,

1196
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,480
and and I love and that that's when Val was like,

1197
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:19,079
she says like, oh, no, I'm screwed. Like so she

1198
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,280
realized like, oh, I'm completely fucked here because he there's

1199
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,800
you can't dispute them there. It's like, yeah, Thor is

1200
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:27,480
considered a god, and now you're saying he's stronger than Thor.

1201
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:30,000
It was like, what a great They gave him some

1202
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,599
good stuff and yeah, like Louis Polman, I've always liked.

1203
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:35,519
I liked him in bad times of l Royal, like

1204
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:37,559
even top Gun, like I feel like that Bob Rol

1205
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:39,840
like it's fun, but it's like an easy like I

1206
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,599
think it's an easier role. Dude. This had like tons

1207
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:45,440
of layers and I absolutely loved it. In one scene,

1208
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,880
he could go from being the comedic part of it

1209
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:50,039
to super scary, like the first time him and Pew

1210
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:52,719
touch and Pew goes back to that vision. I didn't know,

1211
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,039
is this accidentally doing this or is he playing the

1212
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:58,800
koy villain where he's like, oh, I'm oh shucks, like

1213
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,320
it's me. But because he had like a look on

1214
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,519
his face where it's like I can't trust this guy.

1215
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: And even when he was said yes, I can tell

1216
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:06,719
so many different stories.

1217
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:09,159
Speaker 1: Unsaid, like and even when he was century it was

1218
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,360
believable the way he was slipping in and out of

1219
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,880
because he's been through so much with his family, with

1220
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,840
people turning their back on him all his life. It

1221
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:19,400
didn't feel like mustache toward the powers and now I'm

1222
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,280
gonna destroy the world. It felt earned the turn, and

1223
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:24,920
uh yeah, Louis Pullman has definitely like got up a

1224
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,920
bunch of notches on my list now like that. Now

1225
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,800
it's got the point where when he's casting something, I'll

1226
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,239
be excited. Well when his cast is this, I'll be honest.

1227
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,599
I was like, man, that sucks because I feel like

1228
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:36,480
that's a step down from Stephen Ewning, because I think

1229
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:39,880
Stephen Ewn is yeah, like Steven Youwton to me, isn't

1230
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,920
a top tier class, which, funny enough, though probably good

1231
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,480
he didn't do this because this is century is just

1232
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:48,039
invincible at the end, Like there's certain movements that he

1233
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,000
does just looks like invincible. He literally says I'm invincible.

1234
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,800
So it would have been funny to see him do

1235
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:58,039
like that role. But yes, so it would have been

1236
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,239
like weirly weird like fourth Wall thing, but no, loose.

1237
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,119
Pullman has a He's ranked up in my opinion now

1238
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:06,280
in the future, So great job by Pullman.

1239
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I think I I found it a

1240
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,079
little bit of a like I missed like a half

1241
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,679
a chapter when he just went from trying to move

1242
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,800
a cup to like fully suit it up and like

1243
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,880
knows how to just take on everyone and knows like

1244
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,719
like he's just unlocked his whole skill tree in that sequence.

1245
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:24,199
Speaker 4: It was just a little bit of a jump there.

1246
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,079
Speaker 3: But like, do I need a segment of like montage

1247
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:29,360
of him trying to learn his powers?

1248
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:31,079
Speaker 4: No, it probably he wouldn't, but.

1249
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: It is quickly right because it's within the same day

1250
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,559
where he goes, like he said, from cup to he's

1251
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,880
like has a whole shield around himself. He's bending knives

1252
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,519
with his eyes. It's like that's a that is again

1253
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,159
skip a cutscene moment, you know.

1254
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:45,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I I love the look though he definitely

1255
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:48,280
I'm I'm with you. I didn't really. I loved him

1256
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,679
in Top Gun even though he's like a really minor character,

1257
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,199
But here it's like, Okay, yeah, this guy's a superhero,

1258
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,039
Like I can totally buy it. But then he also

1259
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:59,280
can play the like the timid you know, like beaten

1260
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,079
down dog essentially, which what he is like very mentally

1261
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:06,440
unwell something that I feel like it bothers me, but

1262
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:08,400
like I enjoyed it so much I'm able to kind

1263
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,239
of look past it. It's it's a trope too, that's

1264
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,199
happened many times where you have like, oh, I'm gonna

1265
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,320
I have this superhero or basically Superman villain, and I

1266
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:21,360
just everything it's like an attack dog, like like everything

1267
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:23,480
that they do is gonna be from my word and

1268
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:25,000
then no one will be able to stop me. And

1269
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:27,519
this is just like the trope that Valentina became. And

1270
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,519
I feel like we've had so much build up to

1271
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:32,599
this character that I was really looking forward to get

1272
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:35,840
a full movie of Valentina, and just the motivation was

1273
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,800
just a little bit like eyrolly for me, where it's

1274
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,400
like at the end of the day, she just wants

1275
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,679
to like she's getting impeached and she just wants this

1276
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,000
like killed essentially.

1277
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, because if she creates this like new Avenger,

1278
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:50,440
like how could they rest her because she created a savior?

1279
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 4: Right, Well, she broke a lot of laws, that's why.

1280
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: And she's she's corrupt and like all these reasons why

1281
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,400
she's like being in peach right now. So I just

1282
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,800
found it a little bit eye rolly. I think where

1283
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,639
it's she just doesn't see any of those factors. It's like,

1284
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:04,840
once I get the Superman on my side, like I'm

1285
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,880
just fine. So it just seemed very like shallow writing

1286
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,320
of a villain, even though the adventure was kind of ridiculous.

1287
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 4: I mean, like, if you think.

1288
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: About Hulk, the second he joins the Avengers, they're no

1289
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:19,760
longer hunting this man down right, It's just like Bruce

1290
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,559
Banish destroyed multiple cities, and once he's an Avenger, it's like,

1291
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:24,800
oh yeah, he's fine until we get to see the war.

1292
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 3: But the Hulk is the weapon. He is the valuable asset,

1293
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,360
whereas Valentine is not. Like I guess the argument is

1294
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,000
that he obeys her, but like that didn't fucking work.

1295
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: I think that's what she was going for, right, because

1296
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,639
she's like, oh do I look motherly and stuff, So

1297
00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:37,800
I think she was going to try and be the

1298
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,400
keeper where oh Noan listens. But yeah, it works, it's

1299
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:42,119
just for ours.

1300
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 3: There's like a thousand ways to go wrong, and like

1301
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,000
one way that it works, and she's still being under

1302
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:50,000
like this isn't going to fix her legal issues maybe

1303
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:50,760
she thought.

1304
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: It did though in the end credit right, we'll wait.

1305
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:55,199
Speaker 4: Which I guess.

1306
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,039
Speaker 3: I just also think that's a little bit lazy how

1307
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:01,039
we get to that result. Another thing that just kind

1308
00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:03,880
of jumping ship a little bit here, Uh, why do

1309
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,159
we have Bucky as a congressman?

1310
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 4: Like why?

1311
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:06,679
Speaker 3: Why is this the thing?

1312
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I really don't know why, because

1313
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,559
even in Falcon Winter Soul or in cap for I

1314
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:14,760
don't think you need it. I guess maybe they I

1315
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:15,719
get trigt.

1316
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:16,159
Speaker 4: By the setup.

1317
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:18,119
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is gonna be a big thing on Thunderbolts.

1318
00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:19,760
But then he's just like he's in a suit and

1319
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,039
then instantly he's just the winter Solder on a motorbike.

1320
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,480
And then from that point on, I don't think anyone

1321
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:27,360
calls him congressman like the rest of maybe one of

1322
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:28,119
the okay.

1323
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: Because v when they're in a Venger's Tower, she's like, man,

1324
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,599
only half a term and you're already doing this, Like

1325
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:33,719
what was he quit?

1326
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,559
Speaker 4: Like is that what she's I think he'd no.

1327
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:38,519
Speaker 1: I think he'd be disbarred because he's like, that's not

1328
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:42,159
the way he's getting. Yes, he would be taken away.

1329
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:45,599
I think now literally it was just too How can

1330
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:48,199
we explain that Bucky's not in cap for now, like

1331
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:50,760
like as like a fighter, right, Like I think that

1332
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,320
because he's trying to be clean Congressman obviously can't be

1333
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,519
out there find the Red Hulk. I think it's literally

1334
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,039
just they introduced it for that.

1335
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: Yes, but also like whether he knows how slippery Valentina

1336
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,760
is and she is incredibly slithery and slippery, and like,

1337
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:07,119
I think that's a fun element of her character. But like,

1338
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,320
like it seems like immediately as as he gets to Congress,

1339
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,840
he's like, okay, let me, let me try and sway

1340
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,960
her number two and like I'm gonna, you know, put

1341
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,960
some sweet nothings in her ear. It's like, I don't

1342
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,079
know what would Like that seems like a really really

1343
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:22,119
risky move in this Congress position against someone like Valentina,

1344
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,840
who if like that number two is like a trusting

1345
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,719
number two and like shares that information right back to Valentina,

1346
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,880
then Valentine is gonna do all sorts of things to

1347
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,920
disbarm and peach them whatever it may be, because she's

1348
00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:35,800
so good at getting out of things and probably putting

1349
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,599
shade on other people, especially someone who has as checkered

1350
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:41,800
of a past as as Bucky does, so that even

1351
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,480
seemed like a kind of a weird thread for me,

1352
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:46,599
and I think that's, you know what, We're jumping from

1353
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:48,639
character to character here, but I think that leads to,

1354
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:53,079
like the character of Mel overall in this movie, I

1355
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,559
don't really get the point of what was going on here.

1356
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:57,960
And this is something I wonder if this like went

1357
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,880
through iterations and imight know we know this character was

1358
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,280
like recast like later on as well. And I like

1359
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,280
the actress choosing drive Void Dolls. I'm a fan of

1360
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,320
her here, but I just feel like we're building so

1361
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:10,559
much up to her like okay, finally turning and like

1362
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:14,639
sharing information or like making that full on like turn,

1363
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,599
and then I just feel like she doesn't really get

1364
00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:18,519
like an ending in this movie, which I found.

1365
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:21,559
Speaker 1: And then she joins val again because she says yeah,

1366
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:24,480
and then she's just walking about, which I here's the thing.

1367
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:27,800
I didn't mind that because I thought Dreyfus's speech to

1368
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,320
her was really good, that line of oh god, I've

1369
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,440
forgot it though, what is the that's not dictatorship? She

1370
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:40,159
says like blank without power is just an opinion and

1371
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:43,639
I can't remember what the fucking word was. I'll have

1372
00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:45,519
to look it up. But when she's described like there's

1373
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,960
not heroes and good guys, there's or heroes righteousness, right, yeah,

1374
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:51,599
righteousness without power. It's just an opinion. Who Ever wrote

1375
00:58:51,639 --> 00:58:54,159
the line ace is good job, mister screenwriter.

1376
00:58:54,679 --> 00:58:57,199
Speaker 2: Oh Man, Yeah, yeah, that was like there, that was

1377
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:01,760
just there, like, you know, grief, persevering, love persevering.

1378
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely right, because to me that that was like, oh yeah,

1379
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,760
that that's track, whatever you like it or not. That tracks.

1380
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,639
And then her saying there's bad guys and there's just

1381
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,199
worse guys. It felt like, for the first time maybe

1382
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:14,440
the MCU we've seen her be like a human character

1383
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,039
as far as saying like, yeah, this shit I'm doing

1384
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:18,920
is really shady, but I'm doing it for a reason

1385
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,840
because there's worse people than me, and I'd be completely

1386
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,320
fine if we had. Hey, now the whole movie is

1387
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,400
gonna turn on her. But that speech got to her.

1388
00:59:26,679 --> 00:59:28,400
But then I need more fall up with mel other

1389
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,760
than just like she says her fimth century and then

1390
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,480
just we never see her again, you know, like that

1391
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:34,400
could be like a big moment of oh yeah, you

1392
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,280
know what value, you are right and this world is

1393
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,239
messed up and yea da da da dah, and that's

1394
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,280
our Again. I wish we got this earlier. So we

1395
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,559
begin like Thunderbolts two before Doomsday. Maybe that plays into

1396
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:45,639
Thunderbolts two with Mel, But it's like, if we have

1397
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:47,920
Thunderbolts two and five to six years from now, is

1398
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,880
Mel even gonna be in that movie? I don't know.

1399
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,800
So I liked the idea of that, but it just

1400
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,639
very little follow up. So and again, so many characters, right.

1401
00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:59,119
Speaker 2: So yeah, ultimately, I think like the character of Mel,

1402
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:01,960
the purpose the character is just for us to have

1403
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:04,519
a talking piece for Valentina to share her motivations and

1404
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:07,400
her thoughts and you know, all of her like villainous

1405
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,920
ways of like why she's doing certain decisions, and so

1406
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,000
the character ends up just being like an ear essentially. Yeah,

1407
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,119
but I feel like she got a lot more screen

1408
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:18,400
time then, Like I feel like we need a little

1409
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,599
something else, especially when you're giving her this b plot

1410
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:22,760
that she's gonna like make a difference and like she

1411
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,719
I guess she picks up the thing and like activates

1412
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:26,840
the kill switch, but it's I don't know. Then, as

1413
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,599
you mentioned, then she just goes back down the elevator

1414
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:30,280
and then that's the last scene. Like, I'm sure she's

1415
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,480
in that last speech scene on the side, but I

1416
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:34,280
don't think she has like another spoken line, right, So.

1417
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:35,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel she's there. Yeah.

1418
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. It just feels like a bit of an odd

1419
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,400
uh ending for the character.

1420
01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:42,239
Speaker 1: And it's like I can't remember if it was Tarantino

1421
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,719
or somebody. I think it was Tarantino when someone asked

1422
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:47,119
about doing movies in present day and he just said, like,

1423
01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:48,840
you'll never see a cell phone in my movie because

1424
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,000
it's so boring, and like, I think there's way to

1425
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,960
do then stuff. But like I swear sixty percent of

1426
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,239
her screen time is her looking down at a device

1427
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,519
updating right now. It's just like no offense to her

1428
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:02,360
talking Lucky on the phone. Yeah, like no offense to

1429
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,119
her because I like her, Like you said, driveway dolls, blockers,

1430
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:07,599
I've seen her stuff, like, oh, I will be looking

1431
01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:09,880
forward to seeing her and other things. But man, as

1432
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,719
actors like that, it just has to be so boring.

1433
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,159
It's like, what's you're seeing, Oh, you're on the phone,

1434
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:15,159
what's you're seeing? You're looking down the phone, what's you're

1435
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:17,599
seeing while you're showing, you're showing value your phone. It's

1436
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:20,280
like like I don't want to be this way you Like,

1437
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,480
no wonder why Ao dropped out of that role, like

1438
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:25,639
especially after Bear, and like she's gone more of a profile,

1439
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:27,480
like she just led an eight twenty four movie this year.

1440
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,079
This is definitely le like even for this actress. I'm like,

1441
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,199
I feel like you could have unless it was a

1442
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:34,159
great payday. It's like you should have held out and

1443
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,480
wait for another Marble thing, because this is such like

1444
01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:39,119
a someone give herself, like put that phone away, find

1445
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:41,719
something else to do. That just feels so just like

1446
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:43,679
on the day, like how do we do this? I

1447
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,840
just pull out your phone and fuck, maybe her lines

1448
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,559
are on there. I don't know, we've been there before.

1449
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:50,519
We're we're reading something somewhere else. Yeah, maybe it is.

1450
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,079
Literally it could be right because she did get recasts

1451
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:55,440
and maybe it's like, hey, you're you're getting this set

1452
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,679
really quick. But it's just it looks so uninteresting at

1453
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,960
least if something like we just did you right kirkle

1454
01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:02,920
where it's like when people are texting, they do like

1455
01:02:03,199 --> 01:02:05,079
different bubbles, so that you can't do that with this

1456
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:06,960
but it's like, if you have a cell phone, you

1457
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:09,320
gotta do something with it, because cell phones are a

1458
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:11,960
very boring tool. It's not even cool like a payphone

1459
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:14,760
or a flip phone sell like touch. Cell phones are

1460
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,039
so unsinematic, So you gotta do something and this is

1461
01:02:18,159 --> 01:02:20,159
just it's it's nothing. So I felt bad for in

1462
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:20,719
that sense.

1463
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,079
Speaker 2: So I feel like, once again, I want to give

1464
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:26,719
this actress, like I want to see mel and that

1465
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,159
this characters. There's some potentially like the actress, but like

1466
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,360
I feel like I would better if we spent that

1467
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,800
screen time on Valentina with giving her more conversations with

1468
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,880
the other characters in the movie, like the sequence in

1469
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,679
the vault, like obviously they're sneaking out and like, but

1470
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,639
all the characters are in the same spot, Like there

1471
01:02:41,719 --> 01:02:43,559
maybe could a way where like maybe you sho over

1472
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:46,119
like through a loud speaker or like through intercom or

1473
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:47,880
something like maybe she's talking to the heroes that way

1474
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,519
and they can talk back through that way. That might

1475
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:50,960
be a little bit goofy too, but at least you

1476
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,679
get like her able to explain some of her reasoning

1477
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,480
to like the other characters, and we get some back

1478
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,360
and forth there, but instead it feels like we actually

1479
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,480
don't really get a lot of Valentina and other characters,

1480
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:02,760
Like we just get her with the Congress, with the

1481
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,960
other like Judge Guy and then mel instead, who uh

1482
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,280
you know, don't really have much substance to them.

1483
01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:10,239
Speaker 3: I think that's something that I felt like I was

1484
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,639
lacking throughout the film, actually, because I've already I've already

1485
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:15,360
stated that, like we just had so much build up

1486
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,280
to the character Valentina. I've seen her pop up in

1487
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,679
so many projects now it's probably hasn't been that many,

1488
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,599
but it feels like one hundred at this point, because

1489
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:24,480
it just seems like she's been slowly collecting piece of.

1490
01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:30,679
Speaker 1: Black Panther Hawk. I can't know Hawkeye, she's no, maybe

1491
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:33,000
she hasn't. She's talked about Hawkeye. She's in.

1492
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 3: Soldier's Soldier.

1493
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's at least this would be her fifth.

1494
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,159
Maybe there could be another one in there, but yeah,

1495
01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:43,199
because I remember Black Panther too. She's Martin Freeman's ex wife,

1496
01:03:43,679 --> 01:03:44,960
and that's a bit of a set up there where

1497
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,400
she's like trying to get willkand attack or something, and

1498
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,480
it's like, all right, cool.

1499
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 3: She's more lead up than Thanos did. And I I

1500
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,760
just feel like what was showcased here, I just wanted more,

1501
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,760
more substance or more something like. I wanted it more

1502
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,599
than just I'm just gonna have this weapon of mass destruction.

1503
01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:05,239
Everyone's gonna have to obey me, like type of plot.

1504
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,199
Like I wanted more scenes kind of what you guys

1505
01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:10,119
just laid out of, maybe just her and the other characters.

1506
01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:12,800
Like I wanted more sequences with her and Bucky, especially

1507
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,360
that they were both in like this political like stage right,

1508
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,639
Like like I probably would have done better with a scene,

1509
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:23,800
like a more scenes between her and Bucky than her

1510
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,679
and the other congressman that was all over her case. Yeah,

1511
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,840
because that kind of just hit like an abrupt end,

1512
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,480
like no resolution or anything like that.

1513
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: I wish you kind of like obviously you can't put

1514
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,400
I don't know what that guy's position was, right because

1515
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:37,639
clearly I would say he's.

1516
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,159
Speaker 3: He's just a congressman, is what it says on IMDb.

1517
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I would say though, because he's on this board

1518
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:44,880
or whatnot, it feels like he's above Bucky, right because

1519
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,519
he's there speaking where Bucky is in the crowd watching

1520
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:50,400
us all. And maybe Sbastian sand just doesn't want to

1521
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,079
do those scenes, like I don't want to do this jargon.

1522
01:04:52,159 --> 01:04:53,880
But it's like I would try and find a way

1523
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,480
to put all his stuff on to Bucky in one

1524
01:04:57,559 --> 01:04:59,880
way or another, even if he's just confronting her about right,

1525
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:02,559
because even then he's like walking up the steps that

1526
01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:05,039
characters like, oh it's not just impeachment now, it's like

1527
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:06,639
jail time. And then I think it's like last we

1528
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:10,400
ever see of him? Right, right, what happened? Like he

1529
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,079
gets no, Like it's just like since a weird thing.

1530
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:13,559
It's funn We'll be see him in Superman because he

1531
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:15,800
plays Perry White, so we'll be seeing him again later

1532
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,559
on this summer. We all missed the boat on that

1533
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,280
SuperH out draft. That would have been a nice two

1534
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,440
point right there in Thunderbolts and Superman. But I digress,

1535
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:30,000
say break and then we'll continue on and we are back.

1536
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,920
Oh what I wanted to mention about the vault scene

1537
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,760
because another thing just ran them all forget it, total

1538
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:39,039
awesome powers moment when they're like, Okay, all your whatever

1539
01:05:39,239 --> 01:05:41,800
units are in there, let's get rid of it. Mel

1540
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,880
hits a button and it's like two minute countdown room.

1541
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,440
It's like, why does that not thing just automatically turn

1542
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:49,639
on like heat? Like why is it like it's the

1543
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:52,320
most like old like sixties bullshit?

1544
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 3: Ever, like in there's a clock, like if anything, there's

1545
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:58,519
like inside the room there's a digital timer.

1546
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: I am fine with that, and even June the clock.

1547
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: Being in the room was actually absurd.

1548
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,719
Speaker 1: I think Jake saw. But it's like in this day

1549
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,400
and age where Tony Stark can like make the infidity

1550
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,679
gallland out of his tech, you're telling me there's not

1551
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,480
a bun. You can just press it. It's instantly like

1552
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:13,920
the first turns up. I'm not saying it has to

1553
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,880
go to one hundred, but the first just goes like

1554
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,320
like not even a countdown till the first it just starts.

1555
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: So that was like for me and Iron it seems

1556
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,760
like it's heating up. And also like usually those things

1557
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,039
you want like some backup time in case you accidentally

1558
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:28,800
hit the button so that you can cancel it in time. Right,

1559
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:30,599
why is it not just the bomb then?

1560
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: Too?

1561
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:32,679
Speaker 2: Two minutes does seem like a long time, though, I

1562
01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:35,400
will say like it should have been fifteen seconds or something,

1563
01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:36,360
And why is it not just a.

1564
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,679
Speaker 1: Bomb in the room. All those people are human, you know,

1565
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:39,639
than John Walker.

1566
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 3: His whole point is to burn the contents in there.

1567
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: Right, It's like, what is a bomb to Kirkland exploded and.

1568
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 3: Burn, well, you know, a fragment.

1569
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1570
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: We watched off because people got burnt up.

1571
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:56,119
Speaker 2: I'm just saying to that, like the ghost counter machine

1572
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:57,760
was just like in the room.

1573
01:06:58,239 --> 01:07:01,559
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love it just felt so video game,

1574
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,679
like there has to be a power source, let's find

1575
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,760
and they got fifty seconds. I'm like, yeah, I get

1576
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,199
these are top tier people, but like fifty seconds to

1577
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,239
find this, this and that. Like funny, I guess we

1578
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,920
should because we've talked about a lot of people, we

1579
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,440
should talk about the woman of the hour here. You know,

1580
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:20,960
uh we hardly knew he saw her face though her

1581
01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:24,119
face and man, I was thinking about this. I was like,

1582
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,760
I hope she got paid a lot because if I

1583
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,840
was an actor actress and I read that, I'd be like,

1584
01:07:29,159 --> 01:07:31,159
I'm not fucking coming in for a day for even

1585
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,639
like to do like this is dumb. She got Maria Hill,

1586
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,159
Yeah she yeah worse Marie Hill. We used to say,

1587
01:07:37,679 --> 01:07:41,360
oh man, they're gonna slip slip Knock task Master. This

1588
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:43,920
is worse than Slipknot. At least Slipknot was in a

1589
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,079
few scenes with a crew and then tried to like

1590
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,480
fly away, remember with his little hooks, and then he

1591
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:52,840
got blown up. She dies seen in like introduction scene one,

1592
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:57,039
mid fight she just gets shot. At least Slipknot it

1593
01:07:57,159 --> 01:07:59,760
was like, oh, this is a fun way like that establishes, Hey,

1594
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,679
you all got fucking bombs your next and Amanda water Boom,

1595
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:06,920
she just gets shot by a regular fucking gun. And

1596
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:09,920
then after that, Ghosts and John Walker proceed to use

1597
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:14,480
her body for jokes like it is and they're like, oh,

1598
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,039
He's like, oh, she used to be somebody and like

1599
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:18,880
John's like, well, I think she wouldn't use this any more.

1600
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,760
I'm like, oh my god, we have seen.

1601
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 2: She killed a lot of people and then she died.

1602
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen Marvel retcon stuff before. Right, Like they

1603
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:30,199
introduced man Man uh not demanded Lourian, the man that

1604
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:32,720
Aan in Iron Man three. Everyone hates it. They go, oh, well,

1605
01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:35,920
actually the real Manditor Manner, the real Mandarin is in

1606
01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:38,239
Sung She We've seen that a few times. Right. I'm

1607
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:40,239
still mad they never fucking did that with Ralph Boner.

1608
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:44,159
But I digress. This to me was like it literally

1609
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:46,520
felt like Figging Company on the scream like we're sorry,

1610
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,319
we fucked, Like task Masters sucked right, Like that was

1611
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:50,960
a really bad call for us. And I just I

1612
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,600
feel like it's funny now watching in retrospect task Masters.

1613
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,680
The whole movie in Black Widow is made to be

1614
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,399
like the Terminator, she's hunting Atasha down. She can mimic everything.

1615
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,760
So now I'm like, had a black one have such

1616
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,479
a tough time if Ghosts just fucking Kappa in the head,

1617
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,279
Like it's to be such like a yeah, we realized

1618
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:11,159
task Master fucking sucked and we're gonna kill her off

1619
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:13,399
and us her as a joke and that's it. And yes,

1620
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,039
I agree, s bubs. She just she got buried big time.

1621
01:09:17,119 --> 01:09:19,399
But I find that because yeah, task Master did suck,

1622
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,000
I wish in retrospect they would have never announced task Master.

1623
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:24,680
And I think it would have been funnier if in

1624
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,199
that scene she popped up and You'm like, holy fuck

1625
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:30,239
task Masters and then you kill her. We're like, for months,

1626
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,119
for not sorry, for years, we've known this wasn't gonna happen.

1627
01:09:34,199 --> 01:09:36,239
And it felt like they didn't even care, Like they

1628
01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:38,079
didn't even give her a cool scene. She's like, I

1629
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:41,319
just kill her off. Whatever. Was so weird but funny.

1630
01:09:42,119 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 3: She would have been on that first poster right when

1631
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,479
it was announced that she was, so it was probably like, ah, fuck,

1632
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,680
we shouldn't have had her on there. Yeah lately.

1633
01:09:51,159 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: Retroactively, but yeah.

1634
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,039
Speaker 2: Wasn't there another change though? Wasn't there another character that

1635
01:09:55,079 --> 01:09:56,560
I got added or removed from that?

1636
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,119
Speaker 1: You know, at one point Ghosts almost wasn't gonna make it,

1637
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:02,359
But then I think the strike worked for Hannah John Caman,

1638
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:03,960
where at one point I think it was not gonna

1639
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,039
line up because it got delayed. It did line up

1640
01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:07,159
because they're at one.

1641
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 2: Point, that's why she was given less material. Maybe she

1642
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,840
was It could have penciled into the script.

1643
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: Later, yeah, right, because I think at one point that

1644
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,279
image from Comic Con was like released on another Marble

1645
01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:18,800
panel and ghost wasn't in it anymore, and everyone was

1646
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,079
like yeah, yeah, everyone's like what's going on? But then

1647
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:22,880
she came back, so it could be, right, that could

1648
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,479
be and that's always the case with these Marvels movies. Right, Oh,

1649
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,359
why is there like same thing Why is them Bucky

1650
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:29,840
having these scenes with Val Maybe because Sebastian Sam was

1651
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,800
making the fucking Trump movie, you know, like that they

1652
01:10:32,279 --> 01:10:35,239
MSU does not care. Remember Dave Batista and Tom Holland

1653
01:10:35,279 --> 01:10:37,279
did not meet till the Red Carpet of Infinity War.

1654
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,520
They have like ten plus scenes together in Infinity War,

1655
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,680
but they were not in the same room at all.

1656
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,960
So that's just like an MCU trope thing, right, So

1657
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:48,479
but uh, yeah, task Master Dylan.

1658
01:10:48,279 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 2: She's gone. Yeah, I don't know, like if you removed her,

1659
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,600
that scene could still work because you still have a

1660
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,960
triangle of people who could have been hunting each other.

1661
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,359
So I like, I don't know why they brought her

1662
01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:02,239
off the bench, Like if you wanted to use that

1663
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,359
like leave her in the reservoir and like bring her

1664
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:06,239
back maybe some other time in the future. It just

1665
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:08,319
seems like a really weird choice to even put her

1666
01:11:08,359 --> 01:11:11,279
in here because any effect. And I don't know, maybe

1667
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:14,119
he was heightened because we pay attention to all this

1668
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:16,560
stuff and we know that her name wasn't on like

1669
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,439
one of those chairs, so like, well, okay, you kind

1670
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,239
of just confirmed her death right then and there a

1671
01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:23,199
few weeks ago. But like so maybe it was more

1672
01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:24,960
surprising for other people. But I don't know if there

1673
01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:26,880
was like like I don't know, you guys were in

1674
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,039
loud theaters. I don't think it was like there was

1675
01:11:29,119 --> 01:11:34,640
no like expression is exactly right. Yeah, that was like

1676
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,920
a movie that didn't do super well, you know, COVID

1677
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,520
movie of course, but like not one that people are

1678
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:39,800
revisiting often anyway.

1679
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,319
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I burst out laughing when that happened. I

1680
01:11:43,319 --> 01:11:46,720
think I was the only one in my entire theater theater,

1681
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,279
but no one like like shocked gas reacted how like

1682
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,840
maybe you would expect like a gut wrenching quick kill

1683
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:53,680
like that would happen.

1684
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 4: It was just like there she is, task mess.

1685
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: It just felt like another like a Eric bad guy

1686
01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:03,880
lack you introduced and they got killed. Like yeah, there's

1687
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,279
no reaction my Like I said, when that little girl

1688
01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:09,520
got fucking voided, that was a popular Oh my god,

1689
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,079
task Master people are fucking like, hey, you got more

1690
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:14,439
popcorn over there, Like no one gave a fuck about it,

1691
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,720
and especially once they made her a joke too. And

1692
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,800
it's like like what dyl was saying, like I would

1693
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,439
have been fine, like fuck throw like make task Master

1694
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,760
a fucking villain in one episode of Daredevil and have like, oh,

1695
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,359
he's gonna go up against this person that can mimic

1696
01:12:27,399 --> 01:12:29,479
a sing or give me a fucking bulls eye task

1697
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:33,520
Master fight and have bullseye killer. But like and here

1698
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,119
it's it's it's such a weird thing.

1699
01:12:35,039 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 2: Of fitting teeth at each other using the same techniques.

1700
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, like yeah, same thing, even if she was in

1701
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,439
this movie edited around, like oh, we could say this character.

1702
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,279
But I think this is that Marvel's done this before

1703
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:46,840
where it's an apology to the fan of hey, like

1704
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,800
they even do that with Bruce and Hulk where everyone

1705
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,600
hated that age of Ultro and they like right away

1706
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,359
like Okay, don't really talk about them ever, like want

1707
01:12:53,399 --> 01:12:56,000
to run away together, be in love, like they definitely

1708
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,199
are for good or worse like in tune of that stuff.

1709
01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:01,640
And I think they just like they could have just

1710
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,600
never had task Master ever again. But it was a

1711
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,560
funny meme and I'm glad it'll paid off. And Esa says,

1712
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,880
do you think they'll have They'll just have a new

1713
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,279
tast Master or something. I think so it all depends

1714
01:13:12,319 --> 01:13:14,760
on doomsday. But I think what they're going to happen.

1715
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,880
As we've talked about this before, the same way in

1716
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,600
Days of Future Past, Wolverine wakes up and he's in

1717
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,279
like a new timeline. I think that's what's gonna happen

1718
01:13:22,359 --> 01:13:25,199
with Doomsday. So I think you will, like they will

1719
01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:27,279
do a new it will be like Bandarin. It'll be like, oh,

1720
01:13:27,359 --> 01:13:29,720
this is the this is the real task or this

1721
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:31,760
is a task Master or in the new universe, like

1722
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,560
whatever the six one sixth version two is. I think

1723
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,399
you will see this character again, but in like a

1724
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,680
Hawkeye season two or a spread, which kind of should

1725
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:44,840
be never hurting characters though, knowing that too, but I

1726
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,960
think we'll I think we'll see we'll see them again, man, woman, whatever,

1727
01:13:49,159 --> 01:13:52,079
Just not this version of Dragoff's daughter who was like

1728
01:13:52,199 --> 01:13:53,880
a rope. It was just one of our soldier, remember

1729
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:55,960
That's what it was. It was just that over again.

1730
01:13:56,119 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I mean all all this mentioned though,

1731
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,920
I love that scene. I think it was a super

1732
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,359
fun scene. Just the dynamic of each one of them

1733
01:14:04,399 --> 01:14:06,159
has like a different target in this sequence, and they're

1734
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:07,960
all just gunning for each other in different ways. I'm

1735
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,520
not here for you all these like goofy little lines

1736
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,000
as well. I think that was a really fun set

1737
01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:15,960
piece and it it worked really well for me. Good action.

1738
01:14:17,159 --> 01:14:21,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the way uh just John Walker in

1739
01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:23,800
that sequence was just was just so great and I

1740
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,840
forgot to shut it out. I probably will forget it.

1741
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,439
Saw mentioned in here, but when uh yeah, ghosts like

1742
01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:33,079
comes back to save them in the room and then

1743
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:35,000
they just get all like you know, they're all trying

1744
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,520
to get out of therefore the flames come and then

1745
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,840
they just get shot back, and then John Walker's just

1746
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,199
like lean, Dad's like, oh, didn't think' gonna come back.

1747
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:43,159
Speaker 4: He's like, can you helped me out?

1748
01:14:43,159 --> 01:14:45,119
Speaker 3: And she just like walks right by him, And just

1749
01:14:45,239 --> 01:14:48,399
all of those little moments with John Walker in here

1750
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:49,359
just works so well for me.

1751
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,199
Speaker 2: You know, he like tapped the ground after that.

1752
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:52,079
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1753
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 3: It's like it's like when you go up for a

1754
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,399
high five and somebody doesn't give you a high five,

1755
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,800
you know, your little yeah, feel down on yourself.

1756
01:15:00,199 --> 01:15:02,239
Speaker 1: Man, Like I said I do, Doctor Doom, stay the

1757
01:15:02,319 --> 01:15:04,560
hell away from my John Walker. I do not want

1758
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:05,640
you killing this man.

1759
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,399
Speaker 3: He needs to make it for at least the biggest

1760
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,039
shield is going to be like a taco. Next time

1761
01:15:10,079 --> 01:15:11,359
we see him or is it going to be fixed?

1762
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,039
Speaker 2: He still had a taco mode in the post credit, right,

1763
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,800
we'll talk. He might just be Taco shield now.

1764
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:21,239
Speaker 1: I sure I miss that. Yeah, we'll see. Trying to

1765
01:15:21,239 --> 01:15:23,479
think anything else that, but yeah, no, really good set piece,

1766
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,920
good set up. Yeah no. I like the beginning too

1767
01:15:28,119 --> 01:15:30,760
with uh we talked about that with Red Guardian, the

1768
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,760
Eulaya conversation that read there Elena is like or Red

1769
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,039
Guardian's trying to get a job.

1770
01:15:35,159 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 2: That was good.

1771
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think there's anything else with the crew there, but.

1772
01:15:40,319 --> 01:15:44,239
Speaker 2: I can't think of one other. Yeah, and a couple

1773
01:15:44,319 --> 01:15:47,560
other I guess just action sequences to shout out. I

1774
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,600
really like the opening one with Yolena, you know, parachuting

1775
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,760
down onto that roof then going through kind of got

1776
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,159
like the the vertical vertical like hallway scene where she

1777
01:15:56,239 --> 01:15:59,159
goes through takes out some guys. That was really fun. So,

1778
01:15:59,359 --> 01:16:01,960
you know, a brief but another another good action piece

1779
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,279
I thought, good like set up for where she's at

1780
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:05,479
emotional Yeah.

1781
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,199
Speaker 1: I like that and it was good too, Like it's

1782
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:09,600
a good juxtaposition when they have this montage of her

1783
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,800
killing people but then she's actively talking about like she's

1784
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,680
doing that. Did she only narrate that one? Oh she

1785
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,479
wasn't narrating right, she was talking to the type of scientists,

1786
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,399
but for us it was narration. But it was a

1787
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,000
good juxtaposition of her killing all those people, but just

1788
01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:25,079
talking about how empty she's becoming and it's getting like

1789
01:16:25,159 --> 01:16:27,640
worse and worse, which again credit to like not as

1790
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,439
bad as Bob who I was surprised they literally said meth.

1791
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,439
They could have said drugs. But this is why I

1792
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:33,439
definitely feel they've.

1793
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,079
Speaker 2: Thought I misheard it the first time, and then they

1794
01:16:35,119 --> 01:16:37,439
said it again later and I was like, oh, okay.

1795
01:16:37,399 --> 01:16:39,079
Speaker 1: And this is where I happlawed them again too. I

1796
01:16:39,119 --> 01:16:41,720
think that somewhere they got credit for or crap for, like, hey,

1797
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,520
you're being too like family friendly in a sense, right

1798
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,000
because like at the end of day, my kids are

1799
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,399
I'm not gonna show them Thunderbolt because I don't how

1800
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,439
much they'd enjoy it, Like there's some stuff in there,

1801
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,520
but it's like, well, and the'll learn it one day.

1802
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,920
But then I'm be like, oh, meth, like Jesus, like

1803
01:16:55,079 --> 01:16:57,239
like the kids aren't gonna pick that, Like the kids

1804
01:16:57,239 --> 01:17:00,680
aren't gonna pick that up right, so it's like, dare yeah,

1805
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,079
so like us as I do. Also, oh my god,

1806
01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:05,479
like that is pretty. And even then when they got

1807
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,720
that room of him being the chicken, he's like, oh,

1808
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,000
I was addicted to math here, it's like it kind

1809
01:17:10,039 --> 01:17:12,880
of works because like it's stupid fun but like our

1810
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,079
garden's like that chicken better not hit me again, like

1811
01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:18,359
your chicken. Like there's good stuff. But again another moment

1812
01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:19,920
I wanted to shut out though forget during your time

1813
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,760
at the beginning. Really liked the Marvel logo uh change

1814
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,760
up here where I was. I was caught off guard

1815
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:29,239
because the all the letters were of comic book panels.

1816
01:17:29,319 --> 01:17:31,439
I was like, this is fucking weird because we usually

1817
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,399
get the MCU footage right. But then when it starts

1818
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:37,720
to go and sleep in the black, it's like okay,

1819
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,920
Like anytime you got a stash logo and you can

1820
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,119
do something fun and different with it, it's like, okay,

1821
01:17:42,199 --> 01:17:44,359
that's good and like no music after it's just black

1822
01:17:44,399 --> 01:17:45,800
and I think we talked about but I just want

1823
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:49,720
to stress man. I loved the full on just void

1824
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:54,560
version of Century Ak Bob Major Center Vibes Kirkland with

1825
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,960
the eyes like lots of eyes going on, like it

1826
01:17:57,039 --> 01:17:59,359
had the same thing. But because when we saw him

1827
01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:01,079
in the trailers like that, I just thought, oh, he

1828
01:18:01,239 --> 01:18:04,079
shot that way like it's a shadow of the scene right,

1829
01:18:04,119 --> 01:18:06,359
like it's just like a building or a helicopter, but

1830
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:10,520
with him literally being like dark link here, Like fuck,

1831
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,119
that was awesome, Like I love and it looked good too,

1832
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,560
even Thore's a moment when he is fighting regular Bob,

1833
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,720
I'm like, man, this is gonna look like shit, and

1834
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,319
it's like, oh no, it looks great like and he's

1835
01:18:21,399 --> 01:18:24,840
kind of like every time he was doing stuff look believable.

1836
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,800
So uh yeah, I can't wait because I think that's

1837
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,800
gonna be he that's gonna I think he's gonna have

1838
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,159
a big role to play in Doomsday because I think

1839
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,760
when Doctor Doom's winning and if he becomes like in

1840
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,680
the comics like Emperor Doom. Uh, century is a bun

1841
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,600
you gotta pull as much as Bob doesn't want to.

1842
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,439
And fuck, I can't wait because that's gonna be you know,

1843
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,479
we'll get to the end credits, but Bob is their

1844
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,720
hulk where you know, Bruce, everyone's turning because you might

1845
01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:55,239
he might lose control, right, this is that, but like

1846
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,560
I think, to a much worse degree. But that's why

1847
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,840
I think it will be kind of like remember with

1848
01:19:01,039 --> 01:19:02,760
Vision when he was getting a little surgery in Finny

1849
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,359
War and Scart which didn't pop up to she had

1850
01:19:05,399 --> 01:19:07,920
to o'con and then start popping off. I think that

1851
01:19:08,079 --> 01:19:10,720
Century is gonna be like the New Scarlet Rich where

1852
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,159
it's like, okay, we are, it's the last inning, we're losing,

1853
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:19,760
you gotta turn and then fuck we're getting together, like yeah,

1854
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,720
and we're gonna get Doom versus Century, and Century's gonna

1855
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,359
fucking lose to like they're gonna do it. Like I

1856
01:19:25,399 --> 01:19:27,279
don't think they're gonna kill him, but I think Doom's

1857
01:19:27,279 --> 01:19:29,960
gonna find a way. Fuck like they got me. They

1858
01:19:30,079 --> 01:19:32,479
got me excited for something in Doomsday, which I did

1859
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,720
not think Thunderbolts would do. I don't talk more about

1860
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,800
the ancrets, but a lot of things everything with Void uh,

1861
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,079
Century look absolutely loved it.

1862
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:49,039
Speaker 2: Also wasn't Yeah great Carden Marbles, wasn't the Deadpool. Wolverine

1863
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,840
also called the Void that location that they went to

1864
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,439
like in the Other where all the old dead things go.

1865
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:58,239
The Void.

1866
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: No, it's not Limbo.

1867
01:20:02,079 --> 01:20:05,199
Speaker 3: I thought it was something like that, though you go

1868
01:20:05,279 --> 01:20:05,960
to the Void, I thought.

1869
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,359
Speaker 2: I thought it was you go to the void when

1870
01:20:07,359 --> 01:20:14,600
you get pruned, different void, though I would assume yeah, Vodou,

1871
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,479
I would assume as much, because yeah, based off Marvel Snap,

1872
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,800
I thought the Void was like, no, specifically a character,

1873
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:21,399
not like a location you could go to. But I

1874
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:23,239
don't know if that's a change up for this movie

1875
01:20:23,359 --> 01:20:23,960
or yeah, no, it.

1876
01:20:24,039 --> 01:20:26,039
Speaker 1: Is the Void, which which I don't I don't know

1877
01:20:26,119 --> 01:20:28,880
because I know in the comics like Century and the Voids,

1878
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,720
so I don't know if Loki's Void is also from

1879
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,079
the com books. I think it might be. But yeah,

1880
01:20:35,119 --> 01:20:38,600
that's all that's all avoiding going on, you know, not avoiding.

1881
01:20:39,279 --> 01:20:41,600
Thank god he didn't show up in dead Pool Wolverine,

1882
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:45,239
you know, like uh, Cassandra Nova and their little band

1883
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,279
like band of Mary Munees, Like would it just completely

1884
01:20:48,359 --> 01:20:51,479
fucked Like what's like Extray Juggernaut gonna do against Century?

1885
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:51,720
You know?

1886
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like he's even like a little

1887
01:20:54,039 --> 01:20:56,640
bit of like Gore the God Butcher and like when

1888
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,319
he's like stuck in the color out of things like that.

1889
01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:00,520
Albums has a similar energy to it as well, So

1890
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:02,840
I don't know, maybe he was pulling from his depression

1891
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,159
to use some of his powers there too.

1892
01:21:05,279 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, I really love the look.

1893
01:21:08,399 --> 01:21:10,520
Speaker 3: I feel like because just my only experience with this

1894
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:12,680
characters through Marvel Snap, I was expecting like a big

1895
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,880
sinister smile to the void version, and we actually got

1896
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,600
a little bit of it, like when Bob is beaten

1897
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:19,119
on him and you just see him smile and you

1898
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:23,000
just see like the white teeth. I'm assuming they're trying to,

1899
01:21:23,119 --> 01:21:24,920
you know, get close to I haven't seen what he

1900
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,880
looks like in the comic books. I'm assuming it's close

1901
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,000
to the Marvel Snap cards, so that's what I'm pulling from.

1902
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:31,760
But I just love the scene of the teeth there.

1903
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,840
Just added it added so much sinisterness to it because

1904
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,079
it's like he's actually enjoying this more so than just

1905
01:21:37,199 --> 01:21:40,560
being this this dark figure that just has no emotion,

1906
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,039
like like he seemed like he was getting off, you know,

1907
01:21:43,159 --> 01:21:44,199
as Bob just beating there.

1908
01:21:44,279 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah one of you, Yeah, beat me off, Bob. There's

1909
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,840
lots of different versions of us, so that's like a

1910
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,159
similar one where it'say, okay, he's dark, but like look

1911
01:21:52,199 --> 01:21:54,520
at this one up here, like fuck, like I'm not

1912
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,319
sure if they bust that out when you know you

1913
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:57,319
start to verse.

1914
01:21:57,800 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: That's like shadow, Yeah, that's start there.

1915
01:22:00,279 --> 01:22:02,359
Speaker 1: Even then, look, Doom is in that photo right there,

1916
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:03,680
so like this is a guy where he's like that,

1917
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,960
that's what you're gonna bust out, Like look at that image.

1918
01:22:06,039 --> 01:22:07,760
But and you know what this got me excited for

1919
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:11,520
fingers crossed that happened in SPIERMN four. This showed me, hey,

1920
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,880
enough time we can get mister negative and he could

1921
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,079
look really cool. Like that's other vibes I got too

1922
01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:19,640
of Like I hope we get mister Negative in this

1923
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,000
Spider Man trilogy, and I think he can look fucking

1924
01:22:22,119 --> 01:22:24,760
awesome because void and I'll see that's a different color scheme.

1925
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,359
But sometimes that's just like you just worry when it's

1926
01:22:27,359 --> 01:22:28,840
like you're gonna sink all the colors out of it

1927
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,000
and everything else. Even though this movie is like I

1928
01:22:31,079 --> 01:22:33,760
agree with what Clay said the discord. It is very great,

1929
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,399
especially when they are recreating which I shout to use.

1930
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,239
He said this we moved along when you say, he

1931
01:22:39,279 --> 01:22:41,600
really like them saying to the civilians. That was great

1932
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,239
because when Lena said, like, hey, what made you feel good?

1933
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,119
And first Reguard's kind of talking egotistical, like oh, when

1934
01:22:47,119 --> 01:22:48,720
people love me, But then he goes into like, but

1935
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,199
when I was saving people and making a difference and

1936
01:22:51,239 --> 01:22:54,119
seeing their emotion, And I loved that sequence on each

1937
01:22:54,199 --> 01:22:57,359
of them saving somebody doing something. It's cheesy stuff, but

1938
01:22:57,399 --> 01:22:59,960
it's good cheesy stuff. Of John Walker catches the wall

1939
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:02,079
and they all go to help them. It's like, yeah,

1940
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:04,600
this is some good superhero stuff right here, you know.

1941
01:23:05,079 --> 01:23:06,720
But that's where it is so funny. You look at

1942
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,079
that seeing you look at Avengers twenty twelve, this New

1943
01:23:09,159 --> 01:23:11,960
York is like colorless, Like it is so fucking gray.

1944
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,880
Not a big fan of that portion. It works somewhat,

1945
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,399
but I wish it was actually had some more vibrant

1946
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,720
because then when Bob fucking makes it dark, it's look like,

1947
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,640
oh look at this, look at this color changed. But

1948
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:26,079
it literally just goes from gray to like, oh, darker black.

1949
01:23:26,199 --> 01:23:26,359
You know.

1950
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,239
Speaker 4: But them saying people though, isn't it just a grey?

1951
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,319
Speaker 1: It wasn't twenty twelve. They're still like, why are the

1952
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,119
trees looking gray? Like it's that stuff where it's like

1953
01:23:36,279 --> 01:23:38,119
when they and it's just a Marvel color grade thing

1954
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:40,880
of like to Sometimes they just yeah, they just mute

1955
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,920
these colors, and it's like, well, like that's one thing.

1956
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,680
I'm very excited for Superman July and Fantastic four. Even

1957
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,239
like look at that Fantastic four trailer. Everyone's bright in that, right.

1958
01:23:49,319 --> 01:23:51,479
But that's what I hate because it's like, well that's

1959
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,399
a different universe. It's like, oh so in the six

1960
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,600
one six everything's fucking just dull colored. This is breaking it.

1961
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:00,359
You know, I hope all the color so but no,

1962
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:02,479
overall that scene was just good and it was like

1963
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,000
a good way to which we're gonna we're we'll building

1964
01:24:05,079 --> 01:24:08,760
up to then credit to mimic the Avengers in twenty twelve.

1965
01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:12,520
Remember Nick Fury had the idea. It didn't work, but

1966
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,239
then they all end up in New York saving people

1967
01:24:14,359 --> 01:24:17,079
and then became a team, much like here the Thunderbolts

1968
01:24:17,159 --> 01:24:18,479
is like, oh, we'll try to be a team. They

1969
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,199
all split off and it's like we got to come together,

1970
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,399
and it was good just to you know, see hero

1971
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,079
saving people. Sometimes that's all is basic stuff.

1972
01:24:26,119 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 2: You know. Mmmmm, I think I'm ready for some credits.

1973
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah that's right.

1974
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: Anything else that's okay, what we'll tear your last ad

1975
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,920
break here and they'll be right back, and we're back.

1976
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,479
So yeahs a good transition where Okay, they're saving people,

1977
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,239
they also do everything with the the bob stuff. They

1978
01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:47,279
get them out of there, and like I said, kind

1979
01:24:47,319 --> 01:24:50,600
of weirdly where like Valentino was also in the void

1980
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:53,399
supposedly right, but then they all just burst down and

1981
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,159
there you know, uh, Reguard he wants to kill her.

1982
01:24:56,279 --> 01:24:57,880
Bucky talks her out of that, but he's like, okay,

1983
01:24:57,920 --> 01:24:59,479
we'll just break her some bones and stuff like that.

1984
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,279
But the they are a unit now, they're all together,

1985
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:07,000
you know, fucking BUCkies looking really jacked and hairs all

1986
01:25:07,039 --> 01:25:08,600
over the place. I will mention I did like when

1987
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,880
he kidnapped them that he put like steel rods around

1988
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,119
Red Guardian John Walker because they got the super soldiers

1989
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:16,119
here them, so they can't they just bust out. So

1990
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,680
I really liked that. But anyway, so there's like a

1991
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,279
fallen I don't know, beam and there's like some plastic

1992
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:26,359
wrapping like construction, and valadinas sneaking behind that. She's just

1993
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,039
gonna give me a second. They move past, and then

1994
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:32,279
all the press is there, miles there, and she's like

1995
01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:34,720
literally just mid speech. Like I said, kind of weird

1996
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,680
skip cutscene moment, but I think it's like, Okay, I

1997
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,960
know where they're going here. And then she introduces them

1998
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,880
as the New Avengers. And obviously this is something we've

1999
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:48,239
been talking about since endgame, right of how they gonna

2000
01:25:48,279 --> 01:25:51,439
do this? Who are the New Avengers. We've literally gotten

2001
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:55,800
no breadcrumbs whatsoever up until Cap and even then there's

2002
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,399
some stuff, but they announced them as the New Avengers.

2003
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,319
And what I did like is okay, you could have

2004
01:26:01,399 --> 01:26:02,960
just done that and then and movie go to the

2005
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,359
next credit scene. I loved in the credits that they

2006
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,479
showed that they're going back to like the old Steve

2007
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,319
Rogers' way of we're just gonna propaganda the hell out

2008
01:26:10,319 --> 01:26:12,760
of these people, where we're gonna recreate posters, we're gonna

2009
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,359
get them on Time magazine. We're gonna do this. It's

2010
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:18,000
the same like Cap one on one. And I love

2011
01:26:18,079 --> 01:26:21,239
the fourth wall breaking of them, like the be Avengers,

2012
01:26:21,319 --> 01:26:24,159
like are these people ready? Because I think people say

2013
01:26:24,199 --> 01:26:27,039
that already about Sam or already about like the rumored

2014
01:26:27,079 --> 01:26:29,920
Avengers roster of like well there's no Downing and there's

2015
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,439
no Scar Joe. There's no evans, like, we're not invested here.

2016
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:34,399
So I thought that was like a fun thing to

2017
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,880
bring it all in. So we got that, and then

2018
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,359
what I really loved is in the you know, we

2019
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,520
got the Red Guardian scene in the grocery shop. Cool,

2020
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:45,359
he wants to be recognized. But then we get the

2021
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:48,520
second end credit scene. We jumped fourteen months later, and

2022
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,319
I know they're probably gonna go back and say like, oh,

2023
01:26:52,359 --> 01:26:54,439
we'll just be the Thunderbolts now, but I love that

2024
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,199
they've been the Avengers now for over a year. They

2025
01:26:57,279 --> 01:27:00,680
got fucking Avengers costumes, they got tag like we said

2026
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:05,199
Bucky's hair even ghosts had different hair, Like it's passage

2027
01:27:05,239 --> 01:27:06,960
of time's been shown where there's so much time where

2028
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:08,520
that doesn't have It's like, oh it's been a year

2029
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,439
and they look the exact same, but it's like they're

2030
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,000
rocking as the Avengers. So they are the Avengers even

2031
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,079
though it's been fourteen months. They're still getting crap. So

2032
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:18,000
I guess now we got to think about this, which

2033
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:21,000
we'll see what happens. Sam and Captain America is like,

2034
01:27:21,039 --> 01:27:23,479
I want to put together the Avengers. And then a

2035
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,680
year and two months later he's still not found a team,

2036
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,319
which is like, I don't know why Sam can be

2037
01:27:28,399 --> 01:27:30,880
mad because at least these people are doing fucking something,

2038
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,800
but they established that, which I'll get you guys opinion

2039
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,279
on a second that Sam is not happy and he's

2040
01:27:38,399 --> 01:27:41,039
going to be putting together his own team and they

2041
01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:44,199
say he's even trying to copyright it. And then we'll

2042
01:27:44,199 --> 01:27:47,279
talk about maybe the end Singer after because it's another part.

2043
01:27:47,279 --> 01:27:49,319
But what do you guys think about them being deemed

2044
01:27:49,319 --> 01:27:52,920
the new Avengers? And now again when we talk about endgame,

2045
01:27:53,079 --> 01:27:55,159
that was five years then there's like another two years.

2046
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,840
Now we're like eight to nine years pass like where

2047
01:27:57,880 --> 01:27:59,960
we're supposed to be timeline wise, like in our world.

2048
01:28:00,119 --> 01:28:02,560
But what did you guys think about the we have

2049
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:06,000
our new Avengers per se? I guess I think they're

2050
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,319
probably gonna switch back to Thunderbolts, but at least for

2051
01:28:08,359 --> 01:28:11,119
a year, like they've been the Avengers. To me, that's

2052
01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:14,119
a that's a great amount of time, Like who's calling

2053
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:16,119
them the be Avengers? Still after a year, you know,

2054
01:28:16,199 --> 01:28:18,720
they got the castle everything, and Bob is not on the.

2055
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,039
Speaker 2: Natural Yeah, I mean a lot of people in like

2056
01:28:21,079 --> 01:28:24,399
the endgame sequence, they became Avengers for like one fight,

2057
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,600
you know, and then they guess, I guess they were

2058
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:28,399
out fired or something. I don't know, maybe they weren't

2059
01:28:28,399 --> 01:28:30,880
official members. I'm not sure how that that all works.

2060
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,720
But no, I mean I think you know that it's

2061
01:28:33,159 --> 01:28:34,800
we've been talking about this, and maybe if you were

2062
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:38,119
a combook super fan, you knew that the Asterisk part

2063
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:39,840
of this led to like this Avengers thing, But I

2064
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,039
didn't know that, and so for me it was a

2065
01:28:41,079 --> 01:28:42,760
big surprise. It was a big pop moment. I thought

2066
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,399
it was really cool, really fun. Uh, And I guess

2067
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,319
that was like before the credit scene. But then yeah,

2068
01:28:48,399 --> 01:28:50,359
getting into that, I yeah, I guess I didn't really

2069
01:28:50,359 --> 01:28:53,399
think more deeply about like the time jump side of it.

2070
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:59,600
I guess, like I'm trying to remember in Captain America,

2071
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:07,199
like specifically the dialogue between Sam and Bucky, Like does

2072
01:29:07,279 --> 01:29:09,960
this have to have occurred after that movie based on

2073
01:29:10,039 --> 01:29:14,920
the events of like that dialogue there? Ye, yes, because

2074
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,000
I guess because the Avengers thing would have been like.

2075
01:29:17,399 --> 01:29:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, because remember that Sam's last thing, he tells little Falcon,

2076
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,399
I'm gonna put together the Avengers, and that's where Bucky's saying, hey, yeah,

2077
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,560
he even Florence is that she brings up the Bucky

2078
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,720
Like why is Sam trying to start it.

2079
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 2: Is after it's Yeah, it is pretty goofy that when

2080
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,920
they're talking about like the other Avengers that are assembling,

2081
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,399
and it's like just Sam still like working, you know,

2082
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,319
sending out some pects and getting ghosted but not by

2083
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:44,680
not by this ghost. So yeah, that's maybe a bit clumsy.

2084
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,079
Like I don't really know why it needs to be

2085
01:29:46,119 --> 01:29:48,359
fourteen months. Maybe we'll find out more later, but it

2086
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,800
feels like based on what we saw here, like other

2087
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,319
than the different hairstyles, like this could have been like

2088
01:29:53,319 --> 01:29:54,960
a month later and that would probably make a lot

2089
01:29:55,039 --> 01:29:55,439
more sense.

2090
01:29:56,079 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my worry of them killing some of these

2091
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:00,199
people off because of like, oh, well they or a

2092
01:30:00,279 --> 01:30:02,880
team for like over a year. It's like, yeah, but

2093
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,800
we didn't see that. That's you told us that. But Dylan,

2094
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:07,439
I was gonna ask his mask Kirkle the same thing,

2095
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:09,800
why do you think Sam? And this is because I

2096
01:30:10,279 --> 01:30:12,920
I really need this answer in doomsday? Why would he

2097
01:30:13,239 --> 01:30:16,520
not approve of this team or being on this team?

2098
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 2: Hmmm? Yeah, I mean that was something that was another

2099
01:30:23,119 --> 01:30:26,560
like I think a lot of the inclusion of Bucky,

2100
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:28,319
as I mentioned, is pretty clumsy. But to me, like

2101
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,119
his little sting or whatever line he had here, like

2102
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:32,960
it felt really weird to me that he would not

2103
01:30:33,039 --> 01:30:36,119
be working with Sam, or that he would like continue

2104
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:39,000
to work with the I guess the New Avengers, the Thunderbolts,

2105
01:30:39,039 --> 01:30:41,039
and like not not go over there and work with

2106
01:30:41,119 --> 01:30:43,560
Sam or not like have some sort of connection, especially

2107
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,840
over like this long period of time, you think they

2108
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,479
would like figure something out. So yeah, I feel like

2109
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,439
the more I think about it, the fourteen months thing

2110
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,600
is like becoming more and more of an issue. But yeah,

2111
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,399
I mean, in theory he shouldn't have an issue with

2112
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:59,119
them being a team, but maybe like the name Avengers

2113
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:02,680
means to him than that, and he wanted some of

2114
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,239
that control I suppose, but that doesn't really fit a

2115
01:31:06,319 --> 01:31:08,439
lot with I don't know what I know of that character,

2116
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,279
but I don't know. The whole thing just feels kind

2117
01:31:11,319 --> 01:31:11,640
of odd.

2118
01:31:12,199 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: Same question you, Kirklam, Why do you think Sam, because

2119
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:18,319
like they also imagine, I'm hoping it's me self ploted

2120
01:31:18,359 --> 01:31:20,279
and not just like one line on doomsdayheres like you know,

2121
01:31:20,399 --> 01:31:21,920
you guys are good of ngers and we're good to

2122
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,720
go it's like I'm hoping that is something, and I

2123
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,359
think there is like some fun of like Sam's team

2124
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:30,039
versus Bucky team, like you don't want to get two

2125
01:31:30,119 --> 01:31:34,279
solid or there's something there, Like I think there's even

2126
01:31:34,279 --> 01:31:37,279
though I think Sam's gonna get like fucking like Captain Martin,

2127
01:31:37,359 --> 01:31:40,079
like his team is gonna get like super stacked and

2128
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,239
he's gonna have the fucking like Winter Soldier squad. But

2129
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:45,199
why would Sam not want this?

2130
01:31:45,239 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 3: Because I feel it in there for a reason, right,

2131
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,640
So I feel like the big thing in my mind

2132
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,119
that would make the most sense that would save this

2133
01:31:52,359 --> 01:31:55,880
is if he like really knows kind of what's going

2134
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,560
on with Val and like just hates her and says this,

2135
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,560
She's like, yeah, sure, corrupt can't And like maybe in

2136
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,640
these fourteen months again it's all we haven't seen any

2137
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,760
of that. Maybe like there's been some things that have

2138
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:08,640
been kind of getting close to that line on.

2139
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:10,159
Speaker 4: This is this right or not?

2140
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 3: But then even yea like a never ending thing when

2141
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,359
it comes to the Avengers, is you know what we're doing?

2142
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 2: Is that right?

2143
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2144
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:18,359
Speaker 2: I guess a lot of these people have killed a

2145
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:18,960
lot of people.

2146
01:32:19,399 --> 01:32:21,359
Speaker 1: Well I was gonna bring that but like even Elena

2147
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,319
says to vals like, oh, we own you now, So

2148
01:32:24,399 --> 01:32:27,239
couldn't you just say, like, hey, she's like around, but

2149
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,960
we're still calling the shots. And I know a lot

2150
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:31,680
of these people have killed people, but really it's like

2151
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,239
the most cheap Like, hey, Bucky doesn't count. He was

2152
01:32:34,279 --> 01:32:38,720
brainwashed John Walker. I would think, maybe I'm wrong, but

2153
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,359
I would think if he's been an Avenger for a

2154
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,960
year and two months, I think he's probably redeemed himself.

2155
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:45,800
For the one guy, which was weird in this movie,

2156
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,279
they said an innocent guy. He was not an innocent guy. Yes,

2157
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,119
the guy in fucking were soldiers surrendered and John Walker

2158
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:54,319
still decapitate him, but he was still a part of

2159
01:32:54,359 --> 01:32:56,520
a terrorist organization. He was not an innocent man.

2160
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,680
Speaker 2: So they tried to like, well, Rechrid he even had

2161
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:00,880
that comment, right, He's like, well was he innocent?

2162
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 1: Like yeah, So it's like if Sam, I get Sam

2163
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,000
had his problem, so it's like Bucky forgave him ghost.

2164
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,479
Like if you look at her origin kid locked up,

2165
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,840
it's like, how can Sam be mad at that? Bob

2166
01:33:11,039 --> 01:33:12,680
is just Hulk, So that's your defense there.

2167
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:14,079
Speaker 2: The thing is, though, like it seems like these people

2168
01:33:14,119 --> 01:33:16,960
have also been just like hired mercenaries for Valve for

2169
01:33:17,159 --> 01:33:20,479
years or like a year at least, and like presumably

2170
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:22,880
in that time, they're like we saw Elene at the

2171
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,800
start of this, like go and kill a bunch of people,

2172
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,199
including like scientists, guy, a bunch of other people that died,

2173
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,840
and it's like assuming, it seems like they're all doing

2174
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:31,439
that same.

2175
01:33:31,279 --> 01:33:34,039
Speaker 1: Thing, right, I guess for me, it's just tough. Where

2176
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:35,560
where does he know that?

2177
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 2: Though I don't even know if he well.

2178
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I assume for the movie, they're just gonna say

2179
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,159
he knows it all right, he knows Oh, they're contracted killers.

2180
01:33:42,399 --> 01:33:45,000
And that's probably what he's gonna say is the Avengers

2181
01:33:45,039 --> 01:33:47,159
are heroes and you guys are just a bunch of sassins.

2182
01:33:47,199 --> 01:33:49,359
And that's where I do think the Thunderbolts as a

2183
01:33:49,399 --> 01:33:51,399
team will admit that, yeah, we don't actually really want

2184
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:53,600
to be the Avengers. We'd rather be the Thunderbolt. It's like,

2185
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,239
no red tape, do whatever. I think we're gonna get

2186
01:33:56,279 --> 01:33:58,319
that moment and dooms. They are secret wars that they'll

2187
01:33:58,359 --> 01:34:00,600
go back because I hope the plan to carry this

2188
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:02,720
team over to the next saga, like a lot of

2189
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,000
these actors are young too, It's not like they're long

2190
01:34:05,039 --> 01:34:07,920
in the tooth like Pew Wyatt Russell. Like. Even so

2191
01:34:08,039 --> 01:34:10,159
Bashi's standing's like older the bunch. It's like he's still

2192
01:34:10,279 --> 01:34:12,439
just like in his forties. Like I think he can

2193
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:13,920
still do this, even though I kind of want him

2194
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,000
to be the DC Batman. That's a whole different cast,

2195
01:34:16,119 --> 01:34:18,800
But I think that's where they're gonna go with. I

2196
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:22,079
just don't buy that. What I've seen with Sam that

2197
01:34:22,199 --> 01:34:24,479
he wouldn't believe in like a redemption arc, you know,

2198
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:26,720
like with civil like Civil War, he became a criminal,

2199
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,920
he became an international terrorist by not signing those accords

2200
01:34:30,279 --> 01:34:31,960
for X, Y and Z. So it'd be like, yeah,

2201
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,560
Ghost was an assassin because her whole life she was

2202
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,039
fucking experimented on. I feel like the Sam, I know,

2203
01:34:37,079 --> 01:34:39,479
it would be like all right, I understanding, Nope, yeah

2204
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,239
fuck her. It's like like like you said in Avengers

2205
01:34:42,319 --> 01:34:44,039
like or an Endgame, look at all those people that

2206
01:34:44,079 --> 01:34:47,840
became Avengers. Do you think they Ravagers are all good people? Like?

2207
01:34:49,079 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 2: I mean, even outside of like the fourteen months jump,

2208
01:34:52,079 --> 01:34:53,479
what have they done in that time? Have they been

2209
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:58,680
doing good? It's like freaking century. It killed killed the

2210
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:01,800
quote unquote like one hundreds people present like that in

2211
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,960
New York, maybe even thousands of people in that sequence.

2212
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:07,920
I would not done my sentence yet. But then they

2213
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,920
saved the day, right, and they saved all these people, uh,

2214
01:35:11,039 --> 01:35:13,159
and like that that counts for something because if they

2215
01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:15,920
weren't there, like doctor Strange, he should have been right

2216
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:17,359
down the street. I don't where the hell he was, Like,

2217
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:19,239
he should have been, you know, coming here save the day.

2218
01:35:20,319 --> 01:35:21,880
A lot of people he knew who you know, who

2219
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,840
wasn't there? Cap. I mean we got another Cap, we

2220
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,359
got a previous Captain America here with John Walker. But

2221
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,000
like they did save the day, and that counts for

2222
01:35:30,079 --> 01:35:31,920
a lot. I don't know. Does that does that you know,

2223
01:35:33,039 --> 01:35:34,680
go over the red ledger that they have, like I

2224
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:35,560
don't know, but like.

2225
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 1: Natasha was a you say red ledger. Natasha was a

2226
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:41,680
fucking avenger.

2227
01:35:42,119 --> 01:35:47,079
Speaker 2: She killed kids like Elena, like like yeah, led to

2228
01:35:47,319 --> 01:35:47,880
deaths too.

2229
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:51,159
Speaker 1: And I would think in the I think it's two

2230
01:35:51,279 --> 01:35:54,800
years from Civil War to Infinity War that Sam Cap

2231
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:57,479
and Natasha on the run together. So I think even

2232
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,520
if Sam had some question but Natasha, he'd ollibon and

2233
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,640
be like, you know what, I understand what happened to her.

2234
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,119
So it's just it's a weird thing. Like you said, Dylan,

2235
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:09,079
they saved the city. I'm I mean, I assume in

2236
01:36:09,159 --> 01:36:11,640
the twelve months they've not just been sitting around. They've

2237
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:14,039
been taking people on. And I do, like, I know,

2238
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:17,319
we don't. Sometimes animated animation stuff is hit or miss.

2239
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:21,199
I hope there is. Like I would kill for a

2240
01:36:21,319 --> 01:36:24,399
fucking animated six to eight episode show of the fourteen

2241
01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:26,680
months of like the missions they've been on and put

2242
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,640
them against like b rate like villains. But I would

2243
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:32,800
love to see what have they been doing for fourteen months.

2244
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:34,760
That's where I felt in the endcrame I like, man,

2245
01:36:35,279 --> 01:36:37,279
this could have been movie number two of like how

2246
01:36:37,359 --> 01:36:39,520
fun would that be as all these losers trying to

2247
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:41,920
figure out how to be Avengers doing it like that

2248
01:36:42,359 --> 01:36:44,439
that interview Bucky did the beginning where it's oh, it's

2249
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:47,159
a worrying issue and we're really worried and uh, we're

2250
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:50,239
gonna like even so fun or like Red Guardian talk shows,

2251
01:36:50,319 --> 01:36:53,039
Like there's so much potential there. But I think after

2252
01:36:53,159 --> 01:36:55,680
Secret Wars, they they won't be the Avengers. They'll be

2253
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,920
back to the Thunderbolt. So I again, it just feels like, man,

2254
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,359
we should have had this years ago, you know.

2255
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,119
Speaker 2: So but m hm. Or maybe they'll be you know,

2256
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:07,199
young Avengers, Avengers, New Avengers, like they can all just

2257
01:37:07,359 --> 01:37:10,119
exist like different arms of the same umbrella, you know.

2258
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe, or fucking Doom just kills all these characters

2259
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:15,760
and that's why they're no longer the adventures, you know,

2260
01:37:16,039 --> 01:37:18,680
like other than other than Jolena.

2261
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 2: They lives, yeah, and Bucky, but Bucky, you.

2262
01:37:21,039 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 1: Know, they could him send off.

2263
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be okay because to me, he's like, yeah,

2264
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:31,279
as I've mentioned many times, he's kind of like one

2265
01:37:31,359 --> 01:37:34,079
character like issues with this movie. I feel like it

2266
01:37:34,119 --> 01:37:35,560
would be a bit of a whimper for me if

2267
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:37,920
like he's gone on all this this great journey that

2268
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:40,640
he's had ups and downs, but like for this and

2269
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,920
then just like dies off and Avengers would be a

2270
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,680
little disappointing for me if this was like his last

2271
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:46,439
like major.

2272
01:37:46,279 --> 01:37:49,159
Speaker 1: Role sacrifice play. Though. You know, maybe he just says

2273
01:37:49,199 --> 01:37:53,399
something big to help take down Doom, you know, maybe yeah,

2274
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:56,079
and he got the other saga stuff right that feeds

2275
01:37:56,119 --> 01:37:58,479
into Bucky Barnes.

2276
01:37:58,239 --> 01:37:58,399
Speaker 3: You do.

2277
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 2: But I'm saying like he no ending on the highest

2278
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,560
of notes for him. Yeah, even if I do love

2279
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,439
this movie, but just him in particular, just what was

2280
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:07,920
going on here with some of their writing is a

2281
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:08,520
little confused.

2282
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did appreciate when he showed up on the motorcycle.

2283
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,479
He felt like he's an actual Avenger superhero where all

2284
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:16,880
the rest of these people are just kind of like

2285
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,039
the beat here, Like I felt they they made him

2286
01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:21,000
stand out as far as like I've been doing this

2287
01:38:21,159 --> 01:38:24,279
for decades, where you guys are still like relatively new

2288
01:38:24,359 --> 01:38:24,520
at this.

2289
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,239
Speaker 2: I will say also when he was, you know, grenading

2290
01:38:27,319 --> 01:38:29,479
up all these all these hummers and head like throws

2291
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:31,840
the grenade on theirs, I feel like Ghosts could have

2292
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:36,079
easily dodged that attack, right, I think so, well, she's

2293
01:38:36,079 --> 01:38:38,840
a little the car was really slow. She could have

2294
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:40,880
just well he wasn't sound beaming though.

2295
01:38:41,399 --> 01:38:43,279
Speaker 1: No, But I think I'm saying she's still recovering from

2296
01:38:43,319 --> 01:38:45,279
it because she cool down. Okay, Yeah, I remember John

2297
01:38:45,279 --> 01:38:47,119
Walker literally did a polar back in the car, So

2298
01:38:47,159 --> 01:38:48,960
I'm saying she was like mini right.

2299
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 2: I just feel like it was like five minutes prior

2300
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:52,840
I thought she had bounced back, but I don't.

2301
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 3: Know, needs more time.

2302
01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:58,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else, also get the other part anything else

2303
01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:01,279
in Sam Avengers. So I guess technically we do have

2304
01:39:01,279 --> 01:39:04,439
Avengers right now. It's this well it's debated, but we

2305
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:06,039
got the Avengers with the Z right now.

2306
01:39:06,199 --> 01:39:09,560
Speaker 3: I will be anticipating some answers, and if they don't

2307
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:12,039
get those answers, it'll be big, big thumbs down.

2308
01:39:12,399 --> 01:39:14,880
Speaker 1: So especially because before you go down and I told

2309
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:17,520
you this off aired Dylan, but the end to have

2310
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,960
the quote here. Yeah, So the director of this movie

2311
01:39:20,039 --> 01:39:22,359
said for the end credit, I was there when it

2312
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:24,399
was filmed. I can say that it comes from the

2313
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:26,640
set of a production that might be starting production right

2314
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:30,760
around now. So aka, they film this on the Doomsday set.

2315
01:39:31,279 --> 01:39:35,640
That means this scene has been filmed very very recently.

2316
01:39:36,119 --> 01:39:39,039
So that's where I'm hoping they literally put that line

2317
01:39:39,079 --> 01:39:42,000
there because whatever's happening in the Doomsday script, it will

2318
01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:44,000
have some sort of point, okay, And I feel like

2319
01:39:44,039 --> 01:39:47,119
it'll be similar to like how, in my opinion, how

2320
01:39:47,159 --> 01:39:49,720
did Thaniels winning in Finny War because the Avengers were split.

2321
01:39:50,079 --> 01:39:52,239
This will be the same thing where Sam and Bucky

2322
01:39:52,319 --> 01:39:53,840
can't get on the same page even though I feel

2323
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,199
like it's kind of stupid, Like I don't know, there's

2324
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:58,640
this Robert Downey junior variant. You guys can't get it together?

2325
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:00,760
Have we gone through this? But I think that's the

2326
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:04,079
idea that they Even Bucky said, like, hey, I talked

2327
01:40:04,119 --> 01:40:06,239
to Sam and it didn't go well. So I do

2328
01:40:06,359 --> 01:40:08,600
hope it is referred to and it's not just a

2329
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,159
one line throwaway. And the other thing I almost forgot

2330
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:13,960
too is, yeah, spider Man worse Superhero? What's going on

2331
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:17,239
with Kingpin? What's going on with this? He's just fucking

2332
01:40:17,319 --> 01:40:19,239
nowhere in New York and the voice saving nobody. But

2333
01:40:19,279 --> 01:40:21,359
even then, I guess this is technically now The end

2334
01:40:21,399 --> 01:40:24,720
credit is a year and two months after Fisk, Like,

2335
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,800
I guess Fisk could be handled by now, right, because

2336
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:32,000
that's technically Daredevil's happening. Daredevil season two is gonna be

2337
01:40:32,039 --> 01:40:33,560
a be a prequel to.

2338
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 2: Do we don't But but we don't really know when

2339
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:39,119
Daredevil's season one takes place inference to anything else, right

2340
01:40:39,159 --> 01:40:40,640
that Like, even though it came out in between these

2341
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:42,680
two movies, that could be kind of a bunch of

2342
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:43,279
different spots.

2343
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:45,640
Speaker 1: Okay, just throwing that out there, but you're right.

2344
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:49,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh yeah, I was just I was bringing up

2345
01:40:49,399 --> 01:40:51,720
the list again, looking at the all the names on

2346
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:53,079
the chairs, and we know that. I think they did

2347
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:55,359
confirm that there's gonna be more names on more chairs

2348
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:56,640
or I don't know if they said they're gonna do

2349
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:58,479
it that way, but I guess I'm just doing a

2350
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,359
brief look at the list of like, Okay, who's on,

2351
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,399
like not dis Avengers, but the other Avengers. I guess.

2352
01:41:04,039 --> 01:41:05,239
I mean, it's so tricky. We don't know how a

2353
01:41:05,279 --> 01:41:08,079
lot of them are gonna fit in. But like Chris Hemsworth, uh,

2354
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:10,640
you know, you got thor you know, Letty Schwrit's Black Panther.

2355
01:41:11,239 --> 01:41:15,239
Of course we've got what's the name of the other

2356
01:41:15,319 --> 01:41:17,640
black Panther character? I can't remember his name now? The

2357
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:23,319
villain guy who's like now on the team. Yeah, no, no,

2358
01:41:23,359 --> 01:41:25,159
I'm Baku. But like the oh my god, who's the

2359
01:41:25,239 --> 01:41:31,840
villain of Wakonda Forever? What's his name again? That one's

2360
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:35,479
like the most straightforward one. Danny Danny Ramirez. You know

2361
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:36,640
it was as little Falcon.

2362
01:41:37,279 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 1: His team is stacked already at the five.

2363
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if, yeah, Paul, I don't know if

2364
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:44,880
I don't know if you know Loki is like on

2365
01:41:45,039 --> 01:41:47,279
the Avengers or if he just comes out from another realm.

2366
01:41:47,319 --> 01:41:49,079
And then of course like the X Men characters in

2367
01:41:49,119 --> 01:41:52,520
their little realm. So I guess that's kind of the

2368
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:53,960
people on the crew right now.

2369
01:41:55,159 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 1: And again, even though for CAP as it not being great,

2370
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:01,760
we talked about this, it's not smooth. It feels remember

2371
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:03,720
when we reviewed Daredevil and we're like, oh, you could

2372
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:06,359
watch Daredevil episode one and then A nine. It's kind

2373
01:42:06,359 --> 01:42:09,000
of its own thing. I will say this feels like

2374
01:42:09,079 --> 01:42:11,600
that where it's like you can just watch CAP Thunderbolts

2375
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,920
Fantastic four and that gets you to Avengers. There's other

2376
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,800
great stuff in the other phases, don't get me wrong,

2377
01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:18,560
but it's really feeling like, you know what, we don't

2378
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,479
have much time to set up Avengers, so let's make

2379
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:23,319
these three are like these three films are very tied.

2380
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,960
Like Captain America has Bucky that sets the Congressman thing.

2381
01:42:27,399 --> 01:42:30,319
This has alviously the team coming from space, and that's

2382
01:42:30,359 --> 01:42:33,039
gonna say. I now I'm thinking like I would have

2383
01:42:33,279 --> 01:42:34,880
had on my Bengal carpet. It's like, fuck, are the

2384
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:36,680
Thunderbolts Are they gonna be in the end credits and

2385
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:39,760
Fantastic four like you would assume, but that is that

2386
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:44,119
feels exactly like, remember, God, what movie was it that

2387
01:42:44,239 --> 01:42:46,640
had the end credit of? After everyone was snapped, they

2388
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:49,479
were trying to call Nick Fury's pager and Brie Larson

2389
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:51,680
showed up and said, like, where is Fury? This felt

2390
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:56,239
exactly like that of the Avengers. There's something wrong in space?

2391
01:42:56,359 --> 01:42:59,680
And then boom F four logo you know which credit

2392
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:02,800
ass I saw it too, but fuck man, you did

2393
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:04,840
not have to put in the credits that the Fantastic

2394
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:06,640
four theme was coming. Because that happened, I was like,

2395
01:43:07,039 --> 01:43:08,720
all right, so now I know the end credits, you

2396
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:09,760
fucking assholes.

2397
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 3: Like I was reading the discord while I was just waiting,

2398
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:14,560
and then of course I'm like, oh, that's kind of funny.

2399
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:16,279
So I knew of it then. But then when it

2400
01:43:16,399 --> 01:43:18,399
actually came on, there was like three guys sitting in

2401
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:20,319
front of me and they like pointed up. They're like, yeah, oh,

2402
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:23,840
you see that I saw and then and then you know,

2403
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:24,720
there's many people that.

2404
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:25,279
Speaker 4: Didn't see that.

2405
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:28,039
Speaker 3: So then when they actually saw the logo that that's

2406
01:43:28,079 --> 01:43:29,840
when the hooton and holler and were coming out. People

2407
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:31,560
were getting pretty lively and excited for that.

2408
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,159
Speaker 1: Thank you s bubs. That was the Captain Marvel post

2409
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:36,399
credits scene that had the Avengers in there, and then

2410
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,319
that set up her joining that and that that's what

2411
01:43:38,399 --> 01:43:40,560
this was. One on one. It is the Avengers, and

2412
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:42,479
then that's what happened. So they have a space thing,

2413
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:46,279
which again I loved where Florence is using the machines

2414
01:43:46,279 --> 01:43:48,039
and Bucky's like asking to do this. She's like I

2415
01:43:48,119 --> 01:43:49,920
was gonna it's okay, we'll ask to do this again.

2416
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:53,239
It's showing like he's like tall, he's like an actual Avenger,

2417
01:43:53,359 --> 01:43:55,439
where like you're laying all the people are kind of

2418
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:58,239
like trying to be but there's something going on space

2419
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:00,680
and oh and then you have on the background like

2420
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:02,239
what do you mean space? I think we have lots

2421
01:44:02,359 --> 01:44:04,439
or no. It was a bomber walker that had that

2422
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,039
line about the space of the building like maybe it's

2423
01:44:07,079 --> 01:44:09,239
walk or we's like space, we have tons of space. Yeah,

2424
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:12,279
but they're like, no, something else and then the computer's

2425
01:44:12,319 --> 01:44:15,199
popping off like a contusion in space or whatnot. And

2426
01:44:15,239 --> 01:44:17,479
then they go and they show it and then you

2427
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:19,439
see the ship which got lots of gas and then

2428
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:21,319
they turn it and then you have the F four

2429
01:44:21,399 --> 01:44:26,199
logo again very this field in a good way old

2430
01:44:26,319 --> 01:44:28,680
glimpsed you like Phase one where it's like, oh, the

2431
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:31,239
end credit for Iron Man two is Thor's hammers in

2432
01:44:31,319 --> 01:44:33,800
a field. The end credit for Thor is we found

2433
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:35,960
the sky frozen in the water, and that set up

2434
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:39,239
Captain America. I think this is obviously the phases or

2435
01:44:39,279 --> 01:44:42,000
the sagas about the end. But I we've said this before.

2436
01:44:42,079 --> 01:44:45,159
If you don't have great stuff, that's just go with old,

2437
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:47,680
tried and true set up the next movie. Hey, if

2438
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,359
you don't know Fintet's four is coming, look and same

2439
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:53,439
way with the Captain America end credit. It spoiled like, okay,

2440
01:44:54,079 --> 01:44:56,479
frozen guys gonna end up on the Avengers. Same thing

2441
01:44:56,600 --> 01:45:00,159
now we know okay, we already knew this right like

2442
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:02,279
we knew the Fantastic Four was gonna somehow get to

2443
01:45:02,359 --> 01:45:06,000
this universe, but this was the confirmation. And uh uh

2444
01:45:07,159 --> 01:45:09,600
this Foggy's Boy in the F four movie before Scoopers can.

2445
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:12,479
I think I'm fine that because I don't think it's

2446
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:14,520
spoiled it for us the fanboys, and I think that

2447
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:17,600
will get people that are the ga to be interested.

2448
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:20,079
The same way with Captain Marvel when her pager went

2449
01:45:20,119 --> 01:45:22,760
off in Finny War that became a billion dollar film.

2450
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,119
I'm not saying four a big billion dollars, but Dylan,

2451
01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:28,399
what you were you caught off guard? Did you like

2452
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:30,960
this aspect of the end credit F four being shown

2453
01:45:31,039 --> 01:45:32,760
coming into the six one six here?

2454
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2455
01:45:34,039 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I it makes a lot of sense just

2456
01:45:36,039 --> 01:45:37,880
based off all of the names once again that we got.

2457
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:39,720
It's like, Okay, yeah, there's probably gonna be like a

2458
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,399
few factions setting up here. How are they gonna intertwine?

2459
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:44,560
And now we I guess we can kind of assume

2460
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:46,960
that there's gonna be some tension, and I'm really curious

2461
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:49,000
to see what that like. That's where a lot of

2462
01:45:49,039 --> 01:45:52,760
this Sam Wilson beef with the New Avengers feels like

2463
01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:55,079
maybe a little bit manufactured so that we can have

2464
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:57,640
just like the first act of that movie, or even

2465
01:45:57,680 --> 01:45:59,640
the first half, or maybe even the first two acts.

2466
01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:01,840
Who even knows, is like, you know, gonna be the

2467
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:04,359
heroes not necessarily fighting each other, although I'm sure they'll

2468
01:46:04,399 --> 01:46:05,760
do a little bit of that as well as they

2469
01:46:06,199 --> 01:46:07,880
you know, feel each other out a little bit a

2470
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,239
little bit of battle until they like actually can have

2471
01:46:10,319 --> 01:46:13,039
a conversation figure who each other are. But yeah, I

2472
01:46:13,359 --> 01:46:15,119
just could not be more excited for that movie now,

2473
01:46:15,239 --> 01:46:18,920
especially because like the Thunderbolts have now like got promoted

2474
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:20,800
in terms of how important they are, and it's like, yes,

2475
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:22,680
at first when we saw their names on the chairs,

2476
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:24,800
were like, wait, what what's going on here? Now it's

2477
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:27,640
like hundred percent they're they're gonna be leading this movie now,

2478
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:30,800
which is which is a crazy thought to have, But yeah,

2479
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:32,520
I just I can't wait for that movie. I was

2480
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:35,479
already super hyped just all the conversations we've had about

2481
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:38,039
it in the last few months, whether it was just

2482
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,359
downy or whether it was the chairs, but now yeah,

2483
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:44,359
it's it's it's just it's like pretty close. And when

2484
01:46:44,399 --> 01:46:45,920
you said that, that's like, you know, only a couple

2485
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:47,279
of movies away from that, I was like, oh, yeah,

2486
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:48,560
we are only a couple.

2487
01:46:48,359 --> 01:46:49,640
Speaker 1: Of movies away, a year away.

2488
01:46:50,119 --> 01:46:52,159
Speaker 2: Pretty pretty exciting. That's that's great.

2489
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:56,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't fuck it up Brusso's So that's just let's

2490
01:46:56,359 --> 01:46:59,840
land that. Yeah, let's land the plane good. And then

2491
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:02,439
five company you guys, you got X men, you got

2492
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:04,560
you got a nice gift waiting for all of us.

2493
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:08,399
You got X Men clean slate start over. It's just nice.

2494
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:10,039
But what about you, Kirkling?

2495
01:47:11,319 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I was super super hyped. I think this

2496
01:47:15,039 --> 01:47:17,520
movie just did such a great job at boosting the

2497
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:20,479
hype on kind of where we are at overall with

2498
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:24,279
the MCU, which is nice, you know, to be having

2499
01:47:24,319 --> 01:47:27,760
those thoughts. So yeah, no, I I thought it was

2500
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:29,119
a really really good end credits.

2501
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2502
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,079
Speaker 3: I like the suits too. It was actually reminding me

2503
01:47:33,199 --> 01:47:38,960
of Silver Silver Surfer Fantastic Four, like the first Fantastic Four,

2504
01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:41,000
like way back, I guess not the very first one,

2505
01:47:41,079 --> 01:47:43,760
but the Chris Evans one when he's he's just I

2506
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:46,319
think it's what he's doing, like his Evil Can Evil stunt,

2507
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:49,760
and then he's getting sponsors on like the Fantastic Four suit.

2508
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:50,800
It just was reminded me.

2509
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 2: Of that Xbox logo on Guardian's shoulder there.

2510
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic.

2511
01:47:56,199 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't quick enough. I wasn't expecting you miscliked.

2512
01:48:06,279 --> 01:48:07,079
Speaker 3: That's fantastic.

2513
01:48:07,239 --> 01:48:09,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I guess that's gonna be maybe one

2514
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,640
of our first scenes in Doomsday is these two interacting

2515
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:15,880
like the F four and everything and very curious how

2516
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:19,079
we get the only piece which I know multiverse stuff,

2517
01:48:19,119 --> 01:48:20,920
but the only piece that's still not fitting, which they'll

2518
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:23,199
make fit is all those og X Men because like, hey,

2519
01:48:23,319 --> 01:48:25,960
we know F four, we know why Thunderbolts are in there,

2520
01:48:26,079 --> 01:48:28,439
we know the original vendors because Sam's gonna get a

2521
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:32,119
god to your team with Thor and name war and stuff.

2522
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:34,279
But it's like, Okay, how does how does fucking night

2523
01:48:34,359 --> 01:48:37,960
Crawler and how does RecA Rebecca remains missed decap And

2524
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:41,039
there's also part of me that just wonders man does

2525
01:48:41,119 --> 01:48:43,159
that movie like you know how in Finny were open

2526
01:48:43,279 --> 01:48:44,800
with than I was taking out of the ship, Like

2527
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,840
does that movie open with Doctor Doom just taking out

2528
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:50,359
that X Men universe? I would not put it past

2529
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:52,439
them to do that, to be honest, like just to

2530
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:56,079
establish and like we said, like that's why they're gonna

2531
01:48:56,079 --> 01:48:58,359
be fighting, because Doom can take advantage of them that

2532
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,479
you have all these three fracks maybe four that can't

2533
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:05,359
work together. Doom comes in slim pickens, right, But uh,

2534
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:07,680
we'll see. But yeah, I think sounds like we're all

2535
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:10,439
more excited and we'll talk to Taylor in the future

2536
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:12,800
and yeah, hopefully next after nine, get people's thoughts because

2537
01:49:13,039 --> 01:49:14,640
I think that they need some wins right now. Then

2538
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:17,119
you get people excited and man, if they can they

2539
01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:19,760
have this, if Fantastic four is great, and then you

2540
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,119
can also have a great comic con coming up that's

2541
01:49:22,159 --> 01:49:25,279
like a great one two three punch to I think,

2542
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:28,640
really emphasize that hype. Maybe even another Chairs day, like

2543
01:49:29,039 --> 01:49:30,880
I think they're doing even that first chair day, I'll

2544
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:33,680
count as a win. I think whatever they've done, I

2545
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:35,399
think this year they're doing a good job of Kay,

2546
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:38,640
we got to rebuild the house that we built, you know,

2547
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:40,319
like we got to get it back and standing a word,

2548
01:49:40,359 --> 01:49:42,720
I'm not gonna say it's gonna be endgame in Finny

2549
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:44,279
war level, but you know, if you can get the

2550
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:48,560
Avengers one level, happy with that. But uh, mister Muss.

2551
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:50,159
Final thoughts on what would you rate this movie?

2552
01:49:51,239 --> 01:49:53,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, this is funny one where I I

2553
01:49:54,039 --> 01:49:55,880
it's coming to super hot and I'm still very hot.

2554
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:57,680
But I feel like as we talk through some things,

2555
01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:01,199
it's like, oh, yeah, there are a multitude of little

2556
01:50:01,239 --> 01:50:03,319
things that don't really add up or a little goofy,

2557
01:50:03,399 --> 01:50:06,279
little clumsy that sort of stuff. So I think what

2558
01:50:06,319 --> 01:50:09,840
I'm gonna do for rating on this one. Is I

2559
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:11,680
gonna give it a nine with an asterix?

2560
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you fucking stole it. Yeah, Yeah, that's good. That's good. Yeah,

2561
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:23,399
I'll say I'm like, I'm all over, like nine, nine

2562
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:26,680
point two, five, nine point five. At one point I thought, oh,

2563
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:28,239
this could be a ten. It's definitely not gonna be

2564
01:50:28,279 --> 01:50:29,640
a ten because I think we talk about there's some

2565
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:32,319
messiness there. So I'm in a good mood. Gonna give

2566
01:50:32,319 --> 01:50:34,680
it a nine point five with an asterix because I

2567
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:37,279
need to rewatch. And this is one two things I'll say.

2568
01:50:37,359 --> 01:50:39,279
Someone in the chat I can't remember. I didn't shout

2569
01:50:39,319 --> 01:50:42,880
them out. That was my bad. EUROG said that they

2570
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:45,720
would watch it again. I think it's been a while.

2571
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:49,039
I mean, it's not okay again. Don't count dead put Wolverine.

2572
01:50:49,039 --> 01:50:51,119
That's its own different beasts. Maybe since No Way Home,

2573
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:52,840
there hasn't been a movie where I'm like, oh, I

2574
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:54,560
really want to see this again in theaters. I don't

2575
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:56,159
know if we get a chance to, and we hasn't

2576
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:58,720
seen it. But it's nice to walk at mcu MO

2577
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,199
and be like, oh I could see that again and

2578
01:51:01,279 --> 01:51:03,199
not be like like I don't know if I need

2579
01:51:03,279 --> 01:51:05,560
to see this again right away with Thunderbolts, I get

2580
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:07,000
in a couple of days be like, yeah, I would

2581
01:51:07,039 --> 01:51:10,479
happily watch this again and again. Sorry, I apologize. But

2582
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:12,960
when we did our Predictions episode Kirkland, someone in the

2583
01:51:13,039 --> 01:51:15,199
chat asked us like, oh, do you think this could

2584
01:51:15,199 --> 01:51:17,680
be like a top twenty MCU project. I don't know

2585
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:19,119
if it is right now because I have to look

2586
01:51:19,159 --> 01:51:21,840
at my rankings. Let me quickly look, but like the

2587
01:51:22,359 --> 01:51:25,560
thought that I'm actually thinking it might goshy, I I

2588
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:28,039
think so. But when a couple of weeks ago, I

2589
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:30,720
completely whoever asked it like wrote that off me, like no,

2590
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,239
there's no like, there's no way it's gonna happen, and.

2591
01:51:33,359 --> 01:51:36,359
Speaker 2: You'll include shows. Maybe it's not top twenty projects, yeah,

2592
01:51:36,399 --> 01:51:38,119
top twenty movies I think for sure.

2593
01:51:38,239 --> 01:51:40,920
Speaker 1: Even yeah movies for sure, and even with shows like

2594
01:51:41,079 --> 01:51:43,359
I Have What If and even when we're soldier like

2595
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:45,560
I'm I don't love as much as other people. I'm

2596
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:48,079
talking about favorites, not best, So yeah, I would actually

2597
01:51:48,119 --> 01:51:49,920
have this in my top twenty frames use stuff. So

2598
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:52,039
that's where like I did not have that on my

2599
01:51:52,119 --> 01:51:54,399
Bengal cart at all. Walk in the theater. I thought, Okay,

2600
01:51:54,399 --> 01:51:57,439
hopefully good time. But yeah, whenever I see this again,

2601
01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:59,319
I'm very excited to watch this again. This is a

2602
01:51:59,359 --> 01:52:01,640
good time. And like I said, I hope we're the

2603
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:03,640
mouth spreads, and I hope this does well because I

2604
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:07,000
would very much like Thunderbolts too. Whenever we can get

2605
01:52:07,079 --> 01:52:09,760
there with whoever, maybe we kill off some people sure,

2606
01:52:10,199 --> 01:52:12,199
then get some new villains. If we lose Red Guardian,

2607
01:52:12,319 --> 01:52:17,359
lose Ghosts, but keep Walker, Bucky, Layna, you know, even Ball,

2608
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:20,800
like keep that Core four. But I hope we get more.

2609
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:22,560
I hope we just like Guardians, how we got to

2610
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:24,920
grow with those misfits. I would really like that. And again,

2611
01:52:25,199 --> 01:52:27,680
Florence Pew fucking amazing in this, so it's like she

2612
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:29,560
this is her franchise the lead. I don't know if

2613
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,720
you can do a Black Widow movie, but Thunderbolts, and

2614
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:34,239
maybe that's what they do. Maybe Thunderbolts one has like

2615
01:52:34,279 --> 01:52:36,920
a Moss success Thunderbolts too. Maybe get some bigger villains

2616
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:38,600
in there that are like a bit more of a

2617
01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:41,600
draw where it's like, Okay, it's Florence Pew's Bucky and

2618
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:43,960
it's I don't know, like who's a big villain, like

2619
01:52:44,399 --> 01:52:47,680
like this one happened, Like, okay, fucking William defos Green Golbs.

2620
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:49,800
Now Thunderbolt wouldn't be like that, but I'm saying, go

2621
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:51,479
get some b A tier villains.

2622
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:54,399
Speaker 2: So okay, sorry, random quick thing on Green Golbin. I

2623
01:52:54,439 --> 01:52:57,560
think it was the after the vault scene when we're

2624
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:59,840
getting like that dream sequence or something. There was like

2625
01:52:59,880 --> 01:53:02,399
a little laugh in the background, and I thought it

2626
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:04,039
was Norman for a second, and I was like, what

2627
01:53:04,279 --> 01:53:07,199
the is about to happen? I think it was just

2628
01:53:07,279 --> 01:53:10,760
like the void the void chuckle or something, but I

2629
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:12,119
was I was chirping out.

2630
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:22,239
Speaker 1: For that's our glider, but that's my pitches. If you

2631
01:53:22,279 --> 01:53:23,920
got a boot, beef it up. Just get some a

2632
01:53:24,079 --> 01:53:25,880
tr villain. But yeah, no, this is a great time.

2633
01:53:26,159 --> 01:53:30,880
It was happily, you know, expectations older. So now I'm

2634
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:32,560
I don't get too excited. But that's how I kind

2635
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:34,800
of fell with F four. So yeah, I'm hoping this

2636
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:37,199
trend continues for a little bit. The MCU with Daredevil

2637
01:53:37,399 --> 01:53:39,960
was happy with this, is happy with Spider Man, even

2638
01:53:40,039 --> 01:53:43,199
whatever fucking friendly neighborhood happy with. So we've had a

2639
01:53:43,279 --> 01:53:46,399
nice little streak here, Agatha surprised me. So I'm not

2640
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:48,439
gonna be the mean that saying MC is back. But

2641
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:51,880
I've quite enjoyed the MCU the past six to eight months,

2642
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:53,079
and that's a great thing to say.

2643
01:53:53,199 --> 01:54:01,680
Speaker 4: So we're back, We're so bad?

2644
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:07,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what a way to end it on me.

2645
01:54:07,279 --> 01:54:09,039
I'm gonna be the lowest here. I'm gonna give it

2646
01:54:09,039 --> 01:54:13,119
eight point five, a little bit of grievances with.

2647
01:54:13,199 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 4: Some just the valve stuff.

2648
01:54:20,199 --> 01:54:25,079
Speaker 2: No nine, this man says, Or is it like, is

2649
01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:26,199
it a solid point five?

2650
01:54:26,399 --> 01:54:30,399
Speaker 3: I mean, enjoyment wise, it's it's definitely around that number.

2651
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:33,000
I think if I was just strictly looking at it,

2652
01:54:33,159 --> 01:54:35,279
like film wise rate, it would probably even be lower

2653
01:54:35,359 --> 01:54:38,479
than that. But uh, yeah, no, I I think it

2654
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:43,079
was a solid time. Yeah, I don't know. I think

2655
01:54:43,079 --> 01:54:44,479
I've said kind of all I've had.

2656
01:54:44,399 --> 01:54:49,439
Speaker 2: To even last ever again, quickly, do you guys do

2657
01:54:49,439 --> 01:54:52,479
you guys like John Walker's beret that he had. Do

2658
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:54,039
you want him to have that in Avengers?

2659
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:56,119
Speaker 1: Yes?

2660
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:57,880
Speaker 3: For people that watch and.

2661
01:54:58,079 --> 01:55:01,680
Speaker 1: Or yeah yes, so people can make jokes about it,

2662
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:05,279
but I want second act ones over for him to

2663
01:55:05,359 --> 01:55:07,680
lose it. I don't want to braid it continue.

2664
01:55:07,399 --> 01:55:08,520
Speaker 2: Going away in the wind or something.

2665
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:12,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you made the choice after you know what, Ghosts

2666
01:55:12,479 --> 01:55:14,239
and Yolena. We're kind of ship talking.

2667
01:55:14,079 --> 01:55:19,279
Speaker 2: It deeply self conscious guy, but he yeah, I can

2668
01:55:19,319 --> 01:55:22,079
get my wife back with his hat. I lost my helmet,

2669
01:55:22,319 --> 01:55:23,039
had to get a new one.

2670
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 3: Super random. Uh little fact here too. The big Extreme

2671
01:55:27,079 --> 01:55:29,159
Theater on the West Side, they had a brand new

2672
01:55:29,239 --> 01:55:32,000
projector put in and this was the first film with

2673
01:55:32,159 --> 01:55:34,039
the new projector and thumbs up.

2674
01:55:35,279 --> 01:55:37,399
Speaker 2: Didn't really opera.

2675
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:39,399
Speaker 4: Looked good.

2676
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, well there we go, Ley Jon, and we

2677
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:48,600
have done it. Thunderbolts is in the books. Yeah, I'm

2678
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:50,600
sure we'll talk about this in the coming weeks, talk

2679
01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:52,920
about box office to fall out. Plus the good thing

2680
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:54,920
is there's gonna be like interviews with casts and FIGG

2681
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:58,039
and they'll talk about what it means. And again, like

2682
01:55:58,399 --> 01:56:00,920
May June July, we're two months from Comic Con, So

2683
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:03,000
I think it's great that we're gonna have Fantastic four

2684
01:56:03,159 --> 01:56:06,479
and the Avengers roster and this little subplot before we

2685
01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:11,439
get there. And yeah, I think we're hopefully in tune

2686
01:56:11,479 --> 01:56:14,079
for some great stuff coming up, some good GV juice,

2687
01:56:14,119 --> 01:56:17,119
some gasoline and thank you very much, for listening to

2688
01:56:17,279 --> 01:56:22,000
this episode. Let us know in the discord YouTube whatever

2689
01:56:22,079 --> 01:56:24,439
your thoughts, any theories, anythings we miss because, like I

2690
01:56:24,479 --> 01:56:26,479
said on afternin Golden and Geese will talk about U

2691
01:56:26,479 --> 01:56:28,680
again in the future, and I promise you it'll not

2692
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:29,560
be boring.