Speaker 1: Nothing, but so we're going for this course. Put on
Speaker 1: south Icon as a helmet.
Speaker 2: I take this port of the spirit. What's your sort of God?
Speaker 1: So put on food? Oh god us, how about your.
Speaker 3: Good I am joined today by Paul of Understanding Conspiracy
Speaker 3: and he went pretty dang viral thanks to an associate
Speaker 3: of mine. I guess you could say friend of a
Speaker 3: friend through Sam Tripley mister Eddie Bravo on the Joe
Speaker 3: Rogan Experience, and he was breaking down variation of biblical understanding.
Speaker 3: As I told you in the DMS, I am an
Speaker 3: absolute imbecile when it comes to religion. I'm very confident
Speaker 3: in my ability to talk about a lot of things,
Speaker 3: but religion is not one of them. But I do
Speaker 3: find it infinitely interesting and I'm kind of getting more
Speaker 3: into it as we go along here.
Speaker 2: So wherever you'd like to start?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, absolutely, yes, So I am. I think it's Paul,
Speaker 1: and I'm a YouTube channel called Understanding Conspiracy And for
Speaker 1: the better part of ten years, I've kind of been
Speaker 1: in this conspiracy game, just offering my two cents here
Speaker 1: and there, just watching the big next big thing come
Speaker 1: and go. You know, whether it was the end of
Speaker 1: the world in twenty twelve to the Mandela effect of
Speaker 1: flat Earth, to Tartaria to no forest and flat Earth,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to find or hear about the big
Speaker 1: topics everyone was talking about as kind is always around,
Speaker 1: you know. And in twenty sixteen I became the guy
Speaker 1: who kind of started this theory in this series called
Speaker 1: the Nephelin look like Clowns, and that kind of helped
Speaker 1: boost me quite a lot to be kind of like
Speaker 1: a known entity in a way. And I wrote the
Speaker 1: book on that thing. It's right behind me here, just
Speaker 1: up here. You get that Amazon if you're interested. But
Speaker 1: after spending about eight years kind of studying that aspect
Speaker 1: of making videos about that particular topic and really get
Speaker 1: into Biblical history from like a contrarian Christian conspiracy theorist viewpoint,
Speaker 1: I kind of got to this point where I was,
Speaker 1: how would you describe it? Kind of got I wasn't
Speaker 1: getting bored with that works, it's my baby. But there
Speaker 1: was this other topic that I just I couldn't stop
Speaker 1: thinking about. And it was something I heard in like
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen, and there were these channels around
Speaker 1: at the time called Exploring Tartaria, who isn't around anymore.
Speaker 1: She actually receded from the Internet not long after making
Speaker 1: these series of videos which were just a game change,
Speaker 1: and she basically came in, threw a grenade into Christianity,
Speaker 1: and then she left, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I was like, let's watching these videos she had made,
Speaker 1: and she was basically just laying out all the tartarian stuff,
Speaker 1: but said, I think maybe perhaps this could be biblical
Speaker 1: in nature, and she started referring back to a passage
Speaker 1: in Revelation twenty which was talking about a time where
Speaker 1: Christ reigns for a thousand years on Earth with his saints,
Speaker 1: and then once that ends, they recede in some way,
Speaker 1: and then Satan's let loose from his prison after a
Speaker 1: thousand years and he gets to rule for a little season.
Speaker 1: And like that blew my mind, that concept, and I
Speaker 1: had to sit on that for like four years. And
Speaker 1: during this time I wasn't on YouTube anymore, was taking
Speaker 1: a bit of a hiatus. But I came back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, just at the start in October, and
Speaker 1: I just picked up where I left off with the
Speaker 1: Nephelin clown stuff, like I said, wrote the book, published
Speaker 1: the book kind of boxed off that body of work,
Speaker 1: so I could kind of just finish off what I
Speaker 1: started originally in twenty sixteen. And then I made this
Speaker 1: video in October of twenty twenty three, kind of like
Speaker 1: maybe like eight months into being on YouTube again, and
Speaker 1: I was wondering, like, do I really want to do this,
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of the Nephelin clown guy, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to split focus and make people like
Speaker 1: misunderstand what I'm trying to do or what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say necessarily, you know, But I just couldn't leave
Speaker 1: this idea alone. I really couldn't, because more and more
Speaker 1: evidence was just kind of mounting up as time went on,
Speaker 1: and no one was really talking about it anymore. Like
Speaker 1: I said, there was this one channel who did a
Speaker 1: while ago and she disappeared, a channel called conspiracy e Rus.
Speaker 1: And there was like this alternative history group online who
Speaker 1: were making relative waves, you know, but small numbers in viewership,
Speaker 1: but they were still there and making video showing that
Speaker 1: our timeline is a mess and our history is a
Speaker 1: complete lie, and these buildings make no sense. And as
Speaker 1: a Christian, you know, as somebody who comes at this
Speaker 1: from a biblical angle. I needed to make sense of
Speaker 1: the Tartarian stuff because it was big. You know. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you might have looked into yourself, but there's so
Speaker 1: much there and it's kind of what I am I supposed
Speaker 1: to do with this as a Christian, Like there is
Speaker 1: evidence for an ancient civilization that's just vanished out history
Speaker 1: for some reason.
Speaker 3: If you could just a quick, you know, interjection, I
Speaker 3: think it's important because, yes, I am somewhat familiar with
Speaker 3: the Tutarian stuff because of my associations with the NDS
Speaker 3: Boys and Tripoli and tinfoil hat and all that. But
Speaker 3: I think many people in my audience like, this is
Speaker 3: liberty Lockdown. This is not a religious podcast. This is
Speaker 3: not really a conspiracy theorist podcast. This is more like
Speaker 3: topical politics is usually what we cover here, and from
Speaker 3: a libertarian bent. So this is probably very foreign to
Speaker 3: most of my audience. So if you could, yeahfully briefly
Speaker 3: explained Tataria and all that.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, well. I know this is foreigns to most people,
Speaker 1: because I said, when I first said this was nuts,
Speaker 1: I was like you mainly in the political game, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of looking at everything from that angle, kind of
Speaker 1: looking for the signs of the times, and like who's
Speaker 1: the Antichrist, you know, and what's the mark of the beast.
Speaker 1: All this type of stuff from like a Christian perspective,
Speaker 1: and you know, every new leader is the Antichrist and
Speaker 1: every new piece of technology is the mark of the beast,
Speaker 1: you know. But I was in very much in that
Speaker 1: mindset because that's what Christian Trutherism was, you know, looking
Speaker 1: for those types of signs. But this changes everything, this concept,
Speaker 1: And like I said, in the majority of your audience
Speaker 1: coming maybe from like a conservative, more right leaning kind
Speaker 1: of bent, whatever that is, they're probably more likely not
Speaker 1: Christian conservative in some respect, and that means they too
Speaker 1: are problems. Yeah, so I imagine your audience too, are
Speaker 1: kind of in that realm of tribulations about to come upon.
Speaker 1: It seems like we're seeing revelation unfold just before Armageddon
Speaker 1: and Christ is about to return. That is the mainstream
Speaker 1: seminary torch church doctrine today. That's what most evangelicals, specifically
Speaker 1: American Christians, are all believing and waiting for. And the
Speaker 1: majority of the Anglo sphere will call the English speaking countries,
Speaker 1: you know, classically speaking, there are other eschatologies that means
Speaker 1: end time worldviews that perhaps it's a millennial. So the
Speaker 1: millennial reign has been going on kind of like a
Speaker 1: church age indefinitely since Pentecostis. Christ came down, you know,
Speaker 1: and we're still waiting for his return. But it's kind
Speaker 1: of like the millennial Kingdom is like an ethereal symbolic
Speaker 1: thing to symbolize Christendom spreading throughout the world. And that's
Speaker 1: fair enough as well, that's quite an acceptable classical view
Speaker 1: next to the no, we're waiting for the Temple to
Speaker 1: be built. We're waiting for sacrifices to be stopped in
Speaker 1: the temple. We're waiting for the Antichrist to turn up
Speaker 1: and proclaim himself to be God in the temple. We're
Speaker 1: waiting for all these things to happen. We waiting for
Speaker 1: the judgment, were waiting for the vowels to be poured out,
Speaker 1: you know, we're waiting for wrath on earth, earthquakes everywhere, war,
Speaker 1: And that's pretty standard Christian theology. This is not that.
Speaker 1: This is basically saying all of that already happened around
Speaker 1: seventy eight, and we are living past a thousand year
Speaker 1: reign of Christ that was physical on earth in a
Speaker 1: very literal sense. And we are now in what's called
Speaker 1: Satan's Little Season, which is a time period immediately after
Speaker 1: the thousand year Reign, and the thousand year reign is
Speaker 1: one thousand years where the devil is locked up and
Speaker 1: we're the resurrected dead. Those who died in Christ's name
Speaker 1: prior to tribulation are resurrected to rule as kings and
Speaker 1: priests with him on earth with an iron rod. So
Speaker 1: it's a very physical, earthly kingdom, but it's not like
Speaker 1: the ultimate Kingdom of Christendom. The new Heaven and Earth
Speaker 1: is what we're waiting for, the new Kingdom, spiritual kingdom
Speaker 1: and physical Kingdom Heaven manifest on earth. Shall we say,
Speaker 1: it's kind of what the end result, end goal is.
Speaker 1: Any old rain is like a taster and earthly, physical
Speaker 1: taster of the heavenly Kingdom on earth, you know. And
Speaker 1: sadly and quite controversially, most Christians don't know about this
Speaker 1: time called the Little Season of Satan. It isn't on
Speaker 1: the maps of eschatology. It's not put there on the
Speaker 1: timeline as a thing that happens. And if it is,
Speaker 1: it's like a Footno, it's like a tiny little bit
Speaker 1: that's insignificant, you know. But the fact is Revelation twenty
Speaker 1: clearly says there's a time period where Christ rules with
Speaker 1: his saints for a thousand years, then specifically when the
Speaker 1: thousand years has ended, so it ends it's not eternal.
Speaker 1: This isn't the new Heaven and Earth I'm talking about here,
Speaker 1: that's an eternal forever ever going on, forever kingdom. Nothing's changed.
Speaker 1: This isn't the time where the lion lays down with
Speaker 1: the lamb, or where there's no more tears, or there's
Speaker 1: no more oceans or rain or anything like that. This
Speaker 1: isn't not that time. For most Christians who kind of
Speaker 1: hear this for the first time, the reactions kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: why are the animals still killing each other? Or why
Speaker 1: is there still pain and misery. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: because we're not talking about the new Heaven and Earth.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a millennial reign on Earth where he
Speaker 1: rules with an iron rod. So this is a time
Speaker 1: where people, likely the survivors of tribulation, the very few
Speaker 1: who were left, kind of get ruled over on the
Speaker 1: earth in a very kingdom like sense. Like there's a king,
Speaker 1: there's a theocracy going on here, you have to bow down,
Speaker 1: you have to pay homage. You know. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like a real, tangible, earthly situation. And these saints that
Speaker 1: are resurrected that would have been around are kind of
Speaker 1: like gods in a way, the like and I don't
Speaker 1: mean that literally, don't venerate them. I'm not an idle
Speaker 1: worshiper or anything, you know, but they were perfected humans,
Speaker 1: light bodied humans already resurrected the example of what's waiting
Speaker 1: for everybody who follows Christ. You know what, you're just
Speaker 1: rewards they were living during that time, that thousand years.
Speaker 1: And when you think about it, and this is one
Speaker 1: thing exploring Tartaria kind of made a big deal about,
Speaker 1: is this might actually explain why the saints are everywhere
Speaker 1: all other Catholic cathedrals. Where are these these stories of
Speaker 1: saints that come out where they're performing miracles and are
Speaker 1: glowing and of halos and in some cases of giants
Speaker 1: and all this type of thing. It kind of lends
Speaker 1: creedence to the idea that the reason we even have
Speaker 1: like saint veneration is because there was a time where
Speaker 1: they were the rulers on Earth and intermediaries between Christ
Speaker 1: and humanity in some sense. So that's these are the
Speaker 1: tap of the things that click in your mind when
Speaker 1: you really start thinking about this. And you know, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, I've been doing this now for a good
Speaker 1: part of a year and a half, we've kind of
Speaker 1: gathered like a big community online just sharing these ideas,
Speaker 1: hashing it out, you know, because we don't have all
Speaker 1: the answers, but we keep having mountain evidence that this
Speaker 1: seems like this may have actually been the case. And
Speaker 1: the only reason we even have a conspiracy to understand
Speaker 1: is that they're hiding that Christ was already here. And
Speaker 1: as you saw, one thing's been leading to another. And
Speaker 1: now even people like Joe Rogan are catching clips of
Speaker 1: mind kind of fleshing this idea year out, you know.
Speaker 1: And Eddie Bravo himself, he says he's fully on board
Speaker 1: in Christ is King. Now. You know, it's because this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff is changing lives in big ways once
Speaker 1: people finally grasp what we're trying to say here. And
Speaker 1: I understand people have many arguments, many pushbacks, many discrepancies
Speaker 1: that they need ironing out, but just talk with our community,
Speaker 1: watch the videos. Think it out and you'll start to realize, actually,
Speaker 1: you know, this is making a lot of sense. So
Speaker 1: there it is summarized quickly. If some ideas on it,
Speaker 1: I'll give it back to you. I've talked for a
Speaker 1: while there. But there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, just to put all my cards
Speaker 2: on the table.
Speaker 3: I am not trying to convert or convince my audience
Speaker 3: in any way, so I hope that they don't take
Speaker 3: it as such. I just found it to be a
Speaker 3: very interesting topic and I wanted to dig in. So
Speaker 3: let's start with this and forgive my ignorance. But you
Speaker 3: said that it began seventy a d. When did Jesus die.
Speaker 1: Well, thirty three, Dad, of the age of thirty three.
Speaker 1: You know, so people traditionally speaking, you know, from say
Speaker 1: the year of our law Adam Domini ad year zero,
Speaker 1: is that he was born, is what we traditionally believe,
Speaker 1: isn't it. So he died at the age of thirty three,
Speaker 1: and then he was around for forty days and forty
Speaker 1: nights that they are ount of the Pentecost after his
Speaker 1: resurrection three days later and in that time, go ahead, sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you said that the little season of Satan
Speaker 3: that begins thirty years after his death.
Speaker 2: Do I understand that correctly?
Speaker 1: Roughly? So, yeah, there's a prophecy getting fulfilled here about
Speaker 1: a temple being destroyed. So the Pharisees approached Christ. You're
Speaker 1: in the main Gospels, you know, and they're like saying,
Speaker 1: what what have you got for us? What's the future?
Speaker 1: What's going to happen here? I mean, look at this
Speaker 1: temple we have here. It's wonderful built by us, you know.
Speaker 1: And Jesus Christ is basically saying, this temple is going
Speaker 1: to be torn down and not one stone is going
Speaker 1: to be left upon another. And when you see these things,
Speaker 1: you know that Son of Man is coming. You know,
Speaker 1: this is that's the end for you. There's nothing left
Speaker 1: after that, because the end of the temple era is over.
Speaker 1: The Temple of God is now going to be the
Speaker 1: human body, not buildings made with brick, and you know,
Speaker 1: and then we need to look in history. Then, well
Speaker 1: was there an example where that temple got destroyed in history?
Speaker 1: And that was seventy eight, So it not long after
Speaker 1: Christ died, resurrected and ascended into heaven. He left a
Speaker 1: promise for the people his apostles, everyone who was there
Speaker 1: at Pentecost, who witnessed his resurrection. He said, go out,
Speaker 1: make disciples of all the nations. Spread the gospel. I
Speaker 1: have given you my Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will
Speaker 1: guide you in all things. You can. Go and perform miracles,
Speaker 1: raise the dead, heal the sick, show them that Christ
Speaker 1: is king and the Father in heaven is real and
Speaker 1: loves them, and they need to come back to him.
Speaker 1: Go out and spread the gospel, you know. And that's
Speaker 1: what they did for like thirty to forty years, you know,
Speaker 1: roughly up until seventy eight seventy seven AD. And you know,
Speaker 1: the people died, were persecuted by Rome, were hideously tortured,
Speaker 1: fed to lions for this faith that they kept till
Speaker 1: the end. They were not letting go of this. They
Speaker 1: were not converting back to paganism. It was serious. These
Speaker 1: people were serious, you know, because they saw some things
Speaker 1: that they cannot deny. They were happy to be martyred
Speaker 1: for Christ, you know, basically because it's kind of like
Speaker 1: they get their just rewards, which is the promise He
Speaker 1: left them, you will reign with me as kings and
Speaker 1: priests in the Millennial Kingdom basically, I am going to
Speaker 1: come back now. Today the church is still waiting for
Speaker 1: Jesus to come back two thousand years later. They don't
Speaker 1: think that he's already happened. They think it's we live
Speaker 1: in what's called the Church Age, and there's these long
Speaker 1: dispensations of two thousand years through our history, and we're
Speaker 1: living in the middle of at the end of a
Speaker 1: two thousand year gap where we're waiting for Christ to
Speaker 1: fulfill his promise. But the truth is the Temple was
Speaker 1: destroyed in seventy eighty. It did happen, and it's documented
Speaker 1: by Josephus. He's like a first century Jewish historian, and
Speaker 1: even he describes the destruction of the temple, and even
Speaker 1: he's saying, like, I wouldn't write this down because it
Speaker 1: sounds so unbelievable if it wasn't for the fact that
Speaker 1: everybody witnessed this thing happening. But there's quite literally armies
Speaker 1: and chariots of fire in the sky above the temple
Speaker 1: as it is being destroyed, real writings. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm serious.
Speaker 3: Let me interject, So what temple is this and how
Speaker 3: is it destroyed? And is there an explanation to these
Speaker 3: apparitions or spirits or whatever in the sky.
Speaker 1: This is the temple in Jerusalem, the Second Temple. Ok okay,
Speaker 1: this is the last temple that ever existed where sacrifices
Speaker 1: are still being made by the Jewish people. And Christ
Speaker 1: came to put an end to those sacrifices. He is
Speaker 1: the final sacrifice. Do you get what I mean? To
Speaker 1: cleanse them of the sins and so forth? Now today,
Speaker 1: because we live in a world where we believe the
Speaker 1: state of Israel or the Jewish nation has been made
Speaker 1: whole again with the Balfour Declaration and obviously the forties
Speaker 1: with Israel made a nation again, people think finally the
Speaker 1: prophecies are about to be fulfilled that were promised two
Speaker 1: thousand years ago, because they don't know historically speaking, that
Speaker 1: Christ has already been here. It's been covered up. Most
Speaker 1: Christians are looking to this nation, you know, and thinking, well,
Speaker 1: now they have to build a temple so it can
Speaker 1: be destroyed. That's the only way that can make sense
Speaker 1: of it in their heads, because that's what bit of
Speaker 1: impromised needs to happen for tribulations to company.
Speaker 3: Don't all Christians believe that, I mean Christ was here
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ is their savior. They all believe that he
Speaker 3: was a real man embodied around zero AD.
Speaker 1: No, well, yeah, we're not disputing that. That's not where
Speaker 1: we have this contentious issue right now with it. Eschatology
Speaker 1: is really specifically concerned with the end times, the end
Speaker 1: of all things, not the Star of Christ. You know,
Speaker 1: So I say that they call them, they're called futurists.
Speaker 1: The predominant believe today is futurism. Everything is happening in
Speaker 1: the future. We're still waiting for prophecy to be fulfilled.
Speaker 1: We're still waiting for the destruction of the temple, the
Speaker 1: Antichrist to proclaim himself to be got in the temple. First,
Speaker 1: we're waiting for wars, earthquakes, pestilence, famines, and then when
Speaker 1: everything is at its worst possible point, Christ will return
Speaker 1: and establish his kingdom and we all get to happily
Speaker 1: ever after with him. That's what most people are waiting
Speaker 1: for and believing is going to happen. What we're saying
Speaker 1: is that all happened in that time period seventy eighty roughly,
Speaker 1: when that temple was destroyed, Christians were being persecuted, martyred,
Speaker 1: and murdered. There was wars, famines, and all sort of
Speaker 1: horrible things happening around that early first century period. Now,
Speaker 1: this is where it gets conspiratorial. We're saying the timeline
Speaker 1: is a mess, so standard historical timelines don't match up
Speaker 1: to this theory at all. But we're saying that's because
Speaker 1: it's a lie. That's because all those things didn't happen
Speaker 1: spread out over a thousand years like we've been told.
Speaker 1: It all happened in a very short amount of time,
Speaker 1: over about fifty year period at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: first millennium. And we've kind of been lied to about
Speaker 1: how long the first century was, so we'll get into
Speaker 1: that soon. I've got lost a share on that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, so who I mean, So someone had
Speaker 3: to have proclaimed themselves the Antichrist or I guess be
Speaker 3: a false christ proclamation in this in the seventies that
Speaker 3: did that happen?
Speaker 1: Well, there's contenders for who the beast was, for who
Speaker 1: the Antichrist was. Nero seems to be the most prominent one.
Speaker 2: Hero he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was one who basically persecuted Christians like no other,
Speaker 1: made Roman candles out of them, burned them alive, all
Speaker 1: this type of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, things didn't you know, things didn't go well under Nero,
Speaker 2: So yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it was pretty awful for Christians, you know. And
Speaker 1: the way it's described by W. John the Revelator in Revelations,
Speaker 1: he had to use symbolic language when he was in
Speaker 1: prison right in this thing, which I think, by the way,
Speaker 1: was in about the six sixties, you know, not not
Speaker 1: the nineties like they tell us. It was in first century.
Speaker 1: And I think he wrote everything before everything happened. Historians
Speaker 1: like to say he wrote it, must have roasted it
Speaker 1: in the ninety about ninety eight, because everything he said
Speaker 1: came true with the temple, so he must have written
Speaker 1: it after the fact, you know, or he was prophesying
Speaker 1: in his prophecies came true, which is what I'm more
Speaker 1: inclined to believe. But the way he describes, you know
Speaker 1: him by his number, the name, the six sixty six. Well,
Speaker 1: Nero can be broken down neurologically into six sixty six.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like he was hinting at the time
Speaker 1: that it's this particular leader, you know. And then obviously
Speaker 1: you've got the whole idea that there'll be these seven
Speaker 1: heads and all these type of things in the little horn,
Speaker 1: and if you go down you have to you have
Speaker 1: to put it in context. Okay, So John was speaking
Speaker 1: about his time when he made that prophecy and mentioned
Speaker 1: about the kings of the time, you know, and how
Speaker 1: there'll be so many and then there'll be a little
Speaker 1: horn on the end of this king and trying to
Speaker 1: symbolically represent who the Antichrist is going to be. Now,
Speaker 1: if we put it into John's time, then it likely
Speaker 1: was Nero, And now you could you could argue maps
Speaker 1: it was a figure we don't know, maybe because we
Speaker 1: weren't there, that wasn't documented or historically. But Nero's the
Speaker 1: top contender. But there are examples of other Roman I
Speaker 1: think Didiocletian is that his name. He was pretty bad too,
Speaker 1: you know, just up until just up until it was
Speaker 1: a Constantine and the Reformation. He was like the last
Speaker 1: bad Roman emperor to really just go sick on Christians.
Speaker 1: And he even introduced something called a labellus, a libelist,
Speaker 1: which is basically a little piece of paper. And to
Speaker 1: get this piece of paper, which allows you to buy
Speaker 1: and sell in Rome under Roman jurisdiction, you have to
Speaker 1: make sacrifices to the pagan gods in the temple, and
Speaker 1: you have to be witnessed by Roman official to get
Speaker 1: it signed officially that you have done the correct rights.
Speaker 1: And obviously Christians would have denied doing that because they
Speaker 1: would have been a denial of Jesus, and they would
Speaker 1: have been persecuted and put to death and torture for
Speaker 1: such things. But that is akin to something like a
Speaker 1: mark of the beast. And the word mark is charagma
Speaker 1: in Greece with Greek sorry, which can basically relate to money,
Speaker 1: or a piece of paper, or a sign or writing
Speaker 1: or an inscription on a surface of some kind. So
Speaker 1: there's plenty of examples in the early century that you
Speaker 1: can say that's like the mark of the beast, or
Speaker 1: that's like the beast or the Antichrist. But the timeline
Speaker 1: puts like hundreds of years between these two people. I'm
Speaker 1: saying they were right next to each other in history,
Speaker 1: they weren't separated by big amounts of time. It's possible
Speaker 1: we're talking about local rulers and kings of local regions
Speaker 1: rather than one giant, big bad emperor who ruled all
Speaker 1: of Rome all or once as well. I think there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a blur going on here. And
Speaker 1: the other reason we talk about this issue with the
Speaker 1: early timeline is because a fantastic sadly he has passed
Speaker 1: away just last year, but a fantastic like historian, researcher,
Speaker 1: economist kind of big in the scene of alternative revisionist history,
Speaker 1: is called Gunner Heinzen, a German researcher, and he did
Speaker 1: a presentation in Toronto in twenty sixteen, and we cover
Speaker 1: this on my channel and with in our community. We
Speaker 1: did a big breakdown on his presentation and he basically
Speaker 1: lays out clearly through scientific methods, so stratigraphy, on archaeology,
Speaker 1: layers of sediments, and what we find when we dig
Speaker 1: under those layers. And he discovered there's nothing under Rome.
Speaker 1: Thirty three thousand dig sites and not one thing is
Speaker 1: underneath Rome, and all of Rome, for some reason is
Speaker 1: buried and we were digging a lot of it up.
Speaker 1: What happened? How did Rome get buried under so much sediment?
Speaker 1: And why is there no civilization underneath it? And it's
Speaker 1: likely because well, Rome wasn't just Rome. It was an
Speaker 1: amalgamation of all the beast kingdoms that came before it.
Speaker 1: From Babylon. You know, it's actually a lot of things
Speaker 1: put together, so that's why there's nothing underneath it, and
Speaker 1: a giant cataclysm must have happened to bury it all.
Speaker 1: And we're talking here tribulation. Now you know this, we're beginning.
Speaker 1: It is the idea that if you actually look at
Speaker 1: the Earth, there's plenty of evidence to say the Earth
Speaker 1: went through a drastic cataclysmic earth shattering events that killed
Speaker 1: maybe he and Gonda says at least ninety five percent
Speaker 1: of the population was wiped out thanks to this. It's
Speaker 1: he on the explanation, and he then looks into the
Speaker 1: tratigraphy and says, there's no way there was a thousand
Speaker 1: years in the first millennium, like they're telling us. We
Speaker 1: can only account for three hundred years worth of history.
Speaker 1: There's seven hundred years that don't exist, and they they've
Speaker 1: just made it. They've just made it up, basically, and
Speaker 1: again he lays out the method of how this is
Speaker 1: the case. But he's the first one to say that
Speaker 1: history has been stretched. He's not the first one. I mean.
Speaker 1: Antolo Fimenko is a Russian mathematician, very very intelligent guy
Speaker 1: and a brilliant artist as well, and he wrote a
Speaker 1: book called The New Chronology, and he's predicting and he
Speaker 1: does this through population. So he looked at the population
Speaker 1: of the Earth today. He does the math, and he
Speaker 1: basically has figured out, if our history is correct and
Speaker 1: has been two thousand years, our population should be about tripple.
Speaker 1: What it is even with the deaths and the wars
Speaker 1: and the famines and everything included in all the math
Speaker 1: is like, we do not have enough people. Something happened
Speaker 1: were missing time. He thinks a thousand years is missing
Speaker 1: from our timeline. Gonna Heights and thinks is seven hundred
Speaker 1: years missing. Other historians think it ranges from three hundred
Speaker 1: to five hundred years that could be missing. But there's
Speaker 1: plenty of evidences that keep going on to say there
Speaker 1: was a worldwide civilization that was all working together under
Speaker 1: what we call Rome. But they were more like a
Speaker 1: hybrid of nations under the banner of Rome. So the Vikings,
Speaker 1: he's saying, we're even a part of the Roman Empire,
Speaker 1: but they had their own culture. But they answered to Caesar,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they're working all together, and
Speaker 1: they literally covered the whole earth. And this is the
Speaker 1: beast kingdom we're talking about this is the final Beast
Speaker 1: kingdom in the Daniel prophecy, that is just before Christ
Speaker 1: comes and destroys everything and resets everything. And we're seeing
Speaker 1: evidences that there was this massive, worthwide kingdom we call
Speaker 1: it Tartaria today in some circles, you know, that just
Speaker 1: covered every corner of the earth with the same like architecture,
Speaker 1: the pillared columned Corinthian pillared architecture everywhere. And then suddenly
Speaker 1: it's all buried. Something happened, and he puts the timing roughly.
Speaker 1: It seems like around the first century, but history tells
Speaker 1: us there was three cataclisms in the first millennium. In
Speaker 1: the first thousand years, there was the Barbarian invasion in
Speaker 1: about the third second century, sorry in the first century,
Speaker 1: and then there was like a earthquake cataclysm of some
Speaker 1: kind of volcano cataclism in like the ninth seventh century.
Speaker 1: And in the middle around five thirty six AD, this
Speaker 1: is documented as the worst year on record for human history.
Speaker 1: There was just an absolute mini ice age of absolute
Speaker 1: destructive proportions. It was just awful, like wars, pestilence, death, misery, cold.
Speaker 1: There's actually a documented case, and we could see this
Speaker 1: through dendo chronology. They call it the tree rings, you know.
Speaker 1: But ive thirty six AD, the sun didn't even shine
Speaker 1: for eighteen months. Something happened that blacked out the sun.
Speaker 1: We're thinking every single volcano went off all at once,
Speaker 1: just blacked out the sky. Basically, that's the only thing
Speaker 1: we can think of. I could do something like this,
Speaker 1: you know. And then that brought with it all the
Speaker 1: crops failing, which brought with it destruction of famine and
Speaker 1: pestilence and death, which also brought with it lower temperatures
Speaker 1: which brought an ice age of the sorts, which obviously
Speaker 1: killed all the crops, and people turning against one another.
Speaker 1: This was just a terrible time to be alive, and
Speaker 1: it's very well documented in history. We have lots of
Speaker 1: evidence of this is I'm not making this sub You
Speaker 1: can go and research this yourself with a simple Google
Speaker 1: search right now. But I'm saying five point thirty six AD,
Speaker 1: and then something similar happened in the seventh century, something
Speaker 1: similar seems to happen in the first century. They're not
Speaker 1: three separate events. They are one event that happened all
Speaker 1: at once that modern historians have separated into seven hundred
Speaker 1: years spread out gonna. Heinsen's making it clear there was Rome,
Speaker 1: something happened that just stopped everything. And then next thing
Speaker 1: we know after that, christendom, a thousand year Byzantine Empire,
Speaker 1: monasteries building everywhere, total domination of Christianity just takes over
Speaker 1: the whole earth. Now, if you forget the numbers and
Speaker 1: just think of that chronology, that sounds like Christ comes,
Speaker 1: dies and sacrifice, raise from the dead, and then sudden
Speaker 1: destruction comes, tribulation, chaos like never be seen four population
Speaker 1: wiped out, and then a massive explosion immediately after a
Speaker 1: Christian them that sounds to me like tribulation and the
Speaker 1: establishment of a thousand year reign of Christ on Earth.
Speaker 1: It's all happened in our past. It's just the timeline
Speaker 1: is a mess and has been made up and mixed up,
Speaker 1: and we've been lied to basically. Like I said, I'm
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist as well, I'm not just a Christian.
Speaker 1: So this is how I get to these conclusions, you know.
Speaker 1: But the main mainline Christianity church reality as I call it,
Speaker 1: will not have anything that I've just said. They won't
Speaker 1: have been a humorate because they're waiting for Christ to
Speaker 1: still return. You know. But if what I'm saying is true,
Speaker 1: and I implore you just look into it, please, this
Speaker 1: changes everything like a big in a big way, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, of course, so the the claim was that, all right, well,
Speaker 2: so shouldn't the rapture have occurred too? Then?
Speaker 1: Well, the rapture is actually a very new, a new doctrine.
Speaker 1: It's not as old as you think it is. It
Speaker 1: was started about the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: So you don't believe a rapture.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's a fix. That's a modern fiction.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1: The may they may there may have been a time
Speaker 1: where Paul kind of promised the people when he was around, saying,
Speaker 1: you know, don't worry too much about missing out on
Speaker 1: the millennial kingdom. If you die before Jesus comes back,
Speaker 1: you'll still get to be you'll get put in a
Speaker 1: holding cell in heaven, and you'll get to come back
Speaker 1: onto the earth and reign with Christ for a thousand years.
Speaker 1: Even if that does happen. That's and they've kind of
Speaker 1: taken that message from Paul and made a whole doctrine
Speaker 1: out of it, where it's like well, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: whisked up into the clouds before anything bad happens, and
Speaker 1: I get to come back down after all the terrible
Speaker 1: stuff is over with. You know, that is a complete
Speaker 1: I cannot even I need to stress that is not
Speaker 1: as old as you think it is. That belief system,
Speaker 1: it was formalized in the eighteen hundred. Just look into it.
Speaker 1: It's a lie, not a lie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know that.
Speaker 3: You know, religious doctrine has manipulated all the time, so
Speaker 3: it doesn't surprise me. All right, So assuming that this
Speaker 3: additional time frame has indeed been in installed, assuming that
Speaker 3: you're right and that shouldn't have happened, what year is it?
Speaker 1: Well, so I subscribe to the gunner heinsen seven hundred
Speaker 1: years is missing. I think he's right because I've kind
Speaker 1: of heard them all out any way, and I can
Speaker 1: see the justifications for men who had for a thousand years,
Speaker 1: because what he did is look at like human events
Speaker 1: in history, like the plague in the thirteen hundreds, okay
Speaker 1: in Europe, and then if you look back to let's
Speaker 1: say three hundred four hundred, there's a plague there as well.
Speaker 1: And he's saying, no, that's the same plague just been
Speaker 1: separated by a thousand years, and that seems to happen
Speaker 1: quite a lot. That's the thing, because I think that's
Speaker 1: because he's discovering were kind of like the trickery has
Speaker 1: been a play, you know, for the history writers, because
Speaker 1: we have to understand a lot of people don't realize
Speaker 1: as well. Our chronology was formalized in the sixteen hundreds
Speaker 1: by two Gesuit brothers called the Scallengers, the Scallenger Brothers.
Speaker 1: It was written, it's all written by them, and they
Speaker 1: basically went back in time and made a chronology from
Speaker 1: the sixteen hundreds to explain where we are today for
Speaker 1: the Enlightenment, for the instruct of the Enlightenment period, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's actually quite a new timeline we have, and
Speaker 1: what we keep discovering through archaeological discoveries is that it
Speaker 1: doesn't match what we was told. None of it lines up.
Speaker 1: So what they try and do is make it match.
Speaker 1: As a result, we have a lot of discrepancies here
Speaker 1: and there. But Gonna Heinzen went through the discrepancies. Basically
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, it seems like there isn't seven hundred
Speaker 1: years here that we've been told there, let's just take
Speaker 1: it away. So what happened when in the zero let's
Speaker 1: say zero to one century, we can move that forward.
Speaker 1: That was actually what we called the eighth century. Okay, realistically,
Speaker 1: but if you want to move it back in time,
Speaker 1: just take seven one hundred years off twenty twenty five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's actually, yes, that's where we actually are. So
Speaker 1: that means let's say the Millennial Kingdom and all.
Speaker 2: Those it was supposed to only reign for a thousand years,
Speaker 2: so we're already past that.
Speaker 1: This was what I'm saying. Yeah, so let's say the
Speaker 1: five thirty six destruction horrible tribulation like event I described
Speaker 1: in five thirty six, that actually happened in about seventy
Speaker 1: seven AD something like that. Okay, then let's go from
Speaker 1: seventy seven AD to ten seventy seven. Okay, let's go
Speaker 1: from there. That's a thousand years, and then since then
Speaker 1: we've been in the little season for about two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty years or so. That's roughly what we're going
Speaker 1: for here. And that lines up with and this is
Speaker 1: the thing that your Rogan and Eddie brother were talking about.
Speaker 1: Your Statue of Liberty, for example, it looks identical to Lucifer,
Speaker 1: the painting of Lucifer Okay, where he has his arm
Speaker 1: in the air and he has that feminine masculine face
Speaker 1: staring straight ahead and broken a broken chain on the
Speaker 1: ankle okay to represent he is free from his prison.
Speaker 1: The statue of Liberty also has this exact same thing
Speaker 1: on their ankle, a broken chain holding the fire. The
Speaker 1: torch is a Prometheus symbol, you know, the man who
Speaker 1: stole the fire from the gods and tried to give
Speaker 1: it to a humanity. It's Lucifer's always represented as the
Speaker 1: light Bringer, you know, is the one who tried to
Speaker 1: free mankind from the prisons of an evil god by
Speaker 1: giving them knowledge in the Garden of Eden. You know,
Speaker 1: that type of Gnostic worldview. But Lucifer, this statue obviously,
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six was Independence Day, where independence and freedom
Speaker 1: from the old establishment was given over to people. You know,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, symbolically speaking, this is actually Satan's independence
Speaker 1: or freedom from the past tyranny of Christ's millennial reign,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, worthy where it's now his
Speaker 1: turn type of thing is symbolically it's all there, but
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six. You know, take seven hundred years off
Speaker 1: of that, it's ten seventy six. Like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: it's the same.
Speaker 3: I just want I just wanted to show my audience
Speaker 3: to the face of the Statue of Liberty because most
Speaker 3: people haven't seen it up close, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a pretty uh I don't know any nose on
Speaker 3: any woman, Well, poor jaw, that's that's strong.
Speaker 1: Just type in Statue of Liberty Lucifer painting to show that. Ima.
Speaker 1: It's just just just for posterities so they can see
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking out my ass here and making
Speaker 1: it so you.
Speaker 2: Know, it's Stutue of Liberty and then what what else?
Speaker 1: Just putting Lucifer painting. It's a very famous it's a
Speaker 1: very famous painting from about the sixteen hundreds. And they
Speaker 1: put them side. Someone will have put them side by
Speaker 1: side somewhere. It's a very common search term.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah for sure, I got it right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty fucking exact. Dude.
Speaker 1: It's scary, isn't it. Even the middle parting is there
Speaker 1: in a way, you know what I mean? It's kind
Speaker 1: of yah. But then they both in the painting and
Speaker 1: then the statue. They both have a broken chain on
Speaker 1: the rankle as well. So they've been freed. Lucifer has
Speaker 1: been freed from the pit, you know, He's been let
Speaker 1: loose from his thousand year in prison, you know. And
Speaker 1: it seems like the establishment of America, a new Babylon,
Speaker 1: New Rome, was a celebration of that freedom, you know.
Speaker 3: And this coincides exactly what the fucking start of the
Speaker 3: United States of America.
Speaker 1: Well, seventeen twenty six just takes seven hundred years off
Speaker 1: of that. It's ten seventy six, like I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: which is about a thousand years after the structure of
Speaker 1: the temple, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's all kind of you're saying that the little
Speaker 3: season begins with the founding of America.
Speaker 1: It seems that way. It seems that way. Yeah, Well
Speaker 1: that's one. It is very concerning because I'm not saying
Speaker 1: this is easy to digest, but we're finding weird stuff
Speaker 1: like this all the time. Like we've been doing this
Speaker 1: for over a year now. We have mountains of these
Speaker 1: examples where it just keeps happening. Weird stuff like this
Speaker 1: just keeps happening, you know. And it's kind of it's
Speaker 1: getting weird. Now.
Speaker 3: I gotta ask, so you're you're are you are you
Speaker 3: under the I mean, do you believe that that the
Speaker 3: United States of America is in some way indicative of
Speaker 3: Satan's rule?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it used to be. I think
Speaker 1: the whole earth used to be under Christ's reign and
Speaker 1: the Saints rain and all these wonderful buildings you have
Speaker 1: in America which don't make any sense. By the way,
Speaker 1: when you look into the history of America, how the
Speaker 1: hell did people with horses and carriages, supposedly trying to
Speaker 1: build a new world, starving you know, spaghetti Western style
Speaker 1: worlds with wooden shacks, build these insane governmental monumental buildings
Speaker 1: with pillars and all the rest of it, not if
Speaker 1: it makes any sense. You know, Joe from j C follows.
Speaker 1: JC is really good at going through the architecture of
Speaker 1: America and just showing this, this is a lie. This
Speaker 1: is all a lie. And we have these things called
Speaker 1: the world Firs in like the late eighteen hundreds, you know,
Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, where it seems like they were going
Speaker 1: into these beautiful parts that were built out that don't
Speaker 1: make sense of the historical narrative, and they were claiming
Speaker 1: it was a spectacle of modern ingiduity for America and
Speaker 1: all this type of thing, and then next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: they destroy them afterwards. And it's kind of with these
Speaker 1: just cover up stories to destroy this old world architecture,
Speaker 1: it seems more likely because they don't fit into the
Speaker 1: new narrative, the new timeline America was likely something else
Speaker 1: before all of this, you know. And it seems like
Speaker 1: there was a takeover of a lot of kingdoms, even
Speaker 1: all the kingdoms of the Earth were taken over by
Speaker 1: secret societies. And we can get into the secret societies
Speaker 1: and what they're all about, you know, but it seems
Speaker 1: like that time period is when the very Illuminati was
Speaker 1: created seventeen seventy six. It's so it's when there was
Speaker 1: a boom of this free Masonry type secret society.
Speaker 3: And that's undeniable if you look into the founders and
Speaker 3: and the oh yeah, architecture, the currency, there's so much
Speaker 3: and also the secrecy with which they plotted the revolution
Speaker 3: definitely seems as if it was a secret society. And honestly,
Speaker 3: I've always looked at that as a good thing because
Speaker 3: how are you gonna, you know, beat back England if
Speaker 3: you're not functioning in the in the you know, the
Speaker 3: dead of night. But what what do you what is
Speaker 3: your belief as to what they were doing?
Speaker 2: Well? Who? Who really knows?
Speaker 1: Because even George Washington has been elevated to the level
Speaker 1: of a god since all of that. The apotheosis of
Speaker 1: George Washington, I think is like a painting on the
Speaker 1: White House or something like that. But I feel like
Speaker 1: it was more of a a when Rice and his
Speaker 1: saints receded to the camp of Saints and were no
Speaker 1: longer on doing their thing as it had been for
Speaker 1: so long. I think there was a power vacuum left behind,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of countries and leaders and
Speaker 1: kings tried to fill that power vacuum by killing and
Speaker 1: fighting each other, naming each other's civil war after civil war,
Speaker 1: a destruction of Europe and America and the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Brother against brother. Man basically fell back into his basic
Speaker 1: state of sin, just did what man does best and
Speaker 1: tried to fight for power and control. But I also
Speaker 1: think secret societies had been around all throughout the Millennial
Speaker 1: reign who didn't agree with Christ or his rule, but
Speaker 1: they couldn't do anything about it because Jesus Christ is
Speaker 1: right there, the son of God. What are you supposed
Speaker 1: to do? You know, his kind of So they went underground,
Speaker 1: and I think they became real secret societies that maintained
Speaker 1: the Luciferian mystery wisdom schools, which many secret sciities still
Speaker 1: follow today, like a form of gnostic Kabbala type of worldview,
Speaker 1: you know, which is obviously not allowed during a reign
Speaker 1: of Christ because his paganism basically extra steps and Satanism.
Speaker 1: It's Luciferianism. Even today we can read the writings of
Speaker 1: Albert Pike, thirty third degree Mason, member of the Odd
Speaker 1: Fellows as well prominence, you know, order of the Scottish Reich,
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, we worship Lucifer. He is our
Speaker 1: God at the end of the day. It's very black
Speaker 1: or white writing, very clearly, doesn't even hide it because
Speaker 1: he knows not many people even going to look anyway.
Speaker 1: So when you see a statue of Lucifer suddenly get
Speaker 1: erected in this establishment of a new Kingdom, which is
Speaker 1: especially lines up exactly with the end of the Millennial reign,
Speaker 1: then you have to wonder who took control and who
Speaker 1: won that power vacuum war in America and established their
Speaker 1: kingdom afterwards in honor of their God, who's now free
Speaker 1: from the pit. Who are there following, and they're going
Speaker 1: to go along with because it's kind of like you've
Speaker 1: been waiting for a thousand years for Christ to disappear
Speaker 1: in your God to come out. You're gonna be there
Speaker 1: with the upen arms saying, look what we've made for you.
Speaker 1: We've we've prepared the way for you. This is your world. Now,
Speaker 1: let us be your minions, and we'll reap the rewards,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's what being a freemason and a
Speaker 1: member of a secret society years, it's networking for rewards.
Speaker 1: You know, you playing the game, you know you win.
Speaker 3: Such this is very interesting to me because I've always
Speaker 3: you know, this is my kind of novice understanding of history, obviously,
Speaker 3: but I've always perceived the foundation of America and so
Speaker 3: many like religious but primarily Christian refugees of persecution were
Speaker 3: flooding into the New World and founding this this new land.
Speaker 3: And I've always looked at America as basically like this
Speaker 3: bastion of safety and security for persecuted Christians. But if
Speaker 3: your if you're correct, and your argument is that this
Speaker 3: is in fact the foundation of I guess Satan's layer almost,
Speaker 3: then that seems that seems to conflict with my perception
Speaker 3: of things.
Speaker 2: So well, how wrong am i?
Speaker 1: First of all, Satan and his secret sites are different
Speaker 1: from normal people, normal god fearing, good people. Okay, so
Speaker 1: separate that. Not everyone's a member of a secret of sites,
Speaker 1: of people that just out there to live day to
Speaker 1: day and just get to the next day, you know,
Speaker 1: and to live for the family and love. And most
Speaker 1: people generally try to be good and just do the
Speaker 1: best they can for the loved ones and do what's
Speaker 1: right for them. And I said, escaping famine and wars
Speaker 1: and poverty to a new land seems hopeful. Then of
Speaker 1: course you're going to make that choice, aren't you, for
Speaker 1: what's best for you and your family. It's just the
Speaker 1: hidden hand behind all of these things had other agendas.
Speaker 1: And you can't deny that. The American people have been
Speaker 1: experimented on, probably more than any populous all around the earth,
Speaker 1: with many my control and medical and name name and industry.
Speaker 1: They've tested it on you first for anywhere else, you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of and it's you reap the benefits of
Speaker 1: being an American citizen though, and it is excess comforts,
Speaker 1: the dream, you know, and the rest of it. So
Speaker 1: there's benefits for being a part of the world. And
Speaker 1: America is all about freedom and being a part of
Speaker 1: the world, you know, in a sense, and pursuing your
Speaker 1: ability to make it big and be a celebrity or
Speaker 1: famous or rich or whatever it is and have the
Speaker 1: big house and the land and the perfect life. And
Speaker 1: that's exactly thing of the world when you really think
Speaker 1: about it. And Jesus Christ is not of this world.
Speaker 1: Is kingdom, It's not of this world. You can't take
Speaker 1: your money with you after this, he was saying, sell
Speaker 1: all your things if you want to follow me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He was a completely different idea.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, people fundamentally are just doing
Speaker 1: what's best for their families. So I'm not disparaging citizens
Speaker 1: of America, whom I as a British person to talk
Speaker 1: bad about Americans, what do I know, you know, But
Speaker 1: it's kind of in a way, I am the America
Speaker 1: because you do seem to have a lot more freedoms
Speaker 1: right now than the rest of the world. But that's
Speaker 1: kind of how the devil gets you. He gets you
Speaker 1: with comfort. He doesn't get you with submission. He gets
Speaker 1: you with distraction. He keeps you happy, he keeps you fat.
Speaker 1: It's bread and circuses of Rome, you know, and just
Speaker 1: be wary of that. But I'm not saying the people
Speaker 1: of America are necessarily evil or doing that.
Speaker 2: I didn't take it. I wasn't taking it that way.
Speaker 3: But what I was saying is that, you know, obviously,
Speaker 3: the majority of people that were fighting back against England
Speaker 3: were Christian, and they were you know, for many of them,
Speaker 3: they were fighting for what amounted to kind of a
Speaker 3: Christian safe space or Christian homeland. Yeah, And what I'm
Speaker 3: arguing is that if you're if you're correct, and basically
Speaker 3: they were fighting on the side of the devil.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think a lot of the history yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: perhaps a lot of them unknowingly, Yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: a lot of history have been told about that time
Speaker 1: period is actually a lie as well. I think it's
Speaker 1: written by the winners, you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, and they can write whatever they want about
Speaker 1: what happened during that time. All the witnesses are dead.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter anymore, you know. So I think we
Speaker 1: have to be just taking a bit of our modern
Speaker 1: history from the sixteen hundreds to now with a pinch
Speaker 1: of salt. I'm not saying things didn't happen that have
Speaker 1: been documented, but I'm saying they've been heavily spun in
Speaker 1: the victors.
Speaker 3: You know, there was a revolutionary war, though, I mean
Speaker 3: it's all fictitious.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, not at all. Something was again power struggles,
Speaker 1: and we talk about the British Empire and it has
Speaker 1: a bad rap, you know, it's been it's said to
Speaker 1: be quiet, domineering in a way, you know, and and
Speaker 1: you know they said the son never and the British
Speaker 1: Empire at one point, but we pretty much give it
Speaker 1: all back. Now. What are we now but entirely tiny
Speaker 1: island nation and we're losing grip with reality day by day,
Speaker 1: you know, So we're not what we used to be.
Speaker 1: But I think I think in a way that story
Speaker 1: that you know, the Revolutionary was just about kicking the
Speaker 1: British out. It's kind of like, well, what did the
Speaker 1: British represent at the time. It was a kingdom, okay,
Speaker 1: and we can think about kingdom ideology and what the
Speaker 1: kings of a millennial reign would have had that right
Speaker 1: to rule given to them. About Jesus Christ himself during
Speaker 1: his kingdom and his reign, he would have had his
Speaker 1: emissaries below him.
Speaker 2: So you believe the king George was an emissary to Christ.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily because he was a Freemason. He was a
Speaker 1: member of the Odd Fellows. Funny enough, But I've looked
Speaker 1: into it, but I think, I think, I think there
Speaker 1: was a transition period at the end of the Millennial
Speaker 1: kingdom where things started getting corrupted very quickly. I think
Speaker 1: people knew the time was coming where Satan was going
Speaker 1: to be released. And we've described it as like the
Speaker 1: wane of the rain. It didn't go out with a bank,
Speaker 1: it went out with a whimper. It slowly degraded. The
Speaker 1: morality got taken away slowly. Bad actors got into positions
Speaker 1: of power in preparation for what's to come next. Things
Speaker 1: started to just golf was.
Speaker 2: Christ Was Christ here for the full thousand years?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Was he actually present or is it just his hand?
Speaker 3: His spirit, his influence is amongst the people. I'm just
Speaker 3: trying to understand.
Speaker 1: It's for speculation. Even our group isn't a monolith on this.
Speaker 1: Either he was walking around making visits every now and then,
Speaker 1: doing rounds the new cathedral that's just been built that
Speaker 1: was dedicated to his saint or something. Perhaps he did
Speaker 1: a walk America every now and then, or come off
Speaker 1: his throne in Mountain Zion in the middle of the
Speaker 1: earth in Juru, New Jerusalem and go say hi to
Speaker 1: people and do it make his appearances. Perhaps, or it
Speaker 1: was he was ruling spiritually from heaven next to his
Speaker 1: the right hand of the Father, and his saints were
Speaker 1: doing his earthly work for him on his behalf. You know,
Speaker 1: the physical work was done by the saints, but the
Speaker 1: all answers to Christ in heaven. I've heard that as well.
Speaker 1: But if you read the Book of Zachariah, it talks
Speaker 1: about this time of the Millennial reign quite clearly, and
Speaker 1: it's saying a path will be for pilgrimages north, for
Speaker 1: people to go and pay homage every sixty years to
Speaker 1: the King, to Jesus Christ in his beloved city in
Speaker 1: New Jerusalem Mountain Zion, and those countries who do not
Speaker 1: make the appropriate pilgrimage will suffer drought, okay, And it
Speaker 1: turns out that third of the earth is desert today.
Speaker 1: You have to wonder how that happened. We're told it's
Speaker 1: because of the sun, but maybe it's because those are
Speaker 1: the regions that rebelled against Christ even during his reign
Speaker 1: and refused to bow down, like the Middle East desert
Speaker 1: we have today, which predominantly is Muslim bran, you know.
Speaker 1: And dominated is likely why they have such a deserted, barren,
Speaker 1: horrible tundra of a place to live is because they
Speaker 1: created a pagan, separate religion from Christ against him during
Speaker 1: that time. You know. He wasn't all sunshine and lollipops
Speaker 1: during the millennial rain, but compared to the rest of
Speaker 1: human history after and before, it was peace on earth
Speaker 1: by any stretch of the imagination, you know. And we
Speaker 1: call it the Dark Ages today we call it the
Speaker 1: Medieval period, you know, we call it time of and
Speaker 1: we don't really know much about what happened during that
Speaker 1: time a thousand years where Christianity ruled and humanity just
Speaker 1: didn't progress. Yet we look at the architecture of that time.
Speaker 1: It's incredible, it's impeccable. It's Gothic, it's beautiful, it's grand,
Speaker 1: it's ornate, it's perfect in every way. It is quite
Speaker 1: literally sound in frequency, manifest physical, right, it's beyond all comprehension,
Speaker 1: And it's kind of okay, So you're telling me people
Speaker 1: who were literally living in mud huts and whipping themselves
Speaker 1: and flagulating themselves and no knowledge, couldn't read or anything,
Speaker 1: we're building these things. Is that what you're telling me?
Speaker 3: You know, wasn't it Da Vinci or Michaelangelo that was
Speaker 3: actually basically creating the science by which we understood that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: sound and resonation was how not just art worked, but
Speaker 3: how human you know, physiognomy worked and everything else like it.
Speaker 3: Didn't that all come from that period?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, well yeah, the scientific thought of that
Speaker 1: period wasn't like how us today We call it mystical today,
Speaker 1: you know, but they understood things like frequency, sound, healing,
Speaker 1: waters and vibrations and all that type of thing. They're
Speaker 1: all talking about it then just like we do now.
Speaker 1: They just had like magical language for it, because we
Speaker 1: just use scientific language today to describe the same things.
Speaker 1: But it's like you look at some of these things
Speaker 1: on these old stone buildings or the way they're like shaped,
Speaker 1: and you compare them to how we put transistors and
Speaker 1: electrical pylons up today. You can actually see parallels in
Speaker 1: the design and structure. It's just they had a different
Speaker 1: way of doing it because it's theorized that they were
Speaker 1: pulling electricity and power straight from the ether. They weren't
Speaker 1: burning things like we were. And these cathedrals that oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: these cathedrals. We see these old buildings, especially specifically the
Speaker 1: more Gothic ones, which came after the Roman architecture, which was,
Speaker 1: by the way, it only started getting built during the
Speaker 1: medieval period, the thousand years, you know. Prior to that,
Speaker 1: it's all Roman architecture. Then Gothic just appears randomly, and
Speaker 1: it's just far superior to whatever what came prior to it,
Speaker 1: you know. But you look at it and it's kind
Speaker 1: of like these things are perfect resonant frequency harnessing generators
Speaker 1: of some kind. A cathedral and a cathode are basically
Speaker 1: one in the same thing, you know, the energy holders
Speaker 1: in some way, or frequency holders. And this is what
Speaker 1: Tartarian researchers are all going off of. This is what
Speaker 1: people who want to deny Christ but try and we
Speaker 1: can clearly. See there was an ancient civilization that just
Speaker 1: had advanced technology through antiqua tech, antique technology, you know,
Speaker 1: and these buildings and these antennas. It's kind of well,
Speaker 1: it's a Tartarian empire, we'll call it, and tartari. Tartari
Speaker 1: just means more land. They don't really know what's there,
Speaker 1: so they call it tartari. You know. But if you
Speaker 1: actually apply a biblical lens to it, we have one
Speaker 1: answer to explain all of this, and it's the millennial
Speaker 1: reign of Christ. And so it works, you know.
Speaker 3: Yes, so you have the millennial rain, it ends, then
Speaker 3: you have the little season? Is what is the little season?
Speaker 3: How long is that? Do we have any idea how
Speaker 3: long that expanses?
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't know we know what comes next? Yes, war, so.
Speaker 2: I read, haven't we had a shitload of that?
Speaker 1: Oh not like not like this? This is ok this
Speaker 1: is it, this is the big one.
Speaker 2: This is okay.
Speaker 3: Well that's what about half of my show has been about,
Speaker 3: as my concerns over World War three.
Speaker 2: So that that doesn't make.
Speaker 1: Well, well, no, well, do you want to get up
Speaker 1: Revelation twenty and or read the last Passages together? Just
Speaker 1: so you can get clear what the revelation, Revelation twenty,
Speaker 1: what all this is based on. So this is biblical.
Speaker 1: I'm not just making this up right. Somebody has to
Speaker 1: live in the little season. It could be us, is
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: Someone's living during that time. Whether you like it or not,
Speaker 1: someone is going to live during that time. This it
Speaker 1: could be us. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3: So it says the a thousand years and I saw
Speaker 3: an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key
Speaker 3: to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.
Speaker 3: He sees the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the
Speaker 3: devil or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
Speaker 3: He threw him into the Abyss and locked and sealed
Speaker 3: it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations
Speaker 3: in more until the thousand years were ended. After that
Speaker 3: he must be set free for a short time. I
Speaker 3: saw thrones on which were seated those who had been
Speaker 3: given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of
Speaker 3: those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about
Speaker 3: Jesus and because of the word of God. They had
Speaker 3: not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not
Speaker 3: received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They
Speaker 3: came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Speaker 3: The rest of the dead did not come to life
Speaker 3: until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
Speaker 3: Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection.
Speaker 3: The second death has no power over them, but they
Speaker 3: will be priests of God and of Christ and will
Speaker 3: reign with him for a thousand years. Should I continue
Speaker 3: or yeah?
Speaker 1: So, just to quickly explain that the first chapter is
Speaker 1: talking about the end of tribulation. The devil's locked up
Speaker 1: by Michael. He's taken and bound in chains. Okay, in
Speaker 1: the abyss wherever that is, I say underwaters some I
Speaker 1: don't know what the abysses. It could be anywhere on
Speaker 1: earth or even in heaven or something something symbolic. But
Speaker 1: he's out of the picture. Okay. Then for a thousand years,
Speaker 1: those who died for Christ during Tribulation were beheaded for
Speaker 1: his namesake or refuse to take the mark and suffered persecution.
Speaker 1: They're resurrected and get to rule with him for that
Speaker 1: thousand years. Where the devil's chained up. That's all that
Speaker 1: was explaining there that there is a bit there about
Speaker 1: the resurrection, and the NIV you were reading is put
Speaker 1: in brackets and the rest of the dead don't live
Speaker 1: again until the thousand years has ended. Okay, that's not
Speaker 1: the first resurrection, which afterwards, outside of the brackets it
Speaker 1: says this is the first resurrection. But that's just talking
Speaker 1: about the saints who died and get to rule with
Speaker 1: Christ are the first resurrection. There is another one who come,
Speaker 1: and all we're told about that other ones who come
Speaker 1: is that it's after the thousand years. But let's keep
Speaker 1: reading first of all, so we can read the next half.
Speaker 1: But that's that summarized, and that's just explaining the saints
Speaker 1: I was telling you about who gets a rule for
Speaker 1: those thousand years with Christ on earth. So this is
Speaker 1: the next bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: It continues the judgment of Satan. When the thousand years
Speaker 3: are over, Satan will be released from his prison and
Speaker 3: will go out to deceive the nations in the four
Speaker 3: corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, and to gather
Speaker 3: them for battle. In number, they are like the sand
Speaker 3: of the seashore. They marched across the breath of the
Speaker 3: earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city
Speaker 3: he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
Speaker 3: And the devil who deceived them was thrown at the
Speaker 3: Lake of burning soul. For where the beast and the
Speaker 3: false prophet had been thrown, they will be tormented day
Speaker 3: and night, forever and ever the judgment of the dead.
Speaker 3: Then I saw a great white throne, and him who
Speaker 3: was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled
Speaker 3: from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Speaker 3: And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before
Speaker 3: the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened,
Speaker 3: which is the Book of Life. The dead were judged
Speaker 3: according to what they had done as recorded.
Speaker 2: In the books.
Speaker 3: The sea gave up the dead that were in it,
Speaker 3: and Death and Hades gave up the dead that were
Speaker 3: in them. And each person was judged according to what
Speaker 3: they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into
Speaker 3: the Lake of fire. The lake of fire is the
Speaker 3: second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in
Speaker 3: the Book of Life was thrown into the Lake of fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a pretty typical Christian if you don't
Speaker 1: make it and you haven't accepted Christ by that point,
Speaker 1: then yeah, you're you're going the way of the Lake
Speaker 1: of Fire. That's the situation, whether you like it or not,
Speaker 1: you know, but that was explaining there quite clearly. There's
Speaker 1: a thousand year period. He's released, and he gathers an
Speaker 1: army in this time where he deceives all the nations.
Speaker 1: We I believe are living in the most deceived time
Speaker 1: of humanity, where every single nation is being turned against
Speaker 1: each other in every single way. If this isn't the
Speaker 1: little season of Satan, I have no idea what we're
Speaker 1: living in. But the only time frame I can imagine
Speaker 1: where this works where the devil is in full swing
Speaker 1: having a go at it control, is now, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's what that seems to fit the bill. They're
Speaker 1: described in Revelation twenty, chapter seven, where we are dealing
Speaker 1: with a time where Satan is out to gather an
Speaker 1: army and he's going to convince that army to go
Speaker 1: and make war with the Camp of Saints whatever that
Speaker 1: is his beloved city. Now, a lot of people have
Speaker 1: tried to argue loads of what that means history, what's
Speaker 1: got to be Israel just well, that's that's yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: say that that's what they say. But I'm what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is that's a red herring, that's a misnomer, because
Speaker 1: that doesn't even exist anymore. There's such thing as a
Speaker 1: nation state of Israel. We are all the body of Christ,
Speaker 1: we are all Israel in Christ now, and there's no
Speaker 1: need for a temple anymore because we are we are
Speaker 1: the Temple of God now, and the Holy Spirit dwells
Speaker 1: in us. So Christianity and modern Judaism are odds with
Speaker 1: each other massively. There's not such thing as a Judeo Christian.
Speaker 1: I don't care whereon say that's an oxymoron, you know.
Speaker 1: But these people in the Middle East who are doing
Speaker 1: what we're seeing today with the red heifers and all
Speaker 1: that nonsense not biblical. No third temple needs to be built.
Speaker 1: We've already had the Temple. It's been destroyed, the sacrifices,
Speaker 1: and the abomination of destillation has already happened. We're all
Speaker 1: done with that. But what they're trying to do is
Speaker 1: recreate what looks like pre tribulation stuff. It seems like
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of like the conm under they're trying
Speaker 1: to convince everybody Christ is still yet to come. So
Speaker 1: they're doing whatever they can with all the resources, all
Speaker 1: of their media control, everything they've got under the bell,
Speaker 1: all the money, all the control. They're playing a play
Speaker 1: out for us. And it looks like tribulation, but it's not.
Speaker 1: It's a lie, okay, And I imagine what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: at some point. This is me theorizing. Now, this is
Speaker 1: one of my theories that I've thrown into this. But
Speaker 1: what would convince the whole earth to come together as one?
Speaker 1: Do you remember what we've been told? Remember Reagan's speech
Speaker 1: by any chance, from like the eighties, Do you remember
Speaker 1: he said, Oh, aliens, aliens, that's right, that's the only
Speaker 1: thing that could bring all of humanity to be of
Speaker 1: one mind, to come together as one army and go
Speaker 1: make war with something, right, independent state, A giant mothership
Speaker 1: just rocks up out of nowhere? Right, what does everyone
Speaker 1: think immediately? We're under attack by aliens. There's no other
Speaker 1: way to interpret such an event. We've been thoroughly programmed
Speaker 1: for that through the media. Thoroughly. You know that every
Speaker 1: single alien film is about sudden attack from mothership. All
Speaker 1: humanity survives, the first wave comes together as one drops
Speaker 1: all the difference and goes to make a counter attack
Speaker 1: before it has its next attack, and humanity wins through
Speaker 1: their perseverance and dropping all the differences and putting the
Speaker 1: petty differences aside, such as race and money and land
Speaker 1: and borders or whatever, you know, all comes together as one. Well,
Speaker 1: that sounds to me like Satan gathering an army from
Speaker 1: all four corners of the earth to go and make
Speaker 1: war with a floating city coming down from heaven. But
Speaker 1: we think it's another ship.
Speaker 3: Oh so you think that that's a that's a trip man.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a great theory.
Speaker 3: So you think that we will essentially be attacking like
Speaker 3: Christ's army upon their return.
Speaker 1: The Camp of Saints. So something in the north. It's
Speaker 1: going to be in the north more likely, and it's
Speaker 1: probably already been there. I think what Canada is hidden
Speaker 1: right now under a force field barrier or something, you know.
Speaker 1: But I feel like the city. I feel like the city,
Speaker 1: at some point in the north Pole is going to
Speaker 1: become visible again, and the government's preparing the earth for
Speaker 1: that eventuality, because that's that's go time. Then that's like right,
Speaker 1: it's all now, you.
Speaker 3: Know, that's interesting because uh, you know, I didn't. I
Speaker 3: guess I just have a different angle on this, and
Speaker 3: maybe this is just my own bias, but it does
Speaker 3: seem as if, yes, we are at odds with one
Speaker 3: another in a way that's you know, very stark.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that it's necessarily more significant than it
Speaker 3: was in the nineteen forties, but it's it's approaching that
Speaker 3: threshold and certainly could surpass it. What I find most fascinating,
Speaker 3: And you know, you, being in the UK, you may
Speaker 3: be able to give me additional insight into this. But
Speaker 3: the unbelievable propaganda and the successful propaganda in making it
Speaker 3: seem as if, you know, this is not just a
Speaker 3: border dispute amongst the Ukrainians and the Russians, but rather
Speaker 3: this is the beginning of the end, that this is
Speaker 3: the first Domino, and then Poland falls and then blank
Speaker 3: blank blank blank blank, and then the rest of the
Speaker 3: rest of Europe is all under Putin aka modern Stalin
Speaker 3: slash Hitler's you know, Reign of Terror, and so so
Speaker 3: my my, like, my initial thought would have been, there's
Speaker 3: not some hidden city that's up in the Antartic or whatever,
Speaker 3: but or the North Pole. But rather this is the
Speaker 3: this is the beginning of the Great War, and because
Speaker 3: there's nuclear weapons involved, it would certainly be adequate to
Speaker 3: destroy all life on Earth. You don't think that that's.
Speaker 1: Likely, though, Well, I feel like a lot of the record,
Speaker 1: I hope it's not. Well, I feel like fear is
Speaker 1: the method of control, and as long as there's always
Speaker 1: the looming threat of nuclear war, everyone's going to pretty
Speaker 1: much do whatever they're told at any time, just in
Speaker 1: the hope that we can get through that and that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. And I'm starting to feel like that we
Speaker 1: have run a bit of a long con here and
Speaker 1: they don't actually have as much jurisdiction or control over
Speaker 1: us as they would like to think, because Christ is king,
Speaker 1: get in control and still here on earth. He never left,
Speaker 1: you know, It's just Satan's been let loose to go
Speaker 1: do his thing and has a mission to do.
Speaker 2: I suppose so I mist understood that.
Speaker 3: So so Christ did not leave after the thousand years,
Speaker 3: he's still no.
Speaker 1: Well, Christ is king, his kingdom is eternal, He's one
Speaker 1: was on the cross. It's over for Satan.
Speaker 3: You know, I thought, I thought, I thought that the
Speaker 3: little season was when Satan would rule.
Speaker 1: Though, well, in a way, it's kind of been given
Speaker 1: permission to rule. And you can find many speculator and
Speaker 1: reasons why that's the case. It's likely so those who well,
Speaker 1: there's many, there's there's two.
Speaker 2: Camps of tho mankind probably.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, yeah, whoever's left, they need to know live
Speaker 1: during a time where they could choose Satan or Christ.
Speaker 1: And the Gospel is the Bible's the most printed book
Speaker 1: on the earth. You cannot go around a corner without
Speaker 1: hearing about Jesus on this earth anymore. You've got a
Speaker 1: choice now, to make it quite clear, and we're living
Speaker 1: in the world where Satan is obviously in control. You
Speaker 1: just look at the hidden symbols everywhere. We know who
Speaker 1: controls this earth, and it's definitely the Devil. And they've
Speaker 1: made it very clear through their symbolism, overtly clear. In fact,
Speaker 1: secret societies run the earth. We all worship the Devil,
Speaker 1: we own everything. Okay, it's not even a secret anymore.
Speaker 1: It's a known known that everyone's over and the border
Speaker 1: of already is kind of okay, that's just the way
Speaker 1: it is, you know, And I think it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be like that, because it's supposed to be an obvious choice,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of this is kind of like the
Speaker 1: final harvest in a way. It's kind of like, right,
Speaker 1: so this is the last remnent of mankind on earth.
Speaker 1: Make a choice. This is it now. The time's almost up,
Speaker 1: you know, and we're making it clear, the times almost stup.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna everything will be known in the end
Speaker 1: and make a choice, you know. So I don't think
Speaker 1: there's gonna be many people thrown into the lake of
Speaker 1: fire in the end, because I think most people are
Speaker 1: gonna make the right choice, you know, face with the obvious.
Speaker 1: But it seems like that's one theory. Another theory is
Speaker 1: that this passage the rest of the dead in Revelation
Speaker 1: twenty verse seven. And by the way, this is not gospel.
Speaker 1: This is just a theory and idea, probably not even true,
Speaker 1: probably false, but it's worth mentioning that the rest of
Speaker 1: the dead are not resurrected till the thousand years has ended.
Speaker 1: Perhaps we are the rest of the dead coming into
Speaker 1: the earth now who have lived before Christ, and the
Speaker 1: rest of the dead are now coming into the earth,
Speaker 1: filling the earth today as souls coming into new bodies
Speaker 1: to live a second kind of like a second chance
Speaker 1: of resurrection. It's like, well, well, now you're going to
Speaker 1: live during a time where Christ is known because you
Speaker 1: lived before Christ, so you never had a choice. Really,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? It's give people, to
Speaker 1: give people.
Speaker 2: A first get a fair shake.
Speaker 1: I've heard that. I've heard that, but that is going
Speaker 1: into the realms of reincarnation stuff like this, which people
Speaker 1: Christian it's a big no no in the Christian world.
Speaker 1: But I believe, I believe my God is a god
Speaker 1: of resurrection and that is totally within his wheelhouse an
Speaker 1: ability to do, to resurrect the dead and give them
Speaker 1: another chance. That seems like what a fair, just God
Speaker 1: couldn't do, So I I it's not like constant coming
Speaker 1: back in until you make the right choice, so you
Speaker 1: get one more chance. It's kind of like you have
Speaker 1: one chance, you know. But then there's the other idea
Speaker 1: that everybody's dead until they accept Christ spiritually speaking, so
Speaker 1: the rest of the dead could just mean anybody prior
Speaker 1: who's never accepted Christ now has to just face judgment.
Speaker 1: So people, so it's either the resurrected at the start
Speaker 1: of a millennial reign or the resurrected at the end
Speaker 1: of the millennial of the little season, because no one
Speaker 1: really knows, you know, because it tell you when exactly
Speaker 1: the rest of the are resurrected. But we do have
Speaker 1: these passages that talk about final great White Throne judgment
Speaker 1: after that war we were talking about, and that's where
Speaker 1: all the dead are spat out of the earth and
Speaker 1: put before the throne of God. And that's when the
Speaker 1: judgment is made, you know. So people have said the
Speaker 1: rest of the dead living not again? Is that it's
Speaker 1: that judgment? So there's no resurrection during the little season?
Speaker 1: You know, that's just nonsense. So that's why I'm saying,
Speaker 1: we don't know what I've just said is true there,
Speaker 1: but that is those are the ideas going around of
Speaker 1: what is a little season even for? You know, why
Speaker 1: have you even have a little season. It seems like
Speaker 1: free will might be something to do with it, people
Speaker 1: giving people the choice. You have to have God and
Speaker 1: the devil. And it's easy when you're living during a
Speaker 1: millennial reign to accept Jesus because he's right there, you know,
Speaker 1: But what about when you don't have the obvious, when
Speaker 1: you can't touch the wounds on this under his rib
Speaker 1: You know what about when faith is truly involved, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think we are truly the people living in
Speaker 1: faith who have decided to go with the King, you know,
Speaker 1: with Jesus himself. So there's many reasons why a little season,
Speaker 1: and we're in the realms of speculation. We just know
Speaker 1: there is one and some people have to live during
Speaker 1: that time. It could be us, is what we're trying
Speaker 1: to say. And it seems like I'm saying a lot
Speaker 1: of things just seems to eerily be lining up with
Speaker 1: it in ways that are just tangential to it, parallel
Speaker 1: to it. Like I said, this UFU agenda, you know,
Speaker 1: it lines up with the idea of humanity coming together
Speaker 1: to fight back against evil aliens. Well, if we're in
Speaker 1: an enclosed system, you know, a biblical cosmological worldview, there
Speaker 1: isn't outer space, there's just where we are. Then aliens
Speaker 1: aren't real. So they need to convince people of the opposite.
Speaker 1: And during the little season, and what we taught that
Speaker 1: nothing but evolutionary theory and a vast infinite space. You know,
Speaker 1: there is no God. We evolve from slime out of
Speaker 1: a puddle, and if anything, we were seated by aliens
Speaker 1: from another planet perhaps or something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: And that is exactly what the devil would do during
Speaker 1: his short season. He would turn all of god creation
Speaker 1: on its head and teaches a false creation myth, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's all to justify that aliens will turn up
Speaker 1: at some point. And imagine, just imagine that playing gout.
Speaker 1: You know what if good aliens turn up first, you know,
Speaker 1: fallen angels pretending to be good angels pretending to good
Speaker 1: aliens from space, and they teach mankind loads of cool stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, and they help man kind of advance their
Speaker 1: evolutionary process to be like them or something. You just
Speaker 1: need to evolve a bit more and you can become
Speaker 1: like us and join the Galactic Federation or something, you know.
Speaker 1: So we'll give you the technology to do that. You know,
Speaker 1: everything I'm saying is a film you've heard somewhere in
Speaker 1: your life, right of course, you've heard You've heard everything
Speaker 1: twenty times. Yeah, it's the programming, okay, And then we
Speaker 1: accept that. And then so that I think is going
Speaker 1: to happen. Bad aliens turn up, okay, and suddenly UFOs
Speaker 1: fly out of nowhere and start zapping cities and killing people.
Speaker 1: Monsters come out of the ground and start ripping people apart.
Speaker 1: As soon as this mothership turns up, we start seeing
Speaker 1: all this horrible stuff happening, and we're going to blame
Speaker 1: the mothership. We're gonna think this thing's brought it's legion
Speaker 1: with it and it's killing us. You know. But what
Speaker 1: if the good Aliens are actually the ones attacking you
Speaker 1: and making it look like Christ is doing this in
Speaker 1: his mothership. But you don't know it's Christ. You think
Speaker 1: it's bad aliens suddenly rocking up, and the good aliens
Speaker 1: are going to help you defeat the army that's just
Speaker 1: come upon you and push back the first wave, you know.
Speaker 1: And now it's like, okay, everybody, now we really need
Speaker 1: to kick in to gear your evolutionary process if you
Speaker 1: have any chance of winning against this evil scourge of
Speaker 1: the universe that's been killing our galactic federation. You know,
Speaker 1: it's this is the last stand. Take our mark, take
Speaker 1: our chip, take our evolutionary transhumanists whatever you know, advance
Speaker 1: yourself to become like gods like us, and let's go
Speaker 1: and get them, you know. And that's I can see
Speaker 1: I can see that playing out in the future.
Speaker 3: Think about how I mean, you're putting people in such
Speaker 3: a tough spot because if they're if you're actually suffering
Speaker 3: simultaneous attacks all over the earth, and and then this
Speaker 3: mothership arrives, it's so natural for everyone to assume that
Speaker 3: that's that is the impetus for the attack, that that's
Speaker 3: where the attack is originating from. So you're asking for
Speaker 3: a tremendous amount of faith for people to not fight
Speaker 3: that being Like, my instinct, had I've never spoken to you, would.
Speaker 2: Be like, of course they're here to kill. What are
Speaker 2: you talking about?
Speaker 1: Well, how else would say and deceive all the nations?
Speaker 1: It has to be a big lie, a grand lie,
Speaker 1: such an all encompassing mind, all bending, what a tautological worldview.
Speaker 1: He has to have imbuede people with to accept that
Speaker 1: to go and fight with Jesus. You know, how are
Speaker 1: you going to go?
Speaker 2: People?
Speaker 1: It seems like an impossibility, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But when you realize why, that's how you that's the
Speaker 1: only way I can see it happening. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: just and that's just going off the obvious programming I've
Speaker 1: witnessed for ten years about aliens and Project Bluebeam and
Speaker 1: c or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has been deeply involved in in kind of
Speaker 3: concocting this this narrative. What I wanted to point out was,
Speaker 3: you know, oftentimes, you know, Biblical information is believed at
Speaker 3: least or interpreted to be you know, truncated or expanded based.
Speaker 2: Off of the language.
Speaker 3: So like, I'm sure he built it in seven days,
Speaker 3: but in fact it was an extent period of time
Speaker 3: or whatever. Anyways, point what I'm trying to get to
Speaker 3: is that the marshaling of Satan's army from the four
Speaker 3: corners of the Earth could easily be encapsulated by the
Speaker 3: past century. I mean, because you have World War One,
Speaker 3: which is at the time the most destructive war ever,
Speaker 3: then World War Two, which is at the time the
Speaker 3: most destructive war ever, and then you have this Cold War.
Speaker 3: But during the Cold War there's just this massive build
Speaker 3: up of weaponry and capacity for death and destruction, So
Speaker 3: that could all still be part of this marshaling of
Speaker 3: his forces. And then now you have the UK or
Speaker 3: the EU rather that's marshaling eight hundred billion allegedly into
Speaker 3: building up their own military. Obviously, America has been spending
Speaker 3: extraordinary amounts of money on military forever, but they continue
Speaker 3: to do so. Russia has had to increase their military capacity, China.
Speaker 2: Is doing the same.
Speaker 3: It's like everyone is marshaling additional military capacity. Some of
Speaker 3: them are bringing in additional troops, some of them aren't
Speaker 3: at this point. But if there were to be a
Speaker 3: major war that would break up between NATO and Russia
Speaker 3: or the Bricks Alliance, obviously there would be immediate conscription
Speaker 3: and the armies would form very rapidly. I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: you know that that all seems to strike me as
Speaker 3: like that could be the marshaling of Satan's army.
Speaker 1: It could It could be, It really could be, And
Speaker 1: it could just be as simple as no one really
Speaker 1: knows that what they're doing when they actually go to war,
Speaker 1: and it could just be that mankind killing each other
Speaker 1: is that Gog Magog war and the Beloved City is
Speaker 1: just all of humanity where Christ, where Christians are, you
Speaker 1: could symbolically in any way, you know, But I am
Speaker 1: leading more towards there's going to be a final war
Speaker 1: of man, which is so terrible. It's going to make
Speaker 1: everybody look at each other go, what have we done,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think at the same time it
Speaker 1: will destroy And this is written by Albert Pike, by
Speaker 1: the way, this this final Third Great War. The end
Speaker 1: result is to destroy Christianity and atheism simultaneously through the
Speaker 1: horrors of communism, which is the atheistic doctrine and the
Speaker 1: mass to deaths and genocides which have been put through
Speaker 1: that system, and then obviously religious wars in the Middle
Speaker 1: East and the horrors that's caused the kind of make
Speaker 1: everyone disillusioned with both of it. And it's kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: if we go if we go full atheists, we genocide everybody.
Speaker 1: But if we go for religious we genocide everybody. So
Speaker 1: there has to be something else, right, And that's when
Speaker 1: I would say a world teacher will appear, some kind
Speaker 1: of alien or galactic federation or interdimensional or something completely
Speaker 1: out of this world will just happen that just completely
Speaker 1: throws a wrench into everything that we've ever thought possible,
Speaker 1: you know, And he'll start saying, there is a new way.
Speaker 1: It's my way, the light, the way I am Jesus,
Speaker 1: or I am the betrayer, or I'm Bluddh and I'm
Speaker 1: all the people you think were God combined.
Speaker 2: You're talking about you're talking about Russell Brand obviously, talk.
Speaker 1: About Lucifer, you know, pretending to be a in the
Speaker 1: savior of mankind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm I'm just kidding, But yeah, he does
Speaker 3: have that energy, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It probably had the same charisma. Yeah, That's just what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, is it'd be a charismatic leader that just
Speaker 1: suddenly turns up and says, try my way, try the
Speaker 1: light of Lucifer instead. And that's what Albert Pike wrote.
Speaker 1: The whole point is to destroy the old way, to
Speaker 1: then introduce the light of Lucifer is the only way
Speaker 1: to have a good system on earth, and that then
Speaker 1: lays the foundation for what everything I've just described coming afterwards.
Speaker 1: Give people something they're not willing to lose. Build a
Speaker 1: perfect world, build a place with no debt. Everyone has
Speaker 1: enough abundancy, No one has to work anymore. Everything's perfect
Speaker 1: and happy, everyone has everything they need. They have land
Speaker 1: and a home and a family, something they're willing to
Speaker 1: die for. And then initiate the alien invasion. That's what
Speaker 1: I would say.
Speaker 2: Fuck, dude, what a what a what an absolute mind fuck?
Speaker 2: This was.
Speaker 3: I don't even know where to go with it other
Speaker 3: than to say, you know, thank you for breaking it
Speaker 3: down for me.
Speaker 2: I'm obviously have a lot of follow up questions.
Speaker 3: I can take this a thousand different angles, but I
Speaker 3: think this is probably a good first bite for my
Speaker 3: audience and maybe we can. Actually you seem to have
Speaker 3: somewhere else you wanted to.
Speaker 2: Take it, so go ahead.
Speaker 1: It's it's introductory everything giving there is a very quick overview. Sure, look,
Speaker 1: you can base this theory, I would say, if you want,
Speaker 1: on all the cool things I've just said about aliens
Speaker 1: and architecture and whatever you know, and the historical record
Speaker 1: being messed up and all these type of things, but
Speaker 1: fundamentally the words of Jesus Christ himself or what this
Speaker 1: theory is based upon. Okay, it's not based on all
Speaker 1: these extracurricular factors. I've kind of just come up with
Speaker 1: there for fun to get you interested, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's what I've done there, and they're all valid,
Speaker 1: they're all kind of supporting evidence. But really the words
Speaker 1: of Christ himself are the very thing that this is
Speaker 1: all based upon and relying upon. And if I could
Speaker 1: just end this, I'll read you a collection I have
Speaker 1: of passages biblically which will give you something for your
Speaker 1: Christian audience to go further research and look into. And
Speaker 1: I know what they have been taught about these passages.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you you there wrong. You've been taught wrong
Speaker 1: in this little season about how to interpret these passages. Okay,
Speaker 1: we need to take it at Jesus's word that he
Speaker 1: meant what he was saying to the people he was
Speaker 1: talking to in that time. Audience relevancy. A lot of
Speaker 1: Christians today liked to read these passages and think he
Speaker 1: was talking to me two thousand years later through these people.
Speaker 1: Throw that out the window. That's absolute nonsense. Okay, he
Speaker 1: was talking to specific people.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So here I have just a series of quotes from
Speaker 1: Christ himself that just lay it out very clear. Okay,
Speaker 1: very very very clear. Let's start with Revelation, the book
Speaker 1: this is based on. This is Christ talking to John
Speaker 1: the revel later and it opens up the very very
Speaker 1: very first passages. He says, these are things which must
Speaker 1: shortly come to pass. Sounds pretty imminent, doesn't it. Revelation
Speaker 1: one three, The time is at hand, Revelation one seven.
Speaker 1: Behold he cometh in the clouds, and every eye shall
Speaker 1: see him, and they also which pierced him. So even
Speaker 1: the men who who stabbed him on the cross are
Speaker 1: going to see his return. You don't get more immediate
Speaker 1: than that. These are the words of Christ himself, the
Speaker 1: final prophecy given the final revelation given to John. Behold
Speaker 1: I come quickly Revelation twenty two seven. And behold I
Speaker 1: come quickly twenty two twelve. Surely I come quickly twenty
Speaker 1: two twenty must shortly be done twenty two six. Seal
Speaker 1: not the sayings of the prophecy of this book, for
Speaker 1: the time is at hand. Go and tell everybody John,
Speaker 1: because I'm coming back now, Revelation twenty ten. That's just
Speaker 1: the end the last book of the Bible. Let's go
Speaker 1: look at some other quotes, just from the Synoptic Gospels,
Speaker 1: from the actual main Gospels. Matthew sixteen twenty eight. Verily,
Speaker 1: I say unto you, there be some standing here which
Speaker 1: shall not taste of death till they see the Son
Speaker 1: of Man coming in his kingdom. Mark nine to one.
Speaker 1: I say unto you, there'll be some standing here which
Speaker 1: shall not taste of death till you see the sun,
Speaker 1: see the Kingdom of God come with power. Same thing
Speaker 1: in Luke nine twenty seven. There'll be some standing here
Speaker 1: which shall not taste of death till they see the
Speaker 1: Kingdom of God. Matthew ten twenty three. When they persecute
Speaker 1: you in this city, flee to another. Verily, I say
Speaker 1: unto you, you will not have gone over the cities
Speaker 1: of Israel till the Son of Man become. You won't
Speaker 1: get through many cities before I return. Just keep fleeing.
Speaker 1: If you want to not die before I return, you
Speaker 1: won't go through many before I return. Very clear, very
Speaker 1: cut and dry. Romans thirteen eleven through thirteen. This is
Speaker 1: Paul speaking, and that knowing the time that now it
Speaker 1: is high time to awake out of sleep, For now
Speaker 1: is our salvation nearer than when we believed. All the
Speaker 1: apostles believed Christ was coming back in their lifetime. They
Speaker 1: made it very clear they were working hard after Pentecost
Speaker 1: to spread the Gospel to all four corners of the earth,
Speaker 1: to which Paul said he was somebody who took part
Speaker 1: in doing such a thing. Even he quote to be
Speaker 1: quoted saying I have spread the Gospel to all the
Speaker 1: corners of the earth. They were ready for Christ to
Speaker 1: return in their lifetime. Okay, I believe he kept his
Speaker 1: promise first Peter four through seven. In the end of
Speaker 1: all things is at hand, Be therefore sober and watch
Speaker 1: unto prayer Matthew twenty four thirty four. This generation shall
Speaker 1: not pass till all these things be fulfilled. And people
Speaker 1: have argued, well, this generation means the generation of people
Speaker 1: who live through tribulation in the future or could it
Speaker 1: simply be his generation, those people he was talking to
Speaker 1: in his time. It'd be pretty shitty of Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it to say to this generation won't pass away
Speaker 1: till I return. If he didn't mean those people he
Speaker 1: was talking to, why would he do that? You know,
Speaker 1: that makes me no sense when you think about it.
Speaker 2: You know, I got an intererject.
Speaker 3: What is the Church's explanation for this?
Speaker 1: So it's all allegory. He must have been talking about
Speaker 1: future generation, the Figchi generation, you know, a generation too,
Speaker 1: two thousand years from them, because where's the evidence of
Speaker 1: his coming. You know, he's clearly not returned yet, so
Speaker 1: he must have been talking about us in the future.
Speaker 1: And then they've invented dispensations and all sorts of maps
Speaker 1: and crazy ideas and theologies to try and justify what's
Speaker 1: going on here because they believe the official narrative, because
Speaker 1: they don't know about the temple being destroyed in seventy eight.
Speaker 1: They haven't looked into these odd things I've been discussing
Speaker 1: with you today, and to try and square in their
Speaker 1: mind why Jesus hasn't come back for two thousand years.
Speaker 1: They look at him, say this generation. Then they have
Speaker 1: to say to themselves, well, he must have been talking
Speaker 1: about a future generation, or can we just trust forget
Speaker 1: the words of man, forget the history of man. Let's
Speaker 1: just listen to the words of Jesus Christ. And if
Speaker 1: he is the authority and he has told his people
Speaker 1: in his time, I'm coming back quickly, and he made
Speaker 1: that promise to them, I'm not going to make him
Speaker 1: a liar. I believe he told the truth. He did
Speaker 1: come back in their generation and they did see it.
Speaker 3: Is there any documentation from his followers in seventy ish
Speaker 3: AD that discusses his return? Is there any evidence of this?
Speaker 1: Hagiographies? So hagiographies are the accounts of the Saints which
Speaker 1: ruled during the Millennial reign. And yeah, they were pretty
Speaker 1: pretty adamant and pretty clear that you know, they were
Speaker 1: living as they were living through the reign of Christ.
Speaker 1: They're pretty certain about it. However, the early Church fathers,
Speaker 1: which is what most church today based their work on,
Speaker 1: some of them do talk as though they're living in
Speaker 1: the millennial reign. Some of them don't. But that's because
Speaker 1: we have to place where they were on the timeline. Realistically,
Speaker 1: we're told they were in like three hundred eighty, let's say,
Speaker 1: some of them, but it's likely they might have actually
Speaker 1: been the early Church in seventy eight, just before Christ returned.
Speaker 1: So even when they have their writings, when they have
Speaker 1: their writings saying Christ hasn't returned yet, it's because they
Speaker 1: may have been living in that time before Christ.
Speaker 2: Years later.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, one thing that gets thrown at us is
Speaker 1: two Timothy, where Paul's writing a letter, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's saying, don't listen to the words of Philetus and Haminaeus,
Speaker 1: who were saying, you know that the resurrection has already happened.
Speaker 1: Because the words eat away like a cancer and make
Speaker 1: people lose their faith. So people argue with us Paul's
Speaker 1: talking about you, you're telling people, the resurrection has already happened.
Speaker 1: You're making everyone lose their faith. And first of all,
Speaker 1: anybody who's listened to me keeps telling me their faith
Speaker 1: is stronger than ever after hearing this, So I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. But other than that, Paul
Speaker 1: wasn't talking to me or you. He was talking to
Speaker 1: specific people at that time who he was writing a
Speaker 1: letter to. And guess what that time was. It was
Speaker 1: before the resurrection and tribulation. So yes, Paul was right
Speaker 1: to rebuke those two people before seventy eighty, telling them that, yes,
Speaker 1: the resurrection hasn't already happened. He was right to say that.
Speaker 3: I mean, then, really, it does beg an explanation, you know,
Speaker 3: and I think that you know, I want to just
Speaker 3: be very clear with my audience. I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: convert you guys. This is me being just inquisitive and
Speaker 3: open to things that I don't know about. But it
Speaker 3: does beg an explanation as to why he's talking with
Speaker 3: such urgency over and over again and being so explicit
Speaker 3: that it's going to be in their lifetimes, and then
Speaker 3: to believe that that just doesn't happen, and that there's
Speaker 3: not really an explanation for it is fascinating, and I
Speaker 3: just want to throw it to my audience because I
Speaker 3: know I have many Christian listeners. I want you guys
Speaker 3: to say in the comments below, what do you think
Speaker 3: is the explanation? I would love to hear, you know,
Speaker 3: genuine pushback and not in a contentious fashion. And even
Speaker 3: though I'm sure some people will take this as a
Speaker 3: challenge to their faith and they'll be very upset, but
Speaker 3: I hope not. That's not my intention here. I just
Speaker 3: think it's a very interesting, you know, read of things,
Speaker 3: and I think it's worthy of deep consideration, and so.
Speaker 1: Absolutely I agree, I agree, I agree. Look, look, we
Speaker 1: haven't figured out everything. This is relatively new. Understand we're
Speaker 1: living in a time of deception. There is a conspiracy
Speaker 1: at work against us here, and we're trying to My
Speaker 1: child is about this. You would stand and and this,
Speaker 1: this would be the thing that just takes the biscuit.
Speaker 1: Would this would be the final thing? You know, this
Speaker 1: would be the big deception if it is the one,
Speaker 1: And I feel like there is something here to say
Speaker 1: that this is the case. And I've given you some
Speaker 1: preliminaries today, and I've given you some biblical texts to
Speaker 1: sink your teeth into. But that's just the beginning. I
Speaker 1: cannot cover all of this in an hour and an
Speaker 1: hour and a half, and I haven't been as hours
Speaker 1: of content available to go and research and look into
Speaker 1: along with us and joining on the conversation. You know.
Speaker 1: But one thing I'll say is I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: make you lose faith in Christ. And don't feel disheartened
Speaker 1: that you may have not got to live during the
Speaker 1: Millennial rain. Look forward to the New Heaven and Earth
Speaker 1: to come after this, the thing you should have your
Speaker 1: faith in to begin with. You know, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: not over yet, you know. And still the best, the
Speaker 1: best is to come have faith that you're written in
Speaker 1: the Book of Life. You will get you'll make it
Speaker 1: to the New Heaven and Earth at the end of
Speaker 1: all of this. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see why anyone would hear this as
Speaker 3: a as a negative. You know, I can't say, because
Speaker 3: I'm I guess I'm not really a Christian. But I
Speaker 3: don't know why it would be, why it would make
Speaker 3: them feel bad, you know.
Speaker 1: It's still it's because well they've had their entire life
Speaker 1: listening to pastors tell them once.
Speaker 3: I guess that's true. You know, it would just it
Speaker 3: would uproot some of their foundational beliefs for.
Speaker 1: Sure, and they'll get called a heretic, and they're worried
Speaker 1: they're losing all those things. And there's lots of people
Speaker 1: out there have written a lot of books about the
Speaker 1: coming tribulation and have vested heavily monetarily as well into
Speaker 1: the truth that you know, crisis around the corner and
Speaker 1: everything's about to happen now, and you know, the nation
Speaker 1: state of Israeli is a sign of the times. And
Speaker 1: they've they've and who am I Some YouTuber has come
Speaker 1: along and said this crazy theory. Now everyone's just falling
Speaker 1: away and not buying their books anymore. It's kind of
Speaker 1: they're furious, they're angry, but there's a faith. There's quite
Speaker 1: a famous saying. Someone said to you, I thought it
Speaker 1: was really good, and it's it's the old leaders of
Speaker 1: a movement who usually attack the new. It's kind of
Speaker 1: I think I think we're in that situation because we
Speaker 1: are getting heavily attacked as well in this little community
Speaker 1: we've created here.
Speaker 3: But we're not like I would imagine, well, there's you know,
Speaker 3: I gotta, I gotta, I gotta ask a question though,
Speaker 3: because so I mean, I would imagine that some of
Speaker 3: the people that are you know, foundational in the church
Speaker 3: during the Millennial reign, they would be privy to this
Speaker 3: if you're right, So are they are participant in the deception.
Speaker 1: Modern churches today?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Well does the which church are you talking about? The
Speaker 1: Catholic Church? You're talking about the Greek Orthodox Church? Are
Speaker 1: you talking about Protestantism and the what forty thousand denominations
Speaker 1: coming from there as well? I think there would have
Speaker 1: been one true church during the Millennial reign, but what
Speaker 1: we have today are divided schisms and factions which are
Speaker 1: all fighting each other. So church, well, I think it
Speaker 1: would have been an amalgamation of the Greek author and
Speaker 1: Catholic but it's not what we have today. It would
Speaker 1: have been something else. It would have behaved and looked
Speaker 1: very different. But there has been corruption in all of
Speaker 1: these institutions, and this is why all the churches are
Speaker 1: named after saints in St. Whatever's Cathedral here and there.
Speaker 1: But today the law tell you, you know, well, I
Speaker 1: have the true Apostolic secession down to Peters and we
Speaker 1: are the one true church or the procets will always
Speaker 1: tell me, you know, you to come to God through us,
Speaker 1: and everyone's trying to tell me, come to my church,
Speaker 1: join my church. We have the truth, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, well, if we're Insatan's little season, you're actually
Speaker 1: probably all got some truth, but you've also got the
Speaker 1: false belief in the timeline of where we are.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly That's exactly why I asked, because I mean,
Speaker 3: if you're if you're a hypothesis is correct, then they
Speaker 3: are basically leading their flock astray, unintentionally or intentionally.
Speaker 2: Makes it very interesting too.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's salvations at risk because as long
Speaker 1: as I have sincerely believe that Jesus Christ rose from
Speaker 1: the dead and is who he says he was, and
Speaker 1: they'll be saved. You know, it's very simple. The gospel
Speaker 1: is simple. You know, there's a lot of people out
Speaker 1: there who want to tell you, yes, believe in Jesus,
Speaker 1: but also do these extra steps and follow these rules,
Speaker 1: and the complicate the simplicity of salvation is a heart issue.
Speaker 1: Are you is your heart for the kingdom? Are you
Speaker 1: sincerely in love with Jesus and want to be a
Speaker 1: part of His kingdom. If if it's not in your heart,
Speaker 1: if the Kingdom isn't within, you're not going to enter
Speaker 1: it in the next life. It's as simple as that,
Speaker 1: and that's the gospel. That's it. Believe and you'll be saved.
Speaker 1: It doesn't need complicating. And a lot of these churches
Speaker 1: want to add ritual into the matter as well, which
Speaker 1: is where I draw the line myself. I'm going back
Speaker 1: to simple simplicity in gospel myself personally. But you don't
Speaker 1: have That's just me, you know. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: those who are a Catholic or Orthodox are Protestant. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they're salvations. Oh they are not on fire
Speaker 1: for God, or they're not going to make it to
Speaker 1: the Kingdom. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is
Speaker 1: you could live your whole life only drinking the milk
Speaker 1: and never truly getting to the meat of the matter.
Speaker 1: If you stay in these institutions. They're not there and
Speaker 1: they're not going to teach you what I've just They're
Speaker 1: not going to say what I've just said today on
Speaker 1: the pulpit. They're not going to tell you these things.
Speaker 3: Well, one final question for you, do you believe in
Speaker 3: the capacity of like this kind of black magic, this
Speaker 3: pagan this pagan avenue, this Illuminati, these Masons, Like do
Speaker 3: you think that they actually communed with the devil and
Speaker 3: that they had magical abilities or is that nonsense?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the satanism and witchcraft is real, it's real. The
Speaker 1: demons are demons are real. Oh yeah, this is not
Speaker 1: This war has been going on since since Adam and Eve.
Speaker 1: We have a real enemy out there, you know, in
Speaker 1: wickedness in high places, spiritual wickedness in high places that
Speaker 1: are warring against us in the in the spirit realm
Speaker 1: every day of our lives. And we need the full
Speaker 1: armor of God to defend ourselves against these things. And
Speaker 1: that's what my book's about. The NEFHL look like Flouns.
Speaker 1: Go check that out if you want to know about
Speaker 1: that rabbit hole. That's something else, you know, that's I've
Speaker 1: talked to top Lobster and Raven about that. I've been
Speaker 1: doing the podcast circuit on that topic for years, you know,
Speaker 1: and I've only just really started doing this one in
Speaker 1: the past year. But I believe full well we are
Speaker 1: up against severe spiritual wickedness. And there are people in
Speaker 1: this world, in secret societies who communicate with channel demons
Speaker 1: and make deals with the devil and demons for power
Speaker 1: and control and money and fame and the rest of it. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that is right.
Speaker 3: Well, my whole worldview and paradigm has been shaken. But
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, no, no, no, I mean this is what
Speaker 3: I do. I am despite the fact that I don't have,
Speaker 3: you know, an espoused faith. I've I'm very open to
Speaker 3: religion and spirituality and I mean just challenging everything that
Speaker 3: I believe, like that's what I enjoy doing. So I
Speaker 3: didn't find it painful. I just found it very very interesting,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of jarring to my perception of things.
Speaker 3: I've always assumed that black magic and all that is
Speaker 3: just fucking nonsense, that these people are luted kind of
Speaker 3: like skull.
Speaker 1: They're deluded, They're definitely deluded, but it's also real. You
Speaker 1: have to be deluded to deal with that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: to actually get involved with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And yeah, well it's just I mean, you do.
Speaker 3: There is this tendency and you see it across the
Speaker 3: board of very nefarious actors rising to the highest levels
Speaker 3: of power. And and it's a lot of people have
Speaker 3: you pontificated on this saying this is the epstein, this
Speaker 3: is where the child sacrifice stuff comes in. This is
Speaker 3: where the human trafficking and all that. And I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe or these people just get to such an immense
Speaker 3: level of power that they they lean into their darkest
Speaker 3: instincts and therefore they feel as if they're above the law,
Speaker 3: they're untouchable. It's kind of how you see a lot
Speaker 3: of PRESTI get into the church and they end up,
Speaker 3: you know, going after kids. It's like, well, you just
Speaker 3: if you're if you are a predator, you're going to
Speaker 3: there's going to be an appeal to get into a
Speaker 3: position of authority that then enables you to carry out
Speaker 3: those and the same way I kind of perceived government also,
Speaker 3: or the highest levels of power in corporate America. It's
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, that all makes sense to me. It
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily mean that there's like demonic agreements that are
Speaker 3: being had to get them there. It's just that these
Speaker 3: But then I guess you could argue that these people
Speaker 3: are kind of in alignment with the devil and that's
Speaker 3: why they took this path in the first place, and
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just as you can tell, I'm
Speaker 3: very open about how I'm just exploring all of this.
Speaker 1: Never never underestimate the capacity of evil for mankind. Never
Speaker 1: you know, you don't need the devil for mankind to
Speaker 1: do evil shit. You really are the worst of the worst.
Speaker 1: I get it, Man, we can be terrible. The devil
Speaker 1: will help facilitate the predators to get more victims in
Speaker 1: a little season. If you live, you allow him, you know,
Speaker 1: And never never forget that that's a problem. No, that's
Speaker 1: a problem. We have to deal with it every day.
Speaker 1: I think humans can do some terrible things. I really do,
Speaker 1: and I'm not diminishing that at all. At the same time,
Speaker 1: I think there is also malevolent force that works with
Speaker 1: those people who already have those tendencies to begin with,
Speaker 1: to further their own agendas and to use each other.
Speaker 1: It's a mutually beneficial relationship in many ways. And you
Speaker 1: get those people who could live their entire life being
Speaker 1: the most evil person you've ever met, and never never
Speaker 1: encounter a deemon their entire life or realize that that
Speaker 1: was the case or anything like that was happening. But
Speaker 1: then you get those who seek them out, and if
Speaker 1: you seek them out, you'll find it, you know, and
Speaker 1: then then things can really go to the next level
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Because I think about the
Speaker 1: Little Season. If we're in it, you know, it's profitable
Speaker 1: in this world to be a liar. It's profitable in
Speaker 1: this world to step on people. It's profitable to kill, steal,
Speaker 1: and destroy. It's profitable to be narcissistic. It's profitable to
Speaker 1: be prideful. It's profitable to be a glutton or the
Speaker 1: center of attention. It's profitable to be a sinner. In
Speaker 1: this world. It's simple, and this world will reward you
Speaker 1: for that behavior, and you will get money. Fame and
Speaker 1: riches is geared that way. So yes, people are already
Speaker 1: predispositioned in this world to have the world behavior because
Speaker 1: they are rewarded for that worst behavior. That's exactly how
Speaker 1: a Little Season would run. Those who stand against that,
Speaker 1: who say no in the face of the worst of
Speaker 1: the worst, I'm going to be good anyway. Those are
Speaker 1: the ones who are killed. Those are the ones who
Speaker 1: were persecuted, Those are the ones who belittled and destroyed
Speaker 1: and taken advantage of those are the ones who are
Speaker 1: seen as weak in this world, and as Christians were
Speaker 1: called to be set apart from the world, and in
Speaker 1: spite of the evil bastards out there, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: let them bring me down, and I'm going to try
Speaker 1: and be good anyway. And I think that's a radical
Speaker 1: that's a radical move in the little in the Little season,
Speaker 1: and I encourage everybody else to do the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably the most radical and important move you
Speaker 3: can make. And it's funny because as you're saying that,
Speaker 3: you know, these are things that I've lamented a lot
Speaker 3: over the past five years that I've been doing the show.
Speaker 3: And it's, yeah, it's undeniable that, yes, you do profit
Speaker 3: from being a moral and lying and you know, vain
Speaker 3: and all these other you know, very negative character traits
Speaker 3: that that you would hope would not be you would
Speaker 3: not be benefited by. And I tend to believe that
Speaker 3: that's it's indicative of a sick society, because otherwise those
Speaker 3: behaviors would be shunned or you might even be in
Speaker 3: prison for them. I mean, for many of most of
Speaker 3: those things you described you ought to be jailed for,
Speaker 3: you know, killing people and like, yeah, of course you
Speaker 3: should be, but you're not. And it oftentimes it's carried
Speaker 3: out by espoused devout Christians. You know, I just quick
Speaker 3: interjection to the political realm. But I'm reading these texts
Speaker 3: that that this Atlantic reporter got Goldberg, and it's got JD.
Speaker 3: Vance on there, and it's got hag Seth, and they're
Speaker 3: talking about these strikes on Yemen, and they're they're talking
Speaker 3: about it, and they're basically giving all these details as
Speaker 3: to how this is. They're ready to they're ready to
Speaker 3: roll right and then they say right before, right before this,
Speaker 3: like the conversation ends, this literally minutes before the strikes happen.
Speaker 3: There has been no conversation as to the morality of
Speaker 3: these actions. There has been no conversation as to the
Speaker 3: loss of life that they're about to participate in, which
Speaker 3: is not surprising. You would expect people in government not
Speaker 3: to do that. But these are self espoused devout Christians,
Speaker 3: and there isn't a single minute of consideration for the
Speaker 3: loss of life that's about to occur. And then two
Speaker 3: minutes like Hexas says, we're go and and JD. Vance says,
Speaker 3: two minutes before the strike, timer clicks down, he says,
Speaker 3: I'll pray for our troops. And that's the only like
Speaker 3: mention of religiosity in this entire conversation transpiring amongst all Christians. Theoretically,
Speaker 3: I just thought it was really profound that It's just like, like, dude,
Speaker 3: what about praying for the fucking innocence that are going
Speaker 3: to be blown up by these bombs?
Speaker 2: Is there any consideration of that?
Speaker 3: Because there are innocence that died in that kids, And
Speaker 3: it's just I don't know, it just it does. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's little season shit to me. You know, like if
Speaker 3: you if you are participating in the death of children
Speaker 3: intentional or otherwise, but definitely if it's intentional. I just
Speaker 3: don't know how you consider yourself a Christian.
Speaker 2: It's it's weird to me. Well, sorry for the long
Speaker 2: tangent rant, but it just it tied it all in.
Speaker 1: When it comes down to it, There'll be many who
Speaker 1: will come to Christ and say, did I not do
Speaker 1: a good job? I prophesized in your name? You know,
Speaker 1: I did everything for you, And He'll say, turn from me,
Speaker 1: you work of iniquity. I never knew you. You know,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people out there who profess
Speaker 1: with their mouth that they are Christians. But the behavior
Speaker 1: stays of the wise a lot, and that's that's all
Speaker 1: that counts at the end of the day. Don't don't
Speaker 1: look at don't listen to what they're telling you, look
Speaker 1: at what they do.
Speaker 3: Yes, mean by know me by my fruits or know
Speaker 3: me by my actions? It's like, yeah, And I think
Speaker 3: that's that's why I've always despite not you know, espousing
Speaker 3: my faith in God or Christ. It's like I've always
Speaker 3: felt as if I if I live in that way,
Speaker 3: I think that's the most important thing. And it's in fact,
Speaker 3: it's even more important from my vantage point to live
Speaker 3: in His footsteps than to espouse your belief in Him.
Speaker 3: Because you can espouse your belief in them in Him
Speaker 3: and then live an absolutely miserable, evil life. What's more important.
Speaker 3: And I know Christians differ on this. Some say that
Speaker 3: you can't, you know, you will not be accepted unless
Speaker 3: you do, you know, espouse your faith.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, well, I would advise you, as a Christian to
Speaker 1: profess that Jesus Christ as King at least once in
Speaker 1: your to yourself and in your own heart, and then
Speaker 1: live up brightly in the world as best you can
Speaker 1: as an example, and walk as he walked, as best
Speaker 1: you can in this world as crubt and fallen. And
Speaker 1: I think you'll be fine. But understand, it's not your work,
Speaker 1: So how good you are that's going to save you.
Speaker 1: It's his sacrifice that He's offer you as a free gift,
Speaker 1: and just take it, you know. And I think no one,
Speaker 1: no one's better than anybody else. We're all wretched sinners
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and our works are
Speaker 1: filthy rags in the eyes of God. But how good
Speaker 1: we think we are or how good we've done, you know,
Speaker 1: He's not going to pat us on the back for
Speaker 1: our work. He's just going to see his son in
Speaker 1: you and forgive you in for simple That's that's Christianity.
Speaker 1: That's real Christianity. You know. It's not about how good
Speaker 1: you are, It's it's about whether or not it's sincerely
Speaker 1: in your heart you believe you're honest with yourself, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think if you are honest with yourself and
Speaker 1: you have taken that step to accept Christ into your
Speaker 1: life and to follow the Father, good works will just follow.
Speaker 1: Whereas like fruits and I'm not trying to put the
Speaker 1: horse before the car. It's like not a necessity that
Speaker 1: good works follow to be saved. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: because a lot of people get angry with me when
Speaker 1: I say this. But naturally, good fruits tend to appear
Speaker 1: in some form or another when you are sincere in
Speaker 1: your belief.
Speaker 2: But that's not what saves, you know, But but maybe
Speaker 2: not during the little season. I mean, as you.
Speaker 1: Said, well, this is the thing, yeah, from.
Speaker 2: Death and deceit and everything else.
Speaker 1: I suppose this is why it's not through your works
Speaker 1: you can be saved, because even you could be a
Speaker 1: Christian believe in God sincerely, but you could be deceived
Speaker 1: into thinking what true morality is in this world today
Speaker 1: is hard, and thank God in his mercy that it
Speaker 1: isn't your works that are going to say to you.
Speaker 1: Because we're horrible. We're terrible. We're always our good intentions
Speaker 1: are always paid on the way to hell, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. There's nothing we can do about it,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of which is why I feel like
Speaker 1: when we're finally out of this in the new Heaven Earth,
Speaker 1: we'll look back and go, what were we doing? Why
Speaker 1: didn't we see? Why weren't we paying attention? It was obvious,
Speaker 1: you know. It's things like that. But this is the
Speaker 1: grace is for. It's what mercy is for. And we
Speaker 1: are we are so myopic in of you and the
Speaker 1: scale and the grand scale of creation and what God
Speaker 1: has planned for us. We don't see. We don't see
Speaker 1: at all because we have the capacity to see, which
Speaker 1: is why we need a savior, which is why we're
Speaker 1: being guided through the dark by him in a sense,
Speaker 1: you know, towards the lights. This is all we can
Speaker 1: hope for. And everything we're talking about today, you know,
Speaker 1: this this this stuff, like the Little Season. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's a good way to get people finally thinking
Speaker 1: about the salvation. If anything, even if I'm wrong, it's
Speaker 1: good for Christians out there to realize there are alternative
Speaker 1: eschatologies that the predominant future as will be You've got,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's not about like making it to
Speaker 1: the millennial kingdom like I said, and getting to rule
Speaker 1: as a god with Christ for a thousand years if
Speaker 1: you really sincerely think you deserve that, you know, And
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's about making it to the next
Speaker 1: heaven and Earth, the New Heaven and Earth. And if
Speaker 1: I can work in McDonald's making mcfluhy's in the New
Speaker 1: Heaven and Earth, I'll take it. I'll take whatever. I'll
Speaker 1: mop the toilets, no.
Speaker 3: No, no, I got the janitor position. You gotta you
Speaker 3: gotta handle them. Anyways, man, it's been super interesting. I
Speaker 3: think this will probably be one of the more controversial
Speaker 3: episodes I've done, but also one of the more off
Speaker 3: the beaten path ones and very interesting to me. And
Speaker 3: I don't really give a fuck If people hated it,
Speaker 3: that's fine. I thought it was super interesting and I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people will will really enjoy it.
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Speaker 2: Work, sure so.
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