WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:19.559 At a. 2 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:28.879 Book. 3 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:29.000 If you'd like to be able to listen to the 4 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:32.000 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 5 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:35.640 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 6 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:42.200 Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so 7 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:45.040 much for joining us for this special Saturday night episode 8 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:48.560 of the show. Really appreciate you being here. If you 9 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:51.959 listen to episodes five twenty eight and five forty two, 10 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:54.519 you'll listen to Kim come on and talk about one 11 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:58.840 of the most traumatic, most extreme Dogman encounters that I 12 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:01.959 think has ever been shared on the show. Of course, 13 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:05.799 that's the encounter where his one hundred plus pound white't 14 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:09.439 American bulldog saved his life from a dog man that 15 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.879 I believe had every intention on taking Cam's life. Well, 16 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:17.319 his heroic American bulldog laid down his life, of course, 17 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:22.400 to save Cam's. And after he told us about that experience, 18 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.319 he had another encounter. That's why he came back for 19 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:27.599 episode five point forty two to chronicle that. 20 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:28.639 Well. 21 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:32.000 Unfortunately, there have been other developments are in some ways 22 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:35.400 fortunately I could say, there have been other developments and 23 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:38.639 experiences that he's had that he's come back for tonight's 24 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:40.639 show to catch you up on to bring up to 25 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:46.599 speed without any further ado, Let's get Cam in here now, Cam, 26 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:47.919 thanks so much for coming. 27 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:50.280 Back, Hi buddy, thanks for having me. 28 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.520 Well, thanks so much for being here. I really appreciate it, 29 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:57.680 and of course thanks for talking about something that obviously 30 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.800 isn't very easy to talk about at all. Do I 31 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:02.439 appreciate you coming back to do that. 32 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:09.400 Yeah, yeah, man, it's it's a it's just not a problem. 33 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:11.719 It's not a problem to talk about anymore. You know, 34 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:15.759 it's I mean, it's never it's dark times, you know, 35 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:17.759 but it's it is. 36 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:20.759 What it is now. You know, it's a that's that's 37 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:21.520 not a problem at all. 38 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:27.599 Yeah, they had to be very dark times and understandably so, Kim. 39 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:30.199 For the listeners who missed episodes five twenty eight and 40 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:32.719 five forty two, please tell them about yourself. 41 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:39.639 Oh my my name is Cam. I'm from Mississippi. Ah. 42 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:45.840 I'm a father dog lover. I love the Hunt and 43 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:50.080 fifth Uh. I have a small number of good friends 44 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:52.439 and I do that with and that's that's really all 45 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:56.400 that I do outside of you know, it's being home 46 00:03:56.439 --> 00:04:02.800 all my homebody. Outside of those things. I guess the. 47 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:04.919 First time he had Vic and I ever talked or 48 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:05.479 did this show. 49 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:10.039 I gave the story of how me and my buddy 50 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:13.800 Tyler went out to in the Kyoti population in my 51 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:16.079 grandparents place where there have been some weird goings on. 52 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:21.720 There's there's in the neighbors houses across the street. And uh, 53 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:23.040 I lost my dog that night. 54 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:26.319 Uh you know it was. 55 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:30.920 We we had a dog man run up on us, 56 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:34.160 you know, which is not something that anybody, any normal 57 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:38.439 person is ever expecting to, you know, to encounter that 58 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:44.199 doesn't happen to people. Plus you're me, I guess, but man, 59 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.000 we shot at this thing, and I guess it took 60 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.519 it upon itself to I say, I guess I know what. 61 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:51.120 I know very well. I took it upon itself to 62 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:53.480 to get back at us and to you know, to 63 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:56.639 cause harm to us. And we have a running with 64 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:58.680 this thing on my grandparents' place and we think we've 65 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.040 run it off tower and I both shoot it. 66 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.839 We gather ourselves and my dog and we make it 67 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:07.199 almost back to my truck. 68 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:10.879 And uh, this thing blindsides us from out of the 69 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:12.759 out of the tree line behind this old chicken coop 70 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:15.560 that my grandpa has moved all the chickens out of 71 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:18.959 and uh knocked me out. Man knocked me out in 72 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:20.600 the process of trying to get it all of us. 73 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:24.399 And while I was, of course, you know, unconscious, but 74 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:27.600 Tyler was well awaken. He said that it was on me. Man, 75 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:29.240 he couldn't have stopped it. He couldn't he couldn't have 76 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.079 got to a gun. There was nothing he could have done. Man, 77 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:32.879 if it wasn't for Dallas, I'd be I'd be dead. 78 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:39.120 And uh, that thing killed my dog and it would 79 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:41.439 have killed me had he not been there. And then 80 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.040 you know, I made this foolish, rational on the spot 81 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:45.800 decision too. 82 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:49.439 I don't know what I decided to do. 83 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:51.040 I didn't have a gun and knocked my gun out 84 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:53.480 of my hand, and I was still half days from 85 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:56.279 being knocked out and had a hold of my dog, 86 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.759 so I charged him. Man, I wouldn't have been able, really, 87 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:00.360 I wouldn't have been able to do any thing, but 88 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.480 at the time it didn't really matter. And uh, Tyler, 89 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:06.040 at some point I found my gun, fired a couple 90 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:08.839 of rounds into this thing, and it runs, it's gone, 91 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.920 ran away, left my dog laying there dead, and uh, 92 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:14.639 I had to go tell my grandparents that there was 93 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:16.920 a you know, I'd never heard dog man before. 94 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:18.079 It was. This was a werewolf. 95 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:21.120 It was out of a movie, you know, and uh 96 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:25.360 I had to tell my grandparents about it, and uh 97 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:28.959 it broken my arm. I broke my own hand, and 98 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:32.680 uh Tyler stopped me from from getting my gun once. 99 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.279 You know, i'd i'd passed out at some point from 100 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:40.600 I guess an adrenaline dump and pain. And uh tower 101 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:42.199 talked sensing to me because I was gonna go off 102 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:44.839 in the woods looking for it with a pistol, you know, 103 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:48.279 like that would have been a good idea. And uh man, 104 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:50.439 it was a long time before I saw that thing again. 105 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:55.519 I mean it was. It was shy of a year, for sure, but. 106 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:00.560 Uh man, and the next time I saw it completely alone, 107 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:02.639 I was up in a deer stand. I decided to 108 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:04.199 go and spread corn and move my deer stand. I 109 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:06.959 brought my daughters out there, not you know, out into 110 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:08.720 the woods, but to my grandfather's house. You know, I 111 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:10.759 follow him through the house. I walked him in my 112 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:13.920 grandfather's aware, so his head's on a swivel. Everybody's you know, 113 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.160 being as safe as we can be. I mean, my 114 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:20.480 kids can't just not see my grandparents, and I decided 115 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:22.759 to go spread corn. And you know, you just got 116 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:24.120 to act like things a normal. You can't let something 117 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:25.759 control your life. So I went to spread my corn 118 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.439 and move my deer stand and this thing comes through 119 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:30.839 the thicket on the property line the back of our place. 120 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.519 And I'm up, you know, twenty plus feet in a 121 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:38.319 deer stand with a pistol. You know, I wasn't hunting, 122 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:44.079 and uh, man, it sees me. It gets after this deer, 123 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:48.399 this dough in front of me and looked like something 124 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:50.399 was wrong with him and he couldn't catch her because 125 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:51.959 she dipped, she pump faked him. 126 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:55.160 She was gone. And then he sees me the wind 127 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:56.720 changed direction at some point. 128 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:58.759 And by the time that I excuse me, by the 129 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.519 time that I realized that had changed, it was coming 130 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:03.079 from behind me and he was dead in front of me. 131 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:04.759 I don't. 132 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:08.879 I'm not sure if he would have found me or 133 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:12.680 not had that not happened, but he didn't. He didn't, 134 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:16.199 and uh, he started towards me. Man, he showed me 135 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:19.240 those teeth and he started towards me, and I popped 136 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:20.120 a couple of chops off. 137 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:21.240 At him and I hit it I might have hit 138 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:22.439 him twice. I shot sat. 139 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:27.959 Five five, I don't know, five to maybe eight rounds 140 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:28.279 or so. 141 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:29.839 I feel like I hit him twice. 142 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:32.519 He reached over with the hand grabbed himself and he 143 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:37.720 looks at me and and you know, and in the 144 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:40.519 in my my my first bit with Vic where I 145 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:43.759 told him my story initially, uh man, the night this 146 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.840 think killed my dog, there was some kind of like 147 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.080 a I mean, I'm gonna call it telepathy, dude, I don't. 148 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.559 I don't know what else to call it. But it was. 149 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:52.559 It was right. 150 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:54.159 Before I decided to run, you know, and try to 151 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:54.799 I guess, I don't know. 152 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:56.200 I was gonna run and try to act. 153 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.799 Later get my dog out of his hands or whatever 154 00:08:58.960 --> 00:08:59.960 whatever was going through my mind. 155 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:03.879 It was like I didn't hear a voice. 156 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:05.360 It wasn't like the voice in the back of your 157 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:07.799 head that you you know, like your own thoughts or anything. 158 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.279 But there was something that told me like a beckoning, 159 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:14.440 like a challenge, come here, boy, come on boy, come here, 160 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:16.440 like to me, like it was telling me, come on, 161 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.039 come here, you know, like and uh this the you know, 162 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:22.360 looking down at him from up in that stand, you know, 163 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:24.320 I had slight sense of security because I'm so high 164 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.120 in the air and I and I had to jump 165 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:27.639 on him. I saw him first, and I had my 166 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:34.559 gun out already. But you know, there was that same 167 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:37.399 once I had popped him, once I had put to 168 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:43.600 in him, there was that same whatever form of communicator, 169 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:45.440 whatever you wanna call it, I wanna call it to 170 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:47.879 let me because that's that that sounds crazy. But this, 171 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:49.679 you know, I guess this, the story that I'm telling 172 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:51.360 y'all sounds crazy, any of this stuff, so it is 173 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:51.799 what it is. 174 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:55.320 But he told me I'll get. 175 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:58.799 You like like like like you meant it like somehow 176 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:03.080 someday soon I'm gonna get you. And there was no 177 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:04.559 doubt that that was what he meant for me, to 178 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:07.399 meant to portray to me, to get me to understand. 179 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:10.039 So anyway, I that was uh. 180 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:12.919 And he when he turned and he ran to the trees, 181 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:15.080 you know, I thought he was gonna try to flank 182 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:16.720 me again like he did the first time that night 183 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:18.120 when me and Tyler had to run in with him, 184 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:22.559 but he was gone. I didn't see him again after that. 185 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:25.480 You know, I lived a good way for my grandparents, 186 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:27.000 and after that I didn't see him at my place. 187 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:30.960 But man, he killed both of my grandfathers, both of 188 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.919 his dogs killed, killed Jack and Ruby and left and 189 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:38.440 laying in the backyard. And uh, man, he destroyed. They 190 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:41.000 had this old rundown, dilapidated barn that was you know, 191 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:44.720 heyday when I was a young kid. But he had 192 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:46.960 it set up with some you know, some chicken wire 193 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:49.039 and they had moved all the chickens into this thing. 194 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:53.919 Well all they had left, and man, this thing killed 195 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:56.919 every one of my grandmother's chickens. Man destroyed the barn, 196 00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:59.360 ran through the wall of the barn and tore all 197 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:01.360 the chicken wire down. I mean probably in one go, 198 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.159 probably caught the wire and pulled it all down at 199 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:09.440 one time. And uh it was frough. I mean it 200 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.679 was just rough, dude, It was absolutely rough. But this 201 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:15.720 one day, I'm pulling onto the road that I live on. 202 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:18.120 I live off of one county road onto another one 203 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:19.200 once you turn off the highway. 204 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:20.840 Story of living in Mississippi. 205 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:25.679 But we, uh, we hadn't seen hide nor hair of 206 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:27.360 that thing over here where I live on the hill. 207 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.559 Man. But when I pulled onto onto my road one day, man, 208 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:31.039 I look. 209 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.320 Because you can see there's a there's a cleared lot 210 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:34.960 to my if you're looking from the road, it's. 211 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:35.440 To my left. 212 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:39.480 And uh you know, there's nobody nobody's built thything there. It's 213 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:41.559 just been cut. It cook cut and you. 214 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:42.960 Can see right through it up to the top of 215 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:43.279 the hill. 216 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.360 Man, that that big dark son of a gun was 217 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:48.559 sitting on the top of the hill. At the back 218 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:50.440 of my eight acres, there's a big tree line that's 219 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.000 like perfect for the property line. If I haven't looked 220 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:57.159 at my map for for my property in years, so 221 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.639 but I'm pretty sure that tree line is the exact 222 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:03.279 exact property line. And he was standing there like he 223 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:06.639 like he knew he was on my place, standing there 224 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:07.200 like you know. 225 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:10.559 And uh man. 226 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:20.279 From then on, so long story short, man, I ended 227 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.360 up having to take my wife and my daughter's to 228 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:27.039 stay with my my pop, who's who's my All this 229 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:30.240 stuff initially happened on my father's father's place, on my 230 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.879 my dad's side of the family. But I ended up 231 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:36.320 sending my wife and my kids to my to my 232 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:40.879 mom's dad up around you know, up in Tennessee. And 233 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:45.320 uh man, that was rough as me and my wife, 234 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:50.759 I'm gonna I'm gonna say, we almost didn't make it, man, 235 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:55.120 And that's and it was rough. I just I this 236 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:59.519 so this one night, I uh, you know, I'm here 237 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:04.440 by myself, and uh, I hear something crazy going down 238 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:07.600 in the backyard, so like something getting torn apart. And 239 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:10.639 I look out the window the laundry room. It has 240 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.440 the door that goes to the backyard, and I look 241 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:15.679 out the window. Man, this thing is is I mean, 242 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.399 my backyard isn't that wide. I mean it's between forty 243 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:20.519 and fifty feet to the edge of where I sought 244 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:23.159 it out to. Man, this thing is over there, and 245 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:27.440 it is destroying my youngest little girls, just like a 246 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:32.480 little purple, pink and white snap together playhouse that it's 247 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.320 got like a little decorative windows on the outside. Tore 248 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:38.440 it to a bazillion basis, man, just destroying it, just 249 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:40.480 I guess, just to scare me or send a message 250 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:41.720 or some something. 251 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:42.159 Man. 252 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:44.360 I ran back through the house. I grabbed my gun 253 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:46.559 and it loaded with buckshot. I keep you know, I 254 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.279 keep it loaded with bucksh out on the wall and 255 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.120 case you know, had nothing to do with him. 256 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:53.080 You know, that's for a person, really, man. 257 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:54.639 I kicked the back door open and I fired a 258 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:57.799 couple of shots at him, and he struck out, and 259 00:13:57.840 --> 00:13:58.480 he ran. 260 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:01.559 Directly down the hill, straight through my neighbor's yard. 261 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:06.279 And man, I felt a certain type of way about that, 262 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:08.799 because I know that's what I needed to do. I mean, 263 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:11.679 if he wasn't fixing it, you know, I think I 264 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:13.159 think you should learn by now that it was not 265 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:14.879 just not gonna be tax free when it comes to 266 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:17.159 me or to my family or you know, my dog 267 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.240 or anything like that. But he was out there just 268 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:23.399 just having a hey day, destroying stuff in my backyard. 269 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:27.159 And but when he ran down there, man, my my neighbor. 270 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:30.639 His name is one I've gotten. I've gotten tight a 271 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.320 crap with him. But he's got kids too, man, they're 272 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:36.720 older than mine. And uh, but he's married, he's got 273 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:39.679 a wife, he's got kids. And I felt a certain 274 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:41.679 type of way about having sent that thing down through 275 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:44.080 his yard. You know, what if they were outside, you 276 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:45.480 know what I mean, what if they were outside and 277 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:47.159 they didn't know what was going on up here or something? 278 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:48.879 You know, that was really anyway, I decided that I 279 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.159 was going to have to go down there and say something. 280 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:53.440 I didn't know how it was going to go, because 281 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:56.080 it's you know, it's not every day or at all 282 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:59.600 that you have to tell your neighbor or anybody else, like, hey, man, 283 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:02.240 look the there's uh what you would probably look at 284 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:04.639 and think of as a werewolf out here. 285 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.919 It's not safe. So I go down there and knock 286 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:09.559 on the door, and his wife answers the door, and 287 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:10.120 she sway. 288 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:12.519 She does to speak of lick, speak of licky English, 289 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.480 and I said, you know one here she goes and 290 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.039 gets one. I say, man, look, I need to explain 291 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:25.519 something to you, and uh, you know, sitting easy. And 292 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:30.399 I tell him what's going on, and uh, his eyes 293 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:34.559 got big like it, I mean, it was it's kind 294 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:35.840 of chilling, you know. 295 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:36.360 It was like. 296 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:40.799 I didn't expect him to believe me, and not only 297 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.559 did he seem like he believed me, it frightened him. Well, 298 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:45.840 he turns to his wife and he's talking to her, 299 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.919 and I hear him say, what one is from Guatemala. 300 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:50.960 One one moved up here, moved his family up here. 301 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:53.879 He started this great, big construction company. He's a mad science, 302 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:56.279 he said, builds all kinds of crazy stuff on his property. 303 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:01.000 And he's, uh, he's done really well for himself. 304 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:04.039 Man, but it's, you know, it's it's it's hard to 305 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.360 understand when he speaks Spanish because I'm not fluent in it, 306 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.679 but I did hear as he's talking to her, he said, 307 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.399 hombre lobo or however, you know, I don't have the accent, 308 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.799 but and I know that that means something like wear wool, 309 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:20.679 or maybe it means dark. I don't know, but I've 310 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:22.919 seen it. I've seen that caption on a picture before 311 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.559 I know what it is. And her eyes get big. 312 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:28.639 And it turns out that she saw this thing that 313 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:32.240 night when I when I just just as I was, 314 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.039 just as I was feeling bad for she saw it 315 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:36.919 that night when it came through it. I guess she 316 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:38.519 was on the back porch or so, but she saw 317 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:41.000 it and she was aware of it. So not very 318 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:44.159 long after that, Wan sent his wife and his kids off, 319 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:48.840 and man, me and Juan got tight, We got really tight. 320 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:50.000 Man. We went to war with that. 321 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:52.120 Thing up here on this hill, and it was I mean, 322 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:54.799 it was the same, just the same song and dance 323 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:57.799 all over again, just not every night, not every man. 324 00:16:57.840 --> 00:16:59.519 We we'd go to three days with no sign of 325 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.639 this thing. So times, you know, and uh, this was, Man, 326 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:09.359 this was sometime I guess around I had I had 327 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:14.839 spoken to Vic about that second encounter, and this was 328 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:16.240 not very long at all. 329 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:17.200 I want to say this. 330 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.640 I want to say all this started at my place 331 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:22.599 within a week of me talking to Vic. And I 332 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:25.599 can't remember exactly what day that was, but I could 333 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.720 look and find it anyway. So yeah, man, I mean 334 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:31.359 there were just there were nights from me and one 335 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.319 and like I said, what some nights we'd be down 336 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:36.240 at his place. Some nights he'd come up here, and 337 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:38.839 we'd always take dogs because I still I still have 338 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:40.960 three of my dogs, you know, I still have I 339 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:46.079 still have Dallas' girlfriend, his daughter, and this female pity 340 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:49.000 that I rescued years ago. And I used to leave 341 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.599 my dogs. You know, I can't lose no more. And 342 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.400 uh man, we would stay up all night drinking whiskey, 343 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:00.119 just you know, sometimes back to back in the living 344 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.640 room and if not, man, we didn't never get very 345 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.519 far from each other to where when you know, if 346 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:06.599 anything crazy were to happen, which it did, and on 347 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:08.079 several occasions then it was, like I said, it was the 348 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:10.920 same thing, but every time he thing never really changed up. 349 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:13.240 His tactics, except one night he slammed into the side 350 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:16.079 of One's house scared the living crap out of us. 351 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:19.000 I mean it was I thought the house was gonna 352 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:20.039 come down, man, And. 353 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.400 I couldn't tell if a tree had fallen, because that 354 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:24.039 was the first thing that I was the first sign 355 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.319 that night, and it was boom here I am, you know, 356 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.519 But uh, Man, me and Wan spent a whole whole 357 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:35.640 lot of nights, you know, Liquid couraged out, just just 358 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:39.920 waiting to either be killed by this thing or you know, 359 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:40.559 to run it off. 360 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:42.440 And we ran him off several times. Man. There was 361 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:43.880 one night we were down at One's. 362 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:45.759 House and I mean it was just like when I 363 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:47.240 shot at him up here at my place for the 364 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.640 first time. Man, we kicked open that back door, hopped 365 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:51.759 out on the back porch and started sending slugs into 366 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.319 the dark. Man, I was, you know, there wasn't very 367 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:56.519 much of a chance there was a person outside messing 368 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:58.720 with us. But had there been somebody on the property 369 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:02.240 that night, they'd got shot. I mean it was, man, 370 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:03.759 it was rough up here on this hill for a 371 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:09.720 long time. Brother, it was bad, and uh, you know, 372 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:13.160 and and you know, maintaining a sense of normal during that, 373 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:14.200 Like we still had to go to work. 374 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:16.480 Wal runs a company. He's got guys. You know. 375 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:18.319 He would stay home some days and let my dogs 376 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:21.680 stay over at his house. And you know, I can't think, dude, nothing, 377 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:25.160 But I mean I had to go to work, you know, 378 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:26.799 I had. I had to get up in the mornings, 379 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:29.319 and sometimes I wouldn't go to sleep. I'd just be 380 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:32.440 up drunk shooting all night and go to work, you know. 381 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:36.039 And uh, you know, I worked with Tyler and he's 382 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.200 he's kind of pushed me out when it or you know, 383 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:40.160 he had kind of pushed me out when it came 384 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:43.000 to this thing. You know, it was Tyler's got his 385 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.279 own life, his own kids. You know, he's married, and 386 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:49.880 I can't ask him to risk his life to help me. 387 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:53.640 You know, he's already done it. So uh, you know, 388 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:55.839 it was just me, man, But my my buddy Allen 389 00:19:55.960 --> 00:20:01.880 was somebody you know, got a good friend named Alan. 390 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.759 Who is a medic, medic in the army. Bad, bad dude. Man. 391 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:11.039 He's really really soft spoken, you know, good person, but 392 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:12.480 he's he's hard as a coffin nail. 393 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.720 He's uh, brutally honest. 394 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:18.680 He says it nicely, but he says it to the point, 395 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:20.920 you know, we're we're we're friends for a reason. He's 396 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:23.319 he's the type of person who can handle being friends 397 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:24.440 with somebody like me who doesn't. 398 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:29.359 Really you're coat too much, but uh, you know this. 399 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:35.400 I went to him and, uh, my wife was the phone. 400 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:38.440 Had told me that, you know, baby, you can't spend 401 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:41.640