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Speaker 3: much for joining us for this special Saturday night episode
Speaker 3: of the show. Really appreciate you being here. If you
Speaker 3: listen to episodes five twenty eight and five forty two,
Speaker 3: you'll listen to Kim come on and talk about one
Speaker 3: of the most traumatic, most extreme Dogman encounters that I
Speaker 3: think has ever been shared on the show. Of course,
Speaker 3: that's the encounter where his one hundred plus pound white't
Speaker 3: American bulldog saved his life from a dog man that
Speaker 3: I believe had every intention on taking Cam's life. Well,
Speaker 3: his heroic American bulldog laid down his life, of course,
Speaker 3: to save Cam's. And after he told us about that experience,
Speaker 3: he had another encounter. That's why he came back for
Speaker 3: episode five point forty two to chronicle that.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, there have been other developments are in some ways
Speaker 3: fortunately I could say, there have been other developments and
Speaker 3: experiences that he's had that he's come back for tonight's
Speaker 3: show to catch you up on to bring up to
Speaker 3: speed without any further ado, Let's get Cam in here now, Cam,
Speaker 3: thanks so much for coming.
Speaker 2: Back, Hi buddy, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks so much for being here. I really appreciate it,
Speaker 3: and of course thanks for talking about something that obviously
Speaker 3: isn't very easy to talk about at all. Do I
Speaker 3: appreciate you coming back to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, it's it's a it's just not a problem.
Speaker 1: It's not a problem to talk about anymore. You know,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's never it's dark times, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's it is.
Speaker 2: What it is now. You know, it's a that's that's
Speaker 2: not a problem at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had to be very dark times and understandably so, Kim.
Speaker 3: For the listeners who missed episodes five twenty eight and
Speaker 3: five forty two, please tell them about yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh my my name is Cam. I'm from Mississippi. Ah.
Speaker 1: I'm a father dog lover. I love the Hunt and
Speaker 1: fifth Uh. I have a small number of good friends
Speaker 1: and I do that with and that's that's really all
Speaker 1: that I do outside of you know, it's being home
Speaker 1: all my homebody. Outside of those things. I guess the.
Speaker 2: First time he had Vic and I ever talked or
Speaker 2: did this show.
Speaker 1: I gave the story of how me and my buddy
Speaker 1: Tyler went out to in the Kyoti population in my
Speaker 1: grandparents place where there have been some weird goings on.
Speaker 1: There's there's in the neighbors houses across the street. And uh,
Speaker 1: I lost my dog that night.
Speaker 2: Uh you know it was.
Speaker 1: We we had a dog man run up on us,
Speaker 1: you know, which is not something that anybody, any normal
Speaker 1: person is ever expecting to, you know, to encounter that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen to people. Plus you're me, I guess, but man,
Speaker 1: we shot at this thing, and I guess it took
Speaker 1: it upon itself to I say, I guess I know what.
Speaker 1: I know very well. I took it upon itself to
Speaker 1: to get back at us and to you know, to
Speaker 1: cause harm to us. And we have a running with
Speaker 1: this thing on my grandparents' place and we think we've
Speaker 1: run it off tower and I both shoot it.
Speaker 2: We gather ourselves and my dog and we make it
Speaker 2: almost back to my truck.
Speaker 1: And uh, this thing blindsides us from out of the
Speaker 1: out of the tree line behind this old chicken coop
Speaker 1: that my grandpa has moved all the chickens out of
Speaker 1: and uh knocked me out. Man knocked me out in
Speaker 1: the process of trying to get it all of us.
Speaker 1: And while I was, of course, you know, unconscious, but
Speaker 1: Tyler was well awaken. He said that it was on me. Man,
Speaker 1: he couldn't have stopped it. He couldn't he couldn't have
Speaker 1: got to a gun. There was nothing he could have done. Man,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for Dallas, I'd be I'd be dead.
Speaker 1: And uh, that thing killed my dog and it would
Speaker 1: have killed me had he not been there. And then
Speaker 1: you know, I made this foolish, rational on the spot
Speaker 1: decision too.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I decided to do.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a gun and knocked my gun out
Speaker 1: of my hand, and I was still half days from
Speaker 1: being knocked out and had a hold of my dog,
Speaker 1: so I charged him. Man, I wouldn't have been able, really,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to do any thing, but
Speaker 1: at the time it didn't really matter. And uh, Tyler,
Speaker 1: at some point I found my gun, fired a couple
Speaker 1: of rounds into this thing, and it runs, it's gone,
Speaker 1: ran away, left my dog laying there dead, and uh,
Speaker 1: I had to go tell my grandparents that there was
Speaker 1: a you know, I'd never heard dog man before.
Speaker 2: It was. This was a werewolf.
Speaker 1: It was out of a movie, you know, and uh
Speaker 1: I had to tell my grandparents about it, and uh
Speaker 1: it broken my arm. I broke my own hand, and
Speaker 1: uh Tyler stopped me from from getting my gun once.
Speaker 1: You know, i'd i'd passed out at some point from
Speaker 1: I guess an adrenaline dump and pain. And uh tower
Speaker 1: talked sensing to me because I was gonna go off
Speaker 1: in the woods looking for it with a pistol, you know,
Speaker 1: like that would have been a good idea. And uh man,
Speaker 1: it was a long time before I saw that thing again.
Speaker 2: I mean it was. It was shy of a year, for sure, but.
Speaker 1: Uh man, and the next time I saw it completely alone,
Speaker 1: I was up in a deer stand. I decided to
Speaker 1: go and spread corn and move my deer stand. I
Speaker 1: brought my daughters out there, not you know, out into
Speaker 1: the woods, but to my grandfather's house. You know, I
Speaker 1: follow him through the house. I walked him in my
Speaker 1: grandfather's aware, so his head's on a swivel. Everybody's you know,
Speaker 1: being as safe as we can be. I mean, my
Speaker 1: kids can't just not see my grandparents, and I decided
Speaker 1: to go spread corn. And you know, you just got
Speaker 1: to act like things a normal. You can't let something
Speaker 1: control your life. So I went to spread my corn
Speaker 1: and move my deer stand and this thing comes through
Speaker 1: the thicket on the property line the back of our place.
Speaker 1: And I'm up, you know, twenty plus feet in a
Speaker 1: deer stand with a pistol. You know, I wasn't hunting,
Speaker 1: and uh, man, it sees me. It gets after this deer,
Speaker 1: this dough in front of me and looked like something
Speaker 1: was wrong with him and he couldn't catch her because
Speaker 1: she dipped, she pump faked him.
Speaker 2: She was gone. And then he sees me the wind
Speaker 2: changed direction at some point.
Speaker 1: And by the time that I excuse me, by the
Speaker 1: time that I realized that had changed, it was coming
Speaker 1: from behind me and he was dead in front of me.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he would have found me or
Speaker 1: not had that not happened, but he didn't. He didn't,
Speaker 1: and uh, he started towards me. Man, he showed me
Speaker 1: those teeth and he started towards me, and I popped
Speaker 1: a couple of chops off.
Speaker 2: At him and I hit it I might have hit
Speaker 2: him twice. I shot sat.
Speaker 1: Five five, I don't know, five to maybe eight rounds
Speaker 1: or so.
Speaker 2: I feel like I hit him twice.
Speaker 1: He reached over with the hand grabbed himself and he
Speaker 1: looks at me and and you know, and in the
Speaker 1: in my my my first bit with Vic where I
Speaker 1: told him my story initially, uh man, the night this
Speaker 1: think killed my dog, there was some kind of like
Speaker 1: a I mean, I'm gonna call it telepathy, dude, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know what else to call it. But it was.
Speaker 2: It was right.
Speaker 1: Before I decided to run, you know, and try to
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was gonna run and try to act.
Speaker 1: Later get my dog out of his hands or whatever
Speaker 1: whatever was going through my mind.
Speaker 2: It was like I didn't hear a voice.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like the voice in the back of your
Speaker 1: head that you you know, like your own thoughts or anything.
Speaker 1: But there was something that told me like a beckoning,
Speaker 1: like a challenge, come here, boy, come on boy, come here,
Speaker 1: like to me, like it was telling me, come on,
Speaker 1: come here, you know, like and uh this the you know,
Speaker 1: looking down at him from up in that stand, you know,
Speaker 1: I had slight sense of security because I'm so high
Speaker 1: in the air and I and I had to jump
Speaker 1: on him. I saw him first, and I had my
Speaker 1: gun out already. But you know, there was that same
Speaker 1: once I had popped him, once I had put to
Speaker 1: in him, there was that same whatever form of communicator,
Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call it, I wanna call it to
Speaker 1: let me because that's that that sounds crazy. But this,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess this, the story that I'm telling
Speaker 1: y'all sounds crazy, any of this stuff, so it is
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 2: But he told me I'll get.
Speaker 1: You like like like like you meant it like somehow
Speaker 1: someday soon I'm gonna get you. And there was no
Speaker 1: doubt that that was what he meant for me, to
Speaker 1: meant to portray to me, to get me to understand.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I that was uh.
Speaker 1: And he when he turned and he ran to the trees,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought he was gonna try to flank
Speaker 1: me again like he did the first time that night
Speaker 1: when me and Tyler had to run in with him,
Speaker 1: but he was gone. I didn't see him again after that.
Speaker 1: You know, I lived a good way for my grandparents,
Speaker 1: and after that I didn't see him at my place.
Speaker 1: But man, he killed both of my grandfathers, both of
Speaker 1: his dogs killed, killed Jack and Ruby and left and
Speaker 1: laying in the backyard. And uh, man, he destroyed. They
Speaker 1: had this old rundown, dilapidated barn that was you know,
Speaker 1: heyday when I was a young kid. But he had
Speaker 1: it set up with some you know, some chicken wire
Speaker 1: and they had moved all the chickens into this thing.
Speaker 1: Well all they had left, and man, this thing killed
Speaker 1: every one of my grandmother's chickens. Man destroyed the barn,
Speaker 1: ran through the wall of the barn and tore all
Speaker 1: the chicken wire down. I mean probably in one go,
Speaker 1: probably caught the wire and pulled it all down at
Speaker 1: one time. And uh it was frough. I mean it
Speaker 1: was just rough, dude, It was absolutely rough. But this
Speaker 1: one day, I'm pulling onto the road that I live on.
Speaker 1: I live off of one county road onto another one
Speaker 1: once you turn off the highway.
Speaker 2: Story of living in Mississippi.
Speaker 1: But we, uh, we hadn't seen hide nor hair of
Speaker 1: that thing over here where I live on the hill.
Speaker 2: Man. But when I pulled onto onto my road one day, man,
Speaker 2: I look.
Speaker 1: Because you can see there's a there's a cleared lot
Speaker 1: to my if you're looking from the road, it's.
Speaker 2: To my left.
Speaker 1: And uh you know, there's nobody nobody's built thything there. It's
Speaker 1: just been cut. It cook cut and you.
Speaker 2: Can see right through it up to the top of
Speaker 2: the hill.
Speaker 1: Man, that that big dark son of a gun was
Speaker 1: sitting on the top of the hill. At the back
Speaker 1: of my eight acres, there's a big tree line that's
Speaker 1: like perfect for the property line. If I haven't looked
Speaker 1: at my map for for my property in years, so
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure that tree line is the exact
Speaker 1: exact property line. And he was standing there like he
Speaker 1: like he knew he was on my place, standing there
Speaker 1: like you know.
Speaker 2: And uh man.
Speaker 1: From then on, so long story short, man, I ended
Speaker 1: up having to take my wife and my daughter's to
Speaker 1: stay with my my pop, who's who's my All this
Speaker 1: stuff initially happened on my father's father's place, on my
Speaker 1: my dad's side of the family. But I ended up
Speaker 1: sending my wife and my kids to my to my
Speaker 1: mom's dad up around you know, up in Tennessee. And
Speaker 1: uh man, that was rough as me and my wife,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna say, we almost didn't make it, man,
Speaker 1: And that's and it was rough. I just I this
Speaker 1: so this one night, I uh, you know, I'm here
Speaker 1: by myself, and uh, I hear something crazy going down
Speaker 1: in the backyard, so like something getting torn apart. And
Speaker 1: I look out the window the laundry room. It has
Speaker 1: the door that goes to the backyard, and I look
Speaker 1: out the window. Man, this thing is is I mean,
Speaker 1: my backyard isn't that wide. I mean it's between forty
Speaker 1: and fifty feet to the edge of where I sought
Speaker 1: it out to. Man, this thing is over there, and
Speaker 1: it is destroying my youngest little girls, just like a
Speaker 1: little purple, pink and white snap together playhouse that it's
Speaker 1: got like a little decorative windows on the outside. Tore
Speaker 1: it to a bazillion basis, man, just destroying it, just
Speaker 1: I guess, just to scare me or send a message
Speaker 1: or some something.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I ran back through the house. I grabbed my gun
Speaker 1: and it loaded with buckshot. I keep you know, I
Speaker 1: keep it loaded with bucksh out on the wall and
Speaker 1: case you know, had nothing to do with him.
Speaker 2: You know, that's for a person, really, man.
Speaker 1: I kicked the back door open and I fired a
Speaker 1: couple of shots at him, and he struck out, and
Speaker 1: he ran.
Speaker 2: Directly down the hill, straight through my neighbor's yard.
Speaker 1: And man, I felt a certain type of way about that,
Speaker 1: because I know that's what I needed to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: if he wasn't fixing it, you know, I think I
Speaker 1: think you should learn by now that it was not
Speaker 1: just not gonna be tax free when it comes to
Speaker 1: me or to my family or you know, my dog
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But he was out there just
Speaker 1: just having a hey day, destroying stuff in my backyard.
Speaker 1: And but when he ran down there, man, my my neighbor.
Speaker 1: His name is one I've gotten. I've gotten tight a
Speaker 1: crap with him. But he's got kids too, man, they're
Speaker 1: older than mine. And uh, but he's married, he's got
Speaker 1: a wife, he's got kids. And I felt a certain
Speaker 1: type of way about having sent that thing down through
Speaker 1: his yard. You know, what if they were outside, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, what if they were outside and
Speaker 1: they didn't know what was going on up here or something?
Speaker 1: You know, that was really anyway, I decided that I
Speaker 1: was going to have to go down there and say something.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how it was going to go, because
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's not every day or at all
Speaker 1: that you have to tell your neighbor or anybody else, like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: look the there's uh what you would probably look at
Speaker 1: and think of as a werewolf out here.
Speaker 2: It's not safe. So I go down there and knock
Speaker 2: on the door, and his wife answers the door, and
Speaker 2: she sway.
Speaker 1: She does to speak of lick, speak of licky English,
Speaker 1: and I said, you know one here she goes and
Speaker 1: gets one. I say, man, look, I need to explain
Speaker 1: something to you, and uh, you know, sitting easy. And
Speaker 1: I tell him what's going on, and uh, his eyes
Speaker 1: got big like it, I mean, it was it's kind
Speaker 1: of chilling, you know.
Speaker 2: It was like.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect him to believe me, and not only
Speaker 1: did he seem like he believed me, it frightened him. Well,
Speaker 1: he turns to his wife and he's talking to her,
Speaker 1: and I hear him say, what one is from Guatemala.
Speaker 1: One one moved up here, moved his family up here.
Speaker 1: He started this great, big construction company. He's a mad science,
Speaker 1: he said, builds all kinds of crazy stuff on his property.
Speaker 2: And he's, uh, he's done really well for himself.
Speaker 1: Man, but it's, you know, it's it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: understand when he speaks Spanish because I'm not fluent in it,
Speaker 1: but I did hear as he's talking to her, he said,
Speaker 1: hombre lobo or however, you know, I don't have the accent,
Speaker 1: but and I know that that means something like wear wool,
Speaker 1: or maybe it means dark. I don't know, but I've
Speaker 1: seen it. I've seen that caption on a picture before
Speaker 1: I know what it is. And her eyes get big.
Speaker 1: And it turns out that she saw this thing that
Speaker 1: night when I when I just just as I was,
Speaker 1: just as I was feeling bad for she saw it
Speaker 1: that night when it came through it. I guess she
Speaker 1: was on the back porch or so, but she saw
Speaker 1: it and she was aware of it. So not very
Speaker 1: long after that, Wan sent his wife and his kids off,
Speaker 1: and man, me and Juan got tight, We got really tight.
Speaker 2: Man. We went to war with that.
Speaker 1: Thing up here on this hill, and it was I mean,
Speaker 1: it was the same, just the same song and dance
Speaker 1: all over again, just not every night, not every man.
Speaker 1: We we'd go to three days with no sign of
Speaker 1: this thing. So times, you know, and uh, this was, Man,
Speaker 1: this was sometime I guess around I had I had
Speaker 1: spoken to Vic about that second encounter, and this was
Speaker 1: not very long at all.
Speaker 2: I want to say this.
Speaker 1: I want to say all this started at my place
Speaker 1: within a week of me talking to Vic. And I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what day that was, but I could
Speaker 1: look and find it anyway. So yeah, man, I mean
Speaker 1: there were just there were nights from me and one
Speaker 1: and like I said, what some nights we'd be down
Speaker 1: at his place. Some nights he'd come up here, and
Speaker 1: we'd always take dogs because I still I still have
Speaker 1: three of my dogs, you know, I still have I
Speaker 1: still have Dallas' girlfriend, his daughter, and this female pity
Speaker 1: that I rescued years ago. And I used to leave
Speaker 1: my dogs. You know, I can't lose no more. And
Speaker 1: uh man, we would stay up all night drinking whiskey,
Speaker 1: just you know, sometimes back to back in the living
Speaker 1: room and if not, man, we didn't never get very
Speaker 1: far from each other to where when you know, if
Speaker 1: anything crazy were to happen, which it did, and on
Speaker 1: several occasions then it was, like I said, it was the
Speaker 1: same thing, but every time he thing never really changed up.
Speaker 1: His tactics, except one night he slammed into the side
Speaker 1: of One's house scared the living crap out of us.
Speaker 2: I mean it was I thought the house was gonna
Speaker 2: come down, man, And.
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if a tree had fallen, because that
Speaker 1: was the first thing that I was the first sign
Speaker 1: that night, and it was boom here I am, you know,
Speaker 1: But uh, Man, me and Wan spent a whole whole
Speaker 1: lot of nights, you know, Liquid couraged out, just just
Speaker 1: waiting to either be killed by this thing or you know,
Speaker 1: to run it off.
Speaker 2: And we ran him off several times. Man. There was
Speaker 2: one night we were down at One's.
Speaker 1: House and I mean it was just like when I
Speaker 1: shot at him up here at my place for the
Speaker 1: first time. Man, we kicked open that back door, hopped
Speaker 1: out on the back porch and started sending slugs into
Speaker 1: the dark. Man, I was, you know, there wasn't very
Speaker 1: much of a chance there was a person outside messing
Speaker 1: with us. But had there been somebody on the property
Speaker 1: that night, they'd got shot. I mean it was, man,
Speaker 1: it was rough up here on this hill for a
Speaker 1: long time. Brother, it was bad, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and and you know, maintaining a sense of normal during that,
Speaker 1: Like we still had to go to work.
Speaker 2: Wal runs a company. He's got guys. You know.
Speaker 1: He would stay home some days and let my dogs
Speaker 1: stay over at his house. And you know, I can't think, dude, nothing,
Speaker 1: But I mean I had to go to work, you know,
Speaker 1: I had. I had to get up in the mornings,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I wouldn't go to sleep. I'd just be
Speaker 1: up drunk shooting all night and go to work, you know.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I worked with Tyler and he's
Speaker 1: he's kind of pushed me out when it or you know,
Speaker 1: he had kind of pushed me out when it came
Speaker 1: to this thing. You know, it was Tyler's got his
Speaker 1: own life, his own kids. You know, he's married, and
Speaker 1: I can't ask him to risk his life to help me.
Speaker 1: You know, he's already done it. So uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it was just me, man, But my my buddy Allen
Speaker 1: was somebody you know, got a good friend named Alan.
Speaker 2: Who is a medic, medic in the army. Bad, bad dude. Man.
Speaker 1: He's really really soft spoken, you know, good person, but
Speaker 1: he's he's hard as a coffin nail.
Speaker 2: He's uh, brutally honest.
Speaker 1: He says it nicely, but he says it to the point,
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're we're friends for a reason. He's
Speaker 1: he's the type of person who can handle being friends
Speaker 1: with somebody like me who doesn't.
Speaker 2: Really you're coat too much, but uh, you know this.
Speaker 2: I went to him and, uh, my wife was the phone.
Speaker 1: Had told me that, you know, baby, you can't spend
Speaker 1: every second of your day waiting on this thing, because
Speaker 1: you're at work, you're thinking about it, you're home, you're
Speaker 1: dealing with it, and it's you know, we miss you,
Speaker 1: we love you, and we're sorry that it's like this.
Speaker 1: And she recommended that I that I go see Alan
Speaker 1: and do something. So I go to Allen's house and uh,
Speaker 1: we made plans to go hunting.
Speaker 2: At first, he asked me.
Speaker 1: You know, I explained to him exactly what's going on,
Speaker 1: and it seemed kind of bewildered, but he man, he
Speaker 1: asked me, like, what what can I do to help?
Speaker 1: And you know, it's not easy to explain to somebody.
Speaker 1: This isn't a situation where you can just come in
Speaker 1: and help and then leave scott free. You can end
Speaker 1: up marked, you know, like this is I was clearly marked,
Speaker 1: and I really feel like I know why now, I'll
Speaker 1: get into it later, but I was clearly marked and
Speaker 1: I was sure shit, I mean, sure's crap.
Speaker 2: Sorry, excuse me.
Speaker 1: Didn't want anybody that I know being in that position,
Speaker 1: especially on my account, because I had already brought this
Speaker 1: thing into Wann's world. Man, and he you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't even do anything. He had no it was none
Speaker 1: of his business. And the dude has never had a
Speaker 1: bad dealing towards me because of it. Anyway, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: Alan and I make plans to go to go duck
Speaker 1: hunting here in Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Uh what you call it?
Speaker 1: Uh, duck season closed after it opens for a weekend,
Speaker 1: like initially, it closes down for a week and it
Speaker 1: opens up again.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a second opening day.
Speaker 1: You know, most people get their jitters out on the
Speaker 1: first one, so you don't have to contend with or
Speaker 1: you know, normally you don't have to contend with as
Speaker 1: many people to get a hunting spot. And uh, I
Speaker 1: know a great place, man, a great place.
Speaker 2: It's uh, I'm not gonna say where it is, but
Speaker 2: it's a good fought it's beautiful, good fish in there.
Speaker 1: There's good hunting there. It's you know, good for that
Speaker 1: me and now I make these plans. I was like, look, dude,
Speaker 1: I don't need your help. I just I need your help,
Speaker 1: but I just need to I need something else other
Speaker 1: than this all the time.
Speaker 2: And uh, it's like, may, let's go. Let's go.
Speaker 1: And I think what I said, Tom, don't judge me
Speaker 1: because it was a joke. I was like, man, let's
Speaker 1: go kill some innocent little ducks, you know. And uh, al,
Speaker 1: you know, Allan's a he's a born bread hunter man was.
Speaker 2: He was all for it.
Speaker 1: So we, uh, we go out to this place both
Speaker 1: the foe and pack everything in and uh, we're four
Speaker 1: miles from the truck, like right at four miles four
Speaker 1: point one something like that from the truck at the
Speaker 1: road long haul in and uh, this place, man, there's
Speaker 1: lots of natural stuff.
Speaker 2: Like it's really thick.
Speaker 1: It's really really thick, like they're all the fold was
Speaker 1: really there are places you can see you don't need
Speaker 1: a blind to sit in or anything.
Speaker 2: But then somebody had built this beautiful blind. It was made.
Speaker 2: I mean it looked like it looked like a bush.
Speaker 1: If I had to show them my headlights on it
Speaker 1: from the four, I wouldn't have seen it. I'd have
Speaker 1: passed by in it thinking it was a great, big
Speaker 1: old tree that had a bush growing on it or something,
Speaker 1: which is exactly what you want.
Speaker 2: But then this thing had a place to pull before into.
Speaker 1: It had a dog door, like not a flat dog door,
Speaker 1: but like a spot where your dog go out and
Speaker 1: get your dugs and stuff.
Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful. It's big enough for like four or five people.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'll see that, and we were, and
Speaker 1: you know, not to be jerks because somebody else built that,
Speaker 1: and if they showed up out there wanting to hunt it,
Speaker 1: it's just too bad because it's on public land. It's
Speaker 1: not like you bought the material. So we had found
Speaker 1: our spot. Well, yeah, it's probably be tween four and
Speaker 1: four thirty for sure, close to four thirty. We made
Speaker 1: it there. We throw decoys out and we get set
Speaker 1: up in the blind, just you know, goofing. You know
Speaker 1: that me and aln't been friends for a long time,
Speaker 1: years and years and years. That's that's one of those
Speaker 1: one of those friendship. Man, that's only that's the only
Speaker 1: friend I got calls me every day. I talk now
Speaker 1: and every day man and he used to butt me
Speaker 1: two extra times a day.
Speaker 2: I mean I thought him every day.
Speaker 1: And uh and if I don't, he calls me the
Speaker 1: next day like, hey man, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know why didn't holler at you. You know,
Speaker 2: he's just a good friend.
Speaker 1: And uh, we're sitting there just shooting it and uh,
Speaker 1: we see headlights coming. I was thinking, like, man, this
Speaker 1: dude's come out here and tell us this his blind.
Speaker 1: He want skin anyway, headlight's getting close. We all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, something runs in the blind, scarce the living
Speaker 1: crap out of me. It was a dog, black lab
Speaker 1: where it was dude's dog that was on the four wheeler. Well,
Speaker 1: I ain't a liad, Like I had my gun. I
Speaker 1: didn't point the gun dog gun and even loaded at
Speaker 1: that point because I wasn't shooting like yet, but I
Speaker 1: kind of had it up like in case I needed
Speaker 1: to bop him with the with the butt of the
Speaker 1: shotgun or whatever. And he sat down and wagged his ta.
Speaker 1: I was, oh, I mean your friend, hey buddy, I
Speaker 1: start petting him. I was looking for a tag. Was Well,
Speaker 1: the dude on the foo wheeler pulls up and he
Speaker 1: said and he stopped me say, I seeing it.
Speaker 2: Is there a dog in there with y'all? Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: right here, is yours? They said. We introduced himself. His
Speaker 2: name was Blair.
Speaker 1: This dog's name stars big old, big old, old, square
Speaker 1: headed black lad, big big head, no thoughts, just my
Speaker 1: type of dog. He explained us that he did build
Speaker 1: that blind and he was nice about it wasn't anything
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Uh. And we offered for him to sit with us.
Speaker 1: It was him and a couple people, but we offered
Speaker 1: him sit with us, and he said no, and uh,
Speaker 1: he said politely no. He said, look, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: ain't gonna, I ain't gonapete on y'all hunt me. I
Speaker 1: already hear you set decoys out all this stuff. And
Speaker 1: we were kind of hoping he'd say yes, and maybe
Speaker 1: his dog could go get our ducks for us and
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have to walk because the.
Speaker 2: MUD's deep out there. They said. The water's not terribly deep,
Speaker 2: you can wade through it, but the mud is hillacious,
Speaker 2: absolutely hilarious. But uh, he.
Speaker 1: Said, now I'm gonna go about one hundred and fift
Speaker 1: yards up here to this big thick Uh, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure it's not cuds. It looks like dead could too,
Speaker 1: but it's it's on this this tree, this tree truck
Speaker 1: that was topped or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's perfect for a person and a black dog to
Speaker 2: sit up against.
Speaker 1: And uh and he's like, man, I'll uh I holler
Speaker 1: at y'all later on.
Speaker 2: You know, I see what you're doing around shooting lights?
Speaker 2: All right, hello, excuse me.
Speaker 1: We uh we head back and buying for a little bit.
Speaker 1: And eventually I was like, man, I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: be all right. So he goes, he goes, He walks
Speaker 1: off in the woods and he does his business. And uh,
Speaker 1: when I was sitting there, you know, wait none to
Speaker 1: come back. And uh, man, I hear him and he
Speaker 1: was talking and I thought he was talking to me,
Speaker 1: but he says, hey, hey, hi, and I stood up because.
Speaker 2: I thought he was hollering me. I started to hit
Speaker 2: out there. I hear him say, hey bear, hey, hey bear. Hey.
Speaker 2: Alan goes.
Speaker 1: Alan feels a grizzly tag every whenever. It is every
Speaker 1: year he's got some buddy in uh in Wyoming where
Speaker 1: he goes and fills the grizzly tag.
Speaker 2: I believe it is why it might be Montana.
Speaker 1: Actually I might be wrong about that, but uh, he
Speaker 1: feels the grizzly tag every like he's got a bear
Speaker 1: skin rug in his house.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, and uh, he was hollering, hey bear, Hey,
Speaker 2: hey bear.
Speaker 1: I mean, I ain't never seen a bear, and I
Speaker 1: mean other than at the zoo in real life. But
Speaker 1: I know that that's what when you're in bear country,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to let bears know that you're around because
Speaker 1: norm way they'll get away from you.
Speaker 2: But man, we there.
Speaker 1: We have black bears around here, like they're they're not
Speaker 1: around here close around here, like they are tagged black
Speaker 1: bears in the state, and there's probably more than the
Speaker 1: ones that are tagged. But dude, I've never seen one.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who's ever seen one. So him
Speaker 1: hollering hey bear really freaked me out. And I should
Speaker 1: have known right then what was going down. I should
Speaker 1: have I should have picked up on that and that
Speaker 1: it was going down, but I didn't. So I walk
Speaker 1: out and man, he's and I'm out of the blind
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm headed towards him.
Speaker 2: Well I see him. Come.
Speaker 1: You know, my eyes still kind of adjusting to the
Speaker 1: light because it's not completely light yet and he's coming
Speaker 1: towards me. And he's coming to you know, he's where
Speaker 1: duck hunting waiters with those big sixteen or eighteen hundred
Speaker 1: grain pensilated boots or whatever, you can't move very fast.
Speaker 1: Alan's high stepping. He is moving towards me, and man,
Speaker 1: I see it behind him. I see it coming behind him.
Speaker 1: It wasn't moving fast at first, it was following him.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I turned around and I, you know, I didn't think
Speaker 1: about it like this at the time, but I left Alan.
Speaker 1: I left him. I didn't mean to. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: I was abandon you know. I had to get to
Speaker 1: my gun. That was the first thing I had was
Speaker 1: get to the gun. And man in my gun, I
Speaker 1: have a oh god, a I think I shoot my
Speaker 1: duck rounds out of a modified choke. Well, I keep
Speaker 1: slugs in my pocket, like two or three of them
Speaker 1: always at all time. You run into a hog, you know,
Speaker 1: you're season duck season overlap. You may mess around and
Speaker 1: see a big old buck and be wanting to shoot him.
Speaker 1: It's really dangerous to shoot those out of it. Don't
Speaker 1: anybody take that as a suggestion, because it's not. You're
Speaker 1: not supposed to shoot slugs out of any choke that
Speaker 1: you shoot duck rounds at or you know, loads or
Speaker 1: anything like that out of them. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: literally mushroom the end of your gun like then your bear.
Speaker 1: You can blow it off. You can kill yourself. But
Speaker 1: in the moment, you know, hunter safety didn't really come through.
Speaker 2: Strong to me. So, man, I run through the hole
Speaker 2: in the blind. I grabbed my gun and I jumped
Speaker 2: over the front of the blind.
Speaker 1: It's almost too tall for you to sit down and hunt,
Speaker 1: but I jump over and I fall in the water.
Speaker 2: Dude, it was cold. It was super cold, like ice
Speaker 2: in the water. Cold. And I fall in the water.
Speaker 2: My waiters are like half full of water. My gun
Speaker 2: fell in the water.
Speaker 1: I never dropped it, but it went under and uh
Speaker 1: Alan got to jump on me.
Speaker 2: It was ahead of me. So man, I'm i'm I'm
Speaker 2: moving and I get I get out. You know this
Speaker 2: is I.
Speaker 1: Can't say how far across it is. It's a I
Speaker 1: don't know at that point we were at it was.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'll be out there tomorrow. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I'll be out there tomorrow. I'll look at it. I
Speaker 1: won't be at that part, but I'll be at a
Speaker 1: different part of it. But uh, anyway, I make it,
Speaker 1: you know, good ways out into this water.
Speaker 2: And I turn around and this thing is there staring
Speaker 2: at me, staring at me.
Speaker 1: And I'm not the type to run away, but there
Speaker 1: was really right there in that moment, I was holding
Speaker 1: my gun. Now that I'm thinking about, I didn't say this.
Speaker 1: I didn't say it like this to be gifts, but
Speaker 1: I was holding my gun. I could have stopped and
Speaker 1: shuck the shell right there and maybe taking a shot,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. It didn't even occur to me to
Speaker 1: that is when I turn and I look at it, man,
Speaker 1: I start it's like a weird I started to feel
Speaker 1: funny and uh, really hard to expend it. Like I
Speaker 1: was like, I was, uh, what's what's the word? You know,
Speaker 1: like when you were in class as a kid and
Speaker 1: you start to not daydreaming, I guess, But it's.
Speaker 2: Like I was in a daze. That's that's that's the
Speaker 2: best way to say. It's like it's like I fell
Speaker 2: into a daze somehow.
Speaker 1: Allen hollers at me and he grabs me and we
Speaker 1: make the bank on the other side, and I could
Speaker 1: hear it behind me at that point, it was in
Speaker 1: the water, it was coming towards us. And uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember I reached for a slug at that point,
Speaker 1: I reached for a slug somewhere going up the bank,
Speaker 1: I reached for a slug. But I absolutely one do
Speaker 1: not remember loading that slug in my gun.
Speaker 2: If if I.
Speaker 1: Said, but don't remember, like I I know I did now,
Speaker 1: but I still don't feel like I stuck that slug
Speaker 1: in my gun.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how that happened.
Speaker 1: But uh, man, I hit the bank and I turned
Speaker 1: towards this thing and we are standing, you know, standing
Speaker 1: just to tell you how big the size, because I've
Speaker 1: you know, I've.
Speaker 2: Seen him twice.
Speaker 1: I've stood in front of him on the ground once,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was way above him the second
Speaker 1: time we ever saw each other. But man, I was standing,
Speaker 1: I was probably two feet out of that water. And
Speaker 1: he's he was big, like he's really that thing has
Speaker 1: to weigh six hundred and fifty pounds, six hundred six
Speaker 1: between six and seven hundred pounds monster huge man. And
Speaker 1: to stand that hub out of the water and still
Speaker 1: be almost level with this thing, because man, he was
Speaker 1: weighed out in the mud, I'm like two hundred plus,
Speaker 1: you know, lower mid two hundreds, and it was really
Speaker 1: and I also had a bunch of whie. I probably
Speaker 1: had twenty five pounds of water in my waiters as well,
Speaker 1: so that didn't help. But it was really difficult for
Speaker 1: me to weigh through that because of the mud man.
Speaker 1: That thing is so big. He was bogged like he was.
Speaker 1: That's the only reason things worked out the way they did.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind at all. That's the
Speaker 1: only thing that helped us. But man, I raised my
Speaker 1: gun and again at this time, I'm not aware that
Speaker 1: I didn't put the slug in, but it's I'm still
Speaker 1: not sure at what point or how that happened. Like
Speaker 1: I'm not completely.
Speaker 2: Lost, but.
Speaker 1: I raised my gun. Man go to raise my gun,
Speaker 1: and I start to feel It's hard to explain.
Speaker 2: It was like a.
Speaker 1: Like a really bad muscle cramp, really bad muscle cramp,
Speaker 1: but with heat, like with a burning paining.
Speaker 2: Like like a like a like you got stuck with
Speaker 2: a hot cattle prod or something.
Speaker 1: And man, they were they were like it was I
Speaker 1: had a couple of on my abdomen one was in
Speaker 1: my left arm and all that stuff, and it was
Speaker 1: really it was weird. And now now I'm very, very
Speaker 1: aware this thing has absolutely, somehow the ability to portray
Speaker 1: its own or not portrayed, to to project its own
Speaker 1: feelings physical and emotional on people.
Speaker 2: That's what happened to me the first night.
Speaker 1: When he when he when he when he when that
Speaker 1: that beckoning, that challenge that come here, come here boy.
Speaker 1: And then and then when he was letting me know
Speaker 1: that the day when I was up in my standing
Speaker 1: and we ran into each other, he was letting me know,
Speaker 1: I'll get you. I will get you somehow, I will
Speaker 1: get you. It was there was communication there, but it
Speaker 1: was still at that point it was still foggy that
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that that's what that was, and absolutely
Speaker 1: no idea what that was. So it's it's, you know,
Speaker 1: it's really weird. At this point, it was like, not
Speaker 1: gonna say it. It's like, I totally think that anyway.
Speaker 1: It was strange. It's really really strange, man, and kind
Speaker 1: of kind of scary in a way, you know. And uh,
Speaker 1: I'm not the one to be afraid, and it's not
Speaker 1: fun to admit that I was afraid, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was frightening, man, it really was. Well, then it
Speaker 1: gets really weird and I start hearing this thing telling.
Speaker 2: Me shoot, shoe shue, damn shoot.
Speaker 1: And I realized about just as past as I realized
Speaker 1: that I was still stuck in the days, that it's
Speaker 1: Alan streaming at me. Allan's standing right beside me, right Besides,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a miracle that he did not snatch
Speaker 1: the gun from me and shoot by himself. Alan is
Speaker 1: screaming to me, cam shoot. Can't other words in there
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to use. But man, I look
Speaker 1: at this, and you know, Alan's got my attention. I'm, I'm, I'm,
Speaker 1: I've got my focus back. And I guess I guess
Speaker 1: him being there being so loud was enough to snap me.
Speaker 1: I want to say I was under his control almost
Speaker 1: because I raised my gun with the intention to shoot
Speaker 1: and I did not shoot, And it wasn't because I
Speaker 1: chose not to shoot. So I want to say it
Speaker 1: had some kind of a hold on me. But man,
Speaker 1: Alan snapped me out of it. And and I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess now it realized that because men it roared
Speaker 1: at me, and I know, I said it. I know,
Speaker 1: I've I've said it before. I've said it more than once.
Speaker 1: You don't know what loud is.
Speaker 2: You do not know what loud. I don't, dude.
Speaker 1: I used to go to the Pyramid in Memphis when
Speaker 1: I was really little and watching mark their trucks inside
Speaker 1: that was that was like crazy loud. There's nothing, there's
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing like. It's so loud. It disrupts you. It
Speaker 1: can disrupt your breathing like it's it's it's the equipment.
Speaker 1: If you ever sat in a car they had like
Speaker 1: a massive stereo system in it with a lot of
Speaker 1: bass and stuff like that. It can disrupt your your
Speaker 1: heart rate and your breathing like it really, it really has.
Speaker 2: That effect on you. And there was nothing between me
Speaker 2: and him.
Speaker 1: It was full blast, and man, I put the bead
Speaker 1: between his eyes and pulled the trigger and either he
Speaker 1: moved or or I moved a little bit. And I
Speaker 1: didn't shoot him in the head. I shot him right
Speaker 1: through the eye right and eyeball right in the left eye.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I told Ben, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: this just like I said yesterday because because I don't
Speaker 1: this is not easy to talk about. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to sound like I feel bad, because I definitely
Speaker 1: do not. I do not and any way, shape form
Speaker 1: or fashion, have regret for doing what I did at all.
Speaker 2: But I had to.
Speaker 1: I had to put a dog down a few years ago,
Speaker 1: and and I had to do it myself. My dog attacked.
Speaker 1: His name was Roscoe. I had him before I had Dallas.
Speaker 1: And he's the reason why Dallas was so special when
Speaker 1: I found him. Because I was at work one day
Speaker 1: and my wife called me screaming and crying, Sam Roscoe
Speaker 1: had attacked her. Man, Roscoe slept with my children. He
Speaker 1: loved my kids. Man, those were his babies. You couldn't
Speaker 1: make you couldn't touch my kids around him. Man, he
Speaker 1: wasn't playing with you.
Speaker 2: I mean he was.
Speaker 1: He was him and Dallas were I mean, and physically,
Speaker 1: if y'all have seen that picture of Dallas, you've seen Roscoe,
Speaker 1: you've seen him.
Speaker 2: You know exactly what minus minus twenty five pounds or
Speaker 2: so Dallas. Dallas had size on him.
Speaker 1: But if you've seen a picture of him, if you
Speaker 1: saw that the good one that Vic posted, it made
Speaker 1: me cry like a you know kid. And you've seen Russ,
Speaker 1: you know what he looks like. But man, I tried
Speaker 1: to find somebody to take him. I tried everything I
Speaker 1: could do. I called the shelter and they told me
Speaker 1: they were going to put him on the bite list.
Speaker 1: They had to say that he was aggressive because they
Speaker 1: couldn't sell him to somebody who might have small children
Speaker 1: who could be at risk, or a single woman who
Speaker 1: make you know, And they told me straight up, they said,
Speaker 1: they said that lots of times those dogs don't make
Speaker 1: it because they have to be very strenuous with the
Speaker 1: process of screening who they go to, because they can
Speaker 1: end up his fighting dogs, or they can end up
Speaker 1: in the wrong hands, or they can this, that and
Speaker 1: the other. So I had a choice that I could
Speaker 1: take him and drop him off and have him, you know,
Speaker 1: just take him, drop him off and leave him there
Speaker 1: and have him wondering where I was and why I'd
Speaker 1: left him.
Speaker 2: Until they killed him, you know.
Speaker 1: But uh so I took him one day out to
Speaker 1: my I took him to my grandpa's house up to
Speaker 1: my deer stand, and we stopped and got a cheeseburger
Speaker 1: on the way out there, and uh we our burgers,
Speaker 1: and he played in the water in the pond for
Speaker 1: a minute, and I did what I had to do, man.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know it was like when I found out.
Speaker 2: I mean it was it was completely about chance. You know.
Speaker 1: It's completely and totally the most random experience that that
Speaker 1: I've ever had.
Speaker 2: H And uh, it was like I was supposed to
Speaker 2: find him, man. You know he did.
Speaker 1: He did everything that Roscoe did minus attacking my wife.
Speaker 1: You know, he loved my kids and and he saved
Speaker 1: my life. You know, when you when you have to
Speaker 1: do something like that. I don't know if y'all seen
Speaker 1: Old Yeller, but that's not how it goes when you
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 4: Put your dog down. It's not that easy. But it's
Speaker 4: not an image. It's not an image that you get
Speaker 4: out of your head. You know, he can put that
Speaker 4: out your lack of just some win. But you know,
Speaker 4: I shot that thing.
Speaker 2: Man. It was like watching me, like watching myself shoot
Speaker 2: my damn dog. You know, he needed to die. He
Speaker 2: deserves to die like that.
Speaker 1: Those things have no place existing among among humans on
Speaker 1: this planet, where there are women, children and things, people
Speaker 1: that can't help themselves, just that there's no place for
Speaker 1: monsters like that.
Speaker 2: I don't feel bad at all about what I did.
Speaker 2: But man, I felt terrible after doing it.
Speaker 1: You know, it was just it was man I put
Speaker 1: I put that round through his eye and he, you know,
Speaker 1: he grabbed his face. He caught his face all the pieces.
Speaker 1: I guess he thought he could pull it out something
Speaker 1: or another. But uh, after after just a few stagings, man,
Speaker 1: he stopped moving.
Speaker 2: He starts to slump over and uh.
Speaker 1: And we're just standing there and ain't said a word.
Speaker 1: I ain't said a word. My ears were still ringing
Speaker 1: from from the shot. And I turned and I looked,
Speaker 1: and that Blair guy with his dog. They are booking
Speaker 1: it down the down the down the bank towards They're
Speaker 1: on the opposite side, actually cross, but they're booking it
Speaker 1: towards us. They ain't get on the four wheeler and
Speaker 1: come towards us. They are booking it towards us. And
Speaker 1: we see him over there and he stops and he
Speaker 1: looks like, what in the hell is that man? Anyway,
Speaker 1: I said, stay there, we come over there.
Speaker 2: Me and Al walked. We walked. We had to.
Speaker 1: We had to go to the left and walk all
Speaker 1: the way. It was a long way, man, long way.
Speaker 1: We walked all the way around the end of that
Speaker 1: part of that slew where it got shallow into the
Speaker 1: grass and met him over there and he's still waiting
Speaker 1: on us, and uh.
Speaker 2: We exchanged our what the hell's you know? Because he
Speaker 2: was like, I've never seen anything like that in my life.
Speaker 2: They were like, dude, you got to If I was,
Speaker 2: I would get out of here.
Speaker 5: I believe Yeah, I think I wanted that. When he
Speaker 5: went and got this for where and he got all
Speaker 5: down and he no sooner he was pulling off man.
Speaker 2: Alan. Alan finally thought to me, and he was.
Speaker 1: Like, man, I think we need to cook too, because
Speaker 1: I wasn't, you know, and think about as soon as
Speaker 1: I did it, but I realized that we had We
Speaker 1: had fired a gun before shooting, which is a crime
Speaker 1: in and of itself. I mean, I said, crime. You
Speaker 1: ain't even go to fail for it. You get a big
Speaker 1: fat ticket, big old fat ticket. E sespecially if the
Speaker 1: game warning catches you. Better not let it be a
Speaker 1: federal game warning the drivers of the silver trucks either.
Speaker 1: But at this point in my life, I've never had
Speaker 1: a run in with a game warning while I was hunting.
Speaker 1: I've always hunted private land. I've has been so far
Speaker 1: back off in a place that you know, they normally
Speaker 1: wait on you at your truck.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: We hit the trail and we don't I mean we
Speaker 1: make it. We didn't make a half mile. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you that we didn't make it half a mile. We
Speaker 1: get hit with a spotlight and it's a it's a
Speaker 1: freaking game. Well he comes up, uh and he asked
Speaker 1: us to company.
Speaker 2: He said it.
Speaker 1: Said, who was that boy that ran for me on
Speaker 1: that oo wheel with the dog? So I guess Blair
Speaker 1: gave him the slip. I guess David Seine Blair and
Speaker 1: Blair gave it the slip.
Speaker 2: And I don't believe it. To be honest, I ain't
Speaker 2: want to tell you that I'm a run from the wall.
Speaker 2: But if there was ever a time, you know, but
Speaker 2: uh many chempters. He shoot, that's all shooting.
Speaker 1: I told him, know that Allen busted me out. Allen
Speaker 1: straight up busted me out. It came you need to
Speaker 1: tell him what's going on. And I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I love Alan. That's my brother, and I say it
Speaker 2: because of my brother. I wanted to punch him in
Speaker 2: his mouth.
Speaker 1: I wanted to correct him right there in front of
Speaker 1: anyway we end up taking the dude back to the
Speaker 1: spot and this thing is stup. Man, he's still in
Speaker 1: the water. I mean, obviously he's.
Speaker 2: Still in the water, but he still hadn't fallen below
Speaker 2: the water left, but it.
Speaker 1: Is his right shoulder and his head were still very
Speaker 1: very visible about the water.
Speaker 2: Sun's coming up and all kinds of.
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, anyway, he sees this thing from the
Speaker 1: bad and you know it's it's not as dark black
Speaker 1: as a black bear. But if I saw it at
Speaker 1: a glance and that was that'd be my first guess
Speaker 1: if I saw what he saw, which was the back
Speaker 1: of a head with some ears, and you know it
Speaker 1: wouldn't he wouldn't. He wouldn't too misguided in making that assumption. Man,
Speaker 1: that dude looked at me, said you shot a black bear,
Speaker 1: And ude, I knew I was fixing the bands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, black of a better ware, and uh, man, we
Speaker 2: go over there. He tells us to come on. We
Speaker 2: hop back in his die, I said, we go.
Speaker 1: Over them, and he looks at this thing head on
Speaker 1: and he went and radioed for backup, and this great
Speaker 1: big fellas, big old ball dude shows up and uh,
Speaker 1: neither one of them were the were the federal game
Speaker 1: game wardens are there. They're federal agents. But the guys
Speaker 1: in the green trucks are different than the guys in
Speaker 1: the silver trucks. And the guys in the silver trucks
Speaker 1: have that wand like the metallic one, they can wave
Speaker 1: and see if you shot your ducks with lead shot
Speaker 1: or whatever. Both these guys were green Jean game wardens
Speaker 1: run of the mill. And here I am with I've
Speaker 1: had I've got to run in with two of them now,
Speaker 1: and I've never even I've never even been kicked by
Speaker 1: game warden wileat before.
Speaker 2: So I racked up two of those in one day. Man,
Speaker 2: that big.
Speaker 1: Fellow he looked for what. Man, he didn't look surprised
Speaker 1: at all. Let me let me say that before I
Speaker 1: forget to mention that, because that was kind.
Speaker 2: Of weird too.
Speaker 1: That dude was not surprised in the least bit, not even.
Speaker 1: But he told us we needed to get on down.
Speaker 1: He ain't that a whole lot. He's like, Man, I
Speaker 1: think y'all should leave right now. Y'all need to get
Speaker 1: on out of here. And man, we left. We got
Speaker 1: on down, bro, and uh, I dropped Alan off at
Speaker 1: his house and we sat there for a minute. He's like, man, okay,
Speaker 1: and he was asking me more than are you all right?
Speaker 1: Like is everything going to be all right? And are
Speaker 1: you okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, and uh man, I just it's it's it's
Speaker 2: it's surreal, like it's it's over. It's over.
Speaker 1: It's really over. My family is safe. We're safe, like
Speaker 1: we they're back at my house. Like I'm in my
Speaker 1: driveway right now. I'm I'm not worried about being out here.
Speaker 1: My children are eighth inside. I'm not sure they were.
Speaker 1: They were terrorizing their mom a few minutes ago, wanting
Speaker 1: wanting the the eminem ice cream cookies that we bought
Speaker 1: from the Star earlier. But this is my normal life,
Speaker 1: Like my normal life is completely back in full swing
Speaker 1: as much as it can possibly be, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going with Alan, I'm going, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see him tomorrow. I as a real person, this
Speaker 1: is my real best friend.
Speaker 2: I'm going hunting with him in the morning, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Not worried about it at all. My family is gonna
Speaker 1: be here safe at my now. Warren's down the hill,
Speaker 1: my my brother from another mother's down the hill down there,
Speaker 1: he's you know, I know he's always and both of us.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd watched dude's house for him while he
Speaker 1: was going if he didn't ask me to, you know,
Speaker 1: but there's always eyes open on this hill. And my
Speaker 1: family is safe while we're here. Warren's family is safe
Speaker 1: while I'm here. He ain't gonna ask me for that.
Speaker 1: That dude is done and done for me.
Speaker 2: Man, I didn't even know him when it started.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but my my life is back, my my my
Speaker 1: regular every day. And I say that my kids are
Speaker 1: still not allowed to go outside without me, let me
Speaker 1: And what I guess.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm in it.
Speaker 1: Really When I said as normal as it can be,
Speaker 1: I mean, my kids are not going to go outside
Speaker 1: without me.
Speaker 2: I don't let my dogs outside for very long. You know.
Speaker 1: They go to the bathroom and I stand on the
Speaker 1: porch the whole time that it's time, holler for him
Speaker 1: to come back.
Speaker 2: I don't even let them go in the backyard. They went.
Speaker 1: We got a great big front yard. But you know,
Speaker 1: but other other than those things, man, I know it's
Speaker 1: safe now. It's it's just a safe as it was,
Speaker 1: you know before all this came to be before all
Speaker 1: these things happened with me. And uh, and there's something
Speaker 1: that I forgot to mention. Not that it really matters,
Speaker 1: I guess, but my my my pop, my mom's dad
Speaker 1: and who my my little girls, my wife went to
Speaker 1: stay with you know when all when all this all
Speaker 1: the all that was going down up here. Man, and
Speaker 1: that dude didn't believe me. I swear it all my life.
Speaker 2: He did not. You know, he didn't say he said things.
Speaker 1: He asked me if I was trying to abandon my family,
Speaker 1: No junk, I swear all he asked me, if I
Speaker 1: was trying to abandon my family and dump them on
Speaker 1: him like dude. Anyway, I received more of a you know,
Speaker 1: I received more of a warm welcome here on vix On,
Speaker 1: on vixed platform from folks I don't even know. You know,
Speaker 1: there's there's and there is somebody that I do know
Speaker 1: that recognized me out here. Miss misrus Anne, if you're listening,
Speaker 1: thank you for your kind words.
Speaker 2: I love you, and uh Jay and b to death.
Speaker 1: Actually I'm not gonna say those names, but uh, you know, the.
Speaker 2: People here have been the ones that were and my
Speaker 2: mind for allen.
Speaker 1: You know, and and and my my grandpa, not my pop,
Speaker 1: but my grandpa.
Speaker 2: And my my pop believes me now. But that was
Speaker 2: really a thing, man.
Speaker 1: He really asked me if I was if I was
Speaker 1: looking for a way to abandon my like like I've
Speaker 1: ever done anything, Marrit asking me that. But you know,
Speaker 1: the people here on this channel were I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the nicest, nicer than anybody's man, you know, the the
Speaker 1: embrace was was just I needed that like I needed it. It
Speaker 1: was it was a you know, a slice of ice
Speaker 1: in in the midst of a bunch of you know,
Speaker 1: crazy crap going on in my life. And uh, my
Speaker 1: life will never be completely normal ever again, because man,
Speaker 1: that's that's not the only one of those things out there.
Speaker 2: It was the only one that had me marked, thank god.
Speaker 1: But as normal as my life can be, it's gonna be,
Speaker 1: especially after this long and you know, all this happened,
Speaker 1: all this happened. I told Vick it was it was
Speaker 1: the sticks and de sound was wrong. That was a Friday.
Speaker 1: It was the seventh December, the seventh, man, it was.
Speaker 1: It was four days, four days outside of the year.
Speaker 1: And that that that that it took Dallas for me,
Speaker 1: so he got his you know, he got my dog man,
Speaker 1: he got a lot.
Speaker 2: More than my dog. He got a lot of things,
Speaker 2: you know, he got a lot of things.
Speaker 1: He got a lot of things from my family, you know,
Speaker 1: and and he got he got things from one, he
Speaker 1: got things from Alan. That thing is is a thief.
Speaker 1: He stole something from everybody, everybody involved, you know, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's.
Speaker 2: I don't feel bad about it. Again.
Speaker 1: I don't feel the beliefs bit bad, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad at all.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just their there variables that I couldn't control, and
Speaker 1: people who are affected in ways that I couldn't help,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just my fault.
Speaker 2: And I feel like it was because this.
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like that thing was on because
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I was just bamboozling as
Speaker 1: to why it was after me, you know, why why
Speaker 1: it was me? Why Why was I the one it
Speaker 1: was after Tyler blasted him. Tyler's the one who shot
Speaker 1: him first. It was I was just I was absolutely,
Speaker 1: just completely just confused at that how that was. But
Speaker 1: now I didn't even say this to Vic yesterday, and
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it a lot today.
Speaker 2: Man, that thing. I wasn't as afraid of it as
Speaker 2: it wanted or as it needed, because they feed on it.
Speaker 2: There's no way they don't feed on that. Man. I
Speaker 2: if you'd have told me that both, like.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, not long outside of my first run
Speaker 1: in with this thing, I might have told you were
Speaker 1: nuts for thinking that. And you know, it's crazy that
Speaker 1: I can even begetting to call somebody nuts after what
Speaker 1: I've seen.
Speaker 2: But that just didn't make much sense to me. But now, h.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's dude, there's no that's that's the only
Speaker 1: thing I can think of because, like I said, if
Speaker 1: if you were going by logic, letting logic dictate, Tyler
Speaker 1: shot that thing first, it should have been after him.
Speaker 1: Tyler was man, Tyler's shaking his boots. I was I
Speaker 1: was scared. I was scared, you know whatever admnute I
Speaker 1: was scared. I wasn't terrified. I wouldn't take it in
Speaker 1: my boots. I wasn't ready to run, man, I'm never
Speaker 1: gonna run. I wanna fight if I can, even if
Speaker 1: I get woked.
Speaker 2: You know, there's no sense to not.
Speaker 1: But I feel like it didn't get what it needed.
Speaker 1: For me, and it was gonna persist until it got
Speaker 1: it or until it got me. And you know, I was, man,
Speaker 1: I there's there's no I can't tell you how fortunate
Speaker 1: I am. I'm I'm I am not some hard ass sorry,
Speaker 1: pardon me, I just I'm trying to illustrate here. I'm
Speaker 1: not some hard headed or hardcore dog man hunter man,
Speaker 1: and never in my life gone out and hunting and
Speaker 1: killed one of those things. That's not I wouldn't recommend
Speaker 1: anybody doing that. You know, that's you got a death witch.
Speaker 1: I just my hand was forced and I had that
Speaker 1: at the time. I had the upper hand, Thank God,
Speaker 1: thank Alan, you know, man, just just to let you
Speaker 1: know how dangerous it is. I mean, dude, I had,
Speaker 1: I had a bead between his eyes. I was, I was,
Speaker 1: I had every intention to blow and his brains out, man,
Speaker 1: And that thing grabbed a hold of me teleopathic. I
Speaker 1: don't know how said teleopathically. I mean it snatched a
Speaker 1: hold of me so fast, man, you know, it stopped
Speaker 1: me from shooting. There were several seconds that went by
Speaker 1: in that time. I mean, you know, I dare say
Speaker 1: ten seconds could have gone by. I'll ask Alan, I'll
Speaker 1: ask him just to you know, just to get that
Speaker 1: little tidbit. But man, but anyway, you know, I had
Speaker 1: I had to talk to Vic. You know, it's been
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: This was December seventh. I mean that was once a
Speaker 1: month ago, almost a month ago. But man, my family's home,
Speaker 1: my life is as normal as it can be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Tyler. Tyler's feeling better now. I've told him about
Speaker 1: all that, even though he pushed me out. You know,
Speaker 1: I couldn't ask Tyler to come and risk his life
Speaker 1: and risk taking himself away from his children to help me.
Speaker 1: But you know, he was, he was. He was in
Speaker 1: it with me, you know, he was.
Speaker 2: He was in it with me. But he's it's it's
Speaker 2: given him peace.
Speaker 1: Of mind to know there are a problem, is the
Speaker 1: problem anymore, you know, And it's a he couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: I told him he couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: He was like, I can't say what he was saying,
Speaker 1: but he didn't believe me, you know. And uh, there
Speaker 1: was this overdue to call Vic and talk to him.
Speaker 2: Man, I I'm be honest with you. I would have
Speaker 2: done it sooner.
Speaker 1: I just I've been I've been so happy to live normal,
Speaker 1: to go to sleep and wake up as normal as
Speaker 1: I can't, cause it took me. You man, it's probably
Speaker 1: a week after I had take some some night cluill
Speaker 1: because I got thick. And that was my first regular
Speaker 1: art pretty much regular night's sleep and a couple of months,
Speaker 1: and it was one of the most wonderful things ever.
Speaker 2: That was awesome. Uh, you know, but I had to
Speaker 2: tell Vic and uh, you know, I wanted.
Speaker 1: To tell everybody else to you know, that that first,
Speaker 1: that first story, man, that was that was hard to tell.
Speaker 1: That was that was difficult to get out, man. It was,
Speaker 1: you know, and everybody was so y'all are awesome. Every
Speaker 1: one of y'all are beautiful and wonderful and and some
Speaker 1: of the best people I've ever not met, you know,
Speaker 1: But that was really that was really difficult to get out, man,
Speaker 1: especially to a bunch of people I don't know that
Speaker 1: are listening to me over the internet. You know.
Speaker 2: It was just kind of strange. But I'm really glad
Speaker 2: that I did it. I really am. I'm really glad
Speaker 2: I met Vig. Dude's wonderful. He's awesome.
Speaker 1: He has this way of letting you tell your story
Speaker 1: and and you know, you're just free to flow and
Speaker 1: tell it.
Speaker 2: It's it.
Speaker 1: You can just get it right off your ass. Man,
Speaker 1: there's no you know, this was the place to go.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad I picked this one. And and I'm
Speaker 1: glad y'all listen, and I'm glad that my family's back
Speaker 1: at my house, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just you know, I had to tell.
Speaker 1: I had to tell Vic, and I asked to tell y'all.
Speaker 1: Vic didn't ask me to do this. He puts zero
Speaker 1: pressure on me to come here and do this. This
Speaker 1: was I asked him, like, hey, man, and I'll be.
Speaker 2: Honest with you.
Speaker 1: The reason that I asked him the way I asked
Speaker 1: him was do you think it's safe? Because one more thing, Man,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything else about this.
Speaker 2: My game one got my info, you know.
Speaker 1: They they have my number, they have my name, they
Speaker 1: know who I am, they know what I did.
Speaker 6: And I was really really really really really really really
Speaker 6: expecting somebody to show up at my house, you know,
Speaker 6: whether it be somebody in a suit or from an
Speaker 6: Alphabet agency to ask me questions or to confiscate my guns,
Speaker 6: or you know, something or another.
Speaker 2: And man, I have not seen heard from anybody, and
Speaker 2: I told that how weird I thought that was.
Speaker 1: And you know, let's victim was like, oh man, look
Speaker 1: if they if they wanted something for you by now
Speaker 1: that he came and got you, because I had.
Speaker 7: I'll be honestly, I kind of been stressing over that.
Speaker 7: That was the only thing I'm stressing over, you know,
Speaker 7: at this point, because it's it's just good to have
Speaker 7: my life back. But uh, I was completely and totally
Speaker 7: kind of braced for that at my door, you know,
Speaker 7: and it has. It just didn't come, and I hope
Speaker 7: that it doesn't because I don't want to talk.
Speaker 2: I talked to y'all in to be because I chose to.
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody come into my off demanded to
Speaker 1: know what happened. I don't want anybody like that around
Speaker 1: my family. I don't want anybody that has any ties
Speaker 1: to anything that's in any way, shape, form, or fashion
Speaker 1: related to something like that. I want to leave that
Speaker 1: behind as much as I possibly can move on with
Speaker 1: my life and.
Speaker 2: Enjoyed my life.
Speaker 1: I've forgotten what, you know, man, this past year, I've
Speaker 1: I've forgotten what it's like to really enjoy my life
Speaker 1: and my children, you know, and my my wife, and.
Speaker 2: You know, I think I might.
Speaker 1: Be ready to go get another male dog now. I
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to bring myself to go get
Speaker 1: another dog man. My wife hasn't wanted another dog. Maybe
Speaker 1: my wife's not the best with dog. She's somewhat abrasive
Speaker 1: with her, if I'm being honest, but she you know,
Speaker 1: it tore her to pieces.
Speaker 2: When Dallas was dog man. She loved that dog, and
Speaker 2: it messed her up when I had to do what
Speaker 2: I had to do with Roscoe. But uh, I might
Speaker 2: be in a place now where where I'm where I'm
Speaker 2: cool with I want to get.
Speaker 1: A a male dog, you know, and a a probably
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I want to get a
Speaker 1: dog that looks like Dallas. I probably American bull dogs.
Speaker 1: I think I used to breed them. I've owned them
Speaker 1: for years, and uh, you know, I love them, and
Speaker 1: I've given lots of people lots of great dogs that
Speaker 1: love their kids and that, you know, I know people
Speaker 1: that deserve good animals and animals deserve good people no
Speaker 1: matter what. And I've made those connections in my life.
Speaker 1: But I don't think I could have another dog that
Speaker 1: looks like Dallas. Because I couldn't look at them every day.
Speaker 1: It would remind me too much. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to see that again. I'll never
Speaker 1: not see it, you know. For that well, I won't
Speaker 1: go the rest of my life without seeing it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see that night play in my head at times.
Speaker 1: But it's all over, man, it's all over now. Like
Speaker 1: it's not a it's not a concern anymore. It's a
Speaker 1: bad memory and that's all it is. It's a bad
Speaker 1: memory now. But uh man, I just.
Speaker 2: Thank you to all of y'all for listening to and
Speaker 2: allowing me to tell this story.
Speaker 1: Man here, you know, I've cried in front of people,
Speaker 1: in front of people like like telling this story, I've cried,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's not anybody's problem, man, that's nobody's
Speaker 1: that's nobody's.
Speaker 2: Bullcrap to deal with. That's mine. But the amount of.
Speaker 1: People who are like, hey, man, we're with you, it's
Speaker 1: all good, you know, every everything will be okay. And
Speaker 1: this is that they are awesome, absolutely freaking off and
Speaker 1: uh and VIC two, you know, first and foremost, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have the opportunity to have been have had people
Speaker 1: to be able to reach out to me and tell
Speaker 1: me it's gonna be okay if it would m But uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what's happened in my life so far.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, so far, that's there is no so far.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to that's where I am now.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm I'm happily home with my kids.
Speaker 2: You know, they're soon as I'm as soon as I'm
Speaker 2: done out here, I'm.
Speaker 1: Going in and they're gonna be in there waiting on me,
Speaker 1: covered in spaghetti sauce.
Speaker 2: My wife made spaghetti. But uh, yeah, man, this is.
Speaker 1: This is uh, this is the best I've been in
Speaker 1: a really, really, really long time.
Speaker 3: Sure, Cam, I think it's pretty safe to speak for
Speaker 3: everyone when I tell you that we're all so glad
Speaker 3: that you have your life back now. You deserve this.
Speaker 3: You've deserved this for so long. When you told me
Speaker 3: about what actually happened when you had that show down
Speaker 3: with that dog man, I was so happy for you,
Speaker 3: and still am. But having said that, I know you're
Speaker 3: under a time constraint. You're gonna be up at the
Speaker 3: crack of dawn tomorrow to head out with Allen. So
Speaker 3: you said you only had about an hour to do
Speaker 3: this show tonight. With that in mind, would you be
Speaker 3: willing to come back Monday night at nine pm Eastern
Speaker 3: for a part so I could ask you a laundry
Speaker 3: list of questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, man, anytime.
Speaker 3: Well, you know it's appreciated, it really is. And please
Speaker 3: remember when you head in the house tonight after wrapping
Speaker 3: up from this, I hope you do give your kids
Speaker 3: a big hut because you deserve it and they deserve it.
Speaker 2: I will. I'll tell them it's from vigman By, who
Speaker 2: is big. I don't worry about it, baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell them that's another story right there. It definitely is.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're sure the Monday night and nine pm
Speaker 3: Eastern time will work for you, then yeah, we'll just
Speaker 3: come back then and do a part to you to
Speaker 3: get all these questions thrown at you and we'll just
Speaker 3: take it from there.
Speaker 2: Then. I got you. Yeah, man, I'll see you all Monday.
Speaker 2: That'll be fun.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we're looking forward to it. And like
Speaker 3: I told you before, thanks again so much for coming
Speaker 3: back to updates on what's been going on.
Speaker 2: What's happened? Yeah, man, thanks for that one. It's it's like, wow, Well.
Speaker 3: You know you're welcome any way we can help. We'll
Speaker 3: definitely do that. But having said that, yeah, I'm going
Speaker 3: to let you get out of here and get inside.
Speaker 3: Thanks against so Matreier time and we'll talk to you Monday.
Speaker 2: Oh I see a man.
Speaker 3: Thanks, we'll see ya. Well, that's another one in the books,
Speaker 3: like we talked about earlier, just a moment ago. We'll
Speaker 3: be back Monday night, nine pm Eastern time for part
Speaker 3: two to ask him all these questions. I'm going to
Speaker 3: have a bunch of questions for him. If you're in
Speaker 3: a live chat and have any questions for him that
Speaker 3: you'd like for me to ask them, then please come
Speaker 3: back and I'll definitely ask those questions as well. But
Speaker 3: having said that, if you've had a Dogman encounter of
Speaker 3: your own that you need help dealing with, or maybe
Speaker 3: you just want to come on the show and share
Speaker 3: it with other listeners, if you want to report that
Speaker 3: to me, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com submit a report,
Speaker 3: and if you do that, then I'll contact you and
Speaker 3: schedule phone consultation with you and we'll take it from there.
Speaker 3: But having said that, thanks again so much for listening
Speaker 3: and have a great night.