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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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much for joining us for this special Saturday night episode

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of the show. Really appreciate you being here. If you

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listen to episodes five twenty eight and five forty two,

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you'll listen to Kim come on and talk about one

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of the most traumatic, most extreme Dogman encounters that I

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think has ever been shared on the show. Of course,

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that's the encounter where his one hundred plus pound white't

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American bulldog saved his life from a dog man that

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I believe had every intention on taking Cam's life. Well,

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his heroic American bulldog laid down his life, of course,

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to save Cam's. And after he told us about that experience,

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he had another encounter. That's why he came back for

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episode five point forty two to chronicle that.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, there have been other developments are in some ways

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fortunately I could say, there have been other developments and

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experiences that he's had that he's come back for tonight's

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show to catch you up on to bring up to

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speed without any further ado, Let's get Cam in here now, Cam,

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thanks so much for coming.

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Speaker 2: Back, Hi buddy, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks so much for being here. I really appreciate it,

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and of course thanks for talking about something that obviously

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isn't very easy to talk about at all. Do I

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appreciate you coming back to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, it's it's a it's just not a problem.

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It's not a problem to talk about anymore. You know,

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it's I mean, it's never it's dark times, you know,

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but it's it is.

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Speaker 2: What it is now. You know, it's a that's that's

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not a problem at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they had to be very dark times and understandably so, Kim.

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For the listeners who missed episodes five twenty eight and

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five forty two, please tell them about yourself.

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Speaker 2: Oh my my name is Cam. I'm from Mississippi. Ah.

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Speaker 1: I'm a father dog lover. I love the Hunt and

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fifth Uh. I have a small number of good friends

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and I do that with and that's that's really all

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that I do outside of you know, it's being home

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all my homebody. Outside of those things. I guess the.

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Speaker 2: First time he had Vic and I ever talked or

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did this show.

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Speaker 1: I gave the story of how me and my buddy

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Tyler went out to in the Kyoti population in my

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grandparents place where there have been some weird goings on.

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There's there's in the neighbors houses across the street. And uh,

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I lost my dog that night.

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Speaker 2: Uh you know it was.

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Speaker 1: We we had a dog man run up on us,

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you know, which is not something that anybody, any normal

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person is ever expecting to, you know, to encounter that

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doesn't happen to people. Plus you're me, I guess, but man,

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we shot at this thing, and I guess it took

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it upon itself to I say, I guess I know what.

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I know very well. I took it upon itself to

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to get back at us and to you know, to

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cause harm to us. And we have a running with

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this thing on my grandparents' place and we think we've

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run it off tower and I both shoot it.

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Speaker 2: We gather ourselves and my dog and we make it

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almost back to my truck.

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Speaker 1: And uh, this thing blindsides us from out of the

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out of the tree line behind this old chicken coop

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that my grandpa has moved all the chickens out of

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and uh knocked me out. Man knocked me out in

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the process of trying to get it all of us.

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Tyler was well awaken. He said that it was on me. Man,

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he couldn't have stopped it. He couldn't he couldn't have

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got to a gun. There was nothing he could have done. Man,

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if it wasn't for Dallas, I'd be I'd be dead.

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have killed me had he not been there. And then

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you know, I made this foolish, rational on the spot

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decision too.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I decided to do.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a gun and knocked my gun out

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of my hand, and I was still half days from

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being knocked out and had a hold of my dog,

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so I charged him. Man, I wouldn't have been able, really,

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I wouldn't have been able to do any thing, but

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at the time it didn't really matter. And uh, Tyler,

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at some point I found my gun, fired a couple

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of rounds into this thing, and it runs, it's gone,

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ran away, left my dog laying there dead, and uh,

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a you know, I'd never heard dog man before.

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Speaker 2: It was. This was a werewolf.

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Speaker 1: It was out of a movie, you know, and uh

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I had to tell my grandparents about it, and uh

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it broken my arm. I broke my own hand, and

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uh Tyler stopped me from from getting my gun once.

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talked sensing to me because I was gonna go off

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in the woods looking for it with a pistol, you know,

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like that would have been a good idea. And uh man,

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it was a long time before I saw that thing again.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was. It was shy of a year, for sure, but.

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Speaker 1: Uh man, and the next time I saw it completely alone,

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I was up in a deer stand. I decided to

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go and spread corn and move my deer stand. I

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brought my daughters out there, not you know, out into

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the woods, but to my grandfather's house. You know, I

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follow him through the house. I walked him in my

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grandfather's aware, so his head's on a swivel. Everybody's you know,

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being as safe as we can be. I mean, my

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kids can't just not see my grandparents, and I decided

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to go spread corn. And you know, you just got

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to act like things a normal. You can't let something

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control your life. So I went to spread my corn

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and move my deer stand and this thing comes through

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the thicket on the property line the back of our place.

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deer stand with a pistol. You know, I wasn't hunting,

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and uh, man, it sees me. It gets after this deer,

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this dough in front of me and looked like something

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was wrong with him and he couldn't catch her because

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she dipped, she pump faked him.

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Speaker 2: She was gone. And then he sees me the wind

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changed direction at some point.

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Speaker 1: And by the time that I excuse me, by the

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time that I realized that had changed, it was coming

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from behind me and he was dead in front of me.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he would have found me or

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not had that not happened, but he didn't. He didn't,

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and uh, he started towards me. Man, he showed me

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those teeth and he started towards me, and I popped

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a couple of chops off.

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Speaker 2: At him and I hit it I might have hit

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him twice. I shot sat.

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Speaker 1: Five five, I don't know, five to maybe eight rounds

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Speaker 2: I feel like I hit him twice.

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Speaker 1: He reached over with the hand grabbed himself and he

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looks at me and and you know, and in the

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in my my my first bit with Vic where I

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told him my story initially, uh man, the night this

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think killed my dog, there was some kind of like

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a I mean, I'm gonna call it telepathy, dude, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what else to call it. But it was.

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Speaker 1: Before I decided to run, you know, and try to

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Speaker 2: I was gonna run and try to act.

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Speaker 1: Later get my dog out of his hands or whatever

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whatever was going through my mind.

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Speaker 2: It was like I didn't hear a voice.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like the voice in the back of your

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head that you you know, like your own thoughts or anything.

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like a challenge, come here, boy, come on boy, come here,

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like to me, like it was telling me, come on,

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come here, you know, like and uh this the you know,

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looking down at him from up in that stand, you know,

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I had slight sense of security because I'm so high

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in the air and I and I had to jump

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on him. I saw him first, and I had my

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gun out already. But you know, there was that same

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once I had popped him, once I had put to

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in him, there was that same whatever form of communicator,

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whatever you wanna call it, I wanna call it to

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let me because that's that that sounds crazy. But this,

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you know, I guess this, the story that I'm telling

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y'all sounds crazy, any of this stuff, so it is

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what it is.

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Speaker 2: But he told me I'll get.

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Speaker 1: You like like like like you meant it like somehow

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someday soon I'm gonna get you. And there was no

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doubt that that was what he meant for me, to

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meant to portray to me, to get me to understand.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I that was uh.

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Speaker 1: And he when he turned and he ran to the trees,

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you know, I thought he was gonna try to flank

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me again like he did the first time that night

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when me and Tyler had to run in with him,

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but he was gone. I didn't see him again after that.

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and after that I didn't see him at my place.

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But man, he killed both of my grandfathers, both of

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his dogs killed, killed Jack and Ruby and left and

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laying in the backyard. And uh, man, he destroyed. They

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had this old rundown, dilapidated barn that was you know,

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heyday when I was a young kid. But he had

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it set up with some you know, some chicken wire

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and they had moved all the chickens into this thing.

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Well all they had left, and man, this thing killed

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every one of my grandmother's chickens. Man destroyed the barn,

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ran through the wall of the barn and tore all

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the chicken wire down. I mean probably in one go,

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probably caught the wire and pulled it all down at

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one time. And uh it was frough. I mean it

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was just rough, dude, It was absolutely rough. But this

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one day, I'm pulling onto the road that I live on.

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I live off of one county road onto another one

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once you turn off the highway.

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Speaker 2: Story of living in Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: But we, uh, we hadn't seen hide nor hair of

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that thing over here where I live on the hill.

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Speaker 2: Man. But when I pulled onto onto my road one day, man,

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Speaker 1: Because you can see there's a there's a cleared lot

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to my if you're looking from the road, it's.

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Speaker 2: To my left.

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Speaker 1: And uh you know, there's nobody nobody's built thything there. It's

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just been cut. It cook cut and you.

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Speaker 2: Can see right through it up to the top of

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Speaker 1: Man, that that big dark son of a gun was

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sitting on the top of the hill. At the back

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of my eight acres, there's a big tree line that's

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like perfect for the property line. If I haven't looked

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at my map for for my property in years, so

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but I'm pretty sure that tree line is the exact

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exact property line. And he was standing there like he

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like he knew he was on my place, standing there

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like you know.

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Speaker 2: And uh man.

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Speaker 1: From then on, so long story short, man, I ended

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up having to take my wife and my daughter's to

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stay with my my pop, who's who's my All this

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stuff initially happened on my father's father's place, on my

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my dad's side of the family. But I ended up

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sending my wife and my kids to my to my

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mom's dad up around you know, up in Tennessee. And

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uh man, that was rough as me and my wife,

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by myself, and uh, I hear something crazy going down

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I look out the window the laundry room. It has

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the door that goes to the backyard, and I look

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out the window. Man, this thing is is I mean,

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my backyard isn't that wide. I mean it's between forty

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and fifty feet to the edge of where I sought

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it out to. Man, this thing is over there, and

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it is destroying my youngest little girls, just like a

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little purple, pink and white snap together playhouse that it's

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got like a little decorative windows on the outside. Tore

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it to a bazillion basis, man, just destroying it, just

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I guess, just to scare me or send a message

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or some something.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I ran back through the house. I grabbed my gun

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and it loaded with buckshot. I keep you know, I

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keep it loaded with bucksh out on the wall and

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case you know, had nothing to do with him.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's for a person, really, man.

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Speaker 1: I kicked the back door open and I fired a

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couple of shots at him, and he struck out, and

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he ran.

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Speaker 2: Directly down the hill, straight through my neighbor's yard.

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Speaker 1: And man, I felt a certain type of way about that,

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because I know that's what I needed to do. I mean,

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if he wasn't fixing it, you know, I think I

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think you should learn by now that it was not

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just not gonna be tax free when it comes to

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me or to my family or you know, my dog

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or anything like that. But he was out there just

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just having a hey day, destroying stuff in my backyard.

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And but when he ran down there, man, my my neighbor.

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His name is one I've gotten. I've gotten tight a

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crap with him. But he's got kids too, man, they're

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older than mine. And uh, but he's married, he's got

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a wife, he's got kids. And I felt a certain

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type of way about having sent that thing down through

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his yard. You know, what if they were outside, you

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know what I mean, what if they were outside and

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they didn't know what was going on up here or something?

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You know, that was really anyway, I decided that I

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was going to have to go down there and say something.

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I didn't know how it was going to go, because

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it's you know, it's not every day or at all

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that you have to tell your neighbor or anybody else, like, hey, man,

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look the there's uh what you would probably look at

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and think of as a werewolf out here.

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Speaker 2: It's not safe. So I go down there and knock

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on the door, and his wife answers the door, and

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she sway.

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Speaker 1: She does to speak of lick, speak of licky English,

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and I said, you know one here she goes and

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gets one. I say, man, look, I need to explain

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something to you, and uh, you know, sitting easy. And

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I tell him what's going on, and uh, his eyes

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got big like it, I mean, it was it's kind

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of chilling, you know.

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Speaker 2: It was like.

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Speaker 1: I didn't expect him to believe me, and not only

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did he seem like he believed me, it frightened him. Well,

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he turns to his wife and he's talking to her,

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and I hear him say, what one is from Guatemala.

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One one moved up here, moved his family up here.

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He started this great, big construction company. He's a mad science,

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he said, builds all kinds of crazy stuff on his property.

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Speaker 2: And he's, uh, he's done really well for himself.

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Speaker 1: Man, but it's, you know, it's it's it's hard to

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understand when he speaks Spanish because I'm not fluent in it,

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but I did hear as he's talking to her, he said,

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hombre lobo or however, you know, I don't have the accent,

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but and I know that that means something like wear wool,

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or maybe it means dark. I don't know, but I've

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seen it. I've seen that caption on a picture before

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I know what it is. And her eyes get big.

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And it turns out that she saw this thing that

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night when I when I just just as I was,

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just as I was feeling bad for she saw it

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that night when it came through it. I guess she

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was on the back porch or so, but she saw

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it and she was aware of it. So not very

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long after that, Wan sent his wife and his kids off,

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and man, me and Juan got tight, We got really tight.

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Speaker 2: Man. We went to war with that.

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Speaker 1: Thing up here on this hill, and it was I mean,

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it was the same, just the same song and dance

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all over again, just not every night, not every man.

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We we'd go to three days with no sign of

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this thing. So times, you know, and uh, this was, Man,

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this was sometime I guess around I had I had

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spoken to Vic about that second encounter, and this was

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not very long at all.

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Speaker 2: I want to say this.

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Speaker 1: I want to say all this started at my place

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within a week of me talking to Vic. And I

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can't remember exactly what day that was, but I could

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look and find it anyway. So yeah, man, I mean

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there were just there were nights from me and one

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and like I said, what some nights we'd be down

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at his place. Some nights he'd come up here, and

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we'd always take dogs because I still I still have

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three of my dogs, you know, I still have I

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still have Dallas' girlfriend, his daughter, and this female pity

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that I rescued years ago. And I used to leave

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my dogs. You know, I can't lose no more. And

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uh man, we would stay up all night drinking whiskey,

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just you know, sometimes back to back in the living

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room and if not, man, we didn't never get very

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far from each other to where when you know, if

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anything crazy were to happen, which it did, and on

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several occasions then it was, like I said, it was the

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same thing, but every time he thing never really changed up.

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His tactics, except one night he slammed into the side

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of One's house scared the living crap out of us.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was I thought the house was gonna

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come down, man, And.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if a tree had fallen, because that

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was the first thing that I was the first sign

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that night, and it was boom here I am, you know,

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But uh, Man, me and Wan spent a whole whole

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lot of nights, you know, Liquid couraged out, just just

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waiting to either be killed by this thing or you know,

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to run it off.

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Speaker 2: And we ran him off several times. Man. There was

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one night we were down at One's.

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Speaker 1: House and I mean it was just like when I

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shot at him up here at my place for the

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first time. Man, we kicked open that back door, hopped

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out on the back porch and started sending slugs into

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the dark. Man, I was, you know, there wasn't very

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much of a chance there was a person outside messing

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with us. But had there been somebody on the property

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that night, they'd got shot. I mean it was, man,

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it was rough up here on this hill for a

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long time. Brother, it was bad, and uh, you know,

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and and you know, maintaining a sense of normal during that,

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Like we still had to go to work.

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Speaker 2: Wal runs a company. He's got guys. You know.

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Speaker 1: He would stay home some days and let my dogs

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stay over at his house. And you know, I can't think, dude, nothing,

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But I mean I had to go to work, you know,

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I had. I had to get up in the mornings,

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and sometimes I wouldn't go to sleep. I'd just be

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up drunk shooting all night and go to work, you know.

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And uh, you know, I worked with Tyler and he's

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he's kind of pushed me out when it or you know,

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he had kind of pushed me out when it came

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to this thing. You know, it was Tyler's got his

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own life, his own kids. You know, he's married, and

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I can't ask him to risk his life to help me.

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You know, he's already done it. So uh, you know,

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it was just me, man, But my my buddy Allen

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was somebody you know, got a good friend named Alan.

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Speaker 2: Who is a medic, medic in the army. Bad, bad dude. Man.

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Speaker 1: He's really really soft spoken, you know, good person, but

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he's he's hard as a coffin nail.

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Speaker 2: He's uh, brutally honest.

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Speaker 1: He says it nicely, but he says it to the point,

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you know, we're we're we're friends for a reason. He's

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he's the type of person who can handle being friends

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with somebody like me who doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Really you're coat too much, but uh, you know this.

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I went to him and, uh, my wife was the phone.

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Speaker 1: Had told me that, you know, baby, you can't spend

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every second of your day waiting on this thing, because

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you're at work, you're thinking about it, you're home, you're

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dealing with it, and it's you know, we miss you,

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we love you, and we're sorry that it's like this.

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And she recommended that I that I go see Alan

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and do something. So I go to Allen's house and uh,

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we made plans to go hunting.

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Speaker 2: At first, he asked me.

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Speaker 1: You know, I explained to him exactly what's going on,

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and it seemed kind of bewildered, but he man, he

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asked me, like, what what can I do to help?

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And you know, it's not easy to explain to somebody.

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This isn't a situation where you can just come in

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and help and then leave scott free. You can end

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up marked, you know, like this is I was clearly marked,

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and I really feel like I know why now, I'll

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get into it later, but I was clearly marked and

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I was sure shit, I mean, sure's crap.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, excuse me.

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Speaker 1: Didn't want anybody that I know being in that position,

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especially on my account, because I had already brought this

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thing into Wann's world. Man, and he you know, he

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didn't even do anything. He had no it was none

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of his business. And the dude has never had a

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bad dealing towards me because of it. Anyway, Yeah, man,

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Alan and I make plans to go to go duck

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hunting here in Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: Uh what you call it?

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Speaker 1: Uh, duck season closed after it opens for a weekend,

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like initially, it closes down for a week and it

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opens up again.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a second opening day.

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Speaker 1: You know, most people get their jitters out on the

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first one, so you don't have to contend with or

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you know, normally you don't have to contend with as

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many people to get a hunting spot. And uh, I

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know a great place, man, a great place.

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Speaker 2: It's uh, I'm not gonna say where it is, but

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it's a good fought it's beautiful, good fish in there.

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Speaker 1: There's good hunting there. It's you know, good for that

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me and now I make these plans. I was like, look, dude,

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I don't need your help. I just I need your help,

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but I just need to I need something else other

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than this all the time.

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Speaker 2: And uh, it's like, may, let's go. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: And I think what I said, Tom, don't judge me

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because it was a joke. I was like, man, let's

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go kill some innocent little ducks, you know. And uh, al,

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you know, Allan's a he's a born bread hunter man was.

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Speaker 2: He was all for it.

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Speaker 1: So we, uh, we go out to this place both

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the foe and pack everything in and uh, we're four

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miles from the truck, like right at four miles four

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point one something like that from the truck at the

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road long haul in and uh, this place, man, there's

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lots of natural stuff.

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Speaker 2: Like it's really thick.

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Speaker 1: It's really really thick, like they're all the fold was

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really there are places you can see you don't need

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a blind to sit in or anything.

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Speaker 2: But then somebody had built this beautiful blind. It was made.

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I mean it looked like it looked like a bush.

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Speaker 1: If I had to show them my headlights on it

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from the four, I wouldn't have seen it. I'd have

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passed by in it thinking it was a great, big

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old tree that had a bush growing on it or something,

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which is exactly what you want.

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Speaker 2: But then this thing had a place to pull before into.

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Speaker 1: It had a dog door, like not a flat dog door,

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but like a spot where your dog go out and

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get your dugs and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful. It's big enough for like four or five people.

473
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Speaker 1: So you know, I'll see that, and we were, and

474
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,640
you know, not to be jerks because somebody else built that,

475
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,759
and if they showed up out there wanting to hunt it,

476
00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:46,640
it's just too bad because it's on public land. It's

477
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,319
not like you bought the material. So we had found

478
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:55,400
our spot. Well, yeah, it's probably be tween four and

479
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,839
four thirty for sure, close to four thirty. We made

480
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,759
it there. We throw decoys out and we get set

481
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,960
up in the blind, just you know, goofing. You know

482
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,480
that me and aln't been friends for a long time,

483
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,559
years and years and years. That's that's one of those

484
00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:11,359
one of those friendship. Man, that's only that's the only

485
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,960
friend I got calls me every day. I talk now

486
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:15,839
and every day man and he used to butt me

487
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:16,920
two extra times a day.

488
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,279
Speaker 2: I mean I thought him every day.

489
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:21,039
Speaker 1: And uh and if I don't, he calls me the

490
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:22,319
next day like, hey man, I don't know.

491
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: I don't know why didn't holler at you. You know,

492
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:24,920
he's just a good friend.

493
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: And uh, we're sitting there just shooting it and uh,

494
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,119
we see headlights coming. I was thinking, like, man, this

495
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,160
dude's come out here and tell us this his blind.

496
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,720
He want skin anyway, headlight's getting close. We all of

497
00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:41,920
a sudden, something runs in the blind, scarce the living

498
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:45,240
crap out of me. It was a dog, black lab

499
00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:47,960
where it was dude's dog that was on the four wheeler. Well,

500
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,319
I ain't a liad, Like I had my gun. I

501
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,160
didn't point the gun dog gun and even loaded at

502
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,039
that point because I wasn't shooting like yet, but I

503
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,559
kind of had it up like in case I needed

504
00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:57,200
to bop him with the with the butt of the

505
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,920
shotgun or whatever. And he sat down and wagged his ta.

506
00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:01,440
I was, oh, I mean your friend, hey buddy, I

507
00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:04,200
start petting him. I was looking for a tag. Was Well,

508
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,839
the dude on the foo wheeler pulls up and he

509
00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:08,680
said and he stopped me say, I seeing it.

510
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:10,599
Speaker 2: Is there a dog in there with y'all? Yeah, he's

511
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,279
right here, is yours? They said. We introduced himself. His

512
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:13,880
name was Blair.

513
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,279
Speaker 1: This dog's name stars big old, big old, old, square

514
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:20,839
headed black lad, big big head, no thoughts, just my

515
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,559
type of dog. He explained us that he did build

516
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:27,680
that blind and he was nice about it wasn't anything

517
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:28,039
like that.

518
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,519
Speaker 2: Uh. And we offered for him to sit with us.

519
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: It was him and a couple people, but we offered

520
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,839
him sit with us, and he said no, and uh,

521
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,799
he said politely no. He said, look, I'm just gonna

522
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:38,599
ain't gonna, I ain't gonapete on y'all hunt me. I

523
00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:41,039
already hear you set decoys out all this stuff. And

524
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:42,720
we were kind of hoping he'd say yes, and maybe

525
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,160
his dog could go get our ducks for us and

526
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,359
we wouldn't have to walk because the.

527
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: MUD's deep out there. They said. The water's not terribly deep,

528
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,680
you can wade through it, but the mud is hillacious,

529
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,880
absolutely hilarious. But uh, he.

530
00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: Said, now I'm gonna go about one hundred and fift

531
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,279
yards up here to this big thick Uh, I'm not

532
00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:00,519
sure it's not cuds. It looks like dead could too,

533
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,279
but it's it's on this this tree, this tree truck

534
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,279
that was topped or whatever.

535
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:06,079
Speaker 2: It's perfect for a person and a black dog to

536
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:06,680
sit up against.

537
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,319
Speaker 1: And uh and he's like, man, I'll uh I holler

538
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:12,079
at y'all later on.

539
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,799
Speaker 2: You know, I see what you're doing around shooting lights?

540
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,519
All right, hello, excuse me.

541
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,039
Speaker 1: We uh we head back and buying for a little bit.

542
00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:25,839
And eventually I was like, man, I gotta I gotta

543
00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:30,640
be all right. So he goes, he goes, He walks

544
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,400
off in the woods and he does his business. And uh,

545
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,240
when I was sitting there, you know, wait none to

546
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:39,559
come back. And uh, man, I hear him and he

547
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:41,119
was talking and I thought he was talking to me,

548
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:47,400
but he says, hey, hey, hi, and I stood up because.

549
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: I thought he was hollering me. I started to hit

550
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,279
out there. I hear him say, hey bear, hey, hey bear. Hey.

551
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:53,799
Alan goes.

552
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:58,519
Speaker 1: Alan feels a grizzly tag every whenever. It is every

553
00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:02,039
year he's got some buddy in uh in Wyoming where

554
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:03,759
he goes and fills the grizzly tag.

555
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,279
Speaker 2: I believe it is why it might be Montana.

556
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: Actually I might be wrong about that, but uh, he

557
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:09,119
feels the grizzly tag every like he's got a bear

558
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,000
skin rug in his house.

559
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, and uh, he was hollering, hey bear, Hey,

560
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:15,960
hey bear.

561
00:27:16,599 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I ain't never seen a bear, and I

562
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,079
mean other than at the zoo in real life. But

563
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,960
I know that that's what when you're in bear country,

564
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,599
you're supposed to let bears know that you're around because

565
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:24,640
norm way they'll get away from you.

566
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,279
Speaker 2: But man, we there.

567
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: We have black bears around here, like they're they're not

568
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,440
around here close around here, like they are tagged black

569
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,119
bears in the state, and there's probably more than the

570
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,400
ones that are tagged. But dude, I've never seen one.

571
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,519
I don't know anybody who's ever seen one. So him

572
00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:43,000
hollering hey bear really freaked me out. And I should

573
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,279
have known right then what was going down. I should

574
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:46,640
have I should have picked up on that and that

575
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,759
it was going down, but I didn't. So I walk

576
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,799
out and man, he's and I'm out of the blind

577
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:52,200
at this point, I'm headed towards him.

578
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: Well I see him. Come.

579
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: You know, my eyes still kind of adjusting to the

580
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:58,319
light because it's not completely light yet and he's coming

581
00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:00,000
towards me. And he's coming to you know, he's where

582
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,640
duck hunting waiters with those big sixteen or eighteen hundred

583
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,079
grain pensilated boots or whatever, you can't move very fast.

584
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,079
Alan's high stepping. He is moving towards me, and man,

585
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,680
I see it behind him. I see it coming behind him.

586
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:17,000
It wasn't moving fast at first, it was following him.

587
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: Man.

588
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: I turned around and I, you know, I didn't think

589
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,000
about it like this at the time, but I left Alan.

590
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,720
I left him. I didn't mean to. It wasn't like

591
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:28,160
I was abandon you know. I had to get to

592
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,720
my gun. That was the first thing I had was

593
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:32,319
get to the gun. And man in my gun, I

594
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:37,640
have a oh god, a I think I shoot my

595
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,880
duck rounds out of a modified choke. Well, I keep

596
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,079
slugs in my pocket, like two or three of them

597
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:45,920
always at all time. You run into a hog, you know,

598
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:48,960
you're season duck season overlap. You may mess around and

599
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,680
see a big old buck and be wanting to shoot him.

600
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:53,440
It's really dangerous to shoot those out of it. Don't

601
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,880
anybody take that as a suggestion, because it's not. You're

602
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,079
not supposed to shoot slugs out of any choke that

603
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,440
you shoot duck rounds at or you know, loads or

604
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,920
anything like that out of them. I mean, you can

605
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,720
literally mushroom the end of your gun like then your bear.

606
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,119
You can blow it off. You can kill yourself. But

607
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,839
in the moment, you know, hunter safety didn't really come through.

608
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: Strong to me. So, man, I run through the hole

609
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,279
in the blind. I grabbed my gun and I jumped

610
00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:19,200
over the front of the blind.

611
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,319
Speaker 1: It's almost too tall for you to sit down and hunt,

612
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:24,160
but I jump over and I fall in the water.

613
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,119
Speaker 2: Dude, it was cold. It was super cold, like ice

614
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,680
in the water. Cold. And I fall in the water.

615
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,119
My waiters are like half full of water. My gun

616
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:33,799
fell in the water.

617
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: I never dropped it, but it went under and uh

618
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:38,440
Alan got to jump on me.

619
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: It was ahead of me. So man, I'm i'm I'm

620
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:44,000
moving and I get I get out. You know this

621
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:44,720
is I.

622
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: Can't say how far across it is. It's a I

623
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,440
don't know at that point we were at it was.

624
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:54,599
Speaker 2: I don't know.

625
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: I'll be out there tomorrow. As a matter of fact,

626
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,599
I'll be out there tomorrow. I'll look at it. I

627
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,039
won't be at that part, but I'll be at a

628
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:04,160
different part of it. But uh, anyway, I make it,

629
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:05,799
you know, good ways out into this water.

630
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:07,799
Speaker 2: And I turn around and this thing is there staring

631
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,319
at me, staring at me.

632
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not the type to run away, but there

633
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:17,960
was really right there in that moment, I was holding

634
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,359
my gun. Now that I'm thinking about, I didn't say this.

635
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,880
I didn't say it like this to be gifts, but

636
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,319
I was holding my gun. I could have stopped and

637
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:26,640
shuck the shell right there and maybe taking a shot,

638
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,000
but I didn't. It didn't even occur to me to

639
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:31,519
that is when I turn and I look at it, man,

640
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:36,160
I start it's like a weird I started to feel

641
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:42,480
funny and uh, really hard to expend it. Like I

642
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:46,160
was like, I was, uh, what's what's the word? You know,

643
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,799
like when you were in class as a kid and

644
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:51,480
you start to not daydreaming, I guess, But it's.

645
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,119
Speaker 2: Like I was in a daze. That's that's that's the

646
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:54,880
best way to say. It's like it's like I fell

647
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,079
into a daze somehow.

648
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: Allen hollers at me and he grabs me and we

649
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,160
make the bank on the other side, and I could

650
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,759
hear it behind me at that point, it was in

651
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,720
the water, it was coming towards us. And uh, I mean,

652
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:10,920
I remember I reached for a slug at that point,

653
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,240
I reached for a slug somewhere going up the bank,

654
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,799
I reached for a slug. But I absolutely one do

655
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,839
not remember loading that slug in my gun.

656
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,039
Speaker 2: If if I.

657
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: Said, but don't remember, like I I know I did now,

658
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:29,559
but I still don't feel like I stuck that slug

659
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:29,920
in my gun.

660
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,039
Speaker 2: So I don't know how that happened.

661
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: But uh, man, I hit the bank and I turned

662
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,599
towards this thing and we are standing, you know, standing

663
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,799
just to tell you how big the size, because I've

664
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:44,279
you know, I've.

665
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:44,759
Speaker 2: Seen him twice.

666
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:46,599
Speaker 1: I've stood in front of him on the ground once,

667
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,880
and you know, I was way above him the second

668
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,960
time we ever saw each other. But man, I was standing,

669
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,799
I was probably two feet out of that water. And

670
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:57,160
he's he was big, like he's really that thing has

671
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,799
to weigh six hundred and fifty pounds, six hundred six

672
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,480
between six and seven hundred pounds monster huge man. And

673
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,480
to stand that hub out of the water and still

674
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,599
be almost level with this thing, because man, he was

675
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:13,720
weighed out in the mud, I'm like two hundred plus,

676
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:17,960
you know, lower mid two hundreds, and it was really

677
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,640
and I also had a bunch of whie. I probably

678
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,759
had twenty five pounds of water in my waiters as well,

679
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,519
so that didn't help. But it was really difficult for

680
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:26,599
me to weigh through that because of the mud man.

681
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,599
That thing is so big. He was bogged like he was.

682
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:32,079
That's the only reason things worked out the way they did.

683
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:32,519
Speaker 2: That's it.

684
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:35,079
Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind at all. That's the

685
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:43,720
only thing that helped us. But man, I raised my

686
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,480
gun and again at this time, I'm not aware that

687
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:54,119
I didn't put the slug in, but it's I'm still

688
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,240
not sure at what point or how that happened. Like

689
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,920
I'm not completely.

690
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,599
Speaker 2: Lost, but.

691
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:03,799
Speaker 1: I raised my gun. Man go to raise my gun,

692
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,400
and I start to feel It's hard to explain.

693
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,079
Speaker 2: It was like a.

694
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: Like a really bad muscle cramp, really bad muscle cramp,

695
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,480
but with heat, like with a burning paining.

696
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: Like like a like a like you got stuck with

697
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:22,559
a hot cattle prod or something.

698
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: And man, they were they were like it was I

699
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,799
had a couple of on my abdomen one was in

700
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,599
my left arm and all that stuff, and it was

701
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,119
really it was weird. And now now I'm very, very

702
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:41,880
aware this thing has absolutely, somehow the ability to portray

703
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,559
its own or not portrayed, to to project its own

704
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:50,880
feelings physical and emotional on people.

705
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: That's what happened to me the first night.

706
00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: When he when he when he when he when that

707
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,160
that beckoning, that challenge that come here, come here boy.

708
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:02,960
And then and then when he was letting me know

709
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:05,640
that the day when I was up in my standing

710
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,799
and we ran into each other, he was letting me know,

711
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:10,920
I'll get you. I will get you somehow, I will

712
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,360
get you. It was there was communication there, but it

713
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,199
was still at that point it was still foggy that

714
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,239
I didn't realize that that's what that was, and absolutely

715
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:24,039
no idea what that was. So it's it's, you know,

716
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,719
it's really weird. At this point, it was like, not

717
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,159
gonna say it. It's like, I totally think that anyway.

718
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:35,519
It was strange. It's really really strange, man, and kind

719
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:39,159
of kind of scary in a way, you know. And uh,

720
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,719
I'm not the one to be afraid, and it's not

721
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,320
fun to admit that I was afraid, but it was.

722
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,159
It was frightening, man, it really was. Well, then it

723
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,880
gets really weird and I start hearing this thing telling.

724
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:53,199
Speaker 2: Me shoot, shoe shue, damn shoot.

725
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: And I realized about just as past as I realized

726
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,599
that I was still stuck in the days, that it's

727
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:02,679
Alan streaming at me. Allan's standing right beside me, right Besides,

728
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:04,920
it's a it's a miracle that he did not snatch

729
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,880
the gun from me and shoot by himself. Alan is

730
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,519
screaming to me, cam shoot. Can't other words in there

731
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:15,679
that I'm not going to use. But man, I look

732
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,000
at this, and you know, Alan's got my attention. I'm, I'm, I'm,

733
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,679
I've got my focus back. And I guess I guess

734
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,239
him being there being so loud was enough to snap me.

735
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,639
I want to say I was under his control almost

736
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:32,320
because I raised my gun with the intention to shoot

737
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,119
and I did not shoot, And it wasn't because I

738
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:36,840
chose not to shoot. So I want to say it

739
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,760
had some kind of a hold on me. But man,

740
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,800
Alan snapped me out of it. And and I guess,

741
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,880
I guess now it realized that because men it roared

742
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,840
at me, and I know, I said it. I know,

743
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,719
I've I've said it before. I've said it more than once.

744
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,320
You don't know what loud is.

745
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,159
Speaker 2: You do not know what loud. I don't, dude.

746
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:58,119
Speaker 1: I used to go to the Pyramid in Memphis when

747
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:01,239
I was really little and watching mark their trucks inside

748
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:06,760
that was that was like crazy loud. There's nothing, there's

749
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,880
absolutely nothing like. It's so loud. It disrupts you. It

750
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,199
can disrupt your breathing like it's it's it's the equipment.

751
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,280
If you ever sat in a car they had like

752
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,719
a massive stereo system in it with a lot of

753
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,559
bass and stuff like that. It can disrupt your your

754
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,559
heart rate and your breathing like it really, it really has.

755
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: That effect on you. And there was nothing between me

756
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,159
and him.

757
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: It was full blast, and man, I put the bead

758
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,159
between his eyes and pulled the trigger and either he

759
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,960
moved or or I moved a little bit. And I

760
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,760
didn't shoot him in the head. I shot him right

761
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,000
through the eye right and eyeball right in the left eye.

762
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: Man.

763
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:50,599
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I told Ben, I'm gonna say

764
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,159
this just like I said yesterday because because I don't

765
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:56,079
this is not easy to talk about. But I don't

766
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:58,280
want to sound like I feel bad, because I definitely

767
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,920
do not. I do not and any way, shape form

768
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,079
or fashion, have regret for doing what I did at all.

769
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: But I had to.

770
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,519
Speaker 1: I had to put a dog down a few years ago,

771
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:23,400
and and I had to do it myself. My dog attacked.

772
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:25,920
His name was Roscoe. I had him before I had Dallas.

773
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,159
And he's the reason why Dallas was so special when

774
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:32,440
I found him. Because I was at work one day

775
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,599
and my wife called me screaming and crying, Sam Roscoe

776
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:38,760
had attacked her. Man, Roscoe slept with my children. He

777
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,159
loved my kids. Man, those were his babies. You couldn't

778
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:44,039
make you couldn't touch my kids around him. Man, he

779
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:44,840
wasn't playing with you.

780
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:46,639
Speaker 2: I mean he was.

781
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,079
Speaker 1: He was him and Dallas were I mean, and physically,

782
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:52,519
if y'all have seen that picture of Dallas, you've seen Roscoe,

783
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:54,480
you've seen him.

784
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: You know exactly what minus minus twenty five pounds or

785
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,760
so Dallas. Dallas had size on him.

786
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:01,519
Speaker 1: But if you've seen a picture of him, if you

787
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:04,760
saw that the good one that Vic posted, it made

788
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,960
me cry like a you know kid. And you've seen Russ,

789
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,760
you know what he looks like. But man, I tried

790
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,679
to find somebody to take him. I tried everything I

791
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:18,000
could do. I called the shelter and they told me

792
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:19,559
they were going to put him on the bite list.

793
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:21,920
They had to say that he was aggressive because they

794
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,559
couldn't sell him to somebody who might have small children

795
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:26,960
who could be at risk, or a single woman who

796
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,400
make you know, And they told me straight up, they said,

797
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:32,559
they said that lots of times those dogs don't make

798
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:35,320
it because they have to be very strenuous with the

799
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,079
process of screening who they go to, because they can

800
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:38,719
end up his fighting dogs, or they can end up

801
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,960
in the wrong hands, or they can this, that and

802
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,960
the other. So I had a choice that I could

803
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,159
take him and drop him off and have him, you know,

804
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,719
just take him, drop him off and leave him there

805
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,519
and have him wondering where I was and why I'd

806
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:54,239
left him.

807
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,119
Speaker 2: Until they killed him, you know.

808
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,199
Speaker 1: But uh so I took him one day out to

809
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,800
my I took him to my grandpa's house up to

810
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,840
my deer stand, and we stopped and got a cheeseburger

811
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:18,639
on the way out there, and uh we our burgers,

812
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:20,719
and he played in the water in the pond for

813
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,519
a minute, and I did what I had to do, man.

814
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:33,199
Speaker 2: And uh, you know it was like when I found out.

815
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,440
I mean it was it was completely about chance. You know.

816
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: It's completely and totally the most random experience that that

817
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:40,719
I've ever had.

818
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:45,679
Speaker 2: H And uh, it was like I was supposed to

819
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,920
find him, man. You know he did.

820
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: He did everything that Roscoe did minus attacking my wife.

821
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:56,280
You know, he loved my kids and and he saved

822
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,320
my life. You know, when you when you have to

823
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,880
do something like that. I don't know if y'all seen

824
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,480
Old Yeller, but that's not how it goes when you

825
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:03,800
have to.

826
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: Put your dog down. It's not that easy. But it's

827
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:10,320
not an image. It's not an image that you get

828
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,800
out of your head. You know, he can put that

829
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:18,960
out your lack of just some win. But you know,

830
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:19,880
I shot that thing.

831
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: Man. It was like watching me, like watching myself shoot

832
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,599
my damn dog. You know, he needed to die. He

833
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:27,079
deserves to die like that.

834
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: Those things have no place existing among among humans on

835
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,159
this planet, where there are women, children and things, people

836
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:37,639
that can't help themselves, just that there's no place for

837
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:38,559
monsters like that.

838
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:40,679
Speaker 2: I don't feel bad at all about what I did.

839
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:43,639
But man, I felt terrible after doing it.

840
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: You know, it was just it was man I put

841
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:48,599
I put that round through his eye and he, you know,

842
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,760
he grabbed his face. He caught his face all the pieces.

843
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,199
I guess he thought he could pull it out something

844
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:02,880
or another. But uh, after after just a few stagings, man,

845
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,199
he stopped moving.

846
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,679
Speaker 2: He starts to slump over and uh.

847
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: And we're just standing there and ain't said a word.

848
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:15,079
I ain't said a word. My ears were still ringing

849
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:18,880
from from the shot. And I turned and I looked,

850
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,119
and that Blair guy with his dog. They are booking

851
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,880
it down the down the down the bank towards They're

852
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,679
on the opposite side, actually cross, but they're booking it

853
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,360
towards us. They ain't get on the four wheeler and

854
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,719
come towards us. They are booking it towards us. And

855
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,000
we see him over there and he stops and he

856
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:43,880
looks like, what in the hell is that man? Anyway,

857
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,119
I said, stay there, we come over there.

858
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: Me and Al walked. We walked. We had to.

859
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,679
Speaker 1: We had to go to the left and walk all

860
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,719
the way. It was a long way, man, long way.

861
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,920
We walked all the way around the end of that

862
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,880
part of that slew where it got shallow into the

863
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,360
grass and met him over there and he's still waiting

864
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:08,519
on us, and uh.

865
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: We exchanged our what the hell's you know? Because he

866
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,519
was like, I've never seen anything like that in my life.

867
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,400
They were like, dude, you got to If I was,

868
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:17,320
I would get out of here.

869
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 5: I believe Yeah, I think I wanted that. When he

870
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,239
went and got this for where and he got all

871
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,960
down and he no sooner he was pulling off man.

872
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 2: Alan. Alan finally thought to me, and he was.

873
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,679
Speaker 1: Like, man, I think we need to cook too, because

874
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:37,440
I wasn't, you know, and think about as soon as

875
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,760
I did it, but I realized that we had We

876
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,719
had fired a gun before shooting, which is a crime

877
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,719
in and of itself. I mean, I said, crime. You

878
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,480
ain't even go to fail for it. You get a big

879
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,840
fat ticket, big old fat ticket. E sespecially if the

880
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,880
game warning catches you. Better not let it be a

881
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,159
federal game warning the drivers of the silver trucks either.

882
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,239
But at this point in my life, I've never had

883
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,760
a run in with a game warning while I was hunting.

884
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,320
I've always hunted private land. I've has been so far

885
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,559
back off in a place that you know, they normally

886
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:04,880
wait on you at your truck.

887
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:06,519
Speaker 2: Man.

888
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:08,559
Speaker 1: We hit the trail and we don't I mean we

889
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:15,599
make it. We didn't make a half mile. I'll tell

890
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:17,639
you that we didn't make it half a mile. We

891
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:20,280
get hit with a spotlight and it's a it's a

892
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:26,760
freaking game. Well he comes up, uh and he asked

893
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,360
us to company.

894
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,039
Speaker 2: He said it.

895
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: Said, who was that boy that ran for me on

896
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,239
that oo wheel with the dog? So I guess Blair

897
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,199
gave him the slip. I guess David Seine Blair and

898
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:37,239
Blair gave it the slip.

899
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,039
Speaker 2: And I don't believe it. To be honest, I ain't

900
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:43,639
want to tell you that I'm a run from the wall.

901
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,239
But if there was ever a time, you know, but

902
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,719
uh many chempters. He shoot, that's all shooting.

903
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,159
Speaker 1: I told him, know that Allen busted me out. Allen

904
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,079
straight up busted me out. It came you need to

905
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:01,360
tell him what's going on. And I'll be honest with you.

906
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,119
Speaker 2: I love Alan. That's my brother, and I say it

907
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:04,599
because of my brother. I wanted to punch him in

908
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:05,000
his mouth.

909
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to correct him right there in front of

910
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,679
anyway we end up taking the dude back to the

911
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,599
spot and this thing is stup. Man, he's still in

912
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:15,920
the water. I mean, obviously he's.

913
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,599
Speaker 2: Still in the water, but he still hadn't fallen below

914
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:21,079
the water left, but it.

915
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,599
Speaker 1: Is his right shoulder and his head were still very

916
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:25,760
very visible about the water.

917
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: Sun's coming up and all kinds of.

918
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,639
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, anyway, he sees this thing from the

919
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:33,960
bad and you know it's it's not as dark black

920
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,960
as a black bear. But if I saw it at

921
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,119
a glance and that was that'd be my first guess

922
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,960
if I saw what he saw, which was the back

923
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,079
of a head with some ears, and you know it

924
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:48,440
wouldn't he wouldn't. He wouldn't too misguided in making that assumption. Man,

925
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,960
that dude looked at me, said you shot a black bear,

926
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,880
And ude, I knew I was fixing the bands.

927
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, black of a better ware, and uh, man, we

928
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,880
go over there. He tells us to come on. We

929
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,719
hop back in his die, I said, we go.

930
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: Over them, and he looks at this thing head on

931
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,960
and he went and radioed for backup, and this great

932
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,599
big fellas, big old ball dude shows up and uh,

933
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:19,000
neither one of them were the were the federal game

934
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:21,719
game wardens are there. They're federal agents. But the guys

935
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,559
in the green trucks are different than the guys in

936
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:25,800
the silver trucks. And the guys in the silver trucks

937
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,840
have that wand like the metallic one, they can wave

938
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,280
and see if you shot your ducks with lead shot

939
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,559
or whatever. Both these guys were green Jean game wardens

940
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,760
run of the mill. And here I am with I've

941
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,239
had I've got to run in with two of them now,

942
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,880
and I've never even I've never even been kicked by

943
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,159
game warden wileat before.

944
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:46,199
Speaker 2: So I racked up two of those in one day. Man,

945
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:46,880
that big.

946
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: Fellow he looked for what. Man, he didn't look surprised

947
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,960
at all. Let me let me say that before I

948
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,480
forget to mention that, because that was kind.

949
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: Of weird too.

950
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: That dude was not surprised in the least bit, not even.

951
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,000
But he told us we needed to get on down.

952
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,559
He ain't that a whole lot. He's like, Man, I

953
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:09,400
think y'all should leave right now. Y'all need to get

954
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,360
on out of here. And man, we left. We got

955
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,159
on down, bro, and uh, I dropped Alan off at

956
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:23,880
his house and we sat there for a minute. He's like, man, okay,

957
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,880
and he was asking me more than are you all right?

958
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:29,239
Like is everything going to be all right? And are

959
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,239
you okay?

960
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, and uh man, I just it's it's it's

961
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:48,400
it's surreal, like it's it's over. It's over.

962
00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: It's really over. My family is safe. We're safe, like

963
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,039
we they're back at my house. Like I'm in my

964
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:57,599
driveway right now. I'm I'm not worried about being out here.

965
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:02,119
My children are eighth inside. I'm not sure they were.

966
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:04,320
They were terrorizing their mom a few minutes ago, wanting

967
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,440
wanting the the eminem ice cream cookies that we bought

968
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,840
from the Star earlier. But this is my normal life,

969
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:14,840
Like my normal life is completely back in full swing

970
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,239
as much as it can possibly be, you know, Like

971
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,239
I'm I'm going with Alan, I'm going, I'm gonna I'm

972
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,239
gonna see him tomorrow. I as a real person, this

973
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,239
is my real best friend.

974
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 2: I'm going hunting with him in the morning, and I'm.

975
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: Not worried about it at all. My family is gonna

976
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,760
be here safe at my now. Warren's down the hill,

977
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,280
my my brother from another mother's down the hill down there,

978
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,800
he's you know, I know he's always and both of us.

979
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,800
You know, I'd watched dude's house for him while he

980
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,400
was going if he didn't ask me to, you know,

981
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:51,400
but there's always eyes open on this hill. And my

982
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:55,079
family is safe while we're here. Warren's family is safe

983
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:57,239
while I'm here. He ain't gonna ask me for that.

984
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,239
That dude is done and done for me.

985
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: Man, I didn't even know him when it started.

986
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but my my life is back, my my my

987
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:11,480
regular every day. And I say that my kids are

988
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,199
still not allowed to go outside without me, let me

989
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:16,239
And what I guess.

990
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: I guess I'm in it.

991
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: Really When I said as normal as it can be,

992
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:22,920
I mean, my kids are not going to go outside

993
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,360
without me.

994
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: I don't let my dogs outside for very long. You know.

995
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: They go to the bathroom and I stand on the

996
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,840
porch the whole time that it's time, holler for him

997
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:31,239
to come back.

998
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: I don't even let them go in the backyard. They went.

999
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: We got a great big front yard. But you know,

1000
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:38,239
but other other than those things, man, I know it's

1001
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,000
safe now. It's it's just a safe as it was,

1002
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,960
you know before all this came to be before all

1003
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:50,760
these things happened with me. And uh, and there's something

1004
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,519
that I forgot to mention. Not that it really matters,

1005
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:57,880
I guess, but my my my pop, my mom's dad

1006
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,960
and who my my little girls, my wife went to

1007
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:03,239
stay with you know when all when all this all

1008
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:08,199
the all that was going down up here. Man, and

1009
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:13,000
that dude didn't believe me. I swear it all my life.

1010
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:19,079
Speaker 2: He did not. You know, he didn't say he said things.

1011
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: He asked me if I was trying to abandon my family,

1012
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,440
No junk, I swear all he asked me, if I

1013
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,039
was trying to abandon my family and dump them on

1014
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:35,000
him like dude. Anyway, I received more of a you know,

1015
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:41,719
I received more of a warm welcome here on vix On,

1016
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,519
on vixed platform from folks I don't even know. You know,

1017
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,519
there's there's and there is somebody that I do know

1018
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:54,039
that recognized me out here. Miss misrus Anne, if you're listening,

1019
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,559
thank you for your kind words.

1020
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 2: I love you, and uh Jay and b to death.

1021
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: Actually I'm not gonna say those names, but uh, you know, the.

1022
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,159
Speaker 2: People here have been the ones that were and my

1023
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:08,920
mind for allen.

1024
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: You know, and and and my my grandpa, not my pop,

1025
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,280
but my grandpa.

1026
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,559
Speaker 2: And my my pop believes me now. But that was

1027
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:16,320
really a thing, man.

1028
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: He really asked me if I was if I was

1029
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,840
looking for a way to abandon my like like I've

1030
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:25,440
ever done anything, Marrit asking me that. But you know,

1031
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:30,800
the people here on this channel were I'm talking about

1032
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,639
the nicest, nicer than anybody's man, you know, the the

1033
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:39,199
embrace was was just I needed that like I needed it. It

1034
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,360
was it was a you know, a slice of ice

1035
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,039
in in the midst of a bunch of you know,

1036
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:49,559
crazy crap going on in my life. And uh, my

1037
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:53,320
life will never be completely normal ever again, because man,

1038
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,280
that's that's not the only one of those things out there.

1039
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,679
Speaker 2: It was the only one that had me marked, thank god.

1040
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: But as normal as my life can be, it's gonna be,

1041
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,360
especially after this long and you know, all this happened,

1042
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,760
all this happened. I told Vick it was it was

1043
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,639
the sticks and de sound was wrong. That was a Friday.

1044
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,800
It was the seventh December, the seventh, man, it was.

1045
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,159
It was four days, four days outside of the year.

1046
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:22,239
And that that that that it took Dallas for me,

1047
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,239
so he got his you know, he got my dog man,

1048
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:29,920
he got a lot.

1049
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: More than my dog. He got a lot of things,

1050
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:35,079
you know, he got a lot of things.

1051
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: He got a lot of things from my family, you know,

1052
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,880
and and he got he got things from one, he

1053
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,119
got things from Alan. That thing is is a thief.

1054
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:49,559
He stole something from everybody, everybody involved, you know, and uh,

1055
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,360
you know it's it's.

1056
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 2: I don't feel bad about it. Again.

1057
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,639
Speaker 1: I don't feel the beliefs bit bad, you know, I don't.

1058
00:51:58,639 --> 00:51:59,639
I don't feel bad at all.

1059
00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 2: You know.

1060
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,639
Speaker 1: It's just their there variables that I couldn't control, and

1061
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,920
people who are affected in ways that I couldn't help,

1062
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,719
and you know, it's just my fault.

1063
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: And I feel like it was because this.

1064
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like that thing was on because

1065
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,559
you know, like I said, I was just bamboozling as

1066
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:20,239
to why it was after me, you know, why why

1067
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,079
it was me? Why Why was I the one it

1068
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:25,440
was after Tyler blasted him. Tyler's the one who shot

1069
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,559
him first. It was I was just I was absolutely,

1070
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:34,079
just completely just confused at that how that was. But

1071
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,920
now I didn't even say this to Vic yesterday, and

1072
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,360
I've been thinking about it a lot today.

1073
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: Man, that thing. I wasn't as afraid of it as

1074
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,639
it wanted or as it needed, because they feed on it.

1075
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,559
There's no way they don't feed on that. Man. I

1076
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:49,159
if you'd have told me that both, like.

1077
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,679
Speaker 1: Like, you know, not long outside of my first run

1078
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:53,400
in with this thing, I might have told you were

1079
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,599
nuts for thinking that. And you know, it's crazy that

1080
00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:59,480
I can even begetting to call somebody nuts after what

1081
00:52:59,519 --> 00:52:59,880
I've seen.

1082
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,039
Speaker 2: But that just didn't make much sense to me. But now, h.

1083
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's dude, there's no that's that's the only

1084
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,239
thing I can think of because, like I said, if

1085
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,000
if you were going by logic, letting logic dictate, Tyler

1086
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:17,920
shot that thing first, it should have been after him.

1087
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:23,880
Tyler was man, Tyler's shaking his boots. I was I

1088
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,159
was scared. I was scared, you know whatever admnute I

1089
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:29,800
was scared. I wasn't terrified. I wouldn't take it in

1090
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,519
my boots. I wasn't ready to run, man, I'm never

1091
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:34,119
gonna run. I wanna fight if I can, even if

1092
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:34,719
I get woked.

1093
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: You know, there's no sense to not.

1094
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,119
Speaker 1: But I feel like it didn't get what it needed.

1095
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:41,880
For me, and it was gonna persist until it got

1096
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:48,679
it or until it got me. And you know, I was, man,

1097
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:54,159
I there's there's no I can't tell you how fortunate

1098
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:59,199
I am. I'm I'm I am not some hard ass sorry,

1099
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,400
pardon me, I just I'm trying to illustrate here. I'm

1100
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,159
not some hard headed or hardcore dog man hunter man,

1101
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:06,800
and never in my life gone out and hunting and

1102
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,119
killed one of those things. That's not I wouldn't recommend

1103
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:13,920
anybody doing that. You know, that's you got a death witch.

1104
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:17,559
I just my hand was forced and I had that

1105
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,679
at the time. I had the upper hand, Thank God,

1106
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,320
thank Alan, you know, man, just just to let you

1107
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,880
know how dangerous it is. I mean, dude, I had,

1108
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:28,440
I had a bead between his eyes. I was, I was,

1109
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,079
I had every intention to blow and his brains out, man,

1110
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:35,679
And that thing grabbed a hold of me teleopathic. I

1111
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,719
don't know how said teleopathically. I mean it snatched a

1112
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,159
hold of me so fast, man, you know, it stopped

1113
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:45,239
me from shooting. There were several seconds that went by

1114
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,599
in that time. I mean, you know, I dare say

1115
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,840
ten seconds could have gone by. I'll ask Alan, I'll

1116
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,199
ask him just to you know, just to get that

1117
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:57,639
little tidbit. But man, but anyway, you know, I had

1118
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:00,440
I had to talk to Vic. You know, it's been

1119
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:00,800
a while.

1120
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:01,039
Speaker 2: Man.

1121
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: This was December seventh. I mean that was once a

1122
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,559
month ago, almost a month ago. But man, my family's home,

1123
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:14,400
my life is as normal as it can be. Yeah,

1124
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,320
it's Tyler. Tyler's feeling better now. I've told him about

1125
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,519
all that, even though he pushed me out. You know,

1126
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:24,119
I couldn't ask Tyler to come and risk his life

1127
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:26,159
and risk taking himself away from his children to help me.

1128
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:31,239
But you know, he was, he was. He was in

1129
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:32,440
it with me, you know, he was.

1130
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,119
Speaker 2: He was in it with me. But he's it's it's

1131
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:37,960
given him peace.

1132
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,119
Speaker 1: Of mind to know there are a problem, is the

1133
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:44,440
problem anymore, you know, And it's a he couldn't believe it.

1134
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:46,679
Speaker 2: I told him he couldn't believe it.

1135
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: He was like, I can't say what he was saying,

1136
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,599
but he didn't believe me, you know. And uh, there

1137
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:56,599
was this overdue to call Vic and talk to him.

1138
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: Man, I I'm be honest with you. I would have

1139
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:59,559
done it sooner.

1140
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: I just I've been I've been so happy to live normal,

1141
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,079
to go to sleep and wake up as normal as

1142
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:08,239
I can't, cause it took me. You man, it's probably

1143
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,400
a week after I had take some some night cluill

1144
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,360
because I got thick. And that was my first regular

1145
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:19,800
art pretty much regular night's sleep and a couple of months,

1146
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,320
and it was one of the most wonderful things ever.

1147
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: That was awesome. Uh, you know, but I had to

1148
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:33,480
tell Vic and uh, you know, I wanted.

1149
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,119
Speaker 1: To tell everybody else to you know, that that first,

1150
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,079
that first story, man, that was that was hard to tell.

1151
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,480
That was that was difficult to get out, man. It was,

1152
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:44,360
you know, and everybody was so y'all are awesome. Every

1153
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,679
one of y'all are beautiful and wonderful and and some

1154
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,599
of the best people I've ever not met, you know,

1155
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,400
But that was really that was really difficult to get out, man,

1156
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,079
especially to a bunch of people I don't know that

1157
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:57,559
are listening to me over the internet. You know.

1158
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: It was just kind of strange. But I'm really glad

1159
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,719
that I did it. I really am. I'm really glad

1160
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,760
I met Vig. Dude's wonderful. He's awesome.

1161
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: He has this way of letting you tell your story

1162
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:09,559
and and you know, you're just free to flow and

1163
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:10,000
tell it.

1164
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 2: It's it.

1165
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,159
Speaker 1: You can just get it right off your ass. Man,

1166
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:16,679
there's no you know, this was the place to go.

1167
00:57:17,159 --> 00:57:20,679
And I'm glad I picked this one. And and I'm

1168
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:24,039
glad y'all listen, and I'm glad that my family's back

1169
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:24,960
at my house, you know.

1170
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,119
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just you know, I had to tell.

1171
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,719
Speaker 1: I had to tell Vic, and I asked to tell y'all.

1172
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,960
Vic didn't ask me to do this. He puts zero

1173
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,440
pressure on me to come here and do this. This

1174
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:41,039
was I asked him, like, hey, man, and I'll be.

1175
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: Honest with you.

1176
00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: The reason that I asked him the way I asked

1177
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:50,639
him was do you think it's safe? Because one more thing, Man,

1178
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,599
I haven't heard anything else about this.

1179
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,199
Speaker 2: My game one got my info, you know.

1180
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: They they have my number, they have my name, they

1181
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,280
know who I am, they know what I did.

1182
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 6: And I was really really really really really really really

1183
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,440
expecting somebody to show up at my house, you know,

1184
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:11,400
whether it be somebody in a suit or from an

1185
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,639
Alphabet agency to ask me questions or to confiscate my guns,

1186
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,159
or you know, something or another.

1187
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,159
Speaker 2: And man, I have not seen heard from anybody, and

1188
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:24,039
I told that how weird I thought that was.

1189
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: And you know, let's victim was like, oh man, look

1190
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,880
if they if they wanted something for you by now

1191
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,519
that he came and got you, because I had.

1192
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,639
Speaker 7: I'll be honestly, I kind of been stressing over that.

1193
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:34,440
That was the only thing I'm stressing over, you know,

1194
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,639
at this point, because it's it's just good to have

1195
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:43,599
my life back. But uh, I was completely and totally

1196
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:49,480
kind of braced for that at my door, you know,

1197
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:53,760
and it has. It just didn't come, and I hope

1198
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,079
that it doesn't because I don't want to talk.

1199
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,519
Speaker 2: I talked to y'all in to be because I chose to.

1200
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,679
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody come into my off demanded to

1201
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:03,599
know what happened. I don't want anybody like that around

1202
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,559
my family. I don't want anybody that has any ties

1203
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:08,920
to anything that's in any way, shape, form, or fashion

1204
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:13,239
related to something like that. I want to leave that

1205
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,880
behind as much as I possibly can move on with

1206
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,280
my life and.

1207
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: Enjoyed my life.

1208
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,039
Speaker 1: I've forgotten what, you know, man, this past year, I've

1209
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:27,320
I've forgotten what it's like to really enjoy my life

1210
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,639
and my children, you know, and my my wife, and.

1211
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: You know, I think I might.

1212
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,679
Speaker 1: Be ready to go get another male dog now. I

1213
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:38,840
I haven't been able to bring myself to go get

1214
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,199
another dog man. My wife hasn't wanted another dog. Maybe

1215
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,599
my wife's not the best with dog. She's somewhat abrasive

1216
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:47,440
with her, if I'm being honest, but she you know,

1217
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,079
it tore her to pieces.

1218
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: When Dallas was dog man. She loved that dog, and

1219
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,320
it messed her up when I had to do what

1220
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,599
I had to do with Roscoe. But uh, I might

1221
00:59:57,639 --> 00:59:59,480
be in a place now where where I'm where I'm

1222
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:00,599
cool with I want to get.

1223
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:04,639
Speaker 1: A a male dog, you know, and a a probably

1224
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:06,880
I don't. I don't think I want to get a

1225
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,159
dog that looks like Dallas. I probably American bull dogs.

1226
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:10,920
I think I used to breed them. I've owned them

1227
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,360
for years, and uh, you know, I love them, and

1228
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,599
I've given lots of people lots of great dogs that

1229
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,400
love their kids and that, you know, I know people

1230
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,960
that deserve good animals and animals deserve good people no

1231
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,280
matter what. And I've made those connections in my life.

1232
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,840
But I don't think I could have another dog that

1233
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,840
looks like Dallas. Because I couldn't look at them every day.

1234
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,239
It would remind me too much. You know, I don't

1235
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:33,679
I don't ever want to see that again. I'll never

1236
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,119
not see it, you know. For that well, I won't

1237
01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:37,480
go the rest of my life without seeing it.

1238
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have.

1239
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see that night play in my head at times.

1240
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,880
But it's all over, man, it's all over now. Like

1241
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,800
it's not a it's not a concern anymore. It's a

1242
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,639
bad memory and that's all it is. It's a bad

1243
01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:56,719
memory now. But uh man, I just.

1244
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,719
Speaker 2: Thank you to all of y'all for listening to and

1245
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,760
allowing me to tell this story.

1246
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: Man here, you know, I've cried in front of people,

1247
01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:11,079
in front of people like like telling this story, I've cried,

1248
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:15,559
you know, And that's not anybody's problem, man, that's nobody's

1249
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:16,800
that's nobody's.

1250
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: Bullcrap to deal with. That's mine. But the amount of.

1251
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: People who are like, hey, man, we're with you, it's

1252
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:24,840
all good, you know, every everything will be okay. And

1253
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:30,440
this is that they are awesome, absolutely freaking off and

1254
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:35,280
uh and VIC two, you know, first and foremost, I

1255
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,719
wouldn't have the opportunity to have been have had people

1256
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,199
to be able to reach out to me and tell

1257
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:44,639
me it's gonna be okay if it would m But uh,

1258
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:47,320
I mean, that's what's happened in my life so far.

1259
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:52,079
Speaker 2: Uh you know, so far, that's there is no so far.

1260
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:56,599
But when it comes to that's where I am now.

1261
01:01:56,639 --> 01:02:01,239
Speaker 1: Man, I'm I'm happily home with my kids.

1262
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,119
Speaker 2: You know, they're soon as I'm as soon as I'm

1263
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:05,239
done out here, I'm.

1264
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:06,599
Speaker 1: Going in and they're gonna be in there waiting on me,

1265
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:08,760
covered in spaghetti sauce.

1266
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:13,639
Speaker 2: My wife made spaghetti. But uh, yeah, man, this is.

1267
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: This is uh, this is the best I've been in

1268
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,719
a really, really, really long time.

1269
01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 3: Sure, Cam, I think it's pretty safe to speak for

1270
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:28,920
everyone when I tell you that we're all so glad

1271
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,800
that you have your life back now. You deserve this.

1272
01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:35,000
You've deserved this for so long. When you told me

1273
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:37,960
about what actually happened when you had that show down

1274
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,480
with that dog man, I was so happy for you,

1275
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:45,159
and still am. But having said that, I know you're

1276
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,639
under a time constraint. You're gonna be up at the

1277
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:50,239
crack of dawn tomorrow to head out with Allen. So

1278
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,159
you said you only had about an hour to do

1279
01:02:53,239 --> 01:02:56,119
this show tonight. With that in mind, would you be

1280
01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:59,079
willing to come back Monday night at nine pm Eastern

1281
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,880
for a part so I could ask you a laundry

1282
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:02,960
list of questions.

1283
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:07,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, man, anytime.

1284
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:11,519
Speaker 3: Well, you know it's appreciated, it really is. And please

1285
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:14,159
remember when you head in the house tonight after wrapping

1286
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:16,119
up from this, I hope you do give your kids

1287
01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:19,079
a big hut because you deserve it and they deserve it.

1288
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,559
Speaker 2: I will. I'll tell them it's from vigman By, who

1289
01:03:22,639 --> 01:03:25,039
is big. I don't worry about it, baby.

1290
01:03:26,159 --> 01:03:31,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell them that's another story right there. It definitely is.

1291
01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: Well.

1292
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're sure the Monday night and nine pm

1293
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,840
Eastern time will work for you, then yeah, we'll just

1294
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,239
come back then and do a part to you to

1295
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,360
get all these questions thrown at you and we'll just

1296
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:43,000
take it from there.

1297
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: Then. I got you. Yeah, man, I'll see you all Monday.

1298
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:47,480
That'll be fun.

1299
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:51,199
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we're looking forward to it. And like

1300
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:53,679
I told you before, thanks again so much for coming

1301
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:55,519
back to updates on what's been going on.

1302
01:03:55,599 --> 01:04:02,199
Speaker 2: What's happened? Yeah, man, thanks for that one. It's it's like, wow, Well.

1303
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 3: You know you're welcome any way we can help. We'll

1304
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,480
definitely do that. But having said that, yeah, I'm going

1305
01:04:07,519 --> 01:04:09,559
to let you get out of here and get inside.

1306
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,079
Thanks against so Matreier time and we'll talk to you Monday.

1307
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,039
Speaker 2: Oh I see a man.

1308
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:21,039
Speaker 3: Thanks, we'll see ya. Well, that's another one in the books,

1309
01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:23,840
like we talked about earlier, just a moment ago. We'll

1310
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,880
be back Monday night, nine pm Eastern time for part

1311
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,719
two to ask him all these questions. I'm going to

1312
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,119
have a bunch of questions for him. If you're in

1313
01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:34,440
a live chat and have any questions for him that

1314
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,880
you'd like for me to ask them, then please come

1315
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,639
back and I'll definitely ask those questions as well. But

1316
01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:43,440
having said that, if you've had a Dogman encounter of

1317
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,119
your own that you need help dealing with, or maybe

1318
01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:47,639
you just want to come on the show and share

1319
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:51,920
it with other listeners, if you want to report that

1320
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,559
to me, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com submit a report,

1321
01:04:56,679 --> 01:04:59,400
and if you do that, then I'll contact you and

1322
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,880
schedule phone consultation with you and we'll take it from there.

1323
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:06,079
But having said that, thanks again so much for listening

1324
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:07,519
and have a great night.