WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:11.679 Today's story is one of infamy. It has gone down 2 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:14.839 as one of the most chilling cases in modern North 3 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:21.359 American true crime history. Together, two men captured, abused, tortured, 4 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:25.399 and murdered their victims, seeing them as mere objects or 5 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:30.359 playthings rather than human beings. What these men were capable of, 6 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:33.119 what they got away with, and how it all came 7 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:39.240 unraveling is nothing short of jaw dropping. Today we discuss 8 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:44.119 part one of the story of Leonard Lake and Charles NG. 9 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:46.119 My name's Ben. 10 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:49.799 I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim true 11 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:55.799 crime podcasting. 12 00:00:53.920 --> 00:01:24.120 The following podcast and material. I am listener. I feel 13 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:26.400 like it's been a while since we've had that sound. 14 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:29.519 I think it has actually, yeah, missed it. 15 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:31.920 We've been recording in the mornings a little bit more lately, 16 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:36.319 and it's been coffee, coffee and tea, coffee and tea. 17 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:39.920 But now it's the evening, so we get the because 18 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:41.480 heck to the yes. 19 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:45.719 Meanwhile, I'm sitting over here drinking apple juice like the 20 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:46.640 true I. 21 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:48.439 Am hey, nothing wrong with apple juice. 22 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:51.640 I freaking love apple juice. It do be good, damn good, 23 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:53.359 it do be good like that we used to go 24 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:55.840 through four later jugs like weekly. 25 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:59.840 You powered through that. Ye, Like your apple juice was 26 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:00.680 chocolate milk. 27 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:02.680 I think I had an addiction to it, to be honest, 28 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:04.920 and I think it might be coming it's coming back. 29 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:07.879 And I'm like, and you were the one that unleashed this. 30 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:09.919 Because I bought apple juice once and then. 31 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.159 I drank it and I'm like, shit, this is not good. 32 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.960 Wow, apparently I just can't buy apple juice all right now. 33 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:19.479 Our fridge is just going to have apple juice like 34 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:20.599 going forward. 35 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:23.199 Clearly, yeah, it's going to be the case. But apple 36 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:25.080 juice aside. We're not here to talk about apple juice, 37 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:26.400 but we are going to talk about a little bit 38 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:30.000 though before we get into today's case. Is the fact 39 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.479 that we are uploading two times a week, so this 40 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:34.759 is still very new for us. It is the two 41 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:37.240 times a week. So if you guys are enjoying this, well, 42 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:38.879 I hope you're enjoying it. If you're not enjoying it, 43 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:40.599 you're probably not listening to the show very much. So 44 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:43.800 I don't know. We're doing it two times a week. 45 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.000 That's all I'm really going on with. I guess it's exciting. 46 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.000 I like it. It is. It's getting us double the 47 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.120 true crime, it's getting us double the episodes, double the 48 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:58.080 murderous stuff. But we're also getting into Halloween here coming soon. 49 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:02.719 With fall, I kind of want to do a little 50 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:08.080 bit more spooky things this October. We always do Halloween Week. 51 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:11.479 Halloween Week will of course be making its triumphant return. 52 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:15.280 Yeah, that week is amazing with who is r MC 53 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:18.039 bringing Jacko? It's been a long time. 54 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:20.159 It has been it's been a while, it's been a while. 55 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:21.879 Oh my god, you can eat me off on a 56 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:25.080 tangent again. Things. But Jacko will of course be returning. 57 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:27.319 But I think we might throw in because we're doing 58 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:31.280 two episodes a week, maybe we'll do like throwing a 59 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:33.879 couple like paranormal things here just for the month of October, 60 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:34.639 because why not. 61 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:40.319 Yeah, people like people I think really like paranormal too. 62 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:42.080 And it gets you into the spooky it does. 63 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:44.439 Yeah, the whole month of October. 64 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:47.159 Spooky season it is. It's pretty awesome and I'm looking 65 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:49.960 forward to it. So it's not too far away. Yeah, 66 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:52.120 So make sure you guys get your Halloween stuff coming, 67 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.759 because I'm pretty sure leaves are already starting to change 68 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:56.080 at least up here. I think we said that in a. 69 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:57.400 Little episode in Northern BC. 70 00:03:57.520 --> 00:03:59.560 They are Yeah, that's what I said, at least up here. 71 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.360 So okay, I don't know if you guys are going 72 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:05.879 to be ready for this story. This is one that 73 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:13.319 is uh, it's a doozy. Buckle your seat belts. This 74 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:15.800 is a part one. So I'm going to tell you 75 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:17.879 right now. Some of you might want to wait for 76 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:20.360 the next episode to come out on Tuesday to listen 77 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:25.000 to all of it together. But it is a lot. 78 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:28.519 Yeah, well your intro was a lot. Well what did 79 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:30.360 you say in there, like play toy or. 80 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:36.399 Something, playthings? I think objects or play things rather than 81 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:37.360 human beings. 82 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:39.360 Yeah, I just like I cringe when I heard that. 83 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:43.360 I'm like, okay, okay, yeah, so that's very much so 84 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:45.839 this case. But we of course have a lot of 85 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:49.040 stuff to build up to those events, which is what 86 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:53.839 this this episode is about. Is that build up to it. Okay, 87 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:56.639 so we're going to dive in. We're going to build 88 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.959 this up. Buckle your seat belts, because it is one 89 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:01.920 hell of a ride. 90 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:03.000 Bumpy ryde eh. 91 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:06.600 Yeah. Okay, So starting off, we're taking ourselves back to 92 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:13.639 June second, nineteen eighty five. So on this day, specifically, 93 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.600 the weather in San South San Francisco, California was typical 94 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.319 for the early summer in the Bay Area. The morning 95 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:22.480 held a nice cool air and you know it hit 96 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:25.360 your lungs with that refreshing morning breath as it was 97 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.160 kind of the air was coming off the Pacific Ocean, right, 98 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:30.439 And as the day grew into the afternoon, the sun 99 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:32.639 perched itself high in the sky and the air began 100 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.920 to warm up, creating that nice Californian weather that we 101 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.040 can all picture in our minds. Right, you get Long Beach, 102 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:42.160 you know, the surfers, the skaters, the people in the 103 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.800 roller blades and the tank tops and jean shorts like 104 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:48.160 we can picture. We can picture South col all of 105 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:51.199 us can. R oh by, That's exactly what this kind 106 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:54.040 of day was like. Now, was on this day that 107 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:58.040 an innocuous hardware store called South City Lumber and Supply 108 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:03.240 in South San Francisco had this event that would create 109 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:06.920 a domino effect. Now, this is one that would unravel 110 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:11.000 an entire series of murders and tortures that were pinned 111 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:14.519 on these specific perpetrators that we will be getting into now. 112 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.120 The store manager at this South City Lumber and Supply 113 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.120 was working their normal work day. You know, whether it 114 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:23.160 was inventory or whether it was since there manager, managing 115 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:27.439 staff and customer service complaints, who knows what they were 116 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:29.759 doing their regular day. And now is that we're going 117 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.639 about the store, they noticed some odd activity from someone 118 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.959 who was shopping in the store. They noticed this individual 119 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:41.560 was in the midst of shoplifting. Ooh dang. Another man 120 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:44.639 was attempting to steal what was a table vice and 121 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.279 it's a simple clamping tool that was valued at approximately 122 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:50.240 seventy five dollars, So it's a good chunk of change. 123 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:52.279 Seventy five bucks is in cheap, especially when we've taken 124 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:56.560 ourselves all the way back to nineteen eighty five, right, Yeah, 125 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:01.199 So the store manager notified the store security immediately, and 126 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.959 they watched the man leave the store with the vice. 127 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:07.800 He clearly was not going to pay, so they followed 128 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.040 him outside and into the parking lot, and the security 129 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:13.279 guard confronted the man when he was at his vehicle. Quickly, 130 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:19.360 the man discarded the object into the trunk of his car, 131 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:21.639 and this man, as he was described to be an 132 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:25.639 Asian male, then took off running. Now the guard wasn't 133 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:27.639 able to catch up with him. It's a little unclear 134 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:29.639 if he actually tried to catch them. I mean, he 135 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:31.639 had the merchandise here in an open trunk of the 136 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:35.360 vehicle as our need to catch them. But regardless, the 137 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.360 guy took off and he got away. So the police 138 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:41.399 were quickly called, you know, to report the theft and 139 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:44.319 the incident and everything, to which they soon responded and 140 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:46.839 arrived to where this car was sitting in the parking lot. 141 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:49.360 Now this car was a brown Honda, and it was 142 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.399 parked with the vice as I mentioned, in the open trunk. 143 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.120 The police conducted a search of the open vehicle, and 144 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.560 they soon discovered that there was more than just the 145 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:02.680 discarded vice inside. In fact, it discovered a gun case 146 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:06.040 that contained a twenty two caliber revolver equipped with an 147 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:11.000 illegal suppressor or some people call it a silencer. Shortly 148 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:14.720 after this, the man, sorry, another man, came out of 149 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:17.079 the store and he gave his name and identified it 150 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:20.519 and identified it identified there he goes not too decent 151 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.519 at the end of that, identified himself as Robin Stapley, 152 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:25.480 and he told police that he had just paid for 153 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:28.519 the vice that his friend had just attempted to steal. 154 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:31.040 So he's just like it's all good, Like I'm sorry, 155 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:32.600 Like my friend tried to steal this. I just went 156 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:34.600 and I just paid for it. It's all good. Don't 157 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:36.679 worry about this, right, He's trying to like brush this 158 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:40.559 under the rug. Okay, Yeah, Now whether the guy did 159 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:44.000 or did not pay for this is actually irrelevant at 160 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.320 this point because their attention was now turned to the 161 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.519 gun that was illegally modified sitting in this Honda car. Right, 162 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:54.320 So I mean, I'm pretty sure even if he did 163 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:57.559 pay for it, like it's it's still an attempted theft, 164 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:00.519 so you still got a contact police and charges too pressed. 165 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.039 But yeah, I don't see that easy just to get 166 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:04.600 out of it really, right. 167 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.120 And that's what this guy was trying to do. Now, 168 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:10.120 police notice that this guy was a little bit nervous 169 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:13.200 in this whole situation, which I mean most people get 170 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.440 nervous talking to cops anyways, even if you don't do anything. 171 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:18.360 I'm always like nervous too. 172 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:21.120 It's weird. I feel like even if like if I'm 173 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:24.559 just walking by, like at a fair or some local event, 174 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:27.799 there's just like police walking around just patrolling, right, I 175 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:28.759 feel like I gotta. 176 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:30.399 Like, like, shit, what am I hiding? 177 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:32.600 I had to like stand up straighter and like try 178 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.399 and act casual, not look at them sideways like you 179 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.000 know what I mean I do. It's really weird. So 180 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.840 this guy was acting a little bit nervous now regarding this, 181 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:46.399 because this guy this was his vehicle. The man was 182 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:48.840 quickly apprehended and he was actually taken to the police 183 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:53.600 station to be be questioned about the firearm. The firearm 184 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:57.000 that they had found also along to be questioned with 185 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:00.360 the robbery incident as well. Now it didn't take long though, 186 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:03.120 for the man to actually identify his friend who had 187 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:05.799 fled from the store. It was on the drive from 188 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:08.919 that parking lot at the hardware store to the police 189 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:11.639 station that he told the officer driving the car that 190 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.440 his friend's name was Charles Ing. Now his own identity. 191 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:19.159 On the other hand, he did hide for as long 192 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:23.080 as he could. When they arrived at the station and 193 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:25.799 began searching through the possessions on the man, they found 194 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:28.279 his ID card that he had had to match the 195 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.639 name that he had given Robin Stapeley. How Well, however, 196 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.879 nothing else on the ID card did match just the name. 197 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.000 This clearly wasn't the same individual. 198 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:44.559 Oh okay, yeah, I see, Okay, it was not his ID. Okay, 199 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:47.720 Oh man, they're going to be getting in some trouble here. 200 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:48.519 This isn't good. 201 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:53.159 Oh just you wait, because shit it. I guarant fucking 202 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.840 tee you you will not see the turn this takes 203 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:00.320 here shortly. Okay, I fucking guarantee you take take a 204 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:02.960 wild guess on just some wild shit that you think 205 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.879 could happen in the situation, and I guarantee you wrong. 206 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.200 Seriously, yes, so you're just setting me up to fail. 207 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:13.360 I guarantee you will not guess it. It's just so 208 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.000 left wing, You're like, you'll be like, what the fuck? 209 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:16.600 I don't know. 210 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:19.279 I'm thinking that these are the guys that are doing 211 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:23.360 bad shit. Like, clearly I can't be wrong with that, 212 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:23.919 can I? 213 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:28.399 Well, obviously, but I mean, what happens here at the 214 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:29.080 police station? 215 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:31.639 Oh, I have no idea, Okay, I have no idea. 216 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:34.440 Well, they're definitely suspicious of this guy because he's got 217 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:38.919 given a false false name with a potentially stolen ID. Right, 218 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:42.240 so they were very suspicious, suspicious of this individual, and 219 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:44.759 they put him in a room for questioning. And it 220 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.679 didn't take long for him to actually come clean. He 221 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:51.840 told officers that his real name was Leonard Lake. He 222 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:55.080 said he was a fugitive, and he told officers, the 223 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:57.679 ones that was questioning him, that he would make an 224 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:01.279 official statement. So he asked for a pen and a paper. 225 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:03.679 You know, you got to make a statement, right, you 226 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:07.360 got to write some stuff down. So he asked her pen, paper, 227 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.879 and a glass of water. Now, the officers left to 228 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:13.879 go grab the pen and paper and brought it back 229 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:16.360 to him, and in that time that they said, Okay, 230 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:17.960 we'll give you a minute to write all this down, 231 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.840 you know, make your statement on the paper, make it official. Whatever. 232 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:24.000 They left him in the room by himself. By the 233 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.960 time they had come back, the man who was sitting 234 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:29.440 in the room by himself, Leonard, was laying on the 235 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:31.679 floor convulsing violently. 236 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:32.960 Oh geez. 237 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.080 Yeah, they didn't know what the fuck was going on, 238 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:38.159 whether it was epilepsy or something else, but he was 239 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:42.080 reportedly flopping around like a fish out of water. Oh 240 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:42.480 my gosh. 241 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:44.960 Because I'm also assuming that they probably like you know, 242 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:46.960 patted him down or searched him or whatever. 243 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:49.679 Definitely, yeah, no, they padded him down, they searched him, 244 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:51.840 especially considering he had a fighter arm in his car, 245 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.080 right yep. So they did a thorough search he he 246 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:58.360 had nothing on him, so they rushed him to the 247 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.360 hospital via ambulance to give him medical attention that he needed. 248 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:05.879 But it didn't take long for them to get some news. 249 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:12.000 The police received news from the hospital that Lake was 250 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:17.200 brain dead. What the he though his heart was still pumping, 251 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:23.919 his brain nothing there, He was dead, his brain dead, right, yeah. 252 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:26.399 So at the hospital they would take him off life 253 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:28.879 support and they did an autopsy on him to try 254 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.759 and figure out what the fuck happened. And what they 255 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.840 discovered was the last thing anyone would suspect. Dunt, dun, dunt. 256 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:37.840 Just like I said, right, you're not gonna fucking see 257 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:44.879 this coming. Leonard Lake died of cyanide poising poisoning. They 258 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:48.159 found that he had a capsule of cyanide sewn into 259 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:52.480 the hem of his shirt and he ate the cyanide 260 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:54.600 while in police custody. 261 00:13:55.120 --> 00:14:01.600 Oh my gosh, okay, yeah, I would never have guessed that. Nope, Like, oh, 262 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:03.360 like it was just there kind of in case he 263 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.879 gets some shit that he just takes this, I guess. 264 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.879 Eh, you bet youa wow? Okay, so they were able 265 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.639 to determine that the tablet was a gel tablet, and 266 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:15.039 it would take about twenty to twenty five minutes or 267 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.200 so for the cyanide to really reach his bloodstream and 268 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:18.879 affect him. 269 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:19.200 YEI. 270 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:23.799 This puts the timeline of him ingesting the tablet around 271 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:26.639 when he started talking to the police in the lumberyard. 272 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:31.080 Okay, so he that's interesting that he didn't just run 273 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:34.600 too or something. Eh, you know, like maybe or maybe 274 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:36.679 he just thought that he could get away with it, 275 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:38.679 if with the story or who. 276 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:40.240 Knows, and maybe the moment he was put in the 277 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:41.200 backseat of car. 278 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:44.879 That's when he's like dang, yeah, yeah, you know, I 279 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.519 do say like, I do really like his name. He's 280 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:50.440 probably a terrible person, but Leonard Lake, like that's kind. 281 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.559 Of a good name, kind of rolls off the tongue. Yeah, strong, Yeah, 282 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:56.559 Now there are I do want to say this. There 283 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:59.320 are some stories suggesting that he actually ate this tablet 284 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:02.960 inside interrogation room while like, you know, he's like, oh, 285 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.440 I need dependent paper and while the officers fetched it, 286 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:07.360 they ate it or he ate it and then came 287 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:10.080 back and he was convulsing. As far as my research goes, 288 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:15.000 that is false. I have seen in some documentaries officers 289 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:19.840 who were directly dealing with this case reported that the 290 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.639 reports from the hospital were twenty to twenty five minutes 291 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:27.200 prior to so while they did leave the room and 292 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:30.720 came back to him convulsing, the reports state that the 293 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.159 tablet would have been ingested twenty to twenty five minutes. 294 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:36.080 Okay, well, yeah, because you wouldn't think it'd be quite 295 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.399 as quick as him just ingesting it when they left. 296 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:42.559 The room there, Yeah, exactly. So just a clarification on 297 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:44.080 that one, because that's actually one of the things that 298 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.559 really brought this one to my attention was this highlight 299 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:49.360 of oh, when their backs were turned in the interrogation room, 300 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:53.320 he ate the tablet. So that is a false piece 301 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:55.879 to this story. But either way, the results are the same. 302 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:01.120 Leonard committed suicide by ingesting this tablet. Now. What they 303 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:04.240 did also find though, inside that room, was when he 304 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:07.159 was writing that statement, letter, that confession, or whatever you 305 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:11.639 want to call it. He didn't actually write a statement. 306 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:15.240 He did instead write a letter or if you will, 307 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:20.440 technically a suicide note to a woman named Lynn oh Man, 308 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:21.440 and it read. 309 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:23.440 This, oh Man, we got to hear it. 310 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:28.399 Dear Lynn, I love you, I forgive you. Freedom is 311 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:31.559 better than all else. I leave it up to you 312 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:34.440 to tell the law about the horrors of this house. 313 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:38.519 Oh geez, yeah, that's okay. 314 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:41.360 Yeah, that's h hmm. 315 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:42.399 Let that sink in. 316 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.720 Yeah, no kidding, I mean that is something I guess 317 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:46.679 to leave behind there. 318 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:52.799 No, that's something for sure. Yeah. So what started as 319 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:58.320 a standard shoplifting event turned into a suicide and criptied 320 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.360 suicide letter. I guess that's one that seemed like a 321 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:05.480 suicide that also seemed to be very well planned out, 322 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:09.160 as you mentioned, because clearly he expected this well at 323 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:14.039 some point. Yeah, so there's some some shit that the 324 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:16.400 police are scratching their head head over. They're shook. 325 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:17.960 Well, yeah, they can just let that be. 326 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:21.400 No, and like, what the fuck did they just stumble into? Right, So, 327 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:25.000 their next steps would be to identify the man who 328 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.640 ran from earlier that day. So, as Leonard had told them, 329 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.319 he was a man by the name of Charles NG. Now, 330 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:33.880 a quick background search on the man's name showed some 331 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:38.799 troubling insight. Charles NG joined the United States Marine Corps 332 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:42.119 in nineteen eighty, but this ushery. But his time in 333 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:45.799 the military was anything but commendable, especially when we think 334 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:48.680 of like, you know, marines or whatever. Yeah, he's not 335 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.480 so much a stand up part of the military. He 336 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.039 was caught stealing automatic firearms, including machine guns, from the 337 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:01.400 armory at the Marine Corps base in Hawaii. As a result, 338 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:05.359 he was court martialed and convicted of theft. This conviction 339 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.920 led to a prison sentence of fourteen years being given 340 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:12.599 to him. However, before he could serve this time, Charles 341 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:16.279 managed to escape custody and began life as a fugitive. 342 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.759 Oh wow, Okay, now things get a little bit dicey 343 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.599 here because Charles was not an American citizen. See, he 344 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:25.799 was born in Hong Kong. As I mentioned earlier, he 345 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:28.559 was described as an Asian male. He was born in 346 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:32.400 Hong Kong, and he held a Canadian citizenship. Yet he 347 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.359 managed to lie to the United States military even though 348 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:40.119 he's not holding a United States citizenship and still joined 349 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:44.279 the army. Wow military. Sorry, So let's just back up 350 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:45.599 a bit and take a look at some of his 351 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:49.000 younger years that led up to all this. So, during 352 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:52.160 Charles's teenage years, he was often characterized as a troubled 353 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:56.519 and isolated individual. Leading to multiple expulsions from various schools. 354 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:59.920 At the age of fifteen, after being caught shoplifting his 355 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:03.720 his father insisted that he attend Bretham Grammar School, which 356 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.119 is a boarding school in North Yorkshire, England. However, his 357 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:10.279 time there was short lived, as he was expelled for 358 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:14.240 stealing from fellow students and subsequently returned to Hong Kong. 359 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:20.720 As it turns out, Charles was somewhat of a kleptomaniac. Now, 360 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:25.039 Charles obtained his Canadian citizenship through his father, who was 361 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:29.079 a naturalized Canadian citizen, and he had acquired this citizenship 362 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:33.680 even before moving to United States. But eventually he would 363 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:35.960 make his move to the US in nineteen seventy eight 364 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:39.440 on a student visa, enrolling in biology at the College 365 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:43.440 of Notre Dame in Belmont, California. His academic career was 366 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:47.799 brief and he dropped out just after one semester so 367 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:52.079 following a hit and run incident shortly later, he would 368 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.240 join the United States Marine Corps to evade legal consequences. 369 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:59.880 Like he was the he was the one that hit yes, 370 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.480 and then he joined the Marine Corps trying to evade 371 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.200 the consequences of that incident. Now being that he was 372 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:10.680 in the US illegally after he was you know, let 373 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:14.440 go from the Marines, it would complicate the whole efforts 374 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:16.920 to try and track him down since now he's running, 375 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:19.359 they need to question him for all this, right as 376 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:22.720 he could easily potentially flee the country to either Hong 377 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:27.279 Kong or Canada since he is a citizen of both right, 378 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:29.559 most likely holding a passport for both. 379 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:30.119 Right. 380 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:34.599 So all in all, authorities knew that they had their 381 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:36.640 work cutout for them trying to track this dude down. 382 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:40.119 As they did so, they continued to investigate Leonard Lake 383 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:44.319 and how he played into all of this. Looking into 384 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:46.839 the brown Honda car that Leonard was driving gave a 385 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:50.240 few more hints into exactly what was going on. Some 386 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:52.359 of the things that they found inside, and some of 387 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:57.039 the hints and stuff I'll say that they found were 388 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:01.440 a stolen a stun gun, paper, some papers belonging to 389 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:06.400 people of various names, several different pieces of identification belonging 390 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:10.039 to multiple different people. A single bullet hole in the 391 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:13.079 car that seemed to have been fired from the inside, 392 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:18.599 pointed towards a front seat that exited the roof. Okay, yeah, 393 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:20.440 seemed like it was fired from the back seat. 394 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:22.880 There's some shit going down in this vehicle. 395 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:25.640 Hey. Oh well, when they ran the serial number for 396 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:28.799 the car, they found it also belonged to someone else. 397 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:30.920 Yeah, I was sort of assuming. 398 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:33.000 The car was registered to a man by the name 399 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:37.519 of Paul Costner. Now the kicker, Paul had been missing 400 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:43.359 for seven months, so Paul had never come back from 401 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:46.559