Speaker 1: All right, folks know by now that it's the Summer
of Laps and the co Chairs are going to leave
no stone unturned, no corpse unhandled, as we go to
England for the very first time. It's Friday, August twenty
eighth at the Dome in North London. Your co Chairs
take the stage for the very first and perhaps final
Lapsed Fan live for all our fans in the UK. Boss,
I know, the juices are certainly flowing. The Worcestershire is flowing,
the brown sauce is flowing.
Speaker 2: Lots of juices are flowing, that's for sure, and that's
the only way I like it, honestly, and.
Speaker 1: It's in no small part thanks to our guest at
this time, Kenny Macintosh of Inside the Ropes. I'm sure
you know Kenny from his Inside the Ropes series where
he takes some of the leading personalities in pro wrestling
onto the stage for live conversations across the UK. He's
really become a bit of I don't know, Kenny, if
you'll take this analogy the right way, I don't know
the James Lipton of pro wrestling.
Speaker 2: Can you countenance that I'll take that?
Speaker 3: I mean, hopefully I do look like Jamie. I mean,
I have had some work done, but maybe in like
twenty years, maybe then I'll start to resemble him a
little bit more. But yeah, I'll take that one.
Speaker 2: Do you use the questionnaire from Bernard pi Vau to
end every interview?
Speaker 3: If you think any wrestler would understand that reference, then
you're giving them a lot more credit than I was.
Speaker 2: You after a good start.
Speaker 3: It's hard enough to get a wrestled to remember where
they wrestled or like, you know you will wrestling? Really, yes,
you were, I promise you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, isn't that so amazing? That's part of
why we're excited to talk to you, not just to
point folks towards what they can expect on August twenty
eighth in North London, but also just your experience interviewing
these wrestlers, because we've dipped our tone in a little
bit though we're not an interview show per se. And
my god, Kenny, sometimes you're literally like you're literally telling
them what they did in the ring because you want
the match that you remember as significant as to be
significant to them. And my god, could they care less
about that one match versus a thousand others.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was talking to somebody about this
recently where I said that, And I don't tend to
blow smoke up my own arse as much as I
probably should more. But I think maybe maybe about two
years ago, I think I became a really good interviewer,
and I think before that, I think I was kind
of just lucky that, like, if somebody was good, then
I got a good interview out of them. And I
think one of the things that I've learned the last
two years is that I'll give an example. So we
did two tours back to back in March of twenty
twenty five with Jim Duggan and then with Ted Dboss,
and the stuff that I was really interested in to
talk to them about was like them being in WCW,
you know, Dbosc being in a nWo, or like dug
In trying to like be relevant in nineteen ninety eight
and WCW. What I realized is for guys like that
who've been around forever, they don't remember any of it,
like as in the WCW stuff, they remember the big
stuff from WWF and that's kind of it. So a
lot of times, you know, the bit that you would
find really fascinating. It's just they just don't have anything
to say about it. And I remember I booked Teddy
Baussi and I was like, it's fine, he's got a podcast.
I'll just listen to the podcast and see. And I mean,
I don't know if you've listened to that podcast. Dominic Dangel
does a really good job. I want to put that
there first, but like, there'll be an episode on like
Summer Slam ninety and I thought this could be good.
You know, it's the show where he bought Sapphire. You know,
maybe there was some stuff going on with holding on
Earth Quaite Warrior. It was Champ and the Dominic's throwing
them all this stuff, and it's like he just doesn't
really have much to say about it. So you've got
this kind of forty minute episode which is kind of
on nothing, and I'm like, I've got three shows with
this guy, and I'm going to have to because what
I used to do was I would kind of try
to do a version of the same show in every city.
Now what I really like to do is try and
do different shows because essentially you are going to like
a live taping of Inside the Ropes interviews now or
like Brutuce Beefcake. We diding it with Brutis Beefcake in
October twenty twenty four and he'd written a book and
I'd read the book cover to cover, and I sort
of made sure that a lot of my questions were
about stuff in the book, and I would throw to
him for a story and I'm halfway through be like, oh,
you don't fucking remember any of this either. Somebody wrote
it for you. You must be given like two sentences and
that's been turned into two pages.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It's so distressing to realize that, like now, the answer
you can find to that question is the answer you're
going to get, no matter how well researched your question.
That's about all they've got on that topic, and that's
all you're.
Speaker 2: Going to get.
Speaker 3: I am. I've never said this publicly before, but I
don't mind saying it here. So I I am a
hyperconjact right, and by personality, i'm hyperconjract. If somebody says
the word cancer, I think I have it. It's just
so about a year and a half ago, I was realizing, like,
and I don't know what your guys memories are like,
but I would love to be one of these people
who had this big, photogenic memory and they can remember
every detail of everything. I'm just not like that. I
can remember some stuff really vividly. Some stuff people be like, oh,
do you remember you did this on this tour, and
I was like, nope, no, no idea. So I decided
to go to therapy because I thought I was losing
my mind, losing my memory. So I go to therapy
and we unpat childhood and we do all the usual
stuff that you do, and then about six sessions in,
she turned around to me. She said, I think I
know you well enough now to say this. She'said, the
problem is you want to have this amazing memory, and
the problem is you kind of just have a bang
average memory. And that was one of the most hurtful
things I've ever been told, because you know, there's all
this stuff, like you know, I've talked to wrestlers before
and they've given me, like, you know, probably snippets of
stuff behind the scenes, and I've thought it was really
interesting at the time, But do I remember at fifteen
years later.
Speaker 2: No, So.
Speaker 3: I do kind of what's the word sympathize with wrestlers
who don't necessarily remember all the big stuff. But you
I would like to think that if my memory was jogged,
yea would.
Speaker 1: At least yes something well, I mean and further to
the point, I mean, shouldn't there be a difference between
an aside, a wrestler says to you in a one
to one conversation or a one too many conversation on
a stage somewhere with you know, you know, one hundred
people in the audience versus like you were there were
like ten thousand people in the arena and you were
out there like showing out, Like, how does how does
the adrenaline rush alone not lodge itself in your memory?
Speaker 3: Well, I assume a lot of it has got to
do with like I don't know how much you guys drink,
like because I can put them back, right I can.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just just you know, when Kenny helps us out on stage,
you'll have to forgive him if if he's a little loose.
I've given him full permission to bring that element to
his performance. You're gonna you're gonna need it when talking
to us, that's for sure. And our robes gallery.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm getting into, so I'm you
know who knows what's gonna happen. I'm going in Blaine.
I'm going to bear back and this one for the
the way.
Speaker 2: We like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't plan on handing out condoms at the door.
I'm like prior shows.
Speaker 3: No, no, that's what I usually do. You know, you
come see Brits beef kite.
Speaker 2: Masks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think I think because a lot of
the wrestlers and theaties took so many drugs that you know,
and I do get the older I've gotten, the more
I kind of I'm sympathetic to them, but I do
think it's like just make something up.
Speaker 3: You're just like, yeah, play along in some way, and
you know, that's the most disappointing interviews are the ones
like so with Dugan as an example, he was a
great guy, really nice, really fun, but he basically had
twelve stories and that's all. That's all. That's what I mean,
and that's what you're going to get. And it's like
it's just not really that not that's not too is
interesting enough for me. Whereas you know, we were we
did a show ten days ago with Rhino in Glasgow.
He was great and he was like telling us about
like a backstage fight with the Sandman and New Jack,
and he remembered the town they were in, and you know,
he could still vividly tell you the story. But when
Vince McMahon came out to stop his match with Tajeri
in two thousy and two, he could vividly tell you
about being at the building the night before wrestling at
seventeen when they're going over the TLC match and he's
so tired he starts falling asleep, like it rings like
he's not really there, Like he's not really there for
a reason at this point, He's just kind of like,
you know, sitting around. So when those kind of stories
come out, you get really kind of invigorated. So God
fucking knows what I'm going to have to put up
with on August the What.
Speaker 2: There's that memory again?
Speaker 3: Fell I'm kidding, I know, but I've said this to Jack.
I've I am deliberately not looking at a thing. I
want to go into this and be as surprised as
everyone else, But no, they're not going to be. I'm
going to be the only one in the room surprised.
Everybody else is going to be like something. It's like
a Stockholm syndrome or a temperature because everything's going to
be like, actually, this is totally normal, and then I've
got a set there and contemplate my life choices. But
I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: That's most of our fans. I think we keep most
of our fans hostage. That's kind of the way we
do it. So it works.
Speaker 3: Good consents optional as we know.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, it goes without saying hopefully so great stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we will.
Speaker 1: We will refrain then because you've now sufficiently electrified me,
Candy at the possibility of you having absolutely no idea
what you're going to hear. We will spare you in
in orientation to some of the characters, which I was
wondering should we should we not? But uh, I think
we'll defer on that one.
Speaker 3: I think it's more fun not to because because if
you the more the more comfortable, I'm going to be
the easier the shows, and I feel this is one
that shouldn't be easy for me.
Speaker 1: Of course, you talk right, so your history and the
making here listeners, you are witnessing a live audible being
called we will leave Kenny in the dark. So, because
it's already going really well in terms of the things.
Speaker 2: I'm turning the guy. You gotta go away. Guys, you can't, no, no,
get out of here. Vince is like, hey, well I
heard he's a hypochondriac.
Speaker 3: For the guy.
Speaker 2: No no, no, Later, like.
Speaker 3: I did, I think we can peel the curtain back
a little bit. Talking to a couple of weeks ago,
and we were talking without Vince Ristle. And but I
don't know how many I don't know how many people.
I mean, I was talking about the real vents Rustle.
Speaker 2: No, this is great, please tell the story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so my history with Vince Ristl probably the
title of a you know, PTSD play. But the so
a couple of years ago, we've get Inside the Ros magazine.
It's a magazine. Unfortunately we can't get a distribution deal
in the US. It's too difficult. You can buy it
at our website, Inside the Rose Magazine dot com. Keep
print media alive. It's really good. But I so, anyway,
a couple of years ago, Finley Martin, who used to
write Power Slam Magazine, which was basically the Observer of
the UK for you know, from nineteen ninety four to
twenty fourteen, he was was intrigued at the idea of
interviewing Russo. So I set it up, and before that,
somebody who is actually on WTV right now had messaged
me maybe twenty fifteen. Sorry I'm jumping already. I interviewed
Russo in twenty twelve myself when he just left TNA.
I paid for the interview, so I don't regret it.
I paid two hundred and fifty dollars. But actually it
put us on the map because at that point there
were no wrestler podcasts. Loads of places picked up the interviews,
loads of people got to know what Inside the Ropes
was because of it. So I have no regrets about that.
And I had a good, quite a good experience with him.
I thought he was a decent enough guy. I mean,
I am friends with Jim Cornett, so my good feelings
towards them only go so far. So then it comes
to twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and by this point Russo
has done more interviews. I mean he's I mean that
first god awful book that he did where it was
like basically a forgiven Yeah, well, I don't forgive him
for that book because there's like a path of that
of him talking about oh you know I used to
fuck these broads and you know they were skanks, and
then and then in italics, it would be like God
taught me that women are beautiful, and every single thing
was like, you can't, you can't. You can't just call
someone a whore and then say sorry in the next
sentence It's not that's not it works.
Speaker 2: Oh he can't, Like oh he can't. Is that right?
Speaker 3: It's like the modern day thing. And I know people
who are listening to this know what I'm talking about, right,
the people who are dicks to you, and then blame
it on being neuro divergent. No, no, no, no no.
We've all got neurodiversion people in our life. Someone's our
new neurodiversion, whatever it is, but we don't use it
as an excuse. So Russell was using all that stuff
as the excuse in his first book. By twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, somebody who's on WTV, he came to me
and said, would you be interesting be doing a live
show the trial of Vince Russo? And I said absolutely not. Why,
I said, because he would argue with facts yea, And
like then I'm going to start shouting at him. And
I know I end up walking off the stage. And
as we mentioned earlier, I don't expect it's not a
prerecordit that you need to be honest with me in
an interview. I know that wrestler's bullshit, that's totally fine.
But you know, I'll use Eric Bischoff as an example.
We've done shows with him and he is absolutely up
for taking the piss out of himself. He's up for
dissecting some stuff. Is he telling me the truth one
hundred scent of the time. Probably not, but it's a performance,
so you know, get over it. But with Russo, he
just he's not willing to take any criticism of himself.
So fast out to twenty twenty three, Finn Martin has
got all these questions set up for him, and they
start off by talking about the recent Bloodline storyline with
sammy' zain and Roman Reigns, and Finn was asking Russell
if he'd watched it. Russell said no, and RUSSELLO basically
said it's not as good as it was in nineteen
ninety nine or something to that effect, and then Finn
was because saying, well, you know, the ratings can't be
the same because how you consume entertainment is different. Long
story short, Russo refused to move on until Finn agreed
with him.
Speaker 2: Right right, you have to question the premise, right right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Finn then refused to do so, like in
a polite way, and Russell hung up the zoom call
after so we we've course published the interview because if
you're going to be a petulant child, then we should
we should publish it, agreed. So then so then, like
he blocked me on Twitter last year because I think
I said something which was totally fair, like you don't
get a life or whatever it was I said, because
he was like banging on about fucking May nineteen night
and nine rows. And I know that all of us
that we love our own reresson that's what we kind
of live for. But like we're aware of realism and
that you can't compare today to then for a variety
of reasons. So he blocked me on Twitter. And then
one of the people involved with JCW that he's now
working with reached out to me and said, would you
be up front of you and Vince Russo And I said, okay, sure,
I mean he has me blocked on Twitter and I'm
not gonna roll over for him. He said, no, No, Russell
is fine, he accepts it, he's happy to he's happy
to do it. I said, okay, fine, and we did
the interview and I decided about ten minutes and I'm
not gonna do a shouting match with him. So there
was points where, like I said, to and I might
be rambling too long, to cut me off.
Speaker 2: Please start.
Speaker 3: So one of the things I was asking about was,
you know, looking back now twenty twenty six eyes, is
there anything that you wrote in the actualdea that you
would not write today? Right, Which is an interesting question,
and you know he could answer. However, he once and
he said I didn't write anything risky. I said, okay,
and he said, give me an example. He said that,
he said that, yeah, he said he didn't write anything risky,
and I said, okay. Some examples are Hawk's drug issue,
where you know there was the top of the Tron
issue in November ninety eight. That's an issue, Mark Henry
feeling up, Sammy who turned out to be a trans person,
and Terry Runnald's miscarriage. That was my three examples. So
he didn't accept that. He didn't even bring up the
Hawk drug one, but he said the thing is bro.
Because he said the thing is bro, Terry wasn't really pregnant.
I was like, no, COLUMBI I get it. I don't.
It's not that it's so nuanced that I don't understand it,
like that He's going, she's not really prigging. I was like,
I know, but don't you think that people watching a
wrestling show.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think I need to.
Speaker 3: You're you're you're fine because so so it got to
the point where I'm going, yeah, but people have a miscarriage,
was going she wasn't pregnant, bro.
Speaker 1: And I was like, in se so, and now she
was she had a miscarriage. I mean, that's kind of
a crude way to put it.
Speaker 3: So the whole thing went down the way they went down,
and you know, the interview we published it. I think
it was a decent enough interview. But I did the
long road I've got around there was I just wouldn't
do anything with Vince Russol, the man from Colorado, on stage,
because he's not like when I was interviewing him, he
was listening for every word that I said, and he
would interrupt me and like correct me on something like
So I would say, you're a conversation with Vince mcmaan
October of ninety nine, and basically, you know it was
done because he said to you to get an Annie
and he was like, no, no, it wasn't done. I
decided it was done. I was like, semantics is the
same thing. So I would never do it. But this August,
when Vince Russo approaches me on stage, it's like my
one time in my life where I don't have to
keep the professional halt. Ye, and I'm going to Frost
next in that Motherfuckerly.
Speaker 2: It is Frost Nickson. Let's go.
Speaker 1: I can hear those hands rubbing together because it's not
a game. Yes, So, I mean, what's tremendous is I think?
Maybe run into this, Kenny. I have kind of a thesis.
You might disagree, and you have a lot more experience
to disagree with it. But when you talk about the
difference between a dug and his recall or a DeBiase
in his recall and someone of Russo's generation as well
as his ILK, I mean, frankly, the guy was a writer,
a broadcaster. You know, it's it's perhaps less surprising that
people with that background would quibble on semantics than a
performer per se. But I think in general, and mentioned
Rhino too, if you grew up in the era of
the shoot interview, if you came up in the business
when the shoot interview was a thing, it was a
vein that you realized you could tap at some point
in your career, and so there was actually currency in
remembering these stories and being able to tell these stories
and knowing that at some point there's a platform to
I don't know, for lack of a better term, sell
these stories and know that part of your value as
a wrestler is your ability to tell stories too in
the shoot interview that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I think I think there is something
to that for sure. I mean I think there are
just some people who just are not going to remember
stuff regardless, but there's definitely something to it. And I
think that with Russell. What's so frustrating is look at
how much success Bishoff has had with eighty three Weeks, Right,
They've done live shows, he's he's toured the world with that.
The podcast is still going and has you know, I
think it's called like hundreds of thousands of listeners like
it's like a big podcast Russo. What's most annoying is
I think, deep down he is a likable guy, but
he's just such a butt heart idiot and the way
he comes across there's so much money he's leaving on
the table so much because you know the Russo brand.
When when you're when the guy you go to to
team up with is the coach, there's a problem.
Speaker 1: I think part of what stresses a lot of people
out on that side is that they have this like
duality where they have to ten that they're not constantly
monitoring every word that's said about them on social media
because that's sort of sad, But at the same time
they have to counteract and counter when they get a
microphone in front of him everything that's said. I think
I think Triple H struggles with this as well, Like
he doesn't he doesn't want you to know that he basically,
my opinion, is obsessively crawls social media for a reaction
to anything he does, says.
Speaker 2: Or books.
Speaker 1: But when he gets in front of the mic, you
can tell he's heard it all and he's trying to
assuage the things he's read.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: At the same time having to pretend to be above
it all. That's got to be stressful.
Speaker 3: It's like the idea of if you know, when you're
in high school or college or whatever, and you really
like are into someone, but like you would never dare
let them know when you're in the company, good analogy,
you'll be like, you know, you'd almost be ride to
them because you would not never want them to know
that you know you're jacking off to them that night
or whatever. And that's that triple H looks down on
the internet. Bejack's off over it and Russell is the same,
and yeah, it's it's it's a shame. It's because you know,
to me, I'm I'm honest to a fault in most
things that I do. And I just think it's more
I relate to people who are more honest, and you
don't need to be totally honest, but be honest enough
that people are getting what they want out of it
and it's entertaining. But ye, Russo is just he because
I think Finn actually asked him in the eight minutes
that they had together, you know, why don't you if
you don't like wrestling, why don't you go and do
something else? And he was like, what am I going
to do at sixty two? It's like, so we're fucking
stuck with you because you can't figure something else.
Speaker 1: Well, that's yeah, that's kind of what I mean. That's
the that's the you have to pretend you're above it all.
Apart when he says that about hating wrestling, yet here
he is, you know, he doesn't like I guarantee.
Speaker 3: You if Vince Russell went to like a college near
and this is not a joke and this is not
me doing a bit right, but he went to a
college in the town he lives in, and he was like,
you know what, I want to become a dog groomer.
I want to you know, have have a business where
people bring their dogs and I cut their hair. And
he would have a very fruitful life. It would be
just all puppies and nice dogs, and he'd be praised
for what he does and he'd probably learn about the
same amount money as he does for his Patreon. So like,
you're you're you're choosing the hateful life.
Speaker 2: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: Like I would be exhausted, Like if you hate something
that much, or you are you you're so but hurt
about it like every day having to deal with that.
Speaker 2: I just mean, I mean, I don't know. To me,
that also kind of that that that that to me
is a is also kind of like a symptom of
the business as a whole, where you need this attention,
you need this kind of reaction where it doesn't matter
how bad it is for you, you're like no, no, no, I
still need this, Like yeah, he gets that attention.
Speaker 3: And it's like like, look, I think you know the
three of us can truly agree as much as you
know we would if if the three of us had
to not do anything to do with wrestling anymore, we
would miss it very much, right, we Right. But at
the same time, I'm sure if it was like causing
is that much fucking turmoil all the time? Like you
know what, it's probably bear in the past, left in
the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought of something.
Speaker 1: We got to ask you on that front, because we
always joke Kenny about how if we're asked at a
at a cookout or in a social sense what we
do for the podcast and what it's about. I mean,
at that, we immediately retreat to the corner. Let me
let me tell you, let me tell you this is.
This is what usually happens. So usually i'm I'm in
a thing and people say, oh, you know, what do
you what do you do?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm I'm I'm an actor. I'm a podcaster.
And they're like, oh, you do a podcast? What is it? Uh? Well,
well you know we we do we do a podcast
about sports and entertainment. Oh oh that's what more entertainment
than sports? But well, what do you what do you know,
what do you what do you kind of what kind
of sports entertainment? Well? We do we do professional wrestling, oh,
partnership farture. And then I have to and then I yeah, seriously,
and then I have to, like, I have to rationalize
if by talking about how smart Jack is and stuff
get in there doing the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's someone who can no but you know, but
you know.
Speaker 2: This, but he's a you know, he's a reporter, and
so so here's those research. I swear there's research.
Speaker 1: So my question for you, Kenny, how do you answer
that question in polite company?
Speaker 3: It's it's even worse for me because I don't like
so podcast. It is probably the least thing that I do, right,
I would actually like to. I would like and I'm
not trying to fish for a job here. There's one
going up with my name in But I would like
to do more podcasting, right I would. I really enjoy it,
but I just you know, I do. I do a
bet on modern wrestling. I think i'd probably like to
do some stuff on all the wrestling, but I don't
do enough or make enough money from podcasting. I feel
it for me to really say that podcasting is my job,
but then all the stuff I do do it's difficult.
So my go to usually is, well, I'll go, do
you ever this is this is the exact thing. I'll go,
did you ever watch wrestling when you were younger? Oh? Yeah,
I remember that. Well, I work. I work in that,
and I've got my spiel down because the way I
say it is impressive, so you can't really fuck with
me when I say it. I go, oh, yeah, you know,
we've got we've got a YouTube channel where I do interviews.
It's got over four hundred thousand subscribers.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I put the number in there. Let's say
think exactly.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. You got to get the dick sides
in there. And then and then I say, the big
kind of Barnes and Nobles store in the UK is
called w H. Smith, So I'll say, we've got a
magazine in w H Smith. And then I do live
events around the UK where I tour with the wrestlers
and do Q and a's and meet and greets and like,
even if you don't like wrestling, you can't. You kind
of have to go fair. That's pretty that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: So at least you leave the base and like some
other podcasters.
Speaker 3: Because I've tried, I used to try going like events
promoter and they're like, oh, what kind of events? And
then it's like we're so let down by the time
again to wrestling. So I've honed it to try and
have it be more. But I mean the one that
has always made me laugh. The two things have always
made me laugh about the people who talk to you
about wrestling and they don't really like it, right, is
the number one they'll go or or like they'll be like, oh,
it's that's so gay, right. I mean, I am gay,
but if I wrestling, if I was watching wrestling, because
I'm pervan on the guys with my favorite like come on.
But then the other one is they'll go, you know,
it's fake, right, And I'm like, do you think do
you think Game of Thrones is real?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Like I don't like any team, well so, but I mean, yeah,
it's it's But I don't know about if you guys,
but you can you kind of have an antenna for
when someone like that is either around or about to
come around, and you can kind of get away from
it most of the time.
Speaker 2: We used to. We used to have a we used
to have a joke when Jack and I were in
college that if if if we were like, if anyone
ever came up to us and said, you know, you know,
wrestling's fake, right, we'd say, oh, no, no, no, it's real.
They changed it. It's real now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but due to
the rise of the UFC in two thousand and five exactly,
WWF made a conscientious decision to not script the outcomes anymore.
So what you see on television is yeah, And we
would hold the We would hold the gag for as
long as we could. Sometimes you'd walk away.
Speaker 3: Did people tend to buy it?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean we do almost always give
up the ghost. I mean at a certain point just
you know, you stare at them uncomfortably for a little
while and then then you have to make them feeling comfortable. Yeah,
would you want to have Kenny? Would you want to
keep talking to someone who gave you that answer?
Speaker 3: Probably? Probably not. It's you know, it's not going to
be talking my list of But like, I don't know
what to say in the US, right, But there's a
job over here that I just think they're just such
fucking wanks job parking attendance, sure, Mike, who I've never
met one of party? Like where do they go to socialize?
Where do those people go? Because they've got the they've
got the most i mean taddletale job in the world.
Like you're you're basically, oh no, you've parked in a
space that you're not supposed to for six minutes. Here's
a fifty pounds. Like where do those virgins go?
Speaker 2: Nowhere?
Speaker 1: They're well, you're at the party, they're out there waiting
to ticket in your car. That's why you don't see
them at parties. Yeah, yeah, we work the meter maids,
although they're they're not always women and things like that.
But yeah, that's that's Uh. There was a whole reality
show about them.
Speaker 3: You never see a park in a tenant who looks
like Randy Orton. I mean, are you no like or
who looks like fucking I don't know, Kelly Kelly.
Speaker 2: Now they're usually they're usually about one twinkie away from
bursting their pants.
Speaker 1: I mean, if they look at Randy Orton frankly, they're
wearing tight black T shirts and telling you you can't
get into the club.
Speaker 3: And then if you, if you, if you're in the
rear moment where you see them right now a ticket,
you can see their boner.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I don't know if you guys every well, I
think I don't know what you do for money and totality,
But I often think about if the wrestling thing dries up,
I don't know what I would do. I don't know where.
I don't know where that is. I'm beached on. This'd
be dog grimming.
Speaker 1: How many, I mean, how many broadcasters have worked for
w w F and don't list it on their resume.
It's like, are you kidding me? Like I'm pretty sure.
Sean Mooney told us that he didn't list his time
at w w F when he left.
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, he said that that's crazy. So like
if you may a national TV like that, global television
and not mention it, that says a lot.
Speaker 3: Or did he or did he initially when he left
mentioned and then he found he wasn't getting any work
and then he took off something like.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, something like that. I know he's not the
only one. He just jumps to mind as someone we've
actually spoken to about it. But let me ask you,
when you're up there with these wrestlers and you and
you have this this game plan right about what you're
going to cover and how you're going to approach it,
that this might be some helpful intel for us as
we prepare the Rogues Gallery for August twenty eighth. Maybe
maybe a story or two, if they exist, I mean,
don't make them up. But were you completely and where
you completely ended up doing a different interview than you expected?
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I don't think there's I don't
think there's ever a show where I've done a completely
different interview than expected. The ones that'spring to mind that
were like I did a show with Carlo shows with
Carlito in January, and he was so lovely, but he
had no stories like he.
Speaker 2: Just looked at you with that phasey man, it's great cold.
Speaker 3: He has no stories, so I had so usually I'll
have three Q cards, right, and on each Q card
is about ten questions or ten topics and I can
kind of like, okay, I might expand on one if
the answer is really good or whatever. But so I
had the same thing with Carlo I based on questions.
We were done in fifty four minutes.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And I had to then like add questions in that
we're going to be for the second show because I'd
ran out because he just had no Because usually wrestlers
they feed off the crowd and they're they're better. I mean,
brutis beefcake, right, this fucker he we were in we
were in London, and like I thought, we treated him
pretty well. He's one of the only wrestlers who has
asked us to buy him like can I can I
have a VOD Coke? Can have a Void Coke? Sure,
it's not a problem, but like rarely the wrestlers for that.
Speaker 2: Did you ever meet Did you ever meet Virgil?
Speaker 3: Yes? I did. I met him at the subway station
in New York comes back.
Speaker 2: He was still we had him asked for a lot
of stuff. Yeah, we we.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, Kenny, but I
actually booked Virgil for JP's bachelor party. Dude, So Virgil
shout up, No, no, we've made more about this. It
absolutely happened. And what was the year now? With twelve twelve?
So he shows up at the cigar bar where.
Speaker 3: We had the thing, and oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: It sits up there.
Speaker 3: You know that photo there's the famous photo from like
Wrestle May in twenty nine weekend of him just sitting
at a table on his own. Yes, of course, yes,
I'm in that photo.
Speaker 2: How are you really the lonely vot?
Speaker 3: Not like the original one, not like the main one.
There was a convention. This isn't like a kind of
hotel suite, you know, like we're like a star cast
type thing would be so other shows, what I say,
one that completely went off the rails. Did I tell
you the Godfather story?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: So the Godfather we were bringing him over in twenty
twenty three, late twenty twenty three we had three shows
planned and because when I was researching him, had syd
been the Steve Austin podcast and he had a couple
of shots to Jack Daniels. So I was like, what
I'll do is all to break the ice. In the
first night, I'll get a bottle of Jack Daniels will
take a shot start the show. So this is like
mid December. I've got a cold, but like not a
nothing debilitating, and I'm just got the sniffles a little bit.
And when I when I'm on stage, you'll see this
in August twenty twenty eight. Why can I not get
twenty eight to my head?
Speaker 2: It's what I'm working on it. I just think eight
and eight eight eight twenty eight.
Speaker 3: But when you'll see me with a double Vodkadyet coking
a pint glass, that's the drink. So I had my
usual vodka because I was like, that'll be fine. And
then he's on stage and he did a pre show
Papa Shangle meet and greet. He's got a post show
Godfather meeting greets. He's on great form. He's really friendly
and hospitable, and you know, a great guy gets on
stage and then fee on her from our team, who
kind of is the talent Li is on with the wrestler.
She came up with the bottle of Jack Daniels. And
also she's sober, which makes this so much worse. So
she walks up, but the bar don't have shot glasses,
so she just brings up to pint sized cups like
lastic cup. So then Godfather opens the bottle of Jack
Daniels and then he he does I mean we're on audio,
so I can't really but he basically kind of like
almost dangles the bottles how much should I put it in?
And the crowd are kind of going, oh, and he
poured a half pint of Jack Daniels, and then he
pours a half pint of Jack Daniels him, And the
thing is to me, it's like challenge accepted. If you're
doing this, I have to do it, Like I'm just
you know, that's that's the gig. I brought the Jack
Daniels up, so I can't really pussy it of it.
So then we down a half pint of Jack Daniels each,
which is probably like six shots of Jack Daniels in
one goal. Maybe yeah. So and because I had the cold,
all of a sudden fel like I've taken a grammical caine,
I was like, yes, ready, to go and in the
first ten minutes were just great, and he's telling stories
and he's having a laugh, and then the Jack Daniels
hits the guy and I realized, oh, he can't handle
his drink even though God started to put it. So
then I mentioned, so I'm going chronologically in his career
and I get to like ninety two and I was like,
you know, you were you were one of the guys
that when Sid left, and you were one of the
heels that's put in the place. You're wrestling Warrior, you're
wrestling Brett. And I mentioned Brett and he bursts into tears,
weeping on stage.
Speaker 2: Do you think said.
Speaker 3: No because me mentioning Brett made him think of owing?
Speaker 2: Got it?
Speaker 3: He is? He is in tears, weeping on the stage,
and I am hammered on Jack Daniels. So I just
look at them and in my mind I was like,
oh God, what because you can't go?
Speaker 2: So, yeah, what do you do?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Like, what's the follow up? So I sat there
for about thirty seconds and then this woman who was
in the front row of Vickiy who comes to a
lot of our shows, she just got up and gave
him a hug, wow, and that pug felt like it
went on for a long time. But anyway, so then
as I tried to keep going, tried to remain professional,
and he was just like, could not keep a sentence together.
He was just like all over the place. But the
crowd were really enjoying it because it was such a
shit show. So then he gets to be at the
end and he starts calling me Kevin out of nowhere.
So then our tech guy got Kevin put up on
the big screens. People start chatting Kevin. Right. These people
are just like, who what do we do here? So
then at the end, and this is night one of
three three nights.
Speaker 2: And then at the end with him three nights with
him three.
Speaker 3: Nights with him consecutively, this is night one. So then
at the end he goes, bring that Jack Daniel's back
up here. So he brings up the other half of
the bottle of Jack Danield's and puts another half pint
in and we both have to drink the other half.
And then he had to be carried down the stairs
by James Storm. They could come along because he was
in town that day.
Speaker 2: It was Chris Harris apparently.
Speaker 3: And and Godfather did the meet and greet downstairs, and
he was so I mean, he wasn't on planet Earth.
But luckily for me, I've found out recently because we
did a show with Delo Brown that this is kind
of the norm. He cannot handle his.
Speaker 2: Anymore fascinating and he did.
Speaker 3: But so we have this like one hour show with
him in Glasgow that's like unusable, Like none of it
can really be because also if you put it out,
it's kind of like your I don't care if you
take the piss out of meat, Well that's fine, but
you can't really take the piss out of talent unforced.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that just that won't sure pay off long time,
even if people get a laugh out of it, like
you can kiss future bookings goodbye. And it's not right.
It's not the right thing to do for somebody.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then the only other example of maybe the
show not going is planned would be like with dug In.
For the first night with dug In, you know, I
did aka show one that I had in my mind,
and then when I started show too that had slightly
different questions. He just would find a way to get
it back to one of his twelve stories. Yeah, and
then he would, and it was like he thought it
was a comedy show, because he apparently does comedy shows
in the US, which I can only imagine how dreadful
they are.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 3: But he so he thought that these were like stand
up shows, and I was like, no, no, it's a career interview.
There's highs and lows. But he just didn't get.
Speaker 2: It, didn't get it.
Speaker 3: And he would he would do a story about you know,
the same story he's done every night, and at the
end you just look at her going, oh, I was
just in my mind be going I want to die.
Speaker 1: Well, let me say right now, as we approach August
twenty eighth at the Dome, you think you've wanted to
die on stage before, Manny, this is.
Speaker 3: No, but you remember this this time. Like usually when
I bring someone over and if it's going badly, I'm
sitting there thinking, you know, there's I was wanting, like
thousands of dollars worth of content of you guys or whatever.
But when it's with this, I'm just there. I'm just there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not at any point.
Speaker 3: No, I mean I am in a deficit to come
to do the show, but that you could.
Speaker 2: Be doing something else like watching television.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know I'm watching. Well, I mean, look,
can you can you imagine if I just get so
annoyed I just go to the toilet. I can.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. That's right. You're you're setting goals, now, Okay,
that's what you're doing. You're setting goals for us.
Speaker 3: You have no idea how many times when I'm doing
live interviews that I need to take a pest and
I don't do it. And I know that. I remember,
I've done the dome before, so I know exactly where
I'm going take a pat.
Speaker 2: If he does.
Speaker 1: If he does, JP, that's on a fair warning, Kenny,
don't be surprised if flaps Jim Barnett follows you to
the loo.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it in front of him,
No way, I'm smarter than that. But yeah, so I'm
looking forward to just not having to to really give
a ship.
Speaker 2: That's question, Kenny. It's Kenny back intash least.
Speaker 3: That's night off love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's a night off. The wrestlers always say
that it's a night off.
Speaker 3: Working with him, it's a night office, and it's easy office.
What the fund.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that will definitely be a night on August
twenty eighth of the Dome. So wrapping up here with
Kenny McIntosh, very excited to collaborate with him and inside
the Ropes when we hit the UK for the first
time the Dome. You've got some experience you hosted Kevin
Nash there recently. Tell our listeners what they can expect
in terms of the venue.
Speaker 3: It's a great It's very laid back. It's kind of
like a it's got the up the upstairs where we're
going to be. It's kind of got like a community
hall type vibe in a good way.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 3: The drinking prices are not that expensive, which in London
is crazy. You're going to be in the city. We're
going to be in the same room where Edge and
I were on stage and we've done too chosen Doublin
and Cork and they went amazing. And then London who
are very quiet crowd, We're so quiet. At the end
of the show, Edge went, did I do something wrong?
Speaker 2: Wow? Wow? You warned us about that.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have to worry about that as
far as lapsed fans are concerned. But yeah, London can
be a little quiet without meaning anything by it. It's
just the nature of the crowd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the end, because they get a lot of stuff
and then one guy in that show and the Edge
show just kept going Devon Dougley.
Speaker 2: That's fine. It's a good point, right, I mean it's
a good point.
Speaker 3: I mean he is the better dudle if you're gonna
pick one extreen But yeah, I'm I'm looking for so,
I mean, if you're if you're in the London area
for all in, you know, this is just gonna be fun.
Sometimes wrestling shows are so hard to get through, Like
lots of wrestling matches like come to something more fun,
like where we're just gonna take this and and you
know say things you probably want to hear these fuckers say, yeah,
this is the best way to spend your money on
all NBK. Actually it's better than it's right.
Speaker 2: Because I mean I can I can tell you that
it will be and no point are you.
Speaker 3: Going to set at no point you're going to set
during the show and go, oh god, there's four hours
to go, but you will all in.
Speaker 2: That dude, don't like, don't come on.
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm dragging him to to Wembley just so
you know, can he So you're you're making this a
lot easier and everybody.
Speaker 3: You need to go to see Shue in Wembley Stadium once.
Speaker 2: Well, that's for sure, that's that's the exciting part. Although
I'd rather go to Royal Albert Hall, but that's just
my weirdness.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's let's get that working guy back here.
Speaker 1: But on the thicker well, I couldn't imagine a better uh,
a better collaborator and a better advertisement for what we're doing.
I mean you heard it from his mouth, uncoached. It's
going to be better than all in so not a
problem for reasons that I think are credible and stand
up to scrutiny. Kenny McIntosh from Inside the Ropes were
very excited. August twenty eighth the Dome in London, the
Coachairs take the stage, as does the Rogues Gallery of
Lapsed Characters, a challenge unlike Kenny McIntosh has ever faced
before and after this interview, we know that that is
saying something. Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 3: Kenny, thank you very much. Now see you on August
twenty ninth, twenty eighth, twenty