1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,919 Speaker 1: All right, folks know by now that it's the Summer 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,160 of Laps and the co Chairs are going to leave 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,400 no stone unturned, no corpse unhandled, as we go to 4 00:00:08,599 --> 00:00:11,439 England for the very first time. It's Friday, August twenty 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,000 eighth at the Dome in North London. Your co Chairs 6 00:00:14,039 --> 00:00:16,079 take the stage for the very first and perhaps final 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,800 Lapsed Fan live for all our fans in the UK. Boss, 8 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:22,800 I know, the juices are certainly flowing. The Worcestershire is flowing, 9 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:24,160 the brown sauce is flowing. 10 00:00:26,199 --> 00:00:29,199 Speaker 2: Lots of juices are flowing, that's for sure, and that's 11 00:00:29,239 --> 00:00:31,559 the only way I like it, honestly, and. 12 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,359 Speaker 1: It's in no small part thanks to our guest at 13 00:00:34,399 --> 00:00:38,200 this time, Kenny Macintosh of Inside the Ropes. I'm sure 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,079 you know Kenny from his Inside the Ropes series where 15 00:00:41,119 --> 00:00:43,840 he takes some of the leading personalities in pro wrestling 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,640 onto the stage for live conversations across the UK. He's 17 00:00:47,679 --> 00:00:49,439 really become a bit of I don't know, Kenny, if 18 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,159 you'll take this analogy the right way, I don't know 19 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,840 the James Lipton of pro wrestling. 20 00:00:54,159 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: Can you countenance that I'll take that? 21 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,679 Speaker 3: I mean, hopefully I do look like Jamie. I mean, 22 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:02,840 I have had some work done, but maybe in like 23 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,200 twenty years, maybe then I'll start to resemble him a 24 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,040 little bit more. But yeah, I'll take that one. 25 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: Do you use the questionnaire from Bernard pi Vau to 26 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:12,680 end every interview? 27 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: If you think any wrestler would understand that reference, then 28 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:19,200 you're giving them a lot more credit than I was. 29 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:21,879 Speaker 2: You after a good start. 30 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: It's hard enough to get a wrestled to remember where 31 00:01:25,519 --> 00:01:30,359 they wrestled or like, you know you will wrestling? Really, yes, 32 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:31,400 you were, I promise you. 33 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,079 Speaker 1: Oh my god, isn't that so amazing? That's part of 34 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:35,599 why we're excited to talk to you, not just to 35 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,239 point folks towards what they can expect on August twenty 36 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,840 eighth in North London, but also just your experience interviewing 37 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,680 these wrestlers, because we've dipped our tone in a little 38 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,879 bit though we're not an interview show per se. And 39 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,799 my god, Kenny, sometimes you're literally like you're literally telling 40 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,000 them what they did in the ring because you want 41 00:01:52,239 --> 00:01:54,640 the match that you remember as significant as to be 42 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,799 significant to them. And my god, could they care less 43 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,359 about that one match versus a thousand others. 44 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was talking to somebody about this 45 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,040 recently where I said that, And I don't tend to 46 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:08,039 blow smoke up my own arse as much as I 47 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,400 probably should more. But I think maybe maybe about two 48 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:14,039 years ago, I think I became a really good interviewer, 49 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,240 and I think before that, I think I was kind 50 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,680 of just lucky that, like, if somebody was good, then 51 00:02:18,719 --> 00:02:20,400 I got a good interview out of them. And I 52 00:02:20,479 --> 00:02:22,240 think one of the things that I've learned the last 53 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,639 two years is that I'll give an example. So we 54 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,759 did two tours back to back in March of twenty 55 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:31,879 twenty five with Jim Duggan and then with Ted Dboss, 56 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,120 and the stuff that I was really interested in to 57 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:37,919 talk to them about was like them being in WCW, 58 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:41,479 you know, Dbosc being in a nWo, or like dug 59 00:02:41,479 --> 00:02:44,080 In trying to like be relevant in nineteen ninety eight 60 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,599 and WCW. What I realized is for guys like that 61 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,520 who've been around forever, they don't remember any of it, 62 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,319 like as in the WCW stuff, they remember the big 63 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:56,719 stuff from WWF and that's kind of it. So a 64 00:02:56,759 --> 00:02:58,120 lot of times, you know, the bit that you would 65 00:02:58,159 --> 00:03:01,120 find really fascinating. It's just they just don't have anything 66 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,439 to say about it. And I remember I booked Teddy 67 00:03:03,439 --> 00:03:06,039 Baussi and I was like, it's fine, he's got a podcast. 68 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,439 I'll just listen to the podcast and see. And I mean, 69 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:11,319 I don't know if you've listened to that podcast. Dominic Dangel 70 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,680 does a really good job. I want to put that 71 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,319 there first, but like, there'll be an episode on like 72 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:18,639 Summer Slam ninety and I thought this could be good. 73 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,080 You know, it's the show where he bought Sapphire. You know, 74 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,599 maybe there was some stuff going on with holding on 75 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:27,639 Earth Quaite Warrior. It was Champ and the Dominic's throwing 76 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,919 them all this stuff, and it's like he just doesn't 77 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,360 really have much to say about it. So you've got 78 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,240 this kind of forty minute episode which is kind of 79 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,719 on nothing, and I'm like, I've got three shows with 80 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:41,319 this guy, and I'm going to have to because what 81 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,800 I used to do was I would kind of try 82 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,800 to do a version of the same show in every city. 83 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,639 Now what I really like to do is try and 84 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:50,199 do different shows because essentially you are going to like 85 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,759 a live taping of Inside the Ropes interviews now or 86 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,719 like Brutuce Beefcake. We diding it with Brutis Beefcake in 87 00:03:57,759 --> 00:03:59,759 October twenty twenty four and he'd written a book and 88 00:03:59,759 --> 00:04:02,319 I'd read the book cover to cover, and I sort 89 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,120 of made sure that a lot of my questions were 90 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:06,960 about stuff in the book, and I would throw to 91 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:09,840 him for a story and I'm halfway through be like, oh, 92 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:11,840 you don't fucking remember any of this either. Somebody wrote 93 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,240 it for you. You must be given like two sentences and 94 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:17,720 that's been turned into two pages. 95 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: It is. 96 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: It's so distressing to realize that, like now, the answer 97 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,079 you can find to that question is the answer you're 98 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,959 going to get, no matter how well researched your question. 99 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:30,879 That's about all they've got on that topic, and that's 100 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:31,399 all you're. 101 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: Going to get. 102 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: I am. I've never said this publicly before, but I 103 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,680 don't mind saying it here. So I I am a 104 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:41,519 hyperconjact right, and by personality, i'm hyperconjract. If somebody says 105 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:43,720 the word cancer, I think I have it. It's just 106 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:49,319 so about a year and a half ago, I was realizing, like, 107 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:52,000 and I don't know what your guys memories are like, 108 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,839 but I would love to be one of these people 109 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,199 who had this big, photogenic memory and they can remember 110 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,800 every detail of everything. I'm just not like that. I 111 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,360 can remember some stuff really vividly. Some stuff people be like, oh, 112 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,600 do you remember you did this on this tour, and 113 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,480 I was like, nope, no, no idea. So I decided 114 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,160 to go to therapy because I thought I was losing 115 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:13,120 my mind, losing my memory. So I go to therapy 116 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,399 and we unpat childhood and we do all the usual 117 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:18,759 stuff that you do, and then about six sessions in, 118 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,360 she turned around to me. She said, I think I 119 00:05:21,879 --> 00:05:23,439 know you well enough now to say this. She'said, the 120 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,879 problem is you want to have this amazing memory, and 121 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,480 the problem is you kind of just have a bang 122 00:05:29,519 --> 00:05:33,120 average memory. And that was one of the most hurtful 123 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,279 things I've ever been told, because you know, there's all 124 00:05:36,319 --> 00:05:38,680 this stuff, like you know, I've talked to wrestlers before 125 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,240 and they've given me, like, you know, probably snippets of 126 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,800 stuff behind the scenes, and I've thought it was really 127 00:05:43,879 --> 00:05:45,680 interesting at the time, But do I remember at fifteen 128 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:46,399 years later. 129 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: No, So. 130 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: I do kind of what's the word sympathize with wrestlers 131 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,000 who don't necessarily remember all the big stuff. But you 132 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,920 I would like to think that if my memory was jogged, 133 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:00,439 yea would. 134 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: At least yes something well, I mean and further to 135 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,160 the point, I mean, shouldn't there be a difference between 136 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:07,199 an aside, a wrestler says to you in a one 137 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,560 to one conversation or a one too many conversation on 138 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,079 a stage somewhere with you know, you know, one hundred 139 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:15,480 people in the audience versus like you were there were 140 00:06:15,519 --> 00:06:18,399 like ten thousand people in the arena and you were 141 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:21,160 out there like showing out, Like, how does how does 142 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,199 the adrenaline rush alone not lodge itself in your memory? 143 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,319 Speaker 3: Well, I assume a lot of it has got to 144 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:29,720 do with like I don't know how much you guys drink, 145 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:32,000 like because I can put them back, right I can. 146 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. 147 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:35,399 Speaker 1: Just just you know, when Kenny helps us out on stage, 148 00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:37,319 you'll have to forgive him if if he's a little loose. 149 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,839 I've given him full permission to bring that element to 150 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,639 his performance. You're gonna you're gonna need it when talking 151 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:45,199 to us, that's for sure. And our robes gallery. 152 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,199 Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm getting into, so I'm you 153 00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:51,040 know who knows what's gonna happen. I'm going in Blaine. 154 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,040 I'm going to bear back and this one for the 155 00:06:54,519 --> 00:06:54,920 the way. 156 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: We like it. 157 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't plan on handing out condoms at the door. 158 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,240 I'm like prior shows. 159 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:01,439 Speaker 3: No, no, that's what I usually do. You know, you 160 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:02,720 come see Brits beef kite. 161 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:07,319 Speaker 2: Masks. 162 00:07:07,399 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think I think because a lot of 163 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,160 the wrestlers and theaties took so many drugs that you know, 164 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,000 and I do get the older I've gotten, the more 165 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,680 I kind of I'm sympathetic to them, but I do 166 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:22,399 think it's like just make something up. 167 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,079 Speaker 3: You're just like, yeah, play along in some way, and 168 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,879 you know, that's the most disappointing interviews are the ones 169 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:32,879 like so with Dugan as an example, he was a 170 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,040 great guy, really nice, really fun, but he basically had 171 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,680 twelve stories and that's all. That's all. That's what I mean, 172 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:42,240 and that's what you're going to get. And it's like 173 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:45,319 it's just not really that not that's not too is 174 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,399 interesting enough for me. Whereas you know, we were we 175 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:53,120 did a show ten days ago with Rhino in Glasgow. 176 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,800 He was great and he was like telling us about 177 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,079 like a backstage fight with the Sandman and New Jack, 178 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,120 and he remembered the town they were in, and you know, 179 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:03,360 he could still vividly tell you the story. But when 180 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:05,600 Vince McMahon came out to stop his match with Tajeri 181 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,759 in two thousy and two, he could vividly tell you 182 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:12,600 about being at the building the night before wrestling at 183 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,319 seventeen when they're going over the TLC match and he's 184 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,000 so tired he starts falling asleep, like it rings like 185 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:21,199 he's not really there, Like he's not really there for 186 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,720 a reason at this point, He's just kind of like, 187 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,920 you know, sitting around. So when those kind of stories 188 00:08:25,959 --> 00:08:28,680 come out, you get really kind of invigorated. So God 189 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,040 fucking knows what I'm going to have to put up 190 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,720 with on August the What. 191 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 2: There's that memory again? 192 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,919 Speaker 3: Fell I'm kidding, I know, but I've said this to Jack. 193 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:46,440 I've I am deliberately not looking at a thing. I 194 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:50,000 want to go into this and be as surprised as 195 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:52,399 everyone else, But no, they're not going to be. I'm 196 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:54,440 going to be the only one in the room surprised. 197 00:08:54,759 --> 00:08:59,519 Everybody else is going to be like something. It's like 198 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:03,320 a Stockholm syndrome or a temperature because everything's going to 199 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,240 be like, actually, this is totally normal, and then I've 200 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,919 got a set there and contemplate my life choices. But 201 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:10,720 I'm looking forward to that. 202 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,519 Speaker 2: That's most of our fans. I think we keep most 203 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:14,120 of our fans hostage. That's kind of the way we 204 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,200 do it. So it works. 205 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: Good consents optional as we know. 206 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,879 Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, it goes without saying hopefully so great stuff. 207 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 2: Yes, so we will. 208 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: We will refrain then because you've now sufficiently electrified me, 209 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:31,120 Candy at the possibility of you having absolutely no idea 210 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,600 what you're going to hear. We will spare you in 211 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:37,279 in orientation to some of the characters, which I was 212 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,840 wondering should we should we not? But uh, I think 213 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:40,960 we'll defer on that one. 214 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: I think it's more fun not to because because if 215 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,559 you the more the more comfortable, I'm going to be 216 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,840 the easier the shows, and I feel this is one 217 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:50,840 that shouldn't be easy for me. 218 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:52,519 Speaker 1: Of course, you talk right, so your history and the 219 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:55,519 making here listeners, you are witnessing a live audible being 220 00:09:55,519 --> 00:09:58,200 called we will leave Kenny in the dark. So, because 221 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,480 it's already going really well in terms of the things. 222 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 2: I'm turning the guy. You gotta go away. Guys, you can't, no, no, 223 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:10,519 get out of here. Vince is like, hey, well I 224 00:10:10,519 --> 00:10:12,440 heard he's a hypochondriac. 225 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 3: For the guy. 226 00:10:14,759 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: No no, no, Later, like. 227 00:10:18,759 --> 00:10:21,039 Speaker 3: I did, I think we can peel the curtain back 228 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:23,399 a little bit. Talking to a couple of weeks ago, 229 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:31,000 and we were talking without Vince Ristle. And but I 230 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,559 don't know how many I don't know how many people. 231 00:10:32,879 --> 00:10:34,840 I mean, I was talking about the real vents Rustle. 232 00:10:34,919 --> 00:10:36,279 Speaker 2: No, this is great, please tell the story. 233 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, but so my history with Vince Ristl probably the 234 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,960 title of a you know, PTSD play. But the so 235 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,840 a couple of years ago, we've get Inside the Ros magazine. 236 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:49,480 It's a magazine. Unfortunately we can't get a distribution deal 237 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,399 in the US. It's too difficult. You can buy it 238 00:10:51,759 --> 00:10:53,919 at our website, Inside the Rose Magazine dot com. Keep 239 00:10:53,919 --> 00:10:59,159 print media alive. It's really good. But I so, anyway, 240 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,600 a couple of years ago, Finley Martin, who used to 241 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,279 write Power Slam Magazine, which was basically the Observer of 242 00:11:04,279 --> 00:11:07,759 the UK for you know, from nineteen ninety four to 243 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:10,919 twenty fourteen, he was was intrigued at the idea of 244 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,039 interviewing Russo. So I set it up, and before that, 245 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:20,360 somebody who is actually on WTV right now had messaged 246 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:24,799 me maybe twenty fifteen. Sorry I'm jumping already. I interviewed 247 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:27,639 Russo in twenty twelve myself when he just left TNA. 248 00:11:27,759 --> 00:11:30,360 I paid for the interview, so I don't regret it. 249 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:34,679 I paid two hundred and fifty dollars. But actually it 250 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,639 put us on the map because at that point there 251 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:40,559 were no wrestler podcasts. Loads of places picked up the interviews, 252 00:11:40,919 --> 00:11:43,039 loads of people got to know what Inside the Ropes 253 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:45,159 was because of it. So I have no regrets about that. 254 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,399 And I had a good, quite a good experience with him. 255 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,120 I thought he was a decent enough guy. I mean, 256 00:11:51,159 --> 00:11:54,320 I am friends with Jim Cornett, so my good feelings 257 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,879 towards them only go so far. So then it comes 258 00:11:57,879 --> 00:12:00,440 to twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and by this point Russo 259 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,000 has done more interviews. I mean he's I mean that 260 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,159 first god awful book that he did where it was 261 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,320 like basically a forgiven Yeah, well, I don't forgive him 262 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,440 for that book because there's like a path of that 263 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,840 of him talking about oh you know I used to 264 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:19,120 fuck these broads and you know they were skanks, and 265 00:12:19,159 --> 00:12:21,679 then and then in italics, it would be like God 266 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:25,279 taught me that women are beautiful, and every single thing 267 00:12:25,399 --> 00:12:27,440 was like, you can't, you can't. You can't just call 268 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:29,200 someone a whore and then say sorry in the next 269 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,960 sentence It's not that's not it works. 270 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: Oh he can't, Like oh he can't. Is that right? 271 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 3: It's like the modern day thing. And I know people 272 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,840 who are listening to this know what I'm talking about, right, 273 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,399 the people who are dicks to you, and then blame 274 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,600 it on being neuro divergent. No, no, no, no no. 275 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:47,799 We've all got neurodiversion people in our life. Someone's our 276 00:12:47,879 --> 00:12:50,440 new neurodiversion, whatever it is, but we don't use it 277 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,960 as an excuse. So Russell was using all that stuff 278 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,080 as the excuse in his first book. By twenty fifteen, 279 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,919 twenty sixteen, somebody who's on WTV, he came to me 280 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,679 and said, would you be interesting be doing a live 281 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:06,159 show the trial of Vince Russo? And I said absolutely not. Why, 282 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,240 I said, because he would argue with facts yea, And 283 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,799 like then I'm going to start shouting at him. And 284 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,039 I know I end up walking off the stage. And 285 00:13:15,639 --> 00:13:19,240 as we mentioned earlier, I don't expect it's not a 286 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,879 prerecordit that you need to be honest with me in 287 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:23,559 an interview. I know that wrestler's bullshit, that's totally fine. 288 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,000 But you know, I'll use Eric Bischoff as an example. 289 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,159 We've done shows with him and he is absolutely up 290 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:30,759 for taking the piss out of himself. He's up for 291 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:33,600 dissecting some stuff. Is he telling me the truth one 292 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,279 hundred scent of the time. Probably not, but it's a performance, 293 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:39,120 so you know, get over it. But with Russo, he 294 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:44,120 just he's not willing to take any criticism of himself. 295 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,360 So fast out to twenty twenty three, Finn Martin has 296 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,000 got all these questions set up for him, and they 297 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,360 start off by talking about the recent Bloodline storyline with 298 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:59,320 sammy' zain and Roman Reigns, and Finn was asking Russell 299 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,919 if he'd watched it. Russell said no, and RUSSELLO basically 300 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,720 said it's not as good as it was in nineteen 301 00:14:04,759 --> 00:14:07,200 ninety nine or something to that effect, and then Finn 302 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,559 was because saying, well, you know, the ratings can't be 303 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,720 the same because how you consume entertainment is different. Long 304 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,600 story short, Russo refused to move on until Finn agreed 305 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:16,639 with him. 306 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,919 Speaker 2: Right right, you have to question the premise, right right. 307 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. So Finn then refused to do so, like in 308 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,919 a polite way, and Russell hung up the zoom call 309 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,960 after so we we've course published the interview because if 310 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,879 you're going to be a petulant child, then we should 311 00:14:32,919 --> 00:14:37,120 we should publish it, agreed. So then so then, like 312 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:40,120 he blocked me on Twitter last year because I think 313 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,679 I said something which was totally fair, like you don't 314 00:14:42,679 --> 00:14:44,480 get a life or whatever it was I said, because 315 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,320 he was like banging on about fucking May nineteen night 316 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,000 and nine rows. And I know that all of us 317 00:14:49,559 --> 00:14:51,279 that we love our own reresson that's what we kind 318 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:55,639 of live for. But like we're aware of realism and 319 00:14:55,679 --> 00:14:58,480 that you can't compare today to then for a variety 320 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:01,879 of reasons. So he blocked me on Twitter. And then 321 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,080 one of the people involved with JCW that he's now 322 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,960 working with reached out to me and said, would you 323 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,399 be up front of you and Vince Russo And I said, okay, sure, 324 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,799 I mean he has me blocked on Twitter and I'm 325 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,240 not gonna roll over for him. He said, no, No, Russell 326 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,240 is fine, he accepts it, he's happy to he's happy 327 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:22,320 to do it. I said, okay, fine, and we did 328 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,480 the interview and I decided about ten minutes and I'm 329 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,519 not gonna do a shouting match with him. So there 330 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:31,799 was points where, like I said, to and I might 331 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:33,039 be rambling too long, to cut me off. 332 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,279 Speaker 2: Please start. 333 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: So one of the things I was asking about was, 334 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,759 you know, looking back now twenty twenty six eyes, is 335 00:15:40,799 --> 00:15:43,039 there anything that you wrote in the actualdea that you 336 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,799 would not write today? Right, Which is an interesting question, 337 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,240 and you know he could answer. However, he once and 338 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,600 he said I didn't write anything risky. I said, okay, 339 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,919 and he said, give me an example. He said that, 340 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,879 he said that, yeah, he said he didn't write anything risky, 341 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:03,320 and I said, okay. Some examples are Hawk's drug issue, 342 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:05,559 where you know there was the top of the Tron 343 00:16:05,679 --> 00:16:09,399 issue in November ninety eight. That's an issue, Mark Henry 344 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:13,320 feeling up, Sammy who turned out to be a trans person, 345 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,559 and Terry Runnald's miscarriage. That was my three examples. So 346 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,440 he didn't accept that. He didn't even bring up the 347 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,840 Hawk drug one, but he said the thing is bro. 348 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:30,159 Because he said the thing is bro, Terry wasn't really pregnant. 349 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,279 I was like, no, COLUMBI I get it. I don't. 350 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,279 It's not that it's so nuanced that I don't understand it, 351 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,679 like that He's going, she's not really prigging. I was like, 352 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:43,840 I know, but don't you think that people watching a 353 00:16:43,879 --> 00:16:44,559 wrestling show. 354 00:16:46,799 --> 00:16:48,519 Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think I need to. 355 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:52,559 Speaker 3: You're you're you're fine because so so it got to 356 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:55,320 the point where I'm going, yeah, but people have a miscarriage, 357 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,840 was going she wasn't pregnant, bro. 358 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: And I was like, in se so, and now she 359 00:17:01,559 --> 00:17:03,399 was she had a miscarriage. I mean, that's kind of 360 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:04,440 a crude way to put it. 361 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,319 Speaker 3: So the whole thing went down the way they went down, 362 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:11,079 and you know, the interview we published it. I think 363 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,480 it was a decent enough interview. But I did the 364 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,440 long road I've got around there was I just wouldn't 365 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,640 do anything with Vince Russol, the man from Colorado, on stage, 366 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,720 because he's not like when I was interviewing him, he 367 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:26,680 was listening for every word that I said, and he 368 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,880 would interrupt me and like correct me on something like 369 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,359 So I would say, you're a conversation with Vince mcmaan 370 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,880 October of ninety nine, and basically, you know it was 371 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,519 done because he said to you to get an Annie 372 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:40,480 and he was like, no, no, it wasn't done. I 373 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:43,759 decided it was done. I was like, semantics is the 374 00:17:43,759 --> 00:17:49,400 same thing. So I would never do it. But this August, 375 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,240 when Vince Russo approaches me on stage, it's like my 376 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,480 one time in my life where I don't have to 377 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,680 keep the professional halt. Ye, and I'm going to Frost 378 00:18:01,759 --> 00:18:03,559 next in that Motherfuckerly. 379 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,599 Speaker 2: It is Frost Nickson. Let's go. 380 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:08,519 Speaker 1: I can hear those hands rubbing together because it's not 381 00:18:08,599 --> 00:18:12,079 a game. Yes, So, I mean, what's tremendous is I think? 382 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,440 Maybe run into this, Kenny. I have kind of a thesis. 383 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,119 You might disagree, and you have a lot more experience 384 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,400 to disagree with it. But when you talk about the 385 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,200 difference between a dug and his recall or a DeBiase 386 00:18:20,319 --> 00:18:23,240 in his recall and someone of Russo's generation as well 387 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:25,079 as his ILK, I mean, frankly, the guy was a writer, 388 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,200 a broadcaster. You know, it's it's perhaps less surprising that 389 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,200 people with that background would quibble on semantics than a 390 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,400 performer per se. But I think in general, and mentioned 391 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,200 Rhino too, if you grew up in the era of 392 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,400 the shoot interview, if you came up in the business 393 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,200 when the shoot interview was a thing, it was a 394 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:43,440 vein that you realized you could tap at some point 395 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,079 in your career, and so there was actually currency in 396 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,119 remembering these stories and being able to tell these stories 397 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,079 and knowing that at some point there's a platform to 398 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:53,839 I don't know, for lack of a better term, sell 399 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,400 these stories and know that part of your value as 400 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,160 a wrestler is your ability to tell stories too in 401 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,400 the shoot interview that. 402 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I think I think there is something 403 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,039 to that for sure. I mean I think there are 404 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,519 just some people who just are not going to remember 405 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:09,000 stuff regardless, but there's definitely something to it. And I 406 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,720 think that with Russell. What's so frustrating is look at 407 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:15,240 how much success Bishoff has had with eighty three Weeks, Right, 408 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:18,759 They've done live shows, he's he's toured the world with that. 409 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,480 The podcast is still going and has you know, I 410 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,960 think it's called like hundreds of thousands of listeners like 411 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,079 it's like a big podcast Russo. What's most annoying is 412 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,119 I think, deep down he is a likable guy, but 413 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,480 he's just such a butt heart idiot and the way 414 00:19:35,519 --> 00:19:38,920 he comes across there's so much money he's leaving on 415 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,759 the table so much because you know the Russo brand. 416 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:46,119 When when you're when the guy you go to to 417 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,839 team up with is the coach, there's a problem. 418 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: I think part of what stresses a lot of people 419 00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:58,359 out on that side is that they have this like 420 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,039 duality where they have to ten that they're not constantly 421 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,039 monitoring every word that's said about them on social media 422 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,480 because that's sort of sad, But at the same time 423 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:11,480 they have to counteract and counter when they get a 424 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:13,400 microphone in front of him everything that's said. I think 425 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,880 I think Triple H struggles with this as well, Like 426 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,119 he doesn't he doesn't want you to know that he basically, 427 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,160 my opinion, is obsessively crawls social media for a reaction 428 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,440 to anything he does, says. 429 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:26,759 Speaker 2: Or books. 430 00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: But when he gets in front of the mic, you 431 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,119 can tell he's heard it all and he's trying to 432 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:31,759 assuage the things he's read. 433 00:20:31,799 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 3: Well. 434 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,839 Speaker 1: At the same time having to pretend to be above 435 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:35,079 it all. That's got to be stressful. 436 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,039 Speaker 3: It's like the idea of if you know, when you're 437 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:40,640 in high school or college or whatever, and you really 438 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:44,799 like are into someone, but like you would never dare 439 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,039 let them know when you're in the company, good analogy, 440 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:49,599 you'll be like, you know, you'd almost be ride to 441 00:20:49,599 --> 00:20:51,440 them because you would not never want them to know 442 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,799 that you know you're jacking off to them that night 443 00:20:53,839 --> 00:20:58,640 or whatever. And that's that triple H looks down on 444 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,319 the internet. Bejack's off over it and Russell is the same, 445 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,519 and yeah, it's it's it's a shame. It's because you know, 446 00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:08,599 to me, I'm I'm honest to a fault in most 447 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:11,079 things that I do. And I just think it's more 448 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:14,880 I relate to people who are more honest, and you 449 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,920 don't need to be totally honest, but be honest enough 450 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,119 that people are getting what they want out of it 451 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,000 and it's entertaining. But ye, Russo is just he because 452 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,839 I think Finn actually asked him in the eight minutes 453 00:21:25,839 --> 00:21:28,720 that they had together, you know, why don't you if 454 00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:30,480 you don't like wrestling, why don't you go and do 455 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:32,720 something else? And he was like, what am I going 456 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:34,559 to do at sixty two? It's like, so we're fucking 457 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:37,079 stuck with you because you can't figure something else. 458 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,319 Speaker 1: Well, that's yeah, that's kind of what I mean. That's 459 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,160 the that's the you have to pretend you're above it all. 460 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,400 Apart when he says that about hating wrestling, yet here 461 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,000 he is, you know, he doesn't like I guarantee. 462 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:48,559 Speaker 3: You if Vince Russell went to like a college near 463 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,200 and this is not a joke and this is not 464 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,000 me doing a bit right, but he went to a 465 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:54,160 college in the town he lives in, and he was like, 466 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,799 you know what, I want to become a dog groomer. 467 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,000 I want to you know, have have a business where 468 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:01,720 people bring their dogs and I cut their hair. And 469 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,319 he would have a very fruitful life. It would be 470 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,599 just all puppies and nice dogs, and he'd be praised 471 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,960 for what he does and he'd probably learn about the 472 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,920 same amount money as he does for his Patreon. So like, 473 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,119 you're you're you're choosing the hateful life. 474 00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: That's a good point. 475 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: Like I would be exhausted, Like if you hate something 476 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,559 that much, or you are you you're so but hurt 477 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:26,759 about it like every day having to deal with that. 478 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 2: I just mean, I mean, I don't know. To me, 479 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,000 that also kind of that that that that to me 480 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,799 is a is also kind of like a symptom of 481 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,279 the business as a whole, where you need this attention, 482 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,359 you need this kind of reaction where it doesn't matter 483 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,680 how bad it is for you, you're like no, no, no, I 484 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,680 still need this, Like yeah, he gets that attention. 485 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 3: And it's like like, look, I think you know the 486 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,079 three of us can truly agree as much as you 487 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,599 know we would if if the three of us had 488 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:53,720 to not do anything to do with wrestling anymore, we 489 00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:57,920 would miss it very much, right, we Right. But at 490 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,359 the same time, I'm sure if it was like causing 491 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,240 is that much fucking turmoil all the time? Like you 492 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,559 know what, it's probably bear in the past, left in 493 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:06,960 the past. 494 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought of something. 495 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: We got to ask you on that front, because we 496 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,559 always joke Kenny about how if we're asked at a 497 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:17,400 at a cookout or in a social sense what we 498 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,720 do for the podcast and what it's about. I mean, 499 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,839 at that, we immediately retreat to the corner. Let me 500 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,240 let me tell you, let me tell you this is. 501 00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:29,960 This is what usually happens. So usually i'm I'm in 502 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,279 a thing and people say, oh, you know, what do 503 00:23:31,319 --> 00:23:32,279 you what do you do? 504 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:32,559 Speaker 4: Oh? 505 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,079 Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm I'm I'm an actor. I'm a podcaster. 506 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,119 And they're like, oh, you do a podcast? What is it? Uh? Well, 507 00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:43,240 well you know we we do we do a podcast 508 00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:47,640 about sports and entertainment. Oh oh that's what more entertainment 509 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,680 than sports? But well, what do you what do you know, 510 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,440 what do you what do you kind of what kind 511 00:23:51,440 --> 00:24:00,319 of sports entertainment? Well? We do we do professional wrestling, oh, 512 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,119 partnership farture. And then I have to and then I yeah, seriously, 513 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,200 and then I have to, like, I have to rationalize 514 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,079 if by talking about how smart Jack is and stuff 515 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,839 get in there doing the whole thing. 516 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's someone who can no but you know, but 517 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:15,519 you know. 518 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,279 Speaker 2: This, but he's a you know, he's a reporter, and 519 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:23,400 so so here's those research. I swear there's research. 520 00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: So my question for you, Kenny, how do you answer 521 00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:28,440 that question in polite company? 522 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 3: It's it's even worse for me because I don't like 523 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,400 so podcast. It is probably the least thing that I do, right, 524 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,880 I would actually like to. I would like and I'm 525 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,799 not trying to fish for a job here. There's one 526 00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:41,720 going up with my name in But I would like 527 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:44,480 to do more podcasting, right I would. I really enjoy it, 528 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:46,079 but I just you know, I do. I do a 529 00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:47,880 bet on modern wrestling. I think i'd probably like to 530 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,599 do some stuff on all the wrestling, but I don't 531 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,960 do enough or make enough money from podcasting. I feel 532 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,039 it for me to really say that podcasting is my job, 533 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,920 but then all the stuff I do do it's difficult. 534 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:06,240 So my go to usually is, well, I'll go, do 535 00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:08,119 you ever this is this is the exact thing. I'll go, 536 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,640 did you ever watch wrestling when you were younger? Oh? Yeah, 537 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,319 I remember that. Well, I work. I work in that, 538 00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:16,200 and I've got my spiel down because the way I 539 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,640 say it is impressive, so you can't really fuck with 540 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,319 me when I say it. I go, oh, yeah, you know, 541 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,480 we've got we've got a YouTube channel where I do interviews. 542 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,240 It's got over four hundred thousand subscribers. 543 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I put the number in there. Let's say 544 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:28,319 think exactly. 545 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. You got to get the dick sides 546 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,960 in there. And then and then I say, the big 547 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:34,920 kind of Barnes and Nobles store in the UK is 548 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,079 called w H. Smith, So I'll say, we've got a 549 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,160 magazine in w H Smith. And then I do live 550 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,039 events around the UK where I tour with the wrestlers 551 00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:45,000 and do Q and a's and meet and greets and like, 552 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,039 even if you don't like wrestling, you can't. You kind 553 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,480 of have to go fair. That's pretty that's pretty good. 554 00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: So at least you leave the base and like some 555 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,960 other podcasters. 556 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,799 Speaker 3: Because I've tried, I used to try going like events 557 00:25:55,839 --> 00:25:57,559 promoter and they're like, oh, what kind of events? And 558 00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:00,880 then it's like we're so let down by the time 559 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:06,519 again to wrestling. So I've honed it to try and 560 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:10,400 have it be more. But I mean the one that 561 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,559 has always made me laugh. The two things have always 562 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,599 made me laugh about the people who talk to you 563 00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:17,079 about wrestling and they don't really like it, right, is 564 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,200 the number one they'll go or or like they'll be like, oh, 565 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,480 it's that's so gay, right. I mean, I am gay, 566 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,799 but if I wrestling, if I was watching wrestling, because 567 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:33,680 I'm pervan on the guys with my favorite like come on. 568 00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:36,160 But then the other one is they'll go, you know, 569 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,839 it's fake, right, And I'm like, do you think do 570 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,480 you think Game of Thrones is real? 571 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:41,599 Speaker 2: Yes? 572 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 3: Like I don't like any team, well so, but I mean, yeah, 573 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,440 it's it's But I don't know about if you guys, 574 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,799 but you can you kind of have an antenna for 575 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,079 when someone like that is either around or about to 576 00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:57,680 come around, and you can kind of get away from 577 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,559 it most of the time. 578 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: We used to. We used to have a we used 579 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,519 to have a joke when Jack and I were in 580 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,240 college that if if if we were like, if anyone 581 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:06,759 ever came up to us and said, you know, you know, 582 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:09,440 wrestling's fake, right, we'd say, oh, no, no, no, it's real. 583 00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:10,720 They changed it. It's real now. 584 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but due to 585 00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:16,599 the rise of the UFC in two thousand and five exactly, 586 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,039 WWF made a conscientious decision to not script the outcomes anymore. 587 00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:23,440 So what you see on television is yeah, And we 588 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,160 would hold the We would hold the gag for as 589 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,960 long as we could. Sometimes you'd walk away. 590 00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: Did people tend to buy it? 591 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean we do almost always give 592 00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:34,200 up the ghost. I mean at a certain point just 593 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:36,119 you know, you stare at them uncomfortably for a little 594 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,640 while and then then you have to make them feeling comfortable. Yeah, 595 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,160 would you want to have Kenny? Would you want to 596 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,720 keep talking to someone who gave you that answer? 597 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,559 Speaker 3: Probably? Probably not. It's you know, it's not going to 598 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,200 be talking my list of But like, I don't know 599 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,559 what to say in the US, right, But there's a 600 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,119 job over here that I just think they're just such 601 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:59,440 fucking wanks job parking attendance, sure, Mike, who I've never 602 00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:03,400 met one of party? Like where do they go to socialize? 603 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,559 Where do those people go? Because they've got the they've 604 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:10,759 got the most i mean taddletale job in the world. 605 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,960 Like you're you're basically, oh no, you've parked in a 606 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,200 space that you're not supposed to for six minutes. Here's 607 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,599 a fifty pounds. Like where do those virgins go? 608 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 2: Nowhere? 609 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: They're well, you're at the party, they're out there waiting 610 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,559 to ticket in your car. That's why you don't see 611 00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:28,640 them at parties. Yeah, yeah, we work the meter maids, 612 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,759 although they're they're not always women and things like that. 613 00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:34,079 But yeah, that's that's Uh. There was a whole reality 614 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,279 show about them. 615 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,039 Speaker 3: You never see a park in a tenant who looks 616 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:40,359 like Randy Orton. I mean, are you no like or 617 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,480 who looks like fucking I don't know, Kelly Kelly. 618 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:46,319 Speaker 2: Now they're usually they're usually about one twinkie away from 619 00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:47,480 bursting their pants. 620 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean, if they look at Randy Orton frankly, they're 621 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,759 wearing tight black T shirts and telling you you can't 622 00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:54,480 get into the club. 623 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: And then if you, if you, if you're in the 624 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,559 rear moment where you see them right now a ticket, 625 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,839 you can see their boner. 626 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,279 Speaker 2: Oh god. 627 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,559 Speaker 3: Sometimes I don't know if you guys every well, I 628 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,359 think I don't know what you do for money and totality, 629 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,720 But I often think about if the wrestling thing dries up, 630 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:17,319 I don't know what I would do. I don't know where. 631 00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:22,039 I don't know where that is. I'm beached on. This'd 632 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:22,680 be dog grimming. 633 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: How many, I mean, how many broadcasters have worked for 634 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:26,519 w w F and don't list it on their resume. 635 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:29,559 It's like, are you kidding me? Like I'm pretty sure. 636 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,440 Sean Mooney told us that he didn't list his time 637 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,039 at w w F when he left. 638 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, he said that that's crazy. So like 639 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,920 if you may a national TV like that, global television 640 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,559 and not mention it, that says a lot. 641 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 3: Or did he or did he initially when he left 642 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,440 mentioned and then he found he wasn't getting any work 643 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,039 and then he took off something like. 644 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: That, Yeah, something like that. I know he's not the 645 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,160 only one. He just jumps to mind as someone we've 646 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,319 actually spoken to about it. But let me ask you, 647 00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:01,039 when you're up there with these wrestlers and you and 648 00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:04,599 you have this this game plan right about what you're 649 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,839 going to cover and how you're going to approach it, 650 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,839 that this might be some helpful intel for us as 651 00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,519 we prepare the Rogues Gallery for August twenty eighth. Maybe 652 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,880 maybe a story or two, if they exist, I mean, 653 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,960 don't make them up. But were you completely and where 654 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,680 you completely ended up doing a different interview than you expected? 655 00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 3: That's a good question. I don't think there's I don't 656 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,680 think there's ever a show where I've done a completely 657 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,240 different interview than expected. The ones that'spring to mind that 658 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,240 were like I did a show with Carlo shows with 659 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:36,480 Carlito in January, and he was so lovely, but he 660 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:39,880 had no stories like he. 661 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 2: Just looked at you with that phasey man, it's great cold. 662 00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: He has no stories, so I had so usually I'll 663 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,440 have three Q cards, right, and on each Q card 664 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,599 is about ten questions or ten topics and I can 665 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,359 kind of like, okay, I might expand on one if 666 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,160 the answer is really good or whatever. But so I 667 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,599 had the same thing with Carlo I based on questions. 668 00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:02,680 We were done in fifty four minutes. 669 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:03,799 Speaker 2: Wow. 670 00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:06,079 Speaker 3: And I had to then like add questions in that 671 00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:08,279 we're going to be for the second show because I'd 672 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,799 ran out because he just had no Because usually wrestlers 673 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:15,079 they feed off the crowd and they're they're better. I mean, 674 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:20,160 brutis beefcake, right, this fucker he we were in we 675 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,680 were in London, and like I thought, we treated him 676 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,039 pretty well. He's one of the only wrestlers who has 677 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,559 asked us to buy him like can I can I 678 00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:29,759 have a VOD Coke? Can have a Void Coke? Sure, 679 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,599 it's not a problem, but like rarely the wrestlers for that. 680 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,599 Speaker 2: Did you ever meet Did you ever meet Virgil? 681 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 3: Yes? I did. I met him at the subway station 682 00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:42,640 in New York comes back. 683 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: He was still we had him asked for a lot 684 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,160 of stuff. Yeah, we we. 685 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,039 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, Kenny, but I 686 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:53,039 actually booked Virgil for JP's bachelor party. Dude, So Virgil 687 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,119 shout up, No, no, we've made more about this. It 688 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,960 absolutely happened. And what was the year now? With twelve twelve? 689 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,000 So he shows up at the cigar bar where. 690 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,799 Speaker 3: We had the thing, and oh, that's amazing. 691 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:04,559 Speaker 2: It sits up there. 692 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 3: You know that photo there's the famous photo from like 693 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,720 Wrestle May in twenty nine weekend of him just sitting 694 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,880 at a table on his own. Yes, of course, yes, 695 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:13,960 I'm in that photo. 696 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,839 Speaker 2: How are you really the lonely vot? 697 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,359 Speaker 3: Not like the original one, not like the main one. 698 00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:21,960 There was a convention. This isn't like a kind of 699 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,759 hotel suite, you know, like we're like a star cast 700 00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:29,039 type thing would be so other shows, what I say, 701 00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:30,759 one that completely went off the rails. Did I tell 702 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:31,799 you the Godfather story? 703 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, I don't think so. 704 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,839 Speaker 3: So the Godfather we were bringing him over in twenty 705 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:40,160 twenty three, late twenty twenty three we had three shows 706 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,960 planned and because when I was researching him, had syd 707 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,400 been the Steve Austin podcast and he had a couple 708 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,599 of shots to Jack Daniels. So I was like, what 709 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,079 I'll do is all to break the ice. In the 710 00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:54,079 first night, I'll get a bottle of Jack Daniels will 711 00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:56,759 take a shot start the show. So this is like 712 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,799 mid December. I've got a cold, but like not a 713 00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:04,039 nothing debilitating, and I'm just got the sniffles a little bit. 714 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,240 And when I when I'm on stage, you'll see this 715 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,640 in August twenty twenty eight. Why can I not get 716 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,359 twenty eight to my head? 717 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,359 Speaker 2: It's what I'm working on it. I just think eight 718 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,440 and eight eight eight twenty eight. 719 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,079 Speaker 3: But when you'll see me with a double Vodkadyet coking 720 00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:22,400 a pint glass, that's the drink. So I had my 721 00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:24,440 usual vodka because I was like, that'll be fine. And 722 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,920 then he's on stage and he did a pre show 723 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,160 Papa Shangle meet and greet. He's got a post show 724 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,240 Godfather meeting greets. He's on great form. He's really friendly 725 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,519 and hospitable, and you know, a great guy gets on 726 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,680 stage and then fee on her from our team, who 727 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,039 kind of is the talent Li is on with the wrestler. 728 00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:43,680 She came up with the bottle of Jack Daniels. And 729 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,599 also she's sober, which makes this so much worse. So 730 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:50,440 she walks up, but the bar don't have shot glasses, 731 00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:54,240 so she just brings up to pint sized cups like 732 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,160 lastic cup. So then Godfather opens the bottle of Jack 733 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,799 Daniels and then he he does I mean we're on audio, 734 00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:03,640 so I can't really but he basically kind of like 735 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,240 almost dangles the bottles how much should I put it in? 736 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:09,440 And the crowd are kind of going, oh, and he 737 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:15,280 poured a half pint of Jack Daniels, and then he 738 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,159 pours a half pint of Jack Daniels him, And the 739 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,960 thing is to me, it's like challenge accepted. If you're 740 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,440 doing this, I have to do it, Like I'm just 741 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:26,599 you know, that's that's the gig. I brought the Jack 742 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,639 Daniels up, so I can't really pussy it of it. 743 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:32,639 So then we down a half pint of Jack Daniels each, 744 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:36,119 which is probably like six shots of Jack Daniels in 745 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:41,360 one goal. Maybe yeah. So and because I had the cold, 746 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,880 all of a sudden fel like I've taken a grammical caine, 747 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:48,880 I was like, yes, ready, to go and in the 748 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,199 first ten minutes were just great, and he's telling stories 749 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,599 and he's having a laugh, and then the Jack Daniels 750 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,360 hits the guy and I realized, oh, he can't handle 751 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,079 his drink even though God started to put it. So 752 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:06,760 then I mentioned, so I'm going chronologically in his career 753 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:08,880 and I get to like ninety two and I was like, 754 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,039 you know, you were you were one of the guys 755 00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:13,960 that when Sid left, and you were one of the 756 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,199 heels that's put in the place. You're wrestling Warrior, you're 757 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:21,440 wrestling Brett. And I mentioned Brett and he bursts into tears, 758 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,920 weeping on stage. 759 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 2: Do you think said. 760 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,159 Speaker 3: No because me mentioning Brett made him think of owing? 761 00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:30,039 Speaker 2: Got it? 762 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,199 Speaker 3: He is? He is in tears, weeping on the stage, 763 00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:39,760 and I am hammered on Jack Daniels. So I just 764 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,280 look at them and in my mind I was like, 765 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:45,519 oh God, what because you can't go? 766 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 2: So, yeah, what do you do? 767 00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? Like, what's the follow up? So I sat there 768 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,199 for about thirty seconds and then this woman who was 769 00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:53,480 in the front row of Vickiy who comes to a 770 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,719 lot of our shows, she just got up and gave 771 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,480 him a hug, wow, and that pug felt like it 772 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,400 went on for a long time. But anyway, so then 773 00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:05,599 as I tried to keep going, tried to remain professional, 774 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:08,639 and he was just like, could not keep a sentence together. 775 00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:11,159 He was just like all over the place. But the 776 00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:13,280 crowd were really enjoying it because it was such a 777 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,840 shit show. So then he gets to be at the 778 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,239 end and he starts calling me Kevin out of nowhere. 779 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,639 So then our tech guy got Kevin put up on 780 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:28,840 the big screens. People start chatting Kevin. Right. These people 781 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,159 are just like, who what do we do here? So 782 00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:33,480 then at the end, and this is night one of 783 00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:34,559 three three nights. 784 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,679 Speaker 2: And then at the end with him three nights with 785 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,239 him three. 786 00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 3: Nights with him consecutively, this is night one. So then 787 00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:44,920 at the end he goes, bring that Jack Daniel's back 788 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,039 up here. So he brings up the other half of 789 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:50,559 the bottle of Jack Danield's and puts another half pint 790 00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:52,360 in and we both have to drink the other half. 791 00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:56,639 And then he had to be carried down the stairs 792 00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:59,840 by James Storm. They could come along because he was 793 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:00,559 in town that day. 794 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:02,679 Speaker 2: It was Chris Harris apparently. 795 00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,159 Speaker 3: And and Godfather did the meet and greet downstairs, and 796 00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:10,920 he was so I mean, he wasn't on planet Earth. 797 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,000 But luckily for me, I've found out recently because we 798 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,199 did a show with Delo Brown that this is kind 799 00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:17,840 of the norm. He cannot handle his. 800 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 2: Anymore fascinating and he did. 801 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 3: But so we have this like one hour show with 802 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,400 him in Glasgow that's like unusable, Like none of it 803 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,360 can really be because also if you put it out, 804 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,159 it's kind of like your I don't care if you 805 00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:34,000 take the piss out of meat, Well that's fine, but 806 00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:36,039 you can't really take the piss out of talent unforced. 807 00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 808 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, that just that won't sure pay off long time, 809 00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:39,760 even if people get a laugh out of it, like 810 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,079 you can kiss future bookings goodbye. And it's not right. 811 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:44,920 It's not the right thing to do for somebody. 812 00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 2: You know. 813 00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:47,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. And then the only other example of maybe the 814 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,440 show not going is planned would be like with dug In. 815 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:51,360 For the first night with dug In, you know, I 816 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,960 did aka show one that I had in my mind, 817 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,280 and then when I started show too that had slightly 818 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,880 different questions. He just would find a way to get 819 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,920 it back to one of his twelve stories. Yeah, and 820 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,440 then he would, and it was like he thought it 821 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,000 was a comedy show, because he apparently does comedy shows 822 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,039 in the US, which I can only imagine how dreadful 823 00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:12,280 they are. 824 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 2: Oh god. 825 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 3: But he so he thought that these were like stand 826 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,440 up shows, and I was like, no, no, it's a career interview. 827 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,719 There's highs and lows. But he just didn't get. 828 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 2: It, didn't get it. 829 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,199 Speaker 3: And he would he would do a story about you know, 830 00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:28,000 the same story he's done every night, and at the 831 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:30,559 end you just look at her going, oh, I was 832 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:33,519 just in my mind be going I want to die. 833 00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,079 Speaker 1: Well, let me say right now, as we approach August 834 00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,360 twenty eighth at the Dome, you think you've wanted to 835 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,440 die on stage before, Manny, this is. 836 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,760 Speaker 3: No, but you remember this this time. Like usually when 837 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,199 I bring someone over and if it's going badly, I'm 838 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,079 sitting there thinking, you know, there's I was wanting, like 839 00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:56,760 thousands of dollars worth of content of you guys or whatever. 840 00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:59,920 But when it's with this, I'm just there. I'm just there. 841 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not at any point. 842 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:04,639 Speaker 3: No, I mean I am in a deficit to come 843 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:06,960 to do the show, but that you could. 844 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 2: Be doing something else like watching television. 845 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:15,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know I'm watching. Well, I mean, look, 846 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,039 can you can you imagine if I just get so 847 00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:21,159 annoyed I just go to the toilet. I can. 848 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,039 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. That's right. You're you're setting goals, now, Okay, 849 00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:28,159 that's what you're doing. You're setting goals for us. 850 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,599 Speaker 3: You have no idea how many times when I'm doing 851 00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:33,360 live interviews that I need to take a pest and 852 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,519 I don't do it. And I know that. I remember, 853 00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:38,280 I've done the dome before, so I know exactly where 854 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,760 I'm going take a pat. 855 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 2: If he does. 856 00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: If he does, JP, that's on a fair warning, Kenny, 857 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,920 don't be surprised if flaps Jim Barnett follows you to 858 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:46,199 the loo. 859 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it in front of him, 860 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,760 No way, I'm smarter than that. But yeah, so I'm 861 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,039 looking forward to just not having to to really give 862 00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:57,360 a ship. 863 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,079 Speaker 2: That's question, Kenny. It's Kenny back intash least. 864 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 3: That's night off love. 865 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's a night off. The wrestlers always say 866 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:06,760 that it's a night off. 867 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:14,039 Speaker 3: Working with him, it's a night office, and it's easy office. 868 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,239 What the fund. 869 00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:19,760 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that will definitely be a night on August 870 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,920 twenty eighth of the Dome. So wrapping up here with 871 00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:25,519 Kenny McIntosh, very excited to collaborate with him and inside 872 00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:27,480 the Ropes when we hit the UK for the first 873 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,920 time the Dome. You've got some experience you hosted Kevin 874 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,639 Nash there recently. Tell our listeners what they can expect 875 00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:33,519 in terms of the venue. 876 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 3: It's a great It's very laid back. It's kind of 877 00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:41,079 like a it's got the up the upstairs where we're 878 00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:42,880 going to be. It's kind of got like a community 879 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,599 hall type vibe in a good way. 880 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 2: Cool. 881 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 3: The drinking prices are not that expensive, which in London 882 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,800 is crazy. You're going to be in the city. We're 883 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,039 going to be in the same room where Edge and 884 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:57,039 I were on stage and we've done too chosen Doublin 885 00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,400 and Cork and they went amazing. And then London who 886 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,360 are very quiet crowd, We're so quiet. At the end 887 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,320 of the show, Edge went, did I do something wrong? 888 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,079 Speaker 2: Wow? Wow? You warned us about that. 889 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:08,599 Speaker 1: I don't think we have to worry about that as 890 00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,079 far as lapsed fans are concerned. But yeah, London can 891 00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:13,519 be a little quiet without meaning anything by it. It's 892 00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:14,760 just the nature of the crowd. 893 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, the end, because they get a lot of stuff 894 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,840 and then one guy in that show and the Edge 895 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,760 show just kept going Devon Dougley. 896 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,639 Speaker 2: That's fine. It's a good point, right, I mean it's 897 00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:25,119 a good point. 898 00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 3: I mean he is the better dudle if you're gonna 899 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,199 pick one extreen But yeah, I'm I'm looking for so, 900 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,079 I mean, if you're if you're in the London area 901 00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,039 for all in, you know, this is just gonna be fun. 902 00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:41,760 Sometimes wrestling shows are so hard to get through, Like 903 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,679 lots of wrestling matches like come to something more fun, 904 00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:51,440 like where we're just gonna take this and and you 905 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:57,679 know say things you probably want to hear these fuckers say, yeah, 906 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,280 this is the best way to spend your money on 907 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,559 all NBK. Actually it's better than it's right. 908 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,119 Speaker 2: Because I mean I can I can tell you that 909 00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,480 it will be and no point are you. 910 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,079 Speaker 3: Going to set at no point you're going to set 911 00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:13,239 during the show and go, oh god, there's four hours 912 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,360 to go, but you will all in. 913 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 2: That dude, don't like, don't come on. 914 00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm dragging him to to Wembley just so 915 00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:24,880 you know, can he So you're you're making this a 916 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,559 lot easier and everybody. 917 00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 3: You need to go to see Shue in Wembley Stadium once. 918 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,039 Speaker 2: Well, that's for sure, that's that's the exciting part. Although 919 00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:34,719 I'd rather go to Royal Albert Hall, but that's just 920 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,679 my weirdness. 921 00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's let's get that working guy back here. 922 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: But on the thicker well, I couldn't imagine a better uh, 923 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,880 a better collaborator and a better advertisement for what we're doing. 924 00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:47,960 I mean you heard it from his mouth, uncoached. It's 925 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,880 going to be better than all in so not a 926 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,639 problem for reasons that I think are credible and stand 927 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:55,360 up to scrutiny. Kenny McIntosh from Inside the Ropes were 928 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,960 very excited. August twenty eighth the Dome in London, the 929 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,480 Coachairs take the stage, as does the Rogues Gallery of 930 00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:06,000 Lapsed Characters, a challenge unlike Kenny McIntosh has ever faced 931 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,239 before and after this interview, we know that that is 932 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,440 saying something. Thank you so much for your time. 933 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 3: Kenny, thank you very much. Now see you on August 934 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,679 twenty ninth, twenty eighth, twenty