Speaker 1: Okay, So if you're still listening on the live stream,
Speaker 1: this is a quick, easy continuation. If not, this is
Speaker 1: part two of the podcast that is a tribute to
Speaker 1: my friend author who passed away recently, Joan Mellon, who
Speaker 1: was the first guest on The Ocelli Effect in February
Speaker 1: of twenty fifteen, the first live guest on the Ocelli Effect. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: there was only a handful of podcasts recorded before that,
Speaker 1: and it became what it became now these many years later.
Speaker 1: The dogs are making noise. I'm sorry about that, guys,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to get right back into the interview
Speaker 1: with Joan, because today, as I speak, it's July tenth
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five, and I wasn't I've been so
Speaker 1: dismayed as of late, I wasn't even gonna do a show,
Speaker 1: and then I got the sad news that Joan Mellon
Speaker 1: had passed away.
Speaker 2: And I told a story in.
Speaker 1: Part one about the general arc of our entire relationship. Really,
Speaker 1: I left a few things out because you know, she's
Speaker 1: entitled to her privacy about some things, but she was
Speaker 1: a friend. We had a relationship of an interesting dynamic
Speaker 1: to me and I have one more small story to
Speaker 1: tell about her, but I'll do that after I let
Speaker 1: her speak for herself. I got that show from twenty
Speaker 1: four to fifteen. Here lined up twenty fourteen. I keep
Speaker 1: making that mistake. February fifteen of twenty fourteen. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: when the o'celli Effect was live with Joan Mellan as
Speaker 1: my first live guest on a Saturday night on ucy
Speaker 1: dot TV, an alternative media radio network which hardly those
Speaker 1: things don't even exist anymore, right, I still have a
Speaker 1: little radio network for as long as I can pay
Speaker 1: for that. Anyway, it is what it is, and hopefully
Speaker 1: you guys are getting something out of this.
Speaker 2: And I mean to be.
Speaker 1: Very respectful and pay tribute to somebody who had a
Speaker 1: great influence on me. And whether you know it or not,
Speaker 1: if you're following real information, real research, actual solid stuff
Speaker 1: when it comes to the jfk assassination, the USS liberty,
Speaker 1: the various machinations of what's gone on in Cuba and
Speaker 1: Haiti and other places, plus many other books. She wrote
Speaker 1: a couple dozen books, some of them on film, Japanese
Speaker 1: film in particular, but cinema and women in Cinema, Marilyn Monroe,
Speaker 1: a lot of books on a lot of things, but
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of them you'll see on the graphic
Speaker 1: for this tribute.
Speaker 2: To Joan Mellen.
Speaker 1: Anyway, enough out of me, Let's get right back to
Speaker 1: it and play some more of this where I may
Speaker 1: or may not stop and comment here or there, just
Speaker 1: to remind you of the context. Eleven years later from this,
Speaker 1: and then I've got a piece of an interview. Let
Speaker 1: me check the date on it real fast. I've got
Speaker 1: a piece of an interview, so it won't be the
Speaker 1: whole thing. I might play this whole thing in these
Speaker 1: two parts, you know, split between the two parts, but
Speaker 1: I might not.
Speaker 2: But I also have an interview.
Speaker 1: From twenty eighteen with Joan. So four years after this one,
Speaker 1: and we had done a few shows and continue to
Speaker 1: do shows. We did one on Faustian Bargain. We did
Speaker 1: one on the Sherlock being catfished. We did one on
Speaker 1: Blood in the Water, the USS liberty story, Ourman and
Speaker 1: Haiti about de morn Shields, right. We did the discussion
Speaker 1: on the Great Game in Cuba and all of the
Speaker 1: interesting you know, anti and pro castro Cubans involved in
Speaker 1: various aspects of the Kennedy assassination and other deep political
Speaker 1: things going on, and she talks about the CIA pretty
Speaker 1: bluntly here and again my opinions differed from Joan on
Speaker 1: a few things, but I bet if you're familiar with
Speaker 1: my point of view on various things that are coming
Speaker 1: up during this interview, which I strategically brought up in
Speaker 1: a two hour spot, by the way, on a Saturday
Speaker 1: with Joan.
Speaker 2: I was really happy to do it.
Speaker 1: And I thought, lead with my best foot forward, and
Speaker 1: this was the friendly person I knew that would bring
Speaker 1: me something very very solid, very very correct, very very
Speaker 1: well backed by research and proper work. And also she
Speaker 1: was a hell of a writer, clearly anyway, she had
Speaker 1: her flaws, she had her quirks, and towards the end
Speaker 1: of her life she was pretty angry at me for
Speaker 1: various things. But I hope that she remembers now that
Speaker 1: I was always her friend and always somebody that was
Speaker 1: happy to talk her through things, work with her on things,
Speaker 1: give her a different perspective when she requested it, and
Speaker 1: gets shut down respectfully, and shut the hell up when
Speaker 1: I I was told do And it didn't matter if
Speaker 1: we were talking about, you know, Thomas Beckham, or the
Speaker 1: New York Mets, or the goings on in Jersey because
Speaker 1: we both lived there for many years. Anyway, back to
Speaker 1: the twenty fourteen interview with Joan Mellon from the Ocelli
Speaker 1: Effect archives got.
Speaker 3: A huge amount of contributions from Brown and Route and
Speaker 3: of course again in nineteen forty eight he did so
Speaker 3: this is a mutual admiration society. And when Johnson, by
Speaker 3: the time, let's say nineteen sixty four comes, the net
Speaker 3: worth of Lyndon Johnson was twenty four million dollars. Now,
Speaker 3: when you think he did many scams, many and many,
Speaker 3: but when you think that President Kennedy was considered a
Speaker 3: rich man, only had ten million dollars, you can see
Speaker 3: what enormous efforts that Lindon Johnson made to feathering his nest.
Speaker 3: And he was a master act, tremendously shrewd. And he
Speaker 3: had people like Bobby Baker, and he had people like
Speaker 3: Billy Celestes and others to help him alone. And of
Speaker 3: course in those days in Texas as in Louisianda, you
Speaker 3: could give campaign contributions anytime. You know, the person didn't
Speaker 3: have to be running for office. It's incredible. So you
Speaker 3: could so then you could call any kind of gift
Speaker 3: that you wanted to give a campaign contribution, all sorts
Speaker 3: of methods that they had Johnson and the radio station
Speaker 3: and the control of that, and how Johnson retained a
Speaker 3: monopoly on the radio state. He had the only radio
Speaker 3: station and TV station in Austin, Texas in his wife's name,
Speaker 3: so ridiculous. And then he would sell people were forced
Speaker 3: to by advertising on these radio and the TV station,
Speaker 3: and if they didn't, he got you know, they suffered
Speaker 3: the consequences and he got money that way. And there
Speaker 3: was so many scans and so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always an array of ways that any any
Speaker 1: criminal enterprise, no matter what you're looking at, there's always
Speaker 1: got to be in a ray of options for laundering
Speaker 1: the money. And Johnson certainly had many many options for
Speaker 1: doing that. But again, to put him as a mastermind
Speaker 1: for something as extreme as the assassination of John F. Kennedy,
Speaker 1: there is just no foundation for it. If there was,
Speaker 1: that would be one thing. There's plenty of foundation for
Speaker 1: all these criminal acts that we're talking about, and we
Speaker 1: don't even have We could probably sit and do this
Speaker 1: show for the next three months for two hours every
Speaker 1: week and not even complete all of the stuff that
Speaker 1: Johnson had his fingers in. And Brown and Root, by
Speaker 1: the way, just for those who are saying to themselves,
Speaker 1: you know, this stuff isn't really relevant nowadays, or it
Speaker 1: isn't relevant to any of the current events. I always
Speaker 1: try and point out, you know, this is where a
Speaker 1: lot of things were seeded Brown and Root. Later on,
Speaker 1: you can link it to things like ready for this Haliburton.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, Halliburton bought Brown and Root the minute that
Speaker 3: Herman Brown died in December of nineteen sixty two, and
Speaker 3: they didn't want to sell. So George Brown, the surviving brother,
Speaker 3: signed the papers for the sale to Halliburton just then.
Speaker 3: And so then George stayed on. I don't know the
Speaker 3: exact financial arrangements. He was still involved with Brown and
Speaker 3: Root at the time that they fortified themselves in Vietnam.
Speaker 3: I want to say something else about Brown and Ruth
Speaker 3: that is interesting, and it's in my update also for
Speaker 3: the Farewell to Justice, and that is that Jim Garrison
Speaker 3: was very angry at Lyndon Johnson for not releasing the
Speaker 3: files and exhibits of the Warren Commission and looking at
Speaker 3: Lyndon Johnson, he also saw as people later pretending like
Speaker 3: Caro pretends that even made the discovery that Johnson was
Speaker 3: supported by Herman and George Brown, but of course everyone
Speaker 3: knew it before that there was no new discovery. Garrison
Speaker 3: looked at Johnson and that he saw the Browns, and
Speaker 3: Hermann was dead already when Garrison made his identity investigation,
Speaker 3: there was George Brown. So the name of George Brown
Speaker 3: came up in the Garrison investigation. And some of the
Speaker 3: spies that Chuck that you referred to earlier, such as
Speaker 3: William Gerbrich, who was a cheap detective who applied the
Speaker 3: Port of New Orleans down there, real low figure. Anyway,
Speaker 3: he infiltrated. Garrison was very trusting. That was one of
Speaker 3: Garrison's faults he had fause this was no sake. And
Speaker 3: one of them was he let people in who would
Speaker 3: flatter him and who would seem to be committed, and
Speaker 3: they were really spying and cheating and stealing documents and
Speaker 3: so forth. And so Garbrich is listening to what's going
Speaker 3: on in the office and he hears the name George Brown,
Speaker 3: and so he reported it to a media assets. THEIA
Speaker 3: media asset named Hugh Ainsworth, now Hugh Ainsworth then called
Speaker 3: up George Brown and told him his name was mentioned
Speaker 3: Aarison was accusing him, which wasn't the case at all
Speaker 3: in being involved in the Kennedy assassination. And as a
Speaker 3: result of that whole little dance, if you like, Garrison
Speaker 3: liked to use that metaphor of the dance. As the
Speaker 3: result of all that, guess what the CIA looks at
Speaker 3: George Brown, and they know him well, and so we
Speaker 3: get the most valuable document that I think we have
Speaker 3: on the whole Kennedy assassination in my humble opinion, and
Speaker 3: that is a description of the CIA service, the service
Speaker 3: to the clandestine services of Herman and George Brown, and
Speaker 3: a whole slew a whole list of executives of Brown
Speaker 3: and Root and they were all part of CIA starting
Speaker 3: in the early nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: Just whoa take note there that she literally identifies Hughaansworth
Speaker 1: as a CIA asset, even though he was a mainstream
Speaker 1: journalist and a constant go to because he was also
Speaker 1: a witness to the assassination that day, as they represented him.
Speaker 1: But what's hilarious is this is interviews in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: It's not till twenty seventeen that I saw most researchers
Speaker 1: willing to admit that huane'sworth was guess what.
Speaker 2: Work and for the Feds baby anyway, just saying.
Speaker 1: Joan did not suffer stupidity or men's words and wouldn't
Speaker 1: let me mince words.
Speaker 2: When I talked to her privately, she was rough.
Speaker 1: I was worried she was going to do that to
Speaker 1: me on my show, on my debut show, and I
Speaker 1: was going to look like.
Speaker 2: A punk swear to God anyway, back to it.
Speaker 3: And as a result, also we get a look in
Speaker 3: the same document at various foundations, including the Brown Foundation,
Speaker 3: which was a foundation set up by George Brown, I think,
Speaker 3: and all of them, and they would use this pass through.
Speaker 3: CIA used these foundations as passed throughs to fund domestic activities.
Speaker 3: There's things that they were they were not entitled to
Speaker 3: according to their the use of the foundations and all
Speaker 3: this came out in Congress by a Texas congressman named
Speaker 3: Right Patton, who exposed it all. And so there we
Speaker 3: have the CIA's own document admitting to the use of
Speaker 3: Herman and George Brown which is gold in terms of
Speaker 3: how we connect all these things, as Don DeLillo says
Speaker 3: in his great novel Underworld, and everything is connected, and then.
Speaker 2: Here we have it. And if not for.
Speaker 3: Garrison, and I think Chuck you were saying earlier, if
Speaker 3: not for Garrison Oliver Stone wouldn't have had the film.
Speaker 3: And if not for the film, we wouldn't have had
Speaker 3: the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records and Collection Act, and
Speaker 3: we wouldn't have had all the documents, and none of
Speaker 3: these books that have been written about the Kennedy assassination
Speaker 3: in the last twenty years would never have been published.
Speaker 1: And the Assassination Records Review Board which was formed as
Speaker 1: a result from the outcry of that movie. And again
Speaker 1: I say you could trace that back to Garrison's case,
Speaker 1: the fact that Stone had publicized it, and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff which later gave us that marvelous collection that
Speaker 1: is there now at the National Archives. All of these
Speaker 1: things give you a blueprint for the anatomy of many
Speaker 1: of the intelligence services attempts to subvert many things, especially
Speaker 1: the media assets. That stuff is laid out so clearly,
Speaker 1: and Hugh Ainsworth just in case my listeners think that
Speaker 1: that is a familiar name. Hugh Ainsworth is one of
Speaker 1: these guys that has always pulled out. He's still being
Speaker 1: pulled out today on all of these Oswald did it
Speaker 1: shows as an assassination witness, as an authority on the
Speaker 1: real situations that were occurring in Dallas and all these
Speaker 1: things because he was a reporter in Dallas at the time.
Speaker 1: But as you point out, this guy can be tied
Speaker 1: to the agency. He was definitely an asset. That's just
Speaker 1: the way it is. And on top of that, you know,
Speaker 1: when you examine this stuff that's coming out all the time, again,
Speaker 1: this is how it works. It gives you a blueprint
Speaker 1: for how it is they turn around and discredit people
Speaker 1: and stuff like this. Now, another little point that I
Speaker 1: wanted to make here, It's just a small point, is
Speaker 1: that you're not talking about Jim Garrison as somebody that
Speaker 1: you learned about through the JFK movie or that you
Speaker 1: happened to read about because he was an assassination literature
Speaker 1: or anything like that. You actually knew the man, didn't you.
Speaker 3: Well, what happened was I mentioned earlier on our program
Speaker 3: the Piaiese Sarah newspaper series about the CIA front Permandex
Speaker 3: and Central Monday al COMMERCIALI. Well, my husband was living
Speaker 3: in London at the time and we weren't married then,
Speaker 3: but he he got a set of those newspapers and
Speaker 3: he sent them to Jim Garrison in New Orleans. So
Speaker 3: in May of nineteen sixty nine, Garrison the chaw Off
Speaker 3: course was a in March. In May of nineteen sixty nine,
Speaker 3: Garrison invited my husband and me to New Orleans and
Speaker 3: he wanted to thank Ralph and like that. So there
Speaker 3: we go. We go, and I'd never been to New Orleans.
Speaker 3: It's terribly hot down there.
Speaker 2: I have to tell you.
Speaker 3: It's seltry and I was sick, and so the photograph
Speaker 3: in a farewell to Justice, I look pretty bedraggled. I'm
Speaker 3: sick with fever from the sultry weather. And Garrison and
Speaker 3: my husband and I are sitting in the hotel room
Speaker 3: and Garrison is talking about the Kennedy assassination. And the
Speaker 3: blinds were bothering me. The sun was so somebody working
Speaker 3: for the hotel came in to fix the blinds and
Speaker 3: he said, hello, mister Garrison. And I found that surprising.
Speaker 3: By the way, at the hotel, it was the hotel
Speaker 3: monte Leone on Royal Street, and Garrison registered us as
Speaker 3: mister and missus Lyndon Baines Johnson, which is really very
Speaker 3: funny in the light of everything that has happened since,
Speaker 3: even funnier. But when this man said, I said, well, gee,
Speaker 3: how come he's saying hello to mister Garrison. I had
Speaker 3: no idea. And then when we walked in the street,
Speaker 3: it would going to the Garrison's favorite restaurant, which was
Speaker 3: called Miran La Louisiana, and people in the street, especially
Speaker 3: black people, are saying hello to mister Garrison, and I think,
Speaker 3: I don't even know. I did not know that he
Speaker 3: was district attorney, which he was. He had been reelect it.
Speaker 3: In fact, didn't know, no, no, he was running for
Speaker 3: reelection because the election was probably that on him. You
Speaker 3: would not know that he was district attorney except for
Speaker 3: people are recognizing him in the street because he's talking
Speaker 3: all the while about the Kennedy assassination. And I thought
Speaker 3: that was all he cared about, really, was the Kennedy assassination. Well,
Speaker 3: I knew Garrison's ambition in life was not to be
Speaker 3: a district attorney or a lawyer or any of this.
Speaker 3: He wanted to be an author, and so he was
Speaker 3: writing manuscripts and books about the Kennedy assassination and novels,
Speaker 3: and he was sending him to me, and he wanted
Speaker 3: to talk three hours at a stretch. And those who
Speaker 3: know him are like say Vince Landry and Philadelphia. People
Speaker 3: who have been his print know that he could talk
Speaker 3: for hours and hours. You didn't say a word, and
Speaker 3: he's talking about his writing and what he's thinking and
Speaker 3: what he's doing. And this went on for some years,
Speaker 3: and then in the early nineteen seventies when he was
Speaker 3: charged by the federal government for taking bribes from pimball
Speaker 3: operators illegal pinball gambling interests, and he was on trial
Speaker 3: and he was framed. It was clear that he was framed,
Speaker 3: and I thought, well, this would be a great subject
Speaker 3: for a book. I want to write a book about
Speaker 3: Garrison and what happened to him and all this. Of course,
Speaker 3: Garrison was acquitted both of taking the bribes, and then
Speaker 3: he was tried again by the Internal Revenue Service for
Speaker 3: not paying taxes on the bribes that he was acquitted
Speaker 3: of taking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, most interestingly, he was acquitted of the tax evasion
Speaker 1: on the bribes that it had already been established in
Speaker 1: the court of law. He hadn't taken That was the
Speaker 1: fascinating part of that for me.
Speaker 3: Yes, So anyway, I thought I'll write this book then,
Speaker 3: and then I just didn't. I didn't know how to
Speaker 3: write a biography. I certainly didn't know enough about any
Speaker 3: of this, So you know, I didn't start then Garrison,
Speaker 3: and so I saw him again. The last time I
Speaker 3: saw Garrison was in nineteen eighty seven, and Oliver Stone
Speaker 3: was working on his film, and he was very happy
Speaker 3: about that. He was going to play Chief Justice or
Speaker 3: a Warren. Garrison played or a Warren in the film,
Speaker 3: which he thought was funny, and so he was very young.
Speaker 3: But he was just the same in nineteen eighty seven
Speaker 3: as he had been in nineteen sixty nine, talking NonStop
Speaker 3: about the fact that the brother of Dullas's second in command,
Speaker 3: General Charles Cabell, was the mayor of Dallas at the
Speaker 3: time of the Kennedy assassination, and the business with the
Speaker 3: parade route wasn't changed going over this material that Oswald
Speaker 3: never fired a shot, going over this over and over again,
Speaker 3: and then he got sick, and I didn't start writing
Speaker 3: and doing the research the actual book until nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3: I wrote many many books since during that time, but
Speaker 3: I didn't start again until ninety seven. And the first
Speaker 3: person two people together. They were afraid to see me alone.
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 3: The two people that I saw first were Frank Minard,
Speaker 3: who was the coroner of Orleans Parish for many many years.
Speaker 3: He was the only white man that got re elected
Speaker 3: in later years. But Frank told me that when he
Speaker 3: would go into the house of somebody, when some collect
Speaker 3: a dead body he was a coroner, he would see
Speaker 3: three photographs in the black people's homes. There was, predictably
Speaker 3: doctor Martin Luther King Junior. There was John F. Kennedy,
Speaker 3: and there was Jim Garrison. These are the people that
Speaker 3: were that were most admired. And so Frank told me
Speaker 3: Nana and lou Aivan was the other person that was
Speaker 3: with him, and they began to tell me about Jim Garrison,
Speaker 3: what he was like in his life, and and it
Speaker 3: was funny. I think one of the things that I
Speaker 3: missed in the Oliver Stone film that was was the
Speaker 3: humor of Garrison. That's sardonic irony, and I love the line.
Speaker 3: I ope my favorite rong it still is the line
Speaker 3: of Garrison where he says was talking about in his
Speaker 3: investigation and being in the investigation, and he said, I
Speaker 3: thought I was living in the country I was born in,
Speaker 3: and the country that he was born in was a
Speaker 3: country with civil liberties with us, that with justice, justice
Speaker 3: under the law, and that you don't have a country,
Speaker 3: for example, in which when he charged Clay Shaw with
Speaker 3: perjury after the Shaw trial, it went into federal court,
Speaker 3: which I had no business. It was a state Louisiana
Speaker 3: matter perjury. It's not a federal crime. But somehow it
Speaker 3: got into federal court and it was dismissed because Shaw
Speaker 3: lied on the stand in the trial and he said
Speaker 3: that he didn't know Oswald and he didn't know David Ferry.
Speaker 3: And we have ten witnesses or more. There was some
Speaker 3: that didn't compere at the trial, black and white, who
Speaker 3: said that they saw Shaw and this is very important
Speaker 3: to Shaw and Ferry and Oswald driving in a black
Speaker 3: Cadillac up to Jackson and Clinton, Louisiana, north of Baton
Speaker 3: Rouge and Oswald had gone up there there to Clintlinton
Speaker 3: to vote and to figure out what Garrison see.
Speaker 1: Now, this interview continues for quite a while more, and
Speaker 1: if you want the whole thing, by all means, go
Speaker 1: ahead and email me.
Speaker 2: I'll be a lot happier if you.
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Speaker 1: get that upgraded version of it I put out a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I'll be more than happy to
Speaker 1: send you the best version of it that I have
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Speaker 1: via email at least for well the remainder of July,
Speaker 1: which is as long as I'm sure that I'll be
Speaker 1: able to maintain my email storage account.
Speaker 2: But we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we're going to take a little break here, and
Speaker 1: as we do, I'm going to come back and play
Speaker 1: another piece from a separate interview with Joan, and we'll
Speaker 1: continue this particular tribute to Joan Mellon, the author of
Speaker 1: many many books on the Ocelli effect.
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Speaker 1: Second segment of The O'Kelly Effect, Part two, tribute to
Speaker 1: Joan Mellon, and we're gonna get straight on into it
Speaker 1: within your interview from twenty eighteen. And this is regarding
Speaker 1: a different circumstance.
Speaker 2: How about this. It looks like it's hour number two from.
Speaker 1: The Let's See Now October twenty sixth, twenty eighteen interview
Speaker 1: with Joan Mellon regarding the USS Liberty and her book
Speaker 1: Blood in the Water. Anyway, it's the second hour, and
Speaker 1: I think I was on American Freedom Radio at this time.
Speaker 2: I don't really remember. Now, maybe I wasn't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to listen and find out. Let's see,
Speaker 1: because I probably announced it at the beginning of the hour,
Speaker 1: if that's what happened. But I haven't listened to this.
Speaker 1: I'm listening to it along with you guys, because I
Speaker 1: just randomly selected these things. And well, I mean, truthfully,
Speaker 1: I wanted to play part of the first interview, at
Speaker 1: least that I did with her, but I wanted to
Speaker 1: follow up with something else, and I chose this at random,
Speaker 1: So hopefully this works out for you guys, and you
Speaker 1: enjoy it. I know it'll be packed with information, just
Speaker 1: like the other piece was. And again it's look July
Speaker 1: tenth of twenty twenty five, and unfortunately Joan Mellon is
Speaker 1: no longer on this planet with us, so hopefully this
Speaker 1: sound quality is a little better too, and maybe my
Speaker 1: delivery will have improved in a couple of years there,
Speaker 1: because now I'm more than four and a half years
Speaker 1: deep into my broadcast career.
Speaker 2: On this clip, right.
Speaker 1: From after we repeat to bring my brother back to
Speaker 1: where I'm coming from.
Speaker 9: Now, treat joy again.
Speaker 13: That's all.
Speaker 9: That's all. That's all.
Speaker 1: Second Hour The Ocelli Effect begins now here to Shelley
Speaker 1: dot Com, but also heard a variety of other affiliates.
Speaker 1: We do appreciate all of you for tuning in. Anyway,
Speaker 1: if you're catching this in podcast form, you're going to
Speaker 1: need to refer to the show notes to find out
Speaker 1: where you can pre order the book, which is by
Speaker 1: my guest tonight, Joan Mellan, the author, but she's a
Speaker 1: lot more than an author.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: It's listen I'm gonna include a link to joanmellon dot
Speaker 1: com so you can go and read about the author
Speaker 1: if you like a bit. I'm going to also include
Speaker 1: the link to pre order the book, which is Blood
Speaker 1: in the Water how the US and Israel conspired to
Speaker 1: ambush the USS Liberty, which is the topic tonight. But
Speaker 1: of course Joan's written about a great many other topics,
Speaker 1: and as I said before, she's been on the show
Speaker 1: quite a few times, and I always am happy and
Speaker 1: learn something every time Joan is on the show.
Speaker 10: I've heard got to mention the name, Chuck. We need
Speaker 10: we need to mention the name of the publisher, Prometheus Books.
Speaker 2: Prometheus is publishing this.
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't even notice that, to be honest, because
Speaker 1: you've actually worked with several publishers over the years.
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, I guess. And you know, whoever wants to
Speaker 10: do a topic this publisher Prometheus Books. They like to
Speaker 10: do books of historical events that are not solved, that
Speaker 10: people don't know about, and this is a perfect book
Speaker 10: for them because it's an open story. People still don't
Speaker 10: know exactly what happened, and that's partly because they don't
Speaker 10: want it. They're afraid of the material. It's very goes
Speaker 10: right to the root of the American imperial enterprise, if
Speaker 10: you want to put it that way, and the relationship
Speaker 10: of US and Israel. It's like a taboo topic along
Speaker 10: with the Kennedy assassination.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a whole bunch of taboo topics in here.
Speaker 1: First of all, to cast dispersions on Lyndon Bings Johnson
Speaker 1: is apparently not in vogue at the moment, you know, because,
Speaker 1: as you said earlier in this discussion, his current official biographers,
Speaker 1: what are they doing but whitewashing his entire existence.
Speaker 10: And I know that I was very friendly in the past,
Speaker 10: maybe in the eighties with Robert Carow. I even bought
Speaker 10: at one point, I was invited to his birthday party
Speaker 10: and I bought a cake, a huge cake in the
Speaker 10: shape of the LBJ ranch with cows and horses and
Speaker 10: cowboys and it was and it was a cake. So
Speaker 10: I mean, I really I knew him quite well, And
Speaker 10: at that time I didn't know any of this, and
Speaker 10: I didn't really know until recently. Really he's a depth
Speaker 10: to which he's covered up. But those people who have
Speaker 10: read his most recent book realized he's distorted the Kennedy
Speaker 10: He had to write about the Kennedy assassination. There was
Speaker 10: no way around that. And there he gives the official
Speaker 10: Warren Commission story, and that's just been't disproved over and
Speaker 10: over again. So he just was terrified of the subject, obviously.
Speaker 10: And I just wonder his new book volume would be
Speaker 10: covering nineteen sixty seven and would be covering the USS liberty.
Speaker 10: But I don't know if it will. Maybe we'll force
Speaker 10: them into it just to look at this.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe there'll there'll be a mention there, but I
Speaker 1: can guarantee you it's not going to even remotely resemble
Speaker 1: what you produced.
Speaker 2: Here in this world.
Speaker 10: No, but he is the object of He and Robert
Speaker 10: Dallak as well. They want to rehabilitate Johnson as a
Speaker 10: credible figure. And it's part of protecting the mainstream politics
Speaker 10: of the country. If you have a president as a murderer,
Speaker 10: as in the case of Lyndon Johnson, and I'm not
Speaker 10: talking about his killing Kennedy here, he is really responsible
Speaker 10: for the deaths of all those people, and many of them,
Speaker 10: maybe half of them at least, that the planes had
Speaker 10: been allowed to go and go to the site of
Speaker 10: where the ship was being attacked. Some lives there certainly
Speaker 10: could have been saved. So he abandoned American sailors on
Speaker 10: him in the field of battle that they hadn't sort
Speaker 10: of after themselves and got away with it, didn't he well?
Speaker 10: And even when let me just say this, even the sailors,
Speaker 10: the survivors actually filed a war crime report against Israel
Speaker 10: in two thousand and four, which is something that when
Speaker 10: you want to file that in the military, you have
Speaker 10: to deposit it at the Pentagon. And they never answered.
Speaker 10: It was never answered. But the petition itself does not
Speaker 10: mention Lindon Johnson. And I asked the author of the
Speaker 10: petition name who was one of the people in the
Speaker 10: Air Force who actually was aware of the liberty incident
Speaker 10: at the time, with Wyndon Johnson's name on this, as
Speaker 10: he certainly committed war crimes, and he hung up. He
Speaker 10: wouldn't talk to me, and he wouldn't see me. And
Speaker 10: this was on the phone, and.
Speaker 2: What could you do, right?
Speaker 1: I actually have a PDF of something that is dated
Speaker 1: and listed as war crimes committed against the US military
Speaker 1: personnel June eighth, nineteen sixty seven, and it was submitted
Speaker 1: to the Secretary of the Army.
Speaker 10: Oh, yes you have. That's the petition that the Liberty
Speaker 10: Veterans Association filed and the war crime petition.
Speaker 1: That's right, right, what I'm referring to exactly, I'm going
Speaker 1: to put a link to that along with this show,
Speaker 1: and also it's in the live chat room. You can
Speaker 1: read it for yourself. It was actually filed according to
Speaker 1: this in two thousand and five. Let's see, actually on
Speaker 1: June eighth, two thousand and five. Indeed, so wow, almost
Speaker 1: forty years later, thirty eight years after the fact, they
Speaker 1: filed this and as you said, it has not been answered.
Speaker 10: Right, were answered and there was there have been books
Speaker 10: about an international law that have you know, discussed all
Speaker 10: the violations and including one by a person named Walter Jacobson.
Speaker 10: He was in the Navy and uh Lisle the violations
Speaker 10: and war crimes and suddenly h to blow up the lifeboats. See,
Speaker 10: they had released the lifeboats into the water because the
Speaker 10: captain had actually in the midst of the attack, had
Speaker 10: had ordered them to abandon ship, and so so then
Speaker 10: they slew these were they let the lifeboats inflate in
Speaker 10: order to get to save some people if the ship
Speaker 10: is going to sink any lifeboats and the Israelis uh,
Speaker 10: they they took the machine gun, the life rafts so
Speaker 10: that they couldn't be used, and one life raft they
Speaker 10: grabbed and they took it to as a souvenir back
Speaker 10: to Israel.
Speaker 1: H I wasn't aware that they took a souvenir back
Speaker 1: to Israel, but uh I did refer to that earlier.
Speaker 1: And as far as I understand, there are multiple aspects
Speaker 1: of the Geneva Conventions that that specifically prohibit attacking UH
Speaker 1: lifeboats or things which are being utilized to save lives
Speaker 1: that are unarmed on a battlefield. I could have swore
Speaker 1: there were rules against this, Joan, maybe I'm mistaken.
Speaker 10: Well, no, I think that this is definitely prohibited, prohibited. Yeah,
Speaker 10: so you know, people do what they do, and I
Speaker 10: think that, you know, I don't want to get into
Speaker 10: the Israeli politics too much, but you know, I can
Speaker 10: understand after the Holocaust, the Israeli position is what rules,
Speaker 10: what rules of what humane rules of in law of
Speaker 10: in law? They certainly weren't didn't that the Nazi period
Speaker 10: destroy all civilities and war.
Speaker 2: We see unfortunately a lot of the stuff that was developed.
Speaker 1: As you know, reasonable agreements between civilized nations allegedly came
Speaker 1: after that. Right, A lot of it came after that,
Speaker 1: including you know, things like bands on medical testing, on
Speaker 1: you know, unwilling subjects, things like this, you know, a whole.
Speaker 10: Round also agent rans and the napalm in order the
Speaker 10: murdering of villagers in the Vietnam War. There are guilty.
Speaker 1: But by the way, by the way, one one question
Speaker 1: I do have for you. I once read that it
Speaker 1: was white phosphorus which was utilized on the liberty. Uh
Speaker 1: napalm may have also been dumped on it, But was
Speaker 1: white phosphorus also used during.
Speaker 2: The attack, not that I know of.
Speaker 10: It was ny palm. A lot of canisters of napalm
Speaker 10: and it ignites and makes fires. You no, you look
Speaker 10: at the histories of this scene. I never heard of
Speaker 10: why prosphorus, but maybe they meant nay palm when they
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I tell you there's a lot of My point
Speaker 1: is there's a lot of confusion about this. And to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I know, the type of research
Speaker 1: that you've done, you probably clarify a bunch of things
Speaker 1: that you're not even aware of in this book, Uh,
Speaker 1: just letting you know that, because there's a lot of speculation.
Speaker 1: You notice I said that there might have been Russians
Speaker 1: who were present, who were you know, flying around, or
Speaker 1: Soviet planes. I have also read that there were other
Speaker 1: planes that happened to be in the area that might
Speaker 1: have put eyes on it, who might have not been
Speaker 1: aware of what was happening. I read about the Israelis
Speaker 1: who refused to fire upon the liberty.
Speaker 2: I've read about it.
Speaker 10: Let's get back to the Soviets because I want to
Speaker 10: add a point, and that is on the night after June,
Speaker 10: the night of June, after the shooting is done, and
Speaker 10: they're just wobbling around in the water, ship was listing,
Speaker 10: you know, at ten degrees.
Speaker 1: I think, well, let's let's paint the entire picture. It's crippled.
Speaker 1: It's got a forty foot hole in it. You know,
Speaker 1: the circumference were the you know, the diameter not sure,
Speaker 1: but either way it's forty feet okay. Large hole. Power
Speaker 1: is obviously challenged or gone.
Speaker 10: And now the US is not coming, nobody's coming to help,
Speaker 10: and they're all alone out there. Nobody's coming. And on
Speaker 10: the horizon appears a Soviet ship and the Soviet commander
Speaker 10: in English sends a message to the Liberty do you
Speaker 10: need help? And the Liberty answers no, thank you, and
Speaker 10: the Soviets say, well, we'll stay here for a few hours,
Speaker 10: you know, through the night, just in case you need us,
Speaker 10: and they did. Now these people who say, oh, we
Speaker 10: don't need it, go away, these are people who were
Speaker 10: educated in the Cold War, and the Cold War thinking
Speaker 10: is Soviets are no good and we don't want anything
Speaker 10: to do with your the enemy. But the fact is
Speaker 10: that the Soviets behaved impeccably throughout the story. And I
Speaker 10: traced the Soviet presence in the Mediterranean in relation to
Speaker 10: the Liberty throughout the book, so I can tell you
Speaker 10: they appear and the Soviets were doing the same thing.
Speaker 10: They had surveillance ships, so they understood. And then there's
Speaker 10: a whole story that I have about the Soviet submarine
Speaker 10: that somehow on that submarine they developed a week of mercury,
Speaker 10: and the men on that submarine were dying and sick
Speaker 10: and throwing up whatever. And the captain wires Moscow and says,
Speaker 10: I want to come back and bring these people to
Speaker 10: the hospital, and they thought that this was so serious
Speaker 10: a situation that they said no. So that's another aspect
Speaker 10: does the story Well, yeah.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of considerations there because the Soviets to
Speaker 1: become entangled in this now could you know a lot
Speaker 1: of things could be misconstrued or misrepresented later on. It's
Speaker 1: actually kind of dangerous for that Soviet captain who have
Speaker 1: even offered assistance given the uh you know, I mean
Speaker 1: on the.
Speaker 10: Night before when on the night after the attack, right, yes,
Speaker 10: but I mean you could see they have a good
Speaker 10: spy system too, and they could see what was going on.
Speaker 1: Here's here's actually a question from a live listener, which
Speaker 1: which I think is a good one. Were the men
Speaker 1: that you spoke to that were on the ship that survived,
Speaker 1: were they immediately aware that they were attacked by Israeli assets?
Speaker 10: Yes, well that's a very good question. Well, on the
Speaker 10: same day as the attack, late in the afternoon is
Speaker 10: said they did they accepted responsible vility and they said
Speaker 10: they did it and it was a mistake and it
Speaker 10: was an accident, and they did so the same day
Speaker 10: they took responsibility. They wanted to see. I think it's
Speaker 10: it's when you look at the political thing. You realize
Speaker 10: that they took the responsibility to take any any chance
Speaker 10: away that the people could begin to blame the United
Speaker 10: States for this in some way. But they immediately stepped forward.
Speaker 10: And they've kept quiet about this for all these years,
Speaker 10: fifty years they have, and they've really covered for the
Speaker 10: United States on this ship, on this business, and Israel
Speaker 10: has covered for them. You see, it was no one's
Speaker 10: neither of their interests to tell the truth. And the
Speaker 10: United States has worked hard on every president since Johnson
Speaker 10: to keep up the covert cover up and not to
Speaker 10: get into this. And many sailors have called their representatives
Speaker 10: and senators and asked for help to get it. They
Speaker 10: wanted calling for a new investigation because the first naval inquiry,
Speaker 10: which is the only one, was fraud. And so Dave
Speaker 10: was lived in Vermont at the time, so you know
Speaker 10: who his United States senator was. So this United States
Speaker 10: senator answers the phone as he was wont to do,
Speaker 10: and Bernie Sanders says, I don't, I don't want. I
Speaker 10: can't get involved with that. And then the other senator
Speaker 10: was Patrick Ley, and he also said I can't get
Speaker 10: involved with that. Well, Dave then said to Bernie Sanders, Listen,
Speaker 10: you don't have to do that, because I have I
Speaker 10: know a rabbi who's very simple, sympathetic to the liberty,
Speaker 10: and you can do it through him. And and and
Speaker 10: Sanders said that isn't appropriate either. His phrase was, it
Speaker 10: isn't appropriate, which is sort of kind of makes you
Speaker 10: a little bit down on Bernie Sanders. And what if
Speaker 10: you have to lose. He's an older man now, And
Speaker 10: why can't you tell the truth and why can't it
Speaker 10: stand up for people? And but of course if you do,
Speaker 10: you know you're out of politics. Because his alias have
Speaker 10: a very strong robby it's called APAC, AIPAC, and they
Speaker 10: will destroy you and make you lose an election. One
Speaker 10: of the people that happened to was the son of
Speaker 10: Adelais Stevenson, Adle Stevenson, the one that ran against Prisident Eisenhower,
Speaker 10: and he was at the time in the United States
Speaker 10: Senate and he wanted to run for governor of Illinois,
Speaker 10: and he ran for governor and he lost by a
Speaker 10: tiny bit. But the point the APAC really came.
Speaker 4: Out and he.
Speaker 10: He lost.
Speaker 1: Well, it's no strange coincidence or accident that even in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, we observed every viable presidential candidate, including the
Speaker 1: guy who's in office now, went before.
Speaker 2: Apak and pledged for it. They would do the right thing.
Speaker 1: See, those are very powerful, that's the American Israeli Political
Speaker 1: Action Committee and the extremely powerful. And I have this
Speaker 1: funny feeling that they certainly wouldn't want to pick at
Speaker 1: this scam.
Speaker 2: That's really the way that they look.
Speaker 10: This is very important. And when I call various Israeli writers,
Speaker 10: including one name Avenir Kohane, who had written the book
Speaker 10: Israel and the Bomb so which they've had since the sixties,
Speaker 10: it's another part of the story. And President Kennedy gets
Speaker 10: involved with that anyway. I called him, I asked him
Speaker 10: about the liberty and he said, it's a comedy of ARUs.
Speaker 2: Comedy of the comedy of Wow.
Speaker 1: You know, they see that's a weird thing because in
Speaker 1: recent years, again the concept that maybe the Masade had
Speaker 1: Kennedy killed is you know, is popularized in certain circles
Speaker 1: at this point over the fact that there was a
Speaker 1: problem with the you know, giving the nukes.
Speaker 2: Basically, I mean, let's just cut to the chase.
Speaker 10: We didn't have to give them nukes. They have had
Speaker 10: nukes since Kennedy's day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Well, and not only nukes, you know, weapons, not just
Speaker 10: the material but the actual weapons. They've had nuclear weapons
Speaker 10: since nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: But the point is right to.
Speaker 10: President Kennedy, Yeah, she won't Paris, that is, it will
Speaker 10: not be the first country in the Middle East to
Speaker 10: get nuclear weapons. And of course they were, they had them. Well,
Speaker 10: and that's also a taboo, another taboo subject. You're not
Speaker 10: going to hear that.
Speaker 1: Well, but that's why I bring it up right here
Speaker 1: and now, because the bottom line is, look, I have
Speaker 1: no qualms with bringing up realities. And people talk about
Speaker 1: this as being a motive for why the Masade wanted
Speaker 1: to kill JFK. The problem is there would be no
Speaker 1: need for it because they already had this stuff.
Speaker 10: I mean, we know, well, that's right, that's right. And
Speaker 10: they also outsmarted Kennedy. And when he sent inspectors to
Speaker 10: you know, there was kept to do inspections of these places.
Speaker 10: They created new elevators, they build new buildings. They were
Speaker 10: they were able. They said it was a holiday. Somehow
Speaker 10: nobody got to see anything, right, so they didn't they
Speaker 10: didn't need to kill him. They could out smart at
Speaker 10: him and.
Speaker 1: Them us right well exactly, So that's why that whole
Speaker 1: assertion falls apart on its face.
Speaker 2: See and there you go, guys. I mean, what can
Speaker 2: I say except that this conversation goes on and on.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what. Somebody, and I don't know who,
Speaker 2: but posted this show.
Speaker 1: I don't know the guy.
Speaker 2: He just decided for his own interests to post half
Speaker 2: of my interview with Joan Mellan on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Other people could post my stuff on YouTube, but not me,
Speaker 1: So you know, it's like other people can have PayPal accounts.
Speaker 2: And I don't anymore. Anyway, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I put a link in the live chat room and
Speaker 1: also with the show notes if you want to help
Speaker 1: out and try and keep us running. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: pay the small bills as they come in with other means,
Speaker 1: but I used to do everything through PayPal, and now
Speaker 1: a whole lot of loss, all your memberships, all that
Speaker 1: stuff is going to be gone. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be able to collect it. So you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to cancel anybody's membership on the website. It's not
Speaker 1: your fault that.
Speaker 2: You can't pay it.
Speaker 1: So the memberships are frozen until I come up with
Speaker 1: a solution there. But anyway, I'm going to do a
Speaker 1: separate podcast probably tomorrow night about this situation with PayPal
Speaker 1: and a few other things before we do the Friday
Speaker 1: night calling show that we always do, and I'll be
Speaker 1: able to do it this week, but who knows how
Speaker 1: long that'll go on for. Also, I'll have a new
Speaker 1: episode of the Age of Transitions ready to roll tomorrow
Speaker 1: night on o'chelly dot com. No Uncles show, I think,
Speaker 1: but I'm not certain of that.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: We shall see what we see when we see it.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to pay tribute to the great author
Speaker 1: Joan Mellon, and I'm going to put the like I said,
Speaker 1: the link to this guy's YouTube channel, you know, for
Speaker 1: no other reason except that you guys can hear the
Speaker 1: whole hour, at least the whole second hour of this
Speaker 1: discussion on the USS Liberty with the author Joan Mellon,
Speaker 1: Blood in the Water.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: So Joan was a friend and somebody I really appreciated. Oh,
Speaker 1: in that final little story, right, I started talking about
Speaker 1: how she didn't show up for JFK and Dealey Plazid
Speaker 1: and all that and didn't show up for the answer
Speaker 1: recording and wanted nothing to do with the research community
Speaker 1: any longer. And I tried to have a private conversation
Speaker 1: with her to get her to just do one last
Speaker 1: appearance on Jim Garrison, and you know, considering that we
Speaker 1: had gone through the twenty seventeen time period that we
Speaker 1: all waited for and never got the documents on and
Speaker 1: everything else, and I wanted her to come to Lancer
Speaker 1: one more time after you know, Trump didn't release, then
Speaker 1: Biden didn't release, then Trump again didn't fully release. And
Speaker 1: we've gotten some new documents recently, that's true, but we
Speaker 1: still don't have everything, and we still don't have full disclosure.
Speaker 1: We still have you know, non communicative and non cooperative
Speaker 1: government agencies still in violation of the JFK Records Collection Act,
Speaker 1: covering you know, the CYA and also not the CIA,
Speaker 1: the CYA if you will, of it all.
Speaker 2: And doing that.
Speaker 1: And for other reasons too, but anyway, who cares, right,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say thanks to Joan, and like
Speaker 1: I was saying, we were waiting for those documents, and
Speaker 1: I wanted her to do one last present.
Speaker 2: But her whole thing was she kept telling.
Speaker 1: Gabby and other people that were affiliated with Lancer that
Speaker 1: she would only do a presentation at the conference if
Speaker 1: she could talk about how stupid conferences were and how
Speaker 1: counterproductive all this was because the community had become such
Speaker 1: trash because.
Speaker 2: Judy Baker qa non trumpy people. She was sick of
Speaker 2: it all. And I get it.
Speaker 1: I really do albeit Lancer this year, and we'll see
Speaker 1: how it goes. If I make it to the end
Speaker 1: of the year and I'm still not homeless by then,
Speaker 1: I'll go to Texas on somebody else's dime. If not,
Speaker 1: I'll be probably gying to survive somewhere and not able
Speaker 1: to be gotten hold of.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll have to stay tuned and see what happens.
Speaker 1: But before any of that goes on, I wanted to
Speaker 1: pay tribute to Joan Mellon, who was a great ade author,
Speaker 1: intelligent person, great researcher, and absolutely indispensable contributor to the
Speaker 1: library of knowledge that is accessible to people regarding a
Speaker 1: great many historical events, but especially those of the assassinations
Speaker 1: of the sixties, the USS liberty, and various characters that
Speaker 1: are ancillary, tangential, or directly connected to those events.
Speaker 2: So Thank you, Joan. I wish yet.
Speaker 1: Stuck around just a little longer, and I guarantee she
Speaker 1: had another five books worth of stuff like just laying
Speaker 1: around her house. That would have been better than ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the authors that put out the junk they
Speaker 1: put out. Anyway, much love, Joan, you will be missed.
Speaker 1: I am hereli o'celly of you. Those of you who
Speaker 1: have supported me, have done what you can over these years.
Speaker 2: You are the effect.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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