WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.400 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.119 are your fave. It's so like, say subscribe and rade it. 3 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:16.120 I'm starck s and me. 4 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:19.559 Grates on us. 5 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:25.359 Today listening watching lim always keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:31.760 And now your host's Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay, Hey, Bobs, 7 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:37.840 excuse me, it's like he's here. Actually Bobo is not here. 8 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:44.520 That's Robo Bobo. Hey, Robo Bobo. For you, it's like 9 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:48.560 he's really here. Yeah, okay, but for real now hey, 10 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:51.679 everybody that's Cliff and Bobo is not here today. But 11 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:53.200 Matt pru It is, Hey, Matt, how you doing. 12 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:54.640 I'm good. How are you doing? 13 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:57.399 Oh I'm hanging in there, Amanda super busy as usual. 14 00:00:58.240 --> 00:00:58.439 Yeah. 15 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:01.479 So Bobo is tied up unfortunately right now, so he's 16 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:04.040 not going to make it tonight. He had something to 17 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:07.879 do with like some sort of like pigeon calling contests 18 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:11.040 or whatever, some underground pigeon calling contests. I can't really 19 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:12.719 talk about it. Bobo couldn't talk about it, and he 20 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:15.120 didn't hear it from me. So anyway, Yeah, something weird 21 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:17.480 is going on. So he's not going to be here tonight. 22 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:19.640 That's all right, that's right, we got it covered. This 23 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:21.760 isn't the first time, it won't be the last one, 24 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:26.280 for sure. It's like he's here. It's just like he's here. 25 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:29.799 But anyway, we do have somebody here. We have the 26 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:34.359 lovely and talented Shelley Covington, Montana, who's a super citizen scientist, 27 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:39.040 nerd into gathering all kinds of evidence. She's a trained tracker, 28 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:43.200 a trained naturalist, super fired enough about doing anything outdoors 29 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:45.599 at all and gathering information on it. So we're super 30 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:48.519 excited about that. Now. I don't know if Bobo would 31 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.719 mind if I do this interview by myself whatever, Cliff 32 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:56.799 can have it. Thanks Robo, Bobo. I appreciate it. And 33 00:01:56.879 --> 00:01:59.280 with that, let's bring in Shelley. So, Shelley, how are 34 00:01:59.319 --> 00:01:59.879 you doing today? 35 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:02.120 I'm doing great? How are you doing? 36 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:05.560 Doing all right? As usual, as all my listeners are, 37 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.719 all of our listeners know, I'm always spread too thin. 38 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:13.000 But such as life, Such as life. So I saw 39 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:14.400 you a couple of weeks ago in Ohio. How do 40 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:15.080 you think the gig win? 41 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:16.719 You know what? It was great. 42 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:23.000 I was very impressed by the audience and everybody there 43 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:26.879 were so nice, and it was just an opportunity for 44 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.280 me to get on the other side of the country 45 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:33.919 and you know, fresh fresh ideas, I guess for people. 46 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:38.759 I had a lot of great feedback. People were very 47 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:43.560 very receptive about my techniques and you know what, I 48 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:47.960 like to share and hopefully, you know, some of those 49 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:52.400 guys and ladies will come well. Actually I did have 50 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.599 a few tell me that they were they were highly 51 00:02:56.639 --> 00:03:00.759 influenced by ideas of nature journaling and getting into the 52 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.639 tracking field and to better educate themselves on how to 53 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:08.520 read you know, disturbances and things like that that can 54 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:09.080 help us. 55 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:11.800 You know, maybe figure out a little bit of what 56 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:12.960 isn't bigfoot? 57 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:15.280 Right, Yeah, that that seems to be the challenge for 58 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:17.439 a lot of people because if they're going bigfooting and 59 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:20.560 anything happens, they find anything, they see anything, it is 60 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:22.840 a big foot. And the number one thing you should 61 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:25.439 do is kind of eliminate that possibility, or eliminate every 62 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:28.159 other possibility I suppose before you come to the bigfoot 63 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.000 conclusion exactly. 64 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:33.479 I mean, that's you know that right there says it all. 65 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:37.319 I mean, it's bigfoot last, you know, and in my world, 66 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:41.439 and I feel that I'm just too old and I 67 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:45.199 just don't have enough time to play around with, you know, 68 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:48.879 one hundred different possibilities. How about we just get rid 69 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:52.840 of the most probable and then narrow it down. 70 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:53.919 To a few possibilities. 71 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:57.599 So these things that I love, as far as wildlife 72 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:01.439 tracking and DNA collection and thermal work and all of 73 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:04.439 that kind of stuff is really kind of you know, 74 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:08.159 in my in my mind, it's it's tools for my 75 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:12.840 tool build because I feel like we can always. 76 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:13.439 Have better tools. 77 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:18.199 You know, Whacking on trees and doing calls and stuff 78 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:23.480 is fun. But unless you see that that entity doing 79 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:28.240 those things, we still we still really can't assume that 80 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:31.759 it is one thing or another. And so I'm just 81 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:35.319 really interested and passionate about that citizen science stuff. It's 82 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:38.480 just way fun and it gets you connected to everything, 83 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:38.959 you know. 84 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:41.759 So yeah, we can all use we can all use 85 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:43.519 better tools, as you said, because I've been called a 86 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:45.800 tool lots of times, which means I should be doing better, 87 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:48.639 I think, well. 88 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:52.680 I've been called worse. I don't know that I've been 89 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:56.040 called a tool. But it's okay, you know, it's okay. 90 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:56.759 We are who we. 91 00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:00.000 Are, and and I think you're a great tool. 92 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:07.720 You're a great tool. You're a good bad asset asset, 93 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:10.759 that's right. That's better than ass hat. I'm usually only 94 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:12.680 half of that, right, right. 95 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:16.680 But there are things like so one of the things 96 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:19.439 I'll always remember you telling me, or say you weren't 97 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:23.399 even telling me. I think you were giving a speech 98 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:27.079 at a conference or presentation, and I remember you saying 99 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:32.439 to put your game cameras near the people's stuff, you know, 100 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:37.160 the human stuff, and like not out in the middle 101 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:39.920 of the woods, per se, because it doesn't. 102 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:41.759 Belong there and things will know it doesn't. 103 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.720 And I always resonated with that, you know, I felt 104 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:49.560 like that's really a great that's just a great tool 105 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:53.040 for me, you know, is to think along those lines 106 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:56.439 of And that's one of the things that I wanted 107 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:59.600 to talk about today as we get into whatever you 108 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.079 all want want to talk about, but was why aren't 109 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:07.399 we getting better pictures, you know, with game cams and thermals? 110 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:11.600 And I'm kind of dabbling in some things that I've 111 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:13.519 been thinking about for years and years and years that 112 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:18.000 have bothered me, or I've questioned why why do they 113 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:18.360 do this? 114 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:20.120 What is you know? From signings? 115 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:23.519 Before we get to that, it just occurred to me 116 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:25.720 that we're just hanging out because you and I know 117 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:27.680 each other. We've known each other for years, you know, 118 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:31.600 but there's probably some listeners who don't know you. And 119 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:35.480 I very often forget if I don't know all of 120 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:37.560 our listeners have heard me say this lots of times. 121 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:40.360 I forget anybody else's listening, but for the sake of 122 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:43.040 the people who actually are listening, because I just remember 123 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:45.560 that some people are actually listening to this. Can you 124 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:50.279 give a nutshell version, like a brief paragraph, tell us 125 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:52.319 a little bit about like who you were, and then 126 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:55.560 I want to know about how you've grown since last 127 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.439 time you were on the podcast. 128 00:06:57.759 --> 00:06:58.079 Yeah. 129 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:03.000 So my name is Shelly Covington, Montana and I'm from Texas. 130 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:04.759 I'm not from Montana. I get that a lot. 131 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:11.160 But and I've been married for almost forty years to 132 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:15.519 my wonderful husband, Don Covington. He is wonderful, yes, yes, 133 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:20.000 And he had an encounter in the eighties here in Texas, 134 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:23.319 and I've known him all my life since I was fourteen, 135 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.639 and I kept hearing this crazy story how he got 136 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:29.279 ran out of the woods by something. He really wouldn't 137 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:31.480 speculate too much about it. 138 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:32.240 But finally I. 139 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.519 Figured out what he was talking about and asked him 140 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:37.639 if it was bigfoot, and he said, well, I just 141 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:40.240 didn't want to think it was crazy. So that just 142 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:44.800 kind of launched me into this world of what the 143 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:46.839 heck is this because I knew he was telling me 144 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:50.560 the truth. And you know, by that time, this was 145 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:54.360 like two thousand and ten ish, I think, and by 146 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:58.279 that time I was our children already grown and gone, 147 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:00.959 you know, to college and. 148 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:05.879 Out of the house, and I had my background. 149 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:12.839 You know, I consider myself, while laft enthusiast, I don't 150 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:15.720 like to call myself a researcher. I don't know that 151 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:20.480 I've earned that, but I am very in tune with 152 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:25.040 the outdoors. I consider that more of a place I 153 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:28.319 love and feel comfortable. And then, you know, the big city, 154 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.639 even though I lived near one. I was a cosmetics 155 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:39.559 vendor for years and a flooris before that, so I 156 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.399 kind of did my big footstuff in the summers. My 157 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:45.600 job allowed me to where I take off for the 158 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:48.000 whole summer and I go to the Pacific Northwest year 159 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:50.679 after year, and eventually it just got to where I 160 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.600 just quit doing the cosmic thing. It just was too much. 161 00:08:54.919 --> 00:09:01.440 It wasn't my passion anymore. So I really focused on 162 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:05.440 what could help me do what was because what I 163 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:07.600 was saying before there, I just felt there were no 164 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:12.600 real tools for people like us that, you know, other 165 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:15.840 than maybe some game cameras and hitting the tree and 166 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:17.159 recorders and such. 167 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.360 But I felt like it just needed. 168 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.320 To be more, especially for me, because I wanted to 169 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:27.960 find answers. And so my dad is a retired law 170 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:31.879 enforcement officer, and I knew you would be expecting, you know, 171 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:33.360 factual things for me. 172 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.279 Why am I doing this in the first place. 173 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:41.080 So I really just delved into wildlife DNA keds and 174 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.679 what was out there and what was available because everybody 175 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:47.080 was talking about DNA and collecting DNA, and I noticed 176 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:48.799 that people were doing a kind. 177 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:51.559 Of a crazy job at it, like picking it up 178 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:57.279 with their hands and such, and so I delved into that. 179 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:01.039 And that's been kind of the hill I've been preaching on, 180 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.000 I guess since around twenty thirteen or fourteen, and. 181 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:10.200 Today the kids are able to collect. 182 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:14.519 Any kind of DNA really and I'm still learning and 183 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:20.360 it's really pushed me into just being more educated. But 184 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:23.720 in the sense of this also led me down the 185 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:27.840 path of getting certified as a wildlife trucker, and. 186 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:30.600 I'm a level two. That doesn't mean much. That means 187 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:31.559 I'm mediocre. 188 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:37.159 I'm no expert, but my mind and my eyes can 189 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:41.799 see detail that I was walking past every day in 190 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:46.639 the woods, and to help me just sweep out what 191 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:52.639 the most possible is and focus on things that are 192 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:57.519 different or even new. Let's say I'm a known species 193 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.519 doing a known behavior behavior in a different region. 194 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:04.440 And then nature journaling I got. 195 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.720 Really into that and how that is a form of 196 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:12.879 data collection where I sit down and I draw tracks 197 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:17.720 so that I can memorize facts of tracks. That way, 198 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.759 I can tell you if you know, or tell myself, Okay, 199 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:22.679 this is what I see, and this is why this 200 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:27.039 is not a dog man track or or a wolf 201 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:27.639 track or. 202 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:29.039 Any of those things. 203 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:33.480 But also nature journally, let's say, uh, you're really into 204 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:37.600 tree structures, which you know, I don't know, but a 205 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:42.320 nature journal los And what that does is it starts 206 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:47.320 to get your mind to notice detail, to ask better questions, 207 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:50.600 Like you know, there's three questions you should ask. 208 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:52.600 Yourself when you're journaling in nature. 209 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:55.120 Because those are those are things that will start to 210 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:57.960 move you outside of what you already know, which is 211 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:03.039 I wonder I notice and it reminds me of and 212 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:09.919 so I do these these tree structure journaling things, you know, 213 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:17.519 and maybe let's say in ten years we discover that 214 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:21.000 sasquatch is proven. You know, it's proven, and they have 215 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.480 no data. Well what if they do make tree structures 216 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:27.840 or if they don't, there's your data, you know, no 217 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.639 matter what. If you're making, you know, journaling things like 218 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:36.240 this that you believe, let's say it's it's it's sasquatch 219 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:37.879 beds or nets or whatever. 220 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:39.919 If you're finding those. 221 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:43.799 In journaling them and asking those three questions, and just 222 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:50.360 continue pushing yourself to ask better questions, it's gonna be data, 223 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:52.360 whether it is sasquatch or not. 224 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:54.559 It's data of something. I mean. 225 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.720 We have a friend, Kim Morale, his wife Miriam, she's 226 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:04.000 a retired firefight and she is she nature journals almost 227 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:06.360 full time. She's written a book about it. But she 228 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:12.120 natured journals fire and wildlife fires and what causes them, 229 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:16.240 what the effects are, how they work. It is amazing 230 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:21.320 and no one's ever done that. So these basic tools, 231 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:25.840 getting back to the basic citizens science arts, which is 232 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:29.519 you know I believe tracking was the very first science 233 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:34.600 and art. I think we probably were scavengers before we 234 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:38.720 were hunter gatherers, and we had to follow animals the scavenge. 235 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:40.519 Off of them. And how did we do that? 236 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:43.840 We tracked them and we learned the morphology, and we 237 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:46.759 learned how they moved, and we learned the behaviors. And 238 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:50.519 when your mind starts opening up to those things, you 239 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.799 see a whole new world. And I can never learn enough. 240 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:57.679 And where I was when I first started, when I 241 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:01.000 first did your podcast and today is just that I'll 242 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:07.919 continue to go out educate myself. I continue to go 243 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.799 and be certified over and over and learn more things 244 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:13.039 in different regions. 245 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.000 When you stay certified over and over, do you mean 246 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:19.320 re certified or certifying in a higher degrees in that 247 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:21.600 same skill or what do you mean by that both? 248 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:27.679 I mean so in the certifications, there's level one, two, three, 249 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:31.879 and four, and then there's professional and there's specialists, and 250 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:37.279 then there's what we call trailing certifications. Now, trailing is 251 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:43.279 when you actually follow tracks and sign and you only 252 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:48.399 pass when you find the animal that's made those tracks inside. 253 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:50.639 So at the end here he is. 254 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:55.559 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 255 00:14:55.559 --> 00:15:03.840 Bogo will be right back after these messages. So three 256 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.320 to six months doesn't seem like a long time right 257 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.440 in bigfoot Land. It's not very long because we've been 258 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:12.480 looking for sasquatches for decades and decades and decades. But 259 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:14.240 when you think about what can happen in three to 260 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:16.600 six months, like, what would you do in three to 261 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:18.759 six months? 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And something about the nature journaling that I'd 305 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:22.000 like to put in here, and I'm sure I mentioned 306 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:23.759 it last time you were on, is that you know 307 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:28.759 science as a as a very very broad field, shall 308 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.160 we say, is fairly new. Two hundred years ago there 309 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:35.279 weren't scientists. They were called naturalists. I think we often 310 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:37.480 forget because we have iPhones and computers and we think 311 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.839 we're pretty fancy, but we're not at all. You know, 312 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:41.920 two hundred years ago we didn't know germs existed. One 313 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:43.839 hundred and fifty years we didn't know germs existed. We 314 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:47.759 are in our infancy of scientific understanding. But before that, 315 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:52.599 the baby steps of getting to the point where humans 316 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:57.599 could be considered scientists, that was all. They were naturalists 317 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:01.960 at the time, and can you image where we would 318 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:08.000 be without Like Charles Darwin's journals, he was basically nature 319 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:10.680 journaling essentially is what he is people. And I think 320 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.920 that's a stumbling block for people in the Bigfoot community 321 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:16.680 who want to be more scientific. They think that it's 322 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:20.200 all XL sheets and numbers and stuff, and sure that exists, 323 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:25.319 but the nature journaling side is truly the root of 324 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:29.599 all that, and that is extraordinarily useful and valid data. 325 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.279 I think of Tom Shae for example. Tom Shay has 326 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:36.839 several piles of two to three feet tall of spiral 327 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:39.400 notebooks and when he goes out he writes the day, 328 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:41.799 the temperature of the weather, if you find something or not. 329 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:46.759 It's set very very basic stuff, a treasure trove of information, 330 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.200 and anybody can do this. People say, what's the most 331 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.680 important piece of gear I can get, thinking that it's 332 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.359 a thermal No, it's a spiral notebook or something that's rights. 333 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:57.799 And think about it this way. 334 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:02.519 All the pictographs we see throughout the desert that was 335 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:03.559 nature journaling. 336 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.720 So you're exactly right. And the nature journaling and. 337 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:12.200 The tracking it can be as elementary as you want. 338 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:16.720 Anybody can do it. You know that the master trackers 339 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:20.480 that the group I'm working, I work with or I'm 340 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:25.119 certified by, is called CyberTracker dot org and the cyber 341 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:29.079 is kind of misleading because this was all created by 342 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:36.759 gentlemen who realized that the tracking art master tracking art 343 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:41.279 was dying and we needed it for conservation all over 344 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:45.839 the world. So he went to Africa and learned from 345 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:51.640 the last of the last, who still don't actually read 346 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.079 and write, but track. 347 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:55.440 Because that's how they live every day. 348 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:59.400 We don't live like that, right, And so he was 349 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.839 trying to help with the sense of them being able 350 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:07.200 to collect data because they knew the landscape, they knew 351 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.880 the region, they knew everything that was going on in 352 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:14.079 their countries, and to help with poaching, you know, to 353 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:15.720 stop poaching and conservation. 354 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:17.960 So they gave them these little units. 355 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:21.119 That were they call them cyber units, that had just 356 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:24.960 little icons on them so they could press in the data. 357 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:30.960 So it is for anybody, you know, five year old 358 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:33.839 up to one hundred and five year olds. Everybody and 359 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:37.880 anybody can do this and it is essential. Like you said, 360 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:40.960 I mean the most some of the most important discoveries 361 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:44.200 to this day are done by people like us who 362 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:48.079 are not sitting behind a cubicle or you know, in 363 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.680 a in a university who those are great and very 364 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:57.519 needed individuals. But we're not held by bounds of how 365 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:01.200 to ouput it, rules and grants. You know, we're free 366 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:03.039 and the government needs this. 367 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:06.559 You know, imprisoned by what is going to make somebody 368 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:08.839 else money and that somebody else is paying them to 369 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:11.799 do the research. That's one of the neatest things about it. 370 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:13.640 In fact, that's one of the things that initially drew 371 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:16.839 me into the bigfoot field. Is that back in the day, 372 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:19.000 you know, when I was twenty two years old or 373 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:20.960 twenty three years old, however, it was when I started 374 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:24.000 taking this seriously, I was an amateur and still am 375 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:26.240 an amateur astronomer. I've got a pretty nice scope and 376 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:29.880 everything else, you know, I love, and the vast majority 377 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:34.400 of new comets and asteroids are discovered by amateurs. And 378 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:38.559 because the professionals will telescope time is expensive and grant 379 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:40.519 money is hard to get and all that sort of stuff, 380 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:45.480 And the sasquash field is exactly the same, exactly the same. 381 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:49.200 There's way more amateurs like us, like me out there 382 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:51.519 and you doing this sort of thing than there are 383 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:54.920 primatologists who take it seriously and can spend time in 384 00:21:54.960 --> 00:22:00.440 the field. It's up to us because they can't do it. 385 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.920 It's not some weird conspiracy where they're ignoring and they're 386 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:06.279 trying to hide this and they're misleading you and they're 387 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.279 lying to you, like some of the crazies are saying 388 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:11.680 out there. But it is just a matter of facts, 389 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:14.359 like those people are busy and we're the ones with 390 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:17.279 spare time, and so we can go do it, which 391 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:20.799 is all the more reason for us to up our game. Yeah. 392 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:25.599 Absolutely, And this is what my I feel like. If 393 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.559 it fail her to, you know, pass. 394 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:30.039 Tomorrow, what would my legacy be? 395 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:32.519 And I would hope it would be that I helped 396 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:37.599 influence the younger generation or anybody to look at what 397 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:42.039 we do as the scientific side in the citizens science 398 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:44.480 field or whatever you want to call it. I've heard 399 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:48.279 that's even an offensive term, but I don't care to. 400 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:54.359 Where we are just benefiting the possibility people getting out 401 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:58.440