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Speaker 2: Now here is your host, DJ Leaves. All right, we

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get ready for a weekend that has a very interesting slate,

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including a world title fight in my neck of the

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woods in Florida and interesting fight in the boxer main

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event in England. We've got one of the premiere personalities

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in all of boxing. We're going to play part of

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a conversation that Dan Rayfield had with Bob Aaron. We

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got a lot news, nostalgia and morri It's the Big

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Fight Weekend preview. Hello there, I am merely the somewhat

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capable host TJ. Reeves. He is the insider, Dan Rayfield,

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Big Fight Weekend dot Com, his fight Freaks Unite, substack,

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busy program here with a lot going on. How you

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feeling as we head towards the weekend here in October?

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Speaker 1: I feel a lot better than my son, who has

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no moon yet presently.

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Speaker 2: Oh soarly in quarantine, Young Rayfield.

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Speaker 1: Not so much a quarantine, but driving Dawn a little

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nuts in the house while mine's gonna work.

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Speaker 2: I understand. We got to get him feeling better, get

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him on the meds. We got a lot to go over,

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including a Japanese fight card that was on Monday. After

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we released our weekend recap podcast. Dan's going to recap

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it here in a moment. First follow, subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify,

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give us a five star review if you love this.

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We preview going into the weekend, we recap coming off

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the weekend. Let me say up front, the full Bob

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the whole interview on this podcast, but I pledge this

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to the audience. This is what you got to subscribe,

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be on the feed. We'll have the full interview up Saturday.

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On this weekend. There's a tease you'll hear part of

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it now, but you'll hear the full thing where Rayfield's

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covering at all, including whether the Yankees are gonna win

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the World Series. Is Aaron like the Yankees or not?

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I don't even know pop quiz, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But he does.

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Speaker 2: He does not deal with That's the only thing you

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Speaker 1: The Aaron's a die hard still to this even though

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he lives in Las Vegas, hold season tickets to the

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New York Football Giants, so he and I die on

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the Giants every week.

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Speaker 2: That is also not on the pod, but everything else

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is basically fair game on that interview.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, just in terms of that, Aaron,

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we're gonna play a little bit about the Better BV

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in the thoughts that fight as the promoter of h

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are there Better bea But Bob and I spoke this

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week on Wednesday for about an hour, wow, and we

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chopped it up on everything. I had called him because

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on Better Bevan, Bevol and UH and get his take

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on on what's what was going on with that and

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and Bevol's seeking a rematch and just just basically that.

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And they'd also just formally announced. We've talked about it

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really go over it again today, but we spoke a

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bit about the December seventh card that they have official,

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with the rematch being Navarette and Oscar Valdez as well

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as the rematch between Raphael Espinoza and Robasi Ramire is

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an excellent way for them to close out their American

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fight cards for twenty twenty four. But it turned into

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so and I figure we'll talk about a few other things.

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So we went over everything that there is going on.

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I'm just gonna they'll hear everything on the phone interview.

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bovle on this show. But we're talked about I'm looking

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at my list here better be of bevol We talked

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about the whole fucked up thing with the zone and

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the prospect of a Junto Nakatani fight. We're gonna recap

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Nakatani's win from a few days ago. Uh. We talked

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about that December seventh card that they close out the

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year with in the United States. Tremendous card of rematches.

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loss because he's with Top Rank when he got knocked

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next for the unified middleweight title holder, janebec. We talked

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about the rumors of Lomachenko's possible retirement. We talked about

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contractual situation. We talked about the hometown debut and bringing

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fighters to their hometown, particularly related to what's upcoming in

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November with Keishaan Davis returning to have his first pro

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fight and his first main event in Norfolk, Virginia. And

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we talked about their outstanding documentary series of shows on

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what their plans are for broadcast. We covered a lot

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Speaker 2: You talked about everything but the Yankees, the Giants, and

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the presidential if you want that, go somewhere else. But

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So chronologically, we have this Japanese fight card that had

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several world title fights on it, headlined by Nakatani's win

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over this opponent, Chip Atana. If that's how you say it,

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that the opponent from Thailand. Correct, So give me a

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recap of that and the other fights because since last

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week talked that happened on Monday in Japan. Go ahead

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Nakatani was the main event. He was

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defending the WBC Bantamway title. I mean, Nakatani is one

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of the few fighters I'll wake up early to watch,

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know how much I love the Japanese card. We discussed

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a million times and they have a lot of outstanding

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talent right now in Japan. It's really, I think a

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golden age of boxing in Japan. They've got numerous world champions,

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lots of exciting fighters, fighters who are at a level

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where they'll be able to compete. To me, anyway, it

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history is showing that some of the Japanese champions haven't

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traveled that well. I believe there's plenty of guys that

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anybody Europeans, Americans, Mexicans, you name it. But Na Katani

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and watch any time. And Nakatani he's now twenty nine

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to twenty two knockouts, and to me anyway, he's now

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broken through as a top top ten type pound for

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pound caliber fighter. And you know, he may not have

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the big names on his resume, but if you watch him,

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you know he's fucking good. And he took out Chip

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to the side of the head, you know, and he

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good puncher, outstanding training team, you know, with Rudy Hernandez,

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who he's been with for years, and he just looked

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the you know what the what the game plan is

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three fights, and the prospect of that mega fight with

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Nakatani taking place in Japan sometime next probably like next summer.

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to win, but that's a huge fight. But na Katani

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had to take care of his business before any of that,

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and I would suspect he'll fight at least one more

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time between now and then. Anyway, he's a pleasure to

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watch and this was just another type of experience of

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which just watch him absolutely pummel and destroy a guy.

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a well known guy, and he, you know, like many

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of these Taigland feders, he has about three different names

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he goes by. He's now seventy six wins and two

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losses with fifty three knockouts, so in seventy nine professional

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fights are seventy eight seventy eight pfeational fights, two losses

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and the only time he ever got stopped was by

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Nakatani So and he's not an old fighter. He's thirty

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and eight, they know, it's just the way they do

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things in Thailand. They don't necessarily fight the big names

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of their country and they fight for regional titles on

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that sort of thing. But he did not travel all

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a decision challenging to Kuma in a way for at

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the time, what was the WBC's intern dantamway title and

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he lost one seventeen to one eleven on all three scorecards.

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they matched up against the same opponent. Remember, there was

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a lot of talk that before for Nakatani would fight

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Noya in a way, he would fight Takuma in a

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unification fight. And Theakuma lost on that Saturday card in

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the guy that that know that Takuma went the distance

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with in a title fight of sorts. Uh, Nakatani absolutely

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destroyed with devastating punches in the second in the you know,

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in the sixth round for the only knockout loss of

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the guy's career. So that was the main event of

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the show and it was a great performance. And uh,

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you know, we don't have to get spend a lot

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of time on the rest of it, but just to

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shoot down the list here he had at tension Nasakawa,

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who's the kickboxer who everybody thinks is going to be

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something excellent in the junior featherweight slash band to weight division.

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He fought as abandonmweight in a regional title. He rolled

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to a decision over a Jerwin a Celo. This was

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an upset you had. Kosei Tanaka was defending the w

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BOS Junior bantam white title, lost a split decision, but

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a legit split decision against a fighter named fumalay Lela

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Cafu from South Africa put on a tremendous performance in

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a big win for him, him and his team. And

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then you have the Nakatani stablemate also with Rudy Hernandez,

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the trainer Anthony Olaskagua, who was making the first offense

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of the WBO Flyway title that he had won on

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one of these Japanese undercards back a couple of months ago,

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and he took on the former one awaight title. There

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Jonathan Gonzales, and you know, competitively, you're like, okay, this

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could be a competitive fight. Alas Coaga, this tremendous offensive

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fighter comes forward, likes to mix it up. Gonzales more

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of a boxer, more of a slickster, more of a

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guy that's gonna move. And you know see the style

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clash there. Unfortunately, there was not a style clash. There

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was a head clash in the first round, and Gonzalez

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suffered a cut, and you know, he didn't really have

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the body language it seemed like he wanted to continue.

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and they ended up stopping the fight in round one

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for a no contest because it happened before the four

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rounds were completed. But the reality is, if you watch that,

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round one. They never even are not they Gonzalez never

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even seemed to even want to give his corner the

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chance to see what they could do. It wasn't that

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bad of a cut. It didn't seem like it was

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going into his eye. And the commentators, you know, Christina

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Poncher and Nico Ali Walsh who were calling the fight

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for a top rank on ESPN Plus, who, by the way,

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shout out to them, did a tremendous job of doing

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all those fights on the two days, and they do

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Speaker 2: The middle of the night Pacific time zone, by the way, too.

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Speaker 1: They did a really good job with that. But you know,

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and and they're not ones to criticize now Nico, he's

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a professional boxer and Christina has been covering sport for

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a long time. But even they were like back and

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forth on the Bronco like, does he want to be

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a fighter? Gonzalez like this was he just didn't seem

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like he wanted to be there. And it's a disappointment

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because he's had other issues that have come up. So

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I felt so bad for Alis Glauber. You put in

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that hard camp. If you go in there and you

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get a first roun knockout, great, But to have an

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end like that on a headbut where the other guy

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seems to just want a way out of the fight,

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that's a little sketchy. You look questionable. So, you know,

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Gonzalez I think needs to think about what he wants

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to do with his rest of his career and they

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hopefully can get als Kagua after that. I'm thinking maybe

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they can get him back in on the in away

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under card in December, get him back real quick, to

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not let that training camp go to waste and get

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the kid. You know, another guy that's coming to actually

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fight him. So that was your Japanese card that ended,

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by the way, that two day stretch where they had

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you know, eight of the fights on ESPN plus seven

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of them were world title fights with some of the

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best out there in the in the in the Japanese

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boxing community, and there was a whole bunch of good fights,

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and I love those shows.

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Speaker 2: Love that all right, it is a preview pod, So

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let's get into the preview mode as we do this

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Thursday evening into Friday morning. As we released the pod

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overnight Thursday. The IBF Junior Middleweight world title fight Bakram

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martaz Alaiev and Tim Zu happening in my part of

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the world, Dan Rayphield regionally in Orlando, Florida. They had

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the final press conference on Thursday for Bakrum making the

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defense against Zoo, who when last we saw him, speaking

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of nastiness, nasty cut still is the avatar by the way,

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on your social media, I mean, are you just trying

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to gross the public out? I mean, I know it's

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Halloween coming out, but you know what.

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Speaker 1: You listened back to the interview that I had with

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Tim that we played on the podcast. You know, a

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couple of shows ago, I actually mentioned to Tim that

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I had his picture of him with the cut on

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my social and he's kind of got a kick out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so he has recovered surgically plastic surgery

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from that, these guys get ready for a twelve round

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bout that Let's be honest, I mean, Zoo derailed by

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the gash on the head and the loss of Sebastian Fundora.

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There were big things planned, and now this is a

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big moment where he's got to get back a portion

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of the title here and get back into those big

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plans and into those big talks. Are they thought in

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the preview mode coming up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a real critical fight for Tim Zoo

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because the Fundora fight. I'm sure I'm not alone. I

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felt like he was on his way to a crushing

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knockout loss against Sebastian Vandora the way he dominated the first.

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Speaker 2: Two knockout win you mean, I mean, yeah, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: Knock that way exactly. And then unfortunately the cut happened. Then,

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you know, and and Fandora had problems too with the nose,

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and they both showed tremendous heart. It was a tremendous fight,

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great fight. This was back in March. Can't can't really

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afford two consecutive losses in these types of high stakes

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fights without suffering some kind of consequences in terms of

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your marketability, your earning power where you are on the card.

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It's a very important fight for Tim Zuo, but I

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think he's up for it. I mean, he sounded like

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it when I talked to him. I've saw the body

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language at the press conference, I must say, though. I

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mean I watched the press conference on on the PBC's

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YouTube channel, and let me tell you, I I think

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I literally might have dozed off doing so. It was

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I can only hope that the fight and I have

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pretty high hopes that the fight's gonna be way better

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than that press converence. Sometimes it's the opposite.

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Speaker 2: We see them again language. We know that as a

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as a Russian.

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Speaker 1: But it's not even just that. It was the whole thing,

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the undercart.

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Speaker 2: But all right, so let's go on it like this.

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What does this fight in your mind come down to? What? What?

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What does Zoo have to do? Well? Will Handicap have

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to fight and make picks on Friday on the US

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Boxing show? Well, what's the rob here? What's the fight?

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Come down to no.

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Speaker 1: This comes down to man O Almano, I mean Mano

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Amano toughness. You know who's gonna take it. Because these

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guys are come forward fighters, they can slug it out.

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I do think that Tim Zoo has got a little

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more versatility and a little more skill, probably quicker. But

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Bachram is no bum. He's he's heavy handed, He's got

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some ability also, and he is undefeated as well, and

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he's coming off you know, I won't say spectacular, but

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a a really excellent performance. Remember he had been a

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long time mandatory for Jamel Charlow and you know that

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fight yet getting put off. They had a deal with PBC.

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You know he's with Main Events. They did step aside

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deals multiple times. He fought on some of the PBC

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undercards to keep active. He made good money doing so.

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And when it finally came to do the fight, this

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is post Charlowe's loss to Canelo, when he was supposed

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to come back down to the junior midleweight division, the

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DIBA finally scheduled they purstally because they were not able

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to make the deal, which was kind of surprising given

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the business that Main Events and PBC had been doing

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to have him continue to lea step aside. But Charlotte

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just you know, he didn't either didn't want to fight,

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did have a big name, his opponent didn't wanted to

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keep making that way. Whatever, it didn't come as a surprise,

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and on the day the person he vacated, and so

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Bachram then was the next up for the vacant title.

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So he traveled to Germany to his opponent's home area

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in Falconcy, Germany, and he put on an excellent performance.

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He knocked out cul K in the eleventh round. It

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was a hard hitting fight, but he dominated for the

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most part, was way up on at least one score card.

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The other ones were a little more generous, it seemed today,

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but nonetheless it was a very definitive ending. He's a

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good puncher. He is twenty two and zho with sixteen knockouts,

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and so you ask about how the fight goes, I

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believe these guys are going to be in the center

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of the ring slugging it out. I mean, maybe Zoo

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will try to employ some boxing ability, knowing that he's

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going to be quicker and a little more skillful than

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his opponent. But Bachram, the one thing he did say

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through translator at the press conference, was about how he

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just looks to being in the middle of the ringion

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and you know, going at him, that he's not going

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to run and hide, He's going to be there to

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fight the guy. And that's what you want to see

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and just for people realize and recognizes this. So far

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since the union of PBC and Prime Video, every event

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that they have done, which is not even that many,

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they've all been pay per views. Tank Davis pay per views,

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Cane paper views, Fundora Versus Zoo pay per view. It's

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all been pay per view. This is the first finally,

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almost a year after they announced their and their alignment together.

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or that they had made a deal back in December

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of last year, and now here we are in October

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the following year, so it's ten months later and finally,

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really eleven months, I guess they finally are doing a

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non pay per view and that is the main event.

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So this does not cost any extra money. You have

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Prime Video, you get this fight on your Prime Video.

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You also get the two undercards, two of the undercard,

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two of the undercard fights. That's the excellent one fifty

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four pound prospect Unstas against Johan Gonzalez, who's a good puncher,

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and Caesar Matteo Tappy against injury Savedra that is a

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middleweight fight. So I know those are not big names

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of the two undercard fights I mentioned you, but they

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seem to be good on paper in terms of what

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they can produce action wise, but main event. Honestly, again,

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the press conference might have been sleep inducing, but to

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fight us up, I believe is going to be a

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very fun, entertaining battle for.

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Speaker 2: A host from your lips to what we see with

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the fists. Because I am headed there my friend to

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the carib Royale Casino and Resort in Orlando, again about

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sixty seventy miles from me, so I will be ol

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on location. You are frequently ol for us on the pod,

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on the site, et cetera. I will be OL for

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us and let's see if we get some action. Because

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from my standpoint, I've watched Tim Zoo obviously from Australia

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from Afar. How am I going to pass up the

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opportunity to have the guy regionally close to me and

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not make every effort it works with my schedule the

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Buccaneers don't play on Sunday, they don't play the money

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night football. I'm anxious to get over there and see

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do these guys mix it up? Exactly what you said, yea,

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the IBF one hundred and fifty four pound title, So

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we're both intrigued by that, and again will handicap it

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more on the bet US Live show one Eastern time,

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but on on Friday.

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Speaker 1: The other thing about it, by the way, is that

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the winner of the fight is going to have a

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lot of different opportunities, I believe because the one hundred

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and fifty four pound way class has got a lot

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of good, attractive fights in there. You know, I know

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that Tim Zoo, if you go back a few months ago,

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was originally supposed to fight Virgial Artis on the riann

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season card that was going to that was in Los

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Angeles where the main event was Terrence Crawford against Israel Majima,

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but because the scalp laceration had not healed, he was

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ruled out. So he has made a point that yeah,

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if we can do it, I would love to fight

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virgual Arties by Bakram Wins, maybe that would be a possibility.

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You know, those sides can certainly do business with one another.

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There's not a lot of you know, issues in terms

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of the promotional stuff there. But you also have Fondora,

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who's out there, who's going to be coming back. There's

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a lot of conversations he's allowed. Now the they just

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did the thing we talked about it where the the

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order of a fight between Sebastian Fandora and Terrence Crawford.

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They've made a deal and Crawford is doing whatever he's

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gonna do, not really determined. But Fondora is gonna fight

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an optional defense. He can't he's got to fight somebody

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in the top fifteen, so that will rule out in

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Aerol Spence fight. But who knows what his next fight's

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gonna be, But it could be a Tim Zuo fight.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they'll do a their rematch, right right.

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Speaker 1: That's sitting out there, and so and then if you

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go further down to the way class, there's other really

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attractive fights. So this is a fight that's good on

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its own, but should certainly lead the winner to something

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even more interesting.

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Speaker 2: I believe I like it. One other noteworthy fight card,

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and that is the Boxer show in the UK that

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will be Saturday afternoon US time, where Adam Azeem, hard

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hitting junior welterweight, is fighting veteran O'Hara Davies. Tell me

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more about besides what I just let it in with,

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more about this bout and what we're looking forward to Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, a Ziem is a prospect that

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I've enjoyed, an excellent young fighter from England. He's only

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twenty two years old. This fight will take place in

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London and as you mentioned, it is the main event,

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and that's the type of fan base and the backing

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that Azeem has from Sky Sports in the UK. It's

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obviously peacock here they simulcast the boxer shows. He was

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supposed to fight Harlem eu Bank, who was the nephew

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of Chris U Banks Senior, and they had announced it.

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They faced him off in the ring back earlier in

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the year, and for reasons that have never really been

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made clear to me, it did not happen. I don't

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know if there was I guess there was much of

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be an injury or something like that, but they did

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not reschedule it and instead, so Azeem has been out

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of the ring since February, which is not a long stretch,

475
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but for a young fighter like the way he had

476
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been active, it seems a little bit longer than you

477
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would have thought it would have been. Now, in Ohara Davies,

478
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you got a guy who's coming off a absolutely one

479
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,240
sided first round knockout loss against Israel Barroso in a

480
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fight that he was a heavy favorite to win. That

481
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was in an interim title fight he had signed with

482
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Golden Boy. I thought he's gonna do big things. He

483
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,839
was talking a lot of shit and it was over

484
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and out one minute and fifty three seconds.

485
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Speaker 2: I remember. The excuse is he said it was too

486
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noisy in his hotel room in the casino and the oxygen.

487
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I don't know that we've ever heard this. The oxygen

488
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,000
is somehow different because it's a casino and that affected him.

489
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So this is whatever, whatever you buy on that for

490
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him getting knocked out in one round less than one.

491
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Speaker 1: But the thing is, the thing that's crazy is that Davies,

492
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while he may not be like a super elite world

493
00:22:28,839 --> 00:22:33,160
championship fighter for Zing, for Veroso, who's a good puncher,

494
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,599
but an old man as we all know, to knock

495
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him that in one round was surprising. Only because even

496
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when O'Hara Davies had lost previously, it was against the

497
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best fighters out there. He got stopped in the seventh

498
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round by Josh Taylor in twenty seventeen. Obviously, Josh went

499
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on to become the undisputed champion in that weight class.

500
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In twenty eighteen, he lost a close decision to Jack Catterall,

501
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who is emerged as a guy that a lot of

502
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people thought beat Josh Taylor in their first fight, did

503
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beat him in the second fight, and is now on

504
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his way to fight Regis Program, who you're going to

505
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,359
hear from in an interview coming up on our Sunday

506
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,960
Night podcast as he heads into that fight next week.

507
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,640
Right anyway, So Davies, though, my question is this you're

508
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looking you see first round knockout loss to broso you're like,

509
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is that what he is now or is that just

510
00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:24,440
one of those things that happened. I mean, it always

511
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rings in my mind. The legendary top rank matchmaker Bruce Trampler,

512
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,799
hall of famer, one of the guys in boxing who

513
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I have as much respect for as anybody. His opinion.

514
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Actually was happy when I was in Vegas recently to

515
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,079
go and hang out and spend some time with Bruce

516
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for a couple hours. Anyway, Bruce will talk to you

517
00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:44,400
all the time about you know, you shouldn't really take

518
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first round knockout wins or first round knockout losses all

519
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that seriously, you know, generally speaking. And so I wonder

520
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for a fighter like Davis who's shown the ability to

521
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,400
go deep into fights with the elite fighters, was that

522
00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:01,039
a anomaly getting knocked out Barroso win in the first round.

523
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:03,480
Who is a good puncher, And how is Azeem going

524
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:05,440
to handle him? Is he taking him lightly because of that?

525
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So I am intrigued from that stay.

526
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Speaker 2: Was it the hotel oxygen? We're about to find out.

527
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:13,000
We're about to find out when Azem gets his hands

528
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:13,279
on him.

529
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Speaker 1: I mean, say what you want. Azeem is eight eleven

530
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,000
and ohero with eight knockdouts, a tremendous young fighter on paper,

531
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,519
this does seem like this should be his most stiff test,

532
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:26,799
even if you can get past that first roun knackut.

533
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,519
You know, he does have the win against Poulsen where

534
00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:33,119
he was the UH defended the European title. He beat

535
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,240
you know, Frank Pettigen, who had been in the ring

536
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,440
with some other good guys uh in a in winning

537
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:40,920
the European title, but other than that, the other fighters

538
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,119
on his record are there's nothing there. So I don't know, man,

539
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,759
I want to see can Azeem do do it, do

540
00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:48,519
what Barroso did or even stop him at all?

541
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Speaker 4: Uh?

542
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Speaker 1: Or or if Davies is remotivated and and there's no

543
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,440
issues with the airflow you know going on this flight.

544
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Speaker 3: Uh.

545
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Speaker 2: And again that will be on sky Sports in the

546
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UK sorry night primetime. Peacock will stream it with the

547
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,440
deal with Boxer in the United States Saturday afternoon for

548
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,599
a zeem in O'Hara Davies. All right, So that leads

549
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,279
us now to your conversation with Bob Aram. Again, I

550
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,960
preface by saying it's not the entire thing. You're going

551
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to hear a portion of Dan's lengthy conversation where specifically,

552
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:24,480
in this part they're talking about the undisputed light heavyweight

553
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:27,720
title win by Archer better Biev who Top Rank promotes.

554
00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:30,400
You'll hear some of that part of the conversation than

555
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,119
Dan and I back on the other side again, the

556
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,079
full conversation coming this weekend. But here you go, Dan

557
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,440
with Bob Aram earlier this week.

558
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,079
Speaker 1: First and foremost, what did you think about the accomplishment

559
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,519
that better beev accomplished by unifying the four belt. That's

560
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:47,200
what he's wanted for a long time. It's what Bevo

561
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:49,319
has wanted, and your guy was able to get the

562
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,160
job done close as it was, I.

563
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Speaker 4: Think it was a terrific battle between two really outstanding

564
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light heavyweight fighters who had a different fight styles, and

565
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,160
that made it a really interesting fight to watch.

566
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: So now, you usually travel for your big fights, but

567
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:20,400
you were not present because I know you were back

568
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,039
home observing the Jewish holidays when that was happening. So

569
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,680
I wonder, yeah, exactly, So I wonder as you instead

570
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,640
of in your usual spot at ringside, as you were

571
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,599
watching I'm sure on ESPN Plus, what was your perspective

572
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,920
on the rightful winner of the fight? Because to me, anyway,

573
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,599
I scored the fight a draw, but I could one

574
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,599
hundred percent see absolutely there be of winning by a

575
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,559
close decision. And likewise with if somebody wants to tell

576
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,599
me that they thought BiVO won by you know, a

577
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,279
seven to five kind of decision, what was your take

578
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:48,920
watching it live?

579
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 3: Well, I you know, I thought Beta Beta won the fight.

580
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,599
I added.

581
00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,279
Speaker 4: Seven five Beta be Of, particularly because you came on

582
00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:04,839
in the late rounds to sweep the late rounds, which

583
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:08,119
he had to do to win the fight. I think

584
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,119
before people make any judgment about the fight, they should look.

585
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 3: At the judges' scorecards.

586
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,759
Speaker 4: I mean, the three judges had ten rounds identical.

587
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 3: In other words, there was no dispute.

588
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,079
Speaker 4: For ten as far as ten rounds were concerned, and

589
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,599
that came out six.

590
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: For Better be Off for for bivil.

591
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: Now, there were two rounds where the judges split, and

592
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:42,720
in those for those two rounds, one judge had it

593
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:47,359
all for Better be Off, two rounds for Better be Off,

594
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:51,640
one judge had it two rounds for bivol and the

595
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,119
American judge development had it one round each.

596
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,839
Speaker 3: So that's why you got scores of.

597
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Speaker 4: A draw, seven five for Better be Off and eight

598
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:08,519
four for Better be Off. So again, it was a

599
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:14,240
very well judged fight. It wasn't judges being all over

600
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the place. They saw at least ten rounds the same,

601
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,839
and I had Better be Of winning seven to five.

602
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,319
And I think that a lot of people viewing that

603
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:37,359
fight who claimed that bivol Ion were influenced by the

604
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TV production which was done by dis own, even though

605
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:45,119
in the United States it was shown on.

606
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Speaker 3: ESPN Plus, because if you.

607
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 4: Looked at that between rounds, when they reviewed the highlights

608
00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:01,799
of the previous rounds, overwhelmingly it.

609
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: Was let's just call it very biviol friendly.

610
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:06,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was.

611
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:12,039
Speaker 4: Bevol friendly because Bev was a just zone fighter with

612
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,359
Eddie Earn and with.

613
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Speaker 3: Vadim uh and Uh. I think that influenced a lot

614
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:21,119
of people.

615
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Speaker 4: That being said, it was a very very close, very

616
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,799
well fought fight.

617
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Speaker 1: So after the fight was over, because of the dispute,

618
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if you will, by a lot of folks that thought

619
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:35,480
that he did win. And then I saw some comments

620
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,599
from Turkey al Chic saying, you know who I guess

621
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,440
has a relationship with both fighters. His opinion was that

622
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,319
Bevol won the fight by two rounds. He said there

623
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:46,680
needs to be a rematch. Both fighters seemed open to

624
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,759
the to the prospect when asked about it in their

625
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,119
postfight comments about doing another fight. What is your take

626
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,400
on the prospect of having this fight be an immediate

627
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,720
rematch whenever these guys are getting back in the ring

628
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:57,200
next year.

629
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: Well, you see my friend Turkey Louis, did you see

630
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,400
who he was sitting next to at the fight.

631
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: I did you want to tell us all about that?

632
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,759
Speaker 4: He was sitting next to Frank and Eddie exactly, and

633
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,599
so obviously they saw it for Bivol.

634
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: Seven to five.

635
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know, Bob, I don't know. I don't

636
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,440
know if Frank had any dog in that fight.

637
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: To tell you the truth, No, Frank paid everybody. The

638
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:33,839
money came through Frank, so again and and maybe.

639
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:40,359
Speaker 4: Whatever it was now Turkey, it was a you know,

640
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:44,440
a guy who loves boxing wants to see a rematch,

641
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,960
and I think the public would love.

642
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:47,839
Speaker 3: To see a rematch.

643
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: But again, because the READ season ends in February, the

644
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,319
earliest state for a rematch would be next stock to open.

645
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:04,279
Speaker 1: Well, they did do some some READ fights that were

646
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:06,759
beyond that date, and they also did the fights that

647
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:10,799
were outside of the READ season in other locations.

648
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:16,039
Speaker 3: But that is not that is not what they're going

649
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:17,200
to do in the future.

650
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: I think there was a lot of pushback on his

651
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:32,000
excellency for doing fights outside of Saudi Arabia and outside

652
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:37,160
of READ season. So I think going forward, you know,

653
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,960
in order to tap into the lodge.

654
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: Budget that they will have, they will have to do.

655
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:52,359
Speaker 4: The fights in ri Odds season in Saudi Arabia, which

656
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,279
makes sense.

657
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: So it may mean that each of these guys fight.

658
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: One more time against other opponents, and then for October

659
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:08,240
of next year.

660
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,559
Speaker 3: They do their rematch.

661
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,359
Speaker 4: I think that is likely from a business standpoint, the

662
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,640
likeliest thing that will happen.

663
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,519
Speaker 2: All right, again, good stuff there from his perspective about

664
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:25,079
the better be of win, the potential rematch, et cetera.

665
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:29,759
I say again here the full conversation coming on this

666
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:32,319
podcast feed on Saturday, with all the topics that Dan

667
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,440
was running down earlier in the program, including the USIK

668
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:40,400
Thory two rematch, et cetera. All right, so you talked

669
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,519
with him about that, and now we know that Dmitri

670
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,359
Beevil has also written Everybody but the Easter Bunny saying hey,

671
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,400
I want the rematch. So we heard what Bob was

672
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,480
saying about it. What are your thoughts here on is

673
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:56,039
it realistic? What do you read the tea leaves here?

674
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:58,400
And you were talking to Bob Aaron about this, Well.

675
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of what people did, it's then not

676
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,599
a surprise. I mean, there was some controversy obviously in

677
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,440
terms of the result, although honestly, maybe it's just me,

678
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,200
but I feel like this was a close fight and

679
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,720
one guy won the fight by you know, on one

680
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,319
scorecard and it was a majority of decision, and that's

681
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,759
not This was not like there was a scorecard that

682
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,119
was like one twenty to one oh eight or something

683
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,519
like that, and it was blasphemy in that fight that

684
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:27,000
was so close that have one scorecard come up eight

685
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:31,079
rounds to four is not ridiculous in my opinion, And

686
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:33,680
there are people whose opinions I respect who happen to

687
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,240
think it is, and I just don't agree with that.

688
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,680
So as an example, like I have nothing but love

689
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,000
and respect for al Bernstein and Alan I had to

690
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:42,160
respectful a little back and forth on our social media

691
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,680
and he feels like that one sixteen one to twelve

692
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,440
card is shameful as the word he used, and I'm

693
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,000
just like, well, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

694
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:54,240
So again, I have nothing but ample respect for al Bernstein,

695
00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:56,880
one of the great UH boxing announcers in the history

696
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,279
of the sport. But I don't feel like this is

697
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:03,039
one of those fights where you know, it has to

698
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,480
be like everybody's hair is on fire. But look a

699
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,559
lot of people felt like Beebell should have won the fight.

700
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,599
There's no other big mega fight in the weight class

701
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,639
for either guy at the moment, particularly if the mandatories

702
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,039
that are in the WBO are rather in the WBC

703
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,960
and the WBA, which is David Benevite's and David Morrell

704
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:23,920
are already set to fight each other in the early

705
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,480
part of next year, and Turkey wants to fight. The

706
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:29,360
two fighters seem to you know, the bi Boll and

707
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,079
his team definitely want to fight better. Be Able was like,

708
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:32,760
I'll do the fight if that's what they want and

709
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,199
what Turkey wants, and people hear from Aaron, you know,

710
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,400
he's they're not opposed on the top rank end of

711
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,360
doing the rematch as long as everything is done properly

712
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,000
in terms of the way the deal is, structure and

713
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:45,079
the money in the whole thing. Fine, So they're gonna

714
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,960
do this rematch now to make it so it could

715
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,679
still be for all the belts, because if you back

716
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,000
up to May, we saw Alexander Usk defeat Tyson Fury

717
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,079
for the undisprited heavyweight title and they had a rematch

718
00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:00,199
clause where this fight doesn't but nonetheless they're scheduled do

719
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,119
their rematch in December, but it will not be for

720
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,039
undisputed status because of the fact that the IBF the

721
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:09,239
IBF things, and uh and it's not happening. And do

722
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,239
By ended up getting that belt and defending it against

723
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,840
Anthony Joshua. So they'll still fight for the three titles,

724
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:16,760
but Bovill and better be able what I guess want

725
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,000
it to be for all the belts, and uh, and

726
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:23,719
there's that situation. So they send off the attorney, Patrick English,

727
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,960
who I've known for my entire career, one of the

728
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,599
top boxing lawyers in the business for decades, way before

729
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,760
I was even involved in boxing, wrote a letter to

730
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,000
the organization president's copied that you know, copied the four

731
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,920
presidents on the on the letter, and they made their

732
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,239
case that they would like to have the order for

733
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,199
all the organizations to make it for that they approve

734
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,119
and order the rematch so it can be for all

735
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:49,239
the belts. As it turns out, one of the examples

736
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,039
he used in terms of the public outcry of the

737
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:55,000
reason to order a rematch was because of the draw

738
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:57,760
that took place in a vander Holyfield Lennox Lewis and

739
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,480
their first fight. Now this this result is not even

740
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:03,719
remotely in the same bratisphere of controversy. But he was

741
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,320
only making the point. And the reason I think he

742
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,280
used this particular fight is because Pat and to this

743
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,159
day still is the lawyer for Main Events, and they

744
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:13,280
represented Lennox Lewis that fight. So he was the one

745
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,360
that wrote to the organizations back then, the three organizations

746
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,679
at the time, to seek to get them to order

747
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,840
to approve anyway a rematch between Holyfield and Lennox Lewis.

748
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,079
And so he's now here doing this again on behalf

749
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:28,840
of Dimitri Bovil, and they in fact did that. They

750
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,800
have rules that allow that. Now what's interesting about it,

751
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,920
TJ is this, So I do think the rematch is

752
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,320
going to probably happen because I mentioned all the different

753
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,079
parties involved seem to be okay with it, and you know,

754
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,840
the mandatories, at least in some of the organizations are

755
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,039
not an issue. As it turned out, the letter that

756
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:51,079
Pat English wrote to the organizations about asking for this

757
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:56,039
rematch to be approved and ordered was on Wednesday. On Thursday,

758
00:36:56,599 --> 00:37:01,079
the IBF, because the IBF does the IBF thing, they

759
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,920
ordered and sent a letter ordering better be as IBF

760
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,519
mandatory against a fighter named Michael Eifert who won a

761
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,880
title eliminator for the number one position in a victory,

762
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,320
an upset victory against the former champion Jean Pascal. He's

763
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,360
had one fight since then to stay busy. But now

764
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:20,119
now that the better b of in the B ball

765
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,800
fight was in the books, that the IBF ordered that mandatory,

766
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:26,440
apparently they are next up into the rotation system now.

767
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,079
Although they ordered the mandatory in my exchange with the IBF,

768
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,199
and they're very good about getting back to me about

769
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:35,840
this sort of thing. They said that, even though, and

770
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,960
they made a specific notation when they sent me back

771
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,639
the email about it, even though we have ordered better

772
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:45,199
b of an Eiford all paraphrase here, they're they're okay

773
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:49,400
to have the B ball team, you know, asked for

774
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,760
an exception obviously to do the rematch with people, and

775
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,760
they would certainly consider that. I think that's got a

776
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,960
good chance of getting approved, especially given the magnitude of

777
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,920
the fighting, all the things that have and by the way,

778
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:03,679
as pat English and the letter pointed out their past

779
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,559
history going back all those years ago. And I'm sure

780
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:07,960
there's other fights that we get come up with, but

781
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,159
certainly in the case of the Holy filled the Lewis

782
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:12,800
Fight Day allowed it also, so you know, I get

783
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,880
to wait and see sort of situation. But you know,

784
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,079
Bevoll's trying to like cover all his bases. It's one

785
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:20,400
thing for the rematch to happen. Nobody can stop that

786
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,440
from happening. If the sides agree to do it. It's

787
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,599
a matter will all the belts be And they're trying

788
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:26,559
to trying to get a situation where all the belts

789
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:26,960
will still be.

790
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 2: Let's cut to it. You said it in a roundabout way,

791
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,440
but I'll say it directly. No one cares about better

792
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,400
be of defending all four belts against Michael Eifert. What

793
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,119
we care about is if Beevill wants the rematch, let's

794
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,000
see it again. Now, can we have good things? We'll

795
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,880
find out. We'll find out if we can have good now.

796
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,599
Speaker 1: One thing. One thing about it, and people can either

797
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:47,639
read my story on my sub sect that I wrote

798
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:52,559
about it on Wednesday night and that that was part

799
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:57,320
of what Aaron and I spoke about. His perspective is like, yeah,

800
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,679
well we're okay with the rematch, but he wasn't sure

801
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:04,199
about the timing because read season the festival runs from

802
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,079
October where just kicked off with this better be a

803
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,039
b Bole fight that took place last weekend, and it

804
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,320
ends that nobody kind of really knows, at least I've

805
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,400
looked up. It's like late February. Maybe it's March. But

806
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,360
the point is, once the festival is over, the amount

807
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,639
of events that the read season folks do in Saudi

808
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:23,960
Arabia anyway does slow down a little bit. Now they

809
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,960
are still doing other events that are not necessarily boxing related,

810
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,440
and they did obviously in their non set festival period

811
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,760
of time. They did the fight in La in August.

812
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,719
They then did the fight the month before their new

813
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,960
festival started in September, just last month with Joshua and Dubah.

814
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,159
Point being is that Bob was like, well, they're cutting back.

815
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:48,800
They want to do the bigger fights in Saudi Arabia,

816
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,280
so that may prevent the rematch from taking place until

817
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,760
this time next year to kick off the next read season.

818
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:57,599
And he suggested that if that is the case, maybe

819
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,599
we'll have to find a way to the guys have

820
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,400
interim fights if they don't want to wait for a

821
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,800
full year for the rematch. So he was putting out

822
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,599
there the possibility of there being interim bouts, at least

823
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:10,800
for his guy. Anyway, we'll see what the fighters thoughts

824
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,000
are about that. And you know what Turkey and the

825
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,400
Saudi's decide to do in terms of paying for it

826
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,079
and where they want to have it in the Saudi

827
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:20,400
do they would they do it in America or or

828
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,599
in the UK or somewhere else. So we'll see. But

829
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,880
I do suspect the rematch will happen. I do suspect

830
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,199
that the organizations, most of them, if not all of them,

831
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:32,199
will be on board with keeping all the belts intact

832
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,920
for that fight. And uh, we'll see it again.

833
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 3: All right.

834
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,559
Speaker 2: Let's stay with the news here, oh heavyweight news involving,

835
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,639
as you always say, my boy a, Jeet Kabayel and

836
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,840
Martin Bucoli, because apparently they may be fighting each other

837
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:51,239
to become the mandatory challenger for Daniel Dubois. What is

838
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,039
the latest with this?

839
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:55,559
Speaker 1: This is such a if it does actually happen, I

840
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,199
find this to be like a really cool fight, you know,

841
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:03,360
it's kind of like adding nowhere ish. But both guys

842
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,840
have been winning. Baccoley looked absolutely awesome destroying Jared Anderson.

843
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:11,440
He has fought on two consecutive read season cards, one

844
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,559
in Saudi one in La Your Boy. Cabell has also

845
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:17,440
fought his last couple of fights. He's got some good,

846
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:21,480
solid victories and has maintained his position. I mean, it's

847
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:24,960
just it's a very interesting matchup, and it just goes

848
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,280
to show you that the IBF, you know who I

849
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,880
always mock about doing IBF things. In this particular case,

850
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,000
it turns out Cabell and Cabiel and Bacoli are the

851
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,480
top two rated contenders in the IBF rankings. One and

852
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,639
two are vacant, which they often do, but these are

853
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:41,719
the next two guys they rank in at three and four.

854
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,280
I forget. I think it's Cabielli is three and Bacolis

855
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,760
four if my memory serves and he correct Anyway, as

856
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,679
I said, Cabiel also is coming off some good wins.

857
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,639
He knocked out Mac macdouf very impressively as an underdog

858
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:56,039
in the fourth round back in December. His next fight

859
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,159
had another solid win of knockout victory against the undefeated

860
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,960
Frank Sanchez. Also, I believe the underdog in that fight.

861
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:04,519
So these guys are on good role and they're clearly

862
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:07,440
emerging as among the top ten heavyweights, and so the

863
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,800
IBF offered them if they wanted to do it, and

864
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,119
they accepted that the position in the eliminator to do

865
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:16,039
an elimination doubt that would match the two together and

866
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:19,480
produce the next mandatory challenger for the IBF heavyweight tunnel.

867
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,199
Not that is of course, currently held by Dubi. He's

868
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,920
headed to her probably a February rematch with Day with

869
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:27,599
Anthony Joshua. But the point being in, you know, the

870
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:31,039
IBF is whatever whoever murders from those those fights that

871
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:34,000
fight with the IBF title is going to have to fight.

872
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,159
The winner of Bocoli against Caby. I'll have to fight happen.

873
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,719
So they've ordered the fight. Both guys that have expressed

874
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,599
their interest to be in it, they're both with the Saudi's.

875
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,880
I see absolutely no reason why this fight can't happen.

876
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:45,480
As a matter of fact that you know, they have

877
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:48,199
a time frame like every IBF order to make a

878
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,360
deal of they'll call a pursepit. But I have to

879
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,559
say TJ, given their association with the read season and

880
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:55,639
the amount of heavyweight fights that they put on these

881
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:58,280
big shows they do, and given the timing that we're

882
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,039
at not at all. Would not be a shock to

883
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:03,480
me whatsoever if in fact this fight was made and

884
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,159
it winds up as one of the undercard fights when

885
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:10,119
Dubois and Joshua probably meet again in February, and that

886
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:11,679
would be a dynamite undercard fight.

887
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: I like it.

888
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: You guys, by the way, who excuse me? Two guys

889
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,159
who a year ago were just sort of on the

890
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:22,000
periphery of heavyweight sort of situation. You know, I knew

891
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,760
who they were. I've seen them fight, but didn't really

892
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,039
necessarily consider them top contenders, even though they had nice records.

893
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:28,880
In the whole thing. It just goes to show you

894
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,800
what activity and a couple collid wins can do for

895
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,280
an the heavyweight division. You go from being nobody or

896
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,559
out on the on the on the outskirts of true contendership.

897
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,519
Now you're right there in the thicket things fighting each

898
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:41,400
other for the number one spot in one of the organizations.

899
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: Well, and in Cobby Yelle's case, he hasn't correct me if

900
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:44,800
I'm wrong. I don't think he's ever fought in the

901
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,000
United States. He certainly isn't somebody that the US fight

902
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:50,760
fans know a lot about. But we absolutely know about.

903
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: But mccoley's only fought the one fight in the United States.

904
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: Still we absolutely know who he is after what he

905
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,920
did to Jared Anderson, is my point in August.

906
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean Sokabel. The thing about Cavil though, even though

907
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,840
he hasn't boxed in America, the reality is he's been

908
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,679
seen more in America on television slash. No, not on

909
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,800
his own, because he's not been on his own. But

910
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,599
there was a period of time where a top rank

911
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,599
was doing a lot of the fights that were involving

912
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:19,360
his promoter se s from Germany, and so there were

913
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,039
a there were a number of Kabiel fights that were

914
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,960
streamed on ESPN Plus, whereas Mccoli had never been seen.

915
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,119
I don't believe on American television until I seem to.

916
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: Recall like a Monte Carlo Monte Carlo main event on

917
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,599
the Zone with Kabbayelle. But maybe I imagine that. I

918
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:39,159
don't know. But anyway, he's not a household name, but.

919
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he might have been. He did fight Shasor over

920
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,679
there several years.

921
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 2: He's been undefeated and let's see, let's see.

922
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:48,679
Speaker 1: Uh, it's a good it's a very interesting match. Butcle's

923
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,440
this big, strong dude who just ruined Anderson knocked him

924
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,360
out as a sturdy looks real sturdy. Tabiel has been

925
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,639
kind of an overachiever to I think, to the minds

926
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:03,639
of many still undefeated, been I think getting better. And

927
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:06,039
these guys are still in terms of heavyweights, you know,

928
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,519
they're not old, used up guys. They're in their thirty

929
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,039
they're in their early thirties, which is sort of where

930
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:14,239
heavyweights seem to kind of come into their own. In

931
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,719
terms of Kabiel's age, he's thirty two years old and

932
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,199
has looked as good as he's looked, you know, in

933
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,400
his whole career over the last couple of fights. And

934
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,559
in terms of Nikoli, he's also thirty two years old.

935
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:28,079
And again, I hope this fight happens, whether you know

936
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,360
it's it's the kind of thing where the title elimination

937
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:34,119
aspect of it helps facilitate the fight. So I know

938
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:35,960
I ripped the IBF on this and that, but this

939
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000
is one of those instances where this is actually a

940
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:38,360
good thing.

941
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: By one more IBF item, and that is you mentioned

942
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,360
Naoia in a way all the way back at the

943
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,559
beginning of the podcast that he is now supposed to

944
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:49,960
be fighting Sam Goodman. Do they have a deal yet,

945
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,559
are we looming again with a purse bid? And how

946
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:56,119
does mj Akmadaliev also factor into this?

947
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: Okay? So on Tuesday of this week, the IBF sent

948
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,199
out the letter to the promoters of that are all

949
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,360
the registered promoters in the IBF, saying they had scheduled

950
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,159
a purse bid for the fight between In a Way

951
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,840
and the IBF mandatory, which is Sam Goodman from Ushia.

952
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,000
Obviously you know he's got all the belts. They scheduled

953
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,320
for October twenty ninth and sent it out and so

954
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,519
that made you think, oh, well, they must not have

955
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:22,039
a deal. There must be an issue, because for the

956
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,760
last however long, it's been sort of like an open

957
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,079
secret that yeah, they're the next fight's going to be

958
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,559
in a Way against Sam Goodman and they're wrapping that up.

959
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,360
So with the IBF again, they do IBF things and

960
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,800
they don't really pay attention sometimes what's going on. They

961
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,960
just have it in their calendar and they blast out

962
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,880
the letter. If they had bothered to make a phone

963
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,480
call to either of the sides, they would have found

964
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:45,239
out that, yeah, that's not one hundred percent done and

965
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,280
maybe the organizam, you know, the two sides could ask

966
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,440
for you know, another a couple of days extension or whatever.

967
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:55,960
Even though the purspid was ordered. George Rose from No

968
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,760
Limit Boxing, who is the promoter for Sam Goodman and

969
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,280
the folks at Top Rank who are the co promoter

970
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,119
of in a way, told me, I mean, they can

971
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:08,519
send out the letter, but we have a deal. Basically,

972
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:10,679
they said, I mean, okay, it's not one hundred percent signed,

973
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:13,599
still delivered. But both sides were like, yeah, we were good.

974
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:16,000
We're just wrapping things up. I talked to you know,

975
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:19,239
both of them and separately, and there's no issues. They're

976
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,000
just you know, it takes a little time to make

977
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:23,800
sure all the eyes are crossing, our eyes are dotted

978
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,559
and teaser crossed, and it takes some time. So that's

979
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,159
going to get done. So there's no issue there. He's

980
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:32,440
going to fight in a way. Sam Goodman is going

981
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,440
to be December twenty fourth, It's going to be in Tokyo.

982
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:36,440
It's going to be streamed on ESPN Plus early in

983
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,400
the morning on Christmas Eve, and for those of us

984
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,280
who were diehard junkie boxing fans, it'll be like Christmas morning,

985
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:44,239
as we'll get up early and watch the fight. Now,

986
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,280
when the order was made, you had the pushback from

987
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:51,679
mj Akmandaliev, who was the WBA mandatory challenger, and if

988
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,480
you remember TJ before In a Way fought TJ. Doheney

989
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,440
in his most recent title defense, the fight between in

990
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,880
a Way and Akmindalia was ordered. They sent a letter

991
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,840
and they scheduled the pursepid the whole nine yards, and

992
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,239
then the WBA basically sort of ignored it and forgot,

993
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,000
And I mean, I think they realized that there's a

994
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,119
lot more money in that, and they you know, basically

995
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,440
I felt like I'm watching like the Dallas Dream season

996
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,960
to date myself, Like they just ignored it, like Pam

997
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,880
Ewing woke up and like Bobby was alive.

998
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:19,519
Speaker 2: Like he's in the shower right, He's in the shower,

999
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:20,480
and what the heck's happening?

1000
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: I know. So they just completely ignored that. And when

1001
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,239
the person when the pursepit letter went out from the

1002
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:33,440
IBF the WBA, UH, the WBA was put unnoticed by Akhmedive,

1003
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,840
who coincidentally also employs Pat English as their lawyer, and

1004
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:41,599
he sent the WBA a letter basically saying, look, you know,

1005
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,920
we don't want to threaten legal action, but we're doing

1006
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,960
what we have to do to protect our client's rights.

1007
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,199
And he is next up in the in the rotation.

1008
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,400
He should be the next guy. You already ordered the fight,

1009
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,079
and so sure, in a way could vacate the title.

1010
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:55,360
We can't prevent him from fighting Sam Goodman, but you

1011
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,840
know everybody is unnoticed that he shouldn't be fighting in

1012
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,559
a WBA title defense, and uh, you know, we're gonna

1013
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,960
protect our guys, right, So we'll see what happens with that,

1014
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,840
because there's no doubt that in a way and Goodman

1015
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,440
is going forward, whether it's with the WBA title at

1016
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,280
stake or not, that remains to be seen. People will

1017
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,760
hear my conversation about this topic with Aaron. We spent

1018
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,840
a lot of time talking about the plants for anyway,

1019
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,599
but just to give you an idea a little bit

1020
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:20,199
about what he said. He says, you know, they're not

1021
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:22,760
opposed to fighting Akmadaia, but they think it we'd better

1022
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,719
serve to be the Vegas fight that they're planning for

1023
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,880
in a way coming in the spring. We'll see what

1024
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,119
happens with that. Anyway, that's the bottom line is in

1025
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:34,199
a way and Goodman are going to fight Christmas Eve,

1026
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:36,239
and whether it's for the BA tight or not, we'll

1027
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,719
see what happens with this whole situation.

1028
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,159
Speaker 2: Good tease on that, and that leads us to a

1029
00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:45,760
couple of bits of nostalgia. So it was today October

1030
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,840
seventeenth as we record this and release it into Friday

1031
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,239
of twenty fifteen. Nine years ago, Vegue and Annie glove

1032
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,360
Can Triple G wiped out David Lemieux and unified two

1033
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,760
of the Middleway titles. Also Chaco Latito gun Zalez on

1034
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,920
the undercard one Dan Rayfield ringside. For all of this,

1035
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:07,480
what do you I always like to tee it up.

1036
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:09,320
What do you remember about both of those?

1037
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,079
Speaker 1: I remember there being a lot of excitement about this card.

1038
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,800
This was on HBO pay per view Madison Square Garden,

1039
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,800
and if you remember back at that time, Triple G,

1040
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,639
you know, was in the midst of this tremendous knockout

1041
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:23,360
streak where he was just destroying everybody and he was

1042
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,400
having a hard time though getting the best fighters to

1043
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,159
fight him. He was desperate to unify, you know, he

1044
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:30,280
had the backing of HBO. He was becoming a huge

1045
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,960
fan favorite, and they just could not get the top

1046
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,760
guys to fight him. And to David, let me use credit.

1047
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,960
He had won the IBF title in the middleweight division

1048
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,440
of you know, four or five months earlier. He had

1049
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:43,559
dropped a Hassan the damn I believe it was four times,

1050
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,480
but won the decision, you know, and David was knocking

1051
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,079
everybody out also, but he got this belt and he

1052
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:51,960
didn't really hesitate. Instead of taking a soft touch and

1053
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,360
trying to fight up in Canada in front of the hometown,

1054
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,000
he took the absolute hardest fight you could possibly take,

1055
00:50:57,199 --> 00:50:59,480
and that was a unification on a pay per view

1056
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:03,039
main event at the Garden, uh to unify the IVF

1057
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:04,880
title and Triple G at the time was a WBA

1058
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,639
champion and they made the match and he and Roman

1059
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:10,920
gonzales I kind of referred to him back at the time,

1060
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:13,320
they were like Batman and Robin. They were both with HBO,

1061
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,559
they were both with Tom Loffler, the promoter. They were

1062
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,519
both becoming fan favorites. It was like, you know, Triple

1063
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:22,679
G as Batman, Roman Gonzalez is like Robin. They were

1064
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:24,760
fighting on the same cards together. Was as exciting and

1065
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,400
fun as anything in boxing. And they made the great

1066
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,000
match between Roman and Brian Valoria, a very respected United

1067
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:33,760
States Olympian, a former world champion who was still you know,

1068
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,280
a very good fighter at that time. Uh, and they

1069
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,760
made that match for Roman at the time was the

1070
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,719
WBC flyweight and the lineal flyweight champion. You could trace

1071
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,760
that lineage directly back to when Paco had become the

1072
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,679
lineal flyweight champion back you know, many many years earlier.

1073
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,039
And that was that was Those were the two main

1074
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:52,840
fights on the card, and they had some other fights

1075
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,800
on there also, but they just both you know, they

1076
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,000
were competing against their opponents, but they were also competing

1077
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:01,559
against each other for that pound for pound SATs. Even

1078
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,760
though they were with the same network, the same promoter,

1079
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:05,679
they were friendly with each other. I mean, they had

1080
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,639
an ample respect for one another, and it was just

1081
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:09,519
great fun to watch these guys do their things. So

1082
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:12,840
you see Roman Gonzalez going there and just absolutely Roman,

1083
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,480
by the way, was forty three and oh at the time,

1084
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:17,400
Trubleg was thirty three, and oh at the time Roman

1085
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,639
goes in there and just you know, takes apart a

1086
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,079
very good fighter in Vloria was way ahead on the

1087
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,000
scorecards and stopped him in the ninth round, had knocked

1088
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:26,960
him down in the third round, and just put on

1089
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,880
a masterclass performance that was brilliant of performance of boxing

1090
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,559
and punching and aggression and skills and speed and everything

1091
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:37,159
you want to see with a top prize fighter. And

1092
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:41,000
then Glovekin in a very exciting fight, but very one sided.

1093
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,400
He was up a shutout scorecard on all three cards

1094
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,800
at the time. He stopped David Lemieux in the eighth round,

1095
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:48,760
but he had knocked him down in the fifth round

1096
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:51,559
and just laid a beating on him again in a

1097
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:54,360
fun fight, but one sided, and it got to the

1098
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,960
point where you're like, okay, well, who's pound for pound

1099
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,280
at this point? I mean, they both were just devastating

1100
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,800
against quality opponents on this night, and it was the

1101
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,559
Garden Rock that night. Triple G fought there a few

1102
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:09,679
different times, but this was this was super exciting and

1103
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,480
it was it was a real pleasure. One thing I remember,

1104
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:13,679
by the way, it's not related to the doubt itself,

1105
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,280
but they had the promotion had brought in the great

1106
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,639
Roberto Duran, who was a former middleweight champion to sort

1107
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:23,039
of help promote the fight. Uh, And I think they

1108
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:25,400
used him a little bit to speak to the Spanish

1109
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,800
speaking fans in New York City to try to bring

1110
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,719
in more people for pay per view, and also to

1111
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,000
the garden. And I happened after I forget if it

1112
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,440
was after the press comment or after the way, and

1113
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,639
I was at the Fight Hotel, in the Fight Hotel,

1114
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:39,719
which is no longer there anymore. They're changing it to

1115
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,559
like I think they're making apartments out of it. It's

1116
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:43,840
kind of disappointing. I've stayed there bazillions of times over

1117
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,039
the years. But there was a restaurant called Niles that

1118
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:49,159
was attached to the like the lobby of the hotel.

1119
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:50,920
We used to hang after all the time, drinks after

1120
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,880
the fight, maybe lunched once in a while. Anyway, I

1121
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,840
spent an afternoon during that fight week, myself, Lance Pugmyer,

1122
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:01,440
and one of the gals that was working for Golden

1123
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,760
Boy Promotions. They were involved in that promotion, and she

1124
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,360
spoke English and Spanish and she translated like we were

1125
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,679
like United Nations in real time. And Lance Pugmyer, my

1126
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,480
good friend, and myself and she and Roberto Durant sat

1127
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:18,320
in that bar, and we spent like I spent the

1128
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,079
whole afternoon with Roberto Durant. It was one of the

1129
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,599
most fun you know, I were there. We were probably

1130
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:26,079
there for like two three hours. I mean, just amazing.

1131
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:31,039
Speaker 2: A number of stories probably totaled seventy five or maybe

1132
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:32,760
from Roberto Durant.

1133
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,559
Speaker 1: It was absolutely spectacular. I mean, I've always been a

1134
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:39,519
Duran fan and always loved Duran, and to see him

1135
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:42,239
and just spend that time with him and hear from him,

1136
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,360
and you know, have a drink and have a little

1137
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,639
I don't we have lunch or whatever, but just as

1138
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,199
pleasant an experience as you can have in boxing. I mean,

1139
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,320
I love the fights, but when I think back about

1140
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,079
the things I've had a chance to do, when people

1141
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:55,639
have got to meet in place, I've got to go,

1142
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,960
like I think about shit like that. Oh yeah, I

1143
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,840
was hanging out with Roberto Durant for like three hours

1144
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,400
a New York restaurant having a drink or a couple

1145
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,760
of drinks or three or four drinks.

1146
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,679
Speaker 2: Reportedly did not say through the interpreter Dan who, No,

1147
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,760
he did not say that just a just a great

1148
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,800
just a great nostalgia. On top of the nostalgia from back.

1149
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,679
Speaker 1: I'll tell you another funny thing about that when I

1150
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,239
when I was talking to Duran.

1151
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

1152
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,199
Speaker 1: I don't remember how the topic came up, but as

1153
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,280
you know and everybody who listens, I'm a collector of stuff.

1154
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,000
I've got a lot of Durance shit in my collection.

1155
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,000
So I have a lot of pictures of my shit

1156
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:28,760
on my phone. So I have like a ninth like

1157
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,119
it's a very very hard to find in top condition.

1158
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:35,159
It say it's Duran's rookie but it's from the Panini

1159
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:37,880
sticker set from Italy, very very thin paper. I have

1160
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,280
it graded by PSA. It's in a condition at PSA nine,

1161
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:44,440
extremely rare in that top level condition, worth quite a

1162
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,800
bit of money. And I had a picture of it

1163
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,719
on my phone and I showed it to Duran and

1164
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,079
I asked him, I said, you know, do you know

1165
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:51,679
have you ever seen this? Do you understand this? Get

1166
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,280
that this is your rookie cardem He's got cards throughout,

1167
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:57,360
you know, other sets through the years. He had never

1168
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,280
saw before, apparently, or so he said, and sort of

1169
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,039
an amored by it. I was like, that's pretty cool,

1170
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:04,360
Like I'm showing the great Duran this rookie.

1171
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: In translation, and you think you were offering it to

1172
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:07,880
him for a because.

1173
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: I can have it, I can have it on me.

1174
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,400
I just had the picture. But from like nineteen seventy two.

1175
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,679
This is when Duran was a lightweight and was the

1176
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,320
dominating figure in that division. It was amazing.

1177
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: As a collector, I even know the Spanish lingo. The

1178
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Spanish lingo would have been dome Ala, give it to me,

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give it, give it to me.

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Speaker 1: Now, as a collector geek and a boxing diehard and

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a Duran fan, that was one of the coolest things I.

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Speaker 2: Ever have to do, I love it all right. So

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that was nine years ago. Let's move backwards to two

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thousand and eight, on Friday October the eighteenth, where Bernard

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Hopkins defeated Kelly Pavlik in a big upset that you

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were also ringside for in Atlantic City. Tell me more

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about that one real quick.

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Speaker 1: Listen. The Hopkins continued to defy the odds against this

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in his fight. There was many fights where you know,

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people look back now and say, yeah, of course Hopkins

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beat public. That's because they weren't there in two thousand

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and eight. That's because they don't know anything about what

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was happening at that time. As you like to say,

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they became boxing fans in twenty twelve, That's exactly right.

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Here's the bottom line. Bernard Hopkins was the lineal light

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heavyweight champion. He had taken apart, knocked down and dominated

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in a big upset another upset of his which I

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actually picked to tell the truth, against Antonio Tarvor. He

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had had the previous huge upset when he won when

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he became the undispeted middleway champion against Tito Trinidad in

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a two thousand and one. And after he beat Tarvor,

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he had fought Winky Wright, who had moved up to

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fight him at one hundred and seventy pound catchweight. He

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dominated him and won that decision. Then he suffered a

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very very very close, controversial, this split decision loss to

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Joel Kalzaggi that cost him the lineal light heavyweight title.

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I was at that fight also at the Thomas and

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Max Center in Las Vegas. I thought that Bernard Hopkins

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won that fight. He could, and I've got nothing but

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love for Joe Klsaggie, and Joe knows that. So coming

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off of that loss, Bernard had been out of the ring,

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not for a long period of time, but he was

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very anxious to get back in there, not for a title,

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and Kelly Pavlock, who was the Middleway champion, took to

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fight with Bernard at one hundred and seventy pounds. This

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was at a period of time. Remember we talked once,

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not that long ago, about the Great Cold War between

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Top Rank and Golden Boy, but this was a scenario.

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Once they had made that global settlement of all the

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lawsuits with Nanny Paco, it paved the way for plenty

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of top ranked type fights against Golden Boy opponents. And

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so this was that case. Bernard was with Golden Boy,

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Kelly Pavock was with Top Rank, and they made this match.

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It was a big HBO pay per view fight. They

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did it at the Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, and Kelly

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Pavlock was a huge favorite, even though he was moving

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up to fight a bit heavier in weight against Bernard Hopkins,

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who was considered old for years. I mean, when Bernard

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fought Trinidad in two thousand and one, he was considered old.

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What the hell do you think people thought of him.

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Speaker 2: In seven years later at this point, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, So Pavlick was the young guy was thirty

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four and oh going into this fight, I mean there

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was like he's the big favorite, even if he is

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moving up a few pounds. You know, he had defeated

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Jermaine Taylor in the two fights he had made one

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defense and blitz Gary Lockett, a guy with just one

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loss from the UK, and he was riding high on this.

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This was just a few months after he had defeated Lockett.

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And I can always remember, and this is not what

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we're talking about in this fight, but I remember after

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he defeated Gary Lockett, who was not a particularly big

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name fighter. Myself and a bunch of the other writers

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I remember, like Ron Borges and I think Tim Smith

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and a bunch of us. We were at a there's

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like I don't know, it's a burger place, like in

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the Bally's casino, and we were there having some something

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to eat after the fight, and Aaron was with us

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hanging out, and I just remember Bob talking about how

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Kelly if he was so excited Pablick, he looked good.

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He had drawn a good crowd. It was a Johnny

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Rockett's on the boardwalk in Atlantic City, and Bob was

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like Pavlock. He's gonna be bigger than Hagler, better than that. O.

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Now I didn't think that was down, but but Bob,

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you know, look, he promoted all those Marvin Hagler fights,

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so far be it for us? Maybe he uh, you know,

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he was a little giddy after that knockout victory. Nonetheless,

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they brought him back in the next fight against Bernard Hopkins.

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And Bernard hopkinsn't just eke out a decision against Kelly Pavlock.

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He took him to the fucking woodshed that night, and

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even though it went twelve rounds, Bernard Hopkins won in

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dominating fashion. You know, the scorecards were eleven rounds to one,

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ten rounds to two, and as I joked at the time,

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the one card that was seven rounds to three.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know that that judge needed an eye exam because

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there ain't no way that Kelly Pavlock won even three

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rounds of that fight. But whatever, Kelly Pavlock was completely

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dominated and lost lopsided. And to Bernard's credit, you know,

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they had had a kind of a spirited back and

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forth leading up to that, as Bernard, you know, always

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looking for that edge, looking for that uh something to

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pick at.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: When the fight was over. The thing that was kind

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of cool about it was that he went over to

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Pablock and consoled him, and and and as Kelly recounting

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and Bernard recounted later on, told him, look, keep your

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head up, don't get depressed. You know, you learn from this,

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go you know, go back to the gym. He got

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nothing to be ashamed of him. He gave him like

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the pep talk about that scenario, and it was a

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great moment in Bernard Hopkins's career. I mean, that's one

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of the signature victories. It will never top the Trinidad fight.

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I'm not sure it tops the Antonio Tarver fight. But

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for him to come off of a very disappointing, very

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close loss against Joe cal Saggi and then defeat Pavlock.

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He also had the you know, the win over Pascal.

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You know, he just had one big win after another.

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But this one was a big deal for Bernard Hopkins,

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and frankly, it was somewhat devastating for Kelly Pavlock because

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even though he still had the Middleway title post this fight,

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because obviously it was over the weight and he did

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go back down to one hundred and sixty and defend

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the title two more times, but not against big names

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Marco Antonio Rubio and Miguel Aspino. Then he took the

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loss to Surgeon Martinez and his you know, he won

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a couple of more few more fights, but his career

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quorter petered out. This was like a big opportunity for

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public and he just could not deal with b hop

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the way other greats. By the way, but as I

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mentioned Carver and Trinidad, Andy Hopkins is a Hall of

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Fame Bernard Listen. I say this all the time. He

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may not have been everybody's cup of tea in terms

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of of his style that he fought in sometimes, but

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I say this time and again, once you get past

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the level of fighters like the Roy Jones and the

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and the Floyd Mayweathers that I pack, yeah, even that

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I covered in their best days, Bernard's the next best

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guy in that list. Just a dominating fighter who knew

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every you know, he wasn't a big puncher, wasn't the

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fastest guy in the world, but the fucker could fight.

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He had didn't get hit with a lot of clean punches,

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he would win. He was pound for pound, maybe of

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all time in terms of mind games, the way he

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could play with his opponents and then around with them,

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I mean, and this was one of those fights that

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just to me was off the charts and Bernard showing

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the the the difference between you know, his IQ as

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a fighter and others. This would turn out to be

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like a man and a boy.

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Speaker 2: And that was sixteen years ago on Key Occlober the eighteenth.

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By the way, a shout out, this is not on

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01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:17,280
your rundown. Thomas Reeves Senior retired from the church ministry

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on October the eighteenth, twenty fifteen, nine years ago after

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forty five years of service in the Baptist and Christian

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01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:34,880
Church ministry. My Yankee came Happy anniversary in retirement to

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Grandpaul Reeves as he's known Thomas Reeves Senor. And yes,

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01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,280
I'll have him pray for your Yankees, thank you, and

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pray for my Buccaneers. And God doesn't normally care about

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01:03:43,639 --> 01:03:46,400
the outcomes, but nonetheless it can't hurt to you know,

1332
01:03:46,679 --> 01:03:50,159
use some of that. Listen a full show here with

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01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:54,920
the previews with Bob Aram in part in full coming

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01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,760
later on the podcast feed. Follow and subscribe because you're

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01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,239
going to get an automatic reminder listen Bob Air. I'm

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01:04:00,239 --> 01:04:01,719
in full on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: There is so much, so much stuff from Bob in

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01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,159
that podcast. I hope everybody listens. It's loaded with so

1339
01:04:09,239 --> 01:04:11,599
much good shit from the Bob Father. I can't wait

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for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Here and bye. And by the way, we will talk

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01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:16,480
more about it on the recap podcast. So after this

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01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:20,840
Bakroom Tim Zoo battle at Amazine headlining the boxer card

1344
01:04:21,079 --> 01:04:25,039
Bakram and Tim Zoo the PBC Amazon World Junior Middleweight

1345
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,880
title fight, we'll recap those. We'll recap the Bob podcast

1346
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,039
and much more on Sunday. Don't forget handicapping show bet

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Us Boxing Show One Eastern Time A, just your times

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on the recording in the one Eastern Time Friday. We

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01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:41,800
look forward to that, predictions, handicapping Live Q and A,

1350
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:44,960
and more other than that, my friend, have a great weekend,

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01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:50,079
Dan Rayfield Sways, there you go. I am merely TJ Reeves.

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01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,800
Thank you for finding us. Follow Subscribe Apples, Spreaker, Spotify

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on the Big Fight Weekend podcast, Bead, You've been listening

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01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,079
to the preview pot again Bob Aram's interview in full

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01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,920
up Saturday stand By for that coming next right here

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on the feed.

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Speaker 3: Bye.