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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, and welcome to Community connection. Right here on

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<v Speaker 1>K one, the one you trust. I'm speaking with doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Garlow, who's the founder and CEO of Well Versed.

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<v Speaker 1>In case you don't know, it's a ministry of two

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<v Speaker 1>members of Congress, also ambassadors at the United Nations in

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<v Speaker 1>New York, and other elected officials bringing biblical principles of

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<v Speaker 1>governance to government leaders. That must make you a busy man,

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Garlow, welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you good I'm with you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I understand that you've also served on President Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>Faith Advisory team for about four years, and you've met

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<v Speaker 1>with the small delegations with ten presidents and prime ministers

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<v Speaker 1>and if I'm not mistaken, even one king.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, it's actually twelve now, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Presidents and kings as well as.

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<v Speaker 3>As well as many many members of Parliament across Europe,

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<v Speaker 3>members of Congress in South America and here in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when you get together with these people, these government types,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of conversations take place.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it depends on the setting and what the opportunities present.

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<v Speaker 3>But basically, our whole purpose is to try to bring

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<v Speaker 3>actual Biblical principles that governess of government leaders. I have

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<v Speaker 3>two books, one called Well Versed and the most recent

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<v Speaker 3>one called Reversed from Culturally Woke to Biblically Awake, and

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<v Speaker 3>between the two books that lays out the Biblical foundations

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<v Speaker 3>to ninety political topics governmental issues. So what we want

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<v Speaker 3>to encourage people to do is to really think scripturally,

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<v Speaker 3>think biblically if they're not followers of the Lord, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we just encourage them to realize that there is

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<v Speaker 3>a transcendent information that is available to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Through the scriptures. God is the one who thought.

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<v Speaker 3>Of government was his idea and to the extent that

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<v Speaker 3>the nation will follow biblical principles, so that THINKNX and

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<v Speaker 3>it can reduce human I am suffering at poverty. To

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<v Speaker 3>the extend it violates biblical principles of governments, it increases

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<v Speaker 3>human pain, suffering and poverty. So we try to make

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<v Speaker 3>the case that says God thought of government and nations

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<v Speaker 3>was his idea to be really good to check out

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<v Speaker 3>what he says about how civil government should function.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it sounds like you got your work cut out

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<v Speaker 1>for you. But you know it's great. You're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be coming back to Bartlesville coming up on August eleventh.

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<v Speaker 1>You're no stranger to our town, that's for sure. Many

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<v Speaker 1>people know you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. I love Bartlesville.

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<v Speaker 3>I taught there for several years A long time ago,

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<v Speaker 3>served on the board of Oklahoma Western University, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a graduate of one of the antistdent institutions. It was

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<v Speaker 3>in Kansas at that time that it merged with Bartlesville

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<v Speaker 3>Westley College, which is for Oklahoma Western University now.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have deep ties.

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<v Speaker 3>I was on staff part time at First west Lean

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<v Speaker 3>Church there, so I know a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 3>Bartlesville and love that community. Great place.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess they're going to be open, They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be welcoming you with open arms. Coming up on

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<v Speaker 1>August eleventh, you have a special event coming up at

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<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma Wesleyan University Chapel. Can you tell us about it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that will be Monday night, August eleven, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>at seven pm.

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<v Speaker 2>As you've already indicated, Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 3>Westley University and my wife and are going to be

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<v Speaker 3>sharing just simply about what we've discovered from travel around

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<v Speaker 3>the country.

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<v Speaker 2>The ministry we have.

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<v Speaker 3>My wife, my first wife who lived with me in Bartlesville,

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<v Speaker 3>was a part of the faculty when I was my wife,

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<v Speaker 3>and when I was there, she since passed away. Her

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<v Speaker 3>name was Carol, and everybody knows Carol in that community,

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<v Speaker 3>but Rosemary, when I remarried on a Rosemary Schindler is

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<v Speaker 3>related through her first marriage. Her husband's deceased to Oscar Schendler,

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<v Speaker 3>and Rosemary's made seventy eight trips to Israel. So she

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<v Speaker 3>will be sharing a lot about Israel, and I will

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<v Speaker 3>be sharing about our various meetings in various countries. We

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<v Speaker 3>just got back from Uruguay, from Argentina, from England, from Ireland,

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<v Speaker 3>poland Ukraine. As we've been on the road here quite

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<v Speaker 3>a bit recently, as we're sharing what we're seeing, what

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<v Speaker 3>we're observing globally, and what God is doing in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of re establishing biblical principles and governments, I think in

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<v Speaker 3>the midst of all the troubling news, and there is

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of troubling news, there's also some.

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<v Speaker 2>Reason for encouragement.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we're going to be bringing not only the

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<v Speaker 3>tough news that what's out there, but also some good

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<v Speaker 3>things that God is up to in a number of nations.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to ask, I've never been outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. But I imagine that. But I've met people

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<v Speaker 1>from around the world, and I know that there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different customs, a lot of different cultures.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is the common thread that you find when

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<v Speaker 1>you go from nation to nation and visit with culture

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there is a level of turbulence.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, I wish it wasn't being experienced around the world

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<v Speaker 3>quite comparable to what.

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<v Speaker 2>We're experiencing in the US.

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<v Speaker 3>The attack upon marriage, the attack upon the family, the

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<v Speaker 3>attack upon babies within the room, the attack on Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>the anti Semitism that has a presence in countries around

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<v Speaker 3>the world, the co transgenderism movement.

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<v Speaker 2>It is quite global in scope.

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<v Speaker 3>The good news is there is a people in every nation,

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<v Speaker 3>the people group that are rising up against that and

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<v Speaker 3>trying to establish re establish sanity, to step away from

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<v Speaker 3>the wokeness. There is a call for righteousness in many nations.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it's a small remnant, sometimes it's a growing movement.

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<v Speaker 3>But the fact is that the battle for good and

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<v Speaker 3>evil is never along strict political lines. The real issue

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<v Speaker 3>is not political party. The real issue is good versus evil,

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<v Speaker 3>Light versus darkness. The things of God is opposed to

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<v Speaker 3>things of the evil one. And so that's the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of battle we see for truth and righteousness and holiness,

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<v Speaker 3>and that the justice that people long for, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>a battle being waged in all one hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 2>Of this world.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Garlo, it's amazing to talk to you, and do

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of listen to your story and your synopsis

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<v Speaker 1>of what you've been seeing around the globe. Like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it really doesn't seem like it's a whole lot different

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<v Speaker 1>than what we're seeing in our own backyard and in

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<v Speaker 1>our own neighborhood and in our own state. But common

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<v Speaker 1>thread here. Do you see people showing their faith a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more these days? Or do you see them

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<v Speaker 1>feel oppressed or challenged? Are we seeing some daylight?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>The gray has disappeared, and you're either one side or

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<v Speaker 3>the other. You either stand for true or you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Do You either stand for that which is righteous or

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<v Speaker 3>you don't. The mushy middle is is really gone. It

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<v Speaker 3>disappeared in the last twenty five years, and so it

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<v Speaker 3>pushes people out. And I find people of faith, people

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<v Speaker 3>of faith are joined by people who might not see

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<v Speaker 3>themselves as people of faith, yet they have a vestige

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<v Speaker 3>of Judaeo Christian values in them, and they see something

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<v Speaker 3>that's going wrong. And so there's a rising up of

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<v Speaker 3>the combination of people who have a strong faith in

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ alongside those who really don't see themselves that way,

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<v Speaker 3>but they still have the value structures of the scriptures.

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<v Speaker 3>And those two groups kind of joined together to stand

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<v Speaker 3>against the irrationality of wokeness that has impacted almost every nation.

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<v Speaker 3>What we've experienced here, for example, in the attacks upon

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump or the tax on the administration. That is,

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<v Speaker 3>I could take you to Bolivia, I could take you

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<v Speaker 3>to Brazil. I could I take you to country by

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<v Speaker 3>country where that is actually happening or right now it

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<v Speaker 3>follows the day pattern. There's places like Hungary or Victor ORBN.

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<v Speaker 3>He stands against it. He stands against the wokeness, but

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<v Speaker 3>he takes tremendous criticism for it from the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>the European Union. There's only a couple of countries in

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<v Speaker 3>the European Union. You're willing to stand for truth. The

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<v Speaker 3>outbreak of anti Semitism is strong. For example, we just

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<v Speaker 3>got back from Ireland. Just got back from there. Ireland

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<v Speaker 3>is the first country in Europe to refuse to accept

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<v Speaker 3>any goods from Israel made in Israel. That's the first

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<v Speaker 3>time in Europe since Nazi Germany that a country has

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<v Speaker 3>taken that severe stand. Wow. And there's there's when when

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<v Speaker 3>we met three times with Premiser net Yahoo, when he

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<v Speaker 3>flies from Tel Aviv from from Israel and.

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<v Speaker 2>Flies to let's say Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 3>Should be maybe this X number of hours, but it

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<v Speaker 3>cost him about three more hours because there's numbers of

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<v Speaker 3>countries that.

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<v Speaker 2>Are part of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Hague organization in which has declared him illegal. And there

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<v Speaker 3>was that the if he lands in their country, they

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<v Speaker 3>arrest him and imprisoned him. So he has to fly

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<v Speaker 3>out of his way to stay over countries that will

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<v Speaker 3>not arrest him in case they had an emergency landing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how severe the anti Semitism is we're seeing in

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<v Speaker 2>That's the part that's across Europe we're talking about right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, so it causes us to stand and rise and

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<v Speaker 3>meets this challenge and refuse to allow us to have

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<v Speaker 3>a repeat of eighty years ago with Hitler in Nazi Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Garlow. One thing that many people are confused over

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<v Speaker 1>is how after reading in history of World War two

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<v Speaker 1>and the treatment of the Jews back then, why are

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<v Speaker 1>we seeing some of this start to repeat. I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 1>some irrespectors of a time we don't want to revisit.

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<v Speaker 1>And I understand that there are forces out there that

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<v Speaker 1>would like to maybe shift a narrative or perhaps conflate

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<v Speaker 1>a few stories about that attack that happened that caused

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<v Speaker 1>this war with Gaza. From everything I've read, that's been factual.

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<v Speaker 1>This began as an attack with people with hang gliders

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<v Speaker 1>and machine guns and there were unarmed people at a

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<v Speaker 1>festival that got mowed down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we have been to that festival site.

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<v Speaker 3>We have been to the kibbutz where they burned an

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<v Speaker 3>attacked and burned babies and raped women. We've been right

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<v Speaker 3>on the site of that where the first wave was

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<v Speaker 3>military coming across, but the second third wave we're actually

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<v Speaker 3>civilians coming across and just slaughtering and murdering. We've been

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<v Speaker 3>with the families who've been killed. We've been over there.

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<v Speaker 3>We keep going over right during the war, we keep going.

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<v Speaker 3>We believe God's safety is upon this. So we've gone

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<v Speaker 3>multiple times during this war, three or four times during

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<v Speaker 3>this But the fact is that I'm convinced that the

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<v Speaker 3>reason the Jews are so persecuted the most for the

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<v Speaker 3>longest continuous period, the most persecuted people group in the world,

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<v Speaker 3>is for one simple reason. It can't be because there's

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<v Speaker 3>too many of them, because there's only about fifteen million

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<v Speaker 3>that we know of. That's a very tiny group among

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<v Speaker 3>eight billion. It can't be because they have much land,

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<v Speaker 3>because they only have one third of one percent of

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<v Speaker 3>the land in the Middle East. They have a tiny

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<v Speaker 3>little sliver of land the size of New Jersey. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just really dinky. It's so small. God in the Bible,

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<v Speaker 3>God promises you fraight each of the nile that's three

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<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand square miles. Even under King David, Israel only

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<v Speaker 3>had two under thousand square miles. Right now they have

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<v Speaker 3>eight thousand square miles. So they have a peace of

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<v Speaker 3>what God promised them as the people in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>the land. So it can't be because they have too

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<v Speaker 3>much land. Why is it that people persecute the Jews.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm convinced just because the Jews remind people of God.

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<v Speaker 3>The very existence of the Jewish people is a miracle.

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<v Speaker 3>The very existence of a nation called Israel that came

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<v Speaker 3>back into existence at that long time, re established his language,

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<v Speaker 3>re establish his currency, re established his customer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's unheard of. That is a miracle.

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<v Speaker 3>The existence of the Jewish people reminds people of God

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<v Speaker 3>because the Jews gave us the Kanak that give us

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<v Speaker 3>the Torah, they gave us the teaching, they gave us

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<v Speaker 3>the Psalms, they gave us the proverbs, they gave us

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<v Speaker 3>the Messiahs, they gave us the teaching on the Messiah.

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<v Speaker 3>And if people believe there's a God, then that God

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<v Speaker 3>has a moral order. And if there's a moral order,

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<v Speaker 3>we're supposed to follow it. And the human heart can

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<v Speaker 3>be very wicked, does not want to follow that at all.

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<v Speaker 3>As a result of that, they take it out of

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<v Speaker 3>the Jews, whether it's even subconscious, perhaps they take it

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<v Speaker 3>on the Jews because the Jews remind us of the

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<v Speaker 3>existence of God at his core. It's an anti God movement.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, incredible. We're going to hear a lot more from

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<v Speaker 1>you coming up on August eleventh, a very special event.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be at Oklahoma Wesleyan University Chapel. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you have a time set for this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Time seven pm and you are all invited.

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<v Speaker 1>Great doctor Garlow, thank you very much for being here

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<v Speaker 1>with us and being a special guest with us on

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<v Speaker 1>Community Connection, My.

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<v Speaker 2>Privilege, my friend. Will see you August eleventh,