Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to Community connection. Right here on
Speaker 1: K one, the one you trust. I'm speaking with doctor
Speaker 1: Jim Garlow, who's the founder and CEO of Well Versed.
Speaker 1: In case you don't know, it's a ministry of two
Speaker 1: members of Congress, also ambassadors at the United Nations in
Speaker 1: New York, and other elected officials bringing biblical principles of
Speaker 1: governance to government leaders. That must make you a busy man,
Speaker 1: Doctor Garlow, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you good I'm with you, my friend.
Speaker 1: Well, I understand that you've also served on President Trump's
Speaker 1: Faith Advisory team for about four years, and you've met
Speaker 1: with the small delegations with ten presidents and prime ministers
Speaker 1: and if I'm not mistaken, even one king.
Speaker 3: That's right, it's actually twelve now, oh.
Speaker 2: Presidents and kings as well as.
Speaker 3: As well as many many members of Parliament across Europe,
Speaker 3: members of Congress in South America and here in the US.
Speaker 1: Now, when you get together with these people, these government types,
Speaker 1: what kind of conversations take place.
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on the setting and what the opportunities present.
Speaker 3: But basically, our whole purpose is to try to bring
Speaker 3: actual Biblical principles that governess of government leaders. I have
Speaker 3: two books, one called Well Versed and the most recent
Speaker 3: one called Reversed from Culturally Woke to Biblically Awake, and
Speaker 3: between the two books that lays out the Biblical foundations
Speaker 3: to ninety political topics governmental issues. So what we want
Speaker 3: to encourage people to do is to really think scripturally,
Speaker 3: think biblically if they're not followers of the Lord, and
Speaker 3: then we just encourage them to realize that there is
Speaker 3: a transcendent information that is available to them.
Speaker 2: Through the scriptures. God is the one who thought.
Speaker 3: Of government was his idea and to the extent that
Speaker 3: the nation will follow biblical principles, so that THINKNX and
Speaker 3: it can reduce human I am suffering at poverty. To
Speaker 3: the extend it violates biblical principles of governments, it increases
Speaker 3: human pain, suffering and poverty. So we try to make
Speaker 3: the case that says God thought of government and nations
Speaker 3: was his idea to be really good to check out
Speaker 3: what he says about how civil government should function.
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you got your work cut out
Speaker 1: for you. But you know it's great. You're going to
Speaker 1: be coming back to Bartlesville coming up on August eleventh.
Speaker 1: You're no stranger to our town, that's for sure. Many
Speaker 1: people know you.
Speaker 2: Oh. I love Bartlesville.
Speaker 3: I taught there for several years A long time ago,
Speaker 3: served on the board of Oklahoma Western University, and I'm
Speaker 3: a graduate of one of the antistdent institutions. It was
Speaker 3: in Kansas at that time that it merged with Bartlesville
Speaker 3: Westley College, which is for Oklahoma Western University now.
Speaker 2: So I have deep ties.
Speaker 3: I was on staff part time at First west Lean
Speaker 3: Church there, so I know a lot of people in
Speaker 3: Bartlesville and love that community. Great place.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess they're going to be open, They're going
Speaker 1: to be welcoming you with open arms. Coming up on
Speaker 1: August eleventh, you have a special event coming up at
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma Wesleyan University Chapel. Can you tell us about it?
Speaker 3: Yes, that will be Monday night, August eleven, and that's
Speaker 3: at seven pm.
Speaker 2: As you've already indicated, Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: Westley University and my wife and are going to be
Speaker 3: sharing just simply about what we've discovered from travel around
Speaker 3: the country.
Speaker 2: The ministry we have.
Speaker 3: My wife, my first wife who lived with me in Bartlesville,
Speaker 3: was a part of the faculty when I was my wife,
Speaker 3: and when I was there, she since passed away. Her
Speaker 3: name was Carol, and everybody knows Carol in that community,
Speaker 3: but Rosemary, when I remarried on a Rosemary Schindler is
Speaker 3: related through her first marriage. Her husband's deceased to Oscar Schendler,
Speaker 3: and Rosemary's made seventy eight trips to Israel. So she
Speaker 3: will be sharing a lot about Israel, and I will
Speaker 3: be sharing about our various meetings in various countries. We
Speaker 3: just got back from Uruguay, from Argentina, from England, from Ireland,
Speaker 3: poland Ukraine. As we've been on the road here quite
Speaker 3: a bit recently, as we're sharing what we're seeing, what
Speaker 3: we're observing globally, and what God is doing in terms
Speaker 3: of re establishing biblical principles and governments, I think in
Speaker 3: the midst of all the troubling news, and there is
Speaker 3: a lot of troubling news, there's also some.
Speaker 2: Reason for encouragement.
Speaker 3: And so we're going to be bringing not only the
Speaker 3: tough news that what's out there, but also some good
Speaker 3: things that God is up to in a number of nations.
Speaker 1: I have to ask, I've never been outside of the
Speaker 1: United States. But I imagine that. But I've met people
Speaker 1: from around the world, and I know that there are
Speaker 1: a lot of different customs, a lot of different cultures.
Speaker 1: But what is the common thread that you find when
Speaker 1: you go from nation to nation and visit with culture
Speaker 1: to culture.
Speaker 2: Well, there is a level of turbulence.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I wish it wasn't being experienced around the world
Speaker 3: quite comparable to what.
Speaker 2: We're experiencing in the US.
Speaker 3: The attack upon marriage, the attack upon the family, the
Speaker 3: attack upon babies within the room, the attack on Israel,
Speaker 3: the anti Semitism that has a presence in countries around
Speaker 3: the world, the co transgenderism movement.
Speaker 2: It is quite global in scope.
Speaker 3: The good news is there is a people in every nation,
Speaker 3: the people group that are rising up against that and
Speaker 3: trying to establish re establish sanity, to step away from
Speaker 3: the wokeness. There is a call for righteousness in many nations.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a small remnant, sometimes it's a growing movement.
Speaker 3: But the fact is that the battle for good and
Speaker 3: evil is never along strict political lines. The real issue
Speaker 3: is not political party. The real issue is good versus evil,
Speaker 3: Light versus darkness. The things of God is opposed to
Speaker 3: things of the evil one. And so that's the kind
Speaker 3: of battle we see for truth and righteousness and holiness,
Speaker 3: and that the justice that people long for, and that's
Speaker 3: a battle being waged in all one hundred and ninety
Speaker 3: three countries.
Speaker 2: Of this world.
Speaker 1: Doctor Garlo, it's amazing to talk to you, and do
Speaker 1: you kind of listen to your story and your synopsis
Speaker 1: of what you've been seeing around the globe. Like you said,
Speaker 1: it really doesn't seem like it's a whole lot different
Speaker 1: than what we're seeing in our own backyard and in
Speaker 1: our own neighborhood and in our own state. But common
Speaker 1: thread here. Do you see people showing their faith a
Speaker 1: little bit more these days? Or do you see them
Speaker 1: feel oppressed or challenged? Are we seeing some daylight?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: The gray has disappeared, and you're either one side or
Speaker 3: the other. You either stand for true or you don't.
Speaker 3: Do You either stand for that which is righteous or
Speaker 3: you don't. The mushy middle is is really gone. It
Speaker 3: disappeared in the last twenty five years, and so it
Speaker 3: pushes people out. And I find people of faith, people
Speaker 3: of faith are joined by people who might not see
Speaker 3: themselves as people of faith, yet they have a vestige
Speaker 3: of Judaeo Christian values in them, and they see something
Speaker 3: that's going wrong. And so there's a rising up of
Speaker 3: the combination of people who have a strong faith in
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ alongside those who really don't see themselves that way,
Speaker 3: but they still have the value structures of the scriptures.
Speaker 3: And those two groups kind of joined together to stand
Speaker 3: against the irrationality of wokeness that has impacted almost every nation.
Speaker 3: What we've experienced here, for example, in the attacks upon
Speaker 3: Donald Trump or the tax on the administration. That is,
Speaker 3: I could take you to Bolivia, I could take you
Speaker 3: to Brazil. I could I take you to country by
Speaker 3: country where that is actually happening or right now it
Speaker 3: follows the day pattern. There's places like Hungary or Victor ORBN.
Speaker 3: He stands against it. He stands against the wokeness, but
Speaker 3: he takes tremendous criticism for it from the rest of
Speaker 3: the European Union. There's only a couple of countries in
Speaker 3: the European Union. You're willing to stand for truth. The
Speaker 3: outbreak of anti Semitism is strong. For example, we just
Speaker 3: got back from Ireland. Just got back from there. Ireland
Speaker 3: is the first country in Europe to refuse to accept
Speaker 3: any goods from Israel made in Israel. That's the first
Speaker 3: time in Europe since Nazi Germany that a country has
Speaker 3: taken that severe stand. Wow. And there's there's when when
Speaker 3: we met three times with Premiser net Yahoo, when he
Speaker 3: flies from Tel Aviv from from Israel and.
Speaker 2: Flies to let's say Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: Should be maybe this X number of hours, but it
Speaker 3: cost him about three more hours because there's numbers of
Speaker 3: countries that.
Speaker 2: Are part of the.
Speaker 3: Hague organization in which has declared him illegal. And there
Speaker 3: was that the if he lands in their country, they
Speaker 3: arrest him and imprisoned him. So he has to fly
Speaker 3: out of his way to stay over countries that will
Speaker 3: not arrest him in case they had an emergency landing.
Speaker 3: That's how severe the anti Semitism is we're seeing in
Speaker 3: parts of the world.
Speaker 2: That's the part that's across Europe we're talking about right now.
Speaker 3: Oh, so it causes us to stand and rise and
Speaker 3: meets this challenge and refuse to allow us to have
Speaker 3: a repeat of eighty years ago with Hitler in Nazi Germany.
Speaker 1: Doctor Garlow. One thing that many people are confused over
Speaker 1: is how after reading in history of World War two
Speaker 1: and the treatment of the Jews back then, why are
Speaker 1: we seeing some of this start to repeat. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: some irrespectors of a time we don't want to revisit.
Speaker 1: And I understand that there are forces out there that
Speaker 1: would like to maybe shift a narrative or perhaps conflate
Speaker 1: a few stories about that attack that happened that caused
Speaker 1: this war with Gaza. From everything I've read, that's been factual.
Speaker 1: This began as an attack with people with hang gliders
Speaker 1: and machine guns and there were unarmed people at a
Speaker 1: festival that got mowed down.
Speaker 2: Yes, we have been to that festival site.
Speaker 3: We have been to the kibbutz where they burned an
Speaker 3: attacked and burned babies and raped women. We've been right
Speaker 3: on the site of that where the first wave was
Speaker 3: military coming across, but the second third wave we're actually
Speaker 3: civilians coming across and just slaughtering and murdering. We've been
Speaker 3: with the families who've been killed. We've been over there.
Speaker 3: We keep going over right during the war, we keep going.
Speaker 3: We believe God's safety is upon this. So we've gone
Speaker 3: multiple times during this war, three or four times during
Speaker 3: this But the fact is that I'm convinced that the
Speaker 3: reason the Jews are so persecuted the most for the
Speaker 3: longest continuous period, the most persecuted people group in the world,
Speaker 3: is for one simple reason. It can't be because there's
Speaker 3: too many of them, because there's only about fifteen million
Speaker 3: that we know of. That's a very tiny group among
Speaker 3: eight billion. It can't be because they have much land,
Speaker 3: because they only have one third of one percent of
Speaker 3: the land in the Middle East. They have a tiny
Speaker 3: little sliver of land the size of New Jersey. It's
Speaker 3: just really dinky. It's so small. God in the Bible,
Speaker 3: God promises you fraight each of the nile that's three
Speaker 3: hundred thousand square miles. Even under King David, Israel only
Speaker 3: had two under thousand square miles. Right now they have
Speaker 3: eight thousand square miles. So they have a peace of
Speaker 3: what God promised them as the people in terms of
Speaker 3: the land. So it can't be because they have too
Speaker 3: much land. Why is it that people persecute the Jews.
Speaker 3: I'm convinced just because the Jews remind people of God.
Speaker 3: The very existence of the Jewish people is a miracle.
Speaker 3: The very existence of a nation called Israel that came
Speaker 3: back into existence at that long time, re established his language,
Speaker 3: re establish his currency, re established his customer.
Speaker 2: That's unheard of. That is a miracle.
Speaker 3: The existence of the Jewish people reminds people of God
Speaker 3: because the Jews gave us the Kanak that give us
Speaker 3: the Torah, they gave us the teaching, they gave us
Speaker 3: the Psalms, they gave us the proverbs, they gave us
Speaker 3: the Messiahs, they gave us the teaching on the Messiah.
Speaker 3: And if people believe there's a God, then that God
Speaker 3: has a moral order. And if there's a moral order,
Speaker 3: we're supposed to follow it. And the human heart can
Speaker 3: be very wicked, does not want to follow that at all.
Speaker 3: As a result of that, they take it out of
Speaker 3: the Jews, whether it's even subconscious, perhaps they take it
Speaker 3: on the Jews because the Jews remind us of the
Speaker 3: existence of God at his core. It's an anti God movement.
Speaker 1: Wow, incredible. We're going to hear a lot more from
Speaker 1: you coming up on August eleventh, a very special event.
Speaker 1: It's going to be at Oklahoma Wesleyan University Chapel. Do
Speaker 1: you have a time set for this is going to
Speaker 1: be in the evening.
Speaker 2: Time seven pm and you are all invited.
Speaker 1: Great doctor Garlow, thank you very much for being here
Speaker 1: with us and being a special guest with us on
Speaker 1: Community Connection, My.
Speaker 2: Privilege, my friend. Will see you August eleventh,