WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.320 Welcome to spacing Out with BB and Jason this week 2 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:11.119 covering Foundation season two, episode six, Why the Gods Made Wine. 3 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:16.519 Welcome to spacing Out. 4 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:20.480 I'm Bb and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the 5 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:24.480 Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a time. 6 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:28.440 Spoiler free. We have not watched anything beyond this episode, 7 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:29.440 so we can't spoil it. 8 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:30.039 Yeah. 9 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.719 In this episode, Salvor meets a young Mentallic and learns 10 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:37.840 how Tellum rescues telepaths, but tensions rise when Tellum opposes 11 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:41.039 a second Foundation and gives Gail an ultimatum choose between 12 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:44.520 Harry and the Mentallics. Harry distrusts tell him, and after 13 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:46.960 an argument, she secretly traps him in a title pool 14 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.960 to drown while he experiences visions of his past on 15 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:54.399 trantor Sarah upstage his brother Day during their public introduction, 16 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:59.600 unsettling him, while Constant and Polly arrive and are promptly arrested. Meanwhile, 17 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:04.560 Hober locates the Spacer mothership and boards it, and Constant no, 18 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:05.959 that's see. In the sentence. 19 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:12.200 Vibe check, did we like the episode overall? 20 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:14.519 It was all right. I like this one. 21 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:18.400 Yeah, I think this was a pretty solid episode. Honestly. Yeah, 22 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:21.519 I was not expecting it to go into like this 23 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:25.200 deep dive into Harry Selden's background and stuff. 24 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:27.519 But I think they want you to like him, yeah, 25 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:28.319 which is helping. 26 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:30.959 Yeah, it wasn't off putting. If you told me in 27 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:33.560 advance of like you're gonna spend like the last twenty 28 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.599 minutes of this episode just all Harry Seldyn, they'd be like, 29 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:40.519 oh God. But yeah, no, it was really interesting and yeah, 30 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:42.519 all the all the storylines are interesting. 31 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:46.480 So I forgot all about that magician guy. 32 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:50.840 Yeah, honestly, I don't remember what he's trying to do 33 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:51.480 right now. 34 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:53.400 He's like on some coordinate mission. 35 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:55.200 Yeah, I know they sent him on a mission. They 36 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.799 gave him the ship and everything. I still remember what 37 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:02.879 his goal was. I assume they're going to touch on 38 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:03.920 that next episode. 39 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:10.960 So trivia time, What facts or news could we uncover 40 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:12.560 for Why the Gods Made Wine? 41 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.599 This is Foundation season two, episode six, Why the Gods 42 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:20.479 Made Wine originally aired on August eighteenth, twenty twenty three, 43 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.439 and the teleplay was written by Jane Espenson, with a 44 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:26.759 story by David S. Goyer and directed by Alex Graves. 45 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:29.319 All Right, so I couldn't find any specific trivia about 46 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:32.639 this episode, but I thought we could look at what's 47 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:35.439 to come with season three, which I'm sure we'll look 48 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:36.840 at it again when we get to the end of 49 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:40.400 the season. But so season three does not have a 50 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:42.879 release state yet, but it expected to come out in 51 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.879 twenty twenty five. And season three began filming in late 52 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:49.680 May twenty twenty three, and then filming was halted due 53 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:52.960 to the Hollywood labor disputes, and then when it resumed 54 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:57.159 production in February twenty twenty four, production disbanded once again 55 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:01.120 due to budgetary issues, before then resume in March twenty 56 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:04.520 twenty four, and then showrunner David S. Goyer has now 57 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:08.039 parted ways with the series, presumably due to these budget disputes. 58 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:11.319 So a lot of turmoil with the third season, but 59 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:14.520 it appears to have been shot and should come out 60 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:18.520 sometime over the next year. And then Alexander Sadig, who 61 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:23.000 we know as doctor Julian Basher, he's been cast in 62 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.599 a role as doctor Ebling Meee, was a character from 63 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:27.680 the books, and if you remember, he was also in 64 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:30.039 I think the first episode of the first season as 65 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.439 a different character, so he must be a fan to 66 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:33.919 want to come back new something else? 67 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:35.960 Are the album or the money was right? 68 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:39.199 Yeah, it's true. That sounds like the money's tight. They 69 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:42.280 also announced that season four writing is underway with a 70 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:44.360 new showrunner on board. 71 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:50.599 Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts 72 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.759 on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us 73 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:57.520 through email or social media. We may use your comments 74 00:03:57.520 --> 00:03:59.039 on an upcoming episode. 75 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:03.680 All right, deep Space dive. Unless you're Harry Seldon and 76 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:10.159 that's a deep sea dive. O, suck it, Harry. Why 77 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:11.479 are the gods made wine? 78 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:16.160 Why they say was to distract you because your enemies, 79 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.040 like you couldn't stab them, so you make them foolish 80 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:23.399 or something like that. So it's all about betrayal, That's 81 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:28.560 what it was. They look like little country bumpkins coming 82 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:32.319 into that city. They're like, oh, going through security and 83 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:37.120 like seeing all those people and stuff and talk like 84 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:42.000 laying out all their cards to immigration like idiots. Yeah what, 85 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:44.720 no wonder they got caught up? 86 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.319 Yeah, like surely their their immigration isn't as simple as 87 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:50.319 just like okay, here you go. 88 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.000 I mean some people, that's that's all it takes. It's 89 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:54.560 just like what are you what are you in for 90 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:58.399 I'm here to visit family, who I'm here on a vacation. 91 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:02.680 All right, here's your travel visa. Have fun. And that's 92 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:06.319 how a lot of people actually get into the country 93 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:09.319 and then they like it, or they get a job, 94 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:14.199 or they fall in love, and they end up overstaying 95 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:19.360 their visa. There's if there was an easier way to 96 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:23.160 become a lawful resident in this country where we live 97 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:25.920 right now, in the United States, that would we wouldn't 98 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.600 have so many quote unquote illegal people. Like I don't 99 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:32.120 feel like people can be illegal, it's just that their 100 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:36.519 status in the country is not easy to It's it's 101 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:40.439 not lawful or whatever. But most of most people that 102 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:43.839 come here, they just end up staying over their their 103 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:48.120 travel visa or their student visa. God forbid. You come 104 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.639 here and they find out you're working. But it was like, oh, yeah, 105 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:53.920 I'm from the outer reach and I'm here to talk 106 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:56.920 to Empire about our business. Why would you tell them 107 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:00.639 all that I'm here to travel, I'm a visit. 108 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:06.279 Yeah, I'm I'm hearing a diplomatic mission yet unannounced. 109 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:10.240 No appointment, No one's expecting me. That sucks. 110 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:13.439 Though they got disappeared and right as he was letting 111 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:14.279 go of his addiction. 112 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:16.439 Yeah, no, I think he let it go when he 113 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:18.839 met that Harry Selden in that little prison. 114 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:22.439 Yeah, so that's what they were doing on Trentor. We 115 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:27.120 also touched space with the emperor making his announcement to 116 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.439 the people that was then bowguarded hijacked. 117 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:35.279 Even the handmaiden or the Asian lady who takes after her, 118 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:38.160 was like kind of shook that she was doing all this, 119 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:41.199 and he gave her a look like I'm gonna beat 120 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:44.079 you when we get home. Their relationship is so toxic, 121 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.920 and I'm worried about empire because he's not popular by 122 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:53.000 any means anymore. Like he's losing planets, he's doing bad stuff. 123 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:58.439 So having a fresh young face with a cloud dress on, like, 124 00:06:58.879 --> 00:06:59.480 what do you do. 125 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:01.279 When you don't what do you mean? 126 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:05.639 He's like handing over the empire to this young woman, 127 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:09.879 like she's way more charismatic than he is. He sucks. 128 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.360 He's gonna he's like fucking around and finding out all at. 129 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:17.680 Once, yep, because he can't just like get rid of 130 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:21.519 her now because they made that big public announcement. She's like, hey, 131 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:24.639 this is basically a democracy. Now it's telling the people 132 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:28.399 that we serve you and your requests are our obligations. 133 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:30.360 And the look on his face is like, that's the 134 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:33.519 worst thing I've ever heard. Yeah, Like I hate that idea. 135 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:34.639 I don't want to do that. 136 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:35.439 Yeah. 137 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:39.360 And meanwhile the other brother down and Dusk are like, yeah, 138 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:40.959 he's about to find out. 139 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:45.680 They were like ooh. When she had grabbed the mic, 140 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:53.040 the old one especially, his reaction was great, Oh, it's crazy. 141 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:55.519 I don't know, man, that's why you That's why I 142 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:59.199 like you. Really, he really didn't vet her, and I 143 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:02.519 feel like they're conversation in the bedroom when he became 144 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:06.120 flaccid should have been a red flag because this guy, 145 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:10.079 obviously the reason he loves the robot is because she 146 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:16.120 is controllable. He commands her and she obeys. This other 147 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:20.480 woman is not like that at all, and they're obviously 148 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:25.279 not compatible, So like, why force this because the empire's dying. 149 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:28.480 I'm interested to see what's going to happen with her 150 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:32.679 after this little outburst. Yeah, this episode had a lot 151 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:38.000 of not Gails, but her daughter, what's her name, sal Salvar. 152 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:39.799 It had a lot of Salvar in it. 153 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:44.360 Yeah, in the beginning, she was learning all about the mentallics. 154 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:47.799 Yeah, she saw that little boy's memory of getting his 155 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:52.200 throat slit and how that one lady saved him. And 156 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.559 then he's like, oh yeah, and then we do this 157 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:58.440 cool mind trick where we can speak out of our 158 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.039 brains to each other. And she tried to do it 159 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:03.559 and she can figure it out. And then he takes 160 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:07.960 her into town or the village or whatever, and everybody 161 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:14.039 touches her memories. Yeah, which is interesting, like I think. 162 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.559 Well, and by the people too, just like like zombies 163 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:17.279 reaching at her. 164 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:20.879 You know, that's how you saw it. That's not how 165 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:23.399 I saw it. I saw it as like a group 166 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:27.919 of people who were excited to share their story with 167 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:31.039 a stranger in a way that we don't get to 168 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:34.200 do a lot in our daily lives. To share your story, 169 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:39.159 especially something that's traumatic or you know the reason why 170 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:43.240 you're othered it's it's uh trauma bonding a little bit. 171 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.039 So I kind of like that. I thought it was 172 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:49.720 sweet and special and kind of overwhelmbeaten too, Like I 173 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:53.279 would be so overwhelmed to be one touched by so 174 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:58.159 many people, but also to be flooded with the experiences, 175 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:03.480 the smells, the sights, the emotions of what they felt 176 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.080 right before they were saved by this woman. That would 177 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:10.639 be overwhelming, I think, And so I like that she 178 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:13.559 had to take some time and go be alone with 179 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:16.399 Harry and Fish. 180 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.440 And they try to figure out why why would Harry 181 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:21.440 have been made human? It seems like, oh, he's weaker 182 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:23.639 now than when he was more but her. 183 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.480 Her logic was that he now he has some skin 184 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:32.600 in the game. Yeah, literally, like he's physically manifested in 185 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:35.279 a way where he can lose his life, and now 186 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.759 maybe life is more precious to him as a human 187 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:42.600 than it would have been as an algorithms or whatever 188 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:43.480 the fuck he was. 189 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:47.039 Yeah, there's a lot of concern about, you know, failing 190 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:49.960 to see the humanity and all this when they're trying 191 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:53.279 to save people, and that people can become numbers or 192 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:57.159 just you know, planets without faces to them. 193 00:10:57.159 --> 00:10:59.799 What a plot twist that that lady who saved so 194 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:03.799 many lives as actually like a people hate her, like 195 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.399 she hates normal humans like Harry. I was like, oh damn, 196 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.360 she's just as bad as the humans are who are 197 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:12.559 like persecuting the people that she's saving. 198 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:16.600 Yeah, because at first, when she's like, I like what 199 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:18.840 you're trying to do saving people. I just wish we 200 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:21.399 could do it without Harry Seldon. I'm like, yeah, me too, 201 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:22.159 I can get. 202 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.120 On board with that. Yeah. I was like, yeah, I'm 203 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:27.320 honestly like, yeah, I can understand that. I feel that, 204 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:31.000 and I think Gail should totally go solo. 205 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.679 But then she starts saying a few things here and there. 206 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:37.879 She's like, we should be saving the right people or 207 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:41.840 something like that. Oh yeah, I don't know what do 208 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:42.559 you make of her. 209 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:51.440 I think she's a classic like sociopath where you pick 210 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:54.759 and choose who's worthy of your time and energy and 211 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:59.840 you don't see the humanity and the people that aren't 212 00:11:59.879 --> 00:12:04.519 like you. So it's just like it's a typical asshole. 213 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:09.559 She's a dick. She's only saving the people she deems 214 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:14.559 worthy of saving, which is not the way that you 215 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:18.320 should be saving people. It's like, I don't know, It's like, 216 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.279 just because you don't like everybody doesn't mean they don't 217 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:25.919 deserve to live. But that's exactly how she feels. Because 218 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:30.120 we are different, we deserve to live, and no everybody 219 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:34.320 else deserves to die perish. And she wants to destroy 220 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:39.559 the Foundation because it's saving a version of humanity that 221 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.360 she does not agree should be saved. I mean, I 222 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:45.799 don't know. You can't pick and choose who's human and 223 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.639 who's worthy of living a human life. And when you 224 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:52.840 start doing that, you start becoming the problem. So it 225 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:54.879 kind of sucks because I really liked her in the 226 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:56.600 first episode she showed up in. 227 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:59.279 Yeah, So now we're in this situation where it's like 228 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:02.360 it's hard to try anyone when she can be so 229 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:04.879 manipulative and deceptive. 230 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:07.159 And she like makes you go into your own mind 231 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:10.120 to fuck you up, yeah, and do things you don't 232 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:13.360 want to do, like when she threw the water at 233 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.240 Gale and she like made her be at her home 234 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:19.360 planet all of a sudden. That was so fucked up 235 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:23.240 to do that to somebody without their consent, without warning, 236 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:26.840 that like that right there was like huge red flag. 237 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:30.639 To show up unannounced, to talk to me out of 238 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:34.799 your voice in a way that's kind of condescending, like well, 239 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:36.799 I can't talk like that. How dare you, you know, 240 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:40.799 talk to me on my level, and then to manipulate 241 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:43.519 me to the point where I feel like, oh, you're 242 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.879 trying to make me vulnerable, and then present an idea 243 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:51.960 to me that says, turn your back on everything that 244 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:57.759 you know and join this group without any knowledge of 245 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.240 what this group is really about. You've known us for 246 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.360 like a couple of hours, but here lead us because 247 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.759 you're special. And Gail fucking takes the bait, which shows 248 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:13.039 that she's still fooper ignorant and young and naive about 249 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.519 the world around her. Because if a bitch had me 250 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:20.080 going back to my home world, a place that brings 251 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:23.600 me a lot of grief, I'd be on edge and 252 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.440 I would be not receptive at all, especially with the 253 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:32.320 circumstances in which we met are deception, lies and outright 254 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:36.279 like like just falsifying your identity, Like why would I 255 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:39.240 trust you at all? Like her testing the water is 256 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:41.480 the least of what she should be doing, but then 257 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:44.320 she goes out and grabs some fruit and gives it 258 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:46.919 to her daughter, Like, bitch, what if that fruit's poisoned? 259 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:49.639 To right, That's what I was thinking the whole time, 260 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:52.080 because they just talked about how like maybe we can't 261 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:53.120 drink the water. 262 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:55.879 What makes you think you can eat or some random fruit? 263 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:59.960 I don't know. It's so fucking weird. I don't understand. 264 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:04.480 And her character development or lack thereof, Like I don't 265 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.519 like because to me, the Gail character doesn't want to 266 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:10.240 be the center of attention. She's just kind of been 267 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:13.879 pulled into this because she's a smart girl, and she's 268 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:17.720 been used for her intelligence time and time again, and 269 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:21.559 now she's just falling into another trap where another person 270 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:25.840 is using her intelligence or her ability to their advantage. 271 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:28.200 That's what Harry did, and now that's what this other 272 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:30.480 woman is doing. And when is she going to fall 273 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:33.720 out of this trap of moving for other people? When 274 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.159 is she going to find her own purpose? What if 275 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:38.639 the foundation has nothing to do with her? She just 276 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:41.639 she's smart enough to see it, Yes, But what if 277 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:44.840 she's smarter to move beyond the foundation And we haven't 278 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:47.519 even gotten into that at all. How there's a flaw 279 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:51.080 in the foundation that she saw there's she hasn't done 280 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:54.919 anything to bring that to light, to bring a resolution 281 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:58.960 to try to fix that problem. What is she doing? 282 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.759 She's trying to eat a cult? Now what the fuck? 283 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:06.320 I'm confused about her character development, I really am, and 284 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:09.879 I must I'm a little upset about it because you 285 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:14.240 would think that after being used and manipulated for so long. 286 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:19.360 Literal centuries. First it was Race, and then it was Harry, 287 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:21.879 and now it's this woman, Like, when is she gonna 288 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.799 break out of this fucking pattern? It's fucked up. I 289 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:26.639 don't like it. I don't like it at all. And 290 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:30.360 I hope that she's able to disconnect from these toxic 291 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.960 people and find her own pass or solve the foundation 292 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:37.440 problem in a way that Harry couldn't do or can't do. 293 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:40.200 I don't know, it's upsetting. I'm just like, why is 294 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:43.919 she doing this? It makes no sense, Like the lady's 295 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:45.919 argument was not compelling. 296 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.480 Enough for me. Yeah, so it's almost like she convinced 297 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:50.759 her off screen. Yeah, so I don't don't have to 298 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:54.279 make of that because tell them even says to her, like, 299 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:57.039 these are your weaknesses. This is what Harry is used to, 300 00:16:57.399 --> 00:16:59.679 you know, manipulate you. And then I feel like she 301 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:04.480 uses those things. Yeah literally, all right, So she has 302 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.119 someone impersonate Harry and fly the beggar. 303 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:11.440 Right, she has fucking lackeys. That's already, like, that's how 304 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.559 bad she is. She's so bad. She has fucking henchman pretending. Well, 305 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:19.279 first of all, she has Gail and them come out 306 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:23.640 and she's like, well, Gail's not gonna be your friend anymore, 307 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:26.960 and she wants you to leave because we're doing the 308 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:31.599 foundation without you. And she manipulates Harry to the point 309 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:34.720 where he's like run away and cry, and that's when 310 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:39.359 she takes her opportunity to impersonate Harry and have him 311 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.079 fly away on the ship, which honestly would have been 312 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:44.160 the best thing for him to do if he could 313 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:48.400 have done that, just fucking leave those bitches. Then, Like 314 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:53.119 when I saw him leave, I'm like, finally he's leaving, 315 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.400 and he's taking the Radiant with him. Good for him. 316 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:59.400 It's like when you're the little kid who gets bullied 317 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:02.039 and you find decide you're gonna go home and you're 318 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:04.319 taking your ball with you. What are they gonna play 319 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:07.680 with now? But it was actually her two steps ahead 320 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:12.319 of him, fucking taking the thing that has like taking 321 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.319 the ship so they can turn it inside out looking 322 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.319 for this fucking thing that they want to destroy, and 323 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:23.599 she straps him down to a tidepool. Evil genius. Evil genius. 324 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:26.400 Yeah, So now I feel like all our hope is 325 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:29.960 with Salvor because Gail, I feel like she's in the 326 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:30.519 cold now. 327 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.880 Yeah, she's in She's in like sin, she's gone. She's 328 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:40.160 their leader now quote unquote leader, and what's her name. 329 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:43.039 She's like, well, we're gonna explain to her what death means. 330 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:46.480 You know, we're gonna fix it. She's she's gonna forgive me, 331 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:49.519 and she won't mats. She won't care that Harry dies 332 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:56.400 because he's a normy. Yeah, like shit, she's fucked up. 333 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:01.160 And then as Harry is like in his I don't know, 334 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:04.880 it's not a deathbed, but it's kind of like a deathbed. 335 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:08.119 He's like in his final stages of death, he gets 336 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:12.519 transported into these old the past. We see his past, 337 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:16.000 we see what he's guilty about, why he like decided, 338 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:18.680 like why he's been so quiet since he got there, 339 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:22.920 and he's like kind of reserved. Apparently he's a fucking murderer. 340 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:28.640 Yeah what and he killed uh, some bitch from the 341 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:33.960 empire in a pencil skirt with the fucking stampede like 342 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:41.279 scar from fucking the loing Like what Also, the haircut 343 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.759 that they gave to young Harry is fucking ass. What 344 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:48.400 the fuck was that? What the fuck was that they 345 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:50.599 should have made him wear a little hat or something? 346 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.160 What the hell? Like a little professor hat you know 347 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.559 what the hell? I don't know, man, his past is 348 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:01.720 like a very interesting I still don't understand how he 349 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:05.400 got away with murder and was able to recruit Gail 350 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:09.480 with a national contest for mass after that. 351 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:14.519 I mean, I assume that because he did so much 352 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:18.200 manipulation of their tech that he was able to cover 353 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:23.359 whatever tracks or were I guess, so just yeah, And. 354 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:25.920 I'm guessing he took the deal because he was at 355 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:29.960 trantor eventually, so what was all that? I don't want 356 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.519 to go I'll be I'll be so upset if I 357 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:39.400 leave this city. Oh, I'll be so worthless. And he's 358 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:42.680 such a whiner. Just take the deal, go be by 359 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:46.240 the like. You can have your happy wife and life 360 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:50.400 and be under a constant surveillance here, or you can 361 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:53.519 give up your tech. Now, those are your choices, and 362 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:57.279 you chose neither, and you fucking did the thing you 363 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:01.039 didn't want to do anyway, minus a wife and child 364 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:05.920 or whatever. You're your partner. So it's just like, boohoo. 365 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:10.319 I'm so sad when he said if I go there, 366 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:15.279 I'm gonna be so like limited in what I can do. 367 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:18.759 And welcome to the world. Welcome to the world of 368 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:24.599 living in any sort of authoritarian government. You don't want 369 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:28.200 to give up your freedom, bro, When did you have it? 370 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:32.680 When did you have this perceived freedom? Because it's all perceived, baby, 371 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:35.640 it's not real. You were always gonna have to do 372 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:38.279 one or the other. You didn't really have a choice. 373 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:40.519 But you made it worse for yourself by throwing a 374 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:44.319 fucking tantrum and not listening to the woman in your life. 375 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:46.519 And then you lost her, and then you went and 376 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:50.319 murdered another woman. You murdered two women with your actions, 377 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:53.920 one directly one indirectly. He's a trash human being. I 378 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:57.160 don't like him, Like all of this just made me 379 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:01.440 feel like, Aha, fuck, just let him die. His life 380 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:05.920 is miserable. Let him just die. He doesn't want to 381 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:09.759 live anyway, right, Like he thinks everyone is gonna die 382 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:12.359 and every the world is going all down the toilet, 383 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.160 and we need a foundation so we can come out 384 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:18.480 of the toilet a nice new turd. Let him die. 385 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:22.319 We don't need Harry Selden, we really don't. I'm interested 386 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:24.279 to see what's going to happen with him as he 387 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:26.039 is graining the toilet. 388 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.319 Yeah, so we also learned that his wife Yanna was like, 389 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.680 the reason psychohistory works is because of her. Yeah, even 390 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:35.759 though he's out there getting all the credit these days 391 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:39.920 like a man. But yeah, I did find that backstory 392 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:42.960 actually really engaging. Yeah, I was really good. I was 393 00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:46.440 really upset that he murdered a girl fucking scarf from 394 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:50.799 the Lion King style, like what the fuck? You know, 395 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:57.359 if Mufasa just recognized the patterns, he would have been fine. Yeah. So, yeah, 396 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.440 he's drowning and we've fade the black on that. So 397 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:03.000 I think, I mean, Salvor was the one that got 398 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:06.119 to talk to him in between him storming away from 399 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:09.160 that argument and being put in that pool. Yeah, so, 400 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:13.960 I mean she hopefully is suspicious of everything because she 401 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:16.759