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of the United States, of course, but there is also

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a chance that we might make a huge discovery, scientific discovery.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Good Trouble Show. I'm Matt Ford. This month,

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the government quietly stood up a new structure to decide

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what the public gets to see on UAP. On the

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science side, they just turned to my guest.

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Speaker 4: He's a Harvard astrophysicist who directs the Galileo Project, which

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hunts for evidence of technology that well isn't ours, he says.

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The White House, the Pentagon, and the intelligence community tasked

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him to a symbol and lead a new UAP Science

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Advisory Council. I have to tell you I'm super excited

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at the talent that he has a symbol for this.

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and what it doesn't. One quick note, Obvio's here today

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in his personal capacity speaking for himself. Please welcome doctor

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Avi Lobe. Doctor Lobe, how are you, sir?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. We live in exciting times, as

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Speaker 4: We we we certainly, we certainly do, that is for sure.

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So yeah, so OBVI, it's it's great to have you back.

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the show. So how are you doing And how has

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Speaker 1: Well, it seems like the future will be better than

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the past. And the reason I say that we had

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three events over the past week. First, you know, Steven

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the US government had the third batch of disclosing files

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and videos and images this is reality. And over the

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normally Resolution Office in the Pentagon, and the FBI and

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all intelligence community members to provide the advice scientific advice.

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in the Pentagon, doctor John Kozlowski, in which he was

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mentioning an event that lasted two days on October twenty

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twenty three, where law enforcement officials witnessed very unusual objects.

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much longer than a flare could exist. And so they

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concluded that forty percent of the reported phenomena in this

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event cannot be risened out based on technologies that the

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as far as we know now. It's how common is

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it for a government official to admit that they're not

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and here they have an example that they haven't. They

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couldn't really figure it out. And moreover, there is an

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official report released publicly. He could have sent it as

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scientist to help government figure out these things. And that

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the down to earth interpretation is that all of these

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unidentified anomalous phenomena are human.

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that this would be a matter that should be confidentially

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then we are basically announcing that we have holes in

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budget and we're unable to infer objects in our in

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the sky, you know that's a major failure. But to

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admit it publicly, that's even worse. So the other possibilities

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that these are not human made, and that would be,

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explain exactly to the public what this, what this advisory

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Speaker 3: What is the difference.

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Speaker 4: Between what what your what your board is set up

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Speaker 1: Science Advisory consul will receive only unclassified data and that

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our goal is to look into it and then see

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what we can infer from it using.

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we potentially can unravel new details that they haven't noticed.

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better artificial intelligence algorithms, and so it's sort of a

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feedback loop where we can help government do better and

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basically make the Pentagon accomplish its mission of identifying everything

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in the sky, unless, of course, it's not human made,

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in which case, you know, we might need to learn

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new science, new technology that we've never seen before. But

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in order to narrow down the possibilities to that, we

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really need to get better data. That's the way that

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the detective works, you know, And it's not a matter

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of discussions on social media or philosophical arguments. It's a

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that it will guide us to the truth. And my

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and therefore we should get better data, and therefore we

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should analyze it better. And at the end of the day,

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have to decide what to do with that information. But

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you know, it's the same as a Galileo galileib looking

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through the telescope and figuring out that the Earth is

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not at the center of the universe. And now, of

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course the Church was not happy with that. If he

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no choice. They would look like fools because spacecraft were

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looking at the Earth. Clearly the Earth was moving around

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the Earth did that four point five billion times before

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the Vatican even existed. So whether we have neighbors or

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not is not up to social media influencers. It's not

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up to the Kardashians of science. You know, there are

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these people who comment about science. They have their opinions

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about what science is supposed to do. No, it's not

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about you know, whatever they say is completely irrelevant. What

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we need is better data so we can figure it out.

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drawns or some technologies we've never seen in the US before.

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Speaker 2: So be it.

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Speaker 1: We just helped the US government for phil its mission

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of protecting the US in particular strategic sites where a

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 1: It's very easy to tell the difference. An influencer would

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basically go with where the wind blows. In other words,

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an influencer is maximizing the number of likes that they

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of science to recognize something. And you know, so the

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main difference between me being in the field and doing

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the research and nil, the Grist ties on is I

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can score a goal. He will just describe the goal

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after I score it, or he will make some money.

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eyes on the ball, not on the audience. And my

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Speaker 3: Are you're willing to at least tell us that.

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of people. But my job as a scientist is to

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of these things. And it's exciting because it's like a

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detective story. And the way that the detective cracks a

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that reality could be far more inspiring than script of

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Speaker 4: All the council will not have classified access, yes, okay,

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and I take it the information that you'll be receiving

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Speaker 1: So my question, the Council will receive just unclassified them. Yeah,

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but of course the governing board will have more of course.

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able to view classified material only unclassified, no budget, et cetera,

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what do you expect the Council to actually be able

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to do in terms of deliverables.

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and that's the way science is usually done. The best

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science is done openly, when the brightest minds can look

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can decide what is missing. You know, if we see

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some data and we're missing some information, we can recommend

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building new sensors and new AI algorithms that will uh

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crack that mystery and figure it. So we can basically

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highlight what is missing and what needs to be done.

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obsessed with reports from the past and people were arguing

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what does it mean. The point is we can do better.

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Speaker 2: We will get to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 1: So that's the more hopeful approach where the future is

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better than the past.

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Speaker 4: Now, this governing excuse me, not the government governing board,

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the Advisory Council that you're you're heading up.

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Speaker 3: Who do you report to?

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Speaker 4: Are you reporting directly to ARROW, to ODI and I?

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Speaker 3: Okay, and what when? When? When do you expect number

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one to be the first meeting?

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will meet once a month, you know, once every three months.

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Is there any kind of interval that is prescribed in

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its charter whatever is sort of assembling us.

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on on the information data that we are getting, because

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it's all about the data.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: If we don't get any data, there is nothing to discuss.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I already coordinated a meeting just for for the members

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of the team to meet each other, to know each other.

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That will happen tomorrow, but that is not a substantive

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meeting about content. And since you know, we are all

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busy people, the frequency of the meetings will reflect how

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much content we get through the pipeline. And you know,

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if we don't get much content, there is nothing to discuss.

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You know, I have better things to do. But it

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really is the government that will control the level of

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engagement that we have. And let's hope for the best.

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Speaker 3: Now, doctor Lobe, I understand that you had to sign

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a non disclosure agreement. Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: You did not so far?

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Speaker 4: So far, And I believe in another podcast you said

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you were open to signing that.

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Speaker 3: Am I correct?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, even before I was contacted. You see, I'm curious.

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I haven't changed much since the time I was a kid.

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I was always very much connected to nature and wondered

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about the big questions. That's what motivates me, That's what

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gives purpose to my life. And I would just like

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to know the answer. Are we being visited or not?

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And if I'm asked not to reveal it to anyone,

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I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I just want to know. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So if you invite me in the future and I

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know the answer and I'm not allowed.

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Speaker 2: To tell you, I will not tell you.

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Speaker 1: But for me, I just want to figure out, you know,

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what reality is, whether we have a neighbor or not.

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You know, it doesn't really depend on what people say.

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It's a very factual, existential question. And when Enrico fired me,

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you know in nineteen fifty, asked where is everybody? You know,

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it wasn't really very productive of him to do that,

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because I would have told him if I was there,

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you know, I was born twelve years later. But if

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I were there, I would put my arm around him.

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He was Italian, and I would say, en Rico, this

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is a question that every lonely person asks, where is everybody?

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question is don't be so presumptuous.

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Speaker 2: You're not that attractive. You should actually stick seek your

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dating partners.

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Speaker 1: And then Rico unfortunately didn't build any telescope, you know,

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and they may have been you know, those visitors that

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we are talking about, they may have been around for

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a long time. In fact, we don't even know if

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we were put on this earth by someone else, you know,

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we have no idea. I was asked just a week

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ago by a student in France, how come we don't

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see any self replicating probes that for Noymann envisioned, And

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he said, yeah, of course, if you do a simple calculation,

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when if you assume that self replicating probes are produced

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by even one civilization within the Milky Way Galaxy, and

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they move at a small fraction of the speed of light,

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let's say one percent of the speed of light from

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one planet to another, then it would take them just

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one hundred thousand years to fill up the Milky Way

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Galaxy to colonize every planet, because they double whenever they

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go from at least double or more modern double every

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time they visit a new habitable planet. And so since

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we don't see them, does it mean that we are

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alone or there is nobody more advanced.

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Speaker 2: Than we are?

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Speaker 1: And I told him very you know, very simply that

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every day I interact with self replicating intelligent probes.

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Speaker 2: They are called humans. And so an interesting question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, right now, we are developing artificial intelligence, and

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we make it those systems out of silicon chips, but

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we need to invest jigawatts in performing the cognitive tasks

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that the human brain accomplishes with twenty watts compared to

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jigawats to twenty WA's.

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Speaker 2: Now, what does it mean.

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Speaker 1: It means that as much as people in silicon Valley

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are excited about their accomplishments and they get very wealthy

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that in fact, the biggest advance forward will not be

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for us to use silicon chips. It would be to

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use chemistry in biological you know, in synthetic biology, creating

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brains through synthetic biology that are much more capable than

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the human brain, because that seems to be much more efficient,

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much more effective, And we could send astronauts that would

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be constructed through synthetic biology, through engineering of biological processes

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rather than silicon chips, very different approach.

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Speaker 2: Instead of taking sand and purifying.

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Speaker 1: It the way we make silicon chips, you know, you

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build out of chemistry a system that can use the

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nutrients on the surface of a planet like Earth and

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multiply and it's intelligent. So just think about it the future,

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in the distant future, we might reach the point where

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we use synthetic biology instead of silicon chips to make

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intelligent But humans are already representing that. They can you know,

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they are self replicating, they're intelligent. I mean, you can

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imagine that if they were designed, you could that there

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are some flows in the design. They live for a

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finite time, but you can imagine a self repairing system.

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probes that are intelligent here on Earth and that are

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cold humans, and they were put here by some interstellar gardener.

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Speaker 4: Sure, sure, But my only counter argument with with these

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human probes, as I would say, some are a little

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more intelligent than others.

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Speaker 3: Clearly you're at the top of the heap. I'll say that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I you know, I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: Say anything about any individual, but I would argue that

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you could imagine something better, that there is room for

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improvement relative to the intelligence that we read about when

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we monitor the news every day. Because if you look

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at what happens in the world, you know, there are

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two point four trillion dollars invested every year in military

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budgets and the only goal is either to kill other

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people or protect us from others killing us.

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Speaker 2: And if you, you know, just.

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Speaker 1: Think about it, that's ninety nine percent of our budget

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goes in this direction and only one percent goes into

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science or space exploration. And that's not the most intelligent

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thing to do, because occupying territories on this rock, that

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was left over from the formation of the sun.

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Speaker 2: You know, makes no sense.

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Speaker 1: And of course the change in the mindset of humans

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may be triggered by an alien visitor, because once we

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realize that someone is visiting us, you know, that arrived

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at our backyard, it will imply that we are not

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at the top of the food chain cosmologically speaking, that

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you know, they reached our backyard before we reached their backyard.

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And it might service a role model for us to

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change our priorities to invest more in space. Just think

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if we were to invest a trillion dollars a year

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in space exploration instead of investing it in killing each other.

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You know how much we can accomplish. We can build

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a spacecraft that will carry humans and provide the habitat

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for humans to live on.

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Speaker 2: It's much better.

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Speaker 1: Than going to Mars, where you know, the temperature verys

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between day and night are hundreds of degrees. You are

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exposed to cosmic rays, energetic particles that can kill you.

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You know, it has no atmosphere. Why would we dream

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of going to another rock that is much worse, has

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much worse living conditions than Earth. That is not the

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most intelligent.

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Speaker 2: Thing to do.

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Speaker 1: The most intelligent thing to do is build the habitat

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the size of a city that carries humans to space

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and have a self repairing mechanism for maintaining human longevity

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for a very long time. And I'm saying it's just

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a question of priorities. You know, we are now not

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focusing on the important things. If we want to be

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remembered in the history books of the Milky Way.

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Speaker 2: Galaxy, we should do better, you know.

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Speaker 1: And one reason for us to do better would be

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to recognize a neighbor that is already doing better.

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Speaker 4: I want to circle back to the boarder, and I

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completely agree with you.

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Speaker 3: On all of those fronts.

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Speaker 4: Now, you know, you said you have a a meeting

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coming up where everybody gets to know each other and whatnot,

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and you have assembled truly a great board. Many of

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the folks on there have been a guest on The

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Good Trouble Show. So you have doctor Gary Nolan Stanford,

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who's Stanford Pathologist, Matthew Sedagis who's not been on our show,

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but he's wonderful, and another brilliant mind, doctor Kevin Kanouth,

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Admiral Tim Gallia Datt. Although I have to say I

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completely butchered his his name, first time you ever came

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on the show. You have Dr Peter Skafish from Soul Foundation,

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another brilliant mind who's been on the on the show.

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And then you have Michael Shermer, and I want to

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read to you some of the quotes that he has

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said over a period of time on Twitter. I'm going

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to read four of them, and then I just want

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to get your reaction. So one from twenty twenty six,

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why why do otherwise rational people not get this? Show them,

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show them photos of blurry lockness or grainy bigfoot or

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double exposure ghosts, and they exercise their rational faculties, tell

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them it's aliens, and their brains turned to mush.

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Speaker 3: Another one in.

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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty three, after thirty years of studying pseudoscience, cults,

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cons and conspiracies, I would have to rank David Grush

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in the top ten of all time bullshitters. That was

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a masterclass in buncom blather, cold swap.

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Speaker 3: Another one.

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Speaker 4: Uapers are a cult or in a cult of belief

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for which evidence is irrelevant.

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Speaker 3: It's faith, not science. Another one, the extent of.

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Speaker 4: Which observers and pilots are highly respected, professional or trained

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to confirm you AP is unnecessary, who cares actual evidence,

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supplants credentialing. Then another last couple of ones eufology is

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a religion, there will never be empirical evidence.

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Speaker 3: And then finally, I need you And.

482
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Speaker 4: He removed this tweet, but he compared one of the

483
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whistleblowers I just mentioned to the leader of the Heavensgate Culton.

484
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Of course, that entire cult committed suicide. Uh at the

485
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at the sort of guidance of this leader, and UH

486
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and Michael Shermer Uh directly compared this guy and then

487
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and then uh and then said, well, maybe if these

488
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folks had had applied or been subscribed to a skeptic magazine,

489
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maybe that wouldn't happened. So my question is, you know,

490
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why should someone who says things like that deserve a

491
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seat at a table that you have clearly set up

492
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with some of the most brilliant minds.

493
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

494
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Speaker 1: So, first, I completely disagree with all these statements, but

495
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that's exactly the reason why I need him to be

496
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on the table. And my hope is that he will

497
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change his tunes and actually admit that that he was wrong.

498
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,920
And the point is that every committee needs to have

499
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a devil's advocate, someone who is a skeptic. That's required

500
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in order to make sure that we don't follow biases

501
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:17,720
within the committee, that we don't miss important clues. I

502
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want to hear someone who disagrees with me. Okay, now

503
00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:24,440
it might sound to you like a very strange thing,

504
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:28,000
given that you know, people are not willing to invite

505
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their relatives to Thanksgiving if they think differently on political matters.

506
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We reach the point where the political polarization is so

507
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,599
great that people are not speaking to each other even

508
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though their family and they hate whoever disagrees with them,

509
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and they live in their echo chambers. That's very common

510
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right now in politics, but also in science. And I

511
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don't like that because in my view, you know, we

512
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should understand the other side and then demonstrate why we

513
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,000
have the correct opinion. That's the better way of getting

514
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,559
at the truth. And so I decided, you know, that

515
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it would be a good idea to have a dissenting view.

516
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Speaker 2: And I actually have a bet with Michael Shermer.

517
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Speaker 1: The bet is that by the year twenty thirty we

518
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will have a clear evidence for an extraterrestrial technological visitor.

519
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Speaker 2: And you know.

520
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Speaker 1: So obviously you can tell my opinion it's very different

521
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than his. But my hope is that he will agree

522
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with me in case we do see that evidence as

523
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a result of the deliberations of the committee, and I

524
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have hopes that in the coming months and years you

525
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will hear a very different tune coming from him.

526
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Speaker 2: So, in fact, having someone that started.

527
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Speaker 1: With the quotes that you just mentioned ending up in

528
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a different place would be quite remarkable.

529
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Speaker 2: If I managed to pull this, that.

530
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Speaker 3: Would certainly be the case.

531
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Speaker 4: You know, the only way I would respectfully push back,

532
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doctor Lobi is I mean, I totally understand needing dissenting opinions,

533
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:25,720
but are scientists such as yourself not automatically skeptical. You know,

534
00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:28,359
you're you're looking at the scientific method, You're not just

535
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buying things on you know, on the surface.

536
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Speaker 2: No, no, not at all.

537
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm completely open minded and looking forward to

538
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the data to guide us. But then, you know, and

539
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I had no issue also with the.

540
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Speaker 2: Vice President JD.

541
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Speaker 1: Van saying that these UAPs are demons. You know, anyone

542
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can you know, have their own explanation to the knowledge

543
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,400
that we currently have about this phenomena. I'm completely fine

544
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,920
with that. You can have believers. You can have skeptics,

545
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,799
no problem whatsoever, as long as everyone agrees that we

546
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,759
can figure things out by getting better data. As we

547
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,480
get more evidence, more clues, it will be clear to everyone.

548
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And you know, the reason I bring this up is

549
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,519
because that's exactly why the Vatican ended up changing their tunes.

550
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Eventually they realized that indeed the Earth moves around the Sun.

551
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There is no doubt about it, and it would be

552
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:28,599
foolish of them insisting the other way. Now, most of

553
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,839
the time in science you have to understand most of

554
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,680
the time we have large uncertainties. We don't know what

555
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,359
is the explanation for a mystery. For example, eighty four

556
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percent of the matter in the universe is invisible. We

557
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,440
call it dark matter, and that was realized ninety years ago,

558
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and so far the scientific community, the mainstream. You know,

559
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initially in the first few decades, it was not believed.

560
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People said, oh, maybe these are objects made of ordinary

561
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matter that we can't see them the dark or something.

562
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But then it ended up, you know, based on a

563
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:06,839
variety of arguments, including the early universe, we can say

564
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:12,079
beyond any doubt that such matter exists. If you adapt

565
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:16,360
Einstein's theory of gravity. There is no doubt about it,

566
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because if everything was made of ordinary metal, we would

567
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not exist. Because we see the radiation, the cosmic radiation

568
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background from the Big Bang, and that was smoothing out

569
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all the inomogen eities that were responsible for the formation

570
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of galaxies like the Milky Way in the ordinary metal

571
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,400
that was coupled to this radiation. But the dark matter

572
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,920
is invisible, doesn't couple to the cosmic radiation. As a result,

573
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it gave birth to galaxies like the Milky Way. So

574
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in fact, we owe our existence to the existence of

575
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dark mat But we don't know what it is. And

576
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you know, we are still ninety years after its discovery.

577
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,639
We still cannot figure it out. And we invested billions

578
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,679
of dollars in direction that proved out to be wrong.

579
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,840
The mainstream said, oh, it's a weekly interacting massive particle

580
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that makes it. We build the Large Hadron Collider with

581
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the hope that it will discover it.

582
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Speaker 2: We didn't discover it.

583
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Speaker 1: So very often the mainstream is wrong. Okay, so that's

584
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:15,239
the way science is done. We are we live in

585
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,440
a state of uncertainty. A lot of people in the

586
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,880
public feel uncomfortable when they see anomalous phenomena. And by

587
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,719
the way, dark matter or invisible matter is an anomaly.

588
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It's something we don't understand. We don't know the nature

589
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:31,880
of it. So it's just like QAP. You know, it's

590
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:35,039
an anomaly that we don't understand. A lot of people

591
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:38,159
in the public uneasy, so on social media, they have

592
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,800
a belief system. They know that this anomaly represents something

593
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,559
that they believe in. But that's not good enough because

594
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we need evidence to guide us. You can believe in

595
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,960
whatever you want, as long as you agree that at

596
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,239
the end of the day, we will use the evidence,

597
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,079
the clues that we collect to figure out the nature

598
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,360
of this thing. And you know, it's just like in

599
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,800
the courtroom that very often you have eyewitnesses that give

600
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,480
testimonies under oath, and sometimes, you know, people are put

601
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:09,719
in jail, but not only in jail, they are put

602
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,480
on death row based on testimonies under oath. So the

603
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,760
people who said that there are the criminals were absolutely

604
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,960
sure they were willing to bring death to those in

605
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,639
front of them, and then it turns out that when

606
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:29,000
the DNA evidence came along, these people were exonerated. There

607
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:32,039
are dozens of cases like that. So what does it

608
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,400
tell us? What is the lesson from this? That you

609
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,239
can't believe stories told by people. You have to have

610
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,000
evidence from you know, scientific quality, from instruments like the

611
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:43,760
DNA test.

612
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: That is the reality check.

613
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Speaker 1: You know, we can believe each of us can believe

614
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,159
that we have a trillion dollars in our bank account.

615
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,519
There is one person who has more than that. It's

616
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:57,599
ill on musk. But all of us, you know, can

617
00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:00,360
believe in that because it gives us pleasure. And then

618
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:03,920
the reality check would be to go and check how

619
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,079
much money do we actually have. So my point is

620
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,400
you can enjoy believing in something it gives you pleasure,

621
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,360
but reality is under.

622
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,639
Speaker 2: No contract to give you pleasure. Okay.

623
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,039
Speaker 1: In difference from Steven's Steven Spielberg when he asks people

624
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,320
to go to the movie theater and see his creation,

625
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,519
he is he is under an obligation to give them pleasure,

626
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,760
so he can imagine whatever he wants.

627
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: He can give them red meat, you know.

628
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,119
Speaker 1: Basically, here are bodies of aliens that you can see

629
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:38,679
in videos. He can give that to the audience. But

630
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,920
that's because he has artistic freedom. I really want to

631
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,840
see these bodies in reality before I would assume that

632
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,119
they exist. That's the difference between the work of a scientist.

633
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,639
We have to abide by evidence. Once the evidence is presented,

634
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:55,599
you know. That's what the beef is. Once it's presented.

635
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:59,119
Once I have a chance of seeing it firsthand, you know,

636
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:04,199
then I can convince everyone else, just like Galileo's evidence,

637
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,519
you know, eventually convinced everyone.

638
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

639
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 4: And I tell you what if you talk to talk

640
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,840
to Elon Musk, ask him if he can give some

641
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,000
of the Australian dollars to fund our shelves so well,

642
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,239
because we're barely barely paying the bills here.

643
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't ask him to fund the show. I would

644
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,119
ask him to fund the research.

645
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: On the on the following question, is.

646
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: Elon Musk the most accomplished space entrepreneur since the Big

647
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,639
Bang thirteen point eight billion years ago? If you ask me,

648
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,800
I would say no. But if you ask him, he

649
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,000
might say yes. And I'm willing to bet with him.

650
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:42,360
Each of us will put one percent of our net

651
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,039
worth to address this question.

652
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,519
Speaker 3: I'm happy to do that, agreed.

653
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 4: And I want to interrupt and starry interrupt a lot

654
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,360
of questions. I want to try and get through. Okay,

655
00:38:52,880 --> 00:39:00,159
So so better better scientific results are reliant on and

656
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:07,000
better censors, better investigations and whatnot. How can this board

657
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,360
accomplish this without any funding?

658
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: Oh, because the government has funding and we just need

659
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:20,400
to guide them. You know, when someone asks for your advice,

660
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,320
you can be very influential. If they have the money

661
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,679
and they follow your advice, then you can accomplish whatever

662
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,360
their money can accomplish. If they are going in the

663
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,960
wrong direction, they would not use the money wisely. So

664
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,159
you know, the defense budget is a trillion dollars this year.

665
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:42,000
You know that's quite quite a lot of money.

666
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 4: Sure, Sure, And I want to circle back one last

667
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,320
question regarding Michael Shermer. If he were to make continued

668
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:51,360
derogatory posts.

669
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: Or no, that is that is completely unacceptable.

670
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: I would be happy if he already were to regret

671
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,800
what he said. You know, I cannot force him to

672
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,280
do that, But what I can do is through the

673
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,880
work that, through our deliberations, eventually bring him to admit that,

674
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:15,000
you know, he was on the wrong side of history.

675
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 4: Okay, So in your view, as I'm as I think

676
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,760
I'm hearing you saying, if he were to continue with that,

677
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,400
that would possibly.

678
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: Just accepted that is unacceptable.

679
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: I think you know, the one thing that I see

680
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:32,880
on social media very frequently are personal attacks, and I

681
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,679
myself am being attacked from both sides. I'm being attacked

682
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:44,360
by mainstream or actually science influencers for actually pursuing these

683
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:49,599
subjects scientifically, and I'm also being attacked from believers who

684
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:51,960
know the answer. They don't. They don't need me to

685
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,760
do that my scientific research. So as long as you know,

686
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,320
if these people were just attacking the idea of the

687
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,960
work that i'm that's different. But that tack me personally.

688
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,519
They say bad things about me that are completely incorrect.

689
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:08,119
But I don't want to engage in mud wrestling because

690
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:11,800
that gets everyone dirty. So I just focused on the orbs.

691
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As I said before, I don't pay.

692
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Speaker 2: Attention to the audience.

693
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be liked, very different from nil

694
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,159
degrass sas I'm not. You know, I don't care if

695
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:24,599
both sides of the spectrum.

696
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: Are angry at me. Who cares? You know, At the end,

697
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,960
what matters is what are the orbs?

698
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Speaker 3: Right? I agree? I agree with that.

699
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Speaker 4: So you're going to take a quick break, folks, if

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702
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doctor Lobe. All right, so I want to talk about

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the disclosure politics you've You've sided with doctor Sean Kirkpatrick,

721
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,639
the former director of Arrow Over Annapoline Laluna. Of course,

722
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,559
some of the things that she has said about doctor

723
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:54,119
Kirkpatrick is.

724
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 3: Not complementary.

725
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,039
Speaker 4: What would you say if Anna Lena Luna, which she

726
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,119
is a fan of the show a matter at real

727
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:06,599
time with Bill maher huge fan of Congresswoman Luna, just

728
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,559
outstanding human being. What would you say to her about

729
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:12,280
doctor Sean Kirkpatrick that you think that maybe she has wrong?

730
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,159
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I should say that the representative

731
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:20,840
Luna visited my office at Harvard last month and that

732
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:22,960
was a very useful meeting.

733
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,159
Speaker 2: For ninety minutes.

734
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: We described the Galileo project that I'm leading, where we

735
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,840
operate three observatories. I conducted an expedition to the Pacific

736
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,719
Ocean to retrieve materials from the.

737
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: First interstellar meteor.

738
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: There will be a Netflix documentary about that coming out

739
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,400
within this year. And so we discussed a lot of

740
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,599
matters and we see eye to eye.

741
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: I really salute.

742
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: Her for her visionary work for pushing the narrative forward

743
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,960
trying to get disclosure. She's doing amazing work and we

744
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,760
resonate on many levels. I met her a year ago

745
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:04,239
when I spoke at the House and she was there.

746
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,800
I will meet her next week in the Senate. There

747
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,000
will be a disclosure forum there, and you know, we

748
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:17,920
agree on everything so far. And with respect to Kirkpatrick,

749
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,639
you know that I don't have anything to say about

750
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:24,280
that I met him. He came to my home like

751
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,440
many other people. You know, I had a lot of

752
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,639
interesting visitors to my home over the past five years.

753
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,440
Many of them are multi billionaires that came to either

754
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,000
support my work or ask about it, or to actually

755
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,360
in one case, build an observatory on top of sphere.

756
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:44,559
You know, in Las Vegas we have three units, one

757
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:46,800
on top of sphere and two others separated by ten

758
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,920
kilometers thanks to a visit by Jim Doland to my home.

759
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,880
And you know that the latest visit was the person

760
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,599
who asked me to lead the you know, it came

761
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:02,360
from government who asked me to lead this council. But

762
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,599
there were a lot of visitors in between, and you

763
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:08,639
know one of them was when Shaun Kirkpatrick, shortly after

764
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:11,400
he was appointed as the Director of Error, he came

765
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,519
over and discussed things with me and at some point

766
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:18,280
asked that we maybe collaborate on a paper. So, you know,

767
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:23,360
it was a relatively superficial relationship where we met several

768
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,280
times and wrote this thing that I basically put some

769
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,239
of my some of my content into it. But it's

770
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,880
not as if what he did later is supported by me.

771
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:39,519
Speaker 2: I mean I don't.

772
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,519
Speaker 1: I didn't really get into those details, and I will

773
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:47,639
let Representative Luna have her verdict. I mean, I'm not

774
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,559
in a position to change her opinion about him, and

775
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:56,159
she knows much more also from the briefings in a skiff.

776
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,920
Just so that everyone understands, skiff is just a Paraday cage.

777
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,159
It's a place where electromagnetic signals cannot penetrate in or out,

778
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,519
and the skiff will play an important role in our future.

779
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,280
I just want to mention that because right now, the

780
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,320
biggest problem in education is that students use AI, and

781
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,000
the only way to test their intelligence, the natural intelligence

782
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,639
of students is to put them in a Faraday cage

783
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:27,800
so that they cannot use their cell phone and get

784
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,760
the advice of AI. So these Faraday cages will not

785
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,280
be used only by government in the future. I think

786
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,000
they will be used in order to allow us to

787
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:41,719
test the natural intelligence of students without the help of

788
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:42,840
artificial intelligence.

789
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,119
Speaker 2: And by the way, this is the biggest threat.

790
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: That I see for AI in the future, the fact

791
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,679
that the people who rely on AI, they lose their

792
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,920
cognitive abilities. Many of the people that use AI all

793
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,639
the time become dumber, and I see that among students

794
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,880
and post docs. As much as those students and post

795
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,199
docs are able to do tasks much faster. The reliance

796
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:11,000
on AI is similar to taking the bus instead of walking.

797
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:15,559
You know, the bus offers you a very fast transfer

798
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:18,920
from point A to point B instead of walking, And

799
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:21,840
if you do that, your muscles will deteriorate. And the

800
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,119
same is true about the human brain if we use

801
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:25,119
AI too often.

802
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 4: Of course, the next thing I want to turn too

803
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:34,320
is the some of your comments about doctor Beatrice d

804
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,000
o Real's work on the on the anomalies or whatever

805
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,400
you want to call it. I'm not a physicist. I

806
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:44,719
barely passed college. I drank way too much and was

807
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,199
doing things I probably shouldn't have or probably landed me

808
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,159
in jail. So so a week ago you around Brian

809
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,880
heating and you were asked about I can asked You're

810
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:02,039
asked about can these be YouTube? Are cosmic rays when

811
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:06,880
they go dark exactly when orbiting when orbiting object enters

812
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,440
the earth shadows?

813
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,559
Speaker 3: Can you elaborate on that? I think I believe. I

814
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:12,440
believe you said.

815
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 4: That something you wanted to get to and the later

816
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:16,840
on in the show and I think you guys may

817
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:17,719
have run out of time.

818
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,079
Speaker 2: What did you want to?

819
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: Let me?

820
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: Let me explain.

821
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: So, you know, what many people don't understand about science

822
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:30,039
is that it's not about detecting signals. Science is not

823
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:35,519
about signals. It's about isolating signals from sources of noise.

824
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,880
Because you can detect signals all the time, and if

825
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,920
it's just noise, then you are chasing ghosts. You are

826
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,360
paying attention to things that have nothing to do with real,

827
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:56,679
real entities. And so the trick of doing science is

828
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,719
to isolate the signal from the noise. Now, all I

829
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,000
did was point out that, you know, there was a

830
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:13,800
paper that correlated the transients these events in the photographic

831
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,440
plates from the Paromer Sky serve in the early nineteen fifties,

832
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,960
correlated them with geomagnetic storms. And what that paper found

833
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:26,920
is that there is an anti correlation that you know,

834
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:33,039
these transients are more numerous when there are no geomagnetic storms,

835
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:39,320
or when there is geomagnetic storms, there are fewer of them. Now,

836
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,840
if you think that these transients are real sources of

837
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,280
light in the sky. You have to ask the question,

838
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:49,960
why would UFOs or uap anti correlate with geomagnetic activity.

839
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,079
You have to ask this question.

840
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 2: Now.

841
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: Of course, it may be possible that the aliens don't

842
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,239
like geomagnetic storms. These are plumes of plasma coming from

843
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,840
the Sun, you know, and going through the earth magnetosphere.

844
00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:05,920
But what I noticed just by googling this is that

845
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:10,239
cosmic rays show exactly this behavior because a plume of

846
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,880
plasma coming from the Sun of hot gas carrying magnetic

847
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:20,039
fields usually pushes away cosmic rays away from Earth, so

848
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,000
you end up with fewer cosmic rays intacting the Earth

849
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,400
as a result of a geomagnetic storm. You would expect

850
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,000
exactly this anti correlation. And I did a simple calculation

851
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:36,119
that there should be sixty thousand heats on every photographic

852
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:40,360
plate of the Paromer Sky survey over the one hour exposure.

853
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,440
So these events do take place, there are large number

854
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,760
of heats. And then the question is are we noticing

855
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:55,920
at least some of the transients as being cosmic rays

856
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,440
that we miss read as if they are sources of

857
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:02,960
light in the sky. So that's a source of noise.

858
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,960
I'm not saying it's definitely that. But I'm saying we

859
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:09,840
need to consider that. And you know, because astronomers, whenever

860
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,079
they take data, they are fully aware that there are

861
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:14,639
cosmic rays all the time, and so you just need

862
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:22,800
to consider that, I'm saying with betternally And then the

863
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,760
second and by the way, I got into this just

864
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:32,159
because the second batch of the UFO file release showed

865
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:37,239
them images from Apollo astronauts and there were sources of

866
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,920
light blue lights in those images. But I realized that

867
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:44,599
in the film, the Codact film, there are also sources

868
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:47,679
of blue light at other locations that are not under

869
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,960
the camera lens, and that indicated to me that we're

870
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,119
dealing with with cosmic raise. So that's the only and

871
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,760
I'm just saying, this is a source of noise.

872
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: We have to consider it.

873
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,599
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this work is wrong, but I'm

874
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:03,599
saying the anti correlation tells you that you have to

875
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:07,079
worry about cosmic race, because why would UFOs be anti

876
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:16,360
correlated with geomagnetic activity. The second aspect is that you know,

877
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:23,239
we are familiar with satellites and the nowadays, of course

878
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,360
they appear in a lot of images of the sky,

879
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,679
and we have to take that into account. Back before Sputnik,

880
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,880
you may ask what could have been in the sky,

881
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,760
And there was this CIA report from nineteen ninety two

882
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,800
that was released on June twelfth as part of the

883
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,760
UFO file release. This CIA report basically says the you

884
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:50,079
two airplanes were responsible for half of the UFO reports

885
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,119
in the late nineteen fifties and the nineteen sixties. Now,

886
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,559
I'm pretty sure that before it became operational, the two

887
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:02,599
airplane was tested, and so we have to worry about

888
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,400
YouTube airplanes potentially having glints that appear in photographic plates.

889
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,840
I'm saying I'm not saying it's the necessarily the transiens,

890
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,639
but it's a potential source of noise that we have

891
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:17,760
to consider in the priests put nick era and I

892
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,679
don't know what the Soviet Union at the time was developing,

893
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,480
whether they had similar programs to the YouTube airplanes or not,

894
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:28,239
but my point is we just have to consider this.

895
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,119
I didn't mention by name, Beatrice, I didn't mention by

896
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:35,880
name any of the researchers. I am just referring to

897
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:38,880
the potential sources of noise as something that needs to

898
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,679
be considered, and it has nothing personal, you know, This

899
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,960
is standard practice within science where you are discussing a

900
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,159
signal to talk also about the noise. Now, some people

901
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:54,360
were upset because they said, oh, how dare you bring

902
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,039
up these possible noise sources if you are willing to

903
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:03,679
consider the possibilit the three iyatlasts is a technological artifact.

904
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:07,480
And the point is I did not say the three

905
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:11,239
iatlast is a technological artifact. I just said it has

906
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:16,400
anomalist that we should examine as potential technological signatures. Now,

907
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,360
this is again the standard practice of science, where you say,

908
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:24,039
here is a hypothesis, and get the only reason for

909
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,360
putting it forward is so that we can look at

910
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,039
future data, collect future data that will test hypothesis.

911
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:31,039
Speaker 2: We do it all the time.

912
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,199
Speaker 1: We do it in the context of dark matter, as

913
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:35,639
I mentioned, for decades. We do it all the time

914
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,000
in science. People who are not used to the way

915
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:41,920
science is done, they get extremely upset if you express

916
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,199
an opinion that is perhaps different than their narrative. And

917
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,159
also if you say, here is a hypothesis about three

918
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,320
iyatlasts and then you say cosmic RaSE could be a

919
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,119
source of noise, how dare you? How dare you bring

920
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,599
up a source of noise when you allow for three iatla. Well,

921
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,679
that's done all the time in science, So these people

922
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,480
do not understand how science is done. You can come

923
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:10,320
up with hypothesis and at the same time come up

924
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,199
with sources of noise that other people should consider. I mean,

925
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,079
it's not contradictory in any way because we all are aiming,

926
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,880
you know, to find eventually the truth. Right, So so

927
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,880
you have to consider these possibilities.

928
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 4: Now, if you were talking about that possibly some of

929
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:32,039
this uh is Spot, maybe some early prototype versions of

930
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:33,280
spotnek et cetera.

931
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,119
Speaker 2: None of you two?

932
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 3: You two okay, sorry, sorry if you too.

933
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 4: So and as I understand it in what I've been told,

934
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:47,199
the exposure time of the these plates was a significant

935
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:48,000
amount of time.

936
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:50,519
Speaker 2: It was about an hour. It was about an hour.

937
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 4: So what you would those not have shown up as

938
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:56,000
streaks as opposed to a point of life.

939
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so you can ask the same question about

940
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:01,039
the sources that were.

941
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: Hypothesized to be the UFOs.

942
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 1: The idea there is that we are dealing with satellites

943
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,800
orbiting the Earth before the time that humans started using satellites,

944
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,800
and the idea there is that we don't see them

945
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:22,559
as stricts because there is a glint that tenth of

946
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:26,400
a second or less, a very short duration glint because

947
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:33,119
some reflective surface, let's say a flat surface of a satellite,

948
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:37,920
is just the right orientation relative to the observatory and

949
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,599
the sun, so that you see the glint at a

950
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:44,719
particular point in time, but that flash of light lasts

951
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,639
for a tenth of a second or less. So that

952
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:50,519
because otherwise it would appear as a strict as well.

953
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,199
So in the hypothesis that we are dealing with UFOs,

954
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,960
you have to argue that it's a glint from a

955
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:02,400
surface that is that the right orientation between the sun

956
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:05,559
and the observatory for a short period of time. And

957
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:08,440
I'm just saying this is also this could also be

958
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:11,440
true in the case of you too, that you're seeing

959
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,679
this glint for a short time. Now, why is this

960
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,039
important Because you cannot then verify if it's a glint

961
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,239
for a short for a tenth of a second out

962
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,880
of the full hour, it means that you cannot see

963
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,840
it from another observatory at the same time. Let's imagine

964
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,039
a hypothetical observatory, not at Palomar, but another you know,

965
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:32,639
there were.

966
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 2: Telescopes looking at the sky. At first, I thought.

967
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: Oh, I will check the record of other observatories to

968
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:43,480
see if they can corroborate the evidence about these transients.

969
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:46,559
But if we are dealing with a glint, you would

970
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:50,000
never get the glint towards two observatories at the same time.

971
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,159
You know, the chance of two observatory is seeing a

972
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:58,239
tenth of a second flash is extremely small for that

973
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,559
to be coincident because they were intention of the sun

974
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:07,480
is different relative to these observatories, So you know, obviously

975
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:11,599
this issue is unresolved. The other question that one has

976
00:58:11,639 --> 00:58:15,320
to think about is if in the nineteen fifties there

977
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,800
were satellites around the are they not around right now?

978
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:22,440
And if they are around right now, is the Director

979
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,079
of National Intelligence aware of them? Because if there are

980
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:28,639
hundreds of them, you know, this would be unidentified satellites,

981
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,000
and I'm sure that that would be a red flag

982
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:35,760
within the within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence,

983
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:42,880
because it may indicate that another adversarial nation is using

984
00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:46,000
spy satellites that we are not aware of. So it

985
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:50,679
would raise the alarm and immediately immediately the United States

986
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:55,159
will start getting more and more data on these objects.

987
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,239
So the fact that there is no alarm right now,

988
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,320
that we can pretty much understand all the satellites. You

989
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,880
know that fifteen thousands of them, and some of them

990
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,519
are military. You know, the fact that there is no

991
00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:10,199
alarm to me, indicates that there is no population, a

992
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,800
large population itself, one hundreds thousands of satellites right now

993
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,360
that are not understood, unidentified. And therefore, if we don't

994
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,599
see them right now, why don't we see them? Why

995
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:21,400
did we see them in the nineteen fifties and not

996
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:22,159
seeing them now?

997
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:23,079
Speaker 3: Right?

998
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 4: But if these anomalies or whatever whatever you want to

999
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,559
call them, as I understand that they were in perfect focus,

1000
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,079
which would then as I was told, if they were

1001
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:38,440
in focus, it would have they would have been at

1002
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:39,400
a minimum of.

1003
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,239
Speaker 3: Three hundred thousand kilometers from the Earth.

1004
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,559
Speaker 4: So these things that are designed to you know, to

1005
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:49,519
have stars and focus over a long period of time,

1006
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:52,519
it would seem to me that anything in low Earth

1007
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:55,920
orbit or higher orbit would be blurry.

1008
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,039
Speaker 3: Is that not the case?

1009
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,599
Speaker 1: Well, if we are dealing with three hundred thousand kilometers,

1010
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,320
you know we're dealing with I mean, the radius of

1011
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:12,480
the Earth is six thousand kilometers, So just think about it.

1012
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:18,639
It's fifty times more, and that means that we're dealing

1013
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:21,519
with an object that is very far from Earth. Now,

1014
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:25,159
there were arguments that said, oh, these objects actually cluster

1015
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:29,440
around nuclear explosion sites. But if you are at a

1016
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:32,000
distance that is fifty times bigger than the size of

1017
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:36,280
the Earth, what does it really mean to be above nuclear.

1018
01:00:38,119 --> 01:00:41,599
Speaker 2: Test sites if you are so far away from Earth?

1019
01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:46,519
Speaker 1: And you know, of course it could be objects very

1020
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:51,840
far away, But then why would they be anti correlated

1021
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,920
with geomagnetic storms that are confined to a much smaller

1022
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,519
region around the Earth. You know, the geomagnetic storms are

1023
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,639
basically locked by the earth magnetosphere and they generate a

1024
01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:05,519
lot of effects within the earth magnetosphere.

1025
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:06,599
Speaker 2: But when you go to three.

1026
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: Hundred thousand kilometers, you know, it's not clear to me

1027
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,960
why there should be an anti correlation. So there are

1028
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:19,079
many details in this discussion that we don't fully understand.

1029
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:22,519
I'm not slaming that the interpretation of some of these

1030
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:24,079
being UFOs is incorrect.

1031
01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: I mean it may well be the case, and maybe.

1032
01:01:26,159 --> 01:01:29,639
Speaker 1: They disappeared, They stopped their activity since the nineteen fifties

1033
01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:31,079
and today they don't exist.

1034
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the case. We haven't seen them.

1035
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: The other thing is, you know about the Apollo missions

1036
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,079
to the Moon, so there was this suggestion that in fact,

1037
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:48,679
those coduct photographs that were released in indicate the UFO

1038
01:01:48,719 --> 01:01:51,400
activity near the Moon. But we had the artmies to

1039
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:56,760
astronauts taking thousands of photographs with much better cameras and

1040
01:01:57,159 --> 01:01:59,400
they went over the dark side of the Moon. They

1041
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,440
didn't see any unusual activity except for six flares, six

1042
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:07,760
flashes of light from the impact of asteroids on the

1043
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,280
surface of the Moon. So you know, my point is,

1044
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:17,639
of course, we can debate forever about what happened in

1045
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:21,480
ancient times in historical reports. The problem is we cannot

1046
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,880
go back in time and get better data. However, if

1047
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:29,159
we want to resolve the case, you know, we want

1048
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:32,800
to look right now with better sensors, collect new data.

1049
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,760
So my point is the future can be better than

1050
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,320
the past. Instead of us arguing about what may have

1051
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,519
happened in the past, the better way to figure out

1052
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:46,239
things is to get new data with higher quality, so

1053
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,760
that everyone is on the same board and we understand

1054
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,159
what we are doing and just figure out if there

1055
01:02:51,159 --> 01:02:54,039
are any anomalies there. And you know, when I see

1056
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:58,679
interstellar objects like three iAtlas just visited us for the

1057
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,480
past years. So in the inner solar system, you know,

1058
01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:05,480
when I see the data showing anomalists, I say, okay,

1059
01:03:05,559 --> 01:03:08,679
let's collect new data on this object. It's very exciting.

1060
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,039
And the same with you aps that the government keeps

1061
01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:13,880
reporting about.

1062
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: They cannot identify them. Let's get better data.

1063
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,559
Speaker 1: That's the whole purpose of the new Council, to advise

1064
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:22,440
government how to get better data. But when someone tells

1065
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,719
me back in the fifties, a long time ago, there

1066
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,079
were some unusual things, or in biblical times there were

1067
01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:31,360
some unusual things. Okay, that's a possibility, but I cannot

1068
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,960
test it. I cannot figure it out. I cannot verify

1069
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:37,960
that it's correct. And that's my problem with engaging and

1070
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,480
being obsessed with past three pots. The way I see

1071
01:03:41,519 --> 01:03:45,480
for us gaining new knowledge is not relying on I mean,

1072
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:48,239
we should be intrigued by past reports. I'm very intrigued,

1073
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:54,159
and I'm really you know, excited about the testimony of

1074
01:03:54,719 --> 01:03:57,639
David Brush in Congress and what people say happened in

1075
01:03:57,679 --> 01:03:58,199
the fifties.

1076
01:03:58,239 --> 01:03:59,599
Speaker 2: That's very exciting.

1077
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,199
Speaker 1: But in order for us to figure things out and

1078
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,880
make sure about the interpretation of those things. We must

1079
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,239
get new high quality data. We have the Rubin Observatory

1080
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,920
right now in Chile that is using a camera of

1081
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:17,440
three point two gigapixels and it could survey the Southern

1082
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:21,559
sky every four days and if it finds unidentified objects,

1083
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,840
you know, these satellites at three hundred thousand kilometers away

1084
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,760
from Earth. You know, I would be the first to

1085
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,760
admit that we are being visited.

1086
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,159
Speaker 4: Sure, okay, so let's let's get to some questions if

1087
01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:38,840
you don't mind. So let's see this is from an individual.

1088
01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:42,360
It says your own council's mission says it will focus

1089
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,119
on new, higher quality data rather than re examining older

1090
01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:52,000
material that can't be independently verified that describes archival plate work. Exactly,

1091
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,000
is your federal mandate now being used, in your opinion,

1092
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,199
to rule out via real'es data by category before your

1093
01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:03,119
canceled counsel has had the ability to look at its parents.

1094
01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I mean we are focusing on data that

1095
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,840
was obtained by the US government, not by the paramer

1096
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,360
Sky serve, which is an open database. Anyone can go

1097
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,960
there and analyze this data. So anything that was obtained

1098
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,199
by astronomers over the years. You know, with open data

1099
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:27,559
sets from telescopes is available to all of us to

1100
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:31,840
look at that. You don't need a council to look

1101
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,360
into that. Everyone can look into that. Scientists can look

1102
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:38,039
into that and write papers about it. That's exactly what

1103
01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:41,519
is being done. This is open data. There is nothing

1104
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:45,159
to discuss here except the interpretation and to ask whether

1105
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:48,280
the signal is more significant than the possible noise sources.

1106
01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:52,280
That's the whole discussion. Is the signal that is being

1107
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:57,400
claimed of UFOs of some sort? Is it robust or

1108
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,000
could it be explained by noise sources?

1109
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: All the data cannot be changed.

1110
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: What I'm dealing with is potentially historic data collected by

1111
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,239
the US government that should intrigue us, and we may

1112
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,679
have not seen the most interesting data. In fact, it's

1113
01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:18,639
most likely that the richest data is classified as of now.

1114
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:21,679
But we can ask the government to release it and

1115
01:06:21,719 --> 01:06:24,559
then examine it, and if it's not clear from this

1116
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,840
data what it means, then we can advise the government

1117
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,519
how to get new data that will allow us to

1118
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:32,800
get to the bottom of this.

1119
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 4: I guess my question is to you, and I understand,

1120
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:38,400
let's focus on new stuff.

1121
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:40,719
Speaker 3: But I think the.

1122
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:45,159
Speaker 4: Question many people have is why are these plates a

1123
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,480
continual thing, right say, continual something that you've brought up

1124
01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:50,800
over the last.

1125
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 3: Few times on Brian Keating and on others.

1126
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 2: No, because I was asked about it.

1127
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: You are asking me about it, so I talk about it.

1128
01:06:58,039 --> 01:06:59,599
Speaker 2: That was true if.

1129
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,719
Speaker 1: Brian getting those people on social media keep asking about it,

1130
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,880
so I have to answer them if I'm speaking with them.

1131
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:07,159
Speaker 2: There is no other reason.

1132
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,159
Speaker 1: And the only reason that I got into this in

1133
01:07:10,199 --> 01:07:15,400
the first place was the disclosure of these photographs from

1134
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:21,079
the Apollo astronauts that indicated the blue light in those photographs.

1135
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 2: And I said, this could be cosmic rays.

1136
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:28,079
Speaker 1: Buzz Aldrin said, you know, he's reported saying that he

1137
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:32,199
saw flashes of light, and I said, well, patients treated

1138
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:38,519
by energetic particles, you know, for medical purposes, they see

1139
01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:41,800
flashes of light because of Cherenkov radiation. This is a

1140
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:47,800
well known phenomenon. And then I wrote an essay basically

1141
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:53,760
saying that we should not misinterpret cosmic rays for UFOs,

1142
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:54,400
that's all.

1143
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:55,199
Speaker 2: And I was.

1144
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: Triggered to discuss it by the Apollo astronaut and the

1145
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,400
buzz Aldering report. And then I mentioned in you know,

1146
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:09,480
so this essay focused on the Apollo astronauts, and then

1147
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:12,480
the last bit of it mentioned that, oh, cosmic rays

1148
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:15,119
could also be a source of noise. Now, a lot

1149
01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:17,800
of people on social media were alarmed, how dare you

1150
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,199
bring up this possibility?

1151
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 2: And then I had to explain.

1152
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,279
Speaker 1: So then I'm being asked about it, and I explained

1153
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:26,439
just like I explained to you. It's not as if

1154
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,079
I care. You know, I'm not part of that analysis

1155
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:33,399
of the data. I'm just saying this is a source

1156
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,560
of noise that needs to be attended to, and it's

1157
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:41,279
not something that you can immediately ignore because of the

1158
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:45,159
anti correlation that was reported in one of those research papers.

1159
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see here.

1160
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 4: So let's see JB says enjoyed the show, Thank you

1161
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,359
for the super chat, Matt, your phenomenal and thank you

1162
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,640
for your candid approach. Appreciate your guest. Thank you for that.

1163
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,680
Let's see here, and maybe you understand this question. I

1164
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:08,439
don't if BMS symmetries and gravitational mem preserve information and

1165
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:13,560
space time, could aliens deliberately encode and later recover message

1166
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,399
using those that just went over my head?

1167
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 5: Yes?

1168
01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:20,199
Speaker 1: Well, so The question is, you know, there are some

1169
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:30,119
symmetries of nature and some ways of encoding information in

1170
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:32,920
a more compact way and perhaps communicating it in a

1171
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,840
more compact way. You can think of it as encryption,

1172
01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:42,880
where you have some way of relaying information that others

1173
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,000
cannot figure out because they don't know the code of

1174
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:47,640
if they're not intelligent enough.

1175
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, it may well be.

1176
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: And I will broaden this question to say, we are

1177
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,119
limited at what we imagine, and we are limited in

1178
01:09:58,199 --> 01:10:01,479
terms of our understanding of physics, because you know, what

1179
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,680
we know right now is that we don't know a

1180
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,079
lot of things. We don't know what the invisible matter

1181
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:08,319
in the universe is. We don't know what the dark

1182
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,720
energy is in the universe. We don't know what happened

1183
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,119
before the Big Bang, what happens inside the black hole.

1184
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,560
There are lots of things we don't know. You know,

1185
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,439
the island of knowledge is surrounded by an ocean of ignorance.

1186
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,960
I completely agree there is a lot we don't know.

1187
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:25,439
So I can imagine that the civilization that had more

1188
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:30,279
than one century of science and technology since the discovery

1189
01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:33,239
of quantum mechanics, you know, we just had one century and.

1190
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:34,079
Speaker 2: Look where we are.

1191
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: We have AI systems based on our understanding of quantum mechanics.

1192
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,960
But suppose we had a thousand years or a millionaires

1193
01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:43,640
or a billionaires. You know, most of the stars from

1194
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billions of years before the sun, so it's very reasonable

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to say an advanced civilization that didn't die out of

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01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:55,359
self inflicted wounds, you know, could have developed science over

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a billionaires. And they are ahead of us by a billionaires.

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01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:02,640
Now we can imagine what they know, and they may

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use propulsion systems that go beyond the imagination of Steven Spielberg. Obviously,

1200
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:13,079
they can use the craft that we cannot see. Okay,

1201
01:11:13,079 --> 01:11:15,359
because we can't see the dark metal, which makes eighty

1202
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:18,319
four percent of the matter in the universe. You imagine

1203
01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:21,520
that they have engineered dark matter. They can use it

1204
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,760
to build craft. It will be invisible to us. Or

1205
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,279
imagine a craft that moves the fraction of the speed

1206
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:31,119
of light. You know, when astronomers look at the sky,

1207
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,439
such a thing would appear as a very faint streak

1208
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:38,479
even for relatively short exposures. We would not notice these

1209
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,399
things if they pass through the inner Solar system. So

1210
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:47,279
we're definitely blind to technologies that go well beyond the

1211
01:11:47,399 --> 01:11:50,880
rocket technology that we have. But my point is even

1212
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:55,439
with voyager you know, technologies of the nineteen seventies from

1213
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,640
fifty years ago, even with those technologies, we can cross

1214
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,199
the Milky Way galaxy over a time scale that is

1215
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:04,720
less than a billionaires. So that means that they could

1216
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,800
have arrived to our backyard with voyager like spacecraft. And

1217
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,720
that's what many people don't understand. You don't need to

1218
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,920
travel faster than light. You can travel with a voyager

1219
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,560
like spacecraft and you will make it on a time

1220
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:24,199
scale shorter than the age difference between the Sun and

1221
01:12:24,319 --> 01:12:26,960
other sun like stars. The Sun form just in the

1222
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:29,399
last one third of cosmic history.

1223
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:30,640
Speaker 2: We are late comers.

1224
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: We are late to the party, and others may have

1225
01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:36,840
been much more accomplished than we are. And you know,

1226
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:41,359
these are siblings of our family of intelligence civilizations, and

1227
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,439
the most accomplished among them will be the first to

1228
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:48,319
reach our backyard, and we should be open to that possibility.

1229
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,479
And of course, you know, if we are not at

1230
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,399
the top of the food chain cosmologically speaking, we can

1231
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,239
learn from them. And some people worry will it shake

1232
01:12:57,319 --> 01:13:00,560
our religious beliefs? And I don't think so, because thinking

1233
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,600
that God can attend to only one child is a

1234
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,159
very limited view. You know, we might have siblings in

1235
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:09,680
our family and we might be jealous that they are

1236
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,279
more accomplished, but we can learn from them.

1237
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know people are always jealous of my good look,

1238
01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:18,039
so I can relate to that. Okay, let's see this

1239
01:13:18,119 --> 01:13:21,119
is from A JB. Madd just wanted to say thanks

1240
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:25,720
for being the best. I especially appreciate your anger when

1241
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:31,399
it really matters. And great respect for doctor Loeb. Let's

1242
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,640
see here. Let's see from Michelle here to support the

1243
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,960
open minded scientists like Avi instead of celeb scientists that

1244
01:13:40,039 --> 01:13:44,439
negate all data and testimonies until governments come out and

1245
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,359
then they write a book on UAP, which is what

1246
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,680
that pretends scientists a certain.

1247
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 1: Well, it's really a question of what your goal in

1248
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,640
life is. If your goal is to be liked, then

1249
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,680
that's what you will do. But if your goal is

1250
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:04,159
to figure out the reality that we live in, then

1251
01:14:04,359 --> 01:14:06,439
you shouldn't care about what people say.

1252
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 2: It's just like a detective story.

1253
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,279
Speaker 1: You just figure it out, and you know, And since

1254
01:14:12,319 --> 01:14:16,239
I was a child, I was never I never cared

1255
01:14:16,279 --> 01:14:18,560
about what other people said. You know, there was a

1256
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:23,039
gathering of one hundred people at the Center for Astrophysics,

1257
01:14:23,079 --> 01:14:26,720
where I just completed the terms. For twenty one years,

1258
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,199
I was director of the Institute for Theory and Computation,

1259
01:14:29,319 --> 01:14:33,119
and so that there was a gathering, and I opened

1260
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:38,000
my speech by saying that I enjoyed jogging every morning

1261
01:14:38,039 --> 01:14:42,359
at sunrise in the company of ducks, wild turkeys, birds,

1262
01:14:42,399 --> 01:14:45,920
and you know, nature basically, and I don't care much

1263
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,199
about people. I enjoy nature and I want to understand nature.

1264
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,800
And my wife and daughters were not really happy with

1265
01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:55,560
this opening. They said, well, here are a hundred people

1266
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,000
that came to celebrate your leadership, and all you can

1267
01:14:59,039 --> 01:15:01,079
say to them is that you don't care about people.

1268
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,920
But that's really the case, and that's why I'm not

1269
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,479
trying to maximize the number of likes that I get

1270
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,239
and I get you know, I'm not getting likes from

1271
01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:15,199
both extremes of the spectrum. But if I managed to

1272
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,159
propel forward our understanding of whether we have a neighbor

1273
01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:21,720
or not, that would be my biggest reward.

1274
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:28,199
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see here going through more of our questions.

1275
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 4: Let's see from Anthony, you're in a position now or

1276
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:35,840
revealing what has been hidden from the population. We are

1277
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,800
tired of having us go in circles. Will you be

1278
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:40,960
transparent on this issue?

1279
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: Right?

1280
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: So, I was a chair of the astronomy department at

1281
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,960
Harvard for nine years. That's three terms. It's the longest

1282
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,479
serving chair. And you might ask how because I'm not

1283
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,159
a politician. You know, I'm not manipulating people. And the

1284
01:15:56,239 --> 01:16:00,279
reason is that the faculty and the students they had

1285
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:04,199
trust in my leadership because what you see is what

1286
01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:04,640
you get.

1287
01:16:05,279 --> 01:16:07,359
Speaker 2: I'm never manipulating people.

1288
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:11,319
Speaker 1: My wife told me when we met that she will

1289
01:16:11,359 --> 01:16:15,359
immediately tell she can tell if I have an affair,

1290
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,720
because you know, I cannot live in two realities. One

1291
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:24,119
that carries my you know, makeup where I tell her

1292
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:26,319
one story, but the other reality is the one in

1293
01:16:26,359 --> 01:16:29,000
which I have an aff I cannot. I cannot function

1294
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:32,760
in such area. So I'm very straightforward with the people

1295
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,760
that work with me, and I usually represent my constituency.

1296
01:16:37,279 --> 01:16:40,000
And what you see is what you get. And the

1297
01:16:40,039 --> 01:16:47,479
point is that my leadership style is based on being true,

1298
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,800
being sincere, saying what I think.

1299
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 2: I may be wrong.

1300
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,399
Speaker 1: You know that that could definitely be the case, but

1301
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,640
at least you know where I am, and.

1302
01:16:57,319 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 2: That brings trust.

1303
01:16:59,039 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: And so that is the style that I will apply

1304
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,079
to my assignment with this council.

1305
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,319
Speaker 2: And rest assured.

1306
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,199
Speaker 1: Now you can actually test that, because if you look

1307
01:17:09,239 --> 01:17:12,439
at what I said for years about this subject and

1308
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,720
you look at what I say right now, you will

1309
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,560
find that it's the same. The only places where you

1310
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:22,039
would think that, oh, I said something different is when

1311
01:17:22,079 --> 01:17:25,199
people quote me as saying something because they want to

1312
01:17:25,239 --> 01:17:28,840
get clickbait, and so they misquote me, and then oh,

1313
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,800
it sounds as if AVIS said something different.

1314
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:32,159
Speaker 2: But if you actually check.

1315
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: What I said, you will find that I was always

1316
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:35,560
saying the same things.

1317
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,159
Speaker 2: That's my approach, So just pay attention to me.

1318
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:43,039
Speaker 1: And by the way, just a couple of months ago,

1319
01:17:43,079 --> 01:17:47,239
I was invited to a movie set to play myself

1320
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:52,760
in a cameo role and the main character that was

1321
01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:57,640
played by Brandon Route. He played the Superman back in

1322
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,000
two thousand and six, and he was playing the main character,

1323
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:05,199
Saul Hershkowitz, who had an encounter with aliens and as

1324
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:08,000
a result, he wants to ask for advice from Professor A.

1325
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:08,520
Speaker 2: Blow.

1326
01:18:09,079 --> 01:18:12,600
Speaker 1: So I was part of the script and I was

1327
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,399
sitting in front of him and basically playing.

1328
01:18:15,079 --> 01:18:17,039
Speaker 2: Myself, which is the easiest thing for me to do.

1329
01:18:17,119 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 1: I cannot play anyone else, and that is true on

1330
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,880
the movie set as well as in life. I cannot

1331
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,680
play anyone other than myself of course.

1332
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,399
Speaker 3: Okay, another question. Let's see here.

1333
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:33,399
Speaker 4: You built your name arguing that science dismisses nomalies too fast,

1334
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,439
and you were willing to go public saying Amu amua,

1335
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:41,199
a single interstellar object with no image might be alien technology.

1336
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,079
Beatrice view Real's team published a peer reviewed paper on

1337
01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:48,960
more than one hundred thousand anomalist TRANSI transients with actual

1338
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:53,720
plate imaging, and that also show up in other observatories

1339
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,960
across Europe during the same timeframe. You've criticized this on

1340
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,680
several shows your Channel article A straight question. Did you

1341
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,920
read the paper before you criticized it, because if one

1342
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,319
object was worth your public argument, it's hard to see

1343
01:19:08,359 --> 01:19:11,880
why one hundred thousand isn't worth a read.

1344
01:19:13,319 --> 01:19:15,199
Speaker 2: I didn't criticize it.

1345
01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:18,119
Speaker 1: I just said that there is a source of noise

1346
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:19,479
that needs to be attended to.

1347
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:20,399
Speaker 2: That's all.

1348
01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: I did not refer to Beatrice Villa Raal by name.

1349
01:19:25,119 --> 01:19:29,319
I did not specifically say that the paper is wrong.

1350
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,960
I did not argue that the conclusions are definitely wrong.

1351
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:34,319
Speaker 2: I didn't criticize.

1352
01:19:34,359 --> 01:19:39,079
Speaker 1: This was created by social media people that wanted to

1353
01:19:39,119 --> 01:19:42,039
create an argument where I just brought up the fact

1354
01:19:42,319 --> 01:19:46,279
that cosmic rays provide noise, a source of noise, and

1355
01:19:46,319 --> 01:19:49,039
we have to understand the role of cosmic raise. So

1356
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,840
the simplest way to address this argument would be to say,

1357
01:19:53,359 --> 01:19:58,359
here are the reasons why cosmic rays cannot explain those phenomena.

1358
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,960
Now that should include all so the anti correlation between

1359
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,520
geomagnetic activity and cosmic rays. So it's not as if

1360
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,319
I'm arguing that the work is wrong. I'm just saying

1361
01:20:09,359 --> 01:20:12,039
there is a source of noise that needs to be

1362
01:20:12,079 --> 01:20:16,960
attended to, and if you are not willing to entertain

1363
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,880
sources of noise, then sorry. Cosmic rays will not go

1364
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,760
away just because you don't like them, for the same

1365
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,560
reason that the Sun will not start to move around

1366
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,680
the Earth just because the Vaticans said that. You know,

1367
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,039
back then, it was even more popular to believe that

1368
01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:36,079
the Sun moves around the Earth than it is to

1369
01:20:36,119 --> 01:20:40,319
believe that UFOs exist. In nineteen fifties, Okay, so there

1370
01:20:40,399 --> 01:20:44,319
was a whole community, the entire world believe that the

1371
01:20:44,359 --> 01:20:47,000
Sun moves around the Earth, and yet it's not true.

1372
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:51,319
Speaker 2: Okay, so the Sun doesn't change its trajectory just.

1373
01:20:51,279 --> 01:20:56,079
Speaker 1: Because it's the popular view, or the cosmic rays will

1374
01:20:56,079 --> 01:20:59,239
not go away just because you don't like them. So

1375
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:01,760
the way for you to deal with that is not

1376
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,520
to say, how dare you bring this up? Which is

1377
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,720
what the Church, the Vatican said to Galileo, how dare

1378
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,840
you bring this up? This is not the right argument.

1379
01:21:12,319 --> 01:21:15,840
The right argument is to say these transience cannot be

1380
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:22,680
cosmic rays because ABCDE because you know, and the anti

1381
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:27,079
correlation with geomagnetic activity cannot be explained as a result

1382
01:21:27,119 --> 01:21:30,880
of cosmic raise being modulated by geognetic activity because of this,

1383
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,399
and that you just need to explain that it's not

1384
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:37,000
a personal attack. It's not an attack on the validity

1385
01:21:37,039 --> 01:21:40,279
of the results. It's just bringing up a source of noise.

1386
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,279
And the fact that it makes some people upset just

1387
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,520
discussing a possible source of noise tells you that for

1388
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,399
them it's a matter of belief. They're not willing to

1389
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,760
engage in a rational discussion about a possible source of noise.

1390
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,680
I'm not saying the conclusions are wrong, I'm just saying

1391
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,720
we need to demonstrate, and after we demonstrate that these

1392
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,479
are not cosmic raise, we will be at a stronger position.

1393
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,880
This is a completely integral part of doing science, and

1394
01:22:07,319 --> 01:22:10,720
all of these people that get upset do not understand

1395
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,000
how science is done. They think it's personal. I have not,

1396
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,960
I mean, excellent relationship with Beatrice. We converse very often,

1397
01:22:19,399 --> 01:22:22,760
we are on zoom calls together. We have nothing personal

1398
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:26,479
against each other. I'm just talking about cosmic RaSE being noise,

1399
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,399
and all these people on social media making it a

1400
01:22:29,399 --> 01:22:30,279
personal attack.

1401
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,119
Speaker 2: That's not a personal attack.

1402
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,560
Speaker 3: There, we're talking about cosmic rays. Wanting him to go away.

1403
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,119
Speaker 4: I wish Nil de grass Tyson would go away, and

1404
01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:41,359
that hasn't happened. So you know, sometimes what you wish

1405
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:47,840
for is gonna happen. Let's see here, let's see doctor

1406
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,920
Loebe says his committee will get the unclassified data. That's

1407
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,119
the whole problem. The answers are known, but they're classified.

1408
01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:56,239
This looks like to.

1409
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 3: Be a continued attempt to avoid disclosure. What are your

1410
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:00,399
thoughts on that?

1411
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: Obviously, once again yea.

1412
01:23:03,399 --> 01:23:07,319
Speaker 1: Once again, the person who asked this question thinks that

1413
01:23:07,359 --> 01:23:11,359
we know the answer or believes that we know the answer.

1414
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 2: Okay.

1415
01:23:12,359 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: If we know the answer, show it so that everyone

1416
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:20,039
will be convinced. Okay, show the evidence. I respond to evidence.

1417
01:23:20,359 --> 01:23:23,960
I don't respond to storytelling. And you can believe some

1418
01:23:24,319 --> 01:23:25,640
eyewitness testimonies.

1419
01:23:26,359 --> 01:23:27,319
Speaker 2: That's not enough.

1420
01:23:28,079 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: What you need is to show the evidence that convinces everyone.

1421
01:23:32,119 --> 01:23:36,079
Like the Vatican was convinced that the Earth moves around

1422
01:23:36,079 --> 01:23:41,119
the Sun after the evidence was sufficiently you know, robust,

1423
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,520
so that everyone believed in it. That's the way science

1424
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,800
makes progress. Eventually, there is so much evidence you can't

1425
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,399
avoid the conclusion. Okay, So we are not at that

1426
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,520
stage right now. If we were at that stage, there

1427
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,399
would be no need for a council. There would be

1428
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no need for deliberations within the Pentagon about the nature

1429
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,079
of these objects, because it would be clear that they

1430
01:24:03,119 --> 01:24:06,640
are not related to adversarial nations. Maybe it is clear,

1431
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,680
you're saying, maybe a government already knows. Well, I need

1432
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,840
to see the evidence to be convinced as well.

1433
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 2: It was not shared with us.

1434
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: All the documents, videos, files, images that were released in

1435
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,960
the three batches, one on May eighth, another one on

1436
01:24:24,039 --> 01:24:27,960
May twenty second, a third one on June twelfth. All

1437
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,720
of the data that was released does not include one

1438
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:35,159
single case where you can say, beyond any doubt, this

1439
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:40,239
is evidence for alien visitation or non human made technologist.

1440
01:24:40,319 --> 01:24:43,680
There is not a single case where it's beyond any

1441
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:44,600
reasonable doubt.

1442
01:24:45,079 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 2: And so that's the issue.

1443
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: The issue is demonstrating it so that everyone will be convinced.

1444
01:24:51,399 --> 01:24:53,239
And you may argue with me and say that you

1445
01:24:53,279 --> 01:24:56,680
are already convinced, but that's not enough because if just

1446
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,920
think about the courtroom case, the fact that someone in

1447
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,640
the audience is fully convinced that the person on the

1448
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:09,079
bench is guilty, that doesn't clinge the case. Okay, it

1449
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,359
should be based on evidence, and that's what we are

1450
01:25:12,359 --> 01:25:15,399
waiting for, and I'm happy to contribute to the delivery

1451
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,680
of evidence. You may be right in your conviction, you

1452
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,520
may be you may believe you not the answer already.

1453
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:25,680
We might actually have it somewhere hidden. We haven't seen it.

1454
01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:28,640
Steven Spielberg is sure that it's out there.

1455
01:25:29,039 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 2: He made the movie.

1456
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:32,159
Speaker 1: I want to see it in reality, not in the

1457
01:25:32,199 --> 01:25:35,800
movie on the movie set, okay, and if someone shows

1458
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,840
it to me, I would be very happy to accept that.

1459
01:25:39,159 --> 01:25:42,600
But without seeing it, it's just a story, and there

1460
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:46,279
are many stories that were told over history that turned

1461
01:25:46,319 --> 01:25:48,520
out not to be right. So how do we figure

1462
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,079
out what is true and what is not by attending

1463
01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:52,680
firsthand to the evidence.

1464
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 4: But do you expect let's just say that, well, let's

1465
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:01,279
just say we know this is true, that the best

1466
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:07,640
censor information, the best scientific evidence is classified, you know,

1467
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,640
with with you know, with with the with the latest

1468
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,359
releases from the Trump administration. I mean, yeah, I look

1469
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:18,039
at it, and I'm like, that looks like instantaneous acceleration

1470
01:26:18,199 --> 01:26:20,840
or whatever. But you don't see any data. You don't

1471
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:22,119
see any range information.

1472
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:23,359
Speaker 2: So that's right.

1473
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,079
Speaker 3: How how are we ever going to get past that point?

1474
01:26:28,279 --> 01:26:31,560
Speaker 4: That's exactly we're only seeing on just the you know,

1475
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:32,720
the remedial stuff.

1476
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly the goal to convince the government that

1477
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,720
this should be shared. Now, the one consideration that obviously

1478
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,600
the Pentagon has and the intelligence agencies have is they

1479
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,439
don't want to compromise national security.

1480
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 2: So we can.

1481
01:26:50,079 --> 01:26:53,239
Speaker 1: Review the data that they are willing to hand over,

1482
01:26:54,159 --> 01:26:56,840
we can suggest collecting more data, and if at the

1483
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,039
end of this process of back and forth exchanges of

1484
01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:03,479
the Council that I'm leading with the government, if it

1485
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:09,319
turns out that people within government clearly find these objects

1486
01:27:09,359 --> 01:27:12,760
to be non human made. You know, then I think

1487
01:27:13,039 --> 01:27:17,000
that information should be shared with all humans on earth,

1488
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,600
because there is no point. You know, if you go

1489
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,800
to your backyard and you find a tennis ball thrown

1490
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,439
by a neighbor, and your family thinks they don't have

1491
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,800
a neighbor at the dinner table, I think it's your

1492
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:32,720
obligation to tell your family members that we do have

1493
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,680
a neighbor, because one day the neighbor will knock on

1494
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:39,319
the front door and will affect their life. So, if

1495
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:43,039
beyond any doubt it's clear that we are being visited

1496
01:27:43,079 --> 01:27:47,239
by some non human made technologies, this should be information

1497
01:27:47,359 --> 01:27:50,840
shared by all with all humans. We are all in

1498
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,399
the same boat. But we are not at that stage yet.

1499
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:56,880
At least I'm not at that stage because I was

1500
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:01,560
not privy to such information. Maybe the government has it,

1501
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,159
so we will try to do our best to convince

1502
01:28:04,199 --> 01:28:05,000
them to share it.

1503
01:28:07,159 --> 01:28:12,119
Speaker 4: Last question for you, if the government were to come

1504
01:28:12,119 --> 01:28:17,199
to you and say, doctor Avi Lobe with this non

1505
01:28:17,279 --> 01:28:21,560
human intelligence has been here all along, perhaps even lived

1506
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:23,640
here amongst us all along.

1507
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,039
Speaker 3: It's here, would you be surprised?

1508
01:28:29,359 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: I would not use the term surprised. As my response,

1509
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:42,000
I would be how should they say at all? Because

1510
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:49,840
we're dealing with perhaps a super human entity, someone who

1511
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,520
is more capable than humans. You know, if we are

1512
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:58,520
dealing with biological creatures, then it could be they could

1513
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,720
have been designed by since biology. You know, we think

1514
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:06,680
about robots with AI as the most advanced astronauts that

1515
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:08,760
we can send. But in the future, we might send

1516
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:13,800
synthetic biology astronauts that can survive the harsh conditions of space,

1517
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:18,640
and we might be visited by such things. But first,

1518
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:22,279
I would be at all because they managed to bridge

1519
01:29:22,319 --> 01:29:26,119
the huge distances across the Milky Way galaxy and they

1520
01:29:26,199 --> 01:29:29,119
get here. And the second immediate feeling that I'll have

1521
01:29:29,399 --> 01:29:34,119
is what are they? What's the intent? What can we

1522
01:29:34,199 --> 01:29:38,199
learn from their existence? What would the implications be to

1523
01:29:38,279 --> 01:29:40,920
the future of humanity? And you know, it's just like

1524
01:29:41,039 --> 01:29:45,119
finding a visitor in your backyard from the street. What

1525
01:29:45,159 --> 01:29:48,119
would be your response to that. You don't know whether

1526
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:53,159
the visitor has friendly or hostile intentions. You have to

1527
01:29:53,239 --> 01:29:56,239
monitor that visitor. You don't know how capable the visitor is.

1528
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:00,079
It may be from a completely different reality that we

1529
01:30:00,119 --> 01:30:05,680
don't understand. So first thing is to watch it and

1530
01:30:06,079 --> 01:30:09,720
learn from looking at it. Be quiet and just just

1531
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:12,119
listen to the other side. You know, that's what you

1532
01:30:12,199 --> 01:30:14,800
do on a blind date. If you're smart, you don't

1533
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,039
speak too much. You just listen to the other side

1534
01:30:17,039 --> 01:30:17,720
to figure.

1535
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:18,319
Speaker 2: Them out that.

1536
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 3: Time talking yet.

1537
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: But you know, fundamentally, it would be just like one

1538
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:32,439
of those revelations that I talked about in religious texts,

1539
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:36,920
because it's something very profound, fundamental that would have a

1540
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:41,079
huge impact on our future. And it's not I mean,

1541
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,880
what I would feel is not a sense of surprise,

1542
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,279
because it's very reasonable that we could be visited, you know,

1543
01:30:47,399 --> 01:30:50,399
based on the fact that there are billions of Earth

1544
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,960
Sun analogs, probably in the Milky Way galaxy, and most

1545
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,640
of them formed billions of years before the Sun, So

1546
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:01,279
why should we be surprised to find anyone near us.

1547
01:31:01,319 --> 01:31:04,800
It would be more you know, this revelation, the impact

1548
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,479
on our future is so huge, and it's also a

1549
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:10,880
huge reward for my life journey if I were to

1550
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:11,520
witness that.

1551
01:31:12,199 --> 01:31:13,520
Speaker 2: And you know, we.

1552
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:17,279
Speaker 1: Keep being frustrated by reading the news every day. Just

1553
01:31:17,319 --> 01:31:20,560
think about the fact that there is something beyond what

1554
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:25,720
happens on this Earth and other source of intelligence out there.

1555
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,079
Right now, we think about the universe as called and lonely,

1556
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,000
being made of matter and radiation. I wrote textbooks with that,

1557
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,279
you know, content in mind. And if we end up

1558
01:31:37,319 --> 01:31:40,199
finding that we have partners out there that are intelligent,

1559
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,359
it will give us an emotional connection to the universe.

1560
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 2: It will change everything. And then.

1561
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: You know, it would be really interesting because religious texts,

1562
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:58,319
you know, imagined a superhuman entity. But if we find

1563
01:31:58,359 --> 01:32:01,880
the superhuman entity visiting us, that's you know, that's that's

1564
01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:06,960
more specific. And and the question is what would their

1565
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,560
impact be on our life in the future. And you know,

1566
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,119
it will bring so many thoughts in my mind. But

1567
01:32:13,359 --> 01:32:15,920
just like finding a visitor to our backyard, it really

1568
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,319
depends on the details of what the visitor is, what

1569
01:32:18,359 --> 01:32:22,439
the intent is. So my response will reflect the traits

1570
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,479
of this visitor. And I'm not willing to imagine something

1571
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,760
based on what Steven Spielberg put in his film. That

1572
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:33,119
is not a good prescription. You know, we should just

1573
01:32:33,319 --> 01:32:38,520
watch Who Is Visiting Us without imagining what Spielberg imagined,

1574
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,520
because it will likely be very different.

1575
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I hope the next Steven Spielberg movie, at

1576
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,039
least the good trouble show makes it into a storyline

1577
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:52,319
as that I don't know.

1578
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 1: Somebody was, well, you know, I met him when he

1579
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,039
got an honorary degree at Harvard and that was a

1580
01:33:01,079 --> 01:33:04,079
decade ago, and he said, AVI, if you find anything,

1581
01:33:04,359 --> 01:33:08,359
let me be the first to know about it. And

1582
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,560
of course it shows modesty. He is fully aware that

1583
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:16,640
his imagination is not sufficient to figure out what the

1584
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:17,800
encounter would look like.

1585
01:33:18,399 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 4: Awesome, Well, doctor Lord, thank you so much. Finally, how

1586
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:27,520
will folks be able to follow along with what this

1587
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:31,119
committee is doing? Or does it have to go through

1588
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:34,760
D and I or whatever or sue Go or whatever

1589
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:35,479
the hell her name is.

1590
01:33:36,079 --> 01:33:37,560
Speaker 3: Hout what you're doing.

1591
01:33:38,359 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: Just subscribe to my essays on medium dot com Avilob

1592
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:45,920
At medium dot com I have one hundred and fifty

1593
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:47,520
five thousand followers there.

1594
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:49,199
Speaker 2: You can subscribe for free.

1595
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 1: I'm not making any money out of that, and I

1596
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,159
give the regular updates there. You might enjoy some of

1597
01:33:55,199 --> 01:33:57,840
the essays that I put over the past week. They

1598
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:00,600
will give you more details about the subjects we were discussing.

1599
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 4: I love that absolutely well, and I have to say

1600
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:09,920
I think you are officially the number one most saying

1601
01:34:10,039 --> 01:34:13,600
my grammar isn't great our number one guest in terms

1602
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,520
of the number of appearances you've been on the show,

1603
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,319
so I think this is number six now. So thank

1604
01:34:18,359 --> 01:34:22,279
you very much, Honored with your presence, and really just

1605
01:34:22,359 --> 01:34:24,319
excited about your work and what you'll be up to.

1606
01:34:25,039 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 1: Well, what I would like to wish your show is

1607
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:31,439
that my next appearance on your show will be the

1608
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:32,479
most exciting one.

1609
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 3: I love that.

1610
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 4: Well, you know what, all your appearances on my show

1611
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,600
I think are pretty darn exciting. But hey, if you're

1612
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,239
ready to level up, I'm certainly up for that.

1613
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:42,399
Speaker 3: Well, doctor havev you Lobe.

1614
01:34:42,399 --> 01:34:44,319
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us, and look forward

1615
01:34:44,319 --> 01:34:49,760
to having you back with an even more surprising, insightful interview.

1616
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,359
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Thank you for having me.