Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Damian Othello from Dublin, Ireland, and I play
Speaker 1: at Roganstown Country Club in North County, Dublin. Welcome to
Speaker 1: Golf Murder, episode number.
Speaker 2: Nine hundred and ninety three.
Speaker 1: I have been saying I wish we would mic the
Speaker 1: golf bags on tour. How many times you could flip
Speaker 1: that thing on and listen to a caddy talk to
Speaker 1: the player of what was going on and how it
Speaker 1: was going on. And at Augusta you can watch every
Speaker 1: shot of every player online. I don't know what that
Speaker 1: technology cost. I don't know it. Because it's played at
Speaker 1: the same place every year, it's easier. But can you
Speaker 1: imagine being able to watch a golfer listen to him
Speaker 1: and his caddy talk. I pay to listen to Nascar.
Speaker 1: I don't watch much NASCAR anymore, but I will listen
Speaker 1: to a race, but I can hear the driver and
Speaker 1: the crew chiep talking and that's really exciting to me,
Speaker 1: listen to what's going on. How many people would pay
Speaker 1: three ninety nine or five ninety nine a month to
Speaker 1: be able to watch their favorite player? I would. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what I do with the Masters. If I'm watching
Speaker 1: a line I'm watching my guys play.
Speaker 2: Atlanta wins TGL and we go inside the celebration ropes
Speaker 2: with Lucas Glover's agent Mac Barnhardt. This is Golf Smarter,
Speaker 2: sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf mindes to
Speaker 2: help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.
Speaker 2: Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf
Speaker 2: Smarter Podcast. Mac.
Speaker 1: Thanks Fred, great to be here. Buddy.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we were on a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: We had a blast. But I was watching TV the
Speaker 2: other night, watching the TGL finals ye and looking into
Speaker 2: the owner's box of Atlanta and there's Lucas Club. Wait
Speaker 2: a minute, sitting next to Lucas's Mac. Mac.
Speaker 1: I'm waving at you.
Speaker 2: I'm screaming. My son is in town. We're sitting there watching.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's Mac. There's a book. I macked it up.
Speaker 2: I show him Mac. And so, first of all, congratulations
Speaker 2: on being part of the championship team. The Atlanta team
Speaker 2: wins TGL for the inaugural year.
Speaker 1: Really cool, Yep.
Speaker 2: It's pretty exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, it's brand new to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I played a wooden driver for a long time.
Speaker 1: I get it. This is a new concept, but you know,
Speaker 1: I think it'll catch on. I mean, if you come
Speaker 1: to the event, and it's hard not to get wrapped
Speaker 1: up into the excitement. And you know, it was fun
Speaker 1: watching Lucas cheerybody owned his teammates and you know, and
Speaker 1: you know, we got to set with mister Blank, who
Speaker 1: owns the team and who's just a wonderful guy, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and obviously winning and then he had a
Speaker 1: whole really post you know, post match celebration like you
Speaker 1: would if any other championship team. If his Falcons win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, I'm sure it'll be like that. But
Speaker 1: it was really cool. It's really neat that. And the
Speaker 1: really neat thing is is, look, all your friends and family,
Speaker 1: they're welcome to come. Please bring them in. And they
Speaker 1: gave out T shirts and hats and and it was
Speaker 1: pretty special.
Speaker 2: I'm still sporting my Bay Club team, I understand, and
Speaker 2: I'm wearing my my windbreaker here and I'm sorry that
Speaker 2: they didn't. You know, they had such a fast start
Speaker 2: and they're looking so good. I'm like, oh, we're going
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs, and then it just kind of
Speaker 2: fell apart. I'll tell you it's Atlanta was just the opposite.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean, think about it. I mean, Lucas
Speaker 1: probably statistically is playing better than any other teammates. So
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anybody had a chance with
Speaker 1: those four guys. They could have just thrown their names
Speaker 1: in a hat and they were all just they're all
Speaker 1: playing really good golf, and they're all excited about it,
Speaker 1: and they're you know, they're passionate about it, and so
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's why they won. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it's golf, but you can see the excitement in it,
Speaker 1: and people think, you know, how much money they want.
Speaker 1: None of them were thinking that they want to beat you.
Speaker 1: They want to win, and it's fun to watch.
Speaker 2: The purse wasn't bad. I mean, I know they're splitting
Speaker 2: it as a team. Hopefully they're splitting it evenly as
Speaker 2: a team, all four of them, but still it was
Speaker 2: a it was a healthy purse.
Speaker 1: Oh my right o. Yep, yep. I think that's what
Speaker 1: they say. It's a pretty nice week.
Speaker 2: But I want to know what was the buzz in
Speaker 2: the building while that championship match was happened. The final
Speaker 2: championship match on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: And it was real. It was real. I mean it was.
Speaker 2: Sporting events to be able to gauge.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, it's it's hard to I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: the people there are really having a good time and
Speaker 1: they're into it, and the players are into it. They're
Speaker 1: not kidding around. I mean, you know, they're a competitive
Speaker 1: and Lucas is kind of yelling at Billy horsehow about stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like what you would see in a
Speaker 1: team concept. And I tell people, if you go back
Speaker 1: and look at the Ryder Cup from the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: go watch film. You know of the nineteen eighties Ryder Cup.
Speaker 1: They weren't sold out, There wasn't there was massive crowds
Speaker 1: until nineteen ninety one and what they call it the
Speaker 1: War by the Sea or something like that in ninety one.
Speaker 1: That's what kicked it off. And what's going to be
Speaker 1: the thing that kicks tgl off. There'll be something a
Speaker 1: watershed moment that people really will pay attention and they'll
Speaker 1: come running in. The thing I like about it as
Speaker 1: I think with the absence of Tiger on tour, we've
Speaker 1: lost a lot of the sports fans that watched golf.
Speaker 1: You know, Tiger brought into sports fans, and I think
Speaker 1: it's important that we earn we earn our golf fans back.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of golf fans have been turned
Speaker 1: off us and things in the past few years, and
Speaker 1: so we've got to real you know, we've got to
Speaker 1: get these golf fans back involved. And I think this
Speaker 1: and this may actually is seeing all the baseball players
Speaker 1: and stuff there that night, you know, the other sports stars.
Speaker 1: This may bring the other sports fans back into the game,
Speaker 1: which may then push them to watch you know, other
Speaker 1: pro goff events, right, And that's what I hope. But
Speaker 1: I think we've got to earn I think we've got
Speaker 1: to earn a lot of the golf fans back into
Speaker 1: this game as well. It's just been so much talk
Speaker 1: about money, and it's it's just in our business. It's
Speaker 1: never talked about there is a moment that money comes in.
Speaker 1: But you don't hear that ever about that putt was worth.
Speaker 1: I think Lucas made a putt the finished third and
Speaker 1: the players and people are telling me how much that
Speaker 1: putt meant. I mean, Lucas didn't know. He didn't. He'll
Speaker 1: find that later, But that wasn't the point, and everybody
Speaker 1: needs to understand these guys are not playing the game
Speaker 1: for money. I mean, they do earn a living doing it,
Speaker 1: but that's not what they're They're playing to compete and
Speaker 1: beat people. That's it's it's always been the crux. And
Speaker 1: we just need to get talking about the money and
Speaker 1: and let these sports fans know that these guys would
Speaker 1: play for nothing. I mean they don't, but they want
Speaker 1: to compete. So but I was, like I said, I'm
Speaker 1: super excited.
Speaker 2: You could see the energy. I mean, Billy horshchall was obvious.
Speaker 2: Uh and it was so exciting and what and you
Speaker 2: were part of that winning team, I mean being being
Speaker 2: associated with Lucas. I mean you didn't get to pick
Speaker 2: up a putter or luckily you didn't have to hit out.
Speaker 2: You didn't have to hit out of one of those bunkers.
Speaker 1: Thank god they didn't want be doing it.
Speaker 2: But it has to be exciting to be part of
Speaker 2: the inaugural winning team, even you know, loosely associated.
Speaker 1: Loosely associally obviously asociated just by our conversations. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't repeat it. You know, I've known mister Blanks
Speaker 1: for thirty some years, you know, just an incredible man.
Speaker 1: To be somewhat associated with him winning a championship, you know,
Speaker 1: is you know, you don't get those chances much in life,
Speaker 1: and I feel honored to be a part of it.
Speaker 1: I was on TV too much because of the hundreds
Speaker 1: of texts I got telling me, you know, call me
Speaker 1: ugly and one of my you know all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and and I tell them, I said, you know, a
Speaker 1: camera adds ten pounds. And unfortunately they had three cameras
Speaker 1: on me the whole time. So but yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 1: Like I say, I try not to be a part
Speaker 1: of the show. That was a sign seating. I didn't
Speaker 1: have a choice. That's where my name tag was and
Speaker 1: I sat there. I knew I would be seen, you know.
Speaker 1: I had one of our buddies, doctor David Murphy, our team,
Speaker 1: one of our team surgeons, and he was there and
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, no, look forewarned, you know,
Speaker 1: don't pick your nose, don't do anything silly because they're
Speaker 1: going to see you. So and I hope I didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, but.
Speaker 2: No, no, Well, well thank you for explaining why I
Speaker 2: sent you a text the following morning and didn't hear
Speaker 2: from you. For twenty four hours, which is like unlike
Speaker 2: you at all. Yeah, it was, but I'm sure that
Speaker 2: you being on TV like that, you're going to get
Speaker 2: a lot of people reaching out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just you know, most of them were really fun
Speaker 1: and you know, the stuff they were telling me was
Speaker 1: quite funny, and I mean it's friends. I mean I
Speaker 1: get it. And you know, again, I don't try to
Speaker 1: ever be part of the show. I try to stay
Speaker 1: away from that stuff if I can, I like behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. But it was fun to be with Lucas
Speaker 1: and experience with him, because you know, he was really pumped.
Speaker 2: And tell me about that. How is Lucas doing watching it?
Speaker 2: Watching about these guys want to play?
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie to you. He wanted to
Speaker 1: He did not want to be I don't want to
Speaker 1: say the proverbial bench. He did not. He wanted to
Speaker 1: play and he and obviously these are competitive men. These
Speaker 1: are not people out there they're showing off. This is
Speaker 1: what they do. They compete. And yeah, so he there's
Speaker 1: no question disappointed, But you can't argue with the fact
Speaker 1: that they won the championship. And whoever put the team
Speaker 1: out there may have known something that we didn't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like Lucas would have been I think they'd
Speaker 1: have won no matter what. I just think they're that
Speaker 1: much better than the other teams. But yeah, I mean disappointed,
Speaker 1: but not in a way of like, you know, screw it,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, I'll be there. I'm gonna support
Speaker 1: my team. I believe it, and if they need me,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. And he would have been ready
Speaker 1: to go if they had lost that first match. I
Speaker 1: believe he'd been pulled in, thank goodness, so we didn't
Speaker 1: need it.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I loved about watching TGL
Speaker 2: is that it was more personality golf then you'll ever
Speaker 2: see on the PGA Tour because everybody's on their own
Speaker 2: island when they're playing on tour, competing against one another,
Speaker 2: but watching them and listening to them, right, having every
Speaker 2: guy miked and being part of a team. Just to me,
Speaker 2: it just sucked you in. It brought you in, and
Speaker 2: I kept trying to bug my friends, you got to
Speaker 2: watch this, you gotta watch this, and I hope to
Speaker 2: watch the last one because they really did save the
Speaker 2: best for last that that game, that match I was
Speaker 2: I said, I was watching it with my son and
Speaker 2: I said, you know, as we were getting into the
Speaker 2: fourteenth hole there and we're tied and it was super close,
Speaker 2: and the hammer wasn't work and whatnot. It felt more
Speaker 2: like a baseball game, a playoff baseball game, than it
Speaker 2: did almost any other sport. I mean, look at the score,
Speaker 2: four four, five five four, you know, five to four,
Speaker 2: you know that kind of scoring, and little nuanced things
Speaker 2: happened at work that didn't work. That felt like championship baseball,
Speaker 2: like any other sport.
Speaker 1: And you're talking about the hammer, you know, because Lucas
Speaker 1: is like talking to him when they would come back over,
Speaker 1: They're like talking about they had a little hand signals
Speaker 1: for the hammer. You could see him like, and I
Speaker 1: think Patrick Cantley maybe the I think he may be
Speaker 1: the real expert at the hammer, if not Lucas, and
Speaker 1: I'm probably, but yeah, I mean as a whole new element.
Speaker 1: And look, we've watched Ryder Cup. We see what team
Speaker 1: golf looks like. We see these guys come alive and
Speaker 1: team golf and you know, I'm going to say the
Speaker 1: dirty word and live and I'm being funny. I love
Speaker 1: liv Live golf is team event and I've been a
Speaker 1: part of that through Andy Ogletree, and you're right. You see,
Speaker 1: these guys have that team atmosphere is awesome. And that's
Speaker 1: what I kept saying earlier is what is wrong with
Speaker 1: some team golf? A So some team golf in this thing,
Speaker 1: and both the PGA Tour and Live should be able
Speaker 1: to live together and combine some of that stuff. It'd
Speaker 1: be awesome. It'd be cool if they'd have a you know,
Speaker 1: have a lived team show up. You know what if
Speaker 1: they'd have had a live team show up, so well
Speaker 1: next week, now they got to play these guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's integrate these guys back in and maybe TJ I'll
Speaker 1: give us that opportunity.
Speaker 2: Well, you brought it up. I was going to but
Speaker 2: since you already brought it up, you know, this seemed
Speaker 2: to work. TGL seemed to work. It was a great
Speaker 2: TV event. It was a made for TV event. And
Speaker 2: as Barney Adams has said to us before, hey, the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour is a television show, right, and this was
Speaker 2: designed to be a two hour TV show with competition.
Speaker 2: So it's like on an off sports night you get
Speaker 2: to watch some sports. But so I have to think
Speaker 2: that they're walking away from the end of this season
Speaker 2: TGL and Tomorrow Sports walk away thinking this worked, We
Speaker 2: succeeded absolutely absolutely. Why did TGL work versus Live doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to have worked. I've never watched, never cared to
Speaker 2: watch a live event. Is what do you what do
Speaker 2: you in your seat? What do you think is the
Speaker 2: difference or why?
Speaker 1: One? Well, there was a lot of negative energy thrown
Speaker 1: toward it, you know, to yeah, to try to lead
Speaker 1: people from not watching it. I believe that. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: I think there's organizations that did not want Live to succeed, sure,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot of negative Second thing
Speaker 1: is is I think they finally got to deal with
Speaker 1: Fox TV, the Fox Networks, and now there's going to
Speaker 1: be more exposure to be easier to watch. I think
Speaker 1: some people had some difficulty finding the CW of whatever league.
Speaker 1: I think some of that it's new, it's you know,
Speaker 1: and again it's just there's a lot of people on
Speaker 1: this island that are they're either anti live or pro live,
Speaker 1: and it's the most ridiculous thing. It's you know, from
Speaker 1: my point of view, it's GoF they're aren't and off
Speaker 1: GoF opportunities for all the talent out there now much
Speaker 1: less trying to limit another option. I think there's there's
Speaker 1: room for several more tours and that much talent is
Speaker 1: out there, so I whether live works or not, I
Speaker 1: think it's again, GoF is a slow moving game. It
Speaker 1: took a long time for people to quit wearing leather
Speaker 1: bottomed shoes. I mean, you didn't you saw it forever.
Speaker 1: They're not giving away the foot joy classics and still spikes,
Speaker 1: you remember that it just metal drivers. It takes people time,
Speaker 1: but once they lock into it, then it's fine. And
Speaker 1: I go back to the Ryder Cup. After ninety one,
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup becomes a sold out event. They're selling
Speaker 1: what's it, six hundred and fifty dollars a ticket in
Speaker 1: New York for a day, and they're selling them faster
Speaker 1: than they can print them. And it took a long
Speaker 1: time for that competition to catch the eyes of the public.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the same thing for Tgo, and
Speaker 1: I think it'll be the same thing for Lyft. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's an incredible amount of talent playing Lyft, and like
Speaker 1: them or not or wherever, all the reasons, it's competitive golf.
Speaker 1: And I'm going next week to Miami with Andy ogle
Speaker 1: Tree to be there, and it's just just competitive. It's
Speaker 1: no different. This guys are not they're not playing for money.
Speaker 1: They are, they're earning money to play, but that's not
Speaker 1: what they're playing for. They play to compete. These guys
Speaker 1: are competitive people, and I think that's where we need
Speaker 1: to get away from. I mean a lot of people
Speaker 1: with inflation are having a hard time feeding their families
Speaker 1: and just continuing to hear about these obscenes about some money,
Speaker 1: and I think it wears on you. I think we
Speaker 1: mentioned this one time. Derek Jeter was making what sixty
Speaker 1: million a year, but they didn't announce his salary every
Speaker 1: time he hit a home run. I mean it was
Speaker 1: like they talked about earlier in the year and then
Speaker 1: it was over. Now he's playing baseball, and I think
Speaker 1: that's what we should do with golf. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's money involved in it, but let's just get back
Speaker 1: to these guys are trying to they want to win.
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't but Lucas is gonna get paid
Speaker 1: whether or not he played or not. But they didn't.
Speaker 1: He wanted to play, right, I mean, he's that's what
Speaker 1: you know. And I think That's why they probably won.
Speaker 1: Is those guys all wanted to play, you know, they
Speaker 1: weren't just I mean I was I was really shocked
Speaker 1: that Tiger and Roy didn't show up for the finals.
Speaker 1: And if they were there, I didn't see them, but
Speaker 1: I thought they would sound to come out, maybe to
Speaker 1: staying with mister Blank and yeah, I thought that would
Speaker 1: be it. And I don't know if it's because they
Speaker 1: weren't playing and they didn't feel it, but I thought
Speaker 1: there would be a lot.
Speaker 2: More all the teams that should have been there.
Speaker 1: I thought there'd be a lot. I mean, most of
Speaker 1: those guys lived ten minutes in there. I thought there
Speaker 1: would be a lot more support to come in and
Speaker 1: support the league because it's important for it to succeed.
Speaker 1: And I think Tiger and Rory, and I think Matthew
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick was there. I didn't run into him, but who
Speaker 1: was you know, didn't play for their team. I think
Speaker 1: it was Case, but he was there, Okay, we good.
Speaker 1: I didn't say it, but he was on Team Bun.
Speaker 1: I just thought that. I just thought that, I mean,
Speaker 1: this thing working is good for everybody in golf and
Speaker 1: everybody that could have been there on a Tuesday night,
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do, and it's fun, free drinks
Speaker 1: and food. I mean, what more do you want? And
Speaker 1: I just thought I thought that it might be a
Speaker 1: bunch of tour players hanging out, come over and celebrate,
Speaker 1: you know, when Davis's team won the US I mean
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup in twenty sixteen, Somewhere during the celebration party,
Speaker 1: all the European team came over and hung out with
Speaker 1: the American team and had drinks and Darren Clark did
Speaker 1: a wonderful toast to the American team. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I thought would happen. I thought that we'd
Speaker 1: all come together they won. But here we all are,
Speaker 1: and this is great for golf, and I kind of
Speaker 1: made me squeamish a little bit to think that even
Speaker 1: Tiger and Rory wouldn't be there.
Speaker 2: M Well, one of the one of the early conversations
Speaker 2: that we had in talking about talking about Live, you
Speaker 2: made the comment about that the teams should have been
Speaker 2: regional as opposed to just random names, because then it
Speaker 2: makes it easier, makes it easier a for merchandising, but
Speaker 2: be for people to latch onto it, like here I
Speaker 2: am wearing clothes from the Bay team. I think that
Speaker 2: I think that that really worked for TGL, having the
Speaker 2: teams being regional. You know. I mean I got the
Speaker 2: new Lab golf putter, the one designed by Adam Scott,
Speaker 2: and I didn't realize that I got it in Green
Speaker 2: and he's playing for Boston. So it's like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is perfect type the Adams Scott pletter and Green because
Speaker 2: he's playing for Boston on TGL.
Speaker 1: But that's it exactly. Well, Yeah, yeah, I like I said,
Speaker 1: I again, I'm trying not to. I have my own
Speaker 1: ideas and I've told somebody I may be dead wrong,
Speaker 1: but only have the ideas based on thirty four years
Speaker 1: in his business. And yeah, I think regional teams would
Speaker 1: have been an amazing thing. I've made the suggestion and
Speaker 1: the end I trust what they're doing. These are there's
Speaker 1: good guys and they're smart guys too. You know, why
Speaker 1: not have six players on the team like TGL, so
Speaker 1: that every player doesn't necessarily have to play every event.
Speaker 1: If TGL wants fourteen I mean, if I live wants
Speaker 1: fourteen events, and you could have let's I pretend let's
Speaker 1: let's pretend that we have an Iron Irish team, the
Speaker 1: Ireland team from Ireland, and you got Rory and Shane,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to be from Ireland, but some
Speaker 1: aspects of it. And if they had six then Rory
Speaker 1: could play four team events a year and still play
Speaker 1: his major schedule and then play his other tour schedule
Speaker 1: and his other DP World Tour schedule and not overplay.
Speaker 1: But the team would get the same amount of exposure
Speaker 1: because you'd still be I mean, I wonder if they
Speaker 1: had a Dare matter, if they had to live event
Speaker 1: and Shane and Rory were on the team, how many
Speaker 1: people would show up in jerseys kind of like going
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and seeing the Eagles and the
Speaker 1: whoever they played, the Chiefs jerseys. Sorry but I forgot
Speaker 1: they just keep putting. But yeah, but it's like the
Speaker 1: licensing opportunities of merchandising. And if you had a team
Speaker 1: for Texas and a team from here, you know, Frederica
Speaker 1: or there where people could latch onto it, want to
Speaker 1: where the jersey's proudly, you know, the licensing merchandise, That's
Speaker 1: what it would have meant to me. And I think
Speaker 1: if like TGL, they had more players than played, they
Speaker 1: could space their players out and not you know, create
Speaker 1: a situation where a guy had to play thirty times
Speaker 1: a year to play. But that's again that's my idea
Speaker 1: wrong there.
Speaker 2: But with the regional teams the TGL created, now you
Speaker 2: have like incredible room for expansion, right, because what happened
Speaker 2: to Texas. We need a definitely we needed Texas.
Speaker 1: There's some good golfers that are Texas. I hear they don't,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And we've got the two California teams. Okay, that was good,
Speaker 2: but there's so many different regions that should be represented
Speaker 2: and could be represented. And clearly the players don't have
Speaker 2: to come from that area.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I mean the Bay team was like all foreign players practically,
Speaker 2: which is great. You know, I don't care because like
Speaker 2: my San Francisco Giants, I don't know how many of
Speaker 2: those guys ever grew up and played in San Francisco
Speaker 2: growing up.
Speaker 1: Right, it's so rare that someone from Atlanta actually plays
Speaker 1: for the Atlanta Braves, but nobody cares. You know, you
Speaker 1: still Braves at and you go support the team and
Speaker 1: then yeah, I agree with you. Like I say, all
Speaker 1: this is so new is that it's going to take
Speaker 1: time for the public to find things and they're all
Speaker 1: going to kind of they'll all kind of tweak it
Speaker 1: as they go to make it better and better, which
Speaker 1: is like any product, right, I mean, the first iPhone
Speaker 1: is not as good as this iPhone. So I think
Speaker 1: they'll tweak it and get it better. Mike McCarley, who
Speaker 1: you know, it's his his baby, you know, super smart guy,
Speaker 1: and you know, kudos for him what he did. But
Speaker 1: I think he'll make it better. I think he'll figure
Speaker 1: they'll figure things out and they'll just continue to tweak it.
Speaker 1: And you know, like I say everything, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: pro professional golf. You know, the more opportunities, the better,
Speaker 1: And so that's what I hope we can always get.
Speaker 1: We can finally get to.
Speaker 2: In addition to adding new regional teams, now the door
Speaker 2: is wide open for teams that are and and you know,
Speaker 2: TGL seasons to expand. As we've discussed co ed teams,
Speaker 2: why not could be could have a live team. Why not?
Speaker 2: Who cares? Right? Because you want to bring some of
Speaker 2: those top names in, you want to bring the personalities.
Speaker 2: Bryson would be a blast to watch there, I think.
Speaker 2: So now I'm sure ESPN is ecstatic, but now they
Speaker 2: have this huge volley. They only had a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks of TGL. Why not do this? Okay, next season
Speaker 2: which starts next month, right exactly, we're going to do
Speaker 2: the LPGA on TGL, and we're going to do uh,
Speaker 2: you know, pro am, I don't know. You you can
Speaker 2: audition to play TGL, but I think there's so much
Speaker 2: room for additional seasons, not just once a year.
Speaker 1: It could be like I say, it's like I say,
Speaker 1: I probably not. It's out of my pay grade to
Speaker 1: figure out exactly how much or what to do. You know,
Speaker 1: we talk about Texas. Can you imagine Scotti Scheffler and
Speaker 1: Jordan Spaeth and Bryce de Chambeau all live in Texas.
Speaker 1: They show up and now you've got a whole different deal.
Speaker 1: And again, something's got to bring unity to this game again,
Speaker 1: and maybe TGL can play that part of it. You
Speaker 1: know that we can kind of get get past all
Speaker 1: this last this stuff mess we've been through the last
Speaker 1: four years and let's get back to you know, we
Speaker 1: got the Masters in a couple of weeks, and you're
Speaker 1: going to see all the best players in the world
Speaker 1: there not all of them there'll be some best players
Speaker 1: that won't make it for some reason. But as a rule,
Speaker 1: you're going to see the first first golf tournament with
Speaker 1: those players back together. And I think we're going to
Speaker 1: all find that that's what the golf world wants to see,
Speaker 1: and we're going to have to figure it out. I
Speaker 1: don't again, don't know that, don't know the roadback, but
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna have to get to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something, something's got to get interesting about it. So
Speaker 2: I have a suggestion. I'm you're the closest person to
Speaker 2: all of this. I have a suggestion that I thought
Speaker 2: was missing in the production of this of TG well,
Speaker 2: and it's real simple, and it has to do with
Speaker 2: hitting into the enormous screen sixty three feet hides. It's gigantic,
Speaker 2: thirty five yards away. It's hard to know. I think
Speaker 2: that there should be a sound effect for when the
Speaker 2: ball hits the screen that takes the ball from reality
Speaker 2: to virtual to real to virtual. Right, So it's just
Speaker 2: like a when the ball hits the screen, it's like
Speaker 2: a all of a sudden, it's like, okay, now I've
Speaker 2: hit the screen, so we know how long it took
Speaker 2: for the ball to get from the player to the
Speaker 2: screen and then possibly even some sort of dot or
Speaker 2: some image of where the ball hit the screen. So
Speaker 2: like if they're doing a high.
Speaker 1: Lob shot, a starburst right where.
Speaker 2: It is, or something subtle, it doesn't have to be big,
Speaker 2: and it shouldn't be. It should be subtle. But it's
Speaker 2: just like, oh, okay, that's where it is. Like if
Speaker 2: they have to hit this seventy five yard shot, they
Speaker 2: hit it all the way to the top of the screen,
Speaker 2: versus hitting your you know, hitting out of their little
Speaker 2: sand into the screen from thirty five yards away. But
Speaker 2: they hit it low and it just made it over
Speaker 2: the lip there. You know, something that gives you a
Speaker 2: sense of where it is, that takes you from reality
Speaker 2: to the virtual part of it.
Speaker 1: I'll pass it along and if it's a good idea,
Speaker 1: you get the credits. It's a bad idea, they'll tell
Speaker 1: me another one of my bad ideas. Yeah, I don't think. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're I think, well, I think they would.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I think they will do
Speaker 1: things to make it better and better. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: sure they will. I mean this is they adjust it
Speaker 1: on the fly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean look at they did to the hammer.
Speaker 2: They changed the rules of the hammer almost immediately, and
Speaker 2: it was incredibly.
Speaker 1: Effective, much better much, no question, it was much better,
Speaker 1: and that was a huge part. I don't know we'll
Speaker 1: ever see, you know, a live golf event with the
Speaker 1: with the hammer being thrown, but I mean it'd be
Speaker 1: kind of cool to watch it. I mean, that changed
Speaker 1: a lot of dynamics. But because I mean, when that
Speaker 1: hammer is thrown, it changes their whole Now it changes
Speaker 1: everything in a hurry. It used to be a game
Speaker 1: called woof that everybody played, you know, it was kind
Speaker 1: of like that. It was not that pressure five foot
Speaker 1: or until they whoofed it either pick it up whatever.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can say i'm i personally obviously for
Speaker 1: what they started out to do when the concept was there,
Speaker 1: And of course they had the building collapse last year,
Speaker 1: so they were delayed a year. And I was with
Speaker 1: Mike McCarley and actually mister Blanks when that happened, and
Speaker 1: you know, it was taken as okay, well that's okay,
Speaker 1: we'll be ready to go next year. We'll be better prepared,
Speaker 1: and everything works out for the best type of thing.
Speaker 1: But nobody knew what it was going to be like
Speaker 1: anybody how it was going to come across on TV
Speaker 1: or and you know, it was a little bit more
Speaker 1: like hockey. To me, being live was different than watching
Speaker 1: it on TV a lot more, a lot more exciting
Speaker 1: because you can see it happening a little better because
Speaker 1: you can watch it. You can watch the reaction of
Speaker 1: the ball and the player at the same time, which
Speaker 1: you can on TV. You know, you can see if
Speaker 1: the player likes it or not. And but all those
Speaker 1: things I think, are you know there might you know
Speaker 1: I've been a big proponent yeah, and again I have
Speaker 1: been for a long time saying, you know, I wish
Speaker 1: we would mic the golf backs on tour and how
Speaker 1: many times you could flip that thing on and listen
Speaker 1: to a caddy talk to the player and what was
Speaker 1: going on and how it was going on.
Speaker 2: And then my lef.
Speaker 1: You know, at Augusta you can watch every shot of
Speaker 1: every player online. You can watch I can watch Lucas
Speaker 1: hit every shot. I don't know what that technology technology cost.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he calls. It's played at the
Speaker 1: same place every year. It's easier, But can you imagine
Speaker 1: being able to watch a golfer. You want to watch
Speaker 1: Lucas Glover. I paid three to ninety nine a month
Speaker 1: to be able to watch him play every shot he
Speaker 1: wants to play. Listen to him and his caddy talk.
Speaker 1: Listen to get into the game. You know, I still listen.
Speaker 1: I pay to listen to NASCAR. I don't watch much
Speaker 1: Nascar anymore. I don't have the time, but I will
Speaker 1: if i'm I will listen to a race because I
Speaker 1: can hear the driver and the crew chief talking and
Speaker 1: that's really exciting to me. Listen to what's going on.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how many people they want. Is
Speaker 1: it five million people that had the PGA tour out?
Speaker 1: How many people would pay three ninety nine or five
Speaker 1: ninety nine a month to be able to watch their
Speaker 1: favorite player and you can watch it? You know I would.
Speaker 1: I mean that's what I do with the masters. If
Speaker 1: I'm watching online, I'm watching my guys play. I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to see what they're doing. It's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: But to be able to hear them talking, understand what
Speaker 1: they're going through when they're on number twelve trying to
Speaker 1: figure out the wind. You know, we had Lucas. Lucas
Speaker 1: was you know, he's really close to the lead that
Speaker 1: the players on Saturday and on number seventeen, I got
Speaker 1: the hit it in the water. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know this. He hit it short to hit back
Speaker 1: in the water. But after the round I got to
Speaker 1: talk to the caddy and I said, hey, what was
Speaker 1: going on there? And he goes, well, we had a
Speaker 1: we only had about a five or six foot place
Speaker 1: to hit it without hitting in the water. If you
Speaker 1: hit it on the top shelf, that's going over the
Speaker 1: water as the kid that playing it wheels out of
Speaker 1: the tourist, I think it was hit it on top
Speaker 1: of the shelf. It went long, Lucas went short, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what was going on? Said well, we knew
Speaker 1: our max was a fifty six when knew this, and
Speaker 1: we hit it. Lucas hit it perfect and that was
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And then I said, well look at
Speaker 1: the shot link what happened and his apex of the
Speaker 1: flight was eighty one feet and it didn't get above
Speaker 1: the grand stands behind him to fill the wind, so
Speaker 1: it never got to fill the wind and people and
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds kooky, but that's you know. So
Speaker 1: the caddy and Lucas had that one sixteen to one
Speaker 1: twenty shot that he had to hit down wind. That's
Speaker 1: a fifty six. This is what we're going to do.
Speaker 1: And he hit it and it comes up short turns out.
Speaker 1: If it had been nine feet higher, it would have
Speaker 1: probably landed on the right spot. But those grand stands
Speaker 1: blocked the wind. Now excuse says, well, just what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But that's fun stuff to know. I mean, you're going
Speaker 1: absolutely you know, I'm watching the stats of that. How
Speaker 1: cool were the men to pop up? And that stats
Speaker 1: show that his ball apex at eighty one feet and
Speaker 1: it actually didn't catch the wind that they were seeing
Speaker 1: on the green, and that to me is fun stuff.
Speaker 1: He didn't miss it, he didn't. And then Wills Alataurus
Speaker 1: hits it what fifteen more feet or yards and his
Speaker 1: goes into water over said, there was just the greens
Speaker 1: were firm. There was just so little room for air.
Speaker 1: And what we also did was went and found one
Speaker 1: of the best shots hit that day. I think it
Speaker 1: was a kid, Davis Thompson, and he hit the same
Speaker 1: club a couple mile an hour faster than Lucas, but
Speaker 1: he hit it fourteen feet higher. And he hit it
Speaker 1: ten feet and so we can go find the best shot.
Speaker 1: What were the perfect parameters of that to hit that
Speaker 1: shot and those things that are going on. That would
Speaker 1: be I think for fans that really cool to understand
Speaker 1: what's going on. And we got the Tampa the next week,
Speaker 1: and obviously his fifty six was apex at eighty one
Speaker 1: feet and they were talking about do we get a
Speaker 1: different shaft to launch it higher? Do we these things?
Speaker 1: And Lucas just turned around and says, so what you're saying,
Speaker 1: you want me to hit it higher? I'll just hit
Speaker 1: it higher. How about that? You know? But yeah, So
Speaker 1: that to me is how do we capture the golf
Speaker 1: fan back. Give them something they've never seen before, give
Speaker 1: them inside track. I mean, who would not want to
Speaker 1: listen to Jordan Spieth and his caddy every shot? I
Speaker 1: mean the thing you can see it going on. You
Speaker 1: can't hear them, but you I mean they're going over
Speaker 1: some stuff. Or Bryson Dcembau and his caddy. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine talking about the atmospheric pressure and the stuff that
Speaker 1: they probably talk about. So, but you know, I'd said
Speaker 1: on another show, I say, you know, there's an Einstein
Speaker 1: quote that says no problem can be solved from the
Speaker 1: same level it was created, and I think that's what's
Speaker 1: happening right now. So I think both all the league,
Speaker 1: all of professional golf has got to come up with
Speaker 1: a different level to solve this problem. And I think
Speaker 1: winning the golf fan back should be first and foremost
Speaker 1: of the priority.
Speaker 2: Again, one of my favorite parts of TGL was the
Speaker 2: hot mic situations or hot like segments where you got
Speaker 2: to listen to these guys discuss their strategy and again
Speaker 2: personality golf, team golf where you know you're not playing
Speaker 2: against each other, you're playing as a team against another team,
Speaker 2: but getting to hear them like that's one of the
Speaker 2: things that I love about when when Bryson had Phil
Speaker 2: Michelson on or anytime Phil Michelson's on YouTube, he's fascinating. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just fat, he's so interesting, and he's he's so
Speaker 2: smart about his golf that you can learn so much
Speaker 2: from it and it's just so much fun.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, team golf out there is usually the player in
Speaker 1: the caddy. The caddy, you know, I always you know,
Speaker 1: my theory on the caddy is, you know, people talk
Speaker 1: about this and that, and so we'll just imagine whatever
Speaker 1: pitcher Adam Waynwright or Tom Siever without a good catcher.
Speaker 1: And I called the caddy the catcher that's helping call
Speaker 1: the call the pitches, and that's the team. When they're
Speaker 1: playing individual golf, it's essentially him and the caddy are
Speaker 1: teaming up to figure out what we're going to do,
Speaker 1: what pitch we throw in, what are we going to
Speaker 1: buil here? And it's the one thing is the difference
Speaker 1: is they can do it and then and then hit
Speaker 1: the shot that mirrors what they're trying to do. Most
Speaker 1: of us, most of us camp, but to watch these
Speaker 1: guys actually tell you where they're going to land the
Speaker 1: golf ball. Lucas hit a shot. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw on the first day he shot sixty six.
Speaker 1: I think it was six hundred. He shot players on
Speaker 1: eighteen and the pin was left front and Lucas hit
Speaker 1: it probably twenty five feet right of there, a little long,
Speaker 1: and then of course rolls back to what five feet
Speaker 1: And I asked Tommy, the caddy has said, I said,
Speaker 1: he hit his number there. He goes exactly where he
Speaker 1: said he was going to hit it exactly and I
Speaker 1: was like, and it gives you chills, Like that's what
Speaker 1: we said, We're going to hit it right there, and
Speaker 1: he did it and he goes and I meant, man,
Speaker 1: it give me chills. He goes me too. It's just
Speaker 1: but it goes back to how good these guys are,
Speaker 1: how precise they are with their yardages, how far they
Speaker 1: know they hit it, the how the most amazing things
Speaker 1: they can do. And I wish we could bring it
Speaker 1: out and show you they're trying to do these things.
Speaker 1: Now obviously it's golf, they're not pulling it off all
Speaker 1: the time, but incredible, you're trying to hit this shot
Speaker 1: like this is a shot you're going to hit, and
Speaker 1: how they go about it and how they and then
Speaker 1: they do it all right, and they do it. So
Speaker 1: that's what I think we need to do. That's what's
Speaker 1: been interesting.
Speaker 2: That was part of the interesting element of TGL is
Speaker 2: these guys now playing simulator golf. They're playing indoor golf,
Speaker 2: so their shots weren't doing exactly what they expected them to.
Speaker 2: And there were a lot of shots that just were like,
Speaker 2: how did that happen? You can see it in their face. Well,
Speaker 2: you're hitting from a flat lie always there's no win
Speaker 2: to work with. You just got to get the line
Speaker 2: right and stuff, and the yardage may or may not
Speaker 2: work some of the times.
Speaker 1: He's missing some shot. I think everyone, I think, especially
Speaker 1: web shots. When you see a guy hit a web
Speaker 1: shot and it's four yards too short or too long,
Speaker 1: it didn't pick it up right because they don't get that.
Speaker 1: They don't know I mean they have to they have
Speaker 1: to miss a golf shot. I mean they're more in
Speaker 1: the two and three feet from one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five yards than four or five yards, And so you
Speaker 1: see guys hit a shot that they just there's just
Speaker 1: they don't that's out of their league to hit it.
Speaker 1: That difference and they're the distance difference is not there.
Speaker 1: So but again I think the technology again will catch
Speaker 1: up with that. And again I'm not saying that maybe
Speaker 1: they did hit flyers, but I just watched some of them.
Speaker 1: They're just they're they're too far off.
Speaker 2: But as somebody who as an average golfer, I kind
Speaker 2: of loved it. It's like, oh, you can screw up too,
Speaker 2: that's awesome. How do you deal with it? You know,
Speaker 2: you could see in their face they would hit the shot,
Speaker 2: and they would look at their team and was like,
Speaker 2: what what just happened?
Speaker 1: What just And I when Lucas did his test match there,
Speaker 1: when he did his first first time in the thing,
Speaker 1: I got to go with him and all of it
Speaker 1: was playing kind of and then he hit a wed shot.
Speaker 1: I forget the number, but it went quite a bit
Speaker 1: further and he looked at me and he looked at
Speaker 1: the guy and he goes, you hit that, and he goes, now,
Speaker 1: I hit it one twenty I'll say one twenty seven.
Speaker 1: He goes, now I hit it one twenty seven and
Speaker 1: it flew one thirty two. That's something wrong. And the
Speaker 1: guy looked at me. He goes, is he serious? I said, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's serious. He knows exactly how far he hit it.
Speaker 1: And all of them do. That's what makes them so great.
Speaker 1: And they don't need a machine to tell them they know.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what's pretty scary. But I think it'll
Speaker 1: the technology wouldn't prove like and everything else, and you're
Speaker 1: going to have mistakes. But this is another thing about golf.
Speaker 1: I tell people, have you know, I play golf with
Speaker 1: people and they hit a bad shot and I'm like,
Speaker 1: they think Tour players don't hit those because TV never
Speaker 1: shows you those shots. If they if you could watch
Speaker 1: every player play every shot, you would see some pretty
Speaker 1: god awful shots. We were talking about the Players Championship
Speaker 1: in the eighteenth hold how difficult it is, and it
Speaker 1: is right Cam Smith, Just Smith, Yeah, the kid Cam Smith.
Speaker 1: The year Cam Smith won that golf tournament, he hit
Speaker 1: it in the water three of the four days on
Speaker 1: that whole Wow. And people don't And I tell people that,
Speaker 1: well you know why he couldn't hit that many bad
Speaker 1: shots and win. They go, yeah, they can, they do that,
Speaker 1: they hit bad shots.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: I think when Tiger won by fifteen in the two
Speaker 1: thousand and US Open, I think he made a triple
Speaker 1: on the second hole. If I'm not mistaken, it happens.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think that would help too, to
Speaker 1: see that. I don't need to see every great golf shot.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think people do want to see the
Speaker 1: best players in the world hit one that just go sideways,
Speaker 1: you know, just oh, and it does. Oh I've seen.
Speaker 1: I don't know if every client has hit the top
Speaker 1: most of them have hit a shank, most of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a hard game. I mean I wish
Speaker 1: people knew how difficult it was. And so when you
Speaker 1: see these guys on when they are on, it is
Speaker 1: the magical thing that they can do what they're doing,
Speaker 1: I mean, and nothing that probably we experienced much in
Speaker 1: our life. But first of all, well, we never visualize
Speaker 1: what we're going to do that much like they are
Speaker 1: visualizing the shot they're going to hit every one of them.
Speaker 1: So we probably don't do that much. But when we do,
Speaker 1: how rare it is to pull it off almost exactly
Speaker 1: how it looked. And most amateurs I see them do
Speaker 1: it just when they've got to hit over a tree
Speaker 1: or under a tree, and they're only visualizing that part
Speaker 1: of the shot, which makes them let go of the results.
Speaker 1: And then they hit this great shot over the trees
Speaker 1: where they were just trying to get it over the tree,
Speaker 1: which is kind of part of it right once it
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's there's a lot of things we
Speaker 1: can do to make this get improved, this product, and
Speaker 1: it's not knocking the old product. It just means, man,
Speaker 1: it's time to move on like it's.
Speaker 2: Time because you've got it. You've got a different audience.
Speaker 2: It's not for everybody, but it could be for a
Speaker 2: lot different a different audience and a younger audience. Great,
Speaker 2: what do you think the long I mean, let's let's
Speaker 2: pretend that TGL is long term and it carries itself
Speaker 2: and continues to grow. What do you think the impact
Speaker 2: on simulator and indoor golf is going to be in
Speaker 2: the long run for you know, like indoor golf leagues,
Speaker 2: indoor golf venues all over the country. Do you think
Speaker 2: there's going to be an impact there? I think so.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, you know, in Sun Valley, Idaho,
Speaker 1: where I've spent a lot of the winter, Sun Valley
Speaker 1: has an indoor they have indoor simulators obviously for snowing
Speaker 1: out there, and they have they have an indoor simulator
Speaker 1: league already. My nephew lives out there. He plays on
Speaker 1: the team, you know, And so yeah, I think you're
Speaker 1: going to see more and more of that, especially in
Speaker 1: climates that's not like this climate where we can play
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven almost here, but up in the Northeast,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's or you know, up in the Midwest,
Speaker 1: and you imagine like Thursday nights golf league and here
Speaker 1: we go, We're going to go play it you know,
Speaker 1: it replaced the gin game, you know, probably in.
Speaker 2: Clubs and bowling, and could replace bowling. And that's why
Speaker 2: I think I think venues could open up with six
Speaker 2: bowling alleys, four simulator screens, a bar, a restaurant, a
Speaker 2: concert little you know, like Friday night concerts. Yeah, put
Speaker 2: in ping pong tables too, while you're at it. You
Speaker 2: know that's not going to corner space.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I agree, and you said
Speaker 1: it very earlier. Is GoF as a whole is an
Speaker 1: entertainment package. It is a competition, but it's still entertainment,
Speaker 1: and I think we lose sight of that. So I
Speaker 1: saw Patent Gazarre, dear friend, he lives here, places here,
Speaker 1: had a little rough day and he punted his putter,
Speaker 1: you know, and if you've ever played golf, you've either
Speaker 1: punted a putter or wanted to write. And just one
Speaker 1: of the best guys you ever meet. And he came
Speaker 1: out with an apology. And I was telling somebody, so
Speaker 1: what do you think about that? And I said, well,
Speaker 1: the only thing you should apologize about is that he
Speaker 1: probably could have kicked that pudder for their feet to try,
Speaker 1: and he didn't need to apologize for that. That is,
Speaker 1: if you haven't played this game for a living or
Speaker 1: played period period, you're going to do that. And that's personality. Look,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to condone kids punting. Everybody's well,
Speaker 1: kids will know pump putters, Well, they're going to punnelm anyhow,
Speaker 1: you know what, we might as well. But I think
Speaker 1: that the personalities and being authentic to who you are
Speaker 1: out there instead of trying to fit a mold, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're going to see eruptions of anger. You're
Speaker 1: going to see these things because this, I mean, these
Speaker 1: guys are playing for their living. People don't realize when
Speaker 1: they miss butts. It's it's a lot different than us,
Speaker 1: even though I think most of the club golfers here
Speaker 1: react the same way when they miss butts, but this
Speaker 1: is their lives. So yeah, I would love to just
Speaker 1: take the you know, take the training wheels off these
Speaker 1: guys and say, listen, this is entertainment. I mean I
Speaker 1: even saw Patrick Cantley get emotional. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's fun because this guy means dang good golfer obviously,
Speaker 1: and he looks pretty stoic most of the times. But
Speaker 1: it was fun to see him kind of like a smile.
Speaker 1: And you know, and remember when Tiger made that putt
Speaker 1: when he was Kevin Naw when he walked, you know,
Speaker 1: he got it out of the hole, was reaching in
Speaker 1: and he copied him on the seventeenth toe. And when
Speaker 1: Tiger did it, the laugh that Tiger had that was real.
Speaker 1: That was authentic laughter. And that's what this game is.
Speaker 1: I mean, even though they're in all that stress, I'd
Speaker 1: like to tell these guys, listen, let it go. Man,
Speaker 1: be who you are and let's see what you got.
Speaker 2: When you put the highlight reel together of the first
Speaker 2: season of TGL, you're gonna show pictures of Tiger not
Speaker 2: only screwing up, but laughing so hard he's doubled over again,
Speaker 2: bringing a back, bringing out and even finding guys like Horshel,
Speaker 2: like Tom don Kim, guys who have big personalities, right,
Speaker 2: are great for television.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: You look at Can'tley and like, come on, dude, give
Speaker 2: me something here.
Speaker 1: I know it's I mean, I mean, that's who they are.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't you know that's who they they are,
Speaker 1: But they're but somewhere in there is is somebody's going
Speaker 1: to laugh, somebody's going to be mad. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: but again, I think it's gotten to where I mean
Speaker 1: in the sense of they're all trying to fit in
Speaker 1: this mold of how much time. I think that's what
Speaker 1: goth is taking so long to play as well. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like this this, and I mean these guys are
Speaker 1: I mean, they are good enough at golf to play faster,
Speaker 1: and they all need to understand that this is an
Speaker 1: entertainment package. And those people watching, those fans are their bosses.
Speaker 1: That's who they're that's who's paying their salaries. And these
Speaker 1: corporations that are putting all this money up there their bosses.
Speaker 1: So give them something, you know, spend a little extra
Speaker 1: time with with you know, with these companies. I've always
Speaker 1: said that, you know, I've always kind of mean, you know,
Speaker 1: these players, they play, but you know, go spend a
Speaker 1: couple they spend thirty minutes in the Wells Fargo tent.
Speaker 1: Go around and introduce yourself and say thanks for coming
Speaker 1: out and be a part of this thing. And you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of it doesn't happen anymore. I know, the
Speaker 1: tour tries to do a good job of that, but
Speaker 1: you know, I always say, these fans that are in
Speaker 1: your way and talking in your back swing, they're your bosses.
Speaker 1: Everyone's give you this opportunity to play god, because if
Speaker 1: they're not here, you're not playing for a lot of money,
Speaker 1: I can promise you. Right, But again, it's the whole inn.
Speaker 1: These guys understand that, look you are, you're you're more
Speaker 1: of an entertainer than you're an athlete out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you don't believe it, John Day Lee Trevino, I mean,
Speaker 1: and again, and mister Nicholas was never animated, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: but he had Sevy and me. You know, like I say,
Speaker 1: there's it's okay to have a straight man. Somebody can
Speaker 1: be dull, but I mean you've got to have Sergio
Speaker 1: losing his mind. I mean, you got to have this happening.
Speaker 1: And and again Patrick.
Speaker 2: Johnny Carson, right absolutely, And.
Speaker 1: I've always you know, Patrick reed people Gosh, I can't
Speaker 1: believe any people say now good things. I said, Well,
Speaker 1: you haven't mad him. He is a nice kid. He's
Speaker 1: a nice guy. I mean, but when he's competing, he
Speaker 1: competes different than other people. But we need him too.
Speaker 1: I mean some I don't want to say this in
Speaker 1: a bad way. But he's kind of like a villain.
Speaker 1: And and you know he could win this Masters as
Speaker 1: easy as anybody. He's playing good golf again, right, And
Speaker 1: so people hate this guy like that guy, And I said, great,
Speaker 1: hate them like them. I don't care, right, exactly, I've
Speaker 1: had exactly except for Davis Love, I've had clients. I've had.
Speaker 1: Most of my clients have people that don't like them
Speaker 1: when people like them. Everybody like Davis. So, but we
Speaker 1: need that, we need we need more of that. And
Speaker 1: the only way to really do it is to be
Speaker 1: able to watch them hit every shot, not just when
Speaker 1: they hit a great shot, but put that camera on
Speaker 1: these guys and watch where they hit it. But see
Speaker 1: they're not scared to hit a bad shot because they
Speaker 1: know what to do when that happens. They're not concerned
Speaker 1: about their short game making being able to fix them.
Speaker 1: I had a client, I said, what's He says, what's
Speaker 1: going on with me? And I said, you're hitting too
Speaker 1: many good golf shots? And he said, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1: I said, you're not hitting any great ones because you're
Speaker 1: so protecting hitting bad shots that you're not hitting great ones.
Speaker 1: I said, the great players. They try to hit the
Speaker 1: great shot, and when they miss it, they know what
Speaker 1: to do to save themselves. And they're not mad at
Speaker 1: the miss. They knew they were taking a chance. So
Speaker 1: it's those kind of things that you keep I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys are how many greens did they hit on average?
Speaker 1: Was it fourteen thirteen? So they're missing four and five
Speaker 1: greens around. I mean it's a rule as a rule, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we think they're perfect.
Speaker 2: Well listen, Bud, I know how busy you are. I
Speaker 2: know what a hectic week this must have been for you,
Speaker 2: and you've got one coming up in two weeks with
Speaker 2: the Masters, and so I truly appreciate you making time
Speaker 2: to just take a conversation with me here, because beyond
Speaker 2: just talking about golf, I love talking with you about
Speaker 2: the business of golf. Yeah, that's really what I find
Speaker 2: the most fascinating.
Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you much. Oh my pleasure. And
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed to tell you that I'm busy. There are
Speaker 1: people that work much harder in their lives. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll be in drel next week working, and then I'll
Speaker 1: be in Augusta working, and then I'll be in Hilton
Speaker 1: Head working and people. I don't anybody think that I'm illusing,
Speaker 1: that I'm not having the best time of my life.
Speaker 1: I just I have to like I'm trying a little
Speaker 1: bit so they don't think I'm not doing anything. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so's it's busy, but man, it's a fun busy. This
Speaker 1: is the best time of the year. And baseball starts today.
Speaker 1: Final four is coming up. I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: kick off the fun for me.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, it's awesome. But well, Mac, I again,
Speaker 2: I truly appreciate your time and your friendship and maybe,
Speaker 2: just maybe we'll bump into each other in Atlanta or
Speaker 2: in Augusta when I get to my inaugural first time
Speaker 2: going and maybe my only time, but I get to
Speaker 2: check it off the list.
Speaker 1: I'm going to the mass What a place. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's nothing. I mean, I see every golf course in
Speaker 1: the world. But buddy, everybody in our business, the players,
Speaker 1: the teachers, the trainers, the masters, is a big week.
Speaker 1: I mean it is. I mean there's no one not
Speaker 1: giddy that week. I mean, they let us on the grounds,
Speaker 1: you know, they allow me to be, you know, to
Speaker 1: be a part of it, and you know, there's so
Speaker 1: many people that's never even got to go. I think
Speaker 1: this is my thirty third Masters or something wild, and
Speaker 1: you know, and and it feels like the first one.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you when you get that little piece
Speaker 1: of paper that invites you to come. It's a pretty
Speaker 1: cool day really, So I don't anybody think I'm killing myself.
Speaker 1: It's it's fun.