WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:06.000 Hi, I'm Damian Othello from Dublin, Ireland, and I play 2 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:09.160 at Roganstown Country Club in North County, Dublin. Welcome to 3 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:10.800 Golf Murder, episode number. 4 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:11.960 Nine hundred and ninety three. 5 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:14.439 I have been saying I wish we would mic the 6 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:17.280 golf bags on tour. How many times you could flip 7 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:19.039 that thing on and listen to a caddy talk to 8 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:20.800 the player of what was going on and how it 9 00:00:20.839 --> 00:00:23.519 was going on. And at Augusta you can watch every 10 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:26.199 shot of every player online. I don't know what that 11 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.839 technology cost. I don't know it. Because it's played at 12 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.280 the same place every year, it's easier. But can you 13 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:35.359 imagine being able to watch a golfer listen to him 14 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:38.119 and his caddy talk. I pay to listen to Nascar. 15 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:41.000 I don't watch much NASCAR anymore, but I will listen 16 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:43.039 to a race, but I can hear the driver and 17 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:45.719 the crew chiep talking and that's really exciting to me, 18 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:48.039 listen to what's going on. How many people would pay 19 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:50.240 three ninety nine or five ninety nine a month to 20 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:52.560 be able to watch their favorite player? I would. I mean, 21 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:54.320 that's what I do with the Masters. If I'm watching 22 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:59.759 a line I'm watching my guys play. 23 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:05.239 Atlanta wins TGL and we go inside the celebration ropes 24 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:10.040 with Lucas Glover's agent Mac Barnhardt. This is Golf Smarter, 25 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:14.840 sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf mindes to 26 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:17.879 help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. 27 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:22.799 Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf 28 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:24.040 Smarter Podcast. Mac. 29 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:26.920 Thanks Fred, great to be here. Buddy. 30 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:29.079 Well, you know, we were on a couple of weeks ago. 31 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:31.959 We had a blast. But I was watching TV the 32 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:37.359 other night, watching the TGL finals ye and looking into 33 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:41.319 the owner's box of Atlanta and there's Lucas Club. Wait 34 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:44.159 a minute, sitting next to Lucas's Mac. Mac. 35 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:45.719 I'm waving at you. 36 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.840 I'm screaming. My son is in town. We're sitting there watching. 37 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.400 I'm like, there's Mac. There's a book. I macked it up. 38 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:57.760 I show him Mac. And so, first of all, congratulations 39 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:01.000 on being part of the championship team. The Atlanta team 40 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.480 wins TGL for the inaugural year. 41 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:05.159 Really cool, Yep. 42 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:06.079 It's pretty exciting. 43 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:09.120 Yeah. I mean, look, it's brand new to me. I mean, 44 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:11.360 you know, I played a wooden driver for a long time. 45 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:13.680 I get it. This is a new concept, but you know, 46 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:15.879 I think it'll catch on. I mean, if you come 47 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.960 to the event, and it's hard not to get wrapped 48 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.360 up into the excitement. And you know, it was fun 49 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.319 watching Lucas cheerybody owned his teammates and you know, and 50 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:26.520 you know, we got to set with mister Blank, who 51 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:30.120 owns the team and who's just a wonderful guy, and uh, 52 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:32.120 you know, and obviously winning and then he had a 53 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:36.319 whole really post you know, post match celebration like you 54 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:39.280 would if any other championship team. If his Falcons win 55 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:41.039 the Super Bowl, I'm sure it'll be like that. But 56 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:43.479 it was really cool. It's really neat that. And the 57 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:46.319 really neat thing is is, look, all your friends and family, 58 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:48.439 they're welcome to come. Please bring them in. And they 59 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:51.400 gave out T shirts and hats and and it was 60 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:52.120 pretty special. 61 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:56.360 I'm still sporting my Bay Club team, I understand, and 62 00:02:56.439 --> 00:03:01.120 I'm wearing my my windbreaker here and I'm sorry that 63 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:03.000 they didn't. You know, they had such a fast start 64 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:05.199 and they're looking so good. I'm like, oh, we're going 65 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:07.639 to make the playoffs, and then it just kind of 66 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:11.360 fell apart. I'll tell you it's Atlanta was just the opposite. 67 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:14.479 Uh yeah, I mean, think about it. I mean, Lucas 68 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:18.960 probably statistically is playing better than any other teammates. So 69 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:22.520 I mean, I don't think anybody had a chance with 70 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.639 those four guys. They could have just thrown their names 71 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:26.120 in a hat and they were all just they're all 72 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:28.280 playing really good golf, and they're all excited about it, 73 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:30.360 and they're you know, they're passionate about it, and so 74 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:32.439 I don't know if that's why they won. I mean, 75 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:35.800 obviously it's golf, but you can see the excitement in it, 76 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:37.719 and people think, you know, how much money they want. 77 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:39.599 None of them were thinking that they want to beat you. 78 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.000 They want to win, and it's fun to watch. 79 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.280 The purse wasn't bad. I mean, I know they're splitting 80 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:48.120 it as a team. Hopefully they're splitting it evenly as 81 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:51.560 a team, all four of them, but still it was 82 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:52.960 a it was a healthy purse. 83 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:57.840 Oh my right o. Yep, yep. I think that's what 84 00:03:57.879 --> 00:03:59.400 they say. It's a pretty nice week. 85 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.360 But I want to know what was the buzz in 86 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:06.800 the building while that championship match was happened. The final 87 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:08.960 championship match on Tuesday. 88 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.400 And it was real. It was real. I mean it was. 89 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.800 Sporting events to be able to gauge. 90 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:17.759 Absolutely, you know, it's it's hard to I mean, yes, 91 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:19.600 the people there are really having a good time and 92 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:22.160 they're into it, and the players are into it. They're 93 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:24.959 not kidding around. I mean, you know, they're a competitive 94 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:27.720 and Lucas is kind of yelling at Billy horsehow about stuff. 95 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:29.319 You know, it's like what you would see in a 96 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.040 team concept. And I tell people, if you go back 97 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:34.480 and look at the Ryder Cup from the nineteen eighties, 98 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:38.079 go watch film. You know of the nineteen eighties Ryder Cup. 99 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:40.839 They weren't sold out, There wasn't there was massive crowds 100 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.360 until nineteen ninety one and what they call it the 101 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:46.959 War by the Sea or something like that in ninety one. 102 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:49.680 That's what kicked it off. And what's going to be 103 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:53.279 the thing that kicks tgl off. There'll be something a 104 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:56.040 watershed moment that people really will pay attention and they'll 105 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:58.279 come running in. The thing I like about it as 106 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:01.600 I think with the absence of Tiger on tour, we've 107 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:04.360 lost a lot of the sports fans that watched golf. 108 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:07.360 You know, Tiger brought into sports fans, and I think 109 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:11.800 it's important that we earn we earn our golf fans back. 110 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:13.480 I think a lot of golf fans have been turned 111 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.439 off us and things in the past few years, and 112 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:18.480 so we've got to real you know, we've got to 113 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.000 get these golf fans back involved. And I think this 114 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:23.759 and this may actually is seeing all the baseball players 115 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.040 and stuff there that night, you know, the other sports stars. 116 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.120 This may bring the other sports fans back into the game, 117 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.639 which may then push them to watch you know, other 118 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.079 pro goff events, right, And that's what I hope. But 119 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:38.720 I think we've got to earn I think we've got 120 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.319 to earn a lot of the golf fans back into 121 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:43.519 this game as well. It's just been so much talk 122 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.439 about money, and it's it's just in our business. It's 123 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:48.920 never talked about there is a moment that money comes in. 124 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:51.399 But you don't hear that ever about that putt was worth. 125 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:53.680 I think Lucas made a putt the finished third and 126 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:55.839 the players and people are telling me how much that 127 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:59.759 putt meant. I mean, Lucas didn't know. He didn't. He'll 128 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:01.959 find that later, But that wasn't the point, and everybody 129 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:04.240 needs to understand these guys are not playing the game 130 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:06.560 for money. I mean, they do earn a living doing it, 131 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:09.079 but that's not what they're They're playing to compete and 132 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:12.639 beat people. That's it's it's always been the crux. And 133 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:15.680 we just need to get talking about the money and 134 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:17.639 and let these sports fans know that these guys would 135 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:21.079 play for nothing. I mean they don't, but they want 136 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:24.720 to compete. So but I was, like I said, I'm 137 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:25.360 super excited. 138 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:30.160 You could see the energy. I mean, Billy horshchall was obvious. 139 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:35.920 Uh and it was so exciting and what and you 140 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:39.040 were part of that winning team, I mean being being 141 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:41.279 associated with Lucas. I mean you didn't get to pick 142 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:44.000 up a putter or luckily you didn't have to hit out. 143 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:46.279 You didn't have to hit out of one of those bunkers. 144 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.759 Thank god they didn't want be doing it. 145 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:52.759 But it has to be exciting to be part of 146 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:57.680 the inaugural winning team, even you know, loosely associated. 147 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:02.959 Loosely associally obviously asociated just by our conversations. I mean, 148 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:06.360 you can't repeat it. You know, I've known mister Blanks 149 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:08.959 for thirty some years, you know, just an incredible man. 150 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.639 To be somewhat associated with him winning a championship, you know, 151 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:17.160 is you know, you don't get those chances much in life, 152 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:18.720 and I feel honored to be a part of it. 153 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:21.399 I was on TV too much because of the hundreds 154 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:23.399 of texts I got telling me, you know, call me 155 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:25.079 ugly and one of my you know all that stuff, 156 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:27.160 and and I tell them, I said, you know, a 157 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:30.000 camera adds ten pounds. And unfortunately they had three cameras 158 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.879 on me the whole time. So but yeah, it was fun. 159 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:36.160 Like I say, I try not to be a part 160 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:38.319 of the show. That was a sign seating. I didn't 161 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:40.720 have a choice. That's where my name tag was and 162 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:43.600 I sat there. I knew I would be seen, you know. 163 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:46.319 I had one of our buddies, doctor David Murphy, our team, 164 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.439 one of our team surgeons, and he was there and 165 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:51.040 I told him, I said, no, look forewarned, you know, 166 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:54.319 don't pick your nose, don't do anything silly because they're 167 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:56.319 going to see you. So and I hope I didn't, 168 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:57.000 you know, but. 169 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:02.480 No, no, Well, well thank you for explaining why I 170 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:04.759 sent you a text the following morning and didn't hear 171 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:07.120 from you. For twenty four hours, which is like unlike 172 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:10.399 you at all. Yeah, it was, but I'm sure that 173 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:12.560 you being on TV like that, you're going to get 174 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:14.600 a lot of people reaching out. 175 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:17.759 Yeah, just you know, most of them were really fun 176 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:19.759 and you know, the stuff they were telling me was 177 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:21.720 quite funny, and I mean it's friends. I mean I 178 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:23.879 get it. And you know, again, I don't try to 179 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:26.079 ever be part of the show. I try to stay 180 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.199 away from that stuff if I can, I like behind 181 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.839 the scenes. But it was fun to be with Lucas 182 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:33.000 and experience with him, because you know, he was really pumped. 183 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.279 And tell me about that. How is Lucas doing watching it? 184 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:40.360 Watching about these guys want to play? 185 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.320 I'm not going to lie to you. He wanted to 186 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:44.919 He did not want to be I don't want to 187 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:47.360 say the proverbial bench. He did not. He wanted to 188 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:50.679 play and he and obviously these are competitive men. These 189 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:53.919 are not people out there they're showing off. This is 190 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:56.679 what they do. They compete. And yeah, so he there's 191 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:01.200 no question disappointed, But you can't argue with the fact 192 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.000 that they won the championship. And whoever put the team 193 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:05.919 out there may have known something that we didn't know. 194 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:08.000 I feel like Lucas would have been I think they'd 195 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:09.799 have won no matter what. I just think they're that 196 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:12.559 much better than the other teams. But yeah, I mean disappointed, 197 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:15.960 but not in a way of like, you know, screw it, 198 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.279 and he's like, no, I'll be there. I'm gonna support 199 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.879 my team. I believe it, and if they need me, 200 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:23.879 I'm ready to go. And he would have been ready 201 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:25.559 to go if they had lost that first match. I 202 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:29.559 believe he'd been pulled in, thank goodness, so we didn't 203 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:29.840 need it. 204 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.320 One of the things that I loved about watching TGL 205 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.639 is that it was more personality golf then you'll ever 206 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:40.320 see on the PGA Tour because everybody's on their own 207 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.399 island when they're playing on tour, competing against one another, 208 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.720 but watching them and listening to them, right, having every 209 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:54.200 guy miked and being part of a team. Just to me, 210 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.559 it just sucked you in. It brought you in, and 211 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:58.799 I kept trying to bug my friends, you got to 212 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.600 watch this, you gotta watch this, and I hope to 213 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:04.240 watch the last one because they really did save the 214 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:09.960 best for last that that game, that match I was 215 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:11.919 I said, I was watching it with my son and 216 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:14.039 I said, you know, as we were getting into the 217 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:17.720 fourteenth hole there and we're tied and it was super close, 218 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.919 and the hammer wasn't work and whatnot. It felt more 219 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:27.679 like a baseball game, a playoff baseball game, than it 220 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:30.759 did almost any other sport. I mean, look at the score, 221 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:34.000 four four, five five four, you know, five to four, 222 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:38.080 you know that kind of scoring, and little nuanced things 223 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:43.759 happened at work that didn't work. That felt like championship baseball, 224 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:46.000 like any other sport. 225 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.440 And you're talking about the hammer, you know, because Lucas 226 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.720 is like talking to him when they would come back over, 227 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:52.960 They're like talking about they had a little hand signals 228 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:54.559 for the hammer. You could see him like, and I 229 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.200 think Patrick Cantley maybe the I think he may be 230 00:10:57.399 --> 00:10:59.840 the real expert at the hammer, if not Lucas, and 231 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:03.879 I'm probably, but yeah, I mean as a whole new element. 232 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.159 And look, we've watched Ryder Cup. We see what team 233 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:08.480 golf looks like. We see these guys come alive and 234 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:10.960 team golf and you know, I'm going to say the 235 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.440 dirty word and live and I'm being funny. I love 236 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:16.919 liv Live golf is team event and I've been a 237 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.679 part of that through Andy Ogletree, and you're right. You see, 238 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.320 these guys have that team atmosphere is awesome. And that's 239 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.080 what I kept saying earlier is what is wrong with 240 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.240 some team golf? A So some team golf in this thing, 241 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:31.960 and both the PGA Tour and Live should be able 242 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:34.600 to live together and combine some of that stuff. It'd 243 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:38.000 be awesome. It'd be cool if they'd have a you know, 244 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:41.000 have a lived team show up. You know what if 245 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:42.399 they'd have had a live team show up, so well 246 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:44.360 next week, now they got to play these guys. I mean, 247 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.240 let's integrate these guys back in and maybe TJ I'll 248 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.559 give us that opportunity. 249 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:57.519 Well, you brought it up. I was going to but 250 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:02.360 since you already brought it up, you know, this seemed 251 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.799 to work. TGL seemed to work. It was a great 252 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.080 TV event. It was a made for TV event. And 253 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.519 as Barney Adams has said to us before, hey, the 254 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:15.440 PGA Tour is a television show, right, and this was 255 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:19.759 designed to be a two hour TV show with competition. 256 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.200 So it's like on an off sports night you get 257 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.720 to watch some sports. But so I have to think 258 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:29.879 that they're walking away from the end of this season 259 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:35.200 TGL and Tomorrow Sports walk away thinking this worked, We 260 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:42.240 succeeded absolutely absolutely. Why did TGL work versus Live doesn't 261 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:46.159 seem to have worked. I've never watched, never cared to 262 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:50.519 watch a live event. Is what do you what do 263 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:52.960 you in your seat? What do you think is the 264 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:53.679 difference or why? 265 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:58.519 One? Well, there was a lot of negative energy thrown 266 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.720 toward it, you know, to yeah, to try to lead 267 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:05.440 people from not watching it. I believe that. I mean, obviously, 268 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:09.720 I think there's organizations that did not want Live to succeed, sure, 269 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.759 and I think there's a lot of negative Second thing 270 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:15.240 is is I think they finally got to deal with 271 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:18.519 Fox TV, the Fox Networks, and now there's going to 272 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:20.519 be more exposure to be easier to watch. I think 273 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:24.600 some people had some difficulty finding the CW of whatever league. 274 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:29.480 I think some of that it's new, it's you know, 275 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:31.879 and again it's just there's a lot of people on 276 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:35.200 this island that are they're either anti live or pro live, 277 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:37.399 and it's the most ridiculous thing. It's you know, from 278 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:40.080 my point of view, it's GoF they're aren't and off 279 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:42.720 GoF opportunities for all the talent out there now much 280 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:46.840 less trying to limit another option. I think there's there's 281 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:51.000 room for several more tours and that much talent is 282 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:54.519 out there, so I whether live works or not, I 283 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:58.360 think it's again, GoF is a slow moving game. It 284 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:00.840 took a long time for people to quit wearing leather 285 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.519 bottomed shoes. I mean, you didn't you saw it forever. 286 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:06.960 They're not giving away the foot joy classics and still spikes, 287 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:10.320 you remember that it just metal drivers. It takes people time, 288 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.279 but once they lock into it, then it's fine. And 289 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:15.360 I go back to the Ryder Cup. After ninety one, 290 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:18.200 the Ryder Cup becomes a sold out event. They're selling 291 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.399 what's it, six hundred and fifty dollars a ticket in 292 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.080 New York for a day, and they're selling them faster 293 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:27.000 than they can print them. And it took a long 294 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:30.919 time for that competition to catch the eyes of the public. 295 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:33.320 And I think that's the same thing for Tgo, and 296 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:35.440 I think it'll be the same thing for Lyft. I mean, 297 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:38.919 there's an incredible amount of talent playing Lyft, and like 298 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:42.200 them or not or wherever, all the reasons, it's competitive golf. 299 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:45.240 And I'm going next week to Miami with Andy ogle 300 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.559 Tree to be there, and it's just just competitive. It's 301 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:52.320 no different. This guys are not they're not playing for money. 302 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.360 They are, they're earning money to play, but that's not 303 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:56.279 what they're playing for. They play to compete. These guys 304 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:59.519 are competitive people, and I think that's where we need 305 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:01.200 to get away from. I mean a lot of people 306 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:04.840 with inflation are having a hard time feeding their families 307 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:10.080 and just continuing to hear about these obscenes about some money, 308 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.559 and I think it wears on you. I think we 309 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:15.919 mentioned this one time. Derek Jeter was making what sixty 310 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:18.559 million a year, but they didn't announce his salary every 311 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:20.279 time he hit a home run. I mean it was 312 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:23.000 like they talked about earlier in the year and then 313 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:25.159 it was over. Now he's playing baseball, and I think 314 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:26.799 that's what we should do with golf. I mean, yeah, 315 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:29.559 there's money involved in it, but let's just get back 316 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:31.200 to these guys are trying to they want to win. 317 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:33.519 I mean it wasn't but Lucas is gonna get paid 318 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:35.320 whether or not he played or not. But they didn't. 319 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:38.240 He wanted to play, right, I mean, he's that's what 320 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:40.799 you know. And I think That's why they probably won. 321 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:43.440 Is those guys all wanted to play, you know, they 322 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.279 weren't just I mean I was I was really shocked 323 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:48.399 that Tiger and Roy didn't show up for the finals. 324 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:49.919 And if they were there, I didn't see them, but 325 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:52.840 I thought they would sound to come out, maybe to 326 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.480 staying with mister Blank and yeah, I thought that would 327 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:57.840 be it. And I don't know if it's because they 328 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:01.840 weren't playing and they didn't feel it, but I thought 329 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:02.879 there would be a lot. 330 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:05.080 More all the teams that should have been there. 331 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:07.279 I thought there'd be a lot. I mean, most of 332 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:08.960 those guys lived ten minutes in there. I thought there 333 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:10.639 would be a lot more support to come in and 334 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:13.799 support the league because it's important for it to succeed. 335 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:16.840 And I think Tiger and Rory, and I think Matthew 336 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:19.919 Fitzpatrick was there. I didn't run into him, but who 337 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:21.720 was you know, didn't play for their team. I think 338 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:24.360 it was Case, but he was there, Okay, we good. 339 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:26.799 I didn't say it, but he was on Team Bun. 340 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:31.200 I just thought that. I just thought that, I mean, 341 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:34.879 this thing working is good for everybody in golf and 342 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:37.519 everybody that could have been there on a Tuesday night, 343 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.759 didn't have anything to do, and it's fun, free drinks 344 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:43.440 and food. I mean, what more do you want? And 345 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:45.679 I just thought I thought that it might be a 346 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.720 bunch of tour players hanging out, come over and celebrate, 347 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:51.120 you know, when Davis's team won the US I mean 348 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:56.480 the Ryder Cup in twenty sixteen, Somewhere during the celebration party, 349 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:58.639 all the European team came over and hung out with 350 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:01.320 the American team and had drinks and Darren Clark did 351 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:03.840 a wonderful toast to the American team. And that's kind 352 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:05.599 of what I thought would happen. I thought that we'd 353 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:07.880 all come together they won. But here we all are, 354 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.680 and this is great for golf, and I kind of 355 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:14.079 made me squeamish a little bit to think that even 356 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:15.319 Tiger and Rory wouldn't be there. 357 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:19.559 M Well, one of the one of the early conversations 358 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:24.319 that we had in talking about talking about Live, you 359 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:29.240 made the comment about that the teams should have been 360 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:32.680 regional as opposed to just random names, because then it 361 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:36.119 makes it easier, makes it easier a for merchandising, but 362 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:39.480 be for people to latch onto it, like here I 363 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:44.319 am wearing clothes from the Bay team. I think that 364 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:49.319 I think that that really worked for TGL, having the 365 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:54.319 teams being regional. You know. I mean I got the 366 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:58.799 new Lab golf putter, the one designed by Adam Scott, 367 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:02.000 and I didn't realize that I got it in Green 368 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:05.000 and he's playing for Boston. So it's like, oh, this 369 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:08.519 is perfect type the Adams Scott pletter and Green because 370 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:10.559 he's playing for Boston on TGL. 371 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:16.039 But that's it exactly. Well, Yeah, yeah, I like I said, 372 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:18.640 I again, I'm trying not to. I have my own 373 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:21.039 ideas and I've told somebody I may be dead wrong, 374 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.359 but only have the ideas based on thirty four years 375 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:27.519 in his business. And yeah, I think regional teams would 376 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:30.400 have been an amazing thing. I've made the suggestion and 377 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:33.160 the end I trust what they're doing. These are there's 378 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:35.680 good guys and they're smart guys too. You know, why 379 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:38.759 not have six players on the team like TGL, so 380 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:42.480 that every player doesn't necessarily have to play every event. 381 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:45.079 If TGL wants fourteen I mean, if I live wants 382 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.640 fourteen events, and you could have let's I pretend let's 383 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.519 let's pretend that we have an Iron Irish team, the 384 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:55.480 Ireland team from Ireland, and you got Rory and Shane, 385 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:58.519 and you don't have to be from Ireland, but some 386 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:02.000 aspects of it. And if they had six then Rory 387 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:05.000 could play four team events a year and still play 388 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.839 his major schedule and then play his other tour schedule 389 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:11.279 and his other DP World Tour schedule and not overplay. 390 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:14.599 But the team would get the same amount of exposure 391 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:16.960 because you'd still be I mean, I wonder if they 392 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:18.839 had a Dare matter, if they had to live event 393 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:21.519 and Shane and Rory were on the team, how many 394 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:24.279 people would show up in jerseys kind of like going 395 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:26.079 to the Super Bowl and seeing the Eagles and the 396 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.559 whoever they played, the Chiefs jerseys. Sorry but I forgot 397 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:34.240 they just keep putting. But yeah, but it's like the 398 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:40.000 licensing opportunities of merchandising. And if you had a team 399 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.519 for Texas and a team from here, you know, Frederica 400 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:45.519 or there where people could latch onto it, want to 401 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.720