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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Damian Othello from Dublin, Ireland, and I play

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at Roganstown Country Club in North County, Dublin. Welcome to

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Golf Murder, episode number.

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Speaker 2: Nine hundred and ninety three.

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Speaker 1: I have been saying I wish we would mic the

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golf bags on tour. How many times you could flip

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that thing on and listen to a caddy talk to

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the player of what was going on and how it

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was going on. And at Augusta you can watch every

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shot of every player online. I don't know what that

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technology cost. I don't know it. Because it's played at

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the same place every year, it's easier. But can you

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imagine being able to watch a golfer listen to him

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and his caddy talk. I pay to listen to Nascar.

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I don't watch much NASCAR anymore, but I will listen

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to a race, but I can hear the driver and

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the crew chiep talking and that's really exciting to me,

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listen to what's going on. How many people would pay

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three ninety nine or five ninety nine a month to

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be able to watch their favorite player? I would. I mean,

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that's what I do with the Masters. If I'm watching

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a line I'm watching my guys play.

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Speaker 2: Atlanta wins TGL and we go inside the celebration ropes

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with Lucas Glover's agent Mac Barnhardt. This is Golf Smarter,

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sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf mindes to

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help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf

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Smarter Podcast. Mac.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Fred, great to be here. Buddy.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we were on a couple of weeks ago.

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We had a blast. But I was watching TV the

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other night, watching the TGL finals ye and looking into

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the owner's box of Atlanta and there's Lucas Club. Wait

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a minute, sitting next to Lucas's Mac. Mac.

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Speaker 1: I'm waving at you.

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Speaker 2: I'm screaming. My son is in town. We're sitting there watching.

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I'm like, there's Mac. There's a book. I macked it up.

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I show him Mac. And so, first of all, congratulations

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on being part of the championship team. The Atlanta team

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wins TGL for the inaugural year.

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Speaker 1: Really cool, Yep.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty exciting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, it's brand new to me. I mean,

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you know, I played a wooden driver for a long time.

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I get it. This is a new concept, but you know,

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I think it'll catch on. I mean, if you come

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to the event, and it's hard not to get wrapped

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up into the excitement. And you know, it was fun

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watching Lucas cheerybody owned his teammates and you know, and

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you know, we got to set with mister Blank, who

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owns the team and who's just a wonderful guy, and uh,

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you know, and obviously winning and then he had a

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whole really post you know, post match celebration like you

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would if any other championship team. If his Falcons win

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the Super Bowl, I'm sure it'll be like that. But

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it was really cool. It's really neat that. And the

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really neat thing is is, look, all your friends and family,

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they're welcome to come. Please bring them in. And they

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gave out T shirts and hats and and it was

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pretty special.

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Speaker 2: I'm still sporting my Bay Club team, I understand, and

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I'm wearing my my windbreaker here and I'm sorry that

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they didn't. You know, they had such a fast start

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and they're looking so good. I'm like, oh, we're going

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to make the playoffs, and then it just kind of

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fell apart. I'll tell you it's Atlanta was just the opposite.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean, think about it. I mean, Lucas

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probably statistically is playing better than any other teammates. So

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I mean, I don't think anybody had a chance with

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those four guys. They could have just thrown their names

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in a hat and they were all just they're all

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playing really good golf, and they're all excited about it,

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and they're you know, they're passionate about it, and so

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obviously it's golf, but you can see the excitement in it,

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and people think, you know, how much money they want.

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None of them were thinking that they want to beat you.

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They want to win, and it's fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: The purse wasn't bad. I mean, I know they're splitting

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it as a team. Hopefully they're splitting it evenly as

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a team, all four of them, but still it was

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a it was a healthy purse.

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Speaker 1: Oh my right o. Yep, yep. I think that's what

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they say. It's a pretty nice week.

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Speaker 2: But I want to know what was the buzz in

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the building while that championship match was happened. The final

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championship match on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: And it was real. It was real. I mean it was.

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Speaker 2: Sporting events to be able to gauge.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, it's it's hard to I mean, yes,

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the people there are really having a good time and

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they're into it, and the players are into it. They're

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not kidding around. I mean, you know, they're a competitive

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and Lucas is kind of yelling at Billy horsehow about stuff.

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team concept. And I tell people, if you go back

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and look at the Ryder Cup from the nineteen eighties,

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go watch film. You know of the nineteen eighties Ryder Cup.

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until nineteen ninety one and what they call it the

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War by the Sea or something like that in ninety one.

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the thing that kicks tgl off. There'll be something a

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watershed moment that people really will pay attention and they'll

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come running in. The thing I like about it as

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it's important that we earn we earn our golf fans back.

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off us and things in the past few years, and

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so we've got to real you know, we've got to

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get these golf fans back involved. And I think this

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and this may actually is seeing all the baseball players

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and stuff there that night, you know, the other sports stars.

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which may then push them to watch you know, other

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pro goff events, right, And that's what I hope. But

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to earn a lot of the golf fans back into

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this game as well. It's just been so much talk

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about money, and it's it's just in our business. It's

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never talked about there is a moment that money comes in.

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But you don't hear that ever about that putt was worth.

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I think Lucas made a putt the finished third and

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the players and people are telling me how much that

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putt meant. I mean, Lucas didn't know. He didn't. He'll

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find that later, But that wasn't the point, and everybody

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needs to understand these guys are not playing the game

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for money. I mean, they do earn a living doing it,

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but that's not what they're They're playing to compete and

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beat people. That's it's it's always been the crux. And

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we just need to get talking about the money and

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and let these sports fans know that these guys would

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play for nothing. I mean they don't, but they want

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to compete. So but I was, like I said, I'm

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Speaker 2: You could see the energy. I mean, Billy horshchall was obvious.

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associated with Lucas. I mean you didn't get to pick

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up a putter or luckily you didn't have to hit out.

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Speaker 1: Thank god they didn't want be doing it.

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Speaker 2: But it has to be exciting to be part of

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the inaugural winning team, even you know, loosely associated.

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Speaker 1: Loosely associally obviously asociated just by our conversations. I mean,

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you can't repeat it. You know, I've known mister Blanks

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for thirty some years, you know, just an incredible man.

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is you know, you don't get those chances much in life,

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and I feel honored to be a part of it.

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I was on TV too much because of the hundreds

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of texts I got telling me, you know, call me

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ugly and one of my you know all that stuff,

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and and I tell them, I said, you know, a

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camera adds ten pounds. And unfortunately they had three cameras

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on me the whole time. So but yeah, it was fun.

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of the show. That was a sign seating. I didn't

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have a choice. That's where my name tag was and

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I sat there. I knew I would be seen, you know.

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I had one of our buddies, doctor David Murphy, our team,

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one of our team surgeons, and he was there and

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I told him, I said, no, look forewarned, you know,

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don't pick your nose, don't do anything silly because they're

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going to see you. So and I hope I didn't,

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you know, but.

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Speaker 2: No, no, Well, well thank you for explaining why I

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sent you a text the following morning and didn't hear

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from you. For twenty four hours, which is like unlike

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you at all. Yeah, it was, but I'm sure that

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you being on TV like that, you're going to get

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a lot of people reaching out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just you know, most of them were really fun

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and you know, the stuff they were telling me was

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quite funny, and I mean it's friends. I mean I

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get it. And you know, again, I don't try to

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ever be part of the show. I try to stay

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away from that stuff if I can, I like behind

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the scenes. But it was fun to be with Lucas

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and experience with him, because you know, he was really pumped.

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Speaker 2: And tell me about that. How is Lucas doing watching it?

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie to you. He wanted to

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say the proverbial bench. He did not. He wanted to

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play and he and obviously these are competitive men. These

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what they do. They compete. And yeah, so he there's

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no question disappointed, But you can't argue with the fact

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that they won the championship. And whoever put the team

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have won no matter what. I just think they're that

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much better than the other teams. But yeah, I mean disappointed,

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but not in a way of like, you know, screw it,

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and he's like, no, I'll be there. I'm gonna support

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my team. I believe it, and if they need me,

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I'm ready to go. And he would have been ready

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to go if they had lost that first match. I

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believe he'd been pulled in, thank goodness, so we didn't

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I loved about watching TGL

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is that it was more personality golf then you'll ever

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see on the PGA Tour because everybody's on their own

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island when they're playing on tour, competing against one another,

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but watching them and listening to them, right, having every

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guy miked and being part of a team. Just to me,

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it just sucked you in. It brought you in, and

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watch this, you gotta watch this, and I hope to

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watch the last one because they really did save the

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best for last that that game, that match I was

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fourteenth hole there and we're tied and it was super close,

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like a baseball game, a playoff baseball game, than it

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did almost any other sport. I mean, look at the score,

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four four, five five four, you know, five to four,

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you know that kind of scoring, and little nuanced things

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happened at work that didn't work. That felt like championship baseball,

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Speaker 1: And you're talking about the hammer, you know, because Lucas

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They're like talking about they had a little hand signals

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for the hammer. You could see him like, and I

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part of that through Andy Ogletree, and you're right. You see,

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these guys have that team atmosphere is awesome. And that's

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what I kept saying earlier is what is wrong with

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some team golf? A So some team golf in this thing,

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and both the PGA Tour and Live should be able

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to live together and combine some of that stuff. It'd

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be awesome. It'd be cool if they'd have a you know,

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have a lived team show up. You know what if

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they'd have had a live team show up, so well

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next week, now they got to play these guys. I mean,

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let's integrate these guys back in and maybe TJ I'll

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give us that opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Well, you brought it up. I was going to but

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since you already brought it up, you know, this seemed

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to work. TGL seemed to work. It was a great

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TV event. It was a made for TV event. And

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as Barney Adams has said to us before, hey, the

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PGA Tour is a television show, right, and this was

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designed to be a two hour TV show with competition.

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So it's like on an off sports night you get

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to watch some sports. But so I have to think

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that they're walking away from the end of this season

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TGL and Tomorrow Sports walk away thinking this worked, We

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succeeded absolutely absolutely. Why did TGL work versus Live doesn't

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seem to have worked. I've never watched, never cared to

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watch a live event. Is what do you what do

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you in your seat? What do you think is the

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difference or why?

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Speaker 1: One? Well, there was a lot of negative energy thrown

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toward it, you know, to yeah, to try to lead

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people from not watching it. I believe that. I mean, obviously,

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and I think there's a lot of negative Second thing

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is is I think they finally got to deal with

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Fox TV, the Fox Networks, and now there's going to

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be more exposure to be easier to watch. I think

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some people had some difficulty finding the CW of whatever league.

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I think some of that it's new, it's you know,

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and again it's just there's a lot of people on

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this island that are they're either anti live or pro live,

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and it's the most ridiculous thing. It's you know, from

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my point of view, it's GoF they're aren't and off

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GoF opportunities for all the talent out there now much

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less trying to limit another option. I think there's there's

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room for several more tours and that much talent is

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out there, so I whether live works or not, I

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think it's again, GoF is a slow moving game. It

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took a long time for people to quit wearing leather

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bottomed shoes. I mean, you didn't you saw it forever.

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They're not giving away the foot joy classics and still spikes,

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you remember that it just metal drivers. It takes people time,

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but once they lock into it, then it's fine. And

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I go back to the Ryder Cup. After ninety one,

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the Ryder Cup becomes a sold out event. They're selling

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what's it, six hundred and fifty dollars a ticket in

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New York for a day, and they're selling them faster

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than they can print them. And it took a long

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time for that competition to catch the eyes of the public.

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And I think that's the same thing for Tgo, and

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there's an incredible amount of talent playing Lyft, and like

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them or not or wherever, all the reasons, it's competitive golf.

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And I'm going next week to Miami with Andy ogle

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Tree to be there, and it's just just competitive. It's

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no different. This guys are not they're not playing for money.

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what they're playing for. They play to compete. These guys

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are competitive people, and I think that's where we need

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to get away from. I mean a lot of people

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with inflation are having a hard time feeding their families

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and just continuing to hear about these obscenes about some money,

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and I think it wears on you. I think we

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mentioned this one time. Derek Jeter was making what sixty

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million a year, but they didn't announce his salary every

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time he hit a home run. I mean it was

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like they talked about earlier in the year and then

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it was over. Now he's playing baseball, and I think

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that's what we should do with golf. I mean, yeah,

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there's money involved in it, but let's just get back

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to these guys are trying to they want to win.

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I mean it wasn't but Lucas is gonna get paid

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whether or not he played or not. But they didn't.

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He wanted to play, right, I mean, he's that's what

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you know. And I think That's why they probably won.

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Is those guys all wanted to play, you know, they

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weren't just I mean I was I was really shocked

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that Tiger and Roy didn't show up for the finals.

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I thought they would sound to come out, maybe to

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staying with mister Blank and yeah, I thought that would

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be it. And I don't know if it's because they

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weren't playing and they didn't feel it, but I thought

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there would be a lot.

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Speaker 2: More all the teams that should have been there.

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Speaker 1: I thought there'd be a lot. I mean, most of

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those guys lived ten minutes in there. I thought there

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would be a lot more support to come in and

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support the league because it's important for it to succeed.

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And I think Tiger and Rory, and I think Matthew

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Fitzpatrick was there. I didn't run into him, but who

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was you know, didn't play for their team. I think

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it was Case, but he was there, Okay, we good.

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I didn't say it, but he was on Team Bun.

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I just thought that. I just thought that, I mean,

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this thing working is good for everybody in golf and

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everybody that could have been there on a Tuesday night,

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didn't have anything to do, and it's fun, free drinks

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and food. I mean, what more do you want? And

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I just thought I thought that it might be a

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bunch of tour players hanging out, come over and celebrate,

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you know, when Davis's team won the US I mean

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the Ryder Cup in twenty sixteen, Somewhere during the celebration party,

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all the European team came over and hung out with

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the American team and had drinks and Darren Clark did

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a wonderful toast to the American team. And that's kind

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of what I thought would happen. I thought that we'd

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all come together they won. But here we all are,

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and this is great for golf, and I kind of

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made me squeamish a little bit to think that even

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Tiger and Rory wouldn't be there.

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Speaker 2: M Well, one of the one of the early conversations

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that we had in talking about talking about Live, you

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made the comment about that the teams should have been

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regional as opposed to just random names, because then it

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makes it easier, makes it easier a for merchandising, but

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be for people to latch onto it, like here I

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am wearing clothes from the Bay team. I think that

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I think that that really worked for TGL, having the

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teams being regional. You know. I mean I got the

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new Lab golf putter, the one designed by Adam Scott,

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and I didn't realize that I got it in Green

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and he's playing for Boston. So it's like, oh, this

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is perfect type the Adams Scott pletter and Green because

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he's playing for Boston on TGL.

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I again, I'm trying not to. I have my own

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ideas and I've told somebody I may be dead wrong,

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but only have the ideas based on thirty four years

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in his business. And yeah, I think regional teams would

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have been an amazing thing. I've made the suggestion and

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the end I trust what they're doing. These are there's

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good guys and they're smart guys too. You know, why

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not have six players on the team like TGL, so

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that every player doesn't necessarily have to play every event.

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fourteen events, and you could have let's I pretend let's

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let's pretend that we have an Iron Irish team, the

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Ireland team from Ireland, and you got Rory and Shane,

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and you don't have to be from Ireland, but some

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aspects of it. And if they had six then Rory

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could play four team events a year and still play

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his major schedule and then play his other tour schedule

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and his other DP World Tour schedule and not overplay.

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But the team would get the same amount of exposure

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because you'd still be I mean, I wonder if they

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had a Dare matter, if they had to live event

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and Shane and Rory were on the team, how many

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people would show up in jerseys kind of like going

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to the Super Bowl and seeing the Eagles and the

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whoever they played, the Chiefs jerseys. Sorry but I forgot

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they just keep putting. But yeah, but it's like the

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licensing opportunities of merchandising. And if you had a team

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for Texas and a team from here, you know, Frederica

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or there where people could latch onto it, want to

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where the jersey's proudly, you know, the licensing merchandise, That's

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what it would have meant to me. And I think

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if like TGL, they had more players than played, they

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could space their players out and not you know, create

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a situation where a guy had to play thirty times

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a year to play. But that's again that's my idea

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wrong there.

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Speaker 2: But with the regional teams the TGL created, now you

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have like incredible room for expansion, right, because what happened

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to Texas. We need a definitely we needed Texas.

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Speaker 1: There's some good golfers that are Texas. I hear they don't,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: And we've got the two California teams. Okay, that was good,

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but there's so many different regions that should be represented

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and could be represented. And clearly the players don't have

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to come from that area.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I mean the Bay team was like all foreign players practically,

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which is great. You know, I don't care because like

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my San Francisco Giants, I don't know how many of

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those guys ever grew up and played in San Francisco

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growing up.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's so rare that someone from Atlanta actually plays

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for the Atlanta Braves, but nobody cares. You know, you

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still Braves at and you go support the team and

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then yeah, I agree with you. Like I say, all

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this is so new is that it's going to take

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time for the public to find things and they're all

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going to kind of they'll all kind of tweak it

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as they go to make it better and better, which

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is like any product, right, I mean, the first iPhone

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is not as good as this iPhone. So I think

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they'll tweak it and get it better. Mike McCarley, who

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you know, it's his his baby, you know, super smart guy,

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and you know, kudos for him what he did. But

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I think he'll make it better. I think he'll figure

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they'll figure things out and they'll just continue to tweak it.

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And you know, like I say everything, I'm I'm I'm

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pro professional golf. You know, the more opportunities, the better,

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And so that's what I hope we can always get.

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We can finally get to.

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Speaker 2: In addition to adding new regional teams, now the door

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is wide open for teams that are and and you know,

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TGL seasons to expand. As we've discussed co ed teams,

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why not could be could have a live team. Why not?

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Who cares? Right? Because you want to bring some of

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those top names in, you want to bring the personalities.

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Bryson would be a blast to watch there, I think.

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So now I'm sure ESPN is ecstatic, but now they

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have this huge volley. They only had a couple of

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weeks of TGL. Why not do this? Okay, next season

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which starts next month, right exactly, we're going to do

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the LPGA on TGL, and we're going to do uh,

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you know, pro am, I don't know. You you can

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audition to play TGL, but I think there's so much

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room for additional seasons, not just once a year.

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Speaker 1: It could be like I say, it's like I say,

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I probably not. It's out of my pay grade to

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figure out exactly how much or what to do. You know,

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we talk about Texas. Can you imagine Scotti Scheffler and

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Jordan Spaeth and Bryce de Chambeau all live in Texas.

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They show up and now you've got a whole different deal.

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And again, something's got to bring unity to this game again,

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and maybe TGL can play that part of it. You

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know that we can kind of get get past all

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this last this stuff mess we've been through the last

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four years and let's get back to you know, we

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got the Masters in a couple of weeks, and you're

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going to see all the best players in the world

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there not all of them there'll be some best players

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that won't make it for some reason. But as a rule,

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you're going to see the first first golf tournament with

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those players back together. And I think we're going to

474
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,480
all find that that's what the golf world wants to see,

475
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,599
and we're going to have to figure it out. I

476
00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:42,880
don't again, don't know that, don't know the roadback, but

477
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,480
that's what we're gonna have to get to.

478
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, something, something's got to get interesting about it. So

479
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,720
I have a suggestion. I'm you're the closest person to

480
00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:56,759
all of this. I have a suggestion that I thought

481
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,119
was missing in the production of this of TG well,

482
00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:04,200
and it's real simple, and it has to do with

483
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:10,920
hitting into the enormous screen sixty three feet hides. It's gigantic,

484
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,279
thirty five yards away. It's hard to know. I think

485
00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:19,680
that there should be a sound effect for when the

486
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,880
ball hits the screen that takes the ball from reality

487
00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:27,640
to virtual to real to virtual. Right, So it's just

488
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,559
like a when the ball hits the screen, it's like

489
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:32,119
a all of a sudden, it's like, okay, now I've

490
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,880
hit the screen, so we know how long it took

491
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,960
for the ball to get from the player to the

492
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,359
screen and then possibly even some sort of dot or

493
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,119
some image of where the ball hit the screen. So

494
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,720
like if they're doing a high.

495
00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:51,279
Speaker 1: Lob shot, a starburst right where.

496
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:53,599
Speaker 2: It is, or something subtle, it doesn't have to be big,

497
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,759
and it shouldn't be. It should be subtle. But it's

498
00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:57,880
just like, oh, okay, that's where it is. Like if

499
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,319
they have to hit this seventy five yard shot, they

500
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,039
hit it all the way to the top of the screen,

501
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,440
versus hitting your you know, hitting out of their little

502
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,720
sand into the screen from thirty five yards away. But

503
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:10,519
they hit it low and it just made it over

504
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:13,319
the lip there. You know, something that gives you a

505
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,000
sense of where it is, that takes you from reality

506
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,640
to the virtual part of it.

507
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Speaker 1: I'll pass it along and if it's a good idea,

508
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,880
you get the credits. It's a bad idea, they'll tell

509
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,559
me another one of my bad ideas. Yeah, I don't think. Look,

510
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:28,480
I don't think they're I think, well, I think they would.

511
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:30,240
I mean, like I said, I think they will do

512
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,720
things to make it better and better. I mean I'm

513
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,960
sure they will. I mean this is they adjust it

514
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:35,440
on the fly.

515
00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean look at they did to the hammer.

516
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,200
They changed the rules of the hammer almost immediately, and

517
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,319
it was incredibly.

518
00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: Effective, much better much, no question, it was much better,

519
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,960
and that was a huge part. I don't know we'll

520
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,400
ever see, you know, a live golf event with the

521
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,079
with the hammer being thrown, but I mean it'd be

522
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,119
kind of cool to watch it. I mean, that changed

523
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,240
a lot of dynamics. But because I mean, when that

524
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:01,400
hammer is thrown, it changes their whole Now it changes

525
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,359
everything in a hurry. It used to be a game

526
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,240
called woof that everybody played, you know, it was kind

527
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:08,599
of like that. It was not that pressure five foot

528
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,240
or until they whoofed it either pick it up whatever.

529
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:17,960
But yeah, I can say i'm i personally obviously for

530
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,200
what they started out to do when the concept was there,

531
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,920
And of course they had the building collapse last year,

532
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,559
so they were delayed a year. And I was with

533
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,160
Mike McCarley and actually mister Blanks when that happened, and

534
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:32,559
you know, it was taken as okay, well that's okay,

535
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,480
we'll be ready to go next year. We'll be better prepared,

536
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,319
and everything works out for the best type of thing.

537
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,720
But nobody knew what it was going to be like

538
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:43,559
anybody how it was going to come across on TV

539
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:46,480
or and you know, it was a little bit more

540
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:49,160
like hockey. To me, being live was different than watching

541
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,279
it on TV a lot more, a lot more exciting

542
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,960
because you can see it happening a little better because

543
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,640
you can watch it. You can watch the reaction of

544
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,440
the ball and the player at the same time, which

545
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,440
you can on TV. You know, you can see if

546
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,640
the player likes it or not. And but all those

547
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,839
things I think, are you know there might you know

548
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,680
I've been a big proponent yeah, and again I have

549
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,240
been for a long time saying, you know, I wish

550
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,920
we would mic the golf backs on tour and how

551
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,000
many times you could flip that thing on and listen

552
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:21,640
to a caddy talk to the player and what was

553
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,200
going on and how it was going on.

554
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: And then my lef.

555
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,759
Speaker 1: You know, at Augusta you can watch every shot of

556
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:31,359
every player online. You can watch I can watch Lucas

557
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,880
hit every shot. I don't know what that technology technology cost.

558
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,640
I don't know if he calls. It's played at the

559
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,279
same place every year. It's easier, But can you imagine

560
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,279
being able to watch a golfer. You want to watch

561
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,559
Lucas Glover. I paid three to ninety nine a month

562
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:48,599
to be able to watch him play every shot he

563
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,440
wants to play. Listen to him and his caddy talk.

564
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,480
Listen to get into the game. You know, I still listen.

565
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:57,279
I pay to listen to NASCAR. I don't watch much

566
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,519
Nascar anymore. I don't have the time, but I will

567
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:02,799
if i'm I will listen to a race because I

568
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,400
can hear the driver and the crew chief talking and

569
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,640
that's really exciting to me. Listen to what's going on.

570
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,960
And I don't know how many people they want. Is

571
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,319
it five million people that had the PGA tour out?

572
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:14,799
How many people would pay three ninety nine or five

573
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,200
ninety nine a month to be able to watch their

574
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,519
favorite player and you can watch it? You know I would.

575
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:22,160
I mean that's what I do with the masters. If

576
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,519
I'm watching online, I'm watching my guys play. I mean,

577
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:26,240
I want to see what they're doing. It's kind of fun.

578
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,279
But to be able to hear them talking, understand what

579
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,240
they're going through when they're on number twelve trying to

580
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,799
figure out the wind. You know, we had Lucas. Lucas

581
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,720
was you know, he's really close to the lead that

582
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:42,079
the players on Saturday and on number seventeen, I got

583
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:43,440
the hit it in the water. I don't know if

584
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,359
you know this. He hit it short to hit back

585
00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:47,519
in the water. But after the round I got to

586
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:48,960
talk to the caddy and I said, hey, what was

587
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:50,759
going on there? And he goes, well, we had a

588
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:53,160
we only had about a five or six foot place

589
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,039
to hit it without hitting in the water. If you

590
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:56,839
hit it on the top shelf, that's going over the

591
00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:01,000
water as the kid that playing it wheels out of

592
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,839
the tourist, I think it was hit it on top

593
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:06,200
of the shelf. It went long, Lucas went short, and

594
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,960
I'm like, what was going on? Said well, we knew

595
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,759
our max was a fifty six when knew this, and

596
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:14,519
we hit it. Lucas hit it perfect and that was

597
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:15,960
the whole thing. And then I said, well look at

598
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,759
the shot link what happened and his apex of the

599
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,359
flight was eighty one feet and it didn't get above

600
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,440
the grand stands behind him to fill the wind, so

601
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,000
it never got to fill the wind and people and

602
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,559
I mean that sounds kooky, but that's you know. So

603
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,200
the caddy and Lucas had that one sixteen to one

604
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:36,519
twenty shot that he had to hit down wind. That's

605
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:38,400
a fifty six. This is what we're going to do.

606
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,640
And he hit it and it comes up short turns out.

607
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,799
If it had been nine feet higher, it would have

608
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:46,599
probably landed on the right spot. But those grand stands

609
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,279
blocked the wind. Now excuse says, well, just what I'm saying.

610
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,400
But that's fun stuff to know. I mean, you're going

611
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,000
absolutely you know, I'm watching the stats of that. How

612
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,039
cool were the men to pop up? And that stats

613
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:00,920
show that his ball apex at eighty one feet and

614
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,640
it actually didn't catch the wind that they were seeing

615
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,799
on the green, and that to me is fun stuff.

616
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,920
He didn't miss it, he didn't. And then Wills Alataurus

617
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,440
hits it what fifteen more feet or yards and his

618
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,519
goes into water over said, there was just the greens

619
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:21,720
were firm. There was just so little room for air.

620
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,200
And what we also did was went and found one

621
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,640
of the best shots hit that day. I think it

622
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,279
was a kid, Davis Thompson, and he hit the same

623
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:31,000
club a couple mile an hour faster than Lucas, but

624
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:33,119
he hit it fourteen feet higher. And he hit it

625
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,160
ten feet and so we can go find the best shot.

626
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,799
What were the perfect parameters of that to hit that

627
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,400
shot and those things that are going on. That would

628
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,160
be I think for fans that really cool to understand

629
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,720
what's going on. And we got the Tampa the next week,

630
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:53,559
and obviously his fifty six was apex at eighty one

631
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:55,759
feet and they were talking about do we get a

632
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:57,920
different shaft to launch it higher? Do we these things?

633
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,000
And Lucas just turned around and says, so what you're saying,

634
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:01,440
you want me to hit it higher? I'll just hit

635
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,000
it higher. How about that? You know? But yeah, So

636
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,960
that to me is how do we capture the golf

637
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:12,200
fan back. Give them something they've never seen before, give

638
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,359
them inside track. I mean, who would not want to

639
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:17,759
listen to Jordan Spieth and his caddy every shot? I

640
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:19,640
mean the thing you can see it going on. You

641
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,759
can't hear them, but you I mean they're going over

642
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:25,079
some stuff. Or Bryson Dcembau and his caddy. Can you

643
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:28,720
imagine talking about the atmospheric pressure and the stuff that

644
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:32,559
they probably talk about. So, but you know, I'd said

645
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:35,119
on another show, I say, you know, there's an Einstein

646
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,640
quote that says no problem can be solved from the

647
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,960
same level it was created, and I think that's what's

648
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,519
happening right now. So I think both all the league,

649
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:46,039
all of professional golf has got to come up with

650
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:49,440
a different level to solve this problem. And I think

651
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,839
winning the golf fan back should be first and foremost

652
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:58,319
of the priority.

653
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:03,319
Speaker 2: Again, one of my favorite parts of TGL was the

654
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,400
hot mic situations or hot like segments where you got

655
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,519
to listen to these guys discuss their strategy and again

656
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,559
personality golf, team golf where you know you're not playing

657
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:20,359
against each other, you're playing as a team against another team,

658
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:23,599
but getting to hear them like that's one of the

659
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,799
things that I love about when when Bryson had Phil

660
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:35,079
Michelson on or anytime Phil Michelson's on YouTube, he's fascinating. Absolutely, Yeah,

661
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,920
he's just fat, he's so interesting, and he's he's so

662
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:43,240
smart about his golf that you can learn so much

663
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,359
from it and it's just so much fun.

664
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,119
Speaker 1: Absolutely, team golf out there is usually the player in

665
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,039
the caddy. The caddy, you know, I always you know,

666
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:53,480
my theory on the caddy is, you know, people talk

667
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:56,759
about this and that, and so we'll just imagine whatever

668
00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:59,920
pitcher Adam Waynwright or Tom Siever without a good catcher.

669
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,799
And I called the caddy the catcher that's helping call

670
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,519
the call the pitches, and that's the team. When they're

671
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:09,240
playing individual golf, it's essentially him and the caddy are

672
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:10,880
teaming up to figure out what we're going to do,

673
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,319
what pitch we throw in, what are we going to

674
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:15,839
buil here? And it's the one thing is the difference

675
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,839
is they can do it and then and then hit

676
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,240
the shot that mirrors what they're trying to do. Most

677
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:24,039
of us, most of us camp, but to watch these

678
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:25,920
guys actually tell you where they're going to land the

679
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,680
golf ball. Lucas hit a shot. I don't know if

680
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,319
you saw on the first day he shot sixty six.

681
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,559
I think it was six hundred. He shot players on

682
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,960
eighteen and the pin was left front and Lucas hit

683
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,480
it probably twenty five feet right of there, a little long,

684
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,960
and then of course rolls back to what five feet

685
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,440
And I asked Tommy, the caddy has said, I said,

686
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,759
he hit his number there. He goes exactly where he

687
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:51,799
said he was going to hit it exactly and I

688
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:53,920
was like, and it gives you chills, Like that's what

689
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,759
we said, We're going to hit it right there, and

690
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:57,519
he did it and he goes and I meant, man,

691
00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:59,400
it give me chills. He goes me too. It's just

692
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,200
but it goes back to how good these guys are,

693
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:04,960
how precise they are with their yardages, how far they

694
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,800
know they hit it, the how the most amazing things

695
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,280
they can do. And I wish we could bring it

696
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,519
out and show you they're trying to do these things.

697
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:16,119
Now obviously it's golf, they're not pulling it off all

698
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,840
the time, but incredible, you're trying to hit this shot

699
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:21,800
like this is a shot you're going to hit, and

700
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,199
how they go about it and how they and then

701
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,000
they do it all right, and they do it. So

702
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,599
that's what I think we need to do. That's what's

703
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:31,199
been interesting.

704
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,559
Speaker 2: That was part of the interesting element of TGL is

705
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:39,440
these guys now playing simulator golf. They're playing indoor golf,

706
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:43,559
so their shots weren't doing exactly what they expected them to.

707
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,559
And there were a lot of shots that just were like,

708
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,079
how did that happen? You can see it in their face. Well,

709
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,719
you're hitting from a flat lie always there's no win

710
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,559
to work with. You just got to get the line

711
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,800
right and stuff, and the yardage may or may not

712
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,000
work some of the times.

713
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: He's missing some shot. I think everyone, I think, especially

714
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,800
web shots. When you see a guy hit a web

715
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,440
shot and it's four yards too short or too long,

716
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:10,800
it didn't pick it up right because they don't get that.

717
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,039
They don't know I mean they have to they have

718
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:15,400
to miss a golf shot. I mean they're more in

719
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,360
the two and three feet from one hundred and twenty

720
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,880
five yards than four or five yards, And so you

721
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,960
see guys hit a shot that they just there's just

722
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
they don't that's out of their league to hit it.

723
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:30,199
That difference and they're the distance difference is not there.

724
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,440
So but again I think the technology again will catch

725
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:35,559
up with that. And again I'm not saying that maybe

726
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,480
they did hit flyers, but I just watched some of them.

727
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:40,079
They're just they're they're too far off.

728
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,559
Speaker 2: But as somebody who as an average golfer, I kind

729
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,119
of loved it. It's like, oh, you can screw up too,

730
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,599
that's awesome. How do you deal with it? You know,

731
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:52,760
you could see in their face they would hit the shot,

732
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,000
and they would look at their team and was like,

733
00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:56,000
what what just happened?

734
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,559
Speaker 1: What just And I when Lucas did his test match there,

735
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,960
when he did his first first time in the thing,

736
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000
I got to go with him and all of it

737
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,199
was playing kind of and then he hit a wed shot.

738
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,800
I forget the number, but it went quite a bit

739
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,559
further and he looked at me and he looked at

740
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:13,280
the guy and he goes, you hit that, and he goes, now,

741
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,079
I hit it one twenty I'll say one twenty seven.

742
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:16,920
He goes, now I hit it one twenty seven and

743
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,320
it flew one thirty two. That's something wrong. And the

744
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,599
guy looked at me. He goes, is he serious? I said, no, no,

745
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,079
he's serious. He knows exactly how far he hit it.

746
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:25,960
And all of them do. That's what makes them so great.

747
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:28,400
And they don't need a machine to tell them they know.

748
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:31,840
I mean, that's what's pretty scary. But I think it'll

749
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,440
the technology wouldn't prove like and everything else, and you're

750
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,000
going to have mistakes. But this is another thing about golf.

751
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:40,480
I tell people, have you know, I play golf with

752
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:42,800
people and they hit a bad shot and I'm like,

753
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,239
they think Tour players don't hit those because TV never

754
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,079
shows you those shots. If they if you could watch

755
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:53,519
every player play every shot, you would see some pretty

756
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,239
god awful shots. We were talking about the Players Championship

757
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,239
in the eighteenth hold how difficult it is, and it

758
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,519
is right Cam Smith, Just Smith, Yeah, the kid Cam Smith.

759
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:06,760
The year Cam Smith won that golf tournament, he hit

760
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,360
it in the water three of the four days on

761
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,599
that whole Wow. And people don't And I tell people that,

762
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:13,239
well you know why he couldn't hit that many bad

763
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,280
shots and win. They go, yeah, they can, they do that,

764
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,280
they hit bad shots.

765
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: Sure.

766
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: I think when Tiger won by fifteen in the two

767
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,119
thousand and US Open, I think he made a triple

768
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,480
on the second hole. If I'm not mistaken, it happens.

769
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:26,920
I mean, and I think that would help too, to

770
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,639
see that. I don't need to see every great golf shot.

771
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,360
I mean, I think people do want to see the

772
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,960
best players in the world hit one that just go sideways,

773
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:37,800
you know, just oh, and it does. Oh I've seen.

774
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,440
I don't know if every client has hit the top

775
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,639
most of them have hit a shank, most of them.

776
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:47,480
I mean, it's a hard game. I mean I wish

777
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,559
people knew how difficult it was. And so when you

778
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:53,039
see these guys on when they are on, it is

779
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:55,440
the magical thing that they can do what they're doing,

780
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,119
I mean, and nothing that probably we experienced much in

781
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,400
our life. But first of all, well, we never visualize

782
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,039
what we're going to do that much like they are

783
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,760
visualizing the shot they're going to hit every one of them.

784
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,920
So we probably don't do that much. But when we do,

785
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,360
how rare it is to pull it off almost exactly

786
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,880
how it looked. And most amateurs I see them do

787
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,639
it just when they've got to hit over a tree

788
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,400
or under a tree, and they're only visualizing that part

789
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,960
of the shot, which makes them let go of the results.

790
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:27,039
And then they hit this great shot over the trees

791
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:28,960
where they were just trying to get it over the tree,

792
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:31,800
which is kind of part of it right once it

793
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:34,920
And so yeah, it's there's a lot of things we

794
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,679
can do to make this get improved, this product, and

795
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,679
it's not knocking the old product. It just means, man,

796
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,440
it's time to move on like it's.

797
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: Time because you've got it. You've got a different audience.

798
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,519
It's not for everybody, but it could be for a

799
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:55,840
lot different a different audience and a younger audience. Great,

800
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:59,360
what do you think the long I mean, let's let's

801
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,440
pretend that TGL is long term and it carries itself

802
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:09,119
and continues to grow. What do you think the impact

803
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,159
on simulator and indoor golf is going to be in

804
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:16,840
the long run for you know, like indoor golf leagues,

805
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,800
indoor golf venues all over the country. Do you think

806
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,400
there's going to be an impact there? I think so.

807
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, you know, in Sun Valley, Idaho,

808
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,559
where I've spent a lot of the winter, Sun Valley

809
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,559
has an indoor they have indoor simulators obviously for snowing

810
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:34,320
out there, and they have they have an indoor simulator

811
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,440
league already. My nephew lives out there. He plays on

812
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,840
the team, you know, And so yeah, I think you're

813
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,440
going to see more and more of that, especially in

814
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,159
climates that's not like this climate where we can play

815
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:48,360
twenty four to seven almost here, but up in the Northeast,

816
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,719
I mean it's it's or you know, up in the Midwest,

817
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:54,920
and you imagine like Thursday nights golf league and here

818
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,360
we go, We're going to go play it you know,

819
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,920
it replaced the gin game, you know, probably in.

820
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,159
Speaker 2: Clubs and bowling, and could replace bowling. And that's why

821
00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:05,920
I think I think venues could open up with six

822
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,320
bowling alleys, four simulator screens, a bar, a restaurant, a

823
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,199
concert little you know, like Friday night concerts. Yeah, put

824
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:17,360
in ping pong tables too, while you're at it. You

825
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,079
know that's not going to corner space.

826
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I agree, and you said

827
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:26,119
it very earlier. Is GoF as a whole is an

828
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:31,239
entertainment package. It is a competition, but it's still entertainment,

829
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,440
and I think we lose sight of that. So I

830
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,719
saw Patent Gazarre, dear friend, he lives here, places here,

831
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,519
had a little rough day and he punted his putter,

832
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,400
you know, and if you've ever played golf, you've either

833
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:50,199
punted a putter or wanted to write. And just one

834
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:51,800
of the best guys you ever meet. And he came

835
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,280
out with an apology. And I was telling somebody, so

836
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,880
what do you think about that? And I said, well,

837
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:58,559
the only thing you should apologize about is that he

838
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:00,760
probably could have kicked that pudder for their feet to try,

839
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,719
and he didn't need to apologize for that. That is,

840
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,559
if you haven't played this game for a living or

841
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:09,519
played period period, you're going to do that. And that's personality. Look,

842
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:13,760
I mean, I'm not trying to condone kids punting. Everybody's well,

843
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,760
kids will know pump putters, Well, they're going to punnelm anyhow,

844
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,920
you know what, we might as well. But I think

845
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,719
that the personalities and being authentic to who you are

846
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,599
out there instead of trying to fit a mold, you know.

847
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,280
I mean, you're going to see eruptions of anger. You're

848
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,239
going to see these things because this, I mean, these

849
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,559
guys are playing for their living. People don't realize when

850
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,559
they miss butts. It's it's a lot different than us,

851
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,920
even though I think most of the club golfers here

852
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,280
react the same way when they miss butts, but this

853
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,280
is their lives. So yeah, I would love to just

854
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,719
take the you know, take the training wheels off these

855
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,320
guys and say, listen, this is entertainment. I mean I

856
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,199
even saw Patrick Cantley get emotional. I mean, you know,

857
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,039
it's fun because this guy means dang good golfer obviously,

858
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,679
and he looks pretty stoic most of the times. But

859
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,599
it was fun to see him kind of like a smile.

860
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:03,639
And you know, and remember when Tiger made that putt

861
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,400
when he was Kevin Naw when he walked, you know,

862
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,239
he got it out of the hole, was reaching in

863
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,880
and he copied him on the seventeenth toe. And when

864
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,239
Tiger did it, the laugh that Tiger had that was real.

865
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,840
That was authentic laughter. And that's what this game is.

866
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,400
I mean, even though they're in all that stress, I'd

867
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,559
like to tell these guys, listen, let it go. Man,

868
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:24,079
be who you are and let's see what you got.

869
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,159
Speaker 2: When you put the highlight reel together of the first

870
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:31,039
season of TGL, you're gonna show pictures of Tiger not

871
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:36,079
only screwing up, but laughing so hard he's doubled over again,

872
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,199
bringing a back, bringing out and even finding guys like Horshel,

873
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:48,519
like Tom don Kim, guys who have big personalities, right,

874
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,480
are great for television.

875
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: Right.

876
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: You look at Can'tley and like, come on, dude, give

877
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,440
me something here.

878
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,039
Speaker 1: I know it's I mean, I mean, that's who they are.

879
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:00,280
I mean, you can't you know that's who they they are,

880
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,079
But they're but somewhere in there is is somebody's going

881
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:06,239
to laugh, somebody's going to be mad. I mean, you know,

882
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,480
but again, I think it's gotten to where I mean

883
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,000
in the sense of they're all trying to fit in

884
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,000
this mold of how much time. I think that's what

885
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:19,280
goth is taking so long to play as well. You know,

886
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,239
it's like this this, and I mean these guys are

887
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,760
I mean, they are good enough at golf to play faster,

888
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,440
and they all need to understand that this is an

889
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:34,239
entertainment package. And those people watching, those fans are their bosses.

890
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,400
That's who they're that's who's paying their salaries. And these

891
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,840
corporations that are putting all this money up there their bosses.

892
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,880
So give them something, you know, spend a little extra

893
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,599
time with with you know, with these companies. I've always

894
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:49,079
said that, you know, I've always kind of mean, you know,

895
00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:51,400
these players, they play, but you know, go spend a

896
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,880
couple they spend thirty minutes in the Wells Fargo tent.

897
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:57,280
Go around and introduce yourself and say thanks for coming

898
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,360
out and be a part of this thing. And you know,

899
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,719
a lot of it doesn't happen anymore. I know, the

900
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,360
tour tries to do a good job of that, but

901
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:06,800
you know, I always say, these fans that are in

902
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,000
your way and talking in your back swing, they're your bosses.

903
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:11,519
Everyone's give you this opportunity to play god, because if

904
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:14,440
they're not here, you're not playing for a lot of money,

905
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,800
I can promise you. Right, But again, it's the whole inn.

906
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,119
These guys understand that, look you are, you're you're more

907
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:24,639
of an entertainer than you're an athlete out there. I mean,

908
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:28,880
if you don't believe it, John Day Lee Trevino, I mean,

909
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,440
and again, and mister Nicholas was never animated, right, I mean,

910
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,880
but he had Sevy and me. You know, like I say,

911
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,119
there's it's okay to have a straight man. Somebody can

912
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:40,960
be dull, but I mean you've got to have Sergio

913
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:44,000
losing his mind. I mean, you got to have this happening.

914
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:46,519
And and again Patrick.

915
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,559
Speaker 2: Johnny Carson, right absolutely, And.

916
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,079
Speaker 1: I've always you know, Patrick reed people Gosh, I can't

917
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,760
believe any people say now good things. I said, Well,

918
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,440
you haven't mad him. He is a nice kid. He's

919
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,239
a nice guy. I mean, but when he's competing, he

920
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,119
competes different than other people. But we need him too.

921
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:03,119
I mean some I don't want to say this in

922
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:04,639
a bad way. But he's kind of like a villain.

923
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,599
And and you know he could win this Masters as

924
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:11,360
easy as anybody. He's playing good golf again, right, And

925
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,280
so people hate this guy like that guy, And I said, great,

926
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,840
hate them like them. I don't care, right, exactly, I've

927
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,519
had exactly except for Davis Love, I've had clients. I've had.

928
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:23,320
Most of my clients have people that don't like them

929
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,840
when people like them. Everybody like Davis. So, but we

930
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,639
need that, we need we need more of that. And

931
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:31,760
the only way to really do it is to be

932
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,159
able to watch them hit every shot, not just when

933
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:37,000
they hit a great shot, but put that camera on

934
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:38,960
these guys and watch where they hit it. But see

935
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,760
they're not scared to hit a bad shot because they

936
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,159
know what to do when that happens. They're not concerned

937
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:46,840
about their short game making being able to fix them.

938
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,920
I had a client, I said, what's He says, what's

939
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,320
going on with me? And I said, you're hitting too

940
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,079
many good golf shots? And he said, what's wrong with that?

941
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:55,920
I said, you're not hitting any great ones because you're

942
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,960
so protecting hitting bad shots that you're not hitting great ones.

943
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,679
I said, the great players. They try to hit the

944
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,880
great shot, and when they miss it, they know what

945
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,880
to do to save themselves. And they're not mad at

946
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,639
the miss. They knew they were taking a chance. So

947
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,360
it's those kind of things that you keep I mean,

948
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:14,519
these guys are how many greens did they hit on average?

949
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,159
Was it fourteen thirteen? So they're missing four and five

950
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:22,719
greens around. I mean it's a rule as a rule, yeah, yeah,

951
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,840
and we think they're perfect.

952
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Speaker 2: Well listen, Bud, I know how busy you are. I

953
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:31,639
know what a hectic week this must have been for you,

954
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,039
and you've got one coming up in two weeks with

955
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:38,400
the Masters, and so I truly appreciate you making time

956
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,679
to just take a conversation with me here, because beyond

957
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,880
just talking about golf, I love talking with you about

958
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,599
the business of golf. Yeah, that's really what I find

959
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:50,639
the most fascinating.

960
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you much. Oh my pleasure. And

961
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,719
I'm embarrassed to tell you that I'm busy. There are

962
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,239
people that work much harder in their lives. I mean,

963
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:00,559
I'll be in drel next week working, and then I'll

964
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:03,000
be in Augusta working, and then I'll be in Hilton

965
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:06,559
Head working and people. I don't anybody think that I'm illusing,

966
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:08,400
that I'm not having the best time of my life.

967
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,559
I just I have to like I'm trying a little

968
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:13,039
bit so they don't think I'm not doing anything. But yeah,

969
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:15,559
so's it's busy, but man, it's a fun busy. This

970
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:18,039
is the best time of the year. And baseball starts today.

971
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:20,599
Final four is coming up. I mean, this is the

972
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:21,840
kick off the fun for me.

973
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:27,599
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, it's awesome. But well, Mac, I again,

974
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,320
I truly appreciate your time and your friendship and maybe,

975
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,320
just maybe we'll bump into each other in Atlanta or

976
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:39,039
in Augusta when I get to my inaugural first time

977
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,559
going and maybe my only time, but I get to

978
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:43,960
check it off the list.

979
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to the mass What a place. I mean,

980
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,800
there's nothing. I mean, I see every golf course in

981
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,199
the world. But buddy, everybody in our business, the players,

982
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,960
the teachers, the trainers, the masters, is a big week.

983
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,800
I mean it is. I mean there's no one not

984
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,239
giddy that week. I mean, they let us on the grounds,

985
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,519
you know, they allow me to be, you know, to

986
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:06,599
be a part of it, and you know, there's so

987
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:08,199
many people that's never even got to go. I think

988
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:13,000
this is my thirty third Masters or something wild, and

989
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:15,679
you know, and and it feels like the first one.

990
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,199
I mean, it's you when you get that little piece

991
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,239
of paper that invites you to come. It's a pretty

992
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,920
cool day really, So I don't anybody think I'm killing myself.

993
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:24,760
It's it's fun.