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Speaker 1: welcome with the fifty five Carsy Morning Show, and I
Speaker 1: wish we had a lust depressing moment a topic to
Speaker 1: talk about with FOP President Ken Kobert. Ken, welcome to
Speaker 1: the morning show. It's good to have you on.
Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Brian, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Somber, just heart wrenching reality that this Rodney Hinton junior guy,
Speaker 1: the father of the eighteen year old who was carrying
Speaker 1: a glock twenty three forty calib with an extended magazine,
Speaker 1: lost his life and at police shootout, Deputy Larry Henderson
Speaker 1: was intentionally targeted apparently by this Rodney Hinton junior guy.
Speaker 1: Your reaction, Ken, I know this has got to be emotional,
Speaker 1: and I just how does it hit you as a
Speaker 1: police officer and an FOP resident or representative.
Speaker 3: It's like a terrible nightmare. I just won't go away.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's been on the heart of all the
Speaker 3: law enforcement officers, you know, as we deal with YO
Speaker 3: what's going on. You have talked to many deputies that
Speaker 3: are friends of mine, and it's just it's a terrible situation.
Speaker 1: Terrible understatement. And I know that's how you got a
Speaker 1: phrase that Deputy Larry Henderson had nothing at all to
Speaker 1: do with the hint and shooting Diddy.
Speaker 3: No, nothing, you know, deputy that just retired a couple
Speaker 3: of months ago, that it was decided to continue to
Speaker 3: serve the community as a special deputy. And it was
Speaker 3: literally just uh, you know, running a traffic light for
Speaker 3: UC's graduation had nothing to do with this whole situation.
Speaker 1: And the it was the Cincinni Police Department who were
Speaker 1: involved in the investigation that's still in vehicle which ultimately
Speaker 1: led to Ryan Hinton's death.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: So he killed a sheriff's deputy, so not even the
Speaker 1: same uniform as the organization that was involved in his
Speaker 1: son's death.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, this was just pure evil that wanted
Speaker 3: to target a police officer because his eighteen year old
Speaker 3: son decided to make some terrible decisions that cost him
Speaker 3: his life.
Speaker 2: You forced the police officer.
Speaker 3: To take his life, and because of that, he decided
Speaker 3: that the retribution was to find the first cop that
Speaker 3: he had the opportunity to kill.
Speaker 2: It's just it's pure evil, is all it is.
Speaker 1: It is, And with all the witnesses and evidence there's
Speaker 1: not a question in my mind he's going to be
Speaker 1: found guilty. But turning back to the shooting, who did
Speaker 1: And I know you had commented before the video was
Speaker 1: released that the video was going to, you know, provide
Speaker 1: pretty clear information that it was a justifiable shooting, and
Speaker 1: I know Police Chief three Teresa Thiji says it was justified.
Speaker 1: I was a little disappointed that it wasn't more evident
Speaker 1: that the gun was pointed at the officer. Are we
Speaker 1: missing some details on that the shooting incident?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, here's the bottom line.
Speaker 3: You have these body cameras that and I went to
Speaker 3: recently to a class that talks about body cameras and
Speaker 3: what their capabilities are. That lends in these body cameras
Speaker 3: and these acts on body cameras, the lens cost a
Speaker 3: total of eight cents.
Speaker 2: So it's really no surprise when.
Speaker 3: You talk about somebody that's wearing a camera that is
Speaker 3: running as well as a suspect that's running, that it's
Speaker 3: not going to capture everything.
Speaker 2: It's not a surprise. It was blurry at some point
Speaker 2: in society.
Speaker 3: We've got to get back to we're going to believe
Speaker 3: what a police officer says an officer that is sworn
Speaker 3: to take an oath that is the epitome of integrity.
Speaker 3: We've got to start believing that if this officer says
Speaker 3: this just because it's not captured because the video is blurry,
Speaker 3: when are we going to decide that we're going to
Speaker 3: believe what a police officer says instead of saying, well,
Speaker 3: if it's not on camera, if it's not so clear
Speaker 3: on this camera what happened, then we're not going to
Speaker 3: believe that it's true.
Speaker 2: That's what we have to get back to in society.
Speaker 1: Well, and the other component is people fail to put
Speaker 1: themselves in the position of a police officer. And that
Speaker 1: officer was aware because if I got the detail is right,
Speaker 1: and you can correct me if I'm wrong, because I
Speaker 1: don't want to get up and get bad information out there. Ken,
Speaker 1: But the radio was on and going back and forth
Speaker 1: among the officers. He was told in advance the kid
Speaker 1: had a firearm on him. Correct, so he's gonna you
Speaker 1: can sorry, No, I'm just kidding. So he's on alert
Speaker 1: the kid. The kid's got a gun for God's take.
Speaker 1: My life is in peril and the community's lives in peril.
Speaker 1: My other officer's lives may be in peril. So you
Speaker 1: got a heightened sense of awareness and adrenaline flowing and
Speaker 1: concern that coming around that dumpster is a kid with
Speaker 1: a gun.
Speaker 3: You can hear that on the body camera. You can
Speaker 3: hear the other officer yelling he's got a gun. He's
Speaker 3: got a gun. He's got a gun. He's on your right,
Speaker 3: so that that can all be heard on the audio,
Speaker 3: and this police officer is simply trying to protect the community.
Speaker 3: There's no question as to whether this guy had a gun.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: The only question is and there's no question that he
Speaker 3: was armed. There's no question he ran with a gun.
Speaker 3: The question is, well, it doesn't show on the video
Speaker 3: specifically that that he pointed it at him. But when
Speaker 3: you watch the video, if you slow it down, you
Speaker 3: can see you know where the officer or or where
Speaker 3: the suspect is, what he's doing, and in fact, he
Speaker 3: was shot in the chest. Now, I don't know in
Speaker 3: what world people live, but if you shoot someone in
Speaker 3: the chest, it's hard to say that they were running
Speaker 3: away from you.
Speaker 1: That's point, that's that's the reality.
Speaker 3: He was shot twice, once in the chest. The second
Speaker 3: time was in his arm that went through his chest.
Speaker 1: And I said, the other component is in that situation,
Speaker 1: he's brandishing a firearm and I mean it only takes
Speaker 1: us a moment's time for that firearm and then the
Speaker 1: pointing directly the police officer and in your in. Again,
Speaker 1: it's a situational awareness kind of thing. I mean, you
Speaker 1: you have to be in a position to be able
Speaker 1: to defend and protect yourself and if you're that far
Speaker 1: away from it's not like you pull a taser out
Speaker 1: and tase the guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's nothing that says you when a police
Speaker 3: officer used deadly force that they have to you know,
Speaker 3: they have to have you know, been shot at or
Speaker 3: anything like that. All it says, constitution says, and what
Speaker 3: our rules, if you will, of engagement say is that
Speaker 3: you have to believe that your life or the life
Speaker 3: of another is in danger. That's exactly what that officer did.
Speaker 3: It's an officer has a lot of experience. That's a
Speaker 3: fantastic police officer that in that time he thought that
Speaker 3: his life was in danger and he did exactly what
Speaker 3: he should have done. And instead of you know, these
Speaker 3: community members that are all up in arms about this,
Speaker 3: instead of them going did this officer act reasonable?
Speaker 2: Which is absolutely true.
Speaker 3: The blame should be put on this eighteen year old
Speaker 3: kid that's running from a stolen car with a gun
Speaker 3: that decided to make a decision that forced this officer
Speaker 3: to take his life. That's where the blame is, not
Speaker 3: on this police officer who is protecting his.
Speaker 1: Community eminent apprehension of grievous bodily harm or death right.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you reasonably believe that your life is
Speaker 1: in danger, then you're entitle to use deadly force.
Speaker 3: That's the law. Yeah, that's pretty simple. That is what
Speaker 3: the law says. And that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, any any understanding about where this firearm came. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's an eighteen year old kid carrying at clock twenty
Speaker 1: three with an extended mag and I guess I can
Speaker 1: understand parents being upset about their their son being killed,
Speaker 1: But the idea that you would go and kill an
Speaker 1: unrelated sheriff's deputy over this just is kind of mind
Speaker 1: boggling when you have to look at the circumstances. Your
Speaker 1: kid was running around with a firearm and wasn't even
Speaker 1: lawfully entitled to carry one, And I suspect the thing
Speaker 1: was probably stolen. Anyway, I'll hold your comment and thought
Speaker 1: on that, Ken, because we're out of time in this segment,
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Speaker 1: Terms with FOP President Ken Kober talking about the officer
Speaker 1: involved shooting with Ryan Hinton which led to his father
Speaker 1: murdering Deputy Larry Henderson, who had no connection with the
Speaker 1: officer involved shooting. High tension situations, stolen vehicle. Ryan Hinton,
Speaker 1: the late one of four kids in the stolen vehicle,
Speaker 1: ran from police officers. Ryan of course had the firearm
Speaker 1: in his hand, as we know, body of camera foota
Speaker 1: our body video from the Sheriff's deputies proved that that
Speaker 1: was indeed the case, and as kenn has pointed out,
Speaker 1: you don't have to have the gun directly aim with
Speaker 1: the melon of the police officer. If you have an
Speaker 1: eminent apper a reasonable eminent apprehension of reasonable bodily harm
Speaker 1: or grievous bodily harm, you're allowed to use deadly force.
Speaker 1: It's the law. And of course Ken defends the officer's shooting.
Speaker 1: So Ryan Hinton's dead. How in the hell is it
Speaker 1: that an eighteen year old was carrying around a glock?
Speaker 1: And you face this kind of thing each and every
Speaker 1: day in the police department, don't you, Ken?
Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah, And that and that's something that's that's still
Speaker 3: being investigated, is how that came about. You know, there
Speaker 3: was another stolen gun in the car. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: just it's something that never should have happened, you know.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: One of the things that has been talked about is
Speaker 3: why did this kid get out of the car.
Speaker 2: And run with a gun?
Speaker 3: You know why is he's running the gun drops he
Speaker 3: drops the gun and then he picks it up anyway
Speaker 3: and then runs to the dumpsters and points.
Speaker 2: It at the cop.
Speaker 3: It's like, why did he do all these things? All
Speaker 3: he did to do is get out of the car
Speaker 3: and run. You leave the gun in the car, you know,
Speaker 3: once you drop the gun, just just leave it and run,
Speaker 3: you know, if that's what you want to do. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's that's exactly what we expect from these criminals that
Speaker 3: are stealing cars, stealing guns. Just run from the police.
Speaker 3: And this never happens. I mean, these were just fatal
Speaker 3: mistakes that were made by an eighteen year old kid
Speaker 3: that either either wasn't taught, you know, growing up, how
Speaker 3: to be a respectful human being, or he just decided
Speaker 3: to make bad decisions.
Speaker 2: You know, this is this is one of these things.
Speaker 3: Where the police are certainly you feel terrible, terrible that
Speaker 3: this happened. Yeah, you're terrible for the family that that
Speaker 3: this eighteen year old made these horrible mistakes. But it's
Speaker 3: just what it was. These were mistakes that he made
Speaker 3: that led to his death, not the police officer.
Speaker 1: And as far as the police officers concerned, what's what's
Speaker 1: the next step for the police officer.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean right now he's off on administrative leave
Speaker 3: trying to trying to process this. I've been in contact
Speaker 3: with him, and you know, it's bad enough you have
Speaker 3: to deal with the fact that you took somebody's life
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden the next day.
Speaker 2: You know, now you have.
Speaker 3: A deputy, you know that that gets murdered simply for
Speaker 3: doing his job by the same family that created this
Speaker 3: mess on Thursday. And it's just it's a tragic all around.
Speaker 3: I mean, trying to process this. You're talking to Sheriff's
Speaker 3: deep that he's talking to your city police officers that
Speaker 3: I work with, and you know, trying to process this
Speaker 3: mess right now is just it's been very, very difficult.
Speaker 1: Well and you know, as to the officer processing this,
Speaker 1: I imagine he's got to feel absolutely terrible about it.
Speaker 1: And I've got one listener out there who thinks that
Speaker 1: the reason people get into law enforcement because they want
Speaker 1: to shoot people. And I've called them out about that
Speaker 1: before and I said, absolute utter nonsense. Barber sterising if
Speaker 1: you will, but you know, speak to someone who actually
Speaker 1: thinks along those lines.
Speaker 3: Can I mean, there's just no reasoning with somebody like that.
Speaker 3: You know, having been in law enforcement for nearly twenty
Speaker 3: five years, I've been in these situations.
Speaker 2: It's terrible.
Speaker 3: Nobody nobody wants to go to work and go you
Speaker 3: know what, I feel like shooting somebody tonight. I mean,
Speaker 3: that is just that defies all sensibilities. Well, nobody wants
Speaker 3: to go through this. Nobody wants to have to live
Speaker 3: with the fact that they had to take somebody's life.
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody comes to work every day going and
Speaker 3: I hope today is just a really nice.
Speaker 2: Easy day to be able to get through. Amen. And
Speaker 2: unfortunately that just.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that On third Well, and to the extent someone
Speaker 1: actually harbors those feelings inside, they're weeded out when they
Speaker 1: go through the academy, are they not?
Speaker 2: Without a doubt?
Speaker 3: I mean, you have a psychological exam that's roughly three
Speaker 3: hundred question psychological.
Speaker 2: Evaluation that you take, and then you go meet with.
Speaker 3: A psychiatrist that will evaluate the questions that you answered,
Speaker 3: how you answered them. And then you have a face
Speaker 3: to face fifteen to twenty minute interview with a psychiatrist
Speaker 3: that evaluates your body language, all of these things, what
Speaker 3: you say, how you're saying it, to determine whether or
Speaker 3: not you seem like you would be somebody that would
Speaker 3: be fit to do this job.
Speaker 1: Oh, and I take great comfort in knowing that. And finally,
Speaker 1: before we part company, Ken Cover and I appreciate your
Speaker 1: time today. Any word out there, I mean, do the
Speaker 1: police follow social media and anticipation of something like this,
Speaker 1: leading to what we've seen before. In spite of the
Speaker 1: facts and circumstances, people will nonetheless take to the streets
Speaker 1: and protest police behavior, like Black Lives Matter, for example.
Speaker 1: Any rumblings out there in the world about that potential.
Speaker 3: You know, we've had investigators that have been monitoring social
Speaker 3: media and all these things all weekend and they're you know,
Speaker 3: we've had death threats that hey, it's time to go
Speaker 3: kill some more cops, and you know, it appears that
Speaker 3: for the most part, this has just been a bunch
Speaker 3: of keyboard warriors that are you know, no doubt, I
Speaker 3: get it. They're probably grieving too. There's some of them
Speaker 3: that are just there for nefarious reasons that could give
Speaker 3: two hoots about whether you know, it's the hitting family
Speaker 3: or the police that just want to try to stir
Speaker 3: up a mess. Yeah, but there's really so far, I mean,
Speaker 3: there hasn't been anything that's been credible, but it's certainly
Speaker 3: something that you know, we've been monitoring just to make
Speaker 3: sure that you know, the city is safe, that the
Speaker 3: county is safe, all the citizens that are here.
Speaker 2: So there hasn't been anything terribly credible.
Speaker 3: Yet hopefully everybody decides to grief peacefully. But yeah, so far,
Speaker 3: I think everything's kind of been okay.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll pray that the situation remains calm and collected
Speaker 1: and people approach it exactly the way that you pointed out. Ken.
Speaker 1: I don't envy you and your job at this point
Speaker 1: in time, but I appreciate your willingness to talk to
Speaker 1: my listeners about the situation on behalf of all of
Speaker 1: my listening audience, and I speak with the exception of one.
Speaker 1: Apparently we all support you and appreciate what you do
Speaker 1: each and every day, putting your lives on the line
Speaker 1: for the safety of the community. And thank you for
Speaker 1: doing so.
Speaker 2: All right, Brian, thanks for having me my.
Speaker 1: Pleasure, Ken, take care. It's six forty eight to fifty
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