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<v Speaker 1>Carsee the talk station BRN time is always pleased to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome with the fifty five Carsy Morning Show, and I

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<v Speaker 1>wish we had a lust depressing moment a topic to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about with FOP President Ken Kobert. Ken, welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the morning show. It's good to have you on.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, good morning, Brian, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Somber, just heart wrenching reality that this Rodney Hinton junior guy,

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<v Speaker 1>the father of the eighteen year old who was carrying

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<v Speaker 1>a glock twenty three forty calib with an extended magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>lost his life and at police shootout, Deputy Larry Henderson

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<v Speaker 1>was intentionally targeted apparently by this Rodney Hinton junior guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Your reaction, Ken, I know this has got to be emotional,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just how does it hit you as a

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<v Speaker 1>police officer and an FOP resident or representative.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a terrible nightmare. I just won't go away.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's been on the heart of all the

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement officers, you know, as we deal with YO

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on. You have talked to many deputies that

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<v Speaker 3>are friends of mine, and it's just it's a terrible situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrible understatement. And I know that's how you got a

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<v Speaker 1>phrase that Deputy Larry Henderson had nothing at all to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the hint and shooting Diddy.

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<v Speaker 3>No, nothing, you know, deputy that just retired a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of months ago, that it was decided to continue to

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<v Speaker 3>serve the community as a special deputy. And it was

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<v Speaker 3>literally just uh, you know, running a traffic light for

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<v Speaker 3>UC's graduation had nothing to do with this whole situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And the it was the Cincinni Police Department who were

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the investigation that's still in vehicle which ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>led to Ryan Hinton's death.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So he killed a sheriff's deputy, so not even the

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<v Speaker 1>same uniform as the organization that was involved in his

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<v Speaker 1>son's death.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I mean, this was just pure evil that wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to target a police officer because his eighteen year old

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<v Speaker 3>son decided to make some terrible decisions that cost him

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<v Speaker 3>his life.

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<v Speaker 2>You forced the police officer.

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<v Speaker 3>To take his life, and because of that, he decided

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<v Speaker 3>that the retribution was to find the first cop that

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<v Speaker 3>he had the opportunity to kill.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's pure evil, is all it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, And with all the witnesses and evidence there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a question in my mind he's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>found guilty. But turning back to the shooting, who did

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<v Speaker 1>And I know you had commented before the video was

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<v Speaker 1>released that the video was going to, you know, provide

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<v Speaker 1>pretty clear information that it was a justifiable shooting, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know Police Chief three Teresa Thiji says it was justified.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a little disappointed that it wasn't more evident

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<v Speaker 1>that the gun was pointed at the officer. Are we

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<v Speaker 1>missing some details on that the shooting incident?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, here's the bottom line.

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<v Speaker 3>You have these body cameras that and I went to

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<v Speaker 3>recently to a class that talks about body cameras and

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<v Speaker 3>what their capabilities are. That lends in these body cameras

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<v Speaker 3>and these acts on body cameras, the lens cost a

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<v Speaker 3>total of eight cents.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really no surprise when.

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<v Speaker 3>You talk about somebody that's wearing a camera that is

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<v Speaker 3>running as well as a suspect that's running, that it's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to capture everything.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a surprise. It was blurry at some point

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<v Speaker 2>in society.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got to get back to we're going to believe

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<v Speaker 3>what a police officer says an officer that is sworn

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<v Speaker 3>to take an oath that is the epitome of integrity.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got to start believing that if this officer says

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<v Speaker 3>this just because it's not captured because the video is blurry,

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<v Speaker 3>when are we going to decide that we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>believe what a police officer says instead of saying, well,

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<v Speaker 3>if it's not on camera, if it's not so clear

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<v Speaker 3>on this camera what happened, then we're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>believe that it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we have to get back to in society.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and the other component is people fail to put

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<v Speaker 1>themselves in the position of a police officer. And that

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<v Speaker 1>officer was aware because if I got the detail is right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can correct me if I'm wrong, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get up and get bad information out there. Ken,

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<v Speaker 1>But the radio was on and going back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>among the officers. He was told in advance the kid

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<v Speaker 1>had a firearm on him. Correct, so he's gonna you

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<v Speaker 1>can sorry, No, I'm just kidding. So he's on alert

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<v Speaker 1>the kid. The kid's got a gun for God's take.

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<v Speaker 1>My life is in peril and the community's lives in peril.

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<v Speaker 1>My other officer's lives may be in peril. So you

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<v Speaker 1>got a heightened sense of awareness and adrenaline flowing and

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<v Speaker 1>concern that coming around that dumpster is a kid with

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<v Speaker 1>a gun.

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<v Speaker 3>You can hear that on the body camera. You can

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<v Speaker 3>hear the other officer yelling he's got a gun. He's

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<v Speaker 3>got a gun. He's got a gun. He's on your right,

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<v Speaker 3>so that that can all be heard on the audio,

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<v Speaker 3>and this police officer is simply trying to protect the community.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no question as to whether this guy had a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The only question is and there's no question that he

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<v Speaker 3>was armed. There's no question he ran with a gun.

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<v Speaker 3>The question is, well, it doesn't show on the video

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<v Speaker 3>specifically that that he pointed it at him. But when

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<v Speaker 3>you watch the video, if you slow it down, you

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<v Speaker 3>can see you know where the officer or or where

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<v Speaker 3>the suspect is, what he's doing, and in fact, he

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<v Speaker 3>was shot in the chest. Now, I don't know in

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<v Speaker 3>what world people live, but if you shoot someone in

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<v Speaker 3>the chest, it's hard to say that they were running

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<v Speaker 3>away from you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's point, that's that's the reality.

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<v Speaker 3>He was shot twice, once in the chest. The second

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<v Speaker 3>time was in his arm that went through his chest.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, the other component is in that situation,

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<v Speaker 1>he's brandishing a firearm and I mean it only takes

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<v Speaker 1>us a moment's time for that firearm and then the

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<v Speaker 1>pointing directly the police officer and in your in. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a situational awareness kind of thing. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>you have to be in a position to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to defend and protect yourself and if you're that far

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<v Speaker 1>away from it's not like you pull a taser out

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<v Speaker 1>and tase the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's nothing that says you when a police

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<v Speaker 3>officer used deadly force that they have to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they have to have you know, been shot at or

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<v Speaker 3>anything like that. All it says, constitution says, and what

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<v Speaker 3>our rules, if you will, of engagement say is that

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<v Speaker 3>you have to believe that your life or the life

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<v Speaker 3>of another is in danger. That's exactly what that officer did.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an officer has a lot of experience. That's a

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<v Speaker 3>fantastic police officer that in that time he thought that

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<v Speaker 3>his life was in danger and he did exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>he should have done. And instead of you know, these

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<v Speaker 3>community members that are all up in arms about this,

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<v Speaker 3>instead of them going did this officer act reasonable?

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<v Speaker 2>Which is absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 3>The blame should be put on this eighteen year old

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<v Speaker 3>kid that's running from a stolen car with a gun

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<v Speaker 3>that decided to make a decision that forced this officer

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<v Speaker 3>to take his life. That's where the blame is, not

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<v Speaker 3>on this police officer who is protecting his.

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<v Speaker 1>Community eminent apprehension of grievous bodily harm or death right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you reasonably believe that your life is

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<v Speaker 1>in danger, then you're entitle to use deadly force.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the law. Yeah, that's pretty simple. That is what

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<v Speaker 3>the law says. And that's exactly what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, any any understanding about where this firearm came. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's an eighteen year old kid carrying at clock twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three with an extended mag and I guess I can

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<v Speaker 1>understand parents being upset about their their son being killed,

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<v Speaker 1>But the idea that you would go and kill an

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<v Speaker 1>unrelated sheriff's deputy over this just is kind of mind

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<v Speaker 1>boggling when you have to look at the circumstances. Your

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<v Speaker 1>kid was running around with a firearm and wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>lawfully entitled to carry one, And I suspect the thing

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<v Speaker 1>was probably stolen. Anyway, I'll hold your comment and thought

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<v Speaker 1>Terms with FOP President Ken Kober talking about the officer

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<v Speaker 1>involved shooting with Ryan Hinton which led to his father

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<v Speaker 1>murdering Deputy Larry Henderson, who had no connection with the

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<v Speaker 1>officer involved shooting. High tension situations, stolen vehicle. Ryan Hinton,

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<v Speaker 1>the late one of four kids in the stolen vehicle,

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<v Speaker 1>ran from police officers. Ryan of course had the firearm

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<v Speaker 1>in his hand, as we know, body of camera foota

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<v Speaker 1>our body video from the Sheriff's deputies proved that that

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<v Speaker 1>was indeed the case, and as kenn has pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to have the gun directly aim with

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<v Speaker 1>the melon of the police officer. If you have an

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<v Speaker 1>eminent apper a reasonable eminent apprehension of reasonable bodily harm

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<v Speaker 1>or grievous bodily harm, you're allowed to use deadly force.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the law. And of course Ken defends the officer's shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>So Ryan Hinton's dead. How in the hell is it

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<v Speaker 1>that an eighteen year old was carrying around a glock?

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<v Speaker 1>And you face this kind of thing each and every

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<v Speaker 1>day in the police department, don't you, Ken?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure? Yeah, And that and that's something that's that's still

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<v Speaker 3>being investigated, is how that came about. You know, there

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<v Speaker 3>was another stolen gun in the car. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just it's something that never should have happened, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that has been talked about is

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<v Speaker 3>why did this kid get out of the car.

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<v Speaker 2>And run with a gun?

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<v Speaker 3>You know why is he's running the gun drops he

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<v Speaker 3>drops the gun and then he picks it up anyway

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<v Speaker 3>and then runs to the dumpsters and points.

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<v Speaker 2>It at the cop.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, why did he do all these things? All

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<v Speaker 3>he did to do is get out of the car

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<v Speaker 3>and run. You leave the gun in the car, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>once you drop the gun, just just leave it and run,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if that's what you want to do. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's exactly what we expect from these criminals that

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<v Speaker 3>are stealing cars, stealing guns. Just run from the police.

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<v Speaker 3>And this never happens. I mean, these were just fatal

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<v Speaker 3>mistakes that were made by an eighteen year old kid

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is this is one of these things.

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<v Speaker 3>Where the police are certainly you feel terrible, terrible that

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<v Speaker 3>this eighteen year old made these horrible mistakes. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>just what it was. These were mistakes that he made

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<v Speaker 3>that led to his death, not the police officer.

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<v Speaker 1>And as far as the police officers concerned, what's what's

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<v Speaker 1>the next step for the police officer.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean right now he's off on administrative leave

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<v Speaker 3>trying to trying to process this. I've been in contact

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<v Speaker 3>with him, and you know, it's bad enough you have

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<v Speaker 3>and then all of a sudden the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, now you have.

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<v Speaker 3>A deputy, you know that that gets murdered simply for

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<v Speaker 3>mess on Thursday. And it's just it's a tragic all around.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, trying to process this. You're talking to Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 3>deep that he's talking to your city police officers that

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<v Speaker 3>I work with, and you know, trying to process this

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<v Speaker 1>Well and you know, as to the officer processing this,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine he's got to feel absolutely terrible about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've got one listener out there who thinks that

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<v Speaker 1>the reason people get into law enforcement because they want

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<v Speaker 1>to shoot people. And I've called them out about that

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<v Speaker 1>before and I said, absolute utter nonsense. Barber sterising if

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<v Speaker 1>you will, but you know, speak to someone who actually

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<v Speaker 3>Can I mean, there's just no reasoning with somebody like that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, having been in law enforcement for nearly twenty

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<v Speaker 2>It's terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody nobody wants to go to work and go you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, I feel like shooting somebody tonight. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that is just that defies all sensibilities. Well, nobody wants

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<v Speaker 3>with the fact that they had to take somebody's life.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, everybody comes to work every day going and

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<v Speaker 3>I hope today is just a really nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Easy day to be able to get through. Amen. And

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately that just.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't that On third Well, and to the extent someone

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<v Speaker 1>actually harbors those feelings inside, they're weeded out when they

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<v Speaker 1>go through the academy, are they not?

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<v Speaker 2>Without a doubt?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you have a psychological exam that's roughly three

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<v Speaker 3>hundred question psychological.

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<v Speaker 2>Evaluation that you take, and then you go meet with.

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<v Speaker 3>A psychiatrist that will evaluate the questions that you answered,

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<v Speaker 3>how you answered them. And then you have a face

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<v Speaker 3>to face fifteen to twenty minute interview with a psychiatrist

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<v Speaker 3>that evaluates your body language, all of these things, what

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<v Speaker 3>you say, how you're saying it, to determine whether or

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<v Speaker 3>not you seem like you would be somebody that would

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<v Speaker 3>be fit to do this job.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, and I take great comfort in knowing that. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>before we part company, Ken Cover and I appreciate your

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<v Speaker 1>time today. Any word out there, I mean, do the

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<v Speaker 1>police follow social media and anticipation of something like this,

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<v Speaker 1>leading to what we've seen before. In spite of the

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<v Speaker 1>facts and circumstances, people will nonetheless take to the streets

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<v Speaker 1>and protest police behavior, like Black Lives Matter, for example.

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<v Speaker 1>Any rumblings out there in the world about that potential.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we've had investigators that have been monitoring social

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<v Speaker 3>media and all these things all weekend and they're you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we've had death threats that hey, it's time to go

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<v Speaker 3>kill some more cops, and you know, it appears that

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<v Speaker 3>for the most part, this has just been a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of keyboard warriors that are you know, no doubt, I

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<v Speaker 3>get it. They're probably grieving too. There's some of them

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<v Speaker 3>that are just there for nefarious reasons that could give

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<v Speaker 3>two hoots about whether you know, it's the hitting family

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<v Speaker 3>or the police that just want to try to stir

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<v Speaker 3>up a mess. Yeah, but there's really so far, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>there hasn't been anything that's been credible, but it's certainly

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<v Speaker 3>something that you know, we've been monitoring just to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that you know, the city is safe, that the

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<v Speaker 3>county is safe, all the citizens that are here.

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<v Speaker 2>So there hasn't been anything terribly credible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet hopefully everybody decides to grief peacefully. But yeah, so far,

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<v Speaker 3>I think everything's kind of been okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll pray that the situation remains calm and collected

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<v Speaker 1>and people approach it exactly the way that you pointed out. Ken.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't envy you and your job at this point

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<v Speaker 1>in time, but I appreciate your willingness to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>my listeners about the situation on behalf of all of

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<v Speaker 1>my listening audience, and I speak with the exception of one.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently we all support you and appreciate what you do

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<v Speaker 1>each and every day, putting your lives on the line

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<v Speaker 1>for the safety of the community. And thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Brian, thanks for having me my.

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<v Speaker 1>Pleasure, Ken, take care. It's six forty eight to fifty

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