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Speaker 2: yeah uh we oh my god. Producer Gary had a
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Speaker 1: I love when you have like a like a Fates crossroads,
Speaker 1: like when the the guy beats the devil at a
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he doesn't though, did he? No, he doesn't.
Speaker 2: He beats the devil at anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tenacious D beat the devil.
Speaker 2: I beat the devil at having the sweatiest butt crack
Speaker 2: one time.
Speaker 3: See you beat the devil. That's that's three people that
Speaker 3: have beaten the devil.
Speaker 2: Does that count though, Yes, because I I I use
Speaker 2: that as an expression like that's hotter than the devil's
Speaker 2: butt crack out here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the weather beat the devil too.
Speaker 3: Here's devil a bitch, everybody beats him.
Speaker 2: Two things. Two things. First thing, okay, uh, we're going
Speaker 2: back to our roots tomorrow on Commander Cookout. You better
Speaker 2: freaking tune in because it's gonna be I'm feeling I
Speaker 2: have a feeling that it's gonna be a passionate episode.
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk shit.
Speaker 2: This is how I know. This is how I know.
Speaker 2: Tell me, I says Rando, I don't think we could
Speaker 2: talk about that for an hour? Is it just gonna
Speaker 2: be two nerds bitching into the internet?
Speaker 3: Like that's literally what he says.
Speaker 2: Is that what it's going to be? Like?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And he goes, no, we're gonna do this and this
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Speaker 2: So then I shows up into the damn studio today
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just in preparation for the show that we weren't
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, and and uh, I don't remember
Speaker 2: what the original second thing was gonna be, but the
Speaker 2: new second thing is gonna be man Alive. Are there
Speaker 2: gonna be some giveaway booster packs from this stinky c
Speaker 2: CEO onion bag at the Face to Face Games Open
Speaker 2: next week? Good lord, Yeah, I'm gonna have so much
Speaker 2: bullshit to give away. I'm gonna be giveaway sleeves and dice,
Speaker 2: booster packs, stickers and pre cons and charity stuff because
Speaker 2: man Alive it's going down. We got the okay to
Speaker 2: not only run the trash anti Commander Tournament through the
Speaker 2: Face to Face Open or tour stop. Give them the
Speaker 2: website tact MTG dot com.
Speaker 3: T act MTG.
Speaker 2: You can go and learn the rules, and there's a
Speaker 2: link to the Face to Face Games where you can
Speaker 2: go and register. You can pre register and you can
Speaker 2: have your deck uploaded online. If you don't, you can
Speaker 2: register at the event and you pay four event voutures
Speaker 2: like like you can you can literally buy a Commander
Speaker 2: package expecting to play commander and trade your event voutures
Speaker 2: in to play in the charity tournament, and doing that
Speaker 2: even donates to charity.
Speaker 3: It's important.
Speaker 2: How cool is that?
Speaker 3: It's super super cool.
Speaker 1: But this is important because trash Ante has a hard
Speaker 1: and fast rule. Your deck has to be worth less
Speaker 1: than fifty bucks, yes, based on the least expensive printing
Speaker 1: of any one card that's present in your deck.
Speaker 3: And you have to have a deck list to prove it.
Speaker 1: So I would say, if you're gonna just show up,
Speaker 1: I would have your deck list registered already.
Speaker 2: I put I built a deck or deck stats or Maxfield, right.
Speaker 3: I built my deck for last year.
Speaker 1: I built two of them to see and when I
Speaker 1: went in to make sure that my deck for this
Speaker 1: year was still good, it wasn't. So I had to
Speaker 1: make some changes because some of the some of the
Speaker 1: values went up. Bello that I'm going to give to
Speaker 1: you if you fucking show up and don't have a deck,
Speaker 1: it's still good. But the other one, the secret one,
Speaker 1: the one you would you will never expect me to
Speaker 1: play this one.
Speaker 2: I don't expect anything from.
Speaker 3: You, not anything, not anything.
Speaker 2: Well like one thing ever, Yeah, what is it? I don't.
Speaker 2: It's like three pop cans stacked on top of each other. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like those all going down your throat, like those little
Speaker 2: explain any of that further.
Speaker 1: I'm like those little kegs with Don Cherry's sweater on them.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, like one of those home kegs of Heineken.
Speaker 2: We got a self tap Uncle Brando's self tap and porium.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's Yeah, he's like a wacky inflatable arm flailing
Speaker 2: tube man with a keg of Heineken on the end
Speaker 2: of it. Oh my god, can you imagine that?
Speaker 1: No wind storm and a bunch of those a bunch
Speaker 1: of what windstorms?
Speaker 2: Oh, we were thinking about something different, Yes, you were.
Speaker 1: Thinking wind sock.
Speaker 3: I was thinking when storm?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: So flood of your yard and your son's swam in it.
Speaker 2: As everybody here swimming and flooding. There was swimming and flooding.
Speaker 2: H don't google that.
Speaker 1: No, that's fine that you can google that one. Swimming
Speaker 1: and flooding in Saskatchewan. People are gonna yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: What I was going to say about the about the
Speaker 2: whole trash anti thing is is, yes, have have your
Speaker 2: deck registered on Moxfield or architect or whatever. I advocated
Speaker 2: a little bit for some leniency and and what are
Speaker 2: we going to do when people show up? Didn't know
Speaker 2: that this was a thing like random face to face
Speaker 2: goers might come and say, Hey, I want to do this,
Speaker 2: I want to donate to charity, I want to play
Speaker 2: in command, or I want to win prizes, but I
Speaker 2: only have this deck. I would turn people away. This
Speaker 2: is what I was advocating for, is what happens when
Speaker 2: this happens.
Speaker 1: I would love to be the face to face guy
Speaker 1: that built the if you just show up to play
Speaker 1: decks out of the bulk that face to face has.
Speaker 2: Because I'm going to do you one better.
Speaker 1: And I could speak to to this like because Aiden
Speaker 1: and Alex and I and g off all built decks
Speaker 1: like that were excessively functional. Five klamarown Je Lennard as
Speaker 1: well built decks that are really really, really good. It's
Speaker 1: just trash, like I think that people think of trash
Speaker 1: and oh they're gonna play a bunch of shitty comments
Speaker 1: and your decks are going to suck.
Speaker 3: Fuck No, there's turn three decks, there's Turn four decks.
Speaker 2: It's very very actually, actually, Jared sink I actually asked me,
Speaker 2: can I do this and this and this, And he
Speaker 2: showed me a combo where it's like a lands deck
Speaker 2: that had ninety some lands in it. And I said,
Speaker 2: a guy did exactly this deck last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but here it was all but here's the key.
Speaker 1: That deck didn't work.
Speaker 2: He got pounded. Yeah, absolutely pounded.
Speaker 1: It did not work the way that he thought it did.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll tell you something though. One of the things
Speaker 2: we talked about and and this is this is kind
Speaker 2: of just a t anty organizational thing. I hope people
Speaker 2: find it interesting because it actually ended up being funny
Speaker 2: and it shows the strength of our local community and
Speaker 2: how we're willing to collaborate and build ideas. And we
Speaker 2: do this lots where we build on each other's ideas
Speaker 2: to make a better end user experience or listener experience. Right.
Speaker 3: So I've been here for eight years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we said, what if somebody shows up and,
Speaker 2: like you said, bellow or whatever, you have to swap
Speaker 2: some cards out or sure the maximum dollar value that
Speaker 2: a card is worth. There's a card in your deck
Speaker 2: that supersedes that. You've got a five dollars card, your
Speaker 2: commander's six dollars. You got to swap it out whatever, right,
Speaker 2: my deck's forty one dollars. I got to cut this card.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, So we are going to be bringing bulk
Speaker 2: and trash for you to swap cards out of your
Speaker 2: deck for at the registration table. And we were even
Speaker 2: brainstormed names last minute led, last minute legends, the swap shop,
Speaker 2: the clutch, the clutch crate, the bulk bench, oh the
Speaker 2: bull like bulk bench, like the trash tank. Oh man,
Speaker 2: I like the swap shop, I said, fucking legendary. This
Speaker 2: is exactly what we needed. This is last minute legends,
Speaker 2: oh a man. And then Mona White Angel Aaron like
Speaker 2: took it a step further and he named a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of new ones. What the fuck did he say?
Speaker 2: It's like so many good ones where I'm not even
Speaker 2: gonna read them because you have to show up and
Speaker 2: find out. But there was all these ideas of what
Speaker 2: we can do and who can contribute and and what
Speaker 2: do we have to do so when people show up
Speaker 2: they can just play. And part of that is make
Speaker 2: it easy and accessible and and have and fun. Well
Speaker 2: well even before the fun, have cash or credit options,
Speaker 2: make sure that you can pay with event vouchers. You
Speaker 2: have them Anyways, if you're registered in the Face to
Speaker 2: Face event, Yeah, okay, you've registered. Oh my deck doesn't work, well,
Speaker 2: good thing for you. We got the trash tank. Go
Speaker 2: pick some cards and your colors and fucking make your
Speaker 2: deck work right. And and there's people who volunteered at
Speaker 2: registration last year that are unsleeve your shit.
Speaker 3: That's important, unslaving crap and let's do it.
Speaker 2: There's people who volunteered last year that are willing to
Speaker 2: sit down with people and say, oh, yeah, this isn't
Speaker 2: gonna work, or let's do this, or this is the
Speaker 2: card here, let's find something help you build your deck right.
Speaker 2: And that's the kind of thing that it takes to
Speaker 2: not only make an event successful, but to build a
Speaker 2: culture and to build like a foundation for a community.
Speaker 2: And that's the kind of shit that we do.
Speaker 3: And it's unique.
Speaker 1: This is an event that you're only going to get
Speaker 1: to play at Face to Face Saskatoon, not this weekend
Speaker 1: that happened two days ago, but this weekend that's coming
Speaker 1: up in four days. So if you haven't planned to
Speaker 1: come the Saskatoon you should, you should because it's the
Speaker 1: only opportunity you get to play in this insane event.
Speaker 2: Oh man, it was.
Speaker 3: If you want to see somebody.
Speaker 1: Show up with a condom with a bunch of cards
Speaker 1: in it, I wonder, now, matime make for a good death?
Speaker 2: Blok.
Speaker 1: We're gonna find out that gonna be your death blok.
Speaker 3: I haven't said anything.
Speaker 2: Just a magnum, just a big frickin' balloon.
Speaker 1: With a little bit of shit at the end of it.
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in that.
Speaker 1: Brando whire cards all crossed together.
Speaker 3: Shut up, shut up, shut up.
Speaker 2: That was yesterday's news.
Speaker 1: That that was this morning's headline. That's right, I said it.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I played eight games imagine last night, yep,
Speaker 1: and I won five.
Speaker 2: That's a six to twenty five win percentage that.
Speaker 1: I would make lots of money in the MLB with
Speaker 1: an average like that.
Speaker 2: I absolutely I've never experienced that before.
Speaker 1: Have you.
Speaker 2: I wanted to say, get better at magic, but if
Speaker 2: you won six twenty five percent of your games, get
Speaker 2: worse at magic?
Speaker 3: Like in three and a half hours, could you imagine.
Speaker 2: Did you just pound? Did you just pound? And the
Speaker 2: game was over?
Speaker 1: Every game was like that, and with the except I'm
Speaker 1: gonna all sympathies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't toot your own horn. Here.
Speaker 1: All sympathies to our our buddy Ben. He was the
Speaker 1: only one who didn't get to do the thing in
Speaker 1: eight games. He did the thing two or three times.
Speaker 1: You always hear about that.
Speaker 2: Right, We're like, yeah, we're gonna.
Speaker 1: Play a Commander game as long as everybody's deck kind
Speaker 1: of does the thing and then the game's over.
Speaker 3: We've all kind of got the victory. We had fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we did that eight times in a row.
Speaker 1: But like every game was over by turn six. It
Speaker 1: was like land something lands something lands something lands something
Speaker 1: lands something lands bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb
Speaker 1: Die Die, Die die.
Speaker 3: It was amazing. It was fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what is Is that better than and
Speaker 2: I guess it's a matter of opinion. This is truly
Speaker 2: a matter of opinion. And this is one of the
Speaker 2: things that's hard for the Commander community to kind of
Speaker 2: get their head around as a as a whole. Is
Speaker 2: if you can play eight games, and and that's a
Speaker 2: lot of games, eight games and hours. Even if we
Speaker 2: said six games, that would still be a lot of games.
Speaker 2: We eight and if you have six to eight games
Speaker 2: in three hours, or you have two or two and
Speaker 2: a half games in three hours.
Speaker 3: Which we've also done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, both are fine, and both are both could be
Speaker 2: an expectation, really yeah, both could. Like, that's the range.
Speaker 2: You've got three hours, you play two or three games
Speaker 2: or six to eight games. Yeah, both of those are
Speaker 2: the expectation. That's the range. What side of the slider
Speaker 2: do you land on?
Speaker 3: That's tricky.
Speaker 2: I like landing on the two to three game side
Speaker 2: of the slider because to me, that's a little bit
Speaker 2: of a better story. That gives everybody a little bit
Speaker 2: of a better chance to do the thing politic jostle
Speaker 2: for position, win or sorry, almost win or almost lose,
Speaker 2: and then come back or get pounded. It gives everybody
Speaker 2: the opportunity to experience the entire gambit of what Commander
Speaker 2: as a format has to offer. Eight games in three
Speaker 2: hours doesn't always do that.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, there was a a couple of them were
Speaker 1: certainly like, Okay, if you guys play a spell take eight, oh,
Speaker 1: turn four, ruin Nation, there's one land that isn't mine
Speaker 1: left and everybody scooped.
Speaker 2: You were a piece of trash. Oh so there was
Speaker 2: a scoop game. There was a scoop game. Okay, there
Speaker 2: was and there was two school. Hold on, hold on,
Speaker 2: this is the other thing I was going to say,
Speaker 2: tack this onto what I said, okay, before you started
Speaker 2: telling your ruination story. Also, different players are gonna like
Speaker 2: different parts of the game more. I kind of like
Speaker 2: untapping best my turn, best turn ye turn two is like,
Speaker 2: oh fuck, what am I gonna get to do? Right?
Speaker 2: And it's like land sol ring go right. Some people
Speaker 2: like that. I also like going my turn, best turn
Speaker 2: on turn ten and it's like untap my ten lands
Speaker 2: and play a thing and cascade, tick up my planes, walker,
Speaker 2: do all the bullshit right. So different players are gonna
Speaker 2: like different things.
Speaker 3: We had the ruination game was exactly what I said
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: It was like noorn, PingER, PingER, PingER.
Speaker 3: Something else. Like the game was over before our ruination.
Speaker 3: It was very over after.
Speaker 1: We also had a game that I had, And again,
Speaker 1: this is another one of the ones that I want.
Speaker 2: You're playing with mature players to know that they're not
Speaker 2: gonna be able to come back. Yes, and they're okay
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: And they're okay, let's go to the next game. And
Speaker 1: this is illustrating how big a piece of trash I am.
Speaker 1: I had the jinga taxes that flips over into a
Speaker 1: saga and it draws the cards, draws cards equal to
Speaker 1: the number of cards in your hand.
Speaker 2: We've done a deck on that guy before. That was
Speaker 2: an all killer, no Philler, Miller Aiden.
Speaker 1: Deck, then some kind of horseshit in the middle, and
Speaker 1: then you can play all the cards in your head
Speaker 1: for free and then flip it over. And I had
Speaker 1: a thing that represented ka, I'm gonna do this four times,
Speaker 1: and they were like, wait what And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna I'm gonna draw eighteen cards and
Speaker 1: then play nine of them.
Speaker 3: Then I'm gonna do it again.
Speaker 2: And they were like, okay, yep, this is the universe.
Speaker 2: That's the universal sign for next game.
Speaker 3: We'll just do it again.
Speaker 2: But it is not even a clap hey, it's just like.
Speaker 3: A but that's the thing. Other than those, It's almost
Speaker 3: like we all showed up.
Speaker 2: To do that though, because like other people get to
Speaker 2: do that kind of thing. Also, yes, okay.
Speaker 1: That's the thing because matters because lots of the time,
Speaker 1: and it was like okay, well, yeah, let's scoop it up.
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, I was gonna win on my
Speaker 1: turn and you hear that all the time. Oh, on
Speaker 1: my turn, my turn was gonna be so good, but
Speaker 1: it was so often like, oh, yeah, I was gonna win.
Speaker 3: I was going to lock you down.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the mark of a good game.
Speaker 1: So we have like eight really fast, really great games
Speaker 1: of Commander that were just Yes, that was so fucking cool,
Speaker 1: and I haven't had that happen in a long time.
Speaker 2: That's the mark of a good game is Oh, it's
Speaker 2: a good thing you killed me because on my turn
Speaker 2: I was going to do this. I was gonna blow
Speaker 2: you out. That's not necessarily a case of still had
Speaker 2: all these right, Yeah, it's it's a case of yep,
Speaker 2: you either went before me or during your soul ring
Speaker 2: or that one land that you got to search for
Speaker 2: because some bullshit that happened. That's what did it.
Speaker 1: When I chaos warped your thing and you happened to
Speaker 1: get a land off of it and then use that
Speaker 1: land to win, well.
Speaker 2: Shit, that's exactly it. And I like magic.
Speaker 3: I like that skin of the Teeth variance. I like
Speaker 3: that ship.
Speaker 2: If you like that ship, I remember, I like the
Speaker 2: skin of another kind.
Speaker 1: What no, that's buffalo Bill.
Speaker 2: We all knew what he was talking about. Cannibal is Yeah,
Speaker 2: so tomorrow on COMANDIC five O four. Yeah, we're talking
Speaker 2: about universes beyond.
Speaker 3: We're in the darkest timeline, folks.
Speaker 2: We are in of all the universes that we could
Speaker 2: all live in, we are in this one. And it's
Speaker 2: the one that we were warned about.
Speaker 3: And we even said probably won't happen. But it kind
Speaker 3: of has.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's as bad as people thought
Speaker 1: it was gonna.
Speaker 2: It isn't. But which raises the question, are we actually
Speaker 2: in that timeline? Then?
Speaker 3: Yes, oh, okay, yes we are. We certainly are.
Speaker 1: And it's not gonna be like a negative ship in
Speaker 1: our pants and then show everybody how much we shit
Speaker 1: in our pants show, But because I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be thoughtful and good.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna thoughtfully shit in my pants.
Speaker 3: Yes, I have thoughtfully shit in my pants many times.
Speaker 3: I just don't tell too many people.
Speaker 2: Thoughtfully shit somebody else's pants one time. Listen to Commander
Speaker 2: Cook on episode.
Speaker 1: Five, Yeah, I did the Sun's Favorite story.
Speaker 3: You want to hear it? Listen to five.
Speaker 1: It's oh five, you want to hear what we think
Speaker 1: about the current state of magic.
Speaker 2: Listen to tomorrow CE Seal five O four. He's Brando, I'm Ryan,
Speaker 2: Producer Gary somewhere over there in the dark shadows, giving
Speaker 2: us either a thumbs up or a middle finger. Can't tell.
Speaker 2: Uh oh yes, damn it hit our theme song.