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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ali. I came out after twenty years of marriage

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<v Speaker 1>and I have three kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Melissa and I have two kids, and I came

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<v Speaker 2>out at thirty seven after an eleven year marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>This podcast is about coming out later and the struggles

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<v Speaker 1>and victories that come with it.

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<v Speaker 2>When coming out feels like the end of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's really just the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the Lesbian Chronicles.

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<v Speaker 1>I am waiting to be joined by my co host Melissa.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a lot to chat about today, starting with well,

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<v Speaker 1>what a blast we had at Atlanta. Gross in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still posting pictures. They're coming in hot. Oh and

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<v Speaker 1>look who just decided to join me four minutes late

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<v Speaker 1>for the pod. It's four minutes late.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not used to opening alone, but I did it.

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<v Speaker 1>I did it because Melissa and my job. Ali.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm proud of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Melissa and I have an appointment at twelve fifteen, so

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<v Speaker 1>I knew if I didn't get on it, we'd be

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>That's taking initiative. I like it right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, anyway, I have a topic that I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get after today on aging.

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<v Speaker 4>On aging.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, this is another one of those times where

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the topic is, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, she's coming in, Okay, So let me tell you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what happened. So we have a block party

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<v Speaker 1>in my neighborhood twice a year, and we're planning the

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<v Speaker 1>block party now for April. And the women there are

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<v Speaker 1>asking me like do I want to be single? Like

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<v Speaker 1>do I wish I was in a relationship? Like just

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<v Speaker 1>asking me lots of questions. And my neighborhood's very gay,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I was going to say, are these straight women? Gay women?

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<v Speaker 1>Gay women? Mostly gay women? Actually it's half gay, half straight.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night, the planning committee is half gay, half straight,

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<v Speaker 1>all women, okay, And they're just like, you know, digging

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<v Speaker 1>in with me, like what do you you know, what's

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<v Speaker 1>your deal? Like, asking lots of questions, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>all ages we have. We run the gamut from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five to probably fifty eight in the planning committee.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're just asking questions. But anyway, the married couple,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the gay couple that have been married a long

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<v Speaker 1>long time. They're showing me pictures of when they met,

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<v Speaker 1>and I swear to God, Melissa, they looked like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two year old doe eyed girls. I mean they were

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<v Speaker 1>like baby baby girls. And now they've been together all

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<v Speaker 1>these years. They live across the street from me, they've

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<v Speaker 1>got a daughter, and they're just two married lesbians. They're

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit older than me, not much, but it

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<v Speaker 1>got me thinking about how like do you ever see

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<v Speaker 1>actors that you don't see all the time and then

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<v Speaker 1>you see them again and you're like, fuck, they got

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<v Speaker 1>old like.

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<v Speaker 2>They Actually I thought that the other day. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Hairston Ford, that's one.

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<v Speaker 1>Great example for ever Hotti Hotty Hotty in.

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<v Speaker 2>The right like back in the Star Wars day and

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<v Speaker 2>even into his gosh, he was probably in his forties

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<v Speaker 2>right doing the Fugitive totally, you know, had that like

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<v Speaker 2>rugged situation going on. And I saw him at an

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<v Speaker 2>award show the other day and I was like, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>he got old, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, do you ever worry that? Like I I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I have. I worry that. It's like I'm,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just vulnerably I'm getting older, Like I'm over

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<v Speaker 1>fifty now, I'm fifty one. I hate saying it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I do all the things I do, the

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<v Speaker 1>skin stuff, I work out, I go to yoga, I go,

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<v Speaker 1>I run, like I do all the things, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you can't stop time, like you're just and the

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<v Speaker 1>weeks are flying by. I think that's the other thing,

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<v Speaker 1>Like with this planning committee, we have two a year.

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<v Speaker 1>We just had the last one and now months have

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<v Speaker 1>blown by and we're doing the other one, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing's really changed, like I'm still here and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>to be depressing. It's more just like the time is

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<v Speaker 1>ticking by. And when I look at these other people,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, shit, they got fucking old. And here these

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<v Speaker 1>women are like asking me, like what's your plan, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>Like do you want to meet some Like what are

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to be single? Essentially is what they're

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<v Speaker 1>asking me. And the answer is no, unequivocally no. And

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I feel like it's hitting me more now.

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<v Speaker 2>You're and you're saying from the standpoint of not just

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<v Speaker 2>like physically aging.

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<v Speaker 1>But like time is faring by somebody, yeah, or just

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<v Speaker 1>like that feeling of like wow, I see how like

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<v Speaker 1>in fact they were I don't want to be set

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<v Speaker 1>up by them, Like I was laughing it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of funny, but they were like basically, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were talking about this group of women that are

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<v Speaker 1>our age that are all still single and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like it's kind of a thing like maybe you just

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<v Speaker 1>want to be single. We have all these friends that

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<v Speaker 1>are single that just don't want to ever be in

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship. But I think that is wonderful, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>not me. And then I start to wonder do they

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<v Speaker 1>really want to be single or are they just like

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<v Speaker 1>now they've accepted that that's their fate. And so I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Wonder that sometimes, like with I've met people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in their sixties and they're just like, I'm done. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to meet someone at this point right Like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, I don't expect to.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm also just fine with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it fine with it? Or is it like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like fine with it if you cook my steak wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>but I still wish I had it medium rare.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I wonder too. And I think, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like when straight women say that like I'm done,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good, they really mean it.

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<v Speaker 1>You believe it because you're like, who would want to

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<v Speaker 1>be with a man?

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<v Speaker 4>Would want to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Even my daughter says that she's like, I can do

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<v Speaker 1>it for a minute, but I can't do middle aged

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<v Speaker 1>man like, I know I'll be out, but she's just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm going to be out.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like when a straight woman says that, I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>solid makes sense.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't want to do it either, But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>With I'm like, I would want at least companionship, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that a lot of.

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<v Speaker 4>The time though too.

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<v Speaker 2>With these women, their cup is filled with so many

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<v Speaker 2>other things, you know, like they do have a good

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<v Speaker 2>community and people behind them, and you can have all

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<v Speaker 2>that hobbies and.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I think you can have all that, but is

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<v Speaker 1>that the person that's sitting at your bedside when you

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<v Speaker 1>get a terrible diagnosis, when your parent dies? Like, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the intimacy of friendship? Is that enough? And yes?

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<v Speaker 1>For many it is, like I don't I don't disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with that. I guess I just feel like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It sort of hit me. It's like keeps happening, Like

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<v Speaker 1>today my sister was talking to me about tech neck.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what tech neck is? No, Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>scared exactly. She's like, I'm getting tech neck, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck is that. And she's a little older

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<v Speaker 1>than me, but she's like, from staring at my computer,

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<v Speaker 1>you get a line across your neck, and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a line on my neck. I do too,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I can see it. I know I do, And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that's technic.

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<v Speaker 4>That's technic from looking down at your computer.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. But it's like those are That's one of

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand things that are happening as you get older.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is wild to me because turning forty, like

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard between forty.

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<v Speaker 4>To forty five is one of the times that you

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<v Speaker 4>age the most.

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<v Speaker 2>And it does feel like there's certain things where all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, like I've got this like random wrinkle and.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I didn't even see it forming no, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Or your eyes are more swollen in the morning, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>than they were before. It's like I didn't used to

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<v Speaker 1>wake up like this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This was like two years ago at Pride. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd gone out the whole weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>I had had a blast, but then by the time

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<v Speaker 4>Sunday rolled around, I was so tired.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the next day, Monday morning, I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>and my eyes were swollen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like under eyes. So it's never happened to me

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<v Speaker 4>in my existence, right And I was like, welcome to

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<v Speaker 4>forty exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying. Like it's like, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't. I feel like I'm in the best

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<v Speaker 1>physical shape of my life, Like I'm in my I'm

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<v Speaker 1>working in a way that I love. I love my job,

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<v Speaker 1>my kids are thriving right now. Like everything is hitting.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like there's anything bad happening. Everything is hitting,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just this feeling of like I'm watching and

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<v Speaker 1>then in yoga this morning, these young thirty year old women.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard one of them say, I can't believe I'm thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, you can't believe you're fucking thirty. You're

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<v Speaker 1>laying next to me, you have no idea, like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years older than her in this class, and I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's just it's just flying by. What's happening.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I told I was talking to Breckon about this recently.

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<v Speaker 4>My son. I was just like, you know, I can't

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<v Speaker 4>believe that he's eleven going on twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>Over a decade, thirteen going on fourteen. I'm like, where

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<v Speaker 2>did that time go?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 4>You guys were babies yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it because I'll talk to them about stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>they did as a baby or whatever, and they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>we feel like you're talking about a completely different person.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, you're like nostalgic. Yeah, but it makes

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<v Speaker 1>me think about, like, as we're doing the pitch, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so into. I mean, I'm loving these pitches and

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<v Speaker 1>we have people putting them together right now, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like that. The feeling I'm getting is the

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<v Speaker 1>risk that someone is willing to take to do the pitch. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not you're talking.

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<v Speaker 4>They're talking about the dating the dating pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess let's talk about that, right, I'm going to say, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So Lesbian Chronicles, we're doing this thing called the pitch,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can pitch your friend, you can pitch yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>you can do any number of things. But you're if

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<v Speaker 1>you're single and you want to meet someone and you're

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<v Speaker 1>ready to meet someone, we want to hear a pitch

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<v Speaker 1>from you, and you can go on our social media

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<v Speaker 1>and see people that have done pitches. We just launched

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<v Speaker 1>it less than a week ago, and so we have

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<v Speaker 1>pitches coming in I have people dming saying I'm about

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<v Speaker 1>for you, Like they feel nervous on camera. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to. I sat on my front porch. Took me

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen seconds to pitch the person I pitched like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's very simple. I also want to say no hard feelings,

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<v Speaker 1>like you may not meet anyone. It's a long game.

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<v Speaker 1>So you might meet someone in three weeks, in six weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>in a month, like you might just make some friends

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<v Speaker 1>that follow you. You're gonna get something out of doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>period hard stop, like something good will come of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Every pitch we've done so far, what have we done?

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<v Speaker 1>Three have had something positive come out? And one of

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, if nothing else, if nothing comes of it

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<v Speaker 1>at all, this was a fun ego boost. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I saw somebody comment on hers. They just were like

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<v Speaker 1>Do a fucking pitch. What are you scared of?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what do you have to lose nothing zero.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think people have a hard time selling

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<v Speaker 2>any anything. And also I think it's it's it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to to be like, well, what do I like, what

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<v Speaker 2>bit like if they're the kind of person that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really like to go out a lot, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>those kind of people don't want to say that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, that's me.

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<v Speaker 1>I say it all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but some people are like, oh like that. They

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it's not appealing, but it is appealing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's totally appealing. That reminds me of the thing the

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<v Speaker 1>the world, Like, those are the best people. Who wants

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<v Speaker 1>the person partying every weekend. I sure don't to me.

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<v Speaker 1>You tell me CDC dork or somebody who's super social.

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<v Speaker 1>I will take CDC dork every single time twice on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>I will literally I won't it. It's no comparison.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's also like, if you don't sell yourself, then

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<v Speaker 1>So you get your buddy to sell yourself or don't

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<v Speaker 1>look at it as selling yourself. Look at it as

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<v Speaker 1>saying what you want. So instead of getting on there

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<v Speaker 1>and being like, oh, I'm so great, just get on

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<v Speaker 1>through and be like I'm looking for a CDC dork.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, declare you.

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<v Speaker 4>Are scared of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And say what you want totally. That's that's the other

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<v Speaker 2>thing too. If you don't say what you want, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Get it totally. And let people just DM you, let

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<v Speaker 1>them follow you, let them. I mean one we did.

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<v Speaker 1>She got a somebody who DMed her, and I looked

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<v Speaker 1>at because I'm very, very invested in this one. It's Rachel,

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<v Speaker 1>So the woman they DMed, and I just looked at

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<v Speaker 1>the person to see like if this could be a match.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a fucking badass, like anybody would be lucky to

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<v Speaker 1>date her. So I'm like that, you know, maybe nothing

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<v Speaker 1>will happen, Maybe they'll be friends, maybe they'll just hang

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<v Speaker 1>out in Seattle and go out to a bar and

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<v Speaker 1>meet other people. But there is nothing bad that could

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<v Speaker 1>come from that, because these are two very cool Seattle

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<v Speaker 2>Well. And that's the other thing too, It's like you

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<v Speaker 2>never know who someone else knows.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know who someone else knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe someone DMS you and you're like, like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>feeling it. That doesn't mean you brushed that person off entirely,

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<v Speaker 2>because this could be a good new friend to have

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<v Speaker 2>that lives in your city and they might know someone.

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<v Speaker 4>You might actually know someone that's good for them exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm a connector too.

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<v Speaker 4>I am too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I am too.

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<v Speaker 2>I just had a friend or someone on Instagram reach

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<v Speaker 2>out to me say that they're kind of new to

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<v Speaker 2>the community, and I was like, wholl I know someone

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<v Speaker 2>who lives in your city. Follow them yep, And I

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<v Speaker 2>let that person know, and so yeah, like, if you

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<v Speaker 2>can think of ways to like bridge the gap with

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<v Speaker 2>people and bring people together, like do it.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody called me and said, hey, Ali, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a friend that just moved to Atlanta. She wants to

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<v Speaker 1>go to an event that I You're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>there will you meet her. I promise you I am

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<v Speaker 1>showing up and making sure that that person is completely

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of that evening. I remember when Kat joined

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<v Speaker 1>our group and we ended up at a party and

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<v Speaker 1>I waited for her to get there. I waited to

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<v Speaker 1>see her. I made sure she was introduced to everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in the room. I mean, these are common courtesies. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like we could all do this for each other and

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<v Speaker 1>make it so that you're not alone, because the truth is,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to show up at something alone either.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's one of those things that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>someone mentioned on one of our previous episodes that they

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, and I think that's just it, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like my I was trained properly and

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<v Speaker 2>how to do these like interactions socially like to be

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's like I've learned along the way that you know, like.

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<v Speaker 2>If someone comes up in the conversation, you turn towards

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<v Speaker 2>them and you bring them into the conversation. They have

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<v Speaker 2>you met so and so, Yep, It's it's just a courtesy.

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<v Speaker 4>It makes that person feel welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>It also lessens that like fear of coming up to

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<v Speaker 2>other people.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you something else that I noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>happened at Lanta Cross where we're standing in a group

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody is there having it. Somebody walks up and

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<v Speaker 1>they start having a conversation and didn't introduce me. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm standing there. I'm fine because I knew a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other people there, but I felt like it was

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<v Speaker 1>a misstep. And so even if you don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>person's name or you're scared because you're forgetting someone's name,

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<v Speaker 1>you are better off in that situation to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so embarrassed, I forget your name, tell me again,

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<v Speaker 1>and making the introduction, then standing there having a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>and not introducing the third person.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, or you just say hey, this is my friend Ali, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>or just.

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<v Speaker 1>Say half of it and let them finish, you, got it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's another way to do it. But what you don't

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<v Speaker 1>do is ignore the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, hell, I even introduced you to my best

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<v Speaker 2>friend's ex boyfriends from like ten years ago did and

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<v Speaker 2>it just because like you walked up and it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy.

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<v Speaker 4>He's one of your neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think that's it's a good mindset to

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<v Speaker 2>have as far as like you know, you're looking to.

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<v Speaker 4>Fill your cup. Yep, fill other people's cup one.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousand percent and it will come back tenfold.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you have if you want to be pitched,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe think about some a friend that could be pitched too,

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<v Speaker 2>and you guys pick each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, or just like I love how one of

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<v Speaker 1>the recent pitches. She's just like, give me a minute

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<v Speaker 1>to think about who would be a good one to

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<v Speaker 1>do for me? And then she said she's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna work on it. I'll have something tomorrow. And she

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<v Speaker 1>did versus like I don't know, like there's something so

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<v Speaker 1>badass about doing it. Don't be scared, there's nothing only

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<v Speaker 1>good will come of it or nothing nothing will of

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<v Speaker 1>it or good well.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like my therapist the other day, I was

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<v Speaker 2>talking to her about this audition that I was doing

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<v Speaker 2>and I was nervous about it, and she's like, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the worst case scenario, Like the worst case is that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to get it.

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<v Speaker 4>She's like, what's the best case that I'll get it?

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<v Speaker 4>And she's like, there you go. So now go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>The worst case scenario here, but you don't connect with anybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, you may not.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably won't, that's the reality. But you'll have a

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<v Speaker 1>few people who follow you, you'll follow some new people.

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<v Speaker 1>You're only going to miss the shots you don't take, right.

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<v Speaker 4>So, speaking of the shots, I love them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, me too.

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<v Speaker 4>Hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>I know she is hilarious. I thought later, like is

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<v Speaker 1>she single? Like she would be a great one. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>should pitch. Yeah, so this thing is just getting ramped up.

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<v Speaker 1>Get your shit together and do a freaking pitch.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's just it. It can be funny, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Can be funny. Do yourself to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be Yeah, Sarah did one for herself. She was I

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<v Speaker 4>told her confident.

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<v Speaker 1>First take, fantastic. It was like, no, don't overthink it,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do fifteen iterations, just freaking get on camera and

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<v Speaker 1>start talking. I had read film mine and so he's

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<v Speaker 1>like very impatient. So he was like, get know what

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna say, because I'm doing this one time. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I literally did it one time and my neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>walks out, she sees me doing it. She's laughing her

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<v Speaker 1>ass off. I don't give a shit? Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Who cares?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So just tiktoks walking down the street exactly came like

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<v Speaker 2>who cares?

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<v Speaker 4>I do?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe this is one of the Okay, we can full

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<v Speaker 2>circle here with aging. I feel like comes not giving

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<v Speaker 4>It's true and I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The other day, you've sent a text to our

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<v Speaker 1>whole group that I thought didn't seem like you to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, And I called you remember, and I'm like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>what that was interesting? I loved it, but I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. Like you start to get where you're like

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<v Speaker 1>be on board or don't be on board. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>someone in our group told me today, she's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know who your friends are based on who supports your business?

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<v Speaker 1>Like who wants you to be successful in that? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if I have an endeavor, say pitch, your friend is

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<v Speaker 1>my Let's say that's my endeavor. I'm working on this

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<v Speaker 1>pitch thing. My friends that love me and want me

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<v Speaker 1>to be successful, we'll get in it and make comments

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<v Speaker 1>and try to help it along or brick and Batton.

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<v Speaker 1>You know when people like help me with that, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I think people who are rooting for you support your shit.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know what that text was about, was our

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<v Speaker 4>new podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and you're the only one who hearted the message.

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<v Speaker 1>They're dicks, you guys, you assholes. Yeah, it's like, how

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<v Speaker 1>hard is it just to be like? Of course, now

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<v Speaker 1>quietly they did follow it, like a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>followed it. But I think, like I shouldn't even have

436
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<v Speaker 1>to ask you, like I anybody's business. Shit, I'm harting,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm following, I'm commenting, I promise you I am. Look

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<v Speaker 1>around at our friends, I'm in all their shit. Yeah,

439
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<v Speaker 1>acting like a supporter. Right. So so that's another lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess back to the topic at hand, which

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<v Speaker 1>is aging, and I think we're all in similar you know,

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<v Speaker 1>most of our listeners, what would you say, are thirty

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<v Speaker 1>to sixty five, seventy Yeah, yeah, so everybody's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>at some point of that process where you're I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think, yeah, it's like each one of those milestones, like

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<v Speaker 2>turning thirty feels like a lot, and now you know,

447
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<v Speaker 2>turning forty feels like a lot, fifty, sixty, seventy, it's

448
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<v Speaker 2>like all of those and it's I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>think also, as we're aging, we're also watching our parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, such a good point. Family members get older.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, like that to me, it's like staring

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<v Speaker 2>you in the face.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, it's staring you in the face. And then

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<v Speaker 1>every like you said new wrinkle or new you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I work out all the time and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing all the things, and I still I put a

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<v Speaker 1>bikini on and I'm like, this is like shameful. My

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<v Speaker 1>kids are like, you have an issue, But I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't love love, love my body.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's fine, and I know in Panama City

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<v Speaker 2>Beach for a few days, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually like I think about like when I look around,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm in great shade, great, but I still am

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<v Speaker 1>like why if I'm self conscious? Every like everybody must be. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But you know he's not as my sister. My sister

466
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<v Speaker 1>struts around the pool, does not give a shit. She's

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<v Speaker 1>eating whatever she wants. She doesn't care in her bikini,

468
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<v Speaker 1>jumping off the boat, like does not care. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even think about anything, like I can't eat in my

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<v Speaker 1>bikini like city.

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<v Speaker 4>Eating hypnotize to like think that.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, like can you sit in let's say your pool side,

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<v Speaker 1>sitting up on the chase in your two piece eating nachos.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, I guess I've done that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't feel great doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, but again, I guess this is taking place

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<v Speaker 2>in Panama City Beach and okay, you know everybody down

478
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<v Speaker 2>there doesn't give a shit.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody's drunk.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Well, I'm in a different spot in Florida where

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I feel self. They're a little classy or

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<v Speaker 1>they just don't.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also boring. It's boring off the boat.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. My sister's like, what are you doing right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you have a cover up on? I'm like,

486
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<v Speaker 1>because I'm eating, And she's like, and we're all eating, We're.

487
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<v Speaker 2>All eating, We're all hanging out in our bikinis whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>Like who cares. That's the other part too, is like

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<v Speaker 2>we feel like we can't act like kids anymore, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we did last weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>I know we did.

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<v Speaker 1>We tell you something. The video evidence is continuing to

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<v Speaker 1>come in. I just got chunk today. You don't even

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<v Speaker 1>want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even realize there was a shared album until

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<v Speaker 2>about two days later, and then I was like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, have you ever have you seen the ones with

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<v Speaker 1>me smoking the cigar? I know, Okay, this needs to

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<v Speaker 1>hedge your way quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>I did. I did witness it in person.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, I mean, who's how is that humanly possible?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, me Houston dance with somebody. When that

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<v Speaker 1>came on and I watched your guys' faces on the video,

504
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<v Speaker 1>now it's you guys acted like you won the DJ lottery.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody was like, going crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that song, of course you do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to try to post that video.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wait, I have I need to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to see it. Yeah, you need to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's in it. It's like, not don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>That song gets our whole little friend group going on,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>The only one that I think is like funny with

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<v Speaker 1>you that you will not approve of is the gold

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<v Speaker 1>Digger one. I think you probably would be like, please

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<v Speaker 1>don't post that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't remember that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe not. We're in our era. We don't give a fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>remember I know.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, my back is hurt ever since the second.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. What are other ways that you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you're aging? Like, where else do you notice it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, gosh, that's it's tough to say, because I've had

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<v Speaker 2>those help problems with the anemia lately.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, yeah, I thought that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, well this is I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Just getting old.

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<v Speaker 4>Understand up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just like but.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, you know, my metabolism definitely feel like

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<v Speaker 2>because some of the joint pain in my knees, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a big reason why I kind of I want

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<v Speaker 2>to run again. But it, yeah, freaks me out, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I just have bad knees. I did in my thirties

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<v Speaker 2>and twenties when I ran too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting, but I don't have joint pain. That's never

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<v Speaker 1>been my issue. Mine is like step sleep issues. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't sleep as well now. I definitely wake up with

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<v Speaker 1>puffy eyes yeah, and wild hair.

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<v Speaker 4>It's tough out in these streaks. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like now, but again, I don't care, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have on an ounce of makeup right now.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we're about to have a meeting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know, we're about to have a meeting. And

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<v Speaker 4>you look like that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you look great, I think I don't. I I'm

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<v Speaker 1>with you. But there are like these things that creep

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<v Speaker 1>up and I'm like, wow, if these celebrities are getting older,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting older too. Yeah, it's like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also I don't know, it's a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>badge of honor. I think it's just a good way

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<v Speaker 2>to look at it, you know, like we're lucky.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, people that die way too young. And and I

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<v Speaker 4>love my life, life experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do feel a sense of like I love

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<v Speaker 1>my life. Yeah, I don't. I always That's why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so scared of like doing risky things, because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't want to die. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>I want to live along. I want to live to

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred. I mean, I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we overlooked too, like where we're at as

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<v Speaker 2>far as like how far we've come since being in

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<v Speaker 2>marriages and coming out and like I've been writing this

566
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<v Speaker 2>book and I'm reflecting back on how I felt during

567
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<v Speaker 2>that time, interesting, how scared I was, and how I

568
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<v Speaker 2>was like there's no way I'm ever coming out.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I know, and now here I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Or what about like back then when we would there'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like days where I'm like, I'm fucking doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sexcit I need to do this. I'm so hopeful

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<v Speaker 1>of meeting a woman and having being gay. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be out I'm doing it, and then twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours later I would be like, oh my god, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>definitely not doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not Yeah, there's no w Yeah, the back and forth, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the fear, all those things, right, Yeah, like we've done it.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you say about people that talk about like

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<v Speaker 1>arrested development and then we should do a whole episode

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<v Speaker 1>on this. But somebody recently said they think there are

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<v Speaker 1>some trademarks about people like you and I who came

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<v Speaker 1>out late and are now developing late. You're learning a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of lessons late, and kind of what that looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that would be a great topic because in

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<v Speaker 1>this community it's so prevalent mistakes you may feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've felt it for years, you know, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's I felt it for years, but it's just now

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<v Speaker 2>occurring to me. Yep, that there is that arrested development

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<v Speaker 2>of like not really knowing how to be in a relationship,

591
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<v Speaker 2>how to overlook all these like little my baggage that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting to it, you know, how to get over

593
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<v Speaker 2>a breakup?

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<v Speaker 4>Right, all those things are new to me, and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and respond to how you respond to things and

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<v Speaker 1>reactions and yeah, yeah, I think the growth is happening. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to move on to another meeting. So this

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<v Speaker 1>was amazing as always, and do your pitch. Also, please

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<v Speaker 1>follow us at b Gay Solve Crime. We're getting great

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<v Speaker 1>feedback on it, which is really exciting. I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're gonna I think we're going to solve

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<v Speaker 1>it all right, Bye guys, bye.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to support the Lesbian Chronicles podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Rate us and write a review on Apple podcast or Spotify.

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<v Speaker 1>We love listener feedback. If you'd like to share your story,

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<v Speaker 1>email us at Melissa and Ali at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Melissa M. E. L I s A A and

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<v Speaker 1>Ali A L l I at gmail dot com. Or

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