Speaker 1: Made san Jo, have pace, Sonny sumone on, I hadsion night.
Speaker 2: Let's have everybody welcome to for crying out loud. Hello, Hi, Stephanie.
Speaker 3: Hello, let's say to our our fabulous friends real quick.
We got Ashley, She's so chic. Stephanie's a stinker wrinker Athena.
We love your dancing and your makeup, your matte lipstick. Sandra,
it's not easy being green, but you pull it off. Jennifer,
get up, Aaron, you're a dirty Sanchez. Leslie with the
coughing like you're like Lynette already Alicias go on from
the City of bell Monte. Kelly Brant, she's your aunt.
Rebecca Opener's so cute? Is sexy? And is he still
a new dad?
Speaker 2: These guys a little baby.
Speaker 3: I saw a picture of them and Missy and Gabby.
They're up to no good. Katerina, check that Moler, Valerie
Bba Fenwick. Hets it out of the park, Polly. We
love your pancakes. Rita. We love your Basinette, and we
think it's so sweet that you rock Elizabeth Williamson's kids
because she's got a lot. Nikki call your girl. Katie's
rolling on e Kelly Latti do and Dick is frolicking.
Whoo whoo whoop.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to fill me in on that Dick
is frolicking.
Speaker 3: His name is Richard Frolicker. So we've we came up
with that.
Speaker 4: Okay, I like it. I'm all for it. Just brings
up mental images that I didn't maybe needed this hour.
Speaker 2: My dad's name was Dick Paradise. That was my dad's name,
and he had that answering machine outgoing message that said,
Dick Paradise here say your word is very important to me.
Just leave a message and I'll get right back to you.
My friends would make fun of me all the time. Sorry,
I still have a little bit of residual.
Speaker 4: I'm Dick. What a great name. What what era did
he go to high school in?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Well he was born in the thirties, so.
Speaker 4: So he would have gone to school in the late forties.
Yeah all right, I just can you imagine going through
high school as Dick Paradise, I went to the I
went to Somebody out there can say they went to
the they went to the problem with Tick Paradise. I know, right,
that's somebody who needs a podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, maybe This is a little early in
the show to bring something like this up. But remember
like the porn written porn that you and I used
to read when we were young, like yeah, Nancy Friday
books like sexual fantasy stuff. Seemed like a lot of
the people, like the men were named Dick and not
in a like pornographic way, but it was just like
from the era from that arau. My name is Dick,
you know, the like Penthouse, right, like my wife Vivian
or whatever. And it was always he's like old fashioned
Nick and Vivian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Helen is my mom's name, and it was
hell in Paradise, and that's my middle name, Lynnette Hell
in Paradise.
Speaker 4: I' Dick Paradise. It's happier. It's happier than Hell in Paradise.
It's less conflicted and ironic.
Speaker 3: It's definitely a porn name, right, you don't think of
it as you know, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he was just an advertising executive at a TV station.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He worked at Metromedia in Los Angeles, which later became
Channel eleven Fox. And he worked at kt LA in
Channel nine in the in the promos promo department.
Speaker 4: Back in those days. That was a good living.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he used to take me on
the set of One Day at a Time.
Speaker 3: Really and happy days.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Valerie Burton, Ellie and the nicest man in entertainment.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, really sweet.
Speaker 3: We forgot to tell you that John Taylor from Duran
Durana is still is sitting in the right If you
listen to Tuesday, then you would know it.
Speaker 4: I figured I was getting away with something. People who
just think that Caylen's voice had gotten more annoying.
Speaker 2: Oh, and that's Kaylin's last last show for now.
Speaker 3: He'll be Yeah, we'll see you.
Speaker 5: You'll see me. I'll be around.
Speaker 4: Just so people know the logistics. They all share a
studio and they will see each other coming and going,
and Kaylen will be able to guess so that you
can keep up on his exploits.
Speaker 3: And so, yes, of course you're.
Speaker 4: Not losing Kaylen. He's just he's going to be right.
He's going to be in the time slot right after Haylen.
Speaker 3: What is going on with the girls? Give us, give
us some updates. You don't really talk about it enough.
Speaker 5: Well, I really want to teach them how to swim.
That's kind of my thing, like, we gotta get him
into some swim lessons and teach him how to swim.
Aila is going into soccer again, but Blake hasn't gotten
in yet.
Speaker 3: What do you mean?
Speaker 5: Like she's on like a waitlist and I was on
a waitlist too, but Ila got in but Blake didn't.
So I think the plan is if Blake doesn't get in,
then Amy's going to be a coach. Oh, so that
way they could both play, which she does not want
to do. I don't blame her, she's thinking about doing that.
Speaker 3: Well, how long do like, is the weightlist going to
go on?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: What are the chances is? I mean, is this like
getting off the waitlist at UCLA? Are the chances good?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, I look got off the weightlist,
so I thought they were pretty good. But Blake is
still and Blake didn't even really seem to like it
as much as Ila. But yeah, if I was doing something,
Blake definitely wants. She just wants to do whatever I
was doing. So yeah, and then next week they're graduating
or the week after I got their graduations to go to.
Speaker 3: So then we'll Lake be going into kindergarten. Yeah, Okay,
and then Islave will be going into first grade.
Speaker 2: M hm, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: And swim lessons this summer. Yeah, just as a bit
of a callback, how cold did you think you would
like to learn to swim in?
Speaker 5: It's actually art. Our neighbor across the street has said like,
oh yeah, bring your girls over any time to go swimming.
And it's not heated, so that's going to be cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll raise champions. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Let me let me tell let me warn you against something.
Speaking of grit, which we talked about on our.
Speaker 4: Patriarch years old, grit.
Speaker 3: Talking about grit. So one thing that I did with
my kids because a lot of people told me to
do it and was water Whispers. And this is a warning.
This is a p A p s A. If you will.
Maybe this has worked for some people, but water whispers
does it where they there they are instilling grit in
your kids. They're like, you're going to do this, this
is just what's happening. You don't give them a choice.
They need to learn to swim for safety reasons. And
there will be crying kind of like there will be blood.
There will be crying, there will be tears. They warn
you against it. They're like, you know, you just adults
have to have grit to you got to watch your kids.
It's a process. They will all learn to swim, though
they guarantee it. You know, right, it's fucking traumatizing, and
I'm going to tell you that, yes they did learn.
They did. It's very expensive, but they get It's like
they're gonna they do it within like it's like a
certain amount of weeks and then they will swim afterwards.
And the graduation, they they force them though under the
water and then they have to go pick up like
a ring, and then by the end of it they're
going to jump off a diving board and then they're
going to swim to the side of the pool, so
you know they're safe. What they don't tell you though,
is that with some kids, yeah, they can do it,
and then they will never want to do it again
because they hated the experience so much. Both Elbie never
did that. So Elbie took regular gentle swimming lessons where
they do little things first and then they hold you
and they help you learn how to swim. And she
never had a problem. And I always loved the water.
Sadie and Xander did the swimming thing. When they were
pretty young, like your age. The Water Whispers took them
to Water Whispers before they were going to like summer camp,
so that they could swim in the especially Sadie because
she was so so little at the time. We wanted
her to be able to go to like camp fun time, yeah,
and be in the even in the waiting. They had
like one pool that was only like four feet deep,
but she was she could get hurt in that one. Anyway,
we did Water Whispers. Guess what. She refused to go
in the pool during swim time. She wanted nothing to
do with swimming with pools. They were traumatized and it
took years afterwards for them to and you know, we're
remember who taught him how to swim was Julie. Julie's
daughter was Bella Bella, Bella Julie's daughter, and Elbe taught
the girls how to swim.
Speaker 4: In Bella's pool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they taught well, I think they were working with
Sophie too, and and and Sadie and then Xander was
already like a little bit more adventurous about it, a
little bit more at by that time. But they like
taught them how to swim and it was much nicer
and much gentler, and I feel like we threw away money.
Speaker 4: We need to pause for a spot from our new sponsor,
water Whisperers in a pool near you.
Speaker 3: I would turn them down. I'm not that much more,
not for everybody.
Speaker 4: It's about scale because water Whispers you can have one
instructor teaching five kids at once, and LB we had
we had to take one on one swim lessons and
that guy can't scale. Water whisper chisophers.
Speaker 3: They give you one, they get one teacher.
Speaker 4: But I could have sworn how many.
Speaker 3: Kids one to one?
Speaker 2: One to one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a bunch of there's a bunch
of them in the pool, but there's one with your kid.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: In fact, it's the opposite because Elbe had one guy,
his name was Greg Remember, I remember he was crazy stoner.
Speaker 2: Of course, and he would have like five.
Speaker 3: Or six kids in his class. But they're just they're
they're just gentler with them, and he was take them
out one at a time and like float them around. No,
water Whispers was like throwing them in. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom threw me into when I was little.
I just remember having that headache you know, when you
suck in water and he goes up your nose, you
that headache. I just associated that headache with my mom
in the pool. So anytime my mom was in the pool,
I didn't want to get in the pool. But if
my dad, Dick Paradise, was in the pool, that was
all for it. Because my dad would just hang out
and just like, you know, be very gentle with me.
Because my mom was the hard ass she would like
throw me in, she grab me, pull me, smack me.
Speaker 3: My dad was like very gentle and sweet.
Speaker 4: Well find out, Paradise. He liked a warm pool.
Speaker 2: Is very warm, Yes he did, that's right. Yes, he
kept it warm, and he liked to have his glass
of beer.
Speaker 3: We'd come home from work.
Speaker 2: He'd have a glass of beer and sit on the
front step, on the top step while I did my
little swimming. And no headache, No problem, no problem. Oh
not not with my mom. Anytime now I get water
up my nose, I think of my mom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she'd still grit right and good memories.
Speaker 2: All she needed to do was put make that pool cold.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Kailin, what I'm saying is like maybe higher
like a local, like teenager who teaches swim lessons and
have him come to your neighbor's pool and.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, we did that at two years ago and
it didn't work out very well. But yeah, we do
plan to just hire somebody.
Speaker 3: I do remember, Wait, didn't you do the water whispers
and the kids will cry?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we went to the Yeah, we went to
YMCA and and they did. They tried like one or
two times there, but they didn't like having uh, like
a guy as their instructor. They insist that it has
to be a female. And then I think one of
the girls there was like, I'll come just on my
own and teach them, and uh, that didn't work very
well either.
Speaker 2: Really, but how were how old were they because don't
they have to be after age?
Speaker 5: I don't remember. I think they were.
Speaker 2: Babies you could teach, but I heard that they don't
really know how to swim until they're like four or five.
Speaker 5: I think they were a bit young. I think I
was probably maybe five four or five and was probably
like three or four.
Speaker 3: So what else for the summer?
Speaker 5: Any So, there is a comic con going, you know,
the comic con down at San Diego, So I am
planning to go to that comic con because my dad
does all those different comic cons and that's the big one.
And so I went to a comic con with him
in Anaheim like a month ago, just like, hey, I'm
you know, I want to promote the podcast, but I'm busy.
You know, the fans. He talks to the fans for
a long time and stuff. So I was like, Okay,
I'll go. And I had these cards made up that
has like a QR code on it, so scan it
takes you to the podcast page and it worked very well.
A lot of people were like, oh cool, you have
a podcast, and my dad liked He's like, all right,
well let's get you down to the San Diego one.
So that's like four days. So I'm gonna probably drive
from Long Beach to San Diego like Thursday Friday, and
then they're getting me a hotel for Saturday. So then
I'm gonna have Amy and the girls come down on Saturday.
We're gonna do a little vacation in San Diego. Probably
find something to do for Saturday, stay there, go to
the zoo on Sunday. So yeah, that's kind of like our.
Speaker 3: Wait, so you're gonna drive back and forth the first
two days.
Speaker 5: Well, because I don't think they can get me a
hotel room for all the days, so I'll just drive
back and forth. I mean I'm used to driving.
Speaker 4: I drive.
Speaker 5: I'm in the car an hour and a half every day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, two ways. San Diego is far though, it's better
than from a Yeah, it's probably about two hours maybe, yeah,
about two hours. You're gonna take them to the zoo
down there. Yeah.
Speaker 5: They got the pandits back there, so they're gonna be
very excited about about not SeaWorld. I hate SeaWorld. We
took them to Sea World once.
Speaker 4: It sucked. Yeah, well SeaWorld sucks controversial.
Speaker 5: Now Lego Land is great. I you know a lot
of people we should take I go go to Lego Land.
It's like it's cheaper than Disneyland. You're gonna get on
all the rides. It's not too big, like you can
do the whole park. We do Lego Land. But we
did SeaWorld once and I was like it was hot
and it was grimy, and they're like they l booze
like every like ten feet at Sea World. It's like
people are just getting drunk at.
Speaker 4: The trauma of watching a train or get I know, you.
Speaker 5: Feel bad for all the dolphins and the whales, and
I was like, you know what, if this place sucks,
we're not coming back here.
Speaker 3: So like circuses have banned having elephants, it's regulated now,
But what SeaWorld.
Speaker 4: There's a big controversial.
Speaker 5: I think they're not allowed like new ones they're getting
to They go like, okay, well their whole life has
been in this tank, so we can't release them into
the wild. They're just gonna die. So we're just going
to keep the ones that we have, not get new ones,
and then that'll be bad.
Speaker 2: But didn't the La Zoo recently we're supposed to take
these elephants.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they were supposed.
Speaker 2: To send them to a sanctuary San Diego?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Was it San Diego?
Speaker 4: Was LA they moved him to the San Diego Zoo
or is it Arizona?
Speaker 5: I think it was a different state.
Speaker 4: I remember saying that it might have been to Arizona.
Speaker 2: When they moved them out in the middle of the night.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I saw the tail end of the controversy,
and I know that the LA Zoo they up down
insideways that kept saying, you know, we did we were
going to send them to a sanctuary. But on the end,
and I know a lot of zoos. The big thing
is we consulted with the National Association of Zoos and
Refuges and they are refuge and they they said that
this was more they need twenty four hour care and
that wouldn't happen. I mean, who knows if that's the case,
but that was their that was their answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really sad. Elephants, especially because they're very like
I think they you know, they have this family feel.
If there's a you know, one of them is getting
taken away, they get upset or.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean they've got an emotional memory that
they've tested it where you know, people have rescued elephants
as little elephants and then they come back forty years
later and the elephant looks like it's gonna charge this
range rover and kill it, and it turns out it's
spotted this old gray remnant of this person that rescued them.
But they recognized. I mean, who knows whether these are
deceptively edited youtubes that I fall for, but they've seen them.
Speaker 3: But like the ones with gorillas, I know, can you
I dare you not to cry watching those ones where
the rescuers go back after like twenty twenty five years
and see the gorillas and they come running over and
put their arms around them.
Speaker 4: That was a different era stuff. Now in this new
harder social darwinisim era, it's one hundred former rescuers attack
the gorilla to see is it do you do? You
put your money on the hundred former rescuers or the
gorilla to win.
Speaker 3: They it's sad, you know, those rescuers did not instill grit.
No gorillas.
Speaker 4: Well, the big thing is make sure it's a gorilla
not a chimp, because.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Jim chimp wi fuck you up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Dick, Paradise is glad you never met a chick
now because it would not have You would have needed
a name change.
Speaker 2: You guys should Did you never watch chimp World or
whatever it was on HBO or Razy?
Speaker 3: Did you watch it? I did.
Speaker 4: We've watched a lot of chimps. We watched a lot
of chimp talks in our time. We've seen recreations of
all the chimp horrors working of a ficionados.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that one story I'll just never It's like,
if you've seen a horror movie when you're too young. Yeah,
and it just never leaves your head. That story of
that woman she was on Obrah.
Speaker 4: Yes, she went over to a neighbor's house was who
was raising a chimp, And it's the identical story to
the couple who raised a chimp in La until it
got to about twenty eight and was too big because
it wasn't having sex with anything and it was just angry.
They had to take it to a sanctuary. And a
year later they took it a birthday cake, and six
other chimps saw that chimp number one was getting a
cake and they got loose and they took a part
the guy of the couple who had surrendered the chimp,
and they just basically took his nose fingers.
Speaker 3: He's junk off, right, he died right.
Speaker 4: I don't member.
Speaker 3: And then woman got attacked as well.
Speaker 4: Though, Yeah, and her face just is this flat insane.
Speaker 3: But then the story, the original story though, is the
woman who the lady raised the chimp from a really
young age and she shouldn't have had it anymore. It
had already at one point let itself out of the
back of her car and like ran into ran around
in traffic and was like trying to attack.
Speaker 4: People, held up a seven eleven, held up.
Speaker 3: A seven to eleven. But then the woman's friend came
over and it just the chimp like destroyed her. Yeah,
and that woman is still alive. She has no face,
I know. And your fingers are toes.
Speaker 2: She the woman that raised the chimp. She's like you
can hear on tape, like shoot him. Yeah, she wanted
them to kill It's so sole thing is just so
sad and.
Speaker 4: The moral ofless stories. Gorillas are much kinder. They're herbivores,
and chimps are like omnivores and they will eat you
and kill you and get But gorillas just do not
want to mess with humans, and they will if you're
in Uganda, they'll make their way unless they feel like
their families, they will go off in the other direction.
I feel like.
Speaker 3: They've spend stories about like a little like babies or
kids that have fallen into like gorilla enclosures, and then
the gorilla's coming surround, right and try to like take
care of it and give it back to.
Speaker 4: The till the zoo keeper shoots the thing right right.
Speaker 5: I think we talked about this last time.
Speaker 4: You're here.
Speaker 5: But did you ever watch Chimp Empire on Netflix?
Speaker 4: You told me about that. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have seen it, John Empire, Yes, we have
seen it.
Speaker 4: Is that what they start in MLM?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What the hell?
Speaker 5: It's a great documentary that you know, they cover like
two different chimp like tribes or whatever, and like the
it's just it's all about the chimps. But it's really interesting.
It's narrated by Marsha Ali. Yeah, and but yeah, at
one point they talk about how like chimp's favorite thing
to do is to go hunting from monkeys and they
don't need to they don't need they don't need to
eat the monkeys. They have the fruit, but they like
to do it for sport. They hunt the monkeys and
they rip them apart.
Speaker 4: And eat them. Yeah, it's it's it's even scarier though,
when you do the the onboarding with your chimp MLM
and your box gets there and like three angry chimps
get out and you need to sell them to nine
other gymps. It's just and that's when you feel like Jesus, oh.
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Speaker 5: No, SeaWorld, No, you guys are gonna land. Yes, it's
been years since we took them to the San Diego Zoo,
so we're looking forward to that one as well.
Speaker 3: And so are we supposed to Not like, are zoo's
bad now too?
Speaker 4: Not? Not really, I mean and even I mean elephants
in zoos. It's a little problematic, but it's not like circuses.
Circuses was torture zoos, you know, they don't have enough habitat,
but it's a it's a step down in terms of
the hardship. But and you've got a lot of you've
got a lot of things that live longer in zoos.
But again you have to wonder about quality of life.
But they're you know there, it's less egregious than circus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean zoos. I just remember when I took
the kids to the zoo all the day. It was
a lot of birds. There's like the birds sanctuary. Then
you have the like the reptile pavilion, so you got
all the reptiles and all the weirdo things in there.
Hated that, and then there's like the spider There's all
different kinds of things now at the zoo a.
Speaker 3: Little like a literal cockroach exhibit in there, which it's like,
just go to any New York apartment right New York,
flip on the lights and there's your exhibit right there.
Speaker 4: It's free, and that's why you pay. But I mean,
we've been talking about raising kids with grit. What about
you know when you go to the tiger exhibit and
you really go to one that's not updated and you
throw rocks at them, and then the tigers get out
of there and they chase the.
Speaker 5: I have seen Have you seen those like tug of
war things that they have and tiger enclosures that would
be fun.
Speaker 4: I did a show for Animal Planet once where we
talked about, you know, tigers and lions and leopards on
the loose in America. They're actually more tigers privately owned
in America than they are in the wild. People don't
realize that. But the crazy thing, though, is if you
because there's a famous story where a couple of kids
were baiting a tiger and I can't I want to
say the zoo was in California, but it was probably
somewhere else, but it was in the States, and somebody
they were throwing it and throwing it, and this tiger
enclosure had already been cited by the Zoo Association for
being four feet lower than the standard, and they kept
doing it. And this tiger leaps up and is able
to pull himself out. He just goes berserk after and
he malls, but doesn't kill one of the kids that
was throwing it at him. But think about how much
grit that would still in your kids if they had
to fight a tiger or even like a cheetah. Maybe
start him with a cheetah or a leopard.
Speaker 3: Something else, smaller street.
Speaker 4: That's pure grit.
Speaker 5: Just not a chump.
Speaker 4: That's not fair. I don't start.
Speaker 3: The tell them about working on a lion on the loose.
Speaker 4: That was a while ago. That was the Animal Planet
show that I did for Discovery, and it was, you know,
it was it was one of these things where we
built it. There was a a piece of security videotape
in Milwaukee that had shown the outline of what looked
to be a female African lioness walking through a neighborhood
in Milwaukee, and this created a huge amount amount of terror.
And so you know, as these things, it takes a
while to sell the show and it takes so it's
finally I get hired to produce this show. But it's
eleven months after the video had come out. So I
ended up going up to Milwaukee. I hired this again.
It's a it's a I the most amazing one of
the most amazing people I've ever met in my life.
A guy named Rory Young was this and I wanted
to make it as legitimate as possible. So I went
through all of you know, the research of who are
the great you know, lion trackers in the world, and
there's a guy named Rory Young who was, you know,
an African wildlife interdiction specialist, and he had grown up
he'd been in the French Foreign Legion, and he'd grown
up in Zimbagwe and with the lions, and he'd been
a forest ranger in Africa, and then he had become
His real main thing in life was trying to protect
elephants from poachers, because poaching is massive and it's a
big business because it funds civil wars and anyway. But
he was known as one of the greatest living big
cat trackers, so I negotiated to fly him from Africa.
It was interesting. He moved his family to Holland because
the poachers in Africa put a price on his head
and his family's head when they were living in Zimbagwa.
So we moved them to Holland. But he still operated
out of Holland into and he was in country about
nine months a year. Anyhow, I flew him to Milwaukee
and we spent a week going back on trying to
re access the trail of this cat eleven months after
and after a whole winter. It was hard, but he
was brilliant. We went through and again we found some
skulls and some things, and it was, you know, it
was we went all the way through the hour going
you know, and showing. We did all of these side
stories with video and interviews of you know, there's an
epidemic of people owning African lions and tigers and leopards
in their backyards and it's legal in thirty eight states.
And this really could be an African lion because of
so many nim nubs who actually think, and you know,
while we were in production on this, the Santa Monica
Fire Department discovered a live tiger in the backyard in
Santa Monica. So if you think it's that remote.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: But in any case, we went up and we did
this hole through the whole show. We kept cutting back
and forth between our we ended up ended up seventy
miles north in the in Milwaukee, and it ended up
being you know, he finally was able to fairly conclusively
determine that it was just a huge mountain lion that
had wandered down from the escarpment. But it gave us
a chance to track this thing all the way through
urban urban Minnesota and the Discovery Channel. You know, since
there was a possibility that we would face a live
African lion, we had to be going through Milwaukee with
with armed guards who had a big enough gun to
stop an African lion, which is, you can't stop an
African lion with a with a thirty caliber, you know, Winchester.
It needs to be at least a three thirty eight,
or it needs to be a really large caliber. So
we had to have these armed guys going with us,
and it was you know, it was just it was
kind of crazy, and we ended up you know, in
way way north in state parks, going into caves in
the middle of the night where you could see that
a big cat had wintered and there were dead skills,
and we'd be there with a thermal. We'd try to
make it look as scary as it was, but it
genuinely was because we're going in at eleven o'clock at
night into this big cat cave and you're like, Okay,
probably they're not here this time of year. But if
they are, we've got these thermal detectors going ahead of us,
so we don't. But it was. But the big thing
was meeting this guy who had been It was just
a he put himself out there, and he put himself
you know, he was His big thing was training African
forest rangers to detect and stop the poachers safely, because
the poachers would go around with you know, assault weapons
and drones. And the worst part of it was, I
mean this guy just I just he was. I mean,
he had never this is only the second time he'd
been in the US. And he could tell me whoever
Senator was. He had taught himself US history and a
couple of years after we wrapped the special and I
kept in touch with him, and he was killed by
poachers in Bikina Fascio and in in Africa and it
was just the worst. He was just the most heroic
noble guy had ever met in thirty years of TV.
And he was ambushed by a bunch of poachers on
dirt bikes and they came up next to his car
and they just throttled it and killed him and three
other people in the car. And it's to this day
just still Rory Young, amazing guy.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what a story. Yeah, oh my, that's horrible.
Speaker 3: Can we see that special? It's find it.
Speaker 4: It's still I think you can still get it on
Apple TV if you put I think I believe that
Animal Planet added an extra I think it's urban Predator
lying on the loose, okay, but the real the star
of the show is he's a He's a bald headed
dutch Man just I mean, the most extraordinary guy ever. Wow,
Rory Young, I'd like.
Speaker 3: To see that, Kaylin.
Speaker 5: You into stuff like that, uh, like nature documentary type stuff.
I used to be, but I don't watch much anymore. Yeah.
I used to love like Blue Planet, Planet Earth's back
in the day.
Speaker 4: They still, I mean, the BBC still puts out the
old fashioned big ones, which is nice. Yeah, it doesn't
seem to be the you know, the younger demographic, don't
you know, they don't sit down to watch an eight
hour IMAX quality nature special anymore.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of like nature shows that Netflix
put out. I remember last year at some point I
was I was on Mushrooms and I was like, I
don't know what to watch, and I was like, I'm
gonna watch this nature show. And I just sat there
and watched like six hours of a nature's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: That's when you Discovery champ Empire, all right.
Speaker 5: It was like, these nature shows are great?
Speaker 3: What was the big the one we all watched when
we were kids. Was it The Wonderful.
Speaker 4: Mutual of Omaha Wild Kingdom with Wild Kingdom? Yeah, with
Marlon Perkins and Jim Fowler.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I don't think I ever watched.
Speaker 4: It was mutual, Lomaha sponsored it, and it was it
was an early syndicated show, so it wasn't on any
particular network. It was always on your local channel. And
it had this guy. He had to be I mean,
I'm going to say he's eighty. He was probably sixty,
but he was white haired with a mustache and always
wore the camos. But he was really too old to
be doing what he was doing. So they brought they
brought an assistant. One of the assistants I think was
Jim Fowler, who then went on to Tonight, but I'm
not sure. He always had a younger assistant, and so
you'd always have, you know, Marlon Perkins would sit back
and the helicopter while Jim would go down to the
to the hippo layer and almost get mauled until they
fly Jim off on the skid of the chopper and
Marlin's just up going. You can see that the elephant
is a formidable beast and Jim's like missing a leg.
But it was. It was. I remember when I was
six seven years old, you would watch in where I
grew up, you know, Mutual of Omaha would be on
at seven, and then The Wide World of Disney would
be on at eight.
Speaker 3: Wide World of Disney. Yes, yes, yes, well I remember that.
Speaker 2: But maybe the other show you're talking about was more
of an East coast it was. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it was nationwide, but it wasn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't any It was Sunday Night's Sunday Night Television.
Speaker 4: It would but if that was on your your local.
Speaker 3: The Disney One, The Wonderful world Wide World of Disney
and The Mutual of Omaha. Yep, I think I was
allowed to watch both of those, which was like a
big deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you watch Trafficked and it's on like one
of the Discovery networks.
Speaker 4: Oh with what's her name? Yeah, she's my Facebook friend Maria. Yes, yeah, no, no, no,
she's uh I think she might be Dutch, but she
lives in the States. Yeah, I've I saw the first
cycle of that. I haven't seen it since.
Speaker 2: She has like a couple of seasons now she has
one bad ass investigative report.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she's a mom with like three kids too.
Speaker 2: It's insane some of the places that she goes because
each episode is called Trafficked, and each episode is different. Yes,
like she'll interview uh real life uh hitman.
Speaker 3: You know that there.
Speaker 4: Are always they're always in.
Speaker 2: Shadow and that yes they're like yeah, they're wearing masks.
Or she'll go to like the you know, into the
jungles in the Colombian hills and she'll interview like, you know,
drug traffickers, or she'll but the one that was sticking
out in my mind is she went and uh, she
went undercover with poachers of people that were like poaching
certain animals, and then you know, like she's not supposed
to have cameras, like it's danger it's really dangerous. And
she goes in some of these territories of all over
the world and it's just insane.
Speaker 3: It's fascinating.
Speaker 2: It's like a couple of seasons and each episode is different. Marianavenzella,
that's it, Yes, Mariana. And what it's on like one
of the Discovery networks. You can go to like Hulu
and look for it. Yeah, it's called Trafficked. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately Hulu. We pay for Hulu, but Elbe is the
only one who can access Hulu because you need to
re log in. She originally bought it, but then she
doesn't have a job, so she can't pay for it.
So we're paying for it. But I'm like, but you
have to make sure that we can access it from
our TV. So she did it first once and then
it went away. Now we can't, I know, and I
keep I keep telling her, okay, Elby, please, and she's like, yes,
it's on my laptop. Let me just go back to
school and I'll get it for you yeah, and then
she had, Yeah, it's really hard when your kids don't
have I know I said that I brought this up
last week, but man Ilbie wants to still be living
her life, which I do understand, Like you're you shouldn't
going to college. Shouldn't be like, yes, you're going to
be a starving college student, but it shouldn't mean that
you can't do anything and watch all your roommates going
and enjoying their lives and like you can't go out
dinner with you know, But it's really hard because it's
like you're having to pay for their lifestyle. Yes, when
they don't work job yea, which she is. I mean
she's looking for a job. She's actively chrying, but like
it is a little bit hard because I I know
she doesn't want to just have something that is just
minimum wage. She does that now, tours at school. But
it's hard because you're not going to make a bank
over the summer by working by making seventeen dollars an hour, right, Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2: I just packed up Natalia over the weekend. It's why
I pulled something in my back because you know, I
was like packing up her closet, packing up her, and
then like I did the sheets on her bed, which
is where I think I pulled my muscle, because you know,
it is when you're trying to put the sheets on
the bed. And I don't know what happened, but spent
the whole day Saturday packing around. But now she's home,
and I feel like it went by so fast. I
feel like she just got there and now she's home
for the summer, and she's gonna be looking for a job.
She's gonna get a job. And Sonny too, Sonny, you'll
be home in like two weeks.
Speaker 3: In two weeks, weeks, we should take a quick break.
We're already back. Yeah, it was so quick. Yeah, so
Sunny's back in two weeks. I think that's Yeah. LB
and Sunny are on the same schedule. Yeah, UCLA's quarter system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think is too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's already back, but she's going to go
back maybe part of the summer and take a class.
Why did you have to clear out everything?
Speaker 2: We didn't clear out everything, Okay, we just she wanted
to get a lot of her stuff home, so you know,
I brought boxes for her to pack stuff up. But
she left a lot of stuff there so she still
has the place, and she might go to take summer
classes to see she needs to get her GPA at
a certain level so that she can transfer and everything.
So when we find out how she did on her
you know, finals and everything, then we'll see. But she
might be going back to take a summer class, which
is good, but then it's like she's going to have
to get a job too. I don't know, well that's
going to work.
Speaker 3: But can she do a summer class online? Yeah? She
might have from here do that because I know Albe
did when Albe was at Pierce a year ago or
whatever she was doing when she first did summer classes.
That was No, that wasn't one year ago, that was
two years ago, right, Yeah, last summer she just sticked around,
so that two summers ago when she was she had
to get started at UCLA early in order to try
to transfer after one year. She had to like hit
the ground running, and she did do it. The summer
classes most of them are online online.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well hopefully that'll be the case.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ye make it a lot easier for job. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how's everything with her? Is she gonna have the
same roomies when she goes back.
Speaker 2: I think for the most part, but there's one that's
kind of a pain in the ass, and is you know,
uh moody.
Speaker 3: Oh so I don't know. Are they going to give
her the boot?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think she's going to give herself
the boot because I think she knows.
Speaker 3: But there's always one.
Speaker 2: There's always one. But yeah, she'll probably be with the
same other two and then maybe me another two new ones,
so we'll see.
Speaker 3: Whenever I had more than one roommate, I've had so
many roommates in my life. Have you had a lot
of roommates ever?
Speaker 4: I mean, most of my roommates were people that I
knew from college. Okay, so it was it wasn't. I
don't think I've ever had just gone in cold and
lived with someone I didn't know for many years. I
mean I moved out here with a friend from college,
and you know, I've always lived with college friends.
Speaker 3: I've lived with a lot of strangers. You move out
to la at a young age where you don't know
that many people, and when you have to get a roommate.
I'd go through those roommate like yeah, and I'd interview people,
and you know, you just don't always know. I lived
with at least two or three different guys that I'd
never knew before. One of them turned out to be
like a fantastic roommate, my old roommate, Bruce. If he
ever listens to this show, I'm still friends with them
to this day, Bruce t. But he was a friend,
he was a He was a a friend of an acquaintance,
this comedian named Billy, who was like, who heard I
was looking for a you know. It was one of
those friend of a friend of a friend was like,
I got a guy who's moving, and I was like,
a guy, I'm not sure, But then I met him
and he's just like this big bear and he was
super nice and he actually helped me write my first
three minutes of stand up comedy because he was like
a comedian and he was really funny, and I was like,
here's my concepts. I remember telling him, like, when I
go to the gym, this was a Bally's spot, right.
I was like, when you go to the gym, this
is how dated this is. There's a men's side, there's
a women's side, and there's a co ed side. So
my concept for the joke was I was like I
never know where to work out because like I always
feel like it's gonna look if I'm in the co
ed side, it seems really obvious why I'm there. Yeah,
so he said, so I just work out on the
men's side, so it's clear why I'm there, And that
was the punchline. And I was like, that's so funny.
So he did that for all my little Like right,
what about here's another concept I have. I had one
that was I can't remember, but anyway, and then he
was so sweet and supportive. So then I was like, Okay,
maybe having a guy roommate that I don't know is
not so bad. Until the next one that I had,
who was like a total like weird perv. I was like,
oh my god. He would just that's he would just
my friends would come over and he'd make everyone uncomfortable.
He'd just like sit, like not go to his room
when I had friends over, just like sit in the
living room and like stare at women. I eventually had
to kick him out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never I had a couple roommates, but they
were my friends that I not my friend friends but
just kind of friend of a friend. And and then
there was the I so one was a friend of
a friend, and then she ended up being my boss
at a preschool. End up started to work for her.
Then she brought another friend of hers that I didn't know,
and I thought she was a weird, Like I thought
she had these two little dogs that followed her into
the bathroom, and my friends used to make fun of her.
But now I have a dog that follows me into
the bathroom, so now I get it. But but yeah,
and that's where they when we were living together for
the we were living in Chatsworth when the Northridge earthquake
hit and we were at a commission for like two weeks,
but other than that, and then Suzanne was my roommate
and then she then she met a guy and then
he was our roommate, and then they got married and
then that was kind of it.
Speaker 3: Roommates, Well, we had the same story the place that
I lived in when there was the Northridge quake. I
know I've told you this story before, But I had
two roommates. One was my friend, but then we needed
a third because we live it was a three bedroom townhouse,
so we got a girl that we didn't know, and
then those two ended up not like complaining to me
all the time. So I had the master bedroom that
had a bathroom in the bedroom. They had both had
a bedroom and they shared a bathroom. Oh my god.
And they fought all the time. And they would both
come to me and be like this person was using
my shampoo. I know, they stole my shampoo. And then
the other one would be like she's eating my food
and it was like such a headache. One of them
was the worst culprit though, and we ended up having
to boot her out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm so glad. I was so glad when
I fought. Well, no, remember then then. I don't know
if I don't think I had a roommate when I
met you, right.
Speaker 4: John, Well you were living in your ex boyfriend's apartment
because he had left the country.
Speaker 3: Right, But I lived there for like six years. Yeah,
but I had roommates. I always had a roommate, and
I had I lived with strangers in that place too,
And I had the one that was like no, ma'amao
was another roommate. Oh my god, Yamo. My kids make
fun of that. So when my kids all, I have
had some really crazy roommates. Yeah. I had another one though,
who was like who had dated in the past, David Copperfield,
remember that one she was really strange and then and
she was always having like missuses come to the house.
She was she was like an ex model. Oh I
don't I'm not. I won't say her name, but I
don't even remember her name. But she was always having
like a miss like somebody come over, a professional like massuse,
and then they'd be in her room for like four hours,
like four hour.
Speaker 4: I just you're bypassing the stories we want to hear.
Did she must have dished some tea on David Copperfield
where what were things like?
Speaker 3: He'd be like she said, he was an absolute nightmare.
Speaker 4: He pulled something out from behind his ear and go,
is this your g spot? It's got to be weird,
it's got to be pretty creepy.
Speaker 3: I think he was. I think he was. Like the
way I remember it was that he was very controlling
and weird and like not nice. That's not going to
surprise anybody, right.
Speaker 4: How many Las Vegas, particularly Las Vegas residential magicians do
not have the weird like Chris angel Or. I mean,
these guys are all they're naughty, They're really weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, David Blaine David Blaine. Yeah, whenever he would go
down on her, he would call it close up magic,
a serious no.
Speaker 4: And then it comes full circle when you when you
had the ex who was dating or not the ex,
but the roommate was dating Sigfried and Roy. Oh god,
so close to Chimp Empire again.
Speaker 3: I literally re listened to that podcast, the Sigfried and
Roy Wild Things. It was Yeah, the podcast was really good. Yeah,
listen before we before we go, Kaylin, you might not
be here for a while, so give us some TV res.
I don't want people to go a long time with
that between TV recommend give us your sci fi. Because
I'm just gonna say this really quick. I'm just gonna
say I'm getting a lot of flak because people are
loving your friends and neighbors and they're mad that I'm
being too highbrow or they're basic, and they're like, you
know what, everything that you hate I love and everything
Kaylin loves I love so.
Speaker 4: Rien.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would just again recommend Mobland to anybody. It's
the best show. It's the best show on TV. It's
like every single episode is it's just the end of
it is so good.
Speaker 4: Mobland.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's The Tom Hardy Show on Paramount. Pierce Brosnan
is in.
Speaker 4: It on Paramount.
Speaker 5: It's on Paramount.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's kind of the only show I'm watching
right now other than the Last of Us. But yeah,
there's a great sci fi show that I'm rewatching called
The Expanse. So if you like space ships and space travel, uh,
then watch The Expanse. It's really great. It's about how
like the humans, you know, they colonize the Solar System.
So there's like Earth and then there's Mars and then
what they called the Belters, which are the people out
by the rocks, and they're all kind of they all
fight with each other and it's a great show. You
should watch The Expanse. It's on Amazon.
Speaker 3: On Amazon, It's on Amazon.
Speaker 5: But I mean, and there's like six seasons. It's a
great sci fi space show.
Speaker 3: Sixties.
Speaker 5: What's there's six seasons sixties?
Speaker 3: I thought you said it's the sixties, and I was like.
Speaker 4: Well, that's Star Trek.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much time travel there was in this. No.
Speaker 4: I was going to just say on your friends and
neighbors is again, I didn't because I'm not I don't
know if people know that I'm generally not allowed to
listen to the show, so I don't know what I'm
following on here, but I did hop on the thread
on the listener group the other day and just explained,
I mean, we loved the first two episodes of Your
Friends and Neighbors because it was it seemed like it
was written by the showrunner and it had this really
great you know, it had this great voice, and it
was had wit, and it was really skewering. You know,
this is what it takes to live in Greenwich or
Westchester and you know, live among edge funders, and you know,
it's it is. It's it is a just a brutal
competition out there and this is and now we're going
to create almost a farce. And it's funny because it
started out it seemed like it was already have to
be a black comedy, a dry black comedy. But then
the tone, it feels like that the tone changed a
little bit, and I wondered if it was a case
where you know, the showrunners his name Tolliver.
Speaker 3: No, it's.
Speaker 4: The show, the guy that created it. He's done a
bunch of other shows and he writes books. But it
felt like his vision for it was executed in the
first two episodes, and then it's sort of the tone.
They dropped the tone. It wasn't a dark comedy. It
was more of just an ensemble piece. And you started
bringing in the son and exploring his life with the
you know, the bad girl girlfriend, and then you had
these two the detective and her partner, who again I
think I put this on the on the comment is
like they feel like, I know that people don't go
back and watch the player, but it feels like you
had Whoopi Goldberg and oh my goodness, who uh Lyle
love It played her partner and they're just They had
this commentary that as they investigated Griffin Dunn's murders, and
I'm just like, this is a lift from that, and
they're not and they're very mannered and weird, but it's
not comedy. It's just it felt like it wasn't holding together.
And I'm really rooting for the showrunner to have at
least if he wrote the first two Jonathan Tropper Jonathan Tropper, Okay,
I'm hoping that he will be the writer of the
last one, because again, there was so much wit and
they dropped the wit and they dropped sort of the
sly commentary and it just became but people love.
Speaker 3: It, people love it well, people love it.
Speaker 2: But I also I see exactly what you guys are
saying the same I felt the same way.
Speaker 4: It's still a very good show. It's just it was like,
oh my god, I'm gonna love this as much as
Mad Men or Breaking Bad, and it just it started
off at that level and then it became it's pretty good.
Speaker 3: But now we're still watching it every week.
Speaker 2: You really need to watch Severance. Just watch it.
Speaker 3: It's so we watched.
Speaker 4: Part of the first season it felt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just I just couldn't follow what was going on,
but we could try it again.
Speaker 4: Just feel so stark.
Speaker 2: It does feel stark, but there's like a lot of
witty moments. The writing is really good and it pays off.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's not one of these shows where it just keeps
meandering like Lost was, you know, like you never find out,
like at the end of the season, you're like, they
tie it up, they tie it all up, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's great. It's a great show.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 5: It's one of the best shows on tea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny that you said that. Because literally this
morning I was reading Facebook and there was an article
that came up about how this many years later, the
showrunners discussed the ending of Lost and like what it
really meant? And then they did not say what it
really meant. It was just basically the that some people
and I never watched. I didn't watch it, but some
people were saying that the end was like, oh, they
were dead the whole time, that everybody died in the
plane crash and they were dead the whole time. But
then the showrunners were like, no, we didn't mean that,
and then they never really explained it. So I was like, well,
what was the point of I just lost five minutes
reading this article.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I've talked about this other show that I
got really into a few months ago that's like Lost,
except it's it's like a horror version of Lost, but
it's not too scary. It's a little violent. It's called
from It's with one of the characters from Losses in it,
and it's like these people they get kind of sucked
into this town unknowingly, but then once they're in, they
can't leave, and there's these like monsters that essentially hunt
them at night and they have to like hide out
in their houses and it's it. It's like lost, but
it's it's very good and it's kind of scary and violent.
Speaker 2: What's it on?
Speaker 5: I think I watched it on Amazon?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, we've given you guys a lot. Yeah, and Kaylin,
you've given us so much over the past twelve years.
Speaker 5: We figured twelve years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, twelve years.
Speaker 4: But he's not leaving. He's always going to be in
the time side after it.
Speaker 3: Yes, we all have to grow and we have to
like and and I gotta do stuff for myself for us.
Kaylen's got to do his other projects. And but we're
all still in the same circle. Yes, And Kaylin, we
just appreciate you so much. You've just been lowed. You've
been so consistent, You're so kind.
Speaker 2: I feel like you're like one of my like a
son to me, because i've known you. I remember when
you came in. It's a little baby, Kaylin, And nobody
knew his name. I didn't know his name. We called
him Brandon, Yeah, because he looked like a Brandon.
Speaker 3: We did think he looked like a Brandon.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was so quiet. You were just like kind of
in the background for a while.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just shadowing Gary for a while and
then he was like, why don't you just take this show.
It's like, okay, but.
Speaker 2: You've grown and you've matured and you've learned and you've
grown with us, and we love you and we can't
tell you how much. Yeah, I'm so proud.
Speaker 3: You've always been so supportive and just a hard worker
and consistent and just like always there for us and
very the calmest presence. Yes that that ever rattles you. Yeah,
we are just so proud of like how much you've
grown in Like you're a dad now and you have
you've never freaked out about that. You're just we can
tell you're just a good dad. And yeah, we definitely
want you in our lives.
Speaker 4: Is this where I go and get the thank you chimp? Yes,
it's the present.
Speaker 3: All right. Well, let's say let's do our last shout outs.
We've got christas Stroop's friend has the Chase Hayley project
that Sarah's lost her son to suicide, which is so sad,
and but now she's trying to do something good with
her pain to break the stigma surrounding suicide and help
fill in the gaps in her community on Ohio so
the Chase Hayleyproject dot com. The Family Skeptical Podcast another
person who started a podcast. They do an episode every
three weeks about raising kids without religion, The Family Skeptical.
I love that. Also our friend Robin Robin Robin. She
got her great dog Bosco from Pop Culture Rescue and
she wants to shout them out and get them some donations.
Pop Culture like pop Culture, but Popculture Rescue dot org.
They know times are tough, but even a small donation
can help them cover the costs of vaccines and food
and medical treatments for the dogs. All the donations are
tax deductible. Also, my friend has a Medium column called
Unbecoming Stories where she spills serious tea about her shitty
ex husband. To Unbecoming Stories on Medium and check out
her writing. Yeah, and every episode. Adam Lerner Adam's got
a car. He's shopping me a car right now? Is
he shopping?
Speaker 2: Yes, he's helping me with an Italia's car and my car?
Speaker 3: Oh good, Okay, go to adams got acar dot com.
If you're in California, it's free, and if you're anywhere
else he lowers the fee, which is low to begin with,
and he will save you money. Yeah and then uh oh.
And Laura Wingfield's friend Oscar has Queer Youth Resource Vancouver, Washington.
The website is qy RC Vancouver, WA dot org. It's
her best friend from college. They're really filling in the
gaps for queer youth.
Speaker 2: Well, we go look at their website.
Speaker 3: Yeah, please do. It's important to all of us. Okay,
thank you, Thank you. Kaylin A. You're a parent now,
still had letting go