Speaker 1: The Lake Bodha murders is one of the most infamous
Speaker 1: unsolved homicide cases in Finnish history. Four teenagers went out
Speaker 1: to enjoy night of camping and were mysteriously attacked while
Speaker 1: sleeping in their tent. Only one would survive. Despite an
Speaker 1: extensive investigation, the person responsible for these heinous murders has
Speaker 1: yet to be found.
Speaker 2: Good warning the following podcast and the graphic cemeterial for
Speaker 2: mature audience listeners. Hey, I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and you
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Speaker 1: A true crime podcast.
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Speaker 2: Cheers because it is the morning right now earning.
Speaker 1: This is a rarity for us that we're recording this
Speaker 1: first thing in the in the nicko down? Is that
Speaker 1: the same?
Speaker 2: The nick of down is the same. I think you're
Speaker 2: trying to, like say, like the nick of time and
Speaker 2: like at dawn?
Speaker 1: What is he saying though with down? Though?
Speaker 2: There we go? That was an interesting combination.
Speaker 1: I actually kind of like my my version better.
Speaker 2: Are you thinking like the crack of dawn?
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the crack crack of dawn? Ask crack of dawn?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Funny story, my dad's name is down.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go. You just made that weird?
Speaker 2: Yeah wow yeah, So welcome to Wicked and Grim. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: We're recording this a couple of days early because now
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Speaker 2: Little holiday, and we're we thought, you know what, we
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Speaker 2: probably shouldn't break episode again. So we pushed through and
Speaker 2: Nicole poll basically an all nighter to get this episode
Speaker 2: done for us tonight while I was getting ready for
Speaker 2: my vacation. Yeah, there we go, So thank you for that.
Speaker 2: What else do you have to talk about? What do
Speaker 2: you got?
Speaker 1: Oh we did a pretty fun vote on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Oh that's malarkey. That was bullshite.
Speaker 1: Oh the competition was really unfair there, Like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, to lay down the foundation for this, the expectations were.
Speaker 1: That I was going to get my ass and did
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: We knew that if you didn't know the last episode.
Speaker 2: I bought some knockoff pit vipers for my vacation, right, so,
Speaker 2: super cheap, super god awful. I looked like a complete tool,
Speaker 2: but I wore them while we were recording last time.
Speaker 1: Oh man, the whole episode was actually the worse for me.
Speaker 1: I had the worst part in all of this. That
Speaker 1: was terrible.
Speaker 2: I had no problem.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even see your eyeballs. It sucked.
Speaker 2: Again, I had no problem with it. So Yeah, anyways,
Speaker 2: we decided to do a little who Wore It Best?
Speaker 2: Over on Instagram and Facebook. I mean I think it
Speaker 2: was posted on Facebook as well, but the poll was
Speaker 2: on Instagram itself. Yeah, and it was who were at best?
Speaker 1: Between myself and little Ripley, our little I was going
Speaker 1: to say four, but I think she's still only three.
Speaker 1: Three year old husky. Yep, he was cute as hell.
Speaker 2: The results not surprising. I kicked Ripley's ass. No, I'm
Speaker 2: just kidding. Ripley kicked mine hand overfoot ninety four percent
Speaker 2: to six percent. I did have six percent of the votes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually pretty good.
Speaker 2: I had what was it like fourteen votes or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Thank you a bit more than that.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you to those people. I can't go into
Speaker 2: the analytics right now, but yeah, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: waste that time, but thank you to those people who
Speaker 2: did vote. I literally have looked through all your names
Speaker 2: and I made a mental note you guys are now
Speaker 2: in my good books. You earned some brownie points.
Speaker 1: My gosh. I think the biggest problem was the fact
Speaker 1: that I voted for Ripley.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is my issue with this whole.
Speaker 1: That was Ben's main issue. Okay, no, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: I tied my vote. So I have two accounts as
Speaker 1: I have like my personal and then I have my business,
Speaker 1: and I voted for each of you, which I thought
Speaker 1: was very fair. I love you both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is very fair if it was a fair fight. However,
Speaker 2: we already said we knew I was going to get
Speaker 2: my ass kicked, so I thought I would be able
Speaker 2: to depend on your support.
Speaker 1: You did. You got my one vote and.
Speaker 2: Ripley got your other. That's that's bullshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was That was the thing that actually made
Speaker 1: Ben the most up set there.
Speaker 2: So I it was malarkey. I failed through and through.
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Speaker 2: Okay, should we get into this. We've rambled for like
Speaker 2: five minutes already.
Speaker 1: So I just have like a disclaimer I suppose is
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of hard names to pronounce in here,
Speaker 1: so as always, we're going to do our best.
Speaker 2: Wickeds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. This is actually a case that I
Speaker 1: feel like Ben would probably have done and chosen. So
Speaker 1: I'm basically being Ben today, but with a little bit less.
Speaker 2: You need to wear.
Speaker 1: With a little bit less able to pronounce. Is that
Speaker 1: how you'd wear that, I guess with lack of pronunciation,
Speaker 1: ben with a little less lack of pronunciation and sunglasses. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I just have my normal, uh, my normal glasses, normal spectacles,
Speaker 1: my computer. Okay, Oh my gosh. This was actually kind
Speaker 1: of an interesting one to research. I enjoyed this, so
Speaker 1: not that I enjoyed what happened, but it was just
Speaker 1: a bit interesting. So today we are talking about the
Speaker 1: Lake Botom murders.
Speaker 2: So I've never even heard of this one.
Speaker 1: I know, which is mind blowing. So. Lake Botom is
Speaker 1: a Finnish lake located near the city of Espo and
Speaker 1: twenty kilometers so twelve miles west of the Finnish capital Helsinki.
Speaker 1: It just it's described as a large, tranquil lake surrounded
Speaker 1: by small villages and stands of birch and pine trees.
Speaker 1: The lake does measure approximately three kilometers in length and
Speaker 1: one kilometer in width, so it's not like a huge lake.
Speaker 2: Definitely not huge, but it sounds like a good size yeah,
Speaker 2: and birch and pine trees. That sounds like glorious country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it sounds it sounds great. So On Saturday,
Speaker 1: June fourth, nineteen sixty four, teenagers arrived at the so
Speaker 1: shore of Lake Bodom to enjoy a night of camping together.
Speaker 1: The group would consist of two couples. So we have
Speaker 1: sepo boys men, Anya Mackie, who went by her middle
Speaker 1: name to Linky, being one of the couple, and then
Speaker 1: Nils Gustavson and Mila Bjorklund being the other. So both
Speaker 1: boys were eighteen and the girls being fifteen.
Speaker 2: Two things here a well done in that pronunciation, thank you,
Speaker 2: And two I'm pretty sure this is how every horror
Speaker 2: movie in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Acause I never even thought of that. Shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like some couples going out camping to this
Speaker 2: lake and the.
Speaker 1: I never even thought of that. And honestly, this is
Speaker 1: one hundred and percent a horror story. All they were
Speaker 1: a movie or whatever you want to say.
Speaker 2: There you go. All they need now is a cabin
Speaker 2: and the necronomicon and you have evil dead or you
Speaker 2: need now is like a camp with cabins and you
Speaker 2: have Friday the thirteenth, Like.
Speaker 1: Wow, we're really set in the mood here for this thing.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, So they arrived at the lake
Speaker 1: on the boys motorcycles. They lean them up against two
Speaker 1: trees to park and went about pitching their light colored
Speaker 1: tent for the night. And so to describe I guess
Speaker 1: the tent, it's kind of one of those ones that
Speaker 1: has like a string in the middle and then the
Speaker 1: tents like.
Speaker 2: How it was like those like triangular.
Speaker 1: Strangle or once. Yeah, and it's very and it's light colored.
Speaker 1: It seemed like it was a bit small for four people,
Speaker 1: so they kind of had to like in there, you know.
Speaker 1: So Seppel was the oldest of the group. He had
Speaker 1: turned eighteen in January and was working as an apprentice electrician. Nils,
Speaker 1: who was best friends with Sepel since they were like
Speaker 1: around twelve years old or so, had turned eighteen less
Speaker 1: than a month before the camping trip, and he too
Speaker 1: was taking a similar path as Seppel as an electrician.
Speaker 1: So they seem like they're very close boys and like
Speaker 1: grew up I guess a little bit together in their
Speaker 1: teen years anyway, and then we're taking a similar path
Speaker 1: as adults. So Tulinki was the youngest of the group.
Speaker 1: She just celebrated her fifteenth birthday three months prior to
Speaker 1: the trip. Her father had been against the camping trip,
Speaker 1: but she was able to get her mother to persuade
Speaker 1: him into letting her go. I mean rightfully, so rightfully.
Speaker 1: So they were still in high school and these boys
Speaker 1: weren't right.
Speaker 2: Eighteen with fifteen, I mean, like retrospect, Yeah, three years
Speaker 2: difference isn't very big that age.
Speaker 1: At that age, three.
Speaker 2: Years is a fairly big gap.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So and then finally we had Mila. There was
Speaker 1: some speculation in the group maybe out there celebrating her birthday,
Speaker 1: as she was just two days shy of turning sixteen.
Speaker 1: So Tulinky and Mila were also best friends, so kind
Speaker 1: of cool like that they're all just like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I love that. It's hard to have like good couple friends, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Usually it's like couples are like the guy is friends
Speaker 2: with the guy because it's like the girls are friends
Speaker 2: and vice versa. It's like, not always do you find
Speaker 2: people who are actually all friends exactly.
Speaker 1: And it just had worked out that way because one
Speaker 1: of the couple started dating and then introduced the other
Speaker 1: and then they kind of started deliking each other too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there we went. So, yeah, you had to
Speaker 2: find a relationship between individuals and just have everyone be
Speaker 2: chill with it. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: So after setting up camp, the two girls decided to
Speaker 1: go for a swim while the boys enjoyed some bevies,
Speaker 1: some bebes, some bevies. There's an entry in Mila's diary
Speaker 1: from evening where she wrote that Seppo and Nills were drunk,
Speaker 1: they were up at two am, and that Seppo had
Speaker 1: gone fishing. So from my understanding, the two girls didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily partake in drinking that night, and that the couples
Speaker 1: did go to bed around midnight, but Seppo got up
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night to go fishing, which
Speaker 1: I can kind of explain here. In a sack One
Speaker 1: article I read, it mentioned it was a white night.
Speaker 1: Do you know what that is? I had no idea
Speaker 1: what that was.
Speaker 2: White night?
Speaker 1: So, which is when the sun dips just below the
Speaker 1: horizon and the light has like a grayish quality. It's
Speaker 1: almost like someone dialed down the brightness for a few hours.
Speaker 1: So it explains why he might have been up maybe
Speaker 1: having trouble fishing or sorry, sleeping, because it wasn't totally
Speaker 1: dark out and that he could still see enough to
Speaker 1: go fishing.
Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha? H Yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1: So then the sun would rise again at four in
Speaker 1: the morning, and that's about that until some time between
Speaker 1: the hour of four and six am, when it's believed
Speaker 1: the incident or attack occurred. Oh shit, So the discovery
Speaker 1: isn't quite cut and dry. There's a few stories out there,
Speaker 1: but the most common one I went with, and it
Speaker 1: seems to go as follows.
Speaker 2: You literally have me like on the edge of my
Speaker 2: seat right now. I'm so like, like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: happens here?
Speaker 1: Oh it's not good, dude, it's not good. So at
Speaker 1: six am on June fifth, when the boys were out
Speaker 1: or sorry, two boys, this is separate boys. Six am
Speaker 1: June fifth, two boys were out early bird watching. From
Speaker 1: a distance, they could see the teen's campsite, which at
Speaker 1: this point was just a collapse tent, and they also
Speaker 1: claimed that they saw a blonde man walking away from
Speaker 1: the site. It isn't until sometime later, though, around eleven am,
Speaker 1: that the actual gruesome scene is discovered. Was discovered by
Speaker 1: a man named Esco, who alerted the police, and when
Speaker 1: the police did arrive on the scene it was about noon,
Speaker 1: so quite a bit sometime later. Now, the scene that
Speaker 1: Esco discovered and that the police were faced with was
Speaker 1: horrifying to say the least outside the tent was Nils,
Speaker 1: who thankfully was still alive. He was unconscious and definitely injured,
Speaker 1: but alive. Apparently it wasn't until the police got to
Speaker 1: the scene that was even realized that he was still alive.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Now inside the collapse tent were the bodies of Sepo
Speaker 1: and Tulinky, with Mila's body being draped over the slashed
Speaker 1: and blood soaked tent. The killer had not injured the
Speaker 1: teens from inside the tent, but had attacked them from
Speaker 1: outside using a knife and an unidentified blunt object, possibly
Speaker 1: a rock.
Speaker 2: Fuck. This is literally straight out of a horror movie.
Speaker 1: So they what had happened apparently is like they cut
Speaker 1: to the strings of the tent, so the tent collapsed
Speaker 1: on the teens and then they went to town murdering them.
Speaker 1: Fuck like you would be like that. That is just
Speaker 1: horrifying to.
Speaker 2: Think, no kidding.
Speaker 1: So the murder weapons to this day have not been found.
Speaker 1: All four teenagers suffered serious blows to the head with
Speaker 1: said blunt object and had broken jaws. Both Sepo and
Speaker 1: Mala had been stabbed with Mala's injuries being significantly more
Speaker 1: brutal than the others. She was found undressed from the
Speaker 1: waist down and was stabbed fifteen times, with some of
Speaker 1: the wounds inflicted after she had already died.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 1: Several items that should have been at the crime scene weren't,
Speaker 1: which puzzled detectives, including the keys to the boy's motorcycles,
Speaker 1: but the motorcycles themselves were still left behind. Wallets, watches,
Speaker 1: and items of clothing were also taken, and belongings were
Speaker 1: scattered around, including Nil's shoes, which were hidden approximately five
Speaker 1: hundred meters from the murder site. Under Like, I think
Speaker 1: it was like a rock or something. Okay, so as
Speaker 1: it can happen. Unfortunately, there are many errors within the investigations,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 2: I can I stop you for a second and kind
Speaker 2: of tell you where my mind is going. I think
Speaker 2: this is a vagrant of sort. I think it's some
Speaker 2: individual who lives out in the woods. It seems like
Speaker 2: he found an opportunity. Like maybe he not doesn't like people,
Speaker 2: not used to people. Maybe he literally grew up as
Speaker 2: a fucking child out in the bush alone. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but someone who's out in the bush and doesn't like
Speaker 2: people doesn't see them as people, just saw them as
Speaker 2: an opportunity to take things for himself. So things like
Speaker 2: shoes that he grabbed and then realize they don't really
Speaker 2: fit or maybe I'm going to stow them for later
Speaker 2: or something like that. Took these odds and ends. He
Speaker 2: doesn't know how to drive a motorbicle a motorbike at all,
Speaker 2: so we just took things and went off to wherever
Speaker 2: he lived. M interesting, that's kind of where my mind's
Speaker 2: going right now. But there's more details to come, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: So that really well could change.
Speaker 1: Well and did I say that this is unsolved?
Speaker 2: You did?
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, So yeah, there are like four four theories
Speaker 1: suspects I suppose that will go through. So this is
Speaker 1: like totally a bend case.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I love these ones where you get to
Speaker 2: like have.
Speaker 1: Theories and you and your mind gets kind of wander
Speaker 1: and figure it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get to like talk about it and try
Speaker 2: and think and come up with possibilities and well what if?
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's it's intriguing.
Speaker 1: Totally, Yeah, it absolutely is.
Speaker 2: And the biggest thing is because it really gets you
Speaker 2: talking about the psyche of individuals because I mean sure, Okay,
Speaker 2: an individual does a heinous crime and they take someone's life,
Speaker 2: they go to court, and they're in jail. Most of
Speaker 2: the time, there's not much to really ask questions about
Speaker 2: as far as why. Sometimes they say it sometimes it's
Speaker 2: pretty cut and dry, or sometimes it's just they're.
Speaker 1: Really weird, or they could be throwing you right off
Speaker 1: and saying yeah, like something completely.
Speaker 2: But even still, the questions are much more narrow because
Speaker 2: you know who it is, you know the time, you
Speaker 2: know everything. When you don't know these things, you start
Speaker 2: you need to ask these broad questions to even begin
Speaker 2: to narrow it down. And that idea of these broad
Speaker 2: questions to try and understand what the fuck is crazy?
Speaker 2: Wild to me?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and even with this case, so, I mean,
Speaker 1: there isn't it even a ton known because well, three
Speaker 1: of the four victims are deceased and the one has
Speaker 1: a head had a head injury. And then as in
Speaker 1: boat to go through, like the police kind of watched
Speaker 1: it fucked up a bit here.
Speaker 2: Okay, well let's hear how badly fucked up.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're ready, I'm ready. So the police did not
Speaker 1: quarantine off the area, and they failed to take official
Speaker 1: records of their findings. To put it vaguely here.
Speaker 2: What that's literally like those are your final steps.
Speaker 1: That's like your jobs. So basically, once the police did leave,
Speaker 1: the crime scene wasn't blocked off whatsoever, so curious onlookers
Speaker 1: and careless campers were able to trample around and disturb
Speaker 1: the murder scene, further contamining the site and disturbing any
Speaker 1: pressor's evidence that may have been left behind from the
Speaker 1: initial search that is wild. Once the mistake was realized,
Speaker 1: they called the military inn to help, so invited more
Speaker 1: people onto the crime scene to assist with looking for
Speaker 1: evidence and missing items like the murder weapons. Searches of
Speaker 1: the lake was done with metal detectorists I think it's
Speaker 1: how you say it, and archa digs as this set
Speaker 1: as the site never uncovered any missing items, so like
Speaker 1: the weapons, like all those people coming in there, nothing
Speaker 1: was ever discovered. And it said that maybe onlookers could
Speaker 1: have taken something right like curious a souvenir potentially, or
Speaker 1: like the police might even like loss some of the things.
Speaker 2: Yeah so, or potentially someone could have maybe taken it
Speaker 2: thinking it's like, oh someone lost this, I won if
Speaker 2: I can find the owner, not even thinking it's related
Speaker 2: to the crimes. Oh absolutely, yeah, Oh I found someone's keys.
Speaker 2: I wonder who these are.
Speaker 1: And then to top it all off, many of the
Speaker 1: items which were collected were so soaked in the victim's blood,
Speaker 1: so the evidence that may have been left on them
Speaker 1: was destroyed.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So like it was literally like what was collected? Really?
Speaker 1: You know what? I don't know, it was just from
Speaker 1: the beginning, just fucked for lack of better words.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So once Nils, who they had kind of put some
Speaker 1: pressure on, the sole survivor of the teens, have worked
Speaker 1: covered enough, he was interviewed by the police regarding the incident,
Speaker 1: like maybe he remembers some things. He remembered very little
Speaker 1: to nothing about the attack or much of the prior evening.
Speaker 1: He was drinking right, and he had suffered a head injury,
Speaker 1: so it's not to be completely unexpected, but it was
Speaker 1: definitely disappointing. The one thing that he did remember, though,
Speaker 1: was a blonde man who he glimpsed through one of
Speaker 1: the rips in the tent during the attack, which was
Speaker 1: interesting because the boys out bird watching said they saw
Speaker 1: a blonde man walking away from the site at around
Speaker 1: six am that morning, and there was another potential witness, Olive,
Speaker 1: who was fourteen years old and fishing at the time,
Speaker 1: that also saw a blonde man roughly between twenty to
Speaker 1: thirty around five foot eight inches tall, running from the
Speaker 1: location of the tent around six am as well. Oh shit,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so that's something.
Speaker 2: I would say that is most likely we are men.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would say so too. So police allegedly interviewed
Speaker 1: around four thousand people.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: So though they watched the crime scene, they did seem
Speaker 1: to put in their efforts in regards to interviewing people.
Speaker 1: But that's a lot of people.
Speaker 2: That seems absurd to say they interviewed four thousand. How
Speaker 2: could four thousand people, even I don't know skin to
Speaker 2: be correlated to this.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they're yeah, rumors maybe are spreading. Then
Speaker 1: they're just like chit chat and people even on their doorstep,
Speaker 1: like who knows. I don't know how they.
Speaker 2: Got to that number, but still four thousand is a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the lives of Sepo, Mila and Tulinky were
Speaker 1: celebrated on June thirteenth. Their white coffins were covered in
Speaker 1: sweet pea blossoms with the teens being buried together.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm just like, oh my gosh, Well they're
Speaker 1: all friends, I guess.
Speaker 2: Right, hm, and they went through something incredibly tragic together.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So that brings us to the list of
Speaker 1: potential suspects. Really like, there's not a lot that's known here,
Speaker 1: and there's four of them, So in no particular order,
Speaker 1: we'll start with Carl Jilstrom, also referred to as the
Speaker 1: Kiosk Keeper or kios Man, being that he ran a
Speaker 1: small wooden summer kios at Oodola Beach. I might be
Speaker 1: I've watched that story just a few hundred meters from
Speaker 1: where the teens were camping that night, and he also
Speaker 1: lived close by.
Speaker 2: So did no one hear any fucking screams or anything?
Speaker 1: Even the people that were out there and stuff. No
Speaker 1: one apparently heard anything. Wow, which I find very odd.
Speaker 1: That is because I was thinking, like, this was it's
Speaker 1: not that big.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I was kind of almost thinking he
Speaker 2: was a little bit more secluded. But by the sounds
Speaker 2: of this guy's only like a few hundred meters away,
Speaker 2: you said, the.
Speaker 1: Burdis guy, Yeah, he lived close by. Oh yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if he would have been at his key.
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess at the time.
Speaker 1: Right, like it was very early in the morning.
Speaker 2: Well, the only thing I was thinking was like the
Speaker 2: bird watchers, I'm like, did they not hear the screams?
Speaker 2: But then I was also like, well, they're probably a
Speaker 2: distracted and maybe you know, thinking maybe it was a
Speaker 2: bird off in the distance and that's what drew their
Speaker 2: attention to looking that way to the camp. Who knows,
Speaker 2: but you.
Speaker 1: Would think that it would be it would have been
Speaker 1: very loud, I would think so for any people being murdered, sound.
Speaker 2: Travels across water very well.
Speaker 1: I know I kind of thought of that too, but
Speaker 1: I could nothing really ever said anything about that. It
Speaker 1: just said that, for example, the one little boy fisherman
Speaker 1: who was fourteen, didn't hear anything. So so many locals
Speaker 1: suspected Carl because he was known to be hostile towards campers.
Speaker 1: One local man, Ulf Johansson, he's a local author and councilman,
Speaker 1: would tell Finnland News website that no local would have
Speaker 1: camped in that place where the four camped. The locals
Speaker 1: knew that kiosk Man would cut the tent strings so
Speaker 1: that the tent fell down, felt loud, and left. This
Speaker 1: is what the kios Man always did. If someone dared
Speaker 1: to set up a tent on the site, he chased
Speaker 1: away everyone who came there to camp. He claimed that
Speaker 1: Karl had mental health issues so severe that he was
Speaker 1: admitted to hospital during World War Two, and on top
Speaker 1: of all of that, also had a drinking problem.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, And.
Speaker 1: He was territorial over his section of the lake shore
Speaker 1: and a person Johansson, being of similar age to the
Speaker 1: murdered kids, said Carl hit him in the back with
Speaker 1: a rock one day as he cycled along the road
Speaker 1: to the lake past Karl's kios.
Speaker 2: Holy shit. Okay, So either in my mind we have
Speaker 2: our individual or we have someone who did it like him,
Speaker 2: knowing that it would be pinned on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets there's more here. It gets worse with him.
Speaker 1: So Nils and Seppo apparently bought lemonade for from Karl
Speaker 1: on June fourth, the day they arrived at the lake. Police, however,
Speaker 1: found no evidence to link him to the murders and
Speaker 1: accepted his alibi, and his wife backed up his alibi,
Speaker 1: saying that he was at home asleep with her like
Speaker 1: in bed. But in nineteen sixty nine, So nine years later,
Speaker 1: after the murders, while drunk one night, Carl allegedly admitted
Speaker 1: to committing the murders to a neighbor, saying, you bloody idiot,
Speaker 1: don't you realize I'm the Bodham murderer? What am I
Speaker 1: going to do? In August of that year, after a
Speaker 1: three day drinking binge, Carl actually drowned in Lake Bodom,
Speaker 1: most likely by suicide. Police dismissed his confession due to
Speaker 1: his drunken state, and they considered him disturbed. However, I'm
Speaker 1: not too sure when, but as his wife was on
Speaker 1: her deathbed, she recanted her alibi, saying she gave a
Speaker 1: false alibi and that she believed her husband actually committed
Speaker 1: the murder.
Speaker 2: Well, what the fuck we have our guy?
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems very I don't know.
Speaker 2: The wife believes he did it. Yeah, falsified her alibi.
Speaker 2: He confess confessed in a drunken stupor, and the police
Speaker 2: shrugged it off because he was drunk. And yet when
Speaker 2: people are drunk, that's usually when they're the most honest.
Speaker 1: He already had an aggressive tendency towards campers like he
Speaker 1: didn't seem like he was a happy man.
Speaker 2: And some of the things that he did in the
Speaker 2: past link up to things that happened in this crowd.
Speaker 2: We have our fucking dude case closed. Podcasts done, ladies
Speaker 2: and gentlemen. You don't have to listen anymore.
Speaker 1: I know that one's very convincing.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm sorry, but I'm sold your soul. I don't
Speaker 2: think that they.
Speaker 1: Don't even want to hear any of the other ones.
Speaker 2: I want to hear. But I'm almost guaranteeing you that
Speaker 2: I will not be have my mind changed.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I should note though Karl was dark haired,
Speaker 1: he didn't have blond hair, but some have said it
Speaker 1: was him they saw back from the murder scene that night,
Speaker 1: and we're just too afraid to call the police about him.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that's what we have about Carl.
Speaker 2: But some not cool Carl.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is a fucking thing.
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 1: Wow. Someone was like, you need to make a T
Speaker 1: shirt of I'd wear that shit. But then you run
Speaker 1: into someone in real life that same Carl and they'll
Speaker 1: be like, what do you mean.
Speaker 2: You just look at them and just be like, not
Speaker 2: cool Carl, and you walk away.
Speaker 1: And you will leave the situation.
Speaker 2: This merch is going to happen. It's going to be
Speaker 2: a shirt that says not cool.
Speaker 1: It would be pretty funny. Okay, So another suspect would
Speaker 1: be Hans ass Assmen. Is that how you would say
Speaker 1: that asthmen? Asmen is assmen or asthmen. We have a
Speaker 1: funeral home with the same kid. I think we've mentioned
Speaker 1: this sort it's a terrible name for a funeral home,
Speaker 1: but Asman's Funeral Asman's Funeral Chapel, which actually was featured
Speaker 1: on Ellen at one point. Oh seriously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were going through some memes or something in
Speaker 2: a picture of it was brought up and she's like,
Speaker 2: Asman's Funeral Chapel taking care of you and the ter end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's quite the thing. So what actually
Speaker 1: they pronounced it ah Asman, But I think I don't
Speaker 1: know if Hans was Asthmen, I don't know. I'll probably
Speaker 1: go back and forth. Asmen's funnier.
Speaker 2: We don't necessarily want to just say, hey, let's talk
Speaker 2: about the funny things in true crime.
Speaker 1: Well, this is a suspect though, so we don't care
Speaker 1: about him.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we're not going to assume he's guilty.
Speaker 1: I suppose fine, I'll be nicer asthmen.
Speaker 2: I'll call him well, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Okay. So Asmin was blonde. Okay, there's one thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm so old. This is the guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're changing your course here. So and he was
Speaker 1: thirty six years old, so fit the description the investigators had,
Speaker 1: and he also lived close to the lake. Something I
Speaker 1: haven't mentioned yet is that both Nils and oo Levy.
Speaker 1: I really hope I'm saying that right. The fourteen year
Speaker 1: old that was fishing went under hypnosis to see what
Speaker 1: they could remember, and they just described a man who
Speaker 1: had actually quite a resemblance to Asmen.
Speaker 2: You didn't tell me that they had hiten. Now, so
Speaker 2: there's more.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more information, Ben. You might have spoken
Speaker 1: way too fucking sick.
Speaker 2: I thought you had given all the information on the case,
Speaker 2: and now it was just information on the individuals to come.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like to sprinkle it all throughout you.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So I might change my mind then if
Speaker 2: more information.
Speaker 1: Actually you might so. Oddly enough, Asmen had gone to
Speaker 1: the Helsinki hospital the day after the murders, too, suffering
Speaker 1: from stomach complaints. It was noted that his fingernails were
Speaker 1: quite dirty like basically black, His clothes were covered in dirt,
Speaker 1: and there also seemed to be a reddish stain appearing
Speaker 1: on them that a lot of people thought was blood.
Speaker 1: Hospital staff reported that Asmin was drunk and acting nervous
Speaker 1: and aggressive. Place did question him, but dismissed him as
Speaker 1: a suspect, being that he was with his girlfriend and
Speaker 1: two other people in Helsinki overnight and the following morning.
Speaker 1: His clothes were apparently never tested for blood, which.
Speaker 2: Is terrible, okay, but he does have an alibi.
Speaker 1: Though he does have an alibi. So though Asman didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily have a motive to murder the teens, he has
Speaker 1: also been linked to other unsolved murders of people in Finland.
Speaker 2: Oh shit so the murder.
Speaker 1: Of seventeen year old Kulinki Sorry on the west coast
Speaker 1: of Finland in May nineteen fifty three, and a double
Speaker 1: killing of campers in North Karelia, Finland in July nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty nine. A series of popular books theorized that Asmen
Speaker 1: committed the Lake Boaha murders and these others, speculating that
Speaker 1: he may be a serial killer that's never been caught.
Speaker 1: He died in nineteen ninety eight. Now this is a
Speaker 1: side note, but I need to put it in his section.
Speaker 1: There's a photograph that surfaced from the funeral. It's a
Speaker 1: crowd of people, and within the crowd is a person
Speaker 1: with quite a resemblance to the drawing that was done
Speaker 1: up from Nils describing what they attack or look like
Speaker 1: while he was under his hypnosis from.
Speaker 2: The what funeral story?
Speaker 1: Exactly like the funeral of the teens. Okay, So the
Speaker 1: identity of this mysterious man does remain unknown, but some
Speaker 1: do believe that it looks like Asmin, and sources say
Speaker 1: Asmen wasn't in attendance at the funeral though, And I
Speaker 1: can show you this photo. So this is the photo
Speaker 1: of the man. It's actually like it looks like so weird.
Speaker 1: That's the funeral photo of the man.
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, that's really hard to see. That's like a
Speaker 2: super old photo. And look it's very old.
Speaker 1: And then I'm going to show you a photo of
Speaker 1: the drawing that was done and then what Asmen looks like.
Speaker 2: That's that's pretty damn close.
Speaker 1: That's it's like a pretty resemblance there.
Speaker 2: Hey, there is, but to be fair, I mean it's
Speaker 2: not spot on. There are some features that are not
Speaker 2: quite there. Some features are there, but some aren't.
Speaker 1: It's mostly in the eyes, I think, really right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know that's technically I guess another suspect
Speaker 1: really could be so and I mean someone probably would
Speaker 1: have recognized if Asmond was at the funeral, right, but
Speaker 1: the source says that he was not in attendance.
Speaker 2: But they don't know who that individual is.
Speaker 1: No, huh no, very interesting and he stands out so
Speaker 1: much in that picture it almost just seems weird. It's
Speaker 1: off to me for some reason, not that I think
Speaker 1: it's photoshopped or anything. It just seems random in there.
Speaker 1: This person that doesn't that looks kind of off.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he probably only really looks off because
Speaker 2: we're drawn to him, we're looking at him.
Speaker 1: I guess there you go, yeah, oh that's there's a
Speaker 1: circle around him. He looks funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a circle around that person that looks off.
Speaker 1: But if you were just a look at the photo,
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't have eve been appointed him O take exactly. Okay,
Speaker 1: so next suspect would be penty soanin there isn't a
Speaker 1: lot of information in regards to this suspect, other than
Speaker 1: he allegedly also confessed to the killings while he was
Speaker 1: serving time in prison for thefts. For thefts and violent crimes.
Speaker 1: He would have only been fifteen at the time of
Speaker 1: the murder, but was in the area at the time.
Speaker 1: The police again did not take his confession seriously, as
Speaker 1: he had a history of drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness,
Speaker 1: and psychosis so was seen to be unreliable. He did
Speaker 1: hang himself in nineteen sixty nine while being transported between prisons.
Speaker 2: So that's all they have on him though, just that
Speaker 2: he confessed at one point.
Speaker 1: Which people do false confess all the time when they
Speaker 1: do don't really understand. But yeah, but then I mean
Speaker 1: at the time of that murder, he was fifteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like two there was two eighteen year olds and
Speaker 1: two fifteen year old girls. Like I can't see him.
Speaker 1: I mean, grant, I guess they would have been stuck
Speaker 1: in that tent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't let the fifteen year old age get to you.
Speaker 1: Two. This is just like I never want to go
Speaker 1: tenting again. I feel like that's horrific, Like you would
Speaker 1: have no chance, no chance I don't think not necessari Wow,
Speaker 1: it'd be pretty to get out of that alive, Nils did.
Speaker 1: But okay, so last, but not certainly least would be
Speaker 1: our last suspect. And do you have any guesses?
Speaker 2: Is it some vagrant dude?
Speaker 1: I think you should be able to guess this one?
Speaker 2: Is it Nils himself?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that's literally my next nine Nills himself, He
Speaker 1: said it so end. He was actually arrested in two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, so forty four years after the murders.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: At the time, he was married with two children, living
Speaker 1: in a living a quiet life, and he was working
Speaker 1: as a bus driver. It was announced that they had
Speaker 1: re examined the tent and other surviving evidence using modern
Speaker 1: forensic techniques, and that based on the new forensic analysis,
Speaker 1: they declared the case solved, with the sole survivor, Nils,
Speaker 1: now aged sixty two, being responsible for the murders. Police
Speaker 1: and the prosecution claimed that Nils had killed his best
Speaker 1: friend Seppo and the two girls using rocks and a knife.
Speaker 1: Among one of the missing items from the crime scene
Speaker 1: was actually Sepel's knife, which they believed could have been
Speaker 1: the murder weapon. But then also like, how do they
Speaker 1: know that he didn't just maybe forget it or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't exactly.
Speaker 1: So they stated that his motive was sexual jealousy, that
Speaker 1: he'd been in a state of rage over Mila, and
Speaker 1: that his broken jaw was the result of a fight
Speaker 1: he got with Seppel over the girls. Being that as
Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Mila suffered the most significant injuries, this could
Speaker 1: make sense, being that the attack maybe was personal.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think so. This is one of
Speaker 2: the farthest things from the truth in my mind. But
Speaker 2: keep going, I'll explain.
Speaker 1: Why Nils's trials started on August fourth, two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: A key exhibit exhibit in the prosecution's case was Nil's shoes,
Speaker 1: which showed blood from the three murdered victims, but not
Speaker 1: a single drop of his own blood. I think it
Speaker 1: was initially believed that the killer had worn Nil's shoes
Speaker 1: or something and then hidden them, since they were found
Speaker 1: five hundred yards away from the tent, which is sort
Speaker 1: of odd. When Nils was found, he was on top
Speaker 1: of the tent bare foot. With this new development, the
Speaker 1: prosecution was saying that Nils Nil's injuries must have occurred
Speaker 1: at a different time than the attacks of the others
Speaker 1: and that because of this, Nils must have committed the murders,
Speaker 1: faked the theft of missing items by hiding them, further
Speaker 1: injured himself, and then went back to the tent where,
Speaker 1: now barefoot, he pretended to be unconscious. You're just like
Speaker 1: staring at me like I'm saying something completely ridiculous.
Speaker 2: No, that there's some weight to this. I'm just listening.
Speaker 2: Is that it? Or is now?
Speaker 1: Because now there's like the defense.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.
Speaker 1: So Nil's defense lawyer argued that the murders were the
Speaker 1: work of someone from the outside and that Nils would
Speaker 1: have been incapable of killing three people given the extent
Speaker 1: of his own injuries. So to refresh your memory, his
Speaker 1: injuries consisted of a broken jaw, head wound, concussion, and
Speaker 1: a deep gash to his face. The lawyer mentioned they
Speaker 1: were also too severe to have been self inflicted, because
Speaker 1: that was another thing. Maybe he just self inflicted his injuries.
Speaker 1: They said he was in the tent with the others
Speaker 1: when an unknown person approached, cut the tent ropes, causing
Speaker 1: it to collapse, and then began attacking them through the
Speaker 1: fabric as they lay trapped. They stated that traces of
Speaker 1: Nil's blood was found inside the tent and that he
Speaker 1: was a victim along with the others.
Speaker 2: Okay, am I good to go now? Okay, so there
Speaker 2: is some possibility of that being the case, but I
Speaker 2: think it's very very slim, and I'm going to tell
Speaker 2: you the main reason why I think this is not
Speaker 2: the possibility. So they say that he had a broken job, correct, correct,
Speaker 2: and then among that he had things that concussion, gash
Speaker 2: in his face, that sort of thing. Yeah, So the
Speaker 2: theory for it being him as the murderer, he would
Speaker 2: have had to have gotten in a fight over the
Speaker 2: jealous lover the situation in right. Yeah, so okay, he
Speaker 2: got in a fight at some point, got his job broken.
Speaker 2: This would have most likely have had to have happened
Speaker 2: befour Otherwise it doesn't make sense. And if it does,
Speaker 2: does happen before, again, it doesn't make sense. So you're
Speaker 2: telling me either A they got in a fight while
Speaker 2: everyone is inside the tent and broke his jaw and
Speaker 2: he manages to kill everybody and then fakes the scene
Speaker 2: by cutting the strings and everything afterwards not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: That just does not make sense or scenario B, they
Speaker 2: get in a fight prior to his jaw is broken,
Speaker 2: and then everyone goes and sleeps in the tent, all
Speaker 2: cuddled up together, and he is left outside and then
Speaker 2: attacks them when he most likely has a concussion or
Speaker 2: something too on top of it. Yeah, so they're all
Speaker 2: going to just cuddle up and be okay with him
Speaker 2: outside in a broken jaw, and then he's the attacker.
Speaker 2: I don't think so well.
Speaker 1: I mean, in one article too stated that his feet
Speaker 1: weren't dirty, so he's like running around hiding shit all
Speaker 1: over the place like I just or like would Seppo
Speaker 1: not have had like I mean, I guess Seppel could
Speaker 1: have got an injury to his hand if he had
Speaker 1: punched Nils right, but he could have got an injury
Speaker 1: to his hand during the actual attack too.
Speaker 2: It not make sense to me one iota.
Speaker 1: It does seem odd though that his shoes. The shoe
Speaker 1: situation does seem like a bit odd to me. It does,
Speaker 1: But I mean, someone murdering all these teens like this,
Speaker 1: I'm sure isn't quite all there and Gosh knows what
Speaker 1: they're doing, right mm.
Speaker 2: Hmm, So sorry there was blood foulntain his shoes.
Speaker 1: The shoe, Yeah, his shoes had all three of victims blood,
Speaker 1: but not on his own, gotcha.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what about this is a theory because he
Speaker 2: was the one out fishing, right, No? No, oh, he wasn't.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But then some people say there were some people
Speaker 1: that speculated too that maybe like Nils was trying to
Speaker 1: get like his girlfriend to have sex with him or whatever,
Speaker 1: and she didn't want to, and then Seppo had to
Speaker 1: like intervene, And so I don't know, I mean, no
Speaker 1: one's really gonna know what exactly happened.
Speaker 2: No, but I don't think it was one of the
Speaker 2: kids themselves. I don't that one of them is responsible
Speaker 2: for this. I think it is an outside source.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, to all of a sudden just have that
Speaker 1: much aggression when you haven't really had any signs of
Speaker 1: that prior to does seem a lot. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was drinking and stuff, but I mean that I'm sure
Speaker 1: that wasn't the first time he was drinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's some things that line up too much
Speaker 2: with Carl for it to be one of the kids.
Speaker 1: For You're still team Carl.
Speaker 2: I am still team Carl, but I'm not saying for
Speaker 2: sure it's Carl. Now, what I'm saying is that these
Speaker 2: kids were not from the area, right, because everyone said
Speaker 2: no one from the area would camp there because they
Speaker 2: know about Carl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they weren't that far away, like I think
Speaker 1: they said that the drive took them half an hour
Speaker 1: or so.
Speaker 2: Okay, but yes, it's not their specific areas. They're not
Speaker 2: necessarily familiar with the area because if they were, they
Speaker 2: wouldn't camp there yea.
Speaker 1: And I don't think they had been there much prior
Speaker 1: to maybe once just to check it out. I think
Speaker 1: was all.
Speaker 2: So if they don't know this information, they don't know
Speaker 2: things about like cutting the tent strings for example, Yes,
Speaker 2: someone who's setting up this scene to make it look
Speaker 2: like it was someone else who did it. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: would cut the ten strings to make it look like
Speaker 2: Carl did it if they knew he didn't know, why
Speaker 2: would he do something so specific? Then?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, And I mean they did have that encounter
Speaker 1: with Carl early on, right, so I mean maybe they
Speaker 1: did something that pissed him off or something. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still team Carl, but I'm not saying it
Speaker 2: was just Carl. I think he might have been in
Speaker 2: it with the Asthmin gay. I think they might have
Speaker 2: both done it. Maybe it was an accumulation. Maybe the
Speaker 2: one Asmin dude was spying on or whatever and saw
Speaker 2: Carl come over and cut the ten strings, run away laughing,
Speaker 2: and then Asmon was just like, I'm going to just
Speaker 2: finish the job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but as serial killer, that wouldn't be that fun
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 2: Why not, because now it's going to be pinned on
Speaker 2: the other guy who already cut the strings, I guess.
Speaker 2: And then Carl could have been in a drunken stupor
Speaker 2: and woke up the next morning and saw it they
Speaker 2: were dead, and he's like, what the fuck did I
Speaker 2: do last night? I killed these kids?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could have legitimately believed that he did. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Holy heck.
Speaker 2: Now that is my theory. Carl cut the ten strings,
Speaker 2: did his normal thing whatever, and then someone Asmin jumped
Speaker 2: on the opportunity, and then Carl believed he must have
Speaker 2: done it because what else would have happened. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: my theory. It was it was the two of them.
Speaker 2: Maybe they were working together and it was planned, but
Speaker 2: maybe it was just the happenstance that that worked out.
Speaker 2: That way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Now, like my brain, I'm just like I
Speaker 1: don't know I was. I'm not one hundred percent sure
Speaker 1: that it wasn't Nils, to be honest, but I more
Speaker 1: so think that it wasn't him. But the Carl does
Speaker 1: make it makes sense, but it doesn't because, like I to,
Speaker 1: just like he kind of just like teased people more
Speaker 1: so like in an asshole way. He teased them, but
Speaker 1: he never had, like I don't know, just to tease
Speaker 1: someone and then go to that aggression. It's just like night.
Speaker 2: Day, which is why I think he might have just
Speaker 2: cut the ten strings right way. Then the other guy
Speaker 2: took care of it, and yeah, Carl was like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck did I do?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, because that other guy had murdered other
Speaker 1: campers at one point in time.
Speaker 2: So that's my theory.
Speaker 1: Okay. So in October seventh, two thousand and five, Nils
Speaker 1: was acquitted of all charges on the grounds that the
Speaker 1: prosecution evidence was inconclusive. They failed to show an appropriate
Speaker 1: motive for such an extreme crime, and given so much
Speaker 1: time had passed, the facts now seemed like impossible. He
Speaker 1: was awarded forty four nine hundred yuros. So about fifty
Speaker 1: eight thousand USD in damages for the mental suffering mental suffering,
Speaker 1: and was in the way that he was treated by
Speaker 1: the police in the media. If he didn't do it,
Speaker 1: it sure seems shitty to survive something so brutal that
Speaker 1: I'm sure you struggle with on a daily basis and
Speaker 1: then get blamed for it and have your name drug
Speaker 1: through the mud.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think if he did do it, though
Speaker 2: me personally not saying he didn't, but I think there's
Speaker 2: just a very very small chance it was him. If
Speaker 2: he did do it, he is very lucky the police
Speaker 2: watched that scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, anyone that did this is very lucky.
Speaker 2: Yep. So there's one more thing that doesn't add up
Speaker 2: to me with him though, because he had his head
Speaker 2: hit with a rock, presumably he had a concussion, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So he would have either had to have run around
Speaker 2: and hit all this stuff prior to and then hit
Speaker 2: his head with a rock and had the concussion and
Speaker 2: just lay there so they would have been able to
Speaker 2: find the rock rape beside him, or he hit him
Speaker 2: how self in the head with the rock and then
Speaker 2: ran around and did all this stuff, which is like
Speaker 2: not very plausible for them with a head injury.
Speaker 1: And then I mean, if he was just running around
Speaker 1: hiding all this stuff, I feel like some of the
Speaker 1: things would have been found.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably wouldn't have been running that far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and considering none of those items were found, that's
Speaker 1: just very odd.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I feel like someone had to
Speaker 1: physically have taken them from the site.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: So the spot where the three finished teams were brutally
Speaker 1: murdered is still a campground today with the legend of
Speaker 1: the Botom murderer fearing the generation. Since being that this
Speaker 1: case is over sixty years old, it's unlikely you'll ever
Speaker 1: get solved. The perpetrator is most likely of old age
Speaker 1: or already deceased.
Speaker 2: Damn, that is a wild case. My mind is going
Speaker 2: to mile a minute.
Speaker 1: That case is also very much so compared often to
Speaker 1: the one, the very first one.
Speaker 2: We did Diotlive Pass.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like a little bit similar and well
Speaker 1: it's reminiscent of the tent right, Yeah, and that it's
Speaker 1: kind of older, and it doesn't seem like there's any
Speaker 1: likelihood that it's going to get solved, But you know,
Speaker 1: you never know, you never know.
Speaker 2: Well, there is a case known as the American version
Speaker 2: of the diatlot past.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had mentioned that to media.
Speaker 2: The day, and I think I'm going to be doing
Speaker 2: that case here pretty quick. We've had it recommended to
Speaker 2: us a few times, so I think it's going to
Speaker 2: be coming down the pipe soon. I don't know how soon,
Speaker 2: but it will be one that I cover.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well done. That was definitely a case that is
Speaker 2: usually up my alley. I know, unexpected for you to
Speaker 2: cover it.
Speaker 1: Well, it was supposed to be your week, So I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna be ben.
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be my week. What the hell?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean doing the case, So I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to just be men today.
Speaker 2: Was it supposed to be my week?
Speaker 1: I think so, But that's okay.
Speaker 2: I just I just did the Patreon episode.
Speaker 1: Though you have you have definitely got me out of
Speaker 1: thick water sometimes.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I do appreciate it. And speaking of
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we just dropped one on there that you
Speaker 1: that you did, and I think we only had hinted
Speaker 1: at that. So do you want to say what it was?
Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was? What was it? Shit?
Speaker 2: What was it? I literally can't remember. I'm blanking. My
Speaker 2: mind has been everywhere with trying to get ready for
Speaker 2: this trip. Oh what was it? Do you remember? No,
Speaker 2: you don't remember either. How can you be giving me
Speaker 2: that much shit? Life of True Crime podcast? I don't remember. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: we go through so many cases.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't want us detecting or being detectives on a case.
Speaker 2: Apparently, no kidding, we would watch that scene a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: Holy Anyways, the Patreon Oh well, that's right. It was
Speaker 2: Stephen Melkie the Blindfolded Death.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah, that was yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well well done in today's episode. That was
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Speaker 2: here coming soon with some more true crime coming down
Speaker 2: the pipe. There we go, and of course, as always,
Speaker 2: stay wicked.