Speaker 1: Hi, This is Fredgreen of Golf Smarter with our spring
Speaker 1: back into golf season with the late Tony Manzoni. This
Speaker 1: episode was the third time Tony returned to our show.
Speaker 1: We're bringing back every conversation we had with Tony in
Speaker 1: order before he passed away in twenty eighteen. To learn
Speaker 1: more about Tony and our tax deductible fund created in
Speaker 1: his memory to benefit the first t of Coachella Valley,
Speaker 1: please go to golfsmarter dot com. There you'll find as
Speaker 1: much as we could find about Tony online and links
Speaker 1: to his book, The Lost Fundamental, One Simple Move Better
Speaker 1: Golf Forever. It's available on Amazon and paperback and the
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Speaker 2: Enjoy golf Smarter number two hundred and ninety one on
Speaker 2: July twenty six, twenty eleven, One Simple Move Better Golf
Speaker 2: Forever with Tony Manzoni.
Speaker 3: This is golf Smarter sharing tips and insights from golfers
Speaker 3: and golf professionals to help lower your score.
Speaker 1: It's worked for your host, Fred Green.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast.
Speaker 3: Tony, Hey, Fred, how are you.
Speaker 2: I am so glad to hear your voice once again.
Speaker 2: We had such a great time when we came down
Speaker 2: to Palm Desert and spent that morning with you.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: My buddy Neil and I came down to Palm Desert
Speaker 2: and played some golf. But before we even started our golf,
Speaker 2: we got a chance about an hour hour and a
Speaker 2: half to give Neil a lesson Anil had never had.
Speaker 2: He's been playing golf most of his life, he's never
Speaker 2: had a lesson. This is the first time that he'd
Speaker 2: ever had a lesson, and I was able to capture
Speaker 2: it on video with two different cameras running at the
Speaker 2: same time. So I'm very excited to announced that not
Speaker 2: only is this podcast now available, but a video of
Speaker 2: Neil's lesson given by Tony Manzoni, the very first lesson
Speaker 2: on video by Tony Manzoni, has been posted to YouTube
Speaker 2: and the Golf Smarter TV channel.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited. Thank you.
Speaker 3: That was great fun, I'll tell you that, And Neil responded,
Speaker 3: I wish I could get everyone to do it that quickly.
Speaker 3: Was It really was terrific.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was funny because all during the round
Speaker 2: of golf that we had that day in thirty five
Speaker 2: mile an hour wins, he was like, you know, he
Speaker 2: was so focused on what he had learned from you
Speaker 2: that morning, and even after a round it that he
Speaker 2: didn't say he said, just don't write down my score.
Speaker 2: I don't want to know about score. I said, good
Speaker 2: for you because you're working on something. And then after
Speaker 2: the round of golf we went back to the driving
Speaker 2: range and he worked even harder on it. And one
Speaker 2: more thing, he had never gone to the driving range
Speaker 2: after a round of golf. Is there a lot of
Speaker 2: value golf for players because we always see the guys
Speaker 2: on the tour they go to the driving range after
Speaker 2: a round of golf.
Speaker 4: Is that a good thing for us to do? Oh?
Speaker 3: Sure, because you know, you have a real clear memory
Speaker 3: of what's just transpired on the golf course and some
Speaker 3: of the things that didn't worked out, and that's where
Speaker 3: you work a lot. I mean, Ben Hogan was one
Speaker 3: of the first props to do that. When he gets
Speaker 3: through on the golf and shout an incredible score in
Speaker 3: most cases as fills out there practicing because he had
Speaker 3: a two iron that he didn't like or so forth.
Speaker 3: So it's very beneficial for people to do that at
Speaker 3: any level.
Speaker 4: Fabulous. Well, let's talk about congratulations.
Speaker 2: Your book is now available and we have it on
Speaker 2: our website at golfsmarter dot com and our golfers Mart.
Speaker 2: We're going to feature it in the golfers martin it's
Speaker 2: going to be highly visible. It's called The Loss Fundamental,
Speaker 2: One simple move, Better Golf Forever, and that really is
Speaker 2: your theory, huh. It's if you understand the move, you
Speaker 2: can adjust it yourself and it's going to change your game.
Speaker 3: Well, it's very simple. And when you purchase the book,
Speaker 3: and I hope you will for a number of reasons,
Speaker 3: I think you'll be amazed at the brevity of the book.
Speaker 3: And I did that intentionally. I've only had one negative
Speaker 3: comment of all the people I've sent this book to
Speaker 3: that I've sent you a lot. One fellow that thought
Speaker 3: it was more of a pamphlet, and it really isn't.
Speaker 3: But when I was writing the book, it was becoming
Speaker 3: a great American novel and Paul Servante's who is very
Speaker 3: helpful in the writing of this book helped me reduce
Speaker 3: my thoughts to make them simple. And I can tell
Speaker 3: you that I've had more people write me and say
Speaker 3: thank you for making this thing so simple, because most
Speaker 3: golf books you start following this leap because they get
Speaker 3: it to such a detail. And I really believe that
Speaker 3: if you do certain things in the golf swing, there's
Speaker 3: a domino effect that happens, and we don't have to
Speaker 3: deal with those pieces. The cause of effect is everything.
Speaker 3: So if I can set you up to the golf
Speaker 3: ball properly and you have finished in a position relative
Speaker 3: to the ball properly, a lot of things are going
Speaker 3: to occur. And that's what I find is happening.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: And it's not just that the book is brief, but
Speaker 2: the descriptions are fairly brief. I mean you can go
Speaker 2: through two pages and get two or three descriptions of
Speaker 2: what you're trying to explain, which again I think is
Speaker 2: incredibly helpful.
Speaker 3: Well, that was my intention is to say it, say
Speaker 3: it again, and then say it again, because really there's
Speaker 3: just a few core moves that you have to learn,
Speaker 3: and gosh, it's like America and you could see what
Speaker 3: happened with Neil. I mean, he had some tremendous shots
Speaker 3: and those sites then with great trajectory after just a
Speaker 3: few minutes of do this, do that, and he got
Speaker 3: right into it.
Speaker 2: Well he did, and when he made a shot when
Speaker 2: we were playing together, he knew what he did right
Speaker 2: and what he did wrong after each shot. It was
Speaker 2: really fascinating because I've seen people who had taken lessons
Speaker 2: and were working on so many things at once, but
Speaker 2: it just seems so simple to him, so clear that
Speaker 2: with every shot that he took, he got it and
Speaker 2: he knew.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as I told him, you can either be a
Speaker 3: disconnector and rotate the arms, or you can be connected
Speaker 3: and rotate the body. And and and actually when you
Speaker 3: pull the arms down in the downswing and detach them
Speaker 3: from the body, that's when thin fat shots occur because
Speaker 3: it holds you behind the ball. So you can you
Speaker 3: can play the game of golf and not blame your
Speaker 3: swing so much as just one action that you that
Speaker 3: you're that you're doing that you need to not do,
Speaker 3: and that would be the stay connected and not drop
Speaker 3: the arm. Uh. You know, we all played golf. For
Speaker 3: those of us that have played golf a long time.
Speaker 3: We were taught to do that, pull the arm down,
Speaker 3: pull down on the ball, hit down on the ball,
Speaker 3: all those phrases, and what it does is it just
Speaker 3: gets one part working, that's arms and hands, where the
Speaker 3: body just stalls out. So we're losing all the power
Speaker 3: of the core. And I wish I had just discovered
Speaker 3: this a little bit earlier in my life than now.
Speaker 3: But it's improved my game dramatically. I'm hitting the most
Speaker 3: so much farther than I have in say, thirty years,
Speaker 3: and I find that with all.
Speaker 2: My students, that's really unbelievable that you're getting more distance.
Speaker 2: Neil definitely was getting more distance, although I don't know why.
Speaker 2: But I was still out driving him that day and
Speaker 2: he goes, well, how come you're outdriving me? I said,
Speaker 2: because I'm older than you. It's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: that's so let's go over this. Also, let me just
Speaker 2: say the other part about the book that I found
Speaker 2: so much fun.
Speaker 4: First of all, there's photographs.
Speaker 2: So you have a really clear description of exactly what
Speaker 2: you're talking about. But then at the end you have
Speaker 2: stories of people that you've come across and people you've
Speaker 2: met and dedicated the book to so really the book
Speaker 2: flies right by. It's really really helpful, and that's one
Speaker 2: of the things that I think that people should be
Speaker 2: checking this book out.
Speaker 4: It's it's a worthwhile.
Speaker 2: It's not an investment, but it's definitely worth coming to
Speaker 2: golf Smarter dot com and checking out The Lost Fundamental
Speaker 2: by Tony Manzoni.
Speaker 4: It's a really helpful book.
Speaker 2: And there have been a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: Golf Smarter listeners who have been in touch with you,
Speaker 2: haven't they?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I've had a tremendous amount that I that I
Speaker 3: talked with via email or that have come down physically
Speaker 3: and taken a golf lesson from me. We had a
Speaker 3: we had a golf school called the Single Pivot Golf School,
Speaker 3: and we did five schools and they were really really
Speaker 3: well received. But I continually get male for folks that
Speaker 3: have heard about the golf Golf Smarter, I had no
Speaker 3: idea that you had such a such an audience. It's incredible.
Speaker 2: Well, it's an active group and they're passionate about their golf,
Speaker 2: and that's why I think that they reached out to you,
Speaker 2: because you you're pretty clear on what you're taught talking
Speaker 2: about and it's not too convoluted. There's not a lot
Speaker 2: going on at once, I hope.
Speaker 3: So because that's, you know, that's my intention, I was
Speaker 3: like a lot of instructors for years, just kind of
Speaker 3: pontificating all this golf dogma, and you know, you can
Speaker 3: see the people's eyes just glaze over, and no one
Speaker 3: was going to say. No one was going to tell you, gee,
Speaker 3: I don't know what you mean. They're just going to
Speaker 3: let it go over their head and then you'll never
Speaker 3: see them again. So I realized early on in my
Speaker 3: golf teaching that there had to be a better way
Speaker 3: than this. And then, luckily for me, I started looking
Speaker 3: at Ben Hogan and reading everything I could about the man,
Speaker 3: and that's how I formed this method because it really
Speaker 3: is borne out of that period of time.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you it's interesting because when I'm when I'm
Speaker 2: directing a video shoot, or when I'm doing the shoot,
Speaker 2: when I'm the camera person, or i have multiple cameras going,
Speaker 2: anything like that, and that's that's pretty much what my
Speaker 2: career has been, is a recorded engineer, both video and audio.
Speaker 2: It's very hard for me to concentrate on the content
Speaker 2: while I'm doing it, so when I'm recording somebody else,
Speaker 2: I'll miss a lot of what the conversation is because
Speaker 2: I'm watching the dials and knobs and everything to make
Speaker 2: sure that the production value is right. I can't believe
Speaker 2: that I, as far as I know, I only took
Speaker 2: away from Nil's lesson. I took away two major points
Speaker 2: that when we played golf that weekend.
Speaker 4: We played two rounds after.
Speaker 2: That on one day right after the next. How much
Speaker 2: straighter the ball was the ballflight was For me, I
Speaker 2: generally have a slight fade to the ball. I was
Speaker 2: hitting the ball much straighter because of two things that
Speaker 2: I picked up from the lesson. One is on my backswing.
Speaker 2: As much as I try to keep my lower body quiet,
Speaker 2: I still have a tendency to have my left knee
Speaker 2: bend in, pointing across my body. But what I got
Speaker 2: from you was keeping the left knee pointed straight, straight ahead.
Speaker 3: And that's correct, that's correct.
Speaker 4: That was huge for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it stabilized the stance and it allows you not
Speaker 3: to put weight on the right side, which where we
Speaker 3: really don't want to do. We want to stay on
Speaker 3: the front side weight wise. In fact, when we set
Speaker 3: to the ball, we brace left and then as we
Speaker 3: coil the body, display displace the weight backwards via the
Speaker 3: right show right hip. We actually put more weight against
Speaker 3: the brace and steep in the brace of the right leg,
Speaker 3: and that makes the right leg really light. All you
Speaker 3: have to do from that point there, because you're at
Speaker 3: impact already. From there, you just rotate your upper body.
Speaker 3: The legs stay because they're underneath you, they stay right
Speaker 3: with you. And it's just so much simpler to get
Speaker 3: to the left side totally to the left side where
Speaker 3: your chest is really left with the target. When you're
Speaker 3: moving side to side. It's really hard to get to
Speaker 3: that point for anybody.
Speaker 4: Really unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Now you talked about Hogan shooting into the fifties, you
Speaker 2: actually have shot in You were telling me this one story.
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to get the full grasp of this.
Speaker 2: What's your lowest?
Speaker 3: Round sixty one? And it was on a funny day
Speaker 3: because the day before the club announced to me that
Speaker 3: they wanted to put some kind of a biography of
Speaker 3: myself and my past in the paper, and they were
Speaker 3: hiring me as they head professional. This is going to
Speaker 3: be my first job as a head professional. I had
Speaker 3: a big party the night before and a lot of
Speaker 3: paths on the back and the next morning the manager
Speaker 3: told me, well, wait a minute, now, we spoke a
Speaker 3: little too soon. We have to talk to one more applicant.
Speaker 3: And as it turned out, they chose the applicant.
Speaker 4: Why did he shoot a sixty?
Speaker 3: No, he just had more experience. But not only didn't
Speaker 3: I get the job, but they announced to me that
Speaker 3: he was bringing his own staff, and so I was
Speaker 3: going to be out of a job in thirty days.
Speaker 3: So a couple of them, yeah, I know, it's really
Speaker 3: I can remember it. A couple of members says, come on,
Speaker 3: bro let's go out. Let's go play. So we played
Speaker 3: the golf course and it was kind of a blur
Speaker 3: to me. And when I put it out on the
Speaker 3: last hole, he said, you know, you just broke then
Speaker 3: Cherry's record he shot sixty one. Well, first of all,
Speaker 3: we mentioned in the same you know category with Kenney
Speaker 3: and Urry. You know, I should have been fallen to
Speaker 3: my knees and thank god, but just like all golfers,
Speaker 3: the first thing that's eaked out of my pea brain
Speaker 3: was gee, and I didn't burn you a par five,
Speaker 3: which I hadn't.
Speaker 4: But you know that was my xt question. You really were?
Speaker 3: I were satisfied.
Speaker 4: Is that really true that you were? You like that?
Speaker 2: Oh there was one hole I should have had. I
Speaker 2: should have would have could have?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we all we all do that. I say that
Speaker 3: to my golf team all the time. You know, no
Speaker 3: matter what we do out there, we always we always
Speaker 3: come back with I could have done this. You know,
Speaker 3: sometimes we're not really thankful for the blessings we get
Speaker 3: one of the cups of call?
Speaker 4: Did you really not realize how you were shooting during
Speaker 4: the round?
Speaker 3: I had no idea. In fact, to this day, I
Speaker 3: have very little memory of it. I was in such
Speaker 3: a funk about not only in getting losing my job
Speaker 3: and everything, but the night before, you know, I had
Speaker 3: all these close friends patting me on the back, tell
Speaker 3: me a great job and all these things. Now I
Speaker 3: had to go back and tell them, hey, I'm not
Speaker 3: working at Alimdade anymore. You know, this is going to
Speaker 3: be the shortest job career of all time. So you
Speaker 3: know it really, I mean, now I look back at
Speaker 3: it and I laugh about it, But then it was
Speaker 3: it was pretty serious stuff.
Speaker 4: Wait, now I got to get the timeframe correct.
Speaker 2: Here you had the big party and the next day
Speaker 2: you went out and shot at sixty one.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, the next day, I you know, the next day,
Speaker 3: I couldn't wait to get to the course. I had
Speaker 3: all these ideas I was going to do. You know,
Speaker 3: we just had a shell of the previous protest everything
Speaker 3: that I mean almost took the paint off the walls.
Speaker 3: But I had an idea all the things I was
Speaker 3: going to do. And then I was put on hold
Speaker 3: until the afternoon. They said, don't worry, We've got one
Speaker 3: more African. No big deal. And of course when the
Speaker 3: manager came in about one o'clock in the afternoon, his
Speaker 3: face was white because I knew and he couldn't even
Speaker 3: look at me. And when he announced to me that
Speaker 3: not only didn't I have jobs.
Speaker 2: So the celebration was not about shooting sixty one. The
Speaker 2: celebration was because you had you had gotten your first
Speaker 2: head pro job.
Speaker 3: That's correct, that's correct, And you went out and.
Speaker 2: Tried to sixty one after all that celebrating, and it
Speaker 2: was a competitive round, No.
Speaker 3: It was just around A couple of members just felt
Speaker 3: so bad for me. Okay, they says, come on, pro
Speaker 3: Let's go out and play because they heard they heard
Speaker 3: what had happened. You know, a lot of people at
Speaker 3: the club had said, great job, We're really happy to
Speaker 3: have you as our new probe. But the management company,
Speaker 3: which all in the golf course, had made the decision
Speaker 3: to hire this fellow that had more experience. And I
Speaker 3: understood that, but it's still it was like a kick
Speaker 3: on the growing I can tell you that. So when
Speaker 3: I went out to play, and that was on my mind, Uh,
Speaker 3: what am I going to say? Holly, what am I going?
Speaker 3: Where am I going to get a job? All these things.
Speaker 3: So I was kind of playing from my subconscious, which
Speaker 3: is what we really need to do obviously, And as
Speaker 3: a turnout, I shot a great score and I think
Speaker 3: that I'm pretty sure that record is still in place at.
Speaker 4: The Almaden Almaden Country Club. Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: So you you don't remember the round?
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't tell me. Do you know how
Speaker 4: many pars that you had in that round?
Speaker 3: Or I wouldn't. I all I know is I was
Speaker 3: aware that I had not birdie the par five. That's
Speaker 3: the only thing I was aware about. But you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously made.
Speaker 4: A lot of birdies obvious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't believe I made any bogies. I think
Speaker 3: I hold out from the fairway ones for two of
Speaker 3: part four.
Speaker 4: One eagle you think you had one eagle, right, yeah?
Speaker 3: And the rest of it, Yeah, the rest of it
Speaker 3: was birdie's I think. And and really I loved it
Speaker 3: be able to say, well, I had ten berdies, but
Speaker 3: I don't remember it because it was It wasn't in
Speaker 3: my mind or in my heart. While I was doing this,
Speaker 3: I was just thinking of how embarrassed I felt and
Speaker 3: how I was going to tell all my friends. Well,
Speaker 3: I spoke too soon, and I really hadn't spoke too soon.
Speaker 3: I was told, you got the job, okay, but you know,
Speaker 3: it was just an awkward position to be in. And
Speaker 3: then of course, now I'm out of a job in
Speaker 3: thirty days. I'm a young guy, and he said, be
Speaker 3: able to go out and have fun time and play
Speaker 3: golf and do that. And now I'm panicking to you,
Speaker 3: I don't have a job. So it was just a
Speaker 3: strange set of circumstances that created this marvels round of golf.
Speaker 3: I can't say that I was practicing really hard before
Speaker 3: an event, and I went and did this. Although I
Speaker 3: played all this, you know, as an assistant pro, I
Speaker 3: played almost all the time, so and that was my
Speaker 3: home course. But sixty one and sixty one I don't
Speaker 3: care if you're playing minis your golf.
Speaker 2: So there's got to be a lesson in there somehow
Speaker 2: somewhere about not paying attention to your score.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's no two ways about it. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: sure the listening audience will be nodding their head. We
Speaker 3: sometimes you don't feel real good, or maybe you've been
Speaker 3: all a little late and had a few too many cocktails,
Speaker 3: and the next day you go out and shoot a
Speaker 3: great round. And I think it's because we're not so
Speaker 3: conscious of what we're doing or trying to do anything.
Speaker 3: We're just going ahead and swinging and getting it out
Speaker 3: of the way of ourselves. And I think the touring
Speaker 3: pros have a way to do that, where they let
Speaker 3: the subconscious take over. Anytime you do anything consciously, I
Speaker 3: think you get a little bit awkward. And so when
Speaker 3: we're learning how to play golf, we've got to do
Speaker 3: the learning of it on the driving range, and then
Speaker 3: we've got to trust the fact that we know what
Speaker 3: we're doing. And go out of the golf course and
Speaker 3: just get target oriented and let it go. And that's
Speaker 3: easier said than done. A question of course. You know.
Speaker 2: I have a friend John Leland who writes a blog
Speaker 2: called Joy of Golfing a Joy of Golfing dot com.
Speaker 2: Not breaking eighty with joy and learning. He's he's never
Speaker 2: had the ability, He's never broken eighty in any of
Speaker 2: his rounds, and just recently he had the round the
Speaker 2: front nine of his life, and he got he took
Speaker 2: a peek at a scorecard and started figuring out what
Speaker 2: he needed to do just to say consistent with this
Speaker 2: and how he could do it, you know, because I
Speaker 2: think he shot a thirty eight or thirty nine on
Speaker 2: the front so he's like, this is it, this is
Speaker 2: the round I'm going to do it. And of course
Speaker 2: he shot in eighty three, which is probably one of
Speaker 2: his better rounds ever. But still once he started figuring
Speaker 2: out what he needed to get, the pressure was on
Speaker 2: and just no way it's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Sure, well, you know there's something so much written by
Speaker 3: someone in the psychologist These people that feel they have to,
Speaker 3: you know, be happy when you know there was one
Speaker 3: briller I can't recall his name, but this is a
Speaker 3: Guruz told him to have a smile on his face
Speaker 3: no matter what happened. Well, near the end of the
Speaker 3: round he looked like a lunatic. I mean, this big
Speaker 3: grin that didn't relate to anything. And he did play
Speaker 3: pretty well. But then the next week when he tried it, it
Speaker 3: didn't work at all. And you know, those kinds of
Speaker 3: cliched things never work. It's not that and it's not
Speaker 3: that kind of a button because again, that's a conscious
Speaker 3: thought to do something. It's just a feeling. It's like putting,
Speaker 3: you know. I tell my students, if you don't feel
Speaker 3: like you're going to make the putt, you can have
Speaker 3: the pier stroke of the world that's not going in.
Speaker 3: And if you feel like you're going to make the putt,
Speaker 3: you're not so consumed, well take it back straight or
Speaker 3: do this or do that. You just roll the ball
Speaker 3: like you did when you were a kid and didn't
Speaker 3: understand put the putting. You just had a stick and
Speaker 3: a ball and you hit the ball. There's a lot
Speaker 3: to that, but it's so hard. Once you get some information,
Speaker 3: it's so hard to digest it and not keep regurgitating
Speaker 3: it mentally, and that's what we all do. And that's
Speaker 3: kind of why I like what I by the method
Speaker 3: I've gone because it's pretty simple stuff. It's not a
Speaker 3: lot of the how to do things and and that's
Speaker 3: I think that's the hard part about this game, is
Speaker 3: letting go and trusting.
Speaker 2: So the last couple of minutes we have available, and
Speaker 2: actually there's more than a couple of minutes, but I
Speaker 2: wanted I want to really dig into into your your
Speaker 2: theory and lost fundamental here and why it works versus
Speaker 2: what all the other instructors are pounding on us on
Speaker 2: TV and in print and our videos and everything else.
Speaker 2: You seem to think that this is the kind of
Speaker 2: fundamental that once you understand it, you can correct yourself
Speaker 2: and you don't need to work with a pro all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: In a simplest form, we're playing off of one axis
Speaker 3: and we're connecting the arms to the body and rotating
Speaker 3: around that axis. That's primarily what we're doing, instead of
Speaker 3: shifting their way to the right leg and then back
Speaker 3: to the left leg, which is you know has been
Speaker 3: preached in the last few years, but many many years ago,
Speaker 3: it wasn't preached because if you look at Jack Nicholas,
Speaker 3: if you look at Arnold Palmer, if you look at
Speaker 3: Ben Holden, those are all great players, and they did
Speaker 3: not move to the right. They ain't thought they were,
Speaker 3: but they were all rotating. They're all in that barrel. Okay.
Speaker 3: So if we eliminate that compensational move that we have
Speaker 3: to make from the right side back to the left, okay.
Speaker 3: And if we brace up against impact and merely coil
Speaker 3: from that point, if the left arm stay is connected
Speaker 3: to the body and we uncoil, the club's got to
Speaker 3: come back to the starting position time and time and
Speaker 3: time again, opposed to throwing the club off of your
Speaker 3: body with your arms. And because the head of the
Speaker 3: club is here than the handle the club that is
Speaker 3: going to rotate. So the club is going to be
Speaker 3: either open or closed most of the time. And therein
Speaker 3: lies the big problem. So you take that, and then
Speaker 3: that transitional move of shifting the from almost all on
Speaker 3: the right side to almost all the left side, my gosh,
Speaker 3: you know, that's just too much to do in a middlesecond.
Speaker 3: And that's why most people they look. If we have
Speaker 3: a driving range at the college and you watch most
Speaker 3: people they're on the right side where they hit the ball.
Speaker 3: They're just hanging back as most people do, and someone
Speaker 3: will say, we'll shift your weight. Well, that's the problem.
Speaker 3: They shifted their way to the right side, and that
Speaker 3: is why they can't get off. You know, unless you
Speaker 3: Neuia or somebody like that, a young guy that has
Speaker 3: total control of their body, you're going to be hanging back,
Speaker 3: and so you never hit it with your core. You
Speaker 3: never get the power that's within you. That's the thing
Speaker 3: that happens immediately when I start teaching people. They hit
Speaker 3: the ball higher and farther and with no side spin,
Speaker 3: and they look at me like, why hasn't someone told
Speaker 3: me this. We'll spit out there for a long time.
Speaker 3: It just hasn't been articulated in a simple form.
Speaker 2: I also found myself after Nil's lesson that I was
Speaker 2: in a much more ballance position at finish then, especially
Speaker 2: with my driver, because usually, for some reason.
Speaker 4: Why would we do this? When I have my driver
Speaker 4: in my hand, I swing harder, not faster.
Speaker 2: I swing harder, and after the swing, I am off
Speaker 2: balance and falling away.
Speaker 3: From the when the arms go first. When the arms
Speaker 3: go first, the body goes back that's why in one era,
Speaker 3: you know, your head moved away from the target on
Speaker 3: the dollar swing and you ended up in the seat position.
Speaker 3: But with the rotary swing, everything's moving through the ball.
Speaker 3: Anakasar And said it was one of the greatest ball
Speaker 3: strikers I think of all time. Everyone says she looked
Speaker 3: like she was looking at the target when she hit
Speaker 3: the ball. That's exactly what she was rotating towards the target.
Speaker 3: So she wasn't working underneath, she was working the level
Speaker 3: through the ball. And you get tremendous power this way,
Speaker 3: and on top of it, you get accuracy because the
Speaker 3: left arms out rotating, it's pressed against the chest, the
Speaker 3: chest turns open the club head hits the ball. You know,
Speaker 3: the feeling is a lot like how a hockey player
Speaker 3: hits the puck with a stick. It's that same rotational motion,
Speaker 3: and that's why hockey players, most of them, are pretty
Speaker 3: good golfers.
Speaker 2: The other thing that that Neil was very impressed with, well,
Speaker 2: I think it was almost an epiphany is the point
Speaker 2: that you were making to him about the fact that
Speaker 2: hitting the ball, making contact with the ball is not
Speaker 2: the end of the swing.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, that's the middle of the swing. The ball
Speaker 3: is a point of reference to align the club too,
Speaker 3: but it cannot be a target. If you're focusing on
Speaker 3: the back of the ball, hitting the back of the ball,
Speaker 3: all you're going to decelerate the club. We all accelerate
Speaker 3: to some form, everyone does, the best player in the world.
Speaker 3: But you're going to really decelerate. You're going to shift
Speaker 3: the thing down and your body's going to stop. What
Speaker 3: we want to do is we want to rotate past
Speaker 3: the doll ball. And the last thing that hits that
Speaker 3: doll ball is that club hit. So you're moving through
Speaker 3: it as you hit it. Now you hitting it with
Speaker 3: your core, and you're going to get You get totally
Speaker 3: on the left side, you know, And like concept, you're
Speaker 3: sixty forty to start, seventy thirty at the top, but
Speaker 3: you still got to get to nine plus. You still
Speaker 3: got to get against that left side prior to hitting
Speaker 3: the golf ball, not after hitting the golf ball, prior
Speaker 3: toting it. So by getting closer to that number, that
Speaker 3: ninety number by because you're in the seventies, you get
Speaker 3: against that left side and through it quicker. The center
Speaker 3: of gravity of the body of every human being is
Speaker 3: a couple of inches below the navel. The closer that
Speaker 3: center of gravity is to the pivot leg, which is
Speaker 3: the left leg, the faster you pivot. That's just that's science.
Speaker 3: That's not me. Okay. So Ben Holgan is great players,
Speaker 3: whether they felt it or what, but they knew when
Speaker 3: they were against that left side earlier they could hit
Speaker 3: the ball quicker, faster and straighter. And that's what this
Speaker 3: is about. It's just it's almost bath and it's simplicity.
Speaker 3: It helps people that aren't don't have great byhand coordination
Speaker 3: hit this golf ball and put some compression against it.
Speaker 3: And that's what that's what that's what this is all about.
Speaker 4: You can also hear it.
Speaker 2: Once you've made contact with the ball and you've hit
Speaker 2: it properly, you can definitely hit the.
Speaker 3: Ball div it. You know you're not hitting divot ball
Speaker 3: when you put the club behind the ball. Is I
Speaker 3: said to you and Nail, if I were to bring
Speaker 3: the club right straight back to this in motion, I
Speaker 3: would hit the divot and then I hit the ball.
Speaker 3: So we've got to be we've got to move a
Speaker 3: little forward so that we can hit the ball the
Speaker 3: dolls and then the divot. So there is a forwardness
Speaker 3: in the motion on the dolls. You said, if you
Speaker 3: stayed behind the ball like we've all been told, and
Speaker 3: then hit behind the ball, because that's that's where the
Speaker 3: bottom of the swing is. So you've got to move
Speaker 3: that bottom a little forward.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: No matter if you shift to the right or the left,
Speaker 3: you got to end up against the left when you
Speaker 3: hit it. So this I think a lot a lot
Speaker 3: of the great left side players realize that if I stayed,
Speaker 3: if they stayed against the left and coiled their body
Speaker 3: and then uncoil it, they can make contact more consistently.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what I see and what I
Speaker 3: hear when I'm giving the lesson. I could hear ball dud.
Speaker 2: And also I need to get this clarified because it
Speaker 2: was a point that you're making when you were speaking
Speaker 2: with Neil about having your for a right handed golfer,
Speaker 2: your right shoulder pointing down the line towards your target
Speaker 2: when you're finished with your swing. And yet I've heard
Speaker 2: so many people talking about having your belt buckle pointing
Speaker 2: at the target.
Speaker 3: Well, look, we're un aligned in our core through impact,
Speaker 3: and you could watch anybody into it, especially the ladies
Speaker 3: because they're more flexible than the men. But everybody's chest
Speaker 3: is left of the tarnet, and you want to turn
Speaker 3: as far left of the tarnet with your chest. As
Speaker 3: long as your left firm is connected, it'll be coming
Speaker 3: behind that movement. You want to turn as far left
Speaker 3: as you can so I can the Bactually, when you
Speaker 3: coil one way, you get your back to the tarnet.
Speaker 3: When we go through the ball, we want to get
Speaker 3: our chest left of the target with the right shoulder
Speaker 3: pointing at the turret. And it doesn't hurt the back
Speaker 3: to do this, because that's how we're built. It's when
Speaker 3: you drop those shoulders down, okay, and you and the
Speaker 3: left shoulder goes up and the right shoulder goes down
Speaker 3: differently at address. Now you're going to be tweaking your back.
Speaker 3: I don't believe in tilting the shoulders at all, and
Speaker 3: the and the Dolson because I think get rich you're back.
Speaker 3: And not only that, but the width of your swing
Speaker 3: gets narrower and the wider the path the farther they hit.
Speaker 3: So when we're rotating a little bit more level, then
Speaker 3: the arms foul the body around and you end up
Speaker 3: around the body instead of in front of the body.
Speaker 3: You know, when I first learned to play golf, we
Speaker 3: finished real high with the hands. Not anymore, and you
Speaker 3: don't see anybody finishing high with the hands or most
Speaker 3: of not very many if they do at all.
Speaker 2: And we should also, you know, establish some credibility here
Speaker 2: beyond your sixty one and all the work that you've done.
Speaker 2: You're the coach of the College of the Desert golf team.
Speaker 2: And you were telling me about the dynasty that you
Speaker 2: have with that program.
Speaker 4: What is it? The program has won the regionals? How
Speaker 4: many years in.
Speaker 3: Rowow twenty three years straight? And keep it And remember
Speaker 3: this is a two year school, so we've got a
Speaker 3: new golf team every two years. So we're doing something
Speaker 3: pretty good now.
Speaker 4: And you've been with the program for eighteen years.
Speaker 3: I've been teaching the golf team for eighteen years, been
Speaker 3: with the college twenty five. So for my eighteen years,
Speaker 3: I won three state championships, eighteen conference championships, and numerous
Speaker 3: regional championships. And it's not just me, obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: it's we have great weather here and great golf courses.
Speaker 3: I get some good players, but I think that I'm
Speaker 3: good at mentoring. I'm good at making them feels comfortable
Speaker 3: with themselves on the golf course.
Speaker 2: And that leads us right back to want to wrap
Speaker 2: this up and let people know once again, go to
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Speaker 2: you know. Number one, it's going to improve your game. Also,
Speaker 2: this is self published by Tony. He's doing this on
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Speaker 2: That's why it's not inaudible, but it is right through
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Speaker 2: But it is so simple, so clean, and so helpful,
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Speaker 2: as always, I really enjoy having you come on to
Speaker 2: golf Smarter. Thank you so much for sharing all your
Speaker 2: information with us.
Speaker 3: Well, I thank you to you. Your program is just
Speaker 3: fantastic and what a wonderful thing. Review will be able
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, these crazy people, we flock together.
Speaker 3: That's right. Now, take care of yourself.