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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Fredgreen of Golf Smarter with our spring

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back into golf season with the late Tony Manzoni. This

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episode was the third time Tony returned to our show.

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We're bringing back every conversation we had with Tony in

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order before he passed away in twenty eighteen. To learn

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more about Tony and our tax deductible fund created in

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his memory to benefit the first t of Coachella Valley,

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please go to golfsmarter dot com. There you'll find as

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much as we could find about Tony online and links

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to his book, The Lost Fundamental, One Simple Move Better

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Golf Forever. It's available on Amazon and paperback and the

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Kindle format. His DVD of the same name can now

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also be seen online through our private channel. To gain access,

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please write to me directly via email golf Smarter podcast

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at gmail dot com, or click on the Heyfred button

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at golfsmarter dot com.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy golf Smarter number two hundred and ninety one on

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July twenty six, twenty eleven, One Simple Move Better Golf

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Forever with Tony Manzoni.

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Speaker 3: This is golf Smarter sharing tips and insights from golfers

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and golf professionals to help lower your score.

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Speaker 1: It's worked for your host, Fred Green.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast.

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Speaker 3: Tony, Hey, Fred, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I am so glad to hear your voice once again.

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We had such a great time when we came down

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to Palm Desert and spent that morning with you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: My buddy Neil and I came down to Palm Desert

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and played some golf. But before we even started our golf,

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we got a chance about an hour hour and a

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half to give Neil a lesson Anil had never had.

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He's been playing golf most of his life, he's never

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had a lesson. This is the first time that he'd

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ever had a lesson, and I was able to capture

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it on video with two different cameras running at the

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same time. So I'm very excited to announced that not

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only is this podcast now available, but a video of

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Neil's lesson given by Tony Manzoni, the very first lesson

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on video by Tony Manzoni, has been posted to YouTube

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and the Golf Smarter TV channel.

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: That was great fun, I'll tell you that, And Neil responded,

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I wish I could get everyone to do it that quickly.

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Was It really was terrific.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was funny because all during the round

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of golf that we had that day in thirty five

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mile an hour wins, he was like, you know, he

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was so focused on what he had learned from you

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that morning, and even after a round it that he

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didn't say he said, just don't write down my score.

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I don't want to know about score. I said, good

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for you because you're working on something. And then after

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the round of golf we went back to the driving

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range and he worked even harder on it. And one

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more thing, he had never gone to the driving range

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after a round of golf. Is there a lot of

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value golf for players because we always see the guys

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on the tour they go to the driving range after

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a round of golf.

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Speaker 4: Is that a good thing for us to do? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Sure, because you know, you have a real clear memory

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of what's just transpired on the golf course and some

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of the things that didn't worked out, and that's where

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you work a lot. I mean, Ben Hogan was one

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of the first props to do that. When he gets

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through on the golf and shout an incredible score in

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most cases as fills out there practicing because he had

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a two iron that he didn't like or so forth.

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So it's very beneficial for people to do that at

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any level.

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Speaker 4: Fabulous. Well, let's talk about congratulations.

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Speaker 2: Your book is now available and we have it on

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our website at golfsmarter dot com and our golfers Mart.

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We're going to feature it in the golfers martin it's

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going to be highly visible. It's called The Loss Fundamental,

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One simple move, Better Golf Forever, and that really is

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your theory, huh. It's if you understand the move, you

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can adjust it yourself and it's going to change your game.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's very simple. And when you purchase the book,

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and I hope you will for a number of reasons,

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I think you'll be amazed at the brevity of the book.

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And I did that intentionally. I've only had one negative

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comment of all the people I've sent this book to

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that I've sent you a lot. One fellow that thought

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it was more of a pamphlet, and it really isn't.

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But when I was writing the book, it was becoming

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a great American novel and Paul Servante's who is very

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helpful in the writing of this book helped me reduce

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my thoughts to make them simple. And I can tell

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you that I've had more people write me and say

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thank you for making this thing so simple, because most

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golf books you start following this leap because they get

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it to such a detail. And I really believe that

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if you do certain things in the golf swing, there's

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a domino effect that happens, and we don't have to

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deal with those pieces. The cause of effect is everything.

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ball properly and you have finished in a position relative

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to the ball properly, a lot of things are going

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to occur. And that's what I find is happening.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just that the book is brief, but

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the descriptions are fairly brief. I mean you can go

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through two pages and get two or three descriptions of

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what you're trying to explain, which again I think is

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incredibly helpful.

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Speaker 3: Well, that was my intention is to say it, say

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it again, and then say it again, because really there's

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just a few core moves that you have to learn,

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and gosh, it's like America and you could see what

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happened with Neil. I mean, he had some tremendous shots

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and those sites then with great trajectory after just a

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few minutes of do this, do that, and he got

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Speaker 2: Well he did, and when he made a shot when

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we were playing together, he knew what he did right

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and were working on so many things at once, but

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it just seems so simple to him, so clear that

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with every shot that he took, he got it and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as I told him, you can either be a

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disconnector and rotate the arms, or you can be connected

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it holds you behind the ball. So you can you

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can play the game of golf and not blame your

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swing so much as just one action that you that

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you're that you're doing that you need to not do,

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the arm. Uh. You know, we all played golf. For

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those of us that have played golf a long time.

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pull down on the ball, hit down on the ball,

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all those phrases, and what it does is it just

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of the core. And I wish I had just discovered

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this a little bit earlier in my life than now.

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he goes, well, how come you're outdriving me? I said,

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because I'm older than you. It's like, wait a minute,

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that's so let's go over this. Also, let me just

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say the other part about the book that I found

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so much fun.

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Speaker 4: First of all, there's photographs.

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Speaker 2: So you have a really clear description of exactly what

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stories of people that you've come across and people you've

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met and dedicated the book to so really the book

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flies right by. It's really really helpful, and that's one

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of the things that I think that people should be

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checking this book out.

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Speaker 4: It's it's a worthwhile.

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Speaker 2: It's not an investment, but it's definitely worth coming to

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golf Smarter dot com and checking out The Lost Fundamental

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by Tony Manzoni.

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Speaker 4: It's a really helpful book.

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Speaker 2: And there have been a lot of a lot of

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Golf Smarter listeners who have been in touch with you,

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haven't they?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I've had a tremendous amount that I that I

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talked with via email or that have come down physically

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and taken a golf lesson from me. We had a

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we had a golf school called the Single Pivot Golf School,

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and we did five schools and they were really really

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well received. But I continually get male for folks that

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have heard about the golf Golf Smarter, I had no

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idea that you had such a such an audience. It's incredible.

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and that's why I think that they reached out to you,

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because you you're pretty clear on what you're taught talking

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Speaker 3: So because that's, you know, that's my intention, I was

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pontificating all this golf dogma, and you know, you can

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see the people's eyes just glaze over, and no one

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was going to say. No one was going to tell you, gee,

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I don't know what you mean. They're just going to

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see them again. So I realized early on in my

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golf teaching that there had to be a better way

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anything like that, and that's that's pretty much what my

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that I, as far as I know, I only took

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straighter the ball was the ballflight was For me, I

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generally have a slight fade to the ball. I was

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hitting the ball much straighter because of two things that

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bend in, pointing across my body. But what I got

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from you was keeping the left knee pointed straight, straight ahead.

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Speaker 3: And that's correct, that's correct.

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Speaker 4: That was huge for me.

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right show right hip. We actually put more weight against

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Speaker 4: Really unbelievable.

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actually have shot in You were telling me this one story.

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I'm still trying to get the full grasp of this.

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What's your lowest?

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Speaker 3: Round sixty one? And it was on a funny day

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because the day before the club announced to me that

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they wanted to put some kind of a biography of

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myself and my past in the paper, and they were

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hiring me as they head professional. This is going to

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be my first job as a head professional. I had

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a big party the night before and a lot of

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paths on the back and the next morning the manager

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told me, well, wait a minute, now, we spoke a

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little too soon. We have to talk to one more applicant.

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And as it turned out, they chose the applicant.

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Speaker 4: Why did he shoot a sixty?

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Speaker 3: No, he just had more experience. But not only didn't

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I get the job, but they announced to me that

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he was bringing his own staff, and so I was

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going to be out of a job in thirty days.

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So a couple of them, yeah, I know, it's really

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I can remember it. A couple of members says, come on,

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bro let's go out. Let's go play. So we played

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the golf course and it was kind of a blur

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to me. And when I put it out on the

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last hole, he said, you know, you just broke then

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Cherry's record he shot sixty one. Well, first of all,

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we mentioned in the same you know category with Kenney

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and Urry. You know, I should have been fallen to

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my knees and thank god, but just like all golfers,

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the first thing that's eaked out of my pea brain

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was gee, and I didn't burn you a par five,

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which I hadn't.

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Speaker 4: But you know that was my xt question. You really were?

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Speaker 3: I were satisfied.

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Speaker 4: Is that really true that you were? You like that?

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Speaker 2: Oh there was one hole I should have had. I

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should have would have could have?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we all we all do that. I say that

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to my golf team all the time. You know, no

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matter what we do out there, we always we always

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come back with I could have done this. You know,

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sometimes we're not really thankful for the blessings we get

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one of the cups of call?

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Speaker 4: Did you really not realize how you were shooting during

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the round?

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Speaker 3: I had no idea. In fact, to this day, I

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have very little memory of it. I was in such

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a funk about not only in getting losing my job

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and everything, but the night before, you know, I had

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all these close friends patting me on the back, tell

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me a great job and all these things. Now I

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had to go back and tell them, hey, I'm not

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working at Alimdade anymore. You know, this is going to

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be the shortest job career of all time. So you

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know it really, I mean, now I look back at

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it and I laugh about it, But then it was

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it was pretty serious stuff.

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Speaker 4: Wait, now I got to get the timeframe correct.

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Speaker 2: Here you had the big party and the next day

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you went out and shot at sixty one.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, the next day, I you know, the next day,

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I couldn't wait to get to the course. I had

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all these ideas I was going to do. You know,

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we just had a shell of the previous protest everything

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that I mean almost took the paint off the walls.

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But I had an idea all the things I was

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going to do. And then I was put on hold

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until the afternoon. They said, don't worry, We've got one

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more African. No big deal. And of course when the

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manager came in about one o'clock in the afternoon, his

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face was white because I knew and he couldn't even

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look at me. And when he announced to me that

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not only didn't I have jobs.

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Speaker 2: So the celebration was not about shooting sixty one. The

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celebration was because you had you had gotten your first

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head pro job.

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Speaker 3: That's correct, that's correct, And you went out and.

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Speaker 2: Tried to sixty one after all that celebrating, and it

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was a competitive round, No.

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Speaker 3: It was just around A couple of members just felt

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so bad for me. Okay, they says, come on, pro

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Let's go out and play because they heard they heard

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what had happened. You know, a lot of people at

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the club had said, great job, We're really happy to

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have you as our new probe. But the management company,

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which all in the golf course, had made the decision

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to hire this fellow that had more experience. And I

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understood that, but it's still it was like a kick

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on the growing I can tell you that. So when

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I went out to play, and that was on my mind, Uh,

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what am I going to say? Holly, what am I going?

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Where am I going to get a job? All these things.

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So I was kind of playing from my subconscious, which

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is what we really need to do obviously, And as

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a turnout, I shot a great score and I think

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that I'm pretty sure that record is still in place at.

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Speaker 4: The Almaden Almaden Country Club. Is that what it is?

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Speaker 2: So you you don't remember the round?

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Speaker 4: I mean, you can't tell me. Do you know how

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many pars that you had in that round?

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Speaker 3: Or I wouldn't. I all I know is I was

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aware that I had not birdie the par five. That's

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the only thing I was aware about. But you know,

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I mean, obviously made.

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Speaker 4: A lot of birdies obvious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't believe I made any bogies. I think

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I hold out from the fairway ones for two of

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part four.

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Speaker 4: One eagle you think you had one eagle, right, yeah?

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Speaker 3: And the rest of it, Yeah, the rest of it

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was birdie's I think. And and really I loved it

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be able to say, well, I had ten berdies, but

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I don't remember it because it was It wasn't in

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my mind or in my heart. While I was doing this,

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I was just thinking of how embarrassed I felt and

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how I was going to tell all my friends. Well,

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I spoke too soon, and I really hadn't spoke too soon.

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I was told, you got the job, okay, but you know,

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it was just an awkward position to be in. And

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then of course, now I'm out of a job in

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thirty days. I'm a young guy, and he said, be

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able to go out and have fun time and play

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golf and do that. And now I'm panicking to you,

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I don't have a job. So it was just a

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strange set of circumstances that created this marvels round of golf.

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I can't say that I was practicing really hard before

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an event, and I went and did this. Although I

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played all this, you know, as an assistant pro, I

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played almost all the time, so and that was my

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home course. But sixty one and sixty one I don't

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care if you're playing minis your golf.

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Speaker 2: So there's got to be a lesson in there somehow

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somewhere about not paying attention to your score.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's no two ways about it. I mean, I'm

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sure the listening audience will be nodding their head. We

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sometimes you don't feel real good, or maybe you've been

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all a little late and had a few too many cocktails,

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and the next day you go out and shoot a

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great round. And I think it's because we're not so

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conscious of what we're doing or trying to do anything.

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We're just going ahead and swinging and getting it out

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of the way of ourselves. And I think the touring

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pros have a way to do that, where they let

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the subconscious take over. Anytime you do anything consciously, I

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think you get a little bit awkward. And so when

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we're learning how to play golf, we've got to do

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the learning of it on the driving range, and then

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we've got to trust the fact that we know what

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we're doing. And go out of the golf course and

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just get target oriented and let it go. And that's

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easier said than done. A question of course. You know.

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Speaker 2: I have a friend John Leland who writes a blog

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called Joy of Golfing a Joy of Golfing dot com.

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Not breaking eighty with joy and learning. He's he's never

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had the ability, He's never broken eighty in any of

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his rounds, and just recently he had the round the

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front nine of his life, and he got he took

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a peek at a scorecard and started figuring out what

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he needed to do just to say consistent with this

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and how he could do it, you know, because I

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think he shot a thirty eight or thirty nine on

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the front so he's like, this is it, this is

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the round I'm going to do it. And of course

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he shot in eighty three, which is probably one of

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his better rounds ever. But still once he started figuring

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out what he needed to get, the pressure was on

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and just no way it's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Sure, well, you know there's something so much written by

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someone in the psychologist These people that feel they have to,

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you know, be happy when you know there was one

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briller I can't recall his name, but this is a

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Guruz told him to have a smile on his face

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no matter what happened. Well, near the end of the

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round he looked like a lunatic. I mean, this big

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grin that didn't relate to anything. And he did play

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pretty well. But then the next week when he tried it, it

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didn't work at all. And you know, those kinds of

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cliched things never work. It's not that and it's not

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that kind of a button because again, that's a conscious

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thought to do something. It's just a feeling. It's like putting,

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you know. I tell my students, if you don't feel

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like you're going to make the putt, you can have

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the pier stroke of the world that's not going in.

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And if you feel like you're going to make the putt,

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you're not so consumed, well take it back straight or

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do this or do that. You just roll the ball

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like you did when you were a kid and didn't

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understand put the putting. You just had a stick and

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a ball and you hit the ball. There's a lot

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to that, but it's so hard. Once you get some information,

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it's so hard to digest it and not keep regurgitating

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it mentally, and that's what we all do. And that's

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kind of why I like what I by the method

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I've gone because it's pretty simple stuff. It's not a

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lot of the how to do things and and that's

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I think that's the hard part about this game, is

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letting go and trusting.

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Speaker 2: So the last couple of minutes we have available, and

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actually there's more than a couple of minutes, but I

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wanted I want to really dig into into your your

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theory and lost fundamental here and why it works versus

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what all the other instructors are pounding on us on

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TV and in print and our videos and everything else.

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You seem to think that this is the kind of

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fundamental that once you understand it, you can correct yourself

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and you don't need to work with a pro all

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the time.

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Speaker 3: In a simplest form, we're playing off of one axis

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and we're connecting the arms to the body and rotating

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around that axis. That's primarily what we're doing, instead of

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shifting their way to the right leg and then back

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to the left leg, which is you know has been

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preached in the last few years, but many many years ago,

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it wasn't preached because if you look at Jack Nicholas,

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if you look at Arnold Palmer, if you look at

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Ben Holden, those are all great players, and they did

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not move to the right. They ain't thought they were,

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but they were all rotating. They're all in that barrel. Okay.

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So if we eliminate that compensational move that we have

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to make from the right side back to the left, okay.

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And if we brace up against impact and merely coil

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from that point, if the left arm stay is connected

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to the body and we uncoil, the club's got to

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come back to the starting position time and time and

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time again, opposed to throwing the club off of your

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body with your arms. And because the head of the

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club is here than the handle the club that is

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going to rotate. So the club is going to be

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either open or closed most of the time. And therein

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lies the big problem. So you take that, and then

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that transitional move of shifting the from almost all on

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the right side to almost all the left side, my gosh,

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you know, that's just too much to do in a middlesecond.

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And that's why most people they look. If we have

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a driving range at the college and you watch most

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people they're on the right side where they hit the ball.

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They're just hanging back as most people do, and someone

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will say, we'll shift your weight. Well, that's the problem.

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They shifted their way to the right side, and that

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is why they can't get off. You know, unless you

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Neuia or somebody like that, a young guy that has

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total control of their body, you're going to be hanging back,

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and so you never hit it with your core. You

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never get the power that's within you. That's the thing

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that happens immediately when I start teaching people. They hit

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the ball higher and farther and with no side spin,

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and they look at me like, why hasn't someone told

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me this. We'll spit out there for a long time.

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It just hasn't been articulated in a simple form.

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Speaker 2: I also found myself after Nil's lesson that I was

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in a much more ballance position at finish then, especially

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with my driver, because usually, for some reason.

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Speaker 4: Why would we do this? When I have my driver

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in my hand, I swing harder, not faster.

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Speaker 2: I swing harder, and after the swing, I am off

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balance and falling away.

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Speaker 3: From the when the arms go first. When the arms

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go first, the body goes back that's why in one era,

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you know, your head moved away from the target on

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the dollar swing and you ended up in the seat position.

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But with the rotary swing, everything's moving through the ball.

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Anakasar And said it was one of the greatest ball

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strikers I think of all time. Everyone says she looked

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like she was looking at the target when she hit

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the ball. That's exactly what she was rotating towards the target.

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So she wasn't working underneath, she was working the level

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through the ball. And you get tremendous power this way,

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and on top of it, you get accuracy because the

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left arms out rotating, it's pressed against the chest, the

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chest turns open the club head hits the ball. You know,

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the feeling is a lot like how a hockey player

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hits the puck with a stick. It's that same rotational motion,

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and that's why hockey players, most of them, are pretty

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good golfers.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that that Neil was very impressed with, well,

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I think it was almost an epiphany is the point

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that you were making to him about the fact that

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hitting the ball, making contact with the ball is not

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the end of the swing.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, that's the middle of the swing. The ball

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is a point of reference to align the club too,

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but it cannot be a target. If you're focusing on

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the back of the ball, hitting the back of the ball,

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all you're going to decelerate the club. We all accelerate

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to some form, everyone does, the best player in the world.

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But you're going to really decelerate. You're going to shift

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the thing down and your body's going to stop. What

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we want to do is we want to rotate past

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the doll ball. And the last thing that hits that

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doll ball is that club hit. So you're moving through

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it as you hit it. Now you hitting it with

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your core, and you're going to get You get totally

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on the left side, you know, And like concept, you're

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sixty forty to start, seventy thirty at the top, but

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you still got to get to nine plus. You still

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got to get against that left side prior to hitting

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the golf ball, not after hitting the golf ball, prior

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toting it. So by getting closer to that number, that

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ninety number by because you're in the seventies, you get

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against that left side and through it quicker. The center

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of gravity of the body of every human being is

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a couple of inches below the navel. The closer that

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center of gravity is to the pivot leg, which is

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the left leg, the faster you pivot. That's just that's science.

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That's not me. Okay. So Ben Holgan is great players,

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whether they felt it or what, but they knew when

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they were against that left side earlier they could hit

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the ball quicker, faster and straighter. And that's what this

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is about. It's just it's almost bath and it's simplicity.

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It helps people that aren't don't have great byhand coordination

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hit this golf ball and put some compression against it.

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And that's what that's what that's what this is all about.

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Speaker 4: You can also hear it.

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Speaker 2: Once you've made contact with the ball and you've hit

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it properly, you can definitely hit the.

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Speaker 3: Ball div it. You know you're not hitting divot ball

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when you put the club behind the ball. Is I

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said to you and Nail, if I were to bring

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the club right straight back to this in motion, I

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would hit the divot and then I hit the ball.

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So we've got to be we've got to move a

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little forward so that we can hit the ball the

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dolls and then the divot. So there is a forwardness

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in the motion on the dolls. You said, if you

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stayed behind the ball like we've all been told, and

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then hit behind the ball, because that's that's where the

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bottom of the swing is. So you've got to move

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that bottom a little forward.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: No matter if you shift to the right or the left,

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you got to end up against the left when you

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hit it. So this I think a lot a lot

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of the great left side players realize that if I stayed,

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if they stayed against the left and coiled their body

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and then uncoil it, they can make contact more consistently.

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And I think that's what I see and what I

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hear when I'm giving the lesson. I could hear ball dud.

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Speaker 2: And also I need to get this clarified because it

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was a point that you're making when you were speaking

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with Neil about having your for a right handed golfer,

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your right shoulder pointing down the line towards your target

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when you're finished with your swing. And yet I've heard

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so many people talking about having your belt buckle pointing

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at the target.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, we're un aligned in our core through impact,

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and you could watch anybody into it, especially the ladies

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because they're more flexible than the men. But everybody's chest

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is left of the tarnet, and you want to turn

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as far left of the tarnet with your chest. As

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long as your left firm is connected, it'll be coming

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behind that movement. You want to turn as far left

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as you can so I can the Bactually, when you

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coil one way, you get your back to the tarnet.

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When we go through the ball, we want to get

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our chest left of the target with the right shoulder

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pointing at the turret. And it doesn't hurt the back

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to do this, because that's how we're built. It's when

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you drop those shoulders down, okay, and you and the

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left shoulder goes up and the right shoulder goes down

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differently at address. Now you're going to be tweaking your back.

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I don't believe in tilting the shoulders at all, and

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the and the Dolson because I think get rich you're back.

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And not only that, but the width of your swing

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gets narrower and the wider the path the farther they hit.

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So when we're rotating a little bit more level, then

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the arms foul the body around and you end up

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around the body instead of in front of the body.

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You know, when I first learned to play golf, we

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finished real high with the hands. Not anymore, and you

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don't see anybody finishing high with the hands or most

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of not very many if they do at all.

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Speaker 2: And we should also, you know, establish some credibility here

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beyond your sixty one and all the work that you've done.

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You're the coach of the College of the Desert golf team.

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And you were telling me about the dynasty that you

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have with that program.

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Speaker 4: What is it? The program has won the regionals? How

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many years in.

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Speaker 3: Rowow twenty three years straight? And keep it And remember

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this is a two year school, so we've got a

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new golf team every two years. So we're doing something

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pretty good now.

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Speaker 4: And you've been with the program for eighteen years.

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Speaker 3: I've been teaching the golf team for eighteen years, been

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with the college twenty five. So for my eighteen years,

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I won three state championships, eighteen conference championships, and numerous

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regional championships. And it's not just me, obviously, you know,

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it's we have great weather here and great golf courses.

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I get some good players, but I think that I'm

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good at mentoring. I'm good at making them feels comfortable

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with themselves on the golf course.

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Speaker 2: And that leads us right back to want to wrap

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this up and let people know once again, go to

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golfsmarter dot com and please purchase Tony's book for a

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number of reasons. One, it's going to improve your golf game,

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you know. Number one, it's going to improve your game. Also,

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this is self published by Tony. He's doing this on

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his own. That's why we don't have it on Amazon.

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That's why it's not inaudible, but it is right through

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Tony himself. The book is twenty dollars and it's four

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ninety five for shipping within the United States. Outside the

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United States, it's going to be a little more for shipping.

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But it is so simple, so clean, and so helpful,

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so clear, so concise. It's called The Lost Fundamental, One

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Simple Move Better Golf Forever by Tony Manzoni with Paul Servantes. Tony,

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as always, I really enjoy having you come on to

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golf Smarter. Thank you so much for sharing all your

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information with us.

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Speaker 3: Well, I thank you to you. Your program is just

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fantastic and what a wonderful thing. Review will be able

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to download crazy people like myself and other people and

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get some golf information and have some fun on this

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wonderful sport.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, these crazy people, we flock together.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Now, take care of yourself.