Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Stranger's own studios and
Speaker 1: scenic Nampa, Idaho, Oh, Meridian, Idaho. This is a Strange
Speaker 1: Thing podcast cast cast.
Speaker 2: Nice, that was a good one, Austin. Yeah, I'm Mike
Speaker 2: and I'm Austin and we're your hosts with the Strange
Speaker 2: Thing podcast. Like you said, Yeah, I like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What episode are we on?
Speaker 3: Seven hundred?
Speaker 2: No episode thirty six? Yeah, thirty six. I mean that
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like a lot, but where we started with
Speaker 2: zero and we haven't.
Speaker 3: Been doing it for that long yep, going on to
Speaker 3: we have.
Speaker 2: It's been crazy. We get thirty six. It's been really
Speaker 2: hard the last couple episodes to get them done and
Speaker 2: get them out. They've been fun. But what a strange year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean last year was the year of COVID. This
Speaker 2: year is the year of strange, post COVID, post COVID.
Speaker 2: I'm just glad I don't have to wear a mask anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, need to?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So fun.
Speaker 3: Well, we had to celebrate no maskitude. We did with
Speaker 3: a little beer break.
Speaker 2: A little beer break.
Speaker 3: Two minutes in and we're already starting a beer break.
Speaker 3: But it was it was a very productive, it was
Speaker 3: very productive.
Speaker 2: Yeap, What did we do?
Speaker 3: We went out there and we worked on the mother ship.
Speaker 2: We did we had to take Bolt out of the
Speaker 2: side panels of the mother.
Speaker 3: Ship and they were all riddle and girls and old
Speaker 3: ripped off some of the fiber glass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you expect when it's like nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: eight box van.
Speaker 3: But we did have some good discussions and spirits. We
Speaker 3: had some spirits, if you will, with our discussions, which
Speaker 3: brings us back to the point. Maybe we drink a
Speaker 3: little bit of a dead guy ale we did by
Speaker 3: Rogue Brewing Company.
Speaker 2: Which brings us further to the point, which is when
Speaker 2: we went out to the Idaho State Penitentiary to look
Speaker 2: for paranormal activity with those investigators, what were we trying
Speaker 2: to find?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you just said paranormal activity, I know,
Speaker 3: but what is that?
Speaker 2: I mean I got home and I've been thinking about
Speaker 2: this for like the last couple of weeks. What is
Speaker 2: paranormal activity? What are we looking for?
Speaker 3: What are spirits and dead guys.
Speaker 2: Spirits, ghosts, apparitions, I mean, you name it whatever they are,
Speaker 2: evil spirits, demons? What are they? And it kind of
Speaker 2: bothered me. You know, we're out here looking for the
Speaker 2: spirit beings that supposedly lived in this place for a
Speaker 2: certain amount of time, that haunt this location, with the
Speaker 2: predetermined idea that these guys are the remnant spirits of
Speaker 2: these incarcerated humans.
Speaker 3: Is it their spirit or is it their anger manifested
Speaker 3: as energy in the walls, or is it their scar
Speaker 3: on the earth as such a terrible part of humanity?
Speaker 2: Exactly? And then I got to thinking, well, why do
Speaker 2: we think that way? Because what are they? You know,
Speaker 2: I mean, what are they? Are they ghosts in the
Speaker 2: sense of like a.
Speaker 3: Spirit that's stepper, that a dead person who was wronged
Speaker 3: and they have to fulfill the task to make it
Speaker 3: to the next life.
Speaker 2: Or are they like some kind of evil entity that
Speaker 2: inhabits a location where a lot of bad things happened.
Speaker 3: They were so evil they were bound to earth and
Speaker 3: they can only wrecavoc right people, right, necessary eternal torment
Speaker 3: or terrible the rest of their existence exactly?
Speaker 2: Or is it like because the place is kind of nefarious.
Speaker 3: Like a terrible event that happened in time and then
Speaker 3: a whole space time continuum, and it manifests as a
Speaker 3: record player spins a spatch and it skips consistently forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. Is it that or you know,
Speaker 2: is it something that can be explained scientifically? Is it
Speaker 2: something that we have to explain with some kind of
Speaker 2: supernatural reason. I mean, I just got thinking about that
Speaker 2: and then I thought, hey, that's a perfect thing to
Speaker 2: do for our next topic. What are these ghosts?
Speaker 3: WTF ghosts?
Speaker 2: Yeah, WTF ghosts? What are they? I mean, if you
Speaker 2: think about it, look at the popularity of like paranormal shows.
Speaker 3: Forever Casper Scooby Dooby.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I'm thinking even like more recently with like ghost Hunters,
Speaker 2: even on YouTube.
Speaker 3: You can even go way back with your mind on
Speaker 3: your money and your money on your mind to like
Speaker 3: a Christmas story or Christmas or whatever that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Christmas lug Yeah yeah guy.
Speaker 3: Well the ghosts of Christmas pass and that's a different,
Speaker 3: totally different kind of ghost, right, and.
Speaker 2: Is what it is and the grasshoppers what it is
Speaker 2: and Christmas having a good day, And then you can
Speaker 2: go back further than that. I mean, there are stories
Speaker 2: all through history. I mean, look, if you want to
Speaker 2: get biblical right, look at the story of King Saul
Speaker 2: and the Witch of.
Speaker 3: Indoor from from Lord of the Rings, which of Indoor.
Speaker 2: Different, No, that's Star Wars, but not that Indoor either.
Speaker 2: This is like Saul is wanting information about this battle,
Speaker 2: and so he goes to he he gets his guys
Speaker 2: and they say, okay, we need to find a necromancer.
Speaker 2: We need to find somebody who can divine and contact
Speaker 2: spirits because I want to talk to my old you know,
Speaker 2: prophetic guru named Samuel. So he goes and he visits
Speaker 2: this witch who is able, for some reason, to conjure
Speaker 2: up the spirit of Samuel. And I mean, it's a
Speaker 2: crazy story in the Bible.
Speaker 3: It just sounds like Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2: I mean it does. It totally does.
Speaker 3: Sam went down to the Witch of Endor to speak
Speaker 3: with his prophetic master.
Speaker 2: Well, what's really weird about that story is Samuel actually
Speaker 2: shows up. The spirit of Samuel shows up, and it
Speaker 2: not only freaks out the witch because she's not it's
Speaker 2: almost like she doesn't expect for that to happen, but
Speaker 2: it also freaks out King Saul because all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: now he's doing something that was totally forbidden. I mean,
Speaker 2: as the King of Israel, he was not allowed. There
Speaker 2: were like strict rules about doing anything like that. No
Speaker 2: need anything with the you know, astrologers or sorcerers or necromancers,
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 3: You couldn't do that dungeons and dragons characters.
Speaker 2: But he did in anyway apparently in this story, and
Speaker 2: you can look it up, this spirit of Samuel the
Speaker 2: prophet shows up and he's like, why he bugging me, Saul.
Speaker 3: What's your problem?
Speaker 2: And anyway, he gets a severe judgment because they were
Speaker 2: forbidden to try to find and conjure up spirits from
Speaker 2: the dead. So anyway, that's that's a story. But I mean,
Speaker 2: these things are all over the place, and you have
Speaker 2: stories of ghosts and ghouls and all kinds of stuff
Speaker 2: as far back as.
Speaker 3: You can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's happened. And even like in our you know
Speaker 2: series on Strange Gods, there were stories of gods and
Speaker 2: ghosts and spirits.
Speaker 3: The way way that thing passing through walls. He's dead
Speaker 3: but now he's alive.
Speaker 2: Right, it's very ghosty. Well, and think of the Holy
Speaker 2: ghost or the Holy spirit. Right, and then you've got
Speaker 2: in Islam. In Islam, you've got ghosts, and you've got
Speaker 2: gin's and you've got all kinds of stuff. You've got
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff in almost every major.
Speaker 3: Culture speaking of gin from Freaking the Shining Lloyd the ghost. Yes,
Speaker 3: that gives Jack the gin which makes him crazy and
Speaker 3: kills his family.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, it's all Stephen King. It's circular, and it
Speaker 2: all comes back to Stephen King or the spirit that
Speaker 2: impacts Stephen.
Speaker 3: He says he doesn't write his books, he just writes down.
Speaker 2: So he's like channeling, which is another kind of apparition
Speaker 2: spirit kind of but that one almost goes to possession,
Speaker 2: which that is another form of spirit.
Speaker 3: So anyway, which on a whole.
Speaker 2: Time, it brings us all back to what in the
Speaker 2: heck are these strange ghost hosts that everybody's trying to
Speaker 2: find proof of or you know, discredit or explain or whatever.
Speaker 2: What is going on here? And why in the heck
Speaker 2: would you and I and Dave think it would be
Speaker 2: fun to go out with paranormal investigators and try to
Speaker 2: find and locate some kind of supernatural thing that interacts
Speaker 2: with us.
Speaker 3: Because it was fun.
Speaker 2: It was fun, It was really fun. But I wish
Speaker 2: someone had a Wigi board. No, no, I stay away
Speaker 2: from Wigi board.
Speaker 3: I won't do it, but I will watch people do.
Speaker 2: It well there are a lot of stories of creepy
Speaker 2: things with people with wigi boards. So anyway, I'm just
Speaker 2: saying there is something about the supernatural aspect of something
Speaker 2: beyond what we can see and understand that draws us
Speaker 2: like moths to a flame. I want to kind of
Speaker 2: talk about that. What are these things? What could they be?
Speaker 2: We can't answer it with any kind of finality, but
Speaker 2: as hacks, we jump into the topic, you know, basically
Speaker 2: just throw crap everywhere and try to explain something or
Speaker 2: at least satisfy our own itch.
Speaker 5: Ye, so.
Speaker 2: What do you think should we give it a shot?
Speaker 3: Let's go all right?
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's break it down at the very base level.
Speaker 2: What do you think ghosts are you? Personally?
Speaker 3: Well? I got so many because this is my like thing, right,
Speaker 3: you know, like all day I listened to all these
Speaker 3: ghost stories on podcasts, Stephen King, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3: So for me, it's like it can be a whole
Speaker 3: number of things.
Speaker 2: Okay, so break down the possibilities. Let's I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I keep talking about we need to put these things
Speaker 2: into buckets. Now they might be cracked, leaky buckets, but
Speaker 2: I mean you can kind of break things down into
Speaker 2: two buckets, right, yeah, supernatural.
Speaker 3: And natural, and then they kind of come together. So
Speaker 3: let's say in your in your natural bucket, you've got
Speaker 3: clear water m hm, clear liquid, clear ectoplasmic.
Speaker 2: Goo quote and it's to me.
Speaker 3: And and you've got clear it's clear, it's concise, you
Speaker 3: know what it is. And then the other one is
Speaker 3: murky gunky ectoplasmic glue with floats in it. And both
Speaker 3: buckets are cracked and they're leaking on the floor and
Speaker 3: they make goopy, brackish ectoplasmic goo backwash in the middle
Speaker 3: where they're meeting together and they're in like their own bucket,
Speaker 3: kind of like leaking together.
Speaker 2: Okay, I get it.
Speaker 3: Get you got my image in the scientific bucket the
Speaker 3: natural bucket where it's clear. You've got schizophrenia, where we
Speaker 3: know it's a thing that happens.
Speaker 2: So psychological disorder that allows people to see something that
Speaker 2: isn't really there, but they if it's there because their
Speaker 2: brain problem.
Speaker 3: And you've got PTSD, maybe you've got weird electric waves,
Speaker 3: sound waves that are causing people to have hallucinations, dehydration
Speaker 3: causing hallucinations, sleep paralysis.
Speaker 2: What about like yeah, sleep paralysis. What about like a
Speaker 2: drug interactions like LSD or whatever are, or even DMT
Speaker 2: or yeah, and you drink something, you take something and
Speaker 2: it basically makes your mind go off and do all
Speaker 2: kinds of strange things. But you know it's explainable because
Speaker 2: it's your neurons firing in your brain that's causing these
Speaker 2: these visions or whatever they are. Yep, so scientifically non supernatural,
Speaker 2: naturally explained.
Speaker 3: Ye And naturally explained. Could be even a vision disorder
Speaker 3: seeing people out of the corner of your eye, or
Speaker 3: like door pressure changes that causes you to you know,
Speaker 3: you're thinking, oh, it's a poltergeist, but really you have
Speaker 3: a weird pressure problem in your house. Give you a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of things that making quote unquote ghosts.
Speaker 2: Okay, And it could be like a misperception because you're
Speaker 2: trying so hard mentally to project something onto something supernatural
Speaker 2: that you're basically hearing something and assigning a belief to
Speaker 2: it when it's actually something that's totally naturally. Like like
Speaker 2: we talked about the Old Ido Penitentiary when it went
Speaker 2: into one room and the window pane was banging and
Speaker 2: people were like, oh my gosh, somebody's answering our questions,
Speaker 2: but really it was just the wind blowing the pain
Speaker 2: and making a bang.
Speaker 3: So in your clear science bucket, you've got psychology and
Speaker 3: natural events, right.
Speaker 2: And you also have in that science bucket you have
Speaker 2: explanations for people that believe it supernatural, which is they
Speaker 2: have a psychosis or they're assigning, like you said, confirmation bias,
Speaker 2: they're signing things to it. But you can justify it
Speaker 2: as an outsider. Now, for the person that's actually experiencing it,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't feel like something scientific. It would feel like
Speaker 2: something supernatural.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it could very well could be potentially, and
Speaker 3: that's why they both buckets leak.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and in the leaky bucket department, I would
Speaker 2: have to say, there are a lot of people that
Speaker 2: experience these kinds of phenomena that are trying to explain
Speaker 2: it scientifically or capture proof of it scientifically. So like
Speaker 2: the EMF recorders when they hear voices, you know, they
Speaker 2: can play back and like, yes, something answered me right,
Speaker 2: or maybe it gets cold in the room. There's a
Speaker 2: physiological change when this thing takes place, So they're not clean,
Speaker 2: that's brackish, and you could even try to like, you know,
Speaker 2: it was kind of a famous study. This was like
Speaker 2: in the early nineteen hundreds. I can't remember the guy's name,
Speaker 2: but it was a doctor. He did a study and
Speaker 2: he'd weigh people at the time of their death and
Speaker 2: then right after they died, and they would lose a
Speaker 2: certain amount of weight.
Speaker 3: I think it was like McDonald, Yeah, something like that, mcding, doong, mcdemon.
Speaker 2: I don't know we should we should have researched this,
Speaker 2: but I do know that when they died, they they
Speaker 2: averaged it out to twenty Yeah, I've heard that, and
Speaker 2: there was a movie based on that, and it wasn't
Speaker 2: probably a really good scientific study. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: like things you could argue that, you know, it was
Speaker 2: it was biased, but that could be a scientific way
Speaker 2: to pursue the idea that no, we as these beans
Speaker 2: have a substance to us that we do not see
Speaker 2: and understand that when it leaves us at death, it's measurable.
Speaker 3: And that's where the brackish the two buckets leaked together
Speaker 3: into one right, and then in the other bucket we
Speaker 3: have you know, the the unexplainable stuff. The Annabel dolls
Speaker 3: from the conjuring and and ed Lorraine Warren.
Speaker 1: Where they're there.
Speaker 3: They have no real reason to believe that this doll
Speaker 3: could move. And and you have all these Poultergeist activities
Speaker 3: and and then I guess those leak into maybe it
Speaker 3: was just rats in your wall.
Speaker 2: But you have.
Speaker 3: Spirituality, Christianity, Buddhism, all these other things that believe in
Speaker 3: these spirits and other things that believe or that that
Speaker 3: live or dwell in this other plane that we can't access.
Speaker 2: Right. And you know what's interesting, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: supernatural side things are trying to use scientific method to
Speaker 2: prove that these things exist. So even though they're supernatural,
Speaker 2: they're trying to find ways to measure and quantify these things. So, okay,
Speaker 2: so we kind of define those two buckets. Now, let's
Speaker 2: talk about the types of experiences or entities that people
Speaker 2: interact with.
Speaker 3: Okay, and we'll try to put them in a bucket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll put them in a bucket. They they might span,
Speaker 2: they might jump back different buckets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they probably will leak on the floor.
Speaker 2: So let's go to the most common one that people
Speaker 2: think of with ghosts, and I'm thinking of like sixth
Speaker 2: cents or the others Casper, you know, where it's basically
Speaker 2: somebody who has died and for whatever reason, their spirit lingers.
Speaker 2: So their essence, their spirit of who they are, their
Speaker 2: bodies dead, it's called lifeless, just organic material, yeah, but
Speaker 2: their life force, their essence continues on and for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: it doesn't move into like this other dimension or the afterlife,
Speaker 2: but it hangs around, right. Yeah, And so a lot
Speaker 2: of people think of ghosts that way, that there are
Speaker 2: these spirit beings that are no longer you know, inhabiting
Speaker 2: their bodies, that are like stuck in this transitional space
Speaker 2: between our world and the afterlife.
Speaker 3: Right, what's the word I'm looking for, consciousness?
Speaker 2: Consciousness Consciousness stays.
Speaker 3: Yes, So it's like your body dies, or the body
Speaker 3: of this person dies, and it's the typical horror movie
Speaker 3: set up. The guy was mistreated, terrible stuff happened, and
Speaker 3: he was a serial killer, and then he died and
Speaker 3: his his consciousness stayed, and now he has a hook
Speaker 3: for a hand and he walked around lover's lane and
Speaker 3: kills people. Okay, something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's one. But then you have also where
Speaker 2: maybe somebody has unfinished business.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is kind of the the sixth sense, I see, right,
Speaker 3: you know he's got to fulfill you know, this person
Speaker 3: has their mother to justice because the mom was poisoning
Speaker 3: him with pine sol right.
Speaker 2: And in the sixth sense, Bruce Willis needed to be
Speaker 2: able to say goodbye to his wife and let her
Speaker 2: be free to go on living because he didn't know
Speaker 2: he was dead, right, but he was a ghost. Uh
Speaker 2: spoiler sorry if we ruined that for anybody, I think
Speaker 2: I can go now. I just needed to do a
Speaker 2: couple of things. I needed to help someone. I think
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: I needed to tell you something.
Speaker 2: You were never second.
Speaker 6: Ever. I love you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you haven't seen it by now, I mean yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're like you're what ten years too late anymore? Now.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it's a it's a good show. There are
Speaker 2: those kind of views of ghosts. They are disembodied spirits
Speaker 2: of humans that haven't been able to move on for
Speaker 2: whatever reason.
Speaker 3: They have to fulfill the task video game horror movie
Speaker 3: set up. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then we have beyond that, we have like
Speaker 2: these entities that are more nefarious, that are a lot
Speaker 2: of people would say they are like evil spirits, that
Speaker 2: they are like you know, not necessarily possessions, but sometimes
Speaker 2: people actually become possessed with these spirits, but they could
Speaker 2: be haunting a location and causing all kinds of mischief
Speaker 2: and nefarious activities.
Speaker 3: Kind of like Jason kind of guy, except for totally
Speaker 3: spirit Yeah, I think he was kind of I don't know,
Speaker 3: because he keeps coming back like yeah, yeah, yeah, he did,
Speaker 3: he did, he did.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, he did, he did, and he did.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I see what you're meaning. I think it's
Speaker 2: a little different than that because these things are not
Speaker 2: necessarily manifest in such a realistic way. They're feelings. And
Speaker 2: this type of spirit or entity a lot of times
Speaker 2: is associated with evil, and you find this a lot
Speaker 2: in like religious experience, right, So you talk to evangelicals,
Speaker 2: they would see that these spirits are actually like evil
Speaker 2: demons that are trying to basically maim, kill, and destroy humanity.
Speaker 2: And so they're disembodied spirits of a different kind of creature.
Speaker 2: They're not like spirits from humans. They are like angelic
Speaker 2: beings that lost their vocation because they were evil.
Speaker 3: So that would be more of the conjuring Annabelle Yes
Speaker 3: type thing, where there's a demon that's kind of faking
Speaker 3: to be a dead person to get other people to
Speaker 3: be into it, and then he turns on them and
Speaker 3: takes our soul, right, and so they quote, uh, the
Speaker 3: conjuring Annabel. He's like, what do you want? And it
Speaker 3: turns around.
Speaker 2: It's like your soul and it's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, oh, didn't see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they would be like devils, they would be
Speaker 2: like evil spirits, devils whatever, And so that's very common.
Speaker 2: A lot of people experience those kind of things. In fact,
Speaker 2: I've talked to a few people. We went camping recently
Speaker 2: and we sat around a campfire late at night and
Speaker 2: we talked about things. I'm gonna play a couple of
Speaker 2: those clips because a couple of those experiences by people
Speaker 2: were in this category.
Speaker 5: So there when.
Speaker 7: I was away in Bible.
Speaker 4: School one time, no no, no, no, would you listen
Speaker 4: to me?
Speaker 7: I was, I mean, I can still remember how I
Speaker 7: you know, where I was sitting. I was in front
Speaker 7: of a fire, and I in my living room in
Speaker 7: my apartment, and I was praying, and this presence, whether
Speaker 7: it was a ghost, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 7: whether you want to call it whatever, you call them, principalities,
Speaker 7: I could not move. I actually could not. Yeah, I couldn't.
Speaker 7: It was a presence that was there that I knew
Speaker 7: that I had to pray through in order for this thing.
Speaker 5: To go out of my living room.
Speaker 2: That's a thing.
Speaker 5: I was praying. I was praying, praying, praying.
Speaker 7: That was a week. I was a week. Way to
Speaker 7: take my experience, put it in the mind, just so
Speaker 7: do I ever share again?
Speaker 2: So do you think that was like an evil thing
Speaker 2: or did you think it was like a good thing?
Speaker 7: No, No, it wasn't a thing.
Speaker 2: So a lot of people think goes to like people
Speaker 2: that have died, their spirits linger and like family members
Speaker 2: or something like that. You know, it wasn't that for
Speaker 2: you know, it was like an entity, it was something
Speaker 2: it was It was.
Speaker 7: Such a heaviness.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 7: It wasn't a real thing and I'll never forget it.
Speaker 5: Like you think it was for sure evil or was
Speaker 5: it just overpowering?
Speaker 7: And you couldn't if the feeling that I had.
Speaker 8: Was an evil thing?
Speaker 7: Yet? Yeah, it was scary. I was afraid and if
Speaker 7: it was, I feel like if it wasn't an evil thing,
Speaker 7: I wouldn't have been afraid.
Speaker 8: So do you think it's something that your mind could
Speaker 8: have just produced of like, all right, no, I'm in
Speaker 8: this mental state and you know, all of a sudden
Speaker 8: your brain puts out this, oh I feel that.
Speaker 5: I experience. Can't we talking about? But I was walking
Speaker 5: down the street a friend of mine and felt like
Speaker 5: it was being chased.
Speaker 2: By the devil.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like some type of evil spirit whatever. I felt
Speaker 5: like running. I wasn't even was a constraint. It wasn't nothing.
Speaker 2: I was the kid.
Speaker 5: I actually went to my mom's apartment and called my
Speaker 5: youth pastor and said, I'm being chased by the devil
Speaker 5: right now. And he actually got out of his bed
Speaker 5: and came to my apartment's mom where my mom was,
Speaker 5: and said, why do you feel like you're being chased
Speaker 5: by the devil? I said, I don't know. I just
Speaker 5: feel this evil presence around it, this this badness.
Speaker 3: Were going.
Speaker 5: We prayed and we talked about it for you know,
Speaker 5: twenty months wherever, and going to calm me down. But
Speaker 5: I wasn't praying or meditating or doing anything like that.
Speaker 5: I was walking down the street with my buddy. It
Speaker 5: wasn't dark, and it was it was at night.
Speaker 3: And maybe she's.
Speaker 5: Noted this recording that everybody's contributing.
Speaker 7: To this isn't drinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've all been drinking and now we're smoking.
Speaker 5: Were that we're smoking cigars?
Speaker 2: Okay? So that was that was pretty interesting to me
Speaker 2: because I mean, we run in circles with a lot
Speaker 2: of different people who have an evangelical background, and when
Speaker 2: they think of ghosts and spirits, they think of things
Speaker 2: like this. They think of like that spirit chasing you know,
Speaker 2: Tim down the road. Yeah, and then they talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, a person knowing that something evil was going on.
Speaker 2: So that's another category.
Speaker 3: So then we also have in that category, while it
Speaker 3: is supernatural, is leaking on the floor, Yes.
Speaker 2: It could be trying to be scientifically explo fear of the.
Speaker 3: Dark, or you know, a traumatic childhood event that caused
Speaker 3: you to have an unexpected reaction to something you heard
Speaker 3: or something, or.
Speaker 2: A presupposition because you are raised in a religious home.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you have all these metaphors and ideas, so
Speaker 2: they manifest in certain ways because you're, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: you're susceptible to it. And in fact, here's an explanation
Speaker 2: of that by one of the guys camping with us
Speaker 2: that really didn't have that same view because his perspective
Speaker 2: wasn't so religious.
Speaker 5: My theory arm.
Speaker 9: Ghosts after so, I think the universe only has so
Speaker 9: much energy. I think that when someone dies, there's still
Speaker 9: energy around and it could be a remnant of that energy,
Speaker 9: like an echo or not necessarily an echo. There's also
Speaker 9: another theory out there too, as I brought up with
Speaker 9: you a while back, was when someone dies, do.
Speaker 10: They continue continue living on in an afterlife slash dimension
Speaker 10: another dimension? Yeah, and sometimes these barriers between our dimension
Speaker 10: and the afterlife dimension might merge or crossover or crossover,
Speaker 10: which then you would find, you know, where relatives will
Speaker 10: leave certain items.
Speaker 9: Or because there's a strong connection between you and that
Speaker 9: other individuals.
Speaker 5: That's the theory I've got.
Speaker 2: So it's pseudoscience, like energy cannot be created or lost,
Speaker 2: it's just transforms. So that energy of that per and
Speaker 2: is transforming, and maybe it's it's visible in our dimension,
Speaker 2: our domain, but yet it's moving towards a different place,
Speaker 2: or maybe it's somewhere in between.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can like that one.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really interesting to me because you can
Speaker 2: explain this stuff different ways, but there's no denying that
Speaker 2: people experience this kind of stuff, right, no way. So
Speaker 2: now let's go on to some other kinds of things
Speaker 2: that people associate with ghosts or hauntings. We have in
Speaker 2: some locations something that I don't even know what you
Speaker 2: would call it, but it's almost like time gets recorded
Speaker 2: and then for whatever reason, like a record skipping, it
Speaker 2: keeps jumping back and replaying something tragic, something that was
Speaker 2: very traumatous, suicide or a.
Speaker 3: Lost child or something like that.
Speaker 2: Right, and these things replay, and those are kind of hauntings.
Speaker 2: But the difference is these kinds of entities that are
Speaker 2: in these hauntings, they don't interact with the people that
Speaker 2: are viewing them or seeing them.
Speaker 3: It's like a scar on geography, and when you go there,
Speaker 3: you can see it, but it has no care about you.
Speaker 3: It would walk through you, it would, it would, it's
Speaker 3: not going to move around you.
Speaker 2: It's like a scar. It's kind of like when you
Speaker 2: go to Disneyland and you're writing the Haunted House ride
Speaker 2: and the cart looks around and you look and you
Speaker 2: can see this thing in the mirror sitting between you
Speaker 2: and whoever you're writing with, and it's like it's like
Speaker 2: it creeps you out and you look, but it's not
Speaker 2: really there and it's a trick, but it doesn't really
Speaker 2: interact with you. It doesn't touch you, it doesn't speak
Speaker 2: to you. It's just doing its thing over and over
Speaker 2: and over again like a loop. Right. And so like
Speaker 2: some of the stuff, like when I went to the
Speaker 2: tuberculosis hospital and Gooding, the descriptions of some of the
Speaker 2: hauntings that were there, it would just kind of replay.
Speaker 2: So people would see this this entity and old person
Speaker 2: with white hair, doctor's kind of you know, uniform who
Speaker 2: would be doing something, but it wouldn't interact with them.
Speaker 2: It had no intelligence.
Speaker 3: It's its own deals, right, just it wasn't infecting its
Speaker 3: own environment and just being in the Yeah.
Speaker 6: So you know, I don't know what it is. If
Speaker 6: there's like this multi dimensional membrane that's getting punctured that
Speaker 6: makes you know this whatever it is though, it's really creepy.
Speaker 6: So hauntings would be categorized as things that are geographically
Speaker 6: focused or object focused, right, And like the TV hospital
Speaker 6: in Gooding where they keep seeing a guy who's angry
Speaker 6: in a.
Speaker 2: White lab coat.
Speaker 6: He's yelling yeah yeah, and he seems to have a
Speaker 6: look of a certain period and stuff, and so the
Speaker 6: lady that was there, the innkeeper, she didn't necessarily feel
Speaker 6: that he was yelling at her, but he was standing
Speaker 6: in there yelling. So maybe he's one of those. He's
Speaker 6: like a haunting where maybe some think traumatic happened and
Speaker 6: it's stuck in a loop in that area. I think
Speaker 6: you even said, maybe he's not yelling, Hey, I'm going
Speaker 6: to kill you, like a doctor trying to do something
Speaker 6: because somebody has just gone flatlined.
Speaker 2: Right, what would you call that? A loop or a
Speaker 2: scar scoop scar, an apparition that is like non intelligent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's that's another one. Yeah, And I think those
Speaker 2: things are.
Speaker 3: Described quite often, probably the most often, I think. And
Speaker 3: then it's always related to a traumatic event. Tuberculos's hospital,
Speaker 3: a prison Edward Snowden guy Edward No, not Edward then
Speaker 3: gone Snood you know.
Speaker 2: We had his name, I can't remember. Raymond Snowden.
Speaker 6: Raymond Raymond Snowden, otherwise known as Idaho's Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 3: Oh, but I think that's the most popular one that happens,
Speaker 3: I think is like something terrible happened here and it's
Speaker 3: just on repeat, or that person's manifesting over and over again.
Speaker 2: I kind of think the most popular one is the
Speaker 2: kind of one you see on like Ghostbusters, which is
Speaker 2: more like people are trying to interact with some kind
Speaker 2: of entity and they're talking to it like it's a
Speaker 2: disembodied spirit. But in my mind, I don't think it's
Speaker 2: a disembodied spirit from like a human. I think it's
Speaker 2: like a it's something else. It's a different kind of
Speaker 2: entity that's basically mimicking a person. I think it's a counterfeit.
Speaker 3: I think it's Apple Ganger.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's a total evil disembodied spirit. I
Speaker 2: think it's like the disembodied spirits of fallen angels or nuhling,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. Right, and because they've
Speaker 2: been around for so long, they are able to mimic
Speaker 2: and know some of the information about people that were
Speaker 2: in that location. But I don't think they're actually that spirit.
Speaker 2: I think they're I don't think they're the person.
Speaker 3: That die something they conjuring Annabelle the premise, I mean
Speaker 3: it ruins it for people. Whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just trying my belief out there right now,
Speaker 2: and it probably shouldn't have because it shows my bias.
Speaker 2: But anyway, that's what I kind of think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're allowed to think.
Speaker 2: I know. Sometimes it's hard. I try, but I'm not
Speaker 2: very good at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's hard.
Speaker 2: So anyway, you got that right, and then you got
Speaker 2: a few other things like poltergeist.
Speaker 3: Which I would take back my looping thing to say.
Speaker 3: Poultergeist is the most common because it's the most easily mistaken,
Speaker 3: and if you're in a spooky place where you think
Speaker 3: something traumatic happened, you might consciously hear this poltergeist and
Speaker 3: think of, oh, well, that must be this repeat of something.
Speaker 2: So are poltergeist? I know you're could probably you know
Speaker 2: this better than me. Is a poltergeist one of those
Speaker 2: things where like there's a like energy or some kind
Speaker 2: of force that's attached to like a person that manifests
Speaker 2: in like different ways, But really it's kind of driven
Speaker 2: by the angst of like maybe a teenage girl or
Speaker 2: something like that. Is that a poltergeist?
Speaker 3: So that's like the typical scenario I think is like
Speaker 3: there's a teenage girl or a pubescent boy, or you know,
Speaker 3: some kind of angsty teen type scenario and they have
Speaker 3: all these scratching and banging and cabinets opening, but they're
Speaker 3: not physically coming after a person as like an entity.
Speaker 3: There's not like a figure that attacks people.
Speaker 2: So it's like an energy that's emanating from them that's
Speaker 2: causing these different kinds of I think.
Speaker 3: Of things, well, I googled it earlier, remember, and poultern
Speaker 3: puln is German means like scratching or rumbling, and geist
Speaker 3: means like spirit or ghost. So you think of the
Speaker 3: movie Poltergeist and all those like figurines and the clown
Speaker 3: and everything comes to life. But it's not like a
Speaker 3: ghost is there. It's almost like this entity or this
Speaker 3: energy is possessing the house and an inanimate object like
Speaker 3: the clown that chokes the kid. Not like it's like
Speaker 3: a black figure in your hallway. It's lurking and sneaking
Speaker 3: up on you and stocking. But I think maybe I
Speaker 3: don't know about statistically, but I think the cases or
Speaker 3: whatever that come up the most are like pubescenteen type age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of girls, a lot of.
Speaker 3: Like emotion, the girls in our emotion, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So okay, so now let's get into some of the
Speaker 2: other things that are you know, in the leaky buckets,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of stories of like young people
Speaker 2: that some of them have been clinically diagnosed as being
Speaker 2: schizophrenic or having some kind of emotional or psychological disorder,
Speaker 2: who see here and experience entities that tell them to
Speaker 2: do things or believe that they're doing something with And
Speaker 2: this is very common with like people that have like
Speaker 2: a well, i'll just say, a sexual or romantic interaction
Speaker 2: with something that's invisible or that's not there, so people
Speaker 2: will believe they are Actually this happens a lot with
Speaker 2: like alien abductions, where they are taken and they are
Speaker 2: molested or having some kind of sexual interaction with a
Speaker 2: different kind of creature, whether it's spiritual, demonic, alien, whatever
Speaker 2: it is, it's got that same kind of flavor to it.
Speaker 2: A lot of well, I know it's a good word,
Speaker 2: but you know, like I know one person who had
Speaker 2: a roommate who had basically was drawing all these images
Speaker 2: of somebody who represented herself in erotic passionate throes of passion.
Speaker 2: So with some kind of demonic, spiritual, serpentine kind of creature.
Speaker 3: That's not abnormal or anything. It's an incubus or a sucubist, right,
Speaker 3: And I can't remember what's feminine or masculine of the two.
Speaker 3: And I got a story, you want me to do it,
Speaker 3: so I'm not going to say names. Yeah, no names, fella,
Speaker 3: I know, we'll call him Godfrey. He lived in California
Speaker 3: and he was going with this girl, Gina.
Speaker 2: Gina.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Gina and Godfrey, I know where you go.
Speaker 2: You told me this story. It's not funny, but those
Speaker 2: names are awful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you didn't. But Gena and Godfrey hook up
Speaker 3: and they go to to Godfrey's apartment. They do their
Speaker 3: evening activities. They go to bed on the blow up
Speaker 3: mattress or whatever it the apartment mattress I think, so yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: mattress on the floor. Nonetheless, whatever it does. And Gina
Speaker 3: starts being physically abused, assaulted, but not by Godfrey, and
Speaker 3: he's kind of watching this, and Godfrey says basically that
Speaker 3: it appears that this Gina is being assaulted and ft
Speaker 3: in the a to quote by something that he can't see.
Speaker 2: Let's use the word sodomized.
Speaker 3: Okay, sodomized by something he can't see. I just used
Speaker 3: to quote, you know. But that kind of goes on
Speaker 3: for a while, and they continue dating, but he's a
Speaker 3: little suspicious and kind of weirded out. It continues and continues,
Speaker 3: and she's got bruises on her body, like actual physical bruises.
Speaker 2: So wait me, let me try to clarify this. So basically,
Speaker 2: the girlfriend is having some kind of encounter with some
Speaker 2: kind of entity that is sodomizing her and leaving physical
Speaker 2: manifestations of that encounter, yes, on a regular basis, and.
Speaker 3: Bruises and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, weird.
Speaker 3: And they call a priest, they call kinds of people,
Speaker 3: and finally he just kind of moves away, he.
Speaker 2: Has to get away from it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, it's really weird. I know of
Speaker 2: several people that have had those kind of encounters, mostly female,
Speaker 2: but at least one that I know of that's male.
Speaker 3: I think now that I'm repeating it, I think an
Speaker 3: incubus is a male that assaults females typically, and a
Speaker 3: succubus would be a female that kind of entices or
Speaker 3: assaults males.
Speaker 2: And they're sexual encounters in nature. Yeah, so those are
Speaker 2: weird because I mean you could basically throw everything into
Speaker 2: well they're having some kind of psychological disorder and throw
Speaker 2: it in that. The problem is there's like sometimes physical manifestations.
Speaker 3: Of that which he mentioned, And they went and saw
Speaker 3: doctors and priests to figure out these bruisings. And he
Speaker 3: said he was afraid because he would go to the
Speaker 3: store with her and she'd have bruises on her.
Speaker 2: Body and they think he did it.
Speaker 3: He was like, this is weird. I can't handle this.
Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, that's crazy. How do you explain
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff? So now you're getting dangerously close
Speaker 2: to all these things where things get evil. You know,
Speaker 2: it's all fun to go talk to your great grandfather
Speaker 2: who died and he's going to give you impart certain
Speaker 2: kinds of wisdom and help you in life. My thing
Speaker 2: I mentioned her, right, that's different than what we're talking
Speaker 2: about here, where these things are bad another and they're
Speaker 2: out to cause harm, and they're doing things that ought
Speaker 2: not to be done.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And unless that's your preference, and you know it's weird, Okay,
Speaker 2: So let's just do a little bit of side john here. Okay.
Speaker 2: These are the things that happen when we talk about
Speaker 2: alien abduction. These are the things we talked about when
Speaker 2: we talked about the knuffle and leaving their estate and
Speaker 2: having relations with women and creating hybrid offspring. Right, it's
Speaker 2: like a common thread sex. Sex. Sex is a thing
Speaker 2: in these stories, in a lot of these stories. No, No,
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about these that we're talking about where
Speaker 2: things get dark and ugly and scary, they seem to
Speaker 2: kind of come into play.
Speaker 3: Well, you think though, in the more science bucket, about
Speaker 3: what traumatic events might have taken place and what kind
Speaker 3: of quote unquote energies might be there, which is kind
Speaker 3: of the murky water. So let's say a rapist or
Speaker 3: something like that, it's very traumatic killed somebody, and now
Speaker 3: his spirit after he got killed lurks there and he's
Speaker 3: a rapist ghost or something. Those kinds of things tend
Speaker 3: to be not conjured up lack of a better word,
Speaker 3: in those areas because you're thinking about it. Right, So
Speaker 3: maybe because that is like a very traumatic and terrible
Speaker 3: event for somebody, your consciousness as you're sitting there as
Speaker 3: a as a human normal human being, has that in
Speaker 3: its the back storage unit, and that just kind of
Speaker 3: leaks out.
Speaker 2: It bubbles up to the surface, and it manifests in different.
Speaker 3: Ways even if you're not thinking about it, but you
Speaker 3: see the dark figure in your brain just like there's
Speaker 3: that rapist and then you're like, oh, okay, we'll saw
Speaker 3: a rapist in the shadows.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about another because I think this is very
Speaker 2: closely related. You have this whole concept of sleep paralysis,
Speaker 2: and that's when and this is in the scientific bucket
Speaker 2: a little bit, and that's when a person is having
Speaker 2: rim sleep, but for whatever reason, physically they wake up.
Speaker 2: So they're still having a dream, which could be crazy
Speaker 2: like lucid dreaming, right, but they have sleep paralysis. They
Speaker 2: can't get up and move. It's very you know, people
Speaker 2: describe it as very terrifying. It feels real. Normally, when
Speaker 2: you sleep and rim state, you don't remember most of
Speaker 2: the stuff you dream, and your body disconnects from your brain,
Speaker 2: so whatever's going on in your head, it doesn't you know,
Speaker 2: like if you're running in your dream, you're disconnected. Your
Speaker 2: body's not running.
Speaker 3: It's not those dogs YouTube videos.
Speaker 2: They're running, yeah, and then they start running and like wamn,
Speaker 2: I'm into the wall.
Speaker 3: Exactly awesome videos.
Speaker 2: So in sleep proalyss, what's going on is your mind's dreaming,
Speaker 2: but your body's awake. You're still not moving because you're frozen.
Speaker 2: You're disconnected, but you're aware that there's something really strained
Speaker 2: going on, which and it feels real.
Speaker 3: From a scientific perspective, it might be your body's natural
Speaker 3: reaction to keep you from hurting yourself. Because if you're
Speaker 3: having a nightmare about a mountain lion or a jaguar
Speaker 3: or a spe tiger chasing you in your primitive mind,
Speaker 3: and then you get up and start sprinting and you
Speaker 3: hit the wall or the mirror or the window, and
Speaker 3: you fall and you die. Yeah, your body's just protecting you.
Speaker 3: Put the car in neutral and red the engine, which.
Speaker 2: Kind of reminds me. So I talked to a person
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call him Ezekiel, and he's got a story
Speaker 2: about the sleep paralysis or night terrors where people wake
Speaker 2: up and their body is actually moving but their mind's
Speaker 2: still asleep. Oh so yeah, and he kind of marries
Speaker 2: the idea of some kind of demonic entity that is
Speaker 2: impacting a person that he loves while they're asleep. So
Speaker 2: here's that story.
Speaker 11: So when my wife and I first got married, we
Speaker 11: bought a house and brand new couple. We were very young,
Speaker 11: bought this house. It need a lot of work, and
Speaker 11: we lived in the basement of the household. We were
Speaker 11: preparing the top level of the house for us to
Speaker 11: live in, and every night it seemed that there would
Speaker 11: be something running across the floor in my in my house,
Speaker 11: and it sounded like footsteps.
Speaker 12: And at first I thought it was the neighbor girl
Speaker 12: next door.
Speaker 11: She didn't have any boundaries, and she would come in
Speaker 11: at random times, and we had stuff that would go
Speaker 11: missing and it would end up in her backyard, and
Speaker 11: so I thought, oh, it's got to be the neighbor girl.
Speaker 11: But then it started getting in weird, weird hours, like
Speaker 11: two in the morning, and I'd run upstairs and there
Speaker 11: would be anybody there. The doorsoul all be locked. Like
Speaker 11: I remember one time I ran upstairs and I had
Speaker 11: my gun, because at that point in time, I thought
Speaker 11: that was the way to solve problems. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 11: running around naked on the top level of my house.
Speaker 12: Forgot that the.
Speaker 11: Window curtains were open, and I'm sure my neighbors flashing
Speaker 11: the neighbors, Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, flashing them both both my piece and my gun lineral, yes, exactly.
Speaker 11: But that that happened quite a bit until we moved
Speaker 11: into that main level of the house and my daughter
Speaker 11: started to have nightmare. We had only one child at
Speaker 11: that point in time, and she was sleeping in that
Speaker 11: same room that we would hear the.
Speaker 12: Footsteps coming from. And she would wake up in the
Speaker 12: middle of the night.
Speaker 11: Just screaming, like thrashing, flailing around, and she would be awake,
Speaker 11: but not awake like you could her eyes were open,
Speaker 11: but you could see that there was there's nothing going on,
Speaker 11: and it would take fifteen to sometimes even an hour
Speaker 11: to get her to calm down where she would finally
Speaker 11: fall back to sleep. And I thought, this is really
Speaker 11: strange because it didn't start happening until we moved her
Speaker 11: in that room, and it could be moving rooms, or
Speaker 11: it could be something else. And a friend will call
Speaker 11: on D. He came over one night and it was
Speaker 11: a strangest thing. Me and another friend of mine were
Speaker 11: they're talking with him, and all of a sudden, D
Speaker 11: starts just doing these weird voices like you need to
Speaker 11: see in movies when when people manifest demons, like if
Speaker 11: they're possessed, Yeah, they're possessed, and they start talking in
Speaker 11: strange voices, speaking if there's somebody else calling themselves a
Speaker 11: different name.
Speaker 12: And he starts doing this and going, Okay, well, who
Speaker 12: are you? What's going on? He says, I'm Anthony, and
Speaker 12: just like this really weird stuff. He's no, this wasn't
Speaker 12: his name at all. Is this a demon?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 12: Are we talking demonic stuff here? And so I heard stories.
Speaker 11: My parents had worked in a missions organization when I
Speaker 11: was younger, and they told me stories.
Speaker 12: About casting out demons.
Speaker 11: So growing up I always had this kind of like
Speaker 11: there's demonic stuff out there.
Speaker 12: Since this story, I've seen a lot more of that.
Speaker 11: But going back to this one specific time, he started
Speaker 11: kind of manifesting or acting like he was possessed, and
Speaker 11: so my buddy and I that were there, we just
Speaker 11: started praying, you know, and and in Jesus name, get
Speaker 11: out of here, and and.
Speaker 12: It was it was like night and day.
Speaker 11: He kind of slumped down onto the floor and then
Speaker 11: woke up and he went what happened?
Speaker 3: Create?
Speaker 11: It was just like completely something completely shifted. And we
Speaker 11: prayed with them and chatted with them, and then he
Speaker 11: ended up going home. And my buddy that was there
Speaker 11: with me, I went, you know what, my daughter's been
Speaker 11: having these bad dreams like this, this kind of night
Speaker 11: terror stuff. And she had she had been out of town,
Speaker 11: I think, with my wife somewhere. So we were like, well,
Speaker 11: let's go create in the room.
Speaker 12: So we go in. We take like you know, this
Speaker 12: may sound.
Speaker 11: Weird, we take a little bit of oil, like we're
Speaker 11: gonna annoint the doors, right, and then we start praying
Speaker 11: in the name of Jesus, leave this house. You're not
Speaker 11: welcome here, to go, go, go. And I just felt
Speaker 11: like we're supposed to open the doors this door of
Speaker 11: the house, yeah, the front door of the house. So
Speaker 11: the door of the bedroom was open, and then the
Speaker 11: front door of the house, and I felt like, we
Speaker 11: need to open this front door.
Speaker 12: We got we got to get it open.
Speaker 11: So we opened up the front door and last time,
Speaker 11: get out of here in Jesus name, and both my
Speaker 11: buddy and I feel this cold wind. And it wasn't
Speaker 11: that the door had been opened for long enough that
Speaker 11: it wasn't some type of a draft. We didn't have
Speaker 11: air conditioning, and it wasn't even a day it was.
Speaker 2: So the wind started up after the door was open, yeah,
Speaker 2: and after you commanded this to leave.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And then there's this cold wind that goes by
Speaker 11: me and then goes by my buddy and then goes
Speaker 11: out the door.
Speaker 3: Weird.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I thought that was really strange. It felt
Speaker 11: strange because it was just a weird.
Speaker 12: Kind of like gust.
Speaker 11: And then my daughter never had night terrors from that
Speaker 11: point on. From there, from then on, the house that
Speaker 11: that house was the house, just a house. There was
Speaker 11: There was no other night terrors that she had, and
Speaker 11: that that's the only thing I can explain, is that
Speaker 11: there was something in there that was tormenting her.
Speaker 12: Principel something like that. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: That was a really interesting story, and it kind of
Speaker 2: reminded me of your sister Demon No no, No. Amber
Speaker 2: used to have night terrors. She would wake up and
Speaker 2: it was creepy because we'd hear these little footsteps, you know,
Speaker 2: when she was like seven or eight, I don't know,
Speaker 2: and we go out in the hallway and she'd be
Speaker 2: standing in the hallway and pointing at things on the
Speaker 2: walls or whatever and just like terrified. But then we
Speaker 2: kind of have to coax her back to her bedroom
Speaker 2: and put her in bed, and she'd be asleep and
Speaker 2: then she'd wake up, but she wouldn't remember any of them.
Speaker 3: Well, that's weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really weird.
Speaker 3: I heard a story about my cousin and he fell
Speaker 3: asleep on the couch. He was young and uh maybe
Speaker 3: I don't know, six seven something, but he fell asleep
Speaker 3: on the couch and dad, being a good dad, goes
Speaker 3: to pick him up and take him to his room
Speaker 3: to go to bed. Yeah, and he's walking down the
Speaker 3: hallway and randomly, cousin of mine just goes ah like
Speaker 3: scrowls and gnashing teeth and claws like a grip, looking angry,
Speaker 3: you looking fists, and then goes back to sleep. And
Speaker 3: it was like, whoa easy buddy, you were there or
Speaker 3: was that I wasn't there. I just heard the story once.
Speaker 2: So the dad I saw that dad.
Speaker 3: Was carrying him and then then the kid had this reaction.
Speaker 3: It could be any number of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's weird. That is creepy. So we're talking
Speaker 2: about you know, dreams and dream states and stuff. There
Speaker 2: are a lot of and you could go into the
Speaker 2: religious realm of this, or you could go into you know,
Speaker 2: just stories that people tell of encounters with spirits or
Speaker 2: ghosts or people that they knew before they passed away
Speaker 2: that are interacting in their dreams and helping them or
Speaker 2: guiding them in their dreams or giving them some kind
Speaker 2: of information. And so that's another aspect of this that's
Speaker 2: kind of interesting. It's not possession or evil. It's more
Speaker 2: of like, I don't know, it's like they show up,
Speaker 2: like family members or somebody who love shows up and
Speaker 2: actually helps you through something.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And then you also have things that happen in life
Speaker 2: where you see something that you associate it with somebody
Speaker 2: that passed away.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Like my brother, he always associates like when he finds
Speaker 2: money on the ground, especially quarters, he'll think, oh, that's
Speaker 2: that's you know my dad. Yeah, because his dad would
Speaker 2: give him quarters, and usually when he was like struggling
Speaker 2: with something personal in his life, there'd be a quarter
Speaker 2: that would just show up, and he would associate that
Speaker 2: with you know, that's like my dad saying it's going
Speaker 2: to be okay, yeah, or something I have you know
Speaker 2: a personal story with that. During my wedding, yeah, that
Speaker 2: what they call it, Yeah, the party part. Yeah, after
Speaker 2: the wedding, after the wedding, after.
Speaker 3: Reception, Yeah, that thing. The uncle came up and said, hey,
Speaker 3: I saw this under your chair, and I've always associated
Speaker 3: it with my dad kind of thing.
Speaker 2: There's a quartern.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so onceidents or not, it meant a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like your grandpa saying, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm here and I approve some good works. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: slap on the booty. Yeah, so that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2: That's another kind of manifestation of these things that we're
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 3: I mean that one's very common, I think. Yeah, probably
Speaker 3: confirmation biased.
Speaker 2: You could totally explain that scientifically, because you're you're biased
Speaker 2: to explain it that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's also a meaning to it, and nobody
Speaker 3: can explain what something means to you based on science. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's no formula for your own cognitive I mean there's
Speaker 3: there's theories and stuff, but nobody can dissect your brain
Speaker 3: tell you exactly what you're.
Speaker 2: Feeling where you associate other than you. So one of
Speaker 2: the things that we haven't talked about is the whole
Speaker 2: idea of like people visiting you in visions with some
Speaker 2: kind of paranormal or extra kinds of information. So a
Speaker 2: lot of people like go to like a spiritist or
Speaker 2: a diviner or a necromancer to get information from people
Speaker 2: that have passed on. And these are like people that
Speaker 2: are intermediaries that are supposed to, you know, through a
Speaker 2: sance or whatever that's supposed to be able to communicate
Speaker 2: with the dead and pass on information like a medium. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we've seen those kind of things and countless movies
Speaker 2: or TV episodes.
Speaker 3: It's the same stuff ever worked.
Speaker 5: Oh mind, but it will today, dude.
Speaker 2: But that stuff is still very popular. People will go
Speaker 2: to get some kind of fortune telling or some kind
Speaker 2: of person that can contact the dead and give information
Speaker 2: because they feel like they need it.
Speaker 3: A grandma, Are you proud of me? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Which is different than you know. I saw quarter
Speaker 2: and it reminded me of my grandpa.
Speaker 3: So I think I can make a quick distinction between
Speaker 3: the two. Okay, Shortly after my grandma passed away, I
Speaker 3: was at my mother in law's work to pick up
Speaker 3: my son. Not a place I would ever go ever,
Speaker 3: you know, I never been there since. I've never been
Speaker 3: there before. I've been there one time.
Speaker 2: It's not your normal place.
Speaker 3: So I pick up my son and she's like, hey,
Speaker 3: you should meet Karen, you should meet Lloyd. You know, hey, guys,
Speaker 3: listen to the dad to the kid that's been here
Speaker 3: all day.
Speaker 2: And then out of.
Speaker 3: The peripheral upper corner of my vision, I thought I
Speaker 3: saw my grandma standing there.
Speaker 2: Who had just died.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it wasn't like a like a person that
Speaker 3: was a random person walking by. It was very clearly
Speaker 3: in my brain my grandma. Like just the familiarity was
Speaker 3: so obvious to me. And then look up, nobody's there.
Speaker 3: Maybe somebody had walked by, and my brain filled in
Speaker 3: a gap, which is where it becomes a murky thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe your your grandma walked by, it your mother in
Speaker 3: law's work. That would It doesn't make any sense, so
Speaker 3: it's probably my brain filling in a gap, or.
Speaker 2: Or somebody you saw a trait that you kind.
Speaker 3: Of recognize, a floral sweater and a skirt or whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, some genes, some sketchers and a floral sweater.
Speaker 3: What a very typical grandma outfit. And then my brain
Speaker 3: saw that peripherally and then filled in all the gaps
Speaker 3: because of the morning process.
Speaker 2: Did you have her?
Speaker 3: And I think in that time I was pretty depressed
Speaker 3: because we had like back to back to back funerals
Speaker 3: and yeah, it was all messed up and it was
Speaker 3: very uncomfortable for me. So that kind of happens in life.
Speaker 3: I think people will see something peripherally, especially, and it'll
Speaker 3: just you know, make bridges. You're neurons, synaps or whatever
Speaker 3: they call it, and you're like floral sweater knitting Grandma Wanda,
Speaker 3: you know. And then you're at that point without even
Speaker 3: thinking about it. But in my brain I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, like tough yard. I had to like pause
Speaker 3: for a second and say, I'm sorry, I just got distracted.
Speaker 3: What were you saying? You know, I had to recover
Speaker 3: from this thing that happened. But I think that's where
Speaker 3: a lot of ghost stories might come from. And same
Speaker 3: with dreams. I've mentioned before a dream that I had,
Speaker 3: I think where my grandpa, who had recently passed, was
Speaker 3: out in the backyard of his house picking up sticks
Speaker 3: with me. Yeah, and we were picking up sticks and
Speaker 3: he walks off into the fog, chasing the stick that
Speaker 3: grew legs and ran away. But it's like my brain
Speaker 3: is filling in gaps, probably while I'm sleeping, based on
Speaker 3: my external input, and then my brain's like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: let's think about that. You're dwelling on it, let's project
Speaker 3: it in your brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like your subconscious mind is communicating some kind
Speaker 2: of information that maybe you don't understand why, but it's
Speaker 2: it's working things out way. All of these things kind
Speaker 2: of married together in this whole realm of supernatural and entities.
Speaker 2: Let's try to like simplify and boil this down again.
Speaker 2: So the possibilities are we have disembodied spirits from humans
Speaker 2: that lived that are stuck or are trying to communicate.
Speaker 2: They can do that in real life kind of things
Speaker 2: like oh, you know, they show up sitting on your
Speaker 2: bed or talk to them, and they pass through your
Speaker 2: house and somehow communicate something to you and then they're talking.
Speaker 3: With your ancestor, right, kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So you have that, or you have these are demonic
Speaker 2: evil spirits or at best something that's just kind of
Speaker 2: not necessarily good or bad, but some kind of other
Speaker 2: kind of creature into.
Speaker 3: Tea another dimension, right right, that.
Speaker 2: Is somehow able to project into our reality and communicate
Speaker 2: or try to communicate. And I guess that information that
Speaker 2: they communicate could be evil bad, or it could be benign,
Speaker 2: or it could be good. So there's that. It's a
Speaker 2: it's another kind of creature. So in there you would
Speaker 2: have demons, evil stuff, angels, whatever. Then you have psychoses,
Speaker 2: which are totally explained by some kind of natural physiological
Speaker 2: kind of condition where a disability or some kind of
Speaker 2: psychological disorder, depression. And then you have things where people
Speaker 2: are experiencing something that's maybe there brain is helping them,
Speaker 2: you know, make connections and explaining things, but really isn't
Speaker 2: anything supernatural. It's just it's just your mind connecting the dots, right.
Speaker 2: So you have that, then you have like sleep disorders
Speaker 2: or visions where things are happening not in your conscious
Speaker 2: mind but your subconscious mind while you're asleep or in
Speaker 2: some other altered state. So I'm trying to think of
Speaker 2: any others.
Speaker 3: These all kind of skipped over.
Speaker 2: Poltergeist, Yeah, that's another poltergeist. And also the hauntings of
Speaker 2: things caught in a loop, which would be a physical
Speaker 2: realm kind of.
Speaker 3: Repeat repeat a traumatic event in time in time continuum.
Speaker 2: That's that's skipping and it's just replaying. We also kind
Speaker 2: of skipped over the whole idea of you know, different
Speaker 2: kinds of beings that are actually different created creatures that
Speaker 2: are trying to interact with this.
Speaker 3: World, which is kind of the malevolent, nefarious you mentioned
Speaker 3: that earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we also have with that we have aliens, yeah,
Speaker 2: or you know whatever, demons, demons that are kind of transdimensional,
Speaker 2: multi dimensional beings. That's a possibility, and we have you know,
Speaker 2: like the atheist would say that, no, this is all
Speaker 2: made up stuff that we are because of our bias
Speaker 2: and because of our religious upbringing, we are making these
Speaker 2: things up in our head. I don't really know which
Speaker 2: one to believe. I know my bias, but he said,
Speaker 2: the atheists, well, yeah, I mean people have no religious
Speaker 2: belief you know. There they would say that, you know,
Speaker 2: because of our religious upbringing, we have these preconceived ideas
Speaker 2: of what you know, evil is or the devil is
Speaker 2: and whatever, right, and because of that, our bias automatically
Speaker 2: puts things in those buckets. And when we're trying to
Speaker 2: explain something that we can't explain, we just dip into
Speaker 2: that bucket. It's mysticism, right, you know, in my mind
Speaker 2: because I am I hate to say the word religious,
Speaker 2: but because I'm a spiritual I'm spiritual. I you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of lean towards other entity creatures that manifest
Speaker 2: in this world. And I don't know if they're all
Speaker 2: necessarily evil, but I think a lot of the things
Speaker 2: I hear from people that experience these kinds of interactions.
Speaker 2: They are not good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of times they're not.
Speaker 2: And so I would say I would classify them as
Speaker 2: if they are those kind of creatures, then they are
Speaker 2: evil because they want to do harm.
Speaker 3: Right, what's your thoughts. I don't know for sure, but
Speaker 3: I've had one thing that happened that scared me. It's
Speaker 3: probably scientifically explained somehow, And I think I mentioned it before,
Speaker 3: where the CDs violently flew off of my player, my
Speaker 3: boombox or whatever. And that was weird. And that's the
Speaker 3: only time I remember being like, there's a ghost in here.
Speaker 3: That was a weird And that was at a house
Speaker 3: where a guy hung himself.
Speaker 2: He hung himself in the basement. We didn't tell And
Speaker 2: that's where your sister was having night terrors?
Speaker 3: Was it really? Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: It is weird.
Speaker 3: So there's like a little bit of weirdness to that.
Speaker 3: And I didn't know the guy had hung himself at
Speaker 3: that point. I don't think. I think you told us that,
Speaker 3: like when we moved out, like that day, You're like,
Speaker 3: so here's what I've been waiting to tell you, guys.
Speaker 3: I've had weird things. I remember once we lived by
Speaker 3: a canal and I went on a long bike ride.
Speaker 3: You're on this canal, and I remember feeling like something
Speaker 3: was coming after me, a little bit, like like it
Speaker 3: was I just felt off bad. I was with my
Speaker 3: cousin at the time, and there's this giant tree at
Speaker 3: the kind of corner of the lot by the canal,
Speaker 3: and it's quite a bit of ways from the house
Speaker 3: we lived in at the time, but and that tree
Speaker 3: just would not get closer, and I felt like I
Speaker 3: had been peddling forever.
Speaker 2: You couldn't quite get to it, and I couldn't get.
Speaker 3: To the tree. And finally I did, but I felt
Speaker 3: like something was behind me, like it was trying to
Speaker 3: get me. And then the tree would not get closer.
Speaker 3: And that was a weird experience that sticks out.
Speaker 2: I had a really you know, that same house down
Speaker 2: from where that tree was. I think I've even explained
Speaker 2: it on the podcast before. I had a dream or
Speaker 2: vision or experience where all of us were in that
Speaker 2: house and there was some kind of evil presence that
Speaker 2: came into the house when I came in, and there
Speaker 2: was like this dull, throbbing drone and I fell to
Speaker 2: the ground and it was like there was one thousand
Speaker 2: pounds on me, all over my body. I couldn't move,
Speaker 2: a sleep paralysis, frozen to the floor, and all I
Speaker 2: could do was look over and I could see your mom.
Speaker 2: She was frozen to the floor, and Amber, your sister
Speaker 2: was frozen to the floor. And you were frozen to
Speaker 2: the floor. And it was like there's an evil presence here.
Speaker 2: And I couldn't move, I couldn't do anything. And eventually I,
Speaker 2: you know, I had the presence of mind and say, no,
Speaker 2: you have no authority over me. You cannot be here.
Speaker 2: My gondolf storm grow. Yeah, it was like that. And
Speaker 2: I said that, and immediately the drone stopped and we
Speaker 2: were able to get up.
Speaker 3: So that story freaked me out. Yeah, you told me
Speaker 3: that I was probably too young to hear anything like that.
Speaker 3: But we were living at the other house that we
Speaker 3: lived in that same town, Yeah, and Bitterroot, and they
Speaker 3: were redoing the road and one of those big pavement
Speaker 3: roller things came by and I was home. I had
Speaker 3: a fever. Do you remember this. We had our floors
Speaker 3: because I flooded the house. I didn't do it on purpose.
Speaker 3: It was like a weird fluke thing, but it was
Speaker 3: my fault, and I flooded the house. We had all
Speaker 3: the floors up, so and I had a fever and
Speaker 3: I stayed home. I'm home by myself, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, the whole place is everything's shaken. Pictures are
Speaker 3: falling off the wall, and everything's like uneven because it's
Speaker 3: just sub floor. And I'm like, oh my gosh, this
Speaker 3: is what Dad just.
Speaker 2: Told me about.
Speaker 3: Did I have a fever? So my brain's a little
Speaker 3: messed up. It was one of those those rollers, and
Speaker 3: I thought for sure shit was going down.
Speaker 2: The devil was there.
Speaker 3: It was a rapture, fire was going to come out
Speaker 3: of a sewer or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know it well. You know, it's kind of
Speaker 2: cool because from a religious aspect, because I am a
Speaker 2: spiritual person, right and I have a believe set. It's
Speaker 2: like it does give me a different perspective that kind
Speaker 2: of helps me not be overly afraid. You know, we
Speaker 2: go bigfoot hunting or if we're looking for aliens or
Speaker 2: for out you know, trying to find ghosts or whatever,
Speaker 2: I don't have like terror. It's like maybe I feel
Speaker 2: kind of like I've got protection. Maybe I'm stupid, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't quite bug me as much as I think
Speaker 2: it does some people. And I really believe in the
Speaker 2: spiritual realm, and because of that, I tend to have
Speaker 2: those kind of goggles on when I think about ghosts
Speaker 2: or entities or even demons or aliens or bigfoot whatever.
Speaker 2: I can't help it. I mean, they're on, and so
Speaker 2: I think of them through those lenses. And it's really
Speaker 2: nice to not be totally afraid and to be able
Speaker 2: to go out and check some of these things out,
Speaker 2: because some of the things are If I didn't have,
Speaker 2: that would be terrifying. I mean, the whole idea of
Speaker 2: like these demons that could tear up my life, that
Speaker 2: are after my soul and my destruction, my eternal destruction.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a terrifying thought if you don't have
Speaker 2: any kind of you know, armor or buffer to prevent
Speaker 2: that from taking place. And I definitely wouldn't want to
Speaker 2: be out, you know, tempting fate with these entities or creatures.
Speaker 2: If that didn't exist, I would.
Speaker 3: Say, like when we're quote unquote bigfoot hunting or you know,
Speaker 3: walking around in the dark in the woods and kind
Speaker 3: of putting ourselves in some kind of proscrictious situations. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure, I'm a little more afraid of maybe like
Speaker 3: bumping a badger while spooking a bear up or mountain
Speaker 3: lion or something that I am of an actual bigfoot
Speaker 3: coming after, which might be my demise. But yeah, it
Speaker 3: doesn't scare me so much. Then maybe it's ignorance, and
Speaker 3: maybe it is a biological animal monkey. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: if it was, I wouldn't be as afraid as I
Speaker 3: would be awestruck. I might shoot it.
Speaker 2: But out of defense, only defense and fame. Well, anyway,
Speaker 2: I think we pretty much beat this dead horse with
Speaker 2: a rubber stick.
Speaker 3: So give me your your total conclusion of ghosts, Like
Speaker 3: if you had to sum up, Hey, Mike, what's ghosts?
Speaker 2: You know? I don't know. I don't know. I do
Speaker 2: know that from my let's say, religious background, I do
Speaker 2: know that it was strictly forbidden for people to go
Speaker 2: out and try to find some kind of secret information
Speaker 2: from a diviner or necromancer from the dead. Basically, do
Speaker 2: not mess with the dead stuff. And I do think
Speaker 2: there's a link there to the possibility that there are
Speaker 2: spirits in the spirit realm that are bad, that are
Speaker 2: out for no good and they want to lead you astray.
Speaker 2: I do believe that. So as far as like whether
Speaker 2: or not you can come in contact with a dead
Speaker 2: human and have them give you information, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We have that one example of the Witch of Indoor
Speaker 2: somehow being able to channel that, and that's in First Samuel.
Speaker 2: I believe, starting in like chapter twenty eight, there is
Speaker 2: that story where that did happen. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that was a one time exception or if that's something
Speaker 2: that can happen now. I don't know. So I do
Speaker 2: believe that there is an afterlife for our souls, and
Speaker 2: at least in that one, okay, it crossed over. Now,
Speaker 2: there are all kinds of stories in like different ethnic
Speaker 2: groups about like the Day of the Dead or whatever,
Speaker 2: where the veil between this life and the afterlife becomes
Speaker 2: thin and spirits can cross over. It's the whole idea
Speaker 2: of Halloween. So I'm not sure about the human spirits.
Speaker 2: I do believe there are demonic spirits or fallen angels
Speaker 2: or disembodied nephelum that are looking for houses to live in,
Speaker 2: bodies to inhabit, or ways to interact with humans that
Speaker 2: lead them to destruction. So I do believe in that.
Speaker 2: I know there's that famous verse where you know that
Speaker 2: Satan himself can appear as an angel of light to
Speaker 2: lead people astray. So I think you gotta be really careful.
Speaker 2: So you know, when I go out, I have mixed
Speaker 2: emotions when we go out on like a paranormal adventure,
Speaker 2: because part of me is like, I don't want secret
Speaker 2: knowledge from beyond, but I do want to pass on
Speaker 2: information that maybe helps people that are like stuck in
Speaker 2: a rut where they're trying to seek out information from
Speaker 2: entities or things that could be nefarious and bad. I
Speaker 2: just would say, don't do it. If you want to
Speaker 2: go out and go do a paranormal adventure, go with
Speaker 2: an optimistic mind to find truth and not to try
Speaker 2: to find you know, some kind of of strained special knowledge.
Speaker 3: But it makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's kind of where i'd wrap up. I
Speaker 2: guess I don't know what about you.
Speaker 3: I think in my mind it's like ninety five nine percent.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's mostly confirmation bias and psychological disorders. It's
Speaker 3: like you know you'd lost a loved one and you
Speaker 3: have a dream that night that they come and tell
Speaker 3: you I'm okay, And that's your brain filling in the gaps,
Speaker 3: whether or not you want to or not, and vice versa.
Speaker 3: You know it's.
Speaker 2: Terrible, don't do it, don't do drugs.
Speaker 3: Whatever, it's your brain kind of like filling in these gaps.
Speaker 3: Same with seeing something somewhere. You're in this morning process,
Speaker 3: you're depressed, your brain's you might not be sleeping well,
Speaker 3: you know, your brain's kind of like just compensating for
Speaker 3: your your lacking of understanding. But I think there is
Speaker 3: a time or a few times, like you mentioned biblically
Speaker 3: or even just stories, where somebody has like a weird experience,
Speaker 3: you know, where there there's a possession or there's you know,
Speaker 3: something truly weird with what's going on. And maybe it
Speaker 3: is in places where there's a lot of traumatic events,
Speaker 3: like a prison. Sometimes I think it's like a location
Speaker 3: where something terrible happened, and that just draws in people
Speaker 3: who are into those kinds of things, not that they're
Speaker 3: into murdering people, but that they're open to the idea
Speaker 3: of evil being so powerful. I think that might make
Speaker 3: it so that things that are maybe beyond our world
Speaker 3: can kind of manifest in these things.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you're right there. You know, people want
Speaker 2: to go to places where weird things happen. There's nostalgia
Speaker 2: about those places. There's like a well you could call
Speaker 2: it a spirit. There's a spirit about those places that
Speaker 2: people are intrigued by and they want to experience it.
Speaker 3: And you hear stories all the time of like a
Speaker 3: guy murdered his family on a farm and then commit
Speaker 3: suicide and it was in the news, and then people
Speaker 3: traveled from all over the countries to see that, to
Speaker 3: go see that place and maybe like steal a piece
Speaker 3: of the like maybe steal a plate or a knife,
Speaker 3: right whatever from the l.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what we did when we went to the
Speaker 2: Idaho State Penitentiary.
Speaker 3: I didn't steal anything.
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, But what I'm saying is that people
Speaker 2: went there because or we went there because we knew
Speaker 2: that it was supposedly a place where bad things happened.
Speaker 2: They were like these.
Speaker 3: Defections, definitely a place where bad things happened because at prison. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of stuff in like the early nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. Well, we beat this horse pretty good.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we need to answered.
Speaker 3: Anything super nefarious horse.
Speaker 2: If you were going to leave our listeners with something,
Speaker 2: what would you leave them. I think I'd say something like,
Speaker 2: be careful, be wise, don't get it over your head,
Speaker 2: don't pursue things that could cause mischief in your life.
Speaker 3: That's not the guy who told me about the incubust thing.
Speaker 3: He said, I heard you went on a ghost adventure,
Speaker 3: your ghost hunting tour. I heard your ghostbuster or something.
Speaker 3: And then he said, told me that whole story about
Speaker 3: the incubists, Raven the girl. And then he basically said,
Speaker 3: you need to be careful because stuff like that can
Speaker 3: stay with you.
Speaker 2: So I noticed when we were there they told us
Speaker 2: don't then try to antagonize things because they can follow you.
Speaker 3: I'm like, good luck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the science is super fast. But you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to tempt I don't want to, like
Speaker 2: challenge forces and principalities. I don't know what these things are.
Speaker 2: In some aspect, I want to know if they're real,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to challenge them. I don't want
Speaker 2: to bait them. If they are these creatures that were
Speaker 2: created with abilities, powers, whatever they are, I don't want
Speaker 2: to challenge them and try to get them to react.
Speaker 2: To me in a way that's negative, But I would
Speaker 2: like to have knowledge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the fine line. I think too. It's like,
Speaker 3: you want to study bears, but eventually, you know you're
Speaker 3: going to invade the bear and you're gonna you know,
Speaker 3: you're going to push your limits a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you want to take pictures and pictures and pictures, and
Speaker 3: eventually it's going to be you took a picture of
Speaker 3: the cub and the mam was there, and I got
Speaker 3: mad at.
Speaker 2: You and it was a grizzly or a polar bear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something in and it's out of it's more powerful
Speaker 3: than you can you can handle. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: because of our religion, and maybe to some it might
Speaker 3: be ignorance, but because of our religion and my faith set,
Speaker 3: I feel as though nothing in that realm is capable
Speaker 3: of correctly affecting me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have to go through a different kind
Speaker 2: of shield.
Speaker 3: It might scare the living shit out of me, but
Speaker 3: I believe that it's basically like almost afraid of me
Speaker 3: because of.
Speaker 2: Your faith, my faith. Yeah, you know, and I kind
Speaker 2: of wonder that too. Sometimes. Maybe that's why we don't
Speaker 2: experience as much as we want is because you know,
Speaker 2: we're like ghost kryptonite or something. I think faith is good,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to go out and say, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I have super faith, so they're frighting go out and
Speaker 2: like and poke all these bears without getting my face
Speaker 2: bit off, you know, Michael or ghost poker, ghost Poker.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know what we should close this off.
Speaker 2: We've talked a long time. We got lots of stuff,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if we answered any questions, but
Speaker 2: hopefully we made people think about it. What did they
Speaker 2: think of when they think of ghosts? And I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe some of our listeners have really cool stories that
Speaker 2: they'd like to share with us. I'd love to hear
Speaker 2: the stories of this encounters with entities, ghosts, whatever.
Speaker 3: And any well written ghost story I think is potential
Speaker 3: good content for our show. Yeah, yeah, I think definitely
Speaker 3: good shows episodes about just people write in messages about
Speaker 3: ghost stories, Bigfoot sketch watch.
Speaker 2: Any of the encounters you've had. We would love to
Speaker 2: share those and get them out there. And maybe you've
Speaker 2: had a different maybe have a totally different idea or opinion,
Speaker 2: and we'd love to hear that too.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's the Illuminati, you were Joe Biden or something
Speaker 3: that's haunting you. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Your live dog face pony soldiers. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, why don't you close us out before I
Speaker 2: talk any more longer and I lose my voice and
Speaker 2: I can't sleep tonight.
Speaker 3: Well, I think before we go to bed, we need
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm still way behind on our website. Take so
Speaker 2: much time to do this. I mean, we do the recordings,
Speaker 2: we we have to edit them, get them together, get
Speaker 2: them up and get them out, and then do the
Speaker 2: little artwork that we do. And then it's like, man,
Speaker 2: I just can't quite get to the to the website
Speaker 2: and update everything. It's like I'm like two episodes behind.
Speaker 2: But I'll keep trying.
Speaker 3: Yep, But check it out. Maybe if you guys help
Speaker 3: us out enough, we can be able to keep up
Speaker 3: on stuff better. Yeah, maybe, just maybe.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Join us next time for some cold drinks and
Speaker 3: some strange conversations.
Speaker 2: Sounds good, Taters,