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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you live from the Stranger's own studios and

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<v Speaker 1>scenic Nampa, Idaho, Oh, Meridian, Idaho. This is a Strange

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<v Speaker 1>Thing podcast cast cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice, that was a good one, Austin. Yeah, I'm Mike

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm Austin and we're your hosts with the Strange

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<v Speaker 2>Thing podcast. Like you said, Yeah, I like that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What episode are we on?

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<v Speaker 3>Seven hundred?

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<v Speaker 2>No episode thirty six? Yeah, thirty six. I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem like a lot, but where we started with

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<v Speaker 2>zero and we haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>Been doing it for that long yep, going on to

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<v Speaker 3>we have.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been crazy. We get thirty six. It's been really

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<v Speaker 2>hard the last couple episodes to get them done and

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<v Speaker 2>get them out. They've been fun. But what a strange year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean last year was the year of COVID. This

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<v Speaker 2>year is the year of strange, post COVID, post COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just glad I don't have to wear a mask anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, need to?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we had to celebrate no maskitude. We did with

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<v Speaker 3>a little beer break.

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<v Speaker 2>A little beer break.

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<v Speaker 3>Two minutes in and we're already starting a beer break.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was it was a very productive, it was

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<v Speaker 3>very productive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeap, What did we do?

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<v Speaker 3>We went out there and we worked on the mother ship.

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<v Speaker 2>We did we had to take Bolt out of the

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<v Speaker 2>side panels of the mother.

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<v Speaker 3>Ship and they were all riddle and girls and old

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<v Speaker 3>ripped off some of the fiber glass.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do you expect when it's like nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>eight box van.

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<v Speaker 3>But we did have some good discussions and spirits. We

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<v Speaker 3>had some spirits, if you will, with our discussions, which

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<v Speaker 3>brings us back to the point. Maybe we drink a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of a dead guy ale we did by

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<v Speaker 3>Rogue Brewing Company.

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<v Speaker 2>Which brings us further to the point, which is when

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<v Speaker 2>we went out to the Idaho State Penitentiary to look

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<v Speaker 2>for paranormal activity with those investigators, what were we trying

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<v Speaker 2>to find?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean you just said paranormal activity, I know,

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<v Speaker 3>but what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I got home and I've been thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>this for like the last couple of weeks. What is

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal activity? What are we looking for?

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<v Speaker 3>What are spirits and dead guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Spirits, ghosts, apparitions, I mean, you name it whatever they are,

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<v Speaker 2>evil spirits, demons? What are they? And it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>bothered me. You know, we're out here looking for the

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<v Speaker 2>spirit beings that supposedly lived in this place for a

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<v Speaker 2>certain amount of time, that haunt this location, with the

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<v Speaker 2>predetermined idea that these guys are the remnant spirits of

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<v Speaker 2>these incarcerated humans.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it their spirit or is it their anger manifested

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<v Speaker 3>as energy in the walls, or is it their scar

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<v Speaker 3>on the earth as such a terrible part of humanity?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly? And then I got to thinking, well, why do

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<v Speaker 2>we think that way? Because what are they? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what are they? Are they ghosts in the

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<v Speaker 2>sense of like a.

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<v Speaker 3>Spirit that's stepper, that a dead person who was wronged

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<v Speaker 3>and they have to fulfill the task to make it

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<v Speaker 3>to the next life.

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<v Speaker 2>Or are they like some kind of evil entity that

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<v Speaker 2>inhabits a location where a lot of bad things happened.

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<v Speaker 3>They were so evil they were bound to earth and

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<v Speaker 3>they can only wrecavoc right people, right, necessary eternal torment

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<v Speaker 3>or terrible the rest of their existence exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is it like because the place is kind of nefarious.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a terrible event that happened in time and then

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<v Speaker 3>a whole space time continuum, and it manifests as a

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<v Speaker 3>record player spins a spatch and it skips consistently forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something like that. Is it that or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is it something that can be explained scientifically? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>something that we have to explain with some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>supernatural reason. I mean, I just got thinking about that

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<v Speaker 2>and then I thought, hey, that's a perfect thing to

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<v Speaker 2>do for our next topic. What are these ghosts?

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<v Speaker 3>WTF ghosts?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, WTF ghosts? What are they? I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 2>think about it, look at the popularity of like paranormal shows.

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<v Speaker 3>Forever Casper Scooby Dooby.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm thinking even like more recently with like ghost Hunters,

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<v Speaker 2>even on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 3>You can even go way back with your mind on

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<v Speaker 3>your money and your money on your mind to like

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<v Speaker 3>a Christmas story or Christmas or whatever that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Christmas lug Yeah yeah guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well the ghosts of Christmas pass and that's a different,

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<v Speaker 3>totally different kind of ghost, right, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Is what it is and the grasshoppers what it is

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<v Speaker 2>and Christmas having a good day, And then you can

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<v Speaker 2>go back further than that. I mean, there are stories

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<v Speaker 2>all through history. I mean, look, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>get biblical right, look at the story of King Saul

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<v Speaker 2>and the Witch of.

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<v Speaker 3>Indoor from from Lord of the Rings, which of Indoor.

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<v Speaker 2>Different, No, that's Star Wars, but not that Indoor either.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like Saul is wanting information about this battle,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he goes to he he gets his guys

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<v Speaker 2>and they say, okay, we need to find a necromancer.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to find somebody who can divine and contact

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<v Speaker 2>spirits because I want to talk to my old you know,

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<v Speaker 2>prophetic guru named Samuel. So he goes and he visits

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<v Speaker 2>this witch who is able, for some reason, to conjure

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<v Speaker 2>up the spirit of Samuel. And I mean, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>crazy story in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>It just sounds like Lord of the Rings.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it does. It totally does.

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<v Speaker 3>Sam went down to the Witch of Endor to speak

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<v Speaker 3>with his prophetic master.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what's really weird about that story is Samuel actually

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<v Speaker 2>shows up. The spirit of Samuel shows up, and it

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<v Speaker 2>not only freaks out the witch because she's not it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like she doesn't expect for that to happen, but

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<v Speaker 2>it also freaks out King Saul because all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>now he's doing something that was totally forbidden. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>as the King of Israel, he was not allowed. There

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<v Speaker 2>were like strict rules about doing anything like that. No

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<v Speaker 2>need anything with the you know, astrologers or sorcerers or necromancers,

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>You couldn't do that dungeons and dragons characters.

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<v Speaker 2>But he did in anyway apparently in this story, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can look it up, this spirit of Samuel the

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<v Speaker 2>prophet shows up and he's like, why he bugging me, Saul.

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<v Speaker 3>What's your problem?

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<v Speaker 2>And anyway, he gets a severe judgment because they were

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<v Speaker 2>forbidden to try to find and conjure up spirits from

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<v Speaker 2>the dead. So anyway, that's that's a story. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>these things are all over the place, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>stories of ghosts and ghouls and all kinds of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>as far back as.

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<v Speaker 3>You can do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's happened. And even like in our you know

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<v Speaker 2>series on Strange Gods, there were stories of gods and

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<v Speaker 2>ghosts and spirits.

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<v Speaker 3>The way way that thing passing through walls. He's dead

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<v Speaker 3>but now he's alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's very ghosty. Well, and think of the Holy

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<v Speaker 2>ghost or the Holy spirit. Right, and then you've got

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<v Speaker 2>in Islam. In Islam, you've got ghosts, and you've got

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<v Speaker 2>gin's and you've got all kinds of stuff. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff in almost every major.

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<v Speaker 3>Culture speaking of gin from Freaking the Shining Lloyd the ghost. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that gives Jack the gin which makes him crazy and

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<v Speaker 3>kills his family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. See, it's all Stephen King. It's circular, and it

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<v Speaker 2>all comes back to Stephen King or the spirit that

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<v Speaker 2>impacts Stephen.

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<v Speaker 3>He says he doesn't write his books, he just writes down.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's like channeling, which is another kind of apparition

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<v Speaker 2>spirit kind of but that one almost goes to possession,

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<v Speaker 2>which that is another form of spirit.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, which on a whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, it brings us all back to what in the

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<v Speaker 2>heck are these strange ghost hosts that everybody's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>find proof of or you know, discredit or explain or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>What is going on here? And why in the heck

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<v Speaker 2>would you and I and Dave think it would be

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<v Speaker 2>fun to go out with paranormal investigators and try to

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<v Speaker 2>find and locate some kind of supernatural thing that interacts

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<v Speaker 2>with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fun, It was really fun. But I wish

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<v Speaker 2>someone had a Wigi board. No, no, I stay away

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<v Speaker 2>from Wigi board.

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<v Speaker 3>I won't do it, but I will watch people do.

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<v Speaker 2>It well there are a lot of stories of creepy

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<v Speaker 2>things with people with wigi boards. So anyway, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>saying there is something about the supernatural aspect of something

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<v Speaker 2>beyond what we can see and understand that draws us

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<v Speaker 2>like moths to a flame. I want to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that. What are these things? What could they be?

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<v Speaker 2>We can't answer it with any kind of finality, but

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<v Speaker 2>as hacks, we jump into the topic, you know, basically

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<v Speaker 2>just throw crap everywhere and try to explain something or

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<v Speaker 2>at least satisfy our own itch.

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<v Speaker 5>Ye, so.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think should we give it a shot?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go all right?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's break it down at the very base level.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think ghosts are you? Personally?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? I got so many because this is my like thing, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like all day I listened to all these

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<v Speaker 3>ghost stories on podcasts, Stephen King, all kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So for me, it's like it can be a whole

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<v Speaker 3>number of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so break down the possibilities. Let's I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I keep talking about we need to put these things

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<v Speaker 2>into buckets. Now they might be cracked, leaky buckets, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you can kind of break things down into

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<v Speaker 2>two buckets, right, yeah, supernatural.

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<v Speaker 3>And natural, and then they kind of come together. So

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<v Speaker 3>let's say in your in your natural bucket, you've got

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<v Speaker 3>clear water m hm, clear liquid, clear ectoplasmic.

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<v Speaker 2>Goo quote and it's to me.

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<v Speaker 3>And and you've got clear it's clear, it's concise, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what it is. And then the other one is

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<v Speaker 3>murky gunky ectoplasmic glue with floats in it. And both

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<v Speaker 3>buckets are cracked and they're leaking on the floor and

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<v Speaker 3>they make goopy, brackish ectoplasmic goo backwash in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>where they're meeting together and they're in like their own bucket,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like leaking together.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>Get you got my image in the scientific bucket the

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<v Speaker 3>natural bucket where it's clear. You've got schizophrenia, where we

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<v Speaker 3>know it's a thing that happens.

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<v Speaker 2>So psychological disorder that allows people to see something that

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<v Speaker 2>isn't really there, but they if it's there because their

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<v Speaker 3>And you've got PTSD, maybe you've got weird electric waves,

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<v Speaker 3>sound waves that are causing people to have hallucinations, dehydration

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<v Speaker 2>it basically makes your mind go off and do all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of strange things. But you know it's explainable because

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<v Speaker 2>these visions or whatever they are. Yep, so scientifically non supernatural,

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<v Speaker 3>Ye And naturally explained. Could be even a vision disorder

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<v Speaker 3>seeing people out of the corner of your eye, or

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And it could be like a misperception because you're

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<v Speaker 3>So in your clear science bucket, you've got psychology and

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<v Speaker 2>And you also have in that science bucket you have

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<v Speaker 2>explanations for people that believe it supernatural, which is they

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<v Speaker 2>have a psychosis or they're assigning, like you said, confirmation bias,

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<v Speaker 2>they're signing things to it. But you can justify it

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<v Speaker 2>as an outsider. Now, for the person that's actually experiencing it,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it could very well could be potentially, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's why they both buckets leak.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and in the leaky bucket department, I would

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<v Speaker 2>it scientifically or capture proof of it scientifically. So like

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<v Speaker 2>the EMF recorders when they hear voices, you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>can play back and like, yes, something answered me right,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe it gets cold in the room. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>physiological change when this thing takes place, So they're not clean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's brackish, and you could even try to like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of a famous study. This was like

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was like McDonald, Yeah, something like that, mcding, doong, mcdemon.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know we should we should have researched this,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a movie based on that, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>probably a really good scientific study. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>like things you could argue that, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>it was biased, but that could be a scientific way

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<v Speaker 2>to pursue the idea that no, we as these beans

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<v Speaker 2>and understand that when it leaves us at death, it's measurable.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where the brackish the two buckets leaked together

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<v Speaker 3>into one right, and then in the other bucket we

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<v Speaker 3>have you know, the the unexplainable stuff. The Annabel dolls

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<v Speaker 3>from the conjuring and and ed Lorraine Warren.

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<v Speaker 1>Where they're there.

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<v Speaker 3>They have no real reason to believe that this doll

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<v Speaker 3>could move. And and you have all these Poultergeist activities

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<v Speaker 3>and and then I guess those leak into maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>But you have.

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<v Speaker 3>Spirituality, Christianity, Buddhism, all these other things that believe in

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<v Speaker 3>these spirits and other things that believe or that that

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<v Speaker 3>live or dwell in this other plane that we can't access.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And you know what's interesting, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>supernatural side things are trying to use scientific method to

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<v Speaker 2>prove that these things exist. So even though they're supernatural,

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to find ways to measure and quantify these things. So, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so we kind of define those two buckets. Now, let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the types of experiences or entities that people

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, and we'll try to put them in a bucket.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll put them in a bucket. They they might span,

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<v Speaker 2>they might jump back different buckets.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they probably will leak on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's go to the most common one that people

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<v Speaker 2>think of with ghosts, and I'm thinking of like sixth

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<v Speaker 2>cents or the others Casper, you know, where it's basically

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who has died and for whatever reason, their spirit lingers.

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<v Speaker 2>So their essence, their spirit of who they are, their

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<v Speaker 2>bodies dead, it's called lifeless, just organic material, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>their life force, their essence continues on and for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't move into like this other dimension or the afterlife,

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<v Speaker 2>but it hangs around, right. Yeah, And so a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people think of ghosts that way, that there are

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<v Speaker 2>these spirit beings that are no longer you know, inhabiting

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<v Speaker 3>Right, what's the word I'm looking for, consciousness?

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<v Speaker 2>Consciousness Consciousness stays.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So it's like your body dies, or the body

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<v Speaker 3>of this person dies, and it's the typical horror movie

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<v Speaker 3>set up. The guy was mistreated, terrible stuff happened, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was a serial killer, and then he died and

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<v Speaker 3>his his consciousness stayed, and now he has a hook

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<v Speaker 3>for a hand and he walked around lover's lane and

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<v Speaker 3>kills people. Okay, something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that's one. But then you have also where

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<v Speaker 2>maybe somebody has unfinished business.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is kind of the the sixth sense, I see, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know he's got to fulfill you know, this person

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<v Speaker 3>him with pine sol right.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the sixth sense, Bruce Willis needed to be

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<v Speaker 2>be free to go on living because he didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>he was dead, right, but he was a ghost. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>spoiler sorry if we ruined that for anybody, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I can go now. I just needed to do a

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I needed to tell you something.

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<v Speaker 2>You were never second.

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<v Speaker 6>Ever. I love you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you haven't seen it by now, I mean yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you're like you're what ten years too late anymore? Now.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, it's a it's a good show. There are

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<v Speaker 2>those kind of views of ghosts. They are disembodied spirits

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<v Speaker 2>of humans that haven't been able to move on for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 3>They have to fulfill the task video game horror movie

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<v Speaker 3>set up. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So then we have beyond that, we have like

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<v Speaker 2>these entities that are more nefarious, that are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people would say they are like evil spirits, that

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<v Speaker 2>they are like you know, not necessarily possessions, but sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>people actually become possessed with these spirits, but they could

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<v Speaker 2>be haunting a location and causing all kinds of mischief

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<v Speaker 2>and nefarious activities.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of like Jason kind of guy, except for totally

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<v Speaker 3>spirit Yeah, I think he was kind of I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>because he keeps coming back like yeah, yeah, yeah, he did,

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<v Speaker 3>he did, he did.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know, he did, he did, and he did.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I see what you're meaning. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a little different than that because these things are not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily manifest in such a realistic way. They're feelings. And

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<v Speaker 2>this type of spirit or entity a lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>is associated with evil, and you find this a lot

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<v Speaker 2>in like religious experience, right, So you talk to evangelicals,

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<v Speaker 2>they would see that these spirits are actually like evil

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<v Speaker 2>demons that are trying to basically maim, kill, and destroy humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>And so they're disembodied spirits of a different kind of creature.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not like spirits from humans. They are like angelic

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<v Speaker 2>beings that lost their vocation because they were evil.

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<v Speaker 3>So that would be more of the conjuring Annabelle Yes

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<v Speaker 3>type thing, where there's a demon that's kind of faking

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<v Speaker 3>to be a dead person to get other people to

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<v Speaker 3>be into it, and then he turns on them and

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<v Speaker 3>takes our soul, right, and so they quote, uh, the

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<v Speaker 3>conjuring Annabel. He's like, what do you want? And it

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<v Speaker 2>It's like your soul and it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh, oh, didn't see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So they would be like devils, they would be

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<v Speaker 2>like evil spirits, devils whatever, And so that's very common.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people experience those kind of things. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I've talked to a few people. We went camping recently

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<v Speaker 5>So there when.

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<v Speaker 7>I was away in Bible.

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<v Speaker 4>School one time, no no, no, no, would you listen

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<v Speaker 7>I was, I mean, I can still remember how I

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<v Speaker 7>it was a ghost, whatever you want to call it,

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<v Speaker 7>whether you want to call it whatever, you call them, principalities,

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<v Speaker 7>I could not move. I actually could not. Yeah, I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 7>It was a presence that was there that I knew

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<v Speaker 7>that I had to pray through in order for this thing.

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<v Speaker 5>To go out of my living room.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a thing.

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<v Speaker 5>I was praying. I was praying, praying, praying.

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<v Speaker 7>That was a week. I was a week. Way to

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<v Speaker 7>take my experience, put it in the mind, just so

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<v Speaker 2>So do you think that was like an evil thing

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<v Speaker 2>or did you think it was like a good thing?

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<v Speaker 7>No, No, it wasn't a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of people think goes to like people

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<v Speaker 2>that have died, their spirits linger and like family members

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. You know, it wasn't that for

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<v Speaker 7>Such a heaviness.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 7>It wasn't a real thing and I'll never forget it.

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<v Speaker 5>Like you think it was for sure evil or was

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<v Speaker 5>it just overpowering?

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<v Speaker 7>And you couldn't if the feeling that I had.

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<v Speaker 8>Was an evil thing?

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<v Speaker 7>Yet? Yeah, it was scary. I was afraid and if

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<v Speaker 7>I wouldn't have been afraid.

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<v Speaker 8>So do you think it's something that your mind could

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<v Speaker 8>have just produced of like, all right, no, I'm in

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<v Speaker 8>this mental state and you know, all of a sudden

430
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<v Speaker 8>your brain puts out this, oh I feel that.

431
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<v Speaker 5>I experience. Can't we talking about? But I was walking

432
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<v Speaker 5>down the street a friend of mine and felt like

433
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<v Speaker 5>it was being chased.

434
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<v Speaker 2>By the devil.

435
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like some type of evil spirit whatever. I felt

436
00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.960
<v Speaker 5>like running. I wasn't even was a constraint. It wasn't nothing.

437
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:38.599
<v Speaker 2>I was the kid.

438
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<v Speaker 5>I actually went to my mom's apartment and called my

439
00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.880
<v Speaker 5>youth pastor and said, I'm being chased by the devil

440
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:50.440
<v Speaker 5>right now. And he actually got out of his bed

441
00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:53.839
<v Speaker 5>and came to my apartment's mom where my mom was,

442
00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:56.799
<v Speaker 5>and said, why do you feel like you're being chased

443
00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.960
<v Speaker 5>by the devil? I said, I don't know. I just

444
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<v Speaker 5>feel this evil presence around it, this this badness.

445
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:05.519
<v Speaker 3>Were going.

446
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:07.480
<v Speaker 5>We prayed and we talked about it for you know,

447
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:11.119
<v Speaker 5>twenty months wherever, and going to calm me down. But

448
00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:14.799
<v Speaker 5>I wasn't praying or meditating or doing anything like that.

449
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:17.119
<v Speaker 5>I was walking down the street with my buddy. It

450
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<v Speaker 5>wasn't dark, and it was it was at night.

451
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:20.759
<v Speaker 3>And maybe she's.

452
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:24.160
<v Speaker 5>Noted this recording that everybody's contributing.

453
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:25.039
<v Speaker 7>To this isn't drinking.

454
00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:29.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've all been drinking and now we're smoking.

455
00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.160
<v Speaker 5>Were that we're smoking cigars?

456
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay? So that was that was pretty interesting to me

457
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.240
<v Speaker 2>because I mean, we run in circles with a lot

458
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<v Speaker 2>of different people who have an evangelical background, and when

459
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:49.279
<v Speaker 2>they think of ghosts and spirits, they think of things

460
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.279
<v Speaker 2>like this. They think of like that spirit chasing you know,

461
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Tim down the road. Yeah, and then they talk about,

462
00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:59.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, a person knowing that something evil was going on.

463
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>So that's another category.

464
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.960
<v Speaker 3>So then we also have in that category, while it

465
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:12.599
<v Speaker 3>is supernatural, is leaking on the floor, Yes.

466
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:15.759
<v Speaker 2>It could be trying to be scientifically explo fear of the.

467
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.319
<v Speaker 3>Dark, or you know, a traumatic childhood event that caused

468
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:23.359
<v Speaker 3>you to have an unexpected reaction to something you heard

469
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:24.039
<v Speaker 3>or something, or.

470
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:28.039
<v Speaker 2>A presupposition because you are raised in a religious home.

471
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you have all these metaphors and ideas, so

472
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:35.799
<v Speaker 2>they manifest in certain ways because you're, for whatever reason,

473
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:39.920
<v Speaker 2>you're susceptible to it. And in fact, here's an explanation

474
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:41.880
<v Speaker 2>of that by one of the guys camping with us

475
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.240
<v Speaker 2>that really didn't have that same view because his perspective

476
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:46.440
<v Speaker 2>wasn't so religious.

477
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:48.559
<v Speaker 5>My theory arm.

478
00:27:50.480 --> 00:28:00.880
<v Speaker 9>Ghosts after so, I think the universe only has so

479
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:07.119
<v Speaker 9>much energy. I think that when someone dies, there's still

480
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:10.680
<v Speaker 9>energy around and it could be a remnant of that energy,

481
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:14.480
<v Speaker 9>like an echo or not necessarily an echo. There's also

482
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:16.559
<v Speaker 9>another theory out there too, as I brought up with

483
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:20.119
<v Speaker 9>you a while back, was when someone dies, do.

484
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:26.759
<v Speaker 10>They continue continue living on in an afterlife slash dimension

485
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:31.920
<v Speaker 10>another dimension? Yeah, and sometimes these barriers between our dimension

486
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:37.960
<v Speaker 10>and the afterlife dimension might merge or crossover or crossover,

487
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.559
<v Speaker 10>which then you would find, you know, where relatives will

488
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:43.680
<v Speaker 10>leave certain items.

489
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:46.720
<v Speaker 9>Or because there's a strong connection between you and that

490
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:50.960
<v Speaker 9>other individuals.

491
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:52.039
<v Speaker 5>That's the theory I've got.

492
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:57.160
<v Speaker 2>So it's pseudoscience, like energy cannot be created or lost,

493
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:00.400
<v Speaker 2>it's just transforms. So that energy of that per and

494
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:05.160
<v Speaker 2>is transforming, and maybe it's it's visible in our dimension,

495
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.680
<v Speaker 2>our domain, but yet it's moving towards a different place,

496
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 2>or maybe it's somewhere in between.

497
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:11.799
<v Speaker 3>You.

498
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can like that one.

499
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:15.559
<v Speaker 3>So there you go.

500
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's really interesting to me because you can

501
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.279
<v Speaker 2>explain this stuff different ways, but there's no denying that

502
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:25.640
<v Speaker 2>people experience this kind of stuff, right, no way. So

503
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:28.680
<v Speaker 2>now let's go on to some other kinds of things

504
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:33.880
<v Speaker 2>that people associate with ghosts or hauntings. We have in

505
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:36.880
<v Speaker 2>some locations something that I don't even know what you

506
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.799
<v Speaker 2>would call it, but it's almost like time gets recorded

507
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.000
<v Speaker 2>and then for whatever reason, like a record skipping, it

508
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:50.680
<v Speaker 2>keeps jumping back and replaying something tragic, something that was

509
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.599
<v Speaker 2>very traumatous, suicide or a.

510
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Lost child or something like that.

511
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, and these things replay, and those are kind of hauntings.

512
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.519
<v Speaker 2>But the difference is these kinds of entities that are

513
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>in these hauntings, they don't interact with the people that

514
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 2>are viewing them or seeing them.

515
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:13.680
<v Speaker 3>It's like a scar on geography, and when you go there,

516
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:16.759
<v Speaker 3>you can see it, but it has no care about you.

517
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.519
<v Speaker 3>It would walk through you, it would, it would, it's

518
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:20.680
<v Speaker 3>not going to move around you.

519
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>It's like a scar. It's kind of like when you

520
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.359
<v Speaker 2>go to Disneyland and you're writing the Haunted House ride

521
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:27.759
<v Speaker 2>and the cart looks around and you look and you

522
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.400
<v Speaker 2>can see this thing in the mirror sitting between you

523
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.200
<v Speaker 2>and whoever you're writing with, and it's like it's like

524
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:35.799
<v Speaker 2>it creeps you out and you look, but it's not

525
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:40.000
<v Speaker 2>really there and it's a trick, but it doesn't really

526
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:42.519
<v Speaker 2>interact with you. It doesn't touch you, it doesn't speak

527
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:45.319
<v Speaker 2>to you. It's just doing its thing over and over

528
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.599
<v Speaker 2>and over again like a loop. Right. And so like

529
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.039
<v Speaker 2>some of the stuff, like when I went to the

530
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:55.319
<v Speaker 2>tuberculosis hospital and Gooding, the descriptions of some of the

531
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.559
<v Speaker 2>hauntings that were there, it would just kind of replay.

532
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:02.480
<v Speaker 2>So people would see this this entity and old person

533
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>with white hair, doctor's kind of you know, uniform who

534
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:09.279
<v Speaker 2>would be doing something, but it wouldn't interact with them.

535
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:10.400
<v Speaker 2>It had no intelligence.

536
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:13.359
<v Speaker 3>It's its own deals, right, just it wasn't infecting its

537
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:16.200
<v Speaker 3>own environment and just being in the Yeah.

538
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:18.720
<v Speaker 6>So you know, I don't know what it is. If

539
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 6>there's like this multi dimensional membrane that's getting punctured that

540
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.640
<v Speaker 6>makes you know this whatever it is though, it's really creepy.

541
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.799
<v Speaker 6>So hauntings would be categorized as things that are geographically

542
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.599
<v Speaker 6>focused or object focused, right, And like the TV hospital

543
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:38.960
<v Speaker 6>in Gooding where they keep seeing a guy who's angry

544
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:39.640
<v Speaker 6>in a.

545
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:40.440
<v Speaker 2>White lab coat.

546
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 6>He's yelling yeah yeah, and he seems to have a

547
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 6>look of a certain period and stuff, and so the

548
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 6>lady that was there, the innkeeper, she didn't necessarily feel

549
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:55.000
<v Speaker 6>that he was yelling at her, but he was standing

550
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 6>in there yelling. So maybe he's one of those. He's

551
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.240
<v Speaker 6>like a haunting where maybe some think traumatic happened and

552
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.480
<v Speaker 6>it's stuck in a loop in that area. I think

553
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.880
<v Speaker 6>you even said, maybe he's not yelling, Hey, I'm going

554
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:11.519
<v Speaker 6>to kill you, like a doctor trying to do something

555
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.680
<v Speaker 6>because somebody has just gone flatlined.

556
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, what would you call that? A loop or a

557
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:23.720
<v Speaker 2>scar scoop scar, an apparition that is like non intelligent. Yeah,

558
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>so that's that's another one. Yeah, And I think those

559
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 2>things are.

560
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Described quite often, probably the most often, I think. And

561
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:37.000
<v Speaker 3>then it's always related to a traumatic event. Tuberculos's hospital,

562
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:43.640
<v Speaker 3>a prison Edward Snowden guy Edward No, not Edward then

563
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:45.799
<v Speaker 3>gone Snood you know.

564
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:50.119
<v Speaker 2>We had his name, I can't remember. Raymond Snowden.

565
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 6>Raymond Raymond Snowden, otherwise known as Idaho's Jack the Ripper.

566
00:32:56.279 --> 00:33:02.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh, but I think that's the most popular one that happens,

567
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:06.079
<v Speaker 3>I think is like something terrible happened here and it's

568
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:10.160
<v Speaker 3>just on repeat, or that person's manifesting over and over again.

569
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.359
<v Speaker 2>I kind of think the most popular one is the

570
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of one you see on like Ghostbusters, which is

571
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.440
<v Speaker 2>more like people are trying to interact with some kind

572
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>of entity and they're talking to it like it's a

573
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:29.960
<v Speaker 2>disembodied spirit. But in my mind, I don't think it's

574
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>a disembodied spirit from like a human. I think it's

575
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>like a it's something else. It's a different kind of

576
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>entity that's basically mimicking a person. I think it's a counterfeit.

577
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:43.680
<v Speaker 3>I think it's Apple Ganger.

578
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think it's a total evil disembodied spirit. I

579
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.240
<v Speaker 2>think it's like the disembodied spirits of fallen angels or nuhling,

580
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.839
<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to call it. Right, and because they've

581
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.720
<v Speaker 2>been around for so long, they are able to mimic

582
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.720
<v Speaker 2>and know some of the information about people that were

583
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:04.799
<v Speaker 2>in that location. But I don't think they're actually that spirit.

584
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 2>I think they're I don't think they're the person.

585
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:13.920
<v Speaker 3>That die something they conjuring Annabelle the premise, I mean

586
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:15.239
<v Speaker 3>it ruins it for people. Whatever.

587
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm just trying my belief out there right now,

588
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:19.880
<v Speaker 2>and it probably shouldn't have because it shows my bias.

589
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:21.400
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, that's what I kind of think.

590
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're allowed to think.

591
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I know. Sometimes it's hard. I try, but I'm not

592
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:27.599
<v Speaker 2>very good at it.

593
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:28.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it's hard.

594
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.639
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, you got that right, and then you got

595
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:34.519
<v Speaker 2>a few other things like poltergeist.

596
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:47.360
<v Speaker 3>Which I would take back my looping thing to say.

597
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:53.599
<v Speaker 3>Poultergeist is the most common because it's the most easily mistaken,

598
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.239
<v Speaker 3>and if you're in a spooky place where you think

599
00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:03.079
<v Speaker 3>something traumatic happened, you might consciously hear this poltergeist and

600
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:06.239
<v Speaker 3>think of, oh, well, that must be this repeat of something.

601
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>So are poltergeist? I know you're could probably you know

602
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.199
<v Speaker 2>this better than me. Is a poltergeist one of those

603
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:16.760
<v Speaker 2>things where like there's a like energy or some kind

604
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:21.320
<v Speaker 2>of force that's attached to like a person that manifests

605
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.800
<v Speaker 2>in like different ways, But really it's kind of driven

606
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:28.840
<v Speaker 2>by the angst of like maybe a teenage girl or

607
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:30.679
<v Speaker 2>something like that. Is that a poltergeist?

608
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.039
<v Speaker 3>So that's like the typical scenario I think is like

609
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.480
<v Speaker 3>there's a teenage girl or a pubescent boy, or you know,

610
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.079
<v Speaker 3>some kind of angsty teen type scenario and they have

611
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:46.960
<v Speaker 3>all these scratching and banging and cabinets opening, but they're

612
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:50.639
<v Speaker 3>not physically coming after a person as like an entity.

613
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.320
<v Speaker 3>There's not like a figure that attacks people.

614
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.199
<v Speaker 2>So it's like an energy that's emanating from them that's

615
00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:58.280
<v Speaker 2>causing these different kinds of I think.

616
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.519
<v Speaker 3>Of things, well, I googled it earlier, remember, and poultern

617
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:09.639
<v Speaker 3>puln is German means like scratching or rumbling, and geist

618
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.320
<v Speaker 3>means like spirit or ghost. So you think of the

619
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:17.599
<v Speaker 3>movie Poltergeist and all those like figurines and the clown

620
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:20.800
<v Speaker 3>and everything comes to life. But it's not like a

621
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:25.400
<v Speaker 3>ghost is there. It's almost like this entity or this

622
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.159
<v Speaker 3>energy is possessing the house and an inanimate object like

623
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.000
<v Speaker 3>the clown that chokes the kid. Not like it's like

624
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.679
<v Speaker 3>a black figure in your hallway. It's lurking and sneaking

625
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:40.280
<v Speaker 3>up on you and stocking. But I think maybe I

626
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:44.320
<v Speaker 3>don't know about statistically, but I think the cases or

627
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:48.639
<v Speaker 3>whatever that come up the most are like pubescenteen type age.

628
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and a lot of girls, a lot of.

629
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Like emotion, the girls in our emotion, you know what

630
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying.

631
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>So okay, so now let's get into some of the

632
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.840
<v Speaker 2>other things that are you know, in the leaky buckets,

633
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.320
<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of stories of like young people

634
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:10.199
<v Speaker 2>that some of them have been clinically diagnosed as being

635
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.920
<v Speaker 2>schizophrenic or having some kind of emotional or psychological disorder,

636
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:19.559
<v Speaker 2>who see here and experience entities that tell them to

637
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.559
<v Speaker 2>do things or believe that they're doing something with And

638
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 2>this is very common with like people that have like

639
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:29.920
<v Speaker 2>a well, i'll just say, a sexual or romantic interaction

640
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.079
<v Speaker 2>with something that's invisible or that's not there, so people

641
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Speaker 2>will believe they are Actually this happens a lot with

642
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:44.239
<v Speaker 2>like alien abductions, where they are taken and they are

643
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:49.159
<v Speaker 2>molested or having some kind of sexual interaction with a

644
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:54.880
<v Speaker 2>different kind of creature, whether it's spiritual, demonic, alien, whatever

645
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.480
<v Speaker 2>it is, it's got that same kind of flavor to it.

646
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.639
<v Speaker 2>A lot of well, I know it's a good word,

647
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:04.400
<v Speaker 2>but you know, like I know one person who had

648
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:08.760
<v Speaker 2>a roommate who had basically was drawing all these images

649
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:15.199
<v Speaker 2>of somebody who represented herself in erotic passionate throes of passion.

650
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:21.039
<v Speaker 2>So with some kind of demonic, spiritual, serpentine kind of creature.

651
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:24.719
<v Speaker 3>That's not abnormal or anything. It's an incubus or a sucubist, right,

652
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:28.000
<v Speaker 3>And I can't remember what's feminine or masculine of the two.

653
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.719
<v Speaker 3>And I got a story, you want me to do it,

654
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.840
<v Speaker 3>so I'm not going to say names. Yeah, no names, fella,

655
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:40.400
<v Speaker 3>I know, we'll call him Godfrey. He lived in California

656
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:43.280
<v Speaker 3>and he was going with this girl, Gina.

657
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Gina.

658
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:50.199
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so Gina and Godfrey, I know where you go.

659
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 2>You told me this story. It's not funny, but those

660
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:54.519
<v Speaker 2>names are awful.

661
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you didn't. But Gena and Godfrey hook up

662
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 3>and they go to to Godfrey's apartment. They do their

663
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 3>evening activities. They go to bed on the blow up

664
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:10.679
<v Speaker 3>mattress or whatever it the apartment mattress I think, so yeah, okay,

665
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 3>mattress on the floor. Nonetheless, whatever it does. And Gina

666
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:22.599
<v Speaker 3>starts being physically abused, assaulted, but not by Godfrey, and

667
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:26.159
<v Speaker 3>he's kind of watching this, and Godfrey says basically that

668
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:33.280
<v Speaker 3>it appears that this Gina is being assaulted and ft

669
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:39.079
<v Speaker 3>in the a to quote by something that he can't see.

670
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:41.599
<v Speaker 2>Let's use the word sodomized.

671
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, sodomized by something he can't see. I just used

672
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.800
<v Speaker 3>to quote, you know. But that kind of goes on

673
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:52.119
<v Speaker 3>for a while, and they continue dating, but he's a

674
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:56.000
<v Speaker 3>little suspicious and kind of weirded out. It continues and continues,

675
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:59.480
<v Speaker 3>and she's got bruises on her body, like actual physical bruises.

676
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:02.480
<v Speaker 2>So wait me, let me try to clarify this. So basically,

677
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:07.960
<v Speaker 2>the girlfriend is having some kind of encounter with some

678
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:12.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of entity that is sodomizing her and leaving physical

679
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:16.000
<v Speaker 2>manifestations of that encounter, yes, on a regular basis, and.

680
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:17.039
<v Speaker 3>Bruises and stuff.

681
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, weird.

682
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.559
<v Speaker 3>And they call a priest, they call kinds of people,

683
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.519
<v Speaker 3>and finally he just kind of moves away, he.

684
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Has to get away from it.

685
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:23.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

686
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, it's really weird. I know of

687
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:32.119
<v Speaker 2>several people that have had those kind of encounters, mostly female,

688
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.239
<v Speaker 2>but at least one that I know of that's male.

689
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:36.880
<v Speaker 3>I think now that I'm repeating it, I think an

690
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:41.719
<v Speaker 3>incubus is a male that assaults females typically, and a

691
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.159
<v Speaker 3>succubus would be a female that kind of entices or

692
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:46.159
<v Speaker 3>assaults males.

693
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:51.440
<v Speaker 2>And they're sexual encounters in nature. Yeah, so those are

694
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:55.119
<v Speaker 2>weird because I mean you could basically throw everything into

695
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:59.320
<v Speaker 2>well they're having some kind of psychological disorder and throw

696
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:04.800
<v Speaker 2>it in that. The problem is there's like sometimes physical manifestations.

697
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:06.559
<v Speaker 3>Of that which he mentioned, And they went and saw

698
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.559
<v Speaker 3>doctors and priests to figure out these bruisings. And he

699
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:12.519
<v Speaker 3>said he was afraid because he would go to the

700
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.320
<v Speaker 3>store with her and she'd have bruises on her.

701
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Body and they think he did it.

702
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:18.440
<v Speaker 3>He was like, this is weird. I can't handle this.

703
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:21.800
<v Speaker 2>So you know, yeah, that's crazy. How do you explain

704
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.719
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff? So now you're getting dangerously close

705
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>to all these things where things get evil. You know,

706
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 2>it's all fun to go talk to your great grandfather

707
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.920
<v Speaker 2>who died and he's going to give you impart certain

708
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.320
<v Speaker 2>kinds of wisdom and help you in life. My thing

709
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:43.239
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned her, right, that's different than what we're talking

710
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:48.960
<v Speaker 2>about here, where these things are bad another and they're

711
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.119
<v Speaker 2>out to cause harm, and they're doing things that ought

712
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 2>not to be done.

713
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:53.440
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

714
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:57.159
<v Speaker 2>And unless that's your preference, and you know it's weird, Okay,

715
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:00.599
<v Speaker 2>So let's just do a little bit of side john here. Okay.

716
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>These are the things that happen when we talk about

717
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.960
<v Speaker 2>alien abduction. These are the things we talked about when

718
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.199
<v Speaker 2>we talked about the knuffle and leaving their estate and

719
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:14.679
<v Speaker 2>having relations with women and creating hybrid offspring. Right, it's

720
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:19.039
<v Speaker 2>like a common thread sex. Sex. Sex is a thing

721
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:23.360
<v Speaker 2>in these stories, in a lot of these stories. No, No,

722
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm just talking about these that we're talking about where

723
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:30.199
<v Speaker 2>things get dark and ugly and scary, they seem to

724
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of come into play.

725
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, you think though, in the more science bucket, about

726
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 3>what traumatic events might have taken place and what kind

727
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.880
<v Speaker 3>of quote unquote energies might be there, which is kind

728
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 3>of the murky water. So let's say a rapist or

729
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:51.199
<v Speaker 3>something like that, it's very traumatic killed somebody, and now

730
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.400
<v Speaker 3>his spirit after he got killed lurks there and he's

731
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.159
<v Speaker 3>a rapist ghost or something. Those kinds of things tend

732
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.679
<v Speaker 3>to be not conjured up lack of a better word,

733
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:05.880
<v Speaker 3>in those areas because you're thinking about it. Right, So

734
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:10.880
<v Speaker 3>maybe because that is like a very traumatic and terrible

735
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:16.000
<v Speaker 3>event for somebody, your consciousness as you're sitting there as

736
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:19.320
<v Speaker 3>a as a human normal human being, has that in

737
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.360
<v Speaker 3>its the back storage unit, and that just kind of

738
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:23.000
<v Speaker 3>leaks out.

739
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:26.079
<v Speaker 2>It bubbles up to the surface, and it manifests in different.

740
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:27.519
<v Speaker 3>Ways even if you're not thinking about it, but you

741
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.039
<v Speaker 3>see the dark figure in your brain just like there's

742
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:33.039
<v Speaker 3>that rapist and then you're like, oh, okay, we'll saw

743
00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:34.159
<v Speaker 3>a rapist in the shadows.

744
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about another because I think this is very

745
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:40.760
<v Speaker 2>closely related. You have this whole concept of sleep paralysis,

746
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.239
<v Speaker 2>and that's when and this is in the scientific bucket

747
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.920
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and that's when a person is having

748
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:51.719
<v Speaker 2>rim sleep, but for whatever reason, physically they wake up.

749
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 2>So they're still having a dream, which could be crazy

750
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.639
<v Speaker 2>like lucid dreaming, right, but they have sleep paralysis. They

751
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:03.400
<v Speaker 2>can't get up and move. It's very you know, people

752
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>describe it as very terrifying. It feels real. Normally, when

753
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:11.280
<v Speaker 2>you sleep and rim state, you don't remember most of

754
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:15.599
<v Speaker 2>the stuff you dream, and your body disconnects from your brain,

755
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:19.559
<v Speaker 2>so whatever's going on in your head, it doesn't you know,

756
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.280
<v Speaker 2>like if you're running in your dream, you're disconnected. Your

757
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:23.159
<v Speaker 2>body's not running.

758
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 3>It's not those dogs YouTube videos.

759
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:30.519
<v Speaker 2>They're running, yeah, and then they start running and like wamn,

760
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm into the wall.

761
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 3>Exactly awesome videos.

762
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.599
<v Speaker 2>So in sleep proalyss, what's going on is your mind's dreaming,

763
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:40.880
<v Speaker 2>but your body's awake. You're still not moving because you're frozen.

764
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:44.880
<v Speaker 2>You're disconnected, but you're aware that there's something really strained

765
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.119
<v Speaker 2>going on, which and it feels real.

766
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.199
<v Speaker 3>From a scientific perspective, it might be your body's natural

767
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:56.400
<v Speaker 3>reaction to keep you from hurting yourself. Because if you're

768
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.119
<v Speaker 3>having a nightmare about a mountain lion or a jaguar

769
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:02.519
<v Speaker 3>or a spe tiger chasing you in your primitive mind,

770
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 3>and then you get up and start sprinting and you

771
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:08.400
<v Speaker 3>hit the wall or the mirror or the window, and

772
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:11.480
<v Speaker 3>you fall and you die. Yeah, your body's just protecting you.

773
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 3>Put the car in neutral and red the engine, which.

774
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Kind of reminds me. So I talked to a person

775
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna call him Ezekiel, and he's got a story

776
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:24.440
<v Speaker 2>about the sleep paralysis or night terrors where people wake

777
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:27.679
<v Speaker 2>up and their body is actually moving but their mind's

778
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:31.679
<v Speaker 2>still asleep. Oh so yeah, and he kind of marries

779
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the idea of some kind of demonic entity that is

780
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:40.159
<v Speaker 2>impacting a person that he loves while they're asleep. So

781
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:42.679
<v Speaker 2>here's that story.

782
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:48.039
<v Speaker 11>So when my wife and I first got married, we

783
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:50.920
<v Speaker 11>bought a house and brand new couple. We were very young,

784
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 11>bought this house. It need a lot of work, and

785
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.199
<v Speaker 11>we lived in the basement of the household. We were

786
00:45:56.199 --> 00:45:58.360
<v Speaker 11>preparing the top level of the house for us to

787
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.679
<v Speaker 11>live in, and every night it seemed that there would

788
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.880
<v Speaker 11>be something running across the floor in my in my house,

789
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:06.440
<v Speaker 11>and it sounded like footsteps.

790
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.719
<v Speaker 12>And at first I thought it was the neighbor girl

791
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:10.320
<v Speaker 12>next door.

792
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:13.320
<v Speaker 11>She didn't have any boundaries, and she would come in

793
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:15.800
<v Speaker 11>at random times, and we had stuff that would go

794
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:19.079
<v Speaker 11>missing and it would end up in her backyard, and

795
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:21.119
<v Speaker 11>so I thought, oh, it's got to be the neighbor girl.

796
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.519
<v Speaker 11>But then it started getting in weird, weird hours, like

797
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:26.039
<v Speaker 11>two in the morning, and I'd run upstairs and there

798
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:29.159
<v Speaker 11>would be anybody there. The doorsoul all be locked. Like

799
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.840
<v Speaker 11>I remember one time I ran upstairs and I had

800
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:34.039
<v Speaker 11>my gun, because at that point in time, I thought

801
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.119
<v Speaker 11>that was the way to solve problems. Yeah, and I'm

802
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.679
<v Speaker 11>running around naked on the top level of my house.

803
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:40.880
<v Speaker 12>Forgot that the.

804
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:43.719
<v Speaker 11>Window curtains were open, and I'm sure my neighbors flashing

805
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:44.840
<v Speaker 11>the neighbors, Yeah.

806
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:51.119
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, flashing them both both my piece and my gun lineral, yes, exactly.

807
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:54.840
<v Speaker 11>But that that happened quite a bit until we moved

808
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:58.360
<v Speaker 11>into that main level of the house and my daughter

809
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 11>started to have nightmare. We had only one child at

810
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:03.679
<v Speaker 11>that point in time, and she was sleeping in that

811
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:05.400
<v Speaker 11>same room that we would hear the.

812
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:08.679
<v Speaker 12>Footsteps coming from. And she would wake up in the

813
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:09.440
<v Speaker 12>middle of the night.

814
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:15.360
<v Speaker 11>Just screaming, like thrashing, flailing around, and she would be awake,

815
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:18.840
<v Speaker 11>but not awake like you could her eyes were open,

816
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.360
<v Speaker 11>but you could see that there was there's nothing going on,

817
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:25.000
<v Speaker 11>and it would take fifteen to sometimes even an hour

818
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:27.320
<v Speaker 11>to get her to calm down where she would finally

819
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:29.559
<v Speaker 11>fall back to sleep. And I thought, this is really

820
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:32.159
<v Speaker 11>strange because it didn't start happening until we moved her

821
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:34.880
<v Speaker 11>in that room, and it could be moving rooms, or

822
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:38.519
<v Speaker 11>it could be something else. And a friend will call

823
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:42.360
<v Speaker 11>on D. He came over one night and it was

824
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:45.280
<v Speaker 11>a strangest thing. Me and another friend of mine were

825
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.000
<v Speaker 11>they're talking with him, and all of a sudden, D

826
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:52.280
<v Speaker 11>starts just doing these weird voices like you need to

827
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:55.360
<v Speaker 11>see in movies when when people manifest demons, like if

828
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.320
<v Speaker 11>they're possessed, Yeah, they're possessed, and they start talking in

829
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:02.039
<v Speaker 11>strange voices, speaking if there's somebody else calling themselves a

830
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:02.639
<v Speaker 11>different name.

831
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:06.920
<v Speaker 12>And he starts doing this and going, Okay, well, who

832
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 12>are you? What's going on? He says, I'm Anthony, and

833
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:13.119
<v Speaker 12>just like this really weird stuff. He's no, this wasn't

834
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.119
<v Speaker 12>his name at all. Is this a demon?

835
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:15.440
<v Speaker 6>Like?

836
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:19.159
<v Speaker 12>Are we talking demonic stuff here? And so I heard stories.

837
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.480
<v Speaker 11>My parents had worked in a missions organization when I

838
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.320
<v Speaker 11>was younger, and they told me stories.

839
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:25.239
<v Speaker 12>About casting out demons.

840
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.239
<v Speaker 11>So growing up I always had this kind of like

841
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.119
<v Speaker 11>there's demonic stuff out there.

842
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.760
<v Speaker 12>Since this story, I've seen a lot more of that.

843
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:36.280
<v Speaker 11>But going back to this one specific time, he started

844
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:39.760
<v Speaker 11>kind of manifesting or acting like he was possessed, and

845
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:41.679
<v Speaker 11>so my buddy and I that were there, we just

846
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.760
<v Speaker 11>started praying, you know, and and in Jesus name, get

847
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:46.800
<v Speaker 11>out of here, and and.

848
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:48.000
<v Speaker 12>It was it was like night and day.

849
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.400
<v Speaker 11>He kind of slumped down onto the floor and then

850
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:53.840
<v Speaker 11>woke up and he went what happened?

851
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 3>Create?

852
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:59.159
<v Speaker 11>It was just like completely something completely shifted. And we

853
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:01.639
<v Speaker 11>prayed with them and chatted with them, and then he

854
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.719
<v Speaker 11>ended up going home. And my buddy that was there

855
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:08.400
<v Speaker 11>with me, I went, you know what, my daughter's been

856
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:11.400
<v Speaker 11>having these bad dreams like this, this kind of night

857
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.679
<v Speaker 11>terror stuff. And she had she had been out of town,

858
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:15.719
<v Speaker 11>I think, with my wife somewhere. So we were like, well,

859
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:16.840
<v Speaker 11>let's go create in the room.

860
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:19.360
<v Speaker 12>So we go in. We take like you know, this

861
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:19.960
<v Speaker 12>may sound.

862
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:21.320
<v Speaker 11>Weird, we take a little bit of oil, like we're

863
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.559
<v Speaker 11>gonna annoint the doors, right, and then we start praying

864
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:27.519
<v Speaker 11>in the name of Jesus, leave this house. You're not

865
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.519
<v Speaker 11>welcome here, to go, go, go. And I just felt

866
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:33.400
<v Speaker 11>like we're supposed to open the doors this door of

867
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:35.519
<v Speaker 11>the house, yeah, the front door of the house. So

868
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.480
<v Speaker 11>the door of the bedroom was open, and then the

869
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:39.159
<v Speaker 11>front door of the house, and I felt like, we

870
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:40.360
<v Speaker 11>need to open this front door.

871
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:41.639
<v Speaker 12>We got we got to get it open.

872
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 11>So we opened up the front door and last time,

873
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:48.000
<v Speaker 11>get out of here in Jesus name, and both my

874
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:51.880
<v Speaker 11>buddy and I feel this cold wind. And it wasn't

875
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:54.320
<v Speaker 11>that the door had been opened for long enough that

876
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 11>it wasn't some type of a draft. We didn't have

877
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:00.719
<v Speaker 11>air conditioning, and it wasn't even a day it was.

878
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:04.159
<v Speaker 2>So the wind started up after the door was open, yeah,

879
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:06.440
<v Speaker 2>and after you commanded this to leave.

880
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:09.280
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, And then there's this cold wind that goes by

881
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:11.719
<v Speaker 11>me and then goes by my buddy and then goes

882
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:12.320
<v Speaker 11>out the door.

883
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:13.480
<v Speaker 3>Weird.

884
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:16.960
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, and I thought that was really strange. It felt

885
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.280
<v Speaker 11>strange because it was just a weird.

886
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:19.880
<v Speaker 12>Kind of like gust.

887
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:23.000
<v Speaker 11>And then my daughter never had night terrors from that

888
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:25.960
<v Speaker 11>point on. From there, from then on, the house that

889
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.320
<v Speaker 11>that house was the house, just a house. There was

890
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.119
<v Speaker 11>There was no other night terrors that she had, and

891
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:34.320
<v Speaker 11>that that's the only thing I can explain, is that

892
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 11>there was something in there that was tormenting her.

893
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:42.719
<v Speaker 12>Principel something like that. Yeah, that's crazy.

894
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:49.760
<v Speaker 2>That was a really interesting story, and it kind of

895
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:54.639
<v Speaker 2>reminded me of your sister Demon No no, No. Amber

896
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.880
<v Speaker 2>used to have night terrors. She would wake up and

897
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:01.320
<v Speaker 2>it was creepy because we'd hear these little footsteps, you know,

898
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:03.239
<v Speaker 2>when she was like seven or eight, I don't know,

899
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:05.639
<v Speaker 2>and we go out in the hallway and she'd be

900
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:08.000
<v Speaker 2>standing in the hallway and pointing at things on the

901
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:11.760
<v Speaker 2>walls or whatever and just like terrified. But then we

902
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:13.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of have to coax her back to her bedroom

903
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.039
<v Speaker 2>and put her in bed, and she'd be asleep and

904
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:18.320
<v Speaker 2>then she'd wake up, but she wouldn't remember any of them.

905
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's weird.

906
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really weird.

907
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:23.920
<v Speaker 3>I heard a story about my cousin and he fell

908
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:26.239
<v Speaker 3>asleep on the couch. He was young and uh maybe

909
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:30.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, six seven something, but he fell asleep

910
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.280
<v Speaker 3>on the couch and dad, being a good dad, goes

911
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.079
<v Speaker 3>to pick him up and take him to his room

912
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.840
<v Speaker 3>to go to bed. Yeah, and he's walking down the

913
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:44.119
<v Speaker 3>hallway and randomly, cousin of mine just goes ah like

914
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:50.760
<v Speaker 3>scrowls and gnashing teeth and claws like a grip, looking angry,

915
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.039
<v Speaker 3>you looking fists, and then goes back to sleep. And

916
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:56.760
<v Speaker 3>it was like, whoa easy buddy, you were there or

917
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:58.880
<v Speaker 3>was that I wasn't there. I just heard the story once.

918
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:01.559
<v Speaker 2>So the dad I saw that dad.

919
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Was carrying him and then then the kid had this reaction.

920
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:07.119
<v Speaker 3>It could be any number of things.

921
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's weird. That is creepy. So we're talking

922
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:15.079
<v Speaker 2>about you know, dreams and dream states and stuff. There

923
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:17.079
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of and you could go into the

924
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:19.719
<v Speaker 2>religious realm of this, or you could go into you know,

925
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:25.320
<v Speaker 2>just stories that people tell of encounters with spirits or

926
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 2>ghosts or people that they knew before they passed away

927
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:34.199
<v Speaker 2>that are interacting in their dreams and helping them or

928
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.000
<v Speaker 2>guiding them in their dreams or giving them some kind

929
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:40.679
<v Speaker 2>of information. And so that's another aspect of this that's

930
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:44.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of interesting. It's not possession or evil. It's more

931
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:46.880
<v Speaker 2>of like, I don't know, it's like they show up,

932
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:49.559
<v Speaker 2>like family members or somebody who love shows up and

933
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:51.159
<v Speaker 2>actually helps you through something.

934
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:51.760
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

935
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:54.920
<v Speaker 2>And then you also have things that happen in life

936
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.880
<v Speaker 2>where you see something that you associate it with somebody

937
00:52:57.880 --> 00:52:58.679
<v Speaker 2>that passed away.

938
00:52:58.880 --> 00:52:59.079
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

939
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:03.639
<v Speaker 2>Like my brother, he always associates like when he finds

940
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:07.599
<v Speaker 2>money on the ground, especially quarters, he'll think, oh, that's

941
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.639
<v Speaker 2>that's you know my dad. Yeah, because his dad would

942
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:13.599
<v Speaker 2>give him quarters, and usually when he was like struggling

943
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.360
<v Speaker 2>with something personal in his life, there'd be a quarter

944
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:18.760
<v Speaker 2>that would just show up, and he would associate that

945
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:20.960
<v Speaker 2>with you know, that's like my dad saying it's going

946
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:23.440
<v Speaker 2>to be okay, yeah, or something I have you know

947
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:28.000
<v Speaker 2>a personal story with that. During my wedding, yeah, that

948
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:30.400
<v Speaker 2>what they call it, Yeah, the party part. Yeah, after

949
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the wedding, after the wedding, after.

950
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Reception, Yeah, that thing. The uncle came up and said, hey,

951
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:39.400
<v Speaker 3>I saw this under your chair, and I've always associated

952
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.000
<v Speaker 3>it with my dad kind of thing.

953
00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:42.079
<v Speaker 2>There's a quartern.

954
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:45.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so onceidents or not, it meant a lot.

955
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It was like your grandpa saying, hey, you know,

956
00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:51.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm here and I approve some good works. Yeah yeah,

957
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:53.760
<v Speaker 2>slap on the booty. Yeah, so that's kind of cool.

958
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:56.320
<v Speaker 2>That's another kind of manifestation of these things that we're

959
00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:57.000
<v Speaker 2>talking about.

960
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:00.679
<v Speaker 3>I mean that one's very common, I think. Yeah, probably

961
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:02.320
<v Speaker 3>confirmation biased.

962
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:06.519
<v Speaker 2>You could totally explain that scientifically, because you're you're biased

963
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:08.480
<v Speaker 2>to explain it that way.

964
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but there's also a meaning to it, and nobody

965
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:17.039
<v Speaker 3>can explain what something means to you based on science. Yeah,

966
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:21.320
<v Speaker 3>there's no formula for your own cognitive I mean there's

967
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.079
<v Speaker 3>there's theories and stuff, but nobody can dissect your brain

968
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:25.480
<v Speaker 3>tell you exactly what you're.

969
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Feeling where you associate other than you. So one of

970
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:30.199
<v Speaker 2>the things that we haven't talked about is the whole

971
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:34.880
<v Speaker 2>idea of like people visiting you in visions with some

972
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:39.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of paranormal or extra kinds of information. So a

973
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:42.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of people like go to like a spiritist or

974
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:46.079
<v Speaker 2>a diviner or a necromancer to get information from people

975
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:48.920
<v Speaker 2>that have passed on. And these are like people that

976
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:51.960
<v Speaker 2>are intermediaries that are supposed to, you know, through a

977
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.639
<v Speaker 2>sance or whatever that's supposed to be able to communicate

978
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:58.239
<v Speaker 2>with the dead and pass on information like a medium. Yeah,

979
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.199
<v Speaker 2>and we've seen those kind of things and countless movies

980
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:02.360
<v Speaker 2>or TV episodes.

981
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:04.400
<v Speaker 3>It's the same stuff ever worked.

982
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:10.280
<v Speaker 5>Oh mind, but it will today, dude.

983
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:14.239
<v Speaker 2>But that stuff is still very popular. People will go

984
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:18.760
<v Speaker 2>to get some kind of fortune telling or some kind

985
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.800
<v Speaker 2>of person that can contact the dead and give information

986
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:24.519
<v Speaker 2>because they feel like they need it.

987
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:26.800
<v Speaker 3>A grandma, Are you proud of me? Right?

988
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Which is different than you know. I saw quarter

989
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:33.079
<v Speaker 2>and it reminded me of my grandpa.

990
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:35.559
<v Speaker 3>So I think I can make a quick distinction between

991
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:39.880
<v Speaker 3>the two. Okay, Shortly after my grandma passed away, I

992
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:42.800
<v Speaker 3>was at my mother in law's work to pick up

993
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.760
<v Speaker 3>my son. Not a place I would ever go ever,

994
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:48.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, I never been there since. I've never been

995
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:49.519
<v Speaker 3>there before. I've been there one time.

996
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:50.719
<v Speaker 2>It's not your normal place.

997
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:53.199
<v Speaker 3>So I pick up my son and she's like, hey,

998
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:57.119
<v Speaker 3>you should meet Karen, you should meet Lloyd. You know, hey, guys,

999
00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:59.320
<v Speaker 3>listen to the dad to the kid that's been here

1000
00:55:59.360 --> 00:55:59.719
<v Speaker 3>all day.

1001
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:01.119
<v Speaker 2>And then out of.

1002
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:05.480
<v Speaker 3>The peripheral upper corner of my vision, I thought I

1003
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:07.440
<v Speaker 3>saw my grandma standing there.

1004
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:08.159
<v Speaker 2>Who had just died.

1005
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:11.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it wasn't like a like a person that

1006
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:15.400
<v Speaker 3>was a random person walking by. It was very clearly

1007
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:18.679
<v Speaker 3>in my brain my grandma. Like just the familiarity was

1008
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 3>so obvious to me. And then look up, nobody's there.

1009
00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Maybe somebody had walked by, and my brain filled in

1010
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:29.440
<v Speaker 3>a gap, which is where it becomes a murky thing. Yeah,

1011
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.679
<v Speaker 3>maybe your your grandma walked by, it your mother in

1012
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:36.199
<v Speaker 3>law's work. That would It doesn't make any sense, so

1013
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.360
<v Speaker 3>it's probably my brain filling in a gap, or.

1014
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Or somebody you saw a trait that you kind.

1015
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:46.679
<v Speaker 3>Of recognize, a floral sweater and a skirt or whatever,

1016
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:50.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, some genes, some sketchers and a floral sweater.

1017
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:54.800
<v Speaker 3>What a very typical grandma outfit. And then my brain

1018
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:57.920
<v Speaker 3>saw that peripherally and then filled in all the gaps

1019
00:56:57.960 --> 00:56:59.519
<v Speaker 3>because of the morning process.

1020
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Did you have her?

1021
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:03.679
<v Speaker 3>And I think in that time I was pretty depressed

1022
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:06.880
<v Speaker 3>because we had like back to back to back funerals

1023
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:10.159
<v Speaker 3>and yeah, it was all messed up and it was

1024
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:13.559
<v Speaker 3>very uncomfortable for me. So that kind of happens in life.

1025
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:19.079
<v Speaker 3>I think people will see something peripherally, especially, and it'll

1026
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.639
<v Speaker 3>just you know, make bridges. You're neurons, synaps or whatever

1027
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:27.960
<v Speaker 3>they call it, and you're like floral sweater knitting Grandma Wanda,

1028
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 3>you know. And then you're at that point without even

1029
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:35.159
<v Speaker 3>thinking about it. But in my brain I was like,

1030
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:38.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, like tough yard. I had to like pause

1031
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:41.239
<v Speaker 3>for a second and say, I'm sorry, I just got distracted.

1032
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:43.880
<v Speaker 3>What were you saying? You know, I had to recover

1033
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:47.199
<v Speaker 3>from this thing that happened. But I think that's where

1034
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:49.239
<v Speaker 3>a lot of ghost stories might come from. And same

1035
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:52.400
<v Speaker 3>with dreams. I've mentioned before a dream that I had,

1036
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:56.719
<v Speaker 3>I think where my grandpa, who had recently passed, was

1037
00:57:56.760 --> 00:57:59.760
<v Speaker 3>out in the backyard of his house picking up sticks

1038
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:03.000
<v Speaker 3>with me. Yeah, and we were picking up sticks and

1039
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:05.480
<v Speaker 3>he walks off into the fog, chasing the stick that

1040
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.719
<v Speaker 3>grew legs and ran away. But it's like my brain

1041
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:12.039
<v Speaker 3>is filling in gaps, probably while I'm sleeping, based on

1042
00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:16.599
<v Speaker 3>my external input, and then my brain's like, well, you know,

1043
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:19.440
<v Speaker 3>let's think about that. You're dwelling on it, let's project

1044
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:20.199
<v Speaker 3>it in your brain.

1045
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, It's like your subconscious mind is communicating some kind

1046
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.559
<v Speaker 2>of information that maybe you don't understand why, but it's

1047
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.239
<v Speaker 2>it's working things out way. All of these things kind

1048
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:35.079
<v Speaker 2>of married together in this whole realm of supernatural and entities.

1049
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Let's try to like simplify and boil this down again.

1050
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:43.159
<v Speaker 2>So the possibilities are we have disembodied spirits from humans

1051
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:47.000
<v Speaker 2>that lived that are stuck or are trying to communicate.

1052
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:50.159
<v Speaker 2>They can do that in real life kind of things

1053
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:53.079
<v Speaker 2>like oh, you know, they show up sitting on your

1054
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:56.360
<v Speaker 2>bed or talk to them, and they pass through your

1055
00:58:56.400 --> 00:59:01.400
<v Speaker 2>house and somehow communicate something to you and then they're talking.

1056
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:02.840
<v Speaker 3>With your ancestor, right, kind of thing.

1057
00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:07.280
<v Speaker 2>So you have that, or you have these are demonic

1058
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:11.199
<v Speaker 2>evil spirits or at best something that's just kind of

1059
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:14.639
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily good or bad, but some kind of other

1060
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:17.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of creature into.

1061
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Tea another dimension, right right, that.

1062
00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Is somehow able to project into our reality and communicate

1063
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:28.119
<v Speaker 2>or try to communicate. And I guess that information that

1064
00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:32.000
<v Speaker 2>they communicate could be evil bad, or it could be benign,

1065
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:35.119
<v Speaker 2>or it could be good. So there's that. It's a

1066
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:38.239
<v Speaker 2>it's another kind of creature. So in there you would

1067
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:43.360
<v Speaker 2>have demons, evil stuff, angels, whatever. Then you have psychoses,

1068
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:48.679
<v Speaker 2>which are totally explained by some kind of natural physiological

1069
00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of condition where a disability or some kind of

1070
00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:57.239
<v Speaker 2>psychological disorder, depression. And then you have things where people

1071
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:02.039
<v Speaker 2>are experiencing something that's maybe there brain is helping them,

1072
01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, make connections and explaining things, but really isn't

1073
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:11.559
<v Speaker 2>anything supernatural. It's just it's just your mind connecting the dots, right.

1074
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.760
<v Speaker 2>So you have that, then you have like sleep disorders

1075
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:19.920
<v Speaker 2>or visions where things are happening not in your conscious

1076
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:23.199
<v Speaker 2>mind but your subconscious mind while you're asleep or in

1077
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:26.159
<v Speaker 2>some other altered state. So I'm trying to think of

1078
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:26.920
<v Speaker 2>any others.

1079
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:29.639
<v Speaker 3>These all kind of skipped over.

1080
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Poltergeist, Yeah, that's another poltergeist. And also the hauntings of

1081
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:37.119
<v Speaker 2>things caught in a loop, which would be a physical

1082
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:38.480
<v Speaker 2>realm kind of.

1083
01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:43.639
<v Speaker 3>Repeat repeat a traumatic event in time in time continuum.

1084
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:47.960
<v Speaker 2>That's that's skipping and it's just replaying. We also kind

1085
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:50.360
<v Speaker 2>of skipped over the whole idea of you know, different

1086
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:53.679
<v Speaker 2>kinds of beings that are actually different created creatures that

1087
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.079
<v Speaker 2>are trying to interact with this.

1088
01:00:56.039 --> 01:01:00.760
<v Speaker 3>World, which is kind of the malevolent, nefarious you mentioned

1089
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:01.320
<v Speaker 3>that earlier.

1090
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we also have with that we have aliens, yeah,

1091
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:11.079
<v Speaker 2>or you know whatever, demons, demons that are kind of transdimensional,

1092
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:15.760
<v Speaker 2>multi dimensional beings. That's a possibility, and we have you know,

1093
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:18.199
<v Speaker 2>like the atheist would say that, no, this is all

1094
01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:21.400
<v Speaker 2>made up stuff that we are because of our bias

1095
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:24.599
<v Speaker 2>and because of our religious upbringing, we are making these

1096
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:27.800
<v Speaker 2>things up in our head. I don't really know which

1097
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.880
<v Speaker 2>one to believe. I know my bias, but he said,

1098
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:34.840
<v Speaker 2>the atheists, well, yeah, I mean people have no religious

1099
01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:38.599
<v Speaker 2>belief you know. There they would say that, you know,

1100
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:43.159
<v Speaker 2>because of our religious upbringing, we have these preconceived ideas

1101
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.519
<v Speaker 2>of what you know, evil is or the devil is

1102
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:51.679
<v Speaker 2>and whatever, right, and because of that, our bias automatically

1103
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:54.719
<v Speaker 2>puts things in those buckets. And when we're trying to

1104
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:58.119
<v Speaker 2>explain something that we can't explain, we just dip into

1105
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:01.599
<v Speaker 2>that bucket. It's mysticism, right, you know, in my mind

1106
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:04.239
<v Speaker 2>because I am I hate to say the word religious,

1107
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:08.280
<v Speaker 2>but because I'm a spiritual I'm spiritual. I you know,

1108
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I kind of lean towards other entity creatures that manifest

1109
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:16.199
<v Speaker 2>in this world. And I don't know if they're all

1110
01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:19.400
<v Speaker 2>necessarily evil, but I think a lot of the things

1111
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I hear from people that experience these kinds of interactions.

1112
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:24.840
<v Speaker 2>They are not good.

1113
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a lot of times they're not.

1114
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:30.159
<v Speaker 2>And so I would say I would classify them as

1115
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:33.079
<v Speaker 2>if they are those kind of creatures, then they are

1116
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:36.239
<v Speaker 2>evil because they want to do harm.

1117
01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:39.599
<v Speaker 3>Right, what's your thoughts. I don't know for sure, but

1118
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:42.559
<v Speaker 3>I've had one thing that happened that scared me. It's

1119
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:46.000
<v Speaker 3>probably scientifically explained somehow, And I think I mentioned it before,

1120
01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:50.519
<v Speaker 3>where the CDs violently flew off of my player, my

1121
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:54.639
<v Speaker 3>boombox or whatever. And that was weird. And that's the

1122
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:57.840
<v Speaker 3>only time I remember being like, there's a ghost in here.

1123
01:02:58.039 --> 01:02:59.760
<v Speaker 3>That was a weird And that was at a house

1124
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:01.000
<v Speaker 3>where a guy hung himself.

1125
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:02.719
<v Speaker 2>He hung himself in the basement. We didn't tell And

1126
01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:04.840
<v Speaker 2>that's where your sister was having night terrors?

1127
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Was it really? Yeah, that's crazy.

1128
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:07.760
<v Speaker 2>It is weird.

1129
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:10.760
<v Speaker 3>So there's like a little bit of weirdness to that.

1130
01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:12.679
<v Speaker 3>And I didn't know the guy had hung himself at

1131
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:14.760
<v Speaker 3>that point. I don't think. I think you told us that,

1132
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.239
<v Speaker 3>like when we moved out, like that day, You're like,

1133
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:19.519
<v Speaker 3>so here's what I've been waiting to tell you, guys.

1134
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.719
<v Speaker 3>I've had weird things. I remember once we lived by

1135
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:26.119
<v Speaker 3>a canal and I went on a long bike ride.

1136
01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:29.320
<v Speaker 3>You're on this canal, and I remember feeling like something

1137
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:32.360
<v Speaker 3>was coming after me, a little bit, like like it

1138
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:36.199
<v Speaker 3>was I just felt off bad. I was with my

1139
01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:39.360
<v Speaker 3>cousin at the time, and there's this giant tree at

1140
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:42.400
<v Speaker 3>the kind of corner of the lot by the canal,

1141
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:45.440
<v Speaker 3>and it's quite a bit of ways from the house

1142
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:47.840
<v Speaker 3>we lived in at the time, but and that tree

1143
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:50.639
<v Speaker 3>just would not get closer, and I felt like I

1144
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:51.880
<v Speaker 3>had been peddling forever.

1145
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.000
<v Speaker 2>You couldn't quite get to it, and I couldn't get.

1146
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:56.199
<v Speaker 3>To the tree. And finally I did, but I felt

1147
01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:58.159
<v Speaker 3>like something was behind me, like it was trying to

1148
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:01.440
<v Speaker 3>get me. And then the tree would not get closer.

1149
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:03.280
<v Speaker 3>And that was a weird experience that sticks out.

1150
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I had a really you know, that same house down

1151
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:10.440
<v Speaker 2>from where that tree was. I think I've even explained

1152
01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:14.239
<v Speaker 2>it on the podcast before. I had a dream or

1153
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:17.519
<v Speaker 2>vision or experience where all of us were in that

1154
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:21.519
<v Speaker 2>house and there was some kind of evil presence that

1155
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:23.559
<v Speaker 2>came into the house when I came in, and there

1156
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:29.079
<v Speaker 2>was like this dull, throbbing drone and I fell to

1157
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:31.360
<v Speaker 2>the ground and it was like there was one thousand

1158
01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:34.800
<v Speaker 2>pounds on me, all over my body. I couldn't move,

1159
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.599
<v Speaker 2>a sleep paralysis, frozen to the floor, and all I

1160
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:40.519
<v Speaker 2>could do was look over and I could see your mom.

1161
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:43.760
<v Speaker 2>She was frozen to the floor, and Amber, your sister

1162
01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:46.239
<v Speaker 2>was frozen to the floor. And you were frozen to

1163
01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:49.840
<v Speaker 2>the floor. And it was like there's an evil presence here.

1164
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:54.199
<v Speaker 2>And I couldn't move, I couldn't do anything. And eventually I,

1165
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:56.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, I had the presence of mind and say, no,

1166
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.159
<v Speaker 2>you have no authority over me. You cannot be here.

1167
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:09.000
<v Speaker 2>My gondolf storm grow. Yeah, it was like that. And

1168
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:12.159
<v Speaker 2>I said that, and immediately the drone stopped and we

1169
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:13.039
<v Speaker 2>were able to get up.

1170
01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:15.840
<v Speaker 3>So that story freaked me out. Yeah, you told me

1171
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:18.239
<v Speaker 3>that I was probably too young to hear anything like that.

1172
01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:20.840
<v Speaker 3>But we were living at the other house that we

1173
01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:25.920
<v Speaker 3>lived in that same town, Yeah, and Bitterroot, and they

1174
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:29.920
<v Speaker 3>were redoing the road and one of those big pavement

1175
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:33.679
<v Speaker 3>roller things came by and I was home. I had

1176
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:37.440
<v Speaker 3>a fever. Do you remember this. We had our floors

1177
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:40.960
<v Speaker 3>because I flooded the house. I didn't do it on purpose.

1178
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:42.719
<v Speaker 3>It was like a weird fluke thing, but it was

1179
01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:45.559
<v Speaker 3>my fault, and I flooded the house. We had all

1180
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:47.880
<v Speaker 3>the floors up, so and I had a fever and

1181
01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:50.760
<v Speaker 3>I stayed home. I'm home by myself, and all of

1182
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:55.119
<v Speaker 3>a sudden, the whole place is everything's shaken. Pictures are

1183
01:05:55.159 --> 01:05:59.239
<v Speaker 3>falling off the wall, and everything's like uneven because it's

1184
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:02.880
<v Speaker 3>just sub floor. And I'm like, oh my gosh, this

1185
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:03.880
<v Speaker 3>is what Dad just.

1186
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Told me about.

1187
01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:07.760
<v Speaker 3>Did I have a fever? So my brain's a little

1188
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:11.280
<v Speaker 3>messed up. It was one of those those rollers, and

1189
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:14.119
<v Speaker 3>I thought for sure shit was going down.

1190
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:15.280
<v Speaker 2>The devil was there.

1191
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:18.960
<v Speaker 3>It was a rapture, fire was going to come out

1192
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:20.199
<v Speaker 3>of a sewer or something.

1193
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know it well. You know, it's kind of

1194
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:27.280
<v Speaker 2>cool because from a religious aspect, because I am a

1195
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:30.280
<v Speaker 2>spiritual person, right and I have a believe set. It's

1196
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:33.719
<v Speaker 2>like it does give me a different perspective that kind

1197
01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:37.320
<v Speaker 2>of helps me not be overly afraid. You know, we

1198
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:40.280
<v Speaker 2>go bigfoot hunting or if we're looking for aliens or

1199
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:43.440
<v Speaker 2>for out you know, trying to find ghosts or whatever,

1200
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:48.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't have like terror. It's like maybe I feel

1201
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:51.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of like I've got protection. Maybe I'm stupid, but

1202
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:54.119
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't quite bug me as much as I think

1203
01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:58.440
<v Speaker 2>it does some people. And I really believe in the

1204
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:03.440
<v Speaker 2>spiritual realm, and because of that, I tend to have

1205
01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:07.239
<v Speaker 2>those kind of goggles on when I think about ghosts

1206
01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:12.800
<v Speaker 2>or entities or even demons or aliens or bigfoot whatever.

1207
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:16.440
<v Speaker 2>I can't help it. I mean, they're on, and so

1208
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I think of them through those lenses. And it's really

1209
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:23.079
<v Speaker 2>nice to not be totally afraid and to be able

1210
01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:25.159
<v Speaker 2>to go out and check some of these things out,

1211
01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:27.880
<v Speaker 2>because some of the things are If I didn't have,

1212
01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:31.559
<v Speaker 2>that would be terrifying. I mean, the whole idea of

1213
01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:35.079
<v Speaker 2>like these demons that could tear up my life, that

1214
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:39.519
<v Speaker 2>are after my soul and my destruction, my eternal destruction.

1215
01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a terrifying thought if you don't have

1216
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:45.559
<v Speaker 2>any kind of you know, armor or buffer to prevent

1217
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:48.880
<v Speaker 2>that from taking place. And I definitely wouldn't want to

1218
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:53.840
<v Speaker 2>be out, you know, tempting fate with these entities or creatures.

1219
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:56.599
<v Speaker 2>If that didn't exist, I would.

1220
01:07:56.280 --> 01:08:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Say, like when we're quote unquote bigfoot hunting or you know,

1221
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:03.320
<v Speaker 3>walking around in the dark in the woods and kind

1222
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:07.920
<v Speaker 3>of putting ourselves in some kind of proscrictious situations. Yeah,

1223
01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:10.920
<v Speaker 3>for sure, I'm a little more afraid of maybe like

1224
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:16.399
<v Speaker 3>bumping a badger while spooking a bear up or mountain

1225
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:19.520
<v Speaker 3>lion or something that I am of an actual bigfoot

1226
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:23.720
<v Speaker 3>coming after, which might be my demise. But yeah, it

1227
01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:27.159
<v Speaker 3>doesn't scare me so much. Then maybe it's ignorance, and

1228
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.560
<v Speaker 3>maybe it is a biological animal monkey. But yeah, I mean,

1229
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:33.119
<v Speaker 3>if it was, I wouldn't be as afraid as I

1230
01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:35.840
<v Speaker 3>would be awestruck. I might shoot it.

1231
01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:40.520
<v Speaker 2>But out of defense, only defense and fame. Well, anyway,

1232
01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:43.279
<v Speaker 2>I think we pretty much beat this dead horse with

1233
01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:44.399
<v Speaker 2>a rubber stick.

1234
01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:47.920
<v Speaker 3>So give me your your total conclusion of ghosts, Like

1235
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:50.880
<v Speaker 3>if you had to sum up, Hey, Mike, what's ghosts?

1236
01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:53.800
<v Speaker 2>You know? I don't know. I don't know. I do

1237
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:58.000
<v Speaker 2>know that from my let's say, religious background, I do

1238
01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:01.600
<v Speaker 2>know that it was strictly forbidden for people to go

1239
01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:04.800
<v Speaker 2>out and try to find some kind of secret information

1240
01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:09.319
<v Speaker 2>from a diviner or necromancer from the dead. Basically, do

1241
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:13.239
<v Speaker 2>not mess with the dead stuff. And I do think

1242
01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:18.159
<v Speaker 2>there's a link there to the possibility that there are

1243
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:21.239
<v Speaker 2>spirits in the spirit realm that are bad, that are

1244
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:23.840
<v Speaker 2>out for no good and they want to lead you astray.

1245
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:27.279
<v Speaker 2>I do believe that. So as far as like whether

1246
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:29.680
<v Speaker 2>or not you can come in contact with a dead

1247
01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:32.960
<v Speaker 2>human and have them give you information, I don't know.

1248
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:36.199
<v Speaker 2>We have that one example of the Witch of Indoor

1249
01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:40.239
<v Speaker 2>somehow being able to channel that, and that's in First Samuel.

1250
01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:44.399
<v Speaker 2>I believe, starting in like chapter twenty eight, there is

1251
01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:48.279
<v Speaker 2>that story where that did happen. I don't know if

1252
01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:50.520
<v Speaker 2>that was a one time exception or if that's something

1253
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:53.079
<v Speaker 2>that can happen now. I don't know. So I do

1254
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:58.720
<v Speaker 2>believe that there is an afterlife for our souls, and

1255
01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:02.159
<v Speaker 2>at least in that one, okay, it crossed over. Now,

1256
01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:05.159
<v Speaker 2>there are all kinds of stories in like different ethnic

1257
01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:08.560
<v Speaker 2>groups about like the Day of the Dead or whatever,

1258
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:13.199
<v Speaker 2>where the veil between this life and the afterlife becomes

1259
01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:15.880
<v Speaker 2>thin and spirits can cross over. It's the whole idea

1260
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:19.760
<v Speaker 2>of Halloween. So I'm not sure about the human spirits.

1261
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:24.760
<v Speaker 2>I do believe there are demonic spirits or fallen angels

1262
01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:30.039
<v Speaker 2>or disembodied nephelum that are looking for houses to live in,

1263
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:34.920
<v Speaker 2>bodies to inhabit, or ways to interact with humans that

1264
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:38.399
<v Speaker 2>lead them to destruction. So I do believe in that.

1265
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:41.079
<v Speaker 2>I know there's that famous verse where you know that

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<v Speaker 2>Satan himself can appear as an angel of light to

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<v Speaker 2>lead people astray. So I think you gotta be really careful.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, when I go out, I have mixed

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<v Speaker 2>emotions when we go out on like a paranormal adventure,

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<v Speaker 2>because part of me is like, I don't want secret

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge from beyond, but I do want to pass on

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<v Speaker 2>information that maybe helps people that are like stuck in

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<v Speaker 2>a rut where they're trying to seek out information from

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<v Speaker 2>entities or things that could be nefarious and bad. I

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<v Speaker 2>just would say, don't do it. If you want to

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<v Speaker 2>go out and go do a paranormal adventure, go with

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01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:18.640
<v Speaker 2>an optimistic mind to find truth and not to try

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01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:22.439
<v Speaker 2>to find you know, some kind of of strained special knowledge.

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<v Speaker 3>But it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that's kind of where i'd wrap up. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I don't know what about you.

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<v Speaker 3>I think in my mind it's like ninety five nine percent.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's mostly confirmation bias and psychological disorders. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like you know you'd lost a loved one and you

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01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:45.479
<v Speaker 3>have a dream that night that they come and tell

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<v Speaker 3>you I'm okay, And that's your brain filling in the gaps,

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01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:52.520
<v Speaker 3>whether or not you want to or not, and vice versa.

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<v Speaker 3>You know it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Terrible, don't do it, don't do drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever, it's your brain kind of like filling in these gaps.

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<v Speaker 3>Same with seeing something somewhere. You're in this morning process,

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<v Speaker 3>you're depressed, your brain's you might not be sleeping well,

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01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:10.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, your brain's kind of like just compensating for

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<v Speaker 3>your your lacking of understanding. But I think there is

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<v Speaker 3>a time or a few times, like you mentioned biblically

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<v Speaker 3>or even just stories, where somebody has like a weird experience,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, where there there's a possession or there's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>something truly weird with what's going on. And maybe it

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<v Speaker 3>is in places where there's a lot of traumatic events,

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<v Speaker 3>like a prison. Sometimes I think it's like a location

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<v Speaker 3>where something terrible happened, and that just draws in people

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<v Speaker 3>who are into those kinds of things, not that they're

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<v Speaker 3>into murdering people, but that they're open to the idea

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<v Speaker 3>of evil being so powerful. I think that might make

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01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:54.920
<v Speaker 3>it so that things that are maybe beyond our world

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01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:57.000
<v Speaker 3>can kind of manifest in these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you're right there. You know, people want

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<v Speaker 2>to go to places where weird things happen. There's nostalgia

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01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:08.199
<v Speaker 2>about those places. There's like a well you could call

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<v Speaker 2>it a spirit. There's a spirit about those places that

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<v Speaker 2>people are intrigued by and they want to experience it.

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<v Speaker 3>And you hear stories all the time of like a

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01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.279
<v Speaker 3>guy murdered his family on a farm and then commit

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<v Speaker 3>suicide and it was in the news, and then people

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<v Speaker 3>traveled from all over the countries to see that, to

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<v Speaker 3>go see that place and maybe like steal a piece

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<v Speaker 3>of the like maybe steal a plate or a knife,

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<v Speaker 3>right whatever from the l.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what we did when we went to the

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<v Speaker 2>Idaho State Penitentiary.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't steal anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, no, But what I'm saying is that people

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<v Speaker 2>went there because or we went there because we knew

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<v Speaker 2>that it was supposedly a place where bad things happened.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like these.

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<v Speaker 3>Defections, definitely a place where bad things happened because at prison. Yeah,

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01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:54.920
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of stuff in like the early nineteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's crazy. Well, we beat this horse pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we need to answered.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything super nefarious horse.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were going to leave our listeners with something,

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<v Speaker 2>what would you leave them. I think I'd say something like,

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<v Speaker 2>be careful, be wise, don't get it over your head,

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<v Speaker 2>don't pursue things that could cause mischief in your life.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not the guy who told me about the incubust thing.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, I heard you went on a ghost adventure,

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<v Speaker 3>your ghost hunting tour. I heard your ghostbuster or something.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he said, told me that whole story about

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01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:34.479
<v Speaker 3>the incubists, Raven the girl. And then he basically said,

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01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:37.079
<v Speaker 3>you need to be careful because stuff like that can

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<v Speaker 3>stay with you.

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<v Speaker 2>So I noticed when we were there they told us

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<v Speaker 2>don't then try to antagonize things because they can follow you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, good luck.

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01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the science is super fast. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to tempt I don't want to, like

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01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:59.560
<v Speaker 2>challenge forces and principalities. I don't know what these things are.

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<v Speaker 2>In some aspect, I want to know if they're real,

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01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:04.800
<v Speaker 2>but I don't want to challenge them. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to bait them. If they are these creatures that were

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01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:12.399
<v Speaker 2>created with abilities, powers, whatever they are, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to challenge them and try to get them to react.

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<v Speaker 2>To me in a way that's negative, But I would

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<v Speaker 2>like to have knowledge.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's the fine line. I think too. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you want to study bears, but eventually, you know you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to invade the bear and you're gonna you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to push your limits a little bit. Yeah,

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01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:34.399
<v Speaker 3>you want to take pictures and pictures and pictures, and

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<v Speaker 3>eventually it's going to be you took a picture of

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01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:38.399
<v Speaker 3>the cub and the mam was there, and I got

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<v Speaker 3>mad at.

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<v Speaker 2>You and it was a grizzly or a polar bear.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, something in and it's out of it's more powerful

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01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:47.720
<v Speaker 3>than you can you can handle. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 3>because of our religion, and maybe to some it might

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<v Speaker 3>be ignorance, but because of our religion and my faith set,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel as though nothing in that realm is capable

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<v Speaker 3>of correctly affecting me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would have to go through a different kind

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<v Speaker 2>of shield.

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<v Speaker 3>It might scare the living shit out of me, but

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that it's basically like almost afraid of me

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<v Speaker 3>because of.

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<v Speaker 2>Your faith, my faith. Yeah, you know, and I kind

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01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:21.600
<v Speaker 2>of wonder that too. Sometimes. Maybe that's why we don't

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<v Speaker 2>experience as much as we want is because you know,

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01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:29.239
<v Speaker 2>we're like ghost kryptonite or something. I think faith is good,

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01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:31.680
<v Speaker 2>but I don't want to go out and say, oh yeah,

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01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:33.359
<v Speaker 2>I have super faith, so they're frighting go out and

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01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:36.279
<v Speaker 2>like and poke all these bears without getting my face

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01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:39.960
<v Speaker 2>bit off, you know, Michael or ghost poker, ghost Poker.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know what we should close this off.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked a long time. We got lots of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if we answered any questions, but

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully we made people think about it. What did they

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01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:53.560
<v Speaker 2>think of when they think of ghosts? And I don't know,

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01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:56.479
<v Speaker 2>maybe some of our listeners have really cool stories that

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<v Speaker 2>they'd like to share with us. I'd love to hear

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<v Speaker 2>the stories of this encounters with entities, ghosts, whatever.

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01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:06.640
<v Speaker 3>And any well written ghost story I think is potential

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01:17:06.760 --> 01:17:09.600
<v Speaker 3>good content for our show. Yeah, yeah, I think definitely

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01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:14.239
<v Speaker 3>good shows episodes about just people write in messages about

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01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:18.079
<v Speaker 3>ghost stories, Bigfoot sketch watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Any of the encounters you've had. We would love to

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<v Speaker 2>share those and get them out there. And maybe you've

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<v Speaker 2>had a different maybe have a totally different idea or opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'd love to hear that too.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's the Illuminati, you were Joe Biden or something

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01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:34.359
<v Speaker 3>that's haunting you. Yeah, I don't know.

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01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Your live dog face pony soldiers. I don't know about that.

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01:17:37.760 --> 01:17:40.159
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, why don't you close us out before I

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01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:42.920
<v Speaker 2>talk any more longer and I lose my voice and

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01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I can't sleep tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think before we go to bed, we need

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01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:49.720
<v Speaker 3>to remind our friends to go unlike us, like us,

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01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:52.880
<v Speaker 3>thumbs up US, thumbs up US, and follow us and

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01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:54.880
<v Speaker 3>rate us unless it's negative.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, then don't worry about it.

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01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:59.840
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, give us good reviews and stuff.

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01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:02.479
<v Speaker 2>Helps our podcast out and tell your friends about us.

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01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:05.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, go to our go to our website, check us out,

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01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:07.920
<v Speaker 3>do some stuff there. We got some merchant on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'm still way behind on our website. Take so

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01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:14.319
<v Speaker 2>much time to do this. I mean, we do the recordings,

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<v Speaker 2>we we have to edit them, get them together, get

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<v Speaker 2>them up and get them out, and then do the

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<v Speaker 2>little artwork that we do. And then it's like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't quite get to the to the website

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<v Speaker 2>and update everything. It's like I'm like two episodes behind.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll keep trying.

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01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Yep, But check it out. Maybe if you guys help

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01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:34.239
<v Speaker 3>us out enough, we can be able to keep up

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01:18:34.279 --> 01:18:36.840
<v Speaker 3>on stuff better. Yeah, maybe, just maybe.

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01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:37.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Join us next time for some cold drinks and

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<v Speaker 3>some strange conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds good, Taters,