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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: This is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode

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of a Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things spooky

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Haunted places myths, legends in Latin America, and true crime

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involving Latin America or latinos latinas in the US. I've

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been practicing that. I like that, thank you. Yeah, And

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I mentioned both because we're doing both today. Carmen has

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legends from Baja California, Yes, yes, yeah. And I've got

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a true crime case that I just feel that I

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heard about it and it needs more awareness. It involves

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a Mexican woman who was literally only in the United

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States for eighteen days before she went missing. Oh wow, Yeah,

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Elizabeth Stargado was her name. And before we get into

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both of those things, we have a listener story. And

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finally I went into the Haunted Spooky hot line Haunted hotline.

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I don't call it that. I think I just called

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the Spookie hot line. Yeah, she went into the Haunted archives. Yes,

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it's out of the door. That sounds better. Actually, that's

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what I did. And so we're gonna listen to the

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story today. And I absolutely even though I forget, like

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I neglect the hotlines A lot. I love hearing people

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tell you their story and their own voice. It's fun.

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So there's a few sitting here, so we're going to

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be I'm going to try and do this, you know,

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just remember to delete the ones you've already played before

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all that. If you have a story that you want

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to send into the podcast, you can email a Spooky

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toos at gmail dot com. You can DM us on

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any of the socials. You can submit it on discord.

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You could also record a voice memo and attach a

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yet email. That's one way, or again call the is

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Pooky hotline number in the show notes. And there's also

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a thing on our website that says record a voicemail.

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But for some reason, people like it never works. I

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don't know. I get messages and it's like I try

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to leave a voicemail and it's not working. So I

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don't know. I got to figure out what's going on

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with that, because when you go to the website there's

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an option that's sad, but it never works, So I

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don't know. But those are all the options. There's several

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wat to get stories to us. We love receiving them

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and all right, are we ready?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? One, two, three, So I just heard your podcast

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of the Dealing Sister. Oh my gosh, it didn't reminded me.

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That's what made happened to me. And so I live

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in North Carolina and I lived with my mom, my dad,

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my nephew, right, and my nephew is like a year

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older than me. And one night he came to my

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room and asked where it was him, and he just

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stood in the corner and like describing at his face

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like he was in pain and just crying, and he

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was saying, why do you hate me so much? Why

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don't you love me? And then I went, I want

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to get my mom to come get him, like to

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see what's going on. And I passed by his room

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and he was asleep in his room in he's dead.

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So then I got to my mom anyway, and then

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my mom talks me to my room, right, and then

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my room is on the like the end of the trailer,

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and he is his room is in the middle of

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the trailer. So my mom her room is all the

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way on the other side. So she wants me to

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my room. And then I go to lay down, right,

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everybody goes to sleep, and then my nephew comes to

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my room he actually does come to my room and

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he's crying and he's screaming, and he's running off the

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wall like acting crazy. And then he goes to the

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living room and he's just crying and pulling at his face.

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I go to my mom and my mom comes in there,

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and he's just like pull my arm, pull my arm,

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and he's just crying and screaming and talking about the

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devil and all this crazy stuff. And it was so

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like terrifying. Oh my god, it's just scaring me now

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thinking about that because it was so real to me,

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and my mom had to call the local pastor. Our father.

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We had just gotten him, so I don't really know

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him much like that, it was a scary night of

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my life. He was just like crawling, all creepy and

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everything like that's how I know the other side is real,

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something you know is more than us out here. And

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oh my god, just that the listening story really got

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to me. But anyways, he had to come. The father

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had to come to the house, and he blessed him,

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He blessed the house, he poured holy water on him,

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he gave him a rosary and everything. And for the

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next year we went to church like every Sunday, every Wednesday.

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It was just like I don't know, I don't know

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what it was like.

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Speaker 2: It was okay, it got cut off, wow at the

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very end there. But oh my god, that's terrifying, very

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if anyone doesn't remember the story she was referring to

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chat on one of our listeners on patron Remembers sent

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in another voice memo where she mentioned that her sister

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was like attacking her, right, Yeah, so like in a

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but like in a weird situation, not just like attacking

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her like she was like not a regular attack. Yeah,

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it's like she was having sleep paralysis and in her

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in her sleep proalyssis moment, she was seeing like a demon, right,

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and then when she woke up, it was her sister

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on top of her, like kicking her or some shit

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like that. So that was the listening story that this

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listener was referring to. And oh my god, that is

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very scary, truly terrifying. Yeah, it's just it's so much

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worse that she saw it happened before it happened, Like

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the nephew was in her room, right, but then she

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passed by and he was asleep, but then it happened

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in the living room, kind of like telling the future

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a little bit. Yeah, creepy, very creepy. Thank you so

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much for setting that in. Yeah, I'm I'm scared. Yeah, Okay,

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shall I get to the legends from Baja California and

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Baka California. Suit, let's do it. Okay, now we'll get

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to those, but before the Spookye, a little bit of

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a little bit of fats, a little bit of the region.

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I love it, Yeah, perfectly. So, Baja California is the

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twelfth largest state by area in Mexico, and it is

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the northernmost and westernmost of the Mexican states. So yeah,

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like the way I explained it to myself, is the

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first state on the western coast that borders Arizona, California,

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Like do you get it? Yes? And as most probably know,

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Tijuana is the largest city in Baker California, but Mexicali

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is the capital. I actually didn't know what the capital

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was now me neither did I think it was Tijuana? Yes,

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who didn't honestly unless you're from there? Right, other major

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and well known cities in Baga, California, or in Senada

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and ros Rito or right in Rosa Rito. So that

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was the last that was really I was literally about

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to stop pre colonization. Baca, California was inhabited by indigenous

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groups who spoke the Yuman language of the Hokon linguistic family.

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And of course I'm sorry for any mispronunciations. This included

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the Kiliwa, Pipeie, Kumeyai, and go go Ba tongues. Okay,

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main those are the main ones, but there's more so

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the Papaye Indians aka the Akuala. Also they're also known

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as that lived in the northern Sierras which is modern

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day and Sanata, Mexicali, and also in the US and

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western Arizona in southern California. You know, because borders are

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fink they're made up in recent Yeah, exactly, so the

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Kumeyai people resided in the coastal inland valley and in

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the mountain regions of Baja California, which is present day

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as Gondido, and then also in San Diego. Again because

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the borders are made up, So the Spaniards also referred

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to the And I feel like I already wrote it differently,

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but when I say Kumeyai Kumai, I don't know people

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as the the Gueno or the Geno, I'm not sure,

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but the Spaniards made that up, so who cares what

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they think? The who My people were hunters, gatherers and

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fishers and the Cochimi. Did I even bring up Touchimi already,

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but they were also from this region. But the Cochimi

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people inhabited the central area of Baja California Peninsula from

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north of modern day Rosario to Loreto, and they sustained

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themselves by fishing in the coastal areas and gathering fruits

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and seeds from other areas. And of course there's a

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lot more you know, history there and culture there that

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we're not gonna, you know, get to right. In fifteen

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ninety six, King Felippe Dos of Spain ordered the colonization

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of this area of the Baja California Peninsula, and six

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years later Sebastian Viscaino made his way to the region,

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where he was met with fears resistance Good exactly. And

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while Sebastian managed to build a four in La Pace,

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the four had to be abandoned due to Indigenia's resistance. Good. Then,

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in sixteen eighty three, a mineral Isidro Atndo and Antillon

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and this is what it said. So I don't know

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if this is the boat's last names or if these

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are two separate people, because it was so No, it's

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probably two last names. But so if it was two

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last names, why didn't they just say Admiral Isidro Antillon

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instead of putting and it was a thing? Are you serious? Yeah? Oh, okay,

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so this is one person, then yes, so the person Isidro.

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He established a settlement in modern day La Pace. But

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again the Spaniards were forced to abandon their establishment. I'm

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loving all this forceful abandonment of their settlements. Yes, yeah.

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And then another settlement that the Spaniards were forced to

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abandon was in modern day sam Bruno. Then in sixteen

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ninety seven, Jesuit missionaries arrived to the area, you know,

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to colonize some more and spread slash force their religion

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onto the other indigenous people of the area. So many

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indigenous people lost their lives in led anchidias and the

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missions that were established by the Spaniards. Many from anxious

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diseases like smallpox, typhis, and measles, and the deadliest epidemic

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was the typhus epidemic from seventeen forty two to seventeen

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forty four, which is said to have taken the lives

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of about eight thousand indigenous people. Oh my god. In

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the decades that followed, many bands and indigenous groups were

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completely eradicated, while others, like the Pettiku, Guaikura, and Kochimi

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struggled and resisted against their ongoing colonization. From seventeen thirty

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four to seventeen forty four, there were various bouts of

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indigenous rebellion, the strongest of these being from seventeen thirty

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four to seventeen thirty seven, in which the Pertiku and

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the Guaikura people took over many of the missions in

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the southern part of the peninsula. I love this. This

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is the kind of mastionary history that I would have

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preferred to learn about. Oh yeah, instead of being forced

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to go on field trips to learn about these fathers

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and priests that do fuck people. Tell me who fucked them? Yeah,

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tell me who they throw their houses? Yeah, seriously, that's

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what I want to know. By eighteen ninety five, according

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to the census of that year, around two thousand, one

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hundred fifty people spoke indigenous languages in Baja California, but

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by the nineteen hundred census that number dropped to one thousand,

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one hundred eleven, and then to seven hundred eleven in

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nineteen ten. Oh my god. And then from what I saw,

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these census from nineteen hundred and nineteen ten included all

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of Mexico, not just Baja California peninsula. So today most

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of the indigenous languages spoken in the Bacca Peninsula are

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not historically local to the region and are brought from

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migrant workers from Wahaka mostly. So, yeah, that was a

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little bit of the of the history of the region.

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Let's see, in a previous episode, you've already talked about

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one major legend of Baja California, which was the Haunted

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Roads episode Haunted Roads in Mexico episode we talk about

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Laero Morosa. Yes, Latra Morosa. So and then I okay,

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I looked through the episodes and the website and I

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didn't see that you had covered the Aqua Galiente casino

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and hotel. But I kind of remember, are you talking

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about it? Does that sound familiar to you?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Is it the Headless Ballerina? No, No, it's just similar.

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Then it's just very similar. Then I remember that headless ballerina. Okay,

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this is very short because I really couldn't find that

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much infault about it. I'm excited, but basically, this Agua

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Calientes Casino and hotel is in Tijuana and it's now

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a high school. Right, isn't that the same as the

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other one? Wow? Okay, so this is standing very familiar.

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But you're sure that this doesn't have a headless woman. Yeah,

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who may or may not dance? Right? I mean I

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didn't see more, okay about that? Okay, there could be yeah,

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there could be more details. I guess that I didn't. Well,

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let's just let's just hear it because I was a

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very early episode anyway. So this was in the nineteen

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thirties when the building was a hotel. A woman who's

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saying for the hotel poisoned her lover after stealing money

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from him, but it didn't kill him immediately, so when

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he chased her down desperately asking for the act to know,

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she refused to give it to him, and then he

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shot her and killed her. So now students from the

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high school report seeing a woman's ghost, but not the

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lover's ghost. Okay, So the version which we shared is

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insanely similar to this, but instead of being a singer,

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it's a dancer. Oh okay, yeah, interesting, and she does

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kill her husband my poison. Yes, but people see her

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in one of the high schools like Towers. Oh, and

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she's headless. Okay, there was nothing headless I saw from

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this one. Okay, very interesting because yeah, this is almost

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the same. And then I saw a legend but not

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more detail, which kind of like. I was looking and looking.

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I even found an article about Jesswa missions. You're like

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going to Google scholars, Yes.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: I even asked my librarian friend for access to it

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and I was able to get the full article. But

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it was not spookiness. It was just mission history, which

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I was like, blah. Okay, So there's this legend of

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the lost mission of San Dionicio. This sounds fascinating. Well,

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don't get too excited because it's so short. Okay, Okay.

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It is said that a Jesuit mission slash colonization station.

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That's me. Sorry, did you just make that up?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I made it up when I was typing it, so

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it's in my okay, yeah, okay, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So it is said that a Jesuit mission named San

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Dionicio was once located near the town of La Pace.

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Somehow the mission disappeared and only cryptic symbols on the

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rocks have been left in its place, and that's all

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I can find about it. Oh my god. Please, if

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anyone knows more about this lost a mission of San Dionio,

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please tell us seriously. Wow, okay, I've never heard this.

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I love coming across sledges that I've never heard about. Yes,

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at this point, this deep in the podcast, there's like

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not a lot, right, you know, they're still out there

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like this. I never heard of this, but it's so short.

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Oh man, I wish the was more right. I have

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another short one, okay, okay. In the town of Todos Santos,

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fear spread among both locals and visitors when the appearance

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of the Devil's foot prints materialized on the walls of

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the mission of Todos Santos. But that's all I could find.

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And then when I try looking more into it, it

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only popped up like a like a famous story from

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the UK of the Devil's footprints. Yeah. Wow, that is

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so short, so like two sentenceur stories like more like

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that yeah, but I have a longer one now, Okay.

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So this is the legend of Laurita. Okay. So it

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is said that a few kilometers west of Dodos Santos,

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in the road that takes you to Ganada Onda, La

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Pastora e las Flaitas, under a tree known as Palo Blanco,

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the tomb of a young woman named Martile Martinez can

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be found. However, there is no name in the tombstone,

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only the words la Aurgarita. That's rude. Yeah, we don't

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mean her name's not there, just like this or the

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choked one, the choked girl or woman. I'm sorry, I

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do not first I want to be cremated, so I'm

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not going to be like in a tomb, right, But

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if I were to have a tombstone, I would be

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so offended. Of course I would come back and haunt

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the world. If all my tombstone said is the choked one. Yeah. No. So,

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according to the legend, this took place in the final

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years of the eighteenth century and has been passed down

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orly in the region since then. So the story is

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as follows. Matilde lived in a werta known as Sorry Paused.

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So I didn't know what a whatta was? Do you

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remember me asking her mom in the in our group message,

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I do not when I was stuck in the airport

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in Denver by the way, Yeah, curse cursed Denvers are

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not wanting to leave. As I was writing this, I

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was going through a curse. Yeah, so werta. I really

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forgot what she said, honestly, But it seems like researched. No,

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because it didn't really know. It's like like housing, but

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like kind of like outside, like there's a huge like

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garden in there, just a small shelter like when you

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go to the park and there's like a covered area

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to No, No, no, it's more it's like a residential place,

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but it's more outside than the like the residential building.

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I guess it's just small and I don't know. I

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don't want to see rudimentary, but maybe, yes, rudimentary. This

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sounds like what would be like a hakal. Maybe yes,

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that's how I pictured it. Yeah, okay, so yeah there's

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like a shack. Yeah okay. So Matilda lived in and

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I don't know, I was known that with her husband,

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her mother in law, and a brother in law who

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was only about nine years old, and he was a

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person with down syndrome. The story I found used an older,

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outdated term that we won't repeat here. Right, Matilda was

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only eighteen and she and her husband were newly wets.

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On the day of the tragic event, Matilda's husband was

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away working at the canaverale. I did look that up

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and I forgot what it was. Just don't tell us, sorry,

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while Matilda stayed home to tend the garden. Now, Matilde

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was busy sewing and raking and pruning and watering whatever else,

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growing pumpkins and tells, Okay, she was like doing it all. Wow,

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she's just growing pumpkins, you know. So she was busy

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working when a friend of hers and her husband's named

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as montever then walked by, as friends do, as Dolfou

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greeted Matinde, saying get you less is done to scalavas

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Matinde or girly, your pumpkins are so cute. Yeah, and

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then he went on his merry way. You know, comes Nava.

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Because it was nothing, just a simple compliment right on

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her pumpkins, right she was growing. Yeah, well, alasen this compliment. Okay,

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the mother in Laddin like this compliments. No no about pumpkins. Right.

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The mother in law mistook this compliment as flirtation, and

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she was jealous on behalf of her son. Purious. The

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mother in law yeld edsuna or your a flirt amatide,

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and in her furious rage, she repeatedly hit Matile with

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which is the you know, yeah, this thing like this,

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the part you crushed, yes, the whatever? Yeah, yeah, so

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that thing and this is so uncalled for, exactly, it's

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a complete overreaction. So yeah, she hit Mati until Matile

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fell to the ground dead. Oh my god. The mother

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in law then tried to cover her tracks by hiding

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Mattila's body among the shrubbery. A tree had fallen in

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that area amongst the shrubbery, so she made it look

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like this tree fell on Matile and that's how Matilda died.

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And then she left Mattila's body there until the husband

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got home. So hours passed, and at the end of

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the day the husband finally got home. The mother in

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law told her son that Matilda had an accident and

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died when the tree fell on her, and like your

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typical mama's boy, he believed every word she said. I

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was gonna say this sounds like a boy.

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Speaker 1: Mom.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, one hundred percent. Then laid into

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the night d two hid Mattila's body by wrapping it

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in leather and dragging it to a mountain. I'm sorry

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if my husband and mother in law put together my

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fucking body I had come back buffalom like that. Oh

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my god, that's like adding insult to the mother in

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law already killed her dad, and now the husband is

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fucking helping her.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: It's the audacity, the shamelessness. Once in the mountain, they

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dragged Mattila's body a few kilometers further until they reached

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on blanco or a white bark tree. They're at the

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award Blanco or the mother in law and husband hung

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Mattila's body to make the townspeople think that she died

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by suicide. Oh my god, it's like it's adding on

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more more insultant dream like. Yeah, because on top of that,

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this is also like a sin you can't right, especially

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to like a Catholic community. Yeah. Yeah. Eight days later,

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Matilda's body was found by a young boy who told

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the townspeople. The townspeople were both surprised and afraid to

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hear the news. And then authorities became involved. It was

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decided by the authorities that it would be best to

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let Matilda to rest right then and there at the

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Adamal de Palo Blanco, where her body hung. Soon the

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truth of Mattila's death was revealed when her younger brother

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in law spilled the beans about his mother killing Matilda.

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The mother in law and husband were sent to Santa

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Rosalia Prison, where the mother in law died in a

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dungeon like room. Wow she yes. The husband was eventually

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released from prison after serving his full sentence, and then

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he was lost to time like no one knows what

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happened to him. In the years and decades that followed,

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La Aurcaita became a fountain of hope for women and

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longing to become mothers. And this is because after her death,

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it turned out that Matilda was about four months pregnant.

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Oh my god. But in order for Matilda to grant

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i'm may goal, one must start praying along the main

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path until they get to Matilis tomb, and the prayer

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must be prayed to the child inside matiliz womb who

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died at the hands of its own Awulita. Wow. So

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she's a good goes. Yeah. Yeah, wow, that's surprising. But

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also and I love this, I'm not like like I

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love that this happened because like, leave it to a

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group of like a Mexican community to turn this horrible

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death into something miraculous, into a saint. Like, yeah, it

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reminds me of the little boy that died and the

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people bring him toys and stuff in the Panteon Develin.

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But people don't pray to him, right, they just bring

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him toys. No, no, because people do give toys to

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little Nachito. They do in Panto Neblin. But in Panto

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Neblin there's also a doctor that passed away and people

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began to ask him for favors that's right, for healing,

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for prayers, and now people pray to him. Like I

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know this is like, oh, you're not supposed to do

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that as a Catholic. What is the worst sacrilegious or

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something like that. Yeah, yeah, like it's wrong, but also

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the most Catholic thing to do. Yeah, Like, this woman

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was hanging from a tree, but you know what I'm

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interpreted her now like yeah, yeah, well because she didn't

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hang herself, you know, of course, We're not saying that

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people who die by suicide or sinners, but that's the

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Catholic belief right. But yeah, I mean she was put

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there and the truth came out about her death, and

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so yeah, they like turned this into a positive and

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revered her, which is cool. Yeah. I was expecting something different, like, oh,

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cars drive by and she pops up and people get

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in car accidents. And I wouldn't blame her if she

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did me neither. But the fact that this is what

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became of her, like, I love it, I absolutely love it.

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But you know what I love more is that her

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name is remembered, so is her friend's name. But the

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husband and the mother in law, they're just the husband

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and the mother in law. Yeah, they're nameless in this story. Yeah,

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and yeah, I'm here for that. So next we have

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the legend of El Metulo. The legend of m Matulo

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originated in Bacha, California, suit on a peninsula north of

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to be exact that many call Elmetulo or Punta Matulo.

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According to legend, around the nineteenth century, the waters around

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the peninsula used to be full of pearls, so every year,

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hundreds of divers would go to the area and dive

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deep into the ocean to search for pearls in hopes

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of getting rich. Drivers back then did not have the

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technology we have today, so it's said that many would

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dive into the water with only a stick to protect

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themselves from ocean predators. Those that made it back to

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land would usually be injured and have bloody noses and

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busted ear drums yanks. Oh. Eventually, every year the winds

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they would get stronger every year and they made dangerous

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for divers to continue searching. So at the end of

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each diving season, the divers would get together and dig

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up their last pearl in honor of the Vitkan media.

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But one year, one of the divers missed the end

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of season tradition and instead decided to dive into the

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ocean on his own, even though fellow divers warned against it.

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The selfish diver told his fellow divers that he planned

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to dig up his final pearl in the name of

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the devil instead. What the fuck? He's like someone called

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for He's like, he can't screw that. This is for

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suttn ass? What and for what exactly? Yeah? Why?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 2: Because he was he was never seen again. He duve

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into the water, and he was never seen again. Of

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course yep, so many believe that the devil heard the

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man's offering and took him instead, like I don't watch

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a pearl, I want your soul, please, don't you know me?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: So, nowadays locals do not dare to search for pearls

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near Bunda Machuzo because it's said that those who have

467
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,559
tried have encountered the ghosts of the selfish diver, and

468
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:45,200
those who do encounter the ghosts of the diver can

469
00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:48,480
expect to encounter a ghost with a huge head of hair,

470
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:51,240
a long beard, that looks sad, and is holding a

471
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,279
large pearl in his hand that is said to belong

472
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:57,880
to the devil. Wow and overall, many believes the legend

473
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,720
was created to teach greedy divers to stay away from

474
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,559
the ocean when it becomes dangerous or pay the ultimate

475
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:05,799
price with their lives. There's nothing like a fun little

476
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:09,200
ghostly cautionary tale to keep people away from a certain area.

477
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,319
You know, it just makes it all so much better.

478
00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:18,200
So that was that was legends from Baja California and Baca, California.

479
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:21,480
Those are fun. I love a fun little local legend.

480
00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:24,359
You know, I don't know about any of these so bad. Yeah,

481
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,839
it's always it's always fun to read about other places. Yeah, Okay,

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502
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to be sharing the case of Elisabe Salgado. She went

503
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:03,680
missing after all being in Provo Utah for eighteen days,

504
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,960
and I mean, this is you know, we'll get into it,

505
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:07,960
but it's it's a very sad case, like I just

506
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:12,279
couldn't believe it. So Ai Saba Sagado was born November sixth,

507
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,559
nineteen eighty eight, and she was twenty six at the

508
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,640
time she went missing. She was an inspiring engineer. Both

509
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,440
of her parents were also engineers from Chiapas, Mexico. She

510
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,039
had just graduated with her bachelors from dux La Gutierres

511
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:31,279
Institute of Technology and her degree was in industrial engineering.

512
00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:34,759
After graduating, she spent two years as a missionary in

513
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,079
Bachuca in Valgo, and when she returned from her mission trip,

514
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,559
she attended a business leadership course, and this is when

515
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:45,200
she decided that she wanted to learn English to get

516
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,200
you know, better career opportunities, and so she started researching

517
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:54,839
where to attend English school. She was like legit, like

518
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,200
actual like immersion, you know, which was the best way

519
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,759
to learn, not like reo lingo, which is honestly just

520
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,960
like really a game at this point, so she decided

521
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,319
after English classes she was going to move to sue

522
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:10,359
that Mexico and then pursue her masters. So you could

523
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:14,519
tell right away like she's responsible. She values education deeply.

524
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:19,079
She ended up choosing Provo, Utah to attend the Noman

525
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,160
Global English Language School, and she chose Provo after a

526
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,440
lot of research. She learned through this research that it

527
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,079
was one of the safest cities in the United States.

528
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,160
And she also chose it because her church, the Church

529
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,519
of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints Mormons, it was

530
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:36,720
very active in the area. It is Utah asome, but

531
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:39,400
also she has family in the area, so it was

532
00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:41,559
kind of the perfect place for her to go. Her

533
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,119
mom describes her as very very smart, especially with math

534
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,480
and physics. Her siblings looked up to her. She was noble, faithful, loving,

535
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,599
She was the one kind of setting in the example

536
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:56,720
for her younger sisters. She had older brothers and she

537
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,160
was the eldest girl, and more things about her. Her

538
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,880
mom said she never got angry, she was very patient.

539
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,519
She was also just very faithful to her church and

540
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:09,240
her mom taught Sunday school, and she was very close

541
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,720
to her family. When she was away during her mission trip,

542
00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:15,559
she know she was in constant communication with them. She

543
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,799
missed them a bunch, and she had just gotten back

544
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:19,599
from this trip when she decided, you know, to go

545
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,799
to English school. So you know, she was very sad

546
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:24,319
to be away from her family again. But her mom

547
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:26,720
reassured her, telling her like, oh, it's only going to

548
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,680
be eight months. It's not a big deal. We just

549
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,599
survived two years, like we're going to be fine, and

550
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:34,599
that they would see each other when the trip or

551
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,079
when the language school was over. And sadly, they never

552
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,480
got the chance to see each other again. Elizabeth was

553
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:43,680
in Provo, Utah for less than a month, like I said,

554
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:47,519
eighteen days before she went missing. And even in just

555
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,200
these eighteen days, she was very busy. She joined her

556
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:55,000
local church, like a group in her local church, a

557
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:58,640
youth group type thing, but for like adults. For the singles, yeah,

558
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:02,160
it was like for both men and women. Like a

559
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:06,039
young single sometimes they split it up, right, they do sometimes,

560
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,440
So she joined that group. She had friends, like not

561
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:11,279
close school friends, because you know, she was new to

562
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:13,559
the area, but she made friends. She went to school,

563
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,039
She got a part time job at a restaurant. Her

564
00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:20,240
apartment was in the Brandberry and apartment complex that was

565
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,920
driving distance not far from the school, but she didn't

566
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,160
have a car, so she walked a lot. So when

567
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,200
she first got to the brand Berry she had roommates

568
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,799
that she told her family that they were very like

569
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:31,960
like there was a language barrier already, but they were

570
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,799
also just like not very not warm and welcoming to her.

571
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Were they like warmons? Also? I don't know. I wonder,

572
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,359
I wasn't able to find that in the research. And

573
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,119
I also wonder if they were white. I was just

574
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,000
gonna ask that. So you don't know. I don't know

575
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,720
about that. I do know that she moved rooms apartment

576
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:51,480
built of rooms, same complex, but with a group of

577
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:54,480
Korean roommates after and she liked them so much better.

578
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,599
They practiced their English together even though there was a

579
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,480
language barrier. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, so that's what

580
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:01,799
if they were white, I don't know, but I couldn't

581
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:05,559
find that information. Sometimes Utah in general is there's a

582
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:09,400
lot more like white people there and they can tend

583
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,400
to be racist. Yeah, and like hashtag not all white people,

584
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:15,720
right of course, of course, but the region you know, yeah,

585
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,359
you never know, right, She just I know she had

586
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,640
from her own accounts unwelcoming roommates when she first got there,

587
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,400
and then she moved roommates. Can I share a sort

588
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,039
of related story, yeah, okay, the relation is racist people

589
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:34,119
from Utah. Utah is a relation, yes, yeah. So my

590
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,880
friend lives in Salt Lake City and even she feels

591
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,079
so she actually ended up living not on purpose but

592
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,599
in the Mexican side of town, but she's just surrounded

593
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,319
by white people. She said. Where she used to work,

594
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:48,240
it was her birthday and the I don't know if

595
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:50,400
it was their supervisor, just a coworker, but they you

596
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,559
know how you do at work, they'll give you a

597
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,079
birthday card that everyone's signed. Anyway, there was like the

598
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,240
dog from like Taco Bell on the card. That is

599
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:01,279
a microaggression. Yeah, and so she felt weird about it

600
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:03,319
and She's like, hey, why did you give me this card?

601
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,240
And then the person was like, what do you mean?

602
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:08,640
It's because you're a Mexican and she's like what just

603
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,880
straight up yeah, and she's like you get it. And

604
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,720
then she's like do you get it? Like how I feel?

605
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,240
And yeah, that's what happened. And the person didn't understand

606
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,799
that it was inappropriate. Yeah, okay, well there it is.

607
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,400
I mean, obviously that's some more person's experience, but I mean,

608
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,519
even you know, as a person who had just arrived,

609
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:29,519
she doesn't speak English fully, she is Mexican. It's like

610
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:33,119
a double yeah. And just to factually moved roommates, and

611
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:36,240
her own account is that these new roommates were much

612
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:41,079
friendlier welcoming, So yeah, I don't know, there's something there, right, Yeah,

613
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,599
So they practiced their English together. She also found Spanish

614
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:47,559
speaking friends in the same building and they practiced English

615
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:51,359
together as well. Overall, you can tell she's outgoing, she's friendly.

616
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,279
Oh yeah, eighteen days in, I would have not had

617
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:56,880
one friend. I've been here for like seven years in

618
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:03,960
or cutting that. So she also had several outings with

619
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:06,839
a man from her apartment complex, and she posted about

620
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,360
this on Facebook. But she and she told her family

621
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,400
about these outings like dates, I think, but she never

622
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,519
said who this was. She never said a name. And

623
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,760
I mentioned this earlier, but she was also a member

624
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,440
of the young single adult group, which was called a ward.

625
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,920
And then for some unknown reason, she switched wards from

626
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,320
the wind. She was a BO because these are they

627
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,440
were based on location. These Wards, they're very organized and

628
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:32,079
so the it's like, if you're in this area of town,

629
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,400
you belong to Ward eighteen, like I'm tayaketup numbers. So

630
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,639
she moved from her what was supposed to be her

631
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,000
award to the one hundred fortieth ward and this wasn't

632
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:44,679
her official ward, so and there was never like an

633
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,400
explanation for this move. Interesting, so it was like out

634
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:53,280
of the ordinary for ward groups. Yeah, And at the

635
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,440
one hundred fortieth Ward, her unofficial minister brother was Mackie Smith.

636
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,280
He only got to know her a little litle bit.

637
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,159
He mentions that he was supposed to give her a

638
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,920
ride to a church event, but he couldn't because he

639
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:07,880
was sick, and that was the last time he spoke

640
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,079
to her. And he also just even him describing like

641
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:13,199
I couldn't give her a ride, but she was just

642
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,559
so nice about it. She's like she was just that

643
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:17,679
kind of person that was just so kind. Going to

644
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,920
add and this is no way to shade her her family,

645
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,639
but it's all I just feel like I need to

646
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:26,599
point it out because it's a thing with high control religions,

647
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:30,840
and with Mormonism specifically that I've heard and learned from

648
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,239
watching ex Mormons women girls, they're not allowed to express anger.

649
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,599
It's very very frowned upon. So I just want to

650
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,400
throw that out there, like being angry is a valid emotion.

651
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:45,800
It's okay to be angry, it's okay to not be

652
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,079
nice all the time. I'm just you know, yeah, I

653
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,880
just needed to say that. He couldn't control like the

654
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:51,760
urge to say this. I was like finding it from

655
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,800
earlier on. I could tell. I could tell I was

656
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,360
waiting at Yeah, that's about to explode. Yes, yeah, that's

657
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:01,360
that is very true. And if you are nice all

658
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,280
the time, okay, maybe you're like that, but it's not likely,

659
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,239
Like everyone experiences a wide range of emotions normal. It's normal,

660
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,679
and it's okay, and it's yeah, and it's allowed or

661
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,199
should be allowed for everyone, right, And so he even said,

662
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,639
like when he said he couldn't give her a ride,

663
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,199
she asked if he needed anything, even though she wouldn't

664
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:22,079
have had a way to like take him anything, right,

665
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:23,199
she was still like what.

666
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:23,679
Speaker 1: Do you need?

667
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: Like I'm here for you. And that was the last

668
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,480
time we saw her. And he was cleared from any

669
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,840
sort of suspicion as well, because I think anytime you

670
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,440
mentioned anyone's name Mary, it's like yeah, right, but no,

671
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,320
he was, Hey, he's been cleared fully and he fully

672
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,800
cooperated with investigators like nothing suspicious at all. So he

673
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,480
was able to give her a ride. And this was

674
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:43,400
just a few days before she went missing this church

675
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,360
event that he was supposed to give her a ride to.

676
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:49,480
So on April sixteenth, twenty fifteen, and Sabbath had plans

677
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:51,840
to go to Walmart with her uncle after school, and

678
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,760
this was normal. She didn't have a car, so it

679
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,920
was like a planned thing that they had where once

680
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,239
a week he picked her up and or take her

681
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,400
to Walmart for groceries. They were supposed to be five

682
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,599
at her apartment, but when he got there, she was

683
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:07,320
not there. And earlier that day, Elizabeth's sister texted her,

684
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,719
I miss you. What are you doing, and Elizabeth had

685
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,559
replied leaving school and that was it. That was the message,

686
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:15,559
nothing else, just leaving school. This was at two thirty pm,

687
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,320
and this was the last time anyone Elizabeth's phone had

688
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,719
any sort of activity. Wow. The family and her sister,

689
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,480
they do believe that this was not her texting because

690
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,079
even if it was a simple answer like I'm leaving school,

691
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,119
her messages were always affectionate okay, like it would have

692
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,280
a heart emoji or something something something. And also like

693
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,280
her sister said, I miss you, what are you doing?

694
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,119
So normally she what I miss I knew you too, Yeah,

695
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,960
okay exactly, and this message none of that, just so

696
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:49,119
straightforward leaving school. So that was already unlike her, Yes,

697
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,920
very unlike her. So that already kind of raised bells.

698
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:54,679
And so you know, that was two thirty pm. So

699
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,840
at five, when she didn't show up, when her uncle

700
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,880
was waiting for her at her apartment, this was brazy

701
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,800
moral alarms. They were like, she should be here by now.

702
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,880
This isn't like her to just not do what she

703
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:07,480
was going to do, like to just flake on plants. Right,

704
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,599
So her uncle decided to go to Walmart because maybe

705
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,400
for some reason she walked straight to Walmar instead of

706
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,760
the apartment he went. He walked through all the aisles,

707
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,119
she was nowhere to be seen, and then he was like, okay,

708
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:20,679
maybe she picked up a last minute shift at the restaurant.

709
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,079
He went over there and asked, but no, she wasn't

710
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:24,960
scheduled to work that day, so she wasn't there either.

711
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,559
And he went home after that thinking Okay, maybe Eliseeba

712
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,159
just forgot our plans and maybe she went in there's

713
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:34,159
something else with friends. But still he was like, I

714
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:37,119
don't know, like it's not like her. Yeah, And so

715
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,880
he'd let her mom know in Chiapas and they were

716
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,360
all like, okay, this is weird. And because none of

717
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,639
their messages were being answered either, the last message answered

718
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:50,679
was the leaving school message. So the next day, Friday

719
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:54,000
the seventeenth, her mom called her other brother. He is

720
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,559
now in California, but he did live in Provo for

721
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,639
a long time, so another uncle and he ended up

722
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,840
calling Elizabeth's work and learned that she didn't show up

723
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,000
her scheduled shift. And now they grew even more worried

724
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:09,519
because this is like the most responsible person ever, and

725
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:13,159
so they report her missing after this, and surprisingly the

726
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:16,320
police get to work right away because she's an adult,

727
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:18,920
and we know the police sometimes they tend to be

728
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,360
like whatever, and adults allowed to go missing, right, That's

729
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,440
what I was say. Yeah, So the police get to

730
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,599
work right away. They pink her phone and they get nothing.

731
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,119
They also like, there's no recent selectivity, so like it

732
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,440
was turned off, right, that's inane. So that means that

733
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:36,679
was trewed off or dead. Yeah, one of the two.

734
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,920
They are able to determine that she had been walking

735
00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:44,440
her regular route route. I don't know. I never know

736
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:47,159
how to say that word right, right either. Yeah, So

737
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,760
she had been walking the way she normally walks home,

738
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,599
and they began talking to anyone and everyone that knew her.

739
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,679
So they quickly rule out a creepy classmate who like

740
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,960
made advances towards her. They rule out a construction work

741
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,480
girl from the site that she passed by every single day,

742
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,719
who apparently was like trying to get her to quit

743
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,320
her job, telling her things like, oh, I'll take care

744
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,320
of you. Do never believe that, right? Can I go

745
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,519
on another side of tangent about that? Of course? Okay,

746
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,960
do you remember being in Mexico with Artia Rika on

747
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,280
the bus and she told us the story. I don't

748
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,360
even know how this came up, but she told us

749
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,320
the story of this girl who she wanted her mom

750
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,280
to buy her new shoes. But the mom couldn't have

751
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,119
wanted to buy new shoes. She was like a teenager,

752
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:32,440
like a young teenager. And then the girl met this

753
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:36,400
man who promised to buy her new shoes, and so

754
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:38,360
she went off with the first man that offered it

755
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,760
to buy her new shoes. And now she said, ambarrassala

756
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,760
descalza so barefoot and pregnant. I don't remember this, but

757
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,079
also she tell us this. I have no idea why

758
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:52,239
she was saying this to us, which is one of

759
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,239
those things I remember. Yeah, she's like, don't trust the

760
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,840
first man to offer you shoes. I mean that's the lesson. Yeah, yeah, wow,

761
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:01,800
that's I don't remember that at all. Yeah. So, yeah,

762
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,400
they rolled these two creepy men out. They were just creepy.

763
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,800
But there was just nothing there, right, just your regular

764
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,199
run of the mill crate. Yes, And so they talked

765
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:14,360
to classmates, teachers. They couldn't find anything. And so just

766
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,000
based on like their interviews and the last like phone

767
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:22,559
activity that they gathered it seems that Elizabeth had began

768
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:25,519
to walk home that day from Nobod Global, her school.

769
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,880
So on four hundred West is the street the school's

770
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,360
on two, and she was walking to her apartment at

771
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,079
the Branberry. That's four four nine West seven twenty north,

772
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:37,440
not too far right. So I looked it up on

773
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,559
them on Google Maps. Okay, according to Google Navigation. According

774
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:44,920
to Google, it's a seven minute drive and a fifty

775
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,039
four minute walk, unless like paths have changed since this happened.

776
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,119
I listened to a couple of podcasts and they said

777
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:54,679
it was a thirty minute walk. Oh, interesting, But looking

778
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,360
at it today, it's a fifty four minute walk, so

779
00:41:57,519 --> 00:41:59,280
I don't know either way, kind of a long walk.

780
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:03,079
So believed she was heading north after leaving Noman Global,

781
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,639
possibly passing by West Center Street in Provo and twelve

782
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,480
hundred north, so between University Avenue and West five hundred

783
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:12,800
West Street, And if she had been walking, she would

784
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,559
have passed by a construction site. And even though they

785
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,679
both have cameras, neither captured her, like they were facing

786
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,519
the wrong way or they just weren't working, And it

787
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:22,840
would seem that she would have taken major streets home

788
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,920
last of traffic, but somehow, like no surveillance cameras caught her. Interesting, Yeah,

789
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,280
it's weird. So then local media starts picking up Elizabeth's case,

790
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:35,880
and eight days after she went missing, Elizabeth Smart and

791
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:39,239
her father became aware of her case of Elizaveth Salgado.

792
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,239
Do you know who Elizabeth Smart is? Yes? Okay, I

793
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,079
thought you would. But for those that don't know who

794
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:47,840
Elizabeth Smart is, she became an advocate after surviving her

795
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,199
own kidnapping in two thousand and two, which also took

796
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,159
place in Utah in Salt Lake City. She was fourteen

797
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:55,239
years old and she was kidnapped by a man named

798
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,239
Brian Mitchell who her mom had just hired like he

799
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,159
was like homeless on the street and her mom had

800
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:03,400
hired him to like do some cleaning. Very horrible case.

801
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:06,960
She was captive like months, so for a while she

802
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,519
was held outside of the in the ouskirts of Salt

803
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:12,800
Lake City. Then the kidnapper took her to San Diego.

804
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000
And when it was it was the kidnapper and his

805
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,280
wife or girlfriend, I don't remember which of the two

806
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,719
she was, and she, you know, during her captivity, was

807
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,679
abused in several ways horrible, horrible ways. But she was

808
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,840
found alive on March twelve, two thousand and three, and

809
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:30,280
her kidnapping was widely publicized. There's a lot of media

810
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,119
curve in her story, including a book by the Smart Family.

811
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,880
Documentaries shows. She has her own foundation where she works

812
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,880
to end victimization and exploitation of sex year assault through education, healing,

813
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,039
that advocacy. So when she heard about Elizabe Salgado, who

814
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,559
also went missing in Utah, you know where she went

815
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:51,000
missing from, her and her dad immediately got to work.

816
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:52,800
They were like, we're going to bring attention to this.

817
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,800
So they held a media or sorry press They held

818
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,559
a g yeah, press conference, thank you. I was like,

819
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:00,559
what is it called? Why am I blanking on this?

820
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,400
They held a press conference with the Salagado family to

821
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,559
bring more attention to Elizabeth Salgado and it worked because

822
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:10,159
then there was a massive search for Elizabeth. They searched

823
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:13,480
along what would have been her route from school to

824
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,800
her apartment, but they found nothing. While all this is happening,

825
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,280
Elisabeth's parents are stuck in Mexico. Oh my god, they

826
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,039
can't leave. They're waiting for their reasons to be approved,

827
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,360
and it wasn't until the Mexican consulate stepped in to

828
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:35,280
make the process move faster. So finally, after thirteen long days,

829
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,880
her family so her her parents and her brother were

830
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,880
able to make as a provo. And yeah, she had

831
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,000
local family, but of course her parents want to be

832
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,559
searching too, Like I just can't imagine feeling so unable

833
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:49,800
to stuck any yeah, yeah, yeah, And as soon as

834
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,719
they get to provote her family, they immediately get to work.

835
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,880
They go from door to door, they put up flyers

836
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:58,559
trying to find her, and the Saturday Police they're not

837
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:02,440
getting anywhere. There's just no leads, and they end up

838
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,360
investigating her uncles. They end up doing light detectors on

839
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,599
both of them, and they don't do well in them.

840
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:11,119
But we know, like, yeah, they're not really reliable. They're

841
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:15,159
not even admissible as evidence to courts, right, And there's

842
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:18,800
a whole wide amount of reasons why someone would fail

843
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,079
a light detector test, like, yeah, they're just not reliable

844
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,000
because they failed these light detector tests. Like if you

845
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:28,159
look up at leastaves Sagado, like on Reddit, people you'll

846
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:30,599
see a bunch of posts of people like, oh, the

847
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,760
uncles are suspicious, The uncles are weird. There was a

848
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:36,599
I don't remember what who did a documentary on the

849
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:40,639
case disappeared, maybe like you know those channels and friends

850
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:43,000
of channels, I Discovery, I don't know, I don't remember,

851
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:45,119
but there was a documentary where, you know, people are

852
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:47,119
interviewed and people are like, oh, her uncles come off

853
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:49,119
as creepy, like they have it has to be them,

854
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:51,559
It has to be them. But they were fully investigated,

855
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:56,840
bank records, phone records, they fully cooperated with police. They

856
00:45:57,039 --> 00:46:00,320
they gave everything. They were helped like and I hope

857
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,760
that it is common for like the guilty person to

858
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,639
participate in searches too, you know, but they were out

859
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:08,760
here helping searching for her, and they fully cooperated with police.

860
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,599
They gave their phone records, every type of evidence. They

861
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:16,280
didn't like decline anything, you know, And why do people

862
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,519
think they're creepy? Like do you know why? Like why

863
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:20,519
do people think they're weird? People just think they give

864
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,840
a creepy vibe in the documentary, but nothing to explain that,

865
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,039
like no, no, and and that paired with the like

866
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,719
detector tests, people think it was like them, But I

867
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,480
don't know, but there's no evidence, right, now supporting that. No,

868
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:36,880
there's no evidence. There's no evidence, and I'm not one

869
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:39,880
to speculate like that, Oh yeah no when there's no evidence.

870
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,840
So I'm like, leave them alone. They're grieving too, like yeah,

871
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,519
and if they've been cleared, like there's a reason they

872
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:51,039
were cleared. So the investigation into the uncles like slowed

873
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:54,239
down any momentum her case was getting what people donating money,

874
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,920
people trying to help search, Like, people just stop doing

875
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,960
that when the uncles were investigated and it was all publicized,

876
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,719
so the police was like working with the media like

877
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:06,280
updating everyone. So it's just to me, it's sad to

878
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,800
see that, like morning, family members who also want to

879
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,960
help find their knees are still thought it as guilty

880
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,280
right now when you look at this, look this up

881
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,440
like on you know, on Reddit and like you know,

882
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:19,079
internet sleuths like, and it's like it's just unnecessary. Also,

883
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,000
around this time, whenever our uncles received a ransom call

884
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:24,000
and he was fully prepared to give them money, but

885
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:26,039
he did call police on the way to the bank,

886
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:28,400
and they traced the call to somewhere in Texas, and

887
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,840
so this was just a hoax. They didn't have her

888
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,719
so the case began to grow cold. A year had

889
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,679
gone by, Elizabeth's parents decided that they needed to go

890
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,639
back to Mexico to be with the other kids. Two

891
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,440
more years went by, and now we're at May eleventh,

892
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,760
twenty eighteen. Someone was hiking in Hobble Creek trail and

893
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,480
they came across a body. This hiker had gone off

894
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,239
trail for a moment to go pee, and that's when

895
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,920
they saw remains, and they contacted police. Twelve days after

896
00:47:57,039 --> 00:47:59,559
this is when these remains were confirmed to be at

897
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:02,719
least Oh my god. And so now the case is

898
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,960
ruled a homicide. And because of where she was found,

899
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,159
the case was transferred from the Provo Police Department to

900
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,840
the Utah County Sheriff's Office. I did some searching on

901
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,519
the location where she was found. From what I read,

902
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,840
it's a very very very popular hiking trail. Interesting, which

903
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,280
kind of like, what makes you wonder why wasn't she

904
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,679
found before? Right? That was my thought right now too, Yes,

905
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,440
And this is also fifteen miles from where she was

906
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:34,679
last seen, okay, quite a waye fifteen or fifty fifteen

907
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,280
guinte Okay, so like to be to make it the

908
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,119
foot when she didn't have a car, right right, it's

909
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:42,400
a little fire for that, but if you have a car, yeah,

910
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,519
it's not far. So this area is not just used

911
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:50,760
for hiking. It's also like biking, camping, bonfires, And there's

912
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,079
a park at the bottom of this canyon, like it's

913
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,800
a there's a park with picnic tables, like a little

914
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,960
creek type thing, and then you go you can climb

915
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,599
and hike up the trails after them. So like it's

916
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:03,360
a high, high traffic area. So it just seems like

917
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:05,440
if she had been there the entire time, she would

918
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,000
have been found, maybe even with people because she was

919
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:10,079
a little off trail, but even with people like this

920
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:12,320
hiker who had to go pee and that and saw

921
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,079
her immediately, Like you know, it's it's strange. So one

922
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:19,920
more thing that just could be a weird coincidence but

923
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,760
kind of makes you wonder as well, is that the

924
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,480
church group she belonged to, the ward I mentioned earlier,

925
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,159
had an activity at the bottom of the canyon in

926
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,960
the park just like four days before she went missing.

927
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,239
This was, you know how I mentioned the minister brother

928
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,920
unofficial minister brother of the ward was supposed to give

929
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,039
her a ride to this activity and he couldn't because

930
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:41,960
he was sick. This is the activity and it was

931
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:44,400
at the bottom of the creek where she was found.

932
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,159
So she did make it to that or well she

933
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,719
went to the church event. Oh oh, I thought she

934
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,639
didn't make it because he didn't give her a ride.

935
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:56,320
No so much give her a ride? No no, okay, okay, yeah,

936
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,320
but she did go to this thing, this church event,

937
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,960
and yeah, it was at Creek Canyon at the park

938
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,960
there and so unfortunately, whether she was elsewhere and later

939
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:09,000
moved Kreek Kanyon when her remains were found, like, none

940
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:12,320
of this is public information. When the Utah County Sheriff

941
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:16,000
Department took over the case, they've been less cooperative with

942
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,639
the public than the Provo Police department.

943
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:19,199
Speaker 1: Was.

944
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:22,519
Speaker 2: All they released with the autopsy was that for her

945
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,880
teeth were knocked out, oh wow, meaning there was probably

946
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,760
some sort of trauma inflicted to her face. But that's

947
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,800
all they released. They didn't release anything else. For this reason,

948
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,440
the Salagalla family hired a private investigator, Jason Jensen, to

949
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:41,039
look into Elizabeth Sangado's case, and so he does update

950
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,159
the family and the media every once in a while.

951
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,280
So he was the one who found out that Elizabeth

952
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,760
had attended a church event just four days before she

953
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,960
went missing, and that this was at the park at

954
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,079
the bottom of this creek canyon where her body was found.

955
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,159
He's the one who made that public. Okay, he also

956
00:50:57,519 --> 00:50:59,760
shared that and this might be just like a non

957
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,679
issue thing, but he wanted to like make it public anyway.

958
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,760
So in March twenty twenty one, he says that his

959
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,119
team found a penny right in the middle of where

960
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:10,000
her body was found, and that this penny was sent

961
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,519
to a forensics lab by him, and that there was

962
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:15,159
melodna found and of course, like it's a penny. I

963
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:17,360
don't know anyone could have thrown it there. Yeah, I

964
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,639
could just be there and it can be probably honestly

965
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,000
probably not even related. Yeah, and he thinks it is.

966
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,000
And then the sheriff's county says, no, we searched this

967
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:28,880
area and the penny was not there, but it's he

968
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,599
thinks it's suspicious that they didn't say anything until he

969
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,159
says something like, you know, so I don't know it's

970
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:37,039
and I think that's what happens when there's a lot

971
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:41,320
of like different eyes on the case. Yes, different eyes

972
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,320
and then like one group withholding information and one group

973
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:49,960
sharing information. Right, It's just sometimes pis are liars, so

974
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,440
that too, like fame hungry whatever, you know. Yeah, the

975
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,119
family fully trusts him and hopefully he's not shady like

976
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,840
other pis have been known to like make shit up

977
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,559
and yeah. Yeah, so the still grieving family, you know,

978
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,000
they don't have answers on what happened to Elizabeth, and

979
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:10,440
then they got terrible news. Oh morning, okay, sorry, go ahead, Yeah,

980
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:12,119
Oh what were you gonna say. I was just gonna

981
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:14,079
ask if you can remind me what year it was

982
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:17,840
when her body was found. Oh sorry, okay, twenty eighteen,

983
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,119
twenty eighteen. Yeah, but so, you know, they're so grieving,

984
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:23,480
they're still searching for answers on what happened to Alisabeth.

985
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:28,199
And then they learned that Elizabeth's aunt, who also lives

986
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,400
in the area, medium Judith Salgado, went missing in August

987
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,519
twenty twenty one. How can this happen to two people

988
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,199
in the same family and in the same area. Oh

989
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,400
my god, that's too much for a family to handle,

990
00:52:41,679 --> 00:52:44,320
it really is. Her car was found not long after

991
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,239
she went missing on sheep Bridge Road, which is not

992
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,559
that far from where Elizabeth was found, about three miles

993
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:56,920
south of Creek Canyon is this bridge, sheep Bridge Road,

994
00:52:57,079 --> 00:52:59,360
that's where her car was found, and there were no

995
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,280
signs of her. And then on March twenty twenty three,

996
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:05,679
police responded to a call about human remains in the

997
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,480
area of Sheep Bridge, so again three miles south of

998
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,880
Hubble Creek Canyon where Elizabeth was found, and so based

999
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,159
on the belongings found on scene, they said, we suspect

1000
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:20,360
that this is medium, and then a few days later

1001
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,559
the autopsy confirmed it was medium. Salgado. The police did

1002
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:29,159
say there was no suspicious circumstances in regards to her death,

1003
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,119
but that the case was still under investigation. But I

1004
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:35,760
mean like her car being found without her in it

1005
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,760
and then her found later, Yeah, it was it years later,

1006
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:43,559
in the months. Okay, sorry, oh no, sorry a couple years.

1007
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,639
I knew it was years because I actually said thank you. Yeah,

1008
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:49,519
I just looked at my notes again. Yeah, that's strange.

1009
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:54,920
It is very strange, but also like it's two family members,

1010
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:59,960
same area. Yeah, it's terrible for the family. This case

1011
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:03,079
is apparently still in their investigation. There's no other news

1012
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:07,239
on it. But yeah, another blow to a grieving family. Yeah,

1013
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,960
and they were growing more and more upset with the investigation.

1014
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,280
They requested that Elizabeth's body be sent to a different

1015
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,280
lab who actually reached out to them that they have

1016
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:22,320
like they can find more with certain tests or something

1017
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,639
like that. But also like I mean, at this point,

1018
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:29,559
they're probably desperate because the sheriff department isn't sharing any information. Yeah,

1019
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,159
so they want her sent to a different lab, but

1020
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:37,760
the Utah County Sheriff's office refused the request. They cleared

1021
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,599
her uncles again as suspects in twenty twenty two, even

1022
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:44,719
though they had already been cleared by the Provo Police Department.

1023
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:47,239
So I'm like, I don't know. I guess they wanted

1024
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,280
to do their own investigation or redo everything. I don't know,

1025
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,400
but the family is not happy. They they're not being

1026
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,440
told what's going on. They want her sent somewhere else

1027
00:54:57,519 --> 00:54:59,880
for more test scene and you know a lot of

1028
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:03,239
times tests are done and then like the sample was

1029
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,880
so small that like the only one test could be run.

1030
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,880
So it could be that they just don't have more

1031
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,239
to send. I don't know, but they are more suspicious

1032
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:16,760
because the police is more withholding the Sheriff's department. So

1033
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:20,719
Jason Jensen, the private investigator, he shared a new lead.

1034
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,719
There was a coworker of Elizabeth that came forward, and

1035
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,199
he says that he thinks his coworker did something. But

1036
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,039
there's no more information on this at least, like it's

1037
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:31,559
not public. Jason Jensen, you know, like I said earlier,

1038
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:33,880
he was the one who found out about the church

1039
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,280
event four days earlier before she went missing, that was

1040
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,280
at Hobble Creek Kenyon, and he and the family both

1041
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,559
believe that there's something there, that that event has something

1042
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:46,679
to do with her going missing. But this was not

1043
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,760
the last time she was seen, right, It wasn't the

1044
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,039
last time she was seeing But they believe there's a

1045
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:55,280
connection and she was found there right exactly. He shares

1046
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,639
that he found out she made plans to return to

1047
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,559
the park with someone, like a date or something. So

1048
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:03,840
they had been unable to find out who this was,

1049
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:07,079
just that she had these plans and so that's why

1050
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,000
they think this event and someone who was at the

1051
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:13,480
event possibly has something to do or knows something. They

1052
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:16,599
highly suspect her murder has something to do with whoever

1053
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,280
she wasp was to meet after the church event, but

1054
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,639
like today, to this day, her and her aunt's case

1055
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,440
are both unsolved. Wow, and she was last seen. Elizabeth

1056
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:30,760
was last seen wearing a red shirt, blue jeans, jean jacket,

1057
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,880
tall boots. She was carrying a book bag with a

1058
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,599
red strap. She was twenty six when she went missing.

1059
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,199
She had long hair, long black hair, brown eyes. She

1060
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,280
was between five four and five five. She would have

1061
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,920
been seen last seen walking north from Provo Center Street.

1062
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,119
Her family, Jason Jensen, and the police are all asking

1063
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:53,239
people like if anyone was in the area between West

1064
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,320
Center Street and twelve hundred North and saw a young

1065
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,159
Mexican woman, and they would have seen anything, even if

1066
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:01,239
it seemed like nothing at the time, Like you know,

1067
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,039
they're urging people to think back and you know, trying

1068
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,039
to remember anything if they saw her wave at someone,

1069
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:09,960
run into someone, get into a car, anything even if

1070
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,679
missing normal to contact the Utah County Sheriff Department at

1071
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,559
eight zero one eight five to one four thousand or

1072
00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:22,079
Jason Jensen at eight zero one seven five nine two

1073
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:24,280
two four eight. And I'm going to share these numbers

1074
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,400
in the show notes. You never know who could have

1075
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,000
been there, Yeah, could have seen literally anything her family

1076
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:33,480
and Jason Jensen, they're both hopeful that either someone who

1077
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:36,440
attended the specific church function that she was at at

1078
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:39,599
Kelly Grove Park will remember anything, or even just someone

1079
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:41,880
who was at the park that day. It's a busy park.

1080
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:44,440
Someone could have information that is crucial to solve in

1081
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,079
her case, anyone that took pictures that day or couldn't

1082
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:50,000
recall anything about the day. It would have been April twelfth,

1083
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:53,320
twenty fifteen, because it was four days before she went missing.

1084
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:57,639
So Libertan Salgado, her mom, has been talking to the media,

1085
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:00,440
has been very outspoken about her her daughter going and

1086
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:02,159
she has said that one of the things that has

1087
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:05,199
been more the most difficult is that her daughter chose

1088
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,199
Provo because she felt she would be safe there, that

1089
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,800
she she would have been surrounded by members of the

1090
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,400
same faith, and that she believes that it was a

1091
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:16,039
member of someone of that same faith that did this

1092
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:18,920
to her daughter. And so she has said the following,

1093
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:20,840
I am not going to surrender. I want to find

1094
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,599
the killer. I want justice. I want justice. I have

1095
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:26,440
been suffering for years and I will not be content

1096
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:29,440
until the police find her killer. And that is the

1097
00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:33,719
case of Elisave Salgado. Wow, and it's just it's so like,

1098
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,079
I can't say any better than her own mom said

1099
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:39,639
it in her words, But it is truly, truly, just

1100
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,360
so sad that she chose the city because she thought

1101
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,519
it was safe, because a community would have been there

1102
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:48,599
for her and you know, in her faith. Yeah, and

1103
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,599
just not even a month, like literally eighteen days, yeah,

1104
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:56,239
went by and she was never seen again. Like, yeah,

1105
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,719
that's terrible. Very that is the end of my parents.

1106
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:06,519
To be quick at break and we're back. This is

1107
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,079
the part where we share speak you recommendations. Do you

1108
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,920
have any Well I did already mention this book in

1109
00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:19,559
Issadia's Unknown, but yes, I recommend Killers of the Flower Moon.

1110
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,400
I didn't read the regular version because my library only

1111
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:27,400
had the version adopted for young readers. But it was

1112
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,599
still good. It was still very interesting, very eye opening,

1113
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:36,559
just truly horrible. The depths of white people in that

1114
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,760
time truly horrific people, honestly, like and we know, right,

1115
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,239
we know the history, we know the genocide and colonization,

1116
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,559
and just you know, the book does not shine away

1117
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:49,320
from talking about those things. And you know the role

1118
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,639
that it had in white people believing they were Superior

1119
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,920
from Indigenous People and yeah, I mean I just really

1120
00:59:56,039 --> 00:59:58,280
recommend that book and I hope to watch the movie

1121
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,679
one day when I visit my friend who Apple TV. Yeah, yeah,

1122
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,559
I don't have any speaky recommendations. I haven't been watching

1123
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:10,000
anything new. I decided to finally watch X Files, so

1124
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:13,159
I'm in season two now. Interesting. I never really watched

1125
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:16,039
that either. Yeah, I didn't either, but MJ talked about

1126
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:18,480
it so much Shadow, m Jay, we miss you, and

1127
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:20,119
so I'm like, you know what, I'm finally gonna watch it.

1128
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:25,000
And I love Molder, you know really the actor David Yeah,

1129
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,000
I know we have different tastes, but I do love him. Yes, okay,

1130
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:31,639
so I'm watching, well for both of them, they're both great.

1131
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:34,960
So I'm watching. I like the actress, oh okay, yeah,

1132
01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:37,159
and she's amazing. I think she looks even better now

1133
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:40,639
in her years now. I'm like, how is that possible? Seriously,

1134
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,800
I wonder the same thing. She's truly truly gorgeous, like

1135
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,480
I yeah, wow on oh sorry, I'm gonna go like

1136
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:50,960
on a little side note, but have you heard all

1137
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,719
of the rumors of the show and about them too

1138
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,000
when it was filmy Yeah, I love that I don't

1139
01:00:57,159 --> 01:00:59,760
know that they hate each other, right, Okay, so no,

1140
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,840
there was like they hated each other. But also apparently

1141
01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:05,440
so there's a there's uh I think it was like

1142
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:07,639
the Empty Viewers or a show I don't remember what

1143
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,920
award show that they're like they won, and so there's

1144
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,239
a part like one of them wins. Who was it?

1145
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:16,599
I think it was him, and then he like turns

1146
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:18,599
to like hug her and then they like make out

1147
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,079
in the audience and he goes to get some ward

1148
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,719
like it was either in front of her husband or

1149
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,079
his wife. Yeah, I think it was her husband if

1150
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:30,000
I remember, yes, yes, Like it's just so funny that

1151
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:31,920
they like hitted each other, but then they were like

1152
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,039
hooking up and then like now when they talk, they

1153
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:38,519
still they're like very close. They're very close friends. Still.

1154
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:42,039
I saw this thread on Twitter that was like they

1155
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:46,000
had the most like ridiculous, most freaky photo shoots, Like

1156
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:48,639
if you look up photo shoots that they've been together, Yeah,

1157
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:51,519
there's one where she's like standing on his shoulders, and

1158
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:53,800
it just doesn't make sense for like the magazines that

1159
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,320
they're like doing these photo shoots. So honestly, I just

1160
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,760
I love the drama behind both of them and the

1161
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,679
sh show, and so that's why I was like, I'm

1162
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:03,880
gonna watch this more now, like I'm actually gonna try

1163
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,960
and watch it because yeah, like we love cheese, man,

1164
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,039
we love drama, and the cheese may between these two

1165
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:11,000
and the drama was there, it was it was popping,

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and so that was one of my main reasons for

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01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:16,920
wanting to watch The X Files. So maybe I'll watch

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01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:17,199
it too.

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01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:17,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1170
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. I mean it's like, you know, creepy,

1171
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,880
creepy topics and like I said, I love a cupaganda show.

1172
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,679
Like I'm not gonna lie like I do criminal mind,

1173
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,000
Like yeah, so this is this is a little better

1174
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:33,679
because they are investigating the paranormal, right, and they're both hot,

1175
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,079
like they were just like hot people. So I'm not

1176
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:38,880
saying he's not hot. I'm just saying that he didn't

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01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,079
do it for me, Okay generally good looking man, yeah

1178
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,039
for others, for others, not free for me. Yes, yeah

1179
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:47,840
yeah yeah. So yeah, that's why I'm watching it. And

1180
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,199
it's been great. It's been a great rite. I love it. Well,

1181
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:52,559
I'm glad you're enjoying that. I am. I am and

1182
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:54,679
there's a lot of seasons, so it's gonna keep me

1183
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,239
busy for a while. What's my lou doing?

1184
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: This?

1185
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:59,599
Speaker 2: Can't be comfortable. He's sitting but he has one arm

1186
01:02:59,679 --> 01:03:03,199
like this. He looks chilling. Just yeah, kind of. Oh

1187
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,239
he's so cute. Okay, well, I guess this is a

1188
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,679
good place to wrap up. We are finally recording our

1189
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:11,320
book Club episode next week, so it'll be out the

1190
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,000
week after that. What else will be recording that? It'll

1191
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,880
be out next next week. Probably we'll announce our new

1192
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,119
book then. But maybe should we just like tell everyone

1193
01:03:20,199 --> 01:03:21,960
we did pick it? We did? It was Being at

1194
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:28,000
that right, Yes, Being at that by Leopold Sorry little

1195
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:33,559
Lipold out goat No, sorry I did not its spelled

1196
01:03:33,639 --> 01:03:35,880
g g o U T. I thought there was an

1197
01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:38,679
L in there. Oh, anyway, that's the book being at that, Like,

1198
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,840
there's no missing it. It's not a long book, so

1199
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,239
maybe we'll get through it faster, you know. Yeah, I'm

1200
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,239
gonna actually not start in a toy finish Love in

1201
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,599
the Time of Cholera. I need to finish that. I'm

1202
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:53,480
not starting it until we record our book Club episode

1203
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:56,639
at least. So yes, that is the book, though, for

1204
01:03:56,719 --> 01:03:59,480
anyone that wants to get a head started, right, you

1205
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:01,599
shouldn't because we take so long, but you know you

1206
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:04,000
should not. Yeah, yeah, we'll do whatever you want. And

1207
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:07,599
then what else? We should record a Patreon episode, an

1208
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:10,360
actual Patreon episode same time too. We haven't done that.

1209
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,000
Our last Patreon thing was our Denver vlog, which is

1210
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:15,840
fun if anyone wants to check that out. Yeah, and

1211
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:19,800
I'm gonna be making stickers. I made one or two

1212
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,480
designs already to send out to the Patreon members, but

1213
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:24,880
I probably won't send those out until a week next

1214
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,880
week probably, so when this comes out, I'll probably probably

1215
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,119
be sending them out. Any new listeners that maybe found

1216
01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:35,000
us because of my threads posts or you know, wherever

1217
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:39,079
social media. Sometimes I try and promote you know, yeah,

1218
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,679
so welcome. You know, if you stuck around. I did

1219
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,880
see someone's message Kyrid. Are they say, oh I said

1220
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,679
it to you today from last When this comes out,

1221
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:49,880
it will be last week's episode.

1222
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: Yes.

1223
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. They had commentation on the threads posts that I made,

1224
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,920
just kind of introducing us. And we're like, hy, we're

1225
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,960
the host of the Betels, Carmen and Christina. We're twins.

1226
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,480
We're from Oakland slash modesto very generous and then I

1227
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:02,159
posted a picture and a bunch of people found it,

1228
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,760
and so one person today she tagged us on Threads

1229
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,039
and said what she got out from the episode is

1230
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,320
that she wants to hang out with Martha everywhere, Like

1231
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,719
she's gonna take Martha everywhere. Shout out Martha, Shout out Martha.

1232
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,039
She is super cool. I'm not gonna lie. She was fun.

1233
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:19,559
I loved having her on. It was fun. It's very

1234
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:23,119
scary stories. So yeah, anyone that found us through through

1235
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,119
Threads in the past, you know a couple of weeks, welcome.

1236
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,119
I hope that you enjoyed the episodes and that brings

1237
01:05:29,239 --> 01:05:33,000
us to the end of the episode. Thank you everyone.

1238
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:37,800
And I don't know if you're ever in Baja California

1239
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,440
and you're like on that road, make that voyage la

1240
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:46,280
was it our Garitaita? Yes? Yeah, and go see her.

1241
01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:49,400
She deserves a trip. I want to go stay homage

1242
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:55,000
to Yes, yes, and stay a spookybo Catch everyone next time.

1243
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:56,280
Bye bye,