1
00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,799
Speaker 1: Wmnh rip thes.

2
00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,560
Speaker 2: Was it easy being greedy? Did it ever cross your

3
00:00:11,759 --> 00:00:17,000
mind to think I want? Might be pacing, waiting on

4
00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:20,239
the phone, the ring and you kiss me so you

5
00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,199
miss me? But I can tell that something has changed.

6
00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:29,800
There's a sadness, calous pain that's driving you away.

7
00:00:30,039 --> 00:00:32,200
Speaker 1: You breathing now you're leaving.

8
00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:35,560
Speaker 3: It's the last time you walked down my door, and

9
00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,399
now I'm crying in my bedroom? Was it I just

10
00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,039
something I fell for?

11
00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,280
Speaker 1: Afraid that awake up?

12
00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,280
Speaker 3: And just like that, it's all the memory breathing.

13
00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:52,799
Speaker 1: Fol used to be this.

14
00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:58,399
Speaker 4: We're over enclosure, But I still hope you think about

15
00:00:58,479 --> 00:01:02,880
all the good times, the late nights walking through that

16
00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:08,480
old beach town gottapunder. If your murther ever asks about

17
00:01:08,519 --> 00:01:09,879
how I'm doing now?

18
00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,280
Speaker 1: Is she happy? Are you happy?

19
00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,480
Speaker 3: You're feeling like the big man now?

20
00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:18,879
Speaker 1: Pleading my feelings because.

21
00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:20,959
Speaker 3: The last time you walked on.

22
00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,719
Speaker 1: My norse was crying in my bedroom? Ho it U

23
00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:31,120
just something of a bar braying shame in just like that?

24
00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:52,359
I never be what didy very great.

25
00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,760
Speaker 5: Across your heart and thy easy, very greed?

26
00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,680
Speaker 2: Was it easy to love me? Was it easy to

27
00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,199
touch me? Was it easy to leave.

28
00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:57,599
Speaker 1: Me.

29
00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:02,879
Speaker 6: That is catchy as hell. That is Greedy. That's the

30
00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,120
name of the track. That is Cammy next, and we're

31
00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,000
going to talk with Cammy in just a moment. Welcome everybody.

32
00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,439
This is Matt Connorton Unleashed. We have entered our number

33
00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:15,000
three New Marrow Trace on this Saturday, July five, twenty

34
00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,240
twenty five. Thank you all for joining us. And Jenny

35
00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,879
is here, of course, is at the news table, presented

36
00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,560
accounted for. I think I almost at news Desko seeing

37
00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,879
old school. It's a table and uh let's see Campy here.

38
00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,919
Bring Cammy on here, Cammy are you there?

39
00:03:31,199 --> 00:03:32,520
Speaker 3: Hi? Yes, I'm here.

40
00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,199
Speaker 6: Welcome to the program. We just started using Google Teams recently,

41
00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,919
so it's still a little bit of an adventure.

42
00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,159
Speaker 3: So okay, cool.

43
00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:42,719
Speaker 6: So I'm always relieved when the guest is connected and

44
00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:45,479
everything's good. Welcome to the show. I love that song Greedy.

45
00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,680
It's very very catchy.

46
00:03:47,719 --> 00:03:49,840
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and thank you for having me.

47
00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:54,680
Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely. Uh So, where are you from?

48
00:03:54,719 --> 00:03:57,599
Speaker 3: Originally Columbus, Ohio, but I live in Nashville.

49
00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,400
Speaker 6: Now, okay, okay, what's it like living in Nashville? Because

50
00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,759
you know, we've had we've had a lot of guests

51
00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,639
on the show who have traveled there, but you know,

52
00:04:07,639 --> 00:04:09,479
maybe to spend a weekend or a week there. But

53
00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:11,919
I don't think we've had anybody on the show who

54
00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,160
lives there currently. And obviously Nashville known for being for music.

55
00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:17,879
I mean, is is it a lot of pressure there

56
00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:21,120
living there and being a part of the scene there

57
00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:21,920
or what's that like?

58
00:04:22,879 --> 00:04:26,639
Speaker 3: It is definitely interesting, there's a lot of pressure, but

59
00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,240
more so I just say it's very saturated, so it's

60
00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:33,959
really really difficult to get your foot in the door.

61
00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:36,839
But at the same time, because it's so saturated, there's

62
00:04:36,879 --> 00:04:38,959
so many people to work with and so many people

63
00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,600
to network with. Yeah, and it's such a good community

64
00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,279
of people, but it is very tricky to kind of

65
00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:49,519
get going and get a name for yourself.

66
00:04:49,959 --> 00:04:52,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would imagine. I would imagine it is. But

67
00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,839
that's that's a great place to be for what you're doing,

68
00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,319
and it's it might cut against some of the ideas,

69
00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:00,920
some of the preconceptions too that people have Nashville, because

70
00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,600
you know, a lot of people when they hear Nashville,

71
00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,319
especially people not in the industry, they think of country music.

72
00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,720
But it's more than just country music, And obviously you

73
00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,800
know what you're doing is in country. I don't know

74
00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,959
if you have any country songs, but but really, I

75
00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,839
mean there's all kinds of music happening there, and there's

76
00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:17,639
all kinds of connections you can make and people to

77
00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:18,040
work with.

78
00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,680
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, definitely. I think it has the stigma that

79
00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,319
it's country music because that's what it started as. But

80
00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:27,920
it's really any in every genre. And it is more

81
00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:31,480
so just the music city, as people call it, and

82
00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:35,959
this is where everyone comes to record, even non country people.

83
00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,480
They all record in the studios here or work with

84
00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,000
people here, or have session players from Nashville. Because these

85
00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,959
people are very talented and they can play any genre.

86
00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:49,959
They can do anything. So yeah, it's it's any genre really.

87
00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:51,800
Speaker 6: Absolutely. How long have you lived there?

88
00:05:52,879 --> 00:05:55,160
Speaker 3: This is my sixth year living here.

89
00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,480
Speaker 6: Oh believe, Oh you've been there a long time? Okay, great? Great?

90
00:05:59,399 --> 00:06:02,199
Speaker 3: Ye I went to college here, So I moved when

91
00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:03,000
I was seventeen.

92
00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,920
Speaker 6: Oh outstanding? Okay? Was greedy? Was that recorded there? See?

93
00:06:08,959 --> 00:06:09,279
It was?

94
00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

95
00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,279
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, very cool. Now what about so you started

96
00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:18,279
pretty young? I would imagine you're from Ohio. Originally you said, right, yes,

97
00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:22,399
were you involved in music before moving to Nashville. I assume.

98
00:06:22,439 --> 00:06:23,959
I mean, I know you moved there for school, but

99
00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:27,079
growing up you said, was a Columbus, Ohio.

100
00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,240
Speaker 3: You said, yeah, Columbus, Ohio. I grew up there and

101
00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:35,920
was definitely involved in music, and specifically musical theater. I

102
00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,720
did a lot of that as a kid in like

103
00:06:37,959 --> 00:06:41,319
growing up and in all throughout my life in high

104
00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,399
school everything I was known as like the musical kid

105
00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:47,800
in my town. And I ran all the music programs.

106
00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,959
I was the president of all these different choirs and

107
00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,800
small ensembles, and I did all the community theater shows

108
00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:57,439
and this, that and the other. So I was definitely

109
00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,439
musically inclined from a very young age and that just

110
00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:05,240
kind of became my thing. And I didn't really do sports.

111
00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,160
It was always just music. And so I made the

112
00:07:08,199 --> 00:07:10,879
decision to Originally I was going to go to college

113
00:07:10,879 --> 00:07:13,600
for musical theater because I thought that I liked that,

114
00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,720
but I then quickly realized I just liked the singing

115
00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:20,240
part of it. I didn't care about the acting or

116
00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,920
the dancing. I just wanted some like someplace to sing

117
00:07:22,959 --> 00:07:26,439
in front of people. Sure, So then I pivoted and

118
00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,160
moved to Nashville to do music.

119
00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:30,560
Speaker 6: No, that makes sense, but yeah, I mean doing music

120
00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,079
that was clearly inevitable, you know, given you your background

121
00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,000
and everything that you did growing up. So so that's

122
00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,560
that's great. Now, how many? So you have several singles out?

123
00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,279
I know, have you have you recorded an album or

124
00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:45,759
an EP yet or is that on your radar?

125
00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:50,639
Speaker 3: It's not currently on my radar. I have four singles

126
00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,959
out right now, and I'm kind of just riding the

127
00:07:54,079 --> 00:07:59,519
singles wave because I think as a smaller independent artist,

128
00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,800
it's pretty difficult to put out an EP or an

129
00:08:02,879 --> 00:08:07,079
album and expect people to listen to the whole thing. Yeah,

130
00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,800
because that's a lot easier when you have a big

131
00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:11,959
following and people want to sit down and listen to it.

132
00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,319
But I would rather create singles and put them out

133
00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,199
one at a time and give them a bunch of

134
00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,279
attention or as much as I can, and that way

135
00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:23,319
they get kind of the spotlight for a second, rather

136
00:08:23,439 --> 00:08:26,560
than putting out like a forty five minute long album

137
00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:28,920
and hoping that people will listen to it.

138
00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that makes sense. It's a lot of

139
00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,360
artists it's very important to them to do to do albums,

140
00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,159
but there's I don't remember who it was we were

141
00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:39,879
talking to about this, but we had a guest on

142
00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:43,080
the show recently talking about how when you put out

143
00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,279
an album, it's like, you know, in terms of algorithms,

144
00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,519
like on Spotify, for example, you get that initial boost

145
00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,320
of okay, here's something new. You know, it might show

146
00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:55,600
up in your suggestions, here's something you might like, whether

147
00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:58,720
it be Spotify or even on YouTube or wherever. But yeah,

148
00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,480
but you get that big bump, that little not even

149
00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,559
a big bump, but you get that little extra push

150
00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:07,519
once with the album and then that's it. Whereas if

151
00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,639
you just release a series of singles. With every single,

152
00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:16,080
you get that little push algorithmically speaking, and so that

153
00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,039
ends up being a little bit of a more sustainable strategy.

154
00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,200
Although some of the guests too that we've had on

155
00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,360
the show recently, they've kind of inverted, you know, because

156
00:09:25,399 --> 00:09:28,720
the old approach, you know, sort of pre internet, was

157
00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,879
you release an album and then a series of singles

158
00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:33,600
to radio, and some artists now they release a series

159
00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:38,440
of singles that eventually coalesce into an album or any exactly. Yeah,

160
00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:38,799
but what.

161
00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:41,759
Speaker 3: You're doing I think that's more than norm I think

162
00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:44,440
now as people putting out singles and then they release

163
00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,720
like an EP, but it's just all of the singles

164
00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:47,600
they've already put out.

165
00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now in terms of you, in terms

166
00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:54,679
of your songs, the songs that you've put out, are

167
00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,000
these all written by you or do you have I'm

168
00:09:57,039 --> 00:10:00,639
really curious about this, especially given where you are graphically,

169
00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,919
because you have so many you know, you're just surrounded

170
00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:06,799
by all kinds of talent. So I'm curious about your

171
00:10:06,799 --> 00:10:09,600
process and who you collaborate with or maybe you do

172
00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:11,600
it all your own. I don't know, but I'm really

173
00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:12,320
interested in that.

174
00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:13,960
Speaker 7: Yeah.

175
00:10:14,039 --> 00:10:17,600
Speaker 3: I write all of my own songs that are currently out.

176
00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:21,480
I've some of them have co writers on them, so

177
00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,639
people that I worked with, but a few of them

178
00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,000
were fully just written by me. Start to finish, and

179
00:10:29,039 --> 00:10:33,399
then I have a recording studio in town. There's two

180
00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,840
producers there that I work with, and I bring them

181
00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,679
my songs, play it for them and see what they think,

182
00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,720
and then they help me bring it to life and

183
00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:43,320
make it what it ends up being.

184
00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:44,960
Speaker 8: And we do.

185
00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:49,120
Speaker 3: Everything in house. It's all real instruments, like we play.

186
00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,960
It's the two guys and then myself I play a

187
00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,919
few instruments, and so we between the three of us

188
00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,639
can play every instrument that we need for the track.

189
00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,440
We record it live and have real instruments, real players, everything,

190
00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,679
and then they mix and master it for me. And

191
00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,440
that's kind of been our process for a while. However,

192
00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,000
I have a single coming out in August, and it's

193
00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,679
the first time I'm releasing a song that I had

194
00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,240
no part in writing. I took a cut from some

195
00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:24,000
friends that I have that are professional songwriters, and I

196
00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,559
kind of started to explore this idea of I don't

197
00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,000
have to do everything myself. I can just be the

198
00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,399
artist or just be the performer. And there are many

199
00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,320
talented songwriters here, obviously, and that's what people in the

200
00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:43,159
real industry do. These huge, famous people are not writing

201
00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,200
their songs themselves. They have ten fifteen people helping them

202
00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,360
write songs, or they don't even write them at all,

203
00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,639
and they get these cuts from very talented songwriters. So

204
00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:56,759
I tried that out and I really liked how the

205
00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:00,799
song turned out. So my next single is fully just

206
00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,120
written by other people.

207
00:12:02,519 --> 00:12:06,440
Speaker 6: Okay, interesting, was it hard to take that step? I mean,

208
00:12:06,639 --> 00:12:10,039
was that something did you? Did you go into that

209
00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,600
saying no maybe I will try this and see what happens.

210
00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,200
Or was it more like, like, did you have to

211
00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,320
be kind of coaxed into it? Because that's got to

212
00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,639
be because that's a big shift, right because, like you said,

213
00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,080
you were used to doing everything yourself, which gives you

214
00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,679
a lot of autonomy and control over your material. And

215
00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:28,080
to take that step and do something that someone else wrote,

216
00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,960
was that difficult or did it? Did it come naturally

217
00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:31,799
or what was that? Like?

218
00:12:32,919 --> 00:12:35,639
Speaker 3: I think it really came naturally. It was my idea.

219
00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:38,720
I kind of put feelers out and let people in

220
00:12:38,759 --> 00:12:41,840
the industry know, hey, I'm open to cuts. If you

221
00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,600
have songs that you aren't going to cut or you

222
00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,240
don't have anybody to cut them, send them not my way,

223
00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,960
and I'll listen to them and if they fit my vibe,

224
00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,360
my overall kind of genre that I'm building for myself.

225
00:12:56,799 --> 00:12:58,919
And I took them to my producers too, and we

226
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,440
kind of listened to them together because they know my style,

227
00:13:02,039 --> 00:13:05,440
and we decided which ones fit me, which ones didn't

228
00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,039
fit me, and then narrowed it down to the song

229
00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,000
that's going to come out. And I honestly think it

230
00:13:12,039 --> 00:13:14,840
wasn't that difficult because I grew up my whole life,

231
00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:18,519
obviously doing theater, and I was in lots of cover

232
00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,639
bands and things like that, so I grew up singing

233
00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,200
other people's songs my whole life. It really wasn't that different.

234
00:13:25,399 --> 00:13:27,399
And if it's a good song at the end of

235
00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,519
the day, I think that's all that matters. And yeah,

236
00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,960
it wasn't. It really wasn't a hard process. It kind

237
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,360
of made it more enjoyable because I wasn't scrutinizing it

238
00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:41,639
as much as if it were my own songwriting. I'm

239
00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,360
much more like, oh, does this sound stupid? I wrote this,

240
00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,000
These words are probably dumb. But since somebody else wrote

241
00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:52,679
it and I very much enjoyed their songwriting already, I

242
00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,679
just sang it and liked it from.

243
00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:56,480
Speaker 6: The start, that makes sense. So it sounds like it

244
00:13:56,519 --> 00:14:00,600
was kind of liberating in a way. Yeah, that's very cool.

245
00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,759
You mentioned too, So I noticed you went out of

246
00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:06,440
your way to put extra emphasis on talking about how

247
00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:11,399
everything that you do it's played by real people, real musicians.

248
00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:13,960
And it makes me curious because one of the things

249
00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,120
that we talk about on the show a lot, because

250
00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,759
we have a lot of sort of industry centric, shall

251
00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:22,360
we say, conversations on the show is we talk a

252
00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,919
lot about AI, the use of AI and music and whatnot,

253
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,080
and I'm curious. I suspect based on what you've said

254
00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,399
that this might be something that you're concerned about, So

255
00:14:34,559 --> 00:14:37,200
I'd like to get your thoughts on that, or maybe

256
00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,840
there's another dimension to it. But I'm really interested because,

257
00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,679
like I said, you went out of your way to

258
00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,679
tell us you know, this is all real, so obviously

259
00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,399
there's no none of these parts were created by AI

260
00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,320
and any of your songs. So I'm curious if you

261
00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,360
have if you have further thoughts on that that you

262
00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:53,039
like to share.

263
00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:57,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because my kind of stance on that

264
00:14:57,919 --> 00:15:01,639
started even before AI I kind of joined the picture.

265
00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:07,080
I was always looking for what my niche was in

266
00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,480
the industry, Like I think everybody has their thing that

267
00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:15,080
makes them unique and their genre or it's their sound

268
00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,360
or this, that and the other. And I realized that

269
00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:21,639
I think what makes me unique is that our music

270
00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:28,440
is very commercial, it's very commercially successful, but it's all real.

271
00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,759
And in today's day, most music is not real. It's

272
00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:37,440
all done digitally or it can be done digitally. And

273
00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,360
I went to college here and there were so many

274
00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:44,919
people at my school who made full songs in their

275
00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,559
dorm rooms on their laptop and you would never know

276
00:15:47,679 --> 00:15:51,720
that they did it by themselves at midnight, just on

277
00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:57,080
their computer. And I wanted something that made us stand out.

278
00:15:57,159 --> 00:15:59,960
And I realized, like, hey, we play all of this

279
00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:02,240
for real, and I don't think a lot of people

280
00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,159
do that, and I think that's something we should emphasize

281
00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,000
and tell people, is like this is real. Like this

282
00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,399
there's someone sitting there actually playing the drums. Every single

283
00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,759
beat that you hear, he played it, and that's impressive.

284
00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,840
And I went to school with so many talented musicians,

285
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,200
and I was starting to realize these people like won't

286
00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,240
be needed if we continue down this path. And I

287
00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:29,279
think there's something special about someone actually playing it, and

288
00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:33,039
especially live. You can't have a live show if someone's

289
00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,600
not actually playing the instrument, you know. And now it's

290
00:16:37,799 --> 00:16:41,200
turned to AI and it is insane what they can

291
00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:46,120
do and make, you know, a whole song or parts

292
00:16:46,159 --> 00:16:49,399
of a song. So yeah, that's kind of become my

293
00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:53,759
shtick and my nichees saying like, hey, this is real,

294
00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,720
so just keep that in consideration when you're listening to it.

295
00:16:56,759 --> 00:16:59,240
Like some guy sat down and played every note on

296
00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:02,600
that guitar that you're hearing. So I think that deserves

297
00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:07,400
some it deserves to be shouted out and you know, yeah,

298
00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:08,160
get the credit.

299
00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,160
Speaker 6: And so even the drums are live.

300
00:17:11,519 --> 00:17:14,920
Speaker 3: The drums are live, the bass, the guitar, everything. We

301
00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:19,680
usually stack it from the bottom, so he'll will record

302
00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,880
the drums first, and he does that fully with no

303
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,759
other instruments, Like he sits down and will play the

304
00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,000
entire song from start to finish, just on the drums

305
00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,799
and with a really crappy demo that we made, and

306
00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:36,000
he can pull out an entire song on the drums,

307
00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:38,880
and then we build it from the bottom up. So bass, guitar.

308
00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:42,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that's great, and that's you know, that's how

309
00:17:42,759 --> 00:17:45,279
it used to always be done. Although the reason I

310
00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:48,000
asked Sid about the drums specifically is because I've been

311
00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:52,799
surprised at various points when you know, even even stuff

312
00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:56,160
that was recorded in the eighties that I assumed, you know,

313
00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:00,400
just you know, hard rock songs that you know, a

314
00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,160
little research, and I learned that you know, this was

315
00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,440
pre AI, but but obviously this was you know, we're

316
00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,119
talking about eighties even early nineties rock where it's like,

317
00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,000
oh no, they actually did that with a with a

318
00:18:13,079 --> 00:18:15,880
drum machine. Those weren't real drums, and it's like, wow,

319
00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,279
that's uh, you know, it's kind of impressive in a

320
00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:20,759
way that they were able to create something so real.

321
00:18:20,839 --> 00:18:24,519
But at the same time, it's like sometimes it's sometimes

322
00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:26,640
if you do a little digging, you'll be really surprised

323
00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,519
at how much was was not real drums. Yeah, and

324
00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:32,079
of course now you can do that with everything.

325
00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. I think it is insane, you know,

326
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,960
you would assume those things were all real. But yeah,

327
00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:41,359
drum machines were huge in the eighties, so a lot

328
00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,400
of those songs are just programmed and we play everything

329
00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,640
live maybe here and there they'll get he well, actually,

330
00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,079
I mean we use samples, but there's samples that they'll

331
00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,599
make themselves. So yeah, if a tom that he hit

332
00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,920
during the track wasn't strong enough, he'll go hit the

333
00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,400
tom one time, take that recording and put it right

334
00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,119
over the one that maybe he flubbed a little bit,

335
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,279
so it's still him playing it. But oh yeah, yeah,

336
00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:09,680
that's how you like have to really fix stuff if

337
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:10,519
it's real, you know.

338
00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:13,240
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, you gotta do overdubs. I mean there's

339
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,240
no get there's no getting it. Yeah. Absolutely, but that's

340
00:19:17,319 --> 00:19:20,599
just that's just part of the process. Has it been

341
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,680
so has it been done that way with every all

342
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,720
of the singles that you've released, it's all been done

343
00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:25,640
done that same way.

344
00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,640
Speaker 3: Yes, everything I have out is real.

345
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:30,480
Speaker 6: That's great.

346
00:19:31,759 --> 00:19:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of we It kind of started that

347
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,079
way on accident, and then I started telling people, Hey,

348
00:19:39,079 --> 00:19:41,759
this song is real, and then we were like, well,

349
00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:43,680
if we're going to keep putting out songs, maybe we

350
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,559
should do them all like that and that way they

351
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,720
kind of have a cohesive sound. But then also we

352
00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:52,119
can continue to tell people and showcase like this is real,

353
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,720
Like these are real people that are have years of

354
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,240
training and talent that they can showcase.

355
00:19:57,599 --> 00:20:01,160
Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, no, I think that's great. And then what's

356
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,720
the live situation, Like are you playing these songs out?

357
00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:06,559
Do you play out a lot? Obviously there's a lot

358
00:20:06,599 --> 00:20:08,160
of I know there's a lot of places to play

359
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,319
in Nashville, but it's also probably pretty crowded in some ways.

360
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,839
But what's that like as far as the live scene

361
00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:16,920
and do you get out and tour or how are

362
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:17,519
you doing with that?

363
00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:22,839
Speaker 3: I this is my third summer that I am playing.

364
00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,599
I primarily play in the summers just because winter kind

365
00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:30,920
of slows down a little bit, and I use that

366
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,119
time more so for recording and writing and getting stuff

367
00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:39,079
ready to release and whatnot. And like I said, I'm

368
00:20:39,079 --> 00:20:43,319
from Columbus, Ohio. All of my family still lives there,

369
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,559
Like every single family member lives there. All of my

370
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,359
old friends from high school and before all still live there.

371
00:20:50,839 --> 00:20:55,119
So I visit there very frequently. I've built a very

372
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,759
good community of people and kind of a following back there,

373
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,960
and so I go back there very very frequently and

374
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,839
play festivals and fairs in the surrounding area. Just because

375
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,359
I've created a good community and I have lots of

376
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,559
good contacts back there, that it's easier, or it's gotten

377
00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:17,240
easier for me to get my foot in the door

378
00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:21,839
there rather than here. So yes, I play all my

379
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,640
songs there and it's so much fun. I have a

380
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,960
band that lives in Columbus, so I just go there

381
00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:31,240
and they're ready for me. They practice on their own

382
00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:33,960
and we kind of just show up and rip it,

383
00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:36,799
and then I head back to Nashville and work on

384
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,160
stuff and then go back there. I definitely love to

385
00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:45,319
expand get out of just playing in Ohio. I've played

386
00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:49,000
in Nashville a handful of times, but it's really not

387
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,519
that fun because it's so saturated. It's just not the

388
00:21:53,559 --> 00:21:57,799
same energy as going to Columbus and the people there

389
00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:01,039
are like, oh my gosh, this is readible music, like

390
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,640
thank you so much for playing for us, or this

391
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,799
is people actually stand up and are singing along and

392
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,960
these people have no idea who I am, but they'll

393
00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:14,759
really get into it. So trying to expand, but it's

394
00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:15,799
one step at a time.

395
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that's really cool. That's really cool. Have you

396
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,519
done any videos for these songs?

397
00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 3: I have one video out, actually, I have a couple out.

398
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,039
I love making videos. I love every once in a

399
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:33,119
while I vlog like our shows that we go to.

400
00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:36,240
So when we play at festivals and whatnot, I'll bring

401
00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:39,079
a camera or a guy that will come in video

402
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,920
kind of the whole process because it's just fun to

403
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,839
have for memories. But then it also turns into like

404
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,119
a fun little video for people to see what we

405
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,680
do and what it's like to go play. And honestly,

406
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,039
I started reaching out to radio stations because it seemed

407
00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:01,279
like a good way for me to kind of talk

408
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,720
to people that weren't in Tennessee or Ohio. It is

409
00:23:04,759 --> 00:23:09,279
a way for me to kind of get myself started

410
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,400
in new places.

411
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. So Now what's the uh so

412
00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:19,200
the single Greedy now that's been out a couple months.

413
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it came out in April.

414
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 6: Okay, Now you're working on the next one already or

415
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,279
are you? Are you focusing on uh more on other

416
00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:31,240
things or what's like, what what's the current trajectory? Because

417
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,680
you did mention that other one.

418
00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 3: That Yes, yeah, I have a song. It's called su

419
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,720
Venirs and it comes out August first, and that's the

420
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,000
one that was not written by me. We're just kind

421
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,200
of trying something new out.

422
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 6: Okay, is that that one's all all recorded and ready

423
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,240
coming out.

424
00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 3: It's done, it's up, it's uploaded, so it's kind of

425
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,279
just sitting there waiting to come out. So so yeah,

426
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,039
that'll be the next one, and we're starting actually, funny enough,

427
00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:07,960
we took a pause on making my music and we

428
00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:12,200
really want to do like a fun Christmas song in

429
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,000
obviously like November December, but you have to start them

430
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,519
so early. So we're starting a Christmas song next week,

431
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:23,400
So we kind of took a pause. This other song

432
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,839
will come out, and while that one is being processed

433
00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:29,240
and coming out, we're working on a Christmas song to

434
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:32,119
do later and then we'll get back to the normal stuff.

435
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,039
Speaker 6: Oh, very cool, very cool, but souvenirs August first, you.

436
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 3: Said, right, August first, Yes, very.

437
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,599
Speaker 6: Cool, excellent, excellent. Yeah, be sure to be sure to

438
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,960
sound that to us too. You know, we'll spin it here.

439
00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:49,880
Absolutely definitely, I will absolutely absolutely, Now, where should people

440
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,759
go online to keep up with everything that you're doing.

441
00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:52,920
Where's the best place to go?

442
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say probably Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, all those

443
00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:03,240
places I post every day. Yeah, my name's the Cammi

444
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:05,599
Knicks t A G C, A, M I N y X.

445
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:12,119
And then I also have a website, the Kammiinicks dot com. Yes,

446
00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:16,119
and yeah, I post everything kind of all over those places,

447
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,200
just what I'm doing and where I'm playing and what's

448
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,960
coming out and yeah.

449
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 6: Very good, very good. Yeah. I encourage everyone to follow

450
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,839
you keep track of what you're doing as you're releasing

451
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,799
new music. And I was thinking, so we'll let you

452
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,319
go in a moment, Cammy, but I was thinking about

453
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,720
ending the segment. You know, we played Reedy to open up.

454
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,480
I was thinking about ending with this track good Things,

455
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:38,119
which is also very catchy. I really like this a lot.

456
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,680
Thank you. Yeah, absolutely so. I was thinking, well, we'll

457
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,400
close out the segment with this. But yeah, thank you

458
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,400
so much for joining us today. Are you in Nashville

459
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,119
right now? Is that where you're joining us from?

460
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm calling in from Nashville. I'll be here for

461
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,880
I think two more weeks and then I have a

462
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,759
show the third week of July back in Ohio, so

463
00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:00,960
I'll be heading out there. Yeah, and then back back

464
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:01,359
to it.

465
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,599
Speaker 6: Oh. Very cool, very cool. All right, well, Cammy, I

466
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:06,440
appreciate you joining us today. We'll let you go. I'm

467
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,440
gonna hit this track good Things, but uh, Cammy Knicks,

468
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:09,920
thank you.

469
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: So much, Thank you so much.

470
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,519
Speaker 6: You got it. We'll talk to you soon. Bye bye bye.

471
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,079
All right, very good. That was Cammy Knicks. And uh,

472
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,039
if you're wondering how to spell her last name, it's

473
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,240
n y X. And let's give this a spin. This

474
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,160
is called good Things, another great track from Cammy Knicks.

475
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:39,319
Speaker 9: How do I put it? Tried but I couldn't once

476
00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:43,440
was the answer. Oh he's a stranger.

477
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,559
Speaker 1: Love with a net go.

478
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 3: Loved with my eyes closed, kiss like aod.

479
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: Devil herd, temperamental.

480
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: Like my heart should have loved him from the start.

481
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:11,039
Speaker 1: Is it true? All good things for love? Pard? Is

482
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,440
it good? Or is it bad?

483
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 5: House never gave inside rama, Art.

484
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 4: Made it look easy that you never thought that happy

485
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,680
smile and riving turn fine Ryan never.

486
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,599
Speaker 1: Crossed my mind.

487
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:35,319
Speaker 5: Always said that I loved Blue, but jealous looks good

488
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,079
on you.

489
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: That's face.

490
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: It's funny.

491
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 3: Fools would have judged me.

492
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 9: Artie was honest, the boy was I'm modest art it

493
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,880
was true love?

494
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: What the hell's true love?

495
00:27:56,319 --> 00:28:03,279
Speaker 4: A boy full of secrets, never said I would keep them?

496
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:09,599
Speaker 5: It's pregnant. So the funding from the start, no one

497
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,039
know those good things?

498
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:21,559
Speaker 1: Is that good? Isn't that I must get it? How bad?

499
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: Benny's look easy?

500
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:24,759
Speaker 10: That you know?

501
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:32,079
Speaker 1: But it spilence trying to do it? Pray across my

502
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,119
fine all they said that all the blue.

503
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 10: Jay, let's get on you, Jo.

504
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:57,319
Speaker 1: Don't stuck the shock you bad now seems so calm.

505
00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 5: Blue pot cross good tver even links.

506
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:12,519
Speaker 1: Is it good? Or is it that you I ever had?

507
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:17,559
Don't know who I even know only go.

508
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 9: So don man, I'm kidding?

509
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:24,319
Speaker 1: Is that good?

510
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: Is it?

511
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: That I must not burying inside? Don't Bama by the easy.

512
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,359
Speaker 5: That's because having start, I'm trying to do him lie

513
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:45,799
across a line, always standing on off you shall let

514
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:47,480
me go on you.

515
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,839
Speaker 6: I like that bass note at the end there that

516
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:11,720
is Cammy Nicks. That track is called good Things. And

517
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:15,119
earlier we played Greedy, her newest single, and then we

518
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,920
talked with Cammy joining us from Nashville. That was very cool.

519
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,480
So look forward to keeping up with everything that she's doing.

520
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,039
Souvenirs coming out August first, and we might get to

521
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,160
give that a world radio premiere. You know we like

522
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,720
those absolutely, I do absolutely. If so, welcome everybody, of

523
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,319
course if you are joining us alive on Saturday morning.

524
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,119
It is July fifth, twenty twenty five. Matt Condorton Unleashed,

525
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:45,799
and I think we should talk about this an interesting

526
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:51,759
story that took me by surprise. So there's Lord who's

527
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,119
she's been around for a while. I think, right, yes,

528
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,759
she's got a new CD. And this is from the

529
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,920
Verge dot com. So you know, some times, when releasing

530
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,759
physical media, people like to come up with cool gimmicks,

531
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:09,880
you know, like back in the days of when vinyl

532
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:12,599
was was well. Of course, vinyl has had such a

533
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,680
resurgence over the past decade, but you know, sometimes with Vinyl,

534
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,759
people tried to do cool stuff, release limited edition vinyl.

535
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,559
I remember, I still recall when Dan of Dan Randall

536
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,839
and the Randlettes some people will know, when he showed

537
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,599
me he had bought the the Kiss single for Unholy

538
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:36,240
that came out in ninety two, and it was they

539
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:38,759
put it out on limited edition white vinyl. It was

540
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:39,240
so cool.

541
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,559
Speaker 11: Anyway, my favorite was a Stix album that I think

542
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:47,079
it was Paradise Theater that actually had the theater in

543
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:50,200
the album like the visual. Yeah, you had to hold

544
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,160
the album a certain way to see the Yeah, to

545
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,319
see it. But yeah, I mean I always love stuff

546
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:55,559
like that.

547
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, pick picture discs they call him, yeah, and those

548
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:01,559
are cool. And you know, some artists have tried to

549
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:06,319
do things unique and innovative with CDs as well, not

550
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:12,279
just vinyl. And Lord's new CD is transparent. You can

551
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:14,359
see through it. And if you don't know what I'm

552
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,480
talking about, you know, you can always go go find

553
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,200
a picture of it online. It's interesting, it's completely clear.

554
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:24,519
You can see right through it. What a cool idea, right, Yeah? Actually,

555
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,319
well there's only one problem, and this is from the

556
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,440
Verge dot com. Lord's new CD is so transparent that

557
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:36,160
stereos can't even read it. Oh god, that's so terrible.

558
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,519
And there's only one version and it doesn't work on

559
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,880
most players. So this is from the Verge. It says

560
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,720
Lord fans are clearly struggling to play the CD version

561
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:48,519
of her new album. Consumers who purchased the special edition

562
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:54,839
of Virgin, released on a transparent plastic disc are reporting

563
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,319
on Reddit and TikTok that many CD players car serios

564
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:01,279
and other sound systems they tried to play it on

565
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:07,000
or unable to play it. The transparen CD promoted it

566
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:11,920
as being fully recyclable, is currently sold out on Lord's

567
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,160
web store and was the only disc variant available for

568
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:17,480
the Virgin album. So, in other words, if you don't

569
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:19,559
want the clear CD, if you want something you can

570
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:23,039
actually play, you can't even get it. Nope. So that

571
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,759
may have come as a that may have been a

572
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,640
welcome compromise for fans, given the singer opted to forego

573
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:31,119
a CD release entirely for her twenty twenty one album

574
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:35,319
solar power over waste and environmental concerns, but little comfort

575
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:40,160
to customers who can't purchase alternative options. One Reddit user said, quote,

576
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,119
very cool looking and I'm not going to return it,

577
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,200
but doesn't work in three of my top players. PC

578
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:50,839
was able to rip, but the files are not great.

579
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,920
There's distortion and clipping. User unquote. User reports indicate that

580
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:58,440
older hardware is less likely to work with the CDD

581
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:02,240
than devices with newer sensors, So you know, we should

582
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:05,359
just stress that so people know. It's not that it

583
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,760
doesn't play at all. You just have to have a new,

584
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:12,119
a very new CD player apparently that is able to

585
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,960
actually read the data on it, because as one person

586
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:20,239
pointed out, and this isn't from the article I saw

587
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:25,400
this on. Uh, I saw this on another post. Somebody said, Hey,

588
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,039
you know it's completely clearer. There's no silver coding, but

589
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:35,760
isn't the silver where the data is stored. God, that's true. Yeah, yeah,

590
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,239
that's true. So apparently it's so so if you have

591
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,239
a newer CD player you can play it, but older

592
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,719
ones car serios won't play it. Uh, it's it's you're

593
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,400
just sol it says here. One TikTok user demonstrated that

594
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,239
her car CD player was an unable to recognize the

595
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,400
disc and said that forcing the CD inside resulted in

596
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:03,079
automatic ejection, mirroring similar reports made and Reddit comments. Uh

597
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,840
this redditor said, quote, whoever decided to design this as

598
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,639
an idiot? Cars can't read the CD. Walkman's can't read

599
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:13,159
the CD. You need to create CDs that are fit

600
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,960
for purpose of for the medium in which they are

601
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:20,159
played on, which is older technology. Unquote.

602
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 11: No, you should update your technology, but that's your it's

603
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:24,719
your fault.

604
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 6: You didn't update your technology. Right here the greatness of

605
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,239
the desk. If you're a true Lord fan, you know

606
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,079
this reminds me of a There's a podcaster who we

607
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:38,119
know who always complains about people not listening to his

608
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,519
podcast on good quality equipment and expects everyone to upgrade

609
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:47,239
their equipment when they listened to his amazing must spend Yeah, yes,

610
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:52,719
how he how he knows how people are consuming this content?

611
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,559
Speaker 11: I have no idea, But what I don't get is

612
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:58,679
like didn't they test it out on They must have

613
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,199
like only played it on the very best.

614
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 6: That must that must be what happened.

615
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, nobody bothered to go, hey, let me go see

616
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,920
if this will work in my car.

617
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:09,079
Speaker 6: That that's probably what happened, it says here. Lord has

618
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:11,840
yet to address any of the issues raised about the

619
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,320
transparent Virgin CD. The official came uh. The official cause

620
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,079
of the playability issues also has not been confirmed. It's

621
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:24,239
certainly striking. It's certainly a striking disc. CDs with even

622
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,079
partially clear designs are uncommon uh and can be a

623
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:30,679
hit with collectors, but the lack of functionality in this

624
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,440
example has been a bitter experience for some Lord fans.

625
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,559
Speaker 11: Yeah I can imagine I got a pretty disc.

626
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't play it. One TikTok user said, quote,

627
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,679
seems like they didn't account for this pretty disappointing. I

628
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,840
know it was for an aesthetic, but at least press

629
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,320
it on normal CDs too. Unquote. Yeah, that's the other

630
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,079
weird thing. It's like, why wouldn't you also put out

631
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,199
a non clear addition because they thought that it was

632
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,679
going to play and everything. Well, I also wonder if

633
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,960
they thought that people might.

634
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: This.

635
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 6: Wow, there's a picture here in this article two of

636
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,760
the disc of someone holding up the disc and yeah

637
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,760
it's very clear. Yeah, I'd be pretty skeptical. Like if

638
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,599
someone handed that to me and said, here, play this,

639
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:22,239
I'd be like, uh, what is this? Is this actually

640
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,559
a CD? What are you giving me here? Yeah?

641
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:27,599
Speaker 11: It looks kind of it doesn't You're right, it doesn't

642
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:31,079
look like any disc that you've seen before. Yeah, but

643
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,480
it's cute and it's quirky, and if it had played

644
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:35,719
on everything, it would have been great.

645
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,079
Speaker 6: And that's probably why they didn't print regular ones.

646
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 11: But then maybe they should go back and do that

647
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:44,440
now and like offer people, you know, hey, you bought

648
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,559
this disc, it's great, but here's one you can actually

649
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:48,840
listen to, right, Like that would be great to do

650
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,599
for fans, Yeah, that would make it better. Yeah, But

651
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,119
to spend the money to buy the thing and you

652
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:56,880
can't play the music, that's It's not just about aesthetics.

653
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 6: I mean, you want to hear what's on it. Unless

654
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,119
they also made the calculation, it's possible that someone made

655
00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:06,599
the calculation that people weren't going to buy this discs

656
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:08,679
to play it, but people are going to buy this

657
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,760
disc just to have it. I think that's silly. Well,

658
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,840
here's the thing. The only reason I think someone might

659
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,320
have thought that is because you know, my theory about vinyl.

660
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,960
I've said it all the time that when artists release

661
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:21,920
new vinyl, you know, because some of the guests that

662
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,159
we've had on the show, for example, they'll they'll do vinyl,

663
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,000
And I always say that My theory is most people

664
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:32,639
who buy new vinyl don't even have a record player.

665
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,519
They just buy it because they want to have it. Like,

666
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,000
they never even necessarily open it. They just want to

667
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:41,079
really support that artist, so they'll buy it just to

668
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,679
you know, maybe put the artwork on the wall or something,

669
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,320
or just just to have it because they want to

670
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,679
support that artist, not because they actually have a record

671
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,199
player at home that they're going to play it on,

672
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,280
you know what I mean. I do know what you mean.

673
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 11: But I honestly think in this instance, it's just not

674
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:56,880
the equivalency.

675
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I'm just I'm just wondering if someone maybe

676
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,519
had that theory though, Like, maybe somebody had a theory

677
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:04,039
to my theory about vinylin the I thought it would have.

678
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,159
Speaker 11: If that was the theory, why would you print only

679
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,719
discs that you can't listen to?

680
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:13,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, Yeah, So it's

681
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:16,000
pretty strange, and apparently it's not being addressed. I guess

682
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,920
it just came out because this story just broke a

683
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:18,760
couple of days ago.

684
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,039
Speaker 11: I'm sure that she anticipated that the disc was going

685
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,000
to work, you know, I highly doubt that it was

686
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:28,320
sold to her as Hey, we want to print millions.

687
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 6: Of your desk, but we don't want them to be able.

688
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:32,639
Speaker 11: To necessarily play unless you got expensive equipment.

689
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, unless you have new equipment. It done work.

690
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,320
That's right, that's right, and that done not good? So well,

691
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,159
hopefully everyone learns something from this.

692
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:47,079
Speaker 11: Yes, do not make it clear unless they find a

693
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,559
better material to use to make them on that can

694
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:51,480
actually be read.

695
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,599
Speaker 6: They kind of need the silver part. Yeah like that.

696
00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:01,760
One person wrote, absolutely, so another thing that happened recently.

697
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,000
Oh and this this will probably be a surprise to

698
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,920
you because we didn't discuss this, but this popped into

699
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,159
my head. I wanted to say something about this. So

700
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,239
long time listeners of the show, and of course people

701
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,880
who know me personally know that Kiss is my favorite

702
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,239
band of all time. You knew that, right? I think

703
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,800
Kiss is mile time. Why there's Kiss all over your office?

704
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:26,480
That might be yes, Kiss ornament hanging off your light?

705
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:31,039
Kiss is my favorite band. Kiss Paul Stanley said something

706
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:35,719
recently though that I found rather shocking really, and I

707
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:38,119
just I just wanted to address it for the for

708
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:39,599
the you know, a lot of guests that we've had

709
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:43,000
on the show too, or like Kiss, so you know,

710
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:45,760
this subject comes up. But as Paul Stanley said something

711
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,840
that really surprised me, I was quite taken aback. He

712
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:51,480
said in an interview, because he's doing a lot of

713
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:54,000
interviews these days, he and Jine Someone's both are now

714
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:56,280
that Kiss is you know, they're not touring anymore. They

715
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,239
did their the End of the Road tour, they're doing

716
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,239
the Hologram tour. They're still doing some stuff that's coming later.

717
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,559
They are doing a thing and they're doing a big

718
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,760
event in Las Vegas where they're going to play. So

719
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,599
they're you know, they're still active, but they're not going

720
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:13,920
to play. They're going to have No that's something that's

721
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,840
something else that's coming later. No, Kiss actually is playing there. Yeah,

722
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,679
so they're they're still going to do some things here

723
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,000
and there, but but just not like a full tour.

724
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:24,199
That was the last actual getting on the road, going

725
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,519
on tour. They're in their seventies now. Oh yeah, Paul

726
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:33,760
Stanley said in a recent interview that he feels in hindsight,

727
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:37,039
because he's doing all these interviews talking about, you know,

728
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,559
looking back on Kiss, he feels that, in hindsight, it

729
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:42,519
was a mistake in nineteen eighty three when they took

730
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:47,079
the makeup off, because those those four characters that they

731
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:50,639
had created are so iconic and and uh and and

732
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:52,760
you know, he didn't think that. He didn't think that

733
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,960
anything that they did could could ever live up to that,

734
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,440
And so on hindsight he feels that that that might

735
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,199
have been a mistake. What do you think, Well, I

736
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,519
was shocked that he said that, because because it was

737
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,000
a complete one eighty from everything he's ever said on

738
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:13,480
the subject, because everything else any other time, in any

739
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:15,639
interview or even in his book. He talks about it.

740
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:17,559
In his book, he talks about it a lot. The

741
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,480
decision to do that, the reason they did it at

742
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:23,360
the time was because, you know, the makeup on a

743
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,719
business level had run its course. It had seemed Kiss

744
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,480
had gone from being one of the biggest bands in

745
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:31,199
the world to having a couple tough years where in

746
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:33,519
the United States, you know, they had really kind of

747
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:35,800
fallen down and they needed to change. It was time

748
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,639
for a drastic change in the band. And so it's

749
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,280
like Paul the way Paul talks about it in his book.

750
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,639
For example, in his autobiography, he talks about the conversations

751
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:47,159
he had about it with Gene because he had to

752
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:50,079
talk Gene into it. It was Paul's idea, oh, and

753
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:51,679
he had to know that, and he had to talk

754
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,480
Gene into it. And he said to Gene, he said,

755
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:57,320
we have nowhere else to go. We have to do this.

756
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,360
Because both when they took the makeup off and three

757
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,159
and when they put it back on in ninety six

758
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,400
for the reunion tour with the original lineup, in both instances,

759
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:08,280
Paul had to talk Gene into it. In both In

760
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,119
both to put the makeup back on. To put the

761
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:11,880
makeup back on, he had to talk Gene into it too.

762
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,400
Both times he had to talk Gene into it. It

763
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,400
was it was Paul who really wanted to do it,

764
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:20,039
and you know, and obviously he did talk Gene into it.

765
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,599
And the thing is, so Paul felt they couldn't continue

766
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:25,719
on at that point in eighty three with the makeup.

767
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,559
They had to make this change. And Paul was like,

768
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:31,119
you know, not only will not only will it kind

769
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:35,159
of refresh the band, it's sort of you know, it'll

770
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:38,119
it'll also proved to everybody, you know, the haters, the doubters,

771
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:40,079
the critics, you know, that that were more than just

772
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:43,280
the makeup and the flash and all that, and that

773
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,840
were there were real band of course, of course, so

774
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,239
they took the biggest scambal of their career. They actually

775
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,719
they because they were rolling the dice. It was a

776
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,440
scary time for the band, and and Paul talked about

777
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,599
that a lot in his book too. It was a

778
00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:00,800
scary time because this was a big risk, a big gamble,

779
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:03,440
you know, and they did the unmasking on MTV and whatnot.

780
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,679
Turn turned out, And this is part of why it's

781
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,559
so shocking to me that Paul said this recently turned

782
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:12,280
out it was the right call because it did it.

783
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,880
It brought them back, you know, they they'd had a

784
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,599
couple of tough years, but they take the makeup off

785
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,519
and that first single, no Makeup, lick it up ended

786
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:25,280
up being a big hit, and they're back, you know,

787
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,400
they're on MTV now and the songs on the radio

788
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,840
and Lick It Up goes platinum, and you know, so

789
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:35,239
it really brought them back. Now, granted, during that non

790
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,480
makeup era of the band, they were never as big

791
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:41,440
as they were during that original makeup era where they

792
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,320
were one of the biggest bands in the world. Yeah,

793
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,519
but they were still doing really well. That was a

794
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:49,679
successful period that all those albums went platinum. You know,

795
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,079
they were still able to do the arena tours, the

796
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,280
big arena tours. They they didn't have to scale down

797
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,519
and play clubs or anything like that. So this is

798
00:44:56,519 --> 00:45:01,119
a pretty successful period and so but they had to

799
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,199
do it, like they had to take that risk.

800
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,679
Speaker 11: Did he qualify his statement as to why he thinks

801
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,679
it's a mistake.

802
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,039
Speaker 6: Now, He just said he said that, you know, looking

803
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:11,559
back on it, he thinks that, you know, they should

804
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:13,760
have maybe it would have been smarter to stick with

805
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,119
that iconic image that they had created and not tamper

806
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,079
with that. But he's never said that before. And I

807
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:24,000
was just so shocked because he's always maintained up until

808
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:28,280
recently that it was the right decision because that's what

809
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,000
they had to do to save the band, and it worked,

810
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:34,519
It did save the band, and so it's so I

811
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:36,519
was so shocked when I saw that when he says,

812
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:38,480
you know, in hindsight, I think it was a mistake.

813
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:41,079
It was like really interesting, very shocked.

814
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 11: Did you get older you change your perspectives on how

815
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,480
you see things? I mean, yeah, I can look back

816
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:48,280
on my youth and go, oh god, you are so ignorant.

817
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 6: But there's no window. But yeah, we all make decisions.

818
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:55,079
Speaker 11: But it's you know, it is interesting because I mean,

819
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:58,519
like you said, it kept them, It kept them viable,

820
00:45:58,639 --> 00:45:59,599
it kept them making money.

821
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, it gave them a whole new downsize already, like yeah,

822
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:04,840
it gave them a whole new you know, I gave

823
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,920
them a big boost, you know. Yeah, so that is interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

824
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:14,880
And then and also too, if they had if they

825
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:20,119
had never taken the makeup off the reunion in ninety six,

826
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,239
when they put the original lineup back together and put

827
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,400
the makeup back on, that wouldn't have meant nearly as much.

828
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,119
You know, Yes, I agree, So I agree.

829
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 11: It would have been like yeah, whatever, okay, well no,

830
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,199
I mean it would have been the original lineup, so

831
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,559
there's definitely something to say there.

832
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 6: It still would have been a little bit.

833
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 11: It wouldn't have been as dramatic putting the makeup back

834
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:43,440
on right, right, except for what a decade?

835
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, take thirteen years. Yeah yeah, the non makeup era

836
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:48,639
lasted thirteen years.

837
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 11: Did you like the music better during that era or

838
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:53,480
what's your favorite era of Kiss?

839
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 6: I love every era of Kiss, but my favorite era

840
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,960
is late makeup era, like you know, the first half

841
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,559
of the nineties, when they were still out of makeup.

842
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:07,920
That was my favorite era of Kiss. But see, I

843
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,920
mean part of my perspective is when I became a

844
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,880
Kiss fan, they were already out of the makeup for

845
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,679
a couple of years. It was actually Tears Are Falling?

846
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,639
Speaker 11: Well, you were after the makeup? Yeah, yeah, I guess

847
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:22,480
I kind of assumed you were in it from the beginning. No, no, no,

848
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:25,639
you were a late bloomer.

849
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,519
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, when I really got into Kiss, it was

850
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,800
the video for Tears Are Falling was on MTV. It

851
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,840
was on in heavy rotation actually, and I still remember

852
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,760
I was watching MTV one day after school and the

853
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,320
video for Teers Are Falling is on, and my dad

854
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:46,880
comes home from work and he kind of pokes his

855
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,559
head into the living room and says, Maddie, who is

856
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,480
that is that Kiss? And I said yeah, he said,

857
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,559
I really liked this song, and I said, oh, yeah,

858
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,159
me too, It's like my favorite song right now. And

859
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,719
I guess he kind of made a mental note of

860
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,039
that because then he got me that album for Christmas.

861
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,320
He got me a Kiss Asylum was the album.

862
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 11: And they Kiss Fan was born, and.

863
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:09,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was you know, and I listened to

864
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,360
that over and over and that was when Kiss became

865
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,440
my favorite band. But yeah, so they were already out

866
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,599
of the makeup anyway, So but yeah, and then and

867
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:23,079
then Paul had to talk Gene into it in ninety

868
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:28,199
six when, uh, because they did the MTV Unplugged where

869
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,199
they were able to, you know, the two guys, the

870
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,000
two original guys who were not in the band at

871
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:34,880
that point, Peter Chris and Ace Railey, they were able

872
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,400
to join in for a few songs. So that that

873
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,079
kind of that kind of got the ball rolling, you know, well,

874
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:42,400
maybe we should put the original lineup back together and

875
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,880
do a reunion in full makeup. But again Paul had

876
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,280
to talk Gene into it because Gene wanted to. He

877
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,079
was skeptical and he was like, no, I like, I

878
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,400
like the path we're on now, we should just keep

879
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,159
going with this. And Paul said, now that the fans

880
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,199
want this, and you know, and he was right. And

881
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,360
he was right because that ended up being that reunion

882
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:07,239
tour that summer in ninety six, Kiss and Metallica. Those

883
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,920
were the two top selling tours of the summer. That's

884
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,880
how huge that was. I mean it was massively successful.

885
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,199
So true they did the right thing in the end. Yes, yes,

886
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:21,840
So one other quick thing here. I think I'd sent

887
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,280
this one to you. This is because we talk about it,

888
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,400
even came up in our conversation with Cammy Nicks. We

889
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:29,679
talked on the show a lot about AI and AI

890
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,119
and music, and so this relates very directly to that.

891
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:39,119
This is from the BBC AI claims and a hoax spokesman.

892
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,119
Viral band confuses the world of music. So there's this

893
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:48,880
viral band. Is this band is AI generated? Check this out.

894
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,599
So a band called the Velvet Sundown has had its

895
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:55,960
tracks played hundreds of thousands of times on Spotify since

896
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,280
appearing several weeks ago, without anyone knowing for sure what

897
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,880
it is. The band as a verified page on the

898
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,880
music streaming platform with more than eight hundred and fifty

899
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,400
thousand monthly listeners. It's a hit. However, none of the

900
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,400
four named musicians in the band have given any interviews

901
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:17,000
or appear to have individual social media accounts, and there

902
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:21,159
are no records of any live performances. It is prompted

903
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:27,039
accusations that they and their music are AI generated something

904
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:33,920
the band, something the band denies on social media, not

905
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:36,639
on camera, and the band did not respond to the

906
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:40,599
BBC's request for an interview. This is kind of funny.

907
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:42,599
I mean, it's scary, but it's kind of funny at

908
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:48,079
the same time. Further confusing the story, Rolling Stone reported

909
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:52,159
that the band spokesman had admitted The Velvet Sundown's music

910
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,400
had been generated using an AI tool called care to

911
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,239
Guess studio or sono so know the one, the one

912
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,480
we've used, only for the magazine to st Uh to

913
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:11,079
report shortly afterwards that the spokesman was himself a hoax.

914
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,599
The spokesman was AI too. Yes, oh, I missed that part.

915
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,880
The band, who goes by the name of Andrew frehlan Uh,

916
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:23,719
said it was a deliberate plot to hoax the media.

917
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,000
A statement on the band Spotify page said that the

918
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,840
group has quote no affiliation with this individual nor any

919
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,519
evidence confirming their identity or existence unquote. An account on x,

920
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,679
which claims to be the band's official channel, is also fake,

921
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:44,559
it added Professor Gina Neff from the Mindero or Mindaru

922
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:49,639
Center for Technology and Democracy. Let's go with MINDERU because

923
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:52,800
that's fun to say at the University of Cambridge says

924
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,840
it points to a problem which affects much more than

925
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,679
just one band. She said quote whether this is an

926
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:03,280
AI band may not seem important, but increasingly our collective

927
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,199
grip on reality seems shaky. The Velvet Sundown story plays

928
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,400
into the fan, into the fears we have of losing

929
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,719
control of AI, and shows how important protecting online information is.

930
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,440
The Velvet sundowns indie ballads with guitar music and male

931
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:26,559
vocals is fairly easy. If bland on the ear with

932
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,639
lyrics such as eyes like film in in faded light dreams,

933
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,039
walk barefoot into the night, ash and velvet smoke and

934
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:42,039
flame calling out in Freedom's name, it could all feasibly

935
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:44,480
be either AI generated or appenned by humans.

936
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 11: Uh yeah, do you remember that happened with me recently?

937
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:56,199
Speaker 6: YAI band? An AI band contacted you that well? Were

938
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,519
you contact contacted?

939
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 11: The name is Interferre Yes, and I really liked the

940
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:05,800
music yeap, and thought, oh, these guys are great, I'd

941
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,840
love to have them on. And then I come to

942
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,199
find out they are the creation of one human who

943
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,239
created these other humans.

944
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:13,599
Speaker 6: That are not human.

945
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 11: They are AI yes, and the whole band is is yeah,

946
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,960
his musical creation. But in this instance, it's a big

947
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,079
difference because he said every single lyric has been written

948
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:31,480
by him, Yeah, for this particular band Interfury. So I

949
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:33,559
don't know about the other person, but I know that

950
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:37,599
all the lyrics to this particular music is claimed to

951
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:38,840
have been written by the artist.

952
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,119
Speaker 6: Let's see, so they have us. I just looked up

953
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:45,800
on YouTube. I want to I want to check out

954
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:48,440
the music of the Velvet Sundown. They have a Velvet

955
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:52,159
Sundown song called dust on the Wind. Not dust in

956
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:57,800
the Wind, that that's Kansas. This is dust on the Wind. Interesting.

957
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,039
Let's uh, I want to hear that and just see

958
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:04,800
what it's like. Uh, here we go. Oh, it's got

959
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,599
to get through these commercials. It is uh, it is

960
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:13,800
monetized content. Let's see dust on the Wind. I say

961
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:14,599
that's pretty smart.

962
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:32,039
Speaker 8: Dust on the wind, boots on the ground, smoking the sky,

963
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,679
no peace found, rivers run red.

964
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: The drums are also.

965
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 7: Tell me brother, where do we go? Raise your hand?

966
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:55,360
Doll Away sing how Loud may.

967
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:04,159
Speaker 12: Compaign, March mop Peace. Note for Pride, Let that Flag

968
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,440
turn with the tide.

969
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 6: M hm, well it sounds very pro war Let's fly.

970
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:28,199
Speaker 12: You think it's pro Mama praise while Young Manda.

971
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 6: Sounds like it. Yeah, it's it sounds like it's we

972
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:36,039
We still got time to make a stand. God time

973
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,519
made stand. It's a it's a lyric video that I'm

974
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:42,599
playing it from. That's why. That's why I know the lyrics.

975
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:49,639
Speaker 12: Look Away singing down Loud may compete.

976
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:51,679
Speaker 1: Much foppy.

977
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:59,519
Speaker 12: Note for Pride, Let that Fly Turn with the Chipe.

978
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 6: I gotta say I love this AI generated voice. It's voice. Yeah,

979
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,719
that's kind of an issue because all the ones I've

980
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,519
heard so far, but actually really good.

981
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 11: So that's that's kind of boo oh yeah, yeah, I

982
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,039
want to I just want to know what is AI

983
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:18,880
and what is human?

984
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 6: That's what I want to know.

985
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,519
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think there should be a little disclaimer or something, yeah,

986
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:26,679
like this is my creation, but.

987
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,199
Speaker 6: The band is magic, the Velvet Sundown. I'm curious if

988
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:32,760
I can find anything else of there.

989
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,519
Speaker 11: Here, So you should check out that Interfury one.

990
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, you showed me that. Yeah yeah, yeah, oh

991
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,639
yeah I did show it too. Oh. They've got a

992
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:47,920
whole album called Dust and Silence, Dust and Silence. Yeah,

993
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:50,239
let's see. This was the song though, wasn't it dust?

994
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,599
Dust on the Wind, on the wind. This one's called

995
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:54,599
let It Bird.

996
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 13: Flicker, Lights on silver sand, marching ghos with no commands,

997
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:25,119
velvet boots on mirrod ground, drums of thunder, distance.

998
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,519
Speaker 1: Promises in static blue.

999
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean it is a little bland, but all

1000
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,960
right there it is the world radio premiere of The

1001
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:41,840
Velvet Sundown.

1002
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: No, we don't close your eyes and smoke these.

1003
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,559
Speaker 6: I'm looking at these song titles. I do too. I'm

1004
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:55,360
looking at these song titles and this titles like Driftwood Soldiers,

1005
00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:01,880
where War Remains? Oh yeah, this is all there seems

1006
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:08,800
to be a theme war debt yeh Crimson Parade. Oh

1007
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:13,679
isn't that a pretty image? Mm hmm. Yeah. There's a

1008
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:16,199
lot of stuff in the lyrics about waving flags and

1009
00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:18,760
maybe the person making people pay.

1010
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,079
Speaker 11: The person created maybe be a veteran. Maybe you like,

1011
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:25,079
do we know anything about the creator?

1012
00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 6: No, we don't know anything about just that they're not

1013
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,159
real and there.

1014
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:35,159
Speaker 11: And their contact isn't real either, right, spokesperson.

1015
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:40,159
Speaker 6: The spokesperson was not real. There's an AI generated picture

1016
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:44,440
of them of the band. They saw that when I

1017
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,239
was looking at it. They look like, uh, but the

1018
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,639
one yes, but you can tell like at least.

1019
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,239
Speaker 11: The one on the right hand side looked like he

1020
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:54,239
was AI.

1021
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, they kind of. They doesn't look like he's not

1022
00:58:56,519 --> 00:59:01,760
a They kind of look fake. Yeah. Yeah, Well yeah,

1023
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:02,599
that's where we are.

1024
00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: Now.

1025
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:06,559
Speaker 6: There you go, there you go. All right, well we'll

1026
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,599
begin to wrap up. We're almost out of time. Oh

1027
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:10,960
my goodness. Yes, I hope everyone had a safe Fourth

1028
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:11,360
of July.

1029
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:14,719
Speaker 11: Absolutely, I hope you're stuff with hamburgers.

1030
00:59:14,199 --> 00:59:16,519
Speaker 6: And hot dogs. Oh and there is a new Tough

1031
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:19,599
Bumps up, Eric and I did it yesterday. Tough Bumps

1032
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:23,000
Episode ten is up. You can find that online. And Jenny,

1033
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:24,440
you want to You're always up to a lot of

1034
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:25,800
stuff you want to mention your website.

1035
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 11: Hi, you can always check me out at Jencoffee dot com.

1036
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:31,079
J E N N C O F f UI dot com.

1037
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,559
And I was told yesterday I have some things coming up,

1038
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:35,480
so stay tuned.

1039
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 6: Very good, very good. And if you want to know

1040
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,039
more about me and everything I'm up to Matt Connerton

1041
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:42,400
dot com and thank you again of course everyone who

1042
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,519
joined us today, Cammy Nix. And in the second hour

1043
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:48,559
we had a congregation x They sounded amazing. And in

1044
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:52,119
the first hour we had Shanna Trehan, author of The

1045
00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:55,639
Anxiety Fix. That was a very interesting conversation. And if

1046
00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:57,199
you miss any part of today's show it we'll be

1047
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,440
up in just a little bit at WMNH Radio dot

1048
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:04,760
org UH and at my website Matt Connerton dot com.

1049
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,960
And I also want to mention before I play the

1050
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:12,559
show's outro music that all the new music that you

1051
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:15,400
hear on the show, the bumper music, the new theme music,

1052
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,760
everything that is our friend Dylan Reynolds from Adam Bomb. Wait.

1053
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,400
I want to make sure I get this right because

1054
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,760
I think I said the name of his UH service

1055
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,480
wrong the other day. I want to look at the

1056
01:00:26,639 --> 01:00:30,760
logo because I want to give you the website too,

1057
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,960
for anyone who's interested. Oh yeah, Dylan does great work. Yeah,

1058
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:39,639
so Adam Bomb is great Adam Bomb Artwork and audio,

1059
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:44,159
and the website is adambom Artwork dot com. Adam as

1060
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:48,079
an a t O m Adam Bomb and Yeah, Dylan's amazing.

1061
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:51,159
We love our friend Dylan Reynolds. So with that we

1062
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:54,239
shall bid you ado and and we'll talk at you

1063
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:56,159
all next week. Thanks everybody, Bye bye,