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the years, the two of you, I mean, I mean

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a year has gone by, but you have got to

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be feeling inside your own creative paths that there are

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more women being connected to these storylines. Is because I

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don't know, I just see this book. I see Tom

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Clancy books in the hands of women. Is it the drama?

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Is it inside the imagination? Is it the journey forward?

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What is going on that? It just seems like there's

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a big shift in readers right now when it comes

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to Tom Clancy.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of interesting.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I can't say that we've ever thought about it,

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but my knee jerk or response to that would be well,

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for one thing, we are focusing the last three Clancy

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books on Katie Ryan, and it's fun and exciting to have.

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Speaker 2: A female protagonist.

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Speaker 3: But honestly, we have an enormous female readership in our

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Tier One series and our Sons of Vlor series, straight

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up military thrillers, And I think it might be just because,

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unlike a lot of thriller writers, we don't write plot

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driven stories. We write very character driven stories, and so

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character and relationship and those arcs, you know, pull through

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our entire series of books. And I think that resonates

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with all readers, but it makes it more open and

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accessible maybe to some of our female readers.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Brian, I'm just making off on

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the spot.

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Speaker 4: I know, I agree. I think we've been I think

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we've been intentional about trying to look at the Ryans

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as a family. Right, so the Ryan family business is

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protecting America, and so it's not just about Jack and

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Jack Junior. Now it's about the entire family. And so

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you're getting to see some of those elements that were

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in the earliest Clancy books where you got to see

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that Jack Ryan as a family man, well, his family

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has grown up. And I think I think that that definitely

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appeals to the female readership to see that, Like Jeff said, Oh,

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Katie Ryan, what is Katie Ryan up to? Now that

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she's a young woman and she's an adult and professional

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military And what's Sally up to? And what are what's

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Kathy up to? And and what's Kyle up to? We

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introduced Kyle in this book too, so you're definitely getting

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a different perspective of the Ryans than you've seen in

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probably thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because one of the things that people are talking,

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it's not just Jack Ryan Junior and Jack Ryan Senior

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that we're talking about. They are bringing up the other

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characters in the book, and it's almost like, Oh, there's

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going to be spinoffs here. I can feel it in

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the way that people are talking there's gonna be spinoffs here.

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Do you feel it as writers?

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Speaker 2: Gosh, I don't know. I will say I saw a thread.

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I don't know, Brian, I don't even know if you

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saw this.

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Speaker 3: We haven't talked about it, but there was a thread

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on our feed on Instagram about this book. Then we'll

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turn it into an entire discussion to post that exact question,

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and there's like readers going back and forth, Oh, I

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think they should be a spinoff, and they could be

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a Katy series and a Kyle series. And then other

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people were like, yeah, but what would be the unifying

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thing in the comp and so there is a discussion

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in the in the Clancy Ryan Versus fan base about

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exactly that we did not mean for that to happen.

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Speaker 2: We were just trying to keep it.

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Speaker 3: You know, when we when we introduced Katie and Kyle,

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who is almost more, we wanted to find that that

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analogous character to the old Clancy books before he was president,

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you know what I mean, when when he was the.

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Speaker 2: Fish out of water and he was, you know.

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Speaker 3: Doing things he wasn't really equipped for because he was

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a dog with a bone and he can't do that

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as a president.

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Speaker 2: And so we were really.

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Speaker 3: Just trying to find a way to make them get

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that vibe back from the old original books. But then

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the characters have been something people have really latched onto.

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Speaker 2: So geez, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe there's a path forward for another spinoff series

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of Katie and Kyle or.

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Speaker 2: Who knows, who knows what, But I know this, it

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won't be our decision to make. It's going to be

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something that that Tom Cogan will just that's for sure.

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He's the gatekeeper of all things Ryan and Clancy. He's

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an amazing editor and brilliant. His insight is very smart.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Brian Andrews and

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Jeffrey Wilson coming up next, Tom Clancy's Executive Power. We're

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back with the authors Brian Andrews and Jeffrey Wilson. I

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can't be the only one who sits here and reads

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about Jack Ryan the President and Jack Ryan Junior the

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Son and sit here and try to compare it to

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an everyday world because it opens up my eyes to

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go into the headlines and look at things differently. I

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mean that to me, that's how close you guys are

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to the reality of the moment. But I have to

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remind myself this is a story. This is a story,

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but this is who I want to be a part

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of my story.

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Speaker 4: I love that, And I think we are trying to

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in some ways open a conversation on dialogue about you know,

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what is leadership and what may oh good leaders And

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so I think that you know, Jack Brian is a

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boy scout. When you when you get the gig to

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write Clancy, you know that you're writing a character who's

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going to do the right thing no matter the circumstances.

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And I think that we need to think about that.

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You know, as a nation, you know, when you're in

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a position of authority, when you're in a position of power,

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you know there comes a certain duty, of certain responsibility

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that you know you're going to have your own personal

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needs are going to be at odds with the needs

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of the nation. And so I think, you know, we

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always try to imagine the best possible president when we're

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thinking about Jack Ryan, and in this book in particular,

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we really tried to dig into that issue of you know,

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what would a president do if you had to choose

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between the needs of the nation and the needs of

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his family.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that that that I do

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take from your books is the fact that one of

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the side hustles that I've got is I work at

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a grocery store because I just like being with people.

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I just like being with real honesty, got people. And

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the other day there was this little we blow that

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walks into into the store and I said, are you

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Jack Ryan junior son? So therefore Jack Ryan has has

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a grandson. Dude, I'll tell you what. He didn't understand

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what I was talking about, but you should have seen

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the smile on the father's face because that guy knew

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exactly what I was talking about.

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Speaker 2: That's so that's so fun And you know, that's the

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that it's funny that you say that, I don't know

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if this is where you were going.

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Speaker 3: Or not, but that is a challenge right now at

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this at this sort of crossroads for the for the

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Ryan Verse and Clancy books in general, is capturing that

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next generation, right, you know, the people that remember reading

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Active or I'm not Active to find as a hunt

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for the Red October for the first time. You know,

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we're not all going to be here for all that

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much long.

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Speaker 2: So for this for this.

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Speaker 3: To really be a series that touches people, we've got

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to start appealing to the next generation and.

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Speaker 2: The generation behind them.

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Speaker 3: And and and that was honestly back to the you know,

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introducing Katie and Kyle and these new characters. That was

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part of it, like we need to reinvigorate a new

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fan base into the series because we don't want to

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see it go away, because.

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Speaker 2: We love these books.

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Speaker 1: You guys are such masters at motive motivating the imagination

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of your readers because you put us right in the

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center of a question that we all have faced somewhere

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along the way, and that is, except in this case

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it would be what's more important the country or the

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life of your son, what's more important your daughter or

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something that's happening on the real streets of America. I mean,

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you give us that leadership role of saying, face the question,

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it is a mountain, move through it, figure out a solution.

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That's what I pick up from your story.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And I think that you know one of the

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ways that we when we put these characters in these binds, right,

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we force them and we force ourselves, the authors, to

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think creatively about how can you get from a zero

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sum game to a win win, right. I think we're

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also fixated on this zero sum mentality, which is if.

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Speaker 2: I win, you lose.

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Speaker 4: If you win, I lose. But with a little bit

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of effort and some coordination and a little bit of collaboration,

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sometimes you can come up with a solution that's.

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Speaker 2: A win win for everybody.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's sort of part of the American DNA.

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we're losing that with how competitive the world has gotten,

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and we're trying to find a way back to that,

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and so we present these situations in fiction because with

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a little bit of forethought and effort, you can get

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back to that mentality.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that you guys do as writers,

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especially with Kyle, and I think this is my attraction

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to Kyle is the fact that I believe that we're

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all survivors and that we all do face our major

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league storms and battles. And my eyes on Kyle because

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I want to know what he's going to do, and

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because I mean, once again, I mean things are changing

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so quickly in our reality that it's like, Okay, I'm

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going to pick up this book and I'm going to

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sit here and I'm going to figure out what the

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plan is through other people's writing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. And Kyle. You know, Kyle is

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a fun character in this series because.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jack is the president, but he's got this

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rich history of action, and Jack Junior is a door

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kicker and Katie is our analyst. To put a character

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into this high stress environment where he needs to act

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to survive is something that I think is appealing to

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all readers or viewers of film. I mean, you look

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at film and television and all the.

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Speaker 2: Things, it's always like can they do it?

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Speaker 3: And so we wanted in Kyle to have that every

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man kind of thing where you can relate to and

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that could be me right. In fact, we had a

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great call yesterday.

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Speaker 2: With Pete Turner on his show Break It Down.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Pete is a former Army intelligence officer

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and he spent a lot of time deployed. He wasn't

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a door kicker, but he's out there in the suck

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and he thinks about these things like, you know, I'm

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not a Navy seal, I'm not a Green Beret, but

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I'm out there on the edge where something could happen.

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Speaker 2: How would I act? How would I react?

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Speaker 3: And so this character of Kyle was our opportunity to

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explore not just how a John Dempsey from Tier one

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reacts at someone who performs at the very highest level

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of special operations, but how does an every man react

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when they are confronted with real danger, real evil and

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they need to survive.

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Speaker 2: And so that was really fun for us.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's fun to write Chunk, it's fun to

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write Dempsey, of course, John Clark, all these folks, but

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to do something that everyone can relate to.

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Speaker 2: Is even more fun. I think, how can he survive

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Speaker 1: I really do have a posted note on the front

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cover of this book that says first step of a

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brand new beginning, and it has the date of this month,

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because I want to see this book and I don't

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want my gut to go because I come from the

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radio industry where we predict hits, and it's one of

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those where I heard this and I went, or I

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saw this and I went, oh god, this is going

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to be one of those books that's going to go

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on to something and I was here before it unfolded.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's great. That's a great compliment.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're right.

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Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out about this amazing

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teamwork that you guys have got, because once again, we're

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not a generation of collaborations, but you're proving guys, look again,

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yes we are about collaborating.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks so much for asking and pointing it out.

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The best place for people to find out about Andrews

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and Wilson is just Andrews dash Wilson dot com. That's

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our website. It lists all our books. We write multiple series,

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so yes, we're proud stewards of the Jack Ryan series

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for Tom Clancy Estate, but we also write the Tier

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one series, the Sons of Valor series in another series

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called The Shepherds, And so we encourage all your listeners folks.

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If you like the clancy work that we've done, then

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please check out Sons of Valor or Tier one because

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we think you'd like those two.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Please come back to this show anytime

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in the future. The door is always going to be

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open for you too.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we appreciate it. Man.

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Speaker 3: It's so great to talk to you again, and you'll

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definitely definitely be hearing from us again if you're open

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to having us will come anytime.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely love, absolutely be really today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you two, thanks riding so much