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Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out

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Speaker 2: I was done. I wasn't deal with that.

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Speaker 1: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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that turned me.

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Speaker 2: Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on,

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it turned and looked at us. And one of the

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things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red.

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Speaker 3: I see an orb of light. It is just circling.

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Speaker 1: These steps like it is waiting for me. And he

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begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're

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basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot

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up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where

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I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the

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eyes as soon as I made eye contact with this thing.

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Speaker 2: And don't like debt.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Tien Foil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Tonight.

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We're joined by my guest Ernie. Ernie, thanks for coming

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on here talking with me.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to let the audience know a little

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bit about yourself before we jump into That's.

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Speaker 2: The hardest question right there, A little bit about myself.

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Let me see, I used to be an avid hunter,

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avid fisherman all my life.

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Speaker 3: I grew up.

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Speaker 2: Around that all of that stuff learned by learned how

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to do all this stuff from my elders, hunted with them,

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learned the track ex military, I was trained in seventeen

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different styles of martial arts. Are on my own, you know,

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kind of just ball here to learn all this stuff

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that I wanted to learn. I grew up in the

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country and then I moved to a city and I

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learned really quick what it was like growing up in

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the city and what bullies were and I needed some

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tools to be able to defend myself. So I did that,

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and trying to think here now, it's hard for me

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to describe myself to everybody. You know. I swayed back

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from that on a few podcasts because I wanted people

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to look at me as just another person. And that

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was kind of a bad mood because nobody's gonna listen

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to you unless you have something behind you, you know,

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and if you have a PhD behind you, doctorate or

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anything like that, they'll listen to you even more.

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Speaker 3: Like what you're.

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Speaker 2: Saying is wow, it's absolutely gospel. But you'll find that

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the majority of people are just people. They're they're like,

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they're like me. You know, if I speak at a conference.

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I used to think that maybe I need to learn

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a different vocabulary here, you know, so I appear more articulate.

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And I discovered that. You know, I want the message,

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the message to get out to everybody that's listening, and

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not just a few people, Okay, I want I want

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if there's kids listening, I want them to hear and

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understand what I'm saying, not just people with higher educations.

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That way, there we can we can push this community forward.

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Because what I have I like to call it a testimony.

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If people want to think of it as a story,

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you can think of as a story. For those of

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you there are researchers out there. You will be able

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to get some information here that may help you out.

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What happened to me happened almost fifty years ago, or

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i'll say a little over forty, And it took me

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a long long time to come out because I investigated

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myself first, why me? And and and what is it

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about me? And I discovered an awful lot, you know,

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by talking to other eyewitnesses. I think, really truthfully, that's

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pretty much it for me. You know, I'm just a

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playing jam guy, no special.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of us that end up having

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experiences are just typically just the normal person, and then

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we happen to be in the right place at the

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right time, or some depend how you look at the

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wrong place in the wrong time.

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Speaker 3: You never know exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, if you would like to start from the beginning,

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tell me and the audience what you experienced.

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myself out first. I had to go back all the

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way back to my childhood and and and and think

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of everything that had happened to me. Because some of

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the things were so subtle, nobody ever told me anything

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about them. I had seen the the uh Patty film

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and uh, you know, it's in my childhood. Growing up,

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I we had the hopes to get the biggest deer,

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the biggest fish, you know, and I had I had

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to hope, like, wow, this is really cool. Maybe it

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would be great if I got to see something like this.

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and the chances of me ever seen it are zero,

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all the signs were there, and I'll probably share some

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of those signs with everybody here, just to let you

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know what I brushed off, you know that I probably

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shouldn't have. I might have been a little bit, a

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little bit more prepared, or maybe this encounter would have

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never happened to me, because maybe it would have scared

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me more and I would have avoided that area. The

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area that I was in is called the Cobble Mountain area.

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that area because it was very steep. In the legend,

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it's part of unklem It's path. Hunters did not like

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to go in there, and to this day, the Bhilltown

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even though they have markers, something keeps tearing their markers down.

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is really close to my encounter, was with another hunter

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less than i'd say, about a half a mile or

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so away from where my encounter happened. But being an

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to go down to the bookstore because I sold topographical

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maps of any area that you wanted, and whatever area

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I was gonna hunt, and I would pick a topographical

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map and I would make notes on where deer were

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going through their runs, their scrapes, everything, everything about them,

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food sources and everything. So that area I knew quite well,

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and I usually hunted by myself the majority of the

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me or with my brother. This particular day, I was

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by myself. On one side of the mountain. There's an

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apple orchard, and that was in with about a half

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a mile where I had my encounter on the side

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of the mountain. I chose to come in on that

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morning because I had found signs of deer that were

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bedding down and using that side. There was probably within

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and they were known for their apples and their cheese

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and everything, so there was a lot of food sources there.

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wind was blown, which would be more advantageous to me

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to go in there and harvest a deer. It was

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the first week of December, but it was the last

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day of hunting season. So I proceeded to walk in there,

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and with the pretenses I knew where they were, the

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deer were probably going to bed down. I wanted to

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sneak up, get myself my deer, and get out of there.

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miles or whatever by myself out to my car and

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all of that. Well, I had gotten in there early.

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get in there, and sure enough I was within probably

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oh maybe forty yards or so from where I believe

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them to be bedded down. There's a couple of boulders

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Speaker 2: It was kind of frosty out that morning. I could

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see my breasts, so it had to be probably around

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maybe thirty four I'll say thirty four degrees. Anyways, out

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there's a little bit of frost on the ground. There

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was no snow, and it was sporadic, so that trail

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that led up to the top had some flat rocks

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like sandstone rocks, so I was able to walk on that.

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right up towards the top of the mountain on the

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ridge line up there, and I knew that I only

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had two choices. One was to get behind him and

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try to gain distance on him in hopes that I

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could get a shot at him, or try to go

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felt that chasing them through stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: It would just be futile. It wouldn't you know.

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have heard me. So I knew that at the top

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of the mountain the path went straight up over down

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to that apple orchard I told you about the beginning,

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legged back over to the right, and it ran on

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that dog leg. There was a stone wall that went

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were going up over the top of that ridge and

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what I was doing, and I would have to explain

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it to you because I was two stepping. I was

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going tow heel, so if they did hear me, I

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would sound more like a four legged animal, not a

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hopes that this would pan out. I heard them stop,

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distance on them. As I approached that area that I

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was speaking of on that dog leg I was able

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to scan to make sure there wasn't any squirrels or

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turkeys or any kind of wildlife in there that was

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going to alert them that I was there or anything

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was there. I didn't see anything. I didn't see anything there,

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so I set up. I had successfully gotten out in

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front of them. They didn't know I was there. And

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hear them now walking again towards that stone wall. I

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that stone wall. So I brought my shotgun up and

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I was ready. If one of them came over at stonewall,

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which they ever gonna have to do, I get a

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good shot, a good clean shot, and then that would

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be it. Right there on my left hand side, about

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the nine o'clock position, I picked up movement at about

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of what I said were what I'm about to tell

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thirty eight yards. Well, there was a tree there, and

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could see something that was laying down with the tree

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between it and the stone wall. I didn't know what

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would be a buck, and that it would stand. And

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that tree is going to get up, and there's gonna

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where and so those deer on the other side of

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tree a little bit more, moved more, so again I

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little bit more. And at that point it was big bodied.

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It was not a deer. I was no longer convinced

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that it was probably a deer. It was not a deer,

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but it was big body. And I immediately thought the

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next animal would be a bear because it was a

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big body. I had no bear permit. I didn't know

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what could happen at that point. It had its head

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basically around the other side of the tree, so it

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couldn't see me, and it was blown into my direction

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so it couldn't smell me. And I also figured it

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was a bear because it probably maybe it came down

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the tree because there wasn't anything there to begin with,

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and maybe there's some cubs with it, so it was

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not going to pan out well if that indeed, if

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that is what it really is, so maintain an awareness

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of those deer on the other side of a stone wall.

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It started getting up more more like it was actually

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hugging the tree, and now it's got the shape of

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a man up against that tree. Now I know it's

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not a bear, but I'm thinking, I've never really seen

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another hunter in here. If that's a hunter on the

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other side of that tree and he doesn't know that

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I'm here and then deer come over that stone wall

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and they go between us, I'm probably gonna get shot

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because I'm in the open here. So I decided what

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I was going to do is just try to move

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up just a little bit, so if that did happen,

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I would appear in his peripheral particularly he had to

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swing his shotgun, because Massachusetts his shotgun. So I moved

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up just a little bit and I could hear the

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deer still coming. They were browsing, but they were still coming,

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and this so called guy stood up even more next

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to that tree, and he had his head around the

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opposite side of the tree, so I couldn't see his

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face or anything, and I know darn well he couldn't

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see me. Now he's fully standing and I can definitely

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see that there is something concerning here, something very suspicious here.

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He was the biggest man I've ever seen. I used

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to train bouncers. I've seen some pretty big guys. I

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trained in martial arts, I've fought in tournaments. I was

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basically a runt in my weight class. My weight class

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started at one point eighty seven I believe it was,

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and went to two twenty five, so they put me

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in the open division, and there wasn't a man under

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two twenty five much bigger than me. And this guy

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was huge, huge, So now I'm trying to find a twig,

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believe something, to measure this guy. Off on a branch,

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I spotted a piece of moss and I said, well,

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you know, if anything at all I can, we don't

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talk or anything. We get a deer and I can

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figure out how big this guy really was. Well, it

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was about at that point there that all hell broke

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loose on their side of that stone wall, and up

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until I came out with this, nobody believed that they

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ate deer, goby, believed that they got in trees. Nobody

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believed anything too much about them to put them on

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a level with us. Whatever was on the other side

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of that stone wall, it sounded like it sounded like

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one or more came out of a tree or a

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couple of the trees on the other side. And I

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could hear not just branches breaking, I could hear limbs breaking.

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I could hear boulders clacking together. It was a battle

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royal going on on the other side of that stone wall.

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Speaker 3: It was at that time there that.

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Speaker 2: This so called man put his head around my side

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of the tree, and just as I planned, he caught

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me in his peripheral because he was looking directly over

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that stone wall.

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Speaker 3: This being.

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Speaker 2: Obviously was hunting with more than just by himself. He

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was set up on an ambush point, on a pinch point,

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just like wolves will do. They'll chase something and another

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one will pick up the chase try to run him into.

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Speaker 3: Other wolves or whatever. He was.

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Speaker 2: Definitely I don't know how he got there. I can

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assume how he got there, which I'll get into for

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you in.

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Speaker 3: A little while here.

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Speaker 2: But he looked over that stone wall and he caught

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me in his periphial, and he looked over at me,

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looked back over that stone wall, and he snapped his

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head right back at me, and he had the look

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of shocked surprise that I was standing there. And I'm

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sure that I had the same look, because now I

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know exactly what I'm looking at. Even though I'd never

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seen one before. This was not what you would consider

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fully as being a human. What I was looking at

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I identified in my own head because I was able

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to eliminate in a lot of things you'll hear, or

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you should have heard by now, things like uncanny Valley,

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how your mind's going to fight you. But I was

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trained to remain calm. And yeah, he at that point

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put his right leg out and he was holding onto

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the tree with his left arm, and he swung his

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left leg around the tree, so he brought side of me.

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He was looking directly at me at about thirty five

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yards away. And what I was looking at was the

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only thing I can describe to you at this point

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was like Neanderthal. And if you can see the pictures

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Brandon ken above my head here. I had an artist,

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took them months to come up with that, two to

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three times a week. I've got six drawings of what

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happened that day in what it was doing.

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Speaker 3: I've got another one lower.

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Speaker 2: But in any case, he looked right at me and

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he took both hands elbows in or about waist level.

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Both hands were and I'm demonstrating it to Brandon here.

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All his fingers were together, his thumbs were in his ponds,

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were facing me just about chest level, and he pumped

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them twice at me. Now I got my shot and

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pointed right at him. I really felt like I had

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a sidearm too, but I really felt like I just

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didn't have enough. If I took a shot, where am

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I supposed to shoot?

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Speaker 3: Number one? Number two?

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Speaker 2: There's more than one of them, and I'm history if

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these things go south. But he's he's got my interest.

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I'm trying to figure out what is going on. I

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don't know anything about these things, so I don't know

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how they react or what they do or anything. It

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was just completely bizarre for me completely. I started to

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lower my shotgun because it felt like the way he

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looked at me he would move his head towards me,

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like a teacher towards a student to see are there

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lights on you? Understand? It seemed to me he was

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asking me, whoa hold on a second here? So I

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started lowering my shotgun and he started taking steps towards me.

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Now as he took steps towards me again, he made

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another hand gesture to me. He took his right hand,

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right arm, right hand, disclose, point your finger out. He

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pointed directly to the middle of my chest. And then

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he pointed directly to the middle of his chest. Like

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I said, I investigated all this stuff over forty years.

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Now I know what these signs mean. I've gone over

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them with somebody which I'll identify at some point.

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Speaker 3: Here. Took it to mean that we were.

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Speaker 2: Equal in some way, that he was really meaning me

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no harm, and the way he was looking at me

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was not menacing. Is It bothered me for many many years.

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To what I'm about to tell you is he knew

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how to approach me. He started walking towards me some more,

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and at that point he took the same two hands

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and positioned them so that his elbows were still in

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and his palms were down. Same space apart, fingers together,

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thumbs in like that, palms dound, and put him right

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out right out there, you know, not flat out in

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front of him, just elbows in, you know, arms bent

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a little bit and held his palms down and looked

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at me. Then he turned his hands over, still in

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the same position, but turned his hand over so palms

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are facing the sky. I'm thinking in my own head

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that he quite possibly could be asking me or telling

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me he doesn't have any food and they're looking for food.

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It's bizarre as it sounds. When you take everything that's

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happening into perspective, you really can't come up with anything

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else other than the fact is maybe he's really just

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trying to get close so he can attack or something.

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But he's pretty close. At that point. He proceeds to

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walk closer to me.

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Speaker 3: And he takes one hand.

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Speaker 2: Again, same same arm, same hand, disclose, point your finger out,

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and he points over one shoulder of me, then my

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other shoulder. I'm figuring it he because he's studying me.

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He's checking me out, and this whole time I am

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definitely checking him out. I checked my wristwatch out. I

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can tell you about what hour it was, but I

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don't know how many minutes after the hour it was.

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I had checked the wind direction again to make sure

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it was in my favor, and he proceeded to walk closer,

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and I'd just like on taking you folks on a

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journey with me here. It would have been super easy

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if he would have from the very get go turned

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and left my position, right from the very get go,

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with all of them where to turn and leave the position,

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I could have gone down to the local bar and

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got myself a couple of drinks to simmer myself down,

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and I could be I don't know class B citing

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or whatever is hey, I've seen one or two. Okay,

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it would have been that easy, but he had to

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make my life like difficult. After he made that gesture

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to me, he proceeded to get close to me. I

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can see that. I can see his skin tone. I

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can see his hairs. I can see where the hair

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stops and where the hair continues on. Just like if

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you could see my face or anybody with a beard,

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no hair up here, right up here in your cheek bones,

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no hair. It was all down here. The skin was

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like what I would call like a super dark brown,

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not black, maybe a little ashy, very hard to describe

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a color. He had the brow ridge, like I said, Neanderthal,

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and he had blue eyes, husky blue eyes.

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Speaker 3: At that.

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Speaker 2: I was taken aback by that. At that point, he's

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standing right in front of me, And that's even bothersome

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for me to tell some people. You know, it was

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very hard for me to tell some people how close

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he actually was. I can tell you right now that

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he took his one hand, his right hand again, and

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he placed it down between the two of us waist level,

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so that I could really see his palm, and he

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pointed to it with his other hand, his pointer finger

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to his palm. While this is going on, I no

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longer have access to my shotgun. I completely lowered it,

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but I was extremely concerned, and I was lowering my

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hand to my side arm, and just as my hand

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was reaching are just touching the grip on my sidearm.

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Speaker 3: He noticed what I was doing.

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Speaker 2: He picked up my body movement, and he adamantly tapped

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his palm. He definitely wanted me to look at his palm,

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so I did. I've had people ask me if I've

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seen a scar on his palm that I did not notice.

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Had there been a scar there. Somebody told me that

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would have been the sign of a covenant. Indigenous people

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will understand that. What I did notice was his hands

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were like our hands, all into perspective. All how can

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I say, like, my arms are only so long, you know,

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in proportion to my body, same with his his hands

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the same. But what I did not notice on his

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palm was a lifeline. And I'm told that some people

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are born without lifelines, but he did not have one.

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I knew that what I was going to have to

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do even when he was at the halfway mark, because

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he was continuing on towards me that at some point

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I think he was going to expect me to parlay

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something back to him that I understand, because everything he

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did he kept looking at me, and he would almost

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bow his head or nod his head, like you understand,

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he was reading me. As I was studying him. The

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hair on his body was five inches long in some spots,

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four inches long in other spots, maybe six inches long

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up around the neck, the head, his chest. You could

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now make out that he wasn't all hairy. You know,

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at distance, people have to understand, you can't tell at

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forty fifty yards. If a man's face, if they have

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scrabble on their face, if they're not shaving completely with

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their beard and keeping it trimmed, you can't tell how

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high up that beard goes. But when you got close,

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I could tell his hands were clean. Where you have

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hair on your knuckles, on your hands, they have hair.

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He had hair where we don't have hair. He didn't

480
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have any hair like on your knuckles. The backs of

481
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,720
his hands had hair. His forearms, because I could see

482
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:40,559
his forearm, it was turned over exactly the same as ours.

483
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,359
His fingers were clean. He didn't stink. Okay, through my

484
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,920
research I found out pretty much why they could be

485
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,799
stinking too. But it was at that point that I

486
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:56,440
knew that I had to do something.

487
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,359
Speaker 3: Now, I'd like to add here that.

488
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: In order to see his pond, you're gonna have to

489
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:10,559
understand I was about two and a half feet away.

490
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,440
I only came up a bit above his bicep, below

491
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:20,720
his shoulder, but above his bicep. I'm almost six foot three.

492
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:26,599
This being this forced person, which I like to call him,

493
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:35,440
was absolutely enormous, huge and fit, I mean very fit.

494
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,599
I chose to try to parlay some of the information

495
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:49,039
back that I figured I understood like the first, the

496
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:53,880
second sign would have been me pointing to history. What

497
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,240
that means is if I point to my chest first

498
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,000
and then somebody else's, that means I'm better than you.

499
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,640
If I point to you first means we're friends. You

500
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,160
can be friends, or we're buddies. We're equal, we're masters

501
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,440
of the woods as some indigenous people. I do buy

502
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:21,839
with that. I made that hand gesture to him. Then

503
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,680
I made the hand gesture for no food. I did

504
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,759
not want to make the hand gesture that I wanted food.

505
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:32,000
I just made the hand and just sure that I

506
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:38,880
had no food with the one finger, my pointer finger,

507
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:44,240
right arm, over one shoulder on him and over his

508
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:51,039
other shoulder. It was at that point that things changed

509
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:55,160
a little bit. He looked at me and nodded at me.

510
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:00,839
He looked over the stone wall, turned a little bit

511
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:05,680
towards that stone wall, put both hands up, and that's

512
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,359
the pictures you can see in the back here, like

513
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:11,079
you would use your hands like a megaphone, and he whooped.

514
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:12,519
Speaker 1: Up.

515
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:16,519
Speaker 2: Until then you got to figure, folks, nobody knew they

516
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:19,279
whooped seven years ago. If they did, they weren't coming

517
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:23,599
out and spreading the knowledge with everybody. Okay, he whooped

518
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:26,799
three times, about a second and a half in between

519
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:30,880
each whoop something that I am good at. I'm not bragging.

520
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,240
I am good at it. There's something you learn in fighting,

521
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:37,279
how much time you have left. But he whooped three times,

522
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:41,720
and he looked back at me, and he just bowed

523
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:45,039
his head just a little bit, looked back over that

524
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:51,720
stone wall. He whistled, and I'm here to tell you

525
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,559
nobody knew they did that. Some of yous don't even

526
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,359
know that, but they do. But deer whistled too, So

527
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:03,240
he whistled, and the whistle sounded just like another person.

528
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,319
It was a whistler we used in our hunting parties

529
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:07,319
when I was a kid.

530
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: To stay in.

531
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,079
Speaker 2: Contact with people who were spread out as we were

532
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,679
making a drive towards one of our ambush points, or

533
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,199
if we had seen something some sign, or seen a deer,

534
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,079
we would let that little whistle go. But this whistle

535
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,119
was more of a like they come here kind of

536
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:29,800
a whistle. And he made a hand gesture as he

537
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,840
was looking over at stonewall did it whistle, And it

538
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:38,199
was like and waved his hand like come here. But

539
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,960
he pointed back in the direction that he came from,

540
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,679
and he turned and he looked at me one last time.

541
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,119
He bowed his head to me. He turned away from me,

542
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:57,440
and he left my area. He didn't run, he didn't

543
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:07,639
speed walk. He seemed very fluid, kind of quiet, and

544
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,159
he proceeded out beyond the tree that he was originally

545
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:17,480
at to about I don't know, maybe another thirty five

546
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:20,039
forty yards to put him I figured about fifty five

547
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:23,559
sixty yards away from me. He turned back towards me

548
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:28,639
and he was facing again Kitty Corner, so he keep

549
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,440
an eye on me, and he's looking over at stone wall,

550
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,559
and that's when I heard it. Something was coming through

551
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:37,679
those saplings and it was not a deer, definitely not

552
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,840
a deer, and it was headed towards Drake Brook, which

553
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,039
is on the other side of the stone wall where

554
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:48,880
that dog leg goes around this whatever it was, I

555
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,039
couldn't pick it up. The movement yet had to cross

556
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:55,360
over that section of the stone wall, over that path,

557
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:58,039
and over that brook, and I knew that I'd be

558
00:35:58,079 --> 00:35:59,760
able to pick it up because it's kind of clear,

559
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:03,199
you know, it wasn't a really heavily wooded area at

560
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:09,639
the time up there, I was following the sound and

561
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:12,000
watching for it, and sure enough I pick up the

562
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:15,400
movement as it crossed over the stone all the path,

563
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,760
and then I saw it jump the brook. And this

564
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,079
thing was what I call a cinnamon brown, like a

565
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:26,440
brownish color. And this thing was like up pirecore runner.

566
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,920
This thing was fluid fast if it wanted to. I've

567
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,719
shot deer on the run, and this was faster. This

568
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,000
was faster than that. And it ran right over to

569
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:41,480
the bigger one. Now I'm just gonna give away how

570
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:44,159
big the bigger one was because I did measure it off,

571
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:46,559
and I'll get to that. But he was seven foot

572
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:52,159
eight inches and I got that from the tree. But

573
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,440
I'll tell you how in a minute. Here he was

574
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,639
smaller than that big one.

575
00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: There. That was his hair, I thought was It was

576
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,559
not black. It was dark, dark, dark brown.

577
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 2: I could see where the hair is attached to the arm,

578
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:13,119
and the skin was felt the same dark color as

579
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:19,119
the hair this other when it was cinnamon colored. He

580
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,639
was over his shoulder, but shorter than him, hollered than me,

581
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,079
which probably would have.

582
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,519
Speaker 3: Put him in it.

583
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 2: Maybe around this one for him, I don't know, Probably

584
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:36,599
around i'd say, six six six seven eight somewhere's around

585
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:40,000
that vicinity. Because I had nothing to measure that off

586
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:45,199
on except his own body. It wasn't running all the

587
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:47,880
way over to him. And now they're facing each other,

588
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:53,400
but I'm still like, they're almost cornered to me, and

589
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,360
they're having a little conversation. And I never heard the

590
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,239
sea hair sounds. I thought I was actually hearing some

591
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,480
kind of language that I would understand. I was trying

592
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,880
my hardest to hear it. I couldn't make it out.

593
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:13,440
It was it was like gibberish, almost, but it seemed serious.

594
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,119
Speaker 3: So at one.

595
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: Point he stopped his little what I think was chewing

596
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:28,079
that smaller one out, and he pointed directly at me.

597
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,760
He because I was still standing in my original position,

598
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,719
he ratted me right out. I really wanted to follow them.

599
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,760
I wanted to know. I wasn't scared. I really wanted

600
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,000
to follow them and see where do they go, where

601
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,199
do they stay? Really sleeping caves, behind rocks, what in trees?

602
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,079
Speaker 3: What? What's going on? You know?

603
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:54,039
Speaker 2: And that smaller one took a look over at me,

604
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,159
looked back at him, and then did a double take,

605
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,719
snapped his head at me. Also like he couldn't believe

606
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:06,960
I was standing there, and at that point, because he

607
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,840
had a bowed at his head down just a little bit,

608
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,239
because it was a little branch coming out there where

609
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:17,480
they were standing, but that bigger one point point to

610
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,039
that smaller one. He gave him a hand gesture and

611
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:29,079
basically was showing telling him to playing me on my right.

612
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,320
You can see he took his finger out, pointer finger

613
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:35,199
and made a half circle over in my direction to

614
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,159
my right hand side, and then he pointed to his

615
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,079
own self and he did the same gesture where he

616
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:44,400
was going to go. I have no idea why he

617
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,039
did that. Was it for my benefit because he could

618
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:50,239
have just told him what to do what I'm thinking,

619
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,559
you know, and from there they split up. That concerned me,

620
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:05,639
but I knew that hopefully someday you folks would hear

621
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:10,159
this not as a story or my testimony, but as

622
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:14,880
research evidence that can.

623
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: Be used or to further your research. You're highly intelligent.

624
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,400
They do have a.

625
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,559
Speaker 2: Language they took off in their directions. I decided I

626
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:29,800
was going to go measure off on the tree. Right

627
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,639
before the tree, there was a little knoll. It looked

628
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:34,199
like during the springtime, you would have it for me.

629
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,840
A pool there, So I figured this one here, the

630
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,719
big one. He was down below that little knoll and

631
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,480
crawled on his belly up to that tree. That's why

632
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:47,119
I never seen him and know how he got there.

633
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:50,400
He was definitely set on an ambush. That's what gave

634
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,119
me that idea that that's what was going on there.

635
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:57,719
So I found that piece of moss on the tree.

636
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,480
I walked up to it like a cool I'm a

637
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:05,239
retired butcher now, and I had to my face right

638
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,360
on the tree and put my hand on top of

639
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,760
my head. Well, that doesn't work, no, I think I

640
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,679
turned around. I think it turned around first, because it

641
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,559
doesn't work that way because then you can't turn back around.

642
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,119
So then then I faced the tree, held my hand there,

643
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,559
and then I measured up from my hand because I

644
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,920
knew how tall I am right up to that little

645
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,440
piece of moss right there. I come up with seven

646
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,239
foot eight inches. It's very difficult talk to hunters to

647
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,119
figure out range in the forest. When you're out there

648
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:41,840
bow hunting. It's very difficult to tell the height of something,

649
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,400
how tall something is in the forest unless you know

650
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,159
those ranges. Okay, you have to be able to measure

651
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,400
it off. You can't just say it was two hundred

652
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,840
yards away and it was ten feet tall. You really

653
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:59,880
seriously need to know exactly how to measure that off,

654
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,480
you know, even if you say you found the branch.

655
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,840
I didn't have far to walk to to go to

656
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,280
that piece of moss over there.

657
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:10,199
Speaker 3: But they left.

658
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:13,159
Speaker 2: I decided it was time for me to leave, you know,

659
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:19,119
And I was deeply concerned. My spidy sensors were england

660
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,840
at that time because I didn't know what was really

661
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:24,760
really going on there. I didn't know why this this

662
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:30,960
ended that way. But I did not go back the

663
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,519
same way that I went up that mountain. I went

664
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:37,880
down the steepest side of that mountain. I had my

665
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,960
pack on me, I had rope on me and stuff

666
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,920
to help me. I figured out something. I figured something

667
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,599
was going to happen. At least i'd have a defendable

668
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:48,440
position that they would have to come from above me.

669
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,039
It definitely couldn't couldn't come to my right or left

670
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,519
or below me, because I had a clear field of

671
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:59,639
view there. If I had gone back the path that

672
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:05,719
I originally came up on, it's pretty well forrested. There

673
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,320
a lot, a lot of brush, things like that Mountain Laurel.

674
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:13,559
You know, anything, anything could jump out right there. But

675
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,599
I got back and I went home, and then I

676
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:20,199
started thinking, who can I tell? And for this is

677
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,079
a big thing that goes through witnesses minds. You know,

678
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,280
is you're gonna person you're any thinking, is I need

679
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,920
to tell my friend? But then you're gonna say, well,

680
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:30,039
how well do I really know my friend? They're probably

681
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:33,800
gonna laugh at me. You want somebody to hear you? Okay?

682
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:36,599
I did want somebody to hear me, and I thought

683
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:39,960
of family. And when I finally did tell my father,

684
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,880
I sat down at his kitchen table. And this is

685
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,719
a guy who taught me how to hunt and learned

686
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,800
from the the elders up in Canada how to hunt.

687
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:52,559
And he looked at me and he said, I know.

688
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 3: And it blew my mind.

689
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:58,199
Speaker 2: So it opened up a whole thing of of my

690
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,400
history on hunting and what I had seen before. Had

691
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,599
I ever seen sign of done before? I certainly did.

692
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:14,880
I remember it distinctly, very well. I started checking out

693
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:19,239
everything and I came across the Sierra Sounds. Now some

694
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,599
people will ask me, well it sound just like that, Well,

695
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:27,239
I'm not gonna sound the same in what I'm saying

696
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,400
to you right now, these very twenty seconds. If you

697
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,360
come to me and start talking to me a month

698
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,960
from now we're talking about the circus or something, I

699
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:40,920
may have a different tone. I may have you laughing

700
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,880
in it or whatever. Hey, they definitely have their own language,

701
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,559
but I could make it out and it did sound

702
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:56,760
like the Sierra sounds. I don't understand their language, but yes,

703
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,519
the chatter, the samurai chatter as everybody called it. I

704
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:06,360
checked everything out. Is there any I like ghost of

705
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,320
these forms or whatever you want to call it. I

706
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,679
would just kind of just be in the background listen

707
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,480
to people eyewitnesses or whatever, and I'm like, there has

708
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:16,800
to be somebody out there that has something like this

709
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,800
happened to them. Please, there has to be somebody. It

710
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,639
bothered me. I prayed almost every day. I didn't want

711
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:26,559
to be the only guy out there because who was

712
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:31,440
ready for this? You know, as it turned out, there

713
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,679
are very few people that been this close. There are

714
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,079
extremely few people that I personally know of that have

715
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:45,519
seen some form of sign language. Very few, but it's there,

716
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,400
so we know that they're intelligent. So without getting into

717
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:57,920
my whole philosophy on do we need a dB or not. Well,

718
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,360
you know, it's funny because we just have the thing

719
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,280
that happened on everybody's forums just recently order the past

720
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,639
couple of days, and it was in REFG I'm going

721
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:12,719
to refer to migration. Migration is a long distance, okay,

722
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:17,000
And people are saying, well, you know geese migrate. Well

723
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:20,800
that's cool, So no butterflies, so no humming birds. But

724
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,920
you know what, we're going to compare them to butterflies

725
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:28,280
and humming birds and geese. Why why have we never

726
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,039
Why is it so hard for us to compare them

727
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,000
with something that's intelligent that buries their dead other animals?

728
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:40,400
Why is that so hard? I know the reasons why,

729
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:44,159
and the research is out there. It's easy to get.

730
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:49,480
People have to remember, yet back in my generation, the

731
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:52,599
only thing we have was encyclopedia. Or you go to

732
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:57,599
a library. You now hold the world's largest library in

733
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:00,719
your hand, and you call it a phone. You can

734
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:06,320
find all of this, you can find all the evidence

735
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,079
has been compiled, you can find all the stuff that

736
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:14,599
they eat. It's profound, it's unbelievable what is out there.

737
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:16,880
But we let our bias is stand in the way.

738
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,159
Don't let your bias stand in the way of this.

739
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,079
Make a good look at this, because what is your plan?

740
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,559
What is your plan of steps out in front of

741
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:31,559
you by accident or deliberately, or you come across one

742
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,960
and surprise it like obviously I did by accident.

743
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: Are you going to run or are you.

744
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: Gonna Jane good all this situation? Are you going to

745
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,239
try the next step? We're already working on behavior and communication.

746
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,760
A lot of people out there don't know this, okay,

747
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:55,159
because it's not shared. When I share things through other forums,

748
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,320
it's not always shared, but you may hear little bits

749
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,519
and pieces of somebody will stand up and say, well

750
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:05,280
I found this, well I and read I in my research.

751
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,360
This is what I've come across. No, there are many

752
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,880
people out there. They want to accuse me of being gatekeepers.

753
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,480
They are gatekeepers because they found that what this person

754
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:16,480
will do is they'll go to a conference or whatever

755
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:21,000
and they'll start claiming all of this stuff. There's people

756
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:25,400
who would have them living on their property. Mary Green,

757
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,159
Janie Carter, okay, and everybody thought it was a joke.

758
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,000
She's lucky if she sold one hundred books that there

759
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:37,920
was so much information there. This is perhaps a story

760
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,800
of sung so others. It's a testimony. And to some

761
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,280
of you, I certainly hope you do hear that these

762
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,559
things can communicate, and they will. And some people say, well,

763
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:55,599
they're really bad. They'll tear you apart or whatever. Come

764
00:48:55,639 --> 00:49:00,960
break into my house, disrespect my family, try to hurt

765
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,719
one of my family members, or try to take my

766
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,599
food from me, and watch what happens. You will aggravate me,

767
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,639
and you will aggravate them as any animal, a dog

768
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:17,679
or anything like that. That's behavior. Okay. Now, some people say, well,

769
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:24,320
how how can they possibly speak? Look up ancient language evolution.

770
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,840
There are only two animals that can do that. We're one,

771
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,239
and it has to do with how we're built, and

772
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,119
they are built the same as us from the outside. Anyways,

773
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,400
other than the fact is, let me tell you when

774
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,679
that thing whooped. Yeah, I've been to the zoo, I've

775
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,039
had the lines roar right next to me. I've been

776
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:50,559
to some loud concerts standing next to that speaker, and

777
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:53,159
here in that base it would make make your drink

778
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:57,159
shake on top of the speaker. That's what it was like.

779
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,559
It was exceptionally loud, and it travels throughout.

780
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,079
Speaker 3: Your whole body.

781
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,159
Speaker 2: You know, I know that there are some people out

782
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:09,000
there who are in a camp called the Wu or

783
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:13,599
the ORB or the UFO or let me tell you

784
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:16,559
two things. First, look up the poem of the blind

785
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:19,599
Men in the Elephant for Mendostan and you'll find it.

786
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:23,039
These six blind guys all took one piece of an elephant,

787
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:27,719
just touched one piece and came up to it until

788
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,719
they all got together and put it all together. That's

789
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,039
where you are right now. You have to take it

790
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:37,119
all and put it all together. They can do a

791
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,880
lot more than we can do. And there isn't a

792
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,119
man on this planet that's ever going to outrun him.

793
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:48,039
You were let go, is what happened.

794
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:48,559
Speaker 3: Okay.

795
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: I find another connection with them that I try to

796
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,559
teach other people that are doing research, and that is

797
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:56,119
you have.

798
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 3: To have.

799
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: Over ninety percent of all your close encounters, which occurs

800
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,840
with hunters, they get very good looks of them. Okay,

801
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,280
have something in common. It was our mindset. We were

802
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,880
at peace out there. We were respecting what's out there.

803
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,840
And then there's trustworthy and everybody will say I'm trustworthy.

804
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:24,360
Are we really are. We really we don't trust our

805
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,719
own families. Okay, it's very difficult, and this is what

806
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,159
attracts them. Yes, they are curious, but just like a

807
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,519
dog can smell you and know you, so can't they.

808
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,559
We take too much credit away from them for what

809
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,159
they can really do, and we have to take a

810
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:49,159
better look at it and put this right next to us.

811
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,039
I had one incident that I'm going to share with you,

812
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,760
and I know this gentleman will probably hear this. He

813
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,599
was going into the Kimmy Kiechee Mountains. He was a member,

814
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:02,119
one of the founding members of the group of the

815
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:05,719
four hundred, Him and one other guy, and they had

816
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,199
to cut a trail into where they're going pretty deep.

817
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:12,800
They were on ATVs, but they had to cut the

818
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:17,440
trail when they got into where they had already figured

819
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,039
they should be on their GPS to set up camp

820
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,719
to further their research area that they were in. They

821
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,320
were getting off their ATVs and the other guy with

822
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,199
this gentleman had lost his walkie talking. He couldn't find

823
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:35,440
his walkie talking. The other thing was that this gentleman

824
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:39,360
also has some family pictures fall out of his pocket.

825
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,599
He didn't know they were in his pocket because he

826
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,880
just grabbed his coat and they went hustled. Let's get

827
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,199
it all together, let's get out there and do it.

828
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,960
We get time off, So he put him in a

829
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:52,199
zip pocket. A couple of days later, they were leaving

830
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,199
and they're coming back. They weren't even half way back

831
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:56,760
on the same trail, and in the middle of the

832
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,119
trail were two.

833
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,079
Speaker 3: Rock turns in.

834
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: The first rock Curn was awakie talkie and the second

835
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,440
rock Curn was one of the photos they or I

836
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,719
should say. He made a phone call to me and

837
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,639
he asked me, you know, Ernie, what are we up against?

838
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,599
Are these things far more intelligent than what we are thinking?

839
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

840
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, how else do you think he can stay away

841
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,559
from you? Their senses are a lot better. That's how

842
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:35,840
they do it. They don't want anything to do with us.

843
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,519
We can't be trusted Native Americans that they are the

844
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:45,440
masters of the woods. They are the caretakers, the watchers.

845
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,000
That is who they are, and they are our ancestors.

846
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,920
We have a gene splice. Our DNA was hampered with

847
00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:57,360
at one time. Look that up at how long ago.

848
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,920
It's called a junk gene? Why what are we missing?

849
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,719
What are we being misled about? Look up how long

850
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,440
ago that happened? And then if you ever get a chance,

851
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:17,840
look up Big put Quest Magazine, god Gatewood Winter of

852
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,360
twenty twenty four, Blue Eyed Squatch. It just may blow

853
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:28,360
your mind where Blue Eyes actually did come from. And

854
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,400
all the research information is right there that you can

855
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,559
go back and look at it and you can come

856
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:37,639
up with your time frame and everything. It's incredible. So

857
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:44,639
could they be what we once were? It could very

858
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:49,119
well be, but we won't know that. A dead body

859
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,920
isn't going to tell you anything. But if you sit down,

860
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,119
Jane Goodall, did you can learn a lot more. But

861
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,320
behavior you may even get some answers. Since they are

862
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,519
capable of communicating.

863
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: Do you think that because they are able to communicate

864
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,440
with us and with each other, but they don't really

865
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,760
trust us, because again, we don't even trust ourselves. Why

866
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,559
why would they want to communicate?

867
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: While Brandon, let's put this out here like this, Okay,

868
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:33,440
perhaps there is more that I found. Okay, well, let's

869
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:37,960
just say this. Why would I want to communicate with

870
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:42,239
anybody unless there's something that I want you to know

871
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:49,320
that I have to offer you. What if what if

872
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,679
that was it that they could teach you something. Maybe

873
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:59,119
they taught the Native Americans about herbs, medicible plants, led

874
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:02,519
them to food source is what is it that they

875
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:06,360
can do that they could teach us? It is in

876
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:11,960
Native American prophecy that one day in the end of times,

877
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:16,000
if anybody's ever been to a powwow, that they will

878
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,559
come again, and they come from a certain direction, because

879
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:23,400
that opening to that sacred circle is always facing a

880
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,599
certain direction, no matter where you go, and they're going

881
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:28,880
to dance around the great fire, the sacred Fire with

882
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:34,679
us one more time. What do you think that it

883
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:41,159
is that we need right now in today's world that

884
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:45,280
they could possibly offer us. Could it be of a

885
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,039
spiritual value? When I tell people when people say to me, no,

886
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,239
what can we do now, Well, I told you years

887
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,159
ago and now you're here, so now there is truthfully

888
00:56:58,199 --> 00:56:59,880
only one thing that you can do, and that's prey.

889
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 3: That's pray.

890
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 2: And I don't really care if you pray to your rock,

891
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,599
if your rock is a god, or your tree as

892
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:11,360
a god, or whatever it is, take it seriously. Okay,

893
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,559
what if it's a spiritual value.

894
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: There's been someone that I've talked to prior and they'd

895
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:27,440
mentioned the whole gene splicing thing, like we basically they

896
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,320
were we would come from them, or they were like

897
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,320
an offshoot from us. But I've actually talked to a

898
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,639
couple different people and they've had the theories kind of

899
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:39,039
go off in different directions, but basically they are a

900
00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:41,880
lot more like us than what most people want to

901
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,679
admit to. And this happened I think the one said

902
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:51,679
about ten thousand years ago. Basically, if you go by

903
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:55,719
that's it's a kind of almost in the same timeframe

904
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:01,360
as the Neanderthal of the offshoots were. And I've always

905
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,480
wondered personally if like sasquatch type creatures were just another

906
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:09,199
hominid from that era that we just weren't aware of,

907
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,159
because again, we knew of other hominids, but we didn't

908
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:15,559
know were we. Like, it's straight because there was also

909
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,760
another version of humans that wasn't exactly human, and they

910
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,159
claimed that modernize Homo sapien wiped off like the cro

911
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,880
magnum and all the other ones. But what if these

912
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:29,760
ancient beings are just some of the remnants left of

913
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:30,760
what we used to be?

914
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:35,519
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I'm surprised. I'm actually shocked. Sounds like somebody

915
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:38,719
had been reading that magazine. I just mentioned the blue

916
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,000
eyes come from a certain group, and it dates back

917
00:58:42,039 --> 00:58:45,519
to that, and it is a gene mutation that started

918
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:50,639
with that group. Let me put this out there. Darwin

919
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,159
was paid to come up with what's that called? Does

920
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:54,159
human train there?

921
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: Right? Evolution? Yeah, it was paid to do that.

922
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,199
Speaker 2: So there was something when somebody paid your juice and

923
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,199
you do it the way they want you to do it.

924
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 3: But perhaps maybe you want.

925
00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:07,199
Speaker 2: To hide something in your painting or something. You want

926
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:08,480
to put something in here, so you hide it in

927
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:11,320
such a way it is and only certain people understand it.

928
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:16,920
So let me say this. Darwin says that there's a

929
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:22,079
missing link. How do you possibly know that anything is

930
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:27,920
missing unless you know what it is to begin with. Okay,

931
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,719
if you read the article by Ray Hardwood, it's going

932
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:38,079
to make people really think like this very well could be.

933
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:44,320
But they definitely can do something. They can do a

934
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,800
lot of things that we can't do. I was on

935
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:54,480
a show called Unredacted I think America unredacted. Great guy,

936
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:58,320
great show, and I mentioned supernatural and he corrected me.

937
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,840
He goes, oh wait, a minute. It's not supernatural, but

938
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:10,840
it is. It's super natural. Okay, they are super strong,

939
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,480
But is there something that they can do besides just that?

940
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:18,159
I would have to say, Yeah, let's take a little

941
01:00:18,239 --> 01:00:21,920
magic act. The magic act where you take somebody and

942
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,800
you lay them on the ground and one person takes

943
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:30,079
one finger and puts it underneath their arm round their elbow,

944
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:31,960
and you get another one on the other arm, and

945
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:35,239
another one down near the ankles on each side, and

946
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,360
one on the back of the head. It's what one, two,

947
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,000
three or five people?

948
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 3: Right?

949
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: Can you get kids? I weigh around two hundred and

950
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,480
thirty pounds. You can get kids using one finger each

951
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:49,360
five of them if you know how to get them

952
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,239
to concentrate, and they can lift me up off the ground.

953
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,519
It's the magic trick that you can actually find online

954
01:00:56,519 --> 01:01:00,360
and do yourself. But they call it a magic trick.

955
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:03,480
So what what if it's got something to do with

956
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:08,039
the power of our mind that we're being distracted that

957
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:10,320
we don't know how to access.

958
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,639
Speaker 1: That most of our brain we don't access any It

959
01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:16,920
was like thirty percent of our brain capacity that we

960
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,880
actually use. The other seventy percent just lays dormant.

961
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know.

962
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,719
Speaker 2: People, people people, They they think they don't have an ego,

963
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,920
they think they're not biased. Well, you're untrustworthy because you

964
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,639
are because you don't know yourself. I dug inside myself

965
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,320
instead of going down all these rabbit holes, I dug

966
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,320
deep down inside myself why me? And I started really

967
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,800
looking at why did this happen? What is in this?

968
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:50,679
And it's a message in there. And this is a

969
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:55,519
message that comes from forty years ago to everybody. Forty

970
01:01:55,639 --> 01:02:00,440
years that's a long time. You could have had this

971
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:07,679
information forty years ago. But why are we still stuck

972
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:12,360
on tracks? Some people say tracks are not a proof

973
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,239
of existence. Really, let's go hunting, and let's depend on

974
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:20,880
solely what we get. If you choose to go into

975
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,119
a field with no deer tracks in it or rabbit

976
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,400
signs of rabbits in it, and I choose just the opposite,

977
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,639
you're going to starve to death, because that's absolute proof

978
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:33,800
that the rabbits are there and the deers are there.

979
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,920
And when you see these tracks, they're there. You know,

980
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:40,199
do some of them appear to disappear?

981
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, but let's not forget these things.

982
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 2: They can, they can not only just run fast, they

983
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,880
can jump far. You know, there's been experiments on trying

984
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:58,000
to tag them with I think a burr, and they

985
01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:05,199
actually using that system. I think it was something like

986
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:10,360
seventy miles or so through the woods. This thing was

987
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,559
running and was outpacing them under ATVs. They could not

988
01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:18,360
keep up with it. They finally lost it. Okay, it

989
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,599
knew it was being followed. They always take the high

990
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:25,519
ground if they can. They always watch out, you know,

991
01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:28,679
if there's a family unit nearby. What would you do

992
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:34,639
if you're smart? And they obviously are tactical because flank

993
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:37,920
and me is a tactical maneuver. What they were doing

994
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:42,519
by hunting those deer was tactical, okay, so why would

995
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:45,920
they not what we do that We'll set one guy

996
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:48,760
up or a couple of guys up around us while

997
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,639
we take a nap, and they can watch out for trouble.

998
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:55,280
How would you warn the other ones that were in

999
01:03:55,360 --> 01:04:01,679
your party? We as human beings, even in war, we

1000
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,159
use hand signals.

1001
01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 3: Now.

1002
01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: Where I learned the answers to that? I was at

1003
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,960
a powwow and I was really seeking out to speak

1004
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:15,519
with knowledgeable people, and I figured that the medicine woman

1005
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:20,239
would know, okay, And she told me to hold on

1006
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,599
and she went in the back where all the tents were,

1007
01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:24,039
and she came back out. She goes, there's a man

1008
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:27,360
that wants to speak to you, Ernie. And I followed

1009
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,639
her back out there, and in the back they had

1010
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:33,920
like blankets hung up so they could make little roomed

1011
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,920
her people get dressed up in the regalia and stuff.

1012
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,360
And inside that room was a man by the name

1013
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,800
of Chief Earnest, a great great grandson of Sitting Bull.

1014
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:46,920
And I've got the chance to sit down and talk

1015
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,840
to that man for a pretty good length of time.

1016
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,239
And he told me of those hand gestures meant.

1017
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:57,079
Speaker 3: Now.

1018
01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:00,199
Speaker 2: Some people will say, well, is it Native American? Well,

1019
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:03,039
let's look at while Bill Cody's conference he had with

1020
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:07,360
what six or seven nations are better. They all pretty

1021
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,480
much had their own sign language, but there was nuances

1022
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,639
in them so that they could work it out and

1023
01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:16,400
understand each other because they didn't understand each other's language.

1024
01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:20,159
So is this something that has to do with it too?

1025
01:05:21,079 --> 01:05:25,199
Did they have an area? Yeah, definitely. They are far

1026
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,440
smarter than what we give them credit for. And they

1027
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,599
are heavily attracted to people that show that respect and

1028
01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:39,519
are spiritually connected to the woods.

1029
01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: I kinda and without going is full on blown conspiracy person.

1030
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:48,800
I feel like they've known about these creatures for a

1031
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:54,559
long time and they just don't want us to know

1032
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,719
about it. And I think that's why a lot of

1033
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:01,079
the old Native American ways of life and the way

1034
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:04,400
because when the first settlers came over, they claimed a

1035
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,920
lot of this type of stuff that Native Americans talked about,

1036
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,679
like the spiritual aspects or whatever. Clearly it was all

1037
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,920
witchcraft because look at what they did. They burned all

1038
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,719
these ladies and stuff for being witches and everything. So

1039
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,679
for us over here with our Christian based things from Europe,

1040
01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:22,199
we came over here in anything that wasn't Christianity. They

1041
01:06:22,239 --> 01:06:25,639
started to pillage and plunder and get rid of all

1042
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:28,800
that stuff. And I think the Native Americans were very

1043
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,840
much in touch with the natural order of the world,

1044
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:37,159
and here we are hundreds of years later, and they

1045
01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:39,360
just don't want to rock that boat. They want to

1046
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,719
keep whatever thing that they've had going. Because if they

1047
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,320
come out and say that there are a hominid species

1048
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,679
that are on par with humans, if not even further

1049
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,320
advanced in the sense of how they are as a bean.

1050
01:06:54,599 --> 01:06:57,800
It contradicts a lot of the foundations that we've built

1051
01:06:58,199 --> 01:06:59,119
as a society.

1052
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:04,039
Speaker 2: Sure, sure we carry on with that today. One religion

1053
01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:07,519
against the other, one willing to kill each other or

1054
01:07:07,559 --> 01:07:10,559
their religion. That's what we are. We are very warlike

1055
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:16,440
and we would do that. Okay, scientific community, people don't understand.

1056
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,280
For a hypothesis, you need to prove it twice. So

1057
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,840
when you hear somebody say, yeah, we got to get

1058
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:27,440
a dead body, No, you have to get two. Okay, Okay,

1059
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,960
So and you know what, You're not going to get

1060
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,679
any answers out of it except that, Wow, there we go.

1061
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:37,039
There's one rate there. Okay, so you're spot on with that.

1062
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:41,400
Are there benevolent things that are out there? I can

1063
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,199
say this in all honesty. I went to a parochial

1064
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:50,920
school for a time and we went to Sunday church

1065
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:58,199
all the time. Every Sunday. I stopped because if this exists,

1066
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:02,360
which it does, then what else is out there?

1067
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 3: As in the.

1068
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: Days of Noah the veil was lifted and the world

1069
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:11,920
was destroyed basically because of it, because people started worshiping

1070
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,360
these things, different things that were out there or benevolent

1071
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,279
because you can be tricked. Here's another one for you.

1072
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,439
I've worked with people who worked with the Warrens and

1073
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,119
we would talk back and forth. And one of my

1074
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,800
things was, because I like to use an analogy. If

1075
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,840
you can have a haunted house with orbs in it

1076
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,600
and everything, and you can have a haunted battlefield with

1077
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:39,279
ghosts and orbs in it and everything, then why can't

1078
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,119
the woods also be haunted?

1079
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 1: All right, I've talked to someone before. You might know

1080
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,199
who he is. He is an author. I think it's

1081
01:08:52,199 --> 01:08:54,840
w or T. W Watson or W. T. Watson's what

1082
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,359
he goes by. But he wrote a book a couple

1083
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:01,880
of years ago called Bigfoot the Forest Poltergeist, And I

1084
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,359
bring this up often when people kind of go on

1085
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:08,800
that side. He said, if you look at people's ponted

1086
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,520
house activity and you hear all the noises that they make,

1087
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,880
or things get moved, things get thrown around, whatever, you'd

1088
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,800
say you have a poltergeist. But if you put all

1089
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,000
that out in the woods, you say there's bigfoot around.

1090
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:24,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of things that are affiliated with

1091
01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:28,039
the forest people. There's a lot of things I believe

1092
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,760
they can do. When I first started doing all of

1093
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:36,199
this I believe strictly flesh and blood because that's what

1094
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:38,720
I've seen, that's what I encountered, that's what happened, That's

1095
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,800
what I had to go by. But through investigation and research,

1096
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:48,600
deep deep research, talking to many, many eyewitnesses who don't

1097
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:53,960
like to talk to other people because they wouldn't understand.

1098
01:09:54,199 --> 01:09:56,880
That's one of the reasons why I came forward to

1099
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,880
give them the courage to step forward, because I didn't

1100
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,000
want to be the only man standing in the field

1101
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,800
lock elbows with me. They definitely do use sign language.

1102
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,800
They can and they have with other people. They can

1103
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,039
do something that we can't do, and the message is

1104
01:10:15,079 --> 01:10:15,640
out there.

1105
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 1: When it all comes about, what do you think it's

1106
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:28,039
going to take to make someone actually understand that these

1107
01:10:28,039 --> 01:10:30,600
things are out there? Do you think it's really gonna

1108
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,880
have to take? Like at this point, we live in

1109
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,439
a technology version of AI, So everything out there that

1110
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,600
gets put up as a photo or a video, everyone's

1111
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:38,640
going to write it off now.

1112
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 3: And so.

1113
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:47,359
Speaker 1: Say, even with a body at this point, I still

1114
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:51,159
think there's gonna be naysayers that are gonna sure not

1115
01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:53,680
go along with it. So this one's going to have

1116
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,960
to be captured and like the Joe public gets to

1117
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,640
go and visit him, or something like, I don't know

1118
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,279
what it's going to take for people to wake up.

1119
01:11:01,319 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 3: Well, they're not going to. You know.

1120
01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:07,399
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll get aggravated and I'll be on somebody's form

1121
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:07,880
or whatever.

1122
01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:10,319
Speaker 3: It just happened, and I.

1123
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:18,279
Speaker 2: Gave the impression that I was a podcaster, and I said,

1124
01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:21,279
you know, nobody's going to do this, and I'd like

1125
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:23,920
to be the first to do this. I'd like to

1126
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:28,000
have you on the show as somebody because you you

1127
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,159
don't believe that they're there. You're convinced that they're not there.

1128
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:36,359
Could you please come on my show and show the

1129
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,880
audience the proof that they're not there. They do not exist.

1130
01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:44,239
This is something in everybody's minds. It would be fantastic

1131
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:46,840
to have you on the show. Would you be willing

1132
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,000
to do something like that? And his reply back to

1133
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:54,439
me was, well, they're liars. I said, you can't use that.

1134
01:11:55,399 --> 01:11:57,760
I said, that's all you have is to say they're liars.

1135
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,319
He goes with, where's your proof? I said, on the

1136
01:12:01,359 --> 01:12:05,479
world's largest library, it's all right there. The tracks are there.

1137
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,960
That's proof of existence right there alone, as you can

1138
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,720
say and you can bully whatever, which way do you

1139
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,760
want to do it to the eyewitnesses. It's not going

1140
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:19,840
to change anything because of your fears. Okay, now you're

1141
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,039
going to get to AI. Only you can see that

1142
01:12:22,079 --> 01:12:26,319
pictures above my head right there. That's an actual artist's

1143
01:12:26,359 --> 01:12:27,960
rendition right there.

1144
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 3: Let me just.

1145
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: State this that I could probably sell a thousand T

1146
01:12:35,079 --> 01:12:38,039
shirts with AI on it in that one there, and

1147
01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:44,520
I assure you, okay, people fage away from I haven't

1148
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,840
sold very many of those at all. As a matter

1149
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:48,760
of fact, I get rid of them and basically game

1150
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:53,439
to somebody else, okay, to do to do you know whatever,

1151
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:59,479
because I'm a lot older now. But it's uncan any

1152
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,520
valley what it's called. Our minds are going to play

1153
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,079
all kinds of tricks on us, and we can't just

1154
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:09,640
sit and say, yeah, okay, I understand that is No.

1155
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,079
You have to recognize, become aware of what it is

1156
01:13:12,119 --> 01:13:14,640
and you and you are suffering from it. In order

1157
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:19,079
to do this, you need to understand the box, the

1158
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:22,199
sandbox that you were sitting in. Once you understand it

1159
01:13:22,199 --> 01:13:24,039
and become aware of it, you have to get out

1160
01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:27,760
of that sandbox and leave your toys in the box

1161
01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:31,800
and start thinking outside the box, just like you would

1162
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,479
if you went to college. You need to start thinking

1163
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,720
outside the box to put it all together.

1164
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 3: Ai.

1165
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 2: Almost two years ago, everybody was oh ai AI, And

1166
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:48,039
I told everybody is this is going to destroy the community.

1167
01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:50,800
It's going to totally muddy the water and your red

1168
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,600
circles and your blurry pictures. Let me be quite frank

1169
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:59,520
here me as an eyewitness. If I had one standing

1170
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,079
in front of me and I took that picture and

1171
01:14:01,119 --> 01:14:03,960
it was blurry, believe me, I am not going to

1172
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,079
put it up for you to look at because it

1173
01:14:07,119 --> 01:14:09,079
would be such a disappointment to me.

1174
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 3: Think about that.

1175
01:14:11,039 --> 01:14:14,279
Speaker 2: If you have to draw circles around it, there's a problem.

1176
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:18,079
It doesn't count. It really doesn't. And we're going to

1177
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:23,800
go by the BFRO classifications. A class A is fifty yards,

1178
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:29,680
a class B is what sounds. If that's the fact,

1179
01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:36,560
then what did I myself have along with a very

1180
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:40,279
small group of all the eyewitness reports that anybody's ever heard.

1181
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:46,000
Out of a thousand reports, there's probably less than one

1182
01:14:46,079 --> 01:14:50,199
percent of those who have been this close. And can

1183
01:14:50,279 --> 01:14:54,760
I really really identify it? The average sighting is between

1184
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:59,119
five and eleven seconds, never mind distance and lighting conditions

1185
01:14:59,119 --> 01:15:02,199
and fight or flight, an uncanny valley, and everything else

1186
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:05,319
psychologically is going on in your head between five and

1187
01:15:05,399 --> 01:15:08,439
eleven seconds. You're not a Green Beret, you're not a

1188
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:13,800
Navy seal. Don't try to pull it off as that. Okay,

1189
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,800
you didn't have that much time. You probably wouldn't be

1190
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,600
able to identify your mother in low light conditions running

1191
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,399
on the edge of a tree line at seventy five

1192
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,960
yards out. You wouldn't know what she was wearing or

1193
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,399
if she was wearing anything. So we have to look

1194
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,239
at those. The podcasters are having a brutal time sorting

1195
01:15:34,319 --> 01:15:39,079
people out. We have to hear everybody, everybody, because some

1196
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:43,319
people may embellish their story, you know, so we have

1197
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,159
to so there might be some piece of evidence in there.

1198
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:50,119
Are you going to get the people that are good liars,

1199
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:56,439
really good liars? They are smart enough, okay, you're smart enough,

1200
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,920
criminally smart to be able to glean information out of

1201
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:02,920
what they know is the truth. Because how a liar

1202
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,600
is going to know the truth right and take that

1203
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,920
and to incorporate it into a story to get on

1204
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,039
a podcast. Let me put this out there for everybody.

1205
01:16:13,159 --> 01:16:16,840
I haven't admitted dying. I'm being on somebody's podcast. The

1206
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:21,359
podcast makes it by trying to bring you the evidence

1207
01:16:22,399 --> 01:16:28,359
through the eyewitness that you are asking an eyewitness to relive.

1208
01:16:29,239 --> 01:16:32,960
That would be like trying to get a combat veteran

1209
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:38,880
is suffering PTSD to relive a situation again. And then

1210
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,119
some people feel that, well, you know what, I have

1211
01:16:41,159 --> 01:16:42,920
the right he put himself out there, has the right

1212
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,680
to call him a liar and this that no, you don't.

1213
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:47,800
I have every right to come back and get you

1214
01:16:48,079 --> 01:16:53,600
and call you names. Also, so that goes out to

1215
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,239
all the people. If you firmly believe they do not

1216
01:16:56,319 --> 01:16:59,960
do it, start a podcast and get your people out there.

1217
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:02,760
There's a group that's out there that they basically full

1218
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,439
of them. Is why witnesses don't last two minutes on

1219
01:17:07,079 --> 01:17:10,159
that on that form, it's a joke. I'm a member

1220
01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:13,279
of that group because I'm there. I'm there for exactly

1221
01:17:13,359 --> 01:17:16,319
why I said, I'm there to let that eyewitness know

1222
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:17,680
that there is somebody here.

1223
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: I've seen the groups that like to belittle everybody that

1224
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,319
come on there and say that. I don't know why

1225
01:17:24,319 --> 01:17:27,359
people even go there and say anything without researching the group.

1226
01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:32,000
Because as soon as you start saying something then. But

1227
01:17:32,039 --> 01:17:36,359
there's also there's also groups that annoy me because they

1228
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,920
actually I think it's okay for some people to be

1229
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,600
skeptical about certain people's claims because some of the things

1230
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,960
you even touch base on it, Like I've seen so

1231
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,399
many blurry photos and red circles that it's really hard

1232
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:51,920
to take anything seriously when someone claims they have so

1233
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,439
many experiences day in and day out, but yet they've

1234
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,319
shown you absolutely nothing.

1235
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1236
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's there's a lot of red flags in there,

1237
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,359
and I won't give them all up. You know, there

1238
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,760
was a time that I wouldn't give a complete description

1239
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,239
of what I saw because I knew that this AI

1240
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,600
was going to come about and people were going to

1241
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:17,079
try to get to refine it and refine it until

1242
01:18:17,279 --> 01:18:19,399
and they would even contact me or other people would

1243
01:18:19,399 --> 01:18:21,520
contact me for them and say, is this close to

1244
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,439
what you saw? Well, you know, the more information to

1245
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,560
feed into that algorithm, the more the AI is going

1246
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,600
to use that. And if you feed it the wrong information,

1247
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:36,560
then it's the wrong stuff out there. That's how that works. Yes,

1248
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,720
I've heard some stories that I know were not true,

1249
01:18:41,319 --> 01:18:44,359
but I felt really, really bad for the individual because

1250
01:18:44,359 --> 01:18:46,640
I knew. I knew that there was something else that

1251
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,039
was going on there that we won't get into. That

1252
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:56,359
this person was really psychologically injured by somebody else or whatever,

1253
01:18:57,239 --> 01:19:01,720
and or are suffering from something. And it's not my

1254
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,520
call to say something like that. Only that I can

1255
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:10,359
just say, okay, okay, good. You know it's it's not good,

1256
01:19:10,359 --> 01:19:14,319
but it is okay. As podcasters, I try to tell

1257
01:19:14,359 --> 01:19:18,159
some podcasters you got somebody, you got my name.

1258
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 3: I used to do it for a man.

1259
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:26,239
Speaker 2: I'd name a Larry Batson, great guy passed away. Won't

1260
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:29,319
I won't go into detail, but in any case, that's

1261
01:19:29,319 --> 01:19:32,199
what he would do. That's how I met Carry Arnold.

1262
01:19:32,279 --> 01:19:33,920
That's how I met a lot of people that are

1263
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,239
doing podcasts today. They had encounters. I was the guy

1264
01:19:37,279 --> 01:19:40,640
they first spoke with. I was the guy that vetted

1265
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,600
them and got them on their first shows because I

1266
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:45,960
knew they were telling me the truth.

1267
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people will mistake a lot

1268
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:55,000
of the podcast. And I don't try and sound like

1269
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,560
I'm holier than now because I really don't care about

1270
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,560
any of that stuff. But I know there's people out

1271
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,079
there that literally are doing the podcast just as a

1272
01:20:04,119 --> 01:20:08,880
way of making money. Correct, I don't make shit for

1273
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,560
what I do on this show. And like, there are

1274
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,880
some out there that literally they don't care what the

1275
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:17,000
story is. They don't care if it's complete and utter crap.

1276
01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:21,079
They will literally put it out there just because it's content,

1277
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:25,079
and that content generates the money and they live high

1278
01:20:25,079 --> 01:20:29,840
on the hog. So everyone thinks, and that's just there.

1279
01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:33,079
I have a full time job, Like, yeah, I make

1280
01:20:33,119 --> 01:20:35,239
some money here and there, but it's basically enough to

1281
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:37,159
keep the lights on in the place. I'm not living

1282
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:40,800
a lucrator business. And it would take a lot in

1283
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,880
order for me to not quit my normal job, because

1284
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:44,760
my normal job is a lot better than what I

1285
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,720
do for this. I do this for the fact that

1286
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:48,079
I want answers.

1287
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 3: They know they're doing it.

1288
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:53,520
Speaker 2: They know they're doing it, you know, and they do

1289
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,039
it because they they can't got all these people and everything,

1290
01:20:57,119 --> 01:21:00,479
so they're taking it down that road. Because the majority

1291
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,920
of people, it was a pet Barnum had a little

1292
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,760
saying there. The more majority of people like a bedtime story.

1293
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,600
They love a bedtime story. They love scary stories. They

1294
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,880
like to sit around the fire and tell scary stories. Okay,

1295
01:21:16,279 --> 01:21:19,079
This is not a scary story in a way, but

1296
01:21:19,119 --> 01:21:23,560
in a way it should be very scary to some people. Okay,

1297
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:30,119
they want that story. I've had many comments, not many comments,

1298
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:33,760
but I've had a few comments anyways that people are like, well,

1299
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,800
he was hard to follow. He gave out too much information.

1300
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,800
What do you really think was going through my mind

1301
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:42,640
that day? What was going through my mind is something

1302
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,760
phenomenal is happening to me, and I need to take

1303
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,720
as much information as I possibly can. The military trained

1304
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:54,199
me to do that. Fighting trained me to do that,

1305
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,920
to remain calm in the moment so that I could

1306
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:03,000
take in that information and and relate the information to you.

1307
01:22:03,319 --> 01:22:06,720
Otherwise it would have been nothing but a story, a

1308
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:11,760
simple little bedtime story. But you've got all the information,

1309
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:17,279
and people, it's on you, if you're trustworthy, use it.

1310
01:22:18,039 --> 01:22:22,079
I've put this out and I've pleaded with people. You know,

1311
01:22:22,159 --> 01:22:26,039
some people may sound may think, well, he's arrogant or whatever.

1312
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 3: Whatever.

1313
01:22:27,399 --> 01:22:31,079
Speaker 2: I've had people make fun of me about my teeth. Okay,

1314
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:35,600
before I got teeth, all right, it had no bearing

1315
01:22:37,119 --> 01:22:43,560
on the encounter or the amount of information that I received.

1316
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,039
I had really good teeth back when it happened.

1317
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 1: People just have reasons to find an excuse to make

1318
01:22:52,319 --> 01:22:57,199
someone else not be credible. They look for whatever they

1319
01:22:57,239 --> 01:23:01,279
can just to try and ridicule someone, or just because

1320
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:04,840
they don't want to believe. And therefore everyone is automatically

1321
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:06,640
a liar because they refuse to believe.

1322
01:23:07,119 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 3: It's too hard. It's too hard to believe.

1323
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 2: I had stories, true stories of people, of groups of

1324
01:23:15,039 --> 01:23:18,680
people that were so scared. A priest in one of

1325
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,960
them that was so scared he asked these people who

1326
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,119
brought him in there to never speak about it to

1327
01:23:26,199 --> 01:23:28,520
anybody because he didn't want it to get back to

1328
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:33,560
the church. Think about that the area that I was in,

1329
01:23:34,079 --> 01:23:36,560
Let me tell you one good thing about that area

1330
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:41,960
or it be in steep and legend. Several of my

1331
01:23:42,079 --> 01:23:46,520
friends were taken out of there by the Army National

1332
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:51,119
Guard for being in there. You're not allowed to be

1333
01:23:51,159 --> 01:23:55,640
in there in that area. I went in there because

1334
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,960
we liked the fish. We were from the hilltowns. I

1335
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,279
went in there with a friend of mine, and guess

1336
01:24:02,279 --> 01:24:07,800
what happened. The helicopter came in. They never got us,

1337
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:11,960
but they knew exactly where I was. And my buddy

1338
01:24:12,119 --> 01:24:14,600
was how do you think they knew that was nothing

1339
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:18,680
but ground sensors. If you knew where I was and

1340
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:24,439
my buddy was by that use, then you also know

1341
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:29,640
that they are there m H as government property. They

1342
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,359
know that they're there. If they were to bring that out,

1343
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,399
if they were admit to all of this and guess

1344
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:39,039
what this isn't a salamander, a rare salamander or a

1345
01:24:39,119 --> 01:24:44,000
rare frog that will stop logging in an area. This

1346
01:24:44,079 --> 01:24:49,319
is the forest people, and we would have to stop

1347
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:53,159
all kinds of things like cracking and logging and everything

1348
01:24:53,159 --> 01:24:58,520
else and give them their their land back.

1349
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,279
Speaker 1: I don't think it would sit well with most people

1350
01:25:04,319 --> 01:25:06,920
in general, for the fact, thinking that there's these wild

1351
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,640
men quote unquote running around in their woods behind their

1352
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:13,560
house and they'd be afraid. I think that throughout the

1353
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:17,279
whole UFO and alien aspect, it's they claim that they

1354
01:25:17,319 --> 01:25:20,840
can't do disclosure because the average person can't accept it.

1355
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,520
I think it's the same way with like Bigfoot. If

1356
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,199
they were to tell people that these things were real,

1357
01:25:26,199 --> 01:25:27,960
I don't think the average person could accept it.

1358
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 2: That's exactly why I point to this picture behind me.

1359
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,399
One of these pictures that I have is I sold

1360
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,079
forty five for those like in a two year period

1361
01:25:38,119 --> 01:25:45,199
of time. Why because you can't accept what they really

1362
01:25:45,239 --> 01:25:48,920
look like, and that is they look very human like.

1363
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,560
The closer than you are and the more time you

1364
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:59,279
have with your mind to observe this situation, that's exactly right.

1365
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,880
Let's go back and look at Jane Goodall. What were

1366
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:07,119
the descriptions she was getting That took an amazing amount

1367
01:26:07,279 --> 01:26:11,079
of brass to do what she did and to prove it.

1368
01:26:11,279 --> 01:26:13,520
And it wasn't just going up there and doing it.

1369
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:22,760
She went against mainstream academia. Okay, when you want to

1370
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,920
publish a piece of paper, you have to have these

1371
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:31,119
people sign off on it. These people look at your paperwork.

1372
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,680
They've already done their doctorate, and they already done their thesis.

1373
01:26:35,239 --> 01:26:37,800
They would have to sign off and saying basically what

1374
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,840
they did is a little flawed. Who wants to do

1375
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,680
that when you're collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars a

1376
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:49,239
year as being a speaker or whatever the.

1377
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:52,399
Speaker 3: Case may be. If you notice.

1378
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,159
Speaker 2: At conferences the people now are saying, we want to

1379
01:26:57,159 --> 01:27:00,800
hear from the real eyewitnesses. Why they're catching on.

1380
01:27:02,279 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 3: To the show?

1381
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:08,199
Speaker 2: You got people wearing three foot long bowie knives with

1382
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,399
hand handcuffs on there? What do you plan to do

1383
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:14,520
with the handcuffs? The pretty boys, the pretty girls? Where

1384
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:18,960
all these shows that are out there, I'll come you

1385
01:27:19,039 --> 01:27:21,720
have not used anything that I have said. How come

1386
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,039
you have not gotten that close to them? How come

1387
01:27:24,079 --> 01:27:26,279
you have not done the Jane Goodall thing with Don

1388
01:27:27,079 --> 01:27:27,720
and done that.

1389
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: Why I could tell you some stories about some of

1390
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,640
the TV stars, but that'll get me canceled.

1391
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,119
Speaker 3: Oh yes it will. That's why I try not to say,

1392
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,560
you know who were anything like that. But they know me.

1393
01:27:42,319 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 2: I'll guarantee that they probably know me. Even though I

1394
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,079
might not know them, they definitely know me, and they

1395
01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:47,880
know this story.

1396
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up with it?

1397
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 2: You know, you'll put somebody on a show you'll hear

1398
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:58,680
You'll hear me, and you'll say, nah, man peez.

1399
01:27:59,159 --> 01:27:59,359
Speaker 3: You know.

1400
01:28:00,279 --> 01:28:02,119
Speaker 2: The first thing that was told to me was by

1401
01:28:02,199 --> 01:28:06,039
Carry Arnold. And I interviewed Carrie Arnold and he said,

1402
01:28:06,039 --> 01:28:10,000
you know, you just don't have that drama that hype.

1403
01:28:10,079 --> 01:28:11,479
I said, I can't do that. I don't know if

1404
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,359
I do or if I don't, but I don't think

1405
01:28:13,399 --> 01:28:18,039
I do. I can't act a certain way to make

1406
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:24,640
something sound so fantastical or whatever. This is what happened.

1407
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,560
This is who I am. That's it. I'm just a person,

1408
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,640
you know. I am who I am shaped by what

1409
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:33,760
I lived through my life.

1410
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,640
Speaker 1: Someone criticized me for my own experience that I had

1411
01:28:39,239 --> 01:28:44,279
years ago, and it wasn't because they didn't believe it.

1412
01:28:44,319 --> 01:28:48,760
They just said it wasn't really all that interesting. I'm sorry.

1413
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll guarantee I don't think i've ever heard your

1414
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,600
story about I bet you that I could probably find

1415
01:28:55,640 --> 01:29:02,439
something in that story that is helpful to everybody, including

1416
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:04,840
your your frame of mind when it was going on.

1417
01:29:05,159 --> 01:29:09,399
Were you thinking right before that happened that morning or

1418
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:11,159
you know, hours before that?

1419
01:29:11,239 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 3: What were you thinking of? That was the question my

1420
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:14,199
wife asked me.

1421
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:15,119
Speaker 1: M m.

1422
01:29:15,239 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 2: That's what drove me on that trail of what was

1423
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:18,800
everybody thinking?

1424
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 3: And you know what I found.

1425
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 2: I found so far just about every single person had

1426
01:29:25,039 --> 01:29:28,800
the same thing going on in their minds, the same

1427
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:36,880
same thing, very spiritual thing. Okay, something happened, something happened

1428
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:42,479
in our lives, our minds were on somebody else or whatever.

1429
01:29:43,119 --> 01:29:48,319
I can guarantee you this. It's sad when somebody dies

1430
01:29:48,359 --> 01:29:53,880
in your life. But you will never doubt, ever doubt

1431
01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:59,439
that there is something beyond that if it happens to you,

1432
01:30:00,119 --> 01:30:03,520
And I pray if something happens, whoever is listening to

1433
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:07,760
this that I'm around, and you remember my name or

1434
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,640
Brandon or many other podcasts that I've been on, and

1435
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:14,880
you call them and you tell them, because you are

1436
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:19,520
going to need somebody to speak with who will relate

1437
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:23,600
to you and understand and be able to tell you,

1438
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:27,079
to give you some answers. I hope that this gives

1439
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:32,600
some people some answers other people. I hope you had

1440
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:36,800
a good bedtime story. Okay, now you can go get

1441
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:41,039
self tucked in, get your little hot Toddy or whatever,

1442
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,720
but it will never change what was really out there.

1443
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. On that note, we can probably wrap this one

1444
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:53,359
up because I've been looking at it here and it

1445
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,720
is twenty two degrees where I'm sitting right now.

1446
01:30:58,399 --> 01:31:01,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what I get this. This is

1447
01:31:01,239 --> 01:31:04,279
a coat I got. It was made. I believe that

1448
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:11,119
maybe in Pakistan. I think it's a freezer coat.

1449
01:31:11,359 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you what I could.

1450
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: Probably stand out there and minus twenty weather. You know,

1451
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:21,520
ski equipment, snowmbobill on equipment is the best. It is

1452
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:24,079
the best. Everybody wants to brag about it. But it's

1453
01:31:24,119 --> 01:31:26,359
called zero movement. I don't have to move around, and

1454
01:31:26,399 --> 01:31:29,199
I'm sweating. Yeah, I got a little space here here,

1455
01:31:29,239 --> 01:31:32,439
But you know, I feel for you.

1456
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:35,039
Speaker 1: That I've got my two cars. I got my car

1457
01:31:35,039 --> 01:31:38,199
Heart hoodie and my car Heart jacket on. But my

1458
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:39,239
feet are cold.

1459
01:31:39,079 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 2: So mine too, I'm wearing because I'm down here in Kentucky.

1460
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:46,880
I wear these big Paul muckers because I just don't

1461
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,479
like I've been bitten twice in my life. I just

1462
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,600
don't like creepy crawley things seeking up by me.

1463
01:31:54,279 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know I don't blame you for that.

1464
01:32:00,119 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 2: For my feet are cold and kind of cold in

1465
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,399
these now they're only good for like down to thirty

1466
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:08,680
degrees yea, though it's felt the same temperature. Here is

1467
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:11,000
where you are, Brandon. You know, I thought I had

1468
01:32:11,039 --> 01:32:14,880
met you before, and now that I see you, I

1469
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,159
know that I've never met you. And I've been saying

1470
01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:21,359
to myself, how is it that this guy Brandon tinfoil

1471
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:25,359
tails slipped by me? You know that we never spoke

1472
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,880
because I never well, I can't say I never have

1473
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,600
it because I've only done it three times where I've

1474
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,279
seen maybe you were one of them that put it

1475
01:32:34,319 --> 01:32:37,159
out there on your post that you're looking for somebody,

1476
01:32:37,239 --> 01:32:40,359
and I say, I'll do it for you, just because

1477
01:32:40,399 --> 01:32:45,880
there are no coincidences. There's a reason, absolutely for everything.

1478
01:32:46,119 --> 01:32:49,319
If you really take it seriously and look at it,

1479
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,680
you can eliminate it that it was not a coincidence.

1480
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,399
It was absolutely a reason for it.

1481
01:32:57,159 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: I try not to say there's too many coincidences. That's

1482
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,079
one of the things that I don't really believe. And

1483
01:33:01,079 --> 01:33:03,520
I think things happen for a reason, and.

1484
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:04,560
Speaker 3: Words are magical.

1485
01:33:05,119 --> 01:33:08,119
Speaker 2: So if you plan on writing in my car, don't

1486
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:09,680
ever get in my car and say, I hope we

1487
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,760
don't get a flat tire, because I will pull over

1488
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:17,000
and I will let you out right there. There's things

1489
01:33:17,079 --> 01:33:20,960
like down here people are learning because I kind of secluded.

1490
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:26,279
So it's real hill town people, real family oriented people,

1491
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,239
and they'll say, well, it's supposed to don't talk about it.

1492
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,439
If you talk about it, you're probably going to manifest it.

1493
01:33:35,159 --> 01:33:39,279
The super power of the manifestation. Doctor Dwayne Dyer Okay

1494
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,720
shot the Galla in a whole bunch of them so

1495
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:48,039
you can imagine. I've read a lot of books on

1496
01:33:49,159 --> 01:33:54,119
spiritual things because I needed to know what happened to

1497
01:33:54,119 --> 01:33:59,520
me and why me? And why me? Is I have

1498
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:04,279
a message and this is part of it right here

1499
01:34:04,319 --> 01:34:07,760
that you've heard tonight. Indeed, there is something they have

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01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:09,760
to offer us.

1501
01:34:10,279 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 1: For anyone listening if they would like to hear more

1502
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,439
from you. Is there a way that they can reach

1503
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:18,039
out to you or somewhere where they can go to

1504
01:34:18,079 --> 01:34:19,520
context you?

1505
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:23,079
Speaker 2: You can go to you can you can actually get

1506
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:30,560
get merchandise from Richie Banter with Richie and Wojo, or

1507
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:33,479
I can direct you if you go on X because

1508
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,760
I'm almost all done with Facebook. You go on X

1509
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:44,000
and I'm on X as my whole name and Sasquatch Whisperer, Okay,

1510
01:34:44,039 --> 01:34:49,119
so would be Ernie Daviel Sasquatch Whisperer, and anything that

1511
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:53,520
I have I'm transferring over for information like on Canny

1512
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:57,439
Valley ancient language, evolution, stuff like that.

1513
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 3: So just go on there.

1514
01:34:59,359 --> 01:35:03,079
Speaker 2: You know. I like it a lot better. I don't

1515
01:35:03,119 --> 01:35:06,000
have to put up with politics and hate. Hate is

1516
01:35:06,039 --> 01:35:11,039
such a bad, bad word. We should never hate, and

1517
01:35:11,039 --> 01:35:13,039
that's what makes us untrustworthy.

1518
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 1: M m that is the whole community at this point

1519
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:23,760
as a bunch of hatred. That's what it seems like.

1520
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:29,600
Speaker 2: Hatred, jealousy, egos, you name it, it's there, you know,

1521
01:35:30,079 --> 01:35:32,159
and to filter through it, you can only imagine that

1522
01:35:32,199 --> 01:35:34,680
a newbie had just had a sighting today or an

1523
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:39,399
hour ago. I hope you hear this message. I hope

1524
01:35:39,399 --> 01:35:45,199
that you seek out this some of this knowledge and

1525
01:35:45,279 --> 01:35:49,800
make contact with some of the serious podcasters. Brandon being

1526
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:53,239
one of them, will tell you Richie Banthrew, Richie Wojo,

1527
01:35:54,079 --> 01:35:59,119
they have an amazing thing going on there. They listen,

1528
01:35:59,279 --> 01:36:03,239
they utilize, they have amazing results going on there. The

1529
01:36:03,319 --> 01:36:08,640
statures they had Shelley and Steven, they have them living

1530
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:15,279
on the property bonafide. Okay, but those are little baby

1531
01:36:15,279 --> 01:36:17,560
steps you need to go through. And the first baby

1532
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:23,279
step is to become at peace with everything and get

1533
01:36:23,319 --> 01:36:24,319
yourself spiritual.

1534
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 3: You're gonna need it. If one steps out in front

1535
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:28,079
of you.

1536
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,079
Speaker 1: Well, Ernie, it has been a pleasure talking to you.

1537
01:36:34,279 --> 01:36:37,199
Speaker 2: Yes, I would love to hear your story someday, Brandon.

1538
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 1: I've been on a few shows. I can send you

1539
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:40,800
a link to one of them.

1540
01:36:41,279 --> 01:36:44,520
Speaker 2: Please do that. I would really love to hear it.

1541
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:49,720
I've heard a lot of the podcasters' stories, a lot

1542
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:54,439
of them that are bonafide, you know, absolutely, and I

1543
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,880
think yours is also. I would just love so much

1544
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:01,319
love to hear yours because I realize that that's probably

1545
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:05,760
was your catapult into this. You're you were seeking yet

1546
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:09,159
you were seeking out. Also, as I was back in

1547
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:12,800
the day, there was hardly any podcasters. Heck, there wasn't

1548
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:16,119
even people say well, why didn't you take your phone out?

1549
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:17,520
First of all, I didn't have time to do that.

1550
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:18,960
I had other things that on my mind that I

1551
01:37:19,039 --> 01:37:21,640
was doing. Secondly, if I took the phone out, you're

1552
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,359
talking nineteen eighty seven or so.

1553
01:37:24,039 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 3: There were no cameras on any phones right back there.

1554
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:31,119
Speaker 2: Okay, so a lot of good doubt would have gonna

1555
01:37:31,279 --> 01:37:33,800
was gonna do was gonna do me, you know, and

1556
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,479
nobody's going to be you know, hey, let me pop

1557
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:39,199
it out. And if you do pop it out, don't

1558
01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:43,399
be drawing red circles around it and submitting blurry pictures, okay,

1559
01:37:43,399 --> 01:37:45,640
because you're not gonna You're not going to make it.

1560
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,720
To start them, you know, it's difficult to get into it.

1561
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:52,199
They want the hype at the conferences and this and that.

1562
01:37:52,399 --> 01:37:55,560
I will be at the one in Ohio watch some

1563
01:37:55,720 --> 01:38:00,760
of them with Leona and Jim Horners. The owner is

1564
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:04,520
putting it on and watch it. It'll be it'll be

1565
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:06,600
posted up in a bunch of the forums and stuff,

1566
01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:10,760
and you can catch me up there in person. I

1567
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:15,000
won't be selling anything, Okay, maybe maybe the Brooklyn Bridge.

1568
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:16,680
Maybe I'll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.

1569
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:21,159
Speaker 1: How far are you from Red River Gorge?

1570
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,279
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm right down to your coming gap. I'm just

1571
01:38:24,319 --> 01:38:28,000
on the outskirts of Daniel Boone straight for us. That's

1572
01:38:28,119 --> 01:38:31,920
really something. And Cumberland Gap is the falls down there

1573
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:35,760
is the only place in the world where you can

1574
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:40,640
see a moon rainbow MHM looked at up in the

1575
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:44,199
and the Mammoth Cave is the largest cave system in

1576
01:38:44,239 --> 01:38:48,880
the world down there in the world. I won't go

1577
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:53,119
in the cave. It's not happening, So I'm not a

1578
01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:56,720
cave person. I'm not going anywhere it's I don't like

1579
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,119
deep water. I don't like water, and I don't like caves.

1580
01:39:00,279 --> 01:39:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't like the ocean, and I don't like kate.

1581
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:08,439
I don't like anything, whether it's creepy Crawley's I'm not

1582
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:10,359
a big fan of that stuff.

1583
01:39:10,119 --> 01:39:13,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, but sometimes you just have to you take

1584
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:14,920
it for what it is. But if you're in that

1585
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:18,800
spiritual moment, you don't have to worry about it. You

1586
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,359
really don't really have to worry about it. If it's

1587
01:39:21,399 --> 01:39:25,800
your time, it's your time. If it's not, well, then

1588
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:29,479
it's just not you know, we understand that when we

1589
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:31,800
get when we get older. But I'm sure you know

1590
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:35,359
a lot of the podcasters, Brandon, so don't be afraid

1591
01:39:35,399 --> 01:39:37,039
to mention my name to them and just say, I

1592
01:39:37,039 --> 01:39:39,319
guess who I just got to talk to. You have

1593
01:39:39,359 --> 01:39:41,680
a good conversation with him. You all guys can get

1594
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:44,199
together and maybe someday if you get to go to

1595
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:46,159
a conference, you can say you'd better be having that

1596
01:39:46,279 --> 01:39:48,960
Ernie Davio dude here, because I heard it that dude

1597
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:56,800
loves hamburgers. You can you can keep anything else, you

1598
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,239
know what I mean. It doesn't I can make it

1599
01:39:59,239 --> 01:40:02,039
with a hot dog. I'm just happy to eat something like.

1600
01:40:02,039 --> 01:40:04,079
Speaker 3: That comfort food. Okay.

1601
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:05,680
Speaker 2: I would love to sit down with all of you

1602
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:09,239
like Miguel Ramirez. Okay, I don't know if you know

1603
01:40:09,319 --> 01:40:10,239
him or.

1604
01:40:10,279 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 3: A whole bunch of I mean a whole.

1605
01:40:12,079 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 2: Bunch of you and Todd Gatewood. You need to look

1606
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,520
that up because that's where I think these other people

1607
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:19,359
got a little bit of their information from.

1608
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with them. I'll have to look into it.

1609
01:40:23,319 --> 01:40:25,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be on there. When you add all of

1610
01:40:25,399 --> 01:40:27,479
this stuff. You'll hear me say it on there and

1611
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:30,119
you'll be able to write it down. And it's free

1612
01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:32,840
on kindle, but it's better to have it in your hand,

1613
01:40:33,239 --> 01:40:35,239
and then you can call Todd and you can say, Todd,

1614
01:40:35,239 --> 01:40:38,079
I'm sending you this book, or why don't you send

1615
01:40:38,079 --> 01:40:40,119
me a book Todd, and I'll push your book for you,

1616
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:44,119
but you have to sign that book for me, and

1617
01:40:44,159 --> 01:40:44,880
he will.

1618
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he will. Yep.

1619
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 1: Well, again, it's been a pleasure talking with you. For

1620
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,560
anyone interested, make sure to check out. I'll put your

1621
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,680
links in the show notes for you. But we're gonna

1622
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:59,359
wrap this one up, so thanks for listening, thanks for

1623
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:01,479
Ernie for being here, and we will check you on

1624
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:10,039
the next one. If you would like to be a

1625
01:41:10,079 --> 01:41:12,439
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1626
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:15,279
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1627
01:41:15,319 --> 01:41:17,840
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1628
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,039
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1629
01:41:20,039 --> 01:41:21,359
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1630
01:41:21,359 --> 01:41:24,079
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1632
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1633
01:41:30,359 --> 01:41:32,239
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1634
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:34,680
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1635
01:41:35,079 --> 01:41:37,319
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