Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. I am
Speaker 1: joined by Tim Duckworth. It's been a minute a month
Speaker 1: March second, our last show. Partly laziness, partly me being
Speaker 1: on my deathbed, partly work, partly just a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of excuses.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I think it's majority work. I think
Speaker 2: we can say that it's been pretty yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we should still hop on during work because
Speaker 1: this is the fun part of work, you know. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, the work is largely fun, I would say,
Speaker 1: but you know, this I think is certainly the most
Speaker 1: fun aspect of it all. But you know, we've been
Speaker 1: letting the fans down. I've seen some Twitter message places
Speaker 1: I'm hitting me uh on purpose? Yeah, I mean, what
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? We apologize, but we're gonna be
Speaker 1: We're gonna be coming in hot for the rest of
Speaker 1: I'll say what twenty twenty five, well guaranteed three months,
Speaker 1: because we're gonna go strong from now until like the
Speaker 1: end of the WSP. Of course, obviously WSP is going
Speaker 1: to be the biggest and the best, of course, I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to that. But we had a whole lot
Speaker 1: of stuff to catch up on, you know, because last
Speaker 1: last time that we talked on the podcast, I should say,
Speaker 1: we talked about how the PGT Mixed Game series was
Speaker 1: doing great. It was a couple of events into that series.
Speaker 1: That series then wrapped up. We had Super High Rollable
Speaker 1: Mixed Games wrapped up, We had the PGT PLO series
Speaker 1: wrapped up, and then just recently the twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: or twenty twenty two, Wow, I'm taking it real far back,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five US Poker Open was completely so quick
Speaker 1: rundown of what we're going to hit on. Shannon Shore
Speaker 1: winner of the US Poker Open, Jesse Lonis, winner of
Speaker 1: the PGTPLO series, chatt Ea Sledge winner Super High Roller
Speaker 1: Bowl Mixed Games, and Chino Reem won the PGT Mixed
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Speaker 1: All right, first up, we're gonna go in order of recency,
Speaker 1: so we'll hit on Shannon Shore winning the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five US Poke Robin. And it was one hell of
Speaker 1: a dramatic finish because this guy needed to win the
Speaker 1: final event, the twenty five K Championship event, and he
Speaker 1: did it to overtake Matthew Woman. Now at the end,
Speaker 1: it was sure versus Nacho Barbero, and once it got
Speaker 1: down to those two, Matthew Woman was out. Correct, correct, Well, listen,
Speaker 1: I already ran through all the tibriggers and.
Speaker 3: He was out, Yes, but he could still get a
Speaker 3: little bit of a little bit of a rebate.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, Oh, the tiebreakers determined the champion,
Speaker 1: but you got the money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we split the money, so he could have split
Speaker 3: the money with Nacho if Nacho had emerged.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I see what you did there. Well it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because Nacho blew it in the end. Did
Speaker 1: you see the final hand? By the way, I.
Speaker 3: Saw the clip on social I was in the room
Speaker 3: when it happened, and we were locking in for a
Speaker 3: long heads up battle, me and now photographer Antonio, and
Speaker 3: you know, all of a sudden it was over.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what Nacha was doing, to
Speaker 1: be honest, just yeah, you know, I think I think
Speaker 1: somebody at some point asked Nacho. I can't remember if
Speaker 1: it was on stream or if I was in the
Speaker 1: room and I heard it, or maybe it was on
Speaker 1: day one during the commentary that I was doing. I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly, but somebody asked him like if he's
Speaker 1: a like a field player or like a theory player,
Speaker 1: gto player, And I can't remember what he said, but
Speaker 1: I immediately thought, he's obviously a field player, yes, like
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Come on, I same as football people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I don't think he had any time extensions
Speaker 1: on that final h okay, I mean he called it
Speaker 1: off with Ace High and a two pair for Shannon Shore.
Speaker 1: It did seem like one of those like I'm going
Speaker 1: to try and make a sick call, read the guy's
Speaker 1: soul type of stuff, but without any time extensions. I mean,
Speaker 1: somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't
Speaker 1: think he had any. And he didn't think that long.
Speaker 1: He thought maybe twenty seconds or so and then called
Speaker 1: it off. I mean didn't really feel like there was
Speaker 1: a lot of bluffs there. It was a pretty dry
Speaker 1: board overall. So yeah, anyway, it doesn't matter. Let's get
Speaker 1: back to the real story here, which is Shannon Show winning.
Speaker 1: Shannon Shore won it. He played tremendous. I thought was
Speaker 1: extremely locked in from late on day one of the
Speaker 1: tournament and then all throughout the final table. Obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: playing with Nacho Barbero heads up, he was the beneficiary
Speaker 1: of Nacho calling with Ace High on the final hand.
Speaker 1: And yes, but you know, I thought Shore was very
Speaker 1: much in control throughout the entire I'll say last forty
Speaker 1: percent of the tournament. You know, even if he wasn't
Speaker 1: the chip leader, let's say, you know, he was doing
Speaker 1: extremely well. I think it was sure that also busted
Speaker 1: Jeremy Becker on day one, which gave him a nice
Speaker 1: boost when he had aces and a great spot for
Speaker 1: a squeeze. Becker had flattered in position against somebody else's
Speaker 1: rais with ace queen suited. Becker then back jammed. Obviously
Speaker 1: the aces make the call, and you know that was that.
Speaker 1: But Shore finishes the series with two cashes. He won
Speaker 1: both times that he cashed, he won a veent number
Speaker 1: five a ten K event. Seventy six entries in that one,
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty K is what Shore won. And
Speaker 1: then he won the twenty five K championship event for
Speaker 1: five hundred and twenty nine thousand dollars. And in that
Speaker 1: championship event there were seventy three entries just quickly. Why
Speaker 1: did that one ten kit have such a small field?
Speaker 3: Well, there was a little bit of an overlay of
Speaker 3: the win that may have led to that. I think also,
Speaker 3: you know, people get a little burned out, take a
Speaker 3: Saturday off watch some I know baseball, some playing base
Speaker 3: It was also a big UFC caught on, so I
Speaker 3: knew we lost. At least one player had told us
Speaker 3: he's not coming on this Saturday. So I think there's
Speaker 3: just a lot of little things. I think it's just
Speaker 3: more five days in a row, take a day off,
Speaker 3: get also Sunday off, and I think it you know,
Speaker 3: apart from those numbers, he saw the Monday rebound with
Speaker 3: that record breaking field size, so I think the day
Speaker 3: off's still are positive for what we're doing right now.
Speaker 1: So Shannon Shore wins that final event to win the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five US Poke Ropean title. He also moves
Speaker 1: up to ninth on the season long PGT Lead Award.
Speaker 1: This season on the PGT, he has five cashes, two wins,
Speaker 1: and he's won nine hundred and thirty seven thousand, five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars seven hundred and forty points is what he has.
Speaker 1: He's really having an outstanding year. I know our season
Speaker 1: is a little bit weird, I guess because we start
Speaker 1: a little bit later with the January stuff still wrapping
Speaker 1: up from the previous season. But it sure's best year ever.
Speaker 1: If you want to look at Hendimov, his best year
Speaker 1: was way back in two thousand and six. Is actually
Speaker 1: that was his first year with a recorded cash on Hendon.
Speaker 1: He won one point six two to two million dollars
Speaker 1: this year already he's won one point nine two seven million,
Speaker 1: so very much on his way to having an incredible
Speaker 1: career year. He has four PGT wins this year now
Speaker 1: to this season, as I mentioned, and the other two
Speaker 1: came during the Last Chance Series. He won two events
Speaker 1: during that Last Chance Series. In twenty twenty five, Suore
Speaker 1: has five total wins. In addition to those four PGT wins,
Speaker 1: he won the WSP Circuit main event at Horseshoe Las
Speaker 1: Vegas in March for two hundred and seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: And then another note is that he has seven six
Speaker 1: figure scores in twenty twenty five. So Shannon Shore is
Speaker 1: absolutely positively on freaking fire. And I just want to
Speaker 1: say that if you haven't read it yet, there's a
Speaker 1: great feature piece on Shannon that's done by Lance Bradley
Speaker 1: that came out not too long ago. It's on Lance's substack.
Speaker 1: It's called The Overlay. Theoverlay dot substack dot com, I
Speaker 1: believe is the URL. It's not just about poker. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously Shannon's a poker player, so that's the backdrop of everything,
Speaker 1: but it really is about Shannon's personal growth. You know,
Speaker 1: giving up alcohol, which he has done for the large majority.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's one hundred percent cut it out.
Speaker 1: Like for example, last night he was at Stony's after
Speaker 1: they won. That was all over my Instagram feed.
Speaker 2: Shadow was invited to that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, I'm sure anyone can shown.
Speaker 2: Up turned it down. I was not.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was I mean I used to
Speaker 1: go to stonies all the time, like back in the day.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was still a thing.
Speaker 3: But I guess it is different than when I remember,
Speaker 3: which is a different location.
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that if.
Speaker 1: You went to the one that was in kind of
Speaker 1: that strip mall, like across from the apartment complex the Manhattan,
Speaker 1: it's no longer there. Actually it's actually in town Square.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: But the the the overlay feature that Lance Bradley did
Speaker 1: with Shannon Yeat, it's not just about Poe Gray really
Speaker 1: is about his personal growth over the last I'll say
Speaker 1: a year or so, giving up alcohol, being more present
Speaker 1: with his family. He's you know, really kind of gotten
Speaker 1: back into like health and mental well being and all
Speaker 1: of that. Talks about how everything that he's been doing
Speaker 1: has really helped him play the best poker of his life.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty inspiring read, and you know, it can
Speaker 1: only it only like Bode's weight to like how well
Speaker 1: he's performed this year. You know, I read that when
Speaker 1: that came out from Lance, and I was like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Shannon's in a great headspace right now, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden boom, It's like it's all
Speaker 1: kind of makes sense. So of course, you know, I
Speaker 1: know people can sit out there and say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: it's just variance. You know, Shan's been doing this forever.
Speaker 1: Eventually it's going to click, yes, oh yeah, sure, but
Speaker 1: you know it is kind of just weirdly coincident all
Speaker 1: that as he's been working on himself from a health aspect,
Speaker 1: from a mental aspect, all that sort of stuff, and
Speaker 1: now this is all coming together on the poker felt.
Speaker 1: You know that says something to me. So if you
Speaker 1: guys want to check that out, you can over att
Speaker 1: theoverlay dot substack dot com. Again, that was by Lance
Speaker 1: Bradley who wrote that piece. All right, so Shannon Chars
Speaker 1: the winner. I'm going to get into a bunch of
Speaker 1: questions with you, mister Commish about the USPO. First, up.
Speaker 1: You know, his title came right down to the wire
Speaker 1: final tournament, final heads upmatch. You know how special was
Speaker 1: that to see it end in such a dramatic fashion.
Speaker 1: Before you answer, I will say that I always wanted
Speaker 1: to come down to the final tournament and I know
Speaker 1: you know that. So from your perspective, is that also
Speaker 1: the feeling?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I agree, it's always you know, you don't want
Speaker 3: it over before the finale starts, so having it come
Speaker 3: down to that last event is always great. You know,
Speaker 3: normally it does involve someone winning to knock the knock,
Speaker 3: you know, the current leader off, so a lot of
Speaker 3: pressure on those guys. You know, personally would have probably
Speaker 3: preferred a few more sweats once they hit the money
Speaker 3: instead of just Shannon and Nacho. But you know, well
Speaker 3: there were a couple I think.
Speaker 1: They've they bombed out before the final table.
Speaker 2: They bummed, so it would fir.
Speaker 1: Sorry there was there was Eric Blair was the other one,
Speaker 1: and the right before the money was Brandon Wilson.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I would love one day for us to get
Speaker 3: a sweat where everyone at the final table could possibly
Speaker 3: win with certain scenarios, just make a make you know,
Speaker 3: double down on the ICM implications with some you know,
Speaker 3: massive Golden Eagle implications. But yeah, it is always good
Speaker 3: to at least have a sweat to the very end
Speaker 3: and get that dramatic finish between the two.
Speaker 1: And let's not overlook how good Matthew Wantman's series was.
Speaker 1: He had one win, three cashes. I think he had
Speaker 1: a first and a second, was.
Speaker 2: It, yes, first on the runner up finish, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he cashed for five hundred and twenty eight
Speaker 1: thousand dollars total, So very good showing for Matthew Wantman.
Speaker 1: He was hoping to claim his second series title. He
Speaker 1: previously won a PGTPLO series, so he would have been
Speaker 1: a two time series winner on the PGT had he
Speaker 1: done that. But of course, as we've been talking about,
Speaker 1: Shannon Shore was able to overtake him. Shore has been
Speaker 1: one of the most consistent performers for what seems like forever,
Speaker 1: you know, like nearly two decades. I remember I mentioned
Speaker 1: that two thousand and six was his first year that
Speaker 1: I saw in Hendon that he has a recorded cash.
Speaker 1: This is his first major PGT series win. You know,
Speaker 1: what does it mean to you? Now? The USBO group
Speaker 1: and has some really good names attached to it. Stephen
Speaker 1: Chidwick is a winner, David Peters won it twice, Sean Winter,
Speaker 1: Martin Zemani or Rob Zobian, Like, what does that say
Speaker 1: to you as the commission.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think with the PGT, we've always been known
Speaker 3: as being this high role of circuit with the biggest
Speaker 3: and best names in poker, right the Stephen Chidwicks, the Nogrando's,
Speaker 3: Nick Shulman, all these guys that play uber high steaks,
Speaker 3: and I think from the tourist perspective, we want to
Speaker 3: be more well rounded and we've done quite a great
Speaker 3: job of doing that. See players that you know, aren't
Speaker 3: these uber high stakes guys win series titles, you know,
Speaker 3: may start attracting more people to come play our events.
Speaker 3: It's not just dominated, you know, by the by the Foxes,
Speaker 3: It's not dominated by Nogrando. We can see these players that,
Speaker 3: you know, if we talk about average bayings aren't as
Speaker 3: high as as those guys you mentioned, or previous USPR
Speaker 3: champions Chidwick and Peters and Sean Winter. So from the
Speaker 3: tours perspective, it's good to see some of these new
Speaker 3: faces in a way win series championships, win just PGG
Speaker 3: titles in general.
Speaker 1: Yeah, along those lines, I would probably throw Michael Rosido
Speaker 1: in there. He won an event during the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five US Poker Open. I know Frances Anderson didn't win,
Speaker 1: but he took third place in the first event. He
Speaker 1: was out there competing, so it's good to see him.
Speaker 1: We saw Nick Seward make some runs, so he's he's
Speaker 1: out there battling. Neil Warren is like the new new
Speaker 1: guy on the block.
Speaker 2: Saw him bucks today.
Speaker 1: Actually, oh yeah, he's definitely really like he really wants
Speaker 1: a title, like he wants to get not not like
Speaker 1: a series title first, I mean, he wants to get
Speaker 1: a trophy first. And then so he's out there gunning.
Speaker 1: You know, Andrew Mourno's out there gunning. So it is
Speaker 1: cool to see Matthew Watman is like he's now arrived, yes,
Speaker 1: but he was. He was one of those guys before.
Speaker 1: You know Shannon Shore as well, not that Shannon Show
Speaker 1: hasn't been around for a long time, but now Shannon
Speaker 1: Shore being the US pore Open champion and performing on
Speaker 1: this type of stage against this type of competition, you know,
Speaker 1: he's very much in that group. So I echo what
Speaker 1: you're saying, it's really kind of cool to see all
Speaker 1: these these players doing so well. So do you think
Speaker 1: I mentioned he has seven hundred and forty points on
Speaker 1: the season, ninth on the PGT leader board. Let's do
Speaker 1: a little bit of projecting here. You know, how do
Speaker 1: you think the rest of his twenty twenty five PGT
Speaker 1: campaign is going to play out? Do you think he's
Speaker 1: a lock to make it into the top forty and
Speaker 1: then qualify for the million dollar Championship?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, let's I want to look at his
Speaker 3: kind of past history at the PGT. He's best he
Speaker 3: was twenty twenty two season where he had nine hundred
Speaker 3: and eleven points. So he's already trending to have his
Speaker 3: best year probably last ye seven ninety one. Obviously he
Speaker 3: won those last two. He won those two PGT Lost
Speaker 3: Chance events to get him in to the PGT Championship.
Speaker 3: So for this year he's got seven hundred and forty points.
Speaker 3: We know he's playing the WSP, we have pokem Masters,
Speaker 3: we have all these events here in Las Vegas where
Speaker 3: he doesn't really need to travel. I'm sure he can
Speaker 3: pick up another one hundred two hundred points with not
Speaker 3: too much trouble, and yeah, I would say that. You know,
Speaker 3: I think we discussed it a little bit on that
Speaker 3: day one bonus coverage commentary that you know, we always
Speaker 3: talk about a thousand points being a threshold players should target.
Speaker 3: I think this year is going to come down just
Speaker 3: a little bit. Maybe it's nine hundred, maybe it's even
Speaker 3: eight hundred, just with some of the rule changes we've made.
Speaker 3: So I think he's basically I don't want to say
Speaker 3: he's in, don't want to say he's locked in, don't
Speaker 3: want him to go on a holiday for eight months,
Speaker 3: but I think he's well.
Speaker 1: He once to show up to the WSP and I
Speaker 1: think he went like zero for fifty six or something.
Speaker 3: Well, let's not hope that happens. So yeah, I think
Speaker 3: he's probably pretty safe. It's more of a it's more
Speaker 3: going to be a where he finishes in that top forty,
Speaker 3: and hopefully it is he stays in the top ten.
Speaker 1: Looking at the PGT leader, where there's something I think
Speaker 1: you should add, you should add a points per cash
Speaker 1: is like, Okay, I guess he's got seven hundred and
Speaker 1: forty points. He's in ninth, but he only has five cases. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone kind of around him or above him
Speaker 1: has more cashes, you know, so they're they're doing it
Speaker 1: with a little bit more volume, where Sure has proven
Speaker 1: so far that it's like when he gets into the money,
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be a top refinish, maybe even
Speaker 1: a win, right, you know, I think that's just kind
Speaker 1: of cool to see. Whereas you have someone like, you know,
Speaker 1: let's look at Nick Shulman for example, not that Nick
Speaker 1: Shulman hasn't had plenty of deep runs, but he's still
Speaker 1: void of a win, yep. And he has you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's he has the most cashes. Yeah, he's tied
Speaker 1: for the most final tables, but he has fourteen cashes,
Speaker 1: So he's doing it a little bit more on volume,
Speaker 1: even though it is like, you know, they are deep
Speaker 1: runs and final tables and whatnot. I would say somebody
Speaker 1: who's for sure doing it on volume is John Reardan
Speaker 1: right now, twelve cashes, five hundred and thirty five points,
Speaker 1: only has one top three finish from those twelve cases,
Speaker 1: so he does have four final tables. Yes, does reard In,
Speaker 1: but it's more just like a volume play with John Reardan.
Speaker 1: So I agree with you on shore it's also something,
Speaker 1: you know, something where I think he's playing a little
Speaker 1: bit bigger now, you know, twenty five k's are something
Speaker 1: that I expect him in, whereas before it was like
Speaker 1: we could see Shannon, we could not see Shannon in
Speaker 1: the twenty five K. Kind of depends. Maybe it depends
Speaker 1: how his series was going. I remember there was a
Speaker 1: couple series, you know where he would show up for.
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we had five ks to start,
Speaker 1: but he would always be there for like the opening events,
Speaker 1: either the five ks or the ten k's and then
Speaker 1: kind of see how it goes and then go from there,
Speaker 1: right and then maybe he would play a fifteen K
Speaker 1: and if he didn't do anything, he was kind of
Speaker 1: done for the series, which you see a lot from
Speaker 1: the guys on the tour, you know, they kind of
Speaker 1: phase out as they go. But now I expect Shore
Speaker 1: to be there, Like he'll be there for the five K,
Speaker 1: he'll be there for the twenty five K. You know
Speaker 1: at the WSP. With the year that he's having, could
Speaker 1: maybe see him dip his toes in the fifty K
Speaker 1: or whatever. I think I think he'll get in eventually.
Speaker 1: He got in last year, but it was via the
Speaker 1: Last chance, so this year I think he gets in
Speaker 1: just the direct entry. How'd you feel about the USPO overall.
Speaker 3: I mean it was I think it was good. We've
Speaker 3: touched on it. I knew the numbers were going to
Speaker 3: be down. They were down across the board on average
Speaker 3: compared to what last year, down compared to Poker Cup
Speaker 3: always going off the last series.
Speaker 2: We had about thirty five.
Speaker 1: Its last year.
Speaker 3: It was up from last year. But I'm looking at
Speaker 3: just the last series.
Speaker 1: And I would say, like you would want to go like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's look at Poker Girl Cup year over year. Let's
Speaker 1: look at USPO year over year. Let's look at you know,
Speaker 1: Poker Masters when that happened years at.
Speaker 3: Both Yeah, sure, yeah, you know we had those two events,
Speaker 3: the Event six fifteen k that broke a record. We
Speaker 3: had the Event eight finale also broke a record. So
Speaker 3: that's that's great to see. Uh So, Yeah, surprised, more
Speaker 3: surprise than I thought I was going to be with
Speaker 3: the numbers, and that just shows that, you know, PGT
Speaker 3: is still healthy.
Speaker 2: We obviously are.
Speaker 3: You know, we had we were up against seminole. We're also
Speaker 3: up against a little bit of interesting political, foreign affairs
Speaker 3: time with the market traveling implications, so you know, with
Speaker 3: those two factors, yeah, very very good result. I think overall,
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: Shocked to see seventy three entries in the twenty five K.
Speaker 1: I was like, what in the f and world? Because
Speaker 1: last year wasn't it fifties fifty.
Speaker 3: Two or Yeah, it was very low last year.
Speaker 1: I mean, seventy three entries in a twenty five K
Speaker 1: in the studio is amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a now yeah before that, we had
Speaker 3: a sixty nine at the twenty twenty one USPO, sixty
Speaker 3: nine at the twenty twenty two pokem Masters, and then
Speaker 3: sixty eight at last year's Poke Masters. So it's just
Speaker 3: kind of blew through, blew through every everyone and everything.
Speaker 3: And we had some people gip it that we hear
Speaker 3: the whole series, So could have been seventy four, seventy five,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe we could have flooded with eighty.
Speaker 1: You never know, you got any lessons or takeaways from
Speaker 1: this year's USPO that you would apply to next year,
Speaker 1: and maybe let me let me lead you a little
Speaker 1: bit here and say that do you envision this stain
Speaker 1: as just straight no limit hold them or maybe even
Speaker 1: it's always no limit hold them. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: it used to have like maybe one or two other things,
Speaker 1: but would you ever do a PKO or a mystery
Speaker 1: bounty or anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's been brought up several times, adding
Speaker 3: a bounty, adding freeze outs, and we even had people
Speaker 3: on our team, hey, why don't these are.
Speaker 1: So out really?
Speaker 3: Yeah, We've had people on our team say, you know
Speaker 3: the poke a Cup, USPO pokemons are all the same. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: they're all the same for a reason. You know, we
Speaker 3: want the note we you know, and we think this
Speaker 3: is the formula that works. The numbers over the last
Speaker 3: two years have shown that what we're doing works eight events,
Speaker 3: you know, a lot more smaller stuff we're build into
Speaker 3: a bigger one.
Speaker 2: It's working.
Speaker 3: Now. We want some bounties. Sure, that's why we're going
Speaker 3: to try and do a bountie series this year. We're
Speaker 3: doing other things and doing a lot more different series.
Speaker 3: You know, I was looking at the data the other
Speaker 3: day and I went back the year before the PGT started.
Speaker 3: We only had three tournament series. So now we're going
Speaker 3: to these three same majors, plus we're adding two PLO
Speaker 3: series a mix game series, a kickoff a bountie series.
Speaker 3: Alas like, we're adding more and more stuff so we
Speaker 3: can start getting a little funky within its own series.
Speaker 3: I don't really like messing with these majors. I like
Speaker 3: the purity that they are. The numbers show that what
Speaker 3: we are doing working, so we don't even really mess
Speaker 3: with you know what works?
Speaker 1: All right, Let's move over to the PGTPLO series, which
Speaker 1: Jesse Lonus won. It also at the death and this
Speaker 1: one was I don't know if I would say it
Speaker 1: was even more interesting, but it was interesting in its
Speaker 1: own unique way because during the PGTPLO series, unlike what
Speaker 1: we just saw at the USPO, the final day of
Speaker 1: the PGTPLO series also had not only did it have
Speaker 1: that twenty five K championship event, but it also had
Speaker 1: the single day five K bounty tournament playing out, which counts.
Speaker 1: So you had Jesse Lows at the final table of
Speaker 1: the twenty five K and you mentioned, how, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about the USPO, how you want like a time
Speaker 1: when all the people at the final table like are
Speaker 1: in contention. There's all this weird icm stuff. Jesse Lowis
Speaker 1: was for sure aware of where he needed to finish
Speaker 1: and was playing totally opposite to Jesse Loanz at this
Speaker 1: twenty five K PLO final table. He knew he had
Speaker 1: the ladder up and he was very very tight and
Speaker 1: very conservative for what we normally see from Jesse Lownes.
Speaker 1: And he talked about it a bit on stream. I mean,
Speaker 1: he knew what was going down, and then while that
Speaker 1: was happening, he also knew that he he had to
Speaker 1: sweat Alex Foxen in the five K. Loan has ended
Speaker 1: up taking a believe it was third in that that
Speaker 1: uh that twenty five K, which which allowed him to
Speaker 1: overtake fox In at least temporarily, but it left the
Speaker 1: door open for fox In if he were to win
Speaker 1: the five K single day Bounty tournament. And it was
Speaker 1: a max sweat because Foxing got heads up, yep. I mean,
Speaker 1: what in the freaking world was that?
Speaker 2: It was perfect? It was a very tail ending really
Speaker 2: for the PLO series.
Speaker 3: And you know, Jesse bus said he came out to
Speaker 3: the bounty I think they were down to the final table,
Speaker 3: but maybe they were like playing like four and four
Speaker 3: and he was just standing there and just kind of
Speaker 3: sweating Alex for a little bit put a bounty on
Speaker 3: his head kind of us pleaded with everyone to bust
Speaker 3: him real quickly. So the fact that he was the
Speaker 3: shortest stack in the money and got all the way
Speaker 3: to heads up play just to put the sweat on
Speaker 3: was it was kind of an amazing result.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not only were they battling for the series title,
Speaker 1: but the series title was extra spicy in this one
Speaker 1: because this was one of those ones when there was
Speaker 1: that big fifty thousand dollars side bet have to win
Speaker 1: the leader board. This time it was the biggest one
Speaker 1: that they've ever had. Eleven people were in it. Lonus
Speaker 1: was in it, and fox and was in it. So
Speaker 1: whoever won that was gonna pocket in an additional five
Speaker 1: hundred k on the side from this side bet. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just insane.
Speaker 3: Must have made a deal.
Speaker 1: No, I'm pretty sure they didn't make a deal. And
Speaker 1: I think that in one of the other tournaments, I
Speaker 1: can't remember, but there was I want to say it
Speaker 1: involved Bryce Yockey. I think he might have been in
Speaker 1: the bed as well, but he was. It got down
Speaker 1: to heads up and like the other guy asked like,
Speaker 1: you can't make a deal, right, And I think Bryce said,
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly or if I understood him correctly,
Speaker 1: saying like no, like we can't, like part of the
Speaker 1: rules is like we can't like finagle the the points
Speaker 1: or of money or anything like, we have to just
Speaker 1: play it straight. I mean, so that's that's just insane.
Speaker 1: So so Loanus ended up finishing as the winner of
Speaker 1: the series. He had five cashes. It's actually funny, both
Speaker 1: Foxin and Lonus had five cashes. Both locks, Lonus and
Speaker 1: Foxen had four final tables, both of them had four
Speaker 1: top three finishes, and both of them won a tournament
Speaker 1: all at the PGTPLO series. But Jesse was a little
Speaker 1: bit better six hundred and sixty two points to Foxton's
Speaker 1: six thirty three. Lonus to cash for just shy of
Speaker 1: eight hundred K during the series, and then of course
Speaker 1: he won, he won what seems incredibly small, but you know,
Speaker 1: nonetheless the ten k PGT and then and then he
Speaker 1: looks five K side bet as well. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: just absolutely wild stuff at the PGTPLO series. One of
Speaker 1: the things that was a bit different about the PGTPLO
Speaker 1: series is it had eleven events. You know, the majors,
Speaker 1: the you know the Cup Uspo Masters, those are eight events,
Speaker 1: but this one was I mean, this one was long.
Speaker 1: I know you weren't here for all of it. You
Speaker 1: were dipped dipped out to Australia for a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I just remember being there, like in the middle
Speaker 1: of it, being like, this series is still going like
Speaker 1: these there was one guy. I gotta find this guy's name.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's Tomash Krazinski. And I kept saying,
Speaker 1: I know, like our photographer Antonio has no idea who
Speaker 1: Tomash Krasinski is either. I'd never seen him until this series.
Speaker 1: But I said to Antonio, I said, listen, see that
Speaker 1: guy right there. I have the most respect for that guy.
Speaker 1: This guy showed up every freaking day and got his
Speaker 1: teeth kicked in every day, just in the tournament. Rebot
Speaker 1: in the tournament in like just NonStop, finished with two cashes.
Speaker 1: He was there from the first event to the last event,
Speaker 1: multiple entries. I he probably fired thirty bolts in this
Speaker 1: damn thing. And I was like, this dude has the
Speaker 1: resiliency that that should should be, you know, applauded around
Speaker 1: the world. You should you should do like classes in
Speaker 1: colleges about this guy's ability to get knocked down and
Speaker 1: get back up. I was like, how do I don't
Speaker 1: know how this guy's doing I would be so far
Speaker 1: out the door, laying in the strip, hopefully somebody ran
Speaker 1: me over with a car. But this guy, no, just
Speaker 1: kept on going, kept on going. I have no idea
Speaker 1: how he did it.
Speaker 3: I'm actually looking at you know, everyone that played how
Speaker 3: many do you think played every event? First?
Speaker 1: First, how many do I think played every event?
Speaker 3: Yep, twelve people, that's good, guess thirteen okay, yeah, and
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the worst.
Speaker 1: I mean it had to be. It had to be
Speaker 1: basically the people in the bet plus maybe a couple more, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just trying to think who had the worst series.
Speaker 1: Thomas Krazinski had the worst series, for sure. The guy
Speaker 1: had two cashes. He was there every FN day, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, every day. It did not matter.
Speaker 3: There's one person that had a worse series.
Speaker 1: Kerry Katz, Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I mean
Speaker 1: Carrie was also there every day, yeah.
Speaker 3: Cash as well, but for a lot less money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean, yeah, he there was a lot
Speaker 1: of people that were there, a lot that that didn't
Speaker 1: really have good series. You know, Ronald Kaiser didn't really
Speaker 1: have a good series for Ronald Kaiser standards. He only
Speaker 1: had three cashes. Jeremy Osma's really didn't do anything. I know,
Speaker 1: I know Nick Shulman like had five cashes, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of really didn't do much, you know
Speaker 1: for Nick Shulman standards. Thought it would be a bit
Speaker 1: better there. Who else was there? Patrick Leonard, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought would have a little bit of a better series.
Speaker 1: He didn't really have that good of a series. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people that were just kind
Speaker 1: of you know, bricking left and right. But that's that's
Speaker 1: just how it is. But anyway, yeah, Jesse loanis crushed it,
Speaker 1: you know. And and what was I mean you were
Speaker 1: you had come back now from Australia for the last
Speaker 1: couple of events, so what was that like, I mean
Speaker 1: you talked about a little bit, but being in that
Speaker 1: room for the final, I wish we could have streamed it.
Speaker 1: I wish we could have just put the table up
Speaker 1: there because because the five K single day, which I
Speaker 1: think we all thought would have ended before the twenty
Speaker 1: five K final table, but the twenty five K finl
Speaker 1: table ended in like two and a half hours. It
Speaker 1: was very very quick, very quick. Yeah. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you mentioned already like Jesse went out there, he
Speaker 1: was sweating, like I mean, I'm sure that was just wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't stick around that long. He's like kind
Speaker 3: of kind of left, but I know that, you know,
Speaker 3: he couldn't handle the pain, couldn't handle it. The eventual
Speaker 3: winner of the tournament, Zachary Schwartz's plays basketball with Jesse,
Speaker 3: So I know for a fact and Zach once I
Speaker 3: hit the money, Zach had like sixty percent of the
Speaker 3: chips in play, so he was just like finish him
Speaker 3: off place like like just texting him.
Speaker 2: And you know, I al I saw if Alex play
Speaker 2: a few hands.
Speaker 3: And he looked you know, it's not like he's Alex
Speaker 3: is ever like smiling when he plays. He's pretty you know,
Speaker 3: got that very stoic and I guess a little bit
Speaker 3: you know, mean mugging look on his face when he plays.
Speaker 3: But you could just see a little bit more anguish
Speaker 3: in some spots when he folded, because he knew that
Speaker 3: there was so much more on the line. For first,
Speaker 3: he wasn't just really playing for you know, winning sixty
Speaker 3: K and some bounties. He's really playing for sixty k
Speaker 3: se bounties, ten K, a Gold Cup and half a
Speaker 3: million dollars. So I think for Alex it was a
Speaker 3: lot harder because Jesse's already out. He knew what he
Speaker 3: needed to do, he knew he had to win, and
Speaker 3: like he's so close. It's not like he was like
Speaker 3: playing in a field of one thousand and you know,
Speaker 3: he finished one hundred.
Speaker 2: He's literally got heads up.
Speaker 3: One just had to just be one more guy and
Speaker 3: he would have won all of this, all of this money.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so for him, I feel a lot of anguish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also you know, I guess I guess going
Speaker 1: back and bringing in the USPO for a second, Foxen
Speaker 1: was the leader right through, but didn't he lead the
Speaker 1: way through four events?
Speaker 2: Or was it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, that was sorry, that was at the PLO series.
Speaker 1: I'm getting this crossed up. But Foxton was in contention,
Speaker 1: I'll say in the USPO. Yeah, he was like after
Speaker 1: he like towards the end because he won event number
Speaker 1: seven and then he was you know, it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Foxen has a chance to possibly go on to catch
Speaker 1: Matthew Wantman, And what I'm getting at is. You know,
Speaker 1: Foxten is one of those guys obviously performs extremely well
Speaker 1: on the PGT over and over again. Like he's always
Speaker 1: you know, kind of towards the top of the leaderboard,
Speaker 1: minus last year when he kind of had a down year,
Speaker 1: but other than that, you know, he's always crushing but
Speaker 1: yet to win a series title. Yeah, you know, he's
Speaker 1: one of those guys him Nick Shulman, like it's gonna
Speaker 1: happen eventually. It just hasn't happened yet. But but I'm sure, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are human and they're ultra competitive,
Speaker 1: like I'm sure for Foxing, you know, at some point
Speaker 1: you're like, all I got to do is beat this
Speaker 1: guy heads up, and I win this, you know, and
Speaker 1: then like and then you're in and then you're in
Speaker 1: contention again once you win that event, you know, late
Speaker 1: in USPO and you're like, oh, I get a shot again,
Speaker 1: like is this going to be the time type of thing?
Speaker 3: So yeah, I looked at you know, that last day
Speaker 3: of the USPO, I looked at all our series and
Speaker 3: where the leaderboards finished, and I looked at fox and yeah,
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, he hasn't won one.
Speaker 2: But he's got a second, three thirds, a fourth, and
Speaker 2: two fifths on series leaderboards over the last five years.
Speaker 2: That's just kind of incredible that he's getting so close
Speaker 2: in all these majors and just you know, a couple
Speaker 2: points short, you know, maybe a couple of ladder up
Speaker 2: short here and there, so he'll come, He'll get one.
Speaker 2: He's he's always going to be in contention. He's always
Speaker 2: going to be a betting favorite to top the leaderboard.
Speaker 2: And you know, if he keeps making fifty k.
Speaker 3: Beds Lona's and Negrando and all these guys, he's always
Speaker 3: going to have a little extra carrot to chase.
Speaker 2: You know, at the end of that race.
Speaker 1: Well, why didn't we see a fifty k bed for USPO.
Speaker 3: Maybe?
Speaker 2: Look to be honest, I was.
Speaker 1: I was shocked because I was like, well, they're all
Speaker 1: going to want their money back, Like, well that is
Speaker 1: now what you do? Like who cares? I already lost
Speaker 1: fifty k, Like now I got to try and run
Speaker 1: it back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, maybe they was and there wasn't
Speaker 3: just as publicized as the PLO as the PLO one,
Speaker 3: But yeah, maybe they just didn't have enough people that
Speaker 3: were interested. Maybe it was only say Fox and Lonas
Speaker 3: and Negrando and they didn't think it was worth it
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: So and then I gave some some flowers to Lance
Speaker 1: Bradley for that piece on Shannon Shore. I got to
Speaker 1: give one to actually a good friend of Lance, Tim
Speaker 1: Furorvanti aka Tim Turn, who wrote about Jesse Lonis winning
Speaker 1: the five hunder k PLO side bet over on poker
Speaker 1: dot Org. So you guys can check that out. You
Speaker 1: can head over to poker dot or it's called they
Speaker 1: Want to Gamble. Jesse Want has won five hundred k
Speaker 1: PLO bet on himself. So that's a good story over
Speaker 1: there if you want to read a little bit more
Speaker 1: about that, and you know, hear from Jesse himself on
Speaker 1: winning that side bets numbers once again held super strong
Speaker 1: for the PGT PLO series is this and and listen,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a whole bunch of guys. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that probably would have accounted for I'll say anywhere from
Speaker 1: five to fifteen, maybe even twenty entries per event. I'm
Speaker 1: not joking because Tim knows. But every event is unlimited
Speaker 1: re entry until the final event. And like Elis Parson
Speaker 1: in you know, uh ye Joni Yokamin and like they're
Speaker 1: gonna blast, especially in the Bounty events, blast blast blast,
Speaker 1: like absolutely blast so but but numbers once again held
Speaker 1: st strong. So like, is are we ever going to
Speaker 1: see this popularity die down in PLO? Like what the
Speaker 1: heck is with it? Like every time we have one
Speaker 1: of these series, and we now do two of them
Speaker 1: a year, they just continue to crush.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, first we got to look at it,
Speaker 3: and from our perspective, the operator is just, you know,
Speaker 3: be careful. We don't want to make any mistakes and
Speaker 3: kind of run too many events because we see the
Speaker 3: World Series obviously they added one hundred K this year,
Speaker 3: Paradise added one hundred K, so there's a lot of
Speaker 3: high stakes PLO for these players to play. Tryin obviously
Speaker 3: does stuff, so we need to be careful not to
Speaker 3: kind of flood the market. But you know, PLO is popular.
Speaker 3: We did, you know, start talking about schedules a little
Speaker 3: bit when we were there.
Speaker 2: Players.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think our players, you know you talked about
Speaker 3: the finish guys. I think our players more interested in
Speaker 3: adding maybe another five K, killing one of the fifteen ks.
Speaker 3: Main reason is they can get some you know, a
Speaker 3: bigger field, more fresh faces in the studio, and I
Speaker 3: think that kind of helps the overall you know, Omaha ecosystem.
Speaker 3: That doesn't seem like it's going to die anytime soon,
Speaker 3: but we don't want to speed up that if that
Speaker 3: is around the corner. Now.
Speaker 1: I know you weren't there for the event, but the
Speaker 1: PLO series did feature the pgt's first ever Mystery Bounty Tournament.
Speaker 1: And I remember, like during it happening, walking by tournament
Speaker 1: director Paul Campbell from ARI and he said, these guys
Speaker 1: love it, they absolutely love it. We need to do
Speaker 1: more of these. And I was like, yeah, they're in.
Speaker 1: You know, how like, do you have any feedback on it?
Speaker 1: How do you think it went? You know, I think
Speaker 1: the turnout was pretty good for it, seventy eight entries.
Speaker 1: Now I know it's it's probably not as fun because
Speaker 1: two guys want all the bounties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't say how that could. That seems ragged.
Speaker 1: I mean it was wild how it happened too, because
Speaker 1: so in this tournament, twelve spots pay. But the way
Speaker 1: that you set it up is the bounties kick in
Speaker 1: before the payouts kick in. Yeah, it's kind of like
Speaker 1: this double bubble. So the bounties kicked in when there
Speaker 1: were fifteen players left three off the money, and once
Speaker 1: that happened, you know, they kind of do the whole Like, okay, guys,
Speaker 1: the bounties are now on play. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: there's a four way all in at the table involving
Speaker 1: Bryce Yocky. Bryce Yockey already has a bazillion chips. He
Speaker 1: ends up busting three players on one hand. One hand,
Speaker 1: they are in the money. One hand, Bryce Yackey gets
Speaker 1: three bounties. Okay, now in a mystery bounty, you don't
Speaker 1: have to go pull your bounties right away. You can
Speaker 1: do it whenever you want. He didn't pull right away.
Speaker 1: On another table, Tyler Brown gets in this enormous pot
Speaker 1: where that he gets all the money in. He ends
Speaker 1: up busting someone and they he I'm like standing kind
Speaker 1: of behind him, and he like looks over and he's
Speaker 1: kind of like he's in the middle of the room
Speaker 1: and like Bryce's table is on the kind of in
Speaker 1: the corner by the cage. It's about i'll say, twenty
Speaker 1: five feet thirty feet away from him. He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: did Bryce draw yet? And you know, everyone's like no,
Speaker 1: so he's getting dealt in. He gets his next hand,
Speaker 1: I think he just folds it. He immediately goes over
Speaker 1: to the to the drunk. He's like, I'm gonna pull
Speaker 1: boom one hundred and twenty five k, biggest bounty. And
Speaker 1: Bryce is like, what the.
Speaker 2: F I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could have went and.
Speaker 1: Pulled your bounties, Bryce, but you didn't. So it was
Speaker 1: just it was funny. And then Tyler Brown pulls his
Speaker 1: second bounty fifty k straightway well like like shortly thereafter,
Speaker 1: but he did it before Bryce pulled again. So and
Speaker 1: then he's and there was I think there was two
Speaker 1: fifty k's right, So he pulls with the biggest, the
Speaker 1: second biggest one. Then he pulls a third bounty. He
Speaker 1: pulls twenty five K, which was the third biggest amount.
Speaker 1: So boom boom boom won two three, you know, in
Speaker 1: descending order, the three biggest amounts available. Just absolutely wild stuff.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun, It was electric, and
Speaker 1: it it also led to this super super weird dynamic
Speaker 1: because these guys were going nuts with the bounties. We
Speaker 1: get down to like six handed or five handed they're
Speaker 1: like average stack, one hundred big blind's deep, yeah, which
Speaker 1: you never see. And I'm like, and Maury the President
Speaker 1: happened to be there, and I was like, I go
Speaker 1: find Marey. I'm like, Maury, we got to figure out
Speaker 1: what to do because like, we can't have these guys
Speaker 1: come back the next day with you know, five players
Speaker 1: left being a hundred big blinds deep. That's just gonna
Speaker 1: be It's gonna be a twenty hour final table. That's
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to play him down. But you know, from
Speaker 1: an entertainment side, Daniel Legrandu is in, so like we
Speaker 1: don't want to risk him busting as well. So it's
Speaker 1: like this weird, this weird thing.
Speaker 2: Do you think they.
Speaker 3: Could have finished I'm just trying to think ahead the
Speaker 3: next time, but could they have finished out of ending
Speaker 3: one day? So, like, would it have finished at say
Speaker 3: four am?
Speaker 1: Do you think it probably would have finished in one day? Okay,
Speaker 1: not super late. I mean listen the triple elimination after everything, yeh,
Speaker 1: you know, like that was just that was ridiculous. All
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I know that there's bounties in play, yes,
Speaker 1: but like, I mean, some of these bounties were five K,
Speaker 1: ten K. It's not like they were all one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five and fifty. Like they were going nuts
Speaker 1: for these bounties, and I wanted some five in this,
Speaker 1: so I know, but it was like, did it really
Speaker 1: make sense to go as crazy as they were going
Speaker 1: for the bounties? Is kind of what I'm getting at. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: Then there's this weird dynamic where like they're I got
Speaker 1: to see if I remember this correctly. But they get down,
Speaker 1: they get down to four handed, and Daniel looks at me,
Speaker 1: and Daniel's like, we got to keep playing, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes no sense. They're like like ninety big blinds deep.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the most absurd thing. But then
Speaker 1: Taylor Wilson is like, I don't really want to keep playing.
Speaker 1: And then Daniel's like, well, we got to keep playing.
Speaker 1: Why don't we play till like the end of like
Speaker 1: we'll play through this level and play the next level
Speaker 1: or something like that, which would have been like I
Speaker 1: don't know, forty minutes or an hour or something like that.
Speaker 1: So that so Taylor Wilson's like, yeah, but then Taylor
Speaker 1: Wilson was like, I have its flight tomorrow, and so
Speaker 1: then Daniel's like, well, then you make no sense. Why
Speaker 1: don't you want to play as far down as possible today?
Speaker 1: Like why do you want to stop and come back
Speaker 1: tomorrow if you have a flight and then your flight?
Speaker 1: Like this doesn't make any sense. Dan, It's like you're
Speaker 1: making no sense, buddy, Like what's what's going on here?
Speaker 1: They end up they end up finishing. It ends up
Speaker 1: being Taylor Wilson ends up busting out and they're still
Speaker 1: super deep, Bryce Jockey, Tyler Brown and Daniel and ground
Speaker 1: here they stop three handed and they come back the
Speaker 1: next day so we can stream it. But it was
Speaker 1: it was just such a wild end to the night,
Speaker 1: Like you just never see people be that deep. And
Speaker 1: this was like this is like nine to nine pm.
Speaker 1: This wasn't like you know, one in the morning. This
Speaker 1: is like super early.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And like, of course, you know all the guys because
Speaker 1: some of them are in the bet, like you know,
Speaker 1: for the fifty k side bets, so they want to
Speaker 1: play all the tournaments. They obviously want to play all
Speaker 1: the tournaments anyway, but when you have the fifty k
Speaker 1: side bet, you definitely want to play all the tournaments,
Speaker 1: so like they don't want to come back the next
Speaker 1: day a hunter, big Blind's deep and risk not being
Speaker 1: able to get into that fifteen K. So it was
Speaker 1: just it was a whole thing, but it was It
Speaker 1: was absolutely wild. But have the what have the players
Speaker 1: said about the Mystery Bountie anything? Loved it, hated it?
Speaker 3: I mean, I haven't heard a lot, but the only
Speaker 3: thing what I have heard is pretty positive. So I
Speaker 3: don't think it's going to go anywhere. I guess it's
Speaker 3: more of a question of do we want to add
Speaker 3: more Mystery Bounties to the PLO series? Do we want
Speaker 3: to you know, change change that up? Do we want
Speaker 3: to do a five K? You know, it's there's a
Speaker 3: lot of problems with it rightither It is a bit
Speaker 3: more labor intensive for Aria, but then for us it
Speaker 3: does affect it's harder to predict the stream, so you know,
Speaker 3: like you kind of touched on, we've got to play
Speaker 3: a little deeper down to four players potentially, you know,
Speaker 3: on day one, So there's a lot a lot more
Speaker 3: to it, but hey, we're going to do whatever the
Speaker 3: players want and whatever gets good numbers.
Speaker 1: I think overall. Did you have other feedback from the
Speaker 1: players on this series. I know, the PLO series is
Speaker 1: one that you know, you kind of have switched up
Speaker 1: how it's it's looked, and then this one went. I
Speaker 1: believe it was like it had it had like the
Speaker 1: different buying levels like five K, ten K, fifteen K,
Speaker 1: and it was like regular PLO bounty then regular then
Speaker 1: regular bounty regul you know what I mean? Like, is
Speaker 1: that is that? Is this the best one you think
Speaker 1: that you've done? What do the players think? Do they
Speaker 1: want anything back? I mean one of the things that
Speaker 1: I hear, I hear it. I know why we don't
Speaker 1: do it, but but everyone's always like, you know, you'll
Speaker 1: hear it, and it's like Alan Castler says it, and
Speaker 1: like I don't really care what he says, but I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just bringing it up to bring up, bring
Speaker 1: it up and ask you a question. But you know
Speaker 1: why no Polo high low. Yeah, I mean, I personally
Speaker 1: think Polohilo would fit more in like the Mixed Game
Speaker 1: series than it doesn't the PLO series. You know, I
Speaker 1: would rather if you didn't anything here, like you would
Speaker 1: add a five card PLO.
Speaker 3: I mean We've tried both and they haven't been that successful.
Speaker 3: So we are all about, you know, maximizing our numbers,
Speaker 3: and those two don't fit the bill in this In
Speaker 3: this schedule, we're gone all high. Yeah we do. We
Speaker 3: go high bounty high, you know, high bounty high. That
Speaker 3: seems to be a good flow, so probably kind of
Speaker 3: keep that. And you know, I think we just got
Speaker 3: to tweak some things. You know, maybe there's too many.
Speaker 3: We've got to cut a fifteen K off and add
Speaker 3: another five k. Do we want to make the five
Speaker 3: k progressive and mystery boundiye, Like we're all about trying
Speaker 3: new things to see what kind of sticks, and also
Speaker 3: giving players options that they don't really have. There's not
Speaker 3: really any five K or ten K plow progressive bounties
Speaker 3: in the world except for us. Never really been a
Speaker 3: fifteen K plow mystery bounty. So we're doing new things,
Speaker 3: we're experimenting, we're seeing what players like, and we kind
Speaker 3: of fit to what the masses want, all right.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I like it. I think it's great.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to be the similar schedule
Speaker 1: and length for the second series?
Speaker 2: I thought maybe eleven events was a little too long.
Speaker 1: You know, it seemed like the thing lasted for freaking Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, is have any money left?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I thought it was too long. I talked to
Speaker 3: you know, say I talked to Bryce about it. He
Speaker 3: was like, I think it was fine because you know,
Speaker 3: at of the players here only play plow. You know,
Speaker 3: it is a little long for Negrano and Lonnus and
Speaker 3: Alex Fox and that play all the other stuff as well,
Speaker 3: But for say Bryce or you know, Ronald Kaijer, just
Speaker 3: the pure plow guys, it's not long at all.
Speaker 2: It's kind of perfect.
Speaker 3: So knowing that, okay, that's I guess eleven isn't too bad.
Speaker 3: But come October, we definitely want to try and bring
Speaker 3: back the hundred K. So trying to fit this in
Speaker 3: with a very already busy October with you know, with
Speaker 3: some other high stake stuff planned, maybe the series gets
Speaker 3: cut down a little bit. We go down to eight events,
Speaker 3: just so it can you know, what they're spending is
Speaker 3: essentially can be fairly equivalent once we add like one
Speaker 3: hundred K to the end of the series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think you would probably want to cut
Speaker 1: it down if you're going to put one hundred k
Speaker 1: on the end as well, you know, just allow people
Speaker 1: to kind of save some money. Yeah, I guess in
Speaker 1: that regard. One thought is you have a mystery Bundy
Speaker 1: prize that's one hundred k entry.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's so hard to predict those mystery bounty payouts though,
Speaker 3: because it's so fields.
Speaker 1: Also the ones that you did, you know, like how
Speaker 1: you had it was it was, it was what it
Speaker 1: was like thirty percent of the prize bowl went to
Speaker 1: the mystery bounders and the rest went to the regular
Speaker 1: price bowl. I thought that was a great breakdown as
Speaker 1: opposed to doing it fifty to fifty. You know, the
Speaker 1: bounties I thought were pretty hefty. I know, only two
Speaker 1: people won bounties. Tyler Brown won two hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: thousand and Bryce Yockey won one hundred and ten thousand.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's just how things broke in this
Speaker 1: specific situation. But you know, one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 1: k for a big one. I liked how there was
Speaker 1: still a fifty k. There was two fifty k's, but
Speaker 1: one of them was reserved for the final table. I
Speaker 1: thought that that was great.
Speaker 3: That's you know, comp I have to give a big
Speaker 3: shout out hit to Paul Campbell because you know the
Speaker 3: fact that I was playing with kangaroos and one bats
Speaker 3: down in Australia. He kind of took full control of
Speaker 3: the mysteries. And you know, during the summer Aria run
Speaker 3: a lot of mister Bounie, so he has a lot
Speaker 3: of experience. A lot of these tweaks were all his ideas,
Speaker 3: so he wanted to keep one of the second place
Speaker 3: ones for the final table.
Speaker 2: He kind of controlled the amounts.
Speaker 3: We just got the all the envelopes made in advance
Speaker 3: so he could figure out the numbers and make sure
Speaker 3: it works. So big shout out to to poll with
Speaker 3: those ones.
Speaker 1: I definitely would throw in like like I know the
Speaker 1: fifteen K mystery boundie that we did, the lowest one
Speaker 1: was five K. I would have like two to one
Speaker 1: ks I wanted.
Speaker 3: I wanted a five hundred because they're they're chasing the
Speaker 3: big they don't care about five k or ten K.
Speaker 3: They want to win one twenty five. So how do
Speaker 3: we Is there a way we can you know, make
Speaker 3: a few five hundred or one thousand ones just so
Speaker 3: we can have maybe another one hundred k somehow. That's
Speaker 3: what I would rather do so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. How would we do some of
Speaker 1: those code works?
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: You have to refresh me. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: we have to do.
Speaker 3: You do?
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Speaker 3: Producer Rich hasn't been working for the last seven weeks.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's move things over to the first ever
Speaker 1: Super High Roller Bowl Mixed Games. Chad eve Sledge won
Speaker 1: the damn thing one hundred thousand dollars by and he
Speaker 1: won one point two million dollars. There were twenty nine
Speaker 1: entries in this event. The top five paid. Eve Sledge
Speaker 1: came out on top one point two million. As I mentioned,
Speaker 1: he beat Michael Manchek aka Texas Mike seven hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five k for him, Yuri's Eve Alevski aka ury
Speaker 1: nerd guy out of Brazil, but I believe he relocated
Speaker 1: to Miami third place for four hundred and fifty k,
Speaker 1: Daniel Legran new fourth place for three hundred k, and
Speaker 1: then Benny Glazar fifth place for two hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Before we talk about this event a
Speaker 1: little bit more, Tim did an interview with Eve Sledge
Speaker 1: after eve Sledge grabbed the title. So let's kick it
Speaker 1: to that interview right now and then we will be
Speaker 1: right back.
Speaker 3: Chad, congratulations, first ever Super high roller Ball Mixed Games Champion.
Speaker 3: I want to know, as a mixed game player, what's
Speaker 3: it like that. You know, we've had the fifty k
Speaker 3: for fifteen plus years or so, now we have one
Speaker 3: hundred K mixed tournament.
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Do you think to the mixname community.
Speaker 4: I think it's a good signal on I mean, everyone
Speaker 4: who comes in the mix typically stays in mixed because
Speaker 4: it's it's a lot of fun. People love it, and
Speaker 4: getting more exposure will bring more people in. I mean,
Speaker 4: it could really explode if it gets enough people. But
Speaker 4: because people once they come in, they don't leave. It's
Speaker 4: they're like everyone says the same thing. It's way more
Speaker 4: fun than no Limit.
Speaker 1: It's like that.
Speaker 4: So it's a great sign that the mix is kind
Speaker 4: of growing.
Speaker 3: We've had four PGTM mix same series, and obviously this
Speaker 3: is the first super high roller ball. When you heard
Speaker 3: that we're going to do one hundred k, whether it
Speaker 3: was through the WhatsApp chats or you know, through social
Speaker 3: what was your first thought when that came out?
Speaker 2: When those needs come out?
Speaker 4: First off was like, well, I'm gonna play, but that's
Speaker 4: a lot of money.
Speaker 3: But I was excited.
Speaker 4: I knew I was gonna play it.
Speaker 3: I just I was excited.
Speaker 4: I mean it was I thought it was going to
Speaker 4: be like I thought it was gonna be smaller. Honestly,
Speaker 4: I mean everyone here did a really good job promoted
Speaker 4: it and getting it big, especially when Jju was going
Speaker 4: on it would have. I mean, I can't believe how
Speaker 4: big it would have got. We probably have got another
Speaker 4: ten people if JJU wasn't going on.
Speaker 2: So when you.
Speaker 3: Know, you played all the PGTAM Mixed Games events leading
Speaker 3: up to this and we had really you know, we
Speaker 3: had record breaking numbers. Was that do you automatically think, hey,
Speaker 3: this one hundred k is going to be big? Or
Speaker 3: it was because of the buying. It was always be
Speaker 3: like we just done not Yeah.
Speaker 4: Everyone was kind of debating it. I thought it was
Speaker 4: going to be small, like hundred k is like you know,
Speaker 4: everyone says, yeah, I'll probably play, but hundred k is
Speaker 4: a lot of money. And yeah, I mean it blew
Speaker 4: my expectations. I would have thought it would have got
Speaker 4: about twenty but yeah, what did we even twenty nine?
Speaker 3: Twenty nine? Yeah, that's pretty sick. So we you know,
Speaker 3: we're trying to make this the kind of mix game
Speaker 3: to play. Obviously it's it's hard to ever rival the WSP,
Speaker 3: but you know, there's ten games and this makes you know,
Speaker 3: one more than WSP, a lot less than the Dealer's Choice.
Speaker 3: What do you think would be right to be the
Speaker 3: kind of mix you know, the super hyroll makes this
Speaker 3: ten game kind of ideal, do you.
Speaker 4: Think I think ten games good, but Doogie is nice.
Speaker 4: I think that's a good addition. PLO No Limit definitely
Speaker 4: should be in there. I think I think it's just
Speaker 4: kind of perfect. Actually, I don't think there's really one
Speaker 4: game that that anybody's like, oh, that should be in there.
Speaker 4: It's just like it's got a little bit of everything
Speaker 4: and like enough variety. The word it's challenging where you know,
Speaker 4: the big dead players would have to kind of bob
Speaker 4: and weave and like Paougie and stuff. So I think
Speaker 4: it's a good balance.
Speaker 3: You have WPT title, you have four WSB Bracists now
Speaker 3: Super High Rollable title. They're all different, you know, big feels,
Speaker 3: you know, bracelests a special, this is special. Where does
Speaker 3: this rank in kind of all your poker accomplishments throughout
Speaker 3: your career?
Speaker 4: I think this this might actually be my my favorite one.
Speaker 4: Like my first WPT win was just like probably the
Speaker 4: most special to me, just because I was like kind
Speaker 4: of like that was like heater begins and it was
Speaker 4: just it was more exciting, like you know, this was
Speaker 4: this Don't get me wrong, this was exciting, but it's
Speaker 4: like it gets it's not the same when it's not
Speaker 4: the first one. But as far as like my favorites,
Speaker 4: I mean, that's got to be this one, this one,
Speaker 4: Like I would much rather have this title than like
Speaker 4: a you know, a random fifteen hundred world series or
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 2: Perfect answer for us.
Speaker 3: I want to talk a little bit about the players.
Speaker 3: Pretty much every player in this field. You got a
Speaker 3: lot of experience, you know, whether it's WSP, whether it's online,
Speaker 3: whether it's playing on these apps whatever. But Texas Mike
Speaker 3: the guy you kind of went heads up with, how
Speaker 3: do you approach playing him, you know, in the four
Speaker 3: ring settings, and also then heads up with him not
Speaker 3: as versed in some of these you know, yeah mixed games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like I feel like the people that come
Speaker 4: in here, there's kind of generalities about them, where like
Speaker 4: beginners often make the similar mistakes. However, Hike was making
Speaker 4: was like his was all bizarre. He was like really
Speaker 4: aggressive and something. I mean I thought I thought he
Speaker 4: played pretty well actually, especially for not having much experience.
Speaker 4: I mean, like like I said to the other guy,
Speaker 4: I mean the URI call, he thought it out exactly perfect,
Speaker 4: and I was like I you know, I'm not sure
Speaker 4: this was running through URI's mind, but I think Uri
Speaker 4: thought that Mike wouldn't put it together because he's kind
Speaker 4: of newish and like, because I don't think Uri would
Speaker 4: run that bluff that often.
Speaker 3: I don't know he.
Speaker 2: Switching back here to the PGT.
Speaker 3: You know, you picked up four hundred points here, you
Speaker 3: had it, you know, a casher in the Mix Game series.
Speaker 3: Obviously we have WSP coming up. We do a million
Speaker 3: dollar free roll. Is that something you know? Not a
Speaker 3: lot of mixed guys get into the free roll just
Speaker 3: because of the amount of mixed events, But is that
Speaker 3: something you know? You've got a pretty good start, right
Speaker 3: non you know, is this something you really want to chase?
Speaker 4: It's definitely in my mind. I mean I will play,
Speaker 4: I'll plably play the twenty five k no limits and like,
Speaker 4: you know, if I'm really close, then maybe I'll jump
Speaker 4: into like the fifty k oh limits at the World Series.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: So that was Chad eve Sledge after his win. I
Speaker 1: know it's a couple of weeks old now, but still
Speaker 1: very important. First ever one hundred K buy in Mixed
Speaker 1: games tournament, the largest ever. How do you think it went?
Speaker 1: It was three days. It was long, but it was fun.
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty nine entrance was definitely more than I expected
Speaker 3: leading into it.
Speaker 2: We had no idea, but never done this before. It
Speaker 2: had never been done.
Speaker 3: We're hoping for two tables two, maybe we get to three,
Speaker 3: have some fun, what some money, But to get to
Speaker 3: twenty nine is kind of incredible. For shout out to
Speaker 3: Phil Sterenheimer for really behind the scenes sending texts and
Speaker 3: you know, running online satellites and really you know, forcing
Speaker 3: the action, as I may say, to get people out here.
Speaker 3: And even on that the eve of the event, you know,
Speaker 3: the satellite doing this crazy deal that involved tallal him
Speaker 3: and Sam Stonefield just to ensure that Sternfield had a
Speaker 3: seat and also Tall I will guarantee to play too,
Speaker 3: because you know, Phil was always in. But yeah, twenty
Speaker 3: nine entrants. It's just a fantastic result. And I think
Speaker 3: a lot of there was a lot of fomo out there.
Speaker 3: We heard from players that they were kind of they
Speaker 3: were unsure and now they kind of regret not playing.
Speaker 3: There's people that went to try and that kind of
Speaker 3: wish they didn't go to Tryton just to play this event,
Speaker 3: So yeah, massive success in my eyes.
Speaker 1: Who were some of those players? I mean, I know
Speaker 1: Jared Blesnik I saw him talk about.
Speaker 3: Jared was a big one that you know, kind of
Speaker 3: regretted going to try and we heard, you know, in
Speaker 3: the Nacho wish he you know, he did okay there,
Speaker 3: but wish he kind of stuck around to play that.
Speaker 3: So and we saw people skipped skip trying, you know,
Speaker 3: we saw ras he skipped tried, Nick Sulman skip Triyton.
Speaker 3: Although Scott Seever isn't known to go there, he's very
Speaker 3: capable to go to try it and play. But you
Speaker 3: know he played every every event in the Mix Sam
Speaker 3: series and the Super High Rollable Mix. So that was
Speaker 3: a great thing. If you know, hopefully bring it back.
Speaker 3: If we can just fade Hied, maybe that number twenty
Speaker 3: nine starts creeping up, we can, Hey, let's sayme for
Speaker 3: thirty five entries next time.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Osmas was a Triton. He was a tried and
Speaker 1: I know they weren't at Triton, but the two commentators
Speaker 1: I think certainly would love to play Alex Livingston and
Speaker 1: Christmas commentary for all three days if you want to
Speaker 1: learn about mixed games. It is incredible commentary incredible from
Speaker 1: Livingston and Witch. You can find it on Poker Go,
Speaker 1: you can find it on the Poker Goro YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: But they did three days of coverage for this event.
Speaker 1: So you get the best players in mixed games in
Speaker 1: the world playing one hundred k buy in, super long,
Speaker 1: drawn out structure, player friendly structure, whole bunch of different games,
Speaker 1: and then you get two of the best minds in
Speaker 1: the booth. It was incredible if you want to like
Speaker 1: learn and just you know, get insight into their brains,
Speaker 1: which isn't obviously easily accessible, Like you can't just phone
Speaker 1: up Alex let Meson and be like, hey what do
Speaker 1: you think about this? Or call Chris Bitch be like hey,
Speaker 1: what do you think about this? But this was like
Speaker 1: I don't even know how long it was, fifteen hours
Speaker 1: of some of the twenty hours of coverage, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: and it's all them. It's just those two in the booth,
Speaker 1: you know, going back and forth, you know, talking through things.
Speaker 1: So I would highly encourage anyone who missed this, who has,
Speaker 1: you know, even the slightest interest in mixed games to
Speaker 1: check it out. And I think that those two guys
Speaker 1: as well are probably like, you know, next year, I
Speaker 1: really want to try and play it. Obviously, they probably
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun being in the booth. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I think you know, you see it and you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: I got twenty nine entries, Like I you know, I
Speaker 1: should be in there. You know what am I doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah that you know, they're absolutely fantastic behind the mic.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're right, they probably wanted to be in there.
Speaker 3: They didn't have the best mix game series, so that
Speaker 3: was probably one reason as well.
Speaker 2: But yes, twenty nine entrance. We never we never saw
Speaker 2: that one coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the satellite that you mentioned had seventeen
Speaker 1: entries twelve thy seven hundred dollars buying in that one.
Speaker 1: It got two seats and then a little bit of
Speaker 1: money left over for third, which ended up going to
Speaker 1: Phil Sternheimer after they had that long negotiation that lasted
Speaker 1: like forty five minutes for Yeah, you got any player
Speaker 1: feedback from it other than you know, the players who
Speaker 1: were like, oh I should have stuck around and played.
Speaker 3: I mean no, outside of let's do this again and
Speaker 3: let's try not to make it over that with try
Speaker 3: and that's about it. So no complaints about the construction,
Speaker 3: no complaints about the ten games choice that we did.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're just going to try and figure out
Speaker 3: how to do it again next year. And you know,
Speaker 3: let's just yeah, that's all I really can say right now.
Speaker 1: So we used we first on the PGT when we
Speaker 1: implemented the PGT Mix Game series. We came out that season,
Speaker 1: we had two of them. You know, we ended up
Speaker 1: thinking like, okay, you know, maybe two's too much, right,
Speaker 1: and we went back to just doing one. I mean,
Speaker 1: is is one PGT mixed game series coupled with this
Speaker 1: super high rollable mix Is that enough mixed games on
Speaker 1: the PGT?
Speaker 3: You know how You Yeah, I think it is, you know,
Speaker 3: with with the mix game series and then you have
Speaker 3: the World series, there's a lot of big buying mixed games.
Speaker 3: And for these guys, you know, unlike the No Limit guys,
Speaker 3: unlike the PLO, a lot of them are they've got
Speaker 3: a heavy percentage of themselves and it's not like they
Speaker 3: can drop in steaks and play a bunch of five
Speaker 3: k horse events around the world.
Speaker 2: Right at least with No Limit.
Speaker 3: PLO, you have a wider variety of steaks, bigger fields,
Speaker 3: more money that you can win and get you know, unstuck.
Speaker 3: You can get out of any makeup you may be in.
Speaker 3: But with these guys, you just really have the world series.
Speaker 3: You have us, and then you have whatever cash games
Speaker 3: either in Arizona or Vegas or LA or in the
Speaker 3: East Coast to play. So it's a much harder to
Speaker 3: dig out of the hull. So if we make if
Speaker 3: we you know, if we do add a second series,
Speaker 3: you know, we make the buyings too big, it can
Speaker 3: really really hurt the playoffool. And I'm definitely not bringing this.
Speaker 3: We're not going to audible up one series.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 3: Maybe we added event L to next year to the series,
Speaker 3: but that's really the most I would want to do.
Speaker 1: Just quickly, I was looking at the PGT mixed games,
Speaker 1: uh you know leaderboard and the players there. Ryan Miller
Speaker 1: is somebody who I thought might hop into the Hunter K.
Speaker 1: You know, he's just so good at mixed games, you know,
Speaker 1: but maybe it's just the fact, I mean he had it.
Speaker 1: He hit a pretty good PGT mixed game series, you know,
Speaker 1: he cast for two hundred and ninety three thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: so I thought we might get him in and.
Speaker 2: He doesn't love the big bet stuff.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, but he you know, he might be one
Speaker 1: of those people who he sees how many players it
Speaker 1: got the first time, and then next year he kind
Speaker 1: of splurges, you know, to do it. We didn't get
Speaker 1: Gino Reim in it, which was surprising, right and because
Speaker 1: he you know, I mean spoiler for what we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about next, but he's the winner of the
Speaker 1: PGT Mixed Game series and it's just surprising to not
Speaker 1: see Chino then get in to the Hunter Game Mixed
Speaker 1: James Ops, who did well in the final event of
Speaker 1: the PGT Mixed Game series but had food poisoning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he opted it to go home.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So like those are players that I think you get eventually, right,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: China played the satellites, he played the online satellites and
Speaker 3: it didn't break, didn't break the right way for him.
Speaker 2: And yeah, he had a good series.
Speaker 3: He you know, I know the cash games that he
Speaker 3: normally plays were popping off in the poker room because
Speaker 3: I went in there yelled at him for not being
Speaker 3: in the live satellite. But and then Obbys had some
Speaker 3: food poisoning and he had a terrible series before the
Speaker 3: twenty five K, so he was stuck a lot and
Speaker 3: you know, digging out of the hall winning four hundred
Speaker 3: sixty K or whatever it was, and the the finale.
Speaker 3: It's a good way to just hey, I'm going to
Speaker 3: take some profit, get back down to Australia. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Another player who we all thought would play, David Oppenheim.
Speaker 1: You know, at first it was a question if he
Speaker 1: would play. Then he showed up for the twenty five case,
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, okay, he's in. But then chip
Speaker 1: the hundred k's and we're like, well, what the heck
Speaker 1: is going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he did. He was there for the hunter K.
Speaker 3: He did come into the room for a little bit,
Speaker 3: so I thought maybe he would register late.
Speaker 2: I guess not. Yeah, maybe we get him next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean I think, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: a good number next year is thirty, Like that's the target.
Speaker 1: Try and get to thirty. Yeah, however, we can do it.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's great to have somebody like
Speaker 1: Phil Sternheimer behind it. You know, this is very much
Speaker 1: his baby as much as it is yours. Somebody else
Speaker 1: who I know he wants to play it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he would ever play it with certain things.
Speaker 1: But president of Poker Grow Marius Candani, I know he wants.
Speaker 1: I know he wants to play very much, but you
Speaker 1: know he won't play stuff if it's streamed. Like there's
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I get it. But you know, this
Speaker 1: is definitely a bucket list item for him, and I
Speaker 1: think he would do very well in the field. Every
Speaker 1: time he plays these mixed games, he does very well.
Speaker 1: So you know he's he's someone else.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: And then I bet you probably get like I bet
Speaker 1: next year we get like one or two kind of
Speaker 1: like random European guy who we just don't know of
Speaker 1: yet but is a mixed game guy who probably just
Speaker 1: sat on the sidelines and then now he sees it,
Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna go, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go take the shot type of thing. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet we I bet we get that. And then
Speaker 1: it sounds like this is going to just remain on
Speaker 1: the PGT calendar. Is that that's the plan?
Speaker 3: I didn't say why not if we can just yeah,
Speaker 3: like I said, get the scheduling riot, we can maximize
Speaker 3: the numbers to get you know, increase on that into
Speaker 3: that thirty thirty five player mark for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Did Gordonski play.
Speaker 3: Gordon?
Speaker 2: I think Kip.
Speaker 1: I think he was. I don't remember him really having
Speaker 1: a good mixed game series.
Speaker 3: Hit Yeah, three cashas for one hundred and thirty three K.
Speaker 3: But he was always kind of, I think, on the fence.
Speaker 3: From the list of forty names that we had going
Speaker 3: into it, he was always kind of not in the
Speaker 3: not in the green light.
Speaker 1: Now, what do you say when you know there's people
Speaker 1: out there? We hear it. We hear it a lot
Speaker 1: throughout the year. We hear it the most during the
Speaker 1: World Series of Poker. But people say that, you know,
Speaker 1: you guys need to do more mix games or mixed
Speaker 1: games are underrepresented. I ran through some of the numbers,
Speaker 1: you know, and I feel like they're very well represented
Speaker 1: from Poker grows aspect, on the PGT aspect. So I mean,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts there when people say you guys
Speaker 1: don't do enough or do more.
Speaker 3: Those people are correct and they're also incorrect. And what
Speaker 3: I mean by that is they are underrepresented when you
Speaker 3: compare it to everything in the world, all the streams,
Speaker 3: all the no limits streams, the cash game tournaments plow.
Speaker 3: But if you take it and look at the the
Speaker 3: player pool and the percentage of players that play mix
Speaker 3: I think it's, if anything, we do definitely more than
Speaker 3: that player pool percentage wise. So we do a lot.
Speaker 3: We have a mixed game series, we have the Super
Speaker 3: High roller Ball. We obviously stream mixed games of the
Speaker 3: World series. No one else really does any mixed games,
Speaker 3: so you know, don't tell us we're not doing enough,
Speaker 3: tell everyone else that they're not doing enough. So I
Speaker 3: think it's pretty well represented in general. But you know,
Speaker 3: people are always gonna complain or find a hole in something,
Speaker 3: and you know, we'll just take it on the chin
Speaker 3: and move on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was trying to look up the stats quickly that
Speaker 1: I shared with someone, but but I'm not able to
Speaker 1: find them right now. But I mean, we do I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of mixed game streaming when you
Speaker 1: when you factor in, we do every five table from
Speaker 1: the PGT mixed Game series. We did the three straight
Speaker 1: days of coverage. I mean it's like two and a
Speaker 1: half days, but still of the Super High Rollable mixed games,
Speaker 1: you know, so that's like what ten days, twelve days
Speaker 1: of mixed games coverage there. We'll do a small handful
Speaker 1: of events during the World Series of Poker, but then
Speaker 1: we'll do multiple days of the fifty k PPC. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like there's I feel like
Speaker 1: we do a ton, like like percentage wise, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's it's it's a lot. So you know when
Speaker 1: when people say like it's it's underrepresented, I you know, personally,
Speaker 1: don't look at us, like us we're doing the most
Speaker 1: with this sort of stuff. And you know, listen, I'll
Speaker 1: be flat out honest. It probably doesn't benefit us from
Speaker 1: a business perspective to do them because the viewership is
Speaker 1: not there. Like it's just you know, you know, we
Speaker 1: probably should be doing other stuff. But it is also
Speaker 1: partly our responsibility, at least in my opinion, that we
Speaker 1: should do mixed games, right, we should also do PLO.
Speaker 1: We should do mixed games, you know, I would say,
Speaker 1: obviously Nolavan hold them is the biggest and the best,
Speaker 1: so we do the most of that. We do the
Speaker 1: second most PLO, and then we do the third most
Speaker 1: mixed games. You know, but I think eight or nine
Speaker 1: straight days of final tables for mixed games leading into
Speaker 1: Super High rollable mixed games and then the stuff that
Speaker 1: we do in the summer. You know, I think it's
Speaker 1: certainly well represented when it comes to the Poker Go
Speaker 1: and the PGT offering. All right, last question, and then
Speaker 1: we'll move it over to the PGT mixed games. So
Speaker 1: the WSP they're finally doing one hundred k buy in
Speaker 1: PLO event, right, we were the first ones to do
Speaker 1: that with super high rollable PLO. They have now gotten
Speaker 1: on board. Do you think that similarly they're going to
Speaker 1: follow with a bigger mixed games event, greater than fifty k.
Speaker 1: And the one I guess wrinkle here is that the
Speaker 1: fifty k PPC is such a prestigious event, So like,
Speaker 1: do you want to you know, go bigger than that?
Speaker 3: No. I I love the PPC. I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people don't. I want to mess with it. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't do anything bigger. I think fifty k is perfect.
Speaker 3: Don't touch it, don't go bigger, just keep it the same,
Speaker 3: That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I agree. I was just wondering if
Speaker 1: maybe that was the thought that they might, you know,
Speaker 1: do something.
Speaker 3: If anything, you could up the buy in, but don't
Speaker 3: add if you add something bigger to it, I think
Speaker 3: you just kind of kill a lot of that prestige
Speaker 3: that that you're trying to to have with the fifty
Speaker 3: k PPC.
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of like, I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like they did that with the twenty five k horse,
Speaker 1: like in a weird you know, even though it's on
Speaker 1: the other side. It's like it's like, do you have
Speaker 1: the fifty k PPC, Like nothing should be near it,
Speaker 1: Like that's just like the the tournament you don't touch. Oh,
Speaker 1: I found the stats. By the way, So between PGT
Speaker 1: mixed games and Super High Rollable mixed games, we did
Speaker 1: ten days of streaming three four total minutes, which equals
Speaker 1: fifty two hours a lot. That's only that's only during
Speaker 1: those series, Like that doesn't include I think we did
Speaker 1: what three or four days of PPC streaming during the period.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then of course, you know, well if somebody
Speaker 1: makes a big file table or whatever, we'll mix in
Speaker 1: some other mixed games at the WSP. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of mixed games coming out of
Speaker 1: Poker gro and the PGT. Some might say too much, honestly,
Speaker 1: but no, but it's good, all right. And speaking of
Speaker 1: Mixed Games. Gino Reim now a two time winner for
Speaker 1: the PGT Mixed Games Series. He won the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five version. He had won win two final tables, three cases.
Speaker 1: He won three hundred and forty eight five hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: The event that he won was even number four ten
Speaker 1: K eight game. He chopped it evenly money wise with
Speaker 1: josh Aria, and then they did this crazy flip fest
Speaker 1: at the end where I think they were flipping in plo,
Speaker 1: which is nonsense at the end, but another good showing
Speaker 1: at a mixed game series, you know, for China Reim.
Speaker 1: I guess the fact that he's now won the PGG
Speaker 1: Mixed Games twice even more so makes me wonder why
Speaker 1: the heck he wasn't in the Super High rollerblels. You know,
Speaker 1: what does it say in your opinion about his game,
Speaker 1: his consistency, you know, across all the different variants. Obviously
Speaker 1: very very tough group of competitors to go against.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's just I think he's got an
Speaker 3: incredibly underrated career, right, you know, when it comes to
Speaker 3: the PGT, obviously he has those two series titles he played,
Speaker 3: He's no limit plays play a low plays mixed games,
Speaker 3: WPT titles. You know, WSP success may not be there,
Speaker 3: but you know he does have that final table run.
Speaker 3: He I think he's you know, very underrated poker player
Speaker 3: and it's good to see him. You know, he won
Speaker 3: that series title a couple of seasons ago one one
Speaker 3: this season. You know, he's currently high up on the
Speaker 3: PGT leader board and slowly, you know, he's turning his
Speaker 3: life around with everything of his past instances, getting healthy,
Speaker 3: trying to be a good dad. And you know, I'm
Speaker 3: a big, big fan of China Room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you mentioned on something I was thinking
Speaker 1: if I should bring up or not, but I'll bring
Speaker 1: it up because you brought it up, you know, talking
Speaker 1: about how he's kind of fixed all of his past issues, right,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of it was you heard all
Speaker 1: we always heard all the rumors about the money stuff
Speaker 1: and the debts and not paying people back and and
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. Now it seems like everyone
Speaker 1: loves the guy. You know, when we walk into the
Speaker 1: Poker GHO studio, he's by far one of the most popular,
Speaker 1: most liked players in there. And I don't think that
Speaker 1: you would see that if he still had that baggage
Speaker 1: with him. You know. Now, listen, I don't know all
Speaker 1: the details. I don't know if he made everything right
Speaker 1: or if it was just like kind of just let
Speaker 1: go right. So but I'm not going to speak to that.
Speaker 1: But I will say is that if that that baggage
Speaker 1: was still with him, I do think that he probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't be as popular, or you would hear kind of
Speaker 1: some comments or people you know, would be a little
Speaker 1: bit more standoffish as they would towards him. And what
Speaker 1: I'm getting at is like when I'm in the commentary
Speaker 1: booth and I'm reading the chats on YouTube, on poker,
Speaker 1: grol whatever, and people are just like they're stuck in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, two nine, twenty ten, like that Gino.
Speaker 1: And he has certainly changed, you know, He's certainly trying
Speaker 1: at least very hard to become a better person. And
Speaker 1: I think that that needs to be said. You know,
Speaker 1: not that I have any reason to be up here
Speaker 1: defending the guy or saying that anything that he did
Speaker 1: in the past was right, because it probably wasn't right,
Speaker 1: but he you know, I think people do deserve second chances,
Speaker 1: and they do deserve the the opportunity to right their wrongs,
Speaker 1: to become a better person. And I think Chino is
Speaker 1: certainly evidence of that, you know, everything single day. I
Speaker 1: think he's waking up and just trying to be the
Speaker 1: best that he can be. So, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: one of those people that I guess hops in the
Speaker 1: chat and just kind of says like, you know, no,
Speaker 1: Chino's a dirt bag and whatever and this and that,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think so anymore. Honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: so drop it. It's basically, you know what I'm going
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people with Chino is you know,
Speaker 3: we've posted some stuff on social and seeing the response
Speaker 3: of him playing big pots where there's a lot of
Speaker 3: table talk and they're showing cards and you know, just
Speaker 3: a lot of talking. And that's Chino's style. That's the
Speaker 3: style that we all grew up watching on TV with
Speaker 3: mattis our Helm, with Negrano, and you know, the current
Speaker 3: state of high stakes poker tournaments, you know, we've got
Speaker 3: some robots, We've got the Chidwick's, we got the Peters,
Speaker 3: we got these silent guys that are very gto and
Speaker 3: very you know, stoic, stoic with their actions and mannerism.
Speaker 3: Chino is not that guy. Chinos there to have fun.
Speaker 3: He's there to enjoy himself. You know, gives a bit
Speaker 3: of action, he gambles a little bit, he talks a
Speaker 3: little bit, but he's there to have fun, enjoy himself.
Speaker 3: And I think people that are playing with him and
Speaker 3: are in his presence enjoy his enjoy him being there.
Speaker 3: So you know, you can have your own opinion on him.
Speaker 3: I think we see him firsthand. I think we're fans
Speaker 3: of Chino, both from him being one of our players,
Speaker 3: but also how he you know, communicates with us, right.
Speaker 3: I think he's always nice to us, always talks to us,
Speaker 3: always very friendly, very jovial, very fun. So yeah, like
Speaker 3: I said, I'm tam Cheno. If you're not team Cheno,
Speaker 3: that's okay. I'm not going to judge, but yeah, he's
Speaker 3: definitely a new and changed person.
Speaker 1: So two of the events at this series were record setters. First,
Speaker 1: the event number one, the five K horse event, had
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty entries, and then that record was
Speaker 1: quickly beaten because event number two had one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty eight entries. So that's my lead in to saying
Speaker 1: that you know, this series continues to perform extremely well
Speaker 1: from a numbers perspective, It's become very sought after by
Speaker 1: the mixed game community, the high stakes mixed game community.
Speaker 1: They love to attend it. They respect it, you know,
Speaker 1: they certainly show up. How proud are you with how
Speaker 1: this series has evolved in such a short time. It's
Speaker 1: only been on the PGT schedule for a few seasons now,
Speaker 1: and it is just it is really, really, really well
Speaker 1: attended every single year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this year you mentioned the five K
Speaker 3: Horse one hundred and thirty entrance, the five K A
Speaker 3: Game one forty eight. The previous records in both of those,
Speaker 3: respectively were eighty seven and eighty nine. So they didn't
Speaker 3: just like break it by a few players, it like
Speaker 3: smashed through it. When we walked in that room and
Speaker 3: saw all these people, we were just like, oh God,
Speaker 3: were screwed today. And it wasn't just like oh, there's
Speaker 3: ODB and there's Mike Lear and there's Elie Lezer. It
Speaker 3: was like a wave of players We had no idea
Speaker 3: And for like you, me and Mickey daff not to
Speaker 3: know some of these players is pretty amazing. We know everyone,
Speaker 3: So that's a good sign for the mixed game community
Speaker 3: coming up. You know with the World series, that new blood,
Speaker 3: new money in that in that player pool, and for us,
Speaker 3: it's great, you know. We it shows people come to
Speaker 3: support the series, they want to play in this, they
Speaker 3: want to be part of the pgteam mixgame series, they
Speaker 3: want to be on Puppetar And it kind of already
Speaker 3: says to me, Hey, when you stop planning next year,
Speaker 3: I think you need to put a third five k
Speaker 3: in there and kind of keep that new blod, that
Speaker 3: fresh blood in that room for just at least one
Speaker 3: more day.
Speaker 1: What was it, was it seven events at this series?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did seven to fit in that hundred k.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you could probably do what you said,
Speaker 1: add another five k kick it up to eight events.
Speaker 1: So there were I mentioned the two opening events were
Speaker 1: record setters. Then at the ten k price point you
Speaker 1: had event number three set the record for a ten
Speaker 1: k buy in event that was a ten k buying
Speaker 1: horse event had ninety five entries. Then even number four
Speaker 1: ten k E game. You know it didn't beat that
Speaker 1: record that was just said, but it's now the second
Speaker 1: biggest ten K mixed event that we had with ninety
Speaker 1: two entries. Then the fifteen K fifteen K Dealer's Choice
Speaker 1: set a record for a fifteen K one sixty five entries.
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's absolutely incredible that five of the
Speaker 1: seven events at this series are now in the top
Speaker 1: two or you know, in its its price category. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's just freaking wild, absolutely wild. And then and
Speaker 1: then the twenty five K is right there too, because
Speaker 1: the record for a twenty five K mixed for US
Speaker 1: is fifty seven. This one had fifty six.
Speaker 2: Close it was sub closs.
Speaker 3: I really wanted to go you know, four from four
Speaker 3: with breaking records at all price points, but we'll save
Speaker 3: that for next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, listen, it's it's this series I
Speaker 1: think continues to crush. I definitely think going to just
Speaker 1: having one of them, you know, it creates that that urgency,
Speaker 1: that exclusivity, that scarcity of it. You know, people know like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is it. You know I have I think the
Speaker 1: mixed game guys, you're they're like, Okay, I have the
Speaker 1: WSP and there's that, but now I have this other thing,
Speaker 1: and you know it might even be it might have
Speaker 1: its its positives over the w SB, not not the
Speaker 1: entire thing, you know, but you know, it's it's in
Speaker 1: a like a basically a confined, luxurious space where it's
Speaker 1: not you know, within everything else, it's you know, all
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff that these guys like they
Speaker 1: get the free food vouchers and you know whatever, Like
Speaker 1: it's just it's their little like home game for a
Speaker 1: week and a half or whatever, and then they absolutely
Speaker 1: love it. And you know, I know you and I
Speaker 1: know that the cash games were going off while this
Speaker 1: was happening. So yeah, I mean, it's just it's a
Speaker 1: lot of fun to see this. So I like how
Speaker 1: we've created basically two communities within the community sub communities.
Speaker 1: We have the PLO one, right, you have all like
Speaker 1: that group, that little family within the family, and then
Speaker 1: you have the mixed game family within the family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I really like that. And then you know,
Speaker 1: similar to how I asked you when it comes to
Speaker 1: the PLO series, how are you feeling about the schedule?
Speaker 1: Is this something that you're going to change for next time?
Speaker 1: I listen, you had Mory's mix. People were kind of like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is this? But also people loved it.
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the.
Speaker 3: Day, Yeah, look, I think the I think the first
Speaker 3: four events aren't changing, right, five K horse, five K
Speaker 3: a game, ten K horse, ten K game.
Speaker 1: The only thing that would probably change there is, like
Speaker 1: you mentioned, maybe you add another.
Speaker 3: Five Yeah, and I think the five K we would
Speaker 3: add is probably like, well, no, I want.
Speaker 1: To That's the one everyone keeps talking about.
Speaker 3: I think we want to do and a lot of
Speaker 3: players agree with me. But we'll keep kind of surveying.
Speaker 3: This is is a limited dealer's choice, so a ten
Speaker 3: game dealer's choice. You know, we think the twenty one
Speaker 3: game mix is a big step, but it's going to
Speaker 3: ten might keep might fit better with the five K
Speaker 3: horse and eight game players. The Mores mix, we wanted
Speaker 3: to try something different. We've been trying things different in
Speaker 3: every series, and you know we for this one, we
Speaker 3: wanted it all hot one winner limit game mix. People said,
Speaker 3: why do we have Omaha Hi in it? Yet they
Speaker 3: still played it. So seventy entrants amazing turnout.
Speaker 1: Seveny entries. You're you're keeping Morey's mix got to come back?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, so I may sure, we may keep it.
Speaker 3: We may it may become Chino's mix.
Speaker 1: By the way, Mary got second.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because he wouldn't have played unless if
Speaker 3: it wasn't named if it was named Tim's Mix, he
Speaker 3: wasn't playing, So I kind of forced him to play,
Speaker 3: and then he ran that up to a second place finish.
Speaker 2: So kudos to Maury, but I kind of I was talking.
Speaker 3: To Chino, and China's like, you should give me an
Speaker 3: event if I win this series. I was like, it's
Speaker 3: not a bad idea. So Chino's mix is in discussion,
Speaker 3: it's in negotiating, it's in contract. We'll see what kind
Speaker 3: of Chino cooks up there. Because it might be too crazy.
Speaker 3: It might be too crazy.
Speaker 1: You can call it Chino's mix. You can kind of
Speaker 1: give him some parameters that he has to work within,
Speaker 1: you know, some different games that he has to like
Speaker 1: pick from or whatever, and yeah, we go from there.
Speaker 1: I think that that would be cool.
Speaker 3: And there was a lot of complain There was a
Speaker 3: lot of you know, they will asked a lot of
Speaker 3: questions about the fifteen K Dealer's choice. You know, why
Speaker 3: are we going from ten to fifteen? And main reason
Speaker 3: was I wanted to. It was a good step up.
Speaker 3: You go from all these tens, you know, the five
Speaker 3: to five, the three tens you get to all fifteen
Speaker 3: than a twenty five K.
Speaker 2: The other point is the Dealer's Choice.
Speaker 3: It's it's the smallest player pool, you know, because it's
Speaker 3: the most unique kind of skills set with all these
Speaker 3: other games. So it was kind of that old saying,
Speaker 3: you know, if you're going to play ten, you're going
Speaker 3: to play fifteen in a way.
Speaker 2: And it showed that.
Speaker 1: Shout out Daria Summertinea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it showed with the unique entrance, it showed with
Speaker 3: its field size that you know, it didn't it didn't
Speaker 3: change a lot, you know, it just if anything, it
Speaker 3: just put more money in the prize well for these
Speaker 3: guys to win. And we thought, you know, it might
Speaker 3: attract a few more people to come out play that
Speaker 3: and then into the twenty five into the hundred. So
Speaker 3: for example, like Jason Mercier or you know, Phil Stenheim,
Speaker 3: a gen race that they came for the Dealer's Choice
Speaker 3: and the twenty five k then the hunter K.
Speaker 2: So I think it work with that.
Speaker 3: Don't say we'll change that, it's just what do we
Speaker 3: want to do with more's makes? Do we want to
Speaker 3: add another five k? And that's kind of the only tweaks,
Speaker 3: I'll probably think about.
Speaker 1: Making I definitely think you need to continue down the
Speaker 1: path of adding another five K and make it to
Speaker 1: make this eight events. I think eight events works. One
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I say that, and even even
Speaker 1: though I know it does lead into the hunter K,
Speaker 1: super high Rollerball mixed, is that I want to give
Speaker 1: people enough opportunity to like feel like the person who
Speaker 1: won the leaderboard like actually performed well, which you want
Speaker 1: more volume?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right enough.
Speaker 1: Now, you obviously can't have twenty five tournaments. It's just
Speaker 1: it's not possible. But so I think the eight works,
Speaker 1: and then I would add it on the front end,
Speaker 1: you know, because I think that having like those three
Speaker 1: five k's and like kind of you know, having those
Speaker 1: as quote unquote like feeders to the bigger stuff. But
Speaker 1: are you even like there's there's barely any, if any
Speaker 1: like five K mixed game tournaments in the world period,
Speaker 1: Like you know at the World Series there's are there
Speaker 1: any five k's or are they just are they just
Speaker 1: like fifteen hundred three K and ten K and above?
Speaker 2: Right, what's the new Toss event? What's that is that
Speaker 2: three K?
Speaker 1: So I think that's three K that replaced the three
Speaker 1: K horse.
Speaker 2: Well okay, so yeah, then there's no real kind of case.
Speaker 1: It's like still that's still something like when it comes
Speaker 1: to mix that like a Daniel mc grodni will show
Speaker 1: up and play or a Nick Schulman play, right, you know,
Speaker 1: just because mostly they want to play a pricier mixed game.
Speaker 3: Turns just no. You know, there's a five K eight
Speaker 3: game at Resources World n ap T. But outside of that, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, outside of the World series, you're not really
Speaker 3: finding high stakes mixed tournaments, you know, around town.
Speaker 2: It's very far and few in between.
Speaker 3: So you know, we're offering you know, ten days of
Speaker 3: kind of unlimited mix game action.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I like it a lot. I think it's great. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: find whatever the heck five K you got to put
Speaker 1: in there. I like that idea of like a limited
Speaker 1: dealer's choice. I think that's cool. Yeah, and yeah, and
Speaker 1: then hopefully, you know, between having three five k's at
Speaker 1: the start, you probably get a few more names. I
Speaker 1: would hope that play a couple of the ten k's
Speaker 1: and you know that sort of thing. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what that's what I would try and do.
Speaker 3: But we did We did see that too. We know
Speaker 3: we saw tal Aviv. He took second in the eight game.
Speaker 3: He played a few more events and we had never
Speaker 3: heard of him. Samuel Stonefeld played the entire series and
Speaker 3: then won that satellite played the Hunter K So you
Speaker 3: did definitely see These five k's kind of give the
Speaker 3: players opportunity to play a couple more events. So if
Speaker 3: we do ad that third one, you know, who knows
Speaker 3: what the leader would looks like. Maybe they chase a
Speaker 3: few events, you know, try and sell a little bit
Speaker 3: of action and try and become the next China Raim
Speaker 3: and win the PGT Mixed Game Series title next year.
Speaker 1: Something that I thought would would work great for the
Speaker 1: Mixed Game Series. I just think I think this crowd
Speaker 1: it would work great for it is if we did
Speaker 1: a twenty five K esque fantasy league and we did
Speaker 1: the draft the day before, because all these guys are
Speaker 1: the guys that do the twenty five K fantasy like you,
Speaker 1: you couldn't Yes, you could do one ahead of USBO,
Speaker 1: but like you're not getting Alex Foxen to come on
Speaker 1: down to the studio and like draft the team.
Speaker 3: It's been total to me, this is right. I think this.
Speaker 1: Group is the group that plays the twenty five K.
Speaker 1: So like you could do like, you know, a two K,
Speaker 1: like a twenty five hundred dollars buying fantasy league ahead
Speaker 1: of time. Yeah, and like you could just draft the
Speaker 1: night before and like we all hang out in the
Speaker 1: studio and fucking eat pizza and you know, have some
Speaker 1: fun with it, right, that would be super fun.
Speaker 2: I mean you could do it for the plot series too.
Speaker 3: I know something I know when you look at the
Speaker 3: twenty five K Fantasy and the teams that the twenty
Speaker 3: on teams that Daniel has in that they're pretty much
Speaker 3: controlled by mixed game guys. So yeah, it does make
Speaker 3: more sense to be aligned with the mixgame series. And
Speaker 3: obviously you know, let's Daniel, let's talk about it next year. Well,
Speaker 3: let's shy and work this out.
Speaker 1: I think you should you should talk to you should
Speaker 1: talk to Odi be and gregorch because they do the
Speaker 1: Gregorich League year, which is like that price point.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I think that because because you see it
Speaker 1: every year with the big twenty five K Fantasy, guys
Speaker 1: get drafted and they kind of go a little bit harder,
Speaker 1: or they seek backing, or they maybe get some financial
Speaker 1: help from the teams that drafted them, and they play
Speaker 1: a little bit more, so maybe it does a little
Speaker 1: bit better for the numbers then, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in twenty five hundred dollars. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: in fantasy poker. I'm fucking there.
Speaker 2: Let's go some.
Speaker 1: I'm sewing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I think that you're not the first one to bring
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 3: It's been brought up a couple of times by but
Speaker 3: players and fans. So hey, this series is what it
Speaker 3: I think it fits the best with and you know,
Speaker 3: let's let's try and squeeze us in next year.
Speaker 1: As it pertains to the PGT leaderboard. We got Eric Blair.
Speaker 1: That might not be a name you've you've heard in
Speaker 1: a long time unless you've obviously been following the PGT,
Speaker 1: because he's been. He's been playing quite sporadically for I
Speaker 1: would say three four five years before this PGT season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he popped in the studio heavy now and then, but
Speaker 1: now he's in there for everything other than mixed, he's
Speaker 1: in there. He leads the way with eleven and fifty
Speaker 1: seven points. Blair is doing extremely well this season. Thirteen cashes,
Speaker 1: six final tables, four podium finishes, two wins. He's cash
Speaker 1: for one point one seven four million dollars. He's ahead
Speaker 1: of Alex Foxen who's in second, Chino Reems and third.
Speaker 1: Kristen Foxen is in fourth, and then Joey Wiseman is
Speaker 1: in fifth. It's also wild to see both Fox's in
Speaker 1: the top five. Freaking crazy. So, I mean, Eric Blair,
Speaker 1: this guy is just he's having a monster season. It
Speaker 1: seems like every time he shows up for a series
Speaker 1: in the studio, he's having a bunch of cashes, making
Speaker 1: a few final tables. What did he have it? The
Speaker 1: USPO was eight events, he cashed six times.
Speaker 3: He cashed the first five events. So tis yea type
Speaker 3: the record that Roger Johnson held from lost year's USBO
Speaker 3: five consecutive PGT major cashes.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just wild. As I mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: in in recent years he's been playing a bit more sporadically.
Speaker 1: I mean, what what can you say about this guy's resurgence?
Speaker 1: I mean, and like in general, I think that this
Speaker 1: says something about the opportunity that the PGT presents. That
Speaker 1: if you have the money and you think you have
Speaker 1: the chops, like you could come out and be Eric Blair.
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, like I always want I want these
Speaker 3: new faces on top, pushing the narrative of the PGT
Speaker 3: that it's not what the higher roll the world used
Speaker 3: to be. So it's great to see a new name.
Speaker 3: I would say, new face, you know on PGT side
Speaker 3: of things on top. And after he cashed that fifth time,
Speaker 3: I said, hey, congrats, he tied the record.
Speaker 2: You're also first on both leaderboards.
Speaker 3: He goes, I know, like but like not like he's
Speaker 3: like he's he understands everything that's going on. He understands
Speaker 3: the leaderboards, he knows where he is on the PGT leaderboard,
Speaker 3: he's reading, he gets it all. He's you know, sharing
Speaker 3: all the social posts we're making. I think he's locked
Speaker 3: in on being number one in nine months when the
Speaker 3: season wraps up. So I think we're going to see
Speaker 3: him at every PGT stop, you know, going forward. Obviously
Speaker 3: he's going to play the World Series. You know, wouldn't
Speaker 3: surprise me at all if we see him in a
Speaker 3: couple of days down in Texas, you know, for the
Speaker 3: Texas Poker Up. I think he's going to chase points.
Speaker 3: I think he's basically the Jeremy Osmas of this season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard both sides of going to Texas. I've
Speaker 1: heard some people like I think I heard Jeremy say
Speaker 1: he's not going to Texas. He's heard to me. I've
Speaker 1: heard some other people say, and they are going to Texas.
Speaker 1: So you know, we'll see who goes to Texas who doesn't.
Speaker 1: But Okay, as it pertains to Jeremy like and going
Speaker 1: to Texas, he puts in enough volume when it comes
Speaker 1: to the PGT anyway that like, I don't think he
Speaker 1: needs to go to Texas, for example, but I would
Speaker 1: expect people like, you know, I don't know the Sam Laskowitz,
Speaker 1: is Nick Seward, David Coleman's of the world to be
Speaker 1: in Texas.
Speaker 2: David Coleman's definitely not going He's going on.
Speaker 1: I know, Like that's the type of group that I like,
Speaker 1: Matthew McEwen like, like the guys who are like kind
Speaker 1: of that next group that's like coming up on the PGT,
Speaker 1: Like I would expect them to go there, you know.
Speaker 3: Especially if you think he was going to WVT Choctaw
Speaker 3: that's two days later, you might as well just go Texas.
Speaker 3: Parker open and then chocktaw so yeah, like the McEwans
Speaker 3: and like, what.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna do? Poker's poker, go go play?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go? Are you gonna go to South Point
Speaker 2: with man Donnie?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna go play Texas?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean listen, maybe Sam Lasquitz is out obviously because
Speaker 1: he just had a baby, But other than that, like
Speaker 1: you know, I think those other guys should for sure
Speaker 1: be there. I don't see why not. I mentioned the
Speaker 1: two Foxes being in the top four. You know, Alex's second,
Speaker 1: Kristen is fourth, and sixteen points separate them. Kristin was
Speaker 1: up on top of the leaderboard. Alex has had a
Speaker 1: resurgence with the Polo series and then the USPO where
Speaker 1: he's now, you know, overtaken her, and he said second. Overall,
Speaker 1: it's crazy to me to see how well they're doing.
Speaker 1: Not that we don't know how good they are. We
Speaker 1: certainly know how good both Alex and Kristen are at poker.
Speaker 1: They're freaking incredible. Are they for sure Poker's most powerful couple? Ever?
Speaker 1: I mean, who, like ever, who is better? Like we
Speaker 1: can say obviously right now, yes, but ever, who's better.
Speaker 3: Skill or I'm I, oh, well, who's better than them?
Speaker 3: I mean, if we're talking power, I'm I'm sorry, but
Speaker 3: Gentilian Phil Lax still hold that?
Speaker 1: Please mate? Have they played one PGT event?
Speaker 3: Yes, they have, both of them have actually, but no,
Speaker 3: it's if we're doing power like I think they so win.
Speaker 2: If we're doing a skill, it's the Fox's and the Fox.
Speaker 1: Power power rankings.
Speaker 3: I mean Ryan now, yeah, but I mean Jen and
Speaker 3: Phil aren't that far below.
Speaker 2: It's Gentillian Phil Lack.
Speaker 1: Stop up, stop, You're ridiculous, all right, Nick Shulman, he
Speaker 1: leads the way with most cases. He's got fourteen cashes
Speaker 1: so far, he's got eight final tables, so he's got
Speaker 1: the most cashes fourteen eight final tables, is tied with
Speaker 1: Chino Reem also has eight final tables.
Speaker 3: Is this a.
Speaker 1: Season like we saw from Jeremy Osmas last year where
Speaker 1: Jeremy had I think it was like his twenty first
Speaker 1: cash that he finally won a tournament. It was the
Speaker 1: second during the second PGTPLO series, and I think he
Speaker 1: won like the one of the fifteen games or something
Speaker 1: like the second to last Evan or whatever. So is
Speaker 1: this what we're gonna see from Shulman this year just
Speaker 1: just just continuing to get close but never actually like
Speaker 1: get a trophy.
Speaker 3: Well, just for the record, Osm has in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: three cash twenty times, no wins. Twenty twenty four he
Speaker 3: had twenty seven cashes for two wins. Those two wins
Speaker 3: were one very late at that PLO series and then
Speaker 3: one I was obviously the PGT Championship. So essentially forty
Speaker 3: seven cashes, two wins. I think Nick Sureman is this
Speaker 3: year is gonna be this year? Is Jeremy Osmus. Yeah,
Speaker 3: forteen cashes so far, which is a hell of a lot.
Speaker 3: Hasn't you know, got He's got the final three four times,
Speaker 3: you know, hopefully he gets maybe he can win a
Speaker 3: WSB bracelet and you know, being nominee for the whole
Speaker 3: but otherwise, yeah, I definitely see Jeremy Ozma's two point
Speaker 3: out here.
Speaker 1: And then we you know, we already talked about this,
Speaker 1: but Shannon Shor is back up in the top ten,
Speaker 1: sitting ninth. Do you think he has a chance to
Speaker 1: become Player of the Year just with how red hot
Speaker 1: he is? Can like, can someone like can someone like
Speaker 1: Shannon Shoor do it? Can someone like Eric Blair do
Speaker 1: it like or is or is like the PGT player
Speaker 1: of the year. That's the player that finishes the regular
Speaker 1: season with the most points. Is that almost always gonna
Speaker 1: be reserved for an Alex Fox and a Jeremy Osmas,
Speaker 1: Daniel Legron, Steven Chidwick like those guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, you have to be out of play more events.
Speaker 3: And there's so many points in other games, especially at
Speaker 3: the World Series, with the PLO tournaments, with the mixed
Speaker 3: game tournaments. So that's where the ozimuses and the the
Speaker 3: Granders of the world have such an advantage. For someone
Speaker 3: like Shannon Shaw to be contending, he's gonna have to
Speaker 3: have continue his start of the year where he's won
Speaker 3: five tournaments in twenty twenty five, for another eight months,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: So it's going to be very tough. It's obviously doable.
Speaker 3: He could have a deep run in the main event,
Speaker 3: you know, he could win another twenty five K you know,
Speaker 3: the World Series or at the Studio doable. It's it's
Speaker 3: just a real uphill climb for only a no limit
Speaker 3: holding guy.
Speaker 1: Now we're a little bit over. I mean we're about
Speaker 1: a quarter of the season in right, I mean, how
Speaker 1: many how many events do you think we're going to
Speaker 1: have this season?
Speaker 3: So that was event forty. We kind of averaged that
Speaker 3: one thirty to one fifty. We have eighty six events
Speaker 3: once the World Series ends, and I would expect we,
Speaker 3: you know, we're probably going to be maybe a little
Speaker 3: bit more than last year where it was one thirty two.
Speaker 3: So let's call it one forty. So we've had forty
Speaker 3: of one forty.
Speaker 1: So we're around a third to a quarter to a
Speaker 1: third other percent a quarter to a third of the
Speaker 1: way there. I flubbed that, but you guys get the point.
Speaker 1: You know, we're starting to kind of see the leaderboard
Speaker 1: like take shape. Obviously, there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: movement the Texas Poker Open, which is you know, Tim
Speaker 1: and I will hit on in a second, but you know,
Speaker 1: that's obviously coming up, but that's not going to have
Speaker 1: like a ton of points that that shift everything. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the big thing is the World Series of Poker, which
Speaker 1: has thirty events this year. I think that's the most
Speaker 1: ever that qualify for the PGT, right, I think last
Speaker 1: year was twenty nine. Yeah, thirty, So there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of movement when it comes to the WSOP.
Speaker 1: But you know how like, how do you think this
Speaker 1: is all is shaping up, this this leaderboard right now,
Speaker 1: do you think it's going to kind of hold form
Speaker 1: or you know, what are your thoughts on it?
Speaker 3: I mean, no, it's not gonna hall. We're going to
Speaker 3: say massive movement once that WSP hits. You know, we're
Speaker 3: going to start the WSP with a mister Bownie, the
Speaker 3: Omaha High Love, a Mixed Higher, all the dealers sort.
Speaker 3: There's just it's going to be chaos. We're going to
Speaker 3: see all kinds of new names and faces, you know,
Speaker 3: enter that top you know, one hundred players that top
Speaker 3: forty players. But if we look at the kind of
Speaker 3: tour as a whole and we see who's you know,
Speaker 3: in this top forty right now, I think it gives
Speaker 3: a lot of them a good kind of starting point
Speaker 3: for the rest of the season. Like you look at
Speaker 3: Neil Warren, you know we touched on him on Nick
Speaker 3: Seward or these guys with four hundred and eighty points,
Speaker 3: they're sitting seventeenth and eighteenth. You know they're going to
Speaker 3: play most of the rest of our series. You know,
Speaker 3: they're going to play the World Series you know, they're
Speaker 3: also about halfway to what they need to qualify for
Speaker 3: the championship. So these guys have good starts and if
Speaker 3: they can just you know, keep going, they're going to
Speaker 3: make it. You know, you look at the guys outside
Speaker 3: or just on the fringe, you know, justin Saliba or
Speaker 3: Steven Song, you know they're going to find points. Josh
Speaker 3: arih he's going to play a bunch of makes and
Speaker 3: p low. He's going to get, you know, push his
Speaker 3: tally up in the World Series. So just looking at
Speaker 3: who has points, I think it's a good sign for
Speaker 3: kind of PGT events once the World Series ends and
Speaker 3: what we're doing in the back half of the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so thirty events at the WICIP are going to
Speaker 1: count towards the PGT or they're going to be PGT
Speaker 1: qualifying events. Obviously, everyone that's that's really putting a lot
Speaker 1: of volume, in a lot of focus on the PGT.
Speaker 1: They're going for million dollar championship qualification. You know, they
Speaker 1: probably also have some of their eyes or some of
Speaker 1: their set sights on the Player of the Year title,
Speaker 1: which comes with a fifty thousand dollars prize, Like do
Speaker 1: you think that do you think the players are basically
Speaker 1: aware of kind of where they're sitting, what the season means,
Speaker 1: the leader board, and then how many events count for
Speaker 1: the DOUBSIP. Like one thing that I'll point out, just
Speaker 1: anecdotally is I was in the booth with Jeremy Becker
Speaker 1: and he was like, Wow, thirty events count this year,
Speaker 1: Like so he kind of wasn't aware. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, poker player is going to poke a player
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. You know, do you
Speaker 1: think that these players are aware of it, of everything
Speaker 1: the PGT is doing, and then are they going to
Speaker 1: kind of build their was ap schedules around PGT stuff.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think a lot of them. I
Speaker 3: look have looked, you know, real deeply at the World
Speaker 3: Series schedule yet, and I don't think they're going to
Speaker 3: be picking events because it qualifies for PGT points at
Speaker 3: this point in time. You know, like Jeremy Becker, he's
Speaker 3: if there's a ten k, you know, twenty five K
Speaker 3: high roller at the World Series, or there's a eight
Speaker 3: hundred at the win with two million dollar guarantee, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know what he's going to choose, but I
Speaker 3: don't think the decision is going to rest on PGD
Speaker 3: points for one or another. But yeah, I think a
Speaker 3: lot of people don't realize that there are thirty events
Speaker 3: that qualify for PGD points. But that's not because they
Speaker 3: don't know that. They're just not looking at the full
Speaker 3: kind of WSP schedule, right. They're kind of creating their
Speaker 3: own schedule and if events falling that they're not you know,
Speaker 3: lining up every event and saying, oh, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: play these thirty PGT events.
Speaker 1: But what about somebody like Eric Blair, for example, Like,
Speaker 1: do you think he's gonna be like because I mean,
Speaker 1: you mentioned he's obviously very aware of everything that's going on,
Speaker 1: so is he. Maybe it's not that it necessarily influences
Speaker 1: everything with him, but you know, maybe it does where
Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, I'm gonna play more ten K plus
Speaker 1: events this year.
Speaker 3: For him, maybe he maybe might play a few more
Speaker 3: ten k you know plus events, But I think that's
Speaker 3: more because he's had such a good start to the
Speaker 3: year for his kind of bankroll. So yes, he kind
Speaker 3: of yes and no answer there kind of see how
Speaker 3: it kind of all all plays that I guess.
Speaker 1: And then also during the summer, what's what's going on
Speaker 1: at the studio.
Speaker 3: We got eleven Aria hi Rollers renamed that, but right
Speaker 3: now eleven Area high Rollers, six PLO all ten k's
Speaker 3: and then five fifteen K no limit hold them high
Speaker 3: rollers overlapping the opening days of the main event, So
Speaker 3: eleven high roller events. Studio is going to be busy
Speaker 3: with some high roller op A tournaments.
Speaker 1: And those are always pretty well attended. Right The no.
Speaker 3: Limbit ones, especially two years ago, the PLO ones were crushing.
Speaker 3: Last year is a little bit down, and I think
Speaker 3: that's because there's so much PLO now.
Speaker 2: So we'll see how these ones go.
Speaker 3: Basically just giving players an opportunity to pick up points
Speaker 3: on during those when we think is the best part
Speaker 3: of the whole summer schedule.
Speaker 1: Where do you think the cutoff is going to be
Speaker 1: for the top forty? I think it's what was it
Speaker 1: lasting here?
Speaker 3: So the official top forty last year was nine to
Speaker 3: sixty nine. Stephen Chidwick was fortieth, but with the people
Speaker 3: that didn't qualify cash wise, it dropped down to eight
Speaker 3: eighty one. You know, the fortieth place this year is
Speaker 3: going to be like a little bit under that, we're
Speaker 3: going to say call it low nine hundreds, and then
Speaker 3: the actual top forty is going to be the fortieth
Speaker 3: player that qualifies. I wouldn't surprise me if he had
Speaker 3: less than eight hundred points, just because of the opt
Speaker 3: outs and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I think the cutoff is going to be a thousand. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going the other way. Who are some of your
Speaker 1: early surprises on the leaderboard.
Speaker 3: I think we've touched on Eric Blair enough, but definitely
Speaker 3: Eric Blair. I guess another one is, you know, Pad's
Speaker 3: had such a hot start and he's you know, backed
Speaker 3: it up by playing the Mixgame series, playing the PLO series,
Speaker 3: playing the USPO. He's obviously you know if you follow
Speaker 3: him on Instagram, he's heading a Europe for a little
Speaker 3: vacation right now before he comes back. So seeing him
Speaker 3: kind of keep pushing through and chasing the points and
Speaker 3: you know, like he like, we just can't touch on
Speaker 3: he has seven hundred and twelve points. You know, he
Speaker 3: might only need another hundred to qualify. Another name there,
Speaker 3: Michael Monchek. You know he's played some events here and there,
Speaker 3: but we've seen him Pogo Cup, play every event Mixed
Speaker 3: Games one hundred K mix came out for USPO. He
Speaker 3: skipped the PLO series, which is a little surprising because
Speaker 3: he does play PLO. But you know, seeing those who
Speaker 3: kind of putting in volume, who have never really put
Speaker 3: in volume on the PGT is great. And then you know,
Speaker 3: bit down the list, you're looking at these guys that
Speaker 3: you know you touched on that group of like the
Speaker 3: Sam Laskowitz So you got Nick c where You've got
Speaker 3: Neil Warren, who's new, you know, Matthew McEwan. These guys
Speaker 3: are you know, Jeremy Becker, et cetera. That I just
Speaker 3: seem to be firing everything Land and Tice stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So good to see that kind of next batch of
Speaker 3: kind of local pros putting in volume in the studio,
Speaker 3: chase in points, chasing PGG titles and all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, Becker's got some work to do.
Speaker 3: He's having a terrible start of the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's getting getting He's getting crushure that. I mean
Speaker 1: that that leads me to my next question. You know,
Speaker 1: who are your early letdowns, Like who's not performing.
Speaker 3: Jerry Jeremy Becker has played at least it's five thirteen
Speaker 3: twenty one events. He's got one cash for twenty five k,
Speaker 3: so he needs to do a lot of work. He's
Speaker 3: probably bubbled four events, so he needs to kind of
Speaker 3: turn all that round.
Speaker 1: Jan I will say that he's gotten screwed in a
Speaker 1: lot of spots. Some of it is not his fault.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, compared to last year, Jereymy Osmas is
Speaker 3: not having a great year, but he still has six
Speaker 3: cashes at three hundred plus points, so you know, he's
Speaker 3: still he's still getting on base. As they say, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, honestly, they're the two kind of biggest names
Speaker 3: that you know, really stand out to me. Another one,
Speaker 3: I guess, Dylan Lindy normally plays all our series hold
Speaker 3: Them plo and mixed. He's done some traveling, et cetera,
Speaker 3: so he's missed some stuff. He's only got six cashes
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifteen points. Stephen Chidwick another one former
Speaker 3: Player of the Year, three cashers. Obviously he doesn't live
Speaker 3: here anymore, so has some traveling that he does, and
Speaker 3: he obviously goes to play Trent. But you know, one
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy point one hundred and seventy four points
Speaker 3: for him, but you know, he'll probably likely pick up
Speaker 3: a lot during the World Series. So there's a couple
Speaker 3: of like the bigger names, and then you know, Stephen Song,
Speaker 3: Joseph Chug, these guys still kind of you know, Anthony
Speaker 3: who still choosing to do a little bit of traveling
Speaker 3: over playing poker. Probably healthy for their you know, relationships,
Speaker 3: healthy for their mind and help, you know, but you know,
Speaker 3: I want you in the studio playing every event. If
Speaker 3: I'm being selfish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm surprised a little bit with David Peters.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought by now he we'd be past
Speaker 1: the you know, the new dad stuff and he would
Speaker 1: just be putting in his normal like full volume. And
Speaker 1: we obviously know how good David Peters is. You know,
Speaker 1: he does have six cashes, yes, but no podium finishes
Speaker 1: as of right now, and only two hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: seven points, which you know, like you said, getting on base, Yes,
Speaker 1: but you know he's got to have to turn it
Speaker 1: up a bit. I would add Carrie Katz, he's been
Speaker 1: putting in the volume. Yeah, he has five cases, but
Speaker 1: he has yet to make a final table. So you know,
Speaker 1: Carrie's got some work to do as well. And then
Speaker 1: David Coleman, who's probably not put in as much volume
Speaker 1: as he did last season. You know, obviously had that
Speaker 1: scorching hot start last season, but you know, David with Coleman,
Speaker 1: I think needs to start getting to work. And then
Speaker 1: another one I think is Brock Wilson. You know, I
Speaker 1: kind of expect him to maybe not necessarily like be
Speaker 1: in the top forty, but be challenging, you know, be
Speaker 1: within twenty spots of the top forty, and he's he
Speaker 1: hasn't been in the studio like a whole time, and
Speaker 1: then he hasn't been performing of course, so you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see how how that stuff goes. But you know,
Speaker 1: those are kind of the names that that stick out
Speaker 1: to me as you know, I mean, we call him letdowns,
Speaker 1: but it's just you know, lack of performance right now.
Speaker 1: But it's obviously a long season. There's a huge chunk
Speaker 1: of stuff, as we outlined during the summer for the
Speaker 1: World Series, so you know, plenty of plenty of movement
Speaker 1: still to be had, points to be grabbed, all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. So so we'll see. This is now
Speaker 1: the fifth season of the PGT, you know, has the
Speaker 1: leaderboard race, you know, the race for Player of the
Speaker 1: Year getting into the championship? Has that all kind of
Speaker 1: evolved how you had hoped? You know, where it's it
Speaker 1: really is, Like it's not just a points race. It's
Speaker 1: definitely evolved into you know, a big giant competition within
Speaker 1: the high stakes community. It has a lot of season
Speaker 1: long narratives. The guys you know in Gales, they really
Speaker 1: get behind it, they fight for it. They are for
Speaker 1: the most part pretty aware of all the leader boards.
Speaker 1: So has it evolved to like what you wanted it
Speaker 1: to be or does it still have more to go?
Speaker 1: Is it a head of pace behind pace? Like what's
Speaker 1: your kind of thoughts there?
Speaker 3: I think it's still has a little bit more to go.
Speaker 3: This year has been coming off last year. I think
Speaker 3: we see a lot of players Okay, I want to
Speaker 3: be part of this, this free roll, this million dollar
Speaker 3: free roll. And we see that really developed in the
Speaker 3: latter stages of the season, especially with PGD Lost Chance.
Speaker 3: So I think that we're always going to trend up
Speaker 3: at the end of the year. Season on season. You know,
Speaker 3: we just kind of touched on texts PO grow up
Speaker 3: in and players. Yeah, I'm not going to go we
Speaker 3: kind of want when we start expanding the tour and
Speaker 3: branching out, we kind of want people to really, you know,
Speaker 3: choose us and go to all our stuffs, play all
Speaker 3: our events. Maybe next year we see a bit more
Speaker 3: of that and a bit more picking and choosing our
Speaker 3: events over everyone else's. But either way, if you look
Speaker 3: at our numbers, numbers are increasing, I think across the board,
Speaker 3: so everything's kind of on the up. And the points
Speaker 3: race is obviously important. Qualifying for the free roll is important,
Speaker 3: and making that a real event that people want to
Speaker 3: be part of. Like, how do we you know, this year,
Speaker 3: can we make it a bit more special somehow? Like
Speaker 3: what can we do from our side the PGT slash
Speaker 3: Progago just to make it more of a spectacle. You know.
Speaker 3: I think we've talked about that a lot, and hopefully
Speaker 3: this year we can kind of really just turn it up,
Speaker 3: make it an extra special event, and really hammer it
Speaker 3: home that the is the where you want to be.
Speaker 1: Playing one more letdown while we're at it, red Linn,
Speaker 1: where's he been?
Speaker 2: He's chilling in China with family.
Speaker 1: Well that's not where the PGT is.
Speaker 3: I not, Citie, I.
Speaker 2: Got to take a break, Okay, not even coming to
Speaker 2: Defendi's title.
Speaker 1: Unreal unreal. I mean I brought him up to segue
Speaker 1: into the next topic we're going to talk about here. Briefly,
Speaker 1: Texas Poker Open next up on the PGT schedule. So
Speaker 1: the US Poker Open is obviously just wrapped up, the
Speaker 1: leaderboards heating up. Tim and I have talked a lot
Speaker 1: about it. We are now shifting focus to Houston. Texas
Speaker 1: Poker Open is back, baby. It features once again a
Speaker 1: two million dollars guaranteed main events. That main event runs
Speaker 1: April twenty third through twenty eighth down at Champions Club.
Speaker 1: There are also four fifty one dollars Nolan Man hold
Speaker 1: Him high rollers, so the series already started. The Texas
Speaker 1: Poker Opan runs the sixteenth April through the twenty ninth,
Speaker 1: a bunch of smaller buying stuff, but then within the
Speaker 1: schedule there are a total of five PGT qualifying events. You, sir,
Speaker 1: will be headed there pretty soon. What are you most
Speaker 1: excited about forgetting back?
Speaker 3: I am looking forward to eating a steak every day.
Speaker 1: I knew you were going to say that.
Speaker 3: The lunch and dinner. I'm not even joking. Food there
Speaker 3: is amazing. I love the food there. I just love
Speaker 3: the atmosphere of that room. I enjoy that the staff
Speaker 3: are great, they're friendly, focus great. I kind of just
Speaker 3: love everything about Hughes. I do also like that, you know,
Speaker 3: we're in the studio it feels sometimes twenty four to seven,
Speaker 3: right and you know, we do have the World Series
Speaker 3: coming up, so that would be a nice change of pace.
Speaker 3: But this is like a nice change of pace before
Speaker 3: the grueling summer, you know, getting out of the studio,
Speaker 3: getting to a different state, seeing some different kind of
Speaker 3: poker and styles down there, kind of what appeals to me.
Speaker 3: And you know, from the more PGT perspective, I think
Speaker 3: it's healthy for the tour to have a variety of
Speaker 3: locations where events are held. Now, you know, we're kind
Speaker 3: of touch on a lot of players aren't going to
Speaker 3: this one or they've got other things on. That's okay,
Speaker 3: that's you know, it happens. But at least we're providing
Speaker 3: the opportunity for our normal players to travel and accumulate points. Also,
Speaker 3: it also helps a tour that we can get some
Speaker 3: people into our system. You know, the winner of the
Speaker 3: main event is probably going to have anywhere between three
Speaker 3: hundred and four hundred points. That's going to put them
Speaker 3: in a pretty good spot heading in the World Series.
Speaker 3: You know you're someone like you know, Jonathan Tamaya last
Speaker 3: year finished a final table with the Texas Prokeer Open
Speaker 3: main event. He obviously won the WSOP main event, then
Speaker 3: he chased that third cash to qualify. So who knows
Speaker 3: where people are going to.
Speaker 2: Take their poker career this this year?
Speaker 3: Yea, but in Texas, when I see some people grab
Speaker 3: some points, grab some cash's kind of gives them their
Speaker 3: springboard on the PGT for you know, the rest of
Speaker 3: the season.
Speaker 1: You know, Jeff Platt will be down there as well.
Speaker 1: He put a lengthy post on Twitter earlier today about it.
Speaker 1: Let me just hit on kind of what he said.
Speaker 1: He said, I'll be at Champions Club Texas soon for
Speaker 1: the Texas Poker Roban. He's so excited. One of the
Speaker 1: best stops of the year. Here's why. Number one nice hotel.
Speaker 1: Every room in the building newly renovated. Can you go downstairs, boom,
Speaker 1: there's a poker room. That's cool. I have yet to
Speaker 1: be there, you can speak to this, but I mean
Speaker 1: the photos and everything look very nice.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously walking right downstairs and just being able to
Speaker 1: jump into a game seems amazing. Great food You've already
Speaker 1: hit on that, but Jeff, you know backs you up here.
Speaker 1: Not just great for a poker room, great food period.
Speaker 1: Chef Connie is simply elite. Some of the best steaks
Speaker 1: you've ever had. In the replies Alex Livingston, best poker
Speaker 1: food I've ever experienced. Buy a mile. So there you go. There.
Speaker 1: Terrific service and hospitality both on and off the fell
Speaker 1: Isaac Trumbo and his team treat players so well. The
Speaker 1: poker staff is filled with some of the faces you'll
Speaker 1: recognize from their time spent at some of the top
Speaker 1: tournaments in Las Vegas. Jeff added, the reason why we're
Speaker 1: talking about it the Poker Go Tour stops here, so
Speaker 1: it'll it ensures you'll be playing top quality tournaments set
Speaker 1: up by the commission himself. Tim Duckworth go shout out
Speaker 1: to you, Tim. Meetup game featuring seventeen times WS Bracelet
Speaker 1: winner Phil Helmyth on Wednesday night, that's April twenty third.
Speaker 3: And zero time WS tolet Wintering.
Speaker 1: Tim duck with you're going to be in there too.
Speaker 3: I know we're going to be in there.
Speaker 1: You'll be in there too. I believe I saw on
Speaker 1: the flyer one three nolim At hold on for me.
Speaker 3: So we may sell some action on poker Steake, but
Speaker 3: we'll be in there.
Speaker 1: There you go, And that starts at seven pm local
Speaker 1: time on Wednesday, the twenty third at Champions. The poker
Speaker 1: action is well, Buffalo Hanks, Brent Hanks, final table, the
Speaker 1: main event last year, enough said, so shots fired there,
Speaker 1: so yeah, and then we're gonna do live streaming of
Speaker 1: the Cash Festival, and then we'll also have coverage of
Speaker 1: the Texas Poker Open main events starting with day one.
Speaker 1: B on that one. So those are the nuggets from
Speaker 1: Jeff's post earlier today. So he's he's amped up. I
Speaker 1: know you're ready to get down there and go. So
Speaker 1: I'll be jealous, but I'll be sweating from afar. Give
Speaker 1: us some predictions. Who do you do you do you
Speaker 1: know any names that are going there? Who do you
Speaker 1: think is gonna do well? Like? What what do you
Speaker 1: think the numbers draw for the high roller events? You
Speaker 1: got seven seventy three?
Speaker 3: Was it seven thirty three? I think it was whatever?
Speaker 1: Close?
Speaker 3: Well, look you know we have touched on it is
Speaker 3: top we have some players that you know where they're
Speaker 3: last year not coming for variety of reasons. So that
Speaker 3: makes us a little worried. If we're being honest, you know,
Speaker 3: we've got a big guarantee. Got to try and hit that.
Speaker 3: So that's the first goal, just get to just just
Speaker 3: hit that two million dollar prize pull. But I you know,
Speaker 3: I honestly just want to see a good field, a
Speaker 3: lot of locals, a lot of satellite winners getting in there,
Speaker 3: making day two making a run. I think that's really
Speaker 3: good and you know, healthy for the Houston playpool. But
Speaker 3: I think it's Champions Club. You know, we've taken a
Speaker 3: tour there. Now. This is our third tour stop. You know,
Speaker 3: obviously we did this in April last year. We have
Speaker 3: the Texas Peeler roundup in November. You know, this our
Speaker 3: third time. They're Champions is really kind of stamping their
Speaker 3: foot on being the kind of premiere spot in Houston
Speaker 3: for poker and the people around them, the other poker
Speaker 3: rooms in the area. Kind of a kind of yep,
Speaker 3: we understand that we'll kind of operate around yous, so
Speaker 3: hopefully we see an incredible turnout, you know, of all
Speaker 3: locals and hopefully the players kind of enjoy themselves. That's
Speaker 3: what kind of matters. We want to put on a
Speaker 3: good series, put on a good show. We've got the
Speaker 3: cash game streams, we have the meetup game, we have
Speaker 3: the main event streams. So it's a good two weeks
Speaker 3: of poker in Texas. Sweet.
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, there will be coverage live streaming coverage
Speaker 1: on PokerGO dot com. You guys can check out pokerg
Speaker 1: dot com slash schedule for the schedule details there. Tim's
Speaker 1: gonna be handling a bunch of the live updates on
Speaker 1: PGT dot com, so you guys can follow along there
Speaker 1: as well. I don't think we got anything else to
Speaker 1: talk about. We've talked about a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: Got everyone caught up. Two hour show. Let's rock and roll, baby, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got anything else for us?
Speaker 3: I guess we'll talk off to Texas, all right, cool,
Speaker 3: I might try and play the main event. I'm gonna okay,
Speaker 3: let me ask you, okay, ready, I was gonna get
Speaker 3: their Sunday night.
Speaker 2: There's one hundred, huh.
Speaker 3: I said.
Speaker 1: The answer is yes, play.
Speaker 3: No, there's one hundred. Yeah, there's one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: dollars all in all fault time. I'm not gonna play
Speaker 3: that the next I was gonna play a three hundred
Speaker 3: dollars something one day. Should I just play the three
Speaker 3: hundred dollars satellite instead?
Speaker 2: Of course, I just try and get in. Yeah. Good,
Speaker 2: Jeff and Brent can cash.
Speaker 3: Surely I have a chance.
Speaker 1: Has Jeff cashed?
Speaker 3: He cashed? Yeah?
Speaker 2: They both cashed?
Speaker 1: Well, I know, I know brand obviously cash, yes, whatever,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I couldn't remember if Jeff did or not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean get in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1: All right, cool, all right, Well, long show, but we
Speaker 1: had to get everyone caught up and everything. Again. Apologies
Speaker 1: for the quote unquote break that we took.
Speaker 2: Remember those code words, go into them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember those code words. They were there were
Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle of this episode. Go find them
Speaker 1: and enter them for the promotion so you can have
Speaker 1: shots to win a seat to the PGT million dollars Championship.
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us. My name
Speaker 1: is Donna Peters, his name is Tim Duckworth, and we
Speaker 1: will talk to you guys next time.
Speaker 3: So yeah, express