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at the Thinkingatheist dot com slash events Today, I want

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to hear your perspective on the Epstein files. A lot

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of folks get onto me because we're not talking quite

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as much directly about religion these days, but it's okay

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to talk about social issues, isn't it. And everybody else

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is talking about the Epstein files. I'm curious about them now.

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Before I go any further, there was this post on

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Facebook by a guy named Adam Millery talking first about

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Julayne Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's enabler and co predator, and then

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he sort of spun on from there. I don't know

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if he originated the piece, but it was fascinating to

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read and it may reflect what a lot of us

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were thinking. And so let me just read it real fast,

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he said. Anyway, So Robert Maxwell, Julaane Maxwell's dad is

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buried at the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem with the

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highest honors. Big massad guy makes sense he'd get the

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hook up. Julaane, his daughter, ends up big homies with

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Jeffrey Ebstein, and together they run the island we keep

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hearing about in the news, a place that definitely did

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not have any secret cameras. Then the whole thing gets busted.

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Jeffrey dies alone in a prison cell under the Titust supervision.

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Right at the same time the cameras shut off very

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normal stuff. Julaane is in a minimum security prison in

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Florida and very much alive, despite the near unanimous hatred

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for child predators amongst inmate populations. Also very normal stuff.

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Suddenly there's a list, the big reveal. They've got it

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in a big binder, and stooges like Jack Pisovik are

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posing with it now. By the way, Jack pisobic is

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an alt right whack job conspiracy theorist dude. The post continues,

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It says, We're going to find out which of the

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global elite were involved in an international child sex trafficking ring,

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not a made up one like pizzagate, but a real

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one with evidence and convictions behind it. Meanwhile, the United

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States is giving the State of Israel three hundred ten

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billion dollars in aid for entirely unrelated reasons across decades

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of administrations for its military occupation of the lands it

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is colonizing and has essentially written net and Yahoo, who

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currently holds a fifty eight percent disapproval rating amongst voting

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age Israeli people, a blank moral check to genocide the

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Palestinian people the dust while being perpetually filmed in four

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K doing so. Nobody can seem to wrap their heads

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around why we very nearly go to global nuclear war

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about it. Elon Musk gets on Twitter and says, Donnie

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is on the list, and now suddenly there's no list

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and we're being told to just shut up and get

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over it. Some twenty seven year old who is like

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the fortieth speaker for this clown car administration. Personally, I

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miss the mooch, is scolding us from the TV screen

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to forget about it while they build full blown fucking

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concentration camps right next to Disney World, cut the healthcare

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for millions of people, bankroll at genocide, and fund the

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world's largest secret pl lease using the badges of a

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post nine to eleven counter terrorism agency and the juiced

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up surveillance policy of the Patriot Act. When I say

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that I find things insufferable, what I mean is it's

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pretty fucking obvious at this point that the list does exist,

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and there's hours and hours and hours of footage of

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politicians engaged in some of the most heinous behavior ever

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recorded to go with it, and you and I have

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to sit in our overpriced apartments, donate to our friends

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go fundmes, watch our other friends die and make shitty

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jokes while the prices on shit go up at the

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grocery store every day, so a bunch of fucked up

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boomer politicians can make it peacefully to the grave before

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it comes out they were on that island. We just

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have to live with that, go to work and do

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laundry and wash dishes with that knowledge in the air.

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To watch a geriatric failed game show host president who

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can't read four syllable words off a teleprompter and shits

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and have a UFC fight on the White House front

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lawn while my fucking teeth wrought out of my head.

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I have to watch desperation and gambling addiction, do the

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dragon ball Z Fusion dance in the hearts of my

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friends because everyone is fucking poor now, while stormtroopers and

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unmarked cars kidnapped my neighbors. So Laura Lumer can look

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down at her phone with the lifeless eyes sunk into

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what's left of her face and post AI memes of

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alligators in ice hats because they've actually got an extra

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four hundred and fifty million dollars a year to run

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TIMU a ctfxx Lushwitz with food trucks. I don't know

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how to read that, Please forgive me. It's pouring fucking

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rain for a week straight, to the point where literally

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one hundred people drown in their own homes in the

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city I live in, and a girls' summer camp just

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floats away with the kids still in it, and my

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friends reach out to me asking if I'm okay, like

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there's anything they could really do about it if I wasn't. Meanwhile,

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our senator is on fucking vacation in Greece. Because it

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doesn't actually matter what rotten, spineless eels these people are.

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The state propaganda machine will just keep rolling out the

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party lines and the fried mannaise suckers who voted for

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them will continue to cheer like the good little service

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animals they are, and election after election, education and healthcare

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will just get shittier and shittier until the power grid

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finally fails for good and we all die with it.

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Every fucking part of this Maga Nazi party is absolutely

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intolerable on every possible level, and it permeates every aspect

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of our life every single day. And people still have

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the balls to look you square in the face and

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say clown shit about how they don't want to talk

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about politics or that art shouldn't be political. I don't

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want to fucking hear those words ever. Again, it's one

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hundred and fifteen degrees outside for half the year, so

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my toaster can have AI powered Bluetooth connectivity, and so

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kids can cheat on their essays at school. Everything is

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political now, including the fucking weather. I have to watch

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politicians get arrested on TV by dudes in ski masks

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and it's not even cool. But there is no Ebstein list.

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I think he's upset anyway. I'll link that in the

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description box. If you've got Facebook, you can go browse

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it for yourself. The theories are that there are recordings,

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in fact that they're I'm setting you up. There are

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Epstein documents, there are many discs, There are CD ROMs,

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there are DVDs, there are hard drives, There's a ton

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of material. Don't tell me that there is not one

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person on those drives, on those discs. Who isn't some

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famous rich fat cat who raped young girls, underage girls.

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Don't tell me that the evidence is not there. I

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don't think it's us freaking out and being overreactive and

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just trying to take down the mag is. I mean,

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where's the urgency when it comes to child rape and

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all of these law and order types, you know, they're like, well,

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they're never were any files. But it has been interesting

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to see that this may be the thing that causes

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MAGA to splinter and self destruct. You and I thought

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the straw that broke the camel's back, what happened ten

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years ago. We thought the Access Hollywood tape would be enough.

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Oh that came out, Well, he's totally disqualified. We thought

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there would be one after the other, and we told ourselves,

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maybe this will be the thing that causes people to

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snap out of the kilma, and it just never happened.

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But for some reason, the Epstein tapes, this has become

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the thing. And so now even Mike Johnson, Mike Johnson,

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Speaker of the House, squirming in the seat, well, we

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need to kind of release if they're legitimate Padda, and

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he got Charlie Kirk and he's saying this sucks, we

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need to release them. And then he says, no, I'm

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done talking about it. And then he says, well, no,

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that's not what I said, and it's just insane. And

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the whole time, I'm thinking any and every moral creature

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should say where is the information and who is on

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the drives and the tapes. It's a public safety issue.

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These are predators, they are child rapists. And the fact

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that everybody is not screaming and especially Donald Trump, is

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not screaming for justice that the protections of these underage girls.

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And you and I understand it given his history of

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how he feels about underage girls. And we're not just

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talking about his daughter, who he's hot for, by the way,

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on record in his interviews when she was a young kid,

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talking about how she might develop, will she have good boobs?

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Who talks about that like that about their daughter?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: He said, the one thing they have most in common

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is sex. If she wasn't his daughter, he might be

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dating her. This is how his mind works. He's creeping

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around the teen USA dressing rooms because he can. You know,

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it's just he's on the escalator and he's on camera.

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He's going up the escalator. There's a ten year old

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girl and he's talking to her and he says something

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to her, and then he says, you know, in another

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ten years, I might be dating her who thinks like that.

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I am convinced that someone who would like to be

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a predator of underage girls. I think he's in there somewhere,

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and I think he's desperate. Now. There will be some

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who will never go there, who will say it's fabricated,

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it's AI, it's doctor. My Trump would never do that,

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But I think there may be a segment of the

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population that voted for Trump that will accept it if

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it comes to the public light. Will it are the

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finals being deleted or thrown outs? Are there copies if

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they have been thrown out? So many questions. Fortunately, we

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have reliable institutions like the satirical site The Onion. Trump

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urges supporters to move on from societal disdain for pedophilia. Yes,

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its satires so hard in this day and age. Facing

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mounting backlash from his magabase over his perceived ties to

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the Jeffrey Epstein case, President Donald Trump reportedly encouraged his

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supporters Monday to simply move on from society's widespread disdain

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or pedophilia. Quote, It's time to just accept that some

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people like having sex with kids and focus on the

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fantastic things we're doing to win back the respect of

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the world, said Trump, who expressed frustration that instead of

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celebrating the passage of his domestic spending bill or his

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historic deportation numbers, any of his supporters were getting distracted

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by quote something that people have done since ancient Greece?

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Are people really still talking about the sexual abuse of children?

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Let it go. Our administration is making America great again.

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That's the story, not whether I or anyone else diddled

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an underage girl. The case is closed. Sometimes kids get molested.

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Maybe they shouldn't dress like such slots. Trump went on

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to state that he has had many pedophile friends and

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associates over the years who have been fine, hard working Americans. Oh,

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the onion pulls no punches. There was another one. Where

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was that? Let me look it up here? It was

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from the Babylon b man who vowed to release Epstein files,

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erates idiots for believing there are Epstein files. After vowing

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to release the Epstein files, President Trump berated supporters as

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stupid and foolish for thinking there are Epstein files. By

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the way, for those who don't know, the Babylon Bee

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is santire Okay. Just a few months ago, Trump invited

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several conservative influencers to the White House to receive binders

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for what was supposed to be phase one of releasing

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the Epstein files, which Trump said only total idiots believe exists.

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It's all a hoax, and anyone who believed me about

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it is a total chucklehead, said Trump to reporters in

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the Oval Office. I said that when I invited those

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morons to get the little miners, I said, look, how

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stupid they are thinking there are Epstein files and these

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binders labeled Epstein files. Then when we said that we

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had the list on the Attorney General's desk, that people

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believed us, how stupid could they be? They're really dunces,

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my supporters. I'll tell you that. At publishing time, Trump

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had announced that the DOJ, the Department of Justice, had

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concluded its investigation and reported that no one named Jeffrey

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Epstein has ever existed. I sware it's nuts out there.

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It's chaos out there. I just cannot believe it. I'm

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reading super chats on the show today, So if you

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want to support me with the super chat, you are

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most kind. Muttley said. The scary thing about that satire

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is that it's so close to reality, and oh, satire

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is really, really, really hard these days. And it's also

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I think satire has always been a great way to

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demonstrate absurdity, right, you expose absurdity by being absurd. All

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truth lies in jest saying I am curious to find

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out what your perspective on all of this is. And

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I guess we can go into the did Jeffrey Epstein

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kill himself conspiracy theories? I tend to go with the

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Okham's razor explanation and they're wearing security cameras. A shit

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ton of people did benefit with his death, but I

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don't know that it will ever be known, So I

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I just I feel like that's a rabbit hole that

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I will never get out of. But I'll be curious,

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you know, to find out what you think about that

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as well, plus whatever else is on your mind, so

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we're not locked into the files. We can talk about

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whatever you want to talk about. Let's see, I've got

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Karen at every code six' six's. Two, Karen are you with? Me, yes,

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SIR i, Am, well what's on your? Mind what do

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you want to talk?

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Speaker 5: ABOUT i was calling because of just like a brief

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history of, ME i grew up In, Mississippi i'm surrounded

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by our religion and conspiracy, theories and it wasn't UNTIL

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i found people like you on the internet got me

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out of, that Thank, god BEFORE i voted For. Trump

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BUT i think we need to be doing LIKE i

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think some of us are kind of be in butt,

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heads And i'm not saying that they can sit with,

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us but we need to be kind of doing a

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little bit of. Work i'm seeing a lot of people

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around me start to LEAVE maga and they don't know

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where to, go and they don't know what to do

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with their. Brains because when you're leaving that way of,

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thinking it kind of feels like your brain's, breaking you,

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know and you've been. There BUT i don't. KNOW i

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don't know what we can do and what information we

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can put out there to, say, hey you've been duped

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anymore than we are already. Have but surely To, god

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there's a little bit of leg work we can do.

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It does that make?

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Speaker 2: Sense let me make sure i'm. Tracking are you saying

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that we need to approach these people with a little

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more grace because we've all been duped by bad? Ideas? Sure, yeah,

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YEAH i did a whole speech on this called the

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Brick Wall. Brain BUT i also find myself screaming at,

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them at least in my, brain for being. Idiots And

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i'm two people on this. SUBJECT i, mean that's. UNDERSTANDABLE

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i think we all feel. That for, you you feel that, frustration, right, yes, yes,

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Yes so what would your approach be.

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Speaker 5: With A trump? SUPPORTER i don't know. That i've Actually

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i've been trying to talk to a couple of people

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about this BECAUSE i keep saying there's a group Called

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Leaving maga that's trying to help people right, now AND

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i keep seeing their videos, online and LIKE i take

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care of my, grandparents my grandfather is a Hardcore trump.

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Supporter he AND i end up in screaming matches almost.

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DAILY i know that's not the way to do, it

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BUT i am seeing people like my cousin and the

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neighbor of, mine who both they voted For trump three,

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times and they're slowly kind of they don't agree with

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us on. Everything i'm not saying they, do but that

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kind of that spell is breaking whatever hold. INSANE i don't,

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know the insanity is kind of starting to break for,

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them AND i honestly don't know WHAT i can do

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other than be calm and rational and try my hardest

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to show them that you know that they were. TRICKED

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i don't know what to. Do that's kind of. WHAT

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i don't.

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Speaker 2: Know what's the name of that side? Again, Escaping Maga,

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Leaving Maga? Leaving is it A facebook? PAGE i? Think, no, no,

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no it's an entire. WEBSITE i am. Curious let, Me

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i'm going to take a look at. That you AND

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i are in the same. Boat we want to grab

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them by the shoulders and shake them and say how?

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Stupid can you?

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Speaker 6: Be?

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Speaker 2: Right it's at what? POINT i? MEAN i had a

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conversation a couple of days ago with someone AND i

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DIDN'T i didn't use that in that. LANGUAGE i was

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how DO i say? This BUT i didn't use the

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language of. ESCALATION i was asking a lot of. QUESTIONS

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i was making. COMPARISONS i was trying, to you, know

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get a little bit of, headway find common. Ground BUT

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i will admit that under my, SKIN i was, thinking

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what the hell's wrong with? You and THAT'S i think

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that's something a lot of people are thinking and. Feeling

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how many awful things have to be said and? Done

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AND i don't.

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Speaker 4: KNOW i you.

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Speaker 2: KNOW I i don't.

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Speaker 5: Know i'm in the, yeah like you, said we're in

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the same. Boat AND i KEEP i don't, KNOW i

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keep quoting on tyranny at. People but This, SCHNEIDER i don't.

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Know my grandfather studied, history AND i looked at him

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the other day AND i was, like you mean to tell,

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me with your, background your, education you don't see authoritarianism

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in our country right? Now and he looked me dead

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the eyeballs and said. No AND i don't know what

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you're supposed to do with, That, like, uh there are people,

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Though LIKE i, Said i'm in a small town In,

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mississippi and there are people here that are slowly getting

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away from. It and Because i've let myself be known

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as the town, liberal they keep talking to me about.

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It for some.

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Speaker 4: REASON i think.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to convince, you and sometimes they're trying to convince,

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themselves you. Know They if they can get you to,

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switch then that means they were right all, along you,

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Know SO i don't know you're. Right you can be

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a perpetrator of awful ideas and be a victim of awful.

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Ideas and let me make SURE i understand this. Point

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those who are LEAVING. Maga we need to do a

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better job of not, Saying, god you were an, idiot fuck.

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Off you did all of these horrible, things And i'm

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not going to forgive, you but whenever, possible to give

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these people a little grace for changing their minds and

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maybe helping lead them into a place of safety where

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they can embrace better. Ideas is that close to what

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your point?

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Speaker 5: Is, yes, Yes like you can't sit at the table with.

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Us you got to go sit in the corner for

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a little. While think about what you've.

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Speaker 2: Done go think about what you've.

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Speaker 7: Done, yeah you need to think about this for a, second.

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BUDDY i was, LIKE i think about it LIKE i

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would with my kid if she did, something you, know

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throw a rock out a neighbor's, kid, Like and this

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is way bigger than. THAT i acknowledge.

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Speaker 5: That but if we don't give them a little, grace

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they're going to just keep doubling. DOWN i, mean put.

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Speaker 2: Them in time, out but let them come back.

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Speaker 4: To, yeah, yep.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep that's a that's. All that's the first Time

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i've ever heard it phrase that, Way BUT i kind

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of like. IT i appreciate, You, karen and thanks for,

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listening for the kind. Words, okay.

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Speaker 5: Thank, you have a good.

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Speaker 2: ONE i see you. Later we're going to talk to

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you about whatever is on your. Minds we continue in

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just a. Moment it's a crazy, world and sometimes it's good,

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events which is what we are doing today talking to

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plenty of our listeners about whatever's on their. Mind SO

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i Am i'm not sure when the next public protest.

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IS i worry a little bit now after the two

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big ones we had first weekend Of, april and then

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there was one In july or, no it's In. June

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these massive, protests The Uno kings protests that were happening

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all around the. Country AND i was out there with

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my sign and had a quote From Thomas jefferson about

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how he rejected, monarchies AND i, thought, WELL i don't

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know when the next event, is but it's time for

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a new. Sign SO i had this mate The Republican

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congress prepares to, convene and it has a pair of

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lips With cheeto Orange cheeto dust all over, it and

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they are using an Actual cheeto to make their lips.

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Orange AND i, THOUGHT i JUST i thought it was.

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Clever and then there's another. One hang ON i had one.

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More you flip it so the other side of the

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image is a riff. ON i think this was attributed To,

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seneca BUT i don't think we actually know who said this.

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Quote but the quote is first they fascinate the, fools

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then they muzzle the. Intelligent So i'll be able to flip.

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Those BUT i like. Coming CAN i having a high

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end photoshopped kind of a, Sign but you, know, honestly

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the handwritten ones are some of the, best and the most,

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funny and the most, pointed the most, barbed and the

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most clever. Signs But i've got those. Coming and then

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somebody find out when the next event, is whether it's

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the fifty to fifty one or whether it's No kings

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or or whatever organization is putting the next one, on

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and THEN i would like to be there and we

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can spread the. Word let's take a look here For

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bernard at four seven. Zero, Hi, bernard, Welcome.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Seith it's me The Billy jot from under the bridge.

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Speaker 2: Again what's on your, Mind? Bernard let's? Talk?

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Speaker 4: Okay, well one thing that quote that goes back to

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one of my, heroes That's Bertrand. Russell they muzzle you

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know the intelligence and they That's bert And. Russell the

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other thing is you have TO i THINK i can

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be more forgiving when someone is willing to admit the

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mistake and work with you to get out of. It

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it goes back to the psychiatrist joke about how many

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psychiatrists does it take to change the light, bulb and

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the answer is. One but the light bulb must want to.

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Change So i've never forgotten. That but the thing that

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really bothers, me not only with the, evangelicals but just

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with The christian viewpoint of their place in the universe

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is really because they absolutely believe That heaven is their. Home,

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okay that means that you're visiting. Here it's as if

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you And natalie invite me to your. Home but aren't

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these are the. Rules you have to take the shoes

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off before you come in the, house be sweet and

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kind to liness and to the. Pets treat them like,

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family you. Know make sure that you're not not making

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noise after twelve o'clock or. One i've got to follow

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all the. Rules it's your. Home i'm a guest. There

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what do you think about the viewpoints that we should

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direct them to the understanding that even their view that

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the earth is not their. HOME i, mean your view

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is you're going to be raptured to go, home that

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heaven is your.

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Speaker 2: HOME i don't. Know for the, moment earth is their.

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HOME i think they consider this their first, home and

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then they're going to a permanent home at the end

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of their decades on this temporary. Plane BUT i think

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they see this as not just their, home but a

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home that they have been given dominion. Over rooting that

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in The book Of genesis As adam was given dominion

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over the. Earth all of the resources here belong to

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us for our use or to even. Exploit we are

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living on our, home and when we, die we're going to.

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Move So i'm not Sure i'm tracking with the analogy.

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Speaker 4: There, okay that's a very very good. Point but then

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you have to go back to As christ. Said you,

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know no good tree produces bad, fruit and no bad

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tree produces good. Food so we're looking at the results

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of their biology and it's not. Good we can point

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to it as to not being. Good the, transphobia the,

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homophobia the, racism the, xenophobia the, misogyny it's the disrespect

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for the. Environment how is anything good coming out of,

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this and so even according to the teachings Of, christ

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this is a very bad treat.

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Speaker 2: In their, opinion they see it as righteousness BECAUSE lgbt

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people are a perversion Of god's one, man one woman.

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Model christians are supposed to go ye into all the

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world and make. Disciples this is supposed to be not

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just A christian, nation but A christian. World and if

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you see the devil under every rock and its spiritual

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warfare in their, minds they are doing what is. Right

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they don't see it as.

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Speaker 4: Destructive but we have abundant empirical evidence that it is.

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Speaker 2: Well evidence and faith have often been at war with each,

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00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:46,519
other have they. Not you AND i showed them the

471
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:49,400
evidence for all kinds of, things the evidence for, evolution

472
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:53,400
the evidence that climate changes actually happening and it's human,

473
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,599
cause evidence that vaccines save. Lives we've shown them all

474
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,640
kinds of. Evidence but when you are in a belief,

475
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,400
culture and especially when you've been indoctrinated from an early,

476
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,920
age that's a tough wall to break. Through you, know

477
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:12,599
facts rarely change. MINDS i think something else has to happen.

478
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,880
First there has to be an opening of. Attitude so

479
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,440
that then the facts can break. THROUGH i think that

480
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,079
starts with the. HEART i think there's an emotional thing

481
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:27,799
that's going. ON i think relationships are. Important they say

482
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:30,400
one of the biggest factors for people changing their minds

483
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,480
is to expand their social. CIRCLE a lot of people

484
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:38,720
who scream about atheists and trans people And muslims and everybody,

485
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,319
else they don't have those people in their, lives so

486
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,000
they're easy to. Other but if they encounter those people

487
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:48,359
one on one as human, beings then the walls may

488
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,519
begin to come. Down that's my two. Cents, okay, okay

489
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:53,599
that doesn't make.

490
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,119
Speaker 4: Sense BUT i was thinking of your as you were

491
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,079
speaking of your comments of what you when you Quoted Bertrand.

492
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:05,319
Russell you, know first you muscle the. Intelligence but there

493
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:08,240
was something that he complained about these when you do

494
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,960
with that, mindset he, said you forced him against the.

495
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,839
Wall you know what reason and whatever it, is then

496
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,480
they gladly leap over the. Wall and then granted tell

497
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:19,440
you that they now standing the room in which reason cannot.

498
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,119
Follow and he, said in there we must leave.

499
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: Them, bertrand thanks so much for being a part of the.

500
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:26,960
Show thanks for, Calling.

501
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,599
Speaker 4: Thank, you thank you for accepting the call all, right.

502
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: Be, Good we'll see you. Later he is right THAT

503
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,880
i THINK i got that quote mixed up with somebody.

504
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,319
ELSE i THINK i Said. Seneca it's not an exact

505
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,839
quote From Bertrand. Russell it is a consolidation of What

506
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,599
russell had. Said he had actually, said the first step

507
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,039
in a fascist movement is the, combination under an energetic,

508
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,279
leader of a number of men who possess more than

509
00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:02,200
the average share of, leisure, brutality and. Stupidity the next

510
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,079
step is to fascinate fools and muzzle the intelligent by

511
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,240
emotional excitement on the one hand and terrorism on the.

512
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:15,519
Other so thank you for guiding me to the source on.

513
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:19,559
That i'm a Huge Bertrand russell. Fan the, philosopher you.

514
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:23,680
Know you spoke with that extremely aer udite and Proper british,

515
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:26,519
accent you, know and he would talk ABOUT i like

516
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,920
His it's, simple but it's, necessary like his perception on. Truth,

517
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:34,559
right if something is, true we should believe. It if

518
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,680
it is not, true we should, not and if we don't,

519
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:39,720
know we should withhold. Judgment why are you not A?

520
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 8: Christian because as you, knew if it is whatever new

521
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,759
of The Christian Dougwars i've examined all the stock arguments

522
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,400
in favor of the existence Of, god and none of

523
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,920
them seemed to me to be Logically rarely do you think.

524
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: There's a practical reason for having a religious belief for

525
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:00,240
many people.

526
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:03,319
Speaker 6: From, well it can't be a practical reason for believing

527
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:07,440
what isn't. True that's quite AT i rule it.

528
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 4: Out it is.

529
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 6: Impossible either the thing is true or it. Isn't if

530
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,119
it is, true you should believe. It if it, isn't you.

531
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:17,719
Shouldn't and if you can't find out whether it's true

532
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,920
or whether it, isn't you should suspend in. Judgment but you.

533
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:27,519
Can't it seems to be a fundamental dishonesty and fundamental

534
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:32,360
treachery to intellectual integrity to hold a belief because you

535
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,559
think it's useful and not because you think it's.

536
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: True let me tell you about this phone CALL i

537
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,559
had a couple of days. Ago SO i got somebody

538
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:42,360
who's maga and they want a, debate, discuss they want to,

539
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,000
discuss and AGAIN i can't help but think are they

540
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,880
trying to convince? THEMSELVES i don't, know but it was

541
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:55,320
part of the conversation was, well you don't believe in.

542
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,519
Creation i'm, like, WELL i mean like biblical, Creation, NO

543
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:04,440
i do. Not, well don't you look around and see

544
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,039
that everything is really miraculous and this is such it's

545
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,440
childlike Wonder but it's IF i may an infantile way

546
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,679
of looking at the world around. Us they see complexity

547
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,960
and they interpret that as a miraculous. Thing and as

548
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,639
you AND i both know there is wonderful stuff around,

549
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,440
us and there are absolute horrors in, nature we would

550
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,639
not call that a competent. Creation SO i begin to

551
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,599
kind of go down that. Road, well tell me why

552
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:41,960
our eyesight, degenerates and why do our joints wear out at?

553
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,199
Midlife and who put the windpipe next to the esophagus

554
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:48,079
so we choke to? Death and who put the appendix

555
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:52,000
in there so it explodes horrible infection into our bodies

556
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:55,519
and kills. Us all of these other things that are

557
00:35:55,519 --> 00:36:00,360
really poorly. Designed and so then it would be, Came,

558
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,079
well where do you think life came? From if not

559
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:08,159
from a? GOD i don't. KNOW i know that the

560
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:11,000
elements of the cosmos are in our. BODIES i know

561
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:14,679
we are all star dust that went over like a lead.

562
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,320
Balloon you. Know but when you say it that, way

563
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:19,920
were the stuff of, STARS i mean the hydrogen and

564
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,599
the helium and the altogether. Whatever all that stuff is

565
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:28,400
in our. Bodies, Right and we can trace the singularity

566
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,239
back to a single point thirteen point eight billion years.

567
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,159
Ago but when did non life become? LIFE i don't,

568
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:40,000
Know And i'll tell you a. Secret you don't know. Either,

569
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:46,039
right if we don't, know we should withhold. Judgment and

570
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,559
THEN i WAS i tried not to be too, caustic

571
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:51,599
BUT i, SAID i can pretty much guarantee you that

572
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:57,519
the origins of humankind do not involve a cosmic father

573
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,719
who conjured a dirt man and a rib, woman two

574
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:08,079
garden nudists who chat it up, reptiles, right talking snakes

575
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:11,440
are not part of our origin. STORY i think we

576
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:14,360
can be very confident of. That why do you believe

577
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,840
in The book Of? Genesis, WELL i take it on.

578
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,039
Faith oh that door opens, up AND i am so happy.

579
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,639
Faith you take it on. Faith you just know it

580
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:28,920
in your, heart, right uh. Huh so then the street

581
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:34,400
epistemology kicks. IN A muslim comes in and says That

582
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:39,920
allah created humankind and harvested a man from SOMEWHERE i

583
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,639
forgot exactly what the islam origin story is on the

584
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:46,519
top of my, head and they take it on. Faith

585
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,159
and if you were to sit at the table next

586
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:51,519
to each, other AND i was a neutral, observer how

587
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,719
WOULD i know which of your faiths was the correct?

588
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,400
One if? Either and then if A hindu sent down

589
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,639
and they took it on faith at one of their

590
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,920
DearS created all, things and all three of you were,

591
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,559
there how would you be able to know whose faith was.

592
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,840
Correct there are so many of these questions that believers

593
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,719
have never before. Heard it's like for the first time

594
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,480
they are being presented with these. Situationals and then you

595
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:20,639
can smell the cognitive, dissonance you can smell the, conflict

596
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,480
you can see them, going, well you, KNOW i JUST

597
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:30,480
i just, KNOW i just. Know it's. Remarkable it's. Remarkable,

598
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,000
anyway thank you for the Bertrand russell. Reference, there of,

599
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:39,719
course correction from our. Audience this is WHY i love.

600
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:46,800
You i've gotten an off topic call apparently From. Colin

601
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,119
there is no. TOPIC i guess we were Talking epstein and,

602
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,719
believers but we'll talk about. Whatever, colin you're out Of,

603
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,920
Ohio you're on the. Air welcome to the show what's going?

604
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 9: On, heys can you hear?

605
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: ME i, can? Indeed what's?

606
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 9: Up, Okay, Well i'll make it, quick BUT i just

607
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:09,800
wanted to share a funny story from my own personal deconstruction.

608
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,800
Journey so my. Parents both my parents Are, christian my father,

609
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,599
specifically and up until about a year, ago they ASSUMED

610
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:24,960
i was as. Well, Now i'm in no way here

611
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
to you, know bash my dad or anything like. THAT

612
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:29,639
i love him to, death but sometimes some of the

613
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:33,760
things he says is just batshit, crazy for a lack

614
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,719
of better. Words so he was over at my house one,

615
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,960
day noticed a few magnets on my, refrigerator noticed a

616
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,280
few BOOKS i had laying around the, house and the

617
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:52,079
magnets were specifically The satanic temple. Magnets i'm not A satanist,

618
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:56,119
myself but you, KNOW i do appreciate a lot of

619
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:58,400
the work they do with you, know separation at church

620
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,920
and state and women's right and all. That but what

621
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,880
was funny was he noticed notices all them and that's when,

622
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,480
he you, know made the connection you know THAT i

623
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:16,039
wasn't A. Christian and he made this, comment he, said he,

624
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,880
SAID i THOUGHT i raised you better than. This that

625
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,079
we you, know we've had discussions about that, since but

626
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,960
ever since he's always said that it's always kind of

627
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,519
rubbed me the wrong. Way but, Anyway i'm getting off.

628
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:32,360
TOPIC a few months, go a few months goes, by

629
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,800
my wife AND i are sitting on the couch uh at,

630
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,599
night WATCHING, tv just got the kids down for, bed

631
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,800
and we see a shadow coming from the kitchen and we're,

632
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,360
like you, know what is? That and you, know all

633
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,320
of a, sudden you start you start hearing the flapping

634
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,599
sounds and tiny little, squeaks and it dawned on us

635
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:55,119
that there was a bat flying around in our, kitchen you.

636
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:59,039
Know we so we we both bolted towards the, door

637
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,760
trying to cope sit. Outside i'd be lying IF i

638
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,079
didn't SAY i was probably the first one out the,

639
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:10,239
door but you, know after a few minutes we were

640
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,440
able to get it. Outside and we live in a

641
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,960
one hundred year old, house so it bats you, know

642
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:20,440
aren't uncommon for older homes at the first for us.

643
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,880
Though so, anyways we tell my parents this. Story you,

644
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,639
know my mom just thought it, was you, know just

645
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:30,599
a funny little. Story my, dad, however this is what

646
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,599
really takes it to the top without sugarcoating. It he

647
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:40,840
believed that a somehow a demon had manifested itself into our,

648
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,679
house and that the bat is not necessarily the demon,

649
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:50,039
itself but the bad omen triggering the demon into our.

650
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:55,880
House so for a really long time after, that he

651
00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:58,559
really struggled to come around the house because he was

652
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:01,719
afraid that he would get you, know bad mojo coming

653
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,679
from our. House you, Know we've had many many talks after,

654
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,400
that and you, KNOW i THINK i Think i've got

655
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,599
him to a place where he at least feels comfortable

656
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:16,400
coming around. Occasionally but, YEAH i just thought that was

657
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,119
a funny story i'd share with.

658
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: You so let me make SURE i understand, You. Colin

659
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,079
he thinks that perhaps Because god's headge of, protection which

660
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,760
is how it is often framed in the, church is not,

661
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,440
there that the bat was there sort of representing the

662
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,880
fact that you may be open to demonic. Influence.

663
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 9: Correct i'm not sure if, he you, know did some

664
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:48,239
reading or where he necessarily got this information. From you,

665
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,840
know maybe it is biblical. Text i'm not familiar with.

666
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:57,360
That but he he thinks that bats often manifests themselves

667
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,760
to attract dark, forces and that it was inviting demons

668
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:03,360
into our.

669
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 4: House that's.

670
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: Wacky THAT'S i thought so. Too how sad it is

671
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,000
to live a life though where everywhere you look you

672
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:20,679
can assign evil to. It in some. Way it's either

673
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,119
a harbinger of, evil or it represents the opening of

674
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:27,199
a door to, evil or it might be evil. Itself

675
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,119
i'm a product of The Satanic. PANIC i just saw the.

676
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,639
CONCERT i guess it's the last ever concert With Ozzy,

677
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,679
osbourne who Has parkinson's and he's way up there in

678
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,000
years and. So but he actually did a concert in

679
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,000
front like forty thousand, people and they brought him up

680
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,840
and he sat. Down they put him on this big

681
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,840
black throne and everybody was there was an outpouring of

682
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,079
love for decades of music and kind of who he.

683
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:55,840
Was and of course WHEN i was a kid during

684
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,760
The Satanic, panic people said he was an agent of

685
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,719
the devil, himself and he. Was his concerts Were satanic.

686
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,800
Rituals they said the same thing About Iron maiden And

687
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,559
kiss And Black. Sabbath you, dispriest How Stevie nicks was

688
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:13,000
supposed to be of the. Devil AND i think if

689
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:16,199
you live a life where your radar is always scanning

690
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:20,679
and you can find anything that's got pointy, teeth you,

691
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,360
know or as an, angler or you, know it looks

692
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,119
a little bit dissonant or. Whatever YOU i don't. KNOW

693
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,000
i think it's kind of a sad way to, Live.

694
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:34,199
Colin anything else BEFORE i move on is, no that's.

695
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,199
Speaker 9: IT i just, thought you, know with all the craziness

696
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,400
going on in the world right, NOW i share a

697
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,519
funny little. Story that's.

698
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:43,599
Speaker 2: All that's. Awesome, well all my best to, you and you,

699
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:46,519
know go and keep your eye out for more. Bats

700
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:48,800
i'm one of those guys who thinks they're super. CUTE

701
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,960
i just think bats are. AWESOME i want to put

702
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,199
a bad house in the back. Yard you. Know they

703
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,199
eat mosquitoes and they're kind of. Cool AND i know

704
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,239
down In austin once a year they the Bat, cruise

705
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,920
where they take this boat on a river and there's

706
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,159
a cave entrance and five squillion bats will fly out

707
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:10,679
at dusk and it's an. Event And i've always wanted

708
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,719
to see. That so you know what your dad, fears

709
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,199
we celebrate in, Nature. Coling, yeah that's.

710
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,199
Speaker 9: AWESOME i appreciate everything you, said and you keep up

711
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:22,480
the good.

712
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: Work appreciate you as. Well take. Care bats are awesome

713
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,119
AND i always am struck by how tiny they. Are

714
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:33,360
it was in an office once years ago and somebody

715
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,960
looked up on a hallway and there was a vat

716
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,440
and it was just sitting in the corner and obviously

717
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,360
it had gotten in by mistake or had come in

718
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:45,000
through a roof or a you, know creek crevice is

719
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,599
the Word i'm looking for in the. Roof and it

720
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:49,320
was just the cutest, Thing and of course you didn't

721
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,920
want it in there because it might get freaked out

722
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,559
and then hurt, somebody or someone would hurt. It so

723
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:56,920
we ended up trying to scoop it up into a

724
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,400
towel and then we took it out and.

725
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 4: Least.

726
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,199
Speaker 2: IT i don't even remember what happened after, that but

727
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,440
it was amazing AND i was, like bats are. AWESOME

728
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,360
i would love to have a bathouse in the. Yard

729
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,119
i'm still thinking about one last. Break hang, on we're

730
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:16,440
going to continue our conversation with you about whatever is

731
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:28,559
on your mind in just. Second thank you so much

732
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:33,079
for your support On. Patreon really big deal for. Me

733
00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:36,000
it's a, huge huge way to support WHAT i do

734
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:38,480
to keep me doing WHAT i, do And i'm so

735
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:46,920
thankful for. You patreon dot com Slash Seth. Andrews let's. See,

736
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,320
Sorry i'm glancing at the chat BECAUSE i am one

737
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,679
guy with a. Switchboard james is dialing in from eight

738
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,639
one to seven, High james going, on.

739
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 10: It's great to talk to. YOU i so appreciate your

740
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,880
show and your perspective on so many, things AND i

741
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,559
just wanted to call in and talk about how it's

742
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:16,719
so hard to just have any faith in the. Future

743
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,320
are like hope in the, future things have just gotten

744
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,400
so far off. Track i'm fifty six years. OLD i

745
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,800
live In. Texas me and my wife just celebrated our

746
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,960
thirty year. Anniversary we have two, children twenty two and.

747
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:36,440
SEVENTEEN i grew up in a small religious conservative town

748
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:45,519
In North texas and was very faithful in my attendance

749
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,480
of church WHEN i was growing. UP i, MEAN i

750
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:50,440
was taught all the things that we were all taught,

751
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,760
about how you, know treat others like you want to be,

752
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,199
treated love one, another nobody's better than anybody, else we're

753
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,079
all centers and all those. Things AND i, mean AND

754
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,920
i went about living my life in a very faithful.

755
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,880
Manner seeking out service Of. God and SO i started getting,

756
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,800
older AND i started realizing that that all those things

757
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,400
that those people told me were just they only meant

758
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,719
them for people like. US i, mean it wasn't meant for.

759
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,039
Everybody it was only for the people that were like.

760
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:23,239
Us and, SO i mean it made me really mad

761
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,039
for a, time AND i fell away from the, faith

762
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,840
AND i still haven't been a believer for quite some.

763
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,599
Time BUT i JUST i hate the way things are.

764
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,960
GOING i can't believe like those are the same people

765
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:41,440
now that have put our country into the position that were.

766
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,480
In it's Just i've watched people like my in. Laws

767
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:48,800
my father in law has been listening to the crazy

768
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,440
conservative talk radio for the past thirty years and he's

769
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,440
just completely. BRAINWASHED i, mean they watched they Consume Fox

770
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,800
news twenty four to seven at their, house and it's

771
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:05,480
just the continuous spew of outrage and getting people worked

772
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:10,199
up over. Things AND i just don't know how we

773
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,000
have any. Help my wife was over there last. Weekend

774
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,599
then my mother in law actually said to her that

775
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,599
she didn't believe any of the things that were going

776
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:20,400
on about people being rounded up out of their jobs

777
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,440
and their, workplaces that people were the only people are

778
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,480
being rounded up work or criminals and violent, offenders and

779
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:31,519
she was happy that that these people were being rounded

780
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:38,480
up and disappeared out of the. COUNTRY i see so

781
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:42,559
many bad things going on. Haven being the father of two,

782
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:46,920
Kids i've watched the school system In texas completely fall

783
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,760
apart because they'd like to privatize the school system and

784
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,559
make as much money off of it as they possibly.

785
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:58,440
Can so they're absolutely destroying our school. System AND i

786
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,960
JUST i feel like my, grandparents the people that raised

787
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,039
our parents, generation they understood that that the country you

788
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:10,360
had to give back to the. Country you owe so

789
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:12,760
much to the country because it gave so much to.

790
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,559
You we stand on the shoulders of, giants and so

791
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,800
we owe an obligation to the future. Generations and it

792
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,639
just feels like our parents, generation the, boomers they just

793
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,559
they took all the things that they were given to

794
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:28,840
them and they, said, oh, yeah this is all, mine

795
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,920
this is. Ours we did it by. Ourselves everything is,

796
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,360
ours and you, know too bad for the rest of.

797
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,679
You they pulled up the ladders behind them and that

798
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,679
they're absolutely destroying our, country and it's just so. Disheartening

799
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,440
it's so hard to find any hope and the way

800
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,239
things are, going especially when they don't even they say

801
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,400
they don't believe the, media but they do believe the,

802
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,719
media just the media that Like Fox, news that tells

803
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,559
them what they want to. HEAR i don't know how

804
00:50:56,599 --> 00:51:01,440
you get passed when people there's no true more to people, Leave.

805
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:06,199
Speaker 2: But you're articulating what a lot of people are. Thinking

806
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,679
WHAT i think is ironic is when The fox newsers

807
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,519
are decrying the main quote mainstream, media And i'm, like

808
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:17,280
you're listening to the most popular quote unquote news channel

809
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:23,000
on in The United states and you're decrying the mainstream.

810
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:26,159
Media if we're going by sheer, numbers you are watching

811
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:31,320
the most mainstream news network in the. COUNTRY i find that,

812
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,840
ironic BUT i share your. Despair you, know it's easy

813
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,920
to burn a house. Down you can do that in fifteen,

814
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,199
minutes and it will take you a year to rebuild,

815
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,639
it depending on the. House AND i feel, like you,

816
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:45,239
know will it take, decades WILL i see in my

817
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:51,039
lifetime the restoration of what has been burned, down or

818
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:54,000
will it be restored at? ALL i think you are

819
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,159
essentially echoing what everybody else is saying as. Well we

820
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,400
all share, that but it's important not to give. Up

821
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:04,599
i'd rather go down. Fighting i'd rather go down standing

822
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:07,079
on the side of. RIGHT i think it's good medicine

823
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:11,400
to continue to activist and to spread lights in this

824
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,400
world of, darkness if you'll forgive that the, Cliche, James

825
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,199
but that's kind of WHERE i.

826
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,559
Speaker 4: Fall it's.

827
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 10: HARD i, mean my wife is just working in a

828
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,400
consulting job because the last business that she worked at

829
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,280
completely fell. APART i, mean and she's been looking for

830
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,760
a job for quite some time, now and she's not

831
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,960
having any. Luck AND i think a lot of people

832
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,880
aren't having any. Luck it feels like if they were

833
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,079
going about trying to destroy the. COUNTRY i don't know

834
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:41,400
how you could tell the difference in what they're. Doing

835
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:45,280
they're completely destroying. Everything and when people are left without,

836
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,719
jobs without, money then we're at a point where it's

837
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,199
just so late that that it's going to be even

838
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,199
that much harder to try to dig out of the

839
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:56,679
hole that we're. In and people don't have. MONEY i

840
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,880
see people suffering every single, day and you don't see

841
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,480
these kind of things that on regular. MEDIA i think

842
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:08,480
it's an undercurrent that everybody talks about between, themselves but

843
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:10,920
it's not. Represented we're always caught up with the latest.

844
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:17,760
Scandal it's so. Ridiculous it's just, NonStop, crazy crazy thing

845
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,559
after crazy, thing and nobody. Tells everybody forgets about the

846
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:25,199
important things that we've already, lost like even. ABORTIONS i,

847
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:27,920
mean nobody's even up talking about that. Anymore but there's

848
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,760
women dying every day because they don't have access to

849
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,960
safe abortions because you can't keep up with the mess

850
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:34,320
that they've.

851
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:39,639
Speaker 2: Created you are absolutely spot on. Correct ALL i know

852
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,599
to do is to keep fighting and to keep trying

853
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:47,920
despite my monumental. Frustrations so don't give, Up.

854
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,199
Speaker 10: JAMES i thank you FOR i think you've forgiven everybody

855
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,239
a place to come and be together and know that

856
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:59,039
we're not alone and people share our same. Thoughts you're

857
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,840
blessing TO i, MEAN i don't mean that in a really.

858
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: GOTCHA i much. WELL i think you can bless be

859
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,760
a blessing to, people and it's not a supernatural. BLESSING

860
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:09,199
i buy.

861
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 5: That.

862
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:11,559
Speaker 2: James it's very kind of you to say thanks for,

863
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:15,159
calling thank, You i'll see you. LATER i don't get

864
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:18,159
hung up on that. Stuff it's like when somebody. Sneezes

865
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,440
i've seen some atheism whenever someone else's bless you and they're, like,

866
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:25,440
WELL i don't believe in. Blessings that's just a dickish

867
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:30,840
thing to. Do i'm it's just. Stupid or if somebody

868
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,840
says Thank, god it's you, know it slips out of. Me,

869
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,800
OCCASIONALLY i don't mean it like an Actual, god but you,

870
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,960
Know i'm expressing. Gratitude, yeah is that really what we're

871
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,079
going to get tripped up? On there's some people are

872
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:46,719
so pedanic they're almost impossible to talk. To john had

873
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,760
a good point about The satanic temple magnet or sticker

874
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:54,960
that we were talking about. Earlier to set the record,

875
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,519
Straight satanism is not devil. WORSHIP i would Say satanism

876
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:03,679
is not necessari devil. Worship that is What, Jews christians

877
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:08,280
And muslims intentionally get, wrong or they're just ignorant and

878
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,159
don't know the. Difference but there ARE i, mean The

879
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:15,760
Satanic temple is an atheistic. Organization satan is an icon

880
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:21,719
that represents the liberation from. Tyranny but there Are satanists

881
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,360
who actually believe in A satan and worship A. Satan you,

882
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,079
Know satanism is like a whole bunch of other. Religions

883
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:33,559
you'll find flavors of all, kinds but The Satanic temple

884
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:39,760
they don't believe In god or the. Devil eric it

885
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,480
four zero. Three thanks for, waiting you're? On are you?

886
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:45,679
Speaker 4: There, Yeah i'm.

887
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:48,519
Speaker 2: Here. Welcome let's. Talk what's on your? Mind?

888
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks thanks for having me. On i'm just curious

889
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,960
what your opinion was on Historical jesus versus a mythical.

890
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,800
ONE i know before you thought when you had your

891
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:01,719
you with Bart, erman you thought it was he was,

892
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,679
mythical and you argued for. It i'm just wondering if

893
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:05,480
it changed over the.

894
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 4: Year.

895
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,159
Speaker 2: NO i think WHAT i did WAS i ask him

896
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:12,960
how he knew there was a Historical. JESUS i haven't

897
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,800
really taken a. Position what bothered me WHEN i spoke

898
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,119
to Doctor ermine AND i appreciate his Work jesus interrupted

899
00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:21,679
as a great. Book there's a lot of his work

900
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,800
that is just absolutely stellar THAT i will lead with

901
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,760
often in. Conversations what bothered me WHEN i talked To

902
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,800
ermine was WHEN i, mentioned, well do we really know

903
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,679
that there was a Historical? Jesus he laughed at, me

904
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:41,800
and he laughs at mythicists like they're stupid and, deluded

905
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:45,320
and then he sort of plays this broad, card where

906
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,000
will all the experts agree anybody credible already agrees there

907
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:54,599
was a Historical. Jesus, well you, know MAYBE i can go.

908
00:56:54,679 --> 00:57:01,199
There we talk about evolutionary experts are reading that we

909
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,119
are all evolved in all life is, related blah blah.

910
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:06,880
Blah but the way it came off almost sounded like

911
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,920
an argument from, authority like if we don't, know we

912
00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:15,840
are pretty sure that there was A paul who wrote

913
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,559
thirteen books in The New. Testament BUT i don't even

914
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:23,920
think that that's not proven with a CAPITAL. P and

915
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,880
CERTAINLY i don't think we can prove the existence of The.

916
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,840
Apostles and while there may have been a charismatic guy

917
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,760
Named jesus that the mythology is based, ON i don't

918
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,920
think anybody has proven definitively that That jesus. Existed SO

919
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:46,440
i just don't know what's your, Position, uh.

920
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: Mine that there was a Historical jesus BECAUSE i was

921
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:51,679
kind of in the same boat as. You but since that,

922
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,360
interview Even i've read and listened to more subject about,

923
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,480
it material about, it And i'm JUST i don't. Know

924
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:00,440
i'm Pretty i'm on the side of burner about. It

925
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,719
i'm pretty convinced that there was, one just because of

926
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,519
the all the references And josephus and stuff like, that

927
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,519
and this other BOOK i was reading Called dominion By Tom,

928
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:13,840
holland and it's fairly detailed as, well And i'd recommend it,

929
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,880
honestly but not trying to plug it or. Anything it

930
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,320
was just a good one THAT i came across last.

931
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: Year the problem With josephus is The antiquities was seventy

932
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:29,039
years after the alleged crucifixion Of christ and one hundred

933
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:32,800
years after his, birth and, there AS i understand it

934
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,679
is some contention about whether or not a reference To,

935
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jesus which was JUST i think one line may have

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00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,480
been added as a kind of pocket gospel by somebody

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who was Not josiphus for political. Reasons SO i don't.

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KNOW i mean, is do we Take josephus and The

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00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:57,159
antiquities long decades after the events supposedly. Happened do we

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take that AS i witness? REPORTING i find that a

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little bit. Problematic what do you?

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Speaker 3: Think, uh, yeah for, SURE i get that. TOO i

943
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just don't like AS i haven't READ i haven't read

944
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any Of josephus's real. STUFF i just know through their

945
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,360
works that they. REFERENCE i think it is the one

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00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,679
LINE i can't remember what it, is so antiqularly.

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Speaker 2: Is of The.

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Speaker 3: Jews but, uh just how hm, hmm just how solid of? Evidence,

949
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,119
well the evidence and an argument that they. GIVE i

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00:59:29,159 --> 00:59:32,760
just find it very hard to push back and go

951
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,840
back to thinking that it was he didn't exist at

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00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:35,760
all kind of.

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Speaker 2: Thing, WELL i THINK i don't know is the right.

954
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:41,559
Answer but when you say, Evidence i'm super. Curious so

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00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:44,519
we've Got Joe cifas AROUND i think ninety c or

956
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:48,079
one HUNDRED. Ce beyond, that the evidence would be WHAT.

957
00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:53,039
Speaker 3: I, Guess, well then the letters Of, PAUL i, suppose

958
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:55,480
right that would mention, him even Though paul never met

959
00:59:55,599 --> 01:00:00,440
Him jesus. Personally, Either it's still that was only thirty

960
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:03,440
years or So paul was righting after his, death so

961
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,039
it wouldn't have been too far. FET i don't think.

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01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:09,079
Speaker 2: So he was referring to a character that he had

963
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:15,400
never met, personally but apparently the cultural echo of the

964
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,440
life of A christ was so strong that he assumed

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01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,480
it in his own writings.

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01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:25,039
Speaker 3: And LIKE i, Said i'm not because that stuff. Goes

967
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:26,880
i'll read it and THEN i could forget, it you,

968
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,519
know we kind of. Thing So i'm just trying to

969
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:31,960
remember back to. It BUT i remember being pretty well

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01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,880
wholly convinced about.

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01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: IT i don't, know but, yeah AND i think it's

972
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,719
an academic. Question it's. Interesting but as long AS i

973
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,079
know that The, superman the God, man you, know the

974
01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:48,719
Levitating jesus that you, know the Zombie jesus that you,

975
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,280
KNOW i know That jesus didn't, exist and then ONCE

976
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,039
i start, there the rest is kind of. ACADEMIC i

977
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:57,960
find it something we can talk about over, coffee BUT

978
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:03,360
i don't get too hung up on. It, okay, okay all, Right.

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:07,039
Speaker 3: Eric, yeah, NO i just LIKE i had to change

980
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:08,000
opinion on that.

981
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:10,599
Speaker 2: LINE i. Hadn't my opinion was ALWAYS i don't, know

982
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:12,639
and so, no my opinion is not.

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01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 3: Check, yeah that's the same. One thanks for taking my.

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01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:23,039
Speaker 2: Call all, Right thanks for. Calling appreciate. You, YEAH i don't.

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01:01:23,079 --> 01:01:25,760
KNOW i, mean do you care if there was an

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01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:32,400
ACTUAL i, mean if there was a dude that would

987
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:39,159
add a layer to the. Onion but you, KNOW i Think,

988
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:44,360
Carrier Dave fitzgerald and others say That christ is a

989
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:50,639
combination of other kind of cosmic. DEITIES i may be

990
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:55,079
saying this, incorrectly SO i beg your. Forgiveness but it

991
01:01:55,119 --> 01:02:01,480
was a genre god that had been injured into its own,

992
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:05,079
mythology and it was not based on any one human.

993
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:09,119
Being While Bart ermin and others say, that, well there

994
01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:12,920
almost certainly was a. Guy And ermine himself is an

995
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:18,280
atheist or an. Agnostic he doesn't believe That christianity is literally,

996
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,800
true but he does believe that there was a Literal.

997
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:26,639
Jesus oh that's ALL i. Got that's ALL i got

998
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,400
an honor to be able to spend time with.

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01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:33,679
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